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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,440 This film was made at a specific point in time: 2 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,760 during the ongoing "Sarkozy-Gaddafi" trial 3 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:51,920 at the special judicial court in Paris. 4 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:56,080 Our role is not to establish anyone's guilt. 5 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:57,720 We are not judges. 6 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,280 Only a court of law can examine 7 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:01,920 incriminating and exculpatory evidence 8 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,160 and determine whether a crime has been committed. 9 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,480 All individuals mentioned in this film 10 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,720 are presumed innocent. 11 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,480 The ambitious man has as many masters 12 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,560 as there are people useful to his fortune. 13 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,760 It's October 20, 2011, on the outskirts of Sirte, 14 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:32,000 in Libya. 15 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,880 These are the final images of Colonel Gaddafi's life. 16 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,680 The death of the dictator who ruled Libya for 40 years 17 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,600 marked the end of a war 18 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,040 that plunged the country into political chaos 19 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,160 and a cycle of devastating violence that continues to this day. 20 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,520 The war was conducted under UN authority, 21 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,320 but was promoted by one country in particular, France, 22 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,720 and the determination of one man, 23 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:08,600 its president at the time, 24 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:10,160 Nicolas Sarkozy. 25 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,080 Even as the bombs were falling, 26 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:18,920 two journalists 27 00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:20,600 launched an extraordinary investigation. 28 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,120 It lasted over ten years, 29 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,160 and gradually revealed both the extent of relations 30 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,160 between Muammar Gaddafi and Nicolas Sarkozy, 31 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,680 and how different they were from the official version. 32 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,720 August 16, 2023 interview in Le Figaro Magazine: 33 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,880 "The French people can't even say what I'm accused of. 34 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,680 "No one can make sense of it." 35 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,200 Sarkozy - Gaddafi: the Scandal of All Scandals 36 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:11,120 "Maybe some article gets written, but that doesn't matter. 37 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:12,640 "Why doesn't it matter? 38 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,040 "Because then there's another article, 39 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,160 "and then another one 40 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:21,000 "that says the opposite, and no one can make sense of it." 41 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,720 A Mysterious Email 42 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,680 During the first half of 2011, 43 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,600 an email arrived at Mediapart, 44 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,840 from an unknown source who wrote: 45 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,440 "I have something that might interest you 46 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,240 "concerning someone you're writing about." 47 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,560 We didn't yet know what that something was. 48 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,840 The person we were writing about 49 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,840 was what's known politely in political and business circles 50 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:59,040 as an intermediary. 51 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,800 If you're being nice, you might say a wheeler-dealer. 52 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,440 Less nice, as the law sometimes is: 53 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:06,880 an agent of corruption. 54 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:08,920 That man was Ziad Takieddine. 55 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,760 The email got our attention, 56 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,760 but required my colleague Karl Laske and I 57 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,560 to travel to a foreign country 58 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:23,920 to see what kind of documents were being offered. 59 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:29,440 And we found ourselves looking at Ziad Takieddine's digital archives. 60 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:34,160 Back in the Mediapart offices, Fabrice and I 61 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,360 started examining the archives we'd obtained. 62 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,120 It was a hard drive 63 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,200 with several thousand documents on it. 64 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,000 It had his tax forms, 65 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,920 photographs of his holidays with politicians, 66 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,640 and every deal he had handled in the previous ten years. 67 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,680 There were details about Libyan dossiers, 68 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,240 Syrian dossiers, Saudi dossiers. 69 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,560 His real estate holdings were documented, 70 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,680 since, as an intermediary, 71 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,640 he had properties just about everywhere, 72 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,000 in London, France, the French Riviera. 73 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,880 There was even his own appraisal of his assets: 74 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,760 97 million euros. 75 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,440 To understand Ziad Takieddine's role in the affair, 76 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,120 you need to go quite far back in time. 77 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,040 His name first appeared in the French news 78 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,720 in the context of a sensational political-financial scandal: 79 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,760 the so-called "Karachi Affair". 80 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,200 In the mid-1990s, 81 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,160 Ziad Takieddine, born into 82 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:43,960 the upper echelons of Lebanese society, 83 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,360 acted as an intermediary 84 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,640 in a gigantic sale of French submarines 85 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:50,560 to the Pakistani government. 86 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,640 Ziad Takieddine received colossal commissions, 87 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,560 part of which returned to France 88 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,840 during the presidential campaign of Edouard Balladur, 89 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,640 who, in 1995, 90 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:05,640 had decided to run against the designated right-wing candidate, 91 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:07,280 Jacques Chirac. 92 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,360 That same year, a young mayor 93 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,680 who had just been appointed budget minister, 94 00:06:13,840 --> 00:06:16,280 decided to join Balladur's camp 95 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,080 and became the spokesman for his campaign. 96 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,160 A certain Nicolas Sarkozy. 97 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,360 But the Balladur clan's hopes were short-lived 98 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,520 because Jacques Chirac won the election. 99 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,760 Ziad Takieddine's name remained in the background, 100 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,800 but we know that Chirac interrupted the commission networks 101 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,280 because he realized that the money 102 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,480 had been used for the Balladur campaign 103 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,880 and that considerable fraud had been committed 104 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,760 around those arms contracts. So he interrupted them. 105 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:57,040 That was a story Mediapart reported on a lot, 106 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,960 and about which we revealed a great deal. 107 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,320 And we believed... 108 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:03,640 how to put this... 109 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,120 that Ziad Takieddine's corruption saga, 110 00:07:06,280 --> 00:07:10,840 as understood by the courts, 111 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,760 was limited to that time period, 112 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:14,520 from 1993 to 1995, 113 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,280 and to his relations with countries like 114 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,920 Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. 115 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:22,360 On May 8, 2002, 116 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,240 an attack in Karachi, Pakistan, 117 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,640 killed 14 employees of the naval dockyards, 118 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,360 including 11 French engineers working on the submarines. 119 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,200 To this day, the courts continue to question 120 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,040 whether the attack was retaliation for 121 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,720 the non-payment of certain commissions. 122 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,280 Mr. President, I'm with the AFP. 123 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,800 According to information reported yesterday, 124 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,160 following a meeting between plaintiffs 125 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,360 in the Karachi bombing case 126 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,120 and the investigating magistrates, 127 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:03,120 there's talk of kickbacks to fund Edouard Balladur's 1995 campaign. 128 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,760 As budget minister, 129 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,280 were you aware of any such agreements? 130 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:13,080 There's no point asking a question like that from my right. 131 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,600 Listen, that's ridiculous. 132 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,760 Frankly, it's ridiculous. 133 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:24,520 So Mr. Balladur accepted kickbacks for his campaign 134 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,240 that never got paid, and then a bomb in Karachi? 135 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,200 Let's respect the pain of the victims. 136 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,440 Who could believe such a tall tale? 137 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,320 If there's a robbery in Brussels today, 138 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:37,760 I was here! 139 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,200 Undeniable. 140 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,240 Mr. President? 141 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,600 Sorry, I'm not laughing, because Karachi 142 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,520 is the pain of the families 143 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:49,520 and all that stuff. 144 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,840 But what am I supposed to say to that? 145 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,400 From Karachi to Gaddafi 146 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,240 After Jacques Chirac's victory, 147 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:09,160 the whole Balladur clan was sidelined from political life. 148 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,640 Their crossing of the desert lasted seven years. 149 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:16,720 It only came to an end 150 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,440 when Jacques Chirac was re-elected in May 2002. 151 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,480 Needing to close ranks on the right, 152 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,520 Chirac's second term 153 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,240 saw some Balladur faithful return to favor. 154 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,120 Among them was Nicolas Sarkozy, who joined the government. 155 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:34,280 Pardon me. 156 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,840 Nicolas Sarkozy became minister of the interior, 157 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,800 and Ziad Takieddine, 158 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,520 who had a magnificent mansion in Paris, 159 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,640 near the Place du Trocadéro, 160 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,040 organized a sumptuous party 161 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:53,040 to celebrate the return to power of the Balladur loyalists, 162 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,760 in particular Nicolas Sarkozy. 163 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:03,840 In early 2011, 164 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,360 when at Mediapart 165 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,160 we gained access to Ziad Takieddine's 166 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:09,840 digital archives, 167 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:14,640 it was like a digital Ali Baba's cave. 168 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,880 It helped us understand that Ziad Takieddine - 169 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,520 who we thought was a man of a clan and an era - 170 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,200 meaning the presumed agent of corruption 171 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,760 selling arms for the Balladur government 172 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,480 from 1993 to 1995 - 173 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:33,240 was in fact a continuity, a shadow element 174 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,280 in a chapter in the history of the French right 175 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,040 that lasted for decades. 176 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,880 In 2002, now France's top cop, 177 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,240 Nicolas Sarkozy was all over the media. 178 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,200 Have you had enough of all these punks? 179 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,200 And very quickly showed his true ambition. 180 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:53,640 When you're shaving in the morning, 181 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,240 you can think beyond the Interior Ministry. 182 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,400 Maybe about the presidential election? 183 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,000 Not only while shaving. 184 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:08,280 Nicolas Sarkozy needed his own network to rise to power, 185 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,400 and one might reasonably suspect 186 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:14,120 that he needed his own sources of funding. 187 00:11:14,680 --> 00:11:18,760 And that's how Ziad Takieddine showed up 188 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,320 on the radar of the Sarkozy team. 189 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,520 As we delved deeper into the documents 190 00:11:26,680 --> 00:11:28,880 that we came to call the "Takieddine files", 191 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,880 we saw a story starting to emerge 192 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,560 about the political, diplomatic, 193 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,360 and economic history between two countries, 194 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,480 France and Libya, 195 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,720 then ruled by dictator Muammar Gaddafi. 196 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:45,560 That story did not seem to correspond 197 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:47,240 to the official version, 198 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,480 the one the public knew, 199 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,600 of the relationship between the two countries. 200 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,800 All the more so when Nicolas Sarkozy, 201 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,880 then minister of the interior, 202 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,000 decided to run for president 203 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:01,960 and then became the French head of state 204 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:03,760 in 2007. 205 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,880 Trips to Libya 206 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,320 Takieddine called himself the "door opener", 207 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:16,800 so he tried to open doors. 208 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,680 He'd say: "I open the doors to a country, 209 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,320 "which is why I should get paid." 210 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:29,120 And so he "opened the door" to Libya. 211 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,440 Since Gaddafi came to power in 1969, 212 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,800 his Libya, 213 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:40,360 which claimed to be socialist and pan-Africanist, 214 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,680 was more or less openly at war with the West, 215 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,160 particularly the United States and France. 216 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:51,480 In 1976, Muammar Gaddafi wrote his universal revolutionary theory, 217 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,640 The Green Book, advocating power for the people 218 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,760 with Islam was confined to a purely religious role. 219 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,280 Former French diplomat in Tripoli 220 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,880 Author of In the Heart of Gaddafi's Libya 221 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,120 Libya was the first Arab country to nationalize its oil reserves. 222 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:17,040 It was one of Gaddafi's first acts in 1969. 223 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,120 He kicked out the multinationals. 224 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:25,560 So he asserted his sovereignty first by nationalizing oil and gas 225 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,720 and then by closing British and American military bases 226 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:31,360 that had been there since 1943. 227 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,880 That's a partial explanation 228 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:40,680 for the persistent confrontation with the imperialist powers, 229 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,320 because Gaddafi defined himself 230 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,720 as an anti-colonialist and anti-imperialist. 231 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:50,360 At least against what he saw as Western imperialism. 232 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,560 After the American bombing of Tripoli in 1986, 233 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,640 the isolated Libyan state 234 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,960 pursued a policy of deadly terrorist attacks 235 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,600 which led to its banishment from the international community. 236 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,040 But in hopes of ending the embargo against his country, 237 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:10,800 at the turn of the millennium, 238 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:12,560 the dictator declared 239 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:14,200 that he would renounce both terrorism 240 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,080 and his nuclear weapons program. 241 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,080 I would place the end 242 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,960 of the "state terrorism" era in 2001. 