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When I watch cult documentaries, I get
jealous that they're episode two.
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They show people, oh, we were all coming
together. We're all in this commune and
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we're doing yoga together.
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We never had that. We never had the
episode two. It's not like the children
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God cult. This is not wild, wild
country.
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It's this isolating thing where there's
no compound for the cult. There's no
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community to it.
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It's people so spread out. Everything
revolves around Michael.
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And we can't get out.
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You will never be out.
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One of the most heartbreaking tragedies
we have ever heard.
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Neighbors are understandably stunned.
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This bomb's actions are a calculated act
of evil.
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These events are beyond our ability to
understand.
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Number one question.
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Why? Why?
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Why?
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I honestly don't know what precipitated
Andrea's breakdown.
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She never said anything about what she
was struggling with.
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But, of course, having kids is
stressful.
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Living in a small space can be extra
stress.
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But I never really realized that,
coupled with her exposure to the
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could be troubling.
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In 1999, a few months after Luke was
born, Andrea had another incident.
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We were still at Andrea's mother's
house, and Andrea had walked off.
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I'm like, where's Andrea?
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I opened the bathroom door, and there
she is standing looking at herself
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in the mirror.
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With the knife up to her neck.
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We have the sacrifice, but where is the
offering?
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I said, hey, give me the knife.
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Faith takes you to that extent.
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She just stood there, catatonic.
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Faith takes you to that point where you
lift the knife.
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She didn't actually harm herself, but
she was hospitalized
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at that point.
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The doctors told me Andrea had
postpartum depression.
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They explained the seriousness of the
illness, that women who have postpartum
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depression can develop postpartum
psychosis.
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But I didn't know what psychosis looked
like, what it meant.
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It would have helped a lot to know that,
hey, just if you see a person, a loved
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one, during that postpartum period, they
may not be thinking.
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The way they always think, and in fact,
if they are believing things to be true
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that aren't, it may be very dangerous.
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The doctors gave her some combination of
medicines that brought her from off
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-road back to her normal way of
thinking.
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And they said, well, you know, I
wouldn't recommend having more children.
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One of your own seeds shall be your
inheritance.
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You must give birth to life.
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We asked, hey, what's the risk?
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They're like, well, there's 50 -50
chance that if she has another child,
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relapse and she'll exhibit the same
symptoms and require the same treatment.
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It'd be fair to say, okay, well, there
was a risk to her.
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She did get sick again.
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She could try to harm herself again.
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But I didn't even think that at the
time.
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I just thought, okay, she'll get sick.
Worst case, it'll be like a flu. She'll
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get treated with the same medicines that
were for her before, and we'll be done.
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That's simple enough, right?
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Throughout my childhood, Michael had
strongly encouraged us to live in a bus
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like his family.
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But this boy, my...
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We're barely paying the bills at a
campground, which is $40 a week. That's
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almost no money. So my mom gets a job as
an activities director.
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And that's the first time we were
actually around human beings that were
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Michael's kids.
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My oldest sister is about 12 years old.
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Then she meets this girl, Megan.
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Heard Megan hit it off like two 12 -year
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We're back in the bus, and you know
what?
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Megan, I really like Megan. That was
really fun.
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And the pH level in the room changes.
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My mom overhears this, saying that she
liked another girl.
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Having a friend outside, meaning you're
letting Satan inside your heart. You
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have a connection with a girl that's not
in Michael's teachings, that's not the
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chosen one.
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So then she was in probably the most
amount of trouble I've ever seen.
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And the word trouble is pain. She was
beaten for an entire day.
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That is something that Michael would...
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Approve of. Not only approve of, he
would encourage.
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Stank him hard, so it hurts.
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The Bible says, runes scour away evil.
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All because she said that she liked
another girl.
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She liked a friend.
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You know, I don't think there's much
more of a more beautiful thing in
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that God has given as a beautiful
reflection of what it means to be born
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than the butterfly and the cocoon.
