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One of the most intriguing
photographers of the 20th century
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took her first known pictures here.
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Her photos weren't seen
in her lifetime.
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Most she didn't even print,
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but saw just once in her viewfinder
as she took them.
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It was 3,000 miles away in America
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that Vivian Maier spent her life.
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She worked as a nanny
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and every day she took pictures -
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150,000 of them.
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She was a poet of suburbia.
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A secret street photographer,
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before the term was really invented.
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The shadows of the America
of her time
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fall across Vivian Maier's
photographs.
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Just before she died,
four years ago,
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her life's work was discovered
by accident
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in storage lockers in Chicago.
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It proved a treasure trove
for the finders.
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People found it hard to believe
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that Mary Poppins with a camera
could have taken these pictures.
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It's a classic parable
of the artist, unsung in life.
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Van Gogh once said,
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"Stars are the souls of dead poets,
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"but to become a star,
you have to die."
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I was the manager of a movie theatre
here in Chicago.
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I noticed her, cos she was
kind of an odd bird and er...
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she came probably three or four times
a month
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for 13 years and she was also
the type of person
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I think you could potentially wonder
if she was a little crazy.
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I did notice her camera,
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but with her vintage clothing, I just
thought it was part of the costume.
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The rest of my staff at the theatre
thought she was mean.
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They would say, "Oh, I don't want
to deal with her.
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"Jim, can you go talk to her?"
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I never saw her come with anybody
and I never saw her talk to anybody.
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After the films, she would be leaving
at 11 or midnight
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and I would wonder
where she would go.
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Didn't seem homeless,
but she seemed close.
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She loved seeing a Buster Keaton film
with children in the room.
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They would be laughing
and the piano would be playing
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and it was just a really
magical moment.
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Did you know she was a nanny?
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No idea.
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To be honest with you,
I was a little afraid to...
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try to know too much about her.
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Now, I sort of regret
not prying a little bit
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and finding out about her life,
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it seems so interesting
in retrospect.
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And I was just a little bit afraid to
get deep with this woman, you know.
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This is Inger Raymond,
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one of Vivian Maier's charges.
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Vivian took hundreds
of photographs of Inger,
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almost all of which
she's never seen before.
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Many were taken on this beach.
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If Miss Maier was out here,
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she would wait until one of the kids
was crawling
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right between that little
ice cave hole.
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That was where she would take
a picture.
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When the printer was printing this...
Mmm.
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..he didn't realise someone was
hiding inside of the cupboard.
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Really? Oh, my God!
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All of a sudden, he saw this,
this eyeball.
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It makes a very eerie look,
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but I know what it is, it's one
of those large sewer pipes.
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I love that image because
it is so dramatic, it's stark,
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it's er...film noir, almost.
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If you look at it closely,
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there is a cross right on the face,
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right on my face, and it's this
almost caged-animal look with cross.
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It's very interesting.
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When she took her photos, she would
be completely and utterly focused.
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I mean, it was just, you know,
instant, you know, absolute,
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erm...concentration...
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..that it would be done.
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I think even if she was here,
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she couldn't explain her photography
to us
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because she didn't like talking
about her photography
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and most of the people who knew her,
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and there are very few people
who knew her,
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she never talked
about her photography.
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So everything that we can learn about
her is going to come from pictures,
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because they show us what she liked,
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what she disliked,
what she was drawn to.
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We really are just left
with the images.
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Vivian Maier used to haunt
this market
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with a movie camera
as well as her stills camera.
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"Stare, pry, listen, eavesdrop,
die knowing something,
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"you're not here long."
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The flea market is a shadow
of its former self,
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but still the happy hunting ground
of pickers, treasure hunters.
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And pickers love old photos
and postcards.
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Oh, man, you get the trucker photos,
I get the racing photos.
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Vivian Maier's work was brought
to light
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by people just like those
she used to photograph.
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What do you think?
I just got here this morning.
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Ron Slattery was the first to buy
Vivian's work at auction in 2007.
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The Chicago stuff's great.
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Postcards?
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Yeah, these are old postcards.
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Roger Gunderson was the auctioneer
who sold it to him.
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Oh, there you go. That's nice.
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There's Lake Street with the...
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That's pretty cool, isn't it?
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Vivian Maier had no home of her own,
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so she kept her life's work
in storage lockers.
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But in her old age, she was
no longer able to pay the rent,
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so the contents of the lockers
were sold.
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What would she have paid
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to keep that stuff in storage
over the years?
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Thousands of dollars,
I would imagine.
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Is, isn't that sort of tragic,
in a way,
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that she puts all her
life's work into storage
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and she's paying out
these huge sums of money for it
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and then she loses it all?
And, and it all goes away, yeah.
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When her lockers were
put up for sale,
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half a dozen dealers turned up.
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All they saw were old suitcases
and boxes.
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They'd open the door and you'd
bid from the doorway, you'd look,
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you couldn't touch,
what you see is what you get.
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And it was always a big gamble.
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You might end up with something
worth nothing
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or you might end up with something
worth millions,
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which, as it happens...
It happens.
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Roger bought five lockers
full of Vivian Maier's stuff.
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It filled one and a half trucks,
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unloaded here in this auction room.
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'Had I known that this thing was
going to get as big as it had,
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'I would have saved every crumb
of paper I had.'
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And these are the trucks
that you put all Vivian's stuff in?
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Yes, this one right here.
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'But we threw some away, personal
writings and things like that,
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'some of that stuff that,
hindsight being 20/20,
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had we known, we
would have kept it.'
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But we, we sold it, we turned it,
we made money - deal.
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The Vivian Maier phenomenon
had begun.
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Now, New York galleries sell new
prints, often made from negatives
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that Vivian never even developed,
for upwards of 2,000.
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Vintage prints made in Vivian's
lifetime go for 8,000.
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It's a complete accident that
the world has stumbled on her work.
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It could very easily have been destroyed
without anyone knowing about it.
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Vivian Maier, unlike any other
photographer I can think of,
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made her work entirely for herself.
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She had no audience,
she knew no other photographers,
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she didn't really print her work,
except in the most rudimentary form.
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She didn't exhibit her work
or publish her work.
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It was a project entirely
self-motivated,
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entirely self-fulfilling
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and this creates a certain freedom,
a certain independence.
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It's her own personal voice.