243 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,000 September 11, 2001, 244 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,880 was a real turning point for Gaddafi. 245 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,120 He realized that the world had changed, 246 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,800 that the American response would be merciless, 247 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,840 and that he could be next on the list 248 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,080 of terrorist states. 249 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,920 From 2003, with UN sanctions lifted, 250 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:50,640 Libya became the new El Dorado 251 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,280 for industrialists 252 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,600 from around the world. Mainly Westerners, but not only. 253 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,560 So there was a real craze 254 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:06,520 for resuming trade relations 255 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:11,240 in every sector, including security and the military. 256 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,800 And that's when Ziad Takieddine 257 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,800 really came into the picture. 258 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,880 He was the one who took the first steps 259 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:28,120 in the Gaddafi-Sarkozy affair, if I can call it that. 260 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,120 He made the first connections 261 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,160 and explored possibilities - including, of course 262 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,960 since that's what interested him most - 263 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,880 for secret commissions and dark money. 264 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:44,000 We uncovered trade and financial documents 265 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,120 that show a parallel diplomacy. 266 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,760 Ziad Takieddine was an agent of secret diplomacy 267 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,520 to Libya. 268 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,560 It wasn't philanthropy, 269 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,520 he had a financial interest. 270 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,880 So he undertook trade negotiations 271 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,440 on a whole host of economic grounds, 272 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,200 from the sale of espionage equipment 273 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,800 to the sale of crude oil and more with the Libyan dictatorship. 274 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,800 In Takieddine's archives, we discovered 275 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,880 that his first contact, 276 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:24,040 and his main contact in Libya, 277 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:25,160 was Abdullah Senussi. 278 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:30,120 For 30 years, Abdullah Senussi was involved 279 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:34,240 in the darkest and most dangerous side of the regime. 280 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,680 He was the man who organized 281 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,920 the terrorist attacks carried out by Libya in the 1980s. 282 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,480 One of the most deadly attacks by the Libyan government 283 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,680 took place on September 19, 1989, 284 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,000 against a plane operated by the French airline UTA. 285 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:01,760 The flight from Brazzaville to Paris exploded over the Ténéré desert, 286 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,080 killing all 170 people on board. 287 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,080 The investigation revealed that the attack, 288 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,320 ordered by Colonel Gaddafi's government, 289 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,200 was planned by Abdullah Senussi. 290 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,320 Abdullah Senussi was Gaddafi's brother-in-law. 291 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,240 He belonged to a very large tribe in the south, the Magarha, 292 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,160 which was allied with Gaddafi's tribe 293 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,200 and is very influential in southern Libya. 294 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:29,800 He's really... 295 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,880 the classic example of someone who had both 296 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,400 family and tribal legitimacy. 297 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:43,160 He was the epitome of the henchman. 298 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,800 He knew everything. 299 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,080 He handled all the sordid affairs, 300 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,720 and he was behind the terrorist attacks. 301 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,880 He was a pillar of the regime. 302 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,240 In 1999, 303 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,800 Abdullah Senussi was sentenced in France 304 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,480 to life imprisonment 305 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,560 for having masterminded the attack on the UTA airlines DC-10. 306 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,320 An international arrest warrant was issued for him. 307 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,520 It's dizzying that Takieddine 308 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,800 was in contact with Abdullah Senussi 309 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,520 because it meant he was in contact 310 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,080 with the most dangerous man in Libya, 311 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:27,720 a man convicted by France. 312 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:32,000 He was absolutely not to be associated with, 313 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,520 by any political leader. 314 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,800 But he would be associated with, 315 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,280 indirectly at first, by Claude Guéant 316 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,560 and by Nicolas Sarkozy's team. 317 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,880 Claude Guéant, a former prefect 318 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,000 and previous head of the French police, 319 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,680 was chosen by Nicolas Sarkozy as his chief of staff 320 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,160 when he became interior minister in 2002. 321 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,760 Guéant, a man as level-headed and discreet 322 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,200 as Sarkozy is impulsive and talkative, 323 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:06,080 became the conductor of the Sarkozy machine. 324 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,960 They would work together for nearly two decades. 325 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,080 We each have a specific role, 326 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,240 but we're used to working together. 327 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,280 No one takes offense if one has ideas 328 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,160 about the other's sphere. 329 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,240 It was Ziad Takedienne who organized 330 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:26,920 a visit by Claude Guéant, 331 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:28,680 chief of staff to Minister of the Interior 332 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:30,320 Nicolas Sarkozy, 333 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,440 in late September 2005. 334 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:38,800 It was a preparatory visit during which Claude Guéant 335 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,880 worked with the Libyan authorities 336 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,080 to prepare Nicolas Sarkozy's visit the following week 337 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,080 to Tripoli, the Libyan capital, 338 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,640 to meet the leader, Colonel Gaddafi, 339 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,160 who'd been dictator of the country since the late 1960s. 340 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,400 That preparatory visit by Claude Guéant 341 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,480 was very important 342 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,960 because in his notes, 343 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:05,520 Ziad Takieddine wrote that it had to be secret, 344 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:10,480 that neither the Foreign Affairs Ministry, 345 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,760 nor Jacques Chirac, nor Dominique de Villepin 346 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,800 could know anything about it. 347 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,400 The note indicates the safeguards that were taken. 348 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,800 Guéant was warned that it was essential 349 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,080 for the visit to remain secret, 350 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,120 and the note also states: "It'll be easier 351 00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:30,000 to talk about the other subject." 352 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:37,920 That other question was very likely the financing of Sarkozy's campaign. 353 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,960 Claude Guéant, the chief of staff of the interior minister, 354 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:47,200 and therefore of the French police and domestic intelligence services, 355 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,040 met in secret, in Tripoli in late September 2005, 356 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,200 the terrorist Abdullah Senussi. 357 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,760 It was a secret, behind the back of the French diplomatic corps. 358 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,080 The French ambassador and diplomats in Tripoli were unaware of it. 359 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,200 He met him without a bodyguard, 360 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:07,080 though with one other man, Ziad Takieddine, 361 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:12,440 who served as an interpreter between Abdullah Senussi and Claude Guéant. 362 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:20,480 One week after his chief of staff's preparatory visit, 363 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,880 Nicolas Sarkozy went to Tripoli. 364 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,480 It was a whirlwind one-day trip. 365 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,080 Thank you for hosting us during Ramadan. 366 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:36,280 Officially, the interior minister - who has no diplomatic mandate - 367 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,880 had come to discuss issues related to migratory flows 368 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:42,560 and terrorism. 369 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,480 But officials present were surprised by 370 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,800 an unusual and lengthy tête-à-tête 371 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,520 between the two men, 372 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,440 off camera, 373 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,240 and with only their interpreter present. 374 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,960 In fact, it was the beginning of a Faustian pact 375 00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:04,160 between Nicolas Sarkozy and Muammar Gaddafi. 376 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:09,200 Gaddafi was aware of Sarkozy's ambition 377 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:11,800 to become president of France 378 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,840 because Ziad Takieddine had told him about it, 379 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,360 as the notes in the Takieddine files show. 380 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,440 And he offered to help Nicolas Sarkozy 381 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,400 win power in France. 382 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:32,760 It was a traditional practice in the Gaddafi system 383 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,720 to compensate your guests, 384 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:39,280 to compensate armed groups or leaders you want to support, 385 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,840 and perhaps candidates for positions 386 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,160 or elected office in foreign countries. 387 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:50,840 So it was a common practice in the Gaddafi system. 388 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,800 Gaddafi saw Nicolas Sarkozy as a new player. 389 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,240 I think he rather liked him, 390 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:06,040 so he wanted to do the right thing, to restart the relationship 391 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,080 with a new president. 392 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:10,760 On that day, 393 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,120 Muammar Gaddafi asked Nicolas Sarkozy 394 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,160 for a gesture from France 395 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,840 to improve Abdullah Senussi's legal situation. 396 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,920 Muammar Gaddafi asked Nicolas Sarkozy 397 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,560 to find a legal solution, 398 00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:32,720 maybe even to get the arrest warrant against Abdullah Senussi lifted. 399 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,880 Sarkozy knew that Senussi's situation 400 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,480 wasn't just a personal issue for Senussi. 401 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,400 It was a state issue for Libya. 402 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:50,320 Gaddafi's regime was personal, but he was also a "weak dictator", 403 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,520 meaning he was dependent on networks. 404 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,440 He controlled the tribes, 405 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,200 but he was also controlled by the tribes. 406 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,560 And by his family. There were tensions within the clan. 407 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,640 So he was torn by those different interests. 408 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:08,000 And Abdullah Senussi could talk to everyone in the clan. 409 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,840 So it was particularly important 410 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,040 with regard to honor, to image, 411 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,480 and for internal balance within the regime, 412 00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:23,280 that Gaddafi obtain a kind of amnesty 413 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,240 for such an eminent figure in the regime. 414 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:35,840 We discovered that, 415 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,080 only one and a half months 416 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,200 after Nicolas Sarkozy's trip to Libya, 417 00:24:42,360 --> 00:24:45,480 his personal attorney and friend, 418 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,400 the famous Paris lawyer Thierry Herzog, 419 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,120 travelled to Libya. 420 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,160 In late November 2005, 421 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,080 he met with Abdullah Senussi's criminal defense team. 422 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,520 The discussion was about ways 423 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,480 the arrest warrant could be gotten rid of. 424 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,640 We know this through considerable material evidence, 425 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:14,000 notably a report of the meeting in Libya 426 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,960 between Senussi's men 427 00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:19,040 and Nicolas Sarkozy's lawyer, 428 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,320 who would also become 429 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,440 Abdullah Senussi's lawyer for a time. 430 00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:29,320 On December 22, 2005, precisely, 431 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,800 a close friend of Sarkozy, Brice Hortefeux, 432 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,920 then French minister for local authorities, 433 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:39,240 went in turn 434 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,280 to Tripoli, the capital of Libya. 435 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,960 Known as the most faithful of the faithful, 436 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:46,960 Brice Hortefeux was Nicolas Sarkozy's 437 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,800 longest-serving lieutenant. 438 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,160 His loyalty was rewarded with an appointment, in June 2005, 439 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,520 as minister delegate for local authorities 440 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,040 under the authority of Nicolas Sarkozy. 441 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,600 Like Claude Guéant three months earlier, 442 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:09,280 Brice Hortefeux met secretly with Abdullah Senussi in Tripoli, 443 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,080 in exactly the same circumstances: 444 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:12,800 without diplomats present, 445 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,000 without informing the embassy, 446 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,320 without a bodyguard, 447 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,000 without a translator, 448 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,320 but always with the same man, 449 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,000 the wheeler-dealer intermediary 450 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,640 and alleged agent of corruption, 451 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,040 Ziad Takieddine. 452 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,280 And that day, according to two of the three people present, 453 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,720 Ziad Takieddine and Abdullah Senussi, 454 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:37,680 this time the discussion was about financing from Gaddafi's Libya 455 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,160 to Sarkozy's team 456 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,800 for the 2007 presidential election. 457 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,400 Guéant: "I had no specific knowledge of Abdullah Senussi's situation 458 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,960 "and didn't know I was going to meet him." 459 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,280 Hortefeux: ‶I didn't know the details of his conviction 460 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,240 "and was totally unaware of the international arrest warrant.″ 461 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,160 Asked about his meeting with Senussi's representatives, 462 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,760 Thierry Herzog did not reply, 463 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,240 claiming ‶attorney-client privilege″. 464 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,880 Hortefeux and Guéant claim ‶traps″ were set for them, 465 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,200 one each, three months apart. 466 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,480 Nicolas! Nicolas! 467 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,440 In early 2007, 468 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,040 Nicolas Sarkozy, who had become leader 469 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,520 of the UMP party two years earlier, 470 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,640 launched his presidential campaign. 471 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,280 Breaking with tradition, 472 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,480 Nicolas Sarkozy was thinking big, and ran an American-style campaign. 473 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,040 It was a time of virtuous declarations. 474 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,120 A democracy beyond reproach is a president 475 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,880 who says beforehand all he plans to do, 476 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,840 and, above all, does afterwards everything he said he'd do before. 477 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,280 That is democracy beyond reproach. 478 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,160 I want France to defend human rights. 