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So in this pamphlet, Bringing the Inside
Out, Michael talked about
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the butterfly and the cocoon.
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God put the metamorphosis of a worm and
a butterfly into creation as a most
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glorious witness to the work of
transformation.
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What that means in Michael's terms is
that you need to become a butterfly.
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Butterfly is you being saved.
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These worms are crawling on each other,
trying to get to the top. And finally,
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this worm just splits on his own.
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And you know what? He starts to spin a
cocoon.
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And to really get to know God, who's
going to make you a butterfly, you have
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go into a cocoon.
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So you enter this phase of isolation.
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A lot of time in that cocoon.
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Scary experience of changing.
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A lot of struggle. A lot of suffering.
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He has purposely designed this system
where you are cut off from the rest of
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world. All of your personal
relationships.
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Everything that human beings...
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were meant to do here.
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Connection, love, death, all of that is
now revolving around Michael
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himself. It's going to be a life of
solitude, rejection, persecution,
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isolation, loneliness, and struggle.
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No one ever became a butterfly.
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When I graduated college, I was offered
a job at General Mills, and I was
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excited, you know, because General Mills
was a Fortune 500 company.
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That was my first sale with General
Mills, and they got monster after that,
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know. I was good at what I did. You
know, I have a gregarious personality.
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People do like me, and so I did really
well.
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On one hand, I had a company car and a
salary and a bonus.
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But on the other side, I'm feeling
guilty, you know, because I've absorbed
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enough of Michael's teachings that I
know a job is wrong. I know a job is
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cooperating with saints.
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But I have to work.
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I have to earn an income.
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When all your life is consumed with
working, there's more to life than the
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network.
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I'm not there. I'm not getting Mike's
approval. I'm conflicted. And so for the
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next two years, I embrace getting the
tape.
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I was in that learning phase, you know,
and I was developing spiritually,
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understanding more of his teaching,
understanding more of the path I need to
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by.
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I wanted to learn more.
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And then I received a handwritten note
from his wife, Rachel.
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What I found peculiar, though, was the
closing in her note. She ended with, in
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Jesus, Michael's servant, Rachel.
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I did not understand why she's labeling
herself that way, a servant.
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But after reading the track, The Witch
and the Wimp, I understood.
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In The Witch and the Wimp, Michael says
that all women, as a result of Eve's
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disobedience to God, inherit a
witchcraft nature.
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All you got to do is look at your mom,
look at your sister, look at your
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neighbor, look around, the women.
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This witchcraft nature seeks to control
and dominate men.
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And if you are going to be a real man of
God, you're not going to tolerate.
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being ruled by a contentious woman, a
witch.
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You don't need a cauldron. You don't
need a broomstick. You know, all you
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is that little contentious heart.
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In that track, Mike revealed the true
nature of women.
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That explains the way Rachel closed her
letter.
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She's Michael's servant, not his wife.
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After that, I began to see men oppressed
by their contentious wives.
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Every time I turned on the television, I
would see shows like Married with
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Children or Roseanne, the controlling
woman and the passive man who let the
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woman call the shots. I was seeing
witches and wimps everywhere.
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I really believed I was seeing that.
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It was a very powerful paradigm shift on
how you view the relationship of a man
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and woman.
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I have this thing, pin that I wear that
says, I love to submit to my husband.
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Yeah, Elizabeth was talking about that
on the table. Those guys from Texas A &M
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saw my wife has a button. I love to
submit to my husband. And then it has
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the verses, you know, throughout. It's
like she's got a weird thing on, a
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stinky, smelly.
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I love to wear that button because that
is my
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place of security.
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When I try to get out of that place or I
walk or the contention of my nature,
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the iniquity rises up.
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It's like I'm out of nowhere. You can't
be there and have that relationship.
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It's not like we're trying to depict a
walk in the garden kind of relationship.
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It's a constant.
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Because of that, I have to constantly
confront my wife with her nature.
