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[Male Narrator] Between 2018
and 2022,
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three actresses were murdered
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during production
of the film Dissident
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by an individual known
as The Hollywood Killer.
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THK attempted a fourth murder
on actress Audrey Evans,
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who escaped and went on
to finish the film.
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The only evidence that exists
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is the footage of the murders
that THK filmed
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and outtakes
from the film Dissident.
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The case remains unsolved.
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[music continues]
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[unsettling music]
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Killing isn't as scary
as it sounds.
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When you do it enough,
you actually start to enjoy it.
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Cut, don't move, stay there.
Dustin,
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I got a question for you.
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- Are you a killer?
- Yes.
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Yeah? Let me see your eyes.
I can't see them.
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Look at me. Are you a killer?
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- Yes.
- Go back over there.
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- Are you a fucking killer?
- Yes.
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That's crazy 'cause I don't
fucking believe you.
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- Are you a killer?
- Yes.
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- Are you a killer?
- [aggressively] Yes.
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- You're a killer?
- Yes!
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- You're gonna kill for me?
- [tensed] Yes.
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- You're gonna kill for me?
- Yes.
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Okay. Wait.
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- Roll camera.
- [Man] [indistinct].
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[Director] You a killer, Dustin?
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[brooding] Yes.
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[Director] Action.
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Killing isn't as scary
as it sounds.
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When you do it enough,
you actually start to enjoy it.
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[classical strings music]
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[music obscures into eerie
and triumphant]
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[abstract piano music]
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[Thomas] My name
is Thomas Scott.
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I'm a former FBI agent.
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And when I was at the Bureau,
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I had the highest success rate
of any profiler in history.
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I caught
every single serial killer
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I ever chased, except for one.
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This one,
The Hollywood Killer.
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Also known as THK,
he became famous
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because of the cinematic nature
of his crimes.
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He was the first serial killer
ever to film the murders
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and upload them
to the Internet.
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But why is he so hard to catch?
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Is it the lack of evidence? No.
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I've solved plenty of cases
with very little evidence.
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The real challenge lies
in the unconventional
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and peculiar nature
of the suspects.
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And let me just say,
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this is the strangest group
of suspects I've ever seen.
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Christopher Pace,
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the writer
and director of Dissident
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and a six-time Oscar winner.
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Lawrence Hughes,
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one of the most respected
actors in the world.
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Tedd Mankiewicz,
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the most powerful manager
in Hollywood.
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Dustin Scott,
a former teen heartthrob.
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And Melvin Asher,
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the biggest
box office star ever.
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And one of them could be
responsible for the murders
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of three of the most famous
actresses in history.
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Ava Bergman, Barbera Ball,
and Greata Daniels.
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It's important to understand
what connects everyone.
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And the thing that links
the suspects,
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the victims, and the killer
all together
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is the film Dissident,
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a film which has made history
for a variety of reasons.
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The first being that
the original director,
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Christopher Demy,
did something
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that he had never
done before,
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that no one
had ever done before.
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He was going to let
the cameras roll
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when no one knew
they were rolling.
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The only people that knew
was the guy who loads the film
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and Ivan
who's shooting the film.
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The writer didn't know.
The actors didn't know.
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No one else knew.
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All of the outtakes
have become evidence
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in the largest murder case
in history.
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So Demy, right at
the beginning of the project,
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instructed me very clearly
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that the camera
was never to be cut.
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And, at first, it sounded
very strange.
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I've never done that before.
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I've shot everything
in my life.
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But not cutting a camera
just makes no sense.
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Now, he was right
because what he was after
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was the magic that happens
in between the shots,
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in between the takes.
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So this film shot
the most feet of film
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ever in history.
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The logistic is complicated,
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but the camera
was never to cut.
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So everything was rolling
at all times.
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[Thomas] So how do you feel
about the fact
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that the cameras were rolling
the whole time?
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Uh, you know, I think it's
ultimately, uh, irrelevant,
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how do I feel.
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Uh, clearly, I'm not
a performer.
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It's not what I get enjoyment
or pleasure out of.
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So I think that there's
this misconception
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about the way
that I conduct myself
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is, in and of itself,
a performance
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that I was aware that
the cameras were rolling.
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Uh, nothing could be further
from the truth.
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Uh, unfortunately,
what you are getting
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is, um, unadulterated,
uh, reality.
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You are getting me as I am
in those moments.
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Or I will make the blood
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come out of your fucking mouth
for real.
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You got it.
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[Christopher] You ever bled
like this?
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You.. Yeah.
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- Yeah? You bled like this?
- You already got it.
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Think about the last time
you bled like this, okay?
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Think about it.
Just think about it, okay?
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Again. Come on!
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[panicked breathing]
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- Yeah? Uh-huh. No, no!
- Okay, can I go?
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[Christopher] You got to stop
running away from it, okay?
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Don't be afraid of it!
Stay with it!
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Again!
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[panicked breathing]
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- [Christopher] Uh-huh.
- Okay--
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No, no. It looks like you're
going to have a fucking orgasm.
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Thank you, guys!
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[Christopher]
Get back down in the blood!
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Get the fuck
back in the blood!
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- [Greata] Bye!
- Greata, I swear to God!
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Come back here!
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If any of us knew the cameras
were rolling at all times,
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none of us would have acted
the way we did.
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I'm excited that
all this footage exists,
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because it shows you the hell
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that we go through
just to entertain people.
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- Marty? Marty!
- [Marty] Yeah.
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Listen to me.
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I can feel your effort
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to drive straight through
the rubber and aluminum.
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Do not drive like an actor,
Marty!
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[Actress] Hold the window.
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- Do not drive like an actor!
- [Actress] Go away!
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- Drive like a fucking man!
- [Actress] Go away!
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Drive like a man!
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In the history of movie making,
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I've never seen anything
like this happen.
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I mean, I've made 218 movies.
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I've filmed in 40 countries
in the world.
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I've had six fucking wives,
and this is unprecedented.
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You can't talk
about Hollywood lore
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without talking
about three films.
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Apocalypse Now, The Wizard
of Oz, and Dissident.
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But to understand why
Dissident is on that list,
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we have to meet
the original architect,
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Christopher Demy.
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[Thomas] Can you tell me
a little bit
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about who you are
and what you do?
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I'm an auteur.
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You know what that means?
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That means someone who has
a clear vision
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of the kind of films
they want to make.
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And the films I make are big,
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and people seem to like them.
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[Thomas] Demy is one of
the top-grossing directors
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of all time,
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but Dissident was written
by one
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of the hottest screenwriters
in the world,
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Christopher Pace.
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So I was excited to ask Pace
what he thought about Demy.
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He's a lost little boy.
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Um, still playing with toys,
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believing that big explosions
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and, uh, rotating cameras
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and putting things in reverse
make a film.
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He is an artist
in search of art.
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Um, I don't know what to say
about that.
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I will let the hearsay,
the pundits, the Internet,
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your mama,
say whatever they want to say.
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I know who I am.
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It's easy to say they're not
fans of each other.
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Maybe the biggest issue
between them was the fact
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that Demy
kept the cameras rolling
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without Pace's knowledge.
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Pace claimed that Demy used
the controversy
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around the outtakes
and their feud
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to turn the film
into a social commentary.
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So I asked him,
"What does it mean?"
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Everyone wants to know,
"What does it mean?
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What does it mean?"
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It's whatever the fuck
you want it to mean.
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It's like, what the fuck?
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I'm not supposed to do
all the work for you.
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I'm supposed to lay out the art.
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I know what the fuck
I know what it means,
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but people, "But wait,
was it this?"
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They stop me on the street.
I can't go to Starbucks.
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"Hi, hey, Chris, is it this?"
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I'm like, "I don't know."
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It could mean
female independence.
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It could mean liberation.
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It could mean,
uh, deconstructive masculinity.
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You name it.
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Whatever it is,
that's what I'm happy with.
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I create the art.
You create the interpretation.
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All I know is that what I did
on this film
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will be deconstructed,
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and reinterpreted, and pondered
for many, many years
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in film schools
across this land.
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I was there the day Demy
walked away from the film.
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It was the day
that I would never forget
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and it was the day
that changed the film forever.
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The phone booth day.
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Listen to me, Demy!
How about that?
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How about if I just talked
to you
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and told you
that I am not a writer,
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nor am I a hero?
I am the fucking devil!
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Yeah, two Oscars.
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I melted 'em down into a pen
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and I wrote this fucking script
with it!
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I don't give a fuck
about your Oscars!
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And if you could honestly
tell me that this scene,
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the way it's going,
the way he's doing it,
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isn't fucking dog shit,
then I will walk away
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and let you piss all over
my dream.
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I won't shoot until you get down
on your knees and pray to me.
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You want to get a new phone
booth in here, maybe?
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So after we wrap tonight,
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I'm going to come
to your fucking hotel room,
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room 246,
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and I will beat you
until you fucking love me!
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[Demy] You're not a fucking...
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You see that? That was...
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[Demy] You're fucking trash.
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You fucking ingest it
over and over again
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while I'm throwing the fuck up
on you.
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I'm fucking vomiting it all
back to you!
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You're fucked up!
That's not fucking art!
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Fuck you! Fuck you!
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Oh, in the beginning,
Demy and Pace were a dream team.
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They were great.
They got along really well.
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But, you know, even Pippen
talks shit on Jordan now.
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I hate this man.
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- Mm-hmm.
- I would love to beat him.
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The only reason I can't is
because of...
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Well, some obscure DJ law,
you're not supposed
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to fucking kick the shit
out of [indistinct]
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Um, this is
an awful environment,
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and I apologize for that.
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[Martin] The moment Pace
walked into that phone booth
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was the moment Demy walked
off set.
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Forever.
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When Demy quit,
Hollywood was riddled
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with speculation as to why
this massive director
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would walk
from such a big movie.
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Those people have
no idea where I come from
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and the kind of worlds
that I create
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and the kind
of sets that I create.
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The real reason why I quit is
because I just couldn't take
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working with Pace.
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So I left the film,
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and the press
labeled me as a monster.
281
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You know, I'm not
even gonna name the monsters,
282
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but there are many monsters
in this industry
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and I'm definitely not one
of them.
284
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At this point, we were
three weeks behind schedule
285
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after two weeks of shooting.
286
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You do that math.
287
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I knew from the first
production meeting
288
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that Pace and Demy would never
be able to work together.
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The only one who understands
Dissident is Pace.
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[Christopher] You'll never be
able to understand Dissident
291
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without understanding
a theatrical technique
292
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called theater of cruelty.
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That is what Dissident is.
294
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Dissident is theater
of cruelty.
295
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The principle conceit
of theater of cruelty
296
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was to create
theatrical pieces
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that were so shocking,
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that were so upsetting,
grotesque, uh, and powerful
299
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that the audience did not
have the opportunity to think.
300
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They had nothing to do
but live, but to exist,
301
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but to experience
what they were seeing.
302
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I told Demy,
just like I told Mocker,
303
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just like I told Mankiewicz,
304
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that nobody could shoot this
movie but me.
305
00:14:30,169 --> 00:14:32,872
And yet Demy, finding himself
306
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caught between the Scylla
and Charybdis,
307
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the crashing rocks
of my creation
308
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and the sea monster
of trying to interpret it,
309
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he realizes that he's drowning
and he starts a fight with me.
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He wanted a reason
to walk off that set.
311
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And I gave it to him.
312
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So when Demy quit before he
walked out of the set,
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he pulled me aside
and he made me promise
314
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that I would keep rolling
the camera in between takes.
315
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So I did.
316
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We started working together.
317
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You said one thing, you said,
"I make it look good," okay?
318
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But this does not look good.
319
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You don't let me make it
look good.
320
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I don't let you?
How could I stop you?
321
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You choose the lenses.
322
00:15:13,545 --> 00:15:15,814
Of course I'm gonna choose
the lenses.
323
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This is my fucking film.
It is my job.
324
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- It's my lens, though.
- No, no, no.
325
00:15:19,351 --> 00:15:21,887
I feel like you really struggle
with object permanence, okay?
326
00:15:21,887 --> 00:15:23,522
It's not your lens.
327
00:15:23,522 --> 00:15:27,326
What Demy didn't know
when he asked Ivan to do this
328
00:15:27,326 --> 00:15:30,696
was that this footage would
lead to Christopher Pace
329
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being a murder suspect
and would soon be part
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of one of the largest
murder investigations
331
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in Hollywood history.
332
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But let's start
with Pace taking over
333
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as the director
of Dissident.
334
00:15:43,776 --> 00:15:44,910
You're here, right?
335
00:15:44,910 --> 00:15:46,845
Like this and then boom,
like that.
336
00:15:46,845 --> 00:15:48,113
- Did you see me?
- Yeah.
337
00:15:48,113 --> 00:15:50,482
But it's a motion! It comes up!
338
00:15:50,482 --> 00:15:51,483
Ow!
339
00:15:51,483 --> 00:15:54,420
I still remember the day
that Pace took over.
340
00:15:54,853 --> 00:15:56,855
It is a day that will live
in infamy
341
00:15:56,855 --> 00:15:59,625
as the worst day of my life.
342
00:16:00,059 --> 00:16:01,694
Give me your hand.
This one, right here.
343
00:16:01,694 --> 00:16:02,561
- All right, ready?
- Yeah.
344
00:16:02,561 --> 00:16:03,929
- Put your finger out like that.
- Yeah.
345
00:16:03,929 --> 00:16:05,798
All right?
Now I want you to poke me.
346
00:16:05,798 --> 00:16:06,899
Poke me. Come on. Poke me.
347
00:16:06,899 --> 00:16:08,567
- Yeah, there we go. Uh-huh.
- Mm-hmm.
348
00:16:08,567 --> 00:16:10,135
- It's getting difficult, right?
- Yeah.
349
00:16:10,135 --> 00:16:11,670
- Why don't you fucking poke me?
- [grunts aggressively]
350
00:16:11,670 --> 00:16:12,705
Right? Okay.
351
00:16:12,705 --> 00:16:15,474
Now I want you to ask me to do
the same thing.
352
00:16:15,474 --> 00:16:18,210
I want you to poke me.
Ah, fucker!
353
00:16:18,210 --> 00:16:19,979
- Stop trying to win, Dustin.
- God damn.
354
00:16:19,979 --> 00:16:21,480
And fucking listen to me.
355
00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,749
Pace made my life a living hell.
356
00:16:23,749 --> 00:16:26,352
I remember getting a call
from Dustin's manager
357
00:16:26,352 --> 00:16:29,121
saying that he was trying
to kill him with a helicopter.
358
00:16:29,121 --> 00:16:37,429
[triumphant music]
359
00:16:37,730 --> 00:16:39,031
Personally, I thought
360
00:16:39,031 --> 00:16:41,000
the helicopter
should have been closer,
361
00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,036
but the film industry
is full of pussies.
362
00:16:44,503 --> 00:16:48,007
Pace is one of the smartest
directors out there.
363
00:16:48,007 --> 00:16:51,010
He knows everything
about everything in film.
364
00:16:51,010 --> 00:16:52,411
He did his homework.
365
00:16:52,411 --> 00:16:55,180
He's a contemporary
of Tarantino in that way.
366
00:16:55,180 --> 00:16:57,082
He's younger,
but he's as smart,
367
00:16:57,082 --> 00:16:59,218
and he has a really,
really deep perception.
368
00:16:59,218 --> 00:17:01,620
He used the neorealist aspect
369
00:17:01,620 --> 00:17:07,459
in order to reinvent cinema
from himself.
370
00:17:07,459 --> 00:17:10,195
And here's something that Pace
said to me at one point,
371
00:17:10,195 --> 00:17:11,563
which I think is interesting.
372
00:17:11,563 --> 00:17:13,632
There's a quote from Chaplin,
famous quote.
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Life when viewed in close-up
is a tragedy,
374
00:17:18,303 --> 00:17:21,673
and in long shot,
it is a, uh, a comedy.
375
00:17:21,673 --> 00:17:24,343
Pace said to me,
"Chaplin got it wrong.
376
00:17:24,343 --> 00:17:26,111
"In close-up, it's a comedy.
377
00:17:26,111 --> 00:17:29,214
In long shot,
that's when it's a tragedy."
378
00:17:29,214 --> 00:17:30,916
The thing
that people don't realize
379
00:17:30,916 --> 00:17:32,418
is they're just
playing checkers.
380
00:17:32,418 --> 00:17:35,287
Pace is playing
four-dimensional chess.
381
00:17:35,287 --> 00:17:36,855
[Christopher] Okay, Zeus,
I need you
382
00:17:36,855 --> 00:17:39,058
in conversation with the wind.
383
00:17:39,058 --> 00:17:41,126
I want you to think about, uh,
384
00:17:41,126 --> 00:17:43,362
it's like
My Dinner with Andre.
385
00:17:43,362 --> 00:17:46,098
Give me Wallace Shawn!
386
00:17:46,098 --> 00:17:48,333
That's beautiful!
Beautiful work.
387
00:17:48,333 --> 00:17:50,969
Okay, Audrey,
I want you to know
388
00:17:50,969 --> 00:17:52,638
that the helicopter pilot
389
00:17:52,638 --> 00:17:56,442
has a better understanding
of human emotion than you do.
390
00:17:56,442 --> 00:17:58,710
You're a titan of banality!
391
00:17:58,710 --> 00:18:01,814
Hey, you know what, Ivan?
Ivan, I don't...
392
00:18:01,814 --> 00:18:04,049
Just film something.
I don't even care anymore.
393
00:18:04,049 --> 00:18:05,584
Just shoot it.
394
00:18:05,884 --> 00:18:10,155
Every director has their tactic,
their, their method.
395
00:18:10,155 --> 00:18:13,392
And Pace says
he's a Meisner guy,
396
00:18:13,392 --> 00:18:14,593
and he's really method,
397
00:18:14,593 --> 00:18:17,663
and he likes to exist
in the, the situation.
398
00:18:17,663 --> 00:18:21,500
But, really, his tactics
are a lot like Mein Kampf,
399
00:18:21,500 --> 00:18:22,901
you know, like, like Hitler.
400
00:18:22,901 --> 00:18:25,971
Like, he's the son of Hitler,
I'm pretty sure.
401
00:18:25,971 --> 00:18:29,641
We get these
constant comparisons
402
00:18:29,641 --> 00:18:35,447
to the Fourth Reich,
to the Nazis, to Hitler.
403
00:18:35,447 --> 00:18:38,283
Um, when these comparisons
are made,
404
00:18:38,283 --> 00:18:39,751
it's about methodology, right?
405
00:18:39,751 --> 00:18:41,653
Because the prevailing
mythology
406
00:18:41,653 --> 00:18:45,457
around the fascists is,
yes, they were awful,
407
00:18:45,457 --> 00:18:48,060
yes, they were brutes,
yes, they were genocidal,
408
00:18:48,060 --> 00:18:51,363
but the trains ran on time,
but they got things done.
409
00:18:51,363 --> 00:18:54,733
So I get this comparison,
I assume,
410
00:18:54,733 --> 00:18:57,302
because the idea
is that I am brutal,
411
00:18:57,302 --> 00:18:58,637
but I get things done.
412
00:18:58,637 --> 00:19:03,242
Well, I get things done
not because of cruelty,
413
00:19:03,242 --> 00:19:07,913
not because I am willing
to wipe out people
414
00:19:07,913 --> 00:19:10,249
in order to accomplish
my goals, no, no, no.
415
00:19:10,249 --> 00:19:13,952
It is perpetual motion.
It is Oppenheim.
416
00:19:13,952 --> 00:19:15,487
I am become death.
417
00:19:15,754 --> 00:19:18,257
Because once something
has, uh, begun,
418
00:19:18,257 --> 00:19:20,325
once, once the ball
is rolling,
419
00:19:20,325 --> 00:19:22,961
it has to reach
its conclusion.
420
00:19:23,328 --> 00:19:25,664
And that is, that is how I work.
421
00:19:25,664 --> 00:19:29,535
Once I have begun,
uh, I will not be stopped.
422
00:19:29,968 --> 00:19:32,070
This is not about you.
You know what is about you?
423
00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:33,939
This moment, this scene, okay?
424
00:19:33,939 --> 00:19:35,240
So I want you to focus on that.
425
00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:36,909
I don't give a shit about
anything else around it.
426
00:19:36,909 --> 00:19:38,110
No, no, no. This.
427
00:19:38,110 --> 00:19:39,344
You know why I put
the gloves on?
428
00:19:39,344 --> 00:19:40,512
- No.
- So that I can hurt you
429
00:19:40,512 --> 00:19:42,214
without leaving marks
on my skin.
430
00:19:42,581 --> 00:19:44,983
Pace didn't care
what the scene was.
431
00:19:44,983 --> 00:19:47,953
I mean, hell, he'd have walked
in on the birth of Christ
432
00:19:47,953 --> 00:19:49,288
and given Mary instructions
433
00:19:49,288 --> 00:19:51,924
how she could do it better
and with more meaning.
434
00:19:51,924 --> 00:19:53,292
You know what, Dustin?
435
00:19:53,292 --> 00:19:55,360
I've been watching the monitor
and it seems to me
436
00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:57,229
that you're starting
to perspire.
437
00:19:57,229 --> 00:19:59,398
Does that seem accurate to you?
438
00:19:59,665 --> 00:20:01,333
I'm having an issue
with the sweat.
439
00:20:01,333 --> 00:20:02,534
I need you to stop that.
440
00:20:02,534 --> 00:20:04,336
I mean, for us,
a cut was never a cut.
441
00:20:04,336 --> 00:20:06,672
We just kept the camera rolling
all the time
442
00:20:06,672 --> 00:20:08,140
because we got
some great stuff,
443
00:20:08,140 --> 00:20:09,841
because Pace
was compelling people
444
00:20:09,841 --> 00:20:12,778
to do things they might not
have wanted to do.
445
00:20:13,111 --> 00:20:17,449
Yeah, Pace had a way of taking
anything and everything
446
00:20:17,449 --> 00:20:18,784
that brought you joy
447
00:20:18,784 --> 00:20:20,786
and just drowning it
in darkness.