479 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,160 I believe it deep down. 480 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,920 I don't want and don't believe in what's known as realpolitik, 481 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,920 which leads you to abandon your values 482 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,760 without winning a single contract. 483 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,480 I won't to be an accomplice 484 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,200 to any dictatorship anywhere. 485 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,160 With such powerful statements, 486 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,360 on May 6, 2007, 487 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,640 Nicolas Sarkozy was elected to be 488 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,800 the sixth president of the Fifth Republic. 489 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,040 Across the Mediterranean, the congratulations were warm, 490 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,920 full of hope and promise. 491 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,920 Transcript of a phone call 492 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,720 12 days after Nicolas Sarkozy was elected 493 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,520 Gaddafi: Hello, Mr. President. 494 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,320 Congratulations again on winning the confidence of the French people. 495 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:43,640 Sarkozy: Hello, Mr. Guide. 496 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,000 I retain a wonderful memory of the quality of your analysis. 497 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,800 Gaddafi: We are reassured to have a friend in Europe now. 498 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,200 Sarkozy: Who should I meet with to discuss sensitive issues? 499 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,560 Is it Mr. Bashir? 500 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,440 Gaddafi: Yes, Bashir. 501 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,200 You can reach an agreement directly... 502 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,360 Sarkozy: Right, Mr. Guide. 503 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,200 I'll meet with Mr. Bashir and find an agreement with him. 504 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,120 Gaddafi: Goodbye, Mr. President. 505 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,480 Sarkozy: Goodbye, Mr. Guide. I'm counting on your prayers. 506 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:16,240 I don't pray the same way you do, but we pray to the same god. 507 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,280 A few days later, 508 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,240 Muammar Gaddafi offered the new French president 509 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,120 the release of five Bulgarian nurses and a Palestinian doctor 510 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,360 who'd been jailed in Libya for several years. 511 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,680 Their ordeal had moved international opinion. 512 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,680 And so an official French plane 513 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,080 landed in Bulgaria on July 24, 2007, 514 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,440 returning the prisoners to freedom. 515 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,640 But surprise, 516 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,120 the event was also a marital one. 517 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,880 Cécilia Sarkozy, the president's wife, 518 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,480 had been entrusted by him with working out 519 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,960 the last details of their release. 520 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,200 I wanted to tell you how happy we are 521 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,240 about the end of this long ordeal 522 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,560 endured by five women. 523 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,520 You'll also understand 524 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,960 that I want to congratulate Cécilia for her remarkable job. 525 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,040 A short but nonetheless sincere statement. 526 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,720 Barely 24 hours later, 527 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,320 Nicolas Sarkozy flew to Libya. 528 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,080 The new French president 529 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,960 devoted his first official visit to the guide of the revolution, 530 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,880 Colonel Gaddafi. 531 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,960 The French president and the Libyan dictator 532 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,360 were enjoying a public honeymoon. 533 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,920 The high point of their friendship would come six months later: 534 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,280 Muammar Gaddafi's official visit to France. 535 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,680 On December 10, 2007, 536 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,560 Muammar Gaddafi's plane landed at Orly airport. 537 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,760 For the first time in 35 years, 538 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,680 the former godfather of terrorism 539 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,600 received a prestigious welcome 540 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,920 in a major Western capital. 541 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:21,800 Diplomatic practice in France is for official visits to last three days. 542 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:27,040 Muammar Gaddafi asked to extend his for three more. 543 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:29,800 And so for six days, 544 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,800 the dictator, who pitched his Bedouin tent 545 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,640 in the gardens of the Republic, 546 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,800 crisscrossed Paris from one tourist destination to another. 547 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,200 Gaddafi the tourist is having a whale of a time. 548 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,760 Bateaux-mouches, Eiffel Tower, 549 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,120 30 minutes at the Louvre, including three with the Mona Lisa, 550 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,120 an hour at Versailles, a dream for his Amazonian guard... 551 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,880 He's been to Versailles, to the Louvre. 552 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,600 His clothes and schedule change, 553 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,600 but one thing is constant: the traffic jams. 554 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,320 Sister of Jean-Pierre Klein, victim of the DC-10 attack 555 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,640 Founder of the Association of Terrorism Victims 556 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,400 For us, and for me particulary, 557 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,200 it was a grotesque period. 558 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:14,200 We had no idea what was going on. It was insane. 559 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:15,800 The tent, 560 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,720 Paris shut down, Versailles, 561 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:25,040 Gaddafi in the cold weather with his fur coat and hat. 562 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,280 It was incomprehensible to us. 563 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,840 The pomp and circumstance deployed 564 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,880 for the dictator shocked public opinion 565 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,880 and scandalized deputies in the National Assembly, 566 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,320 as well as some members of the government. 567 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,840 The defuse the controversy, 568 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,760 the indispensable Claude Guéant was sent to the front. 569 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,280 Has Colonel Gaddafi reformed enough 570 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,400 to justify such a reception in France, 571 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,200 one that no other major Western nation 572 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,840 has yet granted him? 573 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,480 He was welcomed as are 574 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,720 all other heads of state visiting France. 575 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:01,720 But the efforts of the chief of staff 576 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,600 to the French president 577 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,280 did not quell the controversy that was growing by the day. 578 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,360 To silence the carping, 579 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,040 Nicolas Sarkozy played his joker. 580 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,560 It's all very well the talk and posturing about human rights 581 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,520 at the Café de Flore and the Zenith arena. 582 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,880 Gone was the criticism of realpolitik 583 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,040 winning out over values. 584 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,240 I'll be signing tens of billions in contracts 585 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,600 with our Libyan counterparts. 586 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,520 It's about French jobs and growth. 587 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,520 And he staged for the press, 588 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,280 with Muammar Gaddafi's jovial complicity, 589 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,160 the signing of contracts with Libya for a stated value of 590 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,240 a total of 10 billion euros. 591 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,760 There was talk of billions in contracts 592 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,320 that would fill France's coffers 593 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:55,480 and provoke a tidal wave of growth in the French economy. 594 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,640 Almost no one believed it. 595 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,680 For us, the victims of the DC-10, 596 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,160 the most unbelievable was the invitation 597 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,520 from Sarkozy, 598 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,960 because he did the inviting. 599 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,640 The pomp, all the time spent with him, 600 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,280 the impression that Gaddafi was everywhere, 601 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,880 and that we couldn't get away from him. 602 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,320 We couldn't make sense of it. 603 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,120 In the end, 604 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,640 Nicolas Sarkozy, the French president, 605 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,280 accepted us at - or rather invited us to - 606 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:36,560 the Elysée Palace on the last day Gaddafi was in Paris, 607 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,880 to meet us and talk to us. 608 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,680 That meeting was quite incredible 609 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,040 when you think back on it, 610 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:51,080 but at the time it calmed us in a way. 611 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,400 Nicolas Sarkozy took the time to listen to us. 612 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,880 And I remember him saying, more than once: 613 00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,760 "You're wonderful people." 614 00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:01,920 And we took it at face value. 615 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,160 And we needed to. 616 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,200 Nicolas Sarkozy had just been elected, 617 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,800 a young president, 618 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,000 and he received families affected by a terrorist attack. 619 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,880 And now we discover that the same man 620 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,760 had been elected thanks to money 621 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,280 received from the people who killed 622 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,640 our brothers, sisters, mothers, families. 623 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,600 In hindsight, if what is coming to light now, 624 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:38,120 what we know from the investigation, 625 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,160 proves to be true, 626 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,640 that moment when he received the families 627 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:49,480 makes it even worse. 628 00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:00,280 Nicolas Sarkozy gave Muammar Gaddafi what he wanted most, 629 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,400 and what he was prepared to pay dearly for: 630 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,640 for Libya to become a respectable country again, 631 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,600 one that a great democracy like France, 632 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,160 home of the Declaration of the Rights of Man, 633 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,320 can talk to. 634 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,680 The man who made that possible 635 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,880 for Muammar Gaddafi was Nicolas Sarkozy. 636 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,400 As his official visit to France was drawing to a close, 637 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,680 Colonel Gaddafi could never 638 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,800 have known that, just four years later, 639 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,320 his relationship with the French president 640 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,280 would change abruptly. 641 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,200 The Warmonger 642 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,680 During the wave of Arab Spring popular revolts 643 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,600 that began in Tunisia, 644 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,040 riots broke out in Benghazi, in eastern Libya, 645 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,960 in February 2011. 646 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,320 It was the beginning of a civil war. 647 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,160 To the surprise of all, 648 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,800 Nicolas Sarkozy 649 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,280 was the first head of state to receive 650 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,040 and recognize the opponents of Colonel Gaddafi 651 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,680 as the only legitimate power in Libya. 652 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,440 And just four years after hosting Muammar Gaddafi with great fanfare, 653 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,040 the French president began a diplomatic offensive 654 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,880 to obtain UN Security Council authorization 655 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,880 for a military intervention in Libya. 656 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,600 We have a job to do within a very specific legal framework, 657 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,560 that of the United Nations: 658 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:31,920 avoid deaths. 659 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,600 That was the context 660 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:40,520 in which Muammar Gaddafi made the rather strange statement 661 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:46,600 that if Nicolas Sarkozy bombed his country, 662 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,080 he could reveal "an important secret". 663 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,240 That secret was revealed a few days later 664 00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:57,080 by one of the dictator's sons, 665 00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:58,680 Saif al-Islam. 666 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:04,120 When asked about France's eagerness to intervene in Libya militarily, 667 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,120 to content of his statement was explosive. 668 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,840 First of all, Sarkozy should return the money 669 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,680 he accepted from Libya to fund his campaign. 670 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,360 We financed his campaign, and we have the proof. 671 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,040 We can reveal everything. 672 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,200 We demand that the clown 673 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,280 return that money to the Libyan people. 674 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,280 It provoked very little political comment. 675 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:35,200 People imagined it was one of the dictator's final boasts. 676 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,640 Since it was made at the start of a war 677 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,920 and by a regime dignitary, 678 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,880 we interpreted it with caution. 679 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,080 Nevertheless, we're journalists. 680 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,400 At Mediapart, we had the digital archives 681 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,600 of Ziad Takieddine 682 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,440 that provided us with specific elements 683 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,560 with which to understand the reality of Franco-Libyan history 684 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,600 from the early 2000s, 685 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,880 a reality that did not correspond to the official narrative 686 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,400 provided by France under Nicolas Sarkozy. 687 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,440 The documents showed 688 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,320 that the narrative wasn't quite accurate, 689 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,480 and many factual elements 690 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:23,040 in Takieddine's archives corroborated the idea 691 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,600 of the possible corruption of the future 692 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,080 French president by the dictator. 693 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:34,640 A patient effort of verification 694 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,400 enabled us, by the summer of 2011, 695 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,960 to publish a first round of articles 696 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,840 revealing a relationship - initially incomprehensible - 697 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,960 between Nicolas Sarkozy and Muammar Gaddafi. 698 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,200 The Dirty Truth of Sarkozy-ism 699 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,320 "Takieddine Affair: Arms Merchant's Assets Frozen" 700 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,000 "Takieddine Documents: 701 00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,560 Sarkozy Emissary Secretly Paid by Total" 702 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,840 On March 18, 2011, 703 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,680 a UN resolution established a no-fly zone, prohibiting Gaddafi 704 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,640 the use of his air force. 705 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,160 It was immediately interpreted by France and its supporters 706 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,440 as an authorization to bomb the Libyan armed forces. 707 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,200 Thus began a war that even the Americans 708 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,840 called "Nicolas Sarkozy's war". 709 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,840 There are questions about the war in Libya 710 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,080 that are still unanswered today. 711 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,960 Among those unanswered questions 712 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:43,600 is the choice by France to undertake certain bombing raids. 713 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,600 For example, in August 2011, 714 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,280 French planes bombed Abdullah Senussi's private home 715 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,800 in a residential area of Tripoli, 716 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,600 killing at least one civilian. 717 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,040 Was Abdullah Senussi's home in 718 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,960 a residential area, next to a school - 719 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,600 and where he was not even present - a military objective? 