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Nelson Mandela has been in the Folks
Hospital for two weeks, recovering from
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prostate operation, confined to a
heavily guarded ward.
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His illness has caused grave concern,
not only to us as a family,
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but to the entire world.
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I remember that very clearly. Suddenly I
realised Mandela was no longer sitting
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in jail. He was in hospital where I had
my consults at.
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1985.
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Our country become ungovernable.
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Bloodshed on the streets all over.
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And that's the time Mandela ended up in
hospital with a prostate length.
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The government was worried if this
cancer spread and Mandela died in
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there won't be an uprising in South
Africa.
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There will be a war.
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So the Minister of Justice, Kubi Kutsi,
visited Mandela.
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Mandela was completely astonished.
Minister of Justice of the Apartheid
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walks into his ward and, you know,
greets him and wants to have a chat.
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But Mandela, being able to control his
emotions and not have immediate
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reactions, then welcomes Cuivre Cotillo,
though he's a long -lost friend.
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You are now really moving towards the
goalposts of the story.
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How many leaders have that?
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Magnetic. The Africans, they want
political independence.
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Only Mandela.
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We are fighting for a South Africa which
can only be led by him.
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All over the world couldn't rest. We had
to get him out.
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They've got no education.
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They've only just come down from the
trees.
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The alternative is murder.
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I will have nothing to do with any
organization that practices violence.
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You know that this can never, has never,
and will never be right.
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It was a global struggle
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against blatant racism and oppression.
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Social movement can change the world.
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And music can have that political power.
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We are here to celebrate Nasser and his
brother.
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You must free him, and in freeing him,
you free the people of South Africa.
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What turned me on to South Africa was
the song Biko
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by Peter Gabriel.
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It was so good that I decided to look
into it.
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It just went right to my soul.
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I need to know exactly what's going on,
you know?
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And so I went down there and was really
shocked.
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They were teaching as a part of their
religion that black people were not
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that they were animals.
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They've got no education and it'll take
them a couple of hundred years.
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They've only just come down from the
trees.
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And then you have 23 million can't vote
because they're black.
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This is deep, man. This is deeper than
the kind of racism I was used to.
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And I'm down there, and part of the
journey was to go to Sun City and have
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fun along the way, you know.
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Sun City.
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It's a lavish resort where you can relax
and enjoy some of the world's headline
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entertainers. It's the showplace of
Opotetswana, one of the so -called
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independent homelands.
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The South African government had tried
to create an artificial sort of Las
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that they called Sun City.
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and they were trying to get celebrities
to come perform in Sun City.
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It's an enclave. It's not South Africa.
It's independent territory. Come on.
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So you weren't supporting this terrible
regime in South Africa by playing Sun
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City because it was a different country.
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And so I realized, wow, that's the
hustle. Now I got it.
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I'm going to use that.
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Let's get together and fight for what's
right.
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When Mandela started talking to
government officials, then I realized
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busy changing now.
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First time we take him to the minister's
house, Mandela made a statement to the
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minister and said, Sir, while I'm a
prisoner, I can't negotiate with
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I can only negotiate with government
when I'm a free man.
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Then the minister said immediately to
him, Mr. Mandela, please sit down and
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relax. This is not negotiation.
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We just have some talk.
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That's when Mandela started talking to
government.
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Mandela had to negotiate with his
immediate colleague in prison, and then
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to negotiate with the ANC in exile.
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He needed the tacit support of his
colleagues.
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The essence of reaching a political
solution means you sit down with
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your enemy, you press your demand, he
presses his, and then you
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have to meet.
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Each other.
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If you're not prepared for that, don't
enter into negotiations.
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He was a very pragmatic person because
you can't get your demands met
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if you are hostile.
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His whole thing was about winning.
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Whereas with Oliver Tambo, he was this
forward -looking
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strategist.
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There were three groupings, basically.
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External leadership, led by Oliver
Tumble, the mass democratic movement in
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Africa, and then the Robben Island
prisoners.
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The important theme was to coordinate
all three.
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So we had a constitutional committee of
the ANC set up by Oliver Tumble.
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We were working on preparing for a new
constitution for South Africa.
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So when the moment of negotiations came,
we'd be ready.
