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It's impossible to overstate
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the sense of fascination with
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jfk Jr.
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He was absolutely unique.
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He was the son of a slain
president.
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And he grew up into being an
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incredibly good-looking,
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handsome, attractive young man.
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And Carolyn bessette, with her
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kind of mysterious, elegant,
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glamorous quality, was
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absolutely emblematic of that
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1990s cool.
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But she's not famous.
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When John F. Kennedy Jr. ended
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up in this relationship with
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Carolyn bessette, it was natural
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people were fascinated.
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I think "love story" is about
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the lives that Carolyn bessette
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and John F. Kennedy Jr. led
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before they met each other.
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Their meeting and their budding
romance.
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Their relationship with the
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public, paparazzi, tabloid
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culture and how that brings them
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together.
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They represent American
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glamor.
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Carolyn was more beautiful in
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person than she was in
photographs.
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She had a magic.
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Her.
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It was everything from the way
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she moved to the way she engaged
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to the way, when you talked to
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her, she owned you.
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She was just so much fun.
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She was very playful, very
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impulsive, very affectionate.
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There was a lot of touching, you
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know.
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It took me awhile to get used to
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all the hugging and
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hand-holding.
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You know, I was thinking the
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other day... that trip we took
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to Honduras...
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I think the biggest thing for
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me initially was getting to
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illustrate the woman that she
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was, especially the driven,
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intelligent woman that she was
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and the life that she had before
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she met John and entered into
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this whirlwind.
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John grew up with the media.
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He was born to it.
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Second nature for him.
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But for her, it wasn't.
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She had a really difficult time
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adjusting to the meanness, the
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viciousness of the media
attention.
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That became a real source of
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tension in the relationship.
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Well, I think a lot of people
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who are that beautiful get
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judged for being something just
because they're so
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spectacular-looking.
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I think they kind of thought of
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her the same way people thought
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of grace Kelly in the 1950s,
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that she was sort of an ice
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Princess or this forbidding, you
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know, goddess type.
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And she Kent have been further
from that.
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In 1966, Carolyn bessette is
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born in white plains, which is a
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suburb north of Manhattan.
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She was the youngest of three
girls.
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Her mother was a schoolteacher.
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After her parents divorced, she
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moved to greenwich, Connecticut,
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where her mother had remarried
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an orthopedic surgeon.
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She goes to a catholic high
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school called St. Mary's where
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she is a very popular young
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At her graduation from high
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school, she is named as the
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ultimate beautiful person in the
yearbook.
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She's seen as something of an it
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girl and a popular girl in the
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community.
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She went to Boston
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university, where she studied
education.
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And I think for a while, she
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wanted to be a teacher.
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As evidence of her popularity
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at Boston university, Carolyn
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bessette dates Alessandro
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benetton, the son of the
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benetton fashion empire, which
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was very, very popular in the
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'80s and '90s.
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This is a charismatic young
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woman that people want to be
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around, and she's finding that
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she is drawing a larger and
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larger crowd of people from, you
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know, definite wealth and
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prominence, and she enjoys it.
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I think that Caroline had
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always fantasized about being
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married to John.
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And she made that fantasy come
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true.
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John loved making waves.
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And he loved being irreverent.
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He was the world's most eligible
bachelor.
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And John showed up for an event,
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it got a lot of attention.
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John F. Kennedy Jr. never
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He was never anonymous.
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In many ways, he became sort
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of america's little prince when
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People referred to him as, you
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know, the prince of Camelot.
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You've got jfk, and he's
glamorous.
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You have his imposteriorly
glamorous wife.
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I mean, they literally were
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something out of a movie set.
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You couldn't... it looks as if
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this was... that he's Cary Grant
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and she's Audrey hepburn.
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So John is born in between
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the time his father wins the
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election and when he takes
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office in January.
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News of John's birth spread all
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around the world.
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He was on the front page of
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every major newspaper.
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And that's the world he grew up
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The only home he knew up until
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1963 was the white house.
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I was young, you know, but he
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had this desk in the oval office
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which belonged to a sea captain.
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And I just remember the inside,
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and there were kind of cabinet
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spaces in it.
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Just hanging out there.
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He used to give US chewing gum,
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because our mother didn't like
to US chew gum.
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He'd go to the oval office at
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night, and he'd feed US gum
under the desk.
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Again, it may be real, it may
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But I sort of remember that.
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John was always rambunctious.
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It used to drive the secret
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service agents nuts are running
around, wanting to play.
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Forts, playing guns, airplanes.
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John was full of thisser why gy.
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You wanted to be an Australia?
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Helicopter pilot, astronaut.
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Something in the air.
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Growing up, there always were
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helicopters landing on the front
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lawn of the white house.
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And usually one parent or
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another would emerge from them.
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So I kind of got this thing
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about helicopters.
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John... John is caught
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between the conflicting
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ambitions of his parents.
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On the one hand, his father
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loves him dearly but also wants
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to put him on display as much as
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Whereas John's mom, Jackie, was
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much more reserved.
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When she planted these, like,
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30-foot-high bushes so that
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people couldn't see John playing
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in the south lawn.
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And the president saw them, "get
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them out of there, take them
out."
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There was this tug-of-war going
on around John.
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Mrs. Kennedy regretted, later in
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life, naming hip John F. Kennedy
Jr.
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And the problem that she
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inadvertently created was that
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the more you emboldened the
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myth, the more focus there's
examining to be on John as the
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heir of that myth.
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The president of the united
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states, John Fitzgerald Kennedy,
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is dead.
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The president is dead.
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It's not something that I
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spend, really, honestly, much
time thinking about.
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You know, I understand that that
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was obviously a very
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historically significant event.
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He was a president.
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And there are historians,
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filmmakers, et cetera, studying
that.
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Whatever they decide, whatever
they find, is not going to
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change the one fundamental fact
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in my life, which is that it
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won't bring him back.
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And so I don't really dwell on
it all that often.
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I leave that to others.
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When they're watching the
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coffin go by, Jackie says to
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John, "this is a chance to say
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good-bye to your dad."
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He takes a couple of steps
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forward.
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He salutes his father's grave.
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Which is an image that, for
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those of US of that generation,
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is one of the defining images of
our lives.
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That moment, he became the heir
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of Camelot.
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So that's the burden that John
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grew up with his whole life.
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Well, it's not really a burden.
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It's not something that I wake
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up to while I'm shaving and
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think, alas, the burden.
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But it is... in most instances
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it's really a very positive
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One of the things he said to
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me, he said, I'm really two
people.
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I'm John.
But I have a role to play, and
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that role is John Fitzgerald
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Kennedy Jr., the son of a slain
president.
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And I think that helps you to
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understand the world that he
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grew up in.
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And also how successful he was
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in coping with it.
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I mean, the amount of pressure
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he was under from the moment...
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Almost from the moment he was
conceived.
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You know, would have crushed
most people.
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But it not only did not crush
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him, it made him stronger.
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There was a fascination with him.
There's a story.
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He's on the rise, he's in his
20s.
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He's about to become a man in
full.
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Yeah, I mean, he was a hunk.
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I mean, come on, let be honest.
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He was a hunk.
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And then his girlfriends.
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♪
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♪
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For John, his greatest
achievement wasn't public, it
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was private.
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A guy who seems to have had
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everything given to him.
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But who struggled his whole life
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with his own identity.
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And in an effort to try to find
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who he was, separate from the
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Kennedy family, separate from
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public expectations of who he
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was going to be.
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So he goes to nyu, where he
studies law.
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And I think he would be the
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first to say he perhaps didn't
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have the greatest legal mind.
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But he was serious and wanted to
have that law degree.
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It was important for whatever he
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would do next.
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And then he ends up at the
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Manhattan da's office.
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And his face in the New York
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bar becomes an obsession among
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the tabloid newspapers of new
York.
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I know because I worked at one
at the time.
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And he famously flunks the exam,
not once but twice.
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When I failed the bar exam,
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it was... the "New York post"
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had the headline "the hunk
flunks."
