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This film was made
at a specific point in time:
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during the ongoing
"Sarkozy-Gaddafi" trial
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at the special judicial
court in Paris.
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Our role is not to establish
anyone's guilt.
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We are not judges.
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Only a court of law can examine
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incriminating and
exculpatory evidence
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and determine
whether a crime has been committed.
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All individuals
mentioned in this film
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are presumed innocent.
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The ambitious man
has as many masters
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as there are people
useful to his fortune.
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It's October 20, 2011,
on the outskirts of Sirte,
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in Libya.
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These are the final images
of Colonel Gaddafi's life.
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The death of the dictator
who ruled Libya for 40 years
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marked the end of a war
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that plunged the country
into political chaos
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and a cycle of devastating violence
that continues to this day.
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The war was conducted
under UN authority,
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but was promoted by
one country in particular, France,
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and the determination of one man,
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its president at the time,
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Nicolas Sarkozy.
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Even as the bombs were falling,
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two journalists
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launched an extraordinary
investigation.
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It lasted over ten years,
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and gradually revealed
both the extent of relations
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between Muammar Gaddafi
and Nicolas Sarkozy,
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and how different they were
from the official version.
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August 16, 2023 interview in
Le Figaro Magazine:
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"The French people can't even say
what I'm accused of.
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"No one can make sense of it."
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Sarkozy - Gaddafi:
the Scandal of All Scandals
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"Maybe some article gets written,
but that doesn't matter.
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"Why doesn't it matter?
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"Because then there's
another article,
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"and then another one
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"that says the opposite,
and no one can make sense of it."
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A Mysterious Email
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During the first half of 2011,
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an email arrived at Mediapart,
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from an unknown source who wrote:
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"I have something
that might interest you
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"concerning someone
you're writing about."
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We didn't yet know
what that something was.
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The person we were writing about
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was what's known politely
in political and business circles
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as an intermediary.
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If you're being nice,
you might say a wheeler-dealer.
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Less nice, as the law sometimes is:
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an agent of corruption.
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That man was Ziad Takieddine.
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The email got our attention,
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but required
my colleague Karl Laske and I
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to travel to a foreign country
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to see what kind of documents
were being offered.
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And we found ourselves looking at
Ziad Takieddine's digital archives.
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Back in the Mediapart offices,
Fabrice and I
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started examining
the archives we'd obtained.
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It was a hard drive
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with several thousand
documents on it.
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It had his tax forms,
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photographs of his holidays
with politicians,
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and every deal he had handled
in the previous ten years.
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There were details
about Libyan dossiers,
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Syrian dossiers, Saudi dossiers.
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His real estate holdings
were documented,
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since, as an intermediary,
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he had properties just
about everywhere,
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in London, France,
the French Riviera.
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There was even his own appraisal
of his assets:
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97 million euros.
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To understand Ziad Takieddine's role
in the affair,
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you need to go quite
far back in time.
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His name first appeared
in the French news
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in the context of a sensational
political-financial scandal:
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the so-called "Karachi Affair".
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In the mid-1990s,
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Ziad Takieddine, born into
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the upper echelons
of Lebanese society,
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acted as an intermediary
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in a gigantic sale
of French submarines
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to the Pakistani government.
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Ziad Takieddine
received colossal commissions,
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part of which returned to France
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during the presidential campaign
of Edouard Balladur,
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who, in 1995,
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had decided to run against
the designated right-wing candidate,
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Jacques Chirac.
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That same year, a young mayor
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who had just been appointed
budget minister,
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decided to join Balladur's camp
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and became the spokesman
for his campaign.
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A certain Nicolas Sarkozy.
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But the Balladur clan's hopes
were short-lived
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because Jacques Chirac
won the election.
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Ziad Takieddine's name
remained in the background,
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but we know that Chirac interrupted
the commission networks
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because he realized that the money
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had been used for
the Balladur campaign
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and that considerable fraud
had been committed
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around those arms contracts.
So he interrupted them.
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That was a story Mediapart
reported on a lot,
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and about
which we revealed a great deal.
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And we believed...
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how to put this...
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that Ziad Takieddine's
corruption saga,
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as understood by the courts,
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was limited to that time period,
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from 1993 to 1995,
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and to his relations
with countries like
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Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
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On May 8, 2002,
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an attack in Karachi, Pakistan,
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killed 14 employees
of the naval dockyards,
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including 11 French engineers
working on the submarines.
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To this day,
the courts continue to question
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whether the attack
was retaliation for
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the non-payment of
certain commissions.
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Mr. President, I'm with the AFP.
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According to information
reported yesterday,
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following a meeting
between plaintiffs
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in the Karachi bombing case
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and the investigating magistrates,
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there's talk of kickbacks to fund
Edouard Balladur's 1995 campaign.
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As budget minister,
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were you aware of
any such agreements?
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There's no point asking
a question like that from my right.
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Listen, that's ridiculous.
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Frankly, it's ridiculous.
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So Mr. Balladur accepted kickbacks
for his campaign
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that never got paid,
and then a bomb in Karachi?
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Let's respect the
pain of the victims.
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Who could believe such a tall tale?
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If there's a robbery
in Brussels today,
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I was here!
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Undeniable.
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Mr. President?
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Sorry, I'm not laughing,
because Karachi
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is the pain of the families
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and all that stuff.
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But what am I supposed
to say to that?
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From Karachi to Gaddafi
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After Jacques Chirac's victory,
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the whole Balladur clan
was sidelined from political life.
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Their crossing of the desert
lasted seven years.
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It only came to an end
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when Jacques Chirac
was re-elected in May 2002.
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Needing to close ranks on the right,
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Chirac's second term
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saw some Balladur
faithful return to favor.
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Among them was Nicolas Sarkozy,
who joined the government.
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Pardon me.
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Nicolas Sarkozy became
minister of the interior,
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and Ziad Takieddine,
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who had a magnificent
mansion in Paris,
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near the Place du Trocadéro,
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organized a sumptuous party
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to celebrate the return to power
of the Balladur loyalists,
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in particular Nicolas Sarkozy.
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In early 2011,
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when at Mediapart
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we gained access to
Ziad Takieddine's
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digital archives,
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it was like a digital
Ali Baba's cave.
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It helped us understand
that Ziad Takieddine -
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who we thought was a man
of a clan and an era -
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meaning the presumed
agent of corruption
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selling arms for the
Balladur government
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from 1993 to 1995 -
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was in fact a continuity,
a shadow element
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in a chapter in the history
of the French right
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that lasted for decades.
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In 2002, now France's top cop,
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Nicolas Sarkozy
was all over the media.
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Have you had enough
of all these punks?
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And very quickly showed
his true ambition.
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When you're shaving in the morning,
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you can think beyond
the Interior Ministry.
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Maybe about the
presidential election?
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Not only while shaving.
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Nicolas Sarkozy needed
his own network to rise to power,
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and one might reasonably suspect
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that he needed
his own sources of funding.
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And that's how Ziad
Takieddine showed up
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on the radar of the Sarkozy team.
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As we delved deeper
into the documents
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that we came
to call the "Takieddine files",
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we saw a story starting to emerge
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about the political, diplomatic,
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and economic history
between two countries,
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France and Libya,
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then ruled by dictator
Muammar Gaddafi.
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That story did not
seem to correspond
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to the official version,
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the one the public knew,
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of the relationship
between the two countries.
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All the more so when
Nicolas Sarkozy,
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then minister of the interior,
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decided to run for president
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and then became the
French head of state
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in 2007.
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Trips to Libya
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Takieddine called himself
the "door opener",
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so he tried to open doors.
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He'd say:
"I open the doors to a country,
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"which is why I should get paid."
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And so he "opened
the door" to Libya.
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Since Gaddafi came to power in 1969,
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his Libya,
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which claimed to be
socialist and pan-Africanist,
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was more or less
openly at war with the West,
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particularly
the United States and France.
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In 1976, Muammar Gaddafi wrote his
universal revolutionary theory,
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The Green Book, advocating
power for the people
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with Islam was confined
to a purely religious role.
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Former French diplomat in Tripoli
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Author of In the Heart
of Gaddafi's Libya
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Libya was the first Arab country
to nationalize its oil reserves.
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It was one of Gaddafi's
first acts in 1969.
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He kicked out the multinationals.
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So he asserted his sovereignty
first by nationalizing oil and gas
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and then by closing
British and American military bases
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that had been there since 1943.
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That's a partial explanation
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for the persistent confrontation
with the imperialist powers,
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because Gaddafi defined himself
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as an anti-colonialist
and anti-imperialist.
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At least against what he saw
as Western imperialism.
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After the American bombing
of Tripoli in 1986,
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the isolated Libyan state
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pursued a policy
of deadly terrorist attacks
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which led to its banishment
from the international community.
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But in hopes of ending
the embargo against his country,
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at the turn of the millennium,
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the dictator declared
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that he would renounce
both terrorism
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and his nuclear weapons program.
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I would place the end
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of the "state
terrorism" era in 2001.
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September 11, 2001,
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was a real turning
point for Gaddafi.
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He realized that the
world had changed,
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that the American response
would be merciless,
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and that he could
be next on the list
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of terrorist states.
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From 2003, with UN sanctions lifted,
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Libya became the new El Dorado
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for industrialists
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from around the world.
Mainly Westerners, but not only.
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So there was a real craze
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for resuming trade relations
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in every sector,
including security and the military.
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And that's when Ziad Takieddine
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really came into the picture.
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He was the one who
took the first steps
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in the Gaddafi-Sarkozy affair,
if I can call it that.
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He made the first connections
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and explored possibilities -
including, of course
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since that's what
interested him most -
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for secret commissions
and dark money.
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We uncovered trade
and financial documents
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that show a parallel diplomacy.
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Ziad Takieddine was an agent
of secret diplomacy
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to Libya.
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It wasn't philanthropy,
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he had a financial interest.
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So he undertook trade negotiations
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on a whole host of economic grounds,
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from the sale of espionage equipment
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to the sale of crude oil and more
with the Libyan dictatorship.
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In Takieddine's archives,
we discovered
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that his first contact,
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and his main contact in Libya,
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was Abdullah Senussi.
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For 30 years,
Abdullah Senussi was involved
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in the darkest and most dangerous
side of the regime.
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He was the man who organized
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the terrorist attacks
carried out by Libya in the 1980s.
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One of the most deadly attacks
by the Libyan government
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took place on September 19, 1989,
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against a plane operated by
the French airline UTA.
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The flight from Brazzaville to Paris
exploded over the Ténéré desert,
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killing all 170 people on board.
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The investigation revealed
that the attack,
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ordered by Colonel
Gaddafi's government,
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was planned by Abdullah Senussi.
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Abdullah Senussi
was Gaddafi's brother-in-law.
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He belonged to a very large tribe
in the south, the Magarha,
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which was allied
with Gaddafi's tribe
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and is very influential
in southern Libya.
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He's really...
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the classic example
of someone who had both
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family and tribal legitimacy.
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He was the epitome of the henchman.
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He knew everything.
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He handled all the sordid affairs,
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and he was behind the
terrorist attacks.
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He was a pillar of the regime.
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In 1999,
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Abdullah Senussi was sentenced
in France
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to life imprisonment
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for having masterminded the attack
on the UTA airlines DC-10.
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An international arrest warrant
was issued for him.
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It's dizzying that Takieddine
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was in contact with Abdullah Senussi
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because it meant he was in contact
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with the most
dangerous man in Libya,
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a man convicted by France.
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He was absolutely
not to be associated with,
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by any political leader.
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But he would be associated with,
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indirectly at first,
by Claude Guéant
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and by Nicolas Sarkozy's team.
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Claude Guéant, a former prefect
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and previous head of
the French police,
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was chosen by Nicolas Sarkozy
as his chief of staff
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when he became
interior minister in 2002.
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Guéant, a man as
level-headed and discreet
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as Sarkozy is impulsive
and talkative,
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became the conductor
of the Sarkozy machine.
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They would work together
for nearly two decades.
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We each have a specific role,
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but we're used to working together.
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No one takes offense
if one has ideas
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about the other's sphere.
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It was Ziad Takedienne who organized
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a visit by Claude Guéant,
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chief of staff to
Minister of the Interior
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Nicolas Sarkozy,
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in late September 2005.