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Vivian Maier worked in a variety
of genres -
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she took street photography,
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wandering around the streets
of Chicago and New York,
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indigene people on the street,
because they're on the street
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and just marvellously
expressive moment.
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She does wonderful portraits
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that are of distinctive characters
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that she is able to capture
in a moment,
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everything is moving very, very fast.
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She would definitely be very close
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in order to capture the way his hair
is stuck to his forehead
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and this anxious expression.
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She's very much like a poet
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who's trying to just observe
very carefully,
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for personal reasons -
to look at the world
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and locate what's important to her,
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what interests her,
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capture it in a photograph.
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It's exceedingly personal.
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There is humour in her work.
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This is a picture
of one of the children
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that Vivian Maier took care of.
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She photographed while she was
working, moonlighting on the job.
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Some of those remain
in the...realm of snapshots.
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But many of them transcend
that genre
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and become more observations
about children, about family,
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about the suburbs...
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Youth confronting age.
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Who's going to have the time and the
space to be in somebody's backyard,
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taking that kind of picture?
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A nanny would, you know,
who's also a great photographer.
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I mean, all her self-portraits
intrigue me, cos er...
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..you know, they're her
and she intrigues me.
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She was interested in seeing
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how she fit into the world.
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We believe that she never fully
realised her work,
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so we are helping her to realise it,
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by printing it in a certain way,
by editing it in a certain way,
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picking the pictures
that have meaning to us,
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erm... You know, it's,
it is what it is.
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It's a very unique case.
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Ron Slattery owns about 2,000
of Vivian's prints and negatives,
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which he is NOT selling.
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Let's start with this one.
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'Would you tell us
what you paid for them?'
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250.
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And away we go.
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'For how many photographs?
'My whole collection.'
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For the same sum,
the auctioneer got all five lockers.
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'Did you make a lot of money
out of it?'
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Somewhere between 15,000 and 20,000.
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Do you wish on some days,
when you wake up in the morning,
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that you'd actually kept it all?
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Well, hindsight being 20/20, sure.
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That's one of my favourites.
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'But when we first started
selling this, nobody knew,'
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even the people buying
I don't think knew.
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Did you see the photos
before you bought them?
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Nah, I just kind of looked it was like,
"Oh, neato - photos," and bought them.
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'At the time, I was buying so many
photographs.
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'That is, putting them into
boxes and putting them into storage,
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'much the same way Vivian did.'
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That's Vivian Maier.
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A very unique self-portrait.
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Vivian never saw anything
like the beautiful large prints
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that are being made today.
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When she saw prints at all, they
were usually small ones like these,
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supplied by the drugstore
or made by her in her lodgings.
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Ron's collection would be dwarfed
by others.
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There was a gentleman named Randy
who bought some.
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One man, John Maloof, left an
absentee bid on a box of negatives,
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just a little bit of everybody,
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so that's kind of where her work
kind of went "Whoop!"
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When I went through some boxes
in 2008,
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I pulled out the slides
and went, "Wow, these are cool,"
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posted some on my website.
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John starts making prints
from Vivian's negatives
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and selling them on eBay.
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Alan Secular, who's an art professor
in California,
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contacted John and said,
"This is very important."
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At this point was where he went,
"Ding! OK."
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He started collecting
as much of the work as he could.
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So Vivian's pictures were starting
to appear online,
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but who was making the selection?
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It worries some people.
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I'll be the first to honour
the quality of the work,
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but, at the same time, I'm concerned,
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because we're only seeing pictures
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that the people who bought
the suitcases decided to edit
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and, and what kind of editors
are they?
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What would she have edited
out of this work
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and what would she have printed?
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How do any of us know
who the real Vivian Maier is?
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So you were telling the world
about Vivian -
245
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did you ever think to seek out
Vivian yourself?
246
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John and I both googled up Vivian.
247
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And we're searching for her,
we could find no information.
248
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The first thing that popped up was
her obituary after she passed away.
249
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John Maloof now owns
the lion's share of Vivian's work.
250
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He declined to take part in this
film, because he's making his own.
251
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The second biggest owner is now Jeff
Goldstein, an artist and carpenter.
252
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You've changed your entire life,
Jeff -
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you've given up your vocation
254
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and now you're just in the Vivian
Maier business. Right.
255
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And you're not the only one
in this genre, of course,
256
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there's John Maloof.
What does that make you feel?
257
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Well, we spend half of our time
trying to push our projects forward
258
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and I think we spend the other half
259
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trying not to look like public
assholes.
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We're under global scrutiny.
261
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Her house is right around the corner
up here.
262
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And this is a pretty tough
neighbourhood to be.
263
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There was a fair amount
of drug activity,
264
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a fair amount of crime takes place.
265
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So this was her,
her last residence here.
266
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That's the door? Yeah.
267
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Did she photograph a lot
around this area?
268
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She did, along this stretch
of Howard Street -
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there's a beautiful shot
coming off the bridge,
270
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looking down in fact this way,
the train tracks.
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She fell and hit her head
actually right by those tracks.
272
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Really?
273
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And she was taken to a local
hospital, resisted help
274
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and they thought she would recover,
275
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but, apparently, that was not
the case.
276
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So during that period when the
storage locker sales were happening,
277
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she was in hospital,
recovering from this accident?
278
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That's my understanding.
279
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Yeah, I really came into this
about a year later,
280
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which, in some ways, is nice for me.
281
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How do you mean by that?
282
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She went into arrears,
her lockers came up...
283
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I'm thankful to be one step removed
from all of that.
284
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Jeff bought the bulk
of his collection from Randy Prow,
285
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who'd bought it at Roger's auctions.
286
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When these transactions take place,
287
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it's not for the faint of heart,
288
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it's not a standard art acquisition.
289
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People are on their guard.
290
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How did you get hold of these
pictures?
291
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I initially went down to where Randy
Prow lives, in Southern Indiana,
292
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it's a good eight-hour drive
from Chicago.
293
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And I brought along someone with me,
a retired fireman, Chicago fireman,
294
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er...pretty burly, good-size guy
295
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,080
and I met up with Randy,
who I had never, hadn't met before,
296
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in an abandoned warehouse
in a run-down section in this town.
297
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Randy had somebody with HIM
for backup,
298
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so we both came into this
being pretty leery of one another.
299
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Randy's guy was much bigger
than my guy.
300
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You carried the money with you?
Yeah.