448
00:20:20,786 --> 00:20:22,421
- Are you crying?
- No, I'm not crying--
449
00:20:22,421 --> 00:20:25,090
No, no, no. No, no.
There's no crying.
450
00:20:25,090 --> 00:20:26,625
There's no crying in filmmaking!
451
00:20:26,625 --> 00:20:28,560
No! There's no crying in film!
452
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,463
There is crying on film!
On film, never in film.
453
00:20:32,531 --> 00:20:35,601
What I say to my actors
454
00:20:37,402 --> 00:20:39,171
is between us.
455
00:20:39,171 --> 00:20:42,074
It has no bearing on anything
456
00:20:42,507 --> 00:20:45,377
but what you see
in that frame.
457
00:20:45,844 --> 00:20:47,646
There's a lot of tension
between you guys.
458
00:20:47,646 --> 00:20:49,014
[loud helicopter chuffing]
459
00:20:49,014 --> 00:20:51,450
Normally that would be okay.
In this section, not good.
460
00:20:51,450 --> 00:20:53,518
Okay? So I need you to release
the tension.
461
00:20:53,518 --> 00:20:54,886
At the end of the next take,
462
00:20:54,886 --> 00:20:57,990
I just want the two of you guys
to just have sex, okay?
463
00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:59,391
And we're gonna film it,
464
00:20:59,391 --> 00:21:01,460
but be prepared to stop
and start
465
00:21:01,460 --> 00:21:04,296
because I will have adjustments
specifically for you.
466
00:21:04,296 --> 00:21:06,298
Hey, pay attention, okay?
467
00:21:06,298 --> 00:21:08,433
Pace is one
of the most mysterious people
468
00:21:08,433 --> 00:21:09,601
I've ever investigated.
469
00:21:09,601 --> 00:21:12,170
He's an orphan with no family,
470
00:21:12,170 --> 00:21:15,407
no friends,
and no discernible past.
471
00:21:15,407 --> 00:21:19,444
In fact, the only person
we could find to interview
472
00:21:19,444 --> 00:21:22,180
who knew him
before he was famous
473
00:21:22,180 --> 00:21:23,715
was his college roommate.
474
00:21:24,883 --> 00:21:26,318
My name is Randall Birch.
475
00:21:26,318 --> 00:21:27,719
I'm a Tony Award-winning actor.
476
00:21:27,719 --> 00:21:30,355
That means I perform
on the stage.
477
00:21:30,622 --> 00:21:33,558
And Christopher Pace
was my college roommate.
478
00:21:33,558 --> 00:21:36,395
I would describe
living with Christopher Pace
479
00:21:36,395 --> 00:21:41,199
as, as a FOG:
Fear, Obligation, Guilt.
480
00:21:41,199 --> 00:21:44,169
He was masterful
at getting anyone
481
00:21:44,169 --> 00:21:45,671
besides myself, I would say,
482
00:21:45,671 --> 00:21:49,841
to do exactly what he wanted,
no matter how depraved.
483
00:21:49,841 --> 00:21:52,577
They were like cult members,
and he was a cult leader.
484
00:21:52,577 --> 00:21:56,682
When I saw the first video
posted on social media of Ava,
485
00:21:56,682 --> 00:22:00,485
I immediately called the LAPD,
and I told them,
486
00:22:00,485 --> 00:22:02,888
Christopher Pace is the one
that did this murder.
487
00:22:02,888 --> 00:22:05,657
It was filmed exactly like how
Christopher would film
488
00:22:05,657 --> 00:22:07,559
everything that went on
in our house.
489
00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:10,362
I think it's fascinating
that we've had
490
00:22:10,362 --> 00:22:12,698
famous serial killers
throughout time,
491
00:22:12,698 --> 00:22:16,501
and yet no one else filmed
the act.
492
00:22:17,536 --> 00:22:22,741
I think the idea
that Christopher Pace did that
493
00:22:23,108 --> 00:22:25,110
makes a lot of sense to me.
494
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:26,278
I can tell you this.
495
00:22:26,278 --> 00:22:29,348
Pace is definitely a murderer.
496
00:22:29,781 --> 00:22:31,550
I just don't know
if he's the murderer.
497
00:22:31,550 --> 00:22:34,152
I will stab you
in the fucking throat, Tedd.
498
00:22:34,152 --> 00:22:35,387
- I will do it. Okay?
- Do it.
499
00:22:35,387 --> 00:22:36,555
You'll never work again. Do it.
500
00:22:36,555 --> 00:22:38,123
I don't need to work.
I could work in prison.
501
00:22:38,123 --> 00:22:39,324
I'd put on a prison play
502
00:22:39,324 --> 00:22:40,659
that would win a fucking Oscar,
all right?
503
00:22:40,659 --> 00:22:42,260
And I would fuck
all the inmates.
504
00:22:42,260 --> 00:22:44,496
Is he out of his fucking mind?
505
00:22:44,496 --> 00:22:45,931
No doubt about it.
506
00:22:45,931 --> 00:22:49,935
But when you're a genius,
people have to tolerate you.
507
00:22:50,235 --> 00:22:52,270
And that's what Pace is.
508
00:22:52,270 --> 00:22:53,839
He's a genius.
509
00:22:54,106 --> 00:22:57,476
I am all things to all people.
510
00:22:58,510 --> 00:23:00,512
I am Mother.
511
00:23:00,512 --> 00:23:02,414
I am Father.
512
00:23:02,748 --> 00:23:07,586
I am killer, I am saint,
I am devil, I am savior.
513
00:23:07,986 --> 00:23:12,724
I am Idi Amin
and I am also Gandhi.
514
00:23:12,724 --> 00:23:15,026
- You know what this is?
- That's film.
515
00:23:15,026 --> 00:23:16,161
Yeah, this is the film
516
00:23:16,161 --> 00:23:17,796
from that really tight
profile shot I got of you.
517
00:23:17,796 --> 00:23:19,431
I just ripped it out
of the fucking camera.
518
00:23:19,431 --> 00:23:20,832
- You know why I did that?
- No.
519
00:23:20,832 --> 00:23:23,335
Because I can't fucking use it.
520
00:23:23,335 --> 00:23:25,737
I can't use any of this shit,
Dustin.
521
00:23:25,737 --> 00:23:27,973
Because Pace didn't start
as the director,
522
00:23:27,973 --> 00:23:30,108
he didn't get to choose
the cast.
523
00:23:30,108 --> 00:23:34,012
But the one person he did get
was Ava Bergman.
524
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,649
I ain't afraid of dying.
525
00:23:37,649 --> 00:23:39,518
I already done it.
526
00:23:42,521 --> 00:23:44,990
Ava was Pace's muse.
527
00:23:44,990 --> 00:23:48,160
The whole movie, the whole
concept of the movie was her.
528
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,697
I don't want to say that I wrote
the role for her
529
00:23:52,697 --> 00:23:56,001
because I don't write roles
for actors.
530
00:23:56,001 --> 00:23:59,604
I am, I am haunted
by a character.
531
00:23:59,604 --> 00:24:02,507
They live inside my, my brain.
532
00:24:02,507 --> 00:24:04,109
Uh, they destroy my life.
533
00:24:04,109 --> 00:24:09,047
And then to prevent suicide,
I write them onto a paper.
534
00:24:09,047 --> 00:24:13,251
And when I finished
with this, with this woman,
535
00:24:13,251 --> 00:24:14,453
uh, she was Ava.
536
00:24:14,453 --> 00:24:15,754
Talk to me. What do you need?
537
00:24:15,754 --> 00:24:18,190
Uh, I'm just not sure that I...
538
00:24:18,190 --> 00:24:20,258
- What?
- Okay. Um--
539
00:24:20,258 --> 00:24:21,426
You're not sure that what?
540
00:24:21,426 --> 00:24:24,863
That I really understand, uh,
the character at this point.
541
00:24:24,863 --> 00:24:27,365
You are the character.
What is there to understand?
542
00:24:27,365 --> 00:24:28,900
She was his Scarlet Empress.
543
00:24:28,900 --> 00:24:33,772
She was his Marlene Dietrich
to Josef von Sternberg.
544
00:24:33,772 --> 00:24:36,341
If von Sternberg
had lost Dietrich,
545
00:24:36,341 --> 00:24:38,076
this would have been
a big hole
546
00:24:38,076 --> 00:24:39,244
in the history of cinema
547
00:24:39,244 --> 00:24:42,581
uh, and some images that were
amazing and shocking.
548
00:24:42,581 --> 00:24:46,651
I think it was a real blow,
um, to Pace
549
00:24:46,651 --> 00:24:47,886
uh, when this happened.
550
00:24:47,886 --> 00:24:51,423
And I think that it turned him
551
00:24:51,423 --> 00:24:54,092
into a dissident
toward his own movie,
552
00:24:54,092 --> 00:24:55,260
which was Dissident.
553
00:24:55,260 --> 00:24:56,962
Quit ripping the film
out of the fucking camera!
554
00:24:56,962 --> 00:24:58,663
What are you going to use
it for, Tedd?
555
00:24:58,663 --> 00:24:59,865
Quit ripping the fuckin' film!
556
00:24:59,865 --> 00:25:01,700
What do you want me
to do with it, Tedd?
557
00:25:01,700 --> 00:25:03,068
At least look at the dailies,
motherfucker!
558
00:25:03,068 --> 00:25:04,936
I don't need to see the dailies!
I do all the scenes, Tedd!
559
00:25:04,936 --> 00:25:07,772
[Melvin] People think Pace's
issues started with Barbera,
560
00:25:07,772 --> 00:25:09,441
but the fact of the matter is
561
00:25:09,441 --> 00:25:11,977
it wasn't all sunshine
and rainbows with Ava, either.
562
00:25:11,977 --> 00:25:15,146
Pace was in pursuit
of perfection.
563
00:25:15,146 --> 00:25:18,450
And from what I saw,
Ava couldn't give it to him.
564
00:25:18,450 --> 00:25:19,885
- I think we can drill down...
- Okay.
565
00:25:19,885 --> 00:25:21,353
...and start doing
something interesting.
566
00:25:21,353 --> 00:25:24,556
I need, I need, I need somebody,
I need somebody to literally,
567
00:25:24,556 --> 00:25:25,891
like, call my therapist
568
00:25:25,891 --> 00:25:27,659
because, like, she knows that
when I'm stressed out,
569
00:25:27,659 --> 00:25:29,027
like, I need, like,
a breathing exercise...
570
00:25:29,027 --> 00:25:31,396
I think you need to act
when you're stressed out.
571
00:25:31,396 --> 00:25:32,797
I think you need to let it go.
572
00:25:32,797 --> 00:25:33,965
No, I don't think that I should.
573
00:25:33,965 --> 00:25:35,467
This is beautiful,
but you gotta let it out.
574
00:25:35,467 --> 00:25:39,838
From my research, Pace never
had an issue with her acting.
575
00:25:39,838 --> 00:25:42,274
He had an issue
with her boyfriend,
576
00:25:42,274 --> 00:25:44,142
a man who many people say
577
00:25:44,142 --> 00:25:46,478
is the greatest actor
of all time.
578
00:25:46,478 --> 00:25:49,614
Our next suspect,
Lawrence Hughes.
579
00:25:50,715 --> 00:25:53,652
Welcome to the picture show!
580
00:25:53,652 --> 00:25:56,054
[reel buzzing]
581
00:25:56,054 --> 00:25:59,324
Lawrence is a unique suspect
for three reasons.
582
00:25:59,324 --> 00:26:03,061
Number one, he was not
in the film, Dissident.
583
00:26:03,061 --> 00:26:05,664
Two, I was not able
to interview him
584
00:26:05,664 --> 00:26:08,900
while at the FBI
or for this documentary.
585
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,203
And, finally,
the day before Ava's murder,
586
00:26:12,203 --> 00:26:15,941
he disappeared
and has not been seen since.
587
00:26:16,608 --> 00:26:18,310
So to understand Lawrence,
588
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:21,580
let's start with
his relationship with Pace.
589
00:26:22,180 --> 00:26:24,382
The only way to describe
Lawrence and Pace
590
00:26:24,382 --> 00:26:26,217
is the same type of relationship
591
00:26:26,217 --> 00:26:28,553
that Werner Herzog had
with Klaus Kinski.
592
00:26:28,553 --> 00:26:31,156
Herzog and Kinski were at each
other's throats all the time.
593
00:26:31,156 --> 00:26:33,792
They fought constantly.
They pulled guns on each other.
594
00:26:33,792 --> 00:26:35,327
They threatened
to kill each other,
595
00:26:35,327 --> 00:26:36,828
walk off movies, et cetera.
596
00:26:36,828 --> 00:26:42,000
But they made five films
together between 1972 and '87.
597
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,269
And they were good, good movies.
598
00:26:44,269 --> 00:26:46,805
Lawrence and Pace
made The Last Great Actor,
599
00:26:46,805 --> 00:26:48,573
which some people consider
600
00:26:48,573 --> 00:26:51,543
to be the greatest film
ever made.
601
00:26:51,843 --> 00:26:54,913
And often compared
to Citizen Kane.
602
00:26:54,913 --> 00:26:58,149
But the truth is,
without Lawrence's star power,
603
00:26:58,149 --> 00:27:00,151
there wouldn't have been
a film.
604
00:27:00,151 --> 00:27:03,888
And without that film,
there would be no Pace.
605
00:27:04,289 --> 00:27:07,092
Reality is that movie wouldn't
have been made without him.
606
00:27:07,092 --> 00:27:08,727
I was nobody.
607
00:27:08,727 --> 00:27:11,296
And he took a massive risk
by signing on to it.
608
00:27:11,596 --> 00:27:14,132
And despite everything that's
happened between us since,
609
00:27:14,132 --> 00:27:16,301
I will always be grateful
to him for that.
610
00:27:16,301 --> 00:27:19,771
[Ivan] When Lawrence signed on
to do The Last Great Actor,
611
00:27:19,771 --> 00:27:21,139
I was shocked.
612
00:27:21,139 --> 00:27:26,144
Um, he had not done a movie
that small in a long time.
613
00:27:26,144 --> 00:27:28,480
Lawrence is great
in every movie he does.
614
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,851
But in this one, he delivered
the performance of a lifetime.
615
00:27:33,151 --> 00:27:36,888
When I was a kid, you know,
I had this little bunk bed.
616
00:27:36,888 --> 00:27:40,392
And my, uh, my brother
would sleep underneath me.
617
00:27:42,193 --> 00:27:44,262
So I climbed down one night.
I couldn't sleep.
618
00:27:44,262 --> 00:27:45,897
I was thinking
about scary stuff, you know?
619
00:27:45,897 --> 00:27:51,202
And, uh, there's this little
sculpture of a rattlesnake.
620
00:27:51,202 --> 00:27:53,772
It was my dad's favorite,
favorite sculpture.
621
00:27:53,772 --> 00:27:56,441
He got it in Arizona.
I don't know.
622
00:27:56,908 --> 00:27:58,777
I wanted to see it.
I wanted to play with it.
623
00:27:58,777 --> 00:28:01,312
So I grabbed it down
and I looked at it.
624
00:28:01,312 --> 00:28:04,649
And all of a sudden,
it slipped from my hands
625
00:28:04,649 --> 00:28:07,152
and just shattered
into a million pieces.
626
00:28:09,421 --> 00:28:11,322
All of a sudden, my...
627
00:28:11,623 --> 00:28:13,291
My dad flings open the door
628
00:28:13,291 --> 00:28:16,728
and he makes his face
just like this.
629
00:28:16,728 --> 00:28:18,797
And his hands got so big!
630
00:28:18,797 --> 00:28:21,900
And then he started wailing
on me and my brother!
631
00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:24,469
Just beating
the living piss out of us!
632
00:28:24,469 --> 00:28:26,971
And my brother's
in the corner of the bed just,
633
00:28:26,971 --> 00:28:30,942
"Ah! Dad! No, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no!
634
00:28:32,010 --> 00:28:33,945
No!"
635
00:28:34,379 --> 00:28:37,382
And then my dad just shuts
the door and he leaves!
636
00:28:38,717 --> 00:28:40,985
And there's my brother, Luke,
637
00:28:40,985 --> 00:28:45,323
and he's in the corner,
and he's just like, "Why?
638
00:28:45,323 --> 00:28:47,492
"Why would he do that?
639
00:28:47,492 --> 00:28:50,195
"Why would he come in
in the middle of the night
640
00:28:50,195 --> 00:28:52,831
and just beat the shit
out of us?"
641
00:28:52,831 --> 00:28:55,567
And I knew why,
because I was fucking around,
642
00:28:55,567 --> 00:28:57,268
but he never knew.
643
00:28:59,738 --> 00:29:01,706
I never told him.
644
00:29:02,006 --> 00:29:04,743
[heavy breathing]
Even to this day,
645
00:29:04,743 --> 00:29:06,244
I've never told him.
646
00:29:09,114 --> 00:29:10,882
Some people say
that is the greatest scene
647
00:29:10,882 --> 00:29:12,350
in film history.
648
00:29:12,350 --> 00:29:14,085
Their words, not mine.
649
00:29:14,552 --> 00:29:17,622
I have written the greatest
scene in film history.
650
00:29:17,622 --> 00:29:19,257
But it's not that one.
651
00:29:20,492 --> 00:29:21,793
After The Last Great Actor,
652
00:29:21,793 --> 00:29:24,028
everyone thought
that Lawrence and Pace
653
00:29:24,028 --> 00:29:27,398
were, you know, the next
Scorsese and De Niro.
654
00:29:27,398 --> 00:29:29,567
They made the film
for $1 million
655
00:29:29,567 --> 00:29:33,037
and it grossed $120 million.
656
00:29:33,037 --> 00:29:36,274
Despite the success of the film,
both men swore
657
00:29:36,274 --> 00:29:38,676
that they would never
work together again.
658
00:29:38,676 --> 00:29:41,946
In fact, no one who has
ever worked with Lawrence
659
00:29:41,946 --> 00:29:44,249
will work with him
a second time.
660
00:29:44,249 --> 00:29:46,751
And it's not
because people hate him.
661
00:29:46,751 --> 00:29:49,220
It's because they are scared
of him.
662
00:29:49,220 --> 00:29:52,357
Lawrence's talent
is his biggest enemy.
663
00:29:52,357 --> 00:29:53,725
[sobbing]
664
00:29:53,992 --> 00:29:56,194
I mean, about what anybody else
knows about him,
665
00:29:56,194 --> 00:29:59,898
he's probably the most talented
actor that's ever existed.
666
00:29:59,898 --> 00:30:02,033
This guy's dedication
to his craft
667
00:30:02,033 --> 00:30:04,435
and to the arts
is second to none.
668
00:30:04,435 --> 00:30:06,471
Lawrence is dedicated
to performance.
669
00:30:06,471 --> 00:30:08,740
Man, if there's one guy
I've always been looking up to,
670
00:30:08,740 --> 00:30:10,074
it's him.
671
00:30:10,074 --> 00:30:13,378
I discovered Lawrence
when he was nine years old.
672
00:30:13,378 --> 00:30:15,613
Sometimes, I wish
I really didn't
673
00:30:15,613 --> 00:30:18,750
because he never had a chance
to live a normal life.
674
00:30:18,750 --> 00:30:20,451
And I feel guilty
because of that.
675
00:30:20,451 --> 00:30:23,621
Yeah, I think he had
unrealistic expectations
676
00:30:23,621 --> 00:30:25,423
put on him from an early age.
677
00:30:25,423 --> 00:30:28,226
And although he fulfilled them
with talent,
678
00:30:28,226 --> 00:30:31,563
in his own body,
he never felt like himself.
679
00:30:32,063 --> 00:30:34,265
[Christopher] Why is Lawrence
a great actor?
680
00:30:34,265 --> 00:30:37,035
Uh, is it
because he wins many awards?
681
00:30:37,035 --> 00:30:39,437
Is it because
he commits himself
682
00:30:39,437 --> 00:30:42,040
to the roles to the detriment
of himself
683
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,809
and to everyone around him?
No, no, no, no.
684
00:30:44,809 --> 00:30:46,711
The hardest thing
for any actor to do
685
00:30:46,711 --> 00:30:48,246
is to lose themselves,
686
00:30:48,246 --> 00:30:51,182
to give up their own humanity
in place of the characters.
687
00:30:51,182 --> 00:30:55,019
Lawrence is great because he
has no self to lose.
688
00:30:55,019 --> 00:30:57,488
Lawrence is not a human being.
689
00:30:57,488 --> 00:30:58,790
He is an empty shell.
690
00:30:58,790 --> 00:31:00,758
Regardless of what you see
on screen,
691
00:31:00,758 --> 00:31:03,261
he is simply not there.
692
00:31:03,261 --> 00:31:07,232
Which is why he's able to do
anything once the camera rolls.
693
00:31:07,232 --> 00:31:11,369
The second you call cut,
the man is a disaster.
694
00:31:11,369 --> 00:31:14,005
[Thomas] Do you have any
idea who the killer might be?
695
00:31:14,005 --> 00:31:19,177
Oh. If I had to pick a guy,
696
00:31:19,177 --> 00:31:21,246
I think it's Lawrence.
697
00:31:21,246 --> 00:31:23,448
Lawrence is one
of these guys that,
698
00:31:23,448 --> 00:31:25,016
I don't know
what they call 'em,
699
00:31:25,016 --> 00:31:27,785
but he'd get into a role
and he'd stay in that role
700
00:31:27,785 --> 00:31:29,187
through the whole movie.
701
00:31:29,187 --> 00:31:30,989
I mean, whether he was
in our car
702
00:31:30,989 --> 00:31:32,790
or ordering a hamburger
at McDonald's,
703
00:31:32,790 --> 00:31:34,158
he'd stay in that role.
704
00:31:34,158 --> 00:31:36,928
I mean, it's a little weird
when he does that.