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It was a preparatory visit
during which Claude Guéant
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worked with the Libyan authorities
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to prepare Nicolas Sarkozy's
visit the following week
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to Tripoli, the Libyan capital,
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to meet the leader, Colonel Gaddafi,
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who'd been dictator of the country
since the late 1960s.
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That preparatory
visit by Claude Guéant
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was very important
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because in his notes,
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Ziad Takieddine wrote that
it had to be secret,
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that neither
the Foreign Affairs Ministry,
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nor Jacques Chirac,
nor Dominique de Villepin
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could know anything about it.
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The note indicates
the safeguards that were taken.
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Guéant was warned
that it was essential
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for the visit to remain secret,
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and the note also states:
"It'll be easier
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to talk about the other subject."
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That other question was very likely
the financing of Sarkozy's campaign.
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Claude Guéant, the chief of staff
of the interior minister,
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and therefore of the French police
and domestic intelligence services,
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met in secret,
in Tripoli in late September 2005,
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the terrorist Abdullah Senussi.
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It was a secret, behind the back
of the French diplomatic corps.
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The French ambassador and diplomats
in Tripoli were unaware of it.
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He met him without a bodyguard,
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though with one other man,
Ziad Takieddine,
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who served as an interpreter between
Abdullah Senussi and Claude Guéant.
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One week after his chief of staff's
preparatory visit,
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Nicolas Sarkozy went to Tripoli.
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It was a whirlwind one-day trip.
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Thank you for hosting
us during Ramadan.
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Officially, the interior minister -
who has no diplomatic mandate -
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had come to discuss issues
related to migratory flows
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and terrorism.
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But officials present
were surprised by
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an unusual and lengthy tĂŞte-Ă -tĂŞte
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between the two men,
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off camera,
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and with only their
interpreter present.
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In fact, it was the beginning
of a Faustian pact
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between Nicolas Sarkozy
and Muammar Gaddafi.
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Gaddafi was aware of
Sarkozy's ambition
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to become president of France
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because Ziad Takieddine
had told him about it,
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as the notes
in the Takieddine files show.
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And he offered to
help Nicolas Sarkozy
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win power in France.
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It was a traditional practice
in the Gaddafi system
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to compensate your guests,
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to compensate armed groups
or leaders you want to support,
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and perhaps candidates for positions
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or elected office in
foreign countries.
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So it was a common practice
in the Gaddafi system.
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Gaddafi saw Nicolas
Sarkozy as a new player.
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I think he rather liked him,
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so he wanted to do the right thing,
to restart the relationship
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with a new president.
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On that day,
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Muammar Gaddafi
asked Nicolas Sarkozy
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for a gesture from France
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to improve Abdullah Senussi's
legal situation.
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Muammar Gaddafi
asked Nicolas Sarkozy
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to find a legal solution,
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maybe even to get the arrest warrant
against Abdullah Senussi lifted.
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Sarkozy knew that
Senussi's situation
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wasn't just a personal issue
for Senussi.
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It was a state issue for Libya.
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Gaddafi's regime was personal,
but he was also a "weak dictator",
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meaning he was
dependent on networks.
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He controlled the tribes,
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but he was also
controlled by the tribes.
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And by his family.
There were tensions within the clan.
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So he was torn
by those different interests.
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And Abdullah Senussi
could talk to everyone in the clan.
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So it was particularly important
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with regard to honor, to image,
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and for internal balance
within the regime,
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that Gaddafi obtain
a kind of amnesty
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for such an eminent
figure in the regime.
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We discovered that,
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only one and a half months
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after Nicolas Sarkozy's
trip to Libya,
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his personal attorney and friend,
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the famous Paris
lawyer Thierry Herzog,
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travelled to Libya.
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In late November 2005,
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he met with Abdullah Senussi's
criminal defense team.
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The discussion was about ways
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the arrest warrant
could be gotten rid of.
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We know this through considerable
material evidence,
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notably a report of
the meeting in Libya
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between Senussi's men
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and Nicolas Sarkozy's lawyer,
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who would also become
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Abdullah Senussi's
lawyer for a time.
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On December 22, 2005, precisely,
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a close friend of Sarkozy,
Brice Hortefeux,
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then French minister
for local authorities,
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went in turn
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to Tripoli, the capital of Libya.
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Known as the most
faithful of the faithful,
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Brice Hortefeux was
Nicolas Sarkozy's
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longest-serving lieutenant.
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His loyalty was rewarded
with an appointment, in June 2005,
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as minister delegate
for local authorities
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under the authority of
Nicolas Sarkozy.
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Like Claude Guéant
three months earlier,
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Brice Hortefeux met secretly
with Abdullah Senussi in Tripoli,
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in exactly the same circumstances:
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without diplomats present,
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without informing the embassy,
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without a bodyguard,
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without a translator,
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but always with the same man,
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the wheeler-dealer intermediary
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and alleged agent of corruption,
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Ziad Takieddine.
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And that day, according
to two of the three people present,
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Ziad Takieddine and
Abdullah Senussi,
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this time the discussion was about
financing from Gaddafi's Libya
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to Sarkozy's team
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for the 2007 presidential election.
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Guéant: "I had no specific knowledge
of Abdullah Senussi's situation
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"and didn't know
I was going to meet him."
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Hortefeux: ‶I didn't know
the details of his conviction
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"and was totally unaware of
the international arrest warrant.″
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Asked about his meeting
with Senussi's representatives,
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Thierry Herzog did not reply,
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claiming ‶attorney-client
privilege″.
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Hortefeux and Guéant
claim ‶traps″ were set for them,
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one each, three months apart.
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Nicolas! Nicolas!
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In early 2007,
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Nicolas Sarkozy,
who had become leader
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of the UMP party two years earlier,
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launched his presidential campaign.
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Breaking with tradition,
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Nicolas Sarkozy was thinking big,
and ran an American-style campaign.
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It was a time of
virtuous declarations.
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A democracy beyond reproach
is a president
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who says beforehand
all he plans to do,
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and, above all, does afterwards
everything he said he'd do before.
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That is democracy beyond reproach.
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I want France to
defend human rights.
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I believe it deep down.
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I don't want and don't believe in
what's known as realpolitik,
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which leads you to
abandon your values
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without winning a single contract.
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I won't to be an accomplice
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to any dictatorship anywhere.
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With such powerful statements,
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on May 6, 2007,
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Nicolas Sarkozy was elected to be
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the sixth president of
the Fifth Republic.
489
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,040
Across the Mediterranean,
the congratulations were warm,
490
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,920
full of hope and promise.
491
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,920
Transcript of a phone call
492
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,720
12 days after Nicolas
Sarkozy was elected
493
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,520
Gaddafi: Hello, Mr. President.
494
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,320
Congratulations again on winning
the confidence of the French people.
495
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:43,640
Sarkozy: Hello, Mr. Guide.
496
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,000
I retain a wonderful memory
of the quality of your analysis.
497
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,800
Gaddafi: We are reassured to have
a friend in Europe now.
498
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,200
Sarkozy: Who should I meet with
to discuss sensitive issues?
499
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,560
Is it Mr. Bashir?
500
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,440
Gaddafi: Yes, Bashir.
501
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,200
You can reach an
agreement directly...
502
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,360
Sarkozy: Right, Mr. Guide.
503
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,200
I'll meet with Mr. Bashir
and find an agreement with him.
504
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,120
Gaddafi: Goodbye, Mr. President.
505
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,480
Sarkozy: Goodbye, Mr. Guide.
I'm counting on your prayers.
506
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:16,240
I don't pray the same way you do,
but we pray to the same god.
507
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,280
A few days later,
508
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,240
Muammar Gaddafi offered
the new French president
509
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,120
the release of five Bulgarian nurses
and a Palestinian doctor
510
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,360
who'd been jailed in Libya
for several years.
511
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,680
Their ordeal had moved
international opinion.
512
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,680
And so an official French plane
513
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,080
landed in Bulgaria on July 24, 2007,
514
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,440
returning the prisoners to freedom.
515
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,640
But surprise,
516
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,120
the event was also a marital one.
517
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,880
Cécilia Sarkozy,
the president's wife,
518
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,480
had been entrusted by
him with working out
519
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,960
the last details of their release.
520
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,200
I wanted to tell
you how happy we are
521
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,240
about the end of this long ordeal
522
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,560
endured by five women.
523
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,520
You'll also understand
524
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,960
that I want to congratulate Cécilia
for her remarkable job.
525
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,040
A short but nonetheless
sincere statement.
526
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,720
Barely 24 hours later,
527
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,320
Nicolas Sarkozy flew to Libya.
528
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,080
The new French president
529
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,960
devoted his first official visit
to the guide of the revolution,
530
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,880
Colonel Gaddafi.
531
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,960
The French president
and the Libyan dictator
532
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,360
were enjoying a public honeymoon.
533
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,920
The high point of their friendship
would come six months later:
534
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,280
Muammar Gaddafi's
official visit to France.
535
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,680
On December 10, 2007,
536
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,560
Muammar Gaddafi's plane
landed at Orly airport.
537
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,760
For the first time in 35 years,
538
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,680
the former godfather of terrorism
539
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,600
received a prestigious welcome
540
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,920
in a major Western capital.
541
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:21,800
Diplomatic practice in France is for
official visits to last three days.
542
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:27,040
Muammar Gaddafi asked to extend his
for three more.
543
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:29,800
And so for six days,
544
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,800
the dictator,
who pitched his Bedouin tent
545
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,640
in the gardens of the Republic,
546
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,800
crisscrossed Paris from
one tourist destination to another.
547
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,200
Gaddafi the tourist
is having a whale of a time.
548
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,760
Bateaux-mouches, Eiffel Tower,
549
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,120
30 minutes at the Louvre,
including three with the Mona Lisa,
550
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,120
an hour at Versailles,
a dream for his Amazonian guard...
551
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,880
He's been to Versailles,
to the Louvre.
552
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,600
His clothes and schedule change,
553
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,600
but one thing is constant:
the traffic jams.
554
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,320
Sister of Jean-Pierre Klein,
victim of the DC-10 attack
555
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,640
Founder of the
Association of Terrorism Victims
556
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,400
For us, and for me particulary,
557
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,200
it was a grotesque period.
558
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:14,200
We had no idea what was going on.
It was insane.
559
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:15,800
The tent,
560
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,720
Paris shut down, Versailles,
561
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:25,040
Gaddafi in the cold weather
with his fur coat and hat.
562
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,280
It was incomprehensible to us.
563
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,840
The pomp and circumstance deployed
564
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,880
for the dictator
shocked public opinion
565
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,880
and scandalized deputies
in the National Assembly,
566
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,320
as well as some members
of the government.
567
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,840
The defuse the controversy,
568
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,760
the indispensable Claude Guéant
was sent to the front.
569
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,280
Has Colonel Gaddafi reformed enough
570
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,400
to justify such a
reception in France,
571
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,200
one that no other
major Western nation
572
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,840
has yet granted him?
573
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,480
He was welcomed as are
574
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,720
all other heads of
state visiting France.
575
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:01,720
But the efforts of
the chief of staff
576
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,600
to the French president
577
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,280
did not quell the controversy
that was growing by the day.
578
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,360
To silence the carping,
579
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,040
Nicolas Sarkozy played his joker.
580
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,560
It's all very well the talk
and posturing about human rights
581
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,520
at the Café de Flore
and the Zenith arena.
582
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,880
Gone was the criticism
of realpolitik
583
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,040
winning out over values.
584
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,240
I'll be signing tens of billions
in contracts
585
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,600
with our Libyan counterparts.
586
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,520
It's about French jobs and growth.
587
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,520
And he staged for the press,
588
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,280
with Muammar Gaddafi's
jovial complicity,
589
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,160
the signing of contracts with Libya
for a stated value of
590
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,240
a total of 10 billion euros.
591
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,760
There was talk of
billions in contracts
592
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,320
that would fill France's coffers
593
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:55,480
and provoke a tidal wave of growth
in the French economy.
594
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,640
Almost no one believed it.