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Some of that I could actually do
without.
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My recollection is that you
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fail a third time, you lose the
job.
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But it seemed like the third
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time was a charm.
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Certainly was for John.
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Did you pass the bar?
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Apparently it's true.
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I got the official word not long
ago.
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Columnist for the "New York
daily news" in the '90s.
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My gossip column was called "hot
copy."
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Because of that gossip column, I
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was privy obviously to a lot of
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stuff John was going through
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with his dating.
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John had a lot of
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girlfriends, pretty much
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starting from early on.
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John and I met... I guess it
was '89.
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I was with a friend in west palm
beach.
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And we all ended up at this
random place and daysed until
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4:00 in the morning.
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I just loved that he was kind of
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silly, quirky, forget full, fun,
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adventurous.
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Like a normal, humble, great
guy.
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John and I met when I was 15,
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and I had known him for ten
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years before we got involved.
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So, we knew each other pretty
well.
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He made you feel alive.
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And I remember how often we just
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laughed so much.
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Curious intellectually.
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Physically, he wanted to try new
things.
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He wanted to push the boundaries
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of who he was.
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He wanted you not to think of
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yourself in this little box, but
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all the things that the world
could offer.
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All the things that you could
do.
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And that's a true friend.
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We know about him dating
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Sarah Jessica Parker, Julie
baker Mark Donna.
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Those are the ones we knew
about.
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When you're as good-looking as
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John Kennedy, there are another
hundred girls we don't know
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about.
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He dates much more seriously
and for a longer period of time
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Daryl Hannah, who made a splash
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in the movie "splash."
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I definitely think they were
in love.
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She was really lovely.
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Sweet, fun, funny, loved John.
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When they broke up, I was... to
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be honest with you, I was
surprised.
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I was like, why?
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They just said, it's not
working.
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The women who John is
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attracted to are, first of all, stunning.
They're beautiful.
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But they're also smart.
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And they're engaging.
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And they're curious.
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And I think he saw all those
qualities in Carolyn.
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Carolyn and I met in '87.
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We were really good friends.
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A lot of the mornings, we'd get
almond croissants.
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She'd take the almonds off.
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"Okay, you can have it."
357
00:14:04,594 --> 00:14:05,594
What?
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There were all kinds of
restaurants we would go to.
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And of course we would have
martinis.
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00:14:14,312 --> 00:14:19,567
But my favorite thing is Carolyn
curled up on my bed with a big,
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00:14:19,650 --> 00:14:23,696
huge sweater, sitting and being
happy.
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00:14:24,238 --> 00:14:26,657
That would be my favorite thing.
363
00:14:26,741 --> 00:14:29,702
I was very taken by, you
know, something we explore in
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the show, which is just how
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radically her life was changed
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00:14:33,790 --> 00:14:35,083
by this romance.
367
00:14:35,416 --> 00:14:38,669
And I love in the pilot episode
368
00:14:39,337 --> 00:14:42,215
getting that snapshot of her
life.
369
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New York in the early '90s.
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The sort of freedom and the fun.
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00:14:47,386 --> 00:14:50,765
And a time I think also of great
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ambition and ascent for her of
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00:14:53,101 --> 00:14:55,269
like, I'm going places, i'm
doing things.
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00:14:55,812 --> 00:15:00,566
She had an entire full life
and career, and one that was
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00:15:00,650 --> 00:15:01,901
really blossoming.
376
00:15:02,151 --> 00:15:04,362
She climbed the ranks of Calvin
klein so quickly.
377
00:15:05,488 --> 00:15:08,533
She got along with all the
clients, which was her job.
378
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I think Calvin adored her.
379
00:15:12,328 --> 00:15:16,457
I remember walking into a
Calvin klein fashion show in the
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'90s and seeing Carolyn bessette
across the runway for the first
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time.
382
00:15:21,337 --> 00:15:22,672
And thinking, that's one of the
383
00:15:22,755 --> 00:15:26,217
prettiest girls I've ever seen
in my entire life.
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I had no idea who she was.
385
00:15:28,636 --> 00:15:31,973
In the series, Carolyn was
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working at Calvin klein, and she
387
00:15:35,059 --> 00:15:36,477
managed to get herself into that
388
00:15:36,561 --> 00:15:37,395
fashion fund-raiser.
389
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You know, she was living a life
390
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of, you know, going out at
391
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night, hanging with her friends,
392
00:15:41,566 --> 00:15:43,276
showing up in the showroom.
393
00:15:43,359 --> 00:15:45,236
She was dressing all the
celebrities.
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She was about to be elevated to
publicity.
395
00:15:49,198 --> 00:15:51,325
And Calvin introduced her to jfk
Jr.
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00:15:51,409 --> 00:15:52,660
And he then did show up looking
397
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for her.
398
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Showed up to get fitted for a
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suit, asking for her
400
00:15:55,830 --> 00:15:57,832
specifically.
401
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She was coming to buy a few
suits.
402
00:16:00,668 --> 00:16:01,836
And Calvin decided that they
403
00:16:01,919 --> 00:16:04,589
would get the most effervescent
404
00:16:04,672 --> 00:16:07,008
person to show him the clothes,
405
00:16:07,091 --> 00:16:08,861
even though she usually showed
the women's line.
406
00:16:08,885 --> 00:16:12,513
Everybody knows who he is.
407
00:16:12,597 --> 00:16:13,764
And he's accepting and
408
00:16:13,848 --> 00:16:16,601
acknowledging that but still
409
00:16:16,684 --> 00:16:17,852
very determined to get to the
410
00:16:17,935 --> 00:16:19,478
back, where's Carolyn bessette,
411
00:16:19,562 --> 00:16:21,272
I'm here to do one thing.
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00:16:21,355 --> 00:16:23,024
You know, here's a man who has
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00:16:23,107 --> 00:16:24,942
countless suits, doesn't need
anything.
414
00:16:25,026 --> 00:16:26,819
But that's his excuse to just
415
00:16:26,903 --> 00:16:27,612
get close.
416
00:16:27,695 --> 00:16:29,864
Of course, he left with a crush.
417
00:16:29,947 --> 00:16:33,034
And her phone number.
418
00:16:33,117 --> 00:16:34,952
Oh, he definitely chased her.
419
00:16:35,036 --> 00:16:37,205
Early on, he would be
frustrated.
420
00:16:37,288 --> 00:16:39,373
I mean, he would say, "I called
421
00:16:39,457 --> 00:16:41,125
her, and she hasn't called me
back."
422
00:16:41,209 --> 00:16:42,501
John wasn't used to having
423
00:16:42,585 --> 00:16:44,045
people say no to him.
424
00:16:44,128 --> 00:16:46,047
I think it made him want her
even more.
425
00:16:46,130 --> 00:16:47,548
And find her even more
426
00:16:47,632 --> 00:16:48,692
attractive, that she was strong
427
00:16:48,716 --> 00:16:52,970
enough and independent enough to
say no to him.
428
00:16:53,054 --> 00:16:54,722
They came for the weekend,
429
00:16:54,805 --> 00:16:56,057
and I think he had told US he
430
00:16:56,140 --> 00:16:57,683
was coming for the weekend, he
431
00:16:57,767 --> 00:16:59,977
was bringing a friend.
Okay.
432
00:17:00,061 --> 00:17:02,563
In the morning she walked out,
433
00:17:02,647 --> 00:17:05,983
and she's quite striking.
You know.
434
00:17:06,067 --> 00:17:07,193
Blond and ten stories high.
435
00:17:07,276 --> 00:17:11,697
And I thought, oh, this is not a
friend.
436
00:17:11,781 --> 00:17:14,909
Carolyn was very independent.
She was a strong woman.
437
00:17:14,992 --> 00:17:18,371
And I think he loved that.
438
00:17:18,454 --> 00:17:20,665
She could be his friend.
439
00:17:20,748 --> 00:17:22,500
She could listen to his secrets
440
00:17:22,583 --> 00:17:23,751
and not judge him.
