All language subtitles for 1995 Fritz Springmeier _Bloodlines of the Illuminati_ Interview

of the human race.

They do not understand.

They do not understand the real aims and

purposes of that organization.

They do not understand.

Go ahead.

Hi, I'm Jeff Contreras, and I'm host of
Austin cable access show. Therefore, I

am the philosophical show with the
political edge. And boy, do I have quite

special treat for you today.

For the next hour or so, we'll be
talking to Fritz Springmeier, author of

Bloodlines of the Illuminati.

Fritz, thank you so much for being here
today.

Thank you for having me. It's a real
pleasure.

Fritz, your book has been out now for,
actually it was republished, isn't that

correct? Yes, it's been reprinted twice.

Reprinted twice. And the title of the
book is The Bloodlines of the

What exactly is the Illuminati?

The Illuminati is the continuation of
the mystery religions.

There was quite a number of mystery
religions in antiquity, and these

mystery religions had councils that
controlled them. And then there was a

supreme council that operated clear from
India to the British

Isles. that then coordinated all of
these mystery religions.

And that would be today what we call the
hierarchy of the Illuminati.

So the Illuminati is basically just an
extension of the mystery religion

the whole type of philosophy.

Yes, it was a way of hoarding knowledge
and power to a few special people.

And how did they hoard the knowledge?

Well...

When I say knowledge, some of the
knowledge is pseudo -knowledge, and some

the knowledge is actually scientific
knowledge, which enabled, for instance,

Christopher Columbus to be certain that
he could sail across the Atlantic

and hit land. He was associated with the
Knights Templars, which is one of these

secret societies associated with the
Illuminati.

So you've got different types of
knowledge, but some of the knowledge is

actually bogus. It's just claimed so
that they can get people to

join whatever mystery religion they're
trying to offer.

Okay, Fritz. Now, why are families so
important in this?

It's obviously you titled it Bloodlines,
and that must have to do with the

families. Why are they so important?

It has to do with...

how they pass power from one generation
to another. It also involves the

occult powers.

They try to have full -blooded members.

They believe that, at least the
traditionalists within the Illuminati,

the full -blooded members, they believe
that to really be a powerful witch,

with all the occult powers that
demonology gives you, that you have to

be a full -blooded member who's got a

genealogy that goes back many years.

So, in effect, what you're talking about
is basically generational Satanism.

Right, it's generational Satanism. And
they have to operate also within

bloodlines because...

of the way that they carry out their
mind control, they

make program DID, or what was commonly
known for

a couple hundred years as multiple
personality disorder.

They program their members with MPD, and
in order to

do that, You have to have someone who
will disassociate when they're

rather than die.

There's three things you can do when
you're severely traumatized. You can

curl up and die, or you can go crazy, or
you can have the creativity and the

disassociative abilities to splinter the
mind into a multiple.

And they want that ability.

It's essential because...

The satanic rituals that they carry out,
which are horrendous traditional

rituals, blood sacrifices, requires a

certain level of insanity and
disassociative ability.

In other words, what I'm getting at is,
if you were a normal sane

person,

and you had to participate in the higher
level Illuminati rituals, you'd

probably go crazy without the

programming in the MPD that they carry
out. So

it's absolutely essential that they

maintain the bloodlines.

Okay, Fritz, now when you talk about
blood sacrifice, what do you mean? Are

talking about chickens or goats or
something like that?

No.

Unfortunately, I'm talking about human
sacrifices.

You go throughout the world and you
examine the different cultures

and you'll find that human sacrifice has
been fairly widespread.

These powerful families have always felt
that they gained power through

sacrificing other people.

So you're saying that the blood
sacrifice that we've read or heard about

throughout the history books has never
actually stopped.

It's just gone into secret.

That's right. Correct.

That's very incredible.

In the book, Bloodlines of the
Illuminati, you point out that 13

control of the Illuminati structure.

But in your book, you list 14 families.
Could you explain this a little bit?

Sure.

They themselves decided that they would
have 13 families, or really maybe a

more descriptive word would be tribes.

