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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:37,746 --> 00:00:39,182 Ladies and gentlemen, 2 00:00:39,206 --> 00:00:43,669 we are blessed to have with us a key man in the world today. 3 00:00:44,127 --> 00:00:47,965 One of the most beloved of the Pentecostal movement in America. 4 00:00:49,508 --> 00:00:51,051 God has chosen him. 5 00:00:52,135 --> 00:00:54,221 There's a destiny at work in him. 6 00:00:55,097 --> 00:00:57,015 He's prayed with presidents. 7 00:00:58,225 --> 00:01:01,520 Now, I know no one who ministers 8 00:01:02,229 --> 00:01:04,666 so tirelessly to so many. 9 00:01:06,650 --> 00:01:09,128 And he's been going non-stop this tour, 10 00:01:09,152 --> 00:01:11,047 and I thank God for giving him the strength... 11 00:01:11,071 --> 00:01:12,632 - Hallelujah! - To be with us 12 00:01:12,656 --> 00:01:14,842 before he flies back home to Tulsa. 13 00:01:17,578 --> 00:01:18,930 Ladies and gentlemen... 14 00:01:22,165 --> 00:01:23,917 put your hands together... 15 00:01:24,793 --> 00:01:26,962 for the one, the only... 16 00:01:27,921 --> 00:01:30,567 Bishop Carlton Pearson. 17 00:01:59,244 --> 00:02:01,556 We kindly ask you to step out of the aisle 18 00:02:01,580 --> 00:02:04,124 to allow passengers behind you to pass. 19 00:02:04,583 --> 00:02:07,437 Please place all carry-on items in the overhead bins 20 00:02:07,461 --> 00:02:10,213 and any smaller items underneath the seat in front of you. 21 00:02:14,926 --> 00:02:17,679 No, listen to me. They're not bluffing, okay? 22 00:02:18,722 --> 00:02:20,682 No, they're not. 23 00:02:21,892 --> 00:02:24,829 No, trust me. We're at that point now. 24 00:02:24,853 --> 00:02:27,022 If we go back for more, they're gonna walk. 25 00:02:28,523 --> 00:02:30,192 Could I get a red wine, please? 26 00:02:32,152 --> 00:02:34,071 Tulsa, for a deposition. 27 00:02:34,863 --> 00:02:37,032 All right, I'll talk to you Monday. 28 00:02:38,492 --> 00:02:39,534 Okay, bye. 29 00:02:40,410 --> 00:02:42,555 - Here you are, miss. - Oh, thanks. 30 00:02:50,545 --> 00:02:51,545 You a lawyer? 31 00:02:52,631 --> 00:02:53,631 Yeah. 32 00:02:56,051 --> 00:02:57,386 Must be a lot of work. 33 00:03:06,061 --> 00:03:07,646 You must love what you do. 34 00:03:12,442 --> 00:03:15,004 Even the preachers back then, a lot of them were illiterate. 35 00:03:15,028 --> 00:03:17,924 Most of them were janitors. The women were housekeepers. 36 00:03:17,948 --> 00:03:21,302 The way it was back then, you either went to church or you went to jail. 37 00:03:21,326 --> 00:03:24,931 Every Sunday, the church folk would haul in the drunks and the backsliders 38 00:03:24,955 --> 00:03:26,015 for altar calls. 39 00:03:26,039 --> 00:03:28,142 "Uncle so-and-so just got out of San Quentin." 40 00:03:28,166 --> 00:03:30,561 - What are altar calls? - Oh, you don't go to church? 41 00:03:30,585 --> 00:03:33,255 When I was young, but I was raised Catholic. 42 00:03:34,005 --> 00:03:36,174 What happened? Why did you stop going to church? 43 00:03:36,591 --> 00:03:37,591 I don't know. 44 00:03:38,176 --> 00:03:40,887 I think the part I liked the most was being a family. 45 00:03:41,847 --> 00:03:42,847 You married? 46 00:03:44,599 --> 00:03:45,642 Technically. 47 00:03:48,019 --> 00:03:48,913 It's... 48 00:03:48,937 --> 00:03:49,872 Mmm... 49 00:03:49,896 --> 00:03:51,565 It's complicated. 50 00:03:52,274 --> 00:03:53,274 Oh. 51 00:03:53,692 --> 00:03:54,836 I mean... I should finish. 52 00:03:54,860 --> 00:03:56,862 You know, maybe it's not just chance. 53 00:03:57,946 --> 00:03:59,865 You sitting there, me sitting here. 54 00:04:02,033 --> 00:04:03,076 Like, fate? 55 00:04:05,662 --> 00:04:06,705 Or purpose. 56 00:04:14,087 --> 00:04:15,172 I can't have kids. 57 00:04:18,842 --> 00:04:21,678 My husband wanted to have kids and I put it off. 58 00:04:25,849 --> 00:04:27,160 Do you have kids? 59 00:04:27,184 --> 00:04:28,310 Oh, yeah, I got 'em. 60 00:04:29,394 --> 00:04:32,290 Yeah, I got a boy and a girl. They're a pain in the ass. 61 00:04:35,525 --> 00:04:38,236 I didn't wanna get married and have kids, honestly. 62 00:04:39,529 --> 00:04:43,158 I was raised to believe that having a family was a distraction from God. 63 00:04:44,284 --> 00:04:45,535 I struggled with it. 64 00:04:46,912 --> 00:04:48,079 I still do. 65 00:04:48,663 --> 00:04:51,124 Even though they're the most precious thing to me now. 66 00:04:51,666 --> 00:04:52,666 I'm... 67 00:04:52,959 --> 00:04:55,104 - I'm so sorry. I'm... - It's okay. 68 00:04:55,128 --> 00:04:57,881 - I'm such a mess. - That's how everybody feels. 69 00:04:58,423 --> 00:05:01,927 Things are going okay, you skate by. When they're not, the sky falls in. 70 00:05:03,470 --> 00:05:05,656 I want you to imagine something, just for a second. 71 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,599 And I want you to really imagine this. 72 00:05:08,892 --> 00:05:10,727 There's a reason for things. 73 00:05:11,686 --> 00:05:13,271 And there's a simple choice. 74 00:05:16,107 --> 00:05:18,443 I could get you saved right now if you wanted. 75 00:05:20,362 --> 00:05:22,656 - What does that mean, exactly? - Pray with me. 76 00:05:24,074 --> 00:05:25,450 Relinquish your sins. 77 00:05:26,743 --> 00:05:28,888 Accept Jesus Christ into your life. 78 00:05:29,996 --> 00:05:31,623 On a flight to Tulsa? 79 00:05:37,712 --> 00:05:38,964 Hold my hand. 80 00:05:42,259 --> 00:05:43,969 And she's right there... 81 00:05:44,803 --> 00:05:46,930 and I'm right there with her. 82 00:05:49,432 --> 00:05:53,395 And I know this woman is going to hell if I don't do something about it. 83 00:05:55,188 --> 00:05:58,233 She's never been saved. She's not born again. 84 00:05:58,984 --> 00:06:00,443 But I'm tired, Lord. I've... 85 00:06:00,861 --> 00:06:03,113 been to seven churches in four days. 86 00:06:04,030 --> 00:06:06,491 Spent all night, the night before, preaching. 87 00:06:06,950 --> 00:06:09,595 And I heard God say, "No, don't let go, Bishop." 88 00:06:09,619 --> 00:06:10,619 Amen! 89 00:06:11,580 --> 00:06:12,622 "Hold on." 90 00:06:13,456 --> 00:06:17,687 I hear Him say, "She needs your love." 91 00:06:19,671 --> 00:06:21,006 And it's a tough love. 92 00:06:21,798 --> 00:06:23,341 She don't want to hear it. 93 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,821 It's like I love my kids. I don't care how much that spoon hurts. 94 00:06:28,471 --> 00:06:30,658 Now all the white people are looking at me like, 95 00:06:30,682 --> 00:06:32,243 "That's not how we do discipline." 96 00:06:34,436 --> 00:06:37,623 All the white folk here, they like the nice-talking for the discipline. 97 00:06:37,647 --> 00:06:39,190 "Now, don't do that, Tommy. 98 00:06:39,983 --> 00:06:42,652 Oh, please don't do that, Tommy. Please." 99 00:06:43,236 --> 00:06:44,589 You know, I'm kidding, 100 00:06:44,613 --> 00:06:45,882 because these days, 101 00:06:45,906 --> 00:06:49,760 black people are starting to discipline their kids just like white people do. 102 00:06:49,784 --> 00:06:51,929 The white folk are starting to beat their kids 103 00:06:51,953 --> 00:06:53,723 like the black folk. 104 00:06:53,747 --> 00:06:56,976 Ain't that a blessing? I don't know. Maybe it's a blessing, who knows? 105 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,437 Okay, let's get back into it, okay? 106 00:06:59,461 --> 00:07:01,856 Now, we love because Jesus teaches us to love. 107 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:02,773 Right. 108 00:07:02,797 --> 00:07:04,317 So, I can love my parents. 109 00:07:04,341 --> 00:07:06,944 I can... I can love my children, I can love my wife. 110 00:07:06,968 --> 00:07:09,155 I love you, honey. I can love all of you. 111 00:07:09,179 --> 00:07:12,533 I can love you, and you, and you. I can love this beautiful choir. 112 00:07:13,725 --> 00:07:14,952 I can love this music. 113 00:07:14,976 --> 00:07:18,414 - I love you, Reggie, I do. I love you. - Oh, I love you, too, Bishop. 114 00:07:18,438 --> 00:07:21,918 Jesus said, "I give you the authority to love." 115 00:07:21,942 --> 00:07:24,653 You have been authorized. 116 00:07:25,028 --> 00:07:29,091 You have been anointed and appointed to bring His love. 117 00:07:30,075 --> 00:07:31,201 - Yes! - Yes! 118 00:07:33,536 --> 00:07:35,681 That's why we knock on every door, 119 00:07:35,705 --> 00:07:39,352 turn over every stone, bug people on planes, 120 00:07:39,376 --> 00:07:41,729 pass out tracts, rant and rave, 121 00:07:41,753 --> 00:07:43,648 shake 'em till we save every soul! 122 00:07:43,672 --> 00:07:44,923 We may not like it. 123 00:07:45,590 --> 00:07:49,445 We may be tired or ticked off, but this is what we do. 124 00:07:49,469 --> 00:07:51,530 Look at somebody and say, "This is what we do." 125 00:07:51,554 --> 00:07:55,076 - This is what we do! - Because the world needs to get saved! 126 00:07:55,100 --> 00:07:56,827 The world needs to get saved! 127 00:07:56,851 --> 00:07:58,996 Lift 'em up and say, "Hallelujah!" 128 00:07:59,020 --> 00:08:00,539 Hallelujah! 129 00:08:00,563 --> 00:08:01,749 Say, "I'm a soldier." 130 00:08:01,773 --> 00:08:04,627 - I'm a soldier! - Say, "I'm a soldier!" 131 00:08:04,651 --> 00:08:08,130 - I'm a soldier! - ♪ Hey, I'm a soldier ♪ 132 00:08:08,154 --> 00:08:09,840 ♪ In the army of the Lord ♪ 133 00:08:09,864 --> 00:08:11,801 ♪ I'm a soldier ♪ 134 00:08:11,825 --> 00:08:13,844 ♪ In the army ♪ 135 00:08:13,868 --> 00:08:15,680 ♪ I'm a soldier ♪ 136 00:08:15,704 --> 00:08:17,598 ♪ In the army of the Lord ♪ 137 00:08:17,622 --> 00:08:19,225 ♪ I'm a soldier ♪ 138 00:08:19,249 --> 00:08:21,352 ♪ In the army ♪ 139 00:08:21,376 --> 00:08:23,020 ♪ I'm a soldier ♪ 140 00:08:23,044 --> 00:08:25,189 ♪ In the army of the Lord ♪ 141 00:08:25,213 --> 00:08:26,607 ♪ I'm a soldier ♪ 142 00:08:26,631 --> 00:08:28,401 ♪ In the army ♪ 143 00:08:28,425 --> 00:08:30,403 ♪ If I die, let me die ♪ 144 00:08:30,427 --> 00:08:32,238 ♪ In the army of the Lord ♪ 145 00:08:32,262 --> 00:08:34,156 ♪ If I die, let me die ♪ 146 00:08:34,180 --> 00:08:35,866 ♪ In the army ♪ 147 00:08:35,890 --> 00:08:37,743 ♪ If I die, let me die ♪ 148 00:08:37,767 --> 00:08:39,537 ♪ In the army of the Lord ♪ 149 00:08:39,561 --> 00:08:41,455 ♪ If I die, let me die ♪ 150 00:08:41,479 --> 00:08:43,082 ♪ In the army ♪ 151 00:08:43,106 --> 00:08:45,126 ♪ I got my war clothes on ♪ 152 00:08:45,150 --> 00:08:46,877 ♪ In the army of the Lord ♪ 153 00:08:46,901 --> 00:08:48,963 ♪ I got my war clothes on ♪ 154 00:08:48,987 --> 00:08:50,297 ♪ In the army ♪ 155 00:08:50,321 --> 00:08:52,032 ♪ Yeah, I'm a soldier ♪ 156 00:08:52,657 --> 00:08:54,492 ♪ In the army of the Lord ♪ 157 00:08:56,369 --> 00:08:58,038 ♪ In the army ♪ 158 00:08:58,955 --> 00:09:00,206 ♪ I'm a soldier ♪ 159 00:09:00,749 --> 00:09:02,083 ♪ I'm a soldier ♪ 160 00:09:02,667 --> 00:09:03,918 ♪ I'm a soldier ♪ 161 00:09:04,502 --> 00:09:05,879 ♪ I'm a soldier ♪ 162 00:09:06,463 --> 00:09:07,898 ♪ I'm a soldier ♪ 163 00:09:07,922 --> 00:09:09,340 ♪ I'm a soldier ♪ 164 00:09:09,966 --> 00:09:11,819 ♪ I'm a soldier ♪ 165 00:09:11,843 --> 00:09:13,303 ♪ I'm a soldier ♪ 166 00:09:13,636 --> 00:09:15,698 St. Stephens moved their women's conference 167 00:09:15,722 --> 00:09:17,533 to Friday the 14th. 168 00:09:17,557 --> 00:09:18,784 I can get Julian from school, 169 00:09:18,808 --> 00:09:21,287 but I'm gonna have to move your lunch with Lady Gail. 170 00:09:21,311 --> 00:09:22,312 Sister Gina? 171 00:09:22,812 --> 00:09:24,874 - You left it in the pulpit. - Oh, thank you. 172 00:09:24,898 --> 00:09:27,168 I wanted to talk to you about Friday's class? 173 00:09:27,192 --> 00:09:28,794 - Did you get my message? - I did. 174 00:09:28,818 --> 00:09:30,254 I think it's fine. 175 00:09:30,278 --> 00:09:32,131 Well, no, it's actually... It's just... 176 00:09:32,155 --> 00:09:35,509 if you misquote scripture, people question your teaching. 177 00:09:35,533 --> 00:09:38,244 I thought maybe we could run through it together next week? 178 00:09:39,621 --> 00:09:41,891 - Claire, can you set a time for that? - Yes. 179 00:09:41,915 --> 00:09:42,915 Okay? 180 00:09:43,541 --> 00:09:44,541 Thanks. 181 00:09:50,340 --> 00:09:51,233 You okay? 182 00:09:51,257 --> 00:09:53,676 Yeah, just go on up. I'll be right there. 183 00:09:54,219 --> 00:09:55,219 Okay. 184 00:10:05,063 --> 00:10:07,166 We had a great turnout this morning. 185 00:10:07,190 --> 00:10:08,441 - Full house. - That's great. 186 00:10:09,526 --> 00:10:11,462 That was a beautiful sermon today. 187 00:10:11,486 --> 00:10:12,486 Thank you. 188 00:10:12,695 --> 00:10:14,924 We ought to book you on some transatlantic flights. 189 00:10:14,948 --> 00:10:16,258 You'd get the whole plane saved. 190 00:10:16,282 --> 00:10:19,327 Sounds like you had a productive trip. 191 00:10:25,250 --> 00:10:26,250 Carlton? 192 00:10:27,252 --> 00:10:29,396 You ready? We're scheduled back to back today. 193 00:10:29,420 --> 00:10:30,420 Let's do it. 194 00:10:41,808 --> 00:10:43,452 Da? 195 00:10:43,476 --> 00:10:44,912 Da? 196 00:10:44,936 --> 00:10:45,936 Da? 197 00:10:50,900 --> 00:10:53,319 Okay, Julian. More greens on that plate. 198 00:11:00,618 --> 00:11:01,744 Maj is down. 199 00:11:05,415 --> 00:11:07,226 Do you want me to pack your bag for tomorrow? 200 00:11:07,250 --> 00:11:08,751 No, I already packed, baby. 201 00:11:24,184 --> 00:11:25,393 Empty your pockets, sir. 202 00:11:28,646 --> 00:11:29,646 Step through. 203 00:11:31,858 --> 00:11:32,858 There you go. 204 00:11:36,738 --> 00:11:39,300 Oh, man, it's good to see you. 205 00:11:39,324 --> 00:11:42,219 Tell me, Uncle Quincy. Tell me. I want to know the whole story. 206 00:11:42,243 --> 00:11:43,679 I've been praying a lot. 207 00:11:43,703 --> 00:11:45,246 Yeah, thinking. 208 00:11:46,206 --> 00:11:50,144 I... I guess y'all praying for me actually worked. 209 00:11:51,669 --> 00:11:53,272 They got you a church down here? 210 00:11:53,296 --> 00:11:56,275 Yeah, they got that nice little church. Yeah, about a mile from here. 211 00:11:56,299 --> 00:11:57,610 - Good Shepherd. - Good Shepherd. 