441
00:17:23,834 --> 00:17:26,837
And I think that that was rare
442
00:17:26,921 --> 00:17:30,049
for John, to be that comfortable
doing that with someone.
443
00:17:30,132 --> 00:17:31,342
Look at the birdie.
444
00:17:31,425 --> 00:17:33,511
When he settled down with
445
00:17:33,594 --> 00:17:36,264
Carolyn, it was kind of a
446
00:17:36,347 --> 00:17:37,932
remarkable moment where he said,
447
00:17:38,015 --> 00:17:40,184
I'm out, I'm done, I've found
the one.
448
00:17:40,268 --> 00:17:42,186
And I got to say, I think he
449
00:17:42,270 --> 00:17:45,064
ended on the classiest, coolest
450
00:17:45,147 --> 00:17:47,441
chick he ever dated.
451
00:17:51,195 --> 00:17:58,202
♪
452
00:18:03,374 --> 00:18:04,542
John loved New York, and he
453
00:18:04,625 --> 00:18:06,377
was a creature of New York.
454
00:18:06,460 --> 00:18:09,005
And he loved everything about
it.
455
00:18:09,088 --> 00:18:10,506
There was no more beautiful
456
00:18:10,590 --> 00:18:13,175
sight than John Kennedy Jr., who
457
00:18:13,259 --> 00:18:15,344
looked like James Bond with a
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00:18:15,428 --> 00:18:16,655
backpack, skating down Broadway
459
00:18:16,679 --> 00:18:20,683
with his hat on backwards.
460
00:18:20,766 --> 00:18:23,185
He was acutely conscious of
461
00:18:23,269 --> 00:18:25,104
the fact that he could not avoid
462
00:18:25,187 --> 00:18:26,522
having a public image.
463
00:18:26,606 --> 00:18:28,899
And he sculpted his public image
464
00:18:28,983 --> 00:18:31,611
as surely as he sculpted his
abs.
465
00:18:31,694 --> 00:18:35,281
John just had this desire to
466
00:18:35,364 --> 00:18:37,783
be a normal guy.
467
00:18:37,867 --> 00:18:41,078
But also, really focused on
468
00:18:41,162 --> 00:18:42,580
carving his own path in life,
469
00:18:42,663 --> 00:18:43,706
doing it his way.
470
00:18:43,789 --> 00:18:46,125
John was used to the kind of
471
00:18:46,208 --> 00:18:47,918
attention that he got being his
472
00:18:48,002 --> 00:18:50,588
mother's son and his father's
son.
473
00:18:50,671 --> 00:18:52,882
And he grew to have a comfort
474
00:18:52,965 --> 00:18:53,883
level with that.
475
00:18:53,966 --> 00:18:57,136
But things were different when
476
00:18:57,219 --> 00:19:02,808
he was voted "people's"
477
00:19:02,892 --> 00:19:03,559
sexiest man.
478
00:19:03,643 --> 00:19:04,977
I was dating him at that time,
479
00:19:05,061 --> 00:19:07,980
and the attention on him became
480
00:19:08,064 --> 00:19:10,650
much more about him in his own
right.
481
00:19:10,733 --> 00:19:12,401
We're here to talk about sexy
man.
482
00:19:12,485 --> 00:19:14,987
The thing has become a huge
483
00:19:15,071 --> 00:19:16,214
part what was we do, and there's
484
00:19:16,238 --> 00:19:17,990
a lot of attention paid to it.
485
00:19:18,074 --> 00:19:19,909
And frankly, I think it's
486
00:19:19,992 --> 00:19:22,828
probably the issue most waited
for.
487
00:19:22,912 --> 00:19:25,956
Become part what was Americans
talk about.
488
00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:27,583
John F. Kennedy Jr. has now
489
00:19:27,667 --> 00:19:28,727
entered this canon of people who
490
00:19:28,751 --> 00:19:31,003
are thus designated, and the
491
00:19:31,087 --> 00:19:33,464
readers agreed.
492
00:19:33,547 --> 00:19:37,426
It hit pay dirt.
493
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:39,261
Do you mind all this stuff
about you?
494
00:19:39,345 --> 00:19:40,930
People can say a lot worse
495
00:19:41,013 --> 00:19:43,015
things about you, right, than
496
00:19:43,099 --> 00:19:44,242
that you were attractive and you
497
00:19:44,266 --> 00:19:46,519
look good in a bathing suit.
498
00:19:46,602 --> 00:19:47,520
Occasionally it's an annoyance,
499
00:19:47,603 --> 00:19:49,188
but for the most part there's a
500
00:19:49,271 --> 00:19:50,690
sense that it's... kind of
501
00:19:50,773 --> 00:19:52,274
continues on and it's generated
502
00:19:52,358 --> 00:19:53,585
and it doesn't really have a lot
503
00:19:53,609 --> 00:19:55,361
to do with my life in a strange
way.
504
00:19:55,444 --> 00:19:57,530
It's kind of... it's sort of...
505
00:19:57,613 --> 00:19:58,757
Continues at the periphery, and
506
00:19:58,781 --> 00:19:59,699
I kind of, you know... laugh
507
00:19:59,782 --> 00:20:04,203
about it.
508
00:20:04,286 --> 00:20:10,042
His glamor and his kind of
509
00:20:10,126 --> 00:20:11,961
cachet is absolute gold for the
510
00:20:12,044 --> 00:20:14,714
stars of the new magazine.
511
00:20:14,797 --> 00:20:16,298
Ladies and gentlemen, meet
George.
512
00:20:16,382 --> 00:20:18,551
The first cover is Cindy
513
00:20:18,634 --> 00:20:20,970
Crawford, you know, it model of
514
00:20:21,053 --> 00:20:23,389
the time, dressed up as George
515
00:20:23,472 --> 00:20:24,974
Washington with a bare midriff.
516
00:20:25,057 --> 00:20:27,226
So this is great, the
contrast...
517
00:20:27,309 --> 00:20:28,978
What John did is different.
518
00:20:29,061 --> 00:20:32,064
Because there were serious ideas
519
00:20:32,148 --> 00:20:35,651
within the pages of "George"
magazine.
520
00:20:35,735 --> 00:20:36,277
Then there were also, you know,
521
00:20:36,360 --> 00:20:41,490
flashy celebrities.
522
00:20:41,574 --> 00:20:42,366
It was meant to draw people
523
00:20:42,450 --> 00:20:43,743
in who care more about
524
00:20:43,826 --> 00:20:45,077
supermodels than about
525
00:20:45,161 --> 00:20:47,496
presidents.
526
00:20:47,580 --> 00:20:50,332
So, how is the magazine doing?
527
00:20:50,416 --> 00:20:54,503
The early signs are that...
528
00:20:54,587 --> 00:20:59,759
We sold out in about two weeks.
529
00:20:59,842 --> 00:21:00,676
He also was sort of feeling
530
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,263
his way into politics.
531
00:21:04,346 --> 00:21:05,264
I mean, he was kind of thinking
532
00:21:05,347 --> 00:21:07,600
about running for the senate,
533
00:21:07,683 --> 00:21:09,852
kind of thinking about maybe
not, maybe.
534
00:21:09,935 --> 00:21:11,520
Everybody wanted John to be
535
00:21:11,604 --> 00:21:12,396
in politics.
536
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:13,689
There was a part of him that
537
00:21:13,773 --> 00:21:14,690
wanted to be great.
538
00:21:14,774 --> 00:21:16,108
Wanted to leave his Mark.
539
00:21:16,192 --> 00:21:18,778
Our hope is not lost
540
00:21:18,861 --> 00:21:21,238
idealism, but a realistic
possibility.
541
00:21:21,322 --> 00:21:22,782
You know, you grow up in the
542
00:21:22,865 --> 00:21:24,533
Kennedy family, and you... you
543
00:21:24,617 --> 00:21:26,202
know, you aspire to much bigger
things.