It's my understanding that the reason
why they chose the number 13 besides its

magical implications is also it's a
mockery of what God had done.

Because, as you know, there were 12
tribes and then Ephraim and Manasseh

added, which were split off of the tribe
of Joseph, which gave you 13 tribes

of Israel.

And so in mockery of that.

then they have chosen 13 satanic
bloodlines.

But in working with people that were in
the Illuminati and helping people get

out of the Illuminati, I've gotten a
fairly good handle on what last surnames

they use.

And although there's hundreds of, say,
for instance,

Rothschilds in the United States, Most
of the descendants of the Rothschilds

have other surnames.

And so when I say bloodlines, that's
more descriptive of

families.

And there are certain families within
the entire context of the

Illuminati that have become powerful in
themselves but aren't labeled by

them as one of the top 13.

And as there's a continual power
struggle between everybody within the

hierarchy, you have some factions that
become more powerful. And as those

families become more powerful, they
deserve recognition of their own. So I

listed the Reynolds and the Krupp
family.

Actually, I listed two extra besides the
13, the Reynolds and the Krupp family.

Because from the inside information I
had gotten, They were very powerful.

So what you're saying is that the
families that are the top 13 families

now were not the top 13 families, say,
of maybe 200 years ago or even as far

back as 1 ,000 years ago, that as these
Illuminati families struggle for power

within their own system, they replace
some families with others and vice

Yeah, I believe that that process is
ongoing.

But I also believe that beyond just
having the 13

families that they have listed as
important or the top, they also, in a

recognize the power of other families.
For instance, Bill Clinton has

become very powerful in his own right,
or the George Bush

family. So although they are descendants

of these 13 tribes, they in themselves
now in this time period

are worthy of special focus or mention.

Okay, Fritz. Well, we talked a little
bit about the Illuminati structure.

Could you briefly explain how this
structure is set up?

Yes, it's a pyramid structure.

There's two basic levels in the
Illuminati. There's the anarchy level.

In one of my books, I listed hundreds of
satanic covens and their

addresses across the United States.

I mean, there were so many that I
listed, numerous pages, that I haven't

through and counted how many hundreds of
addresses of different covens.

And these are very eclectic. And besides
these witchcraft covens, there's other

lodge systems and other things also on
the anarchy level.

On the anarchy level, you can't discern
any pattern because everybody believes

differently.

Then there's three levels within the
anarchy level. As you know, there's

three levels to witchcraft.

The next level is the hierarchy level,
which also

has basically three levels to it.
Although within those three levels,

ranks and grades.

And above that, there are councils that
you can belong to that have special

powers.

special ranks and grades above those
three basic grades. But yeah, it's

basically anarchy level and hierarchy
level with three levels to each of

Now how does this structure...

basically control, or why should we even
be worried about the Illuminati? If

there's just a structure that's out
there with anarchy, and then there's the

structure that controls the anarchy
level, isn't that just some type of

contained system within itself?

Why should we, as just normal everyday
people, be worried about this?

Well, the general public, as you
probably know, is not concerned about

they should be because all kinds of
things...

All aspects of their lives are
influenced by these people.

They're the movers and shakers of the
world.

There's some disinformation out there
that I need to clarify, and that is the

misunderstanding that's common out there
is that this man Adam Weishaupt, which

was a pseudonym, a name that he had
taken actually, started the Illuminati.

He did create a modern structure for it.
He was paid by these families to create

a modern structure.

But he didn't originate the Illuminati.
The Illuminati goes back thousands of

years before him.

And the reason why I mention this is
that if we go back into antiquity,

we will see that there were certain
families.

that were deified as gods, like Pharaoh,
Alexander the Great.

Maybe some of the viewers don't know
that Alexander the Great believed that

was descended from gods.

Genghis Khan, who still worshipped in
Mongolia.

These powerful families believed they
were gods, and they controlled

through their priesthoods in these
mystery religions.

the people that were subservient to
them.

They never wanted to relinquish power.

They networked together.

And over history, you can never find any
point in history where they gave up

their power.