595
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,680
For us, the victims of the DC-10,
596
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,160
the most unbelievable
was the invitation
597
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,520
from Sarkozy,
598
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,960
because he did the inviting.
599
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,640
The pomp,
all the time spent with him,
600
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,280
the impression
that Gaddafi was everywhere,
601
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,880
and that we couldn't
get away from him.
602
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,320
We couldn't make sense of it.
603
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,120
In the end,
604
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,640
Nicolas Sarkozy,
the French president,
605
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,280
accepted us at -
or rather invited us to -
606
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:36,560
the Elysée Palace on
the last day Gaddafi was in Paris,
607
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,880
to meet us and talk to us.
608
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,680
That meeting was quite incredible
609
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,040
when you think back on it,
610
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:51,080
but at the time it
calmed us in a way.
611
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,400
Nicolas Sarkozy took the time
to listen to us.
612
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,880
And I remember him saying,
more than once:
613
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,760
"You're wonderful people."
614
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:01,920
And we took it at face value.
615
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,160
And we needed to.
616
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,200
Nicolas Sarkozy had
just been elected,
617
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,800
a young president,
618
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,000
and he received families
affected by a terrorist attack.
619
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,880
And now we discover
that the same man
620
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,760
had been elected thanks to money
621
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,280
received from the people who killed
622
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,640
our brothers, sisters,
mothers, families.
623
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,600
In hindsight,
if what is coming to light now,
624
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:38,120
what we know from the investigation,
625
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,160
proves to be true,
626
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,640
that moment
when he received the families
627
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:49,480
makes it even worse.
628
00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:00,280
Nicolas Sarkozy gave Muammar Gaddafi
what he wanted most,
629
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,400
and what he was prepared
to pay dearly for:
630
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,640
for Libya to become
a respectable country again,
631
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,600
one that a great
democracy like France,
632
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,160
home of the Declaration
of the Rights of Man,
633
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,320
can talk to.
634
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,680
The man who made that possible
635
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,880
for Muammar Gaddafi
was Nicolas Sarkozy.
636
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,400
As his official visit to France
was drawing to a close,
637
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,680
Colonel Gaddafi could never
638
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,800
have known that,
just four years later,
639
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,320
his relationship
with the French president
640
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,280
would change abruptly.
641
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,200
The Warmonger
642
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,680
During the wave of Arab Spring
popular revolts
643
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,600
that began in Tunisia,
644
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,040
riots broke out in Benghazi,
in eastern Libya,
645
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,960
in February 2011.
646
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,320
It was the beginning of a civil war.
647
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,160
To the surprise of all,
648
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,800
Nicolas Sarkozy
649
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,280
was the first head
of state to receive
650
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,040
and recognize
the opponents of Colonel Gaddafi
651
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,680
as the only legitimate
power in Libya.
652
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,440
And just four years after hosting
Muammar Gaddafi with great fanfare,
653
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,040
the French president began
a diplomatic offensive
654
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,880
to obtain
UN Security Council authorization
655
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,880
for a military
intervention in Libya.
656
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,600
We have a job to do within
a very specific legal framework,
657
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,560
that of the United Nations:
658
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:31,920
avoid deaths.
659
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,600
That was the context
660
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:40,520
in which Muammar Gaddafi
made the rather strange statement
661
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:46,600
that if Nicolas Sarkozy
bombed his country,
662
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,080
he could reveal "an
important secret".
663
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,240
That secret was revealed
a few days later
664
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:57,080
by one of the dictator's sons,
665
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:58,680
Saif al-Islam.
666
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:04,120
When asked about France's eagerness
to intervene in Libya militarily,
667
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,120
to content
of his statement was explosive.
668
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,840
First of all,
Sarkozy should return the money
669
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,680
he accepted from Libya
to fund his campaign.
670
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,360
We financed his campaign,
and we have the proof.
671
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,040
We can reveal everything.
672
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,200
We demand that the clown
673
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,280
return that money to
the Libyan people.
674
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,280
It provoked
very little political comment.
675
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:35,200
People imagined it was one of
the dictator's final boasts.
676
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,640
Since it was made at
the start of a war
677
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,920
and by a regime dignitary,
678
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,880
we interpreted it with caution.
679
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,080
Nevertheless, we're journalists.
680
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,400
At Mediapart,
we had the digital archives
681
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,600
of Ziad Takieddine
682
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,440
that provided us with
specific elements
683
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,560
with which to understand
the reality of Franco-Libyan history
684
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,600
from the early 2000s,
685
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,880
a reality that did not correspond
to the official narrative
686
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,400
provided by France
under Nicolas Sarkozy.
687
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,440
The documents showed
688
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,320
that the narrative
wasn't quite accurate,
689
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,480
and many factual elements
690
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:23,040
in Takieddine's archives
corroborated the idea
691
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,600
of the possible
corruption of the future
692
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,080
French president by the dictator.
693
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:34,640
A patient effort of verification
694
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,400
enabled us,
by the summer of 2011,
695
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,960
to publish a first round of articles
696
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,840
revealing a relationship -
initially incomprehensible -
697
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,960
between Nicolas Sarkozy
and Muammar Gaddafi.
698
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,200
The Dirty Truth of Sarkozy-ism
699
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,320
"Takieddine Affair:
Arms Merchant's Assets Frozen"
700
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,000
"Takieddine Documents:
701
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,560
Sarkozy Emissary
Secretly Paid by Total"
702
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,840
On March 18, 2011,
703
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,680
a UN resolution established
a no-fly zone, prohibiting Gaddafi
704
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,640
the use of his air force.
705
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,160
It was immediately interpreted
by France and its supporters
706
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,440
as an authorization to bomb
the Libyan armed forces.
707
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,200
Thus began a war that
even the Americans
708
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,840
called "Nicolas Sarkozy's war".
709
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,840
There are questions
about the war in Libya
710
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,080
that are still unanswered today.
711
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,960
Among those unanswered questions
712
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:43,600
is the choice by France to undertake
certain bombing raids.
713
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,600
For example, in August 2011,
714
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,280
French planes bombed
Abdullah Senussi's private home
715
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,800
in a residential area of Tripoli,
716
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,600
killing at least one civilian.
717
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,040
Was Abdullah Senussi's home in
718
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,960
a residential area,
next to a school -
719
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,600
and where he was not even present -
a military objective?
720
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,200
"To suggest that France unilaterally
launched raids against a convoy,
721
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:15,640
"home, or any target
722
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,440
"is an absurdity
723
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,120
that does not stand
up to any analysis.
724
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:24,440
"The multinational staff of NATO
makes those decisions."
725
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:28,840
Although the war
726
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,160
was only supposed
to last a few days,
727
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,400
it took six months for Tripoli
to fall into rebel hands.
728
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,840
Gaddafi, on the run,
was nowhere to be found.
729
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,360
But two months later, his convoy,
identified by the Americans,
730
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,840
was bombed by French planes.
731
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,280
The dictator was captured
732
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,280
and assassinated
on October 20th near Sirte.
733
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,000
Do you have any reaction
to the death of Mr. Gaddafi?
734
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:11,800
The objective
735
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,640
is for Libya to regain its freedom
736
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,800
and hope for democracy.
737
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,920
Under the Rubble
738
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,320
The war left the country devastated,
739
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,680
divided among political factions
and Islamists,
740
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,880
and in a state of political chaos
that continues to this day.
741
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,120
And Muammar Gaddafi's
"important secret"
742
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,800
could have disappeared forever
under the rubble.
743
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,640
So the war ended,
744
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,880
notably with the death of Gaddafi.
745
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:02,840
His followers
were either dead or on the run.
746
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,280
We took several trips
747
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,080
to Cairo, to Tunisia.
748
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:17,120
We were looking to meet members
of the former regime,
749
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,760
hoping to interiew them,
750
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,560
to see documents, and so on.
751
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,400
During our investigation,
752
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,960
we came across a document in 2012
753
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:39,120
that had escaped the bombing
during the war in Libya.
754
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,080
The document was signed
755
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:46,040
by a very important man
in the Libyan hierarchy,
756
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:47,720
a man named Moussa Koussa.
757
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,160
He had led the Libyan
foreign intelligence service.
758
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:57,040
The document laid out
how the authorities had agreed
759
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,280
to finance Nicolas
Sarkozy's campaign
760
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,400
to the tune of 50 million euros,
761
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,200
and that he, Koussa,
762
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,480
approved that decision
by the General People's Committee.
763
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,760
In short, it shows the intent
764
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,720
to finance Nicolas
Sarkozy's campaign.
765
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:20,760
The memo refers to a meeting
attended on the Libyan side
766
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,080
by Abdullah Senussi
and Bashir Saleh,
767
00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:25,880
Muammar Gaddafi's chief of staff,
768
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,040
and on the French side by
Brice Hortefeux and Ziad Takieddine.
769
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,560
It reports that an
agreement was reached
770
00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:37,200
on an amount the Libyan regime
was prepared to contribute
771
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,680
to Nicolas Sarkozy's campaign.
772
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,480
When you're holding such a document,
773
00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:47,160
it obviously burns your fingers.
774
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,520
But it's not because
it burned our fingers
775
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,720
and supported clues
we'd already gathered
776
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,200
that it was true.
777
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,400
So we had to verify the document.
778
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,840
We returned to Paris,
had it translated
779
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,200
a first time, then a second time.
We showed it to experts,
780
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:10,120
to authenticate the date,
the official stamps, etc.
781
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:15,160
We met a number of official sources,
French and Libyan,
782
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:21,320
who allowed us to formally confirm
the authenticity of the document.
783
00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:24,440
Nicolas! Nicolas!
784
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,920
Nicolas Sarkozy was still unaware of
785
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,120
the ongoing evaluation
of the Koussa memo.
786
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:30,840
For him,
the war in Libya was already
787
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,280
a distant memory.
788
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,320
His attention was on
a new presidential campaign.
789
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,400
Running for re-election,
790
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,960
he held rally after sumptuous rally.
791
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,960
I'll be criticized
and I'll be attacked,
792
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,440
but I don't care because
I told the truth.
793
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,200
At the newspaper,
794
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,480
we were in a very
difficult situation.
795
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:59,280
The timing was very delicate
for us as journalists,
796
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,520
and made us very uneasy.
797
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,000
We had a large amount
of verified information.
798
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,760
And it was between the two rounds
799
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,400
of the election
Sarkozy was running in.
800
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,520
Should we publish or not?
801
00:46:13,240 --> 00:46:15,280
As president, I will ensure
802
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,360
the justice system
operates independently.
803
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,840
As president,
I will ensure my behavior
804
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,760
is exemplary at all times.
805
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:25,040
Let me tell you,
806
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,280
the office of the president
is not a normal office.
807
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,000
But in fact,
the presidential campaign
808
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,840
obliged us to publish
the elements we had.
809
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,440
It was the moment of choice,
810
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,360
the moment when political positions
were being debated,
811
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:47,520
positions that included questions of
transparency, of financing...
812
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,760
So in a way,
that document entered fully
813
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,480
into the field
of the presidential debate.
814
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,320
"Sarkozy-Gaddafi: Proof of Funding"
815
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,600
Mediapart published
the Moussa Koussa
816
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,760
memo on April 28, 2012,
817
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:05,040
between the two rounds
of the presidential election.
818
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:07,960
Nicolas Sarkozy was
questioned publicly
819
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:09,680
for the first time
820
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,680
about the financing
of his 2007 campaign.
821
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,160
Last question before
opening to the audience:
822
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,480
Online sources affirm
that Colonel Gaddafi
823
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,680
financed your 2007 campaign.
824
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:20,880
Is that true?
825
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,040
If he did, I wasn't very grateful.
826
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:29,560
His son, Saif al-Islam,
claims you received money
827
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:30,760
from the Gaddafi family.
828
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,680
A moral reference, I'm sure.
829
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,960
I pity you for being a spokesperson
for Gaddafi's son.
830
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,160
When you quote Mr.
Gaddafi, his son -
831
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:40,720
Mr. Gaddafi is dead -
832
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,600
his son, who has blood on his hands,
833
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,240
part of a regime of dictators,
834
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,280
of murderers,
that has no credibility,
835
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:52,440
and when you give voice
to the questions he asked,
836
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,440
frankly,
I think that's going very low
837
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,280
in the political debate.