212 00:11:57,634 --> 00:11:59,802 Bus pick us up every Sunday. 213 00:12:00,345 --> 00:12:02,239 - Praise God. - Yeah. Praise God. 214 00:12:02,263 --> 00:12:03,240 Six weeks. 215 00:12:03,264 --> 00:12:05,516 Six weeks, you're out, Uncle Quincy. 216 00:12:08,144 --> 00:12:09,144 Yeah. 217 00:12:11,022 --> 00:12:12,273 There's something else. 218 00:12:14,359 --> 00:12:15,902 They found drugs in my room. 219 00:12:16,694 --> 00:12:19,155 It wasn't mine, but that ain't the point. 220 00:12:21,741 --> 00:12:23,785 They're gonna revoke my parole. 221 00:12:24,661 --> 00:12:25,745 Six years. 222 00:12:26,871 --> 00:12:30,375 But my PO tells me you can help. 223 00:12:31,334 --> 00:12:33,920 I mean, if you write a letter to the board... 224 00:12:34,545 --> 00:12:36,023 Who you are and all... 225 00:12:36,047 --> 00:12:38,841 the people you know, maybe they let it slide. 226 00:12:40,635 --> 00:12:42,279 Is this why you asked me here? 227 00:12:42,303 --> 00:12:45,741 - No, it's not why. I told you... - No, you told me you wanted to get saved. 228 00:12:45,765 --> 00:12:47,141 Yeah, I do. 229 00:12:48,851 --> 00:12:51,145 Hey, Carly? Hey, man. 230 00:12:52,188 --> 00:12:54,148 I had this vision. 231 00:12:54,857 --> 00:12:57,193 I mean, it's so clear and beautiful. 232 00:12:57,819 --> 00:12:59,838 When did your PO tell you about this letter? 233 00:12:59,862 --> 00:13:00,947 Oh, Carly. 234 00:13:01,572 --> 00:13:04,575 No, no. When did he tell you about this letter? 235 00:13:08,746 --> 00:13:09,746 Two weeks. 236 00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:12,166 Before you called me? 237 00:13:13,334 --> 00:13:14,395 Six years, Carly. 238 00:13:14,419 --> 00:13:16,814 Doesn't matter if it's six years or sixty. 239 00:13:16,838 --> 00:13:19,692 The way you live, you're going to hell, and that's forever. 240 00:13:19,716 --> 00:13:21,110 Then get me saved. 241 00:13:21,134 --> 00:13:23,720 I can't save you to help you with the parole board. 242 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,224 - It's not the way it works. - Can't do this kind of time anymore, man. 243 00:13:29,392 --> 00:13:32,562 - Hell, I'll be 76 when I get out of here. - I'll come back. 244 00:13:33,604 --> 00:13:34,856 I'll help you through it. 245 00:13:36,774 --> 00:13:38,151 But you got to do the work. 246 00:13:39,527 --> 00:13:41,321 I want to help you, Uncle Quincy. 247 00:13:43,114 --> 00:13:44,114 I do. 248 00:13:46,284 --> 00:13:47,785 This is the only way I know. 249 00:14:01,924 --> 00:14:03,217 Eh... 250 00:14:07,180 --> 00:14:08,973 - I still love you, boy. - Yeah. 251 00:14:11,059 --> 00:14:15,313 I love you, Uncle Quincy. I do. Always, always. 252 00:14:18,274 --> 00:14:20,318 Remember who you get your charm from. 253 00:15:09,951 --> 00:15:12,137 Carlton? You okay? 254 00:15:12,161 --> 00:15:14,664 - Thanks for seeing me, Chief. - God bless you, son. 255 00:15:16,332 --> 00:15:17,226 Richard. 256 00:15:17,250 --> 00:15:18,960 - Good to see you, Carlton. - You too. 257 00:15:20,670 --> 00:15:23,256 Of course, he's your uncle and you love him dearly. 258 00:15:24,215 --> 00:15:26,777 No, it's not just Uncle Quincy, it's... 259 00:15:26,801 --> 00:15:29,137 half the people I grew up with and their kids. 260 00:15:29,971 --> 00:15:34,308 They're all going in the wrong direction, backsliding. 261 00:15:35,476 --> 00:15:36,727 What did I do about it? 262 00:15:39,188 --> 00:15:40,231 I feel like I... 263 00:15:42,483 --> 00:15:45,445 ran from home and spent my life saving people I don't know. 264 00:15:46,195 --> 00:15:47,947 You did not run. 265 00:15:48,739 --> 00:15:51,534 You came here and got into our university... 266 00:15:52,410 --> 00:15:54,620 and you dedicated your life to God. 267 00:15:55,121 --> 00:15:56,747 But I understand how you feel, 268 00:15:57,540 --> 00:16:01,127 thinking of all those you love but were unable to save. 269 00:16:02,462 --> 00:16:05,548 When Ronnie died, I felt just the way you do now. 270 00:16:05,882 --> 00:16:07,675 Helpless and guilty. 271 00:16:08,843 --> 00:16:11,596 But what in heaven's name was I gonna do? 272 00:16:12,346 --> 00:16:15,725 How could I ever accept a gay son? 273 00:16:17,226 --> 00:16:21,081 And you know, when we got the news that Ronnie had killed himself... 274 00:16:21,105 --> 00:16:24,042 more than the awful, awful guilt I felt 275 00:16:24,066 --> 00:16:26,712 was the fact that I had spent my whole life 276 00:16:26,736 --> 00:16:30,507 healing people and getting people saved at the Crusades and on television 277 00:16:30,531 --> 00:16:34,076 and I could not bring my own son to deliverance. 278 00:16:34,702 --> 00:16:37,371 I prayed and prayed for answers. 279 00:16:37,872 --> 00:16:40,708 It was the greatest test of my faith, ever. 280 00:16:41,334 --> 00:16:44,378 And when I came to understand that it was a test... 281 00:16:46,422 --> 00:16:48,382 then I was made stronger than ever. 282 00:16:50,092 --> 00:16:52,011 Thank heaven, God gave me you. 283 00:16:53,262 --> 00:16:55,806 I've always thought of you as a son, Carlton. 284 00:16:56,349 --> 00:16:57,910 That's what I tell folks. 285 00:16:57,934 --> 00:16:59,393 You're my black son. 286 00:17:00,978 --> 00:17:02,539 What year'd you get here, in '70? 287 00:17:02,563 --> 00:17:04,732 - Seventy-one. - Seventy-one. 288 00:17:05,525 --> 00:17:09,820 The Holy Spirit drew me to you the moment I saw you. Praise God. 289 00:17:10,238 --> 00:17:12,782 And one day, maybe soon, 290 00:17:13,407 --> 00:17:15,117 the good Lord will call me home. 291 00:17:15,826 --> 00:17:19,413 But my comfort and my joy is knowing... 292 00:17:20,373 --> 00:17:22,166 that you're here to lead the way. 293 00:17:22,792 --> 00:17:23,792 Yes. 294 00:17:25,962 --> 00:17:28,982 I don't see how you expect us to pull something like that together, Carlton. 295 00:17:29,006 --> 00:17:32,194 Look, just make a list of all the cities I guest-preached at last year 296 00:17:32,218 --> 00:17:33,820 and we take the pageant to every one. 297 00:17:33,844 --> 00:17:36,823 I'm sorry, the entire choir and band? You know how much that would cost? 298 00:17:36,847 --> 00:17:39,451 Well, you know I can do arrangements for a smaller choir, right? 299 00:17:39,475 --> 00:17:41,620 And we could just use the local church band. 300 00:17:41,644 --> 00:17:43,830 Guys, I already have accounting on my back about Azusa. 301 00:17:43,854 --> 00:17:46,583 - We're incredibly over budget, Carlton. - I'm sorry, Henry, 302 00:17:46,607 --> 00:17:48,377 I can't care about that. 303 00:17:48,401 --> 00:17:50,295 - It's Ben. - Tell him I'll call back. 304 00:17:50,319 --> 00:17:52,548 Do me a favor. Would you rub his shoulders? 305 00:17:52,572 --> 00:17:54,365 Do something. 306 00:17:54,782 --> 00:17:57,177 We need to keep growing, not rolling back. 307 00:17:57,201 --> 00:17:58,971 Nobody's saying we need to roll back. 308 00:17:58,995 --> 00:18:01,056 We're shuffling sheep, but it's all the same flock. 309 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,249 If we're not reaching more people, then I don't know. 310 00:18:03,833 --> 00:18:07,521 - You want some more maple syrup? - Sorry, my car wouldn't start. 311 00:18:07,545 --> 00:18:08,838 Got here as soon as I could. 312 00:18:09,672 --> 00:18:13,485 All right, so this is the one the ad people like. 313 00:18:13,509 --> 00:18:16,178 It's a mock-up, but you get the idea. 314 00:18:21,517 --> 00:18:22,560 Looks good. 315 00:18:25,646 --> 00:18:26,646 No? 316 00:18:28,941 --> 00:18:30,401 The tears are a bit much. 317 00:18:30,901 --> 00:18:32,862 And your head, it's too big for the wording. 318 00:18:33,362 --> 00:18:35,698 You should make the wording bigger and move it over. 319 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,326 Or you could make your head smaller. 320 00:18:39,410 --> 00:18:43,080 Yeah, Ms. Pearson, I don't think we can make his head any smaller. It's... 321 00:18:46,876 --> 00:18:49,187 I'm only saying what no one else has the nerve to. 322 00:18:49,211 --> 00:18:53,090 - You're making everybody uncomfortable. - You mean, I'm making you uncomfortable? 323 00:18:54,717 --> 00:18:56,218 You need to let go of Nicky. 324 00:18:56,761 --> 00:18:58,822 She's not organized, Carlton. You said it yourself. 325 00:18:58,846 --> 00:19:00,282 She's late more than half the time. 326 00:19:00,306 --> 00:19:02,492 I can't fire people 'cause you don't like 'em. 327 00:19:02,516 --> 00:19:05,329 She's a single mom. She's late because she's juggling a lot. 328 00:19:05,353 --> 00:19:07,539 And chasing me around with my stupid hats? 329 00:19:07,563 --> 00:19:08,898 You left it on stage. 330 00:19:09,690 --> 00:19:12,085 You left another one in the parking lot. Was that last week? 331 00:19:12,109 --> 00:19:14,737 - I hate those hats. - Then don't wear them, Gina. 332 00:19:16,447 --> 00:19:17,698 What're we talking about? 333 00:19:38,094 --> 00:19:39,094 Hello? 334 00:19:40,012 --> 00:19:41,012 Ma? 335 00:19:41,806 --> 00:19:43,974 Yeah, Ma, slow down. What happened? 336 00:19:45,017 --> 00:19:46,017 What? 337 00:19:47,353 --> 00:19:48,437 What happened? 338 00:19:50,731 --> 00:19:52,441 My Uncle Quincy hung himself. 339 00:19:58,739 --> 00:19:59,739 Yeah... 340 00:20:02,118 --> 00:20:03,118 Yeah, okay. 341 00:20:10,126 --> 00:20:12,211 In some ways, Quincy raised us. 342 00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:16,882 Helped me raise money to go to college. 343 00:20:17,425 --> 00:20:18,759 Some from this church. 344 00:20:20,636 --> 00:20:24,157 I sometimes wondered where the rest of the money came from. 345 00:20:25,725 --> 00:20:27,327 We all know he had his schemes. 346 00:20:29,478 --> 00:20:31,397 But he was always making people laugh. 347 00:20:32,690 --> 00:20:36,318 He'd always say, "Remember who you get your charm from." 348 00:20:39,405 --> 00:20:40,823 He never found God. 349 00:20:43,367 --> 00:20:44,577 He never found God. 350 00:20:45,578 --> 00:20:46,704 But I pray for him. 351 00:20:48,998 --> 00:20:50,207 I pray for his soul. 352 00:21:02,803 --> 00:21:06,932 It was good, what you said about Quincy. He would have appreciated it. 353 00:21:07,975 --> 00:21:10,746 I didn't realize how many stories I had. 354 00:21:10,770 --> 00:21:13,665 I almost told the one about the time he took me and Elector to the track. 355 00:21:13,689 --> 00:21:15,417 At the man's memorial? 356 00:21:15,441 --> 00:21:17,210 It's one of my favorites, Ma. 357 00:21:17,234 --> 00:21:19,880 Ooh, I was so mad at him for that. 358 00:21:19,904 --> 00:21:22,823 I never screamed so much in my life, that horse came in. 359 00:21:24,992 --> 00:21:28,263 Then I had to come back and tell you what I'd won. 360 00:21:28,287 --> 00:21:31,516 Elector knew how to keep a secret better than you did. 361 00:21:31,540 --> 00:21:34,019 You were all, "God sees everything." 362 00:21:34,043 --> 00:21:35,043 Mm-hmm. 363 00:21:35,628 --> 00:21:38,732 - You told me I wasn't going to heaven. - You were gambling. 364 00:21:38,756 --> 00:21:40,859 I was six years old, Ma. 365 00:21:40,883 --> 00:21:43,969 - You scared me half to death. - Well, it worked. 366 00:21:51,352 --> 00:21:54,146 - You know I went to visit him, right? - Yeah. 367 00:21:54,855 --> 00:21:55,855 He told me. 368 00:21:57,066 --> 00:21:59,026 Said he was happy to see you. 369 00:22:02,446 --> 00:22:04,326 He wanted me to write him a letter. He tell you? 370 00:22:05,574 --> 00:22:07,952 No, what letter? 371 00:22:08,494 --> 00:22:09,745 For the Prison Board. 372 00:22:10,996 --> 00:22:12,540 Vouching for him, I guess. 373 00:22:13,916 --> 00:22:17,062 He said he messed up and they were gonna revoke his parole, 374 00:22:17,086 --> 00:22:19,922 but if I... if I wrote this letter, they'd let him out. 375 00:22:21,966 --> 00:22:22,966 I said no. 376 00:22:25,219 --> 00:22:26,220 Why? 377 00:22:28,556 --> 00:22:30,182 Letter wasn't the point. 378 00:22:30,975 --> 00:22:34,395 He called me down there to get him saved, but he wasn't ready. 379 00:22:35,271 --> 00:22:37,189 I told him I'd come back and he... 380 00:22:39,108 --> 00:22:40,568 He just needed more time. 381 00:22:42,027 --> 00:22:43,027 More time? 382 00:22:47,700 --> 00:22:49,493 He was 70 years old. 383 00:23:08,053 --> 00:23:09,823 They've survived the war 384 00:23:09,847 --> 00:23:12,349 and traveled hundreds of miles to get here. 385 00:23:26,614 --> 00:23:29,426 It's a scene that typifies the Western response 386 00:23:29,450 --> 00:23:31,261 to the Rwanda crises. 387 00:23:31,285 --> 00:23:35,331 Few people with few resources, o verwhelmed by millions. 388 00:23:35,873 --> 00:23:40,020 The UN puts the death toll of this genocide at 800,000, 389 00:23:40,044 --> 00:23:41,897 almost half of them children. 390 00:23:41,921 --> 00:23:45,692 And doctors fear that if the situation doesn't quickly improve, 391 00:23:45,716 --> 00:23:48,719 many thousands more will die here in the coming weeks. 392 00:23:49,178 --> 00:23:50,971 As one medic we spoke to said, 393 00:23:51,889 --> 00:23:54,642 "Either there's hope, or there's nothing." 394 00:23:55,392 --> 00:23:56,936 We've asked the medics.... 395 00:24:13,494 --> 00:24:15,913 Oh, Lord. Help me. 396 00:24:17,122 --> 00:24:19,375 God... why? 397 00:24:25,339 --> 00:24:26,840 I don't understand. 398 00:24:27,257 --> 00:24:28,276 God... 399 00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:29,718 Oh, my... 400 00:24:33,764 --> 00:24:35,349 God, I don't know... 401 00:24:38,686 --> 00:24:41,355 But I still believe. I do. 402 00:24:43,816 --> 00:24:45,293 I said, "God, I don't know 403 00:24:45,317 --> 00:24:47,837 how you can call yourself a loving, sovereign God 404 00:24:47,861 --> 00:24:49,780 and let these people suffer like this. 405 00:24:50,239 --> 00:24:51,240 Oh, God. 406 00:24:52,074 --> 00:24:53,742 None of them are saved. 407 00:24:55,077 --> 00:24:56,412 They don't know Christ. 408 00:24:57,079 --> 00:24:58,330 They're not born again. 