544
00:21:26,285 --> 00:21:28,704
And "George" magazine I think
545
00:21:28,788 --> 00:21:31,457
was his way of sort of exploring
546
00:21:31,540 --> 00:21:34,710
a public forum into politics.
547
00:21:34,794 --> 00:21:36,253
Make it... the front of it
548
00:21:36,337 --> 00:21:36,796
more visual...
549
00:21:36,879 --> 00:21:40,090
I think it was an ambitious
idea.
550
00:21:40,174 --> 00:21:42,802
And maybe not a completely sane
one.
551
00:21:42,885 --> 00:21:44,386
I mean, if you're interested in
552
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:46,639
looking at Cindy Crawford, you
553
00:21:46,722 --> 00:21:50,226
might not be interested in
554
00:21:50,309 --> 00:21:52,102
reading about nuclear missile
555
00:21:52,186 --> 00:21:53,186
proliferation.
556
00:21:53,229 --> 00:21:55,773
So John becomes the
557
00:21:55,856 --> 00:21:57,483
editor-in-chief.
558
00:21:57,566 --> 00:21:58,400
And at the very same time, he's
559
00:21:58,484 --> 00:21:59,652
starting a new relationship.
560
00:21:59,735 --> 00:22:01,904
That was a real love affair.
561
00:22:01,987 --> 00:22:04,240
He was in love with Carolyn.
562
00:22:04,323 --> 00:22:06,742
He just thought she was this
amazing woman.
563
00:22:06,826 --> 00:22:07,993
Beautiful.
Complicated.
564
00:22:08,077 --> 00:22:10,996
Fun.
565
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:12,581
They were really in love.
566
00:22:12,665 --> 00:22:14,834
What we really wanted to do
567
00:22:14,917 --> 00:22:17,586
was tell a love story that was
568
00:22:17,670 --> 00:22:18,504
something anybody who's ever
569
00:22:18,587 --> 00:22:20,422
been in love could relate to.
570
00:22:20,506 --> 00:22:22,007
We wanted to celebrate the life
571
00:22:22,091 --> 00:22:22,758
of these people.
572
00:22:22,842 --> 00:22:24,653
I can't even imagine the
weight and responsibility on
573
00:22:24,677 --> 00:22:27,680
them.
574
00:22:27,763 --> 00:22:29,306
1995 that she reportedly
575
00:22:29,390 --> 00:22:32,309
moves into his Tribeca
apartment.
576
00:22:32,393 --> 00:22:33,553
And it's because of that that
577
00:22:33,602 --> 00:22:35,437
the siege begins at this
apartment.
578
00:22:35,521 --> 00:22:37,606
It's on a very open public
street.
579
00:22:37,690 --> 00:22:39,358
It's an industrial door in what
580
00:22:39,441 --> 00:22:41,026
used to be an industrial
building.
581
00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:43,195
And paparazzi started to camp
582
00:22:43,279 --> 00:22:44,381
out in front of the building.
583
00:22:44,405 --> 00:22:47,283
So I would just ask any
584
00:22:47,366 --> 00:22:49,159
privacy you can give her as she
585
00:22:49,243 --> 00:22:50,995
makes that adjustment, it would
586
00:22:51,078 --> 00:22:54,123
be greatly appreciated.
587
00:22:54,206 --> 00:22:55,791
Carolyn bessette was not
588
00:22:55,875 --> 00:22:59,336
someone who was prepared to be
589
00:22:59,420 --> 00:23:03,299
the wife of John F. Kennedy Jr.,
590
00:23:03,382 --> 00:23:03,924
sexiest man alive, potentially a
591
00:23:04,008 --> 00:23:06,802
presidential candidate.
592
00:23:06,886 --> 00:23:07,970
Okay, enough, enough.
593
00:23:08,053 --> 00:23:08,846
Let's go.
594
00:23:08,929 --> 00:23:11,515
John was just in a place in
595
00:23:11,599 --> 00:23:13,142
his life where he wanted to...
596
00:23:13,225 --> 00:23:13,809
He wanted to get married.
597
00:23:13,893 --> 00:23:19,273
He was eager to start a family.
598
00:23:19,356 --> 00:23:20,065
Are you crazy?
599
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:21,293
How can we possibly raise kids
600
00:23:21,317 --> 00:23:22,735
in this environment?
601
00:23:22,818 --> 00:23:24,236
She was very cautious.
602
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:24,987
She was in no rush.
603
00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:29,491
They pull off a truly genius
604
00:23:29,575 --> 00:23:31,577
secret wedding on a place called
605
00:23:31,660 --> 00:23:33,412
cumberland island in Georgia.
606
00:23:33,495 --> 00:23:34,330
Nobody knew this was happening.
607
00:23:34,413 --> 00:23:35,664
The thing is, you can pull
608
00:23:35,748 --> 00:23:38,250
off a secret wedding like that
609
00:23:38,334 --> 00:23:39,919
even if you're John Kennedy if
610
00:23:40,002 --> 00:23:41,146
you know who your friends are
611
00:23:41,170 --> 00:23:42,230
and you know who you can trust.
612
00:23:42,254 --> 00:23:43,923
A very small wedding.
613
00:23:44,006 --> 00:23:45,841
But nevertheless, no paparazzi
614
00:23:45,925 --> 00:23:47,843
found out about it.
615
00:23:47,927 --> 00:23:49,720
It was just seen as being almost
616
00:23:49,803 --> 00:23:51,764
a CIA-like operation, and good
for them.
617
00:24:00,981 --> 00:24:04,360
♪
618
00:24:06,153 --> 00:24:10,532
John, come over here!
619
00:24:10,616 --> 00:24:12,618
It's impossible to look at
620
00:24:12,701 --> 00:24:15,621
the grace and glamor and mystery
621
00:24:15,704 --> 00:24:17,289
around Carolyn bessette and not
622
00:24:17,373 --> 00:24:22,127
compare her to Jackie Kennedy.
623
00:24:22,211 --> 00:24:24,338
I mean, the way Jackie Kennedy
624
00:24:24,421 --> 00:24:25,339
bore herself.
625
00:24:25,422 --> 00:24:26,215
Her mystery.
626
00:24:26,298 --> 00:24:27,049
Her grace.
627
00:24:27,132 --> 00:24:30,970
Her seemingly existing above it
all.
628
00:24:31,053 --> 00:24:34,181
Was evident in Carolyn bessette
as well.
629
00:24:34,264 --> 00:24:35,975
The parallels between Carolyn
630
00:24:36,058 --> 00:24:38,894
and Jackie are so extraordinary.
631
00:24:38,978 --> 00:24:40,479
Because they very much were cut
632
00:24:40,562 --> 00:24:42,064
from the same kind of cloth, in
633
00:24:42,147 --> 00:24:43,232
many ways.
634
00:24:43,315 --> 00:24:45,567
They both had incredible style
635
00:24:45,651 --> 00:24:47,194
and taste.
636
00:24:47,277 --> 00:24:49,071
Jackie had such an elegance.
637
00:24:49,154 --> 00:24:50,531
And Carolyn was very much in
638
00:24:50,614 --> 00:24:57,621
that aesthetic.
639
00:24:59,915 --> 00:25:02,918
Carolyn as a fashion icon, I
640
00:25:03,002 --> 00:25:04,229
mean, since the first photograph
641
00:25:04,253 --> 00:25:06,088
that was ever taken of her, she
642
00:25:06,171 --> 00:25:07,423
was looked at for her personal
643
00:25:07,506 --> 00:25:11,677
style.
644
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:12,594
She's been gone for, you know,
645
00:25:12,678 --> 00:25:16,223
almost 30 years.
646
00:25:16,306 --> 00:25:17,683
But she's been a constant when
647
00:25:17,766 --> 00:25:20,269
it comes to referencing her look
648
00:25:20,352 --> 00:25:22,896
or her silhouette.
649
00:25:22,980 --> 00:25:24,773
Girls wanted to look like her
650
00:25:24,857 --> 00:25:26,608
back then, and I mean, still
651
00:25:26,692 --> 00:25:28,569
today they want to look like
her.
