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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,370 --> 00:00:06,370 Nelson Mandela has been in the Folks Hospital for two weeks, recovering from 2 00:00:06,370 --> 00:00:09,610 prostate operation, confined to a heavily guarded ward. 3 00:00:09,910 --> 00:00:16,309 His illness has caused grave concern, not only to us as a family, 4 00:00:16,450 --> 00:00:18,370 but to the entire world. 5 00:00:18,650 --> 00:00:23,490 I remember that very clearly. Suddenly I realised Mandela was no longer sitting 6 00:00:23,490 --> 00:00:26,830 in jail. He was in hospital where I had my consults at. 7 00:00:28,110 --> 00:00:29,110 1985. 8 00:00:29,500 --> 00:00:31,480 Our country become ungovernable. 9 00:00:34,540 --> 00:00:36,180 Bloodshed on the streets all over. 10 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,040 And that's the time Mandela ended up in hospital with a prostate length. 11 00:00:43,660 --> 00:00:47,980 The government was worried if this cancer spread and Mandela died in 12 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,000 there won't be an uprising in South Africa. 13 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:51,200 There will be a war. 14 00:00:52,100 --> 00:00:55,040 So the Minister of Justice, Kubi Kutsi, visited Mandela. 15 00:00:56,449 --> 00:01:00,670 Mandela was completely astonished. Minister of Justice of the Apartheid 16 00:01:00,670 --> 00:01:05,030 walks into his ward and, you know, greets him and wants to have a chat. 17 00:01:05,230 --> 00:01:08,970 But Mandela, being able to control his emotions and not have immediate 18 00:01:08,970 --> 00:01:12,810 reactions, then welcomes Cuivre Cotillo, though he's a long -lost friend. 19 00:01:13,610 --> 00:01:17,630 You are now really moving towards the goalposts of the story. 20 00:01:20,330 --> 00:01:22,330 How many leaders have that? 21 00:01:23,039 --> 00:01:25,640 Magnetic. The Africans, they want political independence. 22 00:01:27,300 --> 00:01:28,420 Only Mandela. 23 00:01:30,180 --> 00:01:35,860 We are fighting for a South Africa which can only be led by him. 24 00:01:38,940 --> 00:01:43,100 All over the world couldn't rest. We had to get him out. 25 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,180 They've got no education. 26 00:01:46,620 --> 00:01:48,200 They've only just come down from the trees. 27 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:54,460 The alternative is murder. 28 00:01:54,840 --> 00:02:00,060 I will have nothing to do with any organization that practices violence. 29 00:02:00,940 --> 00:02:07,420 You know that this can never, has never, and will never be right. 30 00:02:08,020 --> 00:02:14,540 It was a global struggle 31 00:02:14,540 --> 00:02:17,200 against blatant racism and oppression. 32 00:02:18,340 --> 00:02:20,880 Social movement can change the world. 33 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,720 And music can have that political power. 34 00:02:25,640 --> 00:02:30,200 We are here to celebrate Nasser and his brother. 35 00:02:31,420 --> 00:02:37,220 You must free him, and in freeing him, you free the people of South Africa. 36 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:53,460 What turned me on to South Africa was the song Biko 37 00:02:53,460 --> 00:02:57,680 by Peter Gabriel. 38 00:02:57,900 --> 00:03:02,520 It was so good that I decided to look into it. 39 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,200 It just went right to my soul. 40 00:03:12,660 --> 00:03:15,700 I need to know exactly what's going on, you know? 41 00:03:16,810 --> 00:03:20,510 And so I went down there and was really shocked. 42 00:03:20,830 --> 00:03:25,350 They were teaching as a part of their religion that black people were not 43 00:03:25,490 --> 00:03:26,670 that they were animals. 44 00:03:27,110 --> 00:03:30,730 They've got no education and it'll take them a couple of hundred years. 45 00:03:30,970 --> 00:03:32,410 They've only just come down from the trees. 46 00:03:32,930 --> 00:03:37,190 And then you have 23 million can't vote because they're black. 47 00:03:38,110 --> 00:03:43,090 This is deep, man. This is deeper than the kind of racism I was used to. 48 00:03:45,100 --> 00:03:51,300 And I'm down there, and part of the journey was to go to Sun City and have 49 00:03:51,300 --> 00:03:53,320 fun along the way, you know. 50 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:54,960 Sun City. 51 00:03:55,400 --> 00:04:00,320 It's a lavish resort where you can relax and enjoy some of the world's headline 52 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:05,760 entertainers. It's the showplace of Opotetswana, one of the so -called 53 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:07,000 independent homelands. 54 00:04:08,020 --> 00:04:12,700 The South African government had tried to create an artificial sort of Las 55 00:04:12,700 --> 00:04:14,320 that they called Sun City. 56 00:04:14,940 --> 00:04:19,220 and they were trying to get celebrities to come perform in Sun City. 57 00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:23,960 It's an enclave. It's not South Africa. It's independent territory. Come on. 58 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:29,360 So you weren't supporting this terrible regime in South Africa by playing Sun 59 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,520 City because it was a different country. 60 00:04:32,100 --> 00:04:37,160 And so I realized, wow, that's the hustle. Now I got it. 61 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:40,100 I'm going to use that. 62 00:04:40,620 --> 00:04:44,060 Let's get together and fight for what's right. 63 00:04:53,260 --> 00:04:58,460 When Mandela started talking to government officials, then I realized 64 00:04:58,460 --> 00:04:59,460 busy changing now. 65 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,420 First time we take him to the minister's house, Mandela made a statement to the 66 00:05:04,420 --> 00:05:08,440 minister and said, Sir, while I'm a prisoner, I can't negotiate with 67 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,660 I can only negotiate with government when I'm a free man. 68 00:05:12,340 --> 00:05:16,100 Then the minister said immediately to him, Mr. Mandela, please sit down and 69 00:05:16,100 --> 00:05:17,960 relax. This is not negotiation. 