409 00:24:59,957 --> 00:25:03,895 And when they die, you just suck 'em down into hell. 410 00:25:03,919 --> 00:25:05,004 Oh, God. 411 00:25:06,422 --> 00:25:07,631 Oh, my God... 412 00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:17,993 And then I heard a voice, 413 00:25:18,017 --> 00:25:19,852 as clear as my own, say... 414 00:25:20,936 --> 00:25:22,187 "Is that what you think? 415 00:25:23,147 --> 00:25:26,483 That we're sucking them all down into hell when they die?" I said, "Yes." 416 00:25:27,776 --> 00:25:29,778 And He said, "What would you do about that?" 417 00:25:30,988 --> 00:25:33,550 - I said, "Well, we got to get 'em saved." - That's right. 418 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,952 Got to speak the gospel to them. 419 00:25:38,620 --> 00:25:41,307 Then He said, "Well, if that's what you think will get 'em saved, 420 00:25:41,331 --> 00:25:42,767 then put your baby down, 421 00:25:42,791 --> 00:25:44,668 turn off your big screen TV, 422 00:25:45,294 --> 00:25:48,023 and get on the first thing smoking, and get 'em saved." 423 00:25:52,718 --> 00:25:55,012 I said, "God, don't put that guilt on me. 424 00:25:55,596 --> 00:25:58,223 I've given you the best 40 years of my life. 425 00:26:00,100 --> 00:26:02,061 Besides, I can't save the whole world." 426 00:26:03,353 --> 00:26:04,855 And He said, "Precisely. 427 00:26:07,441 --> 00:26:09,109 You can't save this world. 428 00:26:11,445 --> 00:26:12,654 That's what we did." 429 00:26:16,325 --> 00:26:19,244 Oh, stay with me. Stay with me. 430 00:26:20,537 --> 00:26:22,998 All my life, I've been taught it. 431 00:26:24,208 --> 00:26:27,086 Everything I know points to a choice, heaven or hell. 432 00:26:27,878 --> 00:26:29,338 Many people I loved... 433 00:26:30,756 --> 00:26:33,359 members of my own family went to hell, and they're there for good. 434 00:26:33,383 --> 00:26:34,778 Now, I could never reconcile that, 435 00:26:34,802 --> 00:26:36,804 but I do accept it, because they had a choice. 436 00:26:39,598 --> 00:26:42,309 But when did these people in Africa separate from God? 437 00:26:44,144 --> 00:26:45,604 When did they make a choice? 438 00:26:47,981 --> 00:26:49,650 And how do they get saved? 439 00:26:52,945 --> 00:26:55,114 And He said, "They don't need to get saved. 440 00:26:57,616 --> 00:26:59,076 They're already saved. 441 00:27:00,452 --> 00:27:02,454 And I've taken them into my presence. 442 00:27:04,998 --> 00:27:06,708 They will all be with me... 443 00:27:09,128 --> 00:27:10,146 in heaven." 444 00:27:16,218 --> 00:27:18,947 You get up there and you tell 6,000 people, 445 00:27:18,971 --> 00:27:20,949 people who depend on your council, 446 00:27:20,973 --> 00:27:23,910 that everything they believe, and 2,000 years of history, is wrong? 447 00:27:23,934 --> 00:27:25,703 That's not what I said. 448 00:27:25,727 --> 00:27:29,082 Okay, can you explain what you did say, because I don't think I understand. 449 00:27:29,106 --> 00:27:31,150 I know it's confusing, Henry, but... 450 00:27:31,733 --> 00:27:34,403 I felt God's love and I heard His voice. 451 00:27:36,572 --> 00:27:38,675 Carlton, if those people in Africa, 452 00:27:38,699 --> 00:27:41,052 Catholics, Muslims, if they're all saved, 453 00:27:41,076 --> 00:27:42,995 does that mean that everyone is saved? 454 00:27:43,912 --> 00:27:45,956 Everyone gets a pass, however they live? 455 00:27:46,582 --> 00:27:49,168 - Homosexuals, murderers, rapists? - I don't know. 456 00:27:49,751 --> 00:27:50,751 I don't know. 457 00:27:51,670 --> 00:27:54,923 But God isn't sending those people in Africa to hell. 458 00:27:56,133 --> 00:27:58,319 A loving God lets people choose. 459 00:27:58,343 --> 00:28:01,739 That's scripture, right? That's the good news. 460 00:28:01,763 --> 00:28:04,308 - If we "choose" to seek God. - Those people, too? 461 00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:08,204 - I can't believe you and I are having... - Oh, I'm asking. 462 00:28:08,228 --> 00:28:10,498 Yeah, yes. Those people, too. 463 00:28:10,522 --> 00:28:12,292 Dying of Cholera and famine, 464 00:28:12,316 --> 00:28:15,753 the mothers watching their kids die in dirt fields in the middle of nowhere? 465 00:28:15,777 --> 00:28:17,755 Wherever they're at. Okay? 466 00:28:17,779 --> 00:28:19,966 Wherever they're at, in whatever corner of the world, 467 00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:22,784 if they are truly seeking God, they will find Him. 468 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,014 Through a missionary, through a dream, through a vision. 469 00:28:26,038 --> 00:28:28,624 One way or another, they will be brought to Christ. 470 00:28:29,374 --> 00:28:30,834 And you're sure about that? 471 00:28:31,210 --> 00:28:33,104 It's the Gospel of Jesus Christ. 472 00:28:33,128 --> 00:28:37,007 It's the same gospel that you've been preaching for 25 years. 473 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,015 Why didn't you call me? 474 00:28:48,435 --> 00:28:51,855 Or call a meeting? Just take a minute before you get up there? 475 00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:56,568 Just... come on, you owe me that much. 476 00:29:08,997 --> 00:29:11,667 I don't know how long. A few days, maybe. 477 00:29:13,460 --> 00:29:16,564 I'm only asking because I need to figure out what to tell Julian. 478 00:29:16,588 --> 00:29:18,399 He's old enough to know something's wrong. 479 00:29:18,423 --> 00:29:19,508 Tell him the truth. 480 00:29:20,259 --> 00:29:22,552 I need time to fast and pray. 481 00:29:25,764 --> 00:29:26,765 I'll be home soon. 482 00:29:30,811 --> 00:29:33,957 Not even Bishop Pearson to reinterpret God's word. 483 00:29:33,981 --> 00:29:36,668 Say what you want about what he's preaching right now... 484 00:29:36,692 --> 00:29:38,044 you gotta give this man credit. 485 00:29:38,068 --> 00:29:40,255 He has done a lot for the Pentecostal movement. 486 00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:42,632 Look, I don't want anybody to go to hell, 487 00:29:42,656 --> 00:29:45,009 however, the Bible declares, on Judgment Day, 488 00:29:45,033 --> 00:29:48,221 "He will judge the secrets of all men's hearts." 489 00:29:48,245 --> 00:29:51,140 And all men are saved, whether they believe it or not. 490 00:29:51,164 --> 00:29:53,935 That's just not... No. But here's the basis of our unity. 491 00:29:53,959 --> 00:29:58,147 We all become sons and daughters of God through the shed blood of Jesus. 492 00:29:58,171 --> 00:30:00,233 Which is what Bishop Pearson is saying. 493 00:30:00,257 --> 00:30:02,902 He is saying the same thing that you just said. 494 00:30:02,926 --> 00:30:06,864 I want everybody in heaven, because that's what the love of God ought to be. 495 00:30:06,888 --> 00:30:10,600 I love him, but he is absolutely wrong. 496 00:30:11,435 --> 00:30:15,164 Because if you are to refute the Bible that you grew up on... 497 00:30:15,188 --> 00:30:16,708 - You good? - I'll call you. 498 00:30:16,732 --> 00:30:19,210 If you are to say now that the word has fallacy, 499 00:30:19,234 --> 00:30:21,504 then every person who came to Azusa, 500 00:30:21,528 --> 00:30:23,172 you owe a refund. 501 00:30:23,196 --> 00:30:25,550 Every person who bought your CD, 502 00:30:25,574 --> 00:30:29,512 you ought to give them their money back, because your name has become great... 503 00:30:29,536 --> 00:30:31,204 Let them see... 504 00:30:32,247 --> 00:30:33,373 the purity... 505 00:30:37,502 --> 00:30:38,545 Oh, Lord. 506 00:30:39,504 --> 00:30:41,840 Oh, please, God. 507 00:30:43,258 --> 00:30:44,426 Oh, Lord. 508 00:30:46,261 --> 00:30:48,764 Oh, Lord, help me, please. 509 00:30:50,182 --> 00:30:52,768 If you had been there, then you would understand the context. 510 00:30:53,143 --> 00:30:54,853 Don? Yes. 511 00:30:55,687 --> 00:30:57,105 Don? Hey, Don... 512 00:30:57,689 --> 00:30:59,042 Just listen to me for one second. 513 00:30:59,066 --> 00:31:01,919 No, he did not stop believing in hell overnight. 514 00:31:04,071 --> 00:31:06,424 Because they're trying to draw in viewers. 515 00:31:06,448 --> 00:31:07,448 Henry! 516 00:31:07,866 --> 00:31:09,785 It's Ramsey, from the Christian Press. 517 00:31:11,536 --> 00:31:14,831 Well, okay. How about this? I invite you to come see for yourself. 518 00:31:16,666 --> 00:31:17,793 Okay, thank you. 519 00:31:32,307 --> 00:31:33,975 - Henry. - Hey, Gina. 520 00:31:34,476 --> 00:31:35,703 Carlton's not home. 521 00:31:35,727 --> 00:31:39,582 I know. I was actually... I was hoping that I might be able to talk to you. 522 00:31:39,606 --> 00:31:40,792 Can I come in? 523 00:31:40,816 --> 00:31:42,401 Yeah. Please. 524 00:31:47,197 --> 00:31:49,658 I honestly don't know where he's going with this. 525 00:31:52,577 --> 00:31:54,454 I also don't know where he's coming from. 526 00:31:55,705 --> 00:31:57,916 Did something happen between the two of you? 527 00:31:59,418 --> 00:32:02,563 - Excuse me? - I'm sorry. I don't mean to pry. 528 00:32:02,587 --> 00:32:04,965 No. No, nothing happened. 529 00:32:06,133 --> 00:32:09,070 Nothing new, anyway. He doesn't really talk to me, Henry. 530 00:32:09,094 --> 00:32:10,762 I think you know how things are. 531 00:32:12,472 --> 00:32:13,472 I do. 532 00:32:16,726 --> 00:32:19,938 Carlton was married to the church long before I ever came along. 533 00:32:21,857 --> 00:32:24,151 You know what Oral said to me when we first met? 534 00:32:24,943 --> 00:32:26,212 He said... 535 00:32:26,236 --> 00:32:29,406 He said, "Get married and the love will come." 536 00:32:30,574 --> 00:32:31,968 Carlton loves you. 537 00:32:31,992 --> 00:32:34,411 Oh, I know. And I love him. 538 00:32:34,744 --> 00:32:37,497 But this was practically an arranged marriage. 539 00:32:38,832 --> 00:32:41,561 Single, 40-year-old man, leading a family church 540 00:32:41,585 --> 00:32:43,896 and all the women throwing themselves at him. 541 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,048 It's no wonder he chose me. I'm an outsider. 542 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,280 The balcony practically cleared out after he got married. 543 00:32:52,304 --> 00:32:54,574 We used to joke that you'd be the ruin of the church. 544 00:32:54,598 --> 00:32:56,141 I heard those jokes. 545 00:32:59,269 --> 00:33:02,022 I know I'm not the first lady ya'll were expecting. 546 00:33:11,781 --> 00:33:12,781 Speak to him? 547 00:33:14,034 --> 00:33:15,285 See if you get anywhere. 548 00:33:16,161 --> 00:33:17,161 Please. 549 00:33:22,876 --> 00:33:25,962 - Everybody's nervous. - You speak to Henry? 550 00:33:26,505 --> 00:33:28,566 Yeah, this morning. Um... 551 00:33:28,590 --> 00:33:32,093 He just wanted to know if we talked and if anything had changed. 552 00:33:32,802 --> 00:33:35,072 He put out a notice telling everybody just to, you know, 553 00:33:35,096 --> 00:33:37,474 be patient and everything will get cleared up. 554 00:33:38,767 --> 00:33:39,809 What about you? 555 00:33:41,061 --> 00:33:43,331 Well, Bishop, I'll stand with you through whatever. 556 00:33:43,355 --> 00:33:45,815 No, I mean what did you think about what I said? 557 00:33:46,691 --> 00:33:49,402 Well, I mean, I liked it when you were saying it. 558 00:33:50,529 --> 00:33:51,529 I mean... 559 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,157 I've always been terrified of hell. 560 00:33:54,991 --> 00:33:59,013 You know, but Henry's saying we could really lose people if you keep going on... 561 00:33:59,037 --> 00:34:00,664 Henry worries too much. 562 00:34:02,207 --> 00:34:06,562 Bishop, I don't know what I would do without this church, okay? 563 00:34:06,586 --> 00:34:09,422 - What're you talking about? - This is all I got. 564 00:34:12,467 --> 00:34:13,677 You're stronger now. 565 00:34:17,681 --> 00:34:19,825 You got your demons, same as me, same as anybody. 566 00:34:19,849 --> 00:34:22,036 Yeah, but we know that it ain't really all the same. 567 00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:23,853 You fight it the same way. 568 00:34:26,940 --> 00:34:27,833 You know... 569 00:34:27,857 --> 00:34:31,361 You know how many times my mama tried to get me delivered back home? 570 00:34:32,571 --> 00:34:34,447 You may never be fully delivered. 571 00:34:36,408 --> 00:34:39,578 But being gay and doing gay ain't the same thing. 572 00:34:41,871 --> 00:34:43,456 It's how you live that matters. 573 00:34:46,042 --> 00:34:48,003 You stay with God, He'll stay with you. 574 00:34:49,879 --> 00:34:51,798 He'll keep you strong and healthy. 575 00:35:04,603 --> 00:35:05,788 - Hello. - Two? 576 00:35:05,812 --> 00:35:07,123 - No, we're meeting friends. - Oh. 577 00:35:07,147 --> 00:35:08,773 - There... there they are. - Go ahead. 578 00:35:09,482 --> 00:35:10,692 I cut my trip short. 579 00:35:12,068 --> 00:35:13,796 - You didn't have to. - Yes, I did. 580 00:35:13,820 --> 00:35:15,155 I did have to. 581 00:35:15,864 --> 00:35:18,283 And I'm hoping that you've come to your senses. 582 00:35:20,744 --> 00:35:22,370 Nothing's changed, Chief. 583 00:35:23,872 --> 00:35:27,125 - If anything, it's clearer to me now. - Clearer to you? 584 00:35:28,335 --> 00:35:32,189 Would you excuse us, Richard? Just give us a moment, please? 585 00:35:32,213 --> 00:35:33,733 - You too, son. You mind? - No. 586 00:35:33,757 --> 00:35:35,693 Thanks so much, I appreciate it. 587 00:35:35,717 --> 00:35:36,717 We won't be long. 588 00:35:39,804 --> 00:35:42,491 Carlton, what is going on? 589 00:35:44,309 --> 00:35:48,355 You know, I wake up every morning and I expect to feel like my old self. 590 00:35:49,189 --> 00:35:51,792 To feel the need to go out there and save people, but I... 591 00:35:51,816 --> 00:35:53,193 I don't. 592 00:35:54,361 --> 00:35:57,405 I-I don't. I feel... I feel free of that. 593 00:35:57,822 --> 00:36:01,534 First, I thought it was just those people in Africa, but it's not. It's everybody. 594 00:36:02,285 --> 00:36:05,306 Everybody. His blood covered everybody. 