What they did is they did a lot of
sleight of hands and went underground

or behind the scenes and let other
people become front men, but they've

stayed. in power.

You can see a lot of, I give a lot of
evidence of that in my Bloodlines of the

Illuminati book.

Just some everyday examples that I ran
into is as a boy, you know, I met Henry

Cabot Lodge.

And someone who would read American
history would know about John Cabot

exploring the United States.

which was of the Italian Kubota family.

This is an ancient family, and yet you
can see their influence in history all

down through the years.

Recently there was a book, Holy Blood,
Holy Grail. Well, I say recent. It's not

been recent recent, but it became a
bestseller. And then the authors made

a trilogy of books, Messianic Legacy.

and the Temple and the Lodge, and
Pageant and Lay and Lincoln were the

authors of that trilogy of books.

And they go in and discuss how all of
the royalty and aristocrats of Europe

are descended from one single bloodline.

Now, of course, then when you go to look
at our precedents, you

find that 11 of our presidents, at least
11, are part of that

bloodline. At least 11 presidents are
descendants from European royalty.

Right, the Merovingian dynasty, at least
11.

And a man recently...

You know, David Icke, you may have heard
of him, says that he has the genealogy

charts to show that all of our
presidents were related.

I have, in the talks that I've given in
the

last couple of days here in Austin, I
showed a genealogy chart that I have,

which shows 12 of the American
presidents very closely related.

Okay Fritz, well you talked about how
these Illuminati families

When they have power and we can see
that, then they go into hiding.

Most people would say that the Templars,
the Knights Templars, were one of these

Illuminati structures.

Could you explain basically how they
supposedly went into hiding? Because you

hear about the Templars, they had quite
a long reign, and then the French turned

against them, and then they were
outlawed by the Pope, and then they just

disappeared out of history.

Right, but they didn't.

Although the Pope outlawed them, they
were able to flee, and initially they

to places in Spain and Portugal, and
from there they boarded ships and they

sailed to Scotland.

And there was a decision made to give
Scotland its independence, and the

Templars that landed in Scotland then in
the Battle of Bannockburn helped the

Scottish gain their independence.

and then became very prominent in the
affairs of Scotland.

Well, you know, Fritz, I saw the movie
Braveheart, and I don't remember there

being any Templar knights in that movie.

Yes, that's true, but the movie ended
before the Battle of Bannockburn.

Oh, all right, I understand now.

Okay, well, Fritz, now that we know
basically a little bit about the

and about how they structure their
system...

Can you give us a little bit of the
mindset of these Illuminati families? I

mean, why do these families, these 13
families and other families, feel that

they have the right or the authority to
control almost every aspect of our

lives?

These families, since antiquity, have
believed that they were

gods.

And, of course, they have been
worshipped in many periods as gods.

And they continue to pass that prideful
belief

down from one generation to another.
They believe that they're

a superior being.

Oftentimes, when I've seen quotes by
these people or heard people relate what

they heard, you see that they refer to
us as ants or cattle.

And that's, they basically have the idea
that they were born to be gods and rule

us and we were born to serve them.

Okay, so they felt that they were gods
and they were worshipped as such in

ancient times. But with the rise of
Christianity and things such as the

Inquisition and maybe even the
Reformation, shouldn't the people of

stomped all of this out?

they would use Christianity for their
own ends.

So they established churches that they
themselves controlled, and they went

behind the scenes and set up a lot of
fronts.

So what you see, for instance, as proof
of what I'm talking about, is at the end

of World War II,

And there was commission sent around
Europe to examine all of the churches

cathedrals that had been damaged by the
bombing. And they found something like

80 % of these churches had hidden cult
altars

underneath the Christian altar that
wasn't exposed until they were damaged.

In other words, what was happening
was...

is these churches were built on ley
lines, and satanic rituals had been

practiced in these Christian churches
all down through the Middle Ages and up

present times.

These were sacred sites that the
churches were built on. In fact, some of

were built on very sacred druid sites
and things like this.