838
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,000
Very soon afterwards,
839
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,120
Nicolas Sarkozy denied it,
840
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,040
and announced that he would
lodge a complaint against us.
841
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,800
And he did in fact file a complaint
in the following days.
842
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,680
His response was very muscular,
843
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,720
and accused us of publishing
a fake document.
844
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,560
For three and a half years,
845
00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:26,640
Mediapart had to wage a legal battle
against Nicolas Sarkozy,
846
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,560
and against Brice Hortefeux,
who joined the complaint,
847
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:33,600
to prove that we did our work well
848
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,800
and that the document
was not a forgery.
849
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:37,400
The justice system,
850
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,960
from the examining magistrates
851
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,280
to the appellate court
852
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,680
to the court of cassation,
853
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,880
which is the highest
court in France,
854
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:53,680
all of them, three times,
formally declared that the document
855
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,720
was not a forgery,
856
00:48:55,720 --> 00:48:57,600
contrary to the claims
of Nicolas Sarkozy.
857
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,520
- It's a fake.
- Made by whom?
858
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,880
First, Mediapart lies all the time.
859
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,000
And what is Mediapart?
A tool.
860
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,160
- Of whom?
- You know very well. Of the left.
861
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,120
The document is a crude forgery.
862
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:13,520
Why do you say that?
863
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:19,160
Because the two people in Libya
who supposedly sent and received it
864
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:20,960
have refuted it.
865
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,680
Nicolas Sarkozy didn't limit himself
866
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,240
to repeating that the
document was fake.
867
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,280
He and his lawyers
quickly provided a denial
868
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,120
from one of Gaddafi's
closest associates,
869
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,160
Bashir Saleh,
the recipient of the Koussa memo.
870
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:41,000
Bashir Saleh was no stranger
to Nicolas Sarkozy.
871
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:45,480
Let us recall the conversation
between Muammar Gaddafi
872
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,720
and the newly-elected
president of France.
873
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,360
Transcribed phone call from
12 days after Sarkozy's election
874
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,200
Sarkozy: Who should I meet with
to discuss sensitive issues?
875
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:56,960
Is it Mr. Bashir?
876
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:57,920
Gaddafi: Yes, Bashir.
877
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:58,760
You can reach an
agreement directly...
878
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:03,000
Bashir Saleh was the man
Nicolas Sarkozy hugged
879
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,160
when he got off the plane in Tripoli
880
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,000
in July 2007.
881
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,320
During the war in Libya,
882
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,160
Bashir Saleh was arrested
by the Libyan rebels.
883
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,040
He was to stand trial,
accused of a number
884
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,800
of crimes and misdemeanors,
885
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,520
including embezzling
and corruptly spending
886
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,200
the public funds of
the Libyan people.
887
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,920
But while he was in the custody of
the new Libyan government,
888
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,240
the French secret services,
the DGSE,
889
00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:35,400
organized his exfiltration.
890
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,960
In other words, we removed him
891
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,200
from the Libyan authorities
that we put in place
892
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:46,880
to enable him to escape justice
in his own country
893
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:48,960
and to reach France...
894
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:53,440
...where he was welcomed
by the Sarkozy clan.
895
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:59,240
He received
a temporary residence permit,
896
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:03,640
and was sheltered
until things settled down.
897
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,000
As the newspaper was under attack
by the Sarkozy clan,
898
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,280
the press discovered
that Bashir Saleh was in France,
899
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,640
protected by French authorities,
900
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,120
even as he was the target
of and Interpol arrest warrant.
901
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:22,600
That created a lot of confusion
in the executive branch,
902
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,680
which had to say both:
903
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:31,160
"Yes, he received a
residency permit",
904
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,040
and "But we'll look for him anyway."
905
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,040
Bashir Saleh denied
receiving the memo.
906
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,120
But he's wanted by Interpol
907
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,280
while living in France,
908
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,320
as confirmed by
Libération this morning.
909
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:47,080
- Can you confirm that?
- That's not quite accurate.
910
00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:50,160
First, you say he's
wanted by Interpol,
911
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,960
but we have no trace
of an international
912
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,640
arrest warrant for Mr. Bashir Saleh.
913
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,080
The press affirmed it on Saturday.
914
00:51:57,240 --> 00:52:00,480
Perhaps, but I presume the French
government would be aware of it.
915
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,880
What happened next?
916
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,160
It was between the
two election rounds,
917
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,880
and something happened that was
straight out of a film.
918
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,360
Once again, France
919
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,800
organized the exfiltration
of Bashir Saleh.
920
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:20,680
The scene revolved
around two characters:
921
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,640
the intermediary Alexandre Djouhri,
922
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,880
and Sarkozy's head
of domestic intelligence,
923
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,160
a man named Bernard Squarcini.
924
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:34,000
The two men met near
the Eiffel Tower
925
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,760
in early May 2012,
926
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,200
and discreetly organized -
927
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,840
via private jet -
928
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,280
the exfiltration, indeed the escape,
of Bashir Saleh,
929
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:50,280
even as he was wanted
under an Interpol red notice.
930
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,040
The Second Man in the Shadows
931
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,400
The man who exfiltrated Bashir Saleh
932
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,440
was the second intermediary
in the secret negotiations
933
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,160
between the Libyan dictatorship
and Nicolas Sarkozy's team.
934
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,360
A rival of Ziad Takieddine named
935
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,160
Alexandre Djouhri.
936
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,880
Though suspected in his youth
of belonging to criminal gangs,
937
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,200
albeit never convicted,
938
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,160
Alexandre Djouhri
deployed a gift of gab,
939
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:27,760
know-how, and a lot of nerve
940
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,080
to end up doing deals
941
00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:34,240
among the French elite.
942
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,520
Initially linked to
Jacques Chirac's entourage,
943
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,320
he gradually grew closer to
Nicolas Sarkozy's clan.
944
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:45,840
Good evening, Alexandre Djouhri.
945
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:48,440
Good evening, David Pujadas.
946
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,240
Thank you for receiving us
here in London,
947
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:52,800
and for granting this interview.
948
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,880
For 30 years, you've been a
behind-the-scenes man,
949
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,000
a discreet, even secretive man,
mixing with heads of state
950
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,080
as well as major business figures.
951
00:54:01,240 --> 00:54:03,640
In fact, how would you define
your profession?
952
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,960
You reject the term "intermediary".
953
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:06,880
Absolutely.
954
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,800
He was the second character
955
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:12,680
who participated,
956
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:17,120
on the French side,
in Nicolas Sarkozy's campaign.
957
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,840
You have Mediapart
explaining in an article
958
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,080
that there was financing
for the campaign
959
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,200
because a guy called Senussi,
960
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,800
who was sentenced in absentia
to life imprisonment
961
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:28,840
for the attack on the UTA DC-10,
962
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,720
and Saif Gaddafi,
apprentice dictator
963
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:32,440
with blood on his hands...
964
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,720
- The son...
- Yes, Gaddafi's son.
965
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,360
And a guy called Ziad Takieddine,
who you can't blame
966
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,160
because he's fit for the asylum.
967
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,120
Alexandre Djouhri had
a lot of contacts,
968
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:45,800
a network,
969
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,120
and in the police,
he had Bernard Squarcini.
970
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,200
Extract from a wiretap between
971
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,720
Alexandre Djouhri
and Bernard Squarcini
972
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:55,880
Hello.
973
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:57,520
Yeah, Bernard...
974
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:58,800
Yeah, Alex, how's it going?
975
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,280
- You didn't call me back?
- Oh, shit.
976
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:06,120
I was caught up at LVMH
and completely forgot. Sorry.
977
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:09,720
- Hello?
- Hi, Alex.
978
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,240
- Hi, Bernard.
- I'm waiting for an answer.
979
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,600
He still hasn't named
a date or anything.
980
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,640
He asked me 10 days ago
who I'm coming with,
981
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,600
and I said with
Nicolas and Claude's friend.
982
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,960
- When did you call him?
- Over the weekend. Yesterday.
983
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:25,080
Tell him it's urgent.
984
00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:28,360
We really have to do this,
go on attack.
985
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,280
I get it, you silly jackass.
986
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,440
I get it, OK.
987
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,280
- Talk soon. Bye.
- Ciao.
988
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,680
"I have no business
relationship with him...
989
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,600
"But a guy like that, who mixes
with bigwigs, you've got to see him.
990
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,320
"He's the interesting piece
of the puzzle."
991
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:53,760
The Squarcini-Djouhri connection
is another highly problematic one.
992
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,040
Having the head of
domestic intelligence
993
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,200
in your pocket, or "with you",
994
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,560
when you're running
such operations is a big deal.
995
00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:05,600
You have information
about your adversaries,
996
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,440
about what's going on
in various places.
997
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,680
It's a major intelligence service,
998
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:16,440
and Djouhri put the relationship
to good use
999
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,240
on many levels and
on many occasions.
1000
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,760
You've reached Bernard Squarcini.
I'm not available right now.
1001
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,960
Please leave a message and
1002
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,040
I'll call you back
as soon as possible.
1003
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,720
Commando Bernard, attack!
Call me back.
1004
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,000
I'm in the starting blocks.
1005
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,880
Following the
revelations by Mediapart,
1006
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,520
Alexandre Djouhri
was questioned about
1007
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,000
his role in exfiltrating
Bashir Saleh
1008
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,560
between the two rounds
of the 2012 election.
1009
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:50,960
Bashir Saleh is a gentleman
1010
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,920
who had an appointment in Niger.
1011
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,960
He told me: "I'm going to leave.
1012
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,440
"I have a meeting,
and I'll be back."
1013
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,240
I didn't know he wasn't coming back.
1014
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:05,440
From Niger,
Bashir Saleh fled to South Africa.
1015
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:07,360
Over the years,
1016
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,000
he's been questioned regularly about
1017
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,520
Libyan funding for
Sarkozy's campaign.
1018
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,120
If I gave to Sarkozy,
I'd say I gave it.
1019
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,560
We never gave money to Sarkozy.
1020
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,960
I'm not the person
responsible for that
1021
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,240
because my hands are empty.
1022
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,280
In fact, Bashir Saleh
1023
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,800
knows he owes his life
to Nicolas Sarkozy's France.
1024
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:32,680
And for years, Bashir Saleh was
one of Nicolas Sarkozy's trump cards
1025
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,200
in the Libyan financing scandal,
1026
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,080
serving as a witness
for the defense.
1027
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,880
Does the fact
that France helped you flee Libya
1028
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,640
make you indebted
to Nicolas Sarkozy?
1029
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,400
And is that why
1030
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:50,720
you deny any possible funding
of his campaign by Libya?
1031
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,680
In other words, do you owe him?
1032
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:54,760
No, no.
1033
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:56,800
I only tell the truth.
1034
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,880
But over time, Bashir Saleh
1035
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,720
became less and less
a witness for the former president.
1036
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,440
And in late 2017,
1037
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,840
with journalist Nicolas Vescovacci
1038
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,160
on the program "Cash Investigation",
1039
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,520
Bashir Saleh admitted
for the first time
1040
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,360
that there had been financing
of Nicolas Sarkozy's campaign.
1041
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,240
I think he gave money.
1042
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,840
Senussi said he gave money
to Nicolas Sarkozy.
1043
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,400
But with whom?
Not me! It's not my department.
1044
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:30,160
Could it be a bank transfer
via an offshore company?
1045
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,680
No one accepts transfers.
1046
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,560
You think Sarkozy
would accept a transfer?
1047
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,560
- So it could only be cash?
- Only cash.
1048
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:44,280
And then, just as he was beginning
to change his position
1049
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,600
on the affair,
1050
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:51,880
Bashir Saleh was targeted
in an attack in South Africa.
1051
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:57,080
He was shot by a gunman
while driving his car.
1052
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,800
Miraculously, he survived,
1053
00:58:59,960 --> 00:59:03,680
despite being shot several times
in the torso.
1054
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,240
Bashir Saleh's
somewhat distant revelations
1055
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,200
didn't garner much attention.
1056
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,880
But another character,
the one at the origin of this story,
1057
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:17,120
made new statements
that resonated like thunderclaps.