595 00:36:05,330 --> 00:36:07,165 No, that's heresy, son. 596 00:36:10,543 --> 00:36:12,879 - Chief... - It is heresy, believe me. 597 00:36:13,505 --> 00:36:15,131 Now, listen to me, please. 598 00:36:15,465 --> 00:36:18,277 I watched you build your church and your ministry, 599 00:36:18,301 --> 00:36:20,237 and nothing filled me with more pride 600 00:36:20,261 --> 00:36:22,657 than to see how quickly they came to see you. 601 00:36:22,681 --> 00:36:25,242 Blacks and whites together, that's a very rare thing. 602 00:36:25,266 --> 00:36:27,953 And now, you've got the television broadcast 603 00:36:27,977 --> 00:36:30,831 with a whole lot more people listening to you. 604 00:36:30,855 --> 00:36:32,958 So, I need to ask you one question, son. 605 00:36:32,982 --> 00:36:34,359 And think about this. 606 00:36:34,776 --> 00:36:37,612 Are you certain it was God's voice you heard? 607 00:36:40,281 --> 00:36:41,991 You know how the devil works. 608 00:36:42,367 --> 00:36:45,096 You saw your uncle die, unsaved. 609 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,873 He saw you weak and vulnerable, and told you what you wanted to hear. 610 00:36:49,916 --> 00:36:53,979 If everyone you love cannot enter the kingdom through the narrow gate, 611 00:36:54,003 --> 00:36:56,524 he will widen that gate to accommodate them. 612 00:36:56,548 --> 00:36:59,259 It makes sense because he makes it make sense. 613 00:36:59,676 --> 00:37:02,863 Satan's a snake. He's a ventriloquist. 614 00:37:02,887 --> 00:37:04,889 And he chose to speak through you. 615 00:37:05,432 --> 00:37:07,868 But if you continue to lead people down this path, 616 00:37:07,892 --> 00:37:11,813 it's not only your eternal salvation you're putting at risk, it's theirs, too. 617 00:37:12,355 --> 00:37:14,983 And that's Satan's victory, so I ask you again, son, 618 00:37:15,734 --> 00:37:19,362 are you certain it was God's voice you heard and not the devil? 619 00:37:23,074 --> 00:37:25,803 You need to consider everything you're putting at risk, 620 00:37:25,827 --> 00:37:27,328 and not just for yourself. 621 00:37:29,038 --> 00:37:33,626 We can go and reason things out later, but first, we need to fix this. 622 00:37:34,377 --> 00:37:37,106 We'll write something together right here, right now. 623 00:37:37,130 --> 00:37:39,382 And come Sunday, you'll make all this right. 624 00:37:41,718 --> 00:37:42,718 All right. 625 00:37:43,595 --> 00:37:44,804 Now, lookie here. 626 00:37:45,263 --> 00:37:48,558 I was taking some notes and I'm going to suggest that you... 627 00:37:49,142 --> 00:37:51,728 consider Romans 10:9. 628 00:37:52,395 --> 00:37:55,190 I know you're familiar with it. I've heard you preach on it. 629 00:37:55,648 --> 00:37:56,648 All right. 630 00:37:57,525 --> 00:38:02,071 I want you to consider that, and also consider preparing... 631 00:38:23,051 --> 00:38:24,177 Henry came by. 632 00:38:26,387 --> 00:38:28,515 Why? He knew where I was. 633 00:38:30,642 --> 00:38:31,976 He came to talk to me. 634 00:38:35,355 --> 00:38:37,565 He thinks you're having a nervous breakdown. 635 00:38:45,573 --> 00:38:46,908 What did Oral say? 636 00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:52,413 He wants me to recant. 637 00:38:53,748 --> 00:38:55,083 Is that what you're gonna do? 638 00:38:58,962 --> 00:39:00,547 Do you believe God spoke to me? 639 00:39:04,342 --> 00:39:07,488 Well, what does it matter what I think or what anyone thinks? 640 00:39:07,512 --> 00:39:08,596 Matters to me. 641 00:39:09,305 --> 00:39:10,305 Oh? 642 00:39:12,267 --> 00:39:13,268 Since when? 643 00:39:17,063 --> 00:39:19,416 Henry wants to know about our home, 644 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,127 and if I'll talk some sense into you, and you're looking at me for, 645 00:39:22,151 --> 00:39:24,338 - I don't know what. - Why are you angry? 646 00:39:24,362 --> 00:39:26,364 Because you believed it. 647 00:39:26,948 --> 00:39:28,074 You were sure. 648 00:39:29,534 --> 00:39:30,702 It's not that simple. 649 00:39:31,911 --> 00:39:34,372 God spoke to you or he didn't. 650 00:39:34,664 --> 00:39:37,977 And everyone else, Oral and Henry and the church, 651 00:39:38,001 --> 00:39:40,437 they have nothing to do with whether it's true or not. 652 00:39:40,461 --> 00:39:42,982 - It's easy for you, Gina. - How is it easy for me? 653 00:39:43,006 --> 00:39:45,568 Because I'm responsible for a lot of things and a lot of people, 654 00:39:45,592 --> 00:39:48,487 including you and Julian and Majesty... 655 00:39:48,511 --> 00:39:50,573 You'd just as soon see the church go up in smoke. 656 00:39:50,597 --> 00:39:52,056 You said it yourself. 657 00:39:52,974 --> 00:39:53,974 Wow. 658 00:39:54,392 --> 00:39:55,870 The lawyer? You wanna go there? 659 00:39:55,894 --> 00:39:58,313 You're really gonna bring that up right now, Carlton? 660 00:40:00,899 --> 00:40:04,611 The only reason I spoke to him was so that maybe you would listen. 661 00:40:06,195 --> 00:40:08,406 Maybe you would notice I was in the room. 662 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,512 I had children for you and for this church. 663 00:40:13,536 --> 00:40:15,955 Carlton, why would I want to see it go up in smoke? 664 00:40:17,206 --> 00:40:20,043 I thought being with you meant standing with God. 665 00:40:21,711 --> 00:40:24,547 I thought it meant being a part of something meaningful. 666 00:40:43,024 --> 00:40:46,903 ♪ Well, I wish somebody's soul would ♪ 667 00:40:47,278 --> 00:40:48,821 ♪ Catch on fire ♪ 668 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:50,591 ♪ Catch on fire ♪ 669 00:40:50,615 --> 00:40:52,843 - ♪ Catch on fire ♪ - ♪ Catch on fire ♪ 670 00:40:52,867 --> 00:40:55,262 ♪ I wish somebody's soul would ♪ 671 00:40:55,286 --> 00:40:56,597 ♪ Catch on fire ♪ 672 00:40:56,621 --> 00:41:00,017 - ♪ Burn ♪ - ♪ Burn with the Holy Ghost ♪ 673 00:41:00,041 --> 00:41:03,312 ♪ Oh, I wish somebody's soul would ♪ 674 00:41:03,336 --> 00:41:04,813 ♪ Catch on fire ♪ 675 00:41:04,837 --> 00:41:06,482 - ♪ Catch on ♪ - ♪ Catch on fire ♪ 676 00:41:06,506 --> 00:41:08,692 - ♪ Catch on fire ♪ - ♪ Catch on fire ♪ 677 00:41:08,716 --> 00:41:11,028 ♪ I wish somebody's soul would ♪ 678 00:41:11,052 --> 00:41:12,929 ♪ Catch on fire ♪ 679 00:41:13,304 --> 00:41:15,848 ♪ Burn with the Holy Ghost ♪ 680 00:41:26,901 --> 00:41:27,920 Is Oral here? 681 00:41:27,944 --> 00:41:28,944 Not yet. 682 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,759 When he gets here, show him to the front, would you? 683 00:41:33,783 --> 00:41:34,783 Sure. 684 00:41:36,577 --> 00:41:39,306 ♪ ...is in this place ♪ 685 00:41:39,330 --> 00:41:40,683 ♪ Yes, the presence... ♪ 686 00:41:40,707 --> 00:41:44,937 - ♪ Yes, the presence of the Lord... ♪ - ♪ Hallelujah ♪ 687 00:41:44,961 --> 00:41:47,314 ♪ Is in this place ♪ 688 00:41:47,338 --> 00:41:48,881 Come on, just one last time. 689 00:41:59,225 --> 00:42:01,203 Submit your will unto His will. 690 00:42:01,227 --> 00:42:03,539 ♪ Yes ♪ 691 00:42:03,563 --> 00:42:05,565 ♪ Oh, tell Him yes ♪ 692 00:42:05,690 --> 00:42:08,002 ♪ Yes ♪ 693 00:42:08,026 --> 00:42:10,421 ♪ Oh the presence, the presence ♪ 694 00:42:10,445 --> 00:42:14,008 - ♪ The presence of the Lord... ♪ - ♪ Hallelujah ♪ 695 00:42:14,032 --> 00:42:18,244 - ♪ Is in this place ♪ - ♪ Is in this place ♪ 696 00:42:18,745 --> 00:42:23,475 ♪ Yes, the presence of the Lord... ♪ 697 00:42:23,499 --> 00:42:29,064 - ♪Is in this place ♪ - ♪ Is in this place ♪ 698 00:42:29,088 --> 00:42:31,758 ♪ Hallelujah, hallelujah ♪ 699 00:42:38,097 --> 00:42:39,515 Y'all yet holding on? 700 00:42:40,099 --> 00:42:42,602 - Keep on keeping on. - Keep on keeping on. 701 00:42:43,102 --> 00:42:44,997 Turn to somebody and say, "We're still here." 702 00:42:45,021 --> 00:42:46,373 We're still here. 703 00:42:46,397 --> 00:42:48,667 I said look at somebody and say, "We're still here." 704 00:42:48,691 --> 00:42:50,318 We're still here. 705 00:42:51,819 --> 00:42:53,696 I'm gonna get straight into it, okay? 706 00:42:56,741 --> 00:42:58,367 Now, last Sunday, I... 707 00:43:00,078 --> 00:43:03,289 I told you that God spoke to me and... 708 00:43:04,999 --> 00:43:06,751 he told me that all those people... 709 00:43:07,710 --> 00:43:11,881 out there starving and dying in Africa, without being saved... 710 00:43:13,883 --> 00:43:15,301 they're all going to heaven. 711 00:43:17,053 --> 00:43:18,053 Now... 712 00:43:18,429 --> 00:43:19,847 that's quite a statement. 713 00:43:20,223 --> 00:43:23,142 And to come up here and just blurt it out the way I did... 714 00:43:26,020 --> 00:43:27,063 I regret it. 715 00:43:31,067 --> 00:43:32,568 All week, people have been... 716 00:43:34,612 --> 00:43:35,738 talking to me... 717 00:43:37,365 --> 00:43:40,576 and trying to help me understand what I heard and why. 718 00:43:42,578 --> 00:43:45,289 I'm sure many of you've been having those same conversations. 719 00:43:46,165 --> 00:43:49,293 You say, "If they're saved, does that mean everybody's saved?" 720 00:43:51,379 --> 00:43:54,841 And if that's true, if you don't need to accept Jesus, then... 721 00:43:55,466 --> 00:43:56,968 why come to church at all? 722 00:43:58,636 --> 00:44:03,742 And if the Bible says that only those that accept Christ can be saved, 723 00:44:03,766 --> 00:44:06,269 then it all points to one thing. 724 00:44:10,481 --> 00:44:14,068 That it wasn't God's voice I heard. 725 00:44:16,904 --> 00:44:17,947 Something else. 726 00:44:28,958 --> 00:44:30,334 Now Romans... 727 00:44:31,627 --> 00:44:33,647 Romans 10:9 says... 728 00:44:37,592 --> 00:44:39,343 I've been... 729 00:44:40,136 --> 00:44:43,347 I've been reading and praying all week, trying to understand it. 730 00:44:45,016 --> 00:44:47,435 Romans 10:9 says, um... 731 00:44:58,738 --> 00:44:59,738 Henry? 732 00:45:03,326 --> 00:45:05,703 Henry, could you come up here and read something for me? 733 00:45:06,204 --> 00:45:07,205 If you don't mind. 734 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,080 Of course. 735 00:45:12,460 --> 00:45:15,546 It's, um... It's from First John, Chapter Two. 736 00:45:19,175 --> 00:45:20,927 It's there. "My dear children." 737 00:45:25,348 --> 00:45:28,535 "My dear children, I write this so that you will not sin." 738 00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:31,538 "My dear children, I write this so that you will not sin." 739 00:45:31,562 --> 00:45:33,290 "But if anyone does sin, 740 00:45:33,314 --> 00:45:35,959 we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense." 741 00:45:35,983 --> 00:45:37,360 "But if anybody does sin, 742 00:45:37,902 --> 00:45:41,548 then we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense." 743 00:45:41,572 --> 00:45:44,450 "His name is Jesus Christ, the righteous one." 744 00:45:45,368 --> 00:45:48,704 "His name is Jesus Christ, the righteous one," go on. 745 00:45:53,793 --> 00:45:56,545 "And He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins. 746 00:45:58,506 --> 00:46:00,049 But not only for ours..." 747 00:46:01,968 --> 00:46:03,552 "Not only for ours... 748 00:46:05,805 --> 00:46:07,848 but for the sins of the whole world." 749 00:46:11,018 --> 00:46:13,271 It means Jesus died for everybody. 750 00:46:14,522 --> 00:46:16,166 That's the literal meaning. 751 00:46:16,190 --> 00:46:17,984 Everyone's included in the redemption. 752 00:46:18,776 --> 00:46:20,754 Even people that never accepted Christ, 753 00:46:20,778 --> 00:46:23,382 never heard the word of God, never set foot in a church. 754 00:46:23,406 --> 00:46:25,384 All those people in Africa and everybody else. 755 00:46:25,408 --> 00:46:27,410 Everyone's already saved. 756 00:46:28,035 --> 00:46:29,036 And that... 757 00:46:30,705 --> 00:46:32,790 is the finished work of the cross. 758 00:46:34,250 --> 00:46:36,728 - That is not right. - John. 759 00:46:36,752 --> 00:46:38,730 I'm gonna answer your questions. 760 00:46:38,754 --> 00:46:40,899 No. No, no, you can't just rewrite the Bible. 761 00:46:40,923 --> 00:46:43,443 I'm not rewriting anything, I'm just rereading it, John. 762 00:46:43,467 --> 00:46:45,696 No, you speak the word of God in this church! 763 00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:47,698 Sit down! Let him finish. 764 00:46:47,722 --> 00:46:50,033 No. You are a messenger, Bishop. 765 00:46:50,057 --> 00:46:52,202 - Sit down. - Okay, settle down. 766 00:46:52,226 --> 00:46:55,080 - John, Ben, sit down, please. - No, I've had enough of this. 767 00:46:55,104 --> 00:46:57,231 Come on, let's go. You know... 768 00:46:58,190 --> 00:47:00,919 - we built this church. - Okay. 769 00:47:00,943 --> 00:47:01,943 We did! 770 00:47:02,987 --> 00:47:04,113 You remember that. 771 00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:07,843 No, it's okay. Just let 'em leave. 772 00:47:07,867 --> 00:47:09,035 Let 'em leave. 773 00:47:17,376 --> 00:47:19,479 Look, Jesus said study the scriptures diligently 774 00:47:19,503 --> 00:47:21,922 - because they "testify about me." - Amen. 775 00:47:22,506 --> 00:47:24,609 Now, if we do... If we do study them diligently, 776 00:47:24,633 --> 00:47:27,112 then we have to understand there are contradictions. 777 00:47:27,136 --> 00:47:29,990 For all the Bible says, that the only way to heaven is to accept Christ, 778 00:47:30,014 --> 00:47:32,308 there's just as much that says we don't need to. 779 00:47:32,683 --> 00:47:36,145 Now, I just read First John, but it's... it's... 780 00:47:36,771 --> 00:47:39,815 it's in Corinthians. It's in... it's in Timothy. 781 00:47:40,149 --> 00:47:42,526 Peter. Here's Timothy 4:9. 782 00:47:43,402 --> 00:47:44,820 Timothy 4:9. 783 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:51,053 "God is the savior of all mankind, especially those who believe." 784 00:47:51,077 --> 00:47:52,244 And he goes on. 785 00:47:52,661 --> 00:47:53,746 And, uh... 786 00:47:54,330 --> 00:47:56,207 And there's Paul in Corinthians. 787 00:47:56,832 --> 00:47:59,186 - Thank you. - I just reread this last night. 788 00:47:59,210 --> 00:48:03,732 "As in Adam all men die, so in Christ all men shall be made alive." 