301
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It looked like I had a vest
with bricks attached to it,
302
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so like, the type they wear
in the army for protection, I guess.
303
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Later, Randy was ready to sell
even more of Vivian's work.
304
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More and more people
were hearing about it,
305
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,520
so the last purchase price
was astronomical.
306
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It was something
I couldn't handle alone,
307
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and so John Maloof and I
got together
308
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to make the last purchase
from Randy Prow.
309
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I went down with John
and his friend Tony -
310
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I had my friend Rick,
who was an off-duty Chicago cop.
311
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Rick comes armed, and Randy
brought his brother, who came armed.
312
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There was a great deal of intensity
in that room,
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cos you, you just don't know
what may or may not happen.
314
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I was sweating some bullets in there.
315
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No pun intended.
316
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So who was this elusive woman
317
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who took these thousands
of photographs...
318
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..often full of tenderness,
like a parent's,
319
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but always from the outside?
320
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All these were taken
in the '50s and '60s
321
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when she was working as a nanny
in the suburbs north of Chicago.
322
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She worked in several houses,
323
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but for by far the longest time
324
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with a family called the Ginsbergs.
325
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Vivian's family,
326
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they were very much a hub
of that neighbourhood
327
00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:13,880
and I think she probably
enjoyed it...
328
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:22,440
..enjoyed the erm...the energy
that flowed from their family.
329
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It was a prosperous community,
330
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probably predominantly Jewish.
331
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It was really a neighbourhood
in a very old-fashioned way.
332
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We ice-skated, we went to the beach.
333
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She rode a bicycle -
334
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we all rode bicycles, children,
335
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but...but grown-ups seldom did.
336
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And she always had her camera.
337
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I remember Vivian taking photographs
of the kids
338
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as they were just lounging around
339
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and being surprised
that there was no eye contact,
340
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she was just into her viewfinder.
341
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:18,040
And...it was fascinating...
342
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to see somebody who was er...
343
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part of the group,
344
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but also had found a way to...to
wall herself off from it.
345
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Her favourite camera
helped with this.
346
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This is the same model as her first
Rolleiflex, this opens...
347
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,840
'Artist and lecturer Pamela Bannos
showed us how.
348
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:50,320
'She's been researching Vivian's
life work and tools.'
349
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So we look through this viewfinder.
350
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You can see how difficult that
is to see, to get accustomed to.
351
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She looked straight down... Yeah.
..and out.
352
00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:59,480
So this is a twin-lens camera,
353
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you're actually looking
through this upper lens
354
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,040
and the photograph is being made
through the lower lens.
355
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,000
One thumb would turn this dial,
356
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,000
the other thumb would turn
this dial,
357
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,280
we press that button and we've made
the picture. Down in there to look...
358
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,120
'To look down in a camera
359
00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:16,440
'means you're not making eye contact
with people,'
360
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,040
and for a woman photographer,
361
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,560
it was a good disguise,
362
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,520
because, to be out on the streets,
363
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,080
you had to have
the personality for it,
364
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:35,880
but you also needed a tool
that allowed you to stay invisible.
365
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,440
And she looked like a schoolmarm,
366
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,800
she looked innocent -
367
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:47,040
it allowed her to get into
the living space of lots of people.
368
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,240
When I look back at
all the pictures,
369
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,400
she was clearly focusing in
370
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,280
on the relationship of children
and their parents.
371
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,680
Some of it was very sweet,
372
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:13,800
but some of it was...I think
maybe judgemental.
373
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It may also have been
374
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:23,000
that she was noticing something
about that community,
375
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:29,080
some kind of...edginess
and picking up on it.
376
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:39,240
The camera presented this magical
transition for her
377
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:44,200
that allowed her to see people
and to get places
378
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,360
without being...caught doing it,
379
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:52,960
and people allowed it
because she wasn't there.
380
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,320
She was just in the viewfinder.
381
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:04,160
In order to live in someone else's
family and care for their kids,
382
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:09,160
you have to be both present
and absent at the same time.
383
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,000
And she knew how to achieve
that kind of balance
384
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,800
and she carried it out,
it seems to me,
385
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,720
in her work on the street too -
she's definitely non-threatening.
386
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:29,040
Her eye was so excellent
for catching
387
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:35,120
not just the character
of the people she was photographing,
388
00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:40,560
but also the moment in history.
389
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:48,280
She got Chicago in the '50s and
early '60s in a very precise way,
390
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:54,880
she got the things that...that
made it that moment.
391
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,320
There was always a degree
of separation
392
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,640
between Vivian and everyone else.
393
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,520
She was clearly a recluse.
394
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,640
The south here was er...my dad's
dental office
395
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:22,360
and upstairs was a room that Dad
had given to Miss Maier to stay.
396
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:26,080
She actually completely
filled the room with newspapers
397
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,760
and pictures and stuff,
398
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,080
so much that my dad had to put
a steel jack underneath
399
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,520
to hold the floor up
400
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,960
and he couldn't figure out
why the ceiling was sagging.
401
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,800
She did hoard things
402
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,800
and she brought a lot of possessions
into the house.
403
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,280
Her bedroom, initially,
was very simple
404
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,600
and, in no short order,
405
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,960
she ended up bringing in
all her possessions -
406
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:56,520
boxes, newspapers, er...lots
of clothes,
407
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,120
lots of different items,
408
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:03,767
and it got to the point where
this sparsely populated room
409
00:29:03,768 --> 00:29:06,120
was unbelievably crowded
410
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:10,400
and, in fact, you had to almost
narrow your way in
411
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,640
on the occasions that she,
you know, she'd let you in,
412
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,880
because she was very, very private.
413
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,880
It was really, really strange to see
so many pictures of myself.
414
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,360
I saw a few pictures
when I was very little...
415
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,760
..but after that, no, I mean,
she, she kept them all to herself,
416
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,240
so no, I had no clue.
417
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,080
My mom was a photography editor
for newspapers,
418
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,520
she worked with a lot
of photographers,
419
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:47,360
but Miss Maier never, ever
showed her any of the photos,
420
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,720
so it was kind of unusual that way.
421
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,840
I always called her Miss Maier
422
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,160
and that was what she wanted me
to call her,
423
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,480
or my parents. Never Vivian,
424
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:07,640
and she would take your head off
if you used anything else.
425
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,520
Sometimes she would hand
her box camera to me
426
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,800
and she wanted me to take
a picture of herself.