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Constantly. Because it's wicked. It's so
deep.
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Wow.
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Teaching -wise, it seems consistent with
what they've said in their tracks.
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The submissive role of the wife.
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The man, like, the head of the
mayor's... I don't agree with that now
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all, but at the time, I think I would
have agreed with it.
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I know we had that kind of in our
family. You know, we had a more
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family, and Andrea looked to me to make
significant decisions, and I mistakenly
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would assume that if it's bad for her,
she'll speak up, but looking back, I
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don't think that's true.
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After the knife incident, Andrea was
released from the hospital, and I
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let's try to get a more comfortable home
environment. So we found a house close
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to my job at NASA.
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Not real big, but just right for us,
especially coming out of an RV.
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For some number of months after that,
she started doing a lot better.
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Andrea went from being catatonic to up
and about, communicative.
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Really gave me a lot of hope because I
thought, oh, this can work out.
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Stimulants can drive millions of people
into mental wards, into drugs, into all
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kinds of false hype and stimulus.
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And then by the end of 99, Andrea didn't
want to take any more meds. She's like,
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I don't want to take any more of
anything. So she stopped.
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At the time, going in even to our
marriage, we said, well, we're going to
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however many children that come along,
right? And right or wrong, that's what
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decided. There's the baby. There's the
baby in there.
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It was within a year.
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The new mother.
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Hello.
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We got pregnant with Mary.
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The risk of having another child was the
flu.
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that, you know, that was a risk worth
taking.
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When I got a promotion to have
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New Mexico as my wholesale territory, I
moved to Albuquerque.
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That's where I met a really kind and
caring girl.
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That was our first date.
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I'm not a bad date, you know. I'm full
of devil, but I do a good first date.
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She was working on a master's degree at
the University of New Mexico, and we
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quickly became close friends.
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About a year later, we became engaged.
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I slowly introduced her to Mike by
having her listen to some of the tapes.
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If you're a woman of God, you will, out
of compassion and love for your husband,
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learn to submit.
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Her present issue was that, David, this
guy sounds kind of weird.
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Your mind is occupied with your
wickedness.
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The truth is you don't know how bad you
are.
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I think she even used the word creepy.
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Then one day Mike called me on the
phone, and he said we were going to
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and it's very costly to go there, and so
this is how you can wire money to help
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them with their trip.
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And so I did.
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In about a 10 -year time period, I
probably gave Mike and his family a
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under $20 ,000.
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During our phone conversation, he asked
what the latest would be, and I just
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told him that I was engaged.
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And he said, David, you know that's not
a wise idea.
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And I said, yeah, you know, I'm sorry.
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In the heart of every single woman is
the powerful thwart of Satan to demean,
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oppress, to attack the men of God, to
nullify God's word.
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Mike teaches that until a man has direct
revelation for God, it's not good that
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he become married because the
contentious woman will be a distraction.
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All I can do is warn you.
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The next day or two days after, I called
Diane and I downplayed it. I told her
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that in my spiritual development, it's
just not a good time for me to be
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thinking of marriage or even to be
engaged.
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I'm sorry, but we're just going to have
to call this off.
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After I called off the engagement, I was
too numb to feel a thing.
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But afterwards, I cried.
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She was a wonderful girl, and she loved
me.
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She really did.
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My dad, Mark, when he was out street
preaching, he would get in trouble with
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Michael because he wouldn't street
preach loud enough.
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Michael said that he was beyond saving.
He was a wimp of a man.
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It made for a contentious situation
because my dad is naturally submissive
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not the alpha in a group.
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Michael completely shifted the power
dynamics in my family.
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And my mom and dad stopped talking at
this point.
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It was very hostile.
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So, in 1998, they eventually divorced.
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I got too close to the water.
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My mom got custody of the five kids,
provided that my dad gets custody of the
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bus.
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He takes the bus, and in the bus... It's
all Michael's tapes.
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And my mom believed that they were the
secret to salvation, the shortcut to
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heaven.
