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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,039 CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:06,519 - - President Obama has arrived in the UK 3 00:00:06,520 --> 00:00:09,199 for a three-day visit, during which he'll make the case 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,519 for the UK staying in the European Union. 5 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,599 Leave campaigners have said he should butt out of the debate. 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,519 We were in a very tough fight, 7 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,279 erm, and a tough fight in which 8 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,520 we felt the economy was the most important issue. 9 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,559 Obama was very keen Britain should stay in the EU. 10 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,359 He thought it made us stronger, safer and better off, 11 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:31,799 to coin a phrase. 12 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,159 He said, you know, "Well, what can I do to help?" 13 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:37,039 {\an8}He'd noticed that a lot of the arguments for Brexit 14 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,639 {\an8}were just crazy. I mean, false. I mean, they were lies. 15 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,919 {\an8}I said, "Well, one argument they're making is that there's going to be 16 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,759 {\an8}"this easy trade deal with the United States if we tear up our 17 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,039 "trade deals with Europe", and he says, "That's obviously nonsense." 18 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,759 Obama said, you know, "You guys would be at the back of the queue", 19 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,279 kind of as a joke, in a way, 20 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,679 and everybody kind of chuckled. 21 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,279 He said, "Do you think it would be helpful if I said that?" 22 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,439 And I said, "Yeah, I think it will be helpful 23 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,759 "because it's going to puncture this Brexit myth." 24 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,760 CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK 25 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:14,039 Some of the folks on the other side have been ascribing 26 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:18,039 to the United States certain actions we'll take if 27 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,359 the UK does leave the EU. 28 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,919 {\an8}And we were all in the campaign gathered around the television set, 29 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,119 {\an8}dozens of us, all, you know, 30 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,239 in silent anticipation. 31 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,679 I figured you might want to hear it from the President 32 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,719 of the United States what I think the United States is going to do, 33 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,799 and UK is going to be in the back of the queue. 34 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,679 A huge cheer went up when Obama said this 35 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,039 and we thought, "Wow, we've done it! He's clinched it. 36 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,639 "He's made the argument in one fell swoop." 37 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:54,039 {\an8}I was in the back of a black cab and I was following on Twitter 38 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,400 what was the reaction to Obama's comments. 39 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:03,279 And then the cab driver pulled his window back 40 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,919 and he was listening to the same story on the radio. 41 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,119 "Are you hearing this, guv'nor? Back of the queue? 42 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,839 "That's not very friendly, is it? I bet you won't be at the back of 43 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,599 "the queue when they need another ally for the next bloody war!" 44 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,319 British people hate being told what to do by 45 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,680 people who don't have any skin in the game. 46 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,159 It was a reminder of how the Westminster bubble 47 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:24,840 was just talking to itself. 48 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,239 - - Ten years ago. God, amazing. 49 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,920 It both seems unimaginably distant and like yesterday. 50 00:02:36,920 --> 00:02:38,919 The vote to leave the European Union 51 00:02:38,920 --> 00:02:41,280 changed the course of British history. 52 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:46,039 Ten years on, this is the story of how it happened, 53 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,399 told by those inside the campaigns. 54 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,799 Loved that bus. I loved that bus. It was the bus of truth, by the way. 55 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,679 We had sort of entered the post-truth age 56 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,399 of political campaigns. 57 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,639 Johnson, you're a liar! 58 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:03,039 From about two weeks before 59 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,959 I said, "I think this thing is going to go down." 60 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,679 Let's make June the 23rd, 2016, 61 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,480 Independence Day. Let's do it. 62 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,119 With just four months to go until the referendum, 63 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,839 the British media had one obsession. 64 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:38,840 Would Boris Johnson campaign to stay in or leave the EU? 65 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,679 I was at our house in Colebrooke Row 66 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,519 and, as the day went by, 67 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,959 more and more press 68 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,040 were gathering outside. 69 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,519 So what starts as a sort of low hum 70 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,559 becomes much, much louder. 71 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,039 Good afternoon. 72 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,759 I arrive back at our house in Islington 73 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,679 to find the whole place absolutely swarming, erm, 74 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,599 with representatives of... 75 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,960 You know, TV journalists... Everybody's there. 76 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:18,319 I remember it being incredibly stressful 77 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:23,439 just not being able to control this press presence. 78 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,679 - Boris! - Boris, just over the shoulder! 79 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,839 I felt under huge pressure - 80 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:31,039 emotional, psychological pressure - 81 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,959 to come up with a decision. 82 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,039 {\an8}He walked over to me, he stared me in the face, and he said, 83 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,759 {\an8}"What do you think I should do?", and I looked at him and I said, 84 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,519 "What do I think YOU should do?!" 85 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,759 I said, "You've got to be effing joking." 86 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,759 I said, you know, "I'm just the guy that smokes fags outside 87 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,399 "and does your briefing, right? 88 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,079 "The decision is yours to make and no-one else's." 89 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,079 And there was a bit of harrumphing 90 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,119 and he looked at me and he just went, 91 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,079 "You're right. Let's do it." 92 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,759 In order to psych myself up for the ordeal of talking to the media, 93 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,759 erm, which I don't want to do 94 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:11,040 but they're all outside the house and they won't go away, erm... 95 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:16,039 ...I do some press ups in the hope of getting some, you know, 96 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,799 endorphins or something so that I can kind of, you know... 97 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,999 We were heading to the door and I said, "Hang on, 98 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,519 "have you let Dave know the decision?", and he was like, 99 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,039 "Oh, Christ, Cameron! Let me text him, let me text him." 100 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,039 Text Dave a slightly emollient text, 101 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,359 you know, trying to sort of cheer him up, 102 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,839 saying, you know, "I'm sure we'll lose anyway, but there you go. 103 00:05:34,840 --> 00:05:37,200 "This is what I have to do." 104 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,039 It was such a Boris phrase, saying, 105 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,879 {\an8}"I know that Brexit will be crushed like the toad under the harrow 106 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,439 "but I feel I have to support it." 107 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,039 Hi, there. Hi, there. 108 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,039 The last thing I wanted was to go against 109 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,039 David Cameron or the Government, 110 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,039 but after a great deal of heartache 111 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,439 I don't think there's anything else I can do. 112 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:06,279 I will be advocating Vote Leave, or whatever the team is called. 113 00:06:06,280 --> 00:06:09,079 I thought it was a brave thing to do 114 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,639 and rather idealistic in a way. 115 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,039 None of us knew what was going to happen 116 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,279 and it was a leap in the dark. 117 00:06:17,280 --> 00:06:19,879 Anyone would think he likes the attention. 118 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,359 Love him or loathe him, you can't ignore him. 119 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,519 Boris Johnson has just taken a huge political jump 120 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,639 that could change this campaign. 121 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,039 Look, it was a big blow. Erm... 122 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,839 He had the... You know, a high favourability rating. 123 00:06:32,840 --> 00:06:34,759 He was listened to on this issue. 124 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,120 It was going to make a massive difference in the campaign. 125 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,439 The next day, Cameron prepared to launch 126 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,959 the referendum campaign in Parliament, 127 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:49,520 knowing his most dangerous opponent was now on his own backbenches. 128 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,359 I don't think at that point he really believed in it. 129 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,439 He believed it was going to lose 130 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:00,519 but he thought he was on a sort of bet to nothing 131 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:04,519 by supporting Leave because he would be, 132 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,319 you know, a sort of patriotic hero. 133 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:11,079 I remember thinking it was nothing to do with 134 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,919 {\an8}the EU, Britain's place in the world, 135 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:15,519 {\an8}the single market. 136 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,439 {\an8}It was Game of Thrones, that's what Boris Johnson was playing, 137 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,719 and he could see the Iron Throne right there about to be vacated. 138 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,359 Order! Statement! 139 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,119 The Prime Minister. 