720 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,200 "To suggest that France unilaterally launched raids against a convoy, 721 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:15,640 "home, or any target 722 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,440 "is an absurdity 723 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,120 that does not stand up to any analysis. 724 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:24,440 "The multinational staff of NATO makes those decisions." 725 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:28,840 Although the war 726 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,160 was only supposed to last a few days, 727 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,400 it took six months for Tripoli to fall into rebel hands. 728 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,840 Gaddafi, on the run, was nowhere to be found. 729 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,360 But two months later, his convoy, identified by the Americans, 730 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,840 was bombed by French planes. 731 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,280 The dictator was captured 732 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,280 and assassinated on October 20th near Sirte. 733 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,000 Do you have any reaction to the death of Mr. Gaddafi? 734 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:11,800 The objective 735 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,640 is for Libya to regain its freedom 736 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,800 and hope for democracy. 737 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,920 Under the Rubble 738 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,320 The war left the country devastated, 739 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,680 divided among political factions and Islamists, 740 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,880 and in a state of political chaos that continues to this day. 741 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,120 And Muammar Gaddafi's "important secret" 742 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,800 could have disappeared forever under the rubble. 743 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,640 So the war ended, 744 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,880 notably with the death of Gaddafi. 745 00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:02,840 His followers were either dead or on the run. 746 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,280 We took several trips 747 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,080 to Cairo, to Tunisia. 748 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:17,120 We were looking to meet members of the former regime, 749 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,760 hoping to interiew them, 750 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,560 to see documents, and so on. 751 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,400 During our investigation, 752 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,960 we came across a document in 2012 753 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:39,120 that had escaped the bombing during the war in Libya. 754 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,080 The document was signed 755 00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:46,040 by a very important man in the Libyan hierarchy, 756 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:47,720 a man named Moussa Koussa. 757 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,160 He had led the Libyan foreign intelligence service. 758 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:57,040 The document laid out how the authorities had agreed 759 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,280 to finance Nicolas Sarkozy's campaign 760 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,400 to the tune of 50 million euros, 761 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,200 and that he, Koussa, 762 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,480 approved that decision by the General People's Committee. 763 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,760 In short, it shows the intent 764 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,720 to finance Nicolas Sarkozy's campaign. 765 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:20,760 The memo refers to a meeting attended on the Libyan side 766 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,080 by Abdullah Senussi and Bashir Saleh, 767 00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:25,880 Muammar Gaddafi's chief of staff, 768 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,040 and on the French side by Brice Hortefeux and Ziad Takieddine. 769 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,560 It reports that an agreement was reached 770 00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:37,200 on an amount the Libyan regime was prepared to contribute 771 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,680 to Nicolas Sarkozy's campaign. 772 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,480 When you're holding such a document, 773 00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:47,160 it obviously burns your fingers. 774 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,520 But it's not because it burned our fingers 775 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,720 and supported clues we'd already gathered 776 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,200 that it was true. 777 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,400 So we had to verify the document. 778 00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,840 We returned to Paris, had it translated 779 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,200 a first time, then a second time. We showed it to experts, 780 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:10,120 to authenticate the date, the official stamps, etc. 781 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:15,160 We met a number of official sources, French and Libyan, 782 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:21,320 who allowed us to formally confirm the authenticity of the document. 783 00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:24,440 Nicolas! Nicolas! 784 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,920 Nicolas Sarkozy was still unaware of 785 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,120 the ongoing evaluation of the Koussa memo. 786 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:30,840 For him, the war in Libya was already 787 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,280 a distant memory. 788 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,320 His attention was on a new presidential campaign. 789 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,400 Running for re-election, 790 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,960 he held rally after sumptuous rally. 791 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,960 I'll be criticized and I'll be attacked, 792 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,440 but I don't care because I told the truth. 793 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,200 At the newspaper, 794 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,480 we were in a very difficult situation. 795 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:59,280 The timing was very delicate for us as journalists, 796 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,520 and made us very uneasy. 797 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,000 We had a large amount of verified information. 798 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,760 And it was between the two rounds 799 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,400 of the election Sarkozy was running in. 800 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,520 Should we publish or not? 801 00:46:13,240 --> 00:46:15,280 As president, I will ensure 802 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,360 the justice system operates independently. 803 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,840 As president, I will ensure my behavior 804 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,760 is exemplary at all times. 805 00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:25,040 Let me tell you, 806 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,280 the office of the president is not a normal office. 807 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,000 But in fact, the presidential campaign 808 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,840 obliged us to publish the elements we had. 809 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,440 It was the moment of choice, 810 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,360 the moment when political positions were being debated, 811 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:47,520 positions that included questions of transparency, of financing... 812 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,760 So in a way, that document entered fully 813 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,480 into the field of the presidential debate. 814 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,320 "Sarkozy-Gaddafi: Proof of Funding" 815 00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,600 Mediapart published the Moussa Koussa 816 00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,760 memo on April 28, 2012, 817 00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:05,040 between the two rounds of the presidential election. 818 00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:07,960 Nicolas Sarkozy was questioned publicly 819 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:09,680 for the first time 820 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,680 about the financing of his 2007 campaign. 821 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,160 Last question before opening to the audience: 822 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,480 Online sources affirm that Colonel Gaddafi 823 00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,680 financed your 2007 campaign. 824 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:20,880 Is that true? 825 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,040 If he did, I wasn't very grateful. 826 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:29,560 His son, Saif al-Islam, claims you received money 827 00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:30,760 from the Gaddafi family. 828 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,680 A moral reference, I'm sure. 829 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,960 I pity you for being a spokesperson for Gaddafi's son. 830 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,160 When you quote Mr. Gaddafi, his son - 831 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:40,720 Mr. Gaddafi is dead - 832 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,600 his son, who has blood on his hands, 833 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,240 part of a regime of dictators, 834 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,280 of murderers, that has no credibility, 835 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:52,440 and when you give voice to the questions he asked, 836 00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,440 frankly, I think that's going very low 837 00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,280 in the political debate. 838 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,000 Very soon afterwards, 839 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,120 Nicolas Sarkozy denied it, 840 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,040 and announced that he would lodge a complaint against us. 841 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,800 And he did in fact file a complaint in the following days. 842 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,680 His response was very muscular, 843 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,720 and accused us of publishing a fake document. 844 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,560 For three and a half years, 845 00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:26,640 Mediapart had to wage a legal battle against Nicolas Sarkozy, 846 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,560 and against Brice Hortefeux, who joined the complaint, 847 00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:33,600 to prove that we did our work well 848 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,800 and that the document was not a forgery. 849 00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:37,400 The justice system, 850 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,960 from the examining magistrates 851 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,280 to the appellate court 852 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,680 to the court of cassation, 853 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,880 which is the highest court in France, 854 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:53,680 all of them, three times, formally declared that the document 855 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,720 was not a forgery, 856 00:48:55,720 --> 00:48:57,600 contrary to the claims of Nicolas Sarkozy. 857 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,520 - It's a fake. - Made by whom? 858 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,880 First, Mediapart lies all the time. 859 00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,000 And what is Mediapart? A tool. 860 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,160 - Of whom? - You know very well. Of the left. 861 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,120 The document is a crude forgery. 862 00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:13,520 Why do you say that? 863 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:19,160 Because the two people in Libya who supposedly sent and received it 864 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:20,960 have refuted it. 865 00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,680 Nicolas Sarkozy didn't limit himself 866 00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,240 to repeating that the document was fake. 867 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,280 He and his lawyers quickly provided a denial 868 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,120 from one of Gaddafi's closest associates, 869 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,160 Bashir Saleh, the recipient of the Koussa memo. 870 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:41,000 Bashir Saleh was no stranger to Nicolas Sarkozy. 871 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:45,480 Let us recall the conversation between Muammar Gaddafi 872 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,720 and the newly-elected president of France. 873 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,360 Transcribed phone call from 12 days after Sarkozy's election 874 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,200 Sarkozy: Who should I meet with to discuss sensitive issues? 875 00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:56,960 Is it Mr. Bashir? 876 00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:57,920 Gaddafi: Yes, Bashir. 877 00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:58,760 You can reach an agreement directly... 878 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:03,000 Bashir Saleh was the man Nicolas Sarkozy hugged 879 00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,160 when he got off the plane in Tripoli 880 00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,000 in July 2007. 881 00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,320 During the war in Libya, 882 00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,160 Bashir Saleh was arrested by the Libyan rebels. 883 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,040 He was to stand trial, accused of a number 884 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,800 of crimes and misdemeanors, 885 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,520 including embezzling and corruptly spending 886 00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,200 the public funds of the Libyan people. 887 00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,920 But while he was in the custody of the new Libyan government, 888 00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,240 the French secret services, the DGSE, 889 00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:35,400 organized his exfiltration. 890 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,960 In other words, we removed him 891 00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,200 from the Libyan authorities that we put in place 892 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:46,880 to enable him to escape justice in his own country 893 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:48,960 and to reach France... 894 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:53,440 ...where he was welcomed by the Sarkozy clan. 895 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:59,240 He received a temporary residence permit, 896 00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:03,640 and was sheltered until things settled down. 897 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,000 As the newspaper was under attack by the Sarkozy clan, 898 00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,280 the press discovered that Bashir Saleh was in France, 899 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,640 protected by French authorities, 900 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,120 even as he was the target of and Interpol arrest warrant. 901 00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:22,600 That created a lot of confusion in the executive branch, 902 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,680 which had to say both: 903 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:31,160 "Yes, he received a residency permit", 904 00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,040 and "But we'll look for him anyway." 905 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,040 Bashir Saleh denied receiving the memo. 906 00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,120 But he's wanted by Interpol 907 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,280 while living in France, 908 00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,320 as confirmed by Libération this morning. 909 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:47,080 - Can you confirm that? - That's not quite accurate. 910 00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:50,160 First, you say he's wanted by Interpol, 911 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,960 but we have no trace of an international 912 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,640 arrest warrant for Mr. Bashir Saleh. 913 00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,080 The press affirmed it on Saturday. 914 00:51:57,240 --> 00:52:00,480 Perhaps, but I presume the French government would be aware of it. 915 00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,880 What happened next? 916 00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,160 It was between the two election rounds, 917 00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,880 and something happened that was straight out of a film. 918 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,360 Once again, France 919 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,800 organized the exfiltration of Bashir Saleh. 920 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:20,680 The scene revolved around two characters: 921 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,640 the intermediary Alexandre Djouhri, 922 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,880 and Sarkozy's head of domestic intelligence, 923 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,160 a man named Bernard Squarcini. 924 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:34,000 The two men met near the Eiffel Tower 925 00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,760 in early May 2012, 926 00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,200 and discreetly organized - 927 00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,840 via private jet - 928 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,280 the exfiltration, indeed the escape, of Bashir Saleh, 929 00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:50,280 even as he was wanted under an Interpol red notice. 930 00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,040 The Second Man in the Shadows 931 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,400 The man who exfiltrated Bashir Saleh 932 00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,440 was the second intermediary in the secret negotiations 933 00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,160 between the Libyan dictatorship and Nicolas Sarkozy's team. 934 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,360 A rival of Ziad Takieddine named 935 00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,160 Alexandre Djouhri. 936 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,880 Though suspected in his youth of belonging to criminal gangs, 937 00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,200 albeit never convicted, 938 00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,160 Alexandre Djouhri deployed a gift of gab, 939 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:27,760 know-how, and a lot of nerve 940 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,080 to end up doing deals 941 00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:34,240 among the French elite. 942 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,520 Initially linked to Jacques Chirac's entourage, 943 00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,320 he gradually grew closer to Nicolas Sarkozy's clan. 944 00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:45,840 Good evening, Alexandre Djouhri. 945 00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:48,440 Good evening, David Pujadas. 946 00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,240 Thank you for receiving us here in London, 947 00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:52,800 and for granting this interview. 948 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,880 For 30 years, you've been a behind-the-scenes man, 949 00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,000 a discreet, even secretive man, mixing with heads of state 950 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,080 as well as major business figures. 951 00:54:01,240 --> 00:54:03,640 In fact, how would you define your profession? 952 00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,960 You reject the term "intermediary". 953 00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:06,880 Absolutely. 954 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,800 He was the second character 955 00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:12,680 who participated, 956 00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:17,120 on the French side, in Nicolas Sarkozy's campaign. 