427
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,640
And I think you took that picture.
428
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,800
Let's see, half her head cut off
and... Yeah, that would be me.
429
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,840
'She wanted that focus
of that camera'
430
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,040
just so. And she'd be frustrated
431
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:29,080
because she didn't think I could get
it to the point where she wanted it.
432
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,760
She told me about the importance of
the contrast between dark and light.
433
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:45,720
When we'd go on our walks,
434
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,920
she'd take me all over the place.
435
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,920
After she got done the supper,
she would leave,
436
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,840
and she would walk
to this train station
437
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,760
headed towards Chicago area.
438
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,600
That's all we knew.
I never heard where she went.
439
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,120
She never told anybody...
440
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,840
..and she would be very angry
if we asked.
441
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,840
Whenever she could,
Vivian would take the train
442
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,200
from the northern suburbs, where
she worked, to downtown Chicago.
443
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,360
TRAIN TANNOY: Doors closing.
444
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,880
The pictures that we're looking
at were all taken
445
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,720
within just a few blocks of here.
446
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,800
The man sitting
by an old subway station
447
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,840
probably would have been taken right
here. He was kind of panhandling.
448
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,240
It was such a contrast to the life
that she was leading in the suburbs.
449
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,640
She was looking for people.
450
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,440
The best way to capture
the energy of a city
451
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,720
and to understand the city
is on the streets.
452
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,520
She wasn't on a tour bus,
she wasn't from afar,
453
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,160
she was down at street level.
454
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,440
Some of them aren't quite down
and out, are they?
455
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:57,360
Some of them are elderly people who
are rather ornate in their own way.
456
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,440
It's funny because, as you
look at these different pictures,
457
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,560
so many were taken on this corner.
458
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,160
The Marshall Field's clocks
were kind of a meeting place -
459
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,640
people would say, "Meet me
under the Marshall Field's clock."
460
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,160
"The camera is
an instrument of detection.
461
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,240
"We photograph not only what we know,
but also what we don't know."
462
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,440
We're going on to the South Side
to meet Sara Paretsky,
463
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,880
a detective writer whose heroine
also walked these mean streets.
464
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,240
The danger that this area,
wandering around here - I mean,
465
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,480
how do you see that mystery woman
side of Vivian?
466
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,200
My sense of her was
that she didn't think about it,
467
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,760
that she was so focused on her quest
468
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:11,000
that she didn't think about
whether she was personally at risk.
469
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:20,480
I think she had an intense
interest in people who, in some ways,
470
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,200
were like her, and were on the
margins
471
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,000
of the more glittery world
472
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,320
that she worked for
but wasn't part of.
473
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,920
I think it can be reassuring
474
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,280
to know that you're not alone
475
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:40,520
in that kind of outsider world.
476
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,560
And also, you know,
she worked hard for a living
477
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,640
and these are people who worked hard
for a living.
478
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,760
I also get a sense of...
479
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:55,840
a kind of a loneliness or anomie
that is, is really painful,
480
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,480
and I wonder if she selected
those shots
481
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,520
out of her own sense of loneliness.
482
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,240
She must have felt
483
00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:07,720
that there was something
about her that was rootless,
484
00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:10,040
that wasn't weighted down, and that
485
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,920
as many images as she could take
somehow gave her weight.
486
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,480
Photography can be kind of a lonely
profession,
487
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,040
and it's something that one actually
488
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,240
has a lot of alone-time with.
489
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,560
That's probably part of her success,
490
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,560
she had a lot of alone-time.
491
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,520
This is how she managed
to do what she did.
492
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:47,280
She actually was the personification
of finding art.
493
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,320
She walked into a picture,
she saw it happening,
494
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,360
she took a picture and she left.
495
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,200
Camera shop staff like Pat
were among the few
496
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,000
who ever got to see
any of Vivian's pictures.
497
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,600
She mostly showed me street scenes,
498
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,160
sometimes some pretty
bad neighbourhoods.
499
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,840
This woman was going on foot.
500
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,680
I'm also surprised that she just
emerged unscathed.
501
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,600
She would have been prey to someone
502
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,080
who would have wanted the camera
or something.
503
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,680
I've been here since I was 14
504
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,880
and I can remember her
sort of coming in
505
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,840
as early as that. And...it didn't
matter the weather outside,
506
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,360
but mainly, it was late
in the afternoons.
507
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:39,200
Yeah, she wore heavy er...shit-kicker
shoes,
508
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,680
long skirts, dark clothing,
wintertime heavy coats,
509
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:43,880
lots of scarves.
510
00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:49,040
She treated people as people
and whether she liked people,
511
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,760
that was another story that day
or she didn't like people that day.
512
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,520
And she did not like women
who were trying to act like women.
513
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,800
If you had make-up on, I think
she basically would cut you off.
514
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,840
Men - aggressive or too many
questions.
515
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,320
"Goodbye - could someone else
take care of me?"
516
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,760
I mean, she was right to the point.
517
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,840
Sometimes, very rarely, she would
open up the roll, to decide...
518
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,920
She'd say, "Come here," and you know,
"You can look at them with me."
519
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,400
But not too often,
mainly it was private.
520
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,320
I don't honestly remember
the pictures,
521
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,560
just that it was black and white
and it was people things.
522
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,400
With a Rolleiflex,
she had just 12 shots
523
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,480
and then had to reload the film -
524
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,400
not easy in the open air.
525
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,240
She shot about a roll of film a day.
526
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:56,360
She spent virtually all her earnings
on film, equipment and storage.
527
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,080
Unlike most photographers,
528
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,240
Vivian tended to take just one shot
and move on.
529
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:05,880
Her hit rate was phenomenal.
530
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:13,480
This is a roll of film, the order
in which they were taken.
531
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:18,160
It's kids getting on a bus
in the morning for school.
532
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:19,960
She drops them off,
533
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,040
and then she heads downtown
and she starts photographing.
534
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,520
You really get this sense of a day
in the life or of a diary here,
535
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,400
and you can see how she moves
through the street.
536
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,600
If you put it all in a row
537
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,360
you would see one woman's life
538
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,040
unfolding on film in this way -
539
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:42,640
you'd have an unbroken string
of images of what she saw,
540
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,480
of what her experiences were.
541
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,880
This is what her big project was,
it was her life.
542
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,960
It was experiencing life
through photography.