652
00:25:28,652 --> 00:25:31,780
No one did '90s minimalism
653
00:25:31,864 --> 00:25:33,866
like Carolyn bessette Kennedy.
654
00:25:33,949 --> 00:25:37,786
She's someone who let the sim
655
00:25:37,870 --> 00:25:41,415
miss of your outfits speak for
itself.
656
00:25:41,498 --> 00:25:42,041
Something about her specifically
657
00:25:42,124 --> 00:25:46,462
is just the blueprint.
658
00:25:46,545 --> 00:25:47,963
This whole side here, these
659
00:25:48,047 --> 00:25:50,132
first two bays, are all Carolyn
660
00:25:50,215 --> 00:25:54,970
bessette's closet.
661
00:25:55,054 --> 00:25:58,724
This was a coat that she had
worn.
662
00:25:58,807 --> 00:25:59,975
An old Prada coat.
663
00:26:00,059 --> 00:26:03,812
She wore a lot of Prada, a lot
664
00:26:03,896 --> 00:26:06,899
of Valentino, a lot of Yamamoto.
665
00:26:06,982 --> 00:26:09,485
Yamamoto described his
666
00:26:09,568 --> 00:26:10,819
clothing to be like armor for
667
00:26:10,903 --> 00:26:12,488
the women that wore it.
668
00:26:12,571 --> 00:26:14,156
I think that made so much sense
669
00:26:14,239 --> 00:26:16,325
on to me as to why she wore so
670
00:26:16,408 --> 00:26:17,993
many of his designs to these
671
00:26:18,077 --> 00:26:20,245
public outings.
672
00:26:20,329 --> 00:26:21,580
Carolyn obviously had such an
673
00:26:21,663 --> 00:26:23,058
understanding of the power of
clothing.
674
00:26:23,082 --> 00:26:24,166
It's the first thing that
675
00:26:24,249 --> 00:26:24,750
someone takes in about you.
676
00:26:24,833 --> 00:26:30,798
There she is.
677
00:26:30,881 --> 00:26:32,466
A lot of vintage and then just
678
00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:33,759
beat the hell out of it.
679
00:26:33,842 --> 00:26:35,260
Because she famously would beat
680
00:26:35,344 --> 00:26:36,345
up all of her bags.
681
00:26:36,428 --> 00:26:37,971
I think for many people, she
682
00:26:38,055 --> 00:26:39,848
has become a kind of ultimate
683
00:26:39,932 --> 00:26:41,600
fashion reference for how to
684
00:26:41,683 --> 00:26:44,269
channel minimalist '90s style.
685
00:26:44,353 --> 00:26:46,355
She just knew what worked for
686
00:26:46,438 --> 00:26:47,856
her, and that is very alluring
687
00:26:47,940 --> 00:26:49,483
to people and has a sort of aura
688
00:26:49,566 --> 00:26:51,110
of mystery around it.
689
00:26:51,193 --> 00:26:52,694
Mostly because people can't
690
00:26:52,778 --> 00:26:54,780
figure out how somebody can be
691
00:26:54,863 --> 00:26:56,049
so sure of what it is they want
692
00:26:56,073 --> 00:26:56,615
to wear and how they want to
693
00:26:56,698 --> 00:27:02,121
present themselves.
694
00:27:02,204 --> 00:27:04,706
So, this was probably the
695
00:27:04,790 --> 00:27:08,335
most daunting design challenge.
696
00:27:08,418 --> 00:27:12,798
This was a recreation of the
697
00:27:12,881 --> 00:27:16,718
wedding dress which narciso
698
00:27:16,802 --> 00:27:18,387
Rodriguez made for her.
699
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:19,531
They were very good friends.
700
00:27:19,555 --> 00:27:22,140
That dress was so influential.
701
00:27:22,224 --> 00:27:23,851
Nobody got married in a slip
702
00:27:23,934 --> 00:27:26,520
dress like that before that.
703
00:27:26,603 --> 00:27:27,646
That just spoke to her
704
00:27:27,729 --> 00:27:28,790
extraordinary confidence, and it
705
00:27:28,814 --> 00:27:35,821
started a whole new trend.
706
00:27:35,988 --> 00:27:37,573
They got married in the
707
00:27:37,656 --> 00:27:39,032
middle of 92 where.
708
00:27:39,116 --> 00:27:41,326
Access to cumberland island was
709
00:27:41,410 --> 00:27:41,994
virtually impossible.
710
00:27:42,077 --> 00:27:44,246
It wasn't like getting married
711
00:27:44,329 --> 00:27:46,665
at some downtown church or in
712
00:27:46,748 --> 00:27:47,934
Montecito, California, someplace
713
00:27:47,958 --> 00:27:48,834
you could stake out.
714
00:27:48,917 --> 00:27:50,252
You couldn't get there.
715
00:27:50,335 --> 00:27:51,396
And that's precisely why they
716
00:27:51,420 --> 00:27:53,380
chose it we flew down to
717
00:27:53,463 --> 00:27:54,703
Jacksonville, Florida, I think,
718
00:27:54,756 --> 00:27:55,900
then took a boat to the island.
719
00:27:55,924 --> 00:27:57,342
I mean, at what is a secret
720
00:27:57,426 --> 00:27:59,720
among even the family, which is
721
00:27:59,803 --> 00:28:01,513
why it was able to be kept a
722
00:28:01,597 --> 00:28:03,181
secret, I think.
723
00:28:03,265 --> 00:28:05,100
It was very clear that first day
724
00:28:05,183 --> 00:28:07,686
that nobody knew that they were
725
00:28:07,769 --> 00:28:08,353
getting married.
726
00:28:08,437 --> 00:28:11,356
Originally, we wanted to have
727
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,358
the wedding on the beach.
728
00:28:13,442 --> 00:28:15,277
Until Carolyn saw that church.
729
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:17,237
And she was like, we're getting
730
00:28:17,321 --> 00:28:20,282
married there.
731
00:28:20,365 --> 00:28:21,700
One of the great things about
732
00:28:21,783 --> 00:28:24,786
John and Carolyn's wedding is
733
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:28,206
there was no wedding planner.
734
00:28:28,290 --> 00:28:29,958
One night Carolyn meets John's
735
00:28:30,042 --> 00:28:30,918
executive assistant, and they
736
00:28:31,001 --> 00:28:32,586
print the wedding programs on
737
00:28:32,669 --> 00:28:34,379
the "George" magazine office
copier.
738
00:28:34,463 --> 00:28:36,048
I, John, take thee,
739
00:28:36,131 --> 00:28:39,134
Carolyn...
740
00:28:39,217 --> 00:28:40,886
It was just a great, magical,
741
00:28:40,969 --> 00:28:41,720
fun weekend.
742
00:28:41,803 --> 00:28:44,389
And we were... there were only
743
00:28:44,473 --> 00:28:45,974
about 30 of US.
744
00:28:46,058 --> 00:28:47,059
So it was like camp.
745
00:28:47,142 --> 00:28:48,644
And we were just running around
746
00:28:48,727 --> 00:28:49,728
this whole island.
747
00:28:49,811 --> 00:28:51,480
And we had it all to ourselves.
748
00:28:51,563 --> 00:28:52,731
I kind of didn't believe that
749
00:28:52,814 --> 00:28:53,398
they had pulled it off.
750
00:28:53,482 --> 00:29:00,489
It was like a fantasy.
751
00:29:03,492 --> 00:29:04,993
He knew that she wouldn't
752
00:29:05,077 --> 00:29:08,246
want the big, splashy,
paparazzi wedding.
753
00:29:08,497 --> 00:29:10,374
She wanted something different,
754
00:29:10,457 --> 00:29:11,917
and he wanted to give that to
her.
755
00:29:12,751 --> 00:29:15,045
Everybody in america put them
756
00:29:15,128 --> 00:29:16,296
on a pedestal.
757
00:29:16,380 --> 00:29:18,131
We wanted them to be the John
758
00:29:18,256 --> 00:29:19,257
and Jackie Kennedy.
