All language subtitles for Madonna & Graham (BBC One HD 2026-06-26) WEB-RiP 1080p-50fps-TPF HDMania

# Thanks for coming

# Sometimes I like to just
hide in the shadows

# Create a new persona

# A different identity

# I can be whoever I wanna be... #

In 1983, Madonna played her
first-ever UK gig

at the Camden Palace.

Then, in 2005, she came back to the
venue to launch her new album,

Confessions On A Dance Floor.

Tonight, I'm on my way back there
to meet the great lady herself,

on the eve of the release
of her new album, Confessions II.

I'm always nervous meeting Madonna,
but I do adore her.

She brings me back to, really,
when I first arrived in London

and I would see videos
playing in clubs.

I would listen to her music.
I'd watch Desperately Seeking Susan.

And so it's an extraordinary
thing for me

that I've got to interview
her a few times,

and at the O2, she even
dragged me up on stage

and I got to dance with her,
which is quite something.

So I look forward to having
a great night with Madonna

at the Camden Palace,
now called Koko.

# Been so lonely
I can't take any more

# Give me champagne
so I can get on the floor tonight

# Oh, baby, let's do it right... #

Thank you.

# I feel so free

# I feel so free

# I feel so free. #

And it all started like this.

I like the way she acts,
cos I think all women

should be able to
act like they want,

without being run down
by men at all.

# I made it through the wilderness

# Somehow I made it through... #

The young lady who is currently
the hottest property in America.

Now, she's not completely
unknown here,

because she's had an unbroken string
of hit records in the past year.

She is Madonna.

THEY CHANT: We want Madonna!
We want Madonna!

There are some recording artists
who reflect history.

Then, there's Madonna,
who defines it.

Her music, her face, her name

have been part of my life and yours

for over four decades.

She's sold 450 million records
and counting.

# Like a virgin, hey

# Touched for the
very first time... #

I want longevity as a human being.
I want it to last forever.

# Everybody... #

Since her debut single
Everybody in 1982,

a US club smash hit,
Madonna has captured the hearts

and loyalty of fans
across the globe.

# Strike a pose... #

She gets what she wants
and she does it.

She is my icon. She is my icon
and I love her.

She made me this.
She made me be who I am.

She's a rule breaker. A rebel.

With extraordinary vision,
powerful ambition

and fearless artistry,
Madonna has helped shape

the landscape of fashion
and pop culture.

# So get up on the dance floor

# Vogue
Vogue

# Let your body move to the music
Move to the music... #

If you choose a moment in time
from the 1980s...

# Get into the groove

# Boy, you've got to prove
Your love to me... #

..to the 1990s...

# I feel like I just got home
And I feel... #

..into the 21st century,
her music has been the soundtrack.

# We go hard or go home
We gon' do this all night long

# We get freaky if you want
Bitch, I'm Madonna... #

Madonna was the coolest girl
on the dance floor,

and she's never left.

It's been seven years
since her last album -

that's quite the gap -
but now, Madonna is back.

There couldn't be a better time
for us to talk.

# So how's your evening so far?

# I feel so free

# I feel so free

# I feel so free

# I feel so free

# Come on, meet me
on the dance floor... #

Madonna, as I live and breathe.

Back on the dance floor
where you belong. Where I belong.

HE LAUGHS

How are you? I'm good. Great.
I'm ready for your audition.

Well, you know,
I've worked up a... Routine.

..bit of contemporary dance.
I think you'll be impressed.

One more time, everybody.

Stand... Stand by. Camera speed...

Action! Action, please!

So this is where you launched
Confessions On A Dance Floor in 2005.

Now we're on the eve
of Confessions II. Yes.

How come you keep coming back
to dance music?

What's so important about
dance music and dance floors?

Well, that's how I started.
I was a dancer, so...

Dancing is in my DNA,
and the first music I made

was dance music.

I like the connection I have
with people, dancing with people,

whether I'm on a stage
or on the dance floor.

It just creates community
and sometimes relationships.

Oh, dance... Oh, yeah.
The dance of...dance of love.

Sure. So when did you discover
the community of a dance floor?

When I was in Michigan,
my ballet teacher,

who was the first gay man
that I met... Not the last.

Definitely not the last.

Well, he told me I have to go to
this club called Menjo's.

It's in Detroit. He was like,
"I have to show you something.

"It's going to blow your mind."
I'm like, "OK."

And so I walked into this club
and the doors opened

and there were these two
really beautiful men

without their shirts on,

wearing roller
skates and bow ties and shorts.

And they had a drink on a tray.

And I was like,
"Wow, we're not in Kansas any more."