70 00:05:18,280 --> 00:05:19,540 We just have some talk. 71 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,760 That's when Mandela started talking to government. 72 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:28,320 Mandela had to negotiate with his immediate colleague in prison, and then 73 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,300 to negotiate with the ANC in exile. 74 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,380 He needed the tacit support of his colleagues. 75 00:05:36,500 --> 00:05:43,440 The essence of reaching a political solution means you sit down with 76 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:50,300 your enemy, you press your demand, he presses his, and then you 77 00:05:50,300 --> 00:05:51,600 have to meet. 78 00:05:52,090 --> 00:05:52,969 Each other. 79 00:05:52,970 --> 00:05:57,330 If you're not prepared for that, don't enter into negotiations. 80 00:05:58,310 --> 00:06:04,290 He was a very pragmatic person because you can't get your demands met 81 00:06:04,290 --> 00:06:06,630 if you are hostile. 82 00:06:07,410 --> 00:06:10,690 His whole thing was about winning. 83 00:06:11,370 --> 00:06:16,990 Whereas with Oliver Tambo, he was this forward -looking 84 00:06:16,990 --> 00:06:18,990 strategist. 85 00:06:20,170 --> 00:06:22,330 There were three groupings, basically. 86 00:06:23,230 --> 00:06:28,510 External leadership, led by Oliver Tumble, the mass democratic movement in 87 00:06:28,510 --> 00:06:30,810 Africa, and then the Robben Island prisoners. 88 00:06:31,330 --> 00:06:34,930 The important theme was to coordinate all three. 89 00:06:35,910 --> 00:06:41,130 So we had a constitutional committee of the ANC set up by Oliver Tumble. 90 00:06:41,370 --> 00:06:44,930 We were working on preparing for a new constitution for South Africa. 91 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,580 So when the moment of negotiations came, we'd be ready. 92 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:55,980 You know, I think that Oliver Tumble worked very hard 93 00:06:55,980 --> 00:07:02,660 for it. To engage everybody in the world and let them fight 94 00:07:02,660 --> 00:07:06,500 this because it's not something we can win alone. 95 00:07:12,910 --> 00:07:16,230 When you have a righteous cause, I mean, you know, you become dangerous. 96 00:07:16,870 --> 00:07:20,870 The end game was going to be the anti -apartheid economic legislation. 97 00:07:21,250 --> 00:07:23,090 But we knew Reagan was going to veto. 98 00:07:23,750 --> 00:07:28,010 The post -apartheid South Africa is to remain the economic locomotive of 99 00:07:28,010 --> 00:07:29,010 Southern Africa. 100 00:07:29,250 --> 00:07:32,190 Its strong and developed economy must not be crippled. 101 00:07:33,090 --> 00:07:35,790 So, passing legislation, how do we get there? 102 00:07:36,110 --> 00:07:37,630 Well, just by raising awareness. 103 00:07:38,270 --> 00:07:39,750 We don't want to hear any music. 104 00:07:39,970 --> 00:07:41,570 I wrote the whole Sun City story. 105 00:07:42,170 --> 00:07:43,470 very, very directly. 106 00:07:46,810 --> 00:07:53,430 We wanted to make very clear 107 00:07:53,430 --> 00:07:59,070 that that was a lie and therefore I ain't gonna play Sun City, you know? 108 00:08:02,690 --> 00:08:09,510 You know, the thing that people criticize about social movements is 109 00:08:09,510 --> 00:08:10,670 when it's too vague. 110 00:08:11,130 --> 00:08:14,590 What was so great about that song is its specificity. 111 00:08:16,870 --> 00:08:20,890 It had one thing in mind. 112 00:08:23,690 --> 00:08:24,750 I just love that. 113 00:08:25,010 --> 00:08:27,190 Because people didn't even know what Sun City was. 114 00:08:30,830 --> 00:08:34,250 This is apolitical. It doesn't matter what side you're on. It's common sense. 115 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,680 The song and the video had to reflect what I consider to be an embarrassment. 116 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,360 Music was so important. 117 00:08:56,860 --> 00:09:01,580 It made people who weren't paying attention pay attention. 118 00:09:05,820 --> 00:09:09,800 We've got to be better storytellers than the other side. Great pop songs are 119 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:10,800 propaganda. 120 00:09:18,730 --> 00:09:21,890 We shut down the resort overnight. I mean, they got completely shut down. 121 00:09:22,090 --> 00:09:24,290 It was amazing how effective it was, actually. 122 00:09:26,730 --> 00:09:31,830 It became a mainstream issue. The United States should not be supporting 123 00:09:31,830 --> 00:09:37,390 apartheid. Chase Manhattan Bank, for example, said we're not going to roll 124 00:09:37,390 --> 00:09:40,170 any more loans to South Africa. That was a death knell. 125 00:09:40,750 --> 00:09:46,370 The government knew that change was in the wind, and they couldn't stop it. 126 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:51,320 President Reagan has fought long and hard to prevent Congress from imposing 127 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,380 economic sanctions against South Africa. 128 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:58,260 Today he longed. The Senate joined the House in overriding Mr. Reagan's veto. 129 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,860 That was a huge victory, man. And that was only a matter of time before the 130 00:10:03,860 --> 00:10:04,860 dominoes would fall. 131 00:10:05,620 --> 00:10:10,660 It's a bad, miserable attitude from the father of the United States to apply 132 00:10:10,660 --> 00:10:14,460 sanctions against a developing country, one of the best developing countries in 133 00:10:14,460 --> 00:10:19,950 Africa. When we were cut off from international financing, and I was 134 00:10:19,950 --> 00:10:25,710 Finance then, in the thinking in the National Party, if they start taking 135 00:10:25,710 --> 00:10:30,670 our armaments, then we'll make it ourselves. 