705
00:31:36,928 --> 00:31:38,663
So, you know,
when he goes home
706
00:31:38,663 --> 00:31:41,399
after playing Neil Armstrong,
I think he's thinking
707
00:31:41,399 --> 00:31:43,301
he's home,
walking on the moon.
708
00:31:43,301 --> 00:31:46,905
And when he goes home
as a crazed murderer,
709
00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:50,008
he might be a crazed murderer.
710
00:31:50,975 --> 00:31:52,644
[Harry] Working with
Lawrence Hughes
711
00:31:52,644 --> 00:31:55,046
on Justice Explosion
was one of the most
712
00:31:55,046 --> 00:31:57,916
rewarding experiences
of my entire career.
713
00:31:57,916 --> 00:31:59,550
I often tell people,
714
00:31:59,550 --> 00:32:02,921
Lawrence is, is like
a wild Mustang.
715
00:32:03,221 --> 00:32:05,056
The good part of that is one
716
00:32:05,056 --> 00:32:08,159
of the most beautiful sights
you'll ever see.
717
00:32:08,159 --> 00:32:11,863
The bad side,
you try to ride him,
718
00:32:12,130 --> 00:32:13,364
you'll get bucked
from the saddle
719
00:32:13,364 --> 00:32:15,199
and he'll trample you to death.
720
00:32:15,199 --> 00:32:17,936
No one dedicates themselves
more than Lawrence.
721
00:32:18,202 --> 00:32:20,571
On Justice Explosion,
he started to lose it.
722
00:32:20,571 --> 00:32:22,340
We got calls
from the cast and crew
723
00:32:22,340 --> 00:32:25,910
saying he scared someone
or made someone cry every day.
724
00:32:25,910 --> 00:32:28,546
This is the reason I think
people believe that Lawrence
725
00:32:28,546 --> 00:32:29,914
is The Hollywood Killer.
726
00:32:29,914 --> 00:32:33,885
I mean, he had been
in over 30 films
727
00:32:33,885 --> 00:32:36,154
where he'd had to do
serious stunts.
728
00:32:36,154 --> 00:32:38,022
I mean, he has a background
in wrestling,
729
00:32:38,022 --> 00:32:40,325
boxing, jujitsu, wire work.
730
00:32:40,325 --> 00:32:44,429
It's really impressive,
his, like, physical ability.
731
00:32:44,429 --> 00:32:45,596
And...
732
00:32:47,565 --> 00:32:50,435
he might have been
the only one who was capable
733
00:32:50,435 --> 00:32:53,104
of committing
some of these crimes.
734
00:32:53,104 --> 00:32:55,273
[Samuel] He's certainly got
what it takes.
735
00:32:55,273 --> 00:32:57,875
Close, intimate relationship.
736
00:32:57,875 --> 00:33:00,945
Uh, disappeared
after the murder.
737
00:33:01,179 --> 00:33:04,282
Plays a lot
of unhinged characters.
738
00:33:04,682 --> 00:33:06,884
Known for not ever
breaking character,
739
00:33:06,884 --> 00:33:08,619
even when the film
is long gone.
740
00:33:08,619 --> 00:33:11,322
So he's living
split personality day to day.
741
00:33:11,322 --> 00:33:13,558
And in some ways,
I really admire that.
742
00:33:13,558 --> 00:33:15,626
[Thomas] Aside from
his connection to Pace,
743
00:33:15,626 --> 00:33:19,297
Lawrence was also connected
to Dissident in another way,
744
00:33:19,297 --> 00:33:22,066
through his relationship
with Ava.
745
00:33:22,467 --> 00:33:25,236
Ava and Lawrence were together
on and off for three years.
746
00:33:25,236 --> 00:33:27,205
But during production
of Dissident,
747
00:33:27,205 --> 00:33:29,474
Ava ended things with him
for good.
748
00:33:29,474 --> 00:33:33,378
And this sent Lawrence
into a downward spiral.
749
00:33:33,678 --> 00:33:37,048
Despite a restraining order,
Lawrence kept showing up
750
00:33:37,048 --> 00:33:38,349
anywhere she was,
751
00:33:38,349 --> 00:33:41,185
and even showed up
on the set of Dissident.
752
00:33:41,185 --> 00:33:42,387
- Hi.
- Hi, how you doing?
753
00:33:42,387 --> 00:33:44,288
- Hey... Dustin.
- Lawrence. Nice to meet you.
754
00:33:44,288 --> 00:33:46,024
- How are you?
- Damn good.
755
00:33:46,024 --> 00:33:47,558
- Hi. Hi, how are you?
- Hi.
756
00:33:47,558 --> 00:33:49,627
No, no, let's
try it again, okay?
757
00:33:49,627 --> 00:33:53,097
Obviously, this did not go
over well with Pace.
758
00:33:53,097 --> 00:33:54,332
- [Christopher] Larry Hughes?
- Hey.
759
00:33:54,332 --> 00:33:56,200
My old fucking friend.
How you doing?
760
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,635
- Hey--
- Fucking come onto my set!
761
00:33:57,635 --> 00:33:59,871
You come onto my fucking set!
Yeah?
762
00:33:59,871 --> 00:34:02,940
[Thomas] After this, Lawrence
was banned from the set,
763
00:34:02,940 --> 00:34:05,309
which made him even more crazy.
764
00:34:05,710 --> 00:34:09,313
Me and my dad both begged
Lawrence to stop showing up,
765
00:34:09,313 --> 00:34:12,183
but he just snapped.
766
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:14,652
He would do anything to try
and see her.
767
00:34:14,652 --> 00:34:16,687
Everyone needs to stay put.
Larry's here.
768
00:34:16,687 --> 00:34:17,989
He's going crazy outside,
769
00:34:17,989 --> 00:34:19,323
and I got Ava locked
in the trailer.
770
00:34:19,323 --> 00:34:20,525
So we just need to sort of,
771
00:34:20,525 --> 00:34:23,995
you know, shelter in place
until, um, he's done
772
00:34:23,995 --> 00:34:25,463
with whatever rant
he's going on.
773
00:34:25,463 --> 00:34:28,099
[Ivan] He kept calling me
and trying to figure out
774
00:34:28,099 --> 00:34:29,867
when Ava was on a break
775
00:34:29,867 --> 00:34:33,104
and when she was stepping out
for lunch or something.
776
00:34:33,104 --> 00:34:35,139
I had to stop answering
his calls
777
00:34:35,139 --> 00:34:37,442
'cause he was just...
freaking crazy.
778
00:34:37,442 --> 00:34:40,978
And production had security
guards on the perimeter.
779
00:34:40,978 --> 00:34:43,281
He could not get anywhere near.
780
00:34:43,281 --> 00:34:45,216
- It got crazy.
- He's obsessed.
781
00:34:45,216 --> 00:34:46,651
- No.
- It's not healthy.
782
00:34:46,651 --> 00:34:49,253
- It's absolutely bizarre.
- That's crazy. You know what?
783
00:34:49,253 --> 00:34:51,756
I'm going to keep my eyes open
because that is insane,
784
00:34:51,756 --> 00:34:54,025
and I want you to be comfortable
at all times on this set.
785
00:34:54,025 --> 00:34:55,393
- Thank you. Thank you.
- I'm serious.
786
00:34:55,393 --> 00:34:57,095
We've been knowing each other
for too long.
787
00:34:57,095 --> 00:34:58,496
Thank you. You're sweet.
788
00:34:58,496 --> 00:35:00,565
But if you, um, do you find me,
like, in a vat of oil
789
00:35:00,565 --> 00:35:02,300
or, like, dismembered
in the valley,
790
00:35:02,300 --> 00:35:05,736
like, just, you know,
probably him.
791
00:35:05,736 --> 00:35:07,171
[Effy] Ava was over it.
792
00:35:07,171 --> 00:35:08,873
She didn't want to talk
to Lawrence anymore,
793
00:35:08,873 --> 00:35:10,408
and he knew that.
794
00:35:10,408 --> 00:35:13,111
I mean, I remember her
telling me that,
795
00:35:13,111 --> 00:35:15,346
uh, she was terrified of him.
796
00:35:15,346 --> 00:35:17,315
But he kept calling.
797
00:35:17,315 --> 00:35:18,716
Please calm down
and listen to me!
798
00:35:18,716 --> 00:35:20,218
- [Lawrence] I am listening!
- Please.
799
00:35:20,218 --> 00:35:21,452
[Lawrence] You need
to make a choice.
800
00:35:21,452 --> 00:35:23,354
It's either me or the film.
801
00:35:23,354 --> 00:35:25,356
No, I'm always going to choose
the film!
802
00:35:25,356 --> 00:35:27,592
[Lawrence] You'll regret this!
Mark my words!
803
00:35:27,592 --> 00:35:29,894
- You'll regret this!
- Babe--
804
00:35:29,894 --> 00:35:31,796
Okay, okay, okay, okay.
And now what do we do?
805
00:35:31,796 --> 00:35:34,398
We go to the thing, and we block
the number, right?
806
00:35:34,398 --> 00:35:36,434
Give me the finger. There we go.
807
00:35:36,434 --> 00:35:37,869
We hit that. There we go.
808
00:35:37,869 --> 00:35:40,471
- And now where do we have block?
- You have to scroll down.
809
00:35:40,471 --> 00:35:42,473
We scroll down. Okay, okay.
810
00:35:42,473 --> 00:35:44,142
And now we blocked him.
Look at that.
811
00:35:44,142 --> 00:35:45,443
[Ava] [crying]
812
00:35:45,443 --> 00:35:46,911
And now we don't have
to worry about it ever again.
813
00:35:46,911 --> 00:35:48,913
These calls were scary.
814
00:35:48,913 --> 00:35:50,515
I mean, he would call all of us
815
00:35:50,515 --> 00:35:54,318
and just yell over and over to
get Ava to pick up the phone.
816
00:35:54,318 --> 00:35:55,486
And I'll tell you this.
817
00:35:55,486 --> 00:35:57,522
Every call was worse
than the last.
818
00:35:57,522 --> 00:35:59,524
[Lawrence] I'm going
to destroy this film,
819
00:35:59,524 --> 00:36:01,659
and I'm going to destroy you!
Okay?
820
00:36:01,659 --> 00:36:05,329
And if I, if Ava isn't on
a fucking plane in 30 minutes,
821
00:36:05,329 --> 00:36:06,631
I'm going to come to that set
822
00:36:06,631 --> 00:36:09,066
and drag her off
by her fucking hair!
823
00:36:09,066 --> 00:36:12,470
There are a few reasons why
this clip is so important.
824
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:17,008
One being that Lawrence says,
"I will destroy this film,"
825
00:36:17,008 --> 00:36:20,811
which is a theory as to why
he murdered the other girls.
826
00:36:20,811 --> 00:36:24,282
The second is because
this was the last call
827
00:36:24,282 --> 00:36:26,851
ever made
from Lawrence's phone
828
00:36:26,851 --> 00:36:30,154
and the last time
anyone heard from him.
829
00:36:30,421 --> 00:36:34,192
Ava Bergman was murdered
the following day.
830
00:36:34,458 --> 00:36:37,828
[muffled screaming]
831
00:36:37,828 --> 00:36:42,934
Help-- [choking] Help me!
832
00:36:42,934 --> 00:36:43,968
[grunts]
833
00:36:43,968 --> 00:36:47,438
Help! [screams] No! Please!
834
00:36:47,438 --> 00:36:50,541
Please! Help me! No!
835
00:36:50,541 --> 00:36:56,347
[choking] [gasping]
[sustained exhale]
836
00:36:56,347 --> 00:37:03,321
[eerie music]
837
00:37:08,693 --> 00:37:10,828
[Demy] That's the problem
these days.
838
00:37:12,530 --> 00:37:15,433
We want to show everything
and be grisly.
839
00:37:16,734 --> 00:37:17,868
Detail.
840
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:22,006
The idea that this, this fucker
841
00:37:22,006 --> 00:37:26,410
was holding a phone
while he's attempting to...
842
00:37:30,815 --> 00:37:32,383
Hm.
843
00:37:32,650 --> 00:37:34,485
This is the world we live in.
844
00:37:35,486 --> 00:37:37,655
It's really fucking dark.
845
00:37:38,055 --> 00:37:41,259
[Thomas] The initial
investigation by the LAPD
846
00:37:41,259 --> 00:37:43,661
uncovered no
physical evidence.
847
00:37:43,661 --> 00:37:47,298
But none of that mattered,
because everyone was convinced
848
00:37:47,298 --> 00:37:48,899
it was Lawrence Hughes.
849
00:37:48,899 --> 00:37:51,569
And even with
an international search,
850
00:37:51,569 --> 00:37:53,404
no one could find him.
851
00:37:53,404 --> 00:37:56,407
His whereabouts remain unknown.
852
00:37:56,674 --> 00:37:59,744
Despite this tragedy,
shooting for Dissident
853
00:37:59,744 --> 00:38:03,147
resumed 24 hours later
with a new actress.
854
00:38:03,147 --> 00:38:06,350
After losing a lead actress
in such a horrible way,
855
00:38:06,350 --> 00:38:09,320
most producers would cut
their losses
856
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,289
and shut down the film.
857
00:38:11,289 --> 00:38:13,524
Tedd is not most producers.
858
00:38:13,524 --> 00:38:15,893
Now let's meet
our third suspect,
859
00:38:15,893 --> 00:38:18,129
Tedd Mankiewicz.
860
00:38:18,562 --> 00:38:20,931
Like, Jesus Christ,
can I get a fluffer here?
861
00:38:20,931 --> 00:38:23,534
I'm spritzin' everywhere.
It's actually not even cold.
862
00:38:23,534 --> 00:38:26,270
I just, like, have to wait
on my nuts.
863
00:38:26,270 --> 00:38:27,905
Got fucking drool
coming out of my mouth.
864
00:38:27,905 --> 00:38:31,309
I got ball sweat.
Feel like I've lost 10 pounds.
865
00:38:31,309 --> 00:38:32,743
You're like,
"Did you fuck Barb?"
866
00:38:32,743 --> 00:38:34,945
And I go,
"Oh, I fucked her to death,
867
00:38:34,945 --> 00:38:36,847
but I didn't kill her."
868
00:38:37,148 --> 00:38:39,784
[Thomas] First, let's start
by understanding who Tedd is.
869
00:38:39,784 --> 00:38:41,352
Not only is he one of the most
870
00:38:41,352 --> 00:38:43,187
powerful people in Hollywood,
871
00:38:43,187 --> 00:38:46,524
he represented all three of
the women that were murdered.
872
00:38:46,524 --> 00:38:49,960
The one who survived,
two of the suspects,
873
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:54,598
was a suspect himself,
and was having an affair
874
00:38:54,598 --> 00:38:57,702
with Barbera Ball at the time
of her death,
875
00:38:57,702 --> 00:39:01,505
something that his wife
was very upset about.
876
00:39:01,505 --> 00:39:03,607
All roads lead back to Tedd,
okay?
877
00:39:03,607 --> 00:39:06,744
He got John into producing.
He got Lawrence into acting.
878
00:39:06,744 --> 00:39:10,514
Produced Pace's first film.
Made Melvin a movie star.
879
00:39:10,514 --> 00:39:12,016
Shared a lover with Dustin.
880
00:39:12,016 --> 00:39:15,319
And he's thanked more than God
at the Oscars.
881
00:39:15,653 --> 00:39:17,922
I've got a soft spot for Tedd.
882
00:39:18,255 --> 00:39:20,124
He's the best manager
of all time.
883
00:39:20,124 --> 00:39:22,059
But I understand that Tedd
has made some enemies
884
00:39:22,059 --> 00:39:23,094
in this business.
885
00:39:23,094 --> 00:39:24,628
A lot of people hate him,
886
00:39:24,628 --> 00:39:27,898
and Pace may be at the top
of that list.
887
00:39:27,898 --> 00:39:33,537
The devil never convinced
the world that he did not exist.
888
00:39:33,537 --> 00:39:36,006
No. The devil exists.
889
00:39:36,006 --> 00:39:38,142
Tedd Mankiewicz exists.
890
00:39:38,142 --> 00:39:39,777
The man is real.
891
00:39:39,777 --> 00:39:43,280
And he's out there,
and you all sit back and go,
892
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,349
"I don't know. I don't know.
893
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:48,152
Is evil real?
Is darkness real?"
894
00:39:48,152 --> 00:39:50,654
Look in the fucking mirror.
895
00:39:52,490 --> 00:39:54,658
I know that a lot of people
talk shit about Tedd
896
00:39:54,658 --> 00:39:56,193
- Mm-hmm.
- I totally get that.
897
00:39:56,193 --> 00:40:01,899
But for me, it's like, I know
that he would legit kill for me.
898
00:40:01,899 --> 00:40:04,168
I've never killed anyone
for a client.
899
00:40:04,168 --> 00:40:07,905
But I would, and that's why
they fucking signed with me.
900
00:40:08,305 --> 00:40:10,040
During my investigation
into Tedd,
901
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:15,312
I found that he would normally
do one set visit on his movies.
902
00:40:15,646 --> 00:40:20,284
On Dissident, he visited set
four times a week.
903
00:40:20,284 --> 00:40:21,819
Oh, oh, ladies and gentlemen,
904
00:40:21,819 --> 00:40:23,687
can we get a round
of applause here?
905
00:40:23,687 --> 00:40:24,889
You understand what's happening?
906
00:40:24,889 --> 00:40:26,757
Yeah, the Antichrist
has returned.
907
00:40:26,757 --> 00:40:28,325
All right?
So that means we rejoice.
908
00:40:28,325 --> 00:40:29,860
What do producers do?
909
00:40:29,860 --> 00:40:33,397
They are supposed
to put together the elements
910
00:40:33,397 --> 00:40:35,499
that lead you
to making the film.
911
00:40:36,567 --> 00:40:38,302
Why would that entitle them
912
00:40:38,302 --> 00:40:40,738
to be on the set
once it's begun?
913
00:40:42,072 --> 00:40:44,341
Their job is prologue.
914
00:40:44,341 --> 00:40:45,910
They are the preamble.
915
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:49,447
They are the Greek chorus
before the play begins.
916
00:40:49,447 --> 00:40:52,716
Once the story starts, fuck off.
917
00:40:53,951 --> 00:40:57,188
The moment Tedd Mankiewicz
arrives on set,
918
00:40:58,189 --> 00:41:00,391
whole energy shifts.
919
00:41:00,391 --> 00:41:02,827
[Tedd] The luckiest day of
your life is when you met me.
920
00:41:02,827 --> 00:41:04,028
[Christopher] What are you
talking about?
921
00:41:04,028 --> 00:41:05,596
[Tedd] Everyone says
you suck now,
922
00:41:05,596 --> 00:41:07,331
and this movie will never be
923
00:41:07,331 --> 00:41:08,632
as good as
The Last Great Actor.
924
00:41:08,632 --> 00:41:09,733
[Christopher] This movie
will never be
925
00:41:09,733 --> 00:41:11,202
as good as
The Last Great Actor?
926
00:41:11,202 --> 00:41:12,436
[Tedd] Yeah, totally.
927
00:41:12,436 --> 00:41:13,704
[Christopher] You think maybe
that's because you're standing
928
00:41:13,704 --> 00:41:14,905
in the middle
of my fucking shot?
929
00:41:14,905 --> 00:41:16,240
[Martin] And if that
wasn't bad enough,
930
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:18,342
the motherfucker would walk in
and show you
931
00:41:18,342 --> 00:41:20,044
how to do your scene.
932
00:41:22,146 --> 00:41:23,914
This is how you cock a gun.
933
00:41:23,914 --> 00:41:26,183
There's two things you need
to be able to do
934
00:41:26,183 --> 00:41:27,485
to be a movie star.
935
00:41:27,485 --> 00:41:28,953
Kiss the girl...
936
00:41:30,488 --> 00:41:32,122
and fire a gun.
937
00:41:32,122 --> 00:41:35,259
- And you can't do either.
- Just don't overthink it.
938
00:41:35,259 --> 00:41:37,528
Acting is so fucking easy.
939
00:41:37,528 --> 00:41:38,829
Most of the time, these people
940
00:41:38,829 --> 00:41:41,165
just get so caught up
in their own heads.
941
00:41:41,165 --> 00:41:42,299
They're lazy.
942
00:41:42,299 --> 00:41:45,102
Most of them don't have talent
to begin with.
943
00:41:45,102 --> 00:41:47,171
So I show up
and I show them what to do.
944
00:41:47,171 --> 00:41:50,474
I don't know why so many people
get offended by this.
945
00:41:50,474 --> 00:41:52,209
Do you think Reese Witherspoon
blinks?
946
00:41:52,209 --> 00:41:53,077
No.
947
00:41:53,077 --> 00:41:54,712
Do you think
Nicole Kidman blinks?
948
00:41:54,712 --> 00:41:56,914
- No.
- Then why would you blink?
949
00:41:57,481 --> 00:41:58,749
I don't know.
950
00:41:58,749 --> 00:42:00,417
Give me more Meryl Streep.
951
00:42:00,417 --> 00:42:01,852
Okay. [heavy breathing]
952
00:42:01,852 --> 00:42:04,088
Look at the camera
and don't blink.
953
00:42:05,789 --> 00:42:07,191
Tedd was like a steamroller.
954
00:42:07,191 --> 00:42:09,960
He'd come in there
and intimidate everybody.
955
00:42:10,661 --> 00:42:16,333
[grunts]
[groans painfully]
956
00:42:16,333 --> 00:42:19,803
[Smitty] Yeah, every so often,
I would go up to Ivan and say,
957
00:42:19,803 --> 00:42:22,039
"You sure you want me
to keep this camera rolling?"
958
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:24,542
I mean,
some of the circumstances
959
00:42:24,542 --> 00:42:26,577
were a little sketchy.
960
00:42:26,877 --> 00:42:28,913
Tedd Mankiewicz
was a fucking animal.
961
00:42:28,913 --> 00:42:30,681
Did he know what he was doing?
Sure.
962
00:42:30,681 --> 00:42:32,583
Yes, okay.
Was he very good at his job?