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You know, I think that Oliver Tumble
worked very hard
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for it. To engage everybody in the world
and let them fight
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this because it's not something we can
win alone.
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When you have a righteous cause, I mean,
you know, you become dangerous.
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The end game was going to be the anti
-apartheid economic legislation.
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But we knew Reagan was going to veto.
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The post -apartheid South Africa is to
remain the economic locomotive of
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Southern Africa.
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Its strong and developed economy must
not be crippled.
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So, passing legislation, how do we get
there?
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Well, just by raising awareness.
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We don't want to hear any music.
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I wrote the whole Sun City story.
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very, very directly.
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We wanted to make very clear
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that that was a lie and therefore I
ain't gonna play Sun City, you know?
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You know, the thing that people
criticize about social movements is
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when it's too vague.
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What was so great about that song is its
specificity.
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It had one thing in mind.
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I just love that.
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Because people didn't even know what Sun
City was.
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This is apolitical. It doesn't matter
what side you're on. It's common sense.
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The song and the video had to reflect
what I consider to be an embarrassment.
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Music was so important.
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It made people who weren't paying
attention pay attention.
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We've got to be better storytellers than
the other side. Great pop songs are
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propaganda.
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We shut down the resort overnight. I
mean, they got completely shut down.
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It was amazing how effective it was,
actually.
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It became a mainstream issue. The United
States should not be supporting
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apartheid. Chase Manhattan Bank, for
example, said we're not going to roll
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any more loans to South Africa. That was
a death knell.
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The government knew that change was in
the wind, and they couldn't stop it.
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President Reagan has fought long and
hard to prevent Congress from imposing
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economic sanctions against South Africa.
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Today he longed. The Senate joined the
House in overriding Mr. Reagan's veto.
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That was a huge victory, man. And that
was only a matter of time before the
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dominoes would fall.
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It's a bad, miserable attitude from the
father of the United States to apply
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sanctions against a developing country,
one of the best developing countries in
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Africa. When we were cut off from
international financing, and I was
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Finance then, in the thinking in the
National Party, if they start taking
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our armaments, then we'll make it
ourselves.
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When our oil was being boycotted, we
made our own oil.
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But one thing we could not make, and
that was dollars.
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We couldn't print our own dollars.
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Stock prices in South Africa began to
drop sharply, and the value of the South
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African currency, the rand, took a
nosedive. By the middle of last week,
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government's racial crisis had become a
financial crisis as well.
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We had to suffer that humiliation.
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So that was adding more dimension to an
already very difficult
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situation.
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The level of protest, resistance and
violence, South Africa was like a
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cooker. The latest victim of the
necklace died this weekend after the
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unrest victims were found in unmarked
coffins. The undertaker's home was burnt
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down, a petrol -soaked tire was put
around her neck and set alight. Death by
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necklace, reserved for so -called
collaborators.
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In a series of speeches in black
townships around Johannesburg, including
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Soweto, she again ignored an order which
banned her from speaking in public.
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When Winnie Mandela came back to Soweto
from the period of banishment, she was
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the face of resistance to apartheid.
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I am back with you where I belong.
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This is now the right time to take your
country.
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Dealing with her was a major headache
for the ANC, and for Mandela in
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particular, because she did her own
thing. She was not always a loyal and
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obedient comrade of the ANC. She was
very radical in her resistance.
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With our necklaces, we shall liberate
this country.
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We do not approve of the necklaces.
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It gives satisfaction to some people. It
doesn't to the ANC.
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Yes, Winnie had become more militant
than my grandfather, justifiably so.
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My grandfather was insulated by prison.
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We were facing bullets. We were facing
children that were being slaughtered. So
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he was at the blood, at the eye of the
storm.
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My grandfather wasn't.
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Being a revolutionary was...
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It was putting yourself totally on the
line for a beautiful world.
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Free Nelson Mandela was much more than
just free Nelson Mandela from
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Robben Island.
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It was free everybody in the world, free
all the oppressed people.
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It's the 7th of April, public holiday in
Mozambique.
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and I'm going to spend the morning on
the beach, meetings in the afternoon,
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I go down to my car.