136 00:10:31,530 --> 00:10:36,210 When our oil was being boycotted, we made our own oil. 137 00:10:36,530 --> 00:10:41,230 But one thing we could not make, and that was dollars. 138 00:10:42,510 --> 00:10:44,410 We couldn't print our own dollars. 139 00:10:45,870 --> 00:10:50,630 Stock prices in South Africa began to drop sharply, and the value of the South 140 00:10:50,630 --> 00:10:55,510 African currency, the rand, took a nosedive. By the middle of last week, 141 00:10:55,510 --> 00:10:59,290 government's racial crisis had become a financial crisis as well. 142 00:11:00,010 --> 00:11:02,690 We had to suffer that humiliation. 143 00:11:03,670 --> 00:11:10,350 So that was adding more dimension to an already very difficult 144 00:11:10,350 --> 00:11:11,350 situation. 145 00:11:15,020 --> 00:11:21,080 The level of protest, resistance and violence, South Africa was like a 146 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:26,140 cooker. The latest victim of the necklace died this weekend after the 147 00:11:26,140 --> 00:11:30,360 unrest victims were found in unmarked coffins. The undertaker's home was burnt 148 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:35,040 down, a petrol -soaked tire was put around her neck and set alight. Death by 149 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,420 necklace, reserved for so -called collaborators. 150 00:11:38,300 --> 00:11:42,100 In a series of speeches in black townships around Johannesburg, including 151 00:11:42,100 --> 00:11:46,680 Soweto, she again ignored an order which banned her from speaking in public. 152 00:11:47,180 --> 00:11:52,920 When Winnie Mandela came back to Soweto from the period of banishment, she was 153 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,620 the face of resistance to apartheid. 154 00:11:57,420 --> 00:12:00,540 I am back with you where I belong. 155 00:12:01,100 --> 00:12:05,780 This is now the right time to take your country. 156 00:12:06,590 --> 00:12:10,190 Dealing with her was a major headache for the ANC, and for Mandela in 157 00:12:10,190 --> 00:12:14,730 particular, because she did her own thing. She was not always a loyal and 158 00:12:14,730 --> 00:12:19,170 obedient comrade of the ANC. She was very radical in her resistance. 159 00:12:20,450 --> 00:12:23,370 With our necklaces, we shall liberate this country. 160 00:12:23,630 --> 00:12:29,590 We do not approve of the necklaces. 161 00:12:30,530 --> 00:12:35,390 It gives satisfaction to some people. It doesn't to the ANC. 162 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:04,920 Yes, Winnie had become more militant than my grandfather, justifiably so. 163 00:13:05,870 --> 00:13:08,050 My grandfather was insulated by prison. 164 00:13:09,670 --> 00:13:14,990 We were facing bullets. We were facing children that were being slaughtered. So 165 00:13:14,990 --> 00:13:17,870 he was at the blood, at the eye of the storm. 166 00:13:18,630 --> 00:13:20,130 My grandfather wasn't. 167 00:13:30,850 --> 00:13:33,130 Being a revolutionary was... 168 00:13:36,550 --> 00:13:42,710 It was putting yourself totally on the line for a beautiful world. 169 00:13:43,670 --> 00:13:50,390 Free Nelson Mandela was much more than just free Nelson Mandela from 170 00:13:50,390 --> 00:13:51,309 Robben Island. 171 00:13:51,310 --> 00:13:57,250 It was free everybody in the world, free all the oppressed people. 172 00:13:59,790 --> 00:14:03,910 It's the 7th of April, public holiday in Mozambique. 173 00:14:05,379 --> 00:14:10,520 and I'm going to spend the morning on the beach, meetings in the afternoon, 174 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:11,960 I go down to my car. 175 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:13,160 I 176 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:20,620 don't 177 00:14:20,620 --> 00:14:23,080 know what's happening. Something terrible is happening. I'm in total, 178 00:14:23,100 --> 00:14:24,100 total darkness. 179 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:31,760 Conscious not coming back. 180 00:14:33,380 --> 00:14:34,380 And I'm in... 181 00:14:34,540 --> 00:14:39,520 Total darkness disappearing, reappearing in consciousness. 182 00:14:45,900 --> 00:14:52,260 I hear a voice saying, Albie, your arm is in lamentable condition. 183 00:14:52,980 --> 00:14:54,860 You must face the future with courage. 184 00:14:57,860 --> 00:15:02,300 That moment you're waiting for as a freedom fighter, they come for me. Will 185 00:15:02,300 --> 00:15:04,120 brave? But I get through. 186 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:05,860 Will it be tonight? Will it be tomorrow? 187 00:15:06,260 --> 00:15:08,160 They come for me. They try to kill me. 188 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:10,640 And I survived. 189 00:15:17,540 --> 00:15:22,020 I'm being flown to London because South African security used to follow people 190 00:15:22,020 --> 00:15:26,220 into hospital and give them poison whom they hadn't managed to kill. 191 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,340 The attack on me, it was like almost... 192 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:36,760 last attempts of the ultra -ferocious elements in the security to 193 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:42,900 show their power, seeing that negotiations might emerge. 194 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:50,780 As I'm wheeled out, I see a soldier with a gun, and I say, no more guns. 195 00:15:52,380 --> 00:15:53,460 No more guns. 196 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,820 We've got to find other ways. 197 00:16:02,890 --> 00:16:08,130 I was totally surprised in some way that government at least reached out to 198 00:16:08,130 --> 00:16:12,850 Mandela, talked to him, and had discussions with him. That is what 199 00:16:12,850 --> 00:16:15,530 fights for before he gets to prison in the 60s. 200 00:16:15,830 --> 00:16:20,490 But nobody wanted to sit down. Only him was talking at that stage of the half of 201 00:16:20,490 --> 00:16:21,490 the ANC. 202 00:16:21,630 --> 00:16:27,650 There were suspicions that Mandela had been kind of co -opted and was not 203 00:16:27,650 --> 00:16:29,190 deliberately setting up the movement. 