SHE LAUGHS

And that was my first
dance floor experience

where everybody was so free,
and girls were dancing with girls,

and boys were dancing with boys,

and some people were just whirling
around by themselves,

and I was like, "Wow, this is
so amazing. Everybody's so free."

Cut to my song, I Feel So Free...
Yeah. ..which I just released,

and I feel a tremendous sense
of freedom when I'm dancing.

And thinking back to the first
Confessions album

and, you know, the huge success
of Hung Up,

like, that must have been
an amazing moment.

It was, cos we didn't
have any idea...

IN BRITISH ACCENT:
..how brilliant it was. No, just...

No, but... Well, I mean,
I don't have any expectations.

I've been doing this for
a long time, so, you know,

hope for the best,
prepare for the worst -

but it was it was a huge success.

It took me by surprise,
that's for sure.

Yeah. I've actually got
something to show you.

It's a little visual reminder
of 2005 when you were here,

and lots of other moments... 2005?
..of you on a dance floor.

There, there. That's here.

There you are.

What a fun show.
Yeah, that was great.

# Every little thing
that you say or do

# I'm hung up, I'm hung up on you

# Waiting for your call, baby
Night and day

# I'm fed up, I'm tired of
waiting on you... #

Yeah, I'm wearing the same boots,
in honour of that.

these are my Confessions I boots.
Are they really?

Yeah, the ones that didn't get
stolen at Coachella. Yeah.

Where does the archive live?
In Brooklyn.

You know, in, like, a big
warehouse or something?

Yeah. Wow! I'm not going to
tell you where, though.

And can you, like,
if you think of something,

can you just call up and go...?

Can I find it on my own
without using the GPS?

Yeah, that kind of thing.
Yes, yes. Yes, I can.

But you use things again, so...
I do, I do. Yeah.

I like to prove to myself that
I can still fit into my clothes.

You know what I'm saying? I do.
So, do you ever do that?

Erm, I do... Try on your
clothes from 20 years ago?

Yeah. And? How's it going with that?
Sometimes it's a success...

SHE LAUGHS

..sometimes less so. Yeah.

It all depends what size they were
when I bought them.

If they're a little tight? Yeah.
Mm-hm.

And now they're VERY tight.

You don't do things
like that, though.

Look at how much fun
I look like I'm having. Wow.

# I know that you're
still hesitating

# Don't cry for me
cos I'll find my way... #

This must be a lovely
moment for you

because, you know,
the tracks that have come out

so far from the new album
people LOVE. Mm-hm.

So, like... We love that.
But are you most excited

about people hearing
the rest of this album?

Oh, my God. Yeah, because it's a
whole story. It's a whole journey.

Listen, we can talk about the
album, but it's kind of...

Or I could admire the flowers
on your jacket.

Thank you very much.
Who made that? It's Simone Rocha.

Rocha. Rocha.

Balmain. I... Do you know what?

I looked at it and I thought,
"Balmain". Did you?

Oh. Yeah. OK. Balmain.
Balmain. Balmain.

Thank you for correcting my French.

Listen, let's go listen
to some of the new music.

There's an old friend
waiting for you...

I couldn't be happier.
..in the House of Koko.

Oh. Let's go. I know, House of Koko.
I would love to.

Let's go. OK, let's go upstairs.

Hey! Get out of my way!
Hey! Hey, you!

Hey! What about you?

Here you go.

It's up on three.

Hope we don't get stuck in the lift.
Don't say that.

It's a jinx if you say it.

Waiting in the studio upstairs
is producer and DJ Stuart Price.

# I don't wanna hear
I don't wanna know... #

Madonna has a knack

of choosing visionary
musical collaborators.

Jellybean Benitez produced Holiday,
Nile Rodgers Like A Virgin,

William Orbit Ray Of Light,

Mirwais Music.

And it was Stuart
that Madonna turned to

for the classic
Confessions On A Dance Floor

and global smashes Hung Up and Sorry.

20 years ago,

Stuart was living
in a flat-cum-studio

in Maida Vale in London
when Madonna came calling.

I was a kind of utility
extra sort of keyboard player.

I'm less of a good keyboard player,

but more good at looking
at the overall thing,

getting all the sounds together.

So then I started working
as musical director.

It just kind of spilled over
into doing a record.

And now Madonna and Stuart

are trying to capture lightning
in a bottle again.

Over the last year,
they've been working into the night

in Stuart's West London studio.
With that focus on the dance floor,

they have delivered 16 songs
for the new project.

The world
is understandably very excited.

# I don't wanna know... #

Yeah, it's like...
Yeah, but he's like the Svengali.