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I
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don't
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know what's happening. Something
terrible is happening. I'm in total,
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total darkness.
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Conscious not coming back.
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And I'm in...
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Total darkness disappearing, reappearing
in consciousness.
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I hear a voice saying, Albie, your arm
is in lamentable condition.
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You must face the future with courage.
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That moment you're waiting for as a
freedom fighter, they come for me. Will
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brave? But I get through.
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Will it be tonight? Will it be tomorrow?
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They come for me. They try to kill me.
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And I survived.
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I'm being flown to London because South
African security used to follow people
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into hospital and give them poison whom
they hadn't managed to kill.
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The attack on me, it was like almost...
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last attempts of the ultra -ferocious
elements in the security to
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show their power, seeing that
negotiations might emerge.
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As I'm wheeled out, I see a soldier with
a gun, and I say, no more guns.
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No more guns.
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We've got to find other ways.
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I was totally surprised in some way that
government at least reached out to
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Mandela, talked to him, and had
discussions with him. That is what
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fights for before he gets to prison in
the 60s.
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But nobody wanted to sit down. Only him
was talking at that stage of the half of
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the ANC.
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There were suspicions that Mandela had
been kind of co -opted and was not
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deliberately setting up the movement.
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But he'd lost touch with the realities
of today.
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I don't believe he would be in a
position to discuss any kind of truth.
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How on earth can men who have been out
of the picture for 25 years be expected
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to discuss the political situation of
our country behind bars?
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He has no mandate to discuss.
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Oliver Tambor was the person that Medela
had to keep on board at all costs.
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And there was a real relationship of
trust between them. But Tambor was
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beginning... to get very concerned and
wrote Mandela a letter in which he made
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it very clear that Mandela was not to
cross the line.
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There were rocky moments as to whether
Mandela's strategy was going to work.
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In the late 80s, the anti -partic
movement had local groups all over the
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and thousands and thousands of members.
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But the intransigence of the British
government and the US was huge.
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There were a number
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of different things that happened, like
people calling on local authorities to
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name buildings after Nelson Mandela.
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The headquarters of the Antipasad
movement moved to Silu Street in Camden,
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Camden Council changed the name of that
street to Mandela Street.
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Wasn't that wonderful?
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But, you know, the British Antipasad
movement, we were quite ambitious. We
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wanted a big event around Mandela's 70th
birthday.
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In 1985, I worked with and put on Miriam
McCaber.
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at the Royal Festival Hall.
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Now, I'd like to get the best -known
singer ever to come out of South Africa.
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She's also an uncompromising and public
opponent of the regime there. Please
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welcome Miriam Makeba.
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She challenged me on that occasion quite
explicitly to do something against the
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apartheid regime in South Africa.
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Mrs. Patu has a view that the sanctions
will not work against South Africa. I
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wish she felt that way about Libya.
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and all these other countries, but when
it comes to South Africa, then sanctions
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won't work.
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The songs, the concerts, they were all
individual activities that weren't
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reaching very, very large audiences all
at once.
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And what our objective was, was to get
the world's broadcasts.
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But it was tricky. Under their licence
conditions, they weren't allowed to
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support a political cause.
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They could report on them, but they
couldn't support them. However justified
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may feel your cause is, however unjust
apartheid is, you still run an
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organisation that is at least in part a
terrorist organisation that kills
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innocent people, is that not so? No, I
reject that most vehemently. And so I
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thought of the idea of creating
something called the Nelson Mandela 70th
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Birthday Tribute and making it a musical
tribute to the man.
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Because music, under the licence
conditions of broadcasters, is not
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When the Wembley concert happened, we
approached a really big stadium act, in
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particular Simple Minds. This is Simple
Minds.
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Clapham Common Concert was already a big
deal, but everyone, after seeing what
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Geldof had done with Live Aid, they
thought, we need it on a larger scale.
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As the BBC announced that they were a
broadcaster of this, the Conservative
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Party tried to take them to court for
breaking their licence conditions. They
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weren't allowed to take a political
line.
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I remember hearing that it was going to
be called the Nelson Mandela's 70th
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birthday concert and thinking, that's
really clever.
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Certainly their mandate wasn't to be
broadcasting political concerts.