543
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,160
She'll come upon somebody
544
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:05,600
who seems to be either in crisis
or contemplating something,
545
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,840
people who seemed to be kind of lost
in, in a world of deep thought...
546
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,800
..and she was able to capture
this image
547
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,160
and this is really a portrait,
it's a portrait of a person,
548
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,800
it's not just a shot of a random
person walking down the street,
549
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,440
she's captured a real,
raw emotion here.
550
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,760
As interested as she was
in other people,
551
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,120
she gave away very little
about herself.
552
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:39,040
My father hired her in part because
she had a European background,
553
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,160
which my father did as well.
554
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,000
Oftentimes, around the dinner
table, for example,
555
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,600
they would speak in French.
556
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,080
Vivian was a rather
opinionated woman.
557
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,080
She had political leanings
558
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,560
that I think were more on the left
and feminist,
559
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,800
but I would say that, wholly apart
from her political opinions
560
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,720
is perhaps the way that she carried
them off.
561
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:08,160
She was an extremely
abrasive person,
562
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,040
and often times it was pretty much
in your face. And that was Vivian.
563
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,640
When people tried to elicit
information about her,
564
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,480
she would quickly change the topic.
565
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,920
In terms of her upbringing
and background,
566
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,920
there was nothing that I ever
really...got to know.
567
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:31,040
She was creating a play for children
in the backyard
568
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,720
and she would assign roles
to all the children.
569
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,360
They said, "Well, what role
are you going to play?"
570
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,240
And she just looked around and said,
"I'll be the mystery woman."
571
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,920
There were times when the parents
would ask her,
572
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:51,040
"So you lived in France, was
that during the Occupation?"
573
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,600
And she'd respond, "Maybe."
574
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:58,280
So she really enjoyed
having this air of mystery.
575
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,720
And I think the mystery
is still there.
576
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,920
In just the area of Chicago
where Vivian lived,
577
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,720
Pamela Bannos is doing
forensic research
578
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:13,240
on what she calls Vivian Maier's
fractured archive.
579
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:16,200
Split between the different owners.
580
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,360
These are ones that Vivian chose.
581
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:19,840
That she chose to save.
582
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,480
She's also digging deep
into Vivian's mysterious past.
583
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,440
..Hold in her hand and look at...
584
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,400
I see Vivian Maier as a woman
585
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,800
who is the product of the legacy
of the French women before her.
586
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,240
She is the daughter of a woman
587
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:39,000
who was the daughter of another woman
588
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,400
who were all live-in servants
in New York.
589
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,560
She is also today somebody else
entirely,
590
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:52,040
who I think has been invented by
people who love a good story, maybe.
591
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,320
THEY CHUCKLE
592
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,800
Her grandmother, Eugenie Jaussaud,
593
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,920
had a child out of wedlock
at the age of 16.
594
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:06,000
She left the Champsaur Valley,
of France, sort of a shamed woman.
595
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,200
She arrives in New York in 1901,
596
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,160
leaving her baby behind,
597
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,120
and then essentially becomes
a live-in cook
598
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:17,880
for the rest of her life.
599
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,800
So Vivian's grandmother Eugenie
600
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,840
leaves her illegitimate daughter
behind in France
601
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,040
to become a cook -
and then what happens?
602
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:31,120
In 1914, her daughter, Maria
Jaussaud, arrives in Manhattan,
603
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,680
travelling with an American woman,
as her private maid.
604
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,400
She's in New York,
never having seen her mother.
605
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,880
In 1919, Vivian's mother
married her father,
606
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,360
an Austrian-Hungarian,
Charles Maier.
607
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,240
And on her marriage certificate,
608
00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:54,960
she changes her parents' names
609
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,520
to make it look as though
she's legitimate.
610
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,120
She corrects the family history,
611
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,680
so she sort of invents herself
at this point, at least on paper.
612
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,120
This Vivian Maier story is filled
with intrigue and secrecy
613
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,840
and deception and privacy,
614
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,120
which I think is a theme
that goes throughout.
615
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,800
Vivian told people
she was born in France,
616
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:19,960
but in fact
617
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,800
she was born in Manhattan in 1926.
618
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,400
Aged four, Vivian was living
in St Mary's Street, in the Bronx,
619
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:34,160
with her mother, but without
her father or her elder brother.
620
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:35,880
But, there's a woman
living with them
621
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,040
from a neighbouring village
in France -
622
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,280
a studio photographer,
Jeanne Bertrand.
623
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,160
Maybe she had some influence
on Vivian, the photographer to be.
624
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,720
Jeanne Bertrand had had
an illegitimate child
625
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:52,920
whom she'd given up to adoption,
626
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,680
and she'd since had
a mental breakdown.
627
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,200
We have these French women
with no families,
628
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,560
we have babies with no fathers,
629
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:07,840
we have this connection of women
who are displaced,
630
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,920
who then end up living
with other families
631
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,640
or give their children to other
families or give their children up.
632
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,840
Vivian Maier appears to have had
very few personal relationships.
633
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,520
She certainly never got married,
634
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,960
we don't know of any,
any other relationship.
635
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,800
So that would suggest
this displacement
636
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,360
comes from the circumstances. Yes.
637
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,120
In 1932, Pamela finds
Vivian's mother,
638
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,760
using the Swiss Benevolent Society,
home for single women,
639
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,960
as her address in an advert
she places in the paper
640
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,240
for a job as a chambermaid.
641
00:44:53,240 --> 00:44:56,200
She's now calling herself
Mademoiselle Jaussaud.
642
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,760
Within months, she gives up
643
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,760
and they go to France for six years.
644
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,720
Vivian was to live in her mother
and grandmother's village in France
645
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:15,840
from the age of six to 12.
646
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,600
She was seen as something
of an outsider.
647
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:28,000
Later, Vivian was to take
thousands of photographs here.
648
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,040
WOMAN SPEAKS IN FRENCH
649
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,880
TRANSLATION: She captured my attention
because she made my imagination work.
650
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:40,200
She came from America.
651
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:47,960
It's El Dorado, especially
for a little girl of ten.
652
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,680
For me, she was an extra-terrestrial
653
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,360
who had arrived
from the United States.
654
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,920
She had a turned-up nose
655
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,840
and a runny nose.
656
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:07,400
The flat where they stayed was not
very comfortable, or very warm.
657
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,480
MAN SPEAKS IN FRENCH
658
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,080
TRANSLATION: She didn't think
like us at all.