And so the Christian churches were
simply...

functioning as a front so that these
people could do their human sacrifices

so forth in secret.

And of course, then they became pillars
of society with their multiple

personalities. They could have a front
personality that was the ideal

And on the Sabbath, on Friday night,
they could be sacrificing

somebody.

Perhaps on Sunday morning, they could be
the reverend that was giving the

sermon.

There's a number of other proofs or
evidences of what

was going on. If you go throughout
Europe, you'll see a large number of the

churches had winged reptilian gargoyles
put on them.

including something that's really
bizarre. They would have people,

statues of people bent over.

How do you describe it on television?

They're bent over taking a dump.

And this is on the side of a cathedral?
This is on the side of churches that

were built, that the statues built,
naked people showing their bare

bottoms. And if you ask why did these
Masonic trade guilds build gargoyles

and people taking an excrement, you're
told they did it for Christ.

And I guess what people really don't
understand is that most of Christianity

evolved from the Catholic religion.

And the word Catholic itself means
universal.

And so they just went out into their
areas and just absorbed all of the local

religions of whatever land they were at.

That's very well said. There were a
number of mystery religions that

their authority into the Catholic
Church. For instance, the mystery

Dagon.

which was the fish god.

You'll notice that one of the symbols
that the Christians use today is the

And the Pope's hat, his miter hat, was
the crown of authority of the

head of the mystery religion of Dagon.

He, at one point in history, was given
the authority to be

head of that mystery religion.

And so, yeah, the Catholic Church was a
good way to

also absorb a lot of the paganism,
right,

besides being a front.

a front for the more serious hardcore.

So you mean, Fritz, when I'm driving
around in my car and I see another car

front of me with the little fish symbol
on the back of it, that the symbol, in

reality, even though they believe it
represents Christ, is really a symbol

the Dagon mystery religion?

I don't think that you'll find
Christians putting it on there because

worship Dagon.

But all I'm doing is saying

a lot of these symbols have histories
beyond what the Christian church thinks

about. You'll find a lot of,

well, for instance, I have personally
with my own eyes seen a good

number. I don't know if good is the word
for it.

I've seen a number of churches with the
Masonic Knights Templar logo on the side

of their churches.

And what logo is that?

It's a cross and a crown.

Cross and crown.

Right. It's a particular...

designed a certain way. And it's very
clear that it's a Masonic symbol. And

there's a lot of other symbols.

I've seen all -seeing eyes.

There's Catholic churches that have the
Illuminati all -seeing eye, you know,

that's in the pyramid.

Well, speaking of the all -seeing eye,
our local cable outlet, basically who

helps us put on this show here, Time
Warner in Austin, their symbol for their

corporation is an eye.

Isn't that kind of funny?

Yes, well, it all ties together.

It's an enormous thing.

To someone who hasn't been initiated
into,

who hasn't studied this, the whole

subject is so vast and so incredible
that

it's... really difficult to absorb.

That's why I really strongly encourage
someone to begin by reading the

Bloodlines of the Illuminati book, where
I have the time to lay things out

systematically. So you can see that this
thing started in antiquity. These

people controlled everything back then.
They never gave up control, although

they have worked through trade guilds
and the Masonic Lodge and other things.

They've always had the power. They never
gave up the power. And when this

country was created, we thought that we
were getting away from the aristocracies

and the kings of Europe.

But lo and behold, like I said, I can
document that 11 of our presidents are

related to the royal family in the
United Kingdom.

Boy, I tell you, Prince.

This all sounds so incredible, just like
you said. When you were doing research

for this book, how much documentation
did you actually find which supports

outlook and beliefs on the Illuminati?

Well, I've done many years of research,
and I was just joking with somebody that

I was visiting this morning because when
I moved into my new

house, I had been telling people I had
100 boxes of...

papers you know documentation newspapers
and stuff that i collected but after i

had filed those away and i counted i had
140 boxes left so

um a lot of what i have

um learned was was because i've worked
for years with people that are

trying to escape the illuminati and they
helped my learning curve greatly they

point in the right direction.

And a lot of information is right there
if we scratch below the surface.