963
00:42:32,583 --> 00:42:36,120
Also, yes.
The man was a fucking animal.
964
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,989
To understand why Tedd
is a suspect,
965
00:42:38,989 --> 00:42:41,725
we have to talk
about Barbera Ball,
966
00:42:41,725 --> 00:42:43,661
the second murder victim,
967
00:42:43,661 --> 00:42:46,363
and how she ended up
in Dissident.
968
00:42:46,363 --> 00:42:50,534
Barbera made a name for herself
when she was cast in Breathe
969
00:42:50,534 --> 00:42:52,770
alongside Lawrence Hughes.
970
00:42:52,770 --> 00:42:57,441
[classic jazz music playing]
971
00:42:57,441 --> 00:42:59,043
[speaking French]
972
00:43:00,144 --> 00:43:03,147
I believe I went to school
with that chap.
973
00:43:03,147 --> 00:43:06,617
[speaking French]
974
00:43:10,321 --> 00:43:12,156
Should I go approach him?
975
00:43:12,957 --> 00:43:14,158
Oui.
976
00:43:14,158 --> 00:43:16,060
Your French isn't
that good anymore.
977
00:43:16,060 --> 00:43:20,064
- I think you need some practice.
- Good enough.
978
00:43:20,064 --> 00:43:21,632
Whatever you say.
979
00:43:21,632 --> 00:43:23,133
On y va.
980
00:43:25,069 --> 00:43:27,871
Every actress in the world
wanted that role.
981
00:43:28,238 --> 00:43:31,075
But my dad made sure
that Barbera got it.
982
00:43:31,442 --> 00:43:35,346
After the success of Breathe,
Tedd cast Barbera in Dissident
983
00:43:35,346 --> 00:43:37,915
without ever talking to Pace
about it.
984
00:43:37,915 --> 00:43:39,516
Pace is quoted as saying
985
00:43:39,516 --> 00:43:42,953
he hated Barbera Ball
more than his own mother,
986
00:43:42,953 --> 00:43:45,155
who abandoned him as a child.
987
00:43:46,190 --> 00:43:48,125
[indistinct]
988
00:43:48,125 --> 00:43:50,527
Barbera, am I looking
at the monitor?
989
00:43:50,527 --> 00:43:51,795
I can't, I can't tell.
990
00:43:51,795 --> 00:43:53,163
There's four cameras
on this fucking scene.
991
00:43:53,163 --> 00:43:55,065
One of them can probably see it.
I can't see it.
992
00:43:55,065 --> 00:43:56,867
I'm not watching the camera.
I'm watching you.
993
00:43:56,867 --> 00:43:58,535
I'm watching your reaction.
You know what I see?
994
00:43:58,535 --> 00:43:59,903
- What?
- I see fear.
995
00:43:59,903 --> 00:44:00,938
Why do I see fear?
996
00:44:00,938 --> 00:44:02,406
This gun has got no bullets
in it.
997
00:44:02,406 --> 00:44:03,674
It's not even a real gun.
998
00:44:03,674 --> 00:44:04,842
I mean, let me
show you something, Barbera.
999
00:44:04,842 --> 00:44:06,543
You see this? All right?
This is my fucking gun.
1000
00:44:06,543 --> 00:44:09,780
This shit's loaded.
Am I afraid? No!
1001
00:44:09,780 --> 00:44:13,484
[Thomas] You wanted Barbera
taken out of the film.
1002
00:44:13,784 --> 00:44:14,918
- Why?
- Absolutely.
1003
00:44:14,918 --> 00:44:17,254
Uh, because she's not very good.
1004
00:44:17,254 --> 00:44:20,958
So, uh, once she was forced
upon me,
1005
00:44:20,958 --> 00:44:22,793
I did what anyone does
1006
00:44:22,793 --> 00:44:25,095
when they are put
in a compromising situation
1007
00:44:25,095 --> 00:44:26,463
that they did not ask
to be in.
1008
00:44:26,463 --> 00:44:29,500
They try to get out.
And that's what I did.
1009
00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:31,835
- How much does she want this?
- A lot more than this film.
1010
00:44:31,835 --> 00:44:33,370
Okay, so then why is she here?
1011
00:44:33,370 --> 00:44:36,340
Wouldn't you rather spend it
on the film rather than her?
1012
00:44:36,340 --> 00:44:37,307
Think about it.
1013
00:44:37,307 --> 00:44:38,709
Oh, you hadn't even thought
about that.
1014
00:44:38,709 --> 00:44:40,310
We could get someone
who was more talented
1015
00:44:40,310 --> 00:44:41,145
and less expensive.
1016
00:44:41,145 --> 00:44:42,713
There isn't somebody
more talented.
1017
00:44:42,713 --> 00:44:44,081
You don't think there's anyone
more talented?
1018
00:44:44,081 --> 00:44:45,549
- No, I don't.
- Oh, my God.
1019
00:44:45,549 --> 00:44:47,718
The myopic... Jesus.
1020
00:44:47,718 --> 00:44:49,620
This is a normal occurrence.
1021
00:44:49,620 --> 00:44:51,789
I had to go to set every day
1022
00:44:51,789 --> 00:44:53,724
to make sure Barbera stayed
in the film.
1023
00:44:53,724 --> 00:44:55,325
Your female lead
is out of frame.
1024
00:44:55,325 --> 00:44:56,493
Yes, I know, I know.
1025
00:44:56,493 --> 00:44:58,062
This is how we're going
to do the movie now, okay?
1026
00:44:58,062 --> 00:44:59,630
[Effy] My dad's going to see
the dailies.
1027
00:44:59,630 --> 00:45:00,964
What do you think
he's gonna say?
1028
00:45:00,964 --> 00:45:02,933
I think he's going to whine
and bitch like a child.
1029
00:45:02,933 --> 00:45:04,768
You're whining and bitching
like a child
1030
00:45:04,768 --> 00:45:06,170
because you can't
have a two-person scene.
1031
00:45:06,170 --> 00:45:07,438
Barbera's out of the movie,
Effy.
1032
00:45:07,438 --> 00:45:08,639
That's not how it works.
1033
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:12,609
[Melvin] Pace needed his North
Star for that character.
1034
00:45:12,609 --> 00:45:14,278
And Barbera wasn't it.
1035
00:45:14,278 --> 00:45:17,815
So he was determined to make
her life a living hell.
1036
00:45:17,815 --> 00:45:19,316
You're killing me.
You're literally killing me.
1037
00:45:19,316 --> 00:45:20,851
- Yes. I'm going to kill you.
- Oh, yeah.
1038
00:45:20,851 --> 00:45:22,319
I feel like you're going
to kill me.
1039
00:45:22,319 --> 00:45:23,220
I'm working up to it.
1040
00:45:23,220 --> 00:45:24,655
Every single fucking day I come
to set,
1041
00:45:24,655 --> 00:45:26,123
I don't know what's going
to happen.
1042
00:45:26,123 --> 00:45:28,726
[Dustin] Barbera was living
in a constant state of fear.
1043
00:45:28,726 --> 00:45:30,394
But not from being murdered.
1044
00:45:30,394 --> 00:45:33,630
She was more afraid
of being fired than dying.
1045
00:45:33,630 --> 00:45:35,499
She would tell me all the time
1046
00:45:35,499 --> 00:45:37,234
how she thought
she was going to get fired.
1047
00:45:37,234 --> 00:45:40,037
I mean, I think she said that
to me almost every single day.
1048
00:45:40,037 --> 00:45:42,072
And it got to a certain point
1049
00:45:42,072 --> 00:45:43,874
where I thought it was going
to happen too.
1050
00:45:43,874 --> 00:45:46,910
I think the fact
that she's this bad
1051
00:45:46,910 --> 00:45:48,812
violates the terms
of the contract.
1052
00:45:48,812 --> 00:45:50,380
And I think we can
get rid of her
1053
00:45:50,380 --> 00:45:52,816
without actually triggering
any type of lawsuit.
1054
00:45:52,816 --> 00:45:54,184
She's the star
of the fucking movie.
1055
00:45:54,184 --> 00:45:55,786
We've been shooting
for three months.
1056
00:45:55,786 --> 00:45:56,820
But not if we fire her.
1057
00:45:56,820 --> 00:45:58,188
She's not coming
out of the movie.
1058
00:45:58,188 --> 00:46:00,190
Pace was never a fan of Barbera.
1059
00:46:00,190 --> 00:46:03,894
And he asked me multiple times
if we could replace her.
1060
00:46:03,894 --> 00:46:05,529
I need Barbera gone.
1061
00:46:05,529 --> 00:46:08,332
Your father is asking me
to sculpt with razor wire.
1062
00:46:08,332 --> 00:46:10,901
I have always respected you,
okay?
1063
00:46:10,901 --> 00:46:14,138
I've always respected
your artistic vision.
1064
00:46:14,138 --> 00:46:17,174
And I just, I need you
to let this one go
1065
00:46:17,174 --> 00:46:21,078
because my dad is never going
to fire Barbera.
1066
00:46:21,078 --> 00:46:22,279
- That's it.
- Okay, okay.
1067
00:46:22,279 --> 00:46:24,014
Do you think, do you think
this is the first time
1068
00:46:24,014 --> 00:46:25,382
I've been told
I can't do something
1069
00:46:25,382 --> 00:46:27,451
- or I have to let something go?
- I'm letting you know.
1070
00:46:27,451 --> 00:46:29,186
I am a screenwriter, okay?
1071
00:46:29,186 --> 00:46:32,122
I create worlds
and I fucking destroy them.
1072
00:46:32,122 --> 00:46:34,191
And if you make me
destroy this world,
1073
00:46:34,191 --> 00:46:36,093
I will do it. You understand?
1074
00:46:36,093 --> 00:46:37,728
Then you're not going
to have a movie, Pace.
1075
00:46:37,728 --> 00:46:39,029
I don't give a fuck
about the movie.
1076
00:46:39,029 --> 00:46:40,931
- I do.
- I don't care what you think.
1077
00:46:40,931 --> 00:46:42,633
I care about making art.
1078
00:46:42,633 --> 00:46:46,303
And if she is in this film,
it doesn't exist anymore.
1079
00:46:46,303 --> 00:46:48,806
There is no story,
there is no beauty,
1080
00:46:48,806 --> 00:46:50,007
there is no art.
1081
00:46:50,007 --> 00:46:51,742
So I may as well burn
the fucking thing down.
1082
00:46:51,742 --> 00:46:54,011
- You understand?
- Then go ahead.
1083
00:46:54,011 --> 00:46:55,412
- Burn the thing down.
- Great.
1084
00:46:55,412 --> 00:46:57,447
Okay.
Remember that you said that!
1085
00:46:57,447 --> 00:46:59,583
And then don't come crying
to me when it's over.
1086
00:46:59,583 --> 00:47:00,918
Remember.
1087
00:47:02,319 --> 00:47:04,721
[Effy] Pace threatened Barbera
all the time.
1088
00:47:04,721 --> 00:47:08,091
And when it was decided that she
was staying in the film,
1089
00:47:08,091 --> 00:47:09,860
he couldn't handle it.
1090
00:47:09,860 --> 00:47:10,961
[Tedd] Hey, what's up?
1091
00:47:10,961 --> 00:47:12,529
Um, I'm sat here
with Pace right now.
1092
00:47:12,529 --> 00:47:15,766
He doesn't believe, uh, anything
that I'm saying right now.
1093
00:47:15,766 --> 00:47:17,334
So do you mind refreshing
his mind
1094
00:47:17,334 --> 00:47:19,069
and telling him
what you told me?
1095
00:47:19,069 --> 00:47:20,170
[Tedd] Hey, Pace.
1096
00:47:20,170 --> 00:47:21,638
I just got off the phone
with Mocker.
1097
00:47:21,638 --> 00:47:24,074
And Barbera's staying
in the fucking film.
1098
00:47:24,074 --> 00:47:26,844
So do whatever you want
with that information.
1099
00:47:27,711 --> 00:47:30,047
Okay. Uh, Barbie.
1100
00:47:30,347 --> 00:47:32,549
- Uh, I gotta apologize to you.
- Yeah?
1101
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:34,251
- Okay?
- Is this sincere?
1102
00:47:34,251 --> 00:47:37,187
Yes. That was the easy way
for you to leave this film.
1103
00:47:37,187 --> 00:47:39,289
And now we do it the hard way.
All right?
1104
00:47:39,289 --> 00:47:42,125
- Good luck.
- Thanks. Appreciate it.
1105
00:47:42,125 --> 00:47:44,394
I always adored Barbera.
1106
00:47:44,695 --> 00:47:46,864
She had such a hard time
on set.
1107
00:47:46,864 --> 00:47:49,266
She didn't deserve
how she was treated.
1108
00:47:49,266 --> 00:47:51,335
I don't know
who to trust anymore.
1109
00:47:51,335 --> 00:47:54,605
I don't know who are my friends.
Everyone's fucking mean.
1110
00:47:55,606 --> 00:47:57,908
Well, you know you got me.
1111
00:47:57,908 --> 00:48:00,978
I'm lucky I do.
You and your dad.
1112
00:48:00,978 --> 00:48:03,947
Initially, there was a lot
of confusion as to why
1113
00:48:03,947 --> 00:48:06,884
Tedd was fighting so hard
to keep her in the film.
1114
00:48:07,184 --> 00:48:11,188
There's a very simple reason
Tedd refused to replace her.
1115
00:48:11,188 --> 00:48:13,657
Because they were having
an affair.
1116
00:48:13,657 --> 00:48:15,859
They managed to keep
their relationship quiet
1117
00:48:15,859 --> 00:48:16,894
for over a year.
1118
00:48:16,894 --> 00:48:18,428
But once Barbera was on set,
1119
00:48:18,428 --> 00:48:21,365
Tedd could no longer keep
the relationship secret.
1120
00:48:21,365 --> 00:48:24,301
His jealousy and paranoia
drove him
1121
00:48:24,301 --> 00:48:27,938
to make sure everyone knew
she was his.
1122
00:48:27,938 --> 00:48:30,340
And what made him so paranoid
1123
00:48:30,340 --> 00:48:33,977
was Barbera's castmate
and former lover,
1124
00:48:33,977 --> 00:48:36,380
Dustin Scott.
1125
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:41,285
The story of their romance
is shrouded with intrigue.
1126
00:48:41,285 --> 00:48:44,488
I mean, Tedd and Barbera
were having an affair.
1127
00:48:44,488 --> 00:48:47,557
Dustin and Barbera were having
an affair.
1128
00:48:47,557 --> 00:48:51,762
It was like the inception
of affairs.
1129
00:48:51,762 --> 00:48:54,064
So Dustin was in love
with Barbera
1130
00:48:54,064 --> 00:48:56,233
and Barbera was in love
with Tedd.
1131
00:48:56,233 --> 00:48:59,002
And it was disaster
for all of us.
1132
00:48:59,002 --> 00:49:01,905
Are you having a relationship
with Barbera?
1133
00:49:01,905 --> 00:49:03,140
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
1134
00:49:03,140 --> 00:49:04,508
And you're aware that she
is currently having
1135
00:49:04,508 --> 00:49:06,410
a relationship
with Tedd Mankiewicz?
1136
00:49:06,410 --> 00:49:07,277
Yeah.
1137
00:49:07,277 --> 00:49:08,879
And you thought,
in your infinite wisdom,
1138
00:49:08,879 --> 00:49:11,148
that this was a good idea
for you to do?
1139
00:49:12,249 --> 00:49:14,217
She was my girlfriend first,
and...
1140
00:49:14,217 --> 00:49:15,752
Okay. With the playground rules.
1141
00:49:15,752 --> 00:49:17,020
Brilliant.
1142
00:49:17,020 --> 00:49:18,488
[Thomas] Can you talk to me
a little bit about
1143
00:49:18,488 --> 00:49:20,223
Dustin and Barbera's
love affair?
1144
00:49:20,824 --> 00:49:22,859
Mm, yeah, um,
1145
00:49:22,859 --> 00:49:25,762
I know they were
childhood sweethearts
1146
00:49:25,762 --> 00:49:27,464
and then, uh, had some sort
1147
00:49:27,464 --> 00:49:30,400
of large, uh, profound
relationship,
1148
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,869
I guess, at least for Dustin.
1149
00:49:32,869 --> 00:49:35,339
Uh, and then
it started up again.
1150
00:49:35,339 --> 00:49:37,441
Basically, the moment
she arrived on the set,
1151
00:49:37,441 --> 00:49:39,710
which obviously drove
Tedd insane.
1152
00:49:39,710 --> 00:49:42,713
He is a man that cannot
comprehend things
1153
00:49:42,713 --> 00:49:44,247
he cannot control.
1154
00:49:44,247 --> 00:49:47,317
Dustin, I want you to kiss her
like you know he's watching.
1155
00:49:47,317 --> 00:49:49,086
Because he is.
You know what I'm saying?
1156
00:49:49,086 --> 00:49:50,287
You're trying
to make me jealous.
1157
00:49:50,287 --> 00:49:51,621
No, no, no,
I'm trying to make you
1158
00:49:51,621 --> 00:49:52,889
understand that you're
a lesser man.
1159
00:49:52,889 --> 00:49:54,257
[Barbera] What am I
supposed to do?
1160
00:49:54,257 --> 00:49:56,159
You're supposed to like it more
than you like kissing him.
1161
00:49:56,159 --> 00:49:57,260
I'm jealous right now.
1162
00:49:57,260 --> 00:49:58,562
I want you to... You're jealous?
1163
00:49:58,562 --> 00:50:00,163
It's working?
We're having a reaction?
1164
00:50:00,163 --> 00:50:01,565
[Tedd] Don't say that out loud.
1165
00:50:01,565 --> 00:50:03,133
[Christopher] Doesn't it feel
good to have a human emotion?
1166
00:50:03,133 --> 00:50:04,401
You know what I mean?
1167
00:50:04,401 --> 00:50:06,236
I think there's a...
Oh, there it is. Look at that.
1168
00:50:06,236 --> 00:50:09,139
[Dustin] Imagine you met
the love of your life.
1169
00:50:09,873 --> 00:50:12,342
And you had a beautiful romance.
1170
00:50:12,342 --> 00:50:15,812
And then you fucked it all up.
You break up.
1171
00:50:15,812 --> 00:50:17,381
You're miserable.
1172
00:50:17,647 --> 00:50:20,450
And then you're working
on this movie
1173
00:50:20,450 --> 00:50:23,553
and you find out
that your ex-lover
1174
00:50:23,553 --> 00:50:26,490
is now gonna be with you
every single day.
1175
00:50:26,490 --> 00:50:29,126
Sex scenes, kissing scenes.
1176
00:50:29,126 --> 00:50:31,495
And you have to watch
the person that you love
1177
00:50:31,495 --> 00:50:33,764
be in love with somebody else.
1178
00:50:33,764 --> 00:50:36,533
And if that wasn't bad enough,
her new boyfriend
1179
00:50:36,533 --> 00:50:40,470
was my boss and would tell me
what to do every day.
1180
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:43,073
You're grabbing her tits like
it's an eighth-grade dance.
1181
00:50:43,073 --> 00:50:44,941
Grab her like this.
1182
00:50:44,941 --> 00:50:47,177
Let me get to your level.
1183
00:50:47,544 --> 00:50:50,347
If you cross me again,
I'll fucking kill you.
1184
00:50:51,081 --> 00:50:52,783
Yeah, that's how it's done.
1185
00:50:54,017 --> 00:50:55,819
Tedd was always fucking
with Dustin.
1186
00:50:55,819 --> 00:50:59,122
He would do these, like,
psychological mind games
1187
00:50:59,122 --> 00:51:00,757
for dominance.
1188
00:51:00,757 --> 00:51:04,027
And it was abusive.
1189
00:51:04,594 --> 00:51:06,730
I just can't believe that you do
that shit in front of me, okay?
1190
00:51:06,730 --> 00:51:08,899
It's so fucking disrespectful.
It makes me sick to my stomach.
1191
00:51:08,899 --> 00:51:11,201
Do you know how many fucking
times I've heard this from you?
1192
00:51:11,201 --> 00:51:12,736
What do you mean?
1193
00:51:12,736 --> 00:51:14,471
Do you know how many times I've
heard you say that shit to him?
1194
00:51:14,471 --> 00:51:17,941
Tedd uses a tactic called
disruption of thought freedom.
1195
00:51:17,941 --> 00:51:19,476
It's a genius military strategy
1196
00:51:19,476 --> 00:51:22,245
to take over someone's brain
and ruin them.
1197
00:51:22,579 --> 00:51:24,681
And that's how
he broke Dustin.
1198
00:51:24,681 --> 00:51:27,384
[melancholy piano music]
1199
00:51:27,384 --> 00:51:28,785
I...
1200
00:51:28,785 --> 00:51:33,390
I truly believe you only get
one real love in your life.
1201
00:51:33,723 --> 00:51:37,427
That one person that's
supposed to be there with you,
1202
00:51:37,427 --> 00:51:39,563
going through
the ups and downs, and...
1203
00:51:39,996 --> 00:51:43,533
And it was Barbera.
We were meant for each other.
1204
00:51:44,367 --> 00:51:45,702
And I fucked it up.
1205
00:51:45,702 --> 00:51:49,473
And the really funny thing
is that the one person
1206
00:51:49,473 --> 00:51:51,408
who was trying to help me
fix this relationship
1207
00:51:51,408 --> 00:51:54,744
more than anyone else
was Pace.
1208
00:51:56,746 --> 00:51:59,483
Now did Pace really want us
to get back together
1209
00:51:59,483 --> 00:52:01,418
'cause he cared about us?
I don't think so.
1210
00:52:01,418 --> 00:52:04,488
I think he was really just
trying to fuck with Tedd.
1211
00:52:05,856 --> 00:52:09,359
But, nonetheless, he was being
a couples counselor,
1212
00:52:09,626 --> 00:52:11,962
trying anything
and everything he could
1213
00:52:11,962 --> 00:52:14,064
to bring us back together.