140 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,599 Thank you, Mr Speaker. 141 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,039 We are a great country and whatever choice we make, 142 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:32,919 we will still be great, 143 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:37,039 but I believe the choice is between being an even greater Britain 144 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:41,199 inside a reformed EU or a great leap into the unknown. 145 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,759 So, in the statement, there were some very, very clear barbs there 146 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,519 which were designed to put the idea about that Boris Johnson, 147 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,439 maybe he's just positioning himself 148 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,479 so that he can get the keys to Number 10 when it's all done. 149 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,039 Mr Speaker, let me end by saying this. 150 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,519 I am not standing for re-election. 151 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,039 I have no other agenda... 152 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,839 I have no other agenda than what is best for our country. 153 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:12,039 It was clear that the attack on our campaign was going to be personal 154 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,359 and that the way they were going to try to defeat the arguments 155 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,520 for Leave was by playing the man, not the ball. 156 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,759 It wasn't just the Conservatives who were divided. 157 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,439 Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn was preparing 158 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,760 to give his first speech of the campaign. 159 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,759 Jeremy wanted to use that speech 160 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,760 to set out his own personal, erm... 161 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,839 ...development on the issue of the EU, 162 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,119 because he was constantly being attacked 163 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,120 for being a closet Eurosceptic. 164 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,039 I was under a lot of questions all the time about it 165 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,759 and so I thought it's important that we actually stop this question 166 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,199 of sort of corridor conversations the whole time with everybody. 167 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,759 We sent the draft to him that was very clear. 168 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:07,040 "That's why I want Britain to remain in the European Union." 169 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,439 And it would come back amended. 170 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,919 "So that's why Labour wants Britain to remain in the European Union." 171 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,959 We've changed it around quite a bit, actually. 172 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,039 Well, they're very keen on "I". 173 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:21,679 I'm not. 174 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:23,679 There's no "I" in Corbyn. 175 00:09:23,680 --> 00:09:25,119 "We." 176 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,039 I was trying to present "we" as the campaign, 177 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,839 "we" as the party, "we" as the movement. 178 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,760 APPLAUSE 179 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,599 It's now a crucial democratic opportunity 180 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,279 for people to have their say on our country's future 181 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,039 and the future of our continent as a whole. 182 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:51,359 As Alan explained, the Labour Party is overwhelmingly for staying in. 183 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,439 I thought, well, at the end of the day, 184 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,999 this guy is never going to give his wholehearted support here. 185 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:03,039 A lot of people saw the referendum as a cipher 186 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:08,239 for their own anger at their life in our society. 187 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,759 Going around and telling them to vote for the EU, 188 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,919 which is trying to bring in more free market economics, 189 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,840 isn't going to work and isn't going to cut it. 190 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,759 With two months to go, Cameron sent out his troops 191 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,040 to launch the Government's campaign. 192 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,479 {\an8}So the four of us walked out into this big manufacturing hall 193 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,679 with podiums lined up one after the other. 194 00:10:40,680 --> 00:10:43,039 The riflemen at the front of the battle. 195 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:47,719 It was a big moment for us because it was us launching the number 196 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,519 {\an8}that we could then put on billboards and put in the adverts 197 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,279 {\an8}and put in the leaflets that would go around the country. 198 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,839 The Treasury has run the numbers. 199 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,279 - Liz Truss wasn't Liz Truss then. - SHE CHUCKLES 200 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,359 She was one of the team on Remain. 201 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,679 If productivity falls, 202 00:11:03,680 --> 00:11:07,759 we will see lower wages in Britain, 203 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,039 consumption will fall 204 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:14,879 and people will be permanently poorer. 205 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,839 It was very clear in the EU referendum 206 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,759 that people, emotionally, were quite attached 207 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,839 to the idea of independence and standing up for Britain 208 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,039 and being against Europe. 209 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,759 But the thing that concerned them, those people, 210 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,879 was the economic cost, the risk. 211 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,919 The central estimate is that, in the long run, 212 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,519 GDP would be over 6% smaller 213 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:42,679 and Britain would be worse off by £4,300 per household. 214 00:11:42,680 --> 00:11:44,719 It was all over the focus groups 215 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,999 and it went down like a bucket of cold sick. 216 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:53,959 "Why isn't it 4,250 or 4,150?" They said, "How could you possibly know?" 217 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,119 Which, by the way, is a good question. 218 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,839 This equation that's in the 200-page Treasury document, 219 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,759 which comes to the conclusion that if Britain votes to leave 220 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,079 the European Union, it will cost each and every household £4,300. 221 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,679 You can't sit down with them and say, "Let us explain 222 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:11,039 "our economic modelling to you. Do you have Excel on your computer?" 223 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,799 I mean, you know, you can't do that. 224 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,759 Try and say that out loud because I'm not sure I could do that. 225 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,039 - It's...? - Oh, my God. - Get your glasses on. - Really? - Yes! 226 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,679 I, N, brackets, I, F, D, I, close brackets, 227 00:12:23,680 --> 00:12:27,279 equals A to the power of I, J, plus A, one, I, N, 228 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,759 brackets, Y, I, T, close brackets, plus... 229 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,839 I went back to the team and I said, "It's very simple, guys. 230 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:37,639 "We are never using the words £4,300 ever again." 231 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:41,279 The Treasury got a real bashing and I got a real bashing, 232 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,919 but this is how we'd won the last general election, 233 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,039 this is how Tony Blair and Margaret Thatcher 234 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,159 had won elections in the decades before us. 235 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:52,039 If we vote to leave on the 23rd of June, 236 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,640 we will be voting for higher prices. 237 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,040 Vote Leave had produced their own figure. 238 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:12,279 {\an8}The point of using that, really, was to try and... 239 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,039 {\an8}To try and drive the Remain campaign 240 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:16,999 and the people running it crazy. 241 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,519 {\an8}Probably one of the happiest moments of the campaign 242 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:23,519 {\an8}was when it as all agreed and just knowing how certain people 243 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:27,280 were going to react when we used the £350 million figure. 244 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,279 Essentially, you have a powerful government 245 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:35,039 that just won the election and had a very powerful ability 246 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,639 to control how the media reported the campaign. 247 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:40,360 CHEERING 248 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,799 Vote Leave now had their messenger. 249 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,279 - Can we do it? I think we can. - CHEERING 250 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,039 And to attract non-Tory voters, 251 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,839 Labour's most prominent Brexiteer, Gisela Stuart, 252 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,359 was sent around the country with him. 253 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,040 - Vote leave. - Vote leave. - Vote leave. - Vote leave. 254 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,839 {\an8}I had the first experience of what it's like 255 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,359 {\an8}to campaign with someone like Boris Johnson. 256 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:10,039 - - Boris! Boris! Boris! Boris! Boris! 257 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:14,439 People would be in upstairs windows, opening their windows, 258 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,000 waving at him and shouting at him. 259 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,759 You almost got the sense that Boris's presence 260 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:31,279 gave people permission to be enthusiastic about something, 261 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,679 which they were told by everybody else 262 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,079 they should not be enthusiastic about. 263 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,160 Thank you. Thank you very much. 264 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,919 There you go. A delicious ice cream. 265 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,519 Cameras were there, we were given ice cream. 266 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,919 At that moment, I start to panic because ice cream 267 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:51,679 has a habit of dripping. 268 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,279 A woman in the crowd just stepped out and said, 269 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,439 "Mr Johnson, can I eat your ice cream?" 270 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,119 - Go on, you have the whole thing. - Thank you very much. 271 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,360 There you go. It's a delicious ice cream. 272 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:07,039 So these were the days when people were still so loving and trusting 273 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:11,039 as to take an ice cream from my hands and eat it. 274 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,039 So it was... HE CHUCKLES 275 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:14,760 It was wonderful. 