1058
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,960
Witness for the Prosecution
1059
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,800
Yes, Mr. Sarkozy
1060
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,720
was financed by Libya.
1061
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,160
Yes, he is corrupt.
1062
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,360
Yes, let him deny it.
1063
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,720
Let Mr. Sarkozy deny it.
1064
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,400
Ziad Takieddine felt abandoned
by Sarkozy's people.
1065
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,600
He was abandoned by them,
1066
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,680
even denounced by
Guéant in an interview.
1067
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,080
He engaged in a test
of strength with
1068
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,840
the Sarkozy team in
a rather public way.
1069
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,480
I can tell you that I know very well
1070
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,080
where everything is,
1071
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,880
and I know very well when and how
it will come out.
1072
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:05,920
Ziad Takieddine is a man
who came up alongside
1073
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,040
part of the French right.
1074
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,840
First Balladur's people,
then Sarkozy's.
1075
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,160
He became very rich thanks to them,
1076
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,400
but he was replaced at some point.
1077
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,320
Mr. What's-his-name? Djouhri!
1078
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,840
Complicit with Mr. Guéant!
1079
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,240
Complicit in all the dirty deals
of this Republic.
1080
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,520
When Ziad Takieddine's name
1081
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:30,120
got a little too hot
for the political scene
1082
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,120
due to its association
with the Karachi affair,
1083
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:37,960
he experienced what many people
in his shoes experience:
1084
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:39,120
he became a fuse
1085
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:41,600
and he was blown.
1086
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:46,200
But Ziad Takieddine was
one of those people who say:
1087
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,680
"If I'm going down,
I'm not going alone."
1088
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:50,800
- Was money paid out?
- Yes.
1089
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:52,120
By whom?
1090
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,960
By the Libyan authorities,
specifically Muammar Gaddafi.
1091
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,760
- To whom?
- Nicolas Sarkozy and Claude Guéant.
1092
01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:59,960
- Directly?
- Directly.
1093
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:01,200
How?
1094
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,160
Via bank transfers and cash.
1095
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,760
Ziad Takieddine's
thundering accusations
1096
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,240
reached the ears of prosecutors,
1097
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,080
and two years after
Mediapart published
1098
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,320
its first articles about the affair,
1099
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:18,000
the legal system decided
to take up the case
1100
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,240
and open a criminal investigation.
1101
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,080
The Law Gets Involved
1102
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:33,240
Specialized police,
specialized prosecutors,
1103
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,240
and specialized investigating
magistrates
1104
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,640
tried in turn
1105
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,760
to document the events.
1106
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:42,600
They have the means
1107
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,920
that the press obviously -
and fortunately! - does not.
1108
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:53,240
And the investigation
patiently began to confirm
1109
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,120
what Mediapart had been saying
for two years.
1110
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,280
Investigators heard
a lot of testimony
1111
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,520
and uncovered a number of documents
1112
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:04,240
that not only confirmed
1113
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:09,360
but even amplified
what we had started to expose
1114
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,000
in the Sarkozy-Gaddafi affair.
1115
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:14,400
From the outset of
the investigation,
1116
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,080
the special officers
of the anti-corruption office
1117
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:19,040
took an interest in Claude Guéant.
1118
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,880
During a search of his home,
1119
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,720
they discovered
in one of his bank accounts
1120
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,680
traces of a 500,000 euro payment
1121
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:29,920
originating in Malaysia.
1122
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,960
The funds were paid in 2008,
1123
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,920
3 months after Gaddafi's
visit to Paris.
1124
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,360
Claude Guéant
immediately invested the money
1125
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:42,480
in the purchase of an apartment
near the Eiffel Tower.
1126
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,080
The former presidential
chief of staff
1127
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,200
under Nicolas Sarkozy
1128
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,080
claimed the payment
1129
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,000
was for the sale of
two small canvases
1130
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:53,760
by a Flemish painter.
1131
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:56,760
It was a completely
banal transaction.
1132
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:01,800
I simply sold
two paintings that I had acquired
1133
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,880
some twenty years earlier,
and that's all.
1134
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:06,240
Unfortunately,
1135
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:11,520
Claude Guéant was unable to prove
he had ever owned the paintings.
1136
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,960
The judges even spoke
of a "fictitious sale".
1137
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:16,920
The paintings story was a flop,
1138
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,120
and what's more,
the financial trail
1139
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,680
was traced from the original account
1140
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:24,320
to another account,
then a third one,
1141
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:25,640
a fifth one...
1142
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:31,200
The courts now suspect that
Alexandre Djouhri and Bashir Saleh
1143
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,560
were behind the transaction.
1144
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,840
That Libyan money,
found in the account
1145
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,440
of one of Sarkozy's
closest collaborators,
1146
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,640
provided the courts
1147
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:43,760
with a rationale for
continuing to search
1148
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:45,760
for traces of Libyan financing.
1149
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,080
And another clue
reached the investigators.
1150
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:52,400
To understand it,
1151
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:56,160
we'll need to go back a few years.
1152
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,760
April 29, 2012,
1153
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,360
between the two rounds
of the election,
1154
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:05,600
and less than 24
hours before Mediapart
1155
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,720
published the Koussa memo.
1156
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:09,400
That day,
1157
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,280
the lifeless body of one of Libya's
greatest dignitaries,
1158
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,320
former Minister of Oil
Shukri Ghanem,
1159
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,440
was found floating
in the Danube in Vienna.
1160
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,520
The Austrian police investigation
1161
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,520
was very basic and concluded
the death was an accident.
1162
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:29,160
Shukri Ghanem had been walking
1163
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,960
in the middle of the night
and fell into the Danube
1164
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:34,200
and drowned.
1165
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:39,040
As it happens,
American intelligence officials
1166
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,520
believe the death was suspicious
1167
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,520
and that a crime was committed.
1168
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,000
Four years after his death, in 2016,
1169
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,760
a copy of Shukri Ghanem's
personal diaries
1170
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,320
reached the desks
of the French investigators.
1171
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,840
Among Shukri Ghanem's
handwritten notes
1172
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,080
was one that's been authenticated
1173
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,200
by several European police forces.
1174
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:07,040
It was written in his diary
1175
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:10,600
in April 2007.
1176
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:15,040
In it, he reported
meeting with Bashir Saleh
1177
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:20,520
and having "taken stock"
of the financing operations
1178
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:22,320
for Nicolas Sarkozy.
1179
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,600
"Saleh said he transferred
1.5 million to Sarkozy.
1180
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,080
"Saif [al-Islam Gaddafi]
gave Sarkozy 3 million,
1181
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,400
"and 2 million went
via Abdullah Senussi."
1182
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,960
Shukri Ghanem wrote detailed notes,
1183
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:36,080
indicating that several leaders
had contributed to the financing:
1184
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,320
Bashir Saleh himself,
1185
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,880
Saif al-Islam Gaddafi,
1186
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:42,520
and Abdullah Senussi.
1187
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:46,040
That handwritten note from
the Libyan minister of oil
1188
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,520
revealed that,
following a political agreement,
1189
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:51,960
Muammar Gaddafi had mandated
each of the three men
1190
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:54,040
to contribute a share
1191
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:56,680
to the financing
of Nicolas Sarkozy's campaign.
1192
01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:01,480
The document contradicted
one of Nicolas Sarkozy's arguments,
1193
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:05,480
that "this Gaddafi-Libyan
financing business"
1194
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:08,760
was made up by Gaddafi's people
during the war.
1195
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:11,000
That argument
could have been legitimate.
1196
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:13,720
Gaddafi loyalists
in the dictatorship
1197
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,240
were panicking about
being overthrown,
1198
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,360
so they accused France -
1199
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:21,840
which was the country
most committed to the war -
1200
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,400
of having been corrupted by them.
Basically, it was a smokescreen.
1201
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:29,160
It's a theoretically
acceptable argument.
1202
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:33,320
But if one of the leaders
of Gaddafi's regime
1203
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:34,600
wrote in 2007
1204
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:36,800
about payments
1205
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:38,840
related to the
presidential election,
1206
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,880
that completely
undermines that story.
1207
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:43,680
They couldn't have known in 2007
1208
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:45,760
that there would be a war
four years later.
1209
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:48,480
The Gaddafi gang,
1210
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:50,840
which is a gang of assassins -
1211
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:52,800
the father,
1212
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:54,640
the son,
1213
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:55,960
the nephew,
1214
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:57,160
the cousin,
1215
01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:58,560
the spokesman,
1216
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:01,000
the mistress, the brother-in-law -
1217
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:03,880
are heaping insults
and slander upon me.
1218
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:07,040
When did it start?
The French people need to know.
1219
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:09,440
On March 10, 2011,
1220
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:11,520
I received Gaddafi's opponents,
the NTC,
1221
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,440
at the Elysée Palace.
1222
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:15,160
On March 11th,
1223
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,040
Mr. Gaddafi stared talking about
financing my campaign.
1224
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:19,440
Never before.
1225
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:22,560
For four years,
he never said a word about it.
1226
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,640
Nicolas Sarkozy's outraged denials
1227
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:27,560
got more media coverage
1228
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:30,320
than Shukri Ghanem's posthumous
revelations.
1229
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:36,640
But Ziad Takieddine
would soon make new claims
1230
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:38,360
about his role in the affair
1231
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:40,800
that would violently upend
1232
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,120
the former president's
defense strategy.
1233
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,760
A suitcase like so.
1234
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,400
It opens this way.
1235
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,160
And the money's inside.
1236
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:57,840
One day Mr. Sarkozy asked me
if I could
1237
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:00,920
be the one who
1238
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:06,240
could transport some of the money to
1239
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:08,640
Claude Guéant from Interior.
1240
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:12,200
I started thinking about
what I'd cover it with
1241
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,560
to hide it, if there was space.
1242
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:16,640
He said: "Don't worry,
1243
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,640
"the services have been informed,
1244
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,800
"so you can enter with it
and deliver it to Mr. Guéant."
1245
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,160
What was in the suitcase, exactly?
1246
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,320
Nothing other than money.
1247
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:32,800
In the first one there was about
1.5 million.
1248
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:36,880
Ziad Takieddine explained
that he transported, three times,
1249
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,320
funds to the Interior Ministry
1250
01:08:39,440 --> 01:08:43,840
in November and December 2006
and January 2007.
1251
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:47,320
They asked me because
they trusted me.
1252
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:49,400
So I took it and delivered it.
1253
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,800
He incriminated himself by saying:
"I, Ziad Takieddine,
1254
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,760
"I picked up cash in Tripoli
1255
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,240
"and I took it
to the Interior Ministry."
1256
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:02,400
He spoke of three trips,
for a total of five million euros,
1257
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:06,960
given to him by Abdullah Senussi,
him again,
1258
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:11,320
to take to Paris,
to the ministry on Place Beauveau.
1259
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,760
He was very precise and detailed
in his accounts.
1260
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,120
He recounted the
scenes at the airport,
1261
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:19,320
the bags,
1262
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:23,280
the handovers -
twice to Claude Guéant,
1263
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:28,320
and once,
he affirmed, to Nicolas Sarkozy.
1264
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,960
Did Mr. Sarkozy know why
you were dropping off the suitcase?
1265
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,160
Did he know what was inside?
1266
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,720
Frankly, of course!
1267
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,040
Claude Guéant,
who contests the events,
1268
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:46,960
obtained a conviction for defamation
1269
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:51,120
against Ziad Takieddine.
1270
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,320
Nicolas Sarkozy chose to withdraw
just before the trial.
1271
01:09:55,440 --> 01:09:57,680
Mediapart was acquitted.
1272
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:05,800
Ziad Takieddine's revelation
came alongside another one,
1273
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,600
a sort of a posteriori
cross-checking:
1274
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:12,920
the revelation of
Abdullah Senussi's deposition
1275
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:15,280
before the International
Criminal Court.
1276
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:20,520
Abdullah Senussi,
the planner of the DC-10 attack,
1277
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:23,160
was arrested in March 2012
in Mauritania,
1278
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:26,040
then extradited and
imprisoned in Libya.
1279
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,800
Before the International
Criminal Court,
1280
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,600
he claimed to have
personally supervised
1281
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:34,280
the transfer of five million euros,
1282
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,240
via Ziad Takieddine
and Claude Guéant,
1283
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:40,680
to finance Nicolas Sarkozy's
presidential campaign.