789 00:48:03,756 --> 00:48:04,799 "All men"! 790 00:48:05,257 --> 00:48:06,342 I can't stay here. 791 00:48:12,890 --> 00:48:16,227 This is the same Bible we've been... we've been reading all our lives. 792 00:48:19,063 --> 00:48:21,291 So, he's saying... I don't understand. 793 00:48:21,315 --> 00:48:22,400 Minnie, I... 794 00:48:23,275 --> 00:48:24,777 Minnie, I know it's hard. 795 00:48:25,069 --> 00:48:26,821 I know it's hard, but... 796 00:48:27,822 --> 00:48:30,801 but you know me well enough to know I'd listen to you or anybody else here. 797 00:48:30,825 --> 00:48:33,744 I'm just asking you to do the same for me now, please. 798 00:48:35,329 --> 00:48:38,707 People have been saying that I... I stopped believing in hell. 799 00:48:39,917 --> 00:48:43,671 And I've been thinking about that and I've been... I've been praying on it. 800 00:48:44,463 --> 00:48:45,965 The God that we worship... 801 00:48:47,716 --> 00:48:50,761 from the parts of this Bible that we focus on... 802 00:48:53,013 --> 00:48:54,473 that God is a monster. 803 00:48:56,851 --> 00:49:00,497 If we're really saying that God sends billions of people to burn in hell 804 00:49:00,521 --> 00:49:03,291 for eternity for missing the mark or missing the point, 805 00:49:03,315 --> 00:49:06,211 or being born someplace else, well, that God is a monster. 806 00:49:06,235 --> 00:49:09,631 That God is worse than Hitler. That God is worse than Saddam Hussein. 807 00:49:09,655 --> 00:49:11,866 But that's... that's not our God. 808 00:49:12,366 --> 00:49:14,994 That's not the God that we worship. 809 00:49:15,578 --> 00:49:18,247 No, that God loves us all! 810 00:49:24,170 --> 00:49:27,274 ♪ Hold to His hand ♪ 811 00:49:29,175 --> 00:49:32,303 ♪ God's unchanging hand ♪ 812 00:49:34,138 --> 00:49:37,975 ♪ Hold to His hand ♪ 813 00:49:39,059 --> 00:49:43,355 ♪ God's unchanging hand ♪ 814 00:49:43,939 --> 00:49:47,043 ♪ Build your hopes ♪ 815 00:49:47,067 --> 00:49:52,424 ♪ On things eternal ♪ 816 00:49:52,448 --> 00:49:55,719 ♪ Hold ♪ 817 00:49:55,743 --> 00:50:00,539 ♪ To God's unchanging hand ♪ 818 00:50:01,582 --> 00:50:03,542 ♪ Everybody hold on ♪ 819 00:50:03,918 --> 00:50:06,420 Excuse me. I'm just trying to get through. Thanks. 820 00:50:09,632 --> 00:50:10,632 Quite a show. 821 00:50:11,592 --> 00:50:12,592 I'm sorry. 822 00:50:14,637 --> 00:50:16,448 I'm out there vouching for you. 823 00:50:16,472 --> 00:50:17,824 I'm making promises all week, 824 00:50:17,848 --> 00:50:20,076 and you march me out there like I'm some kind of puppet. 825 00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:21,268 I can't just ignore it. 826 00:50:22,186 --> 00:50:24,206 You want proof it wasn't God's voice you heard? 827 00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:27,024 Half our congregation walking out, that was it. 828 00:50:28,984 --> 00:50:30,402 What more proof do you need? 829 00:50:40,454 --> 00:50:44,833 Exactly what is your relationship now with Carlton Pearson? 830 00:50:46,544 --> 00:50:47,795 I'm sorry, um... 831 00:50:48,796 --> 00:50:51,090 When you've known someone as long as I've known... 832 00:50:51,215 --> 00:50:53,276 Bishop Pearson, it can be very difficult. 833 00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:58,281 Oh, well, Richard, I mean, you two grew up together, in essence. 834 00:50:58,305 --> 00:51:01,326 And your dad took him in and raised him at ORU. 835 00:51:01,350 --> 00:51:02,536 That's right. 836 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,997 I always thought of him as a younger sibling I had to look out for. 837 00:51:06,021 --> 00:51:09,793 And now you think this is the work of dark forces. 838 00:51:09,817 --> 00:51:11,127 Dark angels. 839 00:51:11,151 --> 00:51:13,421 Oh, I believe the devil has gotten to him, yes. 840 00:51:13,445 --> 00:51:15,590 - And he's being controlled. - To lead others astray? 841 00:51:15,614 --> 00:51:16,782 That's right. 842 00:51:17,283 --> 00:51:21,096 He's a powerful and trusted voice. This is a dangerous situation. 843 00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:22,847 And what does Dad say? 844 00:51:22,871 --> 00:51:25,457 - I imagine you talk about it. - Of course. 845 00:51:26,625 --> 00:51:27,793 He's heartbroken. 846 00:51:29,837 --> 00:51:30,963 He's lost a son. 847 00:51:32,881 --> 00:51:35,318 Can't believe he would go after you like that. 848 00:51:35,342 --> 00:51:36,802 Not with God's help. 849 00:51:37,094 --> 00:51:38,530 We can all be healed... 850 00:51:38,554 --> 00:51:42,117 - He's waited 25 years for the chance. - You never lose anyone completely, 851 00:51:42,141 --> 00:51:43,141 you know that. 852 00:51:43,976 --> 00:51:45,811 Just like he's got you, Richard. 853 00:52:29,980 --> 00:52:31,958 - Hey. - How you doing? 854 00:52:31,982 --> 00:52:34,318 Nice to see you. Hey, Henry. 855 00:52:34,735 --> 00:52:35,778 Hi, how are you? 856 00:52:36,236 --> 00:52:37,321 Please, come in. 857 00:52:38,572 --> 00:52:39,716 - Hello, Gina. - Henry. 858 00:52:39,740 --> 00:52:43,219 We got some... we got some coffee on, if anybody wants some, and... 859 00:52:43,243 --> 00:52:44,286 want anything to eat? 860 00:52:44,912 --> 00:52:46,121 I think everyone's okay. 861 00:52:46,997 --> 00:52:47,932 Okay. 862 00:52:47,956 --> 00:52:51,519 Look, before you say anything, I want you to know I should have done things... 863 00:52:51,543 --> 00:52:53,980 I should've done things differently. Okay? 864 00:52:54,004 --> 00:52:57,675 I should've talked about it with you. I should've shared it. 865 00:52:58,801 --> 00:53:01,529 - Carlton. - No, I should've done things differently, 866 00:53:01,553 --> 00:53:03,931 so if there's anything you need me to change... 867 00:53:04,556 --> 00:53:05,450 anything. 868 00:53:05,474 --> 00:53:06,767 Let's work it out. 869 00:53:07,643 --> 00:53:09,478 We're leaving Higher Dimensions. 870 00:53:11,230 --> 00:53:12,815 We prayed on it, and... 871 00:53:13,691 --> 00:53:16,026 - we're going to start our own church. - Henry. 872 00:53:17,236 --> 00:53:20,048 - You can't just leave. - No, they're not leaving. 873 00:53:20,072 --> 00:53:21,323 We'll talk it through. 874 00:53:21,782 --> 00:53:22,782 It's... 875 00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:25,136 - It's too late for that. - It's not too late. 876 00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,663 I just need time to understand it. 877 00:53:28,205 --> 00:53:29,099 Okay? 878 00:53:29,123 --> 00:53:31,267 - Just to formalize it. - Time to sink the whole ship? 879 00:53:31,291 --> 00:53:34,562 - It wasn't God's voice you heard, Bishop. - Now, how do you know? 880 00:53:34,586 --> 00:53:35,730 - How do you... - Gina... 881 00:53:35,754 --> 00:53:37,954 - Come in here, ganging up on him. - What if he's wrong? 882 00:53:39,049 --> 00:53:40,049 You don't know. 883 00:53:41,301 --> 00:53:43,011 None of us... none of us knows. 884 00:53:45,139 --> 00:53:47,826 But you want me to just trust you and go out and tell people 885 00:53:47,850 --> 00:53:50,328 it doesn't matter if they accept Christ. 886 00:53:50,352 --> 00:53:52,192 It doesn't matter if they go out there and sin. 887 00:53:52,604 --> 00:53:56,108 Well, what if it turns out that you are wrong and there is a hell? 888 00:53:57,568 --> 00:53:58,861 And we are responsible. 889 00:53:59,695 --> 00:54:02,322 Even if I thought you might be right, which I don't, 890 00:54:02,740 --> 00:54:04,700 it's not a chance that I'd be willing to take. 891 00:54:07,619 --> 00:54:11,057 You went ahead with this without any thought about me, 892 00:54:11,081 --> 00:54:13,309 or us, or anyone else. 893 00:54:13,333 --> 00:54:16,354 That's all I've been thinking about night and day. Don't leave. 894 00:54:16,378 --> 00:54:17,880 It's not us that's leaving. 895 00:54:19,214 --> 00:54:20,257 It's you. 896 00:54:20,674 --> 00:54:22,342 You turned your back on us. 897 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,363 For 20 years, I put your needs ahead of my needs. 898 00:54:25,387 --> 00:54:27,741 And I put Gina's ahead of Maggie's. 899 00:54:27,765 --> 00:54:29,492 And I put your kids ahead of my kids. 900 00:54:29,516 --> 00:54:30,660 I gave you 20 years, 901 00:54:30,684 --> 00:54:34,080 so just remember that it is not me that is turning my back on you, 902 00:54:34,104 --> 00:54:35,457 it's the other way around. 903 00:54:35,481 --> 00:54:39,335 And I think that you should take a long, hard look, and ask yourself why God... 904 00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:41,236 why God would want that. 905 00:54:43,864 --> 00:54:46,342 The hardest part about this whole thing is that you had it. 906 00:54:46,366 --> 00:54:49,137 - You had fellowship with God. - My fellowship with God... 907 00:54:49,161 --> 00:54:50,472 And it was pure. 908 00:54:50,496 --> 00:54:53,391 - It was true, and you are rejecting... - I'm closer to God in this moment 909 00:54:53,415 --> 00:54:54,893 than I've ever been in my life. 910 00:54:54,917 --> 00:54:57,395 I love you more than anything and you know that, 911 00:54:57,419 --> 00:55:00,297 but there is nothing that I can say right now that you will hear. 912 00:55:03,258 --> 00:55:05,469 You're gonna spend eternity separated from Him. 913 00:55:06,553 --> 00:55:08,263 I don't know what to do with that. 914 00:55:15,646 --> 00:55:19,292 - No, no, no, no. Okay, no. Okay. - Please don't make this harder. 915 00:55:19,316 --> 00:55:21,401 Come on, Henry. This is us. 916 00:55:23,779 --> 00:55:24,780 This is us. 917 00:55:27,282 --> 00:55:28,534 Remember in Jackson? 918 00:55:30,118 --> 00:55:32,579 When they told us we'd never get white people up there? 919 00:55:33,497 --> 00:55:34,497 Hm? 920 00:55:35,207 --> 00:55:37,084 Or Higher D, that we'd never fill it? 921 00:55:38,001 --> 00:55:39,586 God put us together. 922 00:55:40,504 --> 00:55:43,465 And we built something that never existed before. 923 00:55:45,175 --> 00:55:48,053 We got white folk and black folk praying together. 924 00:55:48,512 --> 00:55:49,596 In Tulsa. 925 00:55:51,890 --> 00:55:53,141 Aren't you proud of that? 926 00:55:58,772 --> 00:56:01,024 It got away from me, that's all. 927 00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:05,069 I just... 928 00:56:07,322 --> 00:56:08,532 I lost control of it. 929 00:56:11,285 --> 00:56:12,411 I'll roll it back. 930 00:56:19,042 --> 00:56:21,128 - You'll pull it back? - I'll pull it back. 931 00:56:24,464 --> 00:56:26,091 You'll recant what you said? 932 00:56:34,016 --> 00:56:35,809 God spoke to me, Henry. 933 00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:46,403 Just stay. 934 00:56:53,493 --> 00:56:54,493 I can't. 935 00:57:03,462 --> 00:57:07,233 Look, I wanted to find a place as far away from Higher D as I could, 936 00:57:07,257 --> 00:57:10,719 and it turns out the only spot that's available is on Memorial Drive. 937 00:57:11,511 --> 00:57:13,639 At 51st. It's not what I wanted. 938 00:57:16,725 --> 00:57:18,560 - I'm sorry. - It's okay. 939 00:57:22,272 --> 00:57:23,272 It's okay. 940 00:57:39,790 --> 00:57:40,790 Let's go. 941 00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,306 You can always change your mind. 942 00:58:01,269 --> 00:58:02,269 You too. 943 00:58:26,795 --> 00:58:28,606 ♪ I know the Lord ♪ 944 00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:30,066 ♪ I know the Lord ♪ 945 00:58:30,090 --> 00:58:32,235 ♪ Will make a way ♪ 946 00:58:32,259 --> 00:58:33,653 ♪ Will make a way ♪ 947 00:58:33,677 --> 00:58:35,655 ♪ Oh, yes, He will ♪ 948 00:58:35,679 --> 00:58:37,389 - ♪ Oh, yes ♪ - ♪ I know He will ♪ 949 00:58:37,848 --> 00:58:39,141 ♪ I believe He will ♪ 950 00:58:39,641 --> 00:58:41,411 ♪ Oh, yes ♪ 951 00:58:41,435 --> 00:58:43,937 - ♪ He will ♪ - ♪ Yes, He will ♪ 952 00:58:44,229 --> 00:58:45,564 ♪ Yes, He will ♪ 953 00:58:46,064 --> 00:58:48,543 - ♪ Yes, He will ♪ - ♪ Hmm, yes ♪ 954 00:58:48,567 --> 00:58:50,944 - ♪ He will ♪ - ♪ Yes, He will ♪ 955 00:58:51,570 --> 00:58:53,339 ♪ Yes, He will ♪ 956 00:58:53,363 --> 00:58:54,590 ♪ Yes, He will ♪ 957 00:58:54,614 --> 00:58:58,177 - ♪ Mmm, Yes, He will ♪ - ♪ Yes, He will ♪ 958 00:58:58,201 --> 00:59:00,179 - ♪ Oh, yes, He will ♪ - ♪ Yes, He will ♪ 959 00:59:00,203 --> 00:59:02,015 - ♪ I tried Him for myself ♪ - ♪ Yes, He will ♪ 960 00:59:02,039 --> 00:59:04,350 ♪ Oh, yes, He will ♪ 961 00:59:04,374 --> 00:59:06,728 - ♪ Yes, He will ♪ - ♪ Oh, yes, sir ♪ 962 00:59:06,752 --> 00:59:07,937 ♪ Yes, He will ♪ 963 00:59:07,961 --> 00:59:10,648 - ♪ Yes, He will ♪ - ♪ Hmm ♪ 964 00:59:10,672 --> 00:59:14,027 - ♪ I know the Lord ♪ - ♪ I know the Lord ♪ 965 00:59:14,051 --> 00:59:17,572 - ♪ He'll make a way ♪ - ♪ He'll make a way ♪ 966 00:59:17,596 --> 00:59:21,534 ♪ Oh, yes, He will ♪ 967 00:59:29,608 --> 00:59:30,608 Hey. 968 00:59:31,735 --> 00:59:32,735 Hi. 969 00:59:37,449 --> 00:59:40,678 - Here you go. - Carlton, we didn't pay for those. 970 00:59:40,702 --> 00:59:41,912 Uh-oh. It's okay. 971 00:59:43,121 --> 00:59:44,206 You want to help me? 972 00:59:45,290 --> 00:59:46,291 Come on, let's go. 973 00:59:47,626 --> 00:59:48,877 Okay, careful. Careful. 974 00:59:50,462 --> 00:59:51,462 Oh. 975 00:59:52,047 --> 00:59:53,047 Come on. 976 01:00:00,055 --> 01:00:01,407 Yes. 977 01:00:01,431 --> 01:00:02,474 Mmm. 978 01:00:08,897 --> 01:00:09,897 Keisha? 979 01:00:11,441 --> 01:00:12,441 Keisha? 980 01:00:13,193 --> 01:00:14,986 - Hi. - Hi. 981 01:00:15,654 --> 01:00:18,091 I've been leaving you messages. 982 01:00:18,115 --> 01:00:20,826 No, I know. I'm sorry, I... 983 01:00:21,368 --> 01:00:22,303 Oh. 984 01:00:22,327 --> 01:00:25,539 But we've been thinking about you. How... how is Francis feeling? 985 01:00:26,289 --> 01:00:27,289 Better. 