659
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:19,240
I remember one day, we noticed some
chickens scratching in a farmyard.
660
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:23,600
She was disgusted, and decided
never to eat eggs again.
661
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:31,120
All the boys in the village were
very pleased to be in her company.
662
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,680
She was a bit reserved.
663
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:40,360
I'd often see her in the village
square playing Marelle,
664
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,840
a game where you draw squares -
665
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,960
there's hell and heaven, paradise,
666
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,680
and you jump by throwing a stone.
667
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,880
I remember she threw it a long way.
668
00:46:57,240 --> 00:46:59,160
We were all looking at her knickers.
669
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,840
SHE CHUCKLES
670
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,000
TRANSLATION: That's my mother,
my mother!
671
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:13,120
In the shop,
672
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,520
we had a cake shop...
673
00:47:17,240 --> 00:47:19,880
It's good, this photo.
I'd like to have it.
674
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,000
Usually, she was preoccupied,
675
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,800
there was so much work,
676
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,360
but here, she looks calm.
677
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:40,800
TRANSLATION: All that is very,
very long ago.
678
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,240
After 12 more years in New York,
679
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:52,640
a 24-year-old Vivian
visited the village again.
680
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,960
It was soon after
the Second World War.
681
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,120
How she learned to use a camera
remains a mystery,
682
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:04,920
but she knew what she was doing.
683
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,360
These are her first known pictures,
684
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,520
previously dismissed as snapshots.
685
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,760
When I started looking
through these pictures,
686
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,000
I started wondering which photographs
these people were talking about,
687
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,480
because what I was seeing
was extremely different.
688
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,480
This is not a child working
with an innocent machine,
689
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,040
this is a woman who knows
how to work a camera.
690
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,480
This is the box camera,
the humble snapshot camera.
691
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,960
Literally, it has one, one shutter
speed, and no other adjustment.
692
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,520
And the suggestion is that this is
what she used in, in France. Right.
693
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,080
But she wasn't, in fact
she might have been using a camera
694
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:42,680
not dissimilar to this. Correct.
695
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,160
This particular camera
is probably from the 1940s.
696
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:50,080
You can focus it, you can
adjust the shutter speeds,
697
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:51,600
you can adjust the apertures,
698
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,240
you could fold it down
699
00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:55,440
and it collapses into itself.
700
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,600
This could also be considered
a traveller's camera.
701
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:06,280
She was developing the skills
that would become her hallmark.
702
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,080
Right early on,
703
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:19,920
you see her observe a character
sitting on a stoop or something
704
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,120
in a public space,
and she works around him.
705
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:30,600
She followed her inner line
of curiosity,
706
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:36,960
and it's that that establishes
an artistic tendency,
707
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,880
cos the amateur doesn't do that.
708
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,120
Vivian was in France to sort out
the sale of a farm
709
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:47,680
that belonged to her great-aunt,
who'd died during the war.
710
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,560
It was called Beauregard,
"beautiful view".
711
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,720
Her grandfather lived nearby.
712
00:49:56,720 --> 00:50:01,000
He was poor, teased by the village
boys, almost an outcast.
713
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:06,000
It was a horrible echo of what would
happen to Vivian herself
714
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:10,480
and to her mother, who would end
up in a seedy hotel in New York.
715
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,040
Nelly lived next door.
716
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:15,280
SHE SPEAKS IN FRENCH
717
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:16,600
TRANSLATION: It's me there,
718
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,840
like two sisters.
719
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,400
Wherever I went, she'd come with me.
720
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:26,360
What everybody said was,
they all thought she was a spy,
721
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,160
because she took photographs
all over the place.
722
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,560
My parents and I never thought
anything like that.
723
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:41,280
Look at her there, she's beautiful,
it looks just like her.
724
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:45,320
She was refined, and sincere
above all.
725
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,440
That's what I remember about her.
726
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:55,280
On Sundays, we'd all go to dances,
but she didn't go to dances.
727
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,600
SHE CLEARS HER THROAT
728
00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:06,320
And she never married,
she never made a life for herself.
729
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:10,480
Yet she's a pretty woman.
730
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,600
This morning,
you've brought me something
731
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,200
which has made me very happy -
to see her again.
732
00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:23,920
It was a joy.
733
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,600
Vivian roamed the area, taking
views of mountains and monuments.
734
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,400
She was, it seems, making postcards
735
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,360
through the camera shop
in the village,
736
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,040
so maybe, at this point,
737
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,200
she was hoping to make photography
into a career.
738
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,960
The spy story grew -
739
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,360
and the idea that she had a gun to
defend herself.
740
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,560
A woman wandering alone is the stuff
from which myths are made.
741
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,800
In the nearby town of Gap
742
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,560
she photographed a Communist Party
rally,
743
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:11,040
and she was always seeking out
people living on the edge.
744
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,600
In the spring of 1951,
745
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,880
she heads back across the ocean
to New York.
746
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,520
It's as though Vivian
was seeing the city
747
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,840
in which she'd spent most
of her life for the first time.
748
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,880
'She's 26 years old
when she's doing this -
749
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,480
'hopeful years, when you have
your life ahead of you.
750
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,200
'She's learned everything so fast,
she's learned how to look
751
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,480
'and she's going to places
that are new.
752
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,640
'We're actually walking
in her footsteps.
753
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,520
'It feels sort of uncanny
to look through the camera
754
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:00,920
'and see the same things.'
755
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,600
And then, I guarantee you she shoots
the East River right here.
756
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,440
This is obviously something
that we can catch better on foot
757
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:12,800
than, than in a car.
758
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,200
She goes to these heights
759
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:23,880
and creates these vistas.
760
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:25,840
These reminded me
of the photographs
761
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,080
that she had shot in the Alps,
in France,
762
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:29,720
when she was there in 1950.
763
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,400
Now, like her grandmother
and mother before her,
764
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,960
she turned to domestic service
and started to work as a nanny.
765
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,720
And, ever more intensely,
as a photographer.
766
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,960
She's on the balcony of the Hotel
Astor for the Macy's Day Parade.
767
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:51,720
You can see from the right
768
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:54,120
she's actually standing
with a bunch of children.
769
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,640
These children might be her charges,
mightn't they? They might be, right.
770
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,280
She gets access to these places
771
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,360
because she's working for wealthy
families who get access to places.