1214
00:52:14,464 --> 00:52:18,535
And if Barbera
wouldn't have died,
1215
00:52:19,436 --> 00:52:21,638
I think it would have worked.
1216
00:52:22,005 --> 00:52:25,542
I was doing what I could to...
1217
00:52:26,009 --> 00:52:27,811
to, well, not mend
the relationship,
1218
00:52:27,811 --> 00:52:30,046
I just needed them to be able
to get through a fucking scene.
1219
00:52:30,046 --> 00:52:34,618
And, and in, in that context,
that required her to be able
1220
00:52:34,618 --> 00:52:38,321
to, uh, look him in the eye
without rolling her eyes
1221
00:52:38,321 --> 00:52:40,257
or vomiting or screaming
1222
00:52:40,257 --> 00:52:42,058
or any of the things
that would happen
1223
00:52:42,058 --> 00:52:43,460
when she would see him.
1224
00:52:43,460 --> 00:52:45,595
You are welcome to attach
a humanitarian instinct to me
1225
00:52:45,595 --> 00:52:47,230
whenever you like.
You would be wrong.
1226
00:52:47,230 --> 00:52:49,199
I'm simply doing
what is necessary
1227
00:52:49,199 --> 00:52:51,168
to get the film made.
1228
00:52:51,535 --> 00:52:54,304
No! No, no, no! Stop it!
Stop! Right now! No, no.
1229
00:52:54,304 --> 00:52:55,605
No, no, listen. Okay?
1230
00:52:55,605 --> 00:52:57,507
Kissing is elemental.
It's primordial.
1231
00:52:57,507 --> 00:52:59,075
It's deeper than sex, right?
1232
00:52:59,075 --> 00:53:01,478
It's just, it's natural, okay?
1233
00:53:01,478 --> 00:53:03,914
I don't want to see sex.
I want to see love.
1234
00:53:03,914 --> 00:53:05,115
Okay? Show me.
1235
00:53:05,115 --> 00:53:07,484
- I give love.
- Show me. Show me love.
1236
00:53:07,784 --> 00:53:09,219
I heard the rumors.
1237
00:53:09,219 --> 00:53:10,520
I tried to warn Dustin
1238
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,355
about not getting involved
with Barbera,
1239
00:53:12,355 --> 00:53:14,057
but he didn't listen.
1240
00:53:14,057 --> 00:53:16,660
And when my dad found out,
it was actually worse
1241
00:53:16,660 --> 00:53:18,261
than I thought it would be.
1242
00:53:18,261 --> 00:53:20,297
Did you fuck Barb?
1243
00:53:20,297 --> 00:53:22,866
- No! I didn't--
- Dirty Dick Dustin.
1244
00:53:22,866 --> 00:53:24,601
- Dirty Dick Dustin.
- I didn't do anything.
1245
00:53:24,601 --> 00:53:26,269
- [Christopher] Tedd, Tedd, Tedd.
- Pull your dick out.
1246
00:53:26,269 --> 00:53:27,938
I want to see
if it smells like Barb.
1247
00:53:27,938 --> 00:53:29,639
Pull your dick out.
1248
00:53:29,639 --> 00:53:32,008
Starting a war
with a guy like Tedd,
1249
00:53:32,008 --> 00:53:34,344
someone with an infinite amount
of resources,
1250
00:53:34,344 --> 00:53:37,547
wouldn't even bode well for me,
let alone Dustin.
1251
00:53:37,547 --> 00:53:39,449
[Tedd] I'll have Dustin
killed right now
1252
00:53:39,449 --> 00:53:40,917
if you just cast Chalamet.
1253
00:53:40,917 --> 00:53:43,386
[Christopher] Uh, could you have
him killed without, uh, Timmy?
1254
00:53:43,386 --> 00:53:44,788
[Tedd] Absolutely not.
1255
00:53:44,788 --> 00:53:46,356
[Christopher] Why does it have
to be Timmy to kill--
1256
00:53:46,356 --> 00:53:47,724
[Tedd] You gotta give,
you gotta give me something.
1257
00:53:47,724 --> 00:53:48,992
[Christopher] No, but can we get
somebody else?
1258
00:53:48,992 --> 00:53:50,527
[Tedd] I'll have nothing for me
to kill Dustin.
1259
00:53:50,527 --> 00:53:52,829
They say all is fair
in love and war,
1260
00:53:52,829 --> 00:53:55,498
so Dustin decided
to tell Tedd's wife
1261
00:53:55,498 --> 00:53:57,400
about the affair
with Barbera,
1262
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:01,471
which caused her to confront him
in front of everyone.
1263
00:54:01,471 --> 00:54:02,872
- Who told you that?
- You've been cheating on me.
1264
00:54:02,872 --> 00:54:04,507
- I've never fucking cheated.
- Tell me the truth.
1265
00:54:04,507 --> 00:54:06,042
- I know you've been doing it!
- I am telling you the truth.
1266
00:54:06,042 --> 00:54:08,378
- You've never... This is--
- I've never cheated on you.
1267
00:54:08,378 --> 00:54:09,512
Yes, you have!
1268
00:54:09,512 --> 00:54:10,847
What the fuck are you
even talking about?
1269
00:54:10,847 --> 00:54:12,816
- You've never told me the truth.
- Who told you that shit?
1270
00:54:12,816 --> 00:54:14,484
I'm not going
to tell you who told me,
1271
00:54:14,484 --> 00:54:16,720
- but I know that it's true.
- Was it Dustin?
1272
00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:18,722
[Thomas] After this
was filmed,
1273
00:54:18,722 --> 00:54:20,857
Ted's wife threatened
to leave him
1274
00:54:20,857 --> 00:54:22,626
if he didn't end things
with Barbera.
1275
00:54:22,626 --> 00:54:24,995
And with her ability
to prove infidelity,
1276
00:54:24,995 --> 00:54:28,298
he was looking
at a billion-dollar divorce.
1277
00:54:28,298 --> 00:54:30,400
Two days later, Barbera Ball
1278
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,802
was murdered
by The Hollywood Killer.
1279
00:54:32,802 --> 00:54:35,772
[unsettling music]
[heavy breathing]
1280
00:54:41,578 --> 00:54:43,880
[constricted breathing]
1281
00:54:44,414 --> 00:54:46,916
I don't understand
why the man isn't in prison.
1282
00:54:46,916 --> 00:54:49,786
He had the motive.
Obviously, he had the access.
1283
00:54:49,786 --> 00:54:52,122
He was sleeping
with the woman killed.
1284
00:54:52,122 --> 00:54:56,926
To me, to anyone with eyes
or who is not being paid,
1285
00:54:56,926 --> 00:54:58,128
it should be obvious.
1286
00:54:58,128 --> 00:55:02,432
But in order to avoid
a fifth lawsuit from the man,
1287
00:55:03,533 --> 00:55:06,069
I'll call him
an alleged murderer.
1288
00:55:06,069 --> 00:55:08,204
Who's alleging it? I am.
1289
00:55:08,204 --> 00:55:10,340
My dad would never hurt Barbera.
1290
00:55:10,340 --> 00:55:12,342
She made him so happy.
1291
00:55:12,342 --> 00:55:13,910
I've never seen him
love anyone
1292
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:15,412
as much as he loved her.
1293
00:55:15,412 --> 00:55:16,980
What they shared
was like something
1294
00:55:16,980 --> 00:55:18,515
you read in a romance novel.
1295
00:55:18,515 --> 00:55:20,417
He always said
that she reminded him
1296
00:55:20,417 --> 00:55:22,085
of a Caravaggio painting.
1297
00:55:22,085 --> 00:55:24,788
I've never heard him talk
about anyone like that.
1298
00:55:24,788 --> 00:55:26,756
[Tedd] I saw so much
greatness in her
1299
00:55:26,756 --> 00:55:29,392
as a human being, her talent.
1300
00:55:29,392 --> 00:55:32,195
[unsettling music]
1301
00:55:32,195 --> 00:55:33,930
She was my everything.
1302
00:55:35,198 --> 00:55:36,800
[Thomas] Do you miss her?
1303
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,804
I miss her more than any
human being that's ever lived.
1304
00:55:40,804 --> 00:55:43,506
[Thomas] Tedd's phone records
show no calls
1305
00:55:43,506 --> 00:55:45,442
on the day Barbera died.
1306
00:55:45,442 --> 00:55:50,780
On a normal day,
he averages 250 to 300 calls.
1307
00:55:50,780 --> 00:55:52,615
My dad and I went
to Saint Moritz
1308
00:55:52,615 --> 00:55:54,684
for a few hours to look
at a new house he was building,
1309
00:55:54,684 --> 00:55:57,520
and he broke his phone
at the airport.
1310
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,623
But I can assure you
that his alibi is real,
1311
00:56:00,623 --> 00:56:01,991
and I was with him.
1312
00:56:01,991 --> 00:56:04,661
During any investigation,
it's always fascinating
1313
00:56:04,661 --> 00:56:08,832
to see who a suspect thinks
could have committed the crime.
1314
00:56:08,832 --> 00:56:12,068
And in this case,
there's footage of it.
1315
00:56:12,402 --> 00:56:13,770
I'm not going to jail.
1316
00:56:13,770 --> 00:56:15,672
Rich people don't go to jail.
1317
00:56:15,672 --> 00:56:17,707
I wasn't even in the country,
I swear.
1318
00:56:17,707 --> 00:56:19,442
You can check
all the flight logs.
1319
00:56:19,442 --> 00:56:22,479
Everybody knows
Dustin fucking killed her.
1320
00:56:22,479 --> 00:56:25,882
I have so many videos.
Tell them I'll cut a deal.
1321
00:56:26,149 --> 00:56:28,952
We're now going to dive
into our fourth suspect,
1322
00:56:28,952 --> 00:56:30,487
Dustin Scott.
1323
00:56:30,487 --> 00:56:33,256
There are many reasons
why Dustin is a suspect,
1324
00:56:33,256 --> 00:56:36,559
but one stands out
above them all.
1325
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,996
[constrained breathing]
1326
00:56:39,996 --> 00:56:42,699
Dustin! Dust--
1327
00:56:43,032 --> 00:56:46,369
That video does not get you
a conviction.
1328
00:56:46,369 --> 00:56:48,505
It does, however,
tell us something,
1329
00:56:48,505 --> 00:56:51,708
that Dustin was the last thought
on Barbera's mind.
1330
00:56:52,542 --> 00:56:54,644
But why Dustin?
1331
00:56:54,644 --> 00:56:57,580
Was it because
she was saying goodbye
1332
00:56:57,580 --> 00:56:58,948
to the love of her life,
1333
00:56:58,948 --> 00:57:02,919
or because the love
of her life was killing her?
1334
00:57:07,257 --> 00:57:08,525
You got that, right?
1335
00:57:08,525 --> 00:57:10,193
[Christopher] Got it.
Won't use it. Do it again.
1336
00:57:10,193 --> 00:57:11,895
[sighs]
1337
00:57:11,895 --> 00:57:14,497
Put my hat back on.
You're a fucking bitch.
1338
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,402
[John] I know he was a pain
in the ass,
1339
00:57:19,402 --> 00:57:21,671
but I'll always feel sorry
for this kid.
1340
00:57:21,671 --> 00:57:25,074
I mean, this movie
ripped out his soul.
1341
00:57:26,075 --> 00:57:27,710
I love Dustin Scott.
1342
00:57:27,710 --> 00:57:30,547
I just think he has
1343
00:57:30,547 --> 00:57:33,917
one of the most
expressive faces.
1344
00:57:33,917 --> 00:57:37,220
Um, his performances
are in the eyes,
1345
00:57:37,220 --> 00:57:38,721
gateway to the soul, his body.
1346
00:57:38,721 --> 00:57:40,023
He puts everything into it.
1347
00:57:40,023 --> 00:57:41,925
I mean, he's, he's
a very emotional actor,
1348
00:57:41,925 --> 00:57:45,728
and I think
he is literally a human PSA
1349
00:57:45,728 --> 00:57:50,266
about, don't be an actor,
don't put your kids in acting.
1350
00:57:50,266 --> 00:57:54,871
I mean, every single thing,
uh, that actors,
1351
00:57:54,871 --> 00:57:59,108
every trap actors can step in,
he's actually stepped in.
1352
00:57:59,108 --> 00:58:01,611
Uh, a lot of the trysts
that he had,
1353
00:58:01,611 --> 00:58:04,380
the women that he was with,
1354
00:58:04,380 --> 00:58:06,115
uh, some
of the, the controversy
1355
00:58:06,115 --> 00:58:08,685
that he caused
because of his relationships,
1356
00:58:08,685 --> 00:58:10,587
we don't see any of that.
1357
00:58:10,587 --> 00:58:11,988
We just see this,
and we think
1358
00:58:11,988 --> 00:58:14,190
this is the only thing that's
happening in this frame.
1359
00:58:14,190 --> 00:58:17,760
But there is another
behind the scenes,
1360
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,429
which is what actually happens
off the set.
1361
00:58:19,429 --> 00:58:23,399
So, yeah, Dustin looks like
he is just being pummeled.
1362
00:58:23,399 --> 00:58:24,734
He's the martyr for everyone.
1363
00:58:24,734 --> 00:58:26,169
He's the whipping boy here.
1364
00:58:26,169 --> 00:58:30,640
Um, but what Dustin does off
the set is pretty outrageous.
1365
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,041
I swear to God, if you bring
1366
00:58:32,041 --> 00:58:34,644
another fucking prostitute--
sex worker on set again,
1367
00:58:34,644 --> 00:58:36,145
I will kick your ass.
1368
00:58:36,145 --> 00:58:39,449
[John] Dustin really took
Barbera's death hard.
1369
00:58:39,682 --> 00:58:41,317
He was doing
all kinds of drugs.
1370
00:58:41,317 --> 00:58:44,020
We found him in a gutter,
1371
00:58:44,020 --> 00:58:47,557
unconscious at a strip club,
4:00 in the morning.
1372
00:58:47,857 --> 00:58:49,893
We covered it up from the press.
1373
00:58:50,226 --> 00:58:53,396
I would do whatever it took
to keep him upright
1374
00:58:53,396 --> 00:58:54,631
in this movie.
1375
00:58:54,631 --> 00:58:57,000
I already got, you know,
the investments there.
1376
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,501
We were way into this thing
1377
00:58:58,501 --> 00:59:02,205
and Dustin has to be healthy,
and he was a fucking mess.
1378
00:59:02,205 --> 00:59:03,439
So my, my question for you,
1379
00:59:03,439 --> 00:59:05,642
and I want you to take this
with you into the scene, is,
1380
00:59:05,642 --> 00:59:07,544
what recently happened
to Barbera,
1381
00:59:07,544 --> 00:59:08,978
uh, what do we think
about the idea
1382
00:59:08,978 --> 00:59:12,749
that maybe you don't remember
what, what you may have done?
1383
00:59:12,749 --> 00:59:14,484
'Cause I know you don't think
you did anything,
1384
00:59:14,484 --> 00:59:18,421
but what about
what you don't remember?
1385
00:59:18,788 --> 00:59:21,157
I remember one time,
growing up as a kid,
1386
00:59:21,157 --> 00:59:24,427
some money came up missing
at a church bingo,
1387
00:59:24,427 --> 00:59:26,863
and Father McCauley got
so upset,
1388
00:59:26,863 --> 00:59:29,532
he bitch-slapped
Sister Elizabeth.
1389
00:59:29,799 --> 00:59:32,569
I mean, if you push someone
far enough,
1390
00:59:32,569 --> 00:59:34,470
it can get out of hand.
1391
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:36,005
I want you to hang
1392
00:59:36,005 --> 00:59:37,407
the inadequacy
of your performance
1393
00:59:37,407 --> 00:59:39,976
around your neck and wear it
like a fucking albatross.
1394
00:59:39,976 --> 00:59:41,878
You understand?
It's a millstone, all right?
1395
00:59:41,878 --> 00:59:43,212
You're dragging all of us down.
1396
00:59:43,212 --> 00:59:44,814
- All right.
- It's like a, it's a thing.
1397
00:59:44,814 --> 00:59:46,082
- If I pull this...
- [chokes] Okay, yeah.
1398
00:59:46,082 --> 00:59:47,750
...you can feel that, right?
You can feel that.
1399
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:49,485
I gotta hang you with this shit.
1400
00:59:49,485 --> 00:59:50,853
That's how bad
your performance is.
1401
00:59:50,853 --> 00:59:52,589
I could use it to kill you.
1402
00:59:52,589 --> 00:59:54,991
Doing the same scenes
1403
00:59:54,991 --> 00:59:58,094
over and over again
on multiple occasions,
1404
00:59:58,094 --> 01:00:00,330
it kind of takes it
out of you.
1405
01:00:00,330 --> 01:00:01,364
It's like if you had
1406
01:00:01,364 --> 01:00:02,966
a tube of toothpaste
that's already empty
1407
01:00:02,966 --> 01:00:04,467
and you just keep squeezing it
and you think
1408
01:00:04,467 --> 01:00:06,369
something's going to come out,
but there's nothing in there
1409
01:00:06,369 --> 01:00:09,739
and you're just crushing it
in your fucking palm.
1410
01:00:13,710 --> 01:00:16,679
[sighs] I'm the tube
of empty toothpaste.
1411
01:00:17,647 --> 01:00:18,982
I think I might faint.
1412
01:00:18,982 --> 01:00:20,984
- You're going to faint? Why?
- I don't know.
1413
01:00:20,984 --> 01:00:24,287
Have you read this scene?
Is this a fainting scene?
1414
01:00:25,355 --> 01:00:26,956
- Okay, Martin, you see that?
- Whoa, whoa, whoa.
1415
01:00:26,956 --> 01:00:28,992
No, no, don't touch him.
You understand what happened?
1416
01:00:28,992 --> 01:00:30,760
This man's talent
cannot overcome
1417
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,095
his given circumstances.
1418
01:00:32,095 --> 01:00:33,830
That's what we call bad acting,
all right?
1419
01:00:33,830 --> 01:00:35,398
Don't look at him.
Do the scene without him.
1420
01:00:35,398 --> 01:00:37,600
I'm going to back up and get
the shot, all right?
1421
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,302
Okay, let's go!
1422
01:00:42,171 --> 01:00:47,644
This film took pieces of me
that I will never get back.
1423
01:00:47,644 --> 01:00:49,145
I fucking hate you! All you do
1424
01:00:49,145 --> 01:00:51,614
is you yell and you lie
and you yell and you lie!
1425
01:00:51,614 --> 01:00:52,815
And I can't take it anymore!
1426
01:00:52,815 --> 01:00:54,651
Why don't you do something
about it, Dustin?
1427
01:00:54,651 --> 01:00:56,119
Fuck! [grunts]
1428
01:00:56,119 --> 01:00:57,687
Now we're going
to learn about acting.
1429
01:00:57,687 --> 01:00:59,722
What is acting, Dustin?
Acting is...
1430
01:00:59,722 --> 01:01:00,923
[Dustin] [grunts] [screams]
1431
01:01:00,923 --> 01:01:02,825
It's being acting, okay?
We're not trying to win.
1432
01:01:02,825 --> 01:01:05,061
- [screams maniacally] [grunts]
- All right, okay, now...
1433
01:01:05,061 --> 01:01:07,697
- [Dustin] [choking]
- [Christopher] [grunts]
1434
01:01:09,332 --> 01:01:10,867
All right, Marty.
1435
01:01:11,167 --> 01:01:14,370
Um, I need something
sort of tempting.
1436
01:01:14,771 --> 01:01:17,273
Pace used to tell me
to never argue with Dustin
1437
01:01:17,540 --> 01:01:20,777
because it's hard to win
a fight with a smart person,
1438
01:01:20,777 --> 01:01:23,780
but impossible to win one
with a crazy person.
1439
01:01:23,780 --> 01:01:25,415
I worked with the guy
for five years.
1440
01:01:25,415 --> 01:01:28,217
There's no doubt in my mind
he could be the killer.
1441
01:01:28,217 --> 01:01:32,655
The things I've seen,
you wouldn't believe it.
1442
01:01:33,089 --> 01:01:35,058
Shut the fuck up, Martin, okay?
Just shut the fuck up!
1443
01:01:35,058 --> 01:01:36,626
- Shut up?
- Yeah, shut-- [choking]
1444
01:01:36,626 --> 01:01:37,860
- More an angle.
- I'll shut up?
1445
01:01:37,860 --> 01:01:39,228
- More an angle.
- Shut up? I'm sick of you!
1446
01:01:39,228 --> 01:01:40,997
Marty, Marty, what did I
tell you about the carotid?
1447
01:01:40,997 --> 01:01:42,298
- Martin!
- You put pressure right here.
1448
01:01:42,298 --> 01:01:43,566
- Martin, I'm sorry!
- Then he'll go to sleep.
1449
01:01:43,566 --> 01:01:44,934
Very close to me.
1450
01:01:44,934 --> 01:01:46,669
And then brace the back
of his head here. Break it here.
1451
01:01:46,669 --> 01:01:48,071
You know, not many people
know this,
1452
01:01:48,071 --> 01:01:50,740
but I actually used to go
to middle school with Dustin.
1453
01:01:50,740 --> 01:01:52,208
Um, he had a nickname.
1454
01:01:52,208 --> 01:01:55,211
Back then, it was, uh,
it was Bundy.
1455
01:01:55,211 --> 01:01:57,714
Not for Al Bundy,
but for Ted Bundy,
1456
01:01:57,714 --> 01:01:58,948
because he was voted
1457
01:01:58,948 --> 01:02:00,483
"most likely to become
a serial killer"
1458
01:02:00,483 --> 01:02:02,018
in our yearbook.
1459
01:02:02,018 --> 01:02:06,155
You know, when I really think
about it, Dustin makes sense.
1460
01:02:06,155 --> 01:02:08,157
I let him
go down on me once.
1461
01:02:09,158 --> 01:02:11,127
Blind man looking for a nickel.
1462
01:02:11,394 --> 01:02:14,964
There's this moment when a man
is between your legs.