986 01:00:29,543 --> 01:00:30,794 I wanted to call. 987 01:00:32,629 --> 01:00:35,298 I try to tell Frank it's not your fault, but... 988 01:00:36,258 --> 01:00:39,678 Oh, girl, I can't imagine what it must be like for you. 989 01:00:41,179 --> 01:00:44,933 There's a whole community that loves you and prays for you. 990 01:00:46,143 --> 01:00:48,520 I'll pray with you right now. Do you want that? 991 01:00:52,858 --> 01:00:55,944 Dear God, in the name of Jesus, 992 01:00:57,154 --> 01:01:01,908 awaken my dear sister from the spirit of deception, 993 01:01:02,284 --> 01:01:05,179 and rebuke the demons that have vexed her mind 994 01:01:05,203 --> 01:01:07,414 - and overtaken her body. - Keisha. 995 01:01:10,375 --> 01:01:11,375 It's okay. 996 01:01:12,043 --> 01:01:13,043 Keisha? 997 01:01:14,546 --> 01:01:15,546 Bishop. 998 01:01:16,173 --> 01:01:17,966 How you doing? How's Frank? 999 01:01:20,051 --> 01:01:21,051 Fine. 1000 01:01:21,219 --> 01:01:22,345 Everyone's fine. 1001 01:01:41,907 --> 01:01:42,907 Terry. 1002 01:01:48,371 --> 01:01:51,124 It's three months pay and 12 months of benefits. 1003 01:01:51,875 --> 01:01:54,628 I'll call everybody I can think of. I promise you that. 1004 01:01:55,462 --> 01:01:57,255 Anything else I can do, I will. 1005 01:02:05,889 --> 01:02:07,933 Thank you. Thanks for everything. 1006 01:02:18,485 --> 01:02:23,323 ♪ I've seen the lightning flashing ♪ 1007 01:02:23,657 --> 01:02:27,869 ♪ I've heard the thunder roll ♪ 1008 01:02:28,411 --> 01:02:33,458 ♪ I've felt sin breakers dashing ♪ 1009 01:02:33,792 --> 01:02:37,104 ♪ Trying to conquer my soul ♪ 1010 01:02:38,588 --> 01:02:43,551 ♪ I've heard the voice of Jesus ♪ 1011 01:02:43,927 --> 01:02:47,514 ♪ Bidding me still to fight on ♪ 1012 01:02:48,723 --> 01:02:51,244 ♪ He promised never... ♪ 1013 01:02:51,268 --> 01:02:54,080 You come in this time. You can just drive in at the top here. 1014 01:02:54,104 --> 01:02:55,248 We'll run through that. 1015 01:02:55,272 --> 01:02:56,499 Okay, ya'll ready? 1016 01:02:56,523 --> 01:02:58,084 All right, come on. Let's do it. 1017 01:02:58,108 --> 01:02:59,210 ♪ Oh ♪ 1018 01:02:59,234 --> 01:03:03,297 ♪ No, never alone ♪ 1019 01:03:03,321 --> 01:03:04,257 ♪ Oh ♪ 1020 01:03:04,281 --> 01:03:08,034 ♪ No, never alone ♪ 1021 01:03:08,868 --> 01:03:13,957 ♪ He promised never to leave me ♪ 1022 01:03:14,332 --> 01:03:18,586 ♪ Never to leave me alone ♪ 1023 01:03:19,337 --> 01:03:23,234 ♪ No, never alone ♪ 1024 01:03:23,258 --> 01:03:24,443 ♪ Oh, no ♪ 1025 01:03:24,467 --> 01:03:28,138 ♪ No, never alone ♪ 1026 01:03:28,888 --> 01:03:34,102 ♪ He promised never to leave me ♪ 1027 01:03:34,519 --> 01:03:38,565 ♪ Never to leave me alone ♪ 1028 01:03:39,024 --> 01:03:43,862 ♪ I've seen the lighting flashing ♪ 1029 01:03:44,154 --> 01:03:48,241 ♪ I've heard the thunder roll ♪ 1030 01:03:49,075 --> 01:03:54,039 ♪ I've felt sin breakers dashing ♪ 1031 01:03:54,664 --> 01:03:57,018 ♪ Trying to conquer my... ♪ 1032 01:03:57,042 --> 01:03:58,835 You okay? 1033 01:04:01,796 --> 01:04:04,090 Doctors, uh, held me overnight. 1034 01:04:05,050 --> 01:04:06,760 Gave me antibiotics, 1035 01:04:07,635 --> 01:04:08,635 and, uh... 1036 01:04:10,764 --> 01:04:13,016 They say I'm low on my T-cell count. 1037 01:04:19,022 --> 01:04:20,690 Why didn't you say something? 1038 01:04:23,735 --> 01:04:26,071 Why didn't you tell me you were getting worse? 1039 01:04:29,616 --> 01:04:31,201 I don't know, Bishop. I just... 1040 01:04:33,912 --> 01:04:36,414 I guess I'm just trying to make it all make sense. 1041 01:04:38,833 --> 01:04:39,834 Um... 1042 01:04:40,335 --> 01:04:41,419 Uh... 1043 01:04:42,545 --> 01:04:43,922 I started seeing someone. 1044 01:04:44,631 --> 01:04:45,631 And... 1045 01:04:48,009 --> 01:04:51,471 Misery just... It felt good to finally just... 1046 01:04:52,055 --> 01:04:54,950 be able to be with someone and feel like it's okay. 1047 01:04:54,974 --> 01:04:56,267 It's not okay. 1048 01:04:59,479 --> 01:05:01,356 Bishop, what is this? 1049 01:05:02,148 --> 01:05:03,148 Hm? 1050 01:05:04,776 --> 01:05:07,737 Is this God, just, like, punishing me? 1051 01:05:14,953 --> 01:05:16,788 Just 'cause there's no hell, that... 1052 01:05:18,873 --> 01:05:20,500 that don't condone sin. 1053 01:05:23,711 --> 01:05:25,130 You don't get to just... 1054 01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:27,840 do whatever. 1055 01:05:30,677 --> 01:05:32,220 That's not what we're saying. 1056 01:05:34,347 --> 01:05:35,640 That's not the message. 1057 01:05:39,227 --> 01:05:40,562 Well, what is the message? 1058 01:06:04,085 --> 01:06:06,171 Hey, Ma, it's Carlton. 1059 01:06:06,796 --> 01:06:10,359 - What? What happened? - No, no. Everybody's fine. 1060 01:06:10,383 --> 01:06:11,902 I'm sorry to call so late. 1061 01:06:11,926 --> 01:06:13,720 I just wanted to talk to you. 1062 01:06:16,639 --> 01:06:18,641 I've been thinking about Uncle Quincy. 1063 01:06:20,393 --> 01:06:21,561 I should've helped him. 1064 01:06:22,729 --> 01:06:25,499 Not with getting saved. I just should've helped him, and... 1065 01:06:25,523 --> 01:06:28,067 been thinking about Mama George and Patrick. 1066 01:06:28,735 --> 01:06:29,735 Rudy. 1067 01:06:31,029 --> 01:06:32,572 Just everybody I let down. 1068 01:06:33,239 --> 01:06:36,635 They gave up on God because they thought God gave up on them, but it was me. 1069 01:06:36,659 --> 01:06:37,659 Carlton. 1070 01:06:38,495 --> 01:06:39,954 Now, you listen to me, 1071 01:06:40,497 --> 01:06:41,831 and you listen good. 1072 01:06:42,207 --> 01:06:43,100 Quincy, 1073 01:06:43,124 --> 01:06:45,603 and Mama George, and Patrick 1074 01:06:45,627 --> 01:06:49,339 did what they did and no one made them. 1075 01:06:50,298 --> 01:06:53,760 God didn't put them in hell. They put themselves in hell. 1076 01:06:54,719 --> 01:06:57,847 Now, you read your Bible, boy, and get your head straight. 1077 01:06:59,015 --> 01:07:03,329 You read it and you teach it, like you always did. You hear me? 1078 01:07:03,353 --> 01:07:04,353 Yes, Ma. 1079 01:07:35,260 --> 01:07:36,261 Thank you. 1080 01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:44,560 Thank you. 1081 01:07:47,897 --> 01:07:50,817 - You didn't have to do this. - Oh, are you kidding? 1082 01:07:51,859 --> 01:07:53,003 I'm proud of you. 1083 01:07:53,027 --> 01:07:55,530 I don't know, it's just a clerical job. 1084 01:07:56,030 --> 01:07:57,490 Something to celebrate. 1085 01:08:07,417 --> 01:08:08,835 It's gonna be okay. 1086 01:08:10,795 --> 01:08:12,022 It's gonna be okay. 1087 01:08:12,046 --> 01:08:14,275 Everything's gonna go back to normal. 1088 01:08:14,299 --> 01:08:16,634 - I hope not. - Huh? 1089 01:08:18,636 --> 01:08:19,636 Well... 1090 01:08:20,305 --> 01:08:22,116 you preach differently now. 1091 01:08:22,140 --> 01:08:24,017 - It feels more connected. - Gina... 1092 01:08:24,976 --> 01:08:26,704 The church is three-quarters empty. 1093 01:08:26,728 --> 01:08:28,956 Okay, so let's find a smaller space. 1094 01:08:28,980 --> 01:08:31,083 You said you were worried about the mortgage. 1095 01:08:31,107 --> 01:08:32,107 Just... 1096 01:08:32,525 --> 01:08:34,736 Just support me, okay? 1097 01:08:35,236 --> 01:08:36,964 I am supporting you. 1098 01:08:36,988 --> 01:08:39,049 Well, it don't feel like it. Feels like... 1099 01:08:39,073 --> 01:08:41,927 you're asking me to crawl back to some storefront, 1100 01:08:41,951 --> 01:08:43,512 preach to 20 people, and... 1101 01:08:43,536 --> 01:08:44,912 talking about... 1102 01:08:45,580 --> 01:08:46,956 Crawl back? 1103 01:08:47,624 --> 01:08:48,625 Wow. 1104 01:08:52,712 --> 01:08:53,713 Let's just order. 1105 01:09:00,261 --> 01:09:02,865 The theology doesn't surprise me. Why would it? 1106 01:09:02,889 --> 01:09:05,784 We've been preaching this kind of inclusion for over a decade. 1107 01:09:05,808 --> 01:09:08,102 The only surprise is who's preaching it. 1108 01:09:08,686 --> 01:09:10,914 Bishop Pearson is just articulating 1109 01:09:10,938 --> 01:09:13,667 what a lot of people in the church really think. 1110 01:09:13,691 --> 01:09:16,045 I never thought she'd be agreeing with me. 1111 01:09:16,069 --> 01:09:17,320 Who'd have thought? 1112 01:09:20,156 --> 01:09:22,617 I told you Julian I'd take him to his game today. 1113 01:09:24,452 --> 01:09:26,454 Bishop Ellis is on the line. 1114 01:09:27,872 --> 01:09:29,290 Yeah, put him on. 1115 01:09:31,250 --> 01:09:32,895 Bishop Ellis, how are you? 1116 01:09:32,919 --> 01:09:36,381 - Bishop, thanks for taking my call. - Not at all. 1117 01:09:37,715 --> 01:09:38,841 What can I do for you? 1118 01:09:39,676 --> 01:09:44,097 Well, we're having our annual conference here next month and, uh... 1119 01:09:45,390 --> 01:09:47,684 we've been following what you've been preaching. 1120 01:09:48,976 --> 01:09:51,163 We feel we ought to give you a chance to... 1121 01:09:51,187 --> 01:09:53,856 explain these new positions you're taking. 1122 01:09:54,232 --> 01:09:55,608 In a formal setting. 1123 01:09:56,192 --> 01:09:58,420 Well, I appreciate the invitation. Thank you. 1124 01:09:58,444 --> 01:10:00,321 I'd have to know the context, though. 1125 01:10:01,406 --> 01:10:02,407 Context? 1126 01:10:02,949 --> 01:10:04,826 Yeah, what's the format? Is this a discussion? 1127 01:10:05,660 --> 01:10:09,747 Bishop, we think you owe it to the body of Christ. 1128 01:10:10,415 --> 01:10:13,751 We're offering you an opportunity to speak directly to your peers. 1129 01:10:14,335 --> 01:10:17,755 Frankly, uh, I thought you'd jump at the chance. 1130 01:10:19,132 --> 01:10:21,610 You might as well just call it what it is. It's a trial. 1131 01:10:21,634 --> 01:10:24,697 - Oh, Nicky. - It's a heresy trial. 1132 01:10:24,721 --> 01:10:28,283 Do you have any idea what kind of circus they're putting together? 1133 01:10:28,307 --> 01:10:30,351 This was J.D. Ellis last week. 1134 01:10:31,436 --> 01:10:35,416 "If Bishop Pearson is taking the position we think he is, 1135 01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:38,419 he will be no more welcome at African-American pulpits 1136 01:10:38,443 --> 01:10:40,421 than Louis Farrakhan." 1137 01:10:40,445 --> 01:10:42,172 I'm not intimidated by these guys. 1138 01:10:42,196 --> 01:10:43,424 That's not the point. 1139 01:10:43,448 --> 01:10:44,967 - Just ignore them. - I can't. 1140 01:10:44,991 --> 01:10:47,428 Then put out a statement rejecting their legitimacy. 1141 01:10:47,452 --> 01:10:49,596 The Joint Council of African-American Bishops? 1142 01:10:49,620 --> 01:10:52,850 - You want me to deny they're legitimate? - No, but we don't need them. 1143 01:10:52,874 --> 01:10:55,519 Look, our numbers have leveled out. The church is stable now. 1144 01:10:55,543 --> 01:10:57,563 If I can go there and get them to understand... 1145 01:10:57,587 --> 01:10:59,255 That's not gonna happen. 1146 01:11:00,673 --> 01:11:03,569 Bishop, the members that we have now, they're loyal to you. 1147 01:11:03,593 --> 01:11:06,488 But most of that's just racial. I mean, Henry took all the white folk. 1148 01:11:06,512 --> 01:11:09,891 If you go down there and you make some kind of stand-off... 1149 01:11:10,266 --> 01:11:11,266 and... 1150 01:11:12,101 --> 01:11:13,245 and you lose, 1151 01:11:13,269 --> 01:11:14,854 then we could lose the church. 1152 01:11:15,396 --> 01:11:17,523 This is God's will. He's not gonna take my church. 1153 01:11:18,733 --> 01:11:19,859 What if he does? 1154 01:11:21,068 --> 01:11:23,046 How many people did Jesus lose, huh? 1155 01:11:23,070 --> 01:11:25,281 Five thousand, in a day. He back down? 1156 01:11:26,157 --> 01:11:27,426 God spoke to me. 1157 01:11:27,450 --> 01:11:28,927 And I'm not backing down. 1158 01:11:28,951 --> 01:11:32,271 Now, either you're with me or you're not, but if you're not strong enough, Reggie... 1159 01:11:43,966 --> 01:11:45,134 This is a gift. 1160 01:11:48,054 --> 01:11:49,972 It's how we win the congregation back. 1161 01:11:52,058 --> 01:11:53,058 Okay? 1162 01:11:56,437 --> 01:11:57,855 You know I love you, Bishop. 1163 01:12:04,862 --> 01:12:05,947 Then wish me luck. 1164 01:13:10,553 --> 01:13:12,138 There has been... 1165 01:13:13,389 --> 01:13:17,852 considerable interest about some of the things our guest today... 1166 01:13:18,644 --> 01:13:19,854 has been preaching. 1167 01:13:21,397 --> 01:13:23,441 Bishop Pearson is no stranger to us. 1168 01:13:24,775 --> 01:13:27,320 We valued his contribution to the Body of Christ. 1169 01:13:31,365 --> 01:13:33,117 So I thought it'd be important... 1170 01:13:34,327 --> 01:13:35,995 before we make a judgment... 1171 01:13:37,455 --> 01:13:39,415 for us to bring him to the pulpit. 1172 01:13:40,583 --> 01:13:42,209 And let him speak for himself. 1173 01:13:44,462 --> 01:13:45,462 Bishop Pearson? 1174 01:14:02,104 --> 01:14:04,357 I was counseled not to come here today. 1175 01:14:08,736 --> 01:14:09,736 I've been... 1176 01:14:13,032 --> 01:14:15,451 spending a lot of time thinking about this. 1177 01:14:16,535 --> 01:14:17,846 I prayed and fasted. 1178 01:14:17,870 --> 01:14:22,583 I asked God for the anointing to speak with conviction and clarity. 1179 01:14:24,126 --> 01:14:25,127 I studied. 1180 01:14:29,715 --> 01:14:30,800 Bishop Ellis? 1181 01:14:32,343 --> 01:14:33,636 I want to ask you something. 1182 01:14:35,346 --> 01:14:38,075 Is there anybody you've loved in your own life? 1183 01:14:38,099 --> 01:14:39,642 Anybody you were close to? 1184 01:14:40,142 --> 01:14:41,142 An uncle? 1185 01:14:41,727 --> 01:14:43,145 A brother? A friend? 1186 01:14:44,188 --> 01:14:46,232 Who backslid and is in hell right now? 1187 01:14:47,566 --> 01:14:49,169 This ain't about me, Bishop. 1188 01:14:49,193 --> 01:14:50,629 It's a simple question. 1189 01:14:50,653 --> 01:14:51,988 I'll get to the point. 1190 01:14:55,491 --> 01:14:57,243 My daddy's in hell. What about it? 1191 01:14:58,411 --> 01:14:59,412 How do you know? 1192 01:15:04,458 --> 01:15:06,979 - I just want to understand. - Bishop Pearson, we have a process. 1193 01:15:07,003 --> 01:15:09,255 How do you know he's in hell? 1194 01:15:10,631 --> 01:15:12,776 - If you can't answer the question... - Bishop Pearson... 1195 01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,404 Then either you're not sure, or you're afraid to answer. 