759
00:29:19,341 --> 00:29:20,884
You can't even imagine the
760
00:29:20,968 --> 00:29:22,288
weight and responsibility on
them.
761
00:29:23,845 --> 00:29:25,347
Following their wedding,
762
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:26,590
Carolyn started to have a lot
763
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,350
more fears and anxiety.
764
00:29:29,226 --> 00:29:30,894
Her whole life changed
overnight.
765
00:29:31,019 --> 00:29:36,191
She really couldn't go out, day or night,
without being followed and filmed.
766
00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:41,947
I think she underestimated, as
anyone would, what that pressure
767
00:29:42,155 --> 00:29:43,281
was going to be.
768
00:29:48,453 --> 00:29:50,247
Carolyn was really having a
769
00:29:50,330 --> 00:29:52,416
hard time with paparazzi.
770
00:29:52,582 --> 00:29:56,128
Just was a slow erosion of
771
00:29:56,211 --> 00:29:58,797
happiness, of privacy, that she
772
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,465
didn't know how to handle.
773
00:30:00,549 --> 00:30:02,217
I said, this is what you
774
00:30:02,300 --> 00:30:02,968
bargained for?
775
00:30:03,051 --> 00:30:04,970
And she goes, no, this was not
776
00:30:05,053 --> 00:30:06,680
what I thought it would be.
777
00:30:06,763 --> 00:30:08,849
I can't even walk the dog on the
street.
778
00:30:08,932 --> 00:30:10,726
I can't pick up poop.
779
00:30:10,809 --> 00:30:13,353
There's a photographer in your
face everywhere you go.
780
00:30:17,607 --> 00:30:20,610
It was taking a toll on their
relationship.
781
00:30:20,694 --> 00:30:22,779
He was trying to protect her,
782
00:30:22,863 --> 00:30:24,143
but they couldn't 24 hours a
day.
783
00:30:24,197 --> 00:30:25,949
John was naive.
784
00:30:26,033 --> 00:30:27,826
He told her, once I'm married,
785
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:29,286
all this is going to disappear.
786
00:30:29,369 --> 00:30:30,829
I think she bought into that.
787
00:30:30,912 --> 00:30:32,539
It turned out to be very, very
different.
788
00:30:42,632 --> 00:30:44,926
It was considered kind of
789
00:30:45,010 --> 00:30:46,112
radical, that John chose to live
790
00:30:46,136 --> 00:30:48,889
in the Tribeca area.
791
00:30:48,972 --> 00:30:50,766
It was industrial, it was
gritty.
792
00:30:50,849 --> 00:30:52,642
It was a little forbidding.
793
00:30:52,726 --> 00:30:53,769
But it was cool.
794
00:30:53,852 --> 00:30:55,437
It was not the Upper East Side.
795
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,814
He chose not to live the life
796
00:30:57,898 --> 00:30:59,441
that he probably had been raised
to.
797
00:31:01,735 --> 00:31:03,445
I'm Alex digerlando,
798
00:31:03,528 --> 00:31:05,947
executive
producer of "love story."
799
00:31:06,865 --> 00:31:09,326
This is John and Carolyn's
Tribeca loft.
800
00:31:10,619 --> 00:31:14,915
We recreated it here on the
stage.
801
00:31:19,628 --> 00:31:20,837
Our production designer and
802
00:31:20,921 --> 00:31:22,547
the production design team
803
00:31:22,631 --> 00:31:25,258
really took care in researching
804
00:31:25,342 --> 00:31:27,511
not just what felt like the
805
00:31:27,594 --> 00:31:30,097
'90s, but the specificity where
806
00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:31,223
our characters lived.
807
00:31:31,306 --> 00:31:32,492
And it was important for US to
808
00:31:32,516 --> 00:31:34,518
go to the real locations, too.
809
00:31:34,601 --> 00:31:37,604
We were actually able to film
810
00:31:37,687 --> 00:31:41,733
outside of their real building
811
00:31:41,817 --> 00:31:43,860
on north Moore next to Walker's.
812
00:31:43,944 --> 00:31:46,738
So it was at times haunting to
813
00:31:46,822 --> 00:31:47,405
be in the actual spaces they had
814
00:31:47,489 --> 00:31:54,496
been.
815
00:31:54,871 --> 00:31:57,707
One of the great things about
816
00:31:57,791 --> 00:32:00,043
New York is that generally it is
817
00:32:00,127 --> 00:32:01,044
a place where you can be
818
00:32:01,128 --> 00:32:03,463
anonymous, even when you're very
famous.
819
00:32:03,547 --> 00:32:05,549
Greta garbo famously said she
820
00:32:05,632 --> 00:32:06,967
moved to New York at the end of
821
00:32:07,050 --> 00:32:08,290
her life because the only place
822
00:32:08,343 --> 00:32:10,887
that she could be alone.
823
00:32:10,971 --> 00:32:12,115
And so what was strange about
824
00:32:12,139 --> 00:32:13,366
their New York existence is they
825
00:32:13,390 --> 00:32:15,392
were hassled here.
826
00:32:15,475 --> 00:32:17,060
Part of the tragedy was that so
827
00:32:17,144 --> 00:32:17,978
quickly this did not become a
828
00:32:18,061 --> 00:32:22,065
city that was a safe haven.
829
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:25,735
My name's Victor malafronte.
830
00:32:25,819 --> 00:32:28,572
I was a paparazzi in the '80s
831
00:32:28,655 --> 00:32:30,073
and '90s in New York City.
832
00:32:30,157 --> 00:32:30,991
I was part of a documentary
833
00:32:31,074 --> 00:32:33,451
called "blast 'em."
834
00:32:33,535 --> 00:32:36,955
What a jerk.
835
00:32:37,038 --> 00:32:38,081
It was about the paparazzi
836
00:32:38,165 --> 00:32:39,082
and how they created their
837
00:32:39,166 --> 00:32:40,500
craft.
838
00:32:40,584 --> 00:32:42,169
What are you going to do?
839
00:32:42,252 --> 00:32:43,628
He doesn't want to pose, he
840
00:32:43,712 --> 00:32:47,340
doesn't want to pose, you know?
841
00:32:47,424 --> 00:32:48,967
The one of John is one of the
842
00:32:49,050 --> 00:32:51,970
most famous I'm known for.
843
00:32:52,053 --> 00:32:55,765
I followed John back to his
844
00:32:55,849 --> 00:32:57,326
house, and he comes bounding out
on rollerblades.
845
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:59,436
And I started running after him.
846
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:01,688
John just stooped, made a dead
847
00:33:01,771 --> 00:33:03,011
stop, turned around and saw me.
848
00:33:03,064 --> 00:33:05,275
And he started to charge me.
849
00:33:05,358 --> 00:33:06,776
And I thought he was going to
850
00:33:06,860 --> 00:33:07,944
attack me or something.
851
00:33:08,028 --> 00:33:09,529
But he said, "do you think you
852
00:33:09,613 --> 00:33:11,448
could give me a break so I could
853
00:33:11,531 --> 00:33:12,949
spend my day enjoying myself and
854
00:33:13,033 --> 00:33:17,037
not being hunted by you?"
855
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,206
He had a pretty respectful
856
00:33:19,289 --> 00:33:21,124
relationship with the paparazzi.
857
00:33:21,208 --> 00:33:24,127
It changes when he gets married.
858
00:33:24,211 --> 00:33:27,005
And for some reason, the press
859
00:33:27,088 --> 00:33:31,384
cannot accept Carolyn.
860
00:33:31,468 --> 00:33:35,805
It was tough on her.
861
00:33:35,889 --> 00:33:38,141
There's this one phrase that
862
00:33:38,225 --> 00:33:39,726
actually makes me really angry
863
00:33:39,809 --> 00:33:41,019
when people say.
864
00:33:41,102 --> 00:33:44,231
"Well, she knew what she was
getting into."