1463
01:02:14,964 --> 01:02:18,701
You can feel that energy
just, you know, coming up,
1464
01:02:18,701 --> 01:02:21,237
and I got that,
I got that murder energy.
1465
01:02:22,205 --> 01:02:24,707
What? You're not
rolling fucking...
1466
01:02:24,707 --> 01:02:26,309
I just...
1467
01:02:26,609 --> 01:02:28,511
Oh, my fucking God!
What are we...
1468
01:02:28,511 --> 01:02:30,313
What are we doing here?
What are we doing here?
1469
01:02:30,313 --> 01:02:32,215
I've been doing this
for four fucking years,
1470
01:02:32,215 --> 01:02:34,617
and now you're not even,
you can't roll fucking sound?
1471
01:02:34,617 --> 01:02:35,852
What?
1472
01:02:35,852 --> 01:02:38,087
I was supposed to be
a movie star, Pace!
1473
01:02:38,087 --> 01:02:39,789
I was supposed to be
a movie star!
1474
01:02:39,789 --> 01:02:41,224
Now I'm going to rehab,
1475
01:02:41,224 --> 01:02:43,092
and I'm gonna fucking work
at a McDonald's
1476
01:02:43,092 --> 01:02:44,293
because of this goddamn...
1477
01:02:44,293 --> 01:02:46,229
Fuck these fucking
asshole punks!
1478
01:02:46,229 --> 01:02:47,230
I'm fucking done!
1479
01:02:47,230 --> 01:02:51,567
I'm telling you,
Dustin is The Hollywood Killer.
1480
01:02:51,567 --> 01:02:53,503
That guy? That's a killer?
1481
01:02:53,503 --> 01:02:55,872
I mean, come on. He's so dumb.
1482
01:02:55,872 --> 01:02:57,840
Everybody knows this,
you know?
1483
01:02:57,840 --> 01:02:59,475
He's about as smart
as mayonnaise.
1484
01:02:59,475 --> 01:03:03,112
He's like the character from
Sling Blade in real life.
1485
01:03:03,746 --> 01:03:05,014
The only person
1486
01:03:05,014 --> 01:03:08,484
that Dustin really wanted
to kill was himself.
1487
01:03:09,385 --> 01:03:12,889
I can't do this anymore!
1488
01:03:12,889 --> 01:03:18,127
Why is this happening to me?
[sobbing]
1489
01:03:20,463 --> 01:03:23,533
Churchill famously said that,
when you are going through hell,
1490
01:03:23,533 --> 01:03:25,001
you just keep going.
1491
01:03:25,001 --> 01:03:28,271
Dustin's hell is within him,
but he is a coward,
1492
01:03:28,271 --> 01:03:30,373
so he distracts himself
with women.
1493
01:03:30,373 --> 01:03:32,108
He had a relationship
with Ava,
1494
01:03:32,108 --> 01:03:35,178
and then, obviously, he had
his relationship with Barbera,
1495
01:03:35,178 --> 01:03:37,814
and when she was killed,
he moved on to Greata,
1496
01:03:37,814 --> 01:03:39,015
and when she was killed,
1497
01:03:39,015 --> 01:03:41,584
he attempted a relationship
with Audrey.
1498
01:03:41,584 --> 01:03:44,620
The problem is that, when you
have that inferno within you,
1499
01:03:44,620 --> 01:03:48,558
when you want to taste
the heart of darkness,
1500
01:03:48,558 --> 01:03:49,892
you must release it,
1501
01:03:49,892 --> 01:03:51,894
because whether or not
you do it,
1502
01:03:51,894 --> 01:03:54,897
it will find you.
It will come for you.
1503
01:03:54,897 --> 01:03:57,466
And if you don't rise
to meet it,
1504
01:03:57,466 --> 01:03:59,068
it will swallow you whole.
1505
01:04:01,504 --> 01:04:03,873
- [Dustin] [squeals]
- I don't think that he's okay.
1506
01:04:03,873 --> 01:04:05,107
Mm, he's fine. He's okay.
1507
01:04:05,107 --> 01:04:06,709
[Dustin screaming gutturally]
1508
01:04:06,709 --> 01:04:08,110
Are we... Are we gonna break?
1509
01:04:08,110 --> 01:04:09,712
[Christopher] Yeah, break.
Get off set for a second.
1510
01:04:09,712 --> 01:04:11,113
- Just fuck off.
- [Dustin sobbing]
1511
01:04:11,113 --> 01:04:13,883
No, you can drink the water
out of my shot.
1512
01:04:13,883 --> 01:04:15,084
Get the fuck out.
1513
01:04:15,084 --> 01:04:17,320
[Dustin] Can somebody... Oh!
1514
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:18,354
I need my mom!
1515
01:04:18,354 --> 01:04:19,956
[Christopher] Yeah,
you know what, Marty?
1516
01:04:19,956 --> 01:04:21,991
I think you should clear out,
too.
1517
01:04:21,991 --> 01:04:28,064
[sobbing maniacally]
1518
01:04:29,498 --> 01:04:35,171
I pinned the camera down,
because I was watching a murder,
1519
01:04:35,171 --> 01:04:38,541
a very slow murder
in front of me.
1520
01:04:38,541 --> 01:04:41,143
[Thomas] During his tenure
on Dissident,
1521
01:04:41,143 --> 01:04:45,281
Dustin allegedly slept
with all three of the victims,
1522
01:04:45,648 --> 01:04:48,951
was committed to
a psychiatric ward twice,
1523
01:04:48,951 --> 01:04:53,756
and overdosed once
the day after Barbera died.
1524
01:04:53,756 --> 01:04:55,992
Dustin Scott
was never charged.
1525
01:04:55,992 --> 01:04:58,527
However, when Barbera
was murdered,
1526
01:04:58,527 --> 01:05:02,265
despite a public outcry
to shut down the film,
1527
01:05:02,265 --> 01:05:05,534
the search
for a new actress was on.
1528
01:05:05,768 --> 01:05:07,270
At this point,
1529
01:05:08,271 --> 01:05:11,574
uh, we are in the maelstrom.
1530
01:05:11,974 --> 01:05:14,110
This ship is taking on water.
1531
01:05:14,110 --> 01:05:16,812
The waves are crashing over
the deck.
1532
01:05:17,246 --> 01:05:19,382
The crew is mostly dead
of scurvy,
1533
01:05:19,382 --> 01:05:22,084
and the ones
that are still alive...
1534
01:05:23,819 --> 01:05:26,155
are considering mutiny.
1535
01:05:26,422 --> 01:05:30,559
And then at this exact moment,
a ship appears on the horizon.
1536
01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:32,728
A ship with its cannons firing
directly at us,
1537
01:05:32,728 --> 01:05:37,233
flying a pirate flag
with the name Greata Daniels.
1538
01:05:37,233 --> 01:05:39,835
- What is inside you?
- I've never died before.
1539
01:05:39,835 --> 01:05:41,103
You've never died before?
1540
01:05:41,103 --> 01:05:42,438
What a fucking statement
that is.
1541
01:05:42,438 --> 01:05:45,574
Fucking obvious.
What is inside you, Greata?
1542
01:05:45,574 --> 01:05:47,810
- Nothing.
- Exactly.
1543
01:05:47,810 --> 01:05:49,578
There's a saying in Hollywood.
1544
01:05:49,578 --> 01:05:51,380
The show must go on.
1545
01:05:51,380 --> 01:05:56,419
And with that, Dissident cast
its third lead actress,
1546
01:05:56,419 --> 01:05:58,020
Greata Daniels.
1547
01:05:58,020 --> 01:06:01,724
Sometimes I think
you just say fancy words
1548
01:06:01,724 --> 01:06:04,160
and think that they make sense,
1549
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,095
but they don't,
because you just want
1550
01:06:06,095 --> 01:06:07,763
to impress everybody around you.
1551
01:06:07,763 --> 01:06:11,867
Greata was a combination of
Marla Singer from Fight Club
1552
01:06:11,867 --> 01:06:14,270
and Amy Dunne from Gone Girl.
1553
01:06:14,270 --> 01:06:15,905
A beautiful disaster.
1554
01:06:15,905 --> 01:06:17,273
You're so creepy.
Do you know that?
1555
01:06:17,273 --> 01:06:18,274
It's part of the thing.
1556
01:06:18,274 --> 01:06:20,343
I love it, but, like,
1557
01:06:20,343 --> 01:06:22,745
the shit that comes out
of your mouth sometimes
1558
01:06:22,745 --> 01:06:24,714
is just mind-blowing.
1559
01:06:25,114 --> 01:06:27,016
[Pearl] Greata was
a shooting star in the sky.
1560
01:06:27,016 --> 01:06:32,455
Greata was a genius
1561
01:06:32,455 --> 01:06:33,823
wrapped in pain.
1562
01:06:33,823 --> 01:06:37,727
When I find girls like this,
I peel them like an onion.
1563
01:06:38,027 --> 01:06:40,329
And I peel all the pain
and the hurt
1564
01:06:40,329 --> 01:06:44,000
and the trauma
and the distrust.
1565
01:06:44,367 --> 01:06:46,302
And you know
what's in that onion?
1566
01:06:47,436 --> 01:06:48,738
A pearl.
1567
01:06:48,738 --> 01:06:50,806
I don't think Greata was ready
for Dissident,
1568
01:06:50,806 --> 01:06:55,044
but Dissident definitely
wasn't ready for Greata.
1569
01:06:55,044 --> 01:06:56,178
They explained this to me.
1570
01:06:56,178 --> 01:06:57,813
She, she's an alcoholic, right?
1571
01:06:57,813 --> 01:07:00,783
- That's what we're dealing with?
- No, no, no, no, no.
1572
01:07:00,783 --> 01:07:02,218
This just keeps her level.
1573
01:07:02,218 --> 01:07:04,820
- It keeps her on an even keel.
- It's my natural state.
1574
01:07:04,820 --> 01:07:07,323
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, so we
keep her at this even keel.
1575
01:07:07,323 --> 01:07:08,491
She's drunk
right at this moment?
1576
01:07:08,491 --> 01:07:09,725
No, no, I wouldn't
call it drunk.
1577
01:07:09,725 --> 01:07:11,193
- I would call it...
- You know what, Pearl?
1578
01:07:11,193 --> 01:07:12,661
A state of meditation.
1579
01:07:12,661 --> 01:07:14,897
That's exactly what we call it,
a state of meditation.
1580
01:07:14,897 --> 01:07:18,234
- It makes me a better actor.
- Yeah, and keep her even.
1581
01:07:18,601 --> 01:07:21,871
She was supposed to be
in rehab for 120 days.
1582
01:07:21,871 --> 01:07:25,608
We picked her up for production
[chuckles] on the 30th day.
1583
01:07:26,976 --> 01:07:28,911
I shot up
some Benadryl last night,
1584
01:07:28,911 --> 01:07:31,781
and then I did a lot of cocaine.
1585
01:07:32,481 --> 01:07:34,183
Do you think I'm gonna die?
1586
01:07:35,051 --> 01:07:36,018
What?
1587
01:07:36,786 --> 01:07:39,221
She just wasn't really easy
to work with,
1588
01:07:39,221 --> 01:07:42,425
but the second that she
really committed herself,
1589
01:07:42,425 --> 01:07:46,495
she's so talented
and incredible to watch.
1590
01:07:46,495 --> 01:07:50,299
I would find myself watching
her, like, magnetized almost,
1591
01:07:50,299 --> 01:07:52,435
like I could not take
my eyes away.
1592
01:07:52,435 --> 01:07:55,004
It was insane,
and everybody felt like that.
1593
01:07:55,004 --> 01:07:57,440
Everyone was obsessed
with her.
1594
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,175
I mean, she could
have been a cult leader,
1595
01:07:59,175 --> 01:08:01,110
and we all would have
blindly followed
1596
01:08:01,110 --> 01:08:03,846
her every single move.
1597
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,816
A little cute puppy,
and you just want to squeeze it
1598
01:08:06,816 --> 01:08:08,250
and throw it in the trash can.
1599
01:08:08,250 --> 01:08:09,819
I usually want to grab them
by their ankles and just,
1600
01:08:09,819 --> 01:08:11,053
you know, against the wall.
1601
01:08:11,053 --> 01:08:13,189
No, but, like, when a baby
is so cute, you just want to...
1602
01:08:13,189 --> 01:08:15,691
Greata was the most
unpredictable person
1603
01:08:15,691 --> 01:08:17,026
I've ever met.
1604
01:08:17,026 --> 01:08:20,129
I mean, you never knew which
version of her you would get
1605
01:08:20,129 --> 01:08:22,264
or if she would even show up.
1606
01:08:22,264 --> 01:08:24,100
Okay, I'll definitely
come tomorrow.
1607
01:08:24,100 --> 01:08:25,501
Okay, fantastic.
1608
01:08:25,501 --> 01:08:27,670
So, again, uh, Martin,
for you...
1609
01:08:27,670 --> 01:08:30,372
You couldn't count on Greata
for much,
1610
01:08:30,372 --> 01:08:31,807
but what you could count on is
1611
01:08:31,807 --> 01:08:35,244
the bigger the day, the less
likely it is she shows up.
1612
01:08:35,244 --> 01:08:37,279
[Tedd] Greata would just do
whatever she wanted.
1613
01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:39,215
It didn't matter
if she was shooting 30 minutes
1614
01:08:39,215 --> 01:08:40,883
or 30 hours on set.
1615
01:08:40,883 --> 01:08:43,986
She would just vanish.
Nobody could find her.
1616
01:08:44,353 --> 01:08:46,055
[Christopher]
All right, good morning, boys.
1617
01:08:46,055 --> 01:08:47,890
How we doing today?
Listen, I, uh,
1618
01:08:47,890 --> 01:08:49,191
I just got off the phone,
1619
01:08:49,191 --> 01:08:51,727
and Greata's gonna be
a no-show today.
1620
01:08:51,727 --> 01:08:52,595
[Martin] What?
1621
01:08:52,595 --> 01:08:53,896
Okay, yeah, Greata's not coming.
1622
01:08:53,896 --> 01:08:56,065
- What happened to Greata?
- Well, it doesn't matter.
1623
01:08:56,065 --> 01:08:58,100
A series of events
probably occurred,
1624
01:08:58,100 --> 01:09:00,536
all involving,
you know, strangers' dicks
1625
01:09:00,536 --> 01:09:02,972
and, uh, and, you know,
Colombian cocaine.
1626
01:09:02,972 --> 01:09:04,106
But that's not the point.
1627
01:09:04,106 --> 01:09:05,708
The point is she's not going
to be here.
1628
01:09:05,708 --> 01:09:07,309
[Chad] Greata's gonna do
whatever she wants
1629
01:09:07,309 --> 01:09:08,477
at any given moment.
1630
01:09:08,477 --> 01:09:11,013
Um, she's driven
purely by instinct
1631
01:09:11,013 --> 01:09:13,682
and her own id, I think.
1632
01:09:13,682 --> 01:09:16,619
If she wants cocaine,
that's what she's gonna do.
1633
01:09:16,619 --> 01:09:19,188
If she wants to show up on set,
great, she'll be there that day.
1634
01:09:19,188 --> 01:09:21,557
If not, tough shit.
1635
01:09:21,991 --> 01:09:24,660
[Ivan] We're getting ready
to do the big helicopter scene,
1636
01:09:24,660 --> 01:09:27,296
stuns several cameras,
everybody's in place.
1637
01:09:27,296 --> 01:09:30,199
It's a big, it's a big scene
to pull off.
1638
01:09:30,199 --> 01:09:31,934
Helicopter is in the air.
1639
01:09:31,934 --> 01:09:34,537
Everything is ready,
and Greata doesn't show up.
1640
01:09:34,537 --> 01:09:36,672
Yeah. No, it's okay.
We'll come get you.
1641
01:09:36,672 --> 01:09:38,674
Lisa, where's your fucking
client, boo?
1642
01:09:38,674 --> 01:09:41,277
- I'm leaving her a voicemail.
- She's not on the phone?
1643
01:09:41,277 --> 01:09:43,913
She is at a Vietnamese
restaurant in Burbank.
1644
01:09:43,913 --> 01:09:45,314
Okay, okay. Can we...
1645
01:09:45,314 --> 01:09:47,650
I think she just felt
1646
01:09:47,650 --> 01:09:50,586
that production revolved
around her.
1647
01:09:50,586 --> 01:09:54,190
No consideration for cast,
no consideration for crew,
1648
01:09:54,190 --> 01:09:56,125
no consideration for Pace.
1649
01:09:56,125 --> 01:09:57,660
Everyone out here is scared
of you.
1650
01:09:57,660 --> 01:09:59,962
I'm not scared of you.
I'm sexually attracted to you.
1651
01:09:59,962 --> 01:10:01,630
[Christopher] We're fucking
done! I'm done!
1652
01:10:01,630 --> 01:10:03,465
- Hi, sweetie. Yeah, okay.
- Fuck you! Fuck you!
1653
01:10:03,465 --> 01:10:07,036
Fuck her! I love you. I'm sorry.
It's not about you.
1654
01:10:07,036 --> 01:10:08,103
Fuck you! I'm done.
1655
01:10:08,103 --> 01:10:09,572
I love you too, Pace.
1656
01:10:09,572 --> 01:10:12,241
We contracted Greata
for nine months.
1657
01:10:12,241 --> 01:10:14,743
She was killed on the 60th day,
1658
01:10:15,010 --> 01:10:19,415
and of the 60 days,
she only showed up on set 37.
1659
01:10:19,415 --> 01:10:21,817
You can let her know,
or you let Tedd know,
1660
01:10:21,817 --> 01:10:23,385
that if she does not
come tomorrow,
1661
01:10:23,385 --> 01:10:24,587
I will fucking kill her,
1662
01:10:24,587 --> 01:10:26,021
'cause I don't appreciate
the volatility.
1663
01:10:26,021 --> 01:10:28,624
She's not here now,
she won't be here permanently.
1664
01:10:28,624 --> 01:10:29,558
That's it.
1665
01:10:29,558 --> 01:10:33,395
Greata was murdered that night
by THK.
1666
01:10:33,395 --> 01:10:35,464
The video of her murder,
like the others,
1667
01:10:35,464 --> 01:10:38,400
was posted
moments after it was taken.
1668
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:39,768
And the next day,
1669
01:10:39,768 --> 01:10:45,641
the FBI officially classified
THK as a serial killer.
1670
01:10:45,641 --> 01:10:47,376
And that's when I got involved.
1671
01:10:47,376 --> 01:10:52,014
[eerie music]
[Greata screaming]
1672
01:11:00,155 --> 01:11:06,495
There's a level of infamy
that a serial killer makes it to
1673
01:11:06,495 --> 01:11:08,831
when they become
known forever.
1674
01:11:08,831 --> 01:11:10,699
Pop culture icons.
1675
01:11:10,699 --> 01:11:12,935
White women can't get enough.
1676
01:11:12,935 --> 01:11:17,039
BTK, Night Stalker, Zodiac.
1677
01:11:17,473 --> 01:11:20,042
Now we've got
The Hollywood Killer.
1678
01:11:20,476 --> 01:11:22,578
The first thing I did
when I got on this case
1679
01:11:22,578 --> 01:11:24,680
was to subpoena the footage.
1680
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:26,048
Upon reviewing it, I learned
1681
01:11:26,048 --> 01:11:29,184
that the cameras were rolling
the entire time.
1682
01:11:29,184 --> 01:11:31,453
Something which I kept
to myself,
1683
01:11:31,453 --> 01:11:33,455
as I knew this would be
1684
01:11:33,455 --> 01:11:35,724
my greatest resource
of evidence.
1685
01:11:36,292 --> 01:11:38,160
And it was.
1686
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:39,662
If anything ever happened to me,
1687
01:11:39,662 --> 01:11:42,197
if I ever died,
look at fucking Melvin.
1688
01:11:42,197 --> 01:11:43,499
It's definitely Melvin.
1689
01:11:43,499 --> 01:11:46,435
It's never a good sign
when the murdered person
1690
01:11:46,435 --> 01:11:48,804
calls you out by name,
1691
01:11:48,804 --> 01:11:52,241
but that's what happened
to our fifth suspect.
1692
01:11:52,241 --> 01:11:54,209
Melvin Asher.
[eerie music]
1693
01:11:54,209 --> 01:11:56,745
The overwhelming theory
on Melvin
1694
01:11:56,745 --> 01:11:58,814
is that he wasn't happy
with the actresses
1695
01:11:58,814 --> 01:12:01,750
and killed them one by one
until he got
1696
01:12:01,750 --> 01:12:04,019
the one he thought
could win him an Oscar.
1697
01:12:04,019 --> 01:12:08,424
His relationship with Greata
certainly didn't help his case.
1698
01:12:08,424 --> 01:12:11,427
Greata, if you fuck this movie
up for me,
1699
01:12:11,427 --> 01:12:12,995
I'll kill you.
1700
01:12:12,995 --> 01:12:16,965
The three things I look for
in every serial killer's mind
1701
01:12:16,965 --> 01:12:20,569
are lack of remorse,
the need to control,
1702
01:12:20,569 --> 01:12:24,106
and narcissistic
personality disorder.
1703
01:12:24,373 --> 01:12:25,774
[Thomas] Can you tell me
a little bit
1704
01:12:25,774 --> 01:12:27,476
about your relationship
with Melvin?
1705
01:12:27,476 --> 01:12:29,411
Yeah, I, uh, [chuckles]
1706
01:12:29,411 --> 01:12:30,913
I was the lead
of The Tarantula Prince.
1707
01:12:30,913 --> 01:12:34,049
That's his first movie.
It's kind of what broke him out.
1708
01:12:34,049 --> 01:12:35,117
You're welcome.
1709
01:12:35,117 --> 01:12:39,388
[dramatic classical music]
[swashbuckler laughs]
1710
01:12:39,388 --> 01:12:42,224
- [sword swishes]
- To your death!
1711
01:12:42,224 --> 01:12:46,795
[swashbucklers grunting]
1712
01:13:01,310 --> 01:13:05,681
Yeah!