1196 01:15:15,428 --> 01:15:17,930 Because he sinned until the day he died. That's how I know. 1197 01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:21,017 How long's he been there? 1198 01:15:21,517 --> 01:15:23,394 - Fifteen years. - Fifteen years. 1199 01:15:24,895 --> 01:15:26,289 And did you love him? 1200 01:15:26,313 --> 01:15:27,940 'Course I did. He was my daddy. 1201 01:15:28,607 --> 01:15:31,444 But he beat my mama. He beat me. 1202 01:15:32,111 --> 01:15:34,923 - He was a fornicator. - And now God's punishing him. 1203 01:15:34,947 --> 01:15:36,550 He's suffering in hell, 1204 01:15:36,574 --> 01:15:39,136 he's tortured and tormented for all eternity. 1205 01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:40,703 So, let me ask you something. 1206 01:15:43,289 --> 01:15:45,249 Would you get him out of hell if you could? 1207 01:15:48,627 --> 01:15:49,938 That ain't up to me. 1208 01:15:49,962 --> 01:15:51,172 How about if it was? 1209 01:15:51,839 --> 01:15:55,110 If there was a way we could negotiate with God, with Jesus and the blood, 1210 01:15:55,134 --> 01:15:58,363 you'd get your daddy out of there quick as you could, wouldn't you? 1211 01:15:58,387 --> 01:16:01,599 - I can't answer that. - Of course you would, anybody would. 1212 01:16:02,516 --> 01:16:05,019 So, the question we have to ask ourselves is this: 1213 01:16:06,270 --> 01:16:08,147 Are we more merciful than God? 1214 01:16:09,857 --> 01:16:10,857 No. 1215 01:16:12,485 --> 01:16:15,279 I thank God that reprobate is in hell. 1216 01:16:16,822 --> 01:16:19,450 - You just said that you loved him. - I adored him. 1217 01:16:20,034 --> 01:16:21,577 And you wouldn't get him out? 1218 01:16:22,161 --> 01:16:25,664 Hell is where he's at and hell is where he belongs. 1219 01:16:27,917 --> 01:16:30,062 This foolishness. This arrogance. 1220 01:16:30,086 --> 01:16:33,023 You come in here telling us we all wrong and you all right? 1221 01:16:33,047 --> 01:16:35,484 Perverting scripture and arguing that God don't punish? 1222 01:16:35,508 --> 01:16:37,736 It's false doctrine you're preaching 1223 01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:40,322 and it will not be tolerated in our churches. 1224 01:16:40,346 --> 01:16:41,346 Amen. 1225 01:16:42,014 --> 01:16:44,951 We believe if you confess the Lord Jesus with your mouth 1226 01:16:44,975 --> 01:16:48,038 and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, 1227 01:16:48,062 --> 01:16:49,480 you will be saved. 1228 01:16:49,980 --> 01:16:54,294 And that is the only way you will be saved. 1229 01:16:54,318 --> 01:16:55,712 Amen. 1230 01:17:08,707 --> 01:17:10,477 Next up, we have a six-octave keyboard 1231 01:17:10,501 --> 01:17:12,813 with a market value of $9,000. 1232 01:17:12,837 --> 01:17:15,565 Who will give me $1,300 to go? I got 13 over here, now 13-five. 1233 01:17:15,589 --> 01:17:18,360 13-five. Anybody? 13-five. 13-five, now 14? 1234 01:17:18,384 --> 01:17:20,070 For $1,400. Anybody for 14? 1235 01:17:20,094 --> 01:17:22,447 I have 14 over here, 14-five. 14-five... 1236 01:17:22,471 --> 01:17:24,366 14-five. 14-five, now 15. 1237 01:17:24,390 --> 01:17:26,034 $1,500 over here. Thank you, ma'am. 1238 01:17:26,058 --> 01:17:29,788 15, now 15-five. 15-five. Anybody for 15-five? 15-five... 1239 01:17:29,812 --> 01:17:32,082 16. $1,600 bid, anybody? 16? 1240 01:17:32,106 --> 01:17:35,001 I need $1,600. I got 16, thank you. 16. Now 16-five... 1241 01:17:35,025 --> 01:17:37,587 16-five. 16-five, now $1,700. 1242 01:17:39,029 --> 01:17:40,781 I have to go down to the storeroom. 1243 01:17:41,407 --> 01:17:42,407 Okay. 1244 01:17:47,037 --> 01:17:50,183 18-five? 18-five, I'm at 18-five. I'm at 1,800. 1245 01:17:50,207 --> 01:17:52,811 1,800. Going once, going twice. 1246 01:17:52,835 --> 01:17:55,171 Sold, $1,800, number 286. 1247 01:17:56,881 --> 01:17:59,943 Next up, we've got the offering plates. Item number 275... 1248 01:17:59,967 --> 01:18:01,862 You looking for a deal on some pews? 1249 01:18:01,886 --> 01:18:03,637 Yeah. 1250 01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:07,183 I just... I had to see for myself. 1251 01:18:10,561 --> 01:18:12,104 It's hard to believe, huh? 1252 01:18:16,275 --> 01:18:17,985 Did the bank assume the mortgage? 1253 01:18:19,737 --> 01:18:23,282 Make sure you get a waiver of liability. You know that, right? 1254 01:18:25,284 --> 01:18:26,535 I hear you're doing well. 1255 01:18:28,078 --> 01:18:29,246 Got good numbers. 1256 01:18:30,539 --> 01:18:31,916 We're growing, yeah. 1257 01:18:33,667 --> 01:18:35,544 How many services you got over there? 1258 01:18:37,338 --> 01:18:38,422 We just added a second. 1259 01:18:40,758 --> 01:18:41,758 That's great. 1260 01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:46,138 I learned from the best, you know. 1261 01:18:46,931 --> 01:18:47,931 I did. 1262 01:18:48,933 --> 01:18:51,310 You got any anointing in there, huh? 1263 01:18:52,019 --> 01:18:54,021 Got to get that oil, get the fire going. 1264 01:18:54,855 --> 01:18:57,691 If you ain't got that oil, God ain't pleased with you. 1265 01:19:04,490 --> 01:19:05,699 Excuse me. 1266 01:19:48,742 --> 01:19:49,827 Oh, God. 1267 01:19:53,289 --> 01:19:54,289 Oh, God. 1268 01:20:20,399 --> 01:20:22,151 It's all right. I got you. 1269 01:20:47,176 --> 01:20:50,780 John, this is Bishop Pearson. Bishop, John Felton. 1270 01:20:50,804 --> 01:20:52,407 Pleasure to meet you, Bishop. 1271 01:20:52,431 --> 01:20:53,682 Sorry I'm late. 1272 01:20:55,100 --> 01:20:59,480 I know, just look at it. It'll take five minutes. 1273 01:21:01,565 --> 01:21:03,275 So, it's 9,700 square feet. 1274 01:21:04,026 --> 01:21:06,737 It used to be one of the old Huntsfield warehouses. 1275 01:21:07,696 --> 01:21:10,383 I figure if we build the stage up against that wall, 1276 01:21:10,407 --> 01:21:12,594 we can put the offices over there. 1277 01:21:12,618 --> 01:21:15,662 Hang some drapes on the windows and lay down a new floor. 1278 01:21:25,089 --> 01:21:26,507 Could you excuse us, please? 1279 01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:28,467 Oh, sure. 1280 01:21:29,134 --> 01:21:30,969 Of course. I'll just... 1281 01:21:31,887 --> 01:21:32,887 Take your time. 1282 01:21:36,642 --> 01:21:37,642 Come on, Nicky. 1283 01:21:45,109 --> 01:21:46,360 What are we doing here? 1284 01:21:47,319 --> 01:21:48,821 I don't know what we're doing. 1285 01:21:54,368 --> 01:21:57,621 This is the best space for what we can afford. 1286 01:21:58,497 --> 01:22:00,666 What do I preach, Nicky? 1287 01:22:01,625 --> 01:22:02,625 Hm? 1288 01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:06,088 Tell me what to preach. 1289 01:22:08,173 --> 01:22:09,341 Are you saying... 1290 01:22:10,467 --> 01:22:14,054 that God took Higher D, and so you must've had it all wrong? 1291 01:22:17,433 --> 01:22:19,393 You're telling me you don't think that? 1292 01:22:22,146 --> 01:22:23,230 That's not fair. 1293 01:22:36,034 --> 01:22:37,494 I saw Reggie. 1294 01:22:39,997 --> 01:22:42,374 I guess you two don't really talk. 1295 01:22:46,545 --> 01:22:47,546 How's he doing? 1296 01:22:55,304 --> 01:22:56,972 He wanted me to give this to you. 1297 01:23:01,727 --> 01:23:03,520 He's moved back to Texas. 1298 01:23:04,938 --> 01:23:06,940 He's moved back to live with his mother. 1299 01:23:53,862 --> 01:23:55,197 So, how was the space? 1300 01:24:00,619 --> 01:24:01,620 It's not right. 1301 01:24:02,287 --> 01:24:04,081 Oh, but Nicky was so excited. 1302 01:24:09,878 --> 01:24:11,046 What was wrong with it? 1303 01:24:13,715 --> 01:24:14,715 Here. 1304 01:24:15,175 --> 01:24:18,554 Don't put that all in your mouth at the same time. Let me cut it for you. 1305 01:24:24,726 --> 01:24:26,436 Why do you think he wrote to you? 1306 01:24:31,858 --> 01:24:32,901 He loves you. 1307 01:24:36,655 --> 01:24:37,655 I just... 1308 01:24:41,201 --> 01:24:43,453 I just don't want him to see where I'm at. 1309 01:24:46,832 --> 01:24:48,083 And where are you? 1310 01:24:52,421 --> 01:24:53,421 I'm here. 1311 01:24:54,590 --> 01:24:55,590 Yeah. 1312 01:24:57,175 --> 01:24:58,343 You're here. 1313 01:25:00,679 --> 01:25:03,140 Look at somebody and say, "We're still here." 1314 01:25:10,022 --> 01:25:11,148 We're still here. 1315 01:25:28,749 --> 01:25:29,958 Get up, Carlton. 1316 01:25:33,962 --> 01:25:35,297 Just get up. 1317 01:26:01,990 --> 01:26:03,075 Chief. 1318 01:26:06,578 --> 01:26:07,578 Carlton. 1319 01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:09,998 I was so glad you called. 1320 01:26:10,540 --> 01:26:11,917 Sit down, please. 1321 01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:19,174 I do ask after you, believe it or not. 1322 01:26:21,927 --> 01:26:22,927 How are you doing? 1323 01:26:24,346 --> 01:26:26,598 I guess you saw the news on Richard. 1324 01:26:28,266 --> 01:26:30,352 They're accusing him of embezzling. 1325 01:26:31,770 --> 01:26:34,189 Things have gotten pretty messed up around here. 1326 01:26:36,983 --> 01:26:37,983 I miss you. 1327 01:26:39,027 --> 01:26:40,153 How you doing? 1328 01:26:42,614 --> 01:26:43,699 I feel lost. 1329 01:26:46,284 --> 01:26:48,286 I pray, but I don't hear anything. 1330 01:26:49,496 --> 01:26:50,872 I don't feel anything. 1331 01:26:51,915 --> 01:26:53,625 Just separated from God. 1332 01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:01,633 I've been thinking a lot about Ronnie. 1333 01:27:03,093 --> 01:27:04,761 How lost he was and... 1334 01:27:06,012 --> 01:27:07,556 how I pushed him away. 1335 01:27:11,143 --> 01:27:14,706 If there was one thing that made me want to consider 1336 01:27:14,730 --> 01:27:16,523 everything you were preaching, 1337 01:27:18,150 --> 01:27:22,612 it was how lonely God must feel denying his own children. 1338 01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:30,036 I turned my back on you, son. 1339 01:27:32,205 --> 01:27:33,749 Sorry I had to do that. 1340 01:27:36,126 --> 01:27:37,836 Maybe I didn't give you a choice. 1341 01:27:44,092 --> 01:27:47,012 I was surprised to hear you'd given up the preaching. 1342 01:27:48,638 --> 01:27:52,160 And frankly, I was disappointed because you were called, Carlton. 1343 01:27:52,184 --> 01:27:53,602 I still believe that. 1344 01:27:55,187 --> 01:27:59,232 And I want you to know that there is a place for you here 1345 01:27:59,816 --> 01:28:01,526 when you're ready to come back to us. 1346 01:28:09,451 --> 01:28:11,554 It's a challenge to be called by God 1347 01:28:11,578 --> 01:28:14,122 and not allow it to fill you with arrogance. 1348 01:28:17,793 --> 01:28:19,753 It is a very important lesson. 1349 01:28:20,962 --> 01:28:23,381 Arrogance will separate us from God. 1350 01:28:24,466 --> 01:28:28,011 And it'll separate us from the ones we love most if we're not careful. 1351 01:29:51,928 --> 01:29:52,928 Honey? 1352 01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:57,600 Hey, buddy. 1353 01:30:04,232 --> 01:30:07,319 How you doing? How you holding up? 1354 01:30:11,990 --> 01:30:13,158 What're you doing here? 1355 01:30:24,085 --> 01:30:25,085 How are you? 1356 01:30:26,546 --> 01:30:27,546 Well, you know. 1357 01:30:28,715 --> 01:30:30,592 Doctors gave me a new medication. 1358 01:30:32,594 --> 01:30:34,554 I got diagnosed with Lymphoma. 1359 01:30:36,681 --> 01:30:37,681 So... 1360 01:30:47,734 --> 01:30:48,860 Nicky... 1361 01:30:51,154 --> 01:30:52,405 gave me your letter. 1362 01:30:58,495 --> 01:30:59,496 And I, uh... 1363 01:31:00,330 --> 01:31:01,831 I just want to say I'm sorry. 1364 01:31:02,791 --> 01:31:06,127 And I wanted to tell you you're not alone. 1365 01:31:08,046 --> 01:31:09,339 Did God tell you that? 1366 01:31:10,715 --> 01:31:12,384 He still whispering in your ear? 1367 01:31:13,343 --> 01:31:15,095 Did he tell you how much I weigh? 1368 01:32:00,056 --> 01:32:01,736 You know, I figured something out, Bishop. 1369 01:32:02,934 --> 01:32:04,912 You know how you used to tell me, 1370 01:32:04,936 --> 01:32:06,646 "Reggie, just stay strong and... 1371 01:32:07,230 --> 01:32:10,358 doing gay and being gay is two different things"? 1372 01:32:12,318 --> 01:32:13,528 Well, it was bullshit. 1373 01:32:16,406 --> 01:32:17,406 I'm gay. 1374 01:32:18,575 --> 01:32:19,826 It ain't no choice. 1375 01:32:22,037 --> 01:32:24,056 It just is. It is what I am. 1376 01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:25,081 It's who I am. 1377 01:32:27,167 --> 01:32:30,045 And now, God's gonna send me to hell for it. 1378 01:32:30,462 --> 01:32:32,982 Just as sure as you sitting there with your jaw hanging out, 1379 01:32:33,006 --> 01:32:34,966 God is going to punish me for it all. 1380 01:32:37,552 --> 01:32:38,887 I tried so hard. 1381 01:32:39,304 --> 01:32:41,157 I tried so hard to get saved. 1382 01:32:41,181 --> 01:32:44,392 So many different people tried, but it just never worked. 1383 01:32:46,603 --> 01:32:47,496 But... 1384 01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:49,606 you could get me saved, right? 1385 01:32:50,148 --> 01:32:52,776 I mean, if anybody could do it, you could do it. 1386 01:32:55,904 --> 01:32:57,155 Will you do that for me? 1387 01:33:00,116 --> 01:33:01,116 Bishop? 1388 01:33:02,869 --> 01:33:03,869 Will you? 1389 01:33:06,081 --> 01:33:08,851 - 'Cause God about to send me to hell. - Reggie, Reggie. 1390 01:33:08,875 --> 01:33:11,896 - I know, I can just feel it now. - Listen to me, Reggie. 1391 01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:14,023 - You don't need to be saved. - You don't know that. 1392 01:33:14,047 --> 01:33:15,900 You can't know that for sure. 1393 01:33:15,924 --> 01:33:18,384 I've never been more sure of anything in my life. 1394 01:33:20,470 --> 01:33:21,596 Look at me, Reggie. 1395 01:33:24,265 --> 01:33:25,892 When the time comes... 