957 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,840 You have Mediapart explaining in an article 958 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,080 that there was financing for the campaign 959 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,200 because a guy called Senussi, 960 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,800 who was sentenced in absentia to life imprisonment 961 00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:28,840 for the attack on the UTA DC-10, 962 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,720 and Saif Gaddafi, apprentice dictator 963 00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:32,440 with blood on his hands... 964 00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,720 - The son... - Yes, Gaddafi's son. 965 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,360 And a guy called Ziad Takieddine, who you can't blame 966 00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,160 because he's fit for the asylum. 967 00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,120 Alexandre Djouhri had a lot of contacts, 968 00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:45,800 a network, 969 00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,120 and in the police, he had Bernard Squarcini. 970 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,200 Extract from a wiretap between 971 00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,720 Alexandre Djouhri and Bernard Squarcini 972 00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:55,880 Hello. 973 00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:57,520 Yeah, Bernard... 974 00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:58,800 Yeah, Alex, how's it going? 975 00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,280 - You didn't call me back? - Oh, shit. 976 00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:06,120 I was caught up at LVMH and completely forgot. Sorry. 977 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:09,720 - Hello? - Hi, Alex. 978 00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,240 - Hi, Bernard. - I'm waiting for an answer. 979 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,600 He still hasn't named a date or anything. 980 00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,640 He asked me 10 days ago who I'm coming with, 981 00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,600 and I said with Nicolas and Claude's friend. 982 00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,960 - When did you call him? - Over the weekend. Yesterday. 983 00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:25,080 Tell him it's urgent. 984 00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:28,360 We really have to do this, go on attack. 985 00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,280 I get it, you silly jackass. 986 00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,440 I get it, OK. 987 00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,280 - Talk soon. Bye. - Ciao. 988 00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,680 "I have no business relationship with him... 989 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,600 "But a guy like that, who mixes with bigwigs, you've got to see him. 990 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,320 "He's the interesting piece of the puzzle." 991 00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:53,760 The Squarcini-Djouhri connection is another highly problematic one. 992 00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,040 Having the head of domestic intelligence 993 00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,200 in your pocket, or "with you", 994 00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,560 when you're running such operations is a big deal. 995 00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:05,600 You have information about your adversaries, 996 00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,440 about what's going on in various places. 997 00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,680 It's a major intelligence service, 998 00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:16,440 and Djouhri put the relationship to good use 999 00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,240 on many levels and on many occasions. 1000 00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,760 You've reached Bernard Squarcini. I'm not available right now. 1001 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,960 Please leave a message and 1002 00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,040 I'll call you back as soon as possible. 1003 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,720 Commando Bernard, attack! Call me back. 1004 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,000 I'm in the starting blocks. 1005 00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,880 Following the revelations by Mediapart, 1006 00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,520 Alexandre Djouhri was questioned about 1007 00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,000 his role in exfiltrating Bashir Saleh 1008 00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,560 between the two rounds of the 2012 election. 1009 00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:50,960 Bashir Saleh is a gentleman 1010 00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,920 who had an appointment in Niger. 1011 00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,960 He told me: "I'm going to leave. 1012 00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,440 "I have a meeting, and I'll be back." 1013 00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,240 I didn't know he wasn't coming back. 1014 00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:05,440 From Niger, Bashir Saleh fled to South Africa. 1015 00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:07,360 Over the years, 1016 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,000 he's been questioned regularly about 1017 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,520 Libyan funding for Sarkozy's campaign. 1018 00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,120 If I gave to Sarkozy, I'd say I gave it. 1019 00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,560 We never gave money to Sarkozy. 1020 00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,960 I'm not the person responsible for that 1021 00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,240 because my hands are empty. 1022 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,280 In fact, Bashir Saleh 1023 00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,800 knows he owes his life to Nicolas Sarkozy's France. 1024 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:32,680 And for years, Bashir Saleh was one of Nicolas Sarkozy's trump cards 1025 00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,200 in the Libyan financing scandal, 1026 00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,080 serving as a witness for the defense. 1027 00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,880 Does the fact that France helped you flee Libya 1028 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,640 make you indebted to Nicolas Sarkozy? 1029 00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,400 And is that why 1030 00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:50,720 you deny any possible funding of his campaign by Libya? 1031 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,680 In other words, do you owe him? 1032 00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:54,760 No, no. 1033 00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:56,800 I only tell the truth. 1034 00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,880 But over time, Bashir Saleh 1035 00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,720 became less and less a witness for the former president. 1036 00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,440 And in late 2017, 1037 00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,840 with journalist Nicolas Vescovacci 1038 00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,160 on the program "Cash Investigation", 1039 00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,520 Bashir Saleh admitted for the first time 1040 00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,360 that there had been financing of Nicolas Sarkozy's campaign. 1041 00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,240 I think he gave money. 1042 00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,840 Senussi said he gave money to Nicolas Sarkozy. 1043 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,400 But with whom? Not me! It's not my department. 1044 00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:30,160 Could it be a bank transfer via an offshore company? 1045 00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,680 No one accepts transfers. 1046 00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,560 You think Sarkozy would accept a transfer? 1047 00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,560 - So it could only be cash? - Only cash. 1048 00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:44,280 And then, just as he was beginning to change his position 1049 00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,600 on the affair, 1050 00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:51,880 Bashir Saleh was targeted in an attack in South Africa. 1051 00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:57,080 He was shot by a gunman while driving his car. 1052 00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,800 Miraculously, he survived, 1053 00:58:59,960 --> 00:59:03,680 despite being shot several times in the torso. 1054 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,240 Bashir Saleh's somewhat distant revelations 1055 00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,200 didn't garner much attention. 1056 00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,880 But another character, the one at the origin of this story, 1057 00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:17,120 made new statements that resonated like thunderclaps. 1058 00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,960 Witness for the Prosecution 1059 00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,800 Yes, Mr. Sarkozy 1060 00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,720 was financed by Libya. 1061 00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,160 Yes, he is corrupt. 1062 00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,360 Yes, let him deny it. 1063 00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,720 Let Mr. Sarkozy deny it. 1064 00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,400 Ziad Takieddine felt abandoned by Sarkozy's people. 1065 00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,600 He was abandoned by them, 1066 00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,680 even denounced by Guéant in an interview. 1067 00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,080 He engaged in a test of strength with 1068 00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,840 the Sarkozy team in a rather public way. 1069 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,480 I can tell you that I know very well 1070 00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,080 where everything is, 1071 00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,880 and I know very well when and how it will come out. 1072 01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:05,920 Ziad Takieddine is a man who came up alongside 1073 01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,040 part of the French right. 1074 01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,840 First Balladur's people, then Sarkozy's. 1075 01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,160 He became very rich thanks to them, 1076 01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,400 but he was replaced at some point. 1077 01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,320 Mr. What's-his-name? Djouhri! 1078 01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,840 Complicit with Mr. Guéant! 1079 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,240 Complicit in all the dirty deals of this Republic. 1080 01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,520 When Ziad Takieddine's name 1081 01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:30,120 got a little too hot for the political scene 1082 01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,120 due to its association with the Karachi affair, 1083 01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:37,960 he experienced what many people in his shoes experience: 1084 01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:39,120 he became a fuse 1085 01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:41,600 and he was blown. 1086 01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:46,200 But Ziad Takieddine was one of those people who say: 1087 01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,680 "If I'm going down, I'm not going alone." 1088 01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:50,800 - Was money paid out? - Yes. 1089 01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:52,120 By whom? 1090 01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,960 By the Libyan authorities, specifically Muammar Gaddafi. 1091 01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,760 - To whom? - Nicolas Sarkozy and Claude Guéant. 1092 01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:59,960 - Directly? - Directly. 1093 01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:01,200 How? 1094 01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,160 Via bank transfers and cash. 1095 01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,760 Ziad Takieddine's thundering accusations 1096 01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,240 reached the ears of prosecutors, 1097 01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,080 and two years after Mediapart published 1098 01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,320 its first articles about the affair, 1099 01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:18,000 the legal system decided to take up the case 1100 01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,240 and open a criminal investigation. 1101 01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,080 The Law Gets Involved 1102 01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:33,240 Specialized police, specialized prosecutors, 1103 01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,240 and specialized investigating magistrates 1104 01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,640 tried in turn 1105 01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,760 to document the events. 1106 01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:42,600 They have the means 1107 01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,920 that the press obviously - and fortunately! - does not. 1108 01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:53,240 And the investigation patiently began to confirm 1109 01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,120 what Mediapart had been saying for two years. 1110 01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,280 Investigators heard a lot of testimony 1111 01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,520 and uncovered a number of documents 1112 01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:04,240 that not only confirmed 1113 01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:09,360 but even amplified what we had started to expose 1114 01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,000 in the Sarkozy-Gaddafi affair. 1115 01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:14,400 From the outset of the investigation, 1116 01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,080 the special officers of the anti-corruption office 1117 01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:19,040 took an interest in Claude Guéant. 1118 01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,880 During a search of his home, 1119 01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,720 they discovered in one of his bank accounts 1120 01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,680 traces of a 500,000 euro payment 1121 01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:29,920 originating in Malaysia. 1122 01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,960 The funds were paid in 2008, 1123 01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,920 3 months after Gaddafi's visit to Paris. 1124 01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,360 Claude Guéant immediately invested the money 1125 01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:42,480 in the purchase of an apartment near the Eiffel Tower. 1126 01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,080 The former presidential chief of staff 1127 01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,200 under Nicolas Sarkozy 1128 01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,080 claimed the payment 1129 01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,000 was for the sale of two small canvases 1130 01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:53,760 by a Flemish painter. 1131 01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:56,760 It was a completely banal transaction. 1132 01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:01,800 I simply sold two paintings that I had acquired 1133 01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,880 some twenty years earlier, and that's all. 1134 01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:06,240 Unfortunately, 1135 01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:11,520 Claude Guéant was unable to prove he had ever owned the paintings. 1136 01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,960 The judges even spoke of a "fictitious sale". 1137 01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:16,920 The paintings story was a flop, 1138 01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,120 and what's more, the financial trail 1139 01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,680 was traced from the original account 1140 01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:24,320 to another account, then a third one, 1141 01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:25,640 a fifth one... 1142 01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:31,200 The courts now suspect that Alexandre Djouhri and Bashir Saleh 1143 01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,560 were behind the transaction. 1144 01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,840 That Libyan money, found in the account 1145 01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,440 of one of Sarkozy's closest collaborators, 1146 01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,640 provided the courts 1147 01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:43,760 with a rationale for continuing to search 1148 01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:45,760 for traces of Libyan financing. 1149 01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,080 And another clue reached the investigators. 1150 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:52,400 To understand it, 1151 01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:56,160 we'll need to go back a few years. 1152 01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,760 April 29, 2012, 1153 01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,360 between the two rounds of the election, 1154 01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:05,600 and less than 24 hours before Mediapart 1155 01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,720 published the Koussa memo. 1156 01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:09,400 That day, 1157 01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,280 the lifeless body of one of Libya's greatest dignitaries, 1158 01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,320 former Minister of Oil Shukri Ghanem, 1159 01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,440 was found floating in the Danube in Vienna. 1160 01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,520 The Austrian police investigation 1161 01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,520 was very basic and concluded the death was an accident. 1162 01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:29,160 Shukri Ghanem had been walking 1163 01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,960 in the middle of the night and fell into the Danube 1164 01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:34,200 and drowned. 1165 01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:39,040 As it happens, American intelligence officials 1166 01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,520 believe the death was suspicious 1167 01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,520 and that a crime was committed. 1168 01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,000 Four years after his death, in 2016, 1169 01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,760 a copy of Shukri Ghanem's personal diaries 1170 01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,320 reached the desks of the French investigators. 1171 01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,840 Among Shukri Ghanem's handwritten notes 1172 01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,080 was one that's been authenticated 1173 01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,200 by several European police forces. 1174 01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:07,040 It was written in his diary 1175 01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:10,600 in April 2007. 1176 01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:15,040 In it, he reported meeting with Bashir Saleh 1177 01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:20,520 and having "taken stock" of the financing operations 1178 01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:22,320 for Nicolas Sarkozy. 1179 01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,600 "Saleh said he transferred 1.5 million to Sarkozy. 1180 01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,080 "Saif [al-Islam Gaddafi] gave Sarkozy 3 million, 1181 01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,400 "and 2 million went via Abdullah Senussi." 1182 01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,960 Shukri Ghanem wrote detailed notes, 1183 01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:36,080 indicating that several leaders had contributed to the financing: 1184 01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,320 Bashir Saleh himself, 1185 01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,880 Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, 1186 01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:42,520 and Abdullah Senussi. 1187 01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:46,040 That handwritten note from the Libyan minister of oil 1188 01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,520 revealed that, following a political agreement, 1189 01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:51,960 Muammar Gaddafi had mandated each of the three men 1190 01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:54,040 to contribute a share 1191 01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:56,680 to the financing of Nicolas Sarkozy's campaign. 1192 01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:01,480 The document contradicted one of Nicolas Sarkozy's arguments, 1193 01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:05,480 that "this Gaddafi-Libyan financing business" 1194 01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:08,760 was made up by Gaddafi's people during the war. 1195 01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:11,000 That argument could have been legitimate. 