1713
01:13:06,281 --> 01:13:11,120
On paper, Melvin's probably
your prototype for a killer.
1714
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,555
He's got the size,
he's got the anger,
1715
01:13:13,555 --> 01:13:15,124
he's got the snapping,
1716
01:13:15,124 --> 01:13:16,725
all the psychosis that goes
1717
01:13:16,725 --> 01:13:18,394
into being able
to murder someone.
1718
01:13:18,394 --> 01:13:20,462
Hey, have you seen
this man's intensity?
1719
01:13:20,462 --> 01:13:21,864
Wait till you interview him.
1720
01:13:21,864 --> 01:13:23,699
That guy doesn't say anything
on accident.
1721
01:13:23,699 --> 01:13:27,569
I think his entire life story
is rehearsed in a mirror, man.
1722
01:13:28,103 --> 01:13:31,840
[grunting]
1723
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:35,310
Today is the day I win an Oscar.
1724
01:13:35,611 --> 01:13:38,414
I will win an Oscar today.
1725
01:13:38,414 --> 01:13:40,182
I am not a contender.
1726
01:13:40,182 --> 01:13:42,284
I am the fucking adventurer.
1727
01:13:42,284 --> 01:13:44,453
I will win this fucking Oscar.
1728
01:13:44,453 --> 01:13:46,688
I am not a loser. I am a winner.
1729
01:13:46,688 --> 01:13:49,825
I am not a bridesmaid.
I'm the fucking bride.
1730
01:13:49,825 --> 01:13:50,959
Let's go.
1731
01:13:52,494 --> 01:13:55,664
[Thomas]
Do you think there's any chance
1732
01:13:55,664 --> 01:13:58,934
that Melvin Asher
was the killer?
1733
01:13:58,934 --> 01:14:02,871
[inhales sharply] Yeah, sure.
Uh, it's, uh, possible.
1734
01:14:03,238 --> 01:14:06,208
If I was to write the story
of Melvin as murderer,
1735
01:14:06,208 --> 01:14:07,609
I would tell it like this.
1736
01:14:07,609 --> 01:14:09,812
A man who has already achieved
1737
01:14:09,812 --> 01:14:12,214
great wealth and success
and fame
1738
01:14:12,214 --> 01:14:14,149
from the movies he's done
and yet is not satisfied.
1739
01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:15,851
He wants prestige.
He wants something more.
1740
01:14:15,851 --> 01:14:18,253
He wants to be taken seriously.
And he finds himself
1741
01:14:18,253 --> 01:14:20,622
on a movie where he believes
he can do just that.
1742
01:14:20,622 --> 01:14:22,691
And yet there are women
1743
01:14:22,691 --> 01:14:25,461
that he perceives to be
in his way.
1744
01:14:25,461 --> 01:14:27,596
Now, what does a man
1745
01:14:27,596 --> 01:14:29,832
who knows
he cannot achieve happiness
1746
01:14:29,832 --> 01:14:32,935
unless he wins an award
for this film,
1747
01:14:32,935 --> 01:14:35,204
what is this man willing
to do?
1748
01:14:35,204 --> 01:14:36,839
Would he kill for it?
1749
01:14:36,839 --> 01:14:39,741
In this story,
I believe he does.
1750
01:14:39,741 --> 01:14:43,445
You know, signing on to
Dissident was a dream for me.
1751
01:14:43,445 --> 01:14:44,580
Hey, Melvin.
1752
01:14:44,580 --> 01:14:47,149
What do you think bad acting
looks like?
1753
01:14:48,550 --> 01:14:50,152
- Like bad acting?
- There it is.
1754
01:14:50,152 --> 01:14:52,688
I see it. It's, it's like this.
I see it right now.
1755
01:14:52,688 --> 01:14:54,389
- Stop it.
- All right. All right, let's go.
1756
01:14:54,389 --> 01:14:57,559
Working with Pace is something
1757
01:14:57,559 --> 01:15:01,263
I wish every performer
could do.
1758
01:15:01,597 --> 01:15:05,133
Okay, he pulls the artist
from the actor.
1759
01:15:05,133 --> 01:15:07,369
And after doing
the Quick and Quicker films
1760
01:15:07,369 --> 01:15:09,238
for the last decade,
1761
01:15:09,238 --> 01:15:10,739
it's what I needed.
1762
01:15:10,739 --> 01:15:13,509
But knowing this footage
is out there,
1763
01:15:13,509 --> 01:15:15,410
I can understand how people
1764
01:15:15,410 --> 01:15:17,279
could have this perception
of me.
1765
01:15:17,279 --> 01:15:22,551
I hope they know that I truly,
truly cared about this film.
1766
01:15:22,851 --> 01:15:25,320
And then at my core, I'm...
1767
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,656
You know, I'm just a good guy.
1768
01:15:27,656 --> 01:15:29,892
What the fuck, man?
1769
01:15:29,892 --> 01:15:33,095
Ivan, what are we
fucking doing?!
1770
01:15:34,129 --> 01:15:36,465
I know people have
their opinions on him,
1771
01:15:36,465 --> 01:15:38,534
but I love Melvin.
1772
01:15:38,534 --> 01:15:39,968
He's my godfather.
1773
01:15:39,968 --> 01:15:42,137
He took that role
very seriously.
1774
01:15:42,137 --> 01:15:44,740
He postponed production
on a major motion picture
1775
01:15:44,740 --> 01:15:46,508
so he wouldn't miss
the opening night
1776
01:15:46,508 --> 01:15:47,976
of my school play.
1777
01:15:47,976 --> 01:15:50,946
He taught me how to drive
when I was, like, 13.
1778
01:15:50,946 --> 01:15:55,450
And he was the first person
to say, "Do it,"
1779
01:15:55,450 --> 01:15:57,686
when I wanted to make movies.
1780
01:15:57,686 --> 01:16:01,757
That being said,
he had issues with the girls.
1781
01:16:02,391 --> 01:16:03,859
He fought with Ava.
1782
01:16:03,859 --> 01:16:05,561
It's really hard to act
with somebody who's so dumb,
1783
01:16:05,561 --> 01:16:06,628
but it's okay.
1784
01:16:06,628 --> 01:16:07,763
[Christopher]
This is a Melvin thing?
1785
01:16:07,763 --> 01:16:09,264
- Because of his stupidity?
- "So dumb"?
1786
01:16:09,264 --> 01:16:11,366
[Christopher] We had an entire
meeting about how stupid he is.
1787
01:16:11,366 --> 01:16:12,501
"So dumb"?
1788
01:16:12,501 --> 01:16:14,069
I mean, he has
45 million dollars, so...
1789
01:16:14,069 --> 01:16:17,773
Yeah, you know communication
is only 30% verbal, right?
1790
01:16:17,773 --> 01:16:19,274
So what you said doesn't matter.
1791
01:16:19,274 --> 01:16:21,310
I don't know that you know what
you're talking about at all.
1792
01:16:21,310 --> 01:16:22,544
I'm, guys, I'm so tired.
1793
01:16:22,544 --> 01:16:23,912
I really am hungry
and I gotta go.
1794
01:16:23,912 --> 01:16:25,047
[Christopher] Don't run away
from the fight.
1795
01:16:25,047 --> 01:16:26,582
- Just engage with him.
- Oh, no, no, no--
1796
01:16:26,582 --> 01:16:28,050
He's an asshole. He's the worst.
1797
01:16:28,050 --> 01:16:30,118
An asshole? I was trying
to help. I was trying to help.
1798
01:16:30,118 --> 01:16:32,387
- Subtext, okay? Great, awesome.
- Oh, yeah.
1799
01:16:32,387 --> 01:16:33,388
Oh, okay. So you're just--
1800
01:16:33,388 --> 01:16:35,824
You're so smart, sweetie.
Yeah, just look pretty.
1801
01:16:35,824 --> 01:16:37,726
You're very handsome.
That's good for you.
1802
01:16:37,726 --> 01:16:39,261
- Thank you. I appreciate that.
- Can we go?
1803
01:16:39,261 --> 01:16:42,297
He never thought Barbera
was right for the role.
1804
01:16:42,631 --> 01:16:44,800
- Get rid of her.
- No, I--
1805
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:46,535
You know how much money
that's gonna cost?
1806
01:16:46,535 --> 01:16:47,936
You know,
all the things involved.
1807
01:16:47,936 --> 01:16:49,705
I don't know if I have it in me.
1808
01:16:49,705 --> 01:16:53,075
John, it'll cost you less money.
I'll waive my fee.
1809
01:16:53,075 --> 01:16:54,643
And Greata?
1810
01:16:54,643 --> 01:16:58,180
Well, he despised Greata.
1811
01:16:58,580 --> 01:17:00,315
This has been the pinnacle
of my career,
1812
01:17:00,315 --> 01:17:01,917
working with each and every one
of you.
1813
01:17:01,917 --> 01:17:04,853
I appreciate and I love
1814
01:17:05,153 --> 01:17:07,990
every single one of you
on this set, okay?
1815
01:17:07,990 --> 01:17:09,858
And I just wanna,
I just wanna thank you.
1816
01:17:09,858 --> 01:17:12,227
I love you all.
Uh, except for Greata.
1817
01:17:12,227 --> 01:17:14,496
I hope she fucking dies.
All right, that's it.
1818
01:17:14,496 --> 01:17:15,864
- Let's go.
- You're done?
1819
01:17:15,864 --> 01:17:19,334
Working with Greata was
the worst experience of my life.
1820
01:17:19,701 --> 01:17:22,270
- She even know here lines?
- You know your line?
1821
01:17:22,270 --> 01:17:23,438
[obnoxious chewing]
1822
01:17:23,438 --> 01:17:25,707
- Of course I know my lines.
- Can you say for me, please?
1823
01:17:28,610 --> 01:17:31,046
- Pearl?
- There you go.
1824
01:17:31,046 --> 01:17:34,149
Greata did not deserve
to be in this movie.
1825
01:17:34,149 --> 01:17:37,719
She had no respect for the craft
or her fellow actors.
1826
01:17:37,719 --> 01:17:38,987
She didn't even remember
her fucking line!
1827
01:17:38,987 --> 01:17:40,288
Okay, okay, okay.
You know what I want?
1828
01:17:40,288 --> 01:17:41,790
Where's her juice?
Where's her fucking--
1829
01:17:41,790 --> 01:17:42,958
No, no, this is what we need.
1830
01:17:42,958 --> 01:17:44,693
You've done the action films,
right? Okay?
1831
01:17:44,693 --> 01:17:45,994
I want you to apply
some pressure.
1832
01:17:45,994 --> 01:17:47,262
Sleeper hold.
Don't let her pass out!
1833
01:17:47,262 --> 01:17:49,197
Bro, you gotta fucking
microdose her!
1834
01:17:49,197 --> 01:17:50,198
Just a little bit.
1835
01:17:50,198 --> 01:17:51,566
- Give her her alcohol.
- That's the microdose!
1836
01:17:51,566 --> 01:17:55,070
[Melvin] I wanted to be
exceptional in this film.
1837
01:17:55,070 --> 01:17:56,772
And she was inhibiting me
1838
01:17:56,772 --> 01:17:59,408
from reaching my potential
with this character.
1839
01:17:59,408 --> 01:18:01,176
And I have to be honest.
1840
01:18:03,145 --> 01:18:05,047
It affected me.
1841
01:18:05,447 --> 01:18:09,551
Greata, do you know how many
scenes in cars I've had to do
1842
01:18:09,551 --> 01:18:13,055
to do this scene
in this fucking car?
1843
01:18:13,522 --> 01:18:17,125
First you threaten me,
and then you fucking yell at me!
1844
01:18:17,125 --> 01:18:18,660
I don't know
who you think you are,
1845
01:18:18,660 --> 01:18:20,362
but you're messing
with the wrong person.
1846
01:18:20,362 --> 01:18:22,431
You really don't wanna
fucking threaten me.
1847
01:18:22,431 --> 01:18:26,702
Melvin hates Greata
more than I hate Tedd.
1848
01:18:27,169 --> 01:18:31,506
My entire fucking life
I worked to be here!
1849
01:18:31,506 --> 01:18:34,643
In this car? Right now?
God, that must be depressing.
1850
01:18:34,643 --> 01:18:37,312
[Martin] It was never-ending,
all day,
1851
01:18:37,312 --> 01:18:40,482
every day.
Greata, Greata, Greata.
1852
01:18:41,450 --> 01:18:43,085
[sighs]
1853
01:18:43,351 --> 01:18:44,553
She's doing fucking coke.
1854
01:18:44,553 --> 01:18:46,621
She's showing up late.
It's un-fucking-believable, man!
1855
01:18:46,621 --> 01:18:48,023
[Martin] Hey, calm down.
1856
01:18:48,023 --> 01:18:51,293
No, no, she's fucking up
Pace's words, right?
1857
01:18:51,293 --> 01:18:55,063
She's fucking up Ivan's vision,
and she's fucking up my Oscar!
1858
01:18:55,363 --> 01:18:56,832
It's fucking, God...
1859
01:18:56,832 --> 01:18:59,301
If it's meant to be,
you'll get the Oscar.
1860
01:18:59,301 --> 01:19:01,837
- I am gonna get the Oscar.
- That's what I'm talking about.
1861
01:19:01,837 --> 01:19:05,640
She's fucking it up, man!
Pisses me off.
1862
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:07,876
If all that wasn't enough,
1863
01:19:07,876 --> 01:19:11,146
Pace got Melvin to confess
to the murders.
1864
01:19:11,146 --> 01:19:13,915
You can do it.
"I strangled those three women."
1865
01:19:13,915 --> 01:19:16,118
- I strangled those three women.
- "And it felt good."
1866
01:19:16,118 --> 01:19:18,386
- And it felt good.
- "And it felt right."
1867
01:19:18,386 --> 01:19:20,489
- And it felt right.
- "Because it was right.
1868
01:19:20,489 --> 01:19:23,158
- Especially fucking Greata."
- [inhales sharply]
1869
01:19:23,158 --> 01:19:25,160
Oh, yeah, that one! That one!
1870
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:26,361
[roars]
1871
01:19:26,361 --> 01:19:27,763
- Yes! Yes.
- [roars]
1872
01:19:27,763 --> 01:19:30,265
- That one felt good.
- [roars]
1873
01:19:30,265 --> 01:19:33,969
[Smitty] When he admitted
that he did the murder,
1874
01:19:33,969 --> 01:19:36,204
we didn't know whether
it was maybe performance,
1875
01:19:36,204 --> 01:19:39,274
you know, he's going after
that Oscar or not,
1876
01:19:39,274 --> 01:19:42,844
but, man, we all looked around
and said, "Holy shit."
1877
01:19:44,112 --> 01:19:46,948
[Thomas] What do you have
to say about the confession?
1878
01:19:48,650 --> 01:19:50,318
Method acting.
1879
01:19:51,286 --> 01:19:54,923
Melvin never wanted Ava,
Barbera, or Greata
1880
01:19:54,923 --> 01:19:56,491
in Dissident.
1881
01:19:56,491 --> 01:20:00,295
There was only one actress he
thought was right for the part.
1882
01:20:00,295 --> 01:20:03,865
And after every murder,
he would pitch her to Tedd.
1883
01:20:03,865 --> 01:20:06,368
Sort of singles
until we find a new actress.
1884
01:20:06,368 --> 01:20:07,969
- By the way, I talked to Tedd.
- Huh?
1885
01:20:07,969 --> 01:20:09,938
- Audrey's available.
- Who?
1886
01:20:09,938 --> 01:20:11,406
Audrey Evans.
1887
01:20:11,406 --> 01:20:13,475
Who is Audrey Evans?
1888
01:20:13,475 --> 01:20:14,576
You feel inspired?
1889
01:20:14,576 --> 01:20:17,779
No, I don't feel inspired.
I'm fucking freezing.
1890
01:20:17,779 --> 01:20:19,815
You can't take inspiration
from the cold?
1891
01:20:19,815 --> 01:20:21,950
I fucking hate you.
I, I fucking hate you.
1892
01:20:21,950 --> 01:20:23,785
I fantasize
about you fucking dying.
1893
01:20:23,785 --> 01:20:25,887
I hope you get fucking syphilis.
You probably already have it
1894
01:20:25,887 --> 01:20:27,189
because you're sleeping
with Ava.
1895
01:20:27,189 --> 01:20:29,324
I fucking hate you.
Everyone fucking hates you!
1896
01:20:29,324 --> 01:20:31,793
- Okay, okay, okay.
- And I hope you fucking die!
1897
01:20:31,793 --> 01:20:34,696
Now let's meet our fourth
and final girl,
1898
01:20:34,696 --> 01:20:36,264
Audrey Evans.
1899
01:20:36,264 --> 01:20:38,767
Audrey Evans, I, I'm a big fan.
1900
01:20:38,767 --> 01:20:40,235
She's really
an excellent actress.
1901
01:20:40,235 --> 01:20:41,670
She does all her own stunts.
1902
01:20:41,670 --> 01:20:44,506
There's really very little
that she has not accomplished.
1903
01:20:44,506 --> 01:20:47,976
I do think that her ending up
in Dissident makes sense.
1904
01:20:47,976 --> 01:20:50,946
She's there in a way
to avenge
1905
01:20:50,946 --> 01:20:53,081
her co-star from Blue Orchid,
Greata,
1906
01:20:53,081 --> 01:20:55,116
who had a tragic fate
on Dissident.
1907
01:20:55,116 --> 01:20:57,285
And I think, I think
she kicks ass in the film.
1908
01:20:57,285 --> 01:20:59,554
I think she does a great job.
1909
01:21:00,188 --> 01:21:03,058
I was so excited
to do this movie.
1910
01:21:04,159 --> 01:21:05,327
But...
1911
01:21:05,994 --> 01:21:07,863
The time has come.
1912
01:21:13,501 --> 01:21:15,003
For what?
1913
01:21:16,938 --> 01:21:18,440
It's time.
1914
01:21:19,908 --> 01:21:24,579
[laughing] I'm sorry.
Are we going?
1915
01:21:24,579 --> 01:21:25,614
This film was a nightmare.
1916
01:21:25,614 --> 01:21:28,316
I've never had a worse time
doing something.
1917
01:21:28,316 --> 01:21:30,252
They don't give you a script.
1918
01:21:30,252 --> 01:21:31,486
They don't tell you
what's happening.
1919
01:21:31,486 --> 01:21:33,788
You don't even know who else
is in the scene.
1920
01:21:33,788 --> 01:21:35,390
They just go.
They press record.
1921
01:21:35,390 --> 01:21:37,859
Actually, I don't even know
if they ever did press record
1922
01:21:37,859 --> 01:21:39,527
because it's just
constantly rolling.
1923
01:21:39,527 --> 01:21:41,830
You just go.
And people are just saying shit.
1924
01:21:41,830 --> 01:21:43,531
And you just have to go with it.
1925
01:21:43,531 --> 01:21:45,967
Why are you going along
with what he says?
1926
01:21:45,967 --> 01:21:47,369
Sister, I'm at the bottom
of the call sheet.
1927
01:21:47,369 --> 01:21:49,437
"Sister"?
What am I the fucking sister?
1928
01:21:49,437 --> 01:21:50,338
It's not my place!
1929
01:21:50,338 --> 01:21:51,840
I thought you were
my fucking friend.
1930
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:53,208
- You are a joke.
- I am your friend.
1931
01:21:53,208 --> 01:21:55,143
- You fucking pussy!
- Ah! I'm your friend!
1932
01:21:55,143 --> 01:21:56,478
- You're a fucking loser!
- I'm your friend!
1933
01:21:56,478 --> 01:21:59,414
- You're a fucking--
- No! No! Ah!
1934
01:21:59,414 --> 01:22:01,283
- Not in the water!
- I fucking hate you!
1935
01:22:01,283 --> 01:22:03,618
I thought you were my friend,
you piece of shit!
1936
01:22:03,618 --> 01:22:06,888
Why are you just going along
with whatever the fuck he says?
1937
01:22:06,888 --> 01:22:09,691
[indistinct]
1938
01:22:09,691 --> 01:22:11,693
I have no control here.
1939
01:22:11,693 --> 01:22:12,961
What you have to understand
1940
01:22:12,961 --> 01:22:15,063
is that Audrey
comes into this film,
1941
01:22:15,063 --> 01:22:16,865
I don't know, 500 days into it
or something.
1942
01:22:16,865 --> 01:22:19,868
She's the fourth actress.
Three actresses have died.
1943
01:22:19,868 --> 01:22:21,336
She's got a lot
on her shoulders.
1944
01:22:21,336 --> 01:22:24,339
I mean, this is someone
who is following in footsteps
1945
01:22:24,339 --> 01:22:26,007
that are basically tainted.
1946
01:22:26,007 --> 01:22:27,542
And finally, most fundamental,
1947
01:22:27,542 --> 01:22:29,177
have you ever been inside
a Turkish prison?
1948
01:22:29,177 --> 01:22:31,446
- Why are you yelling?
- Why am I yelling?
1949
01:22:31,446 --> 01:22:33,648
Because I'm fucking passionate!
Why aren't you yelling?
1950
01:22:33,648 --> 01:22:38,320
After her first week on set,
Audrey called me and she said,
1951
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:41,389
"I'm going to take over
this fucking movie."
1952
01:22:41,389 --> 01:22:44,859
Some people get on a bad set
and they see it as a problem.
1953
01:22:45,193 --> 01:22:47,796
I see it as an opportunity.
1954
01:22:48,363 --> 01:22:51,967
An opportunity to take over
the whole fucking production.
1955
01:22:53,568 --> 01:22:55,670
Choose a fucking side.
1956
01:22:57,539 --> 01:22:58,974
[Christopher] Cut!
1957
01:22:58,974 --> 01:23:01,910
Holy shit. [screams] Oh, my God.
1958
01:23:01,910 --> 01:23:03,812
Oh, calm down.
It's not even loaded.
1959
01:23:03,812 --> 01:23:05,080
Sorry.