204 00:16:30,220 --> 00:16:32,900 But he'd lost touch with the realities of today. 205 00:16:33,620 --> 00:16:37,600 I don't believe he would be in a position to discuss any kind of truth. 206 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:44,040 How on earth can men who have been out of the picture for 25 years be expected 207 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:48,280 to discuss the political situation of our country behind bars? 208 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:50,880 He has no mandate to discuss. 209 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,140 Oliver Tambor was the person that Medela had to keep on board at all costs. 210 00:16:55,340 --> 00:16:59,020 And there was a real relationship of trust between them. But Tambor was 211 00:16:59,020 --> 00:17:03,560 beginning... to get very concerned and wrote Mandela a letter in which he made 212 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:08,160 it very clear that Mandela was not to cross the line. 213 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:14,720 There were rocky moments as to whether Mandela's strategy was going to work. 214 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:26,020 In the late 80s, the anti -partic movement had local groups all over the 215 00:17:26,020 --> 00:17:28,440 and thousands and thousands of members. 216 00:17:29,450 --> 00:17:35,270 But the intransigence of the British government and the US was huge. 217 00:17:43,470 --> 00:17:50,310 There were a number 218 00:17:50,310 --> 00:17:55,490 of different things that happened, like people calling on local authorities to 219 00:17:55,490 --> 00:17:57,550 name buildings after Nelson Mandela. 220 00:17:59,050 --> 00:18:04,290 The headquarters of the Antipasad movement moved to Silu Street in Camden, 221 00:18:04,290 --> 00:18:07,990 Camden Council changed the name of that street to Mandela Street. 222 00:18:09,790 --> 00:18:10,950 Wasn't that wonderful? 223 00:18:12,190 --> 00:18:17,510 But, you know, the British Antipasad movement, we were quite ambitious. We 224 00:18:17,510 --> 00:18:20,970 wanted a big event around Mandela's 70th birthday. 225 00:18:22,350 --> 00:18:27,090 In 1985, I worked with and put on Miriam McCaber. 226 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:28,860 at the Royal Festival Hall. 227 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:32,180 Now, I'd like to get the best -known singer ever to come out of South Africa. 228 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:36,420 She's also an uncompromising and public opponent of the regime there. Please 229 00:18:36,420 --> 00:18:37,920 welcome Miriam Makeba. 230 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:45,600 She challenged me on that occasion quite explicitly to do something against the 231 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,400 apartheid regime in South Africa. 232 00:18:47,820 --> 00:18:52,240 Mrs. Patu has a view that the sanctions will not work against South Africa. I 233 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,340 wish she felt that way about Libya. 234 00:18:54,970 --> 00:19:00,110 and all these other countries, but when it comes to South Africa, then sanctions 235 00:19:00,110 --> 00:19:01,110 won't work. 236 00:19:01,350 --> 00:19:08,170 The songs, the concerts, they were all individual activities that weren't 237 00:19:08,170 --> 00:19:10,910 reaching very, very large audiences all at once. 238 00:19:11,310 --> 00:19:15,670 And what our objective was, was to get the world's broadcasts. 239 00:19:16,650 --> 00:19:22,990 But it was tricky. Under their licence conditions, they weren't allowed to 240 00:19:22,990 --> 00:19:24,350 support a political cause. 241 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:29,160 They could report on them, but they couldn't support them. However justified 242 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:34,160 may feel your cause is, however unjust apartheid is, you still run an 243 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:38,340 organisation that is at least in part a terrorist organisation that kills 244 00:19:38,340 --> 00:19:43,100 innocent people, is that not so? No, I reject that most vehemently. And so I 245 00:19:43,100 --> 00:19:48,000 thought of the idea of creating something called the Nelson Mandela 70th 246 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:53,780 Birthday Tribute and making it a musical tribute to the man. 247 00:19:54,170 --> 00:19:59,810 Because music, under the licence conditions of broadcasters, is not 248 00:20:00,570 --> 00:20:06,690 When the Wembley concert happened, we approached a really big stadium act, in 249 00:20:06,690 --> 00:20:11,530 particular Simple Minds. This is Simple Minds. 250 00:20:12,470 --> 00:20:17,730 Clapham Common Concert was already a big deal, but everyone, after seeing what 251 00:20:17,730 --> 00:20:23,210 Geldof had done with Live Aid, they thought, we need it on a larger scale. 252 00:20:24,650 --> 00:20:29,370 As the BBC announced that they were a broadcaster of this, the Conservative 253 00:20:29,370 --> 00:20:34,930 Party tried to take them to court for breaking their licence conditions. They 254 00:20:34,930 --> 00:20:37,050 weren't allowed to take a political line. 255 00:20:37,550 --> 00:20:42,770 I remember hearing that it was going to be called the Nelson Mandela's 70th 256 00:20:42,770 --> 00:20:45,390 birthday concert and thinking, that's really clever. 257 00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:49,710 Certainly their mandate wasn't to be broadcasting political concerts. 258 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,020 But you have to sometimes find out how you get through the water without 259 00:20:54,020 --> 00:20:59,480 wet. If you're a fan of rock music, pop music at all, the idea behind it is that 260 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,580 the day after the concert, you go out and check it out for yourself. 