276 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:21,519 {\an8}Boris had sort of chuckled nervously over the fact that £350 million... 277 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,839 {\an8}"We send the EU 350 million a week" 278 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,119 {\an8}was plastered on the side of the bus. 279 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,039 And I think he was like, "How are we going to defend this?" 280 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,319 Let's deal with your arguments. One of them is on the side of this bus. 281 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,119 We send £350 million to Europe. 282 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,999 - We don't and you know we don't know. - We do. - No, we don't. 283 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,439 "Yes, it is", "No, it's not", "Yes, it is", "No, it's not", 284 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,039 like some comedy caper on the bus. 285 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,559 Admit that figure is grotesquely misleading at best. 286 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,319 No, I won't, I won't, I won't. 287 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,039 And Dominic's view when we raised it with him 288 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,279 was simply just let them keep raising the issue. 289 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,479 You're wandering around this country with a dirty, great lie on the side 290 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,279 - of your bus. - No, because that gross figure is the right figure. 291 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:01,039 Because if they say, "It's not £350 million, it's £170 million", 292 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,919 anyone at home is just going to be looking and thinking, 293 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,879 "£170 million a week? That's a fuck of a lot of money." 294 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,919 This bus has a lot of miles to travel in the coming weeks. 295 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,519 There's a lot of debate to be had on both sides. 296 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,119 Tamsin Melville, BBC Spotlight, St Austell. 297 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,719 I remember having a conversation with the BBC, saying, 298 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,039 "Every single interview you do, 299 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,799 {\an8}"every single piece of film that you use has got this in it." 300 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,920 It's full throttle for the Leave campaign. 301 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,039 "You are allowing them to put their campaign message across 302 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,919 "that is not true over and over and over again." 303 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,359 And I remember the person at the BBC just sort of, 304 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,679 like, shrugging their shoulders and saying, 305 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,679 "What do you expect me to do about it?" 306 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:47,040 You can see Boris Johnson attempting to angle grind it into oblivion. 307 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:57,279 Nigel Farage was determined not to let Boris Johnson steal the show. 308 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,279 He was running a separate Leave campaign 309 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:04,720 and took his own bus and message on tour around the country. 310 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,039 {\an8}Boris comes out and says, "Yeah...", 311 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,759 {\an8}you know, "..I'm going to embrace leave." 312 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,840 I said, "Thank goodness for that. He'll help get us over the line." 313 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,039 But never for one moment did I think I could step back. 314 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:22,600 I'd already been on this journey for well over 20 years. 315 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:27,439 So we did it with a bit of noise, we did it with a bit of colour. 316 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,679 THEY SING ALONG TO THE THEME MUSIC OF 'THE GREAT ESCAPE' 317 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,039 Do you like the theme tune, The Great Escape? 318 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,199 Because that's what we've got to do, isn't it? We've got to escape. 319 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,119 Who do you think came up with the idea? Nigel. 320 00:17:39,120 --> 00:17:41,919 He's a pantomime vaudeville act. 321 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,280 Are you voting for Brexit, sir? 322 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,040 50-50? It's going to be really close. 323 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,159 This bus was shit. 324 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,119 To get it repainted was more expensive than the actual bus. 325 00:17:58,120 --> 00:17:59,599 It was falling to bits. 326 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,759 It was a mess inside. No toilets, no seats downstairs, 327 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:07,040 and a driver who should never be allowed to drive ever. 328 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:14,439 We knew that borders, mass migration were huge, huge issues, 329 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,239 and we knew that we had to prosecute that argument 330 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,519 because a softer Vote Leave campaign, 331 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:22,999 particularly with Johnson on board, 332 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,239 were unlikely to make it. 333 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,039 We've given away everything. 334 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,719 We piled into immigration and the engagement was extraordinary. 335 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,279 We've given away our passports. 336 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:37,039 The places we had chosen, these were all Labour heartlands. 337 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,039 We realised that it was in the Labour heartlands, 338 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,519 the working men and women, that felt left behind 339 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,039 and disconnected from the political discourse. 340 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,040 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 341 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:56,519 Boris and I did speak on the phone very regularly through the campaign, 342 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,679 compared notes, talked about who was doing what, 343 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,879 who was visiting where, so we did talk. 344 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,359 I do remember talking once, at least once, 345 00:19:04,360 --> 00:19:06,279 probably at most once to Nigel 346 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,239 about the way the campaign was going and what we could do together. 347 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,279 I said to Boris one Sunday morning, "What about we all merge in, 348 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,199 "I don't know, Andover? Anywhere you like." 349 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,039 "Oh, yes", he said. "It'll be like the Russians and the Americans 350 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,119 "meeting on the Elbe in 1945." 351 00:19:20,120 --> 00:19:23,039 I said, "Well, I hadn't quite thought of it that way, 352 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:24,839 "but, I mean, fine", you know? 353 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,039 And he was very enthused by it. 354 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,999 And then he said to me, "Let me ask my people." 355 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,719 "Sorry? What do you mean?" 356 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:36,519 Dominic Cummings' view was that Nigel Farage had ardent support 357 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,519 {\an8}but there was a ceiling to it 358 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,759 {\an8}and that you would never win a campaign that Nigel Farage led 359 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,239 {\an8}if you needed more than 50% of the public to support it. 360 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,319 There was a sense that there was a possibility that Farage 361 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,119 could somehow taint the campaign 362 00:19:50,120 --> 00:19:52,439 and engagement with him was not a good look. 363 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,599 {\an8}I was really clear, Dom was really clear, 364 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,679 {\an8}everyone in the campaign was clear - 365 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,360 {\an8}absolutely not. 366 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,879 Cummings may not have wanted to join forces with Farage, 367 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:08,719 but he wasn't above stealing his message on immigration. 368 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,759 We are giving £2 billion 369 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,519 to Macedonia, Serbia, Albania, 370 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,519 Montenegro and Turkey 371 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:16,800 to join the EU. 372 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,439 {\an8}I was at my in-laws in Wiltshire 373 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,039 {\an8}and I got a call from Boris 374 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,039 and I went outside to the front gate to take it, 375 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,519 and when I pressed the button, 376 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,479 I went to put it up to my... And it was like that. 377 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,039 I hated it and I was very angry 378 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,519 and I thought this wasn't agreed, this wasn't what we wanted, 379 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,119 and, you know, I hit the roof. 380 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:02,799 "Have you seen the effing poster? 381 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,200 "Have you seen the effing advert from Dominic?" 382 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,399 You know, I've got Turkish ancestors myself. Very proud of it. 383 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:13,679 I thought to start casting it purely in terms of, erm, 384 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,519 being hostile to immigrants... 385 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,519 Which is partly, by the way, sorry, the problem with, 386 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,279 you know, the other chap we've just been talking about, 387 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:25,279 because their campaign was all about being hostile to immigrants 388 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,199 and that wasn't where I was. 389 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:31,039 I put the phone on the gate and stepped back a few feet 390 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,039 and I could still hear him. 391 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:34,879 And I went back to get the phone 392 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,599 and I urged him to calm down. 393 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,119 Everybody who knows anything about the subject 394 00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:43,519 knows there was not a cat's chance in Hades of Turkey joining the EU. 395 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,839 Erm, that wasn't going to happen. 396 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,039 He said to me, "I'm getting in the car, I'm driving back to London. 397 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,039 "I'm going to have it out with him. I'm going to have it out with him." 398 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,839 And I thought, Christ, he's going to go round to Dominic's 399 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,199 and whack him. 400 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,279 I wish I had. God, it would have saved me a lot of trouble. 401 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,759 That would have been a brilliant idea! God, I wish I'd done that! 402 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,920 What a fantastic thing to have done. Erm... 403 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,759 I think I thought about resigning 404 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,280 but in the end I just dissociated myself from that. 405 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:13,919 There were moments in the campaign 406 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,479 where you just couldn't believe what you were seeing. 