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So my mom matches a plan where there's
one bus window that doesn't close all
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way. It never closed.
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So my mom has me slip into the bus while
my dad is out.
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And I steal all of Michael's tapes back
so that we can have those to listen to.
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I didn't stay in constant communication
with Warnecki.
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Living was more about just managing,
taking care of the kids, getting
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done.
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But I didn't discourage Andrea from
writing if she wanted to write.
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That's her business, you know, her
choice.
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Dear Andrea, praise Jesus.
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I hope your pregnancy and birth goes
good.
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We have a new addition to our family.
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This is our little girl that was born
today.
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Mary was born in November 2000.
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What do you think about having a sister
this time instead of a little brother?
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I still believe it.
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But most importantly, that you would
come to know Jesus and be able to give
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to your children.
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Mary was a beautiful little girl.
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I held her up, and she leaned forward
like she wanted to kiss me. That was the
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sweetest thing.
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I pray for you, Andrea, for you, Rusty,
and your family.
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At first, Andrea seemed perfectly fine.
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I know things are not the way you would
like them to be.
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But then a few months after, Andrea just
plummeted very quickly down to the
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state where she was in 99, which, of
course, raised the flag.
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I've seen many women just continually
put off their salvation in Jesus.
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Her symptoms recurred very quickly.
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Jesus knows how wicked you are, how weak
and vulnerable.
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She went from being kind of what seemed
like normal to in a worse state.
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I know you're frustrated, Andrea.
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She was just staring blankly ahead, had
a scissor leg.
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picking at her hair, not saying
anything.
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You are accountable for these children.
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You can change them.
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There will be a day when it is too late.
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So I called around to try to see a
psychiatrist.
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Oh, yeah, we got an opening, six weeks.
I'm like, we don't have six weeks, you
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know.
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I didn't know what to do. I'm like, who
do you call?
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Don't look to Russell.
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Look to Jesus.
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I was at my wit's end at that time.
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If you allow Satan to come in and still
be understanding, the consequences will
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be tragic.
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Everything was out of control.
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Love and Jesus. Rachel.
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The time I got this booklet, I figured
this could really well be my last chance
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at salvation.
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You have got to go through that cocoon,
that struggle, all on your own.
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There are only eight butterflies on the
face of the whole earth.
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They all have the last name Warnecke,
but I was really feeling that I could be
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the ninth one and join them in this
spirit world of complete joy in Jesus
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Christ.
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Sacrifice is the essence, the center of
salvation.
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So you have to sacrifice.
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And what do you have to sacrifice?
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You have to sacrifice yourself.
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At this point, I believe I was my most
devoted and faithful follower, except
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thing.
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My job was holding me back.
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Please get off your lazy butt, turn away
from yourselves, and watch God
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supernaturally provide.
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The test of my faith would be to quit my
job.
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Don't worry about how am I going to pay
my bills. I will now be 100 % dependent
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and faithful that God will provide
somehow.
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Everything is work. You're under a
curse, friend.
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And so that's when I quit my job.
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To deny yourself is the key to victory
because you are your greatest enemy.
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I would go to the mountain with my Bible
and all of Mike's material.
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Free from distraction where I could
solely concentrate on finding God and
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receiving revelation.
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I would just pray and ask God, you know,
please give me light. God, you know I
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want you.
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Every night, I'd be begging, pleading,
please open my eyes.
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But there was no divine encounter.
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And so with the little strength I had,
but the last vestiges of hope, I just
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kept crying.
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And I was listening to one of his tapes.
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Well, as you live, so shall you die.
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You don't want to think about what might
really be wrong.
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At that point, I started shutting down.
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You can't do what God requires.
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Depression, despair, defeat.
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Just so overwhelming.
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It was hard to function.
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You feel horrible. All your tears are
just crocodile tears.
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When you're convinced that everyone
lives in satanic delusion, there's no
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turn to for help.
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You are a lame man.