Yeah, I'm just going to say...
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's your friend.

I look like I'm in that TV show
Dynasty because of my shoulder pads.

You're a woman in charge.

How are we doing?

Yes. Thank you for telling me.

So, Confessions II,
how did this happen?

We started working together on
the last tour, Celebration tour,

and we had to be clever reinventing
the songs.

Was it during the tour
that you started to write new songs?

I mean, he would send me...
he would record stuff

and send me mysterious sound,
like MP3s, right?

Yeah, I think we just, you know...

We'd worked previously
so much on tour

leading into doing records before,

because when you're on tour,
your mindset is about entertaining

and about connecting
with audiences and...

Also entertaining yourself. Yes,

you require a lot of entertainment
to keep...

Self entertainment.
..in the moment, but it's...

That's why I like soundchecks
the best. That's right.

That's because that's
where I can play.

Oh, that's where you mess around.
Yeah.

# I don't wanna do work... #

See, you guys have it easy, OK?

Yeah. You're just singing...

By the way... or you're playing
or you're dancing.

# I just wanna be a jerk... #

I've got to sing, I've got to play,

I've got to dance, and I've got
to take all this shit.

Oh, God. Now, now it's like,

it's like when it rains, it pours.

# But I gotta make a living

# Someone's got to pay for this.

# I got a job to do,
so let's do it... #

Shit! See how clever I am?

We are in Chile, Santiago.

OK. Thank you for coming to
the matinee performance.

We'll see you guys tonight!

FANS CHEER

So then finally,
when the tour ended,

like for the last year,
it's just been one big sound check.

We've been playing in the studio,
hence Confessions II.

And like, it just sounds... The idea
of two people being in a studio...

Two brilliant people.

Two brilliant people in a studio,
and there's no song.

Who goes first? Like, do you...?
Like, how does it begin?

I mean, we are living
in a patriarchal country,

so Stuart goes first. Do you really?

Sometimes.
I mean, no, most of the time.

No. No. It's actually -
Madonna's always got a story,

and that's always been the case.

So she's a great storyteller.

She's very poetic in the way
that she writes,

and those, you know,
the studio just becomes

about a space to tell stories.

I can't just make dance music
about nothing.

So that was really important.

So would you sit in the studio
and just, like, shoot the breeze?

Oh, God, that's all we do.

I think that's 95% of it. Yes.
Yeah, breeze shooting.

Yes. We love to
chat...about everything.

About the downfall of civilisation,
about parenting, about fashion.

And, listen, do you want
to play us a little bit of a track?

What would you like
to kick off with?

Or what would you
like to kick off with?

I think we should play
a little bit of a big song,

I Feel So Free, because that
was kind of the beginning

of the tapestry of the record.

That's true.
That was our doorway in.

Thanks for coming.

Sometimes I like to just hide
in the shadows.

Create a new persona,
a different identity.

I can be whoever I want to be.

EXPLOSIONS

Honestly, I wish I could be
like other people and just not care.

That's why I like to go dancing.

Safety in numbers.

But out here on the dance floor.

I feel so free.

And so this, the... What came first,

the phrase "I feel free"?
Was it the spoken word bit?

Spoken words. OK. Yeah. And how
do...? Do you just start speaking?

I love to speak with music
in the background.

And without music in the background!

No. Just kidding.

I don't know, something happens.

# Safety in numbers

# Meet me on the dance floor

# Come here, baby, I can give you
what you want tonight

# Oh, baby, let's do it right. #

All the sounds that we loved were
all like Chicago, Detroit techno.

Like all... Yes. Funnily enough,

Midwestern, uh, Midwest, Midwest...

Detroit and Chicago.
That was the music that was just...

It was soundtracking
what we were doing on tour,

how we were approaching songs.

You loved French Kiss, Lil Louis.

You loved that record.
I was obsessed with it.

And so one day she brought
that into the studio and said,

"We need to find a way
to incorporate this into a song."

And that is Lil Louis saying,
you know,

"So how's your evening so far?"

So how's your evening so far?

And because you came up
with that song,

like, kind of straight out of
the gate,

does that give you a kind of a boost

and a kind of like,
"Right, we're on to something here."?

Yeah. Even like before that,

I think we're messing around
with other songs.

And I was like, "Hmm,

"this is not exactly where we...
the road we want to be on."

And then when we did this song,

it was like,
"OK, now we're on the path."

And this you have,
you were at The Abbey in LA

and you were playing
that song to a dance floor.

Yeah, it was so fun.

Madonna, you're the best!

