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Shane has been
missing for two days.

He's 12 and he lives
here in Algoa Park.

This is Shane.

A new hand out
please, thank you.

Shane's mother
thought he might have

been staying with
his grandmother,

but if he had
planned to go there,

he never made it.

Thank you again, all of
you for joining the search.

Let's try and bring
this little boy home.

If you start out that way and
you guys fan out that way,

and I'll go here.

Do you have a dog?

Have you
found anything back there?

Not yet.

Thank you for agreeing
to the interview.

Our readers are
going to love it.

You know, I would've been happy
to meet you at your motel.

You said.

You don't like to give
anything away, do you?

You wear a fringe
that covers your eyes

and whenever you
look in your bag,

you make sure I can't
see what's inside.

Are you playing
psychologist now?

Not me.

But what made you
want to become one,

a psychologist, that is?

Well, I was a journalist first.

Then later I went on
to study psychology.

I was interested in the
works of Freud, Jung.

They say psychoanalysis is a
study of the id by the odd.

What made you want to
study serial killers?

It's a strange
choice of specialism.

Well, I was drawn to the
work of Robert Ressler.

Robert Ressler.

His book, Whoever Fights
Monsters, was a huge influence.

Whoever Fights Monsters.

Wow, that's really great.

The point is,
they're not monsters.

Ah, but the cannibal killer.

How many victims?

Nine? Ten?

Defenceless women, young
boys, his own daughter.

- They're human beings.
- Okay.

They're tortured souls.

You can't think of
them as monsters

if you want to catch them.

They're more
dangerous than that.

- Reservation for one, yeah.
- Yeah.

Doctor Micki Pistorius.

Perfect, okay. This is yours.

- Enjoy your stay, thank you.
- Thank you very much.

So are you gonna
be able to interview

Stewart Wilken before the trial?

Yeah.

Robert Ressler
built his career on

interviews like
this in the States.

Oh?

Stewart
Wilken's, one of a kind.

Boetie Boer,
the cannibal killer.

He's terrifying.

Who's your chaperone
going to be?

Martin Caywood.

Is he any good?

Might give you a
run for your money.

Okay, so the Nasrec
murders in Joburg.

Let's go through
what we have so far.

Next up on our tour of
Boetie Boer's murder scenes.

This is where he
killed Shane Miller?

His last victim.

Six children, all boys
except his daughter, Sonia.

Four adult women,
all prostitutes.

That's partly why no one
picked up on him for so long.

Different types of
victims, no clear links.

That's what makes
him so fascinating,

his different sets of victims
and approaches to them.

The prostitutes he brags
about, displays their bodies,

the children he hides.

Mr. Wilken confessed,
he brought me here.

How long did it take
to get the confession?

Not long, I kind of set him up.

How do you mean?

I put a picture of
my kid facing him.

The cutest one I could find.

She's looking
straight in the camera

and she's about two or
three, it's as good as gold.

I had this hunch that
it would get to him,

and it did.

Couldn't stop staring at it.

I think he felt like
he was being judged.

Clever.

This is where it happened.

But he had been on his way
to visit Shane's family

when he bumped into the
boy on the road back there.

He joined the search.

The sergeant heading
up the case heard that

Boetie was the last
person to be seen

with another boy who
had gone missing,

so she joined the dots.

Boetie Boer, little brother.

Why is he called that?

That's what he calls himself.

Ever since he's been a
kid, he didn't tell me why.

Reminding himself
he's someone's son,

someone's brother, maybe?

That's what I was thinking,
but I'm not the psychologist.

No, but you understand
him, don't you?

What are you saying?

Well, when you talk about him

there's warmth in your
voice, affection even.

I wouldn't go that
far, but you'll see

when you meet him
it's hard to hate him.

He's like a big kid
who's done bad things.

He's unlike anyone
I've ever met.

Hate the sin, not the sinner.

Something like that.

You okay?

And places hold onto the memory

of things that
happened within them.

It changes the energy.

It's bad here.

He came back visiting the body

after he'd killed
him numerous times.

He's in your head, isn't he?

Yeah, yeah he is.

This is Peter
to take us to Shane's body

after Wilken's
confession statement.

Okay, his childhood.

Why does he call
himself Boetie Boer?

What does that name
reveal about him?

The types of victim.

Can he explain
his victim choice?

Are they opportunistic or
driven by different impulses?

Hey.

- How are you?
- Alright.

I'm sorry. I've
got some bad news.