407 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,519 Sort of nativist, Faragist, 408 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:23,279 {\an8}bunch of claims about immigration that simply aren't true, 409 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,279 and the idea that Turkey was going to join the EU 410 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,119 any time soon was nonsense. 411 00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:31,519 {\an8}I constantly said to David Cameron, "We need to be clear on this. 412 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,519 {\an8}"We have to make clear that we have a veto 413 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,919 "and that we would use it in any suggestion 414 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,239 "that Turkey was going to join the EU." 415 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,759 It was very difficult because I was a campaigner 416 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,039 but I was also the Prime Minister, 417 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,519 erm, and there were, you know, important relationships, 418 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,279 whether with Turkey or other European countries 419 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,839 that, you know, you're trying to think, "I have to think 420 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,679 "about these relationships as well as about the campaign." 421 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,199 This idea that there was going to be a sort of, you know, 422 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,039 reasoned debate just disappeared out the window, 423 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,279 and, I mean, it was a political campaign 424 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:13,800 and it was a very hard-fought, sometimes quite grubby campaign. 425 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,039 Good morning. It's 13 minutes to eight. 426 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,759 The Sun, in its lead, says claims have been swirling around 427 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,519 Westminster and online that Marina Wheeler was the QC 428 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,039 caught in a drunken clinch with another lawyer 429 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,959 at Waterloo Station last summer. 430 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:35,999 I got wind of the fact that there was a rumour around about me. 431 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,039 I don't remember the details 432 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,039 but it definitely involved some knickers somewhere. 433 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,319 Anyway, first, I didn't think very much about it and I thought, 434 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,279 "Well, it will be obvious it wasn't me 435 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,759 "because I wasn't in the country at that time." 436 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:54,280 But then I did start to think people were avoiding me. 437 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:59,359 I was very, very wound up by the personal attacks. 438 00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:03,279 Not just playing the man, not the ball, but playing the man's wife! 439 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,279 And, you know, what kind of politics is it 440 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,520 where they go for people's wives? 441 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,520 Dominic Cummings saw an opportunity. 442 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:17,279 {\an8}We convene in Dom's office 443 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,519 {\an8}and Dom says, "This is Osborne. 444 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,679 "This has to be Osborne." 445 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,039 And we immediately just explain it to Boris. 446 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:32,119 {\an8}An additional kiloton of iron entered his soul at that point. 447 00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:34,919 I probably thought, "Well, sod it", you know? 448 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,119 "Don't get mad, get even." 449 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:41,119 And I thought, "Well, we've just got to win this thing." 450 00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:43,439 And it was from that moment that he said, 451 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,000 "I am prepared to go on TV tomorrow and talk about immigration." 452 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,919 George Osborne says it's utterly untrue 453 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,279 he was the source of the article. 454 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,279 Nonetheless, Cummings' claim worked. 455 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,759 Boris Johnson took the gloves off at a crucial moment - 456 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,800 the day the annual immigration figures were announced. 457 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,639 We went to Four Millbank, 458 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,640 {\an8}where we do all the interviews for the various broadcasters... 459 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,519 ...and I remember walking up the stairs 460 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:19,039 {\an8}as the numbers arrived, and they pinged into my inbox on my phone, 461 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,560 {\an8}and I remember looking at it and thinking, "Crikey." 462 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,639 He went and articulated and bossed an argument 463 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,519 that was all the more compelling 464 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,039 because he was a pro-immigration Mayor of London. 465 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,839 These figures have just come out. 466 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,279 What do you make of them in the broad sense? 467 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,159 I think that they show the scandal 468 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,719 of the promise made by politicians repeatedly 469 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,919 that they could cut immigration to the tens of thousands. 470 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,039 We've now got a city the size of Oxford from the EU alone. 471 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,359 333,000 net from all around the world. 472 00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:19,039 The situation is completely out of control. 473 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,279 The only way to sort it out is vote leave on June the 23rd 474 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:23,960 and take back control. 475 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,679 I was very concerned about this because, to be frank about it, 476 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,519 when we were talking about the economy, we were winning, 477 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,280 when we were talking about immigration, we were losing. 478 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,519 The team running the Remain campaign wanted the Prime Minister 479 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,000 to challenge Vote Leave's immigration offensive. 480 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,719 {\an8}I said, "We've really got to make a blockbuster speech 481 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,039 {\an8}"and confront them over this issue of immigration." 482 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,279 I think I was very clear, 483 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,359 I think Peter Mandelson was clear 484 00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:59,519 that it wasn't enough simply to go on the economy. 485 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,759 That while our economic message was critical, 486 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:07,159 it was necessary for us to win the campaign, it was not sufficient. 487 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,759 I said this to Number 10, but they said, 488 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,559 "No. No, no, no, no, no. We've got to stick to economics. 489 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,039 {\an8}"The moment we start talking about immigration, 490 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,999 "we'll start playing their game." 491 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,839 {\an8}The decision was taken that we shouldn't go out there 492 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,759 {\an8}and add more fuel to the fire, 493 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,679 {\an8}that we actually needed to double down on the economy 494 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,360 and wrecking the economy being the centre of our campaign. 495 00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:35,840 {\an8}Now a referendum campaign broadcast by the Stronger in Europe campaign. 496 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,039 This is Sam. 497 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,999 He's 14 months old. 498 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,959 How you vote in the European referendum will shape his future 499 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,519 and the future of everyone in our country. 500 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,759 If we remain in Europe, there will be more opportunities 501 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,919 for our children to follow their dreams 502 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,839 and make the most out of life 503 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,719 because being in Europe helps our businesses grow. 504 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,039 {\an8}We had to keep doubling down on the economy 505 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,279 {\an8}because that was the one issue that might switch people 506 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,720 who otherwise were going to vote leave. 507 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,759 Despite refusing to confront immigration head on, 508 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,519 Cameron chose to share a platform with Nigel Farage, 509 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,479 hoping to expose the leader of a party he'd once described 510 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:24,079 as a bunch of fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists. 511 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,759 So we arrived for the debate with Nigel Farage 512 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,039 in the Prime Minister's official convoy, 513 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,519 only to see this purple open-top bus 514 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,760 with Nigel Farage arriving at the same time. 515 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,759 He was coming into the green room and I was wandering out 516 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,239 with a cigarette, actually, to be honest with you. 517 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,279 So I said, "Nigel, go. Let's go, go, go. 518 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,439 We could see them walking. 519 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,759 So Nigel... Literally, we're running to get to this door, 520 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,920 knowing that this collision would be news. 521 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,679 So I said, "Hello, David." He's like, "Ooh..." 522 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,919 I mean, he sort of asked how I was and we exchanged pleasantries. 523 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,399 I looked at him and I thought, "I'll tell you what, 524 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,639 "if I feel nervous, you look really nervous." 525 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,039 You know, the concept of doing something with Farage was different 526 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,279 but, on the other hand, I was persuaded, 527 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,519 well, actually, having a moment where you can see 528 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:25,039 what lies behind the campaign, ie Farage, 529 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,439 and what the Prime Minister is saying, 530 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,559 that's a good contrast. 531 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,320 APPLAUSE 532 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:40,279 Good evening. There are now just 16 days to go before the UK 533 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:45,479 makes a momentous decision to stay in or to leave the European Union. 534 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,639 First up this evening is Nigel Farage. 535 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,199 Hi, Nigel. 536 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,519 I know a lot of people... I have an access to 537 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,919 a predominantly black British audience, 538 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,519 and a lot of the concerns that they have raised 539 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,359 is that you are going to increase 540 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,719 the fear and discrimination of black British people 541 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,919 through your anti-immigration rhetoric. 