1396 01:33:27,936 --> 01:33:29,270 you'll be with Him. 1397 01:33:39,322 --> 01:33:41,366 ♪ Jesus loves me ♪ 1398 01:33:44,536 --> 01:33:45,662 ♪ This I know ♪ 1399 01:33:49,207 --> 01:33:50,792 ♪ For the Bible ♪ 1400 01:33:52,544 --> 01:33:53,837 ♪ Tells me so ♪ 1401 01:33:56,798 --> 01:33:58,007 ♪ Little ones ♪ 1402 01:33:59,134 --> 01:34:00,552 ♪ To Him belong ♪ 1403 01:34:02,387 --> 01:34:03,638 ♪ They are weak ♪ 1404 01:34:06,099 --> 01:34:07,600 ♪ But He is strong ♪ 1405 01:34:10,228 --> 01:34:16,651 ♪ Yes, Jesus loves me ♪ 1406 01:34:18,528 --> 01:34:23,658 ♪ Yes, Jesus loves me ♪ 1407 01:34:26,119 --> 01:34:30,999 ♪ Yes, Jesus loves me ♪ 1408 01:34:32,625 --> 01:34:37,255 ♪ The Bible tells me so ♪ 1409 01:34:40,049 --> 01:34:45,763 ♪ The Bible tells me so ♪ 1410 01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:26,864 Bishop Pearson. 1411 01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:29,033 You know, when Pastor Flunder... 1412 01:36:29,867 --> 01:36:31,929 asked me to come and visit, I... 1413 01:36:31,953 --> 01:36:34,890 And our guest today took a lot of convincing... 1414 01:36:34,914 --> 01:36:36,749 I was terrified, actually. 1415 01:36:37,417 --> 01:36:40,169 Bishop Carlton Pearson. 1416 01:36:40,586 --> 01:36:42,714 These people don't want to hear from me... 1417 01:36:43,548 --> 01:36:45,675 What have I got to say to them, but... 1418 01:36:47,969 --> 01:36:49,470 then I thought, well... 1419 01:36:51,931 --> 01:36:54,267 You know, with everything I've been through... 1420 01:36:57,562 --> 01:36:58,980 I do know something about... 1421 01:36:59,814 --> 01:37:01,691 what it feels like to be an outcast. 1422 01:37:03,943 --> 01:37:05,111 You know? And I... 1423 01:37:06,821 --> 01:37:08,573 I do know something about... 1424 01:37:11,159 --> 01:37:12,827 what it feels like to be... 1425 01:37:13,953 --> 01:37:16,289 to be told you're not worthy of God's love. 1426 01:37:18,458 --> 01:37:19,959 I've spent a lot of my life... 1427 01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:22,462 living in fear of God. 1428 01:37:25,673 --> 01:37:27,175 And I preached that fear. 1429 01:37:28,593 --> 01:37:31,780 And I preached it and I preached it, and I preached it so much 1430 01:37:31,804 --> 01:37:34,557 that I became afraid not to preach it. 1431 01:37:36,601 --> 01:37:40,063 Why is it so hard to let go of that fear? 1432 01:37:41,481 --> 01:37:44,817 Is it because if God loves everybody unconditionally, then... 1433 01:37:46,027 --> 01:37:47,153 maybe we have to? 1434 01:37:48,571 --> 01:37:49,571 Is that it? 1435 01:37:52,408 --> 01:37:56,329 And what is it about loving each other unconditionally that scares us so much? 1436 01:38:00,166 --> 01:38:02,144 I don't know. But I do know one thing. 1437 01:38:02,168 --> 01:38:04,855 It know it was God's love got me in this room. 1438 01:38:04,879 --> 01:38:05,880 Amen. 1439 01:38:06,714 --> 01:38:09,175 I know that. I know Jesus's love brought me here. 1440 01:38:15,807 --> 01:38:17,284 Can I get an "amen" around here? 1441 01:38:17,308 --> 01:38:18,893 Amen. 1442 01:38:19,435 --> 01:38:21,580 - Maybe a little "hallelujah" around here. - Hallelujah. 1443 01:38:21,604 --> 01:38:23,040 Oh, I got some, okay. 1444 01:38:26,609 --> 01:38:28,236 I thank God for my life. 1445 01:38:31,656 --> 01:38:32,656 I do. 1446 01:38:35,868 --> 01:38:37,120 I thank God for my wife. 1447 01:38:42,542 --> 01:38:44,252 ♪ Jesus, I'll never forget ♪ 1448 01:38:44,544 --> 01:38:46,671 ♪ What you've done for me ♪ 1449 01:38:47,547 --> 01:38:49,274 ♪ Jesus, I'll never forget ♪ 1450 01:38:49,298 --> 01:38:51,676 ♪ How you set me free ♪ 1451 01:38:52,176 --> 01:38:54,405 ♪ Jesus, I'll never forget ♪ 1452 01:38:54,429 --> 01:38:57,366 ♪ How you brought me out ♪ 1453 01:38:57,390 --> 01:38:59,368 ♪ Jesus, I'll never forget ♪ 1454 01:38:59,392 --> 01:39:01,853 ♪ No, never ♪ 1455 01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:04,331 ♪ Jesus, I'll never forget ♪ 1456 01:39:04,355 --> 01:39:07,233 ♪ What you've done for me ♪ 1457 01:39:07,692 --> 01:39:09,628 ♪ Jesus, I'll never forget ♪ 1458 01:39:09,652 --> 01:39:12,280 ♪ How you set me free ♪ 1459 01:39:12,738 --> 01:39:14,240 ♪ Jesus, I'll never forget ♪ 1460 01:39:14,699 --> 01:39:17,243 ♪ How you brought me out ♪ 1461 01:39:17,910 --> 01:39:19,847 ♪ Jesus, I'll never forget ♪ 1462 01:39:19,871 --> 01:39:22,933 ♪ No, never ♪ 1463 01:39:22,957 --> 01:39:24,601 ♪ Jesus, I'll never forget ♪ 1464 01:39:24,625 --> 01:39:26,937 ♪ What you've done for me ♪ 1465 01:39:26,961 --> 01:39:29,648 ♪ Jesus, I'll never forget ♪ 1466 01:39:29,672 --> 01:39:31,984 ♪ How you set me free ♪ 1467 01:39:32,008 --> 01:39:34,778 ♪ Jesus, I'll never forget ♪ 1468 01:39:34,802 --> 01:39:37,197 ♪ How you brought me out ♪ 1469 01:39:37,221 --> 01:39:39,950 ♪ Jesus, I'll never forget ♪ 1470 01:39:39,974 --> 01:39:40,951 ♪ No, never ♪ 1471 01:39:40,975 --> 01:39:42,327 Come on, clap your hands. 1472 01:39:42,351 --> 01:39:43,537 ♪ How can I? ♪ 1473 01:39:43,561 --> 01:39:45,414 ♪ How can I forget ♪ 1474 01:39:45,438 --> 01:39:47,458 ♪ What you've done for me? ♪ 1475 01:39:47,482 --> 01:39:50,586 - ♪ How can I forget ♪ - ♪ How can I forget ♪ 1476 01:39:50,610 --> 01:39:52,671 ♪ How you set me free? ♪ 1477 01:39:52,695 --> 01:39:55,299 - ♪ How can I forget ♪ - ♪ How can I forget ♪ 1478 01:39:55,323 --> 01:39:57,676 ♪ How you brought me out? ♪ 1479 01:39:57,700 --> 01:40:00,471 - ♪ How can I forget ♪ - ♪ How can I forget ♪ 1480 01:40:00,495 --> 01:40:02,806 - ♪ No, never ♪ - Come on. 1481 01:40:02,830 --> 01:40:05,601 - ♪ How can I ♪ - ♪ How can I forget ♪ 1482 01:40:05,625 --> 01:40:07,978 ♪ What you've done for me? ♪ 1483 01:40:08,002 --> 01:40:11,064 - ♪ How can I forget ♪ - ♪ How can I forget ♪ 1484 01:40:11,088 --> 01:40:13,025 ♪ How you set me free? ♪ 1485 01:40:13,049 --> 01:40:15,777 - ♪ How can I forget ♪ - ♪ How can I forget ♪ 1486 01:40:15,801 --> 01:40:18,238 ♪ How you brought me out? ♪ 1487 01:40:18,262 --> 01:40:19,448 ♪ Jesus, I'll never ♪ 1488 01:40:19,472 --> 01:40:21,241 ♪ How can I forget ♪ 1489 01:40:21,265 --> 01:40:23,160 Come on, sing the song. 1490 01:40:23,184 --> 01:40:26,079 - ♪ How can I ♪ - ♪ How can I forget ♪ 1491 01:40:26,103 --> 01:40:28,373 ♪ What you've done for me? ♪ 1492 01:40:28,397 --> 01:40:31,418 - ♪ How can I forget ♪ - ♪ How can I forget ♪ 1493 01:40:31,442 --> 01:40:33,462 ♪ How you set me free? ♪ 1494 01:40:33,486 --> 01:40:36,298 - ♪ How can I forget ♪ - ♪ How can I forget ♪ 1495 01:40:36,322 --> 01:40:38,675 ♪ How you brought me out? ♪ 1496 01:40:38,699 --> 01:40:41,803 - ♪ How can I forget ♪ - ♪ How can I forget ♪ 1497 01:40:41,827 --> 01:40:43,722 ♪ How you set me free? ♪ 1498 01:40:43,746 --> 01:40:46,642 - ♪ How can I forget ♪ - ♪ How can I forget ♪ 1499 01:40:46,666 --> 01:40:48,894 ♪ How you brought me out? ♪ 1500 01:40:48,918 --> 01:40:52,064 - ♪ How can I forget ♪ - ♪ How can I forget ♪ 1501 01:40:52,088 --> 01:40:58,135 ♪ No, never ♪ 1502 01:41:03,391 --> 01:41:05,994 You know that old song... ♪ I'm a soldier ♪ 1503 01:41:06,018 --> 01:41:07,871 ♪ In the army of the Lord ♪ 1504 01:41:07,895 --> 01:41:09,414 ♪ I'm a soldier ♪ 1505 01:41:09,438 --> 01:41:11,041 ♪ In the army ♪ 1506 01:41:11,065 --> 01:41:12,960 ♪ I'm a soldier ♪ 1507 01:41:12,984 --> 01:41:14,670 ♪ In the army of the Lord ♪ 1508 01:41:14,694 --> 01:41:16,505 ♪ I'm a soldier ♪ 1509 01:41:16,529 --> 01:41:18,549 ♪ In the army ♪ 1510 01:41:18,573 --> 01:41:20,342 Let me tell you what I'm gonna do. 1511 01:41:20,366 --> 01:41:22,177 I'm gonna run through some of them old songs. 1512 01:41:22,201 --> 01:41:26,223 Mom, I'm looking at you. I'm gonna have to call you to help me a little bit. 1513 01:41:26,247 --> 01:41:29,059 Some of them old holiness songs that you... 1514 01:41:29,083 --> 01:41:31,853 My... my... my grandma used to get up every Sunday night 1515 01:41:31,877 --> 01:41:35,399 and sing some of these songs, and before you knew it, 1516 01:41:35,423 --> 01:41:37,484 you know, we couldn't sing it long without... 1517 01:41:37,508 --> 01:41:38,652 We couldn't go to parties, 1518 01:41:38,676 --> 01:41:41,929 the only place we could dance was in the house of the Lord. 1519 01:41:43,014 --> 01:41:44,032 Yeah! 1520 01:41:44,056 --> 01:41:45,993 ♪ Got my war clothes on ♪ 1521 01:41:46,017 --> 01:41:47,744 ♪ In the army of the Lord ♪ 1522 01:41:47,768 --> 01:41:49,496 ♪ Got my war clothes on ♪ 1523 01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:50,872 ♪ In the army ♪ 1524 01:41:50,896 --> 01:41:52,958 ♪ I got my war clothes on ♪ 1525 01:41:52,982 --> 01:41:54,543 ♪ In the army of the Lord ♪ 1526 01:41:54,567 --> 01:41:56,420 ♪ Got my war clothes on ♪ 1527 01:41:56,444 --> 01:41:58,005 ♪ In the army ♪ 1528 01:41:58,029 --> 01:41:59,756 ♪ I'm a soldier ♪ 1529 01:41:59,780 --> 01:42:01,508 ♪ In the army of the Lord ♪ 1530 01:42:01,532 --> 01:42:03,218 ♪ I'm a soldier ♪ 1531 01:42:03,242 --> 01:42:04,761 ♪ In the army ♪ 1532 01:42:04,785 --> 01:42:06,638 ♪ If I die, let me die ♪ 1533 01:42:06,662 --> 01:42:08,181 ♪ In the army of the Lord ♪ 1534 01:42:08,205 --> 01:42:10,017 ♪ If I die, let me die ♪ 1535 01:42:10,041 --> 01:42:11,602 ♪ In the army ♪ 1536 01:42:11,626 --> 01:42:13,478 ♪ He's a great consolator ♪ 1537 01:42:13,502 --> 01:42:15,105 ♪ He consolated me ♪ 1538 01:42:15,129 --> 01:42:17,065 ♪ He's a great consolator ♪ 1539 01:42:17,089 --> 01:42:18,442 ♪ He consolated me ♪ 1540 01:42:18,466 --> 01:42:20,444 ♪ He's a great consolator ♪ 1541 01:42:20,468 --> 01:42:21,862 ♪ He consolated me ♪ 1542 01:42:21,886 --> 01:42:23,822 ♪ He's a great consolator ♪ 1543 01:42:23,846 --> 01:42:25,431 ♪ He consolated me ♪ 1544 01:42:33,981 --> 01:42:35,650 Come on, clap those hands. 1545 01:42:38,819 --> 01:42:40,922 ♪ I get joy when I think about ♪ 1546 01:42:40,946 --> 01:42:42,382 ♪ What he's done for me ♪ 1547 01:42:42,406 --> 01:42:44,301 ♪ I get joy when I think about ♪ 1548 01:42:44,325 --> 01:42:45,761 ♪ What he's done for me ♪ 1549 01:42:45,785 --> 01:42:47,721 ♪ I get joy when I think about ♪ 1550 01:42:47,745 --> 01:42:49,181 ♪ What he's done for me ♪ 1551 01:42:49,205 --> 01:42:50,891 ♪ I get joy when I think about ♪ 1552 01:42:50,915 --> 01:42:52,934 ♪ Oh, what he's done for me ♪ 1553 01:42:52,958 --> 01:42:54,770 ♪ You don't know like I know ♪ 1554 01:42:54,794 --> 01:42:56,313 ♪ What he's done for me ♪ 1555 01:42:56,337 --> 01:42:58,148 ♪ You don't know like I know ♪ 1556 01:42:58,172 --> 01:42:59,691 ♪ Oh, what he's done for me ♪ 1557 01:42:59,715 --> 01:43:01,568 ♪ You don't know like I know ♪ 1558 01:43:01,592 --> 01:43:03,028 ♪ What he's done for me ♪ 1559 01:43:03,052 --> 01:43:04,946 ♪ You don't know like I know ♪ 1560 01:43:04,970 --> 01:43:06,490 ♪ Oh, what he's done for me ♪ 1561 01:43:06,514 --> 01:43:08,325 ♪ You can't tell it like I can ♪ 1562 01:43:08,349 --> 01:43:09,701 ♪ What he's done for me ♪ 1563 01:43:09,725 --> 01:43:11,787 Come on. ♪ You can't tell it like I can ♪ 1564 01:43:11,811 --> 01:43:13,246 ♪ What he's done for me ♪ 1565 01:43:13,270 --> 01:43:15,123 ♪ You can't tell it like I can ♪ 1566 01:43:15,147 --> 01:43:16,625 ♪ What he's done for me ♪ 1567 01:43:16,649 --> 01:43:18,460 ♪ You can't tell it like I can ♪ 1568 01:43:18,484 --> 01:43:20,003 ♪ Oh, what he's done for me ♪ 1569 01:43:20,027 --> 01:43:23,239 Come here, Mama, you can help me sing some of this. Come on, now, baby. 1570 01:43:26,242 --> 01:43:27,243 Yeah! 1571 01:43:29,370 --> 01:43:30,705 Help me sing it, Mama. 1572 01:43:33,124 --> 01:43:35,352 ♪ I get joy when I think about ♪ 1573 01:43:35,376 --> 01:43:36,853 ♪ What he's done for me ♪ 1574 01:43:36,877 --> 01:43:39,898 - ♪ Joy when I think about ♪ - ♪ Oh, what he's done for me ♪ 1575 01:43:39,922 --> 01:43:42,150 ♪ I get joy when I think about ♪ 1576 01:43:42,174 --> 01:43:43,527 ♪ What he's done for me ♪ 1577 01:43:43,551 --> 01:43:46,697 - ♪ Joy when I think about ♪ - ♪ Oh, what he's done for me ♪ 1578 01:43:46,721 --> 01:43:50,200 - ♪ Joy when I think about ♪ - ♪ What he's done for me ♪ 1579 01:43:50,224 --> 01:43:53,537 - ♪ Joy when I think about ♪ - ♪ Oh, what he's done for me ♪ 1580 01:43:53,561 --> 01:43:56,998 - ♪ Joy when I think about ♪ - ♪ What he's done for me ♪ 1581 01:43:57,022 --> 01:44:00,252 - ♪ Joy when I think about ♪ - ♪ Oh, what he's done for me ♪ 1582 01:44:00,276 --> 01:44:02,295 ♪ Oh, you can't tell it like I tell it ♪ 1583 01:44:02,319 --> 01:44:03,672 ♪ What he's done for me ♪ 1584 01:44:03,696 --> 01:44:05,716 ♪ Oh, you can't tell it like I tell it ♪ 1585 01:44:05,740 --> 01:44:07,342 ♪ Oh, what he's done for me ♪ 1586 01:44:07,366 --> 01:44:09,344 ♪ You can't tell it like I tell it ♪ 1587 01:44:09,368 --> 01:44:10,762 ♪ What he's done for me ♪ 1588 01:44:10,786 --> 01:44:12,556 ♪ You can't tell it like I tell it ♪ 1589 01:44:12,580 --> 01:44:14,099 ♪ Oh, what he's done for me ♪ 1590 01:44:14,123 --> 01:44:15,892 ♪ You don't know like I know ♪ 1591 01:44:15,916 --> 01:44:17,269 ♪ What he's done for me ♪ 1592 01:44:17,293 --> 01:44:18,979 ♪ Oh, you don't know like I know ♪ 1593 01:44:19,003 --> 01:44:21,022 ♪ Oh, what he's done for me ♪ 1594 01:44:21,046 --> 01:44:22,816 ♪ You don't know like I know ♪ 1595 01:44:22,840 --> 01:44:24,317 ♪ What he's done for me ♪ 1596 01:44:24,341 --> 01:44:25,986 ♪ You don't know like I know ♪ 1597 01:44:26,010 --> 01:44:27,863 ♪ Oh, what he's done for me ♪ 1598 01:44:27,887 --> 01:44:29,489 ♪ What he's done for me ♪ 1599 01:44:29,513 --> 01:44:31,158 ♪ What he's done for me ♪ 1600 01:44:31,182 --> 01:44:32,826 ♪ What he's done for me ♪ 1601 01:44:32,850 --> 01:44:34,369 ♪ What he's done for me ♪ 1602 01:44:34,393 --> 01:44:36,204 ♪ What he's done for me ♪ 1603 01:44:36,228 --> 01:44:37,914 ♪ What he's done for me ♪ 1604 01:44:37,938 --> 01:44:41,609 - ♪ What he's done for me ♪ - ♪ Oh, what he's done for me ♪ 1605 01:44:43,402 --> 01:44:45,321 If you're really happy, jump. 1606 01:44:52,286 --> 01:44:55,247 Come on, jump for a little bit. Just a little bit. 1607 01:45:03,255 --> 01:45:04,691 Yeah! 1608 01:45:05,883 --> 01:45:07,486 ♪ Say "Yeah, yeah" ♪ 1609 01:45:07,510 --> 01:45:08,612 ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪ 1610 01:45:08,636 --> 01:45:12,555 ♪ Happy talking about the Lord ♪ 1611 01:45:12,556 --> 01:45:14,556 Team LiBERTAD 123419