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You've got to see, man. You're as sick.
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You're left with emptiness and
loneliness and nothing.
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You want to get what you deserve?
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The next thing I know, you deserve hell.
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I'm sitting there in a chair.
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You know, suicide,
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Is the ultimate self -obsession. With a
loaded shotgun in my mouth.
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You're so grieved that you can't make
yourself happy.
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And hey, I'm going to blow my brains
out.
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Can't make myself happy.
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I have Mike mocking me, telling me that
I'm worthless, that I'm nowhere, that
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I'm just projecting false humility.
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Oh, I feel so sorry for you. I just
can't follow what he said. It's Michael
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Warnacki's fault.
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But I was young, so I could take the
pain and battle it out.
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So I stopped myself.
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If I was 50 years old and had clinical
depression, it'd be really hard.
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So maybe it was good that I met Mike
when I was young.
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If I was older, I probably would have
really killed myself and died.
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Well, I'm sorry, guys.
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That's not a warrior.
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That's not a person in God. That's a
piece of lard.
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That's an unregenerate pagan who doesn't
want God.
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So I don't know what a doctor would call
that, the combination.
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Real connective depression and then
spiritual depression. You got it
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So, yeah, it was pretty dark.
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Oh, there was someone who had that. Her
name was Andrea Yates. That's right.
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You must get right with God before it's
too late. The window of opportunity is
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closing.
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After Andrea's symptoms started getting
worse, I finally got a hold of a mental
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health hospital in the area.
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You only have a limited time to affect
those little lives.
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Andrea's brother and I carried her to
the car and took her to the hospital.
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Teach and discipline the boys.
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And she was readmitted.
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I called Noah to let her talk with Noah
a little bit.
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Parents today do not know how to teach
their children, and thus they raise
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rebels without discipline.
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The only thing Andrea said was, I'm
sorry I've been such a bad mom.
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First, it's not true. She was an awesome
mother.
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Second, it's very out of character for
her to say anything like that.
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After my suicide attempt, I didn't break
with Michael at all.
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I believe that I've been given a second
chance to live and to find God.
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Then one day I received a package that
contained a videotape.
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I was afraid to watch it.
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And it sat on my kitchen table for
several days before I could even muster
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courage to put it into the VCR.
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My heart was just beating with anxiety.
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When I finally hit play.
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You're wrong.
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And you must stop and change what you're
doing. No reason for you
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to have some awkward, uncomfortable
feelings of
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change.
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No, no.
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I hear Mike imitating Satan in that
creepy voice and that grotesque mask.
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I've already been eight years under his
teaching.
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I felt like I was in a psychological
maze.
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That's all that matters is what you feel
in your own heart about yourself and
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about God.
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After the viewing of the tape, I started
imagining the devil speaking to me all
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the time.
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And then soon another package arrived.
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Mike sent a message saying that he could
meet with me.
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I thought because I wasn't progressing,
he was coming to my aid, you know, much
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like a spiritual doctor.
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And I envisioned spending hours with him
in a park or someplace quiet.
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But what I found peculiar was the place
he chose to meet, a McDonald's
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restaurant. I didn't tell anyone except
Richard.
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Me and Richard were childhood friends.
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We were in the same fraternity.
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And so he got exposed to Mike about the
same time that I did.
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So me and Richard meet with Michael, and
it changed everything.
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This is the first time I'm meeting
Michael in person since 1987.
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He appeared shifty -eyed, worried, even
a little nervous.
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And I experienced this immediate wave of
conflicted emotion and just figured
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that the weight of the spirit must be
heavy upon him.
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Then I remember Mike telling me, do you
remember the opening scene in The Winds
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of Revolve?
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When the farmhouse gets lifted into the
powerful winds of a growing tornado,
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spinning and spinning, winds of
delusion.
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That's you, David. You don't even
realize you're caught up in those winds
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delusion. In fact, you're more deluded
now than ever.