542 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,879 - Well... - Are you encouraging racism? 543 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,519 I don't think you could be more wrong, and here's why. 544 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,759 I take a very strongly pro-Commonwealth view. 545 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,279 I think it was very bad and wrong of us to turn our backs 546 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,039 on the Commonwealth in favour of a European political project. 547 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,039 - You're still anti-immigration, so I don't see... - I'm sorry... 548 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,759 You are anti-immigration. 549 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,439 You've used scaremongering and inflammatory comments 550 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,759 in your campaign that have gone against people that look non-white. 551 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,279 - If you really... - How are non-white British people 552 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,039 going to stop facing discrimination about their identity 553 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,399 and nationality in this country? That is what I really want to know. 554 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,759 It was quite difficult, 555 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,759 with a very engaged, 556 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,479 quite noisy studio audience, to get through. 557 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,679 - You know, if you want to think that... - I don't "think" that. 558 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,679 The majority of people that look black, British or non-white... 559 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,359 - Well, lots of them... - ...have those concerns. - I can't do a lot 560 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,159 - unless I'm allowed talk. - She's put a very clear question to you. 561 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,919 I'm explaining to you our current open border policy 562 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,839 is damaging all of our communities, 563 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,519 and here's our chance, maybe our one and only chance as a nation, 564 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,160 to get a grip on this issue. 565 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,559 Next, it was Cameron's turn, 566 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,519 but the immigration issue didn't go away. 567 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,279 I voted for you in the last election because one of the things 568 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,519 on your manifesto was to get immigration down. 569 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,119 You haven't been able to do that because you're not allowed 570 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,759 to do that. That's the bottom line. 571 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,519 I don't agree with that. I think the biggest risk we can take 572 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,519 is to pull out of the EU, pull out of the single market, 573 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,759 damage our businesses, damage jobs, 574 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,119 and there'll be fewer opportunities for our children and grandchildren. 575 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,199 And I say again, I hope that when people go to vote on June the 23rd, 576 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,439 they vote to say we don't want little England of Nigel Farage, 577 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,359 we want to be Great Britain and we're great if we stay in these 578 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,240 organisations and fight for the sort of values we believe in. 579 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,039 With a fortnight to go, the Remain campaign 580 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,520 sought to demonstrate another cost of leaving the EU. 581 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,239 - - Two retirees on a morning stroll, 582 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,279 except John Major and Tony Blair were in Northern Ireland 583 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,520 on business, walking the famous Peace Bridge for a purpose. 584 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,039 The two former prime ministers argued a vote to leave 585 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,480 would put at risk the peace they had painfully constructed. 586 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,279 So throw away the membership of Europe 587 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,039 and don't be surprised if, in the end, as a consequence, 588 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,479 we accidentally throw away our union as well. 589 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,519 We say to the Leave campaign very directly, 590 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,039 you have fundamental questions to answer about Northern Ireland 591 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,679 about the Common Travel Area, about the effect of leaving the EU 592 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,080 on the future make-up of the United Kingdom. 593 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:56,959 That night, on national TV, Remain drove the point home. 594 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,799 We've had two former prime ministers in Ireland today 595 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,519 pointing out the issue there, where once more Vote Leave have no plan 596 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,639 for what the border would look like. We don't know. 597 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,359 There is danger to the union as well from this proposal to leave. 598 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,399 There is a successful union and it's a United Kingdom. 599 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,359 There's an unsuccessful union and it's called the European Union. 600 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,879 What really, really mattered was repetition of take back control. 601 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,559 Boris Johnson. 602 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,519 On June the 23rd, we all face a historic choice - 603 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,039 to remain locked in a European Union 604 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,319 or to take back control. 605 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,599 - Take back control. - Take back control. - Take back control. 606 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,479 It was destabilising 607 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,999 {\an8}to have them constantly saying "Take back control" at us the whole time. 608 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,999 - Take back control. - To take back control. 609 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,999 Take back control of huge sums of money. 610 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,039 Being repeated and repeated and repeated. 611 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,279 Take back control of our borders, take back control of our economic 612 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,479 policy, our tax, our trade, and take back control of our democracy. 613 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,319 It was a simple answer to a complicated question 614 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,240 and it implied to people that they had some sort of control as well. 615 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,839 There's another one. 616 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,320 ...dictating to us how we ran our country. I want my country back. 617 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,519 As door-to-door campaigning ramped up in the final two weeks, 618 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,279 Leave's message was clearly resonating 619 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,360 with traditional Labour voters. 620 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,919 People realise now nothing changes. 621 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,159 That's why they're looking for an alternative. 622 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,560 I know the 1% in their ivory towers are just laughing their tits off. 623 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,519 It became clear to me the Remain message 624 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,599 was not cutting through at all, 625 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,239 erm, in working class communities 626 00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:40,439 in the Midlands or the North. 627 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,079 Jeremy was continually campaigning throughout. 628 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,679 I mean, he was actually probably more extensive 629 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,279 than any other party leader. 630 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,120 I mean, he did rallies in every part of Britain. 631 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,039 I went to Aberdeen because I was told, "This is going to be great. 632 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,439 "People in Scotland are totally going to vote yes. 633 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,679 "You'll get a great reception and they'll understand your message." 634 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,119 I said, "OK." 635 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,279 Those who want to tear up regulations 636 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,759 are those that want to tear up workers' rights. 637 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,759 We know which side we - the Labour Party - are on, OK? 638 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,559 CHEERING 639 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,519 It ends up with a whole lot of people 640 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,359 from the fishing industry turn up. 641 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,919 They've seen cuts, they've seen austerity, 642 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,439 their kids are in debt, their kids can't get council housing, 643 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,919 "And you expect us to stay in the European Union?" 644 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,039 ...politics in the West Midlands. 645 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,039 CHEERING 646 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,679 Fearing the worst, Cameron wanted Corbyn to campaign 647 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,520 at more high profile media events in the final stretch. 648 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,519 There was a speech at De Montfort University where I stood aside 649 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,039 and gave the platform to the Leader of the Opposition - 650 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,519 to the leader of the Labour Party, and they didn't step up. 651 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,039 I only actually heard about this sort of second hand, basically, 652 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,279 because people said to me, 653 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,279 "Cameron wants you to speak in De Montfort University." 654 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,279 I said, "Well, whatever Cameron wants is not my business." 655 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,040 APPLAUSE 656 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,839 I came in at the last minute. 657 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,639 I wasn't really supposed to be doing that speech. 658 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,279 Maybe I was the fifth, sixth or seventh choice, I don't know, 659 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,759 but I ended up there and we had a good meeting. 660 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,359 45% of our exports go to the European Union. 661 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:25,119 3.2 million jobs related to these exports to Europe. 662 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,039 And if we lost these jobs, it would be a huge disaster 663 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,479 for industrial communities who depend on them. 664 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,039 Of course, if we didn't have all Labour figures working together, 665 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,279 doing the same things and saying roughly the same things at the same 666 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,759 time, it wasn't going to have the difference it should have made. 667 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,279 From our point of view, and the kind of approach 668 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,039 which was favoured by the kind of traditional Labour establishment, 669 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,359 was really having no impact at all 670 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,160 and was, if anything, turning people off more. 671 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,759 With just eight days to go, 672 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,040 Remain worried their warnings had not got through. 