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But you have to sometimes find out how
you get through the water without
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wet. If you're a fan of rock music, pop
music at all, the idea behind it is that
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the day after the concert, you go out
and check it out for yourself.
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There were elements in the Young
Conservatives who were virulently
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some of them even had badges and T
-shirts with Hang Mandela.
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Yesterday, the South Africans criticised
the BBC's plans to televise a concert
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this Saturday, which marks the 70th
birthday of Nelson Mandela, the
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leader of the ANC.
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At Westminster, 24 Conservative MPs have
added their voice. They've put down a
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motion expressing their distaste at the
plan.
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There are people wanting reform in South
Africa, but they want peaceful reform.
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What simple minds are looking for is
violent reform.
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The BBC were tugging on something that
they knew was a political hot potato.
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But they had the courage to do that.
There is going to be a rock concert in
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London's Wembley Stadium tomorrow that's
billed as bigger than Live Aid.
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You know, you have this moment of
interpretation.
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How is this thing going to work? Will it
work? This is not going to be like any
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other concert.
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I remember the song
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that we wrote for the event.
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It's called Mandela Day.
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Our keyboard player at the time, Mick
McNeil, he was setting up a drum
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And the first thing he put up, it
sounded like a heartbeat.
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And we thought, oh, that's great. A
heartbeat. He's a human.
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But when you think of Mandela, I mean,
he was almost a myth.
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The last ending.
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the anti -apartheid movement was using,
he was still a young man.
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So
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this
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idea of this myth, yeah, he is a myth,
but he's not a myth.
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He's a human being.
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When it was set free Nelson Mandela, it
was basically set free all the political
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prisoners.
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We all appreciated that there is this
concerted effort for us to be free.
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That not only spoke to us being freed as
prisoners, but it spoke to us being
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freed as a country.
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They were being drawn into this by just
the sheer weight, if you like, of the
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talent that they were going to watch.
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But what they then got... Hello,
England! Hello, world!
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..was something very different.
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They got informed by way of the
presenter telling them who Mandela was
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apartheid was. They got that emotional
experience.
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I'm recovering in the hospital in
London, so I watched it on TV.
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And I heard that song.
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Ring, Nelson Mandela.
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This is the best possible medicine I
could have had.
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The concert at Wembley made you feel
that you were part of a huge
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change.
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Yeah,
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I felt really proud, actually, of what
we'd done as a movement.
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And I thought, fuck the Tories.
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We've done this.
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I
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informed
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Mandela about a concert which was in the
UK.
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Performing for him for his 70th
birthday.
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We just sort of said, we just thought to
say happy birthday.
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Nothing else.
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We just thought to say we
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love you.
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And we made it.
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He was very happy and he was really
enjoying it.
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You know, Mandela loves music. He really
loves music.
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This broadcast event reached 600 million
people.
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600 million people when there are only 5
billion in the world.
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Probably 100 countries' broadcasters
across the world broadcasting a tribute
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Nelson Mandela when he's in prison
still.
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It's sort of... The apartheid government
had lost.
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We were aware of it.
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It was necessary for all members of the
State Security Council and all members
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of Parliament, in fact, to take note of
that and to help think, how do we
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respond?
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After that concert, everybody wanted to
be Mandela's friend.
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There was a gift from Margaret Thatcher,
you know, because they want votes and
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they could see how popular the campaign
was.
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Our cause...
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was now supported by the entire world.
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The part of South Africa was completely
isolated.
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Nelson Mandela was admitted to Cape
Town's Tigerburg Hospital yesterday.
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Since then, he's had tests on his left
lung.
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His wife, Winnie, who returned to visit
him today, was shocked by his condition
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then. though doctors have said he has
since improved.
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There was concern within government that
the clock is ticking, Mandela is 70
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years old, he's had health issues.
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Within hours of Nelson Mandela's secret
transfer to this comfortable Cape Town
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clinic, he was visited in his ยฃ40 -a
-day private room by the Minister of
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Justice, one of several ministers
favouring his release.
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So it all became a little precarious.
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He could go at any time and there would
be no replacement.
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If we're going to get the understanding
and settlement done, we'd better do it
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pretty soon.