1196 01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:13,720 Gaddafi loyalists in the dictatorship 1197 01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,240 were panicking about being overthrown, 1198 01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,360 so they accused France - 1199 01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:21,840 which was the country most committed to the war - 1200 01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,400 of having been corrupted by them. Basically, it was a smokescreen. 1201 01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:29,160 It's a theoretically acceptable argument. 1202 01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:33,320 But if one of the leaders of Gaddafi's regime 1203 01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:34,600 wrote in 2007 1204 01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:36,800 about payments 1205 01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:38,840 related to the presidential election, 1206 01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,880 that completely undermines that story. 1207 01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:43,680 They couldn't have known in 2007 1208 01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:45,760 that there would be a war four years later. 1209 01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:48,480 The Gaddafi gang, 1210 01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:50,840 which is a gang of assassins - 1211 01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:52,800 the father, 1212 01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:54,640 the son, 1213 01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:55,960 the nephew, 1214 01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:57,160 the cousin, 1215 01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:58,560 the spokesman, 1216 01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:01,000 the mistress, the brother-in-law - 1217 01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:03,880 are heaping insults and slander upon me. 1218 01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:07,040 When did it start? The French people need to know. 1219 01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:09,440 On March 10, 2011, 1220 01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:11,520 I received Gaddafi's opponents, the NTC, 1221 01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,440 at the Elysée Palace. 1222 01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:15,160 On March 11th, 1223 01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,040 Mr. Gaddafi stared talking about financing my campaign. 1224 01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:19,440 Never before. 1225 01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:22,560 For four years, he never said a word about it. 1226 01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,640 Nicolas Sarkozy's outraged denials 1227 01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:27,560 got more media coverage 1228 01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:30,320 than Shukri Ghanem's posthumous revelations. 1229 01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:36,640 But Ziad Takieddine would soon make new claims 1230 01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:38,360 about his role in the affair 1231 01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:40,800 that would violently upend 1232 01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,120 the former president's defense strategy. 1233 01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,760 A suitcase like so. 1234 01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,400 It opens this way. 1235 01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,160 And the money's inside. 1236 01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:57,840 One day Mr. Sarkozy asked me if I could 1237 01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:00,920 be the one who 1238 01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:06,240 could transport some of the money to 1239 01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:08,640 Claude Guéant from Interior. 1240 01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:12,200 I started thinking about what I'd cover it with 1241 01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,560 to hide it, if there was space. 1242 01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:16,640 He said: "Don't worry, 1243 01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,640 "the services have been informed, 1244 01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,800 "so you can enter with it and deliver it to Mr. Guéant." 1245 01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,160 What was in the suitcase, exactly? 1246 01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,320 Nothing other than money. 1247 01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:32,800 In the first one there was about 1.5 million. 1248 01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:36,880 Ziad Takieddine explained that he transported, three times, 1249 01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,320 funds to the Interior Ministry 1250 01:08:39,440 --> 01:08:43,840 in November and December 2006 and January 2007. 1251 01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:47,320 They asked me because they trusted me. 1252 01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:49,400 So I took it and delivered it. 1253 01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,800 He incriminated himself by saying: "I, Ziad Takieddine, 1254 01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,760 "I picked up cash in Tripoli 1255 01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,240 "and I took it to the Interior Ministry." 1256 01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:02,400 He spoke of three trips, for a total of five million euros, 1257 01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:06,960 given to him by Abdullah Senussi, him again, 1258 01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:11,320 to take to Paris, to the ministry on Place Beauveau. 1259 01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,760 He was very precise and detailed in his accounts. 1260 01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,120 He recounted the scenes at the airport, 1261 01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:19,320 the bags, 1262 01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:23,280 the handovers - twice to Claude Guéant, 1263 01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:28,320 and once, he affirmed, to Nicolas Sarkozy. 1264 01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,960 Did Mr. Sarkozy know why you were dropping off the suitcase? 1265 01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,160 Did he know what was inside? 1266 01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,720 Frankly, of course! 1267 01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,040 Claude Guéant, who contests the events, 1268 01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:46,960 obtained a conviction for defamation 1269 01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:51,120 against Ziad Takieddine. 1270 01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,320 Nicolas Sarkozy chose to withdraw just before the trial. 1271 01:09:55,440 --> 01:09:57,680 Mediapart was acquitted. 1272 01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:05,800 Ziad Takieddine's revelation came alongside another one, 1273 01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,600 a sort of a posteriori cross-checking: 1274 01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:12,920 the revelation of Abdullah Senussi's deposition 1275 01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:15,280 before the International Criminal Court. 1276 01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:20,520 Abdullah Senussi, the planner of the DC-10 attack, 1277 01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:23,160 was arrested in March 2012 in Mauritania, 1278 01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:26,040 then extradited and imprisoned in Libya. 1279 01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,800 Before the International Criminal Court, 1280 01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,600 he claimed to have personally supervised 1281 01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:34,280 the transfer of five million euros, 1282 01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,240 via Ziad Takieddine and Claude Guéant, 1283 01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:40,680 to finance Nicolas Sarkozy's presidential campaign. 1284 01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:45,040 It's exactly what Ziad Takieddine accused himself of, 1285 01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,080 without knowing that Abdullah Senussi 1286 01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:49,000 said the same thing 1287 01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,240 to the International Criminal Court. 1288 01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:53,560 Once again, is that definitive proof? 1289 01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:55,440 No. 1290 01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:57,840 But it did constitute a compelling body 1291 01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,080 of evidence for the French legal system. 1292 01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:06,520 Confronted with the serious facts established by the investigation, 1293 01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:09,520 Nicolas Sarkozy fought back every inch of the way, 1294 01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:11,640 appealing to public opinion 1295 01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,840 and claiming an offense against his status as former head of state. 1296 01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:19,560 A simple question about what you mentioned last night: 1297 01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:24,280 did you or did you not receive cash from Libya 1298 01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,280 to finance your 2007 campaign 1299 01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:29,040 as Ziad Takieddine claimed, 1300 01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:32,360 not only to the media, but to French magistrates yesterday? 1301 01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:35,240 Such indignity. 1302 01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,320 On a public television station. 1303 01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,680 You talked about it yourself yesterday. 1304 01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:44,840 You're not ashamed to quote a man who's been in prison, 1305 01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:48,560 who's been convicted countless times for defamation, 1306 01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:50,240 and who's a liar. 1307 01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:53,400 That is not how I think of the public service media. 1308 01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:06,280 In the wake of those revelations, 1309 01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:11,320 the investigators starting looking for cash all over the place. 1310 01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:16,840 In all of these major corruption, influence-peddling, 1311 01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,520 and hidden political financing cases, 1312 01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:23,800 one question always comes up, that of the cash. 1313 01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:28,560 Why? Because it's always used for a very understandable reason: 1314 01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:30,760 it leaves no trace. 1315 01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,360 The investigators looked into the movement of cash 1316 01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:36,760 within the UMP and Les Républicains. 1317 01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:38,680 Why so much cash? 1318 01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:43,680 Evidence accumulated about cash in a closet 1319 01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:46,040 at the HQ of Les Républicains. 1320 01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:50,360 It became clear that, at the end of the campaign, 1321 01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:54,760 all of the bonuses and end-of-contract payments 1322 01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:57,360 were paid in cash. 1323 01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,960 According to one legal expert's report, 1324 01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:04,240 it came to the modest sum of 250,000 euros. 1325 01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,840 Which means that at the very end of the presidential campaign, 1326 01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:11,240 the campaign coffers still contained, 1327 01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:13,520 in large denominations, 1328 01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:15,840 250,000 euros in cash. 1329 01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,760 That amount should be taken as evidence 1330 01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,560 of the massive circulation 1331 01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:24,560 of cash during the presidential campaign, 1332 01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:26,800 and an indication of what may have been 1333 01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:28,880 circulating earlier. 1334 01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,200 But where did that money come from? 1335 01:13:32,440 --> 01:13:35,400 Campaign treasurer Eric Woerth claimed the big denominations 1336 01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:38,720 were from anonymous donations sent through the post office. 1337 01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:41,440 Where are the bank documents? 1338 01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:42,680 The transfers? 1339 01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:46,320 There are no documents, no photos, no accounts. 1340 01:13:46,440 --> 01:13:48,360 There's no physical evidence. 1341 01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,600 There's only hatred, 1342 01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:52,160 mud, 1343 01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:55,400 mediocrity, spite, and slander. 1344 01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:04,320 The Hidden Friend 1345 01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:08,880 During the official investigation of the Sarkozy-Gaddafi affair, 1346 01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:12,520 the magistrates discovered that 1347 01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:17,520 Ziad Takieddine had created an offshore company, 1348 01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:21,160 as they're known, 1349 01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,000 that was called Rossfield Limited. 1350 01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:26,840 In February 2006, 1351 01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:30,000 there's a record of a payment 1352 01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:34,560 to an account labelled "Olin". 1353 01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:37,960 O-L-I-N. 1354 01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,880 At the same time, in another legal inquiry, 1355 01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:46,040 police were looking into tax fraud 1356 01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:48,960 by a long-time collaborator and friend of Nicolas Sarkozy, 1357 01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:50,600 Thierry Gaubert. 1358 01:14:51,440 --> 01:14:54,760 In 1988, Nicolas Sarkozy 1359 01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,360 officiated at the marriage of Thierry Gaubert. 1360 01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:00,200 He was a close associate in Neuilly local government, 1361 01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:03,040 and would later become Sarkozy's deputy 1362 01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:04,960 chief of staff at the Budget Ministry. 1363 01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:08,640 Thierry Gaubert, a close friend of Ziad Takieddine, 1364 01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:11,240 was also implicated in the Karachi affair 1365 01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:14,720 and sentenced in 2020 1366 01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:16,800 to four years in prison. 1367 01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:19,320 He has appealed the conviction. 1368 01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:25,000 It was revealed that he held several undeclared accounts abroad, 1369 01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:27,760 in Switzerland and the Bahamas. 1370 01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:30,120 And then I remembered that the village 1371 01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:31,520 in Columbia, 1372 01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:34,240 where, in 2011, Karl and I discovered 1373 01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:38,040 Gaubert's sumptuous property hidden away from the taxman, 1374 01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:41,560 is called Nilo, N-I-L-O. 1375 01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:46,200 Nilo is Olin spelled backwards. 1376 01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:51,520 And then I found a record 1377 01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,880 from February 2006 1378 01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:59,240 of a payment of 440,000 euros 1379 01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:03,280 from a company called Rossfield Limited. 1380 01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,760 I thought, "This is incredible!" 1381 01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:11,640 It was exactly the same amount, the same date, 1382 01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:15,000 and the same name as Ziad Takieddine's company 1383 01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:19,440 that was used to transfer the Libyan money. 1384 01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:21,320 For the first time, 1385 01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:25,160 we had a bank record of a financial flow 1386 01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:28,640 that left the Gaddafi dictatorship 1387 01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,040 and arrived in the account of someone 1388 01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,280 close to Nicolas Sarkozy in France. 1389 01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:35,080 It was unequivocal. 1390 01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:37,320 It went from Senussi to Takieddine 1391 01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:40,000 to Thierry Gaubert's account. 1392 01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:42,040 Thierry Gaubert, 1393 01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:46,760 like many others, wrote little notes in his calendar. 1394 01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:52,040 We noticed that, a day or two before the transfer, 1395 01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:53,880 he'd written "NS campaign". 1396 01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:55,560 For the investigators and magistrates, 1397 01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:57,080 it was like an admission 1398 01:16:57,240 --> 01:16:59,160 that he was also involved 1399 01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:02,200 in Nicolas Sarkozy's presidential campaign. 1400 01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:06,240 Note the following comment: "Ns - campaign" 1401 01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:07,720 Thierry Gaubert claimed he didn't know, 1402 01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:09,080 he forgot, 1403 01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:12,840 campaign could mean anything... 1404 01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:16,440 He tried to duck the question in a ridiculous way, 1405 01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:20,520 since it's hard to claim that "NS campaign" 1406 01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,680 had nothing to do with Nicolas Sarkozy's campaign. 1407 01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:26,280 Gaubert denied involvement in the campaign. 1408 01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:27,560 About the annotation, he said: 1409 01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:29,640 "It's a capital 'N' and lowercase 's', 1410 01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:31,560 not capital 'N' capital 'S', 1411 01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:34,720 "so maybe it's not Nicolas Sarkozy. 1412 01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,720 'Campaign' could mean lots of things." 1413 01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:41,160 So in December 2019, 1414 01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:43,520 we revealed in Mediapart 1415 01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:47,880 the missing link in the Sarkozy-Gaddafi affair: 1416 01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:50,520 the payment of a half-million euros 1417 01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:54,560 from Senussi to Takieddine and all the way to Thierry Gaubert. 1418 01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:00,240 The Gaubert-Senussi transfer in the Libyan affair 1419 01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:02,520 was an event from the legal point of view, 1420 01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:05,200 since Nicolas Sarkozy, when questioned 1421 01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:07,720 in the media a few years earlier, 1422 01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:10,960 had very boastfully asserted 1423 01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,720 that "not a single bank transfer has been uncovered!" 1424 01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:17,240 Where are the bank documents? Where are the transfers? 1425 01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:21,240 It turns out that there was at least one bank transfer, 1426 01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:23,120 for 440,000 euros, 1427 01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:26,320 demonstrating the existence of a financial flow from Libya 1428 01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,280 into French pockets, and not just any pockets, 1429 01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:31,960 but those of Nicolas Sarkozy's hidden friend. 