WOMAN SCREAMS

Madonna! Madonna! Madonna! Madonna!

# Come on, meet me
on the dance floor... #

Do you still get a real kick out
of that?

My God, I loved it. Loved it.

You were there, too.
Also, what was so great

is that everybody knew the words
already.

I could put the mic out
and everybody was singing,

you know,
and call and response kind of thing.

# Tonight

CROWD: # Oh, baby,
let's do it right

# I feel so free... #

Do you get kind of overexcited

when you're in a situation like that?

Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. I start sweating,
heart palpitations.

What do you mean by overexcited?
There's an energy, you know.

I think the record always sounds

like the time you have making it,
right?

It's just if that's not there...
He's like Socrates.

Yes, yes, I am rather like a modern
day Aristotle.

Yes, sure. As you've told me before.
I'm so glad we're filming this.

Play another track. Any requests?
One Step Away.

Yeah, sure. Yeah.

So this is One Step Away.
Let's play a little bit of it.

# People think
that dance music is superficial

# But they've got it all wrong...

They've got it all wrong.

# The dance floor
is not just a place

# It's a threshold

# A ritualistic space
where movement replaces language

# One step away from your freedom

# One breath away
from the dance of blood

# One step away from your heartbeat

# One step away, yeah, one step away

# Even the shadows where there's
nowhere left to hide

# Night-time comes before
the dawn... #

So where did that come from?

How did the creative process...?
My soul.

Hmm? Came from my soul.

That's a...
That's a moment on this record

where the whole thing happened in a,
just a kind of flash of light,

like an instantaneous moment.

The track was playing.

I think we'd worked on other songs
that day.

We did. But this track was playing
in the evening

and you were just dancing to it,

and then you just said,
just switch the microphone on,

I think I've got an idea.
That whole vocal performance

comes out in one stream
of conscious - lyrics, melody.

The whole thing happens in a moment.

Yeah, it's kind of like
I get possessed.

It's weird. The ideas come
when I don't try too hard.

I thought, you know, let me just put
a scratch vocal down

and, you know, we don't
want to be too pressed about it.

It just happened.

And like Confessions I, this
is a...kind of a playthrough album.

Yeah. All the tracks are
interlinked.

Transition music.
Songs transitioning into...

Yeah. Why did you decide to do that?

Because that's what happens

when you go to a club
and you're dancing.

A DJ is mixing one song
into the next

and there's no interruption,
there's just flow.

And how hard is it to get those,

you know,
to get one song into the next?

Oh, it's hard.

No, it is hard because you want it
to sound natural.

You're inspired by the experience
that you're trying to create.

We just wanted to make something
that was an immersive experience.

So there's a lot
of narration on this record.

The spoken word isn't limited
to just in the tracks.

There are things that you
talk about... Mm-hm.

..that take us from one place
to the next.

It's just like,
I'm the voice in your ear.

I'm talking to you.
I'm inviting you.

I'm singing to you.
I'm seducing you.

I'm inviting you
to not only join me,

but also to be free.

You know, to let yourself go,
to not think, not intellectualise.

I mean, in the music,

you talk about that idea
of hitting the dance floor

and being free
and finding a new persona

and anonymity and stuff. Mm-hm.
Like...

..can you ever experience...?

That's what people do
when they go out. No, absolutely.

That is what people do.
But do you miss that?

Can you ever do that?

Can you ever have
that feeling again?

You know where I can have it,

it sounds like a total
contradiction, is onstage

because there's so many people,

so many people that I just kind of
tune everybody out

and then I...something takes over.

Again, I become possessed
and there's nobody there.

Does that take you to that place?
Yeah, absolutely.

Well, talking of that place,

I know there's a track on the album
called Danceteria.

Can we hear a bit of that?
Yeah. Oh, thanks.

# He played my tape "Everybody"

# This is how we start the party

# It's not what I say

# It's not what I do

# It's how my body language
talks to you

# I just want to lose myself
in the groove

# Get over here!

# Everybody get up and dance

# Ah ahh ahh ahh ah ah-ah

# Everyone here is a work of art

# Everybody get up and dance

# Everybody!

# Everyone here is a work of art

# Everybody get up and dance. #

So, clearly, this track,

this is more written.

It's not like
a stream of consciousness.

Or is it a stream of consciousness?
I was just writing down names

and situations from that time
of my life,

and I was trying to like...
I just was...

That was totally stream
of consciousness.

Then I went home and tried to like
put it into form,

you know, in a rhythmic form.