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I mean, my lips started quivering and my
spirit just shattered.
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Richard was even worse than him.
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He was told there's no hope for him at
all.
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And then just like that, he walked away.
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Me and Richard were stunned.
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And then super late that night, I hear a
rapid bang.
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So I rushed to open up the front door.
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It was Richard.
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Terrified, shaking.
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Just freaked out. David, I'm going to
hell. You know, what's the point of
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living? I might as well just end it now.
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He was just convinced under Mike's
teaching and Mike's words that he was
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to hell. Let me just go.
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Let me get my punishment.
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He totally saw no reason to live
anymore.
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That's in a lot of scary horror movies.
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Nothing can compare to the look and
fright I saw in Richard's face that
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It's the most scariest thing you will
ever encounter.
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No producer, no movie director can get
that on film. You can't act that. It's a
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real experience.
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It's a spiritual, frightening experience
that comes from the very soul.
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He scared me.
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And I was emotionally exhausted because
it took everything I had to convince him
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to not do it now.
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And he's my friend. I loved him. He was
my childhood friend.
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And I know he's going to do it because I
know how he feels.
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I know. I know what he's under.
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You know, don't do it.
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It drained me because I knew he was
going to do it.
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Knew he was going to do it.
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And he's my best friend.
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That really, you know.
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We talked for hours, and eventually
Richard decided to not take his life.
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After my parents' divorce, my mom moved
us away to California.
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But my mom doesn't really want to reach
out to Michael because she's pretty
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ashamed and has a lot of guilt for
leaving my dad.
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About two years later, Michael comes
back into our life, and God has told us
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that you're just off track.
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You're not spiritually in line with
where you need to be.
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So you're going to come out with us, and
you're going to answer his prayer.
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Praise Jesus.
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Amen.
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Glory to the Lord. It's going to hell.
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It's going to the lake of fire.
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And unless you wake up.
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So we go out with Michael and all eight
kids.
468
00:32:57,870 --> 00:32:59,150
They're headed for hell.
469
00:32:59,730 --> 00:33:02,370
God's going to burn this world. They're
living in sin.
470
00:33:05,790 --> 00:33:09,370
I guess I was old enough to be
embarrassed for the first time.
471
00:33:10,010 --> 00:33:11,990
I saw people's reaction to it.
472
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:26,520
And then Michael completely drafted my
mom down in front of us. She's a wicked
473
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,020
woman. She's contentious.
474
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,560
She's living a life of sin.
475
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,980
You're so evil. You're sending your kids
to hell.
476
00:33:37,540 --> 00:33:41,960
Michael had written my mom off because
she left my dad.
477
00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:45,340
But my mom was... so we've got to get
back into good graces.
478
00:33:45,580 --> 00:33:51,240
Her entire life was wrapped up in, does
Michael love me? Does Michael think I'm
479
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,240
saved?
480
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,800
So we had to Michael's tapes that we
hooked on the bus.
481
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,920
I noticed a frequency in Michael's tapes
being played.
482
00:34:01,220 --> 00:34:04,640
The entire word of God speaks about the
last days.
483
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:11,380
These words are so ingrained in my head.
Not days of revival, but days of
484
00:34:11,380 --> 00:34:12,380
intense.
485
00:34:13,659 --> 00:34:15,840
powerful deception and delusion.
486
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,380
Overall, my mom's anxiety about going to
hell and sending her kids to hell
487
00:34:24,380 --> 00:34:26,480
outweighed any sort of logic.
488
00:34:26,900 --> 00:34:31,360
That's the point with Michael's
teachings. It's such an extreme dogmatic
489
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,980
stake. It's your soul for eternity.
490
00:34:34,340 --> 00:34:40,719
I think ultimately, and I think she
regrets this now, that got in the way of
491
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:46,889
of the most The injury
492
00:34:46,889 --> 00:34:52,630
was the sickest patient in that
building.