No, what?

Stewart doesn't
want to talk to you.

Oh, why?

I know, he read the interview.

Thinks you're a bitch
who's out to get him.

- Oh, he's twisted everything.
- They tend to do that.

No, but I didn't say
that, fucking hell.

That's why I don't even
give them the time of day

'cause they'll always do this.

That's his wife.

All rise.

Be seated.

You may bring in the accused.

Mr. Wilken, you may stand.

The accused stands trial
on nine counts of murder

and four counts of rape.

Mr. Wilken, how do you
plead to these charges?

Not guilty.

Mr.
Wilken, you may be seated.

It should be noted that these

crimes are unusual in the sadism

and that the evidence is

of a highly distressing nature.

It's not going to be an easy
process for anyone to witness.

The court will break
for a short recess

and then we will hear
from our first witness.

Mr. Miller,

I appreciate your
taking the time

to appear here today.

I know it must be
incredibly painful for you.

I shall hand over to Advocate
Hofmeyer for the prosecution.

Mr. Miller, you knew the
accused, is that right?

Yes, he had stayed with us.

You were friends?

My wife Carol, Shane's mom.

I think she was friends
with his wife, Rihanna.

They were having problems.

And when Shane was
reported missing,

the accused joined in the search

pretending to want to
help. Is that correct?

Yes, not to help. He
wanted to hide his crime.

Thank you.

I have one more
difficult question

and then I'll let you go.

Is there any truth to
the accused's accusation

that you beat Shane?

I know he said that.

I know he says we abused Shane.

He says that's
why he killed him,

to free the boy from pain.

He doesn't have the humanity
to shoulder what he did.

So he lies about me and my wife.

I'm
sorry I had to ask you that,

but it is all important.

I have no further questions.

Mr. Miller, you are excused.

I am sorry you
didn't get your interview.

No, I can give
evidence without it.

It's just such a huge case.

I mean it's the worst
we've had for years.

So I want to understand that.

Twisted, huh?

Catching these guys, trying
to get them to open up

so that you have something in
common with them, you know?

The danger is you
do it too well.

Start to feel
comfortable with them.

Yes.

They are out there,

winning the race.

- I see you carried on then.
- Lifesaver.

There's been a bit
of a change of plan

on your testimony today.

You're gonna need that.

The defence has called you
instead, we'll see you there.

God.

You've pulled it together well.

Not my first hungover rodeo.

When did the prosecution
change their mind, and why?

Last night they
think they've got

plenty to prove their
case without you.

Might have been a bad steer

because the defence
jumped on it.

I guess they think you'll help
get him a reduced sentence.

You alright over there?

Yep. Let's go.

Micki, Hi. Ready?

Look, I'll be asking
you to fill us in on

where he fits into
the overall picture.

How his childhood led
him to do all of this.

Doctor Gelman will also be
giving testimony for us.

I'm hoping that the
judge will agree

that Wilken is not
fully culpable.

My job is to explain behaviour
to the judge, that's it.

Well, it's not like
I have lots of people

lining up to speak for him.

I swear.

Hardus
van Graan for the defence.

Doctor Pistorius, could you
give the court a picture

of how the behaviour of the
accused might be understood?

First, it is important
to remember that there

is no such thing as a
typical serial killer.

Every serial killer
is different, unique,

just like us in that respect.

So, what is a serial killer?

A person who murders
several victims,

usually strangers
at different times.

Is
there a common motive?

No, motive is linked to

development and as
such is variable.

Could you elaborate?

Serial killers frequently
develop fixations.

These arise from one of the
psychosexual development phases.

Mr.
Nyosi, I understand

this is difficult,

but please remain silent.

And with this defendant,
what was his motive?

The defendant has weakened
surmise, an oral fixation.

Not unexpected, given
the extreme sexual abuse

he endured as a young child.

Can you explain why?

Yes, the defendant was
abandoned at the age

of six months by his mother.

He was not breastfed.

He mutilated the
breasts of his victims.

Symbolically, he cuts the
breast to get to the milk.

He also ate the nipples
of more than one victim.

Cannibalism is also associated
with the oral phase,

which takes place between
birth and two years old.

As you'll recognise,
this fits with when

the defendant was abandoned.

The defendant is also unusual in

that he killed two
distinct types of victim.

One was prostitutes.

Women who resembled
his mother on

whom he could vent his rage.

The others were young boys
who represented himself.