# I run into Debi Mazar

# Take us to the third floor

# Walk us through the dance floor

# Then I see Mark Kamins is the DJ

# He's the DJ, hide the cocaine

# He played my tape "Everybody"

# This is how we start
the party... #

So there will be people
watching this

who don't know what Danceteria was.

So how do you describe it
to those people?

The Mecca of music and dance.

And fashion.
Let's not forget fashion.

Mr Rocha. In Manhattan.

Yeah. 27th Street. Yeah.

# You must be my lucky star... #

It's this incredible convergence
of musicians

and painters and writers
and directors.

There's a great line

in the song Danceteria that you say,
"Everybody here is a work of art."

There will never be another time
like that.

I just think that happened
in that particular way,

because the only way you could
meet people is to go out.

If you were an artist
and you lived downtown,

you had to go on the street
and call people on the payphone,

and then you had to take the subway
and wait in a long line.

That's ritual. You know, that's...
And that's important

because it builds community
and connection.

Everybody was cool. I wasn't cool.

But you would dress up to go out?
Yes.

And, well, I didn't have,
like, any cool outfits.

And when I would go to Danceteria,
everybody had cool outfits,

and everybody had cool hair,

earrings up their ears
and, you know.

But did you look like the Madonna
we first met?

You mean dirty hair
and a leather cap?

You know, things tied in your hair
and... Tights, those were.

It was like all my clothes
that I had,

like, my ballet...
because I was a dancer.

So I just took all my dance clothes
and reinvented it.

So hunger was the best sauce.

Back then, when you were in the clubs

and you were just getting to perform
in clubs in New York... Mm-hm.

..like, you must have thought,
"Right, this is it. I've made it."

I just wanted to get one song played
on the radio. That was it.

Like, I'll know I have made it.
And if I get one song on the radio,

that means I can pay my rent. So...

And then that happened. Thank God.

And before that, were you, like,
were you known?

Like, were you "that" girl
in the club?

No, I was very awkward. And, um...

I didn't fit in.

When Mark Kamins did play
Everybody...

..I went down
to the dance floor to dance.

Dancing to my song in a club
for the first time.

# Dance and sing
Get up and do your thing

# Dance and sing
Get up and do your thing... #

One of the times that you
are...you feel freest

is just where you get comfort

and solace from just going
and dancing.

I don't care,
because when I start dancing,

I really don't care what you think.

You're just in your head.
You're not aware of...

No, I'm in my body. I'm in...
Like, definitely not in my head.

That's the worst place to be.

Nobody ever wants to dance with me.
Or did...

They certainly didn't in those days
because I'd just go crazy,

and I think I irritated a lot
of people.

That's... All that's a lot of
what we're trying to pick up

on the record is being
in the room together,

like, create an environment
in the studio

that would just be akin to, like,
recalling what it's like

to have the energy
of being in a club.

We haven't talked about
Sabrina Carpenter...

Yeah. ..the other track
that's been released already.

How did that happen? Who knew who?

I DM'd her.

What? On Instagram?
Yeah, but sometimes you get,

you know, you DM people
and you're just like,

they're never going to believe
that it's me,

or I'm never going to
hear from them.

And what did you say in your DM?
Just, "Hey, it's Madonna."

Yeah. I said,
I'm making a new record,

and I would love to collaborate
with you on something.

It ended up being Bring Your Love,
and it worked perfectly.

# Don't comment on my ideas

# I don't want your judgment
or your expectations

# Don't wind me up like a toy

# Your vision of me
is a killer of joy

# I know where the bodies are buried

# Don't try to shut me up

# Don't try to distract me
with numbers

# I did it all for love

# Bring your love
cos you cannot shake me

# Bring your love
cos you'll never break me

# Bring your love
cos you cannot take me down

# Don't wanna compromise
Ask yourself this... #

And then how did the whole
Coachella thing come about?

Well, she was already scheduled
to open for Coachella,

so she invited me
to perform with her.

It all happened in a very pure way.

I want to ask, you put up a reward
for your stolen costume.

Has it come back? No.

It's very naughty. Where did you...?
Were they just...?

Were they in your dressing room?
No, they were taken out.

I feel like I've stumbled into
an area of darkness.

Let's move on! No, I mean,
I think Coachella is like...

It's a very distracting environment.

There's a lot going on.

Somebody found them
and helped themselves.

They'll be returned. Yes.
I feel they will.

I do. Do you? Yeah.

OK. Great. Yeah.

I have faith. You?

Of course. And if I see you
in a nice purple jacket,

I'll know where it came from.

I was very disturbed by it
for a couple of days, but...

No. Horrible. Because they...
They were your original...

They were historical. Yeah. Yeah.

Congratulations.