493
00:34:52,889 --> 00:34:57,350
I mean, you could just tell. She was
like not hardly moving, not responsive,
494
00:34:57,350 --> 00:35:02,190
communicative. And then within a week or
two, they said, oh, she might do better
495
00:35:02,190 --> 00:35:06,210
at home. Let's try that, which is kind
of probably code for your insurance
496
00:35:06,210 --> 00:35:07,590
now. It's time to go home.
497
00:35:08,490 --> 00:35:10,970
When she came home, she was completely
out of it.
498
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,520
I didn't know it at the time, but Andrea
was having visual hallucinations,
499
00:35:17,540 --> 00:35:19,820
auditory hallucinations.
500
00:35:20,060 --> 00:35:23,100
You must stop and change what you're
doing.
501
00:35:23,820 --> 00:35:27,800
And it led to the delusions she had of
having the devil in her.
502
00:35:28,220 --> 00:35:29,940
Uncomfortable feelings of change.
503
00:35:30,420 --> 00:35:31,420
No.
504
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:32,840
No.
505
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,500
But at the time, Andrea didn't tell me
what was going on in her head.
506
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,360
And none of us, nobody thought the kids
were at any risk at all.
507
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:48,080
Nowhere on anyone's radar was any
possibility of harm to our children.
508
00:35:51,460 --> 00:35:53,600
Andrea Yates called 911.
509
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,520
Once authorities arrived at her home,
they found five young children dead.
510
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:04,500
Andrea Yates confessing to police she
drowned her children one by one in the
511
00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:05,500
bathtub.
512
00:36:06,730 --> 00:36:08,910
You see a lot of homicides, but you
don't see a scene like that.
513
00:36:09,130 --> 00:36:14,230
Sergeant Randall Beatty never cried in
16 years in the force until he saw the
514
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:15,710
horrors inside the house.
515
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:21,890
Tragedy is an understatement. I don't
believe there are words in any language
516
00:36:21,890 --> 00:36:23,870
that can describe what has happened.
517
00:36:34,750 --> 00:36:38,820
After the tragedy, I had a very strange
experience.
518
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:44,640
I had nightmares that some of my
children had passed,
519
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:49,400
only to wake up and realize they all had
passed.
520
00:36:50,260 --> 00:36:55,780
And I'm like, wow, how can reality be
worse than your nightmare?
521
00:36:56,140 --> 00:36:57,420
But it was.
522
00:36:58,100 --> 00:37:03,620
I had that happen probably, I don't
know, three or four times where I had a
523
00:37:03,620 --> 00:37:04,620
dream like that.
524
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,060
And that's tough.
525
00:37:27,140 --> 00:37:29,520
Today, the Yates children were laid to
rest.
526
00:37:30,940 --> 00:37:33,360
The eulogy was delivered by Rusty Yates.
527
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:38,790
who shared loving memories of each
child, Noah, John, Paul, Luke, and Mary.
528
00:37:40,930 --> 00:37:45,130
Rusty Yates wanted everyone to know a
treasured moment he shared with each of
529
00:37:45,130 --> 00:37:45,888
his angels.
530
00:37:45,890 --> 00:37:50,450
This photo with Noah, the oldest,
holding a caterpillar, tells a story of
531
00:37:50,450 --> 00:37:55,070
family vacation to Florida. He said Noah
squealed when his caterpillar turned
532
00:37:55,070 --> 00:37:56,070
into a butterfly.
533
00:37:56,210 --> 00:37:57,230
Here's our butterfly.
534
00:37:58,010 --> 00:37:59,010
Aww.
535
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,540
He wants to go.
536
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,220
The family pulled off the highway.
537
00:38:03,460 --> 00:38:04,460
He set it free.
538
00:38:08,020 --> 00:38:11,640
This is how I feel now. I'm setting each
child free.
539
00:38:13,100 --> 00:38:17,140
That's the thing that was most shocking
to me about it all was just the finality
540
00:38:17,140 --> 00:38:18,019
of it.