673 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,919 Standing alongside his Labour predecessor, 674 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,919 the Chancellor threatened voters if the UK left the EU 675 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,120 he would introduce an immediate emergency budget. 676 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,279 There will be a hole in the public finances. 677 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,519 You've got chancellors from two different political parties saying 678 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,279 that taxes will have to go up, spending will have to be cut. 679 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,439 That is the reality of quitting the EU. 680 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,279 I was utterly committed to trying to win this campaign 681 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,239 because I was utterly convinced that it was a disaster for Britain. 682 00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:34,439 The sorts of tax rises we could see include a 2p rise 683 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,359 on the basic rate of income tax, 684 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,839 a 3p rise in the higher rate, 685 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,519 5% increases in duties on alcohol and on fuel, 686 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,639 a 5% increase in the basic rate of inheritance tax. 687 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,119 Suddenly, all these Tories came out, many of whom had been my friends 688 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,119 in the past and said, "George Osborne has crossed the line. 689 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,639 "This is outrageous. We won't support this budget." 690 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,479 {\an8}It was plainly untrue that 691 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,759 {\an8}these things would come to pass, 692 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,919 {\an8}which it promised. It was plainly not what would ever happen. 693 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,919 We recognise that this is just a scary story, a campaign tactic. 694 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,279 We don't expect it ever to be brought forward. 695 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,119 It would be a repudiation of many of our manifesto promises 696 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,279 and that's why we won't stand for it. 697 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,839 Within hours, Steve Baker had got more than 50 Tory MPs 698 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,759 to sign a statement threatening to bring down their own government 699 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,599 if Osborne proceeded with his budget. 700 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,279 It was a great campaigning moment to take the wheels 701 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,639 off George Osborne's nonsense, and actually gives me some pleasure 702 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,279 to have done it, given the contempt which actually I feel 703 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,039 for that kind of campaigning tactic, to have destroyed it. 704 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,679 That's definitely the moment when, you know, 705 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,039 Second Lieutenant George Osborne got out of the trenches 706 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,679 and got shot by the machineguns on the other side. 707 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,279 And, you know, my own kind of ambitions 708 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,200 to be leader of the Tory Party probably died that day. 709 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,759 With civil war breaking out inside Parliament, 710 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,759 outside Nigel Farage was heading there 711 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,279 with an armada of angry fishermen 712 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,760 who believed the EU was destroying their livelihoods. 713 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,999 We had little boats that had come from Bradwell in Essex. 714 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,079 We had a huge pelagic vessel 715 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,280 that had come down from the north of Scotland. 716 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,559 But some ardent Remainers 717 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,920 were determined to drown out Farage's flotilla. 718 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,719 Blow me down, onboard is Bob Geldof, 719 00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:38,039 Boris Johnson's sister, 720 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,999 many of the great and the good from Kensington and Chelsea. 721 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:46,279 Bob Geldof called and said would I like to be in involved 722 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,559 in some crazed stunt that he was organising, 723 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,199 so I said, "No." 724 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,199 I said, "Why not?, and she said, 725 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,439 {\an8}"Because I don't want to just publicly go against my brother." 726 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,040 I said, "It's got nothing to do with Boris, it's about stopping Nigel." 727 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,439 And they were trying to cut us up, and so our boat was going like this 728 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,080 with all these little trawlers, like Wacky Races. 729 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:18,639 At which point the husband of an MP, Jo Cox, 730 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,799 came swarming out from amongst all these barges. 731 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,839 Brendan Cox with his two kids with their In flags. 732 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,199 Up then pipes this huge, great big loudspeaker. 733 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,239 You are no fisherman's friend! 734 00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:34,719 You are on the European Parliament Fishing Committee, 735 00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:38,719 and you attended one out of 43 meetings! 736 00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:39,959 You're a fraud, Nigel! 737 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,199 "You're a fraud, Nigel! You're a fraud!" 738 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,040 Go back down the river, cos you're up one without a canoe. 739 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,679 We were broadsiding them with rock and roll, you know? 740 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,599 "I'm in with the in crowd." 741 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,999 ♪ I go where the in crowd goes... ♪ 742 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,959 I've got Woodstock, I've got Live Aid, 743 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,919 I've got Glastonbury on my boat. 744 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,679 ♪ And I know what the in crowd knows... ♪ 745 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,439 And the harbour master keeps coming up to our boat 746 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,399 and telling us to turn the music down. 747 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,439 Bob Geldof says, "Well, there's only one thing to do at this point." 748 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:18,959 And I was like, "What's that?" 749 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,599 He said, "Well, I'm going to ring the Prime Minister." 750 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,359 He says, "Bob, I'm really busy." 751 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,399 I just sort of talked to him and said, "Look, I've got to get on 752 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,679 - "with Prime Minister's Questions." - And I said, 753 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,519 "Farage is coming up the river to park outside Parliament 754 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,839 "with a load of fishermen and disrupting PMQs." 755 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,879 He says, "Who told you that?" 756 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,519 I said, "What do you mean, who told me that? We're there now." 757 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,959 I wasn't quite sure what I was meant to do, 758 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,319 so I think it was a relatively brief conversation. 759 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,439 I couldn't suddenly call the Coastguard. 760 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,959 ♪ Spending cash, talking trash... ♪ 761 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,999 The volume was absolutely extraordinary, 762 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,639 and the level of personal invective and abuse 763 00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,519 that was used against me was huge. 764 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,639 ♪ I don't care where you've been 765 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,639 ♪ You ain't been nowhere till you been in... ♪ 766 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,519 Sometimes things can be reduced to a gesture, 767 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,879 you know, you can go like that 768 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,839 or you can go like that. I go with the latter. 769 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,239 There were these wonderful fishing boats with, you know, 770 00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:21,239 adorned with these kind of salty dog types. 771 00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:25,439 And there we were, these metropolitan wankers. 772 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,599 And suddenly the fishermen, 773 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,480 they're surrounding me now and going... 774 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,679 ...apoplectic. 775 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,199 Really, I've never seen people so dangerously angry. 776 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,759 And that's when it turned to Geldof against the fishermen 777 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,879 as opposed to Geldof against me. 778 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,399 There was one guy screaming at me, 779 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,199 really alongside our boat. 780 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,360 And I just said, "Well, come on board." 781 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,559 You're all wrong. And I will stand on this boat and I'll say 782 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,519 you are wrong and you are wrong and you are wrong and you're wrong. 783 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,360 Not one of you lot look like you have come out of Southend-on-Sea. 784 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,840 Everything in that man's voice... 785 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,039 ...you know, everything, his anger, 786 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,159 his rage about his future or the future of his family, 787 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,839 everything was wrapped up in his loathing of me 788 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,599 and all the people who were trying to stop Brexit. 789 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,479 - Boris will help us. - No, he won't. - He will. 790 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,320 Referendum aren't about facts. It's all about emotion. 791 00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:33,399 And that landed. 792 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,839 Traitor! Traitor! 793 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,919 And that was the moment we won, 794 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,760 I think, the biggest PR victory of the whole campaign. 795 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,919 The next day, Farage staged another event, 796 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:56,079 determined immigration dominate the final days of the campaign. 797 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,000 I see poster trucks there and there. 798 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,239 The more outrageous you are, the more attention you get. 799 00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:08,840 The more attention you get, the more outrageous you become. 800 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,199 Well, joining me is the UKIP leader Nigel Farage. 801 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,959 And let me put it to you, that is an extraordinarily incendiary poster 802 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,959 to suggest Britain is somehow at breaking point. 803 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,920 It was a very powerful image. 804 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,039 It's an image, by the way, that if you used it today, 805 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,239 you'd probably get very little criticism. 