261 00:21:04,020 --> 00:21:10,620 There were elements in the Young Conservatives who were virulently 262 00:21:10,620 --> 00:21:14,560 some of them even had badges and T -shirts with Hang Mandela. 263 00:21:15,110 --> 00:21:19,530 Yesterday, the South Africans criticised the BBC's plans to televise a concert 264 00:21:19,530 --> 00:21:24,250 this Saturday, which marks the 70th birthday of Nelson Mandela, the 265 00:21:24,250 --> 00:21:25,470 leader of the ANC. 266 00:21:25,810 --> 00:21:30,710 At Westminster, 24 Conservative MPs have added their voice. They've put down a 267 00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:33,310 motion expressing their distaste at the plan. 268 00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:37,130 There are people wanting reform in South Africa, but they want peaceful reform. 269 00:21:37,410 --> 00:21:39,810 What simple minds are looking for is violent reform. 270 00:21:40,130 --> 00:21:44,250 The BBC were tugging on something that they knew was a political hot potato. 271 00:21:44,890 --> 00:21:50,350 But they had the courage to do that. There is going to be a rock concert in 272 00:21:50,350 --> 00:21:53,450 London's Wembley Stadium tomorrow that's billed as bigger than Live Aid. 273 00:21:53,650 --> 00:21:55,710 You know, you have this moment of interpretation. 274 00:21:56,150 --> 00:22:01,290 How is this thing going to work? Will it work? This is not going to be like any 275 00:22:01,290 --> 00:22:02,290 other concert. 276 00:22:34,550 --> 00:22:40,950 I remember the song 277 00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:43,090 that we wrote for the event. 278 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,700 It's called Mandela Day. 279 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:56,840 Our keyboard player at the time, Mick McNeil, he was setting up a drum 280 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,040 And the first thing he put up, it sounded like a heartbeat. 281 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,320 And we thought, oh, that's great. A heartbeat. He's a human. 282 00:23:05,780 --> 00:23:08,680 But when you think of Mandela, I mean, he was almost a myth. 283 00:23:11,140 --> 00:23:12,140 The last ending. 284 00:23:12,570 --> 00:23:16,010 the anti -apartheid movement was using, he was still a young man. 285 00:23:20,050 --> 00:23:20,490 So 286 00:23:20,490 --> 00:23:27,270 this 287 00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:30,470 idea of this myth, yeah, he is a myth, but he's not a myth. 288 00:23:30,790 --> 00:23:31,850 He's a human being. 289 00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:47,840 When it was set free Nelson Mandela, it was basically set free all the political 290 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:48,840 prisoners. 291 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:55,280 We all appreciated that there is this concerted effort for us to be free. 292 00:23:55,660 --> 00:24:01,940 That not only spoke to us being freed as prisoners, but it spoke to us being 293 00:24:01,940 --> 00:24:02,940 freed as a country. 294 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:18,540 They were being drawn into this by just the sheer weight, if you like, of the 295 00:24:18,540 --> 00:24:20,440 talent that they were going to watch. 296 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,240 But what they then got... Hello, England! Hello, world! 297 00:24:28,060 --> 00:24:30,480 ..was something very different. 298 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,880 They got informed by way of the presenter telling them who Mandela was 299 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,760 apartheid was. They got that emotional experience. 300 00:24:59,260 --> 00:25:03,880 I'm recovering in the hospital in London, so I watched it on TV. 301 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,500 And I heard that song. 302 00:25:07,540 --> 00:25:10,120 Ring, Nelson Mandela. 303 00:25:15,820 --> 00:25:18,940 This is the best possible medicine I could have had. 304 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:26,800 The concert at Wembley made you feel that you were part of a huge 305 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:27,800 change. 306 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:32,760 Yeah, 307 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:40,140 I felt really proud, actually, of what we'd done as a movement. 308 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:47,640 And I thought, fuck the Tories. 309 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,040 We've done this. 310 00:25:54,940 --> 00:25:55,520 I 311 00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:03,260 informed 312 00:26:03,260 --> 00:26:09,060 Mandela about a concert which was in the UK. 313 00:26:09,500 --> 00:26:11,820 Performing for him for his 70th birthday. 314 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:26,160 We just sort of said, we just thought to say happy birthday. 315 00:26:26,780 --> 00:26:27,980 Nothing else. 316 00:26:29,860 --> 00:26:35,360 We just thought to say we 317 00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:37,940 love you. 318 00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:42,120 And we made it. 319 00:26:44,260 --> 00:26:48,680 He was very happy and he was really enjoying it. 320 00:26:49,150 --> 00:26:51,990 You know, Mandela loves music. He really loves music. 321 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,460 This broadcast event reached 600 million people. 322 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,800 600 million people when there are only 5 billion in the world. 323 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:48,420 Probably 100 countries' broadcasters across the world broadcasting a tribute 324 00:27:48,420 --> 00:27:51,640 Nelson Mandela when he's in prison still. 325 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,700 It's sort of... The apartheid government had lost. 326 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,680 We were aware of it. 327 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:09,120 It was necessary for all members of the State Security Council and all members 328 00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:13,480 of Parliament, in fact, to take note of that and to help think, how do we 329 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:14,480 respond? 