It's such a great record. Thank you.
And I think you've earned a drink,

young lady. Would you like to go
and get one?

So, does that mean
we're going to the bar?

Yeah. The bar. The bar.
You've got work to do.

You can stay here.

# Down, down, down
in your heart... #

Madonna epitomises the idea of
the global superstar.

She has a remarkable following
in South America,

all over Europe and Asia,

and, of course, back home
in the States.

Which is why, to me,

it's all the more intriguing
that she has been spending

so much of her time in the UK.

And that's not a new thing
for Madonna.

Clearly, working here in London
has been rewarding creatively.

That focus on songwriting
has paid off...

..and London life has extended
to the rest of the family.

# I really wanna be with you. #

Let's go crazy.

Let's do it.
Captain, can you hear me?

What's a girl got to do to get
a drink around here?

You've really got into it now.

Do you ever get the shivers
for no reason?

Well, every now and again.
Yeah, yeah.

What, did it just happen to you?
Yeah.

Means someone's walking on my grave.

No-one will do that. Huh.
They'll walk around.

I am so looking forward to a drink.

Wait, what?
We haven't even had a chat.

Well, I'd like a drink
and then we can chat.

What, you... So I'm boring
unless you drink? No, no!

I just feel...we kind of
pre-organised this,

but still no drinks. Oh, no!

Kylie Minogue!

Hello, darling. Fancy that.
You tricked me!

Did you know Kylie was going
to be here?

No. Shut up!
I knew what you both wanted.

Needed. Well, I pre-ordered.
Um, now... It's a holy triangle.

Well, I now feel like some...

Like I've died and gone
to gay heaven, but, er... Literally.

Um, but there's all the rumours...
It's a moment.

It's a moment, it's a moment.

But, Kylie, I don't like this drink.

The drink? What can I get you?
Don't send it back!

No, it's not... But I'm not going
to send it back. OK.

Would you like some
cheap white wine?

Sure. OK. I'll drink this.

Now, I'm seeing you here because...

Oh, God!

You like it now?
Water? Water. Water, waiter!

For the love of God,
water for Kylie.

No! You don't...
You're the bartender.

OK, I've got to ask,

there have been rumours
that Kylie is on Confessions II.

Is this you confirming that rumour?

So you are on Confessions II.
Why do you have to know everything?

Because it's my job!
It's my job to be mysterious.

Good at deflecting.

So... Well... And you did duet
during the Celebration tour.

We sure did. Yeah. What a moment!
I absolutely loved that.

All right, come on,
a little bit more.

# La la la la-la la la la

BOTH: # La la la la-la la la la

# La la la la-la la la la

# La la la la-la la la la

# I just can't get you
out of my head

# Boy, your love
is all I think about

# I just can't get you
out of my head

# Boy, it's more than I dare
to think about... #

Cos you've been a long-time fan.

And I've been a long-time fan.

Thank you. Maybe we're all gay.

Well, I have this to prove.

Well, as if everything else
doesn't, but...

What? Ahhh!

Your debut album.

How it got into
the Minogue household, I don't know.

Did we have enough pocket money
to get it?

Did my parents get it?

But my sister and I hammered
that album.

Love was born
and it was everlasting.

Wow. Wow. That is amazing.
Give it back to me.

Um, I look like I have a headache.

No, no. It's iconic.
It's incredible.

And then now I look like I want
to choke myself.

And how did the Kylie T-shirt
come about?

How did that happen?

I was in my Western mode,
rhinestoning everything.

And I was trying to think of singers
that I'm slightly in love with.

And so naturally I thought of Kylie
and had a T-shirt made of her.

And when you saw...

Did anyone warn you
that was going to happen?

No warning. No.

I don't know what I did.

I mean, probably just stopped shy
of fainting.

It was... No, I was actually
a little bit jealous of you.

Really? Yeah. Why?

Because she was so cute.

Thank you. I think my, um,
my ex-husband at the time

had a crush on her, and I was like,

"I'll never be as beautiful
as Kylie."

I know you've got the last tube
to get. Yeah, the tube.

I've got to get to the tube.
What? Are you kidding?

Yeah. She's out of here. Yeah. What?
That's my shift done.

Kylie Minogue, thank you so,
so much. Thank you.

Maybe... Maybe a bartending school.

Yeah,
yeah, yeah. Just... It's not great.

I think this grapefruit juice

has gone bad,
but that's not your fault.

And I'm out of here. OK.
Have fun. Bye!

Write to the manager.
Bye. Bye, darling.

Thank you so much.
Bye. Love you. Bye.

What's your relationship with London
been like - when you got here first?