865
00:33:44,314 --> 00:33:45,398
Nobody knows what they're
866
00:33:45,482 --> 00:33:46,691
getting into until they're in
867
00:33:46,775 --> 00:33:48,235
it.
868
00:33:48,318 --> 00:33:49,486
I think one of the things
869
00:33:49,569 --> 00:33:52,739
that the show explores is that
870
00:33:52,822 --> 00:33:54,824
because John has grown up in the
871
00:33:54,908 --> 00:33:56,826
public eye, he has sort of
872
00:33:56,910 --> 00:34:00,080
learned how to manage and
873
00:34:00,163 --> 00:34:02,707
coexist with the paparazzi.
874
00:34:02,791 --> 00:34:05,335
But for her, especially because
875
00:34:05,418 --> 00:34:07,879
she won't feed the machine, they
876
00:34:07,963 --> 00:34:11,007
turn on her.
877
00:34:11,091 --> 00:34:12,676
The scenes were very intense.
878
00:34:12,759 --> 00:34:14,261
I mean, just the amount of
879
00:34:14,344 --> 00:34:17,180
people, the flashes.
880
00:34:17,264 --> 00:34:19,182
It was so constant.
881
00:34:19,266 --> 00:34:20,767
You know, you... your nervous
882
00:34:20,850 --> 00:34:22,078
system gets fried pretty
quickly.
883
00:34:22,102 --> 00:34:23,770
You have to understand one
884
00:34:23,853 --> 00:34:25,397
thing about Carolyn.
885
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,234
She hates being taken a picture
of.
886
00:34:29,317 --> 00:34:31,069
That's why she wears sunglasses
887
00:34:31,152 --> 00:34:32,779
and shrouds herself.
888
00:34:32,862 --> 00:34:35,532
She wanted to hide.
889
00:34:35,615 --> 00:34:38,493
She was not able to leave her
front door on north Moore
890
00:34:38,576 --> 00:34:40,537
street.
891
00:34:40,620 --> 00:34:41,705
It was almost like a stage.
892
00:34:41,788 --> 00:34:43,915
These two steps down, there was
893
00:34:43,999 --> 00:34:47,210
no other exit, there's no
doorman.
894
00:34:47,294 --> 00:34:49,546
And the paparazzi were always,
895
00:34:49,629 --> 00:34:50,380
always there.
896
00:34:50,463 --> 00:34:51,965
And it just built on itself.
897
00:34:52,048 --> 00:34:53,128
And the more frightened she
898
00:34:53,174 --> 00:34:53,717
became, the more isolated she
899
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:59,055
became.
900
00:34:59,139 --> 00:35:00,432
I mean, she just... I don't
901
00:35:00,515 --> 00:35:01,766
think the company and the
902
00:35:01,850 --> 00:35:03,476
business could handle her being
903
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,061
so photographed.
904
00:35:05,145 --> 00:35:06,146
And so in the media.
905
00:35:06,229 --> 00:35:07,147
And that was her life.
906
00:35:07,230 --> 00:35:08,940
She had been a professional.
907
00:35:09,024 --> 00:35:09,899
She was a director person.
908
00:35:09,983 --> 00:35:11,109
And she loses that.
909
00:35:11,192 --> 00:35:11,651
Then she's trapped in this
910
00:35:11,735 --> 00:35:14,738
prison.
911
00:35:14,821 --> 00:35:16,239
Okay, enough, enough, let's go.
912
00:35:16,323 --> 00:35:18,074
Which in her mind, it really
913
00:35:18,158 --> 00:35:19,576
was a prison.
914
00:35:19,659 --> 00:35:21,995
Which she can't escape from.
915
00:35:22,078 --> 00:35:23,663
And a narrative starts to
916
00:35:23,747 --> 00:35:24,289
emerge that she can't take this,
917
00:35:24,372 --> 00:35:29,919
this is too much for her.
918
00:35:30,003 --> 00:35:31,963
The rumors at the end of
919
00:35:32,047 --> 00:35:33,065
their life was obviously the
920
00:35:33,089 --> 00:35:34,507
marriage was breaking apart.
921
00:35:34,591 --> 00:35:39,179
John was staying at the stanhope
uptown.
922
00:35:39,262 --> 00:35:42,432
They were fighting incessantly.
923
00:35:42,515 --> 00:35:44,017
Had a volatile relationship.
924
00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:46,436
And unfortunately, the cameras
925
00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:47,854
were always there to record it.
926
00:35:47,937 --> 00:35:49,648
There were scenes that were
927
00:35:49,731 --> 00:35:51,441
captured on film of them
928
00:35:51,524 --> 00:35:52,859
squabbling in the park, shoving
929
00:35:52,942 --> 00:35:55,528
each other, arguing loudly.
930
00:35:55,612 --> 00:35:56,988
Apparently unaware of the fact
931
00:35:57,072 --> 00:35:58,365
that they were always being
932
00:35:58,448 --> 00:35:59,783
filmed.
933
00:35:59,866 --> 00:36:01,201
Having issues.
934
00:36:01,284 --> 00:36:03,411
And theirs were playing out in
public.
935
00:36:03,495 --> 00:36:05,497
And I think a lot of the issues
936
00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:10,960
had to do with the obligations
937
00:36:11,044 --> 00:36:11,878
of "George."
938
00:36:11,961 --> 00:36:13,046
His magazine is failing.
939
00:36:13,129 --> 00:36:14,714
The one thing that John has done
940
00:36:14,798 --> 00:36:17,008
in his life, which his name is
941
00:36:17,092 --> 00:36:17,842
clearly associated with.
942
00:36:17,926 --> 00:36:19,695
He doesn't know whether it's
going to survive.
943
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,972
His marriage is falling apart.
944
00:36:23,056 --> 00:36:24,224
John is interested in
945
00:36:24,307 --> 00:36:25,141
starting a family.
946
00:36:25,225 --> 00:36:27,060
They're starting to talk about
it.
947
00:36:27,143 --> 00:36:29,729
But Carolyn doesn't want to
948
00:36:29,813 --> 00:36:30,522
bring a child into the
949
00:36:30,605 --> 00:36:31,624
relationship the way it is now.
950
00:36:31,648 --> 00:36:33,149
I've learned that people have
951
00:36:33,233 --> 00:36:33,900
pretty much said everything
952
00:36:33,983 --> 00:36:36,820
there is to say about the two of
953
00:36:36,903 --> 00:36:38,405
them.
954
00:36:38,488 --> 00:36:39,698
Regardless of its truth.
955
00:36:39,781 --> 00:36:41,366
They went to marriage
956
00:36:41,449 --> 00:36:42,325
counseling because they love
957
00:36:42,409 --> 00:36:43,243
each other, and they were
958
00:36:43,326 --> 00:36:45,036
determined to make their
959
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:45,662
relationship work.
960
00:36:45,745 --> 00:36:47,080
You know, who knows what would
961
00:36:47,163 --> 00:36:48,331
have happened.
962
00:36:48,415 --> 00:36:51,334
There just wasn't enough time.
963
00:37:03,054 --> 00:37:05,849
John loved to fly.
964
00:37:06,975 --> 00:37:08,035
When you think about it, when
965
00:37:08,059 --> 00:37:10,145
you think about the intensity of
966
00:37:10,228 --> 00:37:12,272
the attention on John, flying up
967
00:37:12,355 --> 00:37:13,898
in the air is the one place
968
00:37:13,982 --> 00:37:18,236
where he can be left alone.
969
00:37:18,319 --> 00:37:21,239
Nobody wanted him to fly.
970
00:37:21,322 --> 00:37:21,823
Carolyn bessette wasn't crazy
971
00:37:21,906 --> 00:37:23,158
about it, either.
972
00:37:23,241 --> 00:37:24,325
But toward the end of their
973
00:37:24,409 --> 00:37:29,956
lives, she started to like it.
974
00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:31,058
She said that, when they're up
975
00:37:31,082 --> 00:37:32,333
there together, it was when she
976
00:37:32,417 --> 00:37:33,585
felt closest to him.