In killing them, he's
effectively killing

the child he once was
over and over again.

But the
abuse the accused suffered

was unusually severe,
is that correct?

It was. But as you know,
many people suffer abuse.

They do not all go on
to abuse or to kill.

But he was abandoned and
abused multiple times.

Indeed, his most basic needs,

hunger, security were neglected.

He was undernourished,
terribly abused.

He learned early to act in
sadistic ways as a defence.

As a young boy, he frequently
bit his foster mother

and he went on to do the same
to several of his victims.

They were bitten on
toes, breasts, genitals.

When he ate the nipples
of one of his victims.

No! Her name was Violet Nyosi
and she was my daughter.

Mr. Nyosi,

sit down and keep quiet.

Otherwise I shall
have you removed.

I understand.

The accused also

sodomised many of his victims.

Was that symbolic also?

Additionally, the
accused has a fixation

in the anal phase
of development.

This is control oriented.

He stated in his confession
that he enjoyed the pain

of his victims when he
was sodomising them.

You pig.

There is, in your
professional opinion,

no chance that the
accused can be taught

to control his urges?

Absolutely not.

Even the most minor
of stresses will

trigger violence in him.

Please understand, if
the accused is free,

he will kill again.

- Not hungry?
- Too oily.

I think I might get
myself a piece of cake.

I saw that.

I'm gonna ask if he can help

persuade Stewart to talk to me.

- Hi.
- Hello

Advocate, I was
very much hoping to

speak to Stewart in person.

I know, he wasn't interested.

Do you think he might
be persuaded now

that he's seen I'm
not out to get him?

- I doubt it.
- Could you ask?

Please, it's so
important to my research,

he's such an unusual case.

I'll ask him, don't
get your hopes up.

Thank you.

Mr. Wilken, you may stand.

Mr. Wilken, you have
been found guilty-

guilty of killing seven people,

and yet at no point

in this trial have you shown
any emotion or remorse.

There's no question in
my mind that you intended

to kill every one
of your victims

and that you continue to pose
the most terrible danger.

If I could hand down the
death penalty, I would do so,

but I do not have that option.

So, I propose that the accused

serve seven life sentences,

to run concurrently.

Thanks Erika, gimme
that good sugar.

Yes ma'am. All the
diabetes, all the time.

Thank you.

So I noticed something
on the Nasrec case.

Hmm?

One of Bongani's victims
was from Newcastle

and on Nasrec,
Vuyile was on her way

to Newcastle when
she went missing.

Could be something, good work.

I'll let Ruan know and
we'll trace it through.

You're doing really well.

I got given my own case.

Oh, that is amazing.

You really deserve
it, you're gonna fly.

Yeah, I'm sure I'll still
be needing your advice.

This came in for you earlier.

He said yes, I'm gonna
meet Boetie Boer.

How's it, Stewart?

Yeah okay, Martin. How's it?

Hello Stewart.

Thank you for agreeing
to talk to me.

Well, Martin said
you were alright.

You wouldn't talk to me before.

What made you change your mind?

The trial, you were on my side.

You understand me.

Would you like a cigarette?

I'm going to take mine outside.

Would you mind
leaving the lighter?

- Yeah.
- Thank you.

Tell me about your childhood.

What's the worst thing
that happened to you?

My foster dad wouldn't
get me a toy red engine.

I wanted it so bad, he said no.

He said I was useless.

When I was eight, I
started smoking dope.

He wasn't a good man,
your foster father?

No, he burned me
with cigarettes.

I ate from dog bowls.

When I was adopted I
thought it would stop,

but it never stopped.

They sent me to a school where
the Deacon buggered me too.

When I complained, they
locked me in a cupboard.

Everyone in your
life failed you.

How did that make you feel?

- Bad.
- It made you feel bad,

like sad inside?

Yes, but also bad.

Like I was bad,
bad boy, useless.

My foster parents
called me Stewart.

I am Boetie Boer.

When did the fantasies start?

Yeah, I don't remember
the first time.

So you always had
them, fantasies about

sodomising others,
raping women, killing?

As long as I can remember,

I always wanted
to and then I did.

I started and I
didn't wanna stop.

You couldn't stop
until you were caught.

I learned a lot by that time.

I watched the police and
how they work the scenes.

It's only Martin who got
me to want to confess.

After the bodies were found.

The early ones, yeah.

Learn not to leave hairs behind

that they can match with mine.

I had to make sure the
bodies didn't rot too quick

so I can go back to them.