330 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,420 After that concert, everybody wanted to be Mandela's friend. 331 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,820 There was a gift from Margaret Thatcher, you know, because they want votes and 332 00:28:24,820 --> 00:28:27,080 they could see how popular the campaign was. 333 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,020 Our cause... 334 00:28:31,610 --> 00:28:34,310 was now supported by the entire world. 335 00:28:34,810 --> 00:28:38,290 The part of South Africa was completely isolated. 336 00:28:46,550 --> 00:28:50,630 Nelson Mandela was admitted to Cape Town's Tigerburg Hospital yesterday. 337 00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:53,750 Since then, he's had tests on his left lung. 338 00:28:54,090 --> 00:28:58,550 His wife, Winnie, who returned to visit him today, was shocked by his condition 339 00:28:58,550 --> 00:29:01,350 then. though doctors have said he has since improved. 340 00:29:02,410 --> 00:29:07,850 There was concern within government that the clock is ticking, Mandela is 70 341 00:29:07,850 --> 00:29:10,010 years old, he's had health issues. 342 00:29:10,810 --> 00:29:15,310 Within hours of Nelson Mandela's secret transfer to this comfortable Cape Town 343 00:29:15,310 --> 00:29:19,690 clinic, he was visited in his ยฃ40 -a -day private room by the Minister of 344 00:29:19,690 --> 00:29:22,590 Justice, one of several ministers favouring his release. 345 00:29:23,090 --> 00:29:25,970 So it all became a little precarious. 346 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,560 He could go at any time and there would be no replacement. 347 00:29:30,380 --> 00:29:33,860 If we're going to get the understanding and settlement done, we'd better do it 348 00:29:33,860 --> 00:29:34,860 pretty soon. 349 00:29:35,260 --> 00:29:41,040 If he had died in prison, you know, that would have been a terrible thing. 350 00:29:42,060 --> 00:29:46,340 Mr Mandela was suddenly moved from a Cape Town clinic to the grounds of a 351 00:29:46,340 --> 00:29:50,680 prison. He occupies a house said by the South African government to be 352 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,940 comfortable and secure, but he remains a prisoner behind barbed wire. 353 00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:02,840 When I reached Victor V, I was very sorry because I was leaving my 354 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:03,840 behind. 355 00:30:04,100 --> 00:30:06,860 But after a few weeks, I loved it. 356 00:30:07,740 --> 00:30:11,580 You know, that period, I was visiting there at least three to four days a 357 00:30:11,700 --> 00:30:16,880 I was there quite a lot of times. We would take Walter Susulu on one basis to 358 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,380 meet Mandela for the day. 359 00:30:18,860 --> 00:30:22,440 Then later we'd take the whole Rivonia trial group there to meet him for the 360 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:23,440 day. 361 00:30:23,540 --> 00:30:25,160 Suddenly, Mandela had control. 362 00:30:25,820 --> 00:30:30,560 He saw a tremendous trail of people, mainly obviously anti -apartheid people, 363 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,420 trade unionists, politicians. 364 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,560 He was then able to basically see anybody he wanted. 365 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:44,180 So at the height of the movement to free Mandela, both domestically and 366 00:30:44,180 --> 00:30:49,020 internationally, at this point, a bomb literally explodes. 367 00:30:50,340 --> 00:30:54,640 According to police, the decomposed body of Stompy McKenzie was found on an open 368 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,940 space of land in Soweto after an anonymous telephone call. 369 00:30:58,740 --> 00:31:02,380 We hear that something has gone badly wrong with Winnie Mandela. 370 00:31:03,580 --> 00:31:08,420 So when she came back to Soweto, she formed this thing called the Mandela 371 00:31:08,420 --> 00:31:13,960 Football Club, which was basically a bunch of former convicts and various 372 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,080 sort of cobbled together. 373 00:31:15,780 --> 00:31:17,880 And the football club were, if you like, 374 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,320 Her bodyguards, basically. 375 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:27,540 The story is that a young activist, Stomping McKenzie, has died as a result 376 00:31:27,540 --> 00:31:34,000 being assaulted by the football club, and Winnie Mandela was present. 377 00:31:34,460 --> 00:31:38,840 For the first time, graffiti on the streets of Johannesburg attacking Winnie 378 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:43,420 Mandela. A public fall from grace, providing perfect propaganda for her 379 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,980 Things really got out of hand by that time. 380 00:31:48,540 --> 00:31:53,820 I called and I told him I was just in the news. 381 00:31:56,460 --> 00:31:57,880 He was silent. 382 00:32:01,620 --> 00:32:08,040 That it could even be dreamt that I would be responsible for the murder 383 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:14,900 of a child when I have spent all my life fighting against 384 00:32:14,900 --> 00:32:17,560 these injustices appalls me. 385 00:32:18,730 --> 00:32:22,390 Clearly things had gone very badly wrong with the football club. 386 00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:26,830 Mrs. Mandela arrived in Cape Town this morning and left immediately for the 387 00:32:26,830 --> 00:32:29,630 Victor Bastet prison where her husband Nelson is being held. 388 00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:33,230 That was a crucial moment. 389 00:32:33,490 --> 00:32:38,070 That was the moment in which the whole thing could have exploded completely. 