1430 01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,320 "I've had no personal relationship with 1431 01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:38,080 Thierry Gaubert since 1996. 1432 01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:40,840 "What I'm telling you is the absolute truth." 1433 01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:46,040 During searches, investigators found many elements - 1434 01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:50,280 invitations, lunches, gifts, meetings - 1435 01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:52,480 that in their view attested to 1436 01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:54,600 "relational continuity out of proportion" 1437 01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,280 to what was claimed by the former president. 1438 01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:00,880 On March 21, 2018, 1439 01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:03,160 after being held 48 hours for questioning, 1440 01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:06,840 Nicolas Sarkozy was indicted in the Libyan affair, 1441 01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:08,200 on charges of corruption, 1442 01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:10,680 receiving embezzled public funds, 1443 01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:14,000 and illicit financing of an electoral campaign. 1444 01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:16,400 The former head of state 1445 01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:20,200 took the opportunity to denounce a conspiracy by the judiciary. 1446 01:19:20,440 --> 01:19:22,280 It had been his go-to defense strategy 1447 01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,120 for several years already. 1448 01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:28,760 Nicolas Sarkozy breaks his silence 1449 01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:30,760 in an editorial in tomorrow's Le Figaro. 1450 01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:34,560 The former president, responding to investigators' accusations, 1451 01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,160 compares the surveillance of himself 1452 01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:39,600 to Stasi practices in former East Germany. 1453 01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:41,680 The best defense is a good offense. 1454 01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:45,200 Nicolas Sarkozy dips his nib in exceptionally violent ink. 1455 01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:47,520 "Surveillance worthy 1456 01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:49,440 of the East German Stasi and a dictator." 1457 01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:53,080 He presents himself as wounded and angry... 1458 01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:03,280 Honorary Public Prosecutor to the Court of Cassation 1459 01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:05,720 It's a constant among today's politicians, 1460 01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:09,120 and the tactic sometimes pays off. 1461 01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:13,560 It consists of trying to discredit the proceedings 1462 01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:15,880 by questioning 1463 01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,760 the integrity and motives of the prosecuting attorney. 1464 01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:21,600 I've observed it now for 20 years. 1465 01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:23,960 I felt the situation was serious enough 1466 01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:26,200 to tell the French people 1467 01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:28,160 the extent of 1468 01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:32,640 the political instrumentalization of part of the judicial system. 1469 01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:35,520 Things are being organized, 1470 01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:37,960 and the French people need to know, 1471 01:20:38,440 --> 01:20:41,120 and with full freedom of conscience, 1472 01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:42,920 they need to judge for themselves. 1473 01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:45,480 I believe in the honesty and sincerity 1474 01:20:45,480 --> 01:20:47,880 of magistrates 1475 01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:49,440 and public prosecutors. 1476 01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:51,760 I've always believed 1477 01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:54,520 that a good magistrate has to be courageous, 1478 01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:56,760 and that courage is an intrinsic virtue 1479 01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:58,880 required of a magistrate, 1480 01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:00,560 notably a good one. 1481 01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:05,800 Courage allows you to make decisions 1482 01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:07,560 that may not be popular. 1483 01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:11,320 I've sometimes had to make decisions that politicians didn't like. 1484 01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:13,160 You do it anyway. 1485 01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:15,640 I am the victim of relentless attack 1486 01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:18,240 and of a justice system instrumentalized 1487 01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:20,680 to destroy me and keep me out of politics, 1488 01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:22,760 in the same way and at the same time. 1489 01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:24,720 The French are no fools, they can see 1490 01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:27,280 that it's all to weaken Nicolas Sarkozy. 1491 01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:32,040 In order to function, democracy needs - 1492 01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:34,960 whether it makes everyone happy or not - 1493 01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:36,680 it needs a strong legal system, 1494 01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:38,080 one that's independent, 1495 01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:43,040 that upholds the law and the principles of the Republic, 1496 01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:45,040 and that protects people's freedom. 1497 01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:47,160 That's what the law is all about. 1498 01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:51,680 When you embody an institution, particularly at the highest levels, 1499 01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:55,080 that's the state of mind required. 1500 01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:58,280 And myself, as a citizen, 1501 01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:01,280 it's what I expect from the people I elect. 1502 01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:03,200 What country do we live in 1503 01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:05,760 where a former head of state 1504 01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,320 can be subjected for months on end 1505 01:22:08,440 --> 01:22:12,200 to the surveillance of his most personal conversations? 1506 01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:15,760 Attacks on the legal system by certain politicians 1507 01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:20,320 discredit the Republic 1508 01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:23,560 and undermine public confidence in the institution 1509 01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:25,120 and in democracy. 1510 01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:26,680 It's extremely serious. 1511 01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:29,360 It's even more serious coming from a president 1512 01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:31,640 who is charged, under the constitution, 1513 01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:34,240 with guaranteeing the independence of the judiciary. 1514 01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:38,240 So he should be the last person to make such remarks. 1515 01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:40,120 A few years ago, 1516 01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:41,560 the chief appellate judge 1517 01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:43,720 violently took a political stand 1518 01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:45,840 against me. 1519 01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:48,000 Violently and by name. 1520 01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:51,040 Do you consider it normal, Mr. Toussaint, 1521 01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:54,120 for a judge who judges you to be a political opponent? 1522 01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:57,600 On October 16, 2020, 1523 01:22:57,760 --> 01:22:59,680 after four days of hearings, 1524 01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:02,600 Nicolas Sarkozy was indicted a second time 1525 01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:04,960 in the Libyan financing case, 1526 01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:07,040 on a charge that could deprive him 1527 01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:08,960 of his civil rights: criminal conspiracy. 1528 01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:14,760 The new indictment gave rise to the habitual attacks from his camp 1529 01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:16,160 against the legal system. 1530 01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:17,800 I hear he's in custody for questioning 1531 01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:19,320 and think, "Again?" 1532 01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:22,160 I think the case will be dismissed. 1533 01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:23,720 Once again he'll be tarnished, 1534 01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:25,280 but when he's cleared 1535 01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:26,680 he'll get just one line in the press. 1536 01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:29,160 It feels like a republic of judges, 1537 01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:32,040 and the judges want to get Nicolas Sarkozy. 1538 01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,760 As I said yesterday, the national financial crimes office 1539 01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:36,960 is not a prosecutor's office. 1540 01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:39,560 It's a political tool. 1541 01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:41,840 And we need to know who it's working for. 1542 01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:46,200 And less than a month later, 1543 01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:50,600 the judicial conspiracy theory suddenly found favor with the media 1544 01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,320 thanks to a spectacular turn of events. 1545 01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:03,560 "Save Sarko" 1546 01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:08,640 We're going to show you a document. Nicolas Sarkozy's main accuser 1547 01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:10,640 has changed his story. 1548 01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,160 This video was shot in Beirut 1549 01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:15,640 by Paris-Match and BFMTV. 1550 01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:18,280 Have a look. 1551 01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:21,120 Mr. Sarkozy did not receive Libyan funds 1552 01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:23,760 for his presidential campaign, 1553 01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:25,920 and Mr. Gaddafi couldn't have provided 1554 01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:27,960 them because he never did that. 1555 01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:30,600 I say that loud and clear. 1556 01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:34,040 The 32-second video, 1557 01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:36,000 filmed beside the marina in Beirut, 1558 01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:38,040 where Ziad Takieddine fled after 1559 01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:39,920 being sentenced to five years in jail 1560 01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:41,400 in the Karachi affair, 1561 01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:44,840 was broadcast only on BFMTV, 1562 01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:48,040 accompanied by a long article in the weekly Paris-Match. 1563 01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:51,680 Judge Tournaire 1564 01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:54,760 wanted to spin it to his own taste 1565 01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:57,120 and have me say things 1566 01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:02,120 totally contrary to what I've always said. 1567 01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:04,200 There was no financing 1568 01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:06,120 of Mr. Sarkozy's presidential campaign. 1569 01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:08,040 Ever. 1570 01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:13,080 There you have Takieddine's clear statement... 1571 01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:16,040 Contradicting all of his past statements, 1572 01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:19,440 Ziad Takieddine exonerated Nicolas Sarkozy 1573 01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:21,440 and accused the legal system of manipulating him. 1574 01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:25,560 The BFMTV scoop, 1575 01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:29,240 coming less than a month after Sarkozy's second indictment, 1576 01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:32,040 gave him a miraculous opportunity 1577 01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:34,640 for a new media counter-offensive, 1578 01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:38,200 that started...on BFMTV. 1579 01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:42,360 If there was an investigation of a former head of state 1580 01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:45,600 based only on Mr. Takieddine's statements... 1581 01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:47,760 - Should there be one of Judge Tournaire? 1582 01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:49,760 - That's not for me to decide. 1583 01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:53,520 But neither the media nor the legal system can accept 1584 01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:55,600 that when Takieddine denounces Sarkozy, 1585 01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:57,520 you have to investigate, 1586 01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:00,400 but when Takieddine denounces a judge, 1587 01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:03,760 another judge can say, 24 hours later, 1588 01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:06,560 there's nothing to see, move along, leave it alone. 1589 01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:07,720 No, Ma'am. 1590 01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:12,760 It wasn't enough for Ziad Takieddine to retract his statement, 1591 01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:16,440 he also had to accuse the magistrates. 1592 01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:19,320 It's a bit obvious, but it went down well 1593 01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:21,800 with Les Républicains, 1594 01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:25,960 and his whole camp was galvanized by the retraction. 1595 01:26:26,440 --> 01:26:27,960 Have magistrates 1596 01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:31,280 been blinded by a desire for vengeance? 1597 01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:33,800 Or even a certain form of hatred? 1598 01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:37,320 When Mr. Takieddine made an accusation 1599 01:26:37,440 --> 01:26:39,080 against a former head of state, 1600 01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:42,800 an investigation was opened immediately. 1601 01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:46,200 When the same individual, in the same case, 1602 01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:48,680 made an accusation against a magistrate, 1603 01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:50,040 the response from 1604 01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:51,280 the financial prosecutor's office is: 1605 01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:54,000 "Move along! Nothing to see here." 1606 01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:56,120 Of course, at Mediapart, 1607 01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:59,080 Karl Laske and I were scratching our heads, 1608 01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:01,640 wondering what was behind this event. 1609 01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:04,200 So we started checking. 1610 01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:07,640 What's going on with him in Beirut? 1611 01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:08,960 What is he living on? 1612 01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:11,080 We called all around Beirut to find out 1613 01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:13,080 how his life was turning out, 1614 01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:15,000 what his friends and family were saying. 1615 01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:17,840 We quickly discovered that he was in dire straits. 1616 01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:19,520 He was ruined, 1617 01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:21,760 no home of his own, 1618 01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:25,280 with creditors and lawyers harassing him, 1619 01:27:25,440 --> 01:27:27,200 demanding money. 1620 01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:28,840 His back was against the wall. 1621 01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:32,120 On that basis, 1622 01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:35,200 we took our curiosity one step further 1623 01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:41,000 and tried to find out how his retraction happened. 1624 01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:42,880 Who went to Beirut, and so on. 1625 01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:45,480 And indeed we learned 1626 01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:48,480 that a Paris-Match journalist went to 1627 01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:50,880 Beirut, but that he wasn't alone. 1628 01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:54,960 In fact, behind Ziad Takieddine's retraction 1629 01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:59,160 there was a whole cast of colorful characters, 1630 01:27:59,920 --> 01:28:02,760 foremost among them a businesswoman 1631 01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:05,600 who's also known as 1632 01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,320 the big cheese of the celebrity press: 1633 01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:12,000 Michèle Marchand, nicknamed Mimi Marchand. 1634 01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:15,200 She has close ties throughout French politics. 1635 01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:18,160 She's close with the Macrons, 1636 01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:20,560 but also with the Sarkozys, 1637 01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:22,840 Nicolas Sarkozy and his wife Carla Bruni, 1638 01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:25,600 whom she'd known as a singer and model 1639 01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:28,240 for several decades. 1640 01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:32,240 I'm just a free electron 1641 01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,920 who gets asked from time to time 1642 01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:39,520 "What do you think?" But nothing else! 1643 01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:41,200 It's Mimi Marchand 1644 01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:46,880 who is suspected of heading up a rather baroque venture 1645 01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:50,000 to convince Ziad Takieddine 1646 01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:53,360 to change his testimony in the Libyan affair 1647 01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:57,360 in an attempt to clear Nicolas Sarkozy. 1648 01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:00,520 One thing led to another and we gathered 1649 01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:03,560 that money had been put on the table, 1650 01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:05,600 that he was promised 1651 01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:07,160 the significant sum of 4 million euros, 1652 01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:11,480 and we published two articles 1653 01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:16,080 that contributed to the opening of a new investigation 1654 01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:19,600 into witness tampering in the case. 1655 01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:21,680 If this were a TV series, 1656 01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:23,720 and I love a good series, 1657 01:29:24,480 --> 01:29:26,960 I'd say the script is implausible. 1658 01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:29,240 Unfortunately, it doesn't make me laugh, 1659 01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:30,520 because it's serious. 1660 01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:32,280 Not just for me, 1661 01:29:32,440 --> 01:29:34,160 not just for my family, 1662 01:29:34,440 --> 01:29:36,880 not just for those who believed in me, 1663 01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:39,160 but for France, 1664 01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:40,840 which is giving the impression 1665 01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:44,760 that it's former head of state could be corrupt. 