1284
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:45,040
It's exactly what Ziad Takieddine
accused himself of,
1285
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,080
without knowing that
Abdullah Senussi
1286
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:49,000
said the same thing
1287
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,240
to the International Criminal Court.
1288
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:53,560
Once again,
is that definitive proof?
1289
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:55,440
No.
1290
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:57,840
But it did constitute
a compelling body
1291
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,080
of evidence for the
French legal system.
1292
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:06,520
Confronted with the serious facts
established by the investigation,
1293
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:09,520
Nicolas Sarkozy fought back
every inch of the way,
1294
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:11,640
appealing to public opinion
1295
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,840
and claiming an offense against
his status as former head of state.
1296
01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:19,560
A simple question about what
you mentioned last night:
1297
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:24,280
did you or did you not
receive cash from Libya
1298
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,280
to finance your 2007 campaign
1299
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:29,040
as Ziad Takieddine claimed,
1300
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:32,360
not only to the media,
but to French magistrates yesterday?
1301
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:35,240
Such indignity.
1302
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,320
On a public television station.
1303
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,680
You talked about it
yourself yesterday.
1304
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:44,840
You're not ashamed to quote a man
who's been in prison,
1305
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:48,560
who's been convicted countless times
for defamation,
1306
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:50,240
and who's a liar.
1307
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:53,400
That is not how I think
of the public service media.
1308
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:06,280
In the wake of those revelations,
1309
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:11,320
the investigators starting looking
for cash all over the place.
1310
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:16,840
In all of these major corruption,
influence-peddling,
1311
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,520
and hidden political
financing cases,
1312
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:23,800
one question always comes up,
that of the cash.
1313
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:28,560
Why? Because it's always used
for a very understandable reason:
1314
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:30,760
it leaves no trace.
1315
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,360
The investigators looked
into the movement of cash
1316
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:36,760
within the UMP and Les Républicains.
1317
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:38,680
Why so much cash?
1318
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:43,680
Evidence accumulated
about cash in a closet
1319
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:46,040
at the HQ of Les Républicains.
1320
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:50,360
It became clear that,
at the end of the campaign,
1321
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:54,760
all of the bonuses and
end-of-contract payments
1322
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:57,360
were paid in cash.
1323
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,960
According to one
legal expert's report,
1324
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:04,240
it came to the modest sum
of 250,000 euros.
1325
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,840
Which means that at the very end
of the presidential campaign,
1326
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:11,240
the campaign coffers
still contained,
1327
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:13,520
in large denominations,
1328
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:15,840
250,000 euros in cash.
1329
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,760
That amount should
be taken as evidence
1330
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,560
of the massive circulation
1331
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:24,560
of cash during
the presidential campaign,
1332
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:26,800
and an indication of
what may have been
1333
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:28,880
circulating earlier.
1334
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,200
But where did that money come from?
1335
01:13:32,440 --> 01:13:35,400
Campaign treasurer Eric Woerth
claimed the big denominations
1336
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:38,720
were from anonymous donations
sent through the post office.
1337
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:41,440
Where are the bank documents?
1338
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:42,680
The transfers?
1339
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:46,320
There are no documents,
no photos, no accounts.
1340
01:13:46,440 --> 01:13:48,360
There's no physical evidence.
1341
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,600
There's only hatred,
1342
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:52,160
mud,
1343
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:55,400
mediocrity, spite, and slander.
1344
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:04,320
The Hidden Friend
1345
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:08,880
During the official investigation of
the Sarkozy-Gaddafi affair,
1346
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:12,520
the magistrates discovered that
1347
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:17,520
Ziad Takieddine had created
an offshore company,
1348
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:21,160
as they're known,
1349
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,000
that was called Rossfield Limited.
1350
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:26,840
In February 2006,
1351
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:30,000
there's a record of a payment
1352
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:34,560
to an account labelled "Olin".
1353
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:37,960
O-L-I-N.
1354
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,880
At the same time,
in another legal inquiry,
1355
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:46,040
police were looking into tax fraud
1356
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:48,960
by a long-time collaborator
and friend of Nicolas Sarkozy,
1357
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:50,600
Thierry Gaubert.
1358
01:14:51,440 --> 01:14:54,760
In 1988, Nicolas Sarkozy
1359
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,360
officiated at the marriage
of Thierry Gaubert.
1360
01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:00,200
He was a close associate
in Neuilly local government,
1361
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:03,040
and would later become
Sarkozy's deputy
1362
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:04,960
chief of staff at
the Budget Ministry.
1363
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:08,640
Thierry Gaubert, a close friend
of Ziad Takieddine,
1364
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:11,240
was also implicated
in the Karachi affair
1365
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:14,720
and sentenced in 2020
1366
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:16,800
to four years in prison.
1367
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:19,320
He has appealed the conviction.
1368
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:25,000
It was revealed that he held several
undeclared accounts abroad,
1369
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:27,760
in Switzerland and the Bahamas.
1370
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:30,120
And then I remembered
that the village
1371
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:31,520
in Columbia,
1372
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:34,240
where, in 2011,
Karl and I discovered
1373
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:38,040
Gaubert's sumptuous property
hidden away from the taxman,
1374
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:41,560
is called Nilo, N-I-L-O.
1375
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:46,200
Nilo is Olin spelled backwards.
1376
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:51,520
And then I found a record
1377
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,880
from February 2006
1378
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:59,240
of a payment of 440,000 euros
1379
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:03,280
from a company called
Rossfield Limited.
1380
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,760
I thought, "This is incredible!"
1381
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:11,640
It was exactly the same amount,
the same date,
1382
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:15,000
and the same name
as Ziad Takieddine's company
1383
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:19,440
that was used to transfer
the Libyan money.
1384
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:21,320
For the first time,
1385
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:25,160
we had a bank record
of a financial flow
1386
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:28,640
that left the Gaddafi dictatorship
1387
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,040
and arrived in the
account of someone
1388
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,280
close to Nicolas Sarkozy in France.
1389
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:35,080
It was unequivocal.
1390
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:37,320
It went from Senussi to Takieddine
1391
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:40,000
to Thierry Gaubert's account.
1392
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:42,040
Thierry Gaubert,
1393
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:46,760
like many others,
wrote little notes in his calendar.
1394
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:52,040
We noticed that,
a day or two before the transfer,
1395
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:53,880
he'd written "NS campaign".
1396
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:55,560
For the investigators
and magistrates,
1397
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:57,080
it was like an admission
1398
01:16:57,240 --> 01:16:59,160
that he was also involved
1399
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:02,200
in Nicolas Sarkozy's
presidential campaign.
1400
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:06,240
Note the following comment:
"Ns - campaign"
1401
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:07,720
Thierry Gaubert
claimed he didn't know,
1402
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:09,080
he forgot,
1403
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:12,840
campaign could mean anything...
1404
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:16,440
He tried to duck the question
in a ridiculous way,
1405
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:20,520
since it's hard
to claim that "NS campaign"
1406
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,680
had nothing to do with
Nicolas Sarkozy's campaign.
1407
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:26,280
Gaubert denied involvement
in the campaign.
1408
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:27,560
About the annotation, he said:
1409
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:29,640
"It's a capital 'N'
and lowercase 's',
1410
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:31,560
not capital 'N' capital 'S',
1411
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:34,720
"so maybe it's not Nicolas Sarkozy.
1412
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,720
'Campaign' could mean
lots of things."
1413
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:41,160
So in December 2019,
1414
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:43,520
we revealed in Mediapart
1415
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:47,880
the missing link
in the Sarkozy-Gaddafi affair:
1416
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:50,520
the payment of a half-million euros
1417
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:54,560
from Senussi to Takieddine
and all the way to Thierry Gaubert.
1418
01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:00,240
The Gaubert-Senussi transfer
in the Libyan affair
1419
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:02,520
was an event from
the legal point of view,
1420
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:05,200
since Nicolas Sarkozy,
when questioned
1421
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:07,720
in the media a few years earlier,
1422
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:10,960
had very boastfully asserted
1423
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,720
that "not a single bank transfer
has been uncovered!"
1424
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:17,240
Where are the bank documents?
Where are the transfers?
1425
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:21,240
It turns out that there was
at least one bank transfer,
1426
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:23,120
for 440,000 euros,
1427
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:26,320
demonstrating the existence of
a financial flow from Libya
1428
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,280
into French pockets,
and not just any pockets,
1429
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:31,960
but those of Nicolas Sarkozy's
hidden friend.
1430
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,320
"I've had no personal
relationship with
1431
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:38,080
Thierry Gaubert since 1996.
1432
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:40,840
"What I'm telling you
is the absolute truth."
1433
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:46,040
During searches, investigators found
many elements -
1434
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:50,280
invitations, lunches,
gifts, meetings -
1435
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:52,480
that in their view attested to
1436
01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:54,600
"relational continuity
out of proportion"
1437
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,280
to what was claimed
by the former president.
1438
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:00,880
On March 21, 2018,
1439
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:03,160
after being held 48 hours
for questioning,
1440
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:06,840
Nicolas Sarkozy was indicted
in the Libyan affair,
1441
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:08,200
on charges of corruption,
1442
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:10,680
receiving embezzled public funds,
1443
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:14,000
and illicit financing
of an electoral campaign.
1444
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:16,400
The former head of state
1445
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:20,200
took the opportunity to denounce
a conspiracy by the judiciary.
1446
01:19:20,440 --> 01:19:22,280
It had been his go-to
defense strategy
1447
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,120
for several years already.
1448
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:28,760
Nicolas Sarkozy breaks his silence
1449
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:30,760
in an editorial in
tomorrow's Le Figaro.
1450
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:34,560
The former president, responding
to investigators' accusations,
1451
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,160
compares the surveillance of himself
1452
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:39,600
to Stasi practices in
former East Germany.
1453
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:41,680
The best defense is a good offense.
1454
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:45,200
Nicolas Sarkozy dips his nib
in exceptionally violent ink.
1455
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:47,520
"Surveillance worthy
1456
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:49,440
of the East German
Stasi and a dictator."
1457
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:53,080
He presents himself
as wounded and angry...
1458
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:03,280
Honorary Public Prosecutor
to the Court of Cassation
1459
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:05,720
It's a constant
among today's politicians,
1460
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:09,120
and the tactic sometimes pays off.
1461
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:13,560
It consists of trying to discredit
the proceedings
1462
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:15,880
by questioning
1463
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,760
the integrity and motives
of the prosecuting attorney.
1464
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:21,600
I've observed it now for 20 years.
1465
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:23,960
I felt the situation
was serious enough
1466
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:26,200
to tell the French people
1467
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:28,160
the extent of
1468
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:32,640
the political instrumentalization
of part of the judicial system.
1469
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:35,520
Things are being organized,
1470
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:37,960
and the French people need to know,
1471
01:20:38,440 --> 01:20:41,120
and with full freedom of conscience,
1472
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:42,920
they need to judge for themselves.
1473
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:45,480
I believe in the
honesty and sincerity
1474
01:20:45,480 --> 01:20:47,880
of magistrates
1475
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:49,440
and public prosecutors.
1476
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:51,760
I've always believed
1477
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:54,520
that a good magistrate
has to be courageous,
1478
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:56,760
and that courage is
an intrinsic virtue
1479
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:58,880
required of a magistrate,
1480
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:00,560
notably a good one.
1481
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:05,800
Courage allows you to make decisions
1482
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:07,560
that may not be popular.
1483
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:11,320
I've sometimes had to make decisions
that politicians didn't like.
1484
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:13,160
You do it anyway.
1485
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:15,640
I am the victim of relentless attack
1486
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:18,240
and of a justice system
instrumentalized
1487
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:20,680
to destroy me
and keep me out of politics,
1488
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:22,760
in the same way and
at the same time.
1489
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:24,720
The French are no fools,
they can see
1490
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:27,280
that it's all to weaken
Nicolas Sarkozy.
1491
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:32,040
In order to function,
democracy needs -
1492
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:34,960
whether it makes
everyone happy or not -
1493
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:36,680
it needs a strong legal system,
1494
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:38,080
one that's independent,
1495
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:43,040
that upholds the law
and the principles of the Republic,
1496
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:45,040
and that protects people's freedom.