772
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,360
But often, she creates
her own access.
773
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,320
So she's standing in the shadow
here, by this wall,
774
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,800
seeing Salvador Dali
behind that post,
775
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,040
actually giving an autograph
to a woman
776
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,440
at the doorway to the Museum
Of Modern Art.
777
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,800
She actually walks down the street
here following Dali,
778
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,480
and shoots the second photograph
779
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,560
and she's caught him in this moment.
780
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,520
She dates the photograph
781
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:38,080
to the 24th of January, 1952,
782
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,360
and this is the time
when there's the exhibition
783
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,280
Five French Photographers
at the Museum Of Modern Art.
784
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,760
So I'm assuming
that she crossed that doorway
785
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,120
and she went into the museum
and she saw this exhibition.
786
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:57,000
She was teaching herself
about photography,
787
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:01,040
and it's now that Vivian made
the switch to her trademark camera,
788
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:02,520
the Rolleiflex,
789
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,520
with its large square negative.
790
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,400
It's the first Rolleiflex picture
I found
791
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,320
and it's taken on the 12th of July,
1952,
792
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,440
as she writes on the back
of the print.
793
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,160
She's capturing the vivid contrast
of the city.
794
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,320
She's found her subject matter.
795
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:28,120
In 1952, the hottest summer
on record in New York,
796
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,880
Vivian is crossing the city
with her new camera.
797
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,680
This is the Third Avenue train
that she took up and down
798
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:46,120
and when it gets down below a
certain point, it's the Bowery.
799
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,240
So by the time she leaves New York,
the train has been dismantled.
800
00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:02,360
Now, the Bowery is as gentrified
as the rest of Manhattan,
801
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,640
but then, it was a byword
for drunks and down and outs.
802
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,400
We're over by the Bowery bums,
803
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,520
where we have, like, people
like this man,
804
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:14,640
who has been beat up and he's asleep
or he's unconscious in his cart,
805
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,200
and men who are alcoholics
and passed out on the sidewalk.
806
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,080
And this sunny summer day
where she's here.
807
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,480
And she's actually standing
over there
808
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,960
taking a photograph of this man,
who's looking down at her
809
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,960
because she's got her Rolleiflex
at her waist.
810
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:34,320
He's looking at us, but he's looking
into the lens in this picture.
811
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,440
She had to be about three feet away
to get a close-up.
812
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:48,240
To go up and photograph a stranger
on the street,
813
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:51,880
you have to hold your ground
and be fearless
814
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:56,080
and take what you want,
because it's yours.
815
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:02,440
You could see that there was
something that she was interested in,
816
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:07,480
that she was going to, drawn to,
day after day.
817
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,040
She would keep on working certain
themes - the underdog,
818
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,200
the cast-aside,
819
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,240
the worker.
820
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,840
"You are too young
to fall asleep forever.
821
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,720
"And when you sleep,
you remind me of the dead."
822
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,920
She has the tools, and her work
is really taking off
823
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,080
and so is she.
824
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:41,480
She planned a whole year away,
but she needed a new passport.
825
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,320
So these images show
how she kept her own archive
826
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,560
by photographing her own documents.
827
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:59,320
This is the photograph
of her 1959 passport application
828
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,000
that shows she's lied
about her parents' death.
829
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,560
She checks that both
of her parents are deceased.
830
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,680
She checks... She checks that both
of her parents are deceased
831
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,720
and, in fact, also eliminates
her mother's name
832
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,680
from the application entirely.
833
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:17,120
'In fact, both her parents lived
another ten years,
834
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:20,160
'but in 1959, they're dead to her.
835
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,040
'She's cut loose.'
836
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,880
She actually lists all the places
she's going.
837
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,720
She's going to the Philippines,
Hong Kong, Indochina,
838
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,600
Siam, East Indies, Malaysia -
839
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,120
and she did this tour.
840
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,360
She actually did this tour?
She did this tour.
841
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:41,400
And did she take many photographs?
She took thousands of photographs.
842
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,640
So more than 50 years ago,
843
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,680
a single nanny sets off
on a world tour.
844
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:53,160
This is before motorways, before
mass air travel, before gap years.
845
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,000
She fits in a second visit
to her village in France
846
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,280
to pick up a cheque
from her great-aunt's property.
847
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,320
This time, she also takes in
Versailles and the Louvre.
848
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,880
People make an issue
of her being untaught,
849
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:06,720
but she was teaching herself.
850
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,080
Her visit to Paris coincides
851
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:11,760
with that of the US President,
852
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,960
so she shoots that too.
853
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:15,440
She's like a reporter,
854
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,960
but with no newspaper, no outlet.
855
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,680
It's really about being
alive to the world,
856
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:00,600
out in the world,
857
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:07,320
and seeing yet another
moment of...of consciousness
858
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:12,080
in which an awakened state
is what it's all about.
859
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:16,160
That you are privileged
to see that yet again,
860
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,760
this life is doing this for me.
861
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:22,480
You're dealing with
the disappearing moment.
862
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,160
It's there and it's gone,
863
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:29,440
and the only way that...it's
recognised as having happened
864
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,680
is you observing it, knowing it
and photographing it.
865
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:39,120
So you are the repository and,
and I, I think that...you know,
866
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,600
it's great if you can make prints
out of it and share this,
867
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,160
but, at a certain point,
if you've done it long enough,
868
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,360
you don't really,
you don't really have to,
869
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,160
it's for you, it's just for you.
870
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,480
But maybe working alone
with no audience
871
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,520
was too much of a strain in the end.
872
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,960
It seems the centre would not hold.
873
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:06,480
The world had opened up,
874
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,640
but by the late '60s,
was closing in for Vivian.
875
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:22,560
The shelter she'd found
876
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,520
with the Ginsberg family in Chicago
877
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,160
came to an end.
878
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:32,240
It wasn't until all the Ginsberg
boys went to college
879
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:33,880
that finally Mrs Ginsberg said,
880
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,040
"Vivian, maybe it's time now
for you to go on."
881
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,320
And breaking up was very hard
for them and the family.
882
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:48,280
The Ginsberg family very prominently
said that she was like Mary Poppins.
883
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,080
Almost all the other families
that I've talked to
884
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:56,000
all say that Mary Poppins is about
the last adjective...phrase
885
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,560
that they would use
in talking about Vivian.