806 00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:32,319 Every one of these can get to Calais. 807 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,759 We know how bad our government is at defending our borders, 808 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,280 and within a few years, all of these people will have EU passports. 809 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,879 While the media was going crazy about this poster, 810 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,919 I got a phone call 811 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,399 from somebody in MI5 812 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:51,999 who was saying that they thought 813 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,079 that Jo Cox had been very, very severely injured 814 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,399 by somebody who attacked her. 815 00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,279 SIREN WAILS IN DISTANCE 816 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,639 The Labour MP Jo Cox is in a critical condition 817 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,239 after being shot and stabbed in her constituency. 818 00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:10,999 What alerted local people were the sounds of screaming. 819 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,239 Mad, loud, manic screaming, 820 00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:17,719 followed immediately by people rushing out to her aid with towels 821 00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:23,159 and tea blankets and suchlike to try and stem the flow of blood. 822 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,039 She only spoke a couple of days ago 823 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,959 about how excited the children had been 824 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,679 to be involved in the flotilla on the Thames 825 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,359 as part of the European referendum campaigns. Of course, 826 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,759 nobody could have foreseen that this was going to happen. 827 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,119 I knew Jo Cox well. 828 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:40,719 She was one of the most tolerant, 829 00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:42,439 outward-going people, 830 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:43,959 prepared to listen to everybody 831 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,399 and wanting people to come together. 832 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,479 The thing that surprises me time and time again 833 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,839 as I travel around the constituency is that we are far more united 834 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,039 and have far more in common than that which divides us. 835 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,559 She represented something about tolerance 836 00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,239 and about understanding each other 837 00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:04,279 and about building bridges and about cutting across divides. 838 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,799 And yet this campaign has descended into something 839 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,639 that really does no justice to the kind of politics 840 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,639 and the kind of society that we want to see. 841 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,559 - - This is the man accused of murdering her. 842 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,639 Eyewitnesses say he said, "Britain First," 843 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,999 and, "This is for Britain," as he attacked Jo Cox. 844 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,479 {\an8}That night, uh, there was a conversation on the phone 845 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,279 {\an8}between myself, Gisela, Boris, and Dominic Cummings. 846 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,319 I remember thinking, you know, 847 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,599 "My God, is this really... Is it really us who have done... 848 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,079 "Is it... Is it true that this campaign has released 849 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,399 "these appalling feelings in people?" 850 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,279 I literally had people coming up to me and telling me 851 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:46,840 that I had killed Jo Cox. 852 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,879 Uh, and that's why it's really, really hard. 853 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:56,719 All three of us - Boris, Gisela, and me - were upset. 854 00:46:56,720 --> 00:47:01,359 We were convinced, by the way, that it was over for the campaign. 855 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,880 You know, we thought, "Well, you know, um... 856 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:12,039 "..people will think this is a horrible, nasty, uh, 857 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,599 "xenophobic campaign that's bringing out the worst in people." 858 00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,839 We all agreed we would stop campaigning. 859 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,959 Do you regret your breaking point poster? 860 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,439 Well, it said the EU has failed us all, 861 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,519 and it was designed for us to say to people 862 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,120 we do not want to stay part of a union that has failed... 863 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,999 I'm used to criticism, 864 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,319 but that Sunday was of a different level. 865 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,639 It was of a different level. 866 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:39,880 Um... 867 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,559 Completely unfair. Unrelated. 868 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,200 But that's by the by. 869 00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:50,799 The Remain camp are using these awful circumstances 870 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:55,999 to try to say that the motives of one deranged, dangerous individual 871 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,479 were similar of half the country, or perhaps more, 872 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,480 who believe we should leave the EU. 873 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,759 I said, "Look, I'm really sorry that, you know, 874 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,079 "this happened at this moment." 875 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:13,319 Um, didn't apologise for the poster itself or the... the... the... 876 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,559 Any sense of what it was trying to convey, 877 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,879 that Europe's making a catastrophic mistake. 878 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:23,439 We shouldn't allow ourselves to be part of it. Um... 879 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,519 But I apologise, obviously, if anyone thought that this was 880 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,600 what the Leave campaign was about, which it clearly wasn't. 881 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,199 The polls were swinging towards Remain. 882 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,719 David Cameron wanted to resume campaigning 883 00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:44,439 with a display of national unity. 884 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,959 I remember ringing Gordon with this idea that we should have, you know, 885 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,799 the four living Prime Ministers - 886 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,439 Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, John Major and myself - 887 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,999 outside Downing Street on lecterns, a lectern each, 888 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,039 explaining why we as serving and previous Prime Ministers 889 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,479 thought it was in Britain's national interest. We would be stronger, 890 00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,279 safer, better off if we stayed. 891 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:08,999 And I said, "Look, that will not work, 892 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,159 "because why people are voting against us, 893 00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:12,519 "particularly Labour voters, 894 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,759 "is they see it as an establishment stitch-up. 895 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,719 "It's nothing to do with them. Europe is some far off place 896 00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:19,959 "and it's not really benefiting their lives." 897 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:24,199 I respected his arguments, he's a highly intelligent man, 898 00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,159 but I was a bit frustrated because I thought, 899 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,559 "Look, it may not be the perfect idea, 900 00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:33,199 "but there's something about the striking image and reality of people 901 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,119 "with radically different opinions about life 902 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:37,639 "saying we should stay in." 903 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,719 And he said, "We need a shock factor." 904 00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:42,439 And I said to him, "Look, we've had the shock factor. 905 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,760 "Jo Cox was assassinated." 906 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,919 Instead of what I would have called an establishment stitch-up, 907 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,879 I wanted a different proposal, which was all the Labour leaders 908 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,879 trying to get the Labour vote out. 909 00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,039 That was the vote that was most at risk 910 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,919 and they would all appear together and speak together 911 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,639 about the importance of staying inside the European Union 912 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,560 and leading Europe, not leaving it. 913 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,440 The call was made to Jeremy Corbyn. 914 00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,279 I said, "Absolutely, no." 915 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,679 Um... listen, Blair... 916 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,439 ...started my leadership campaign 917 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:20,679 by saying, 918 00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,239 "If you've got a heart to vote for Jeremy Corbyn, 919 00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:25,639 "you need a heart transplant." 920 00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,839 And he was unremitting in his attacks and abuse on me 921 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,719 the whole time, and remained so. 922 00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:33,759 It was barely a decade after the 923 00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,999 invasion/occupation of Iraq. 924 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,199 A significant section 925 00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:42,719 of the British public still regarded Tony Blair as a war criminal. 926 00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:45,279 Cos the people that had voted for me had clearly voted for me 927 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,639 as an alternative to Blair, the war, the free market, 928 00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,679 and all the other stuff that Blair's so keen on. 929 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:53,720 So, no. 930 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:00,719 - - Feeling confident, Prime Minister? 931 00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:01,960 CAMERAS CLICK 932 00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,639 Polling day itself was quite a strange day, 933 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,919 because 23rd of June was the date that my oldest daughter 934 00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,079 was graduating from St Andrews. 935 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:21,599 And it was a difficult day because, obviously, Boris was there, 936 00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:26,719 very visible, attracting quite a lot of, um, notice and attention. 937 00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:30,479 The atmosphere you could have cut with a knife. I mean, my goodness. 938 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,879 I mean, you could not find a more Remain, uh, environment. 