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If he had died in prison, you know, that
would have been a terrible thing.
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Mr Mandela was suddenly moved from a
Cape Town clinic to the grounds of a
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prison. He occupies a house said by the
South African government to be
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comfortable and secure, but he remains a
prisoner behind barbed wire.
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When I reached Victor V, I was very
sorry because I was leaving my
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behind.
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But after a few weeks, I loved it.
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You know, that period, I was visiting
there at least three to four days a
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I was there quite a lot of times. We
would take Walter Susulu on one basis to
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meet Mandela for the day.
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Then later we'd take the whole Rivonia
trial group there to meet him for the
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day.
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Suddenly, Mandela had control.
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He saw a tremendous trail of people,
mainly obviously anti -apartheid people,
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trade unionists, politicians.
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He was then able to basically see
anybody he wanted.
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So at the height of the movement to free
Mandela, both domestically and
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internationally, at this point, a bomb
literally explodes.
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According to police, the decomposed body
of Stompy McKenzie was found on an open
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space of land in Soweto after an
anonymous telephone call.
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We hear that something has gone badly
wrong with Winnie Mandela.
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So when she came back to Soweto, she
formed this thing called the Mandela
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Football Club, which was basically a
bunch of former convicts and various
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sort of cobbled together.
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And the football club were, if you like,
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Her bodyguards, basically.
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The story is that a young activist,
Stomping McKenzie, has died as a result
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being assaulted by the football club,
and Winnie Mandela was present.
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For the first time, graffiti on the
streets of Johannesburg attacking Winnie
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Mandela. A public fall from grace,
providing perfect propaganda for her
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Things really got out of hand by that
time.
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I called and I told him I was just in
the news.
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He was silent.
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That it could even be dreamt that I
would be responsible for the murder
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of a child when I have spent all my life
fighting against
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these injustices appalls me.
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Clearly things had gone very badly wrong
with the football club.
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Mrs. Mandela arrived in Cape Town this
morning and left immediately for the
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Victor Bastet prison where her husband
Nelson is being held.
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That was a crucial moment.
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That was the moment in which the whole
thing could have exploded completely.
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Willie was under intense investigation
and it would take a couple of years to
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get to the bottom of the whole story.
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Mrs. Mandela has refused to discuss her
conversation with her husband, but he's
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known to have been deeply concerned by
the so -called football club, which has
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done little to honour his name.
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It was the worst time of her life at her
lowest.
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And of course, even poor Nurse Mandela
tried but could not do much.
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A part eight ultimately came out in its
worst form.
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The worst side of Winnie Mandela.
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Oh, it was the saddest thing of his life
because he loved his wife.
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He loved Winnie.
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And in the end, that marriage broke
down.
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The Iron Curtain.
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It's being torn down, the Berlin Wall,
brick by brick, pushed over.
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The world was more malleable than people
had told you.
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This could never happen, but it was
happening.
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And it just felt like a moment where
everything's possible.
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The global west was now calling for the
end of apartheid to come ASAP, and there
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was no more time left.
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The President of South Africa, P .W.
Borta, has resigned as leader of the
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National Party. Mr. Borta, who's 73,
suffered a stroke two weeks ago. The
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Education Minister, F .W. de Klerk, will
take over as party leader.
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We are in contact with the ANC at the
moment with regard to the possibility of
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meeting. It has become politically
imperative to release him and to have
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participate.
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F .W. de Klerk had only one significant
meeting with Mandela, and Mandela did
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not want to be released on Pretoria
terms.
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He wanted to be released on his terms.
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He wanted to be released when his
colleagues were all out of prison and
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to prepare the ground for his release.
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It never dawned on me that he would be
one day released.
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He invited all of us. We had lunch at
the town.
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And he told us, we will be released.
They were like music to my ears.
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I wish to put it plain that the
government has taken a firm decision to
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Mr. Mandela unconditionally.
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You know, without our identity, we sit
with this.
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And for him, his identity, no one was
ever going to take his identity.
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Not apartheid, not imprisonment, not
anything.
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I have fought against white domination
and I have fought
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against black domination.
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I have cherished the ideal of a
democratic and free society
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in which all persons lived together in
harmony.