It's been a... It's been
a mad roller-coaster ride.

Before I made records,
my friend, Martin,

we worked in a bar
called Lucky Strike.

And every night we would
whittle away

the money in the cash register,
as one does,

because we were saving up to buy
an aeroplane ticket to go to London.

MUSIC: Chant No 1
by Spandau Ballet

Cos we'd heard
that the fashion was insane.

And we wanted to go
to the World's End... Oh, yeah.

..and see the clothes of Vivienne
Westwood and Malcolm McLaren.

# I'm washing my clothes
but the stain still grows... #

And we also heard the nightclub
scene was crazy.

And, yeah,
it was really a fun couple of days.

And when you got to London,

was it as fun
as you thought it was going to be?

Because, like, we looked at New York

thinking that's
where clubs were amazing.

It was, actually. It was really fun.

To me, it was something different,

because I had already experienced
Danceteria,

which we talked about already. Yeah.

I mean, it was very different.

Just a different world. Yeah.

And, um, it was exciting.
But then the second time I came,

I came to work on the soundtrack
of Evita.

And then I was there
for a long chunk of time,

and I just found it so dreary.
Like, it's always grey,

it was always raining,
I didn't have a friend,

everything closed at six o'clock,

nothing was open on Sundays,
and the food wasn't very good.

It's really changed.
I mean, that was a long time ago.

Yeah.
So thank God I met David Collins...

Oh, lovely David Collins.
..and Lorcan O'Neill,

and they made me fall in
love with London.

They took me out all the time.
They introduced me to people.

They brought me to galleries
and museums and cocktail parties.

And I was like, "Oh, London's fun."
And now you seem to love it.

Like, we see you out and about.

You've been to Tracey Emin's studio
down the coast.

Yeah. Margate. I discovered Margate
for the first time.

That's a fun place. Yeah.
Lots of artists.

How did you get to Margate?

You're probably thinking
I took the train.

I wasn't.

THEY LAUGH

Uh, I just drove.
My driver drove me.

Oh, OK. No. It's only two hours.
Yeah.

No. It's handy.
It's fantastic there.

It reminds me of Coney Island.

I think one of the... You know,
Confessions II. The word confession.

I think one of the odd things
about you

is your songs are way more personal

than I think fans... Expect?

Or even know. You know
the way sometimes they really do

deep dives into lyrics.
Oh, she's singing about da-dah.

They don't seem to do
that with your songs.

Why do you think that is?

I've been very open,
and I wouldn't say confessional,

but talking about my feelings,

my desires,
what my fears for, like, decades.

So it's not...

Is that a new thing? Well, I think
maybe on this album it's so...

It's this amazing dance album,

and then the kind of
last quarter, maybe,

are these really kind of emotional,
very personal songs, I think.

Are they the most
personal songs you've ever done?

I wouldn't say that. But, you know,
they're very specific.

They're very...
And a lot was happening

in my life at the time
that I was writing with Stuart,

in the beginning.

I was affected deeply by the death
of my brother Christopher.

People here tonight, who do you most
want to hang out with?

Who do I most want to hang out with?

My brother Christopher.

And, um, that was another song
that just like came.

I actually came to the studio
and I spoke to my brother

who was in a lot of pain
on the phone,

and he was, um, not in a good place.

And I knew
that it was close to the end.

And then I went upstairs
and wrote a song.

So it was all connected
to what was happening in my life.

And it is such a beautiful song.

And is that...is that hard to do?

Like, you know,
does it cost you emotionally or...?

It's... It's cathartic.
It's like a kind of therapy,

you know, to let go of somebody
that you love.

The best way to do it
is to write about it or to... Yeah.

It's like an exorcism.

# You've been hurt before

# You've been hurt... #

But has your dad heard it or...? No.

That's got to be hard, surely. Yeah.

I'm going to see him soon,
and he will. I don't want to...

I don't want to, like,
push him over the edge.

It's not disturbing. It's just...
No, no.

It's beautiful. It's gorgeous.

And the other gorgeous thing
on the album

is you duet with your daughter.

Yeah. She approached me -

because she's been very reticent
to work with me or to be...

She doesn't want to be perceived as,
you know,

my daughter taking advantage
of her privilege.

How did that feel?

Was it just like working
with another professional,

or was it a sort of a proud mama?

It was kind of neither
of those things.

She's been very standoffish

and working in the, you know,
at her own pace,

at her own, you know,
and I respect that deeply.

And she's a great songwriter,

and she's has a much,
much better voice than I do.

# Untangle me

# What do you want?

# Unsure if you wanted me

# Untangle me... #

But then one day she came
to me and she said, "You know what?