541
00:38:18,020 --> 00:38:22,980
You know, you do anything to fight for
your children, for your family, but it's
542
00:38:22,980 --> 00:38:23,980
too late.
543
00:38:29,890 --> 00:38:36,010
What happened was just, you know,
incomprehensible. I mean, I just
544
00:38:36,010 --> 00:38:39,310
know, looking back, you know, I
struggled with it all last night. I
545
00:38:39,310 --> 00:38:42,890
sleep last night. I was like, you know,
is there anything I could have done, you
546
00:38:42,890 --> 00:38:44,130
know? That was a lot at once.
547
00:38:44,490 --> 00:38:47,850
It's like being thrown into a game
you've never played, you know, and
548
00:38:47,850 --> 00:38:52,110
like, you don't know what to do, you
know, what do you do? So at the same
549
00:38:52,110 --> 00:38:56,650
I felt compelled that, okay, I need to
do what I can to...
550
00:38:57,150 --> 00:39:02,450
you know defend andrea and my family i'm
torn one one side of me you know blames
551
00:39:02,450 --> 00:39:06,550
her because she you know she did it you
know but the other side of me says well
552
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:10,330
she didn't because that wasn't her she
she went through a postpartum depression
553
00:39:10,330 --> 00:39:15,590
with our fourth child and it was very
serious uh then and she had attempted
554
00:39:15,590 --> 00:39:22,230
suicide then and um i'm supportive of
her you know it's hard you know the the
555
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:26,360
woman here is not the woman that killed
my children so You know, if you see
556
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:27,360
this, I love you.
557
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,860
Right after I defended Andrew, a lot of
people were just like, well, if it's not
558
00:39:31,860 --> 00:39:35,000
her because she's mentally ill, it must
be that rotten husband of hers.
559
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:41,960
People can't understand how a man, how a
father could support his wife after she
560
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,700
took the lives of their children.
561
00:39:50,180 --> 00:39:53,360
I took a lot of heat for Andrew, but
people can think what they want.
562
00:39:53,980 --> 00:39:56,760
They didn't live our life. They didn't
sit in the doctor's office.
563
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,860
Then a lot of people were saying, she's
the devil.
564
00:40:00,140 --> 00:40:02,400
This is an absolutely evil woman.
565
00:40:02,700 --> 00:40:07,740
Miss Yates fully and intentionally
drowned them one by one. This woman is a
566
00:40:07,740 --> 00:40:11,520
beast who committed one of the most
horrible crimes I ever heard of. Hard to
567
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,280
believe that a mother could do something
like that.
568
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,920
There's this tremendous outcry to give
her the death penalty.
569
00:40:20,620 --> 00:40:24,500
The state are pursuing the death penalty
in the Andrea Yates case.
570
00:40:24,820 --> 00:40:29,480
The county that sends more people to
death row than any place in the U .S.
571
00:40:30,340 --> 00:40:36,580
The entire country, the entire world is
like, this woman is evil, she's insane.
572
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,360
But when I first heard the news, I was
jealous.
573
00:40:43,020 --> 00:40:46,100
Rather than horrified.
574
00:40:50,030 --> 00:40:51,330
I just need a police officer.
575
00:40:51,770 --> 00:40:52,790
Are you there alone?
576
00:40:54,910 --> 00:40:56,150
No, my kids are here.
577
00:40:58,310 --> 00:41:02,070
I got why she did it. I got why the kids
obeyed.
578
00:41:02,950 --> 00:41:04,130
I would have gotten the tub.
579
00:41:06,890 --> 00:41:08,370
So I understood it all.
580
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:09,870
How old are your children?
581
00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:16,790
They're seven, five, three, two, and six
months.
582
00:41:17,410 --> 00:41:19,150
So you have five children? Yes.
583
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,000
She did what she was supposed to do.
584
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:33,580
She made the greatest sacrifice.
585
00:41:36,020 --> 00:41:38,040
She was saving her kids.
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