1497
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:47,160
That's what the law is all about.
1498
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:51,680
When you embody an institution,
particularly at the highest levels,
1499
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:55,080
that's the state of mind required.
1500
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:58,280
And myself, as a citizen,
1501
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:01,280
it's what I expect
from the people I elect.
1502
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:03,200
What country do we live in
1503
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:05,760
where a former head of state
1504
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,320
can be subjected for months on end
1505
01:22:08,440 --> 01:22:12,200
to the surveillance
of his most personal conversations?
1506
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:15,760
Attacks on the legal system
by certain politicians
1507
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:20,320
discredit the Republic
1508
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:23,560
and undermine public confidence
in the institution
1509
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:25,120
and in democracy.
1510
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:26,680
It's extremely serious.
1511
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:29,360
It's even more serious
coming from a president
1512
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:31,640
who is charged,
under the constitution,
1513
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:34,240
with guaranteeing the independence
of the judiciary.
1514
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:38,240
So he should be the last person
to make such remarks.
1515
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:40,120
A few years ago,
1516
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:41,560
the chief appellate judge
1517
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:43,720
violently took a political stand
1518
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:45,840
against me.
1519
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:48,000
Violently and by name.
1520
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:51,040
Do you consider it normal,
Mr. Toussaint,
1521
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:54,120
for a judge who judges you
to be a political opponent?
1522
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:57,600
On October 16, 2020,
1523
01:22:57,760 --> 01:22:59,680
after four days of hearings,
1524
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:02,600
Nicolas Sarkozy was
indicted a second time
1525
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:04,960
in the Libyan financing case,
1526
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:07,040
on a charge that could deprive him
1527
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:08,960
of his civil rights:
criminal conspiracy.
1528
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:14,760
The new indictment gave rise to the
habitual attacks from his camp
1529
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:16,160
against the legal system.
1530
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:17,800
I hear he's in custody
for questioning
1531
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:19,320
and think, "Again?"
1532
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:22,160
I think the case will be dismissed.
1533
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:23,720
Once again he'll be tarnished,
1534
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:25,280
but when he's cleared
1535
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:26,680
he'll get just one
line in the press.
1536
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:29,160
It feels like a republic of judges,
1537
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:32,040
and the judges
want to get Nicolas Sarkozy.
1538
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,760
As I said yesterday,
the national financial crimes office
1539
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:36,960
is not a prosecutor's office.
1540
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:39,560
It's a political tool.
1541
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:41,840
And we need to know
who it's working for.
1542
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:46,200
And less than a month later,
1543
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:50,600
the judicial conspiracy theory
suddenly found favor with the media
1544
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,320
thanks to a spectacular
turn of events.
1545
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:03,560
"Save Sarko"
1546
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:08,640
We're going to show you a document.
Nicolas Sarkozy's main accuser
1547
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:10,640
has changed his story.
1548
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,160
This video was shot in Beirut
1549
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:15,640
by Paris-Match and BFMTV.
1550
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:18,280
Have a look.
1551
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:21,120
Mr. Sarkozy did not
receive Libyan funds
1552
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:23,760
for his presidential campaign,
1553
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:25,920
and Mr. Gaddafi
couldn't have provided
1554
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:27,960
them because he never did that.
1555
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:30,600
I say that loud and clear.
1556
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:34,040
The 32-second video,
1557
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:36,000
filmed beside the marina in Beirut,
1558
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:38,040
where Ziad Takieddine fled after
1559
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:39,920
being sentenced to
five years in jail
1560
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:41,400
in the Karachi affair,
1561
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:44,840
was broadcast only on BFMTV,
1562
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:48,040
accompanied by a long article
in the weekly Paris-Match.
1563
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:51,680
Judge Tournaire
1564
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:54,760
wanted to spin it to his own taste
1565
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:57,120
and have me say things
1566
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:02,120
totally contrary
to what I've always said.
1567
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:04,200
There was no financing
1568
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:06,120
of Mr. Sarkozy's
presidential campaign.
1569
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:08,040
Ever.
1570
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:13,080
There you have Takieddine's
clear statement...
1571
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:16,040
Contradicting
all of his past statements,
1572
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:19,440
Ziad Takieddine
exonerated Nicolas Sarkozy
1573
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:21,440
and accused the legal system
of manipulating him.
1574
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:25,560
The BFMTV scoop,
1575
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:29,240
coming less than a month after
Sarkozy's second indictment,
1576
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:32,040
gave him a miraculous opportunity
1577
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:34,640
for a new media counter-offensive,
1578
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:38,200
that started...on BFMTV.
1579
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:42,360
If there was an investigation
of a former head of state
1580
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:45,600
based only on
Mr. Takieddine's statements...
1581
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:47,760
- Should there be one
of Judge Tournaire?
1582
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:49,760
- That's not for me to decide.
1583
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:53,520
But neither the media
nor the legal system can accept
1584
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:55,600
that when Takieddine
denounces Sarkozy,
1585
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:57,520
you have to investigate,
1586
01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:00,400
but when Takieddine
denounces a judge,
1587
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:03,760
another judge can say,
24 hours later,
1588
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:06,560
there's nothing to see, move along,
leave it alone.
1589
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:07,720
No, Ma'am.
1590
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:12,760
It wasn't enough for Ziad Takieddine
to retract his statement,
1591
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:16,440
he also had to accuse
the magistrates.
1592
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:19,320
It's a bit obvious,
but it went down well
1593
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:21,800
with Les Républicains,
1594
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:25,960
and his whole camp was galvanized
by the retraction.
1595
01:26:26,440 --> 01:26:27,960
Have magistrates
1596
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:31,280
been blinded by a
desire for vengeance?
1597
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:33,800
Or even a certain form of hatred?
1598
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:37,320
When Mr.
Takieddine made an accusation
1599
01:26:37,440 --> 01:26:39,080
against a former head of state,
1600
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:42,800
an investigation was
opened immediately.
1601
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:46,200
When the same individual,
in the same case,
1602
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:48,680
made an accusation
against a magistrate,
1603
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:50,040
the response from
1604
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:51,280
the financial
prosecutor's office is:
1605
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:54,000
"Move along! Nothing to see here."
1606
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:56,120
Of course, at Mediapart,
1607
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:59,080
Karl Laske and I
were scratching our heads,
1608
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:01,640
wondering what was
behind this event.
1609
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:04,200
So we started checking.
1610
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:07,640
What's going on with him in Beirut?
1611
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:08,960
What is he living on?
1612
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:11,080
We called all around
Beirut to find out
1613
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:13,080
how his life was turning out,
1614
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:15,000
what his friends and
family were saying.
1615
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:17,840
We quickly discovered
that he was in dire straits.
1616
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:19,520
He was ruined,
1617
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:21,760
no home of his own,
1618
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:25,280
with creditors
and lawyers harassing him,
1619
01:27:25,440 --> 01:27:27,200
demanding money.
1620
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:28,840
His back was against the wall.
1621
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:32,120
On that basis,
1622
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:35,200
we took our curiosity
one step further
1623
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:41,000
and tried to find out how
his retraction happened.
1624
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:42,880
Who went to Beirut, and so on.
1625
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:45,480
And indeed we learned
1626
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:48,480
that a Paris-Match
journalist went to
1627
01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:50,880
Beirut, but that he wasn't alone.
1628
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:54,960
In fact, behind
Ziad Takieddine's retraction
1629
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:59,160
there was a whole cast
of colorful characters,
1630
01:27:59,920 --> 01:28:02,760
foremost among them a businesswoman
1631
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:05,600
who's also known as
1632
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,320
the big cheese of
the celebrity press:
1633
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:12,000
Michèle Marchand,
nicknamed Mimi Marchand.
1634
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:15,200
She has close ties
throughout French politics.
1635
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:18,160
She's close with the Macrons,
1636
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:20,560
but also with the Sarkozys,
1637
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:22,840
Nicolas Sarkozy and
his wife Carla Bruni,
1638
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:25,600
whom she'd known as
a singer and model
1639
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:28,240
for several decades.
1640
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:32,240
I'm just a free electron
1641
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,920
who gets asked from time to time
1642
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:39,520
"What do you think?"
But nothing else!
1643
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:41,200
It's Mimi Marchand
1644
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:46,880
who is suspected of heading up
a rather baroque venture
1645
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:50,000
to convince Ziad Takieddine
1646
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:53,360
to change his testimony
in the Libyan affair
1647
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:57,360
in an attempt to
clear Nicolas Sarkozy.
1648
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:00,520
One thing led to
another and we gathered
1649
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:03,560
that money had been
put on the table,
1650
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:05,600
that he was promised
1651
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:07,160
the significant sum
of 4 million euros,
1652
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:11,480
and we published two articles
1653
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:16,080
that contributed to the opening
of a new investigation
1654
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:19,600
into witness tampering in the case.
1655
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:21,680
If this were a TV series,
1656
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:23,720
and I love a good series,
1657
01:29:24,480 --> 01:29:26,960
I'd say the script is implausible.
1658
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:29,240
Unfortunately,
it doesn't make me laugh,
1659
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:30,520
because it's serious.
1660
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:32,280
Not just for me,
1661
01:29:32,440 --> 01:29:34,160
not just for my family,
1662
01:29:34,440 --> 01:29:36,880
not just for those
who believed in me,
1663
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:39,160
but for France,
1664
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:40,840
which is giving the impression
1665
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:44,760
that it's former head of state
could be corrupt.
1666
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:46,520
It's ignominious.
1667
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:49,960
Professor of economics
at Sciences Po Paris
1668
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:51,280
Author of Save the Media
1669
01:29:51,440 --> 01:29:54,040
To organize Takieddine's retraction,
1670
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:58,520
you have to organize
all the media coverage around it.
1671
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:01,320
I won't go into the details,
1672
01:30:01,480 --> 01:30:04,400
but it's not just:
"Let's put it on the front page."
1673
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:05,840
You make it a saga.
1674
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:08,000
You get the right guests,
the right forums.
1675
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:10,160
A lot of work goes into it.
1676
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:13,160
Behind all that was Mimi Marchand,
1677
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:16,800
a high-powered press attaché
1678
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:19,920
who does her job very well,
from that point of view.
1679
01:30:20,440 --> 01:30:21,960
Good evening, Hervé Gattegno.
1680
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:24,760
You're the managing editor
of Paris-Match,
1681
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:28,200
which published Ziad Takieddine's
change of position...
1682
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:31,320
Asked about the background
of the retraction,
1683
01:30:31,480 --> 01:30:35,760
the managing editor of Paris-Match
was not very forthcoming.
1684
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:39,600
Was he the one who contacted you
1685
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:42,440
because he wanted
to make the new statement?
1686
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:44,800
Or did you seek him out
1687
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:47,240
and convince him to talk to you?
1688
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:49,400
Neither one, as is often the case.
1689
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:53,880
I won't tell you all the secrets
of the "making-of" the interview.
1690
01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:56,800
If I did, it would burst
the professional bubble,
1691
01:30:57,400 --> 01:30:59,520
and sources need to be respected.
1692
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:01,000
But it was neither.
1693
01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:04,960
We met him, he talked.
As you know, Ziad Takieddine
1694
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:06,560
doesn't need much encouragement.
1695
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:09,680
It's clear in this Libyan affair
1696
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:13,440
that the main investigator
was Mediapart.
1697
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:16,600
Beyond them, unless I'm mistaken,
1698
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:18,320
there was no cover of Le Point,
1699
01:31:18,480 --> 01:31:19,880
or L'Express,
1700
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:22,160
or the Nouvel Observateur.
1701
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:27,360
It did not lead to massive coverage.
1702
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:29,360
The question is why?
1703
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:31,400
There are two possible factors,
1704
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:34,680
probably both at work.
1705
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:37,880
First, in the
competitive media market,
1706
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:40,400
a new actor, Mediapart,
1707
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:43,280
had done very well
in a short period of time,
1708
01:31:43,440 --> 01:31:45,440
making some of the
competition jealous.