939 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,839 And, you know, they looked at me as though like, you know, 940 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,199 God, something the cat brought in. 941 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,479 Things were dragging on a bit and I remember saying to Marina, 942 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:43,959 "We've got to go." 943 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,039 We were miles and miles from London 944 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:48,759 and miles and miles from the polling station. 945 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:54,199 It would really not be great if Boris missed the, um, polls, 946 00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,679 having led the Vote Leave campaign. 947 00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:00,120 Um, I don't think he would have heard the end of that. 948 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,679 We eventually landed at City Airport in London 949 00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,879 with about an hour to go or so. 950 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,120 Boris said, "Let's go on the DLR." 951 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,559 We rushed across to vote with sort of 15 minutes to spare. 952 00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,439 Loads of photographers follow us back to the house. 953 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,839 We got through the front door and virtually the first thing 954 00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,759 that appears on the BBC special coverage 955 00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,799 is news that Boris Johnson has told a man on the Underground 956 00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,519 that they're not going to win the referendum. 957 00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,959 And I remember looking at him and just saying, 958 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,640 "How many times have I told you? Don't speak to people on the Tube." 959 00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,559 Good evening and welcome, at the end of this momentous day, 960 00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,999 when each one of us has had the chance to say 961 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,799 what kind of country we want to live in. 962 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,399 So, the evening of the referendum campaign 963 00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,959 sort of started quite confidently, 964 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:53,599 because these opinion poll organisations were saying, um, 965 00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,639 that they thought that we had won. 966 00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:59,639 The polling stations close after weeks, months, years of argument 967 00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,759 and we'll have the answer to the question 968 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,119 that's haunted British politics for so long - 969 00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,639 do we want to be in or out of the EU? 970 00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:12,999 When ten o'clock came, it's like all the adrenaline's gone. 971 00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,999 And I said, mistakenly, "Well, you know what? 972 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,399 "Maybe the other side will win." 973 00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,559 Take this with a pinch of salt but we have had, uh... 974 00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,319 We've spoken to Nigel Farage. 975 00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,519 {\an8}"It's been an extraordinary referendum campaign." 976 00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,799 {\an8}This is Nigel Farage. "Turnout looks to be exceptionally high 977 00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,119 {\an8}"and looks like Remain will edge it." 978 00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,719 I sort of began to sink a little bit cos there was nothing more I can do. 979 00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:33,279 I've tried so hard. 980 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:38,599 The total number of votes cast in favour of Remain was 981 00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,160 51,930. 982 00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:47,799 The total number of votes cast in favour of Leave was 983 00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,279 82,000... 984 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,639 CHEERING 985 00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,839 I thought, "Wow! That's a huge, huge, uh... 986 00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,239 "That's much bigger than they were forecasting." 987 00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:00,479 So I was watching the snake on... 988 00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,079 I was watching the Betfair numbers 989 00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:07,079 and seeing suddenly it kinked, uh, for Leave. 990 00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:12,199 {\an8}The total number of votes cast in favour of Leave was... 991 00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:16,039 {\an8}...67,251. 992 00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,679 {\an8}CHEERING {\an8}Goodbye, Brussels! 993 00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,879 I remember my daughter, Nancy, was sort of sitting next to me 994 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,039 around this table, we were watching the TV and she sort of said, 995 00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,799 "Dad, we're losing this." And I could... I could feel it. 996 00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,679 I remember going up to my own apartment, 997 00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,359 which was in 10 Downing Street, sort of lying on the sofa, 998 00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,519 and my family were asleep - it was, like, three in the morning - 999 00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,439 and just going, "Everything is in ruins." 1000 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,879 So it wasn't just my own personal ambitions that were being... 1001 00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,719 You know, going up in smoke. It was also I felt deeply patriotic 1002 00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:49,159 that my country was making a really terrible wrong turn. 1003 00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,879 The British people have spoken and the answer is we're out. 1004 00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,759 CHEERING 1005 00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,039 I've campaigned for something 1006 00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,999 that everybody told me was a waste of time, 1007 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,479 I was wasting my time. 1008 00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:06,199 And a dream that I had and pursued relentlessly 1009 00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,039 had actually come to pass. 1010 00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:14,319 Let June the 23rd go down in our history as our Independence Day! 1011 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,039 CHEERING 1012 00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,959 In the end, Leave had won by 4%, 1013 00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,400 52 to 48. 1014 00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,039 I just felt I'd have no credibility. 1015 00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,279 I felt that the country needed a new Prime Minister. 1016 00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,519 Samantha agreed about that. 1017 00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,799 Uh, I remember her saying, you know, 1018 00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,519 "Gosh, I just don't think I can face going out there." 1019 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:51,279 I love this country and I feel honoured to have served it, 1020 00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,959 and I will do everything I can in future 1021 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,999 to help this great country succeed. 1022 00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,360 Thank you very much. 1023 00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:00,999 And I remember Boris just saying, 1024 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,839 "Jesus Christ, poor Sam. What the hell? What the hell?" 1025 00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,840 And he was obsessed by her sort of reaction. 1026 00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,000 Well, what I felt was... 1027 00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,200 ..."Right, um... 1028 00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,559 ..."we're going to have to do something. 1029 00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,320 "It's going to have to involve me. 1030 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,079 "I better... We better go down and give a press conference 1031 00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:28,160 "and try and... Try and settle things, try and steady the ship". 1032 00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,959 CROWD SHOUTS 1033 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,639 It was that moment when we walked out the door 1034 00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:39,199 that I knew that probably the course of the country, 1035 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,559 certainly Boris' part in it, had changed forever. 1036 00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,600 SHOUTING 1037 00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,919 You know, suddenly, you know, having been used to, um... 1038 00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,519 ...you know, people being... People heckle, 1039 00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,359 people shout jocular insults, "You Tory tosser," and so on, 1040 00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,639 but they were really angry. They were really upset. 1041 00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,479 SHOUTING 1042 00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,159 Shame on you, Boris! 1043 00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:06,559 We managed to get in the car 1044 00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,079 with the help of quite a few police officers, 1045 00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:13,639 and the car left the front and sped off down the road. 1046 00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:18,439 And at the end of their road there is a traffic light and it was green. 1047 00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:19,919 And just before he reached it, 1048 00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,359 it went orange and he braked and it went red and he stopped. 1049 00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:24,719 BOOING 1050 00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,599 And instantly we were surrounded by protesters 1051 00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,320 and really, really angry people. 1052 00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,759 It was then that I, you know, I really felt the... the strength 1053 00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,319 of people's feeling about this. 1054 00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,279 I underestimated 1055 00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,119 how deeply it spoke to people. 1056 00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,719 For the first time I'd ever seen him looking, like, properly fearful, 1057 00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,479 not necessarily just for his own safety, 1058 00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:53,040 but for a sense of kind of what has this unleashed? 1059 00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,599 Taking control, Boris? 1060 00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,679 {\an8}Obviously, we were delighted that we'd won, but conscious 1061 00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,559 {\an8}that we were embarking on what would be a difficult path. 1062 00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:08,079 I don't think any of us realised quite how difficult it would be. 1063 00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,919 Suddenly the people are looking at you thinking, you know, 1064 00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:12,559 "You're in charge of defence, 1065 00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,440 "you're in charge of tax, you're in charge of everything." 1066 00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,919 For those who may be anxious, whether at home or abroad, 1067 00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,879 this does not mean 1068 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:31,359 that the United Kingdom will be in any way less united. 1069 00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:36,640 Nor, indeed, does it mean that it will be any less European. 1070 00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:43,559 We didn't ha... You know, we didn't have a plan for what to do next, 1071 00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:47,080 because we didn't think it was our job to... to have a plan. 1072 00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,040 ♪ Out of control 1073 00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,560 ♪ Out of control 1074 00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,040 ♪ Out of control... ♪ 92427

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