I need to toss, can I go?

Yes, thank you for asking.

I'll keep this.

What was that all about?

He said he needed
a moment alone.

Lovely.

Is he talking?

He is.

He's a complicated guy, eh?

Yeah.

Do you wanna smoke?

Did you wash your hands?

Look.

Good boy, sit down.

Now, can you tell me why you
hid the bodies of the boys

but left those of the
prostitutes out on display?

Yeah, I hid the boys because
I wanted to go back to them

to have sex with them,
but I kept them dry.

I stuck newspapers
up their arses

to keep the maggots out.

And the prostitutes?

Well, sex is a gift from God.

No man should pay for it.

I left them out
for everyone to see

the wrong they had done.

And what about
Sonia, your daughter?

I mean, that was different.

Yeah, she was my little girl.

I missed her so.

She told me she
was being abused.

By her stepfather?

Yeah, she should
have been with me.

He was hurting
her so I went from

Happy Valley to go get her.

Sorry, what's
that, Happy Valley?

It was a park near the beach.

I slept there.

It's a nice place for children.

They have fairies and lights

and I wanted to
show how nice it was

and I kept her safe there.

You killed her to keep her safe?

I slept next to
her and I held her,

we were very happy.

Is there anything you
want to ask me, Stewart?

Why did it take you
so long to catch me?

Why did we...

Well, I was tired of killing,

but I could never have
stopped until you stopped me.

Trust me, I know.

Don't cry.

So I tracked down
his blood mother.

Now that's a chat I
don't want to have again.

Telling a woman that
the baby she abandoned

more than 30 years ago
turned out to be a fine,

upstanding serial
killer and cannibal.

It's the news every
mother wants to hear, no?

She gonna see him?

Should take a holiday,
go lie by a pool,

have some cocktails, get
your toenails painted.

You know, get away
from work for a while.

- Sounds nice.
- So you should do it.

People worry about
you, you know?

You know why I can't
take that holiday?

You heard him.

He was never gonna
stop by himself.

It's down to us, to me.

There's always another
case coming in.

Another killer starting up,

dreaming, fantasising.

Those men are out there

and then

they're in here.

Can I help with anything?

No, it's ready.

- Oh, this smells great.
- Thank you, tuck in.

- Cheers.
- Cheers.

Mm, this is delicious.

The guy who makes it
is a real character.

How did your interview go?

Oh, it was useful, intense,

not completely what I expect-

I don't know.

The guy's committed
some of the worst crimes

I've ever heard about.

Sadistic.

He has no remorse for
what he's done, none.

And yet he's-

I can't imagine what those

families have gone through.

You know, he deserves
to fucking die.

If I ever met him, geez.

I couldn't be held responsible,
if you know what I mean?

Yeah.

I don't know how you even
were in the same room as him.

No, it's a very intense thing.

Hey, he's been freaking
out since last week,

but the governor only
called me yesterday.

Figured you might be able
to help calm him down.

Okay, sure.

Thanks for making it so quick.

Right.

So we've tried everything,

threats, persuasion,
withholding privileges.

- What privileges?
- Food.

- Hello, Stewart.
- Get back.

It's Micki, Stewart.

They're coming to get me.

You're safe here, Stewart.

No one can hurt you.

I know you feel scared.

You're safe here.

The sea, I wanna see
the sea. I want to see-

It's gonna burn me.

They're here, they're here.

Who's here? Who's here, Stewart?

There's acid coming
through the wall.

Through that wall.

Is there something
else there too?

Someone?

Yeah.

All of them.

Okay.

Okay. You are safe now.

Okay?

You are safe now, Stewart, Okay?

Please take me away.

No, it's okay.

You're safe here.

No one can hurt you.

I think you're very tired.

Do you think you're very tired?

Yeah.

Would you like to
have a lie down?

Yeah, I think it'd
make you feel better.

Come on now.

You think you could
do that for me?

Yeah, come on, good boy.

Go on, you can let go.

Oh, that's so good.

- Nice and cold.
- It's nice, isn't it?

Yes.

Yeah.

Just breathe.

He's seeing the people he killed

and I think he's reverted
to his childhood state.

He's in prison, but his
demons are still inside him.

He can't release them
by killing anymore.

Can't use that violence
to soothe his pain.

So they've turned on him.

Haven't they, Stewart?

You were a good boy.

You, you deserved it, you bitch!

Fuck you.

My love, I was
trying to save you.