1666 01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:46,520 It's ignominious. 1667 01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:49,960 Professor of economics at Sciences Po Paris 1668 01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:51,280 Author of Save the Media 1669 01:29:51,440 --> 01:29:54,040 To organize Takieddine's retraction, 1670 01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:58,520 you have to organize all the media coverage around it. 1671 01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:01,320 I won't go into the details, 1672 01:30:01,480 --> 01:30:04,400 but it's not just: "Let's put it on the front page." 1673 01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:05,840 You make it a saga. 1674 01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:08,000 You get the right guests, the right forums. 1675 01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:10,160 A lot of work goes into it. 1676 01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:13,160 Behind all that was Mimi Marchand, 1677 01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:16,800 a high-powered press attaché 1678 01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:19,920 who does her job very well, from that point of view. 1679 01:30:20,440 --> 01:30:21,960 Good evening, Hervé Gattegno. 1680 01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:24,760 You're the managing editor of Paris-Match, 1681 01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:28,200 which published Ziad Takieddine's change of position... 1682 01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:31,320 Asked about the background of the retraction, 1683 01:30:31,480 --> 01:30:35,760 the managing editor of Paris-Match was not very forthcoming. 1684 01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:39,600 Was he the one who contacted you 1685 01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:42,440 because he wanted to make the new statement? 1686 01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:44,800 Or did you seek him out 1687 01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:47,240 and convince him to talk to you? 1688 01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:49,400 Neither one, as is often the case. 1689 01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:53,880 I won't tell you all the secrets of the "making-of" the interview. 1690 01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:56,800 If I did, it would burst the professional bubble, 1691 01:30:57,400 --> 01:30:59,520 and sources need to be respected. 1692 01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:01,000 But it was neither. 1693 01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:04,960 We met him, he talked. As you know, Ziad Takieddine 1694 01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:06,560 doesn't need much encouragement. 1695 01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:09,680 It's clear in this Libyan affair 1696 01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:13,440 that the main investigator was Mediapart. 1697 01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:16,600 Beyond them, unless I'm mistaken, 1698 01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:18,320 there was no cover of Le Point, 1699 01:31:18,480 --> 01:31:19,880 or L'Express, 1700 01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:22,160 or the Nouvel Observateur. 1701 01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:27,360 It did not lead to massive coverage. 1702 01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:29,360 The question is why? 1703 01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:31,400 There are two possible factors, 1704 01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:34,680 probably both at work. 1705 01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:37,880 First, in the competitive media market, 1706 01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:40,400 a new actor, Mediapart, 1707 01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:43,280 had done very well in a short period of time, 1708 01:31:43,440 --> 01:31:45,440 making some of the competition jealous. 1709 01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:47,880 So some of those competitors 1710 01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:50,200 maybe didn't want to "help them out", 1711 01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:53,920 and didn't cover it much since it wasn't their scoop. 1712 01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:55,760 That's a first element. 1713 01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:58,000 And it's doesn't contradict the second. 1714 01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:01,720 Which is that, in the media sector, 1715 01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:04,840 there's a very influential actor, the Groupe Lagardère, 1716 01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:08,160 and one member of its board of directors 1717 01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:10,240 was Nicolas Sarkozy. 1718 01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:14,880 When you have a former president sitting on a board 1719 01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:16,720 of a group that owns media outlets, 1720 01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:22,200 and a shareholder of those media 1721 01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:26,400 knows how to intervene and does so regularly, 1722 01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:29,280 it's not surprising that the story wasn't 1723 01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:32,000 making headlines in JDD or Paris-Match. 1724 01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:33,280 Except 1725 01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:38,240 to announce the retraction of a certain witness. 1726 01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:42,560 The legal investigation obviously went much further than we could, 1727 01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:45,440 and was able to bring together 1728 01:32:45,440 --> 01:32:48,160 the exchanges of all of the protagonists, 1729 01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:50,360 which clearly proved 1730 01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:54,960 that the four million were promised in writing to Takieddine, 1731 01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:58,640 and that Takieddine talked for that reason. 1732 01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:01,800 By investigating Michèle Marchand, 1733 01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:06,280 we learned she was in contact with Carla Bruni, 1734 01:33:06,440 --> 01:33:08,360 Nicolas Sarkozy's wife, 1735 01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:10,560 and that the three discussed the subject. 1736 01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:14,560 Nicolas Sarkozy was informed before it was published, 1737 01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:17,880 before the operation went online. 1738 01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:20,840 That makes him a potential accomplice, 1739 01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:23,320 if not the manager of the whole operation. 1740 01:33:26,440 --> 01:33:28,520 The "Save Sarko" operation 1741 01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:32,040 was investigated by the Paris courts, 1742 01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:34,920 separately from the Libyan financing investigation. 1743 01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:40,520 The entente that had prevailed among the main protagonists of the staging 1744 01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:42,480 turned to fisticuffs. 1745 01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:43,880 Hervé Gattegno, 1746 01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:46,800 who denies committing any criminal offense, 1747 01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:49,200 was not a subject of the investigation. 1748 01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:51,800 Wiretap of Michèle Marchand 1749 01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:53,880 "The deus ex machina was Hervé Gattegno. 1750 01:33:54,040 --> 01:33:55,600 "He planned it, not me. 1751 01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:58,120 "I just carried it out." 1752 01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:02,880 Wiretap between Arnaud Lagardère and Hervé Gattegno 1753 01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:04,120 Gattegno: 1754 01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:05,200 "In one fell swoop we gave it to him, 1755 01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:07,320 "how could he resist? 1756 01:34:07,480 --> 01:34:09,640 "And you know Sarko, he wants to meddle 1757 01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:11,840 in everything, he wants to run it." 1758 01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:14,520 Nicolas Sarkozy Hearing October 10, 2023 1759 01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:16,680 "You could say (Michèle Marchand) tricked me. 1760 01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:19,480 "If I'd known what she was up to, 1761 01:34:19,480 --> 01:34:22,120 my attitude would have been different." 1762 01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:25,840 Michèle Marchand Hearing November 10, 2023 1763 01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:27,760 "It's not right to say that. 1764 01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:29,440 "It's not right or gracious. 1765 01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:31,120 "But it doesn't matter. 1766 01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:35,000 "We know what the person who said it is like." 1767 01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:38,000 The Ziad Takieddine retraction affair 1768 01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:40,120 became the false retraction affair, 1769 01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:43,000 and it led to the indictment 1770 01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:46,040 of Michèle Marchand and her presumed accomplices, 1771 01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:48,840 and also of Nicolas Sarkozy, 1772 01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:52,160 who was indicted for criminal conspiracy 1773 01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:55,400 to commit a very specific fraud, 1774 01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:57,760 which is called a "judgement fraud". 1775 01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:01,800 It's an attempt to manipulate the legal system 1776 01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:04,440 in order to be exonerated 1777 01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:06,720 when you're implicated in a crime. 1778 01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:08,840 The investigation 1779 01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:14,120 also shed light on the close ties between Nicolas Sarkozy's team, 1780 01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:17,800 the management of BFMTV, and certain journalists 1781 01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:21,960 who promoted Ziad Takieddine's false retraction. 1782 01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:26,320 Text exchange, November 11, 2020 1783 01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:28,680 Sarkozy's communications officer and BFMTV 1784 01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:30,800 Waché: N.S. could go on with Ruth. 1785 01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:33,440 It hits hard. N.S.'s reaction on Facebook. 1786 01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:35,400 Fogiel: Great! You'll let me know? 1787 01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:36,880 Waché: Yes, we're on it. 1788 01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:39,520 What broadcast slot looks best to you? 1789 01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:41,760 Fogiel: If he talks to Ruth, we'll do several. 1790 01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:44,160 So the first broadcast doesn't matter much, 1791 01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:46,080 but it could be 7pm [...] 1792 01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:49,000 What would your schedule be? 1793 01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:50,120 Text exchange, November 13, 2020 1794 01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:51,120 Sarkozy's communications officer and BFMTV 1795 01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:54,480 Elkrief: Are you getting good feedback? 1796 01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:56,600 Waché: Excellent!!! Thank you, dear Ruth! 1797 01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:58,600 Decisive broadcast for us. 1798 01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:01,640 Elkrief: I hope so, from the bottom of my heart. 1799 01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:04,560 Text exchange November 14, 2020 1800 01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:05,560 Sarkozy's communications officer and BFMTV 1801 01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:06,960 Fogiel: Good feedback? 1802 01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:08,880 Waché: Fabulous! 1803 01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:10,880 Fogiel: Great! 1804 01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:12,600 Waché: Actually, anytime 1805 01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:15,760 you have to deal with the Libyan affair, 1806 01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:18,760 you can quote from it. 1807 01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:23,320 The links between Nicolas Sarkozy and Arnaud Lagardère 1808 01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:28,760 are far from secret 1809 01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:31,360 because they're not discreet at all. 1810 01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:34,800 That's what's interesting. It could be a situation 1811 01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:37,560 with a politician 1812 01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:39,360 pulling the strings in the background, 1813 01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:41,000 trying to influence things, 1814 01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:42,960 but doing it discreetly. 1815 01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:45,760 But he didn't even see the problem. 1816 01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:48,720 When Lagardère asked Nicolas Sarkozy 1817 01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:50,840 to sit on his board, 1818 01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:53,400 nobody saw a problem. 1819 01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:55,120 It's a big problem. 1820 01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:57,520 You know exactly what you're doing. 1821 01:36:57,680 --> 01:37:01,200 And Nicolas Sarkozy knew very well why he accepted. 1822 01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:04,680 There are strong links - too strong - 1823 01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:06,640 between the political sphere 1824 01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:08,600 and the media sphere. 1825 01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:10,160 They need to be questioned 1826 01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:13,840 about the conditions they create 1827 01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:17,720 in terms of corruption, favors, 1828 01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:20,240 and unpublished information. 1829 01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:22,880 And we also need to ask ourselves 1830 01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:25,200 why we're not more shocked than we are. 1831 01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:27,520 Collectively. 1832 01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:29,480 July 11, 2024 1833 01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:31,640 For the station manager: 1834 01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:34,760 "Move along. Nothing to see here." 1835 01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:36,840 "As always, the station 1836 01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:38,840 "worked with complete independence 1837 01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:40,720 and was journalistically irreproachable." 1838 01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:45,120 What's interesting in the case of Ziad Takieddine's false retraction 1839 01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:48,440 is that Nicolas Sarkozy, as in the Libyan affair, 1840 01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:51,280 dropped his former partners. 1841 01:37:51,440 --> 01:37:55,120 As he did in the Bismuth case, in which he was convicted 1842 01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:58,560 and dropped his lawyer, Thierry Herzog; 1843 01:37:58,720 --> 01:38:01,080 as in the Bygmalion case, in which he was convicted 1844 01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:03,400 and dropped his campaign team; 1845 01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:06,160 as in the Libyan financing affair 1846 01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:09,200 in which he dropped Brice Hortefeux and Claude Guéant, 1847 01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:12,360 so he dropped Mimi Marchand, who was a family friend, 1848 01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:15,080 in particular of his wife Carla Bruni. 1849 01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:17,360 So from case to case, 1850 01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:20,160 we find ourselves with a head of state 1851 01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:23,760 who sometimes seems to behave like a godfather. 1852 01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:26,960 Like the godfather of a political mafia who, 1853 01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:30,760 as the judicial flames close in on him, 1854 01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:34,240 is prepared to cut every tie that binds him 1855 01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:37,200 to his lieutenants, to those who've been implicated. 1856 01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:38,720 I told the judges: 1857 01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:41,600 "Search for a century if you want, 1858 01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:43,200 "you won't find anything." 1859 01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:44,520 They looked everywhere. 1860 01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:46,240 And why won't they find anything? 1861 01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:49,640 Because there's nothing to find. 1862 01:38:51,440 --> 01:38:52,320 For 14 years, 1863 01:38:52,480 --> 01:38:54,800 Nicolas Sarkozy and his cabinet categorically refused 1864 01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:57,880 to answer questions from Mediapart about the affair. 1865 01:38:58,040 --> 01:38:59,880 Questioned by the magistrates, 1866 01:38:59,880 --> 01:39:01,720 Nicolas Sarkozy justified that refusal: 1867 01:39:01,880 --> 01:39:05,000 "I never respond to Mediapart because they're not journalists. 1868 01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:08,040 "They're political hacks, 1869 01:39:08,200 --> 01:39:10,680 "waging a political war." 1870 01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:14,040 We've been sued 1871 01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:16,120 by Nicolas Sarkozy, Brice Hortefeux, 1872 01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:18,320 Claude Guéant, Ziad Takieddine, 1873 01:39:18,480 --> 01:39:21,040 and by journalists close to Nicolas Sarkozy. 1874 01:39:21,200 --> 01:39:24,880 We won resoundingly in every case. 1875 01:39:25,120 --> 01:39:29,160 We were never convicted of forgery, use of forgeries, defamation, 1876 01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:31,480 or infringement on the presumption of innocence. 1877 01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:33,600 We'll see if the facts we uncovered, 1878 01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:37,320 and those uncovered by the police and investigating magistrates, 1879 01:39:37,480 --> 01:39:40,040 will meet a definition in the penal code 1880 01:39:40,200 --> 01:39:42,880 that will authorize a court to convict - or not - 1881 01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:45,800 Nicolas Sarkozy, Brice Hortefeux, Claude Guéant, 1882 01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:48,840 Alexandre Djouhri, Ziad Takieddine, Eric Woerth, and the others. 1883 01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:51,840 There are currently 13 defendants 1884 01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:54,960 in the Sarkozy-Gaddafi proceedings. 1885 01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:56,840 Whatever the outcome, 1886 01:39:57,000 --> 01:40:00,760 Mediapart will not change a single comma 1887 01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:03,040 from the articles it devoted to this story 1888 01:40:03,200 --> 01:40:05,280 because we have only done our job, 1889 01:40:05,440 --> 01:40:08,120 which is to publish verified facts 1890 01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:10,000 that are of public interest. 1891 01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:15,960 The case known as the presumed Libyan financing affair 1892 01:40:16,120 --> 01:40:18,440 went to trail on January 6, 2025. 1893 01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:20,640 Messrs. Alexandre Djouhri, Thierry Gaubert, 1894 01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:22,160 Claude Guéant, Brice Hortefeux, 1895 01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:25,520 Bashir Saleh, Nicolas Sarkozy, Ziad Takieddine, and Eric Woerth, 1896 01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:27,120 along with five others, have been referred 1897 01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:28,600 to the Paris Court of Justice 1898 01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:31,840 to stand trial. They are presumed innocent. 1899 01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:39,640 The chances of factual truth surviving the onslaught of power 1900 01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:41,680 are very slim indeed; 1901 01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:47,200 it is always in danger of being maneuvered out of the world 1902 01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:49,840 not only for a time but, potentially, forever. 1903 01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:04,320 Subtitles: Jennifer Gay 140212

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