886
01:01:59,960 --> 01:02:03,000
She did have her dark side
and she had her light sides.
887
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,400
When she taught me,
that was wonderful,
888
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:07,840
that was just wonderful.
889
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:11,520
But, you know,
890
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,720
her emotions could get better of her
sometimes, and so...
891
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:16,320
just leave her be.
892
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,320
Oh, you didn't want her to get angry
with you, believe me.
893
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,360
Where there'd been pleasure,
excitement,
894
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,400
increasingly there was
disappointment and dread.
895
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:39,680
She witnessed the Chicago riots,
in 1968.
896
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,480
Bobby Kennedy being assassinated,
897
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,440
the chaos that was going on in '68
898
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,880
and her photography, very much,
you get that sense of it.
899
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:57,120
Her work after that,
900
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,280
she would go to the same places,
she would go,
901
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:00,960
take the same kinds of walks,
902
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,760
but instead of noticing beautiful
abstractions on the sidewalk
903
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:08,800
and beautiful light coming through
trees, she'd start to see garbage.
904
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,840
When you see the weight of all these
images, thousands of images,
905
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,400
just the mildewing,
wet newspapers and garbage cans...
906
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,920
..it, there's a weight to it and
there's, there's a power to it
907
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:26,520
and I don't think you can deny that
it somehow is linked to who she was.
908
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,320
It was all bad news.
909
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,880
It was as if she was drowning,
910
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:36,400
as if she'd given up on people.
911
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,920
As the years passed,
her jobs got shorter,
912
01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:00,360
her hoarding and secretive behaviour
more extreme.
913
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:08,320
It was a little bit of a mystery,
what she did during the weekends,
914
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,280
where she stayed.
915
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:13,360
She would, you know,
take her belongings, her possessions,
916
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:17,720
often bags...of clothes
that she would, she would have,
917
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,360
always with her camera,
918
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:23,000
and likewise, she would return
sometimes with, you know,
919
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:26,400
new bags and more clothing.
920
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:37,320
No work exists beyond the 1980s,
921
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,440
but she was still carrying
her camera,
922
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,680
still putting rolls of film
923
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,200
in her own personal bucket
at Central Cameras,
924
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:47,280
rolls she couldn't afford
to collect.
925
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,080
That was her major difficulty
926
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:52,520
in the last 15, 20 years -
927
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:55,040
economics, not having
enough economics.
928
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:59,160
She couldn't afford
all of the things that she wanted.
929
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:02,880
Maybe more work will still emerge,
930
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:06,480
but maybe she would have preferred
if it didn't.
931
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:10,040
I don't think she would like it
at all, no.
932
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:14,520
There's too much going on,
933
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,440
too much delving into who she was
or what she was
934
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:19,080
and why was she this and so on,
935
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:22,080
and the trickle downs
and the trickle ups and, hey,
936
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:25,800
I like taking pictures - that was
her release, that was her world.
937
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:30,960
I didn't go to the shows to see
the interpretation of other people
938
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:34,680
of what they felt about her,
cos I have my own feelings about her
939
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:36,240
and I respect the way she was.
940
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,160
Maybe I would have learned
something,
941
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:39,760
but would it have been the truth?
942
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:43,240
It would have been someone else's
interpretation of a truth.
943
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,680
Yet she's caught the imagination
of a world
944
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:52,680
captivated with taking pictures
incessantly on their phones.
945
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:55,560
Vivian has gone viral.
946
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,440
She now lives on the web,
947
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,760
but she lived in her imagination.
948
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:06,280
Her compulsion to take pictures
was her life.
949
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:09,880
It's what she has left behind.
950
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:15,400
Some of the pictures of Vivian's
were from when I was a kid,
951
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:19,120
cos I was probably there,
and I didn't even realise.
952
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:23,160
I probably walked past her,
953
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:24,840
but I never would have known.
954
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:27,560
Can you contact them
955
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:31,160
and see what's happening with
the main show in Shanghai? Yeah...
956
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:35,160
'You see, our work isn't our work
until it's shared,
957
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:36,880
'somebody else has to see it.'
958
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,160
She did have a very private life,
959
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:43,400
so I think she would not be very
happy about that,
960
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,880
about people knowing about her.
961
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:52,280
As her story dissipates, and our
stories dissipate as they should,
962
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:57,120
and the work remains, that's, I
think she would be thrilled with it.
963
01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:00,240
In 200 years, if people are
looking at her work,
964
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:03,520
I'd be absolutely delighted
and I think she would be also.
965
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,520
You know, at some point, I think
I'm going to give some away,
966
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:12,160
maybe one a week for a bunch
of weeks and see what happens.
967
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:14,800
Give them back to the streets,
so to speak.
968
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,560
Look at all this, this is only
one third of what I have.
969
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:19,040
There's three times this,
970
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:20,720
so there's more than enough.
971
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,600
There's people grabbing cameras
right now,
972
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:28,760
they're doing a lot of street
photography because of Vivian.
973
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:30,760
I can't give away the rabbits,
974
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:32,400
that's my favourite.
975
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:48,520
It must have been around 2007
or so, I was on my way to work
976
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:51,520
and I saw her walking
down the street,
977
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:53,440
and I had a moment where I thought,
978
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:56,920
"Oh, should I...come over,
979
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:58,400
"walk over and say hello?"
980
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,400
And I just didn't, I was running
a little late and I just thought...
981
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,680
So I stood there
and I just kind of watched her walk,
982
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:06,920
and I thought, "Wow!
983
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:10,880
"Vivian's still going strong,
that is strange."
984
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:20,720
Right at the end of her life,
985
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:24,200
a neighbour caught sight of her
round the rubbish bins.
986
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:27,000
I first saw her in the neighbourhood
987
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:28,480
in the alleys.
988
01:08:28,480 --> 01:08:32,560
She used to be carrying
shopping bags, books.
989
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:34,480
I thought she was homeless.
990
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,520
When I swim, I started noticing her
over here.
991
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:44,440
She used to sit over here
behind these trees,
992
01:08:44,440 --> 01:08:48,800
kind of a...I don't know, out of
the way, she didn't really want,
993
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:52,680
she didn't want to be bothered,
I think she knew she was different.
994
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:55,920
She'd just be staring at the lake.
995
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:00,440
I'd swim for a half hour out there
and
996
01:09:00,440 --> 01:09:03,600
I'd look up and she would be gone.83182
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