390 00:32:38,550 --> 00:32:43,690 Willie was under intense investigation and it would take a couple of years to 391 00:32:43,690 --> 00:32:44,990 get to the bottom of the whole story. 392 00:32:45,580 --> 00:32:50,360 Mrs. Mandela has refused to discuss her conversation with her husband, but he's 393 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,920 known to have been deeply concerned by the so -called football club, which has 394 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,340 done little to honour his name. 395 00:32:56,340 --> 00:33:01,400 It was the worst time of her life at her lowest. 396 00:33:01,740 --> 00:33:07,620 And of course, even poor Nurse Mandela tried but could not do much. 397 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:13,980 A part eight ultimately came out in its worst form. 398 00:33:14,830 --> 00:33:17,270 The worst side of Winnie Mandela. 399 00:33:18,270 --> 00:33:24,450 Oh, it was the saddest thing of his life because he loved his wife. 400 00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:26,250 He loved Winnie. 401 00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:33,990 And in the end, that marriage broke down. 402 00:33:41,810 --> 00:33:43,270 The Iron Curtain. 403 00:33:43,710 --> 00:33:49,590 It's being torn down, the Berlin Wall, brick by brick, pushed over. 404 00:33:50,490 --> 00:33:54,210 The world was more malleable than people had told you. 405 00:33:54,430 --> 00:33:56,930 This could never happen, but it was happening. 406 00:33:57,170 --> 00:34:02,810 And it just felt like a moment where everything's possible. 407 00:34:04,330 --> 00:34:09,949 The global west was now calling for the end of apartheid to come ASAP, and there 408 00:34:09,949 --> 00:34:11,110 was no more time left. 409 00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:17,139 The President of South Africa, P .W. Borta, has resigned as leader of the 410 00:34:17,139 --> 00:34:22,219 National Party. Mr. Borta, who's 73, suffered a stroke two weeks ago. The 411 00:34:22,219 --> 00:34:25,980 Education Minister, F .W. de Klerk, will take over as party leader. 412 00:34:27,580 --> 00:34:32,460 We are in contact with the ANC at the moment with regard to the possibility of 413 00:34:32,460 --> 00:34:39,300 meeting. It has become politically imperative to release him and to have 414 00:34:39,300 --> 00:34:40,300 participate. 415 00:34:41,900 --> 00:34:47,699 F .W. de Klerk had only one significant meeting with Mandela, and Mandela did 416 00:34:47,699 --> 00:34:51,620 not want to be released on Pretoria terms. 417 00:34:51,940 --> 00:34:53,699 He wanted to be released on his terms. 418 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:59,280 He wanted to be released when his colleagues were all out of prison and 419 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,720 to prepare the ground for his release. 420 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,160 It never dawned on me that he would be one day released. 421 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,860 He invited all of us. We had lunch at the town. 422 00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:15,400 And he told us, we will be released. They were like music to my ears. 423 00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:22,020 I wish to put it plain that the government has taken a firm decision to 424 00:35:22,020 --> 00:35:23,780 Mr. Mandela unconditionally. 425 00:35:26,220 --> 00:35:29,580 You know, without our identity, we sit with this. 426 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:36,120 And for him, his identity, no one was ever going to take his identity. 427 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,120 Not apartheid, not imprisonment, not anything. 428 00:35:53,230 --> 00:35:59,150 I have fought against white domination and I have fought 429 00:35:59,150 --> 00:36:01,770 against black domination. 430 00:36:07,230 --> 00:36:13,550 I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society 431 00:36:13,550 --> 00:36:18,290 in which all persons lived together in harmony. 432 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,140 It is an idea for which I hope to live for. 433 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:35,320 But my love, if it needs being, it is an idea for which I am prepared 434 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,160 to die. 435 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,860 This is Victor versus the prison outside Cape Town on the 11th of February 1990. 436 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:53,880 In a few moments, Nelson Mandela is due to walk away from here after 27 years of 437 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,080 incarceration in South African jail. 438 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:11,680 There's Mr. Mandela, Mr. Nelson Mandela, a free man taking his first steps 439 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,800 into a new South Africa. 440 00:37:24,620 --> 00:37:30,940 they finally walked out and it it was it was really real 441 00:37:30,940 --> 00:37:38,340 tens 442 00:37:38,340 --> 00:37:42,000 perhaps hundreds of thousands of south africans gathered in the center of cape 443 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,960 town to welcome the leader whose prestige has never been higher 444 00:38:11,180 --> 00:38:14,060 I must confess I'm unable to describe my emotions. 445 00:38:15,140 --> 00:38:20,540 I was completely overwhelmed by the enthusiasm. 446 00:38:21,700 --> 00:38:26,000 I have lost a great deal over these 27 years. 447 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,940 Despite the hard times that we've had in prison, there have been men, you know, 448 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:38,460 who are very good in the sense that they understand our point of view. 449 00:38:39,210 --> 00:38:43,350 and they do everything to try and make you as happy as possible. 450 00:38:43,830 --> 00:38:47,590 And that has wiped out any bitterness which a man could have. 451 00:38:50,190 --> 00:38:55,570 When I think of myself during that time, I was so happy to see him happy. 