977
00:37:33,668 --> 00:37:35,253
Because there were no paparazzi.
978
00:37:35,336 --> 00:37:36,337
There were no fans.
979
00:37:36,421 --> 00:37:43,428
It was just the two of them.
980
00:37:43,595 --> 00:37:46,931
On the night of July 16th,
981
00:37:47,015 --> 00:37:49,184
1999, jfk Jr. and Carolyn
982
00:37:49,267 --> 00:37:50,327
bessette are planning to head to
983
00:37:50,351 --> 00:37:52,353
Cape Cod for the wedding of his
984
00:37:52,437 --> 00:37:53,354
cousin, Rory.
985
00:37:53,438 --> 00:37:56,024
Along with them is her sister,
Lauren.
986
00:37:56,107 --> 00:37:57,108
It's a summer night.
987
00:37:57,192 --> 00:37:58,276
It's very hot and hazy.
988
00:37:58,359 --> 00:37:59,778
For whatever reason, they leave
989
00:37:59,861 --> 00:38:01,613
late.
990
00:38:01,696 --> 00:38:03,156
Carolyn had just gotten to
991
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:03,865
the airport.
992
00:38:03,948 --> 00:38:04,866
She was just calling to say they
993
00:38:04,949 --> 00:38:06,117
were ready to take off.
994
00:38:06,201 --> 00:38:08,369
And then she said, "I love you."
995
00:38:08,453 --> 00:38:10,038
And I said, "I know."
996
00:38:10,121 --> 00:38:11,790
Then by hung up.
997
00:38:11,873 --> 00:38:12,874
It's just heartbreaking.
998
00:38:12,957 --> 00:38:14,209
I mean, it just... you remember
999
00:38:14,292 --> 00:38:14,959
the last thing you say to your
1000
00:38:15,043 --> 00:38:20,381
best friend.
1001
00:38:20,465 --> 00:38:23,218
The haze is really, really
thick.
1002
00:38:23,301 --> 00:38:24,886
And John is in the midst of
1003
00:38:24,969 --> 00:38:27,806
getting his instrument training.
1004
00:38:27,889 --> 00:38:29,641
So as it gets darker and
1005
00:38:29,724 --> 00:38:31,392
darker, that kind of sense of
1006
00:38:31,476 --> 00:38:35,688
vertigo starts to grow in the
plane.
1007
00:38:35,772 --> 00:38:36,272
And we all know what happens
1008
00:38:36,356 --> 00:38:43,363
after that.
1009
00:38:49,410 --> 00:38:50,745
It was midnight.
1010
00:38:50,829 --> 00:38:51,746
And the phone rang.
1011
00:38:51,830 --> 00:38:56,543
And it was John's friend.
1012
00:38:56,626 --> 00:38:58,503
He was at hyannis airport
1013
00:38:58,586 --> 00:38:59,337
waiting for them.
1014
00:38:59,420 --> 00:39:00,648
Just one of those moments where
1015
00:39:00,672 --> 00:39:02,924
the minute I heard his voice, I
just knew.
1016
00:39:03,007 --> 00:39:04,926
He didn't even have to say
anything.
1017
00:39:05,009 --> 00:39:08,012
I just thought, this doesn't
1018
00:39:08,096 --> 00:39:12,016
make sense, and I just started
making calls.
1019
00:39:12,100 --> 00:39:12,851
It was pretty late.
1020
00:39:12,934 --> 00:39:14,602
I said, "Carol, it's Rose,
1021
00:39:14,686 --> 00:39:15,687
what's going on?"
1022
00:39:15,770 --> 00:39:17,772
And she said, "they haven't
1023
00:39:17,856 --> 00:39:18,356
landed, they're not here,
1024
00:39:18,439 --> 00:39:20,525
something's wrong."
1025
00:39:20,608 --> 00:39:22,610
You know, I remember Brian
1026
00:39:22,694 --> 00:39:25,196
steel saying afterwards, you
1027
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,367
know, "I knew right away.
1028
00:39:29,450 --> 00:39:32,203
John Kennedy's plane doesn't go
missing."
1029
00:39:32,287 --> 00:39:33,705
I knew he was dead.
1030
00:39:33,788 --> 00:39:35,540
I knew that John didn't
disappear.
1031
00:39:35,623 --> 00:39:39,294
For days, we didn't know.
1032
00:39:39,377 --> 00:39:40,879
I couldn't understand what
1033
00:39:40,962 --> 00:39:41,963
was going on.
1034
00:39:42,046 --> 00:39:44,424
And when I went up to
1035
00:39:44,507 --> 00:39:48,094
Connecticut, the mom was... she
1036
00:39:48,177 --> 00:39:50,096
had tried... cried so much, that
1037
00:39:50,179 --> 00:39:57,186
she couldn't sleep.
1038
00:39:58,646 --> 00:40:00,732
Abc news has learned that a
1039
00:40:00,815 --> 00:40:03,318
significant portion of the
1040
00:40:03,401 --> 00:40:04,777
wreckage of Jon f. Kennedy's
1041
00:40:04,861 --> 00:40:05,778
plane has been found in the
1042
00:40:05,862 --> 00:40:07,739
waters off Martha's vineyard,
1043
00:40:07,822 --> 00:40:08,740
and that John F. Kennedy's body
1044
00:40:08,823 --> 00:40:12,285
is in it.
1045
00:40:12,368 --> 00:40:15,413
It was earth-shattering.
1046
00:40:15,496 --> 00:40:18,124
It was unbelievable.
1047
00:40:18,207 --> 00:40:19,459
It was as if the earth had
1048
00:40:19,542 --> 00:40:24,339
cracked in half somehow.
1049
00:40:24,422 --> 00:40:26,257
And when you think about his
1050
00:40:26,341 --> 00:40:26,925
father, right, his father had an
1051
00:40:27,008 --> 00:40:30,136
unfinished life.
1052
00:40:30,219 --> 00:40:32,597
And then in a strange way, John
1053
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:37,101
also had an unfinished life.
1054
00:40:37,185 --> 00:40:38,603
And so did Carolyn.
1055
00:40:38,686 --> 00:40:39,187
She was only 33 when she
1056
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:42,315
passed away.
1057
00:40:42,398 --> 00:40:43,608
Because of the tragic way her
1058
00:40:43,691 --> 00:40:46,027
life ended, she'll never grow
old.
1059
00:40:46,110 --> 00:40:47,946
She'll never have to age.
1060
00:40:48,029 --> 00:40:49,697
Just this, like, frozen in time
1061
00:40:49,781 --> 00:40:52,867
image that people have.
1062
00:40:52,951 --> 00:40:54,994
Could they have a family?
1063
00:40:55,078 --> 00:40:57,038
Would he have been a good
president?
1064
00:40:57,121 --> 00:40:58,706
There's always going to be a
1065
00:40:58,790 --> 00:41:01,000
sense of what-if, I think, with
1066
00:41:01,084 --> 00:41:01,626
John and Carolyn.
1067
00:41:01,709 --> 00:41:07,548
I think that my greatest fear
1068
00:41:07,632 --> 00:41:10,969
would be to be faint of heart.
1069
00:41:11,052 --> 00:41:13,221
And feel that, you know, I
1070
00:41:13,304 --> 00:41:15,556
missed an opportunity, or you
1071
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,350
could have taken a path less
1072
00:41:17,433 --> 00:41:19,519
traveled that would have ended
1073
00:41:19,602 --> 00:41:20,478
into something completely
1074
00:41:20,561 --> 00:41:23,982
wonderful and unexpected.
1075
00:41:24,065 --> 00:41:25,233
There really was never
1076
00:41:25,316 --> 00:41:26,651
anybody like them before or
1077
00:41:26,734 --> 00:41:28,569
since.
1078
00:41:28,653 --> 00:41:30,321
They had a glamor, they had
1079
00:41:30,405 --> 00:41:33,324
style, they had tragedy.
1080
00:41:34,075 --> 00:41:35,535
They are an unfinished story.
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