1709
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:47,880
So some of those competitors
1710
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:50,200
maybe didn't want
to "help them out",
1711
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:53,920
and didn't cover it much
since it wasn't their scoop.
1712
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:55,760
That's a first element.
1713
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:58,000
And it's doesn't
contradict the second.
1714
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:01,720
Which is that, in the media sector,
1715
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:04,840
there's a very influential actor,
the Groupe Lagardère,
1716
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:08,160
and one member of its
board of directors
1717
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:10,240
was Nicolas Sarkozy.
1718
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:14,880
When you have a former president
sitting on a board
1719
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:16,720
of a group that owns media outlets,
1720
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:22,200
and a shareholder of those media
1721
01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:26,400
knows how to intervene
and does so regularly,
1722
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:29,280
it's not surprising
that the story wasn't
1723
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:32,000
making headlines in
JDD or Paris-Match.
1724
01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:33,280
Except
1725
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:38,240
to announce the retraction
of a certain witness.
1726
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:42,560
The legal investigation obviously
went much further than we could,
1727
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:45,440
and was able to bring together
1728
01:32:45,440 --> 01:32:48,160
the exchanges of all
of the protagonists,
1729
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:50,360
which clearly proved
1730
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:54,960
that the four million were promised
in writing to Takieddine,
1731
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:58,640
and that Takieddine
talked for that reason.
1732
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:01,800
By investigating Michèle Marchand,
1733
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:06,280
we learned she was in contact
with Carla Bruni,
1734
01:33:06,440 --> 01:33:08,360
Nicolas Sarkozy's wife,
1735
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:10,560
and that the three discussed
the subject.
1736
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:14,560
Nicolas Sarkozy was informed
before it was published,
1737
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:17,880
before the operation went online.
1738
01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:20,840
That makes him a
potential accomplice,
1739
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:23,320
if not the manager
of the whole operation.
1740
01:33:26,440 --> 01:33:28,520
The "Save Sarko" operation
1741
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:32,040
was investigated by
the Paris courts,
1742
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:34,920
separately from
the Libyan financing investigation.
1743
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:40,520
The entente that had prevailed among
the main protagonists of the staging
1744
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:42,480
turned to fisticuffs.
1745
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:43,880
Hervé Gattegno,
1746
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:46,800
who denies committing
any criminal offense,
1747
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:49,200
was not a subject of
the investigation.
1748
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:51,800
Wiretap of Michèle Marchand
1749
01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:53,880
"The deus ex machina
was Hervé Gattegno.
1750
01:33:54,040 --> 01:33:55,600
"He planned it, not me.
1751
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:58,120
"I just carried it out."
1752
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:02,880
Wiretap between
Arnaud Lagardère and Hervé Gattegno
1753
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:04,120
Gattegno:
1754
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:05,200
"In one fell swoop
we gave it to him,
1755
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:07,320
"how could he resist?
1756
01:34:07,480 --> 01:34:09,640
"And you know Sarko,
he wants to meddle
1757
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:11,840
in everything, he wants to run it."
1758
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:14,520
Nicolas Sarkozy Hearing
October 10, 2023
1759
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:16,680
"You could say (Michèle Marchand)
tricked me.
1760
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:19,480
"If I'd known what she was up to,
1761
01:34:19,480 --> 01:34:22,120
my attitude would
have been different."
1762
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:25,840
Michèle Marchand Hearing
November 10, 2023
1763
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:27,760
"It's not right to say that.
1764
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:29,440
"It's not right or gracious.
1765
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:31,120
"But it doesn't matter.
1766
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:35,000
"We know what
the person who said it is like."
1767
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:38,000
The Ziad Takieddine
retraction affair
1768
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:40,120
became the false retraction affair,
1769
01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:43,000
and it led to the indictment
1770
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:46,040
of Michèle Marchand
and her presumed accomplices,
1771
01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:48,840
and also of Nicolas Sarkozy,
1772
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:52,160
who was indicted for
criminal conspiracy
1773
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:55,400
to commit a very specific fraud,
1774
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:57,760
which is called a "judgement fraud".
1775
01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:01,800
It's an attempt
to manipulate the legal system
1776
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:04,440
in order to be exonerated
1777
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:06,720
when you're implicated in a crime.
1778
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:08,840
The investigation
1779
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:14,120
also shed light on the close ties
between Nicolas Sarkozy's team,
1780
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:17,800
the management of BFMTV,
and certain journalists
1781
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:21,960
who promoted Ziad Takieddine's
false retraction.
1782
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:26,320
Text exchange, November 11, 2020
1783
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:28,680
Sarkozy's communications
officer and BFMTV
1784
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:30,800
Waché: N.S. could go on with Ruth.
1785
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:33,440
It hits hard.
N.S.'s reaction on Facebook.
1786
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:35,400
Fogiel: Great! You'll let me know?
1787
01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:36,880
Waché: Yes, we're on it.
1788
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:39,520
What broadcast slot
looks best to you?
1789
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:41,760
Fogiel: If he talks to Ruth,
we'll do several.
1790
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:44,160
So the first broadcast
doesn't matter much,
1791
01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:46,080
but it could be 7pm [...]
1792
01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:49,000
What would your schedule be?
1793
01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:50,120
Text exchange, November 13, 2020
1794
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:51,120
Sarkozy's communications
officer and BFMTV
1795
01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:54,480
Elkrief:
Are you getting good feedback?
1796
01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:56,600
Waché: Excellent!!!
Thank you, dear Ruth!
1797
01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:58,600
Decisive broadcast for us.
1798
01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:01,640
Elkrief: I hope so,
from the bottom of my heart.
1799
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:04,560
Text exchange November 14, 2020
1800
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:05,560
Sarkozy's communications
officer and BFMTV
1801
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:06,960
Fogiel: Good feedback?
1802
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:08,880
Waché: Fabulous!
1803
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:10,880
Fogiel: Great!
1804
01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:12,600
Waché: Actually, anytime
1805
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:15,760
you have to deal with
the Libyan affair,
1806
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:18,760
you can quote from it.
1807
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:23,320
The links between Nicolas Sarkozy
and Arnaud Lagardère
1808
01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:28,760
are far from secret
1809
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:31,360
because they're not discreet at all.
1810
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:34,800
That's what's interesting.
It could be a situation
1811
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:37,560
with a politician
1812
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:39,360
pulling the strings
in the background,
1813
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:41,000
trying to influence things,
1814
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:42,960
but doing it discreetly.
1815
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:45,760
But he didn't even see the problem.
1816
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:48,720
When Lagardère asked Nicolas Sarkozy
1817
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:50,840
to sit on his board,
1818
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:53,400
nobody saw a problem.
1819
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:55,120
It's a big problem.
1820
01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:57,520
You know exactly what you're doing.
1821
01:36:57,680 --> 01:37:01,200
And Nicolas Sarkozy knew very well
why he accepted.
1822
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:04,680
There are strong
links - too strong -
1823
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:06,640
between the political sphere
1824
01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:08,600
and the media sphere.
1825
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:10,160
They need to be questioned
1826
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:13,840
about the conditions they create
1827
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:17,720
in terms of corruption, favors,
1828
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:20,240
and unpublished information.
1829
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:22,880
And we also need to ask ourselves
1830
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:25,200
why we're not more
shocked than we are.
1831
01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:27,520
Collectively.
1832
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:29,480
July 11, 2024
1833
01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:31,640
For the station manager:
1834
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:34,760
"Move along. Nothing to see here."
1835
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:36,840
"As always, the station
1836
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:38,840
"worked with complete independence
1837
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:40,720
and was journalistically
irreproachable."
1838
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:45,120
What's interesting in the case of
Ziad Takieddine's false retraction
1839
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:48,440
is that Nicolas Sarkozy,
as in the Libyan affair,
1840
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:51,280
dropped his former partners.
1841
01:37:51,440 --> 01:37:55,120
As he did in the Bismuth case,
in which he was convicted
1842
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:58,560
and dropped his lawyer,
Thierry Herzog;
1843
01:37:58,720 --> 01:38:01,080
as in the Bygmalion case,
in which he was convicted
1844
01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:03,400
and dropped his campaign team;
1845
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:06,160
as in the Libyan financing affair
1846
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:09,200
in which he dropped Brice Hortefeux
and Claude Guéant,
1847
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:12,360
so he dropped Mimi Marchand,
who was a family friend,
1848
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:15,080
in particular of his
wife Carla Bruni.
1849
01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:17,360
So from case to case,
1850
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:20,160
we find ourselves
with a head of state
1851
01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:23,760
who sometimes seems to
behave like a godfather.
1852
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:26,960
Like the godfather
of a political mafia who,
1853
01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:30,760
as the judicial flames
close in on him,
1854
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:34,240
is prepared
to cut every tie that binds him
1855
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:37,200
to his lieutenants,
to those who've been implicated.
1856
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:38,720
I told the judges:
1857
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:41,600
"Search for a century if you want,
1858
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:43,200
"you won't find anything."
1859
01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:44,520
They looked everywhere.
1860
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:46,240
And why won't they find anything?
1861
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:49,640
Because there's nothing to find.
1862
01:38:51,440 --> 01:38:52,320
For 14 years,
1863
01:38:52,480 --> 01:38:54,800
Nicolas Sarkozy and his cabinet
categorically refused
1864
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:57,880
to answer questions from
Mediapart about the affair.
1865
01:38:58,040 --> 01:38:59,880
Questioned by the magistrates,
1866
01:38:59,880 --> 01:39:01,720
Nicolas Sarkozy
justified that refusal:
1867
01:39:01,880 --> 01:39:05,000
"I never respond to Mediapart
because they're not journalists.
1868
01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:08,040
"They're political hacks,
1869
01:39:08,200 --> 01:39:10,680
"waging a political war."
1870
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:14,040
We've been sued
1871
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:16,120
by Nicolas Sarkozy, Brice Hortefeux,
1872
01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:18,320
Claude Guéant, Ziad Takieddine,
1873
01:39:18,480 --> 01:39:21,040
and by journalists
close to Nicolas Sarkozy.
1874
01:39:21,200 --> 01:39:24,880
We won resoundingly in every case.
1875
01:39:25,120 --> 01:39:29,160
We were never convicted of forgery,
use of forgeries, defamation,
1876
01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:31,480
or infringement on
the presumption of innocence.
1877
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:33,600
We'll see if the facts we uncovered,
1878
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:37,320
and those uncovered by the police
and investigating magistrates,
1879
01:39:37,480 --> 01:39:40,040
will meet a definition
in the penal code
1880
01:39:40,200 --> 01:39:42,880
that will authorize a court
to convict - or not -
1881
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:45,800
Nicolas Sarkozy, Brice Hortefeux,
Claude Guéant,
1882
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:48,840
Alexandre Djouhri, Ziad Takieddine,
Eric Woerth, and the others.
1883
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:51,840
There are currently 13 defendants
1884
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:54,960
in the Sarkozy-Gaddafi proceedings.
1885
01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:56,840
Whatever the outcome,
1886
01:39:57,000 --> 01:40:00,760
Mediapart will not change
a single comma
1887
01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:03,040
from the articles it devoted
to this story
1888
01:40:03,200 --> 01:40:05,280
because we have only done our job,
1889
01:40:05,440 --> 01:40:08,120
which is to publish verified facts
1890
01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:10,000
that are of public interest.
1891
01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:15,960
The case known as
the presumed Libyan financing affair
1892
01:40:16,120 --> 01:40:18,440
went to trail
on January 6, 2025.
1893
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:20,640
Messrs. Alexandre Djouhri,
Thierry Gaubert,
1894
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:22,160
Claude Guéant, Brice Hortefeux,
1895
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:25,520
Bashir Saleh, Nicolas Sarkozy,
Ziad Takieddine, and Eric Woerth,
1896
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:27,120
along with five others,
have been referred
1897
01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:28,600
to the Paris Court of Justice
1898
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:31,840
to stand trial.
They are presumed innocent.
1899
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:39,640
The chances of factual truth
surviving the onslaught of power
1900
01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:41,680
are very slim indeed;
1901
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:47,200
it is always in danger
of being maneuvered out of the world
1902
01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:49,840
not only for a time but,
potentially, forever.
1903
01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:04,320
Subtitles: Jennifer Gay
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