452 00:38:58,390 --> 00:39:03,350 I was so happy to be part of the parcel, to see him as a free man. 453 00:39:05,330 --> 00:39:07,990 I was part of the advance. 454 00:39:08,540 --> 00:39:13,740 that organized these first tours out 455 00:39:13,740 --> 00:39:18,160 of this world. 456 00:39:21,020 --> 00:39:27,500 After all the years of exile and all the suffering and everything, 457 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,440 it was such a validation. 458 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:36,280 People just... But it was because of Oliver Campbell's anti 459 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,610 -apartheid. movement that he organized. 460 00:39:40,170 --> 00:39:42,910 He is the architect of all of that. 461 00:39:43,630 --> 00:39:49,710 When I was released, I made it a point that I was going to visit him because he 462 00:39:49,710 --> 00:39:54,790 is the one man who has been able to keep the organization together for the last 463 00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:55,790 three decades. 464 00:39:59,270 --> 00:40:04,630 Ten months after the Nelson Mandela's 70th birthday tribute, Mandela sends his 465 00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:05,850 lawyer, Ishmael Ale, 466 00:40:06,670 --> 00:40:12,210 to be me in London to say, would I do a second global broadcast event? 467 00:40:12,750 --> 00:40:16,770 They wished to give him a global platform as soon after he's released as 468 00:40:16,770 --> 00:40:17,770 possible. 469 00:40:19,890 --> 00:40:25,470 And within 54 days of his release, we had the second global broadcast event. 470 00:40:27,630 --> 00:40:29,830 54 days later, he was with us. 471 00:40:57,049 --> 00:40:59,530 that you chose to care. 472 00:41:05,550 --> 00:41:11,470 When you worked with him closely, there was always a 473 00:41:11,470 --> 00:41:14,070 kind of deep sadness. 474 00:41:14,530 --> 00:41:21,410 It was the pain of... He carried the 475 00:41:21,410 --> 00:41:23,270 pain of oppression. 476 00:41:24,430 --> 00:41:25,770 Very personally. 477 00:41:26,590 --> 00:41:32,410 There was always, for me, the picture of this man who 478 00:41:32,410 --> 00:41:36,530 had given his life to the people of South Africa. 479 00:41:54,350 --> 00:41:56,250 You take my life away. 480 00:41:58,470 --> 00:42:01,730 The faster I will run. 481 00:42:04,590 --> 00:42:11,130 You can deny me. You can decide to turn 482 00:42:11,130 --> 00:42:13,750 your face away. 483 00:42:16,810 --> 00:42:18,870 No matter. 484 00:42:32,350 --> 00:42:38,930 When he was released, I thought, you know, I'm going to have him to myself. 485 00:42:38,930 --> 00:42:43,830 going to have coffee, we go to movies. 486 00:42:44,670 --> 00:42:49,490 That was shattered because he suddenly became the grandfather of the entire 487 00:42:49,490 --> 00:42:50,850 world, let alone South Africa. 488 00:42:52,530 --> 00:42:58,310 When the choice was made to him, who he would choose between country and family, 489 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,040 It shows country every time. 490 00:43:01,220 --> 00:43:02,520 I was resentful. 491 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:22,360 One feels we cannot really express what we feel for one another, you know, 492 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,260 because part of ourselves remains behind bars. 493 00:43:28,140 --> 00:43:34,700 ... ... ... ... 494 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:08,500 For me, it was almost like the very deep prayer 495 00:44:08,500 --> 00:44:15,000 that had brought through the ages to say this is where we come from. 496 00:44:15,420 --> 00:44:21,980 And the road and the path that we have travelled has always been thorny, but we 497 00:44:21,980 --> 00:44:25,980 have to keep on soldiering on. That's what Nkosi Sigelela was. 498 00:44:40,220 --> 00:44:46,080 We did bring down apartheid. We did achieve our basic aims to destroy that 499 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:50,980 system of complete denial of self -determination to African people. We 500 00:44:50,980 --> 00:44:54,800 have a huge way to go and lots of things are absolutely intolerable. 501 00:44:55,340 --> 00:45:01,960 But that main project of the Mandela -Tambor generation has been achieved, 502 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:08,860 giving people rights and the rights to bring about changes so that everybody 503 00:45:08,860 --> 00:45:12,280 truly feels South Africa belongs to all who live in it. 504 00:45:12,660 --> 00:45:15,800 The time for the healing of the wounds has come. 505 00:45:16,220 --> 00:45:21,780 The moment to preach the cause that divides us has come. 506 00:45:22,460 --> 00:45:24,000 The time to give. 507 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:31,200 It made me feel guilty to get to know this extraordinary man. 508 00:45:33,180 --> 00:45:37,580 I said to him one day, I'm a representative of the people who kept 509 00:45:37,580 --> 00:45:44,540 incarcerated and yet you treated me with the utmost courtesy and respect. 510 00:45:45,380 --> 00:45:52,180 And I want to tell you that I believe you are a God -gifted person to be so 511 00:45:52,180 --> 00:45:53,180 tolerant. 512 00:45:53,870 --> 00:46:00,090 We feel embarrassed that that should have been done to him. We didn't 513 00:46:00,090 --> 00:46:03,990 his wishes for his people properly. 514 00:46:05,170 --> 00:46:11,930 If we don't forgive them, then that feeling of bitterness and 515 00:46:11,930 --> 00:46:13,050 revenge will be there. 516 00:46:14,030 --> 00:46:20,550 And we are saying, let's concern ourselves with the present and the 517 00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:21,550 to say... 518 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:26,480 The atrocities of the past will never be allowed to happen again. 519 00:46:29,140 --> 00:46:34,760 As long as our people were oppressed, it was my duty to be involved. 520 00:46:36,020 --> 00:46:39,340 If I had to live again, I would do the very same thing. 45352

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