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It is an idea for which I hope to live
for.
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But my love, if it needs being, it is an
idea for which I am prepared
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to die.
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This is Victor versus the prison outside
Cape Town on the 11th of February 1990.
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In a few moments, Nelson Mandela is due
to walk away from here after 27 years of
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incarceration in South African jail.
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There's Mr. Mandela, Mr. Nelson Mandela,
a free man taking his first steps
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into a new South Africa.
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they finally walked out and it it was it
was really real
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tens
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perhaps hundreds of thousands of south
africans gathered in the center of cape
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town to welcome the leader whose
prestige has never been higher
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I must confess I'm unable to describe my
emotions.
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I was completely overwhelmed by the
enthusiasm.
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I have lost a great deal over these 27
years.
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Despite the hard times that we've had in
prison, there have been men, you know,
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who are very good in the sense that they
understand our point of view.
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and they do everything to try and make
you as happy as possible.
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And that has wiped out any bitterness
which a man could have.
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When I think of myself during that time,
I was so happy to see him happy.
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I was so happy to be part of the parcel,
to see him as a free man.
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I was part of the advance.
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that organized these first tours out
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of this world.
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After all the years of exile and all the
suffering and everything,
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it was such a validation.
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People just... But it was because of
Oliver Campbell's anti
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-apartheid. movement that he organized.
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He is the architect of all of that.
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When I was released, I made it a point
that I was going to visit him because he
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is the one man who has been able to keep
the organization together for the last
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three decades.
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Ten months after the Nelson Mandela's
70th birthday tribute, Mandela sends his
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lawyer, Ishmael Ale,
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to be me in London to say, would I do a
second global broadcast event?
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They wished to give him a global
platform as soon after he's released as
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possible.
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And within 54 days of his release, we
had the second global broadcast event.
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54 days later, he was with us.
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that you chose to care.
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When you worked with him closely, there
was always a
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kind of deep sadness.
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It was the pain of... He carried the
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pain of oppression.
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Very personally.
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There was always, for me, the picture of
this man who
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had given his life to the people of
South Africa.
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You take my life away.
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The faster I will run.
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You can deny me. You can decide to turn
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your face away.
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No matter.
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When he was released, I thought, you
know, I'm going to have him to myself.
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going to have coffee, we go to movies.
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That was shattered because he suddenly
became the grandfather of the entire
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world, let alone South Africa.
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When the choice was made to him, who he
would choose between country and family,
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It shows country every time.
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I was resentful.
491
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:22,360
One feels we cannot really express what
we feel for one another, you know,
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because part of ourselves remains behind
bars.
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... ... ... ...
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For me, it was almost like the very deep
prayer
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that had brought through the ages to say
this is where we come from.
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And the road and the path that we have
travelled has always been thorny, but we
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have to keep on soldiering on. That's
what Nkosi Sigelela was.
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00:44:40,220 --> 00:44:46,080
We did bring down apartheid. We did
achieve our basic aims to destroy that
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system of complete denial of self
-determination to African people. We
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have a huge way to go and lots of things
are absolutely intolerable.
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00:44:55,340 --> 00:45:01,960
But that main project of the Mandela
-Tambor generation has been achieved,
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giving people rights and the rights to
bring about changes so that everybody
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truly feels South Africa belongs to all
who live in it.
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The time for the healing of the wounds
has come.
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The moment to preach the cause that
divides us has come.
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The time to give.
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00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:31,200
It made me feel guilty to get to know
this extraordinary man.
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I said to him one day, I'm a
representative of the people who kept
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incarcerated and yet you treated me with
the utmost courtesy and respect.
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And I want to tell you that I believe
you are a God -gifted person to be so
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tolerant.
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00:45:53,870 --> 00:46:00,090
We feel embarrassed that that should
have been done to him. We didn't
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his wishes for his people properly.
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If we don't forgive them, then that
feeling of bitterness and
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revenge will be there.
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And we are saying, let's concern
ourselves with the present and the
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to say...
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The atrocities of the past will never be
allowed to happen again.
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00:46:29,140 --> 00:46:34,760
As long as our people were oppressed, it
was my duty to be involved.
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If I had to live again, I would do the
very same thing.
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