"I've been...
I realised that I've been, um...

"..I'm holding on to something and
maybe it's a kind of, you know..."

I want to say anger. What's another
word for anger that's not...?

Resentment, or...? Yeah. Maybe that.

Because at the end of the day,
she didn't ask for this. Yeah.

You know what I mean?
It's a weird second-hand fame.

Yeah, exactly. She had been through
her adolescence

struggling with those feelings
for a long time.

And then, um...

..she came to me and she said,
"Let's write a song together.

"I think it will be a very
healing experience.

"And you say exactly
what you want to say,

"and I'll say exactly
what I want to say."

And I was like, "OK, you're on.

"Let's do it." I was so happy.

Were you taken aback
by her lyrics, or...? No.

They're beautiful.
No, they are. Yeah. Yeah.

The other thing that I was like,

you say her voice
is more beautiful than yours.

To my ear, they blend like...
Were you take...?

Did that shock you? How your
voices... Sound good together.

Well, well, same DNA.
That makes sense.

Yeah. Yeah.

Cut, bitch.

And tell me this,

are there lots of tracks
that aren't on the album?

Did you...?

Oh, there are. Yeah.

But I think they're going
to find their way out to the world.

We have... We have eight songs

that we really love
that didn't make it on the record.

You can only put
so many songs on the record.

Yeah. 16 seems indulgent almost.
It's... Verging.

Yeah. It's a perfect thing.
It's an hour.

It's perfect. It is.
It's perfectly an hour.

It's great. It's a great
record to work out to.

Like, does this make me
want to get up and move?

Does this drive me?
Does this inspire me?

Does this give me incentive?

Make me want to sweat?
Yeah - and if it didn't,

I was like, "Off the record."

It was actually a perfect
way to choose things.

So these are the... These are
the ones. These are the keepers.

These are the keepers.

And now I never thought
I'd be sitting in a bar

talking to Madonna about football.

Uh, but you're,
your...your little daughters,

they're big into football... Yeah.

..and you are playing
the World Cup final.

That's crazy. Yeah.

Did you do that to promote
the album?

Or so your daughters would get
tickets to the World Cup final?

Um... Actually, neither.

I'm just a really big football fan,

and, um, it's always
been my dream to...

Really? Yeah.
They never had a half-time. Yeah.

So it was like I've been bugging
and, like, harassing my manager

for over a year about it.

And what are you going to give them?

Like, some new stuff,
some old stuff?

A very bright pink football.

Yeah. Um, I'm not going to tell you.
You just want to know everything.

Like just spoiler alert.
That's my job!

OK. You'll find out
when you get there.

Well, I won't get there,
but I'll watch it.

I'll definitely watch it.
You're not going to come?

No. It'll be the only bit of
the World Cup I see

is the... Oh.
..is the half-time show.

Well, I hope we don't disappoint.
You won't.

Tell me this,
will you tour this album?

What's your what's your plan
going forward?

I think I'll do promo tours
for a while.

And then in the summertime,
something bigger.

Oh.

Oh. Is that..? OK.

That sounds really exciting and good,

and I think I know
what you're talking about.

Er, is it in this country?

It could be.

Why do you have to know everything?

I've spent all this time
talking to you.

But I've told... I've told you
a lot of interesting things.

No, you have. That's what you get.
Yeah. The rest you have to wait for.

Oh, OK. You know, um...

I heard this phrase a long time ago

that the definition of being
an adult

is the ability
to delay gratification.

Wow. I'm not an adult.

That's clear.

I'm...I'm so not an adult.

Yeah. Well, you're a time-waster,
so you must be a teenager.

Um, Madonna, thank you so much
for spending time with us.

Thank you so much for talking to us.

And good luck with Confessions II.

Thank you so much.
And can I just suggest

that maybe you buy some
grapefruit juice?

That's the thing I'm going
to do tomorrow.

Tomorrow. Tomorrow. Or the next day.
I'm so busy tomorrow.

Or the next day. Yeah. Don't rush.

Thank you.

We've got to run. I'm walking.

You can run. Yeah. I'm cycling.
Are you really? Yeah.

Oh, it all started like this.

Madonna back on the dance floor
where you belong.

How are you? It's so good to see you.

It's so good to see you. Yay!

And to be back in Koko's.
For the third time.

Yeah! Yes!
Touched for the very third time.

Stuart, have you sound-checked?
We have.

INDISTINCT

The idea of two people being
in a studio...

Two brilliant people.
Two brilliant people in the studio.

Oh! Kylie Minogue!

Checking the gate.