1960
01:23:05,347 --> 01:23:08,984
I started off
as Audrey's assistant,
1961
01:23:08,984 --> 01:23:10,618
um, which, as we all know,
1962
01:23:10,618 --> 01:23:13,989
and you guys have seen,
um, was brutal.
1963
01:23:13,989 --> 01:23:16,925
Sandra, get the fuck out. Go on!
1964
01:23:16,925 --> 01:23:18,326
[Sandra] Oh, God. Oh, sorry.
1965
01:23:18,326 --> 01:23:21,730
I was one
of Audrey's biggest fans.
1966
01:23:21,730 --> 01:23:23,365
Oh, it's so hot.
1967
01:23:23,365 --> 01:23:25,033
Your mother called
and your agent called.
1968
01:23:25,033 --> 01:23:26,768
Who would you like me
to call back first?
1969
01:23:26,768 --> 01:23:27,969
- My agent.
- Okay.
1970
01:23:27,969 --> 01:23:29,938
I got that. Oh, let me see.
1971
01:23:29,938 --> 01:23:32,540
I mean, I grew up looking up
to her.
1972
01:23:32,540 --> 01:23:35,210
She's one of those people
that does her own stunts.
1973
01:23:35,210 --> 01:23:38,913
She's like the modern day
female version of Tom Cruise.
1974
01:23:38,913 --> 01:23:40,515
She's pretty incredible
and amazing.
1975
01:23:40,515 --> 01:23:43,585
Um, except she's just
a terrible person.
1976
01:23:44,552 --> 01:23:46,087
[crying]
I'm just really overwhelmed!
1977
01:23:46,087 --> 01:23:48,256
How is he supposed to do his job
if you're standing here crying?
1978
01:23:48,256 --> 01:23:51,426
- Yeah, you think about that.
- Waa! Waa! Waa! Waa!
1979
01:23:51,426 --> 01:23:54,829
Oh, my God,
just go to my trailer!
1980
01:23:55,163 --> 01:23:58,166
Fuck me! Sorry, she's just...
1981
01:23:58,166 --> 01:24:00,235
I remember Audrey's first day.
1982
01:24:00,235 --> 01:24:01,503
Pace said he wanted to test her,
1983
01:24:01,503 --> 01:24:04,372
but I think he wanted
to make her quit.
1984
01:24:04,372 --> 01:24:07,475
[Christopher] I need
less acting from the fire!
1985
01:24:07,475 --> 01:24:10,945
- [coughing]
- Down! Take it down!
1986
01:24:10,945 --> 01:24:13,882
[Martin] Look, we burned
through 11 Ferraris that day
1987
01:24:13,882 --> 01:24:16,017
to get a 10-second scene.
1988
01:24:16,284 --> 01:24:19,254
To Audrey, this was
all insane, but to all of us,
1989
01:24:19,254 --> 01:24:22,690
this was just another
typical day on Dissident.
1990
01:24:22,690 --> 01:24:25,593
[Audrey] You met me at
a strange time in my life.
1991
01:24:29,297 --> 01:24:32,200
We were so fortunate
to have Audrey.
1992
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:33,568
She made this movie
1993
01:24:33,568 --> 01:24:36,404
and was just a pleasure
to share scenes with.
1994
01:24:36,404 --> 01:24:38,907
I know Audrey hated
Pace's methods,
1995
01:24:38,907 --> 01:24:40,875
but that's what it takes.
1996
01:24:40,875 --> 01:24:44,646
He does whatever he needs to get
the best out of you.
1997
01:24:44,646 --> 01:24:46,581
The real question
before we begin is,
1998
01:24:46,581 --> 01:24:49,784
do either of you know
what a paradox is?
1999
01:24:49,784 --> 01:24:51,653
- No.
- God, no.
2000
01:24:51,653 --> 01:24:54,089
And that's what he did
for Audrey.
2001
01:24:54,089 --> 01:24:55,990
He challenged her.
2002
01:24:55,990 --> 01:24:58,426
Both of you are movie stars
2003
01:24:58,426 --> 01:25:00,995
and yet are completely
without talent.
2004
01:25:00,995 --> 01:25:02,430
- This is a paradox.
- What?
2005
01:25:02,430 --> 01:25:04,799
It's not
that she's deeply untalented.
2006
01:25:04,799 --> 01:25:05,800
I won't say that.
2007
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:08,837
I, I don't think Audrey
is, is untalented.
2008
01:25:08,837 --> 01:25:10,638
The, the issue is, you know,
2009
01:25:10,638 --> 01:25:13,741
what is your talent,
uh, being used for?
2010
01:25:13,741 --> 01:25:16,845
And like a cancer,
uh, Audrey's talent
2011
01:25:16,845 --> 01:25:22,083
is to turn the facets of life
of the film
2012
01:25:22,083 --> 01:25:23,184
in on themselves
2013
01:25:23,184 --> 01:25:25,820
and to destroy
from, from within.
2014
01:25:25,820 --> 01:25:30,658
Um, so a talented girl,
uh, uh, a terrible actress.
2015
01:25:30,658 --> 01:25:33,795
[Dustin] Whether you like him
or not, Pace is the boss.
2016
01:25:34,195 --> 01:25:36,764
And Audrey always wants to be
the boss.
2017
01:25:36,764 --> 01:25:37,932
She's a control freak.
2018
01:25:37,932 --> 01:25:41,469
She needs to take over
everything and manipulate it.
2019
01:25:41,469 --> 01:25:44,105
I'm about to
fucking direct this myself
2020
01:25:44,105 --> 01:25:45,907
if you don't fucking figure
your shit out!
2021
01:25:45,907 --> 01:25:49,511
I have, like, 0% body fat,
I'm fucking freezing,
2022
01:25:49,511 --> 01:25:52,380
and this has been going on
way too long!
2023
01:25:53,515 --> 01:25:54,716
Ah, shit!
2024
01:25:54,716 --> 01:25:57,819
- Don't fucking touch me!
- I don't know.
2025
01:25:57,819 --> 01:25:59,487
God, fuck!
2026
01:25:59,487 --> 01:26:01,923
I need you
to get this pine cone down!
2027
01:26:01,923 --> 01:26:05,326
Oh, my God! Where are you going?
2028
01:26:05,326 --> 01:26:07,962
To get the pine cone down!
2029
01:26:08,263 --> 01:26:09,831
[Audrey] I called Tedd,
crying,
2030
01:26:09,831 --> 01:26:13,201
begged him to get me out
of this shit show.
2031
01:26:13,535 --> 01:26:16,104
And I'll never forget
what he said.
2032
01:26:16,504 --> 01:26:19,908
He said, "The only way you're
getting out of this film
2033
01:26:19,908 --> 01:26:21,543
is in a body bag."
2034
01:26:24,412 --> 01:26:27,315
You just make up your mind,
I will do whatever you want.
2035
01:26:27,315 --> 01:26:30,385
Just choose one thing
and I will fucking...
2036
01:26:30,385 --> 01:26:31,586
[Christopher]
You'll do whatever I want?
2037
01:26:31,586 --> 01:26:32,954
I will, I will do
whatever you want.
2038
01:26:32,954 --> 01:26:35,924
[Christopher] That's fantastic.
Quit! Quit.
2039
01:26:37,292 --> 01:26:38,593
Quit. Leave the set.
2040
01:26:38,593 --> 01:26:41,629
I can't fire you 'cause I, I
already fired, uh, Barb,
2041
01:26:41,629 --> 01:26:43,164
tried to, then they killed her.
2042
01:26:43,164 --> 01:26:44,365
Greata, tried,
then they killed her.
2043
01:26:44,365 --> 01:26:45,900
Well, hopefully,
they'll fucking kill me.
2044
01:26:45,900 --> 01:26:48,236
[Christopher] I... God, you're
preaching to the fucking choir!
2045
01:26:48,236 --> 01:26:50,071
But if you want to avoid that,
2046
01:26:50,071 --> 01:26:52,106
why don't you just walk off
the set?
2047
01:26:52,340 --> 01:26:54,209
You know what I mean?
Wouldn't that be easier?
2048
01:26:54,209 --> 01:26:55,610
You just let go.
2049
01:26:55,610 --> 01:26:57,512
Imagine someone has their hands
around your throat, okay?
2050
01:26:57,512 --> 01:26:58,846
Just tell me what you want--
2051
01:26:58,846 --> 01:27:00,381
[Christopher] And they're--
I want you to quit.
2052
01:27:00,381 --> 01:27:01,783
I just want you to die.
You're struggling.
2053
01:27:01,783 --> 01:27:03,518
You're fighting back.
Just let go.
2054
01:27:03,518 --> 01:27:06,821
Let darkness take you.
Return to the void.
2055
01:27:06,821 --> 01:27:08,623
Just let go. There it is.
2056
01:27:08,623 --> 01:27:10,425
There it is. She's letting go.
2057
01:27:10,425 --> 01:27:12,961
We see that? Let go. Okay.
2058
01:27:12,961 --> 01:27:14,062
Keep letting go.
2059
01:27:14,062 --> 01:27:15,430
Beautiful. Can we roll?
2060
01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:18,866
- We rolling? Okay. Let go.
- [Ivan] Yeah, we're rolling.
2061
01:27:19,434 --> 01:27:22,770
[Christopher] This is beautiful.
All right. And action.
2062
01:27:23,838 --> 01:27:25,440
[heavy breathing]
2063
01:27:25,440 --> 01:27:28,476
No, you're holding on.
Let go. Let go!
2064
01:27:28,476 --> 01:27:30,678
No, don't make a snow angel.
There it is!
2065
01:27:30,678 --> 01:27:31,646
She let go.
2066
01:27:31,646 --> 01:27:33,915
Pace can say he hated Audrey
all he wants,
2067
01:27:33,915 --> 01:27:36,784
but he did all of this
very intentionally to get
2068
01:27:36,784 --> 01:27:39,254
the performance out of her
that he wanted.
2069
01:27:39,254 --> 01:27:40,788
And it worked.
2070
01:27:41,522 --> 01:27:43,191
[shallow breathing]
2071
01:27:43,191 --> 01:27:46,494
If you're lucky enough to get
out of here with your life,
2072
01:27:46,494 --> 01:27:49,497
you better thank whatever God
you pray to.
2073
01:27:49,497 --> 01:27:50,965
[sinister laughing]
2074
01:27:50,965 --> 01:27:52,634
[Christopher] You don't work
with people like Audrey.
2075
01:27:52,634 --> 01:27:54,602
You subvert them.
You survive them.
2076
01:27:54,602 --> 01:27:57,205
You participate
in little wars against them.
2077
01:27:57,205 --> 01:28:00,275
Small coups. You undermine them.
2078
01:28:01,209 --> 01:28:03,411
And you hope to God
that they die
2079
01:28:03,411 --> 01:28:05,213
of some sort of coronary event
2080
01:28:05,213 --> 01:28:07,181
before they ever complete
whatever task
2081
01:28:07,181 --> 01:28:08,850
they have set out on.
2082
01:28:09,684 --> 01:28:11,119
[grumbles]
2083
01:28:11,419 --> 01:28:14,289
Which brings us
to Audrey's attempted murder.
2084
01:28:14,289 --> 01:28:16,724
As you have seen,
even someone as gifted
2085
01:28:16,724 --> 01:28:18,493
as gifted as
The Hollywood Killer
2086
01:28:18,493 --> 01:28:21,996
was not able to complete
a scene with her.
2087
01:28:21,996 --> 01:28:23,998
Or was he?
2088
01:28:23,998 --> 01:28:31,806
[unsettling music]
2089
01:29:32,433 --> 01:29:34,402
[gasps] [screams]
2090
01:29:41,175 --> 01:29:43,578
Despite...
2091
01:29:43,578 --> 01:29:47,515
having all
of the circumstances
2092
01:29:47,515 --> 01:29:49,650
that allowed him to complete
2093
01:29:49,650 --> 01:29:53,321
these previous murders
successfully abdicates.
2094
01:29:53,321 --> 01:29:56,124
Have you seen the video?
He lets her go.
2095
01:29:56,124 --> 01:29:58,693
[choking] Help!
2096
01:29:58,693 --> 01:30:02,263
[choking]
[bellowing]
2097
01:30:02,263 --> 01:30:06,067
[panting] [grunts] Help!
2098
01:30:06,467 --> 01:30:07,869
Production on Dissident
wrapped
2099
01:30:07,869 --> 01:30:09,604
two days
after the attempted murder,
2100
01:30:09,604 --> 01:30:11,806
and as of the recording
of this interview,
2101
01:30:11,806 --> 01:30:14,409
The Hollywood Killer
has stopped,
2102
01:30:14,709 --> 01:30:17,345
leading many people
to believe that the killings
2103
01:30:17,345 --> 01:30:19,714
were motivated
by the killer's desire
2104
01:30:19,714 --> 01:30:21,616
to shut down Dissident.
2105
01:30:22,250 --> 01:30:23,885
With that in mind,
2106
01:30:23,885 --> 01:30:27,422
I want to look back
at all of the suspects.
2107
01:30:27,722 --> 01:30:29,824
Christopher Pace swore
2108
01:30:29,824 --> 01:30:32,860
that he would do anything
to protect his film,
2109
01:30:32,860 --> 01:30:35,096
even burn it to the ground.
2110
01:30:35,096 --> 01:30:39,233
Lawrence Hughes was devastated
with Ava leaving him
2111
01:30:39,233 --> 01:30:42,036
and vowed to destroy the film.
2112
01:30:42,036 --> 01:30:43,037
Tedd Mankiewicz,
2113
01:30:43,037 --> 01:30:45,273
with a billion-dollar divorce
looming,
2114
01:30:45,273 --> 01:30:49,177
his reputation on the line,
and an ego-shattering affair
2115
01:30:49,177 --> 01:30:51,145
between Dustin and Barbera,
2116
01:30:51,145 --> 01:30:55,817
some say Dissident hurt Tedd
more than anyone else.
2117
01:30:55,817 --> 01:30:59,587
No one wanted the film to end
more than Dustin.
2118
01:30:59,587 --> 01:31:02,423
His downward spiral
of heartbreak, addiction,
2119
01:31:02,423 --> 01:31:07,462
and death took him to the edge
and pushed him right off.
2120
01:31:07,728 --> 01:31:12,366
Melvin Asher, on his quest
for perfection, as an actor,
2121
01:31:12,366 --> 01:31:15,770
Melvin made it clear
that he would destroy anyone
2122
01:31:15,770 --> 01:31:17,939
who stood in his way.
2123
01:31:17,939 --> 01:31:19,974
When I started,
I thought I was trying
2124
01:31:19,974 --> 01:31:22,043
to find something like
the Zodiac Killer.
2125
01:31:22,043 --> 01:31:25,413
But the longer this went on,
the more I realized this may be
2126
01:31:25,413 --> 01:31:28,416
more of
a Orient Express situation.
2127
01:31:28,416 --> 01:31:30,618
All the suspects
were isolated,
2128
01:31:30,618 --> 01:31:34,822
fed disinformation,
then weaponized with rage.
2129
01:31:34,822 --> 01:31:37,692
Hollywood Killer's
cinematic fingerprint
2130
01:31:37,692 --> 01:31:39,660
is different
in each of the murders.
2131
01:31:39,660 --> 01:31:41,529
We are watching
different killers
2132
01:31:41,529 --> 01:31:43,698
working from the same script.
2133
01:31:43,698 --> 01:31:46,901
But the question is,
who wrote it?
2134
01:31:46,901 --> 01:31:50,538
After 20 years
of profiling serial killers,
2135
01:31:50,538 --> 01:31:52,773
there's one thing
I can tell you.
2136
01:31:52,773 --> 01:31:55,009
There's no way one suspect
2137
01:31:55,009 --> 01:31:56,911
could have killed
all three victims.
2138
01:31:56,911 --> 01:31:59,480
And there's no way
these people work together.
2139
01:31:59,480 --> 01:32:01,949
So after considering
all possibilities,
2140
01:32:01,949 --> 01:32:04,552
only one person
stood to benefit
2141
01:32:04,552 --> 01:32:06,487
from all three deaths.
2142
01:32:06,487 --> 01:32:08,856
The man who owns 20%
of the film,
2143
01:32:08,856 --> 01:32:11,626
who kept the cameras rolling
the whole time,
2144
01:32:11,626 --> 01:32:14,662
and used the murders
of these three actresses
2145
01:32:14,662 --> 01:32:18,165
to launch the most impactful
marketing campaign
2146
01:32:18,165 --> 01:32:20,001
in cinema history.
2147
01:32:24,038 --> 01:32:26,307
They say there's nothing
more deceptive
2148
01:32:26,307 --> 01:32:27,909
than an obvious fact.
2149
01:32:27,909 --> 01:32:31,946
And the fact is
the mastermind of all of this
2150
01:32:31,946 --> 01:32:36,117
was there the whole time,
hiding in plain sight.
2151
01:32:36,117 --> 01:32:38,819
I've been working on this
documentary for a long time.
2152
01:32:38,819 --> 01:32:41,956
And I think when it comes out
and people see this,
2153
01:32:41,956 --> 01:32:44,592
they're going to think
that you did this on purpose.
2154
01:32:45,159 --> 01:32:46,961
You know what?
2155
01:32:46,961 --> 01:32:51,299
This world is all about
the court of public opinion.
2156
01:32:51,299 --> 01:32:53,167
And I'm not interested in it.
2157
01:32:53,167 --> 01:32:55,836
I'm just interested
in creating art.
2158
01:32:55,836 --> 01:32:59,040
Hopefully, my work will be
judged by the art that I leave,
2159
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:00,241
that I create.
2160
01:33:00,241 --> 01:33:02,510
There's no denying that.
Dissident is a masterpiece
2161
01:33:02,510 --> 01:33:05,546
and the biggest movie
of all time.
2162
01:33:05,546 --> 01:33:07,648
And it changed
the film industry forever.
2163
01:33:07,648 --> 01:33:11,085
I know.
I think that's my legacy.
2164
01:33:14,055 --> 01:33:15,856
[Thomas] So I guess
the question I wanna know,
2165
01:33:15,856 --> 01:33:18,025
and I guess the question
everybody wants to know, is,
2166
01:33:18,025 --> 01:33:20,227
did you know
this was gonna happen?
2167
01:33:25,366 --> 01:33:28,402
Every great cinematic villain
has that moment
2168
01:33:28,402 --> 01:33:29,971
when they reveal their plan.
2169
01:33:29,971 --> 01:33:33,240
They do it because they know,
no matter what they say,
2170
01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:34,742
you can't stop it.
2171
01:33:34,742 --> 01:33:37,545
But Demy's plan was
to change Hollywood forever.
2172
01:33:37,545 --> 01:33:38,980
And he did that.
2173
01:33:38,980 --> 01:33:42,216
Give someone a mirror
and they will see themselves.
2174
01:33:42,216 --> 01:33:45,219
Give them art
and you will see their soul.
2175
01:33:45,219 --> 01:33:49,590
And now his masterpiece
is complete.
2176
01:33:49,590 --> 01:33:53,260
[Christopher] We burned
through $90 million of film.
2177
01:33:53,527 --> 01:33:54,795
[Mervin] If you ruin
this movie,
2178
01:33:54,795 --> 01:33:55,997
I'll have you killed.
2179
01:33:55,997 --> 01:33:57,565
[John] What does it take
to be an actor?
2180
01:33:57,565 --> 01:33:58,799
[Ava] Do you think
I'm gonna die?
2181
01:33:58,799 --> 01:34:00,401
[Anne] I got
that murder energy.
2182
01:34:00,401 --> 01:34:03,037
Does yelling make a scene good?
2183
01:34:03,037 --> 01:34:04,639
[Audrey] The only way
you're getting out of here
2184
01:34:04,639 --> 01:34:05,840
is in a body bag.
2185
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:07,208
[Man] There are no
second takes in life.
2186
01:34:07,208 --> 01:34:09,644
[Demy] It's unfortunate
the way it is all laid out.
2187
01:34:09,644 --> 01:34:11,545
[indistinct]
2188
01:34:11,545 --> 01:34:12,913
I don't want to die.
2189
01:34:12,913 --> 01:34:15,249
[Lawrence] I miss her more
than any human being
2190
01:34:15,249 --> 01:34:16,450
that's ever lived.
2191
01:34:16,450 --> 01:34:18,119
[Christopher] They hear
that level of passion.
2192
01:34:18,119 --> 01:34:19,854
They hear that level
of commitment.
2193
01:34:19,854 --> 01:34:21,789
And they want to be
involved in it.
2194
01:34:21,789 --> 01:34:23,290
[Demy] Why do you watch this?
2195
01:34:23,290 --> 01:34:25,559
[Dustin] What I'm here for
is for that image.
2196
01:34:25,559 --> 01:34:27,862
[Christopher] Now we're going
to have to improvise.
2197
01:34:27,862 --> 01:34:30,031
[Anne] You find out about
three women
2198
01:34:30,031 --> 01:34:32,266
starring in this
one movie all die.
2199
01:34:32,266 --> 01:34:34,168
[John] You don't get news
like that every day.
2200
01:34:34,168 --> 01:34:35,836
[Christopher] Making a film
requires
2201
01:34:35,836 --> 01:34:37,371
the greatest sacrifice.
2202
01:34:37,371 --> 01:34:40,041
[Dustin] He might be the best
director that we've ever seen.
2203
01:34:40,041 --> 01:34:41,742
[Demy] And it's often
reputation.
2204
01:34:41,742 --> 01:34:43,377
That's the intent
of all my work.
2205
01:34:43,377 --> 01:34:46,714
[Christopher] I can just do
things that I normally...
2206
01:34:46,714 --> 01:34:48,115
Do you know how many actresses
2207
01:34:48,115 --> 01:34:50,017
have died trying
to make this film?
2208
01:34:50,017 --> 01:34:52,119
[Thomas] It's the greatest
story ever told.
2209
01:34:52,119 --> 01:34:54,689
And Hollywood didn't write it.
2210
01:34:54,689 --> 01:35:03,164
[uplifting music]
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