But they realize that there are very few
people like me that are going to be

looking in the right direction and
scratching under the surface.

And they don't have time to hide it all.

So there is an enormous amount of
information out there that relates to

families.

And I just, in that type of person, to
plow through enormous amounts of

information, that was just, I guess, the
gift that God gave me.

So what you're saying then, basically,
Fritz, is that the information is out

there, and really all you have to do is
begin to search for it. Is that correct?

Yes. I believe that a lot of the
readers, once they have read my

Bloodlines of the Illuminati book, and
then...

And once they maybe have read some of
the other books that I have and gotten a

basic understanding of what's going on,
they're going to start seeing these

things all around them, and they can
teach themselves, and they can

further their understanding on their own
without my help.

Okay, Fritz. Well, let's... jump a
little bit inside of the book, okay? I

you mentioned, as one of the Illuminati
families, the Kennedy family.

Now, with all of their recent tragedy in
the past few decades, how can you still

feel like the Kennedys are major
contributors to this whole power

There's definitely been some power
struggles, and the

Kennedys have been on the short end of
the power struggles.

That's true.

But after John F. Kennedy was
assassinated and his

brother, Ted Kennedy still was an
extremely powerful senator because of

his tenure and all of the committees he
was on and everything. He was one of the

most powerful men in the United States.

So that immediate family.

continues to be called by the news media
as America's royal family.

But let's understand that the Kennedy
bloodline is far greater than just

John F. Kennedy's family.

Well, what do you mean, Fritz? I think
most people would...

When they think of the Kennedys, they
think, oh, well, you had John's father,

Jack was it, and he made all his money.

Basically, you hear rumors that he made
most of his money through prohibition,

and then he made a killing off of the
stock market crash.

And really, that's when we start to hear
about the Kennedys. Are you trying to

tell me that they have a history that
goes further back?

Yes, they have a history that goes way
further back.

In fact, the Kennedys are descendants
from Brian Boro.

who was the first Kennedy, and he was
one of the most significant kings in

European history.

So you see that they're tied back to
royalty. In fact, John F. Kennedy's

married into British royalty.

So these are just not commoners that
grew up in a log cabin.

There's something that I would point out
to our listeners out there in

television land, and that is that the
movers and shakers do not

become rich and powerful and then join
the Illuminati. They become

rich and powerful because they are part
of these Illuminati bloodlines, and

their councils decide.

how they're going to divide up such
things as the drug trade, monopolies,

and things like this.

And so when you see these families like
the Astor family go from being totally

poor, and in a few years, John Jacob
Astor is the richest man

in North America.

Maybe I'll use him as an example.

Okay. since I got started talking about
him.

John Jacob Astor came from Germany from
a small town, Waldorf.

His background was being a butcher.

He couldn't hardly speak any English.
His English was broken.

He was the type of person that if you
were sitting beside him eating, he might

grab your shirt and wipe his dirty face
on it while he was eating the meal.

He was gross. He was crude.

He was not somebody that you would enjoy
being around. Yet this man, who could

barely speak English, and who was an
exceptionally obnoxious person, within a

few years became the most richest man in
America.

Now, how did that happen? There had been
fur trade for hundreds of years, but

all of a sudden he comes to America.

and monopolizes the entire fur trade,
basically, on North America. Now, how

he gain control?

It's because somebody in the Illuminati
Council had decided the Astor bloodline,

which is a bloodline that goes back to
antiquity, the name is a derivative of

Astarte, they had decided that the Astor
family, you know, would be given that

privilege.

Why did Bill Clinton become president?

Somebody made the decision many years
ago.

You can look back at the things Bill
popped off and said as he was a

kid. He said, I'm going to be president.

Okay, Fritz, well, we talked a little
bit about the Kennedys, and I noticed

another Illuminati family that you
mentioned in your bloodline book is the

Onassis family.

As far back as I can remember, just out
of recent memory, the only Onassis I

could ever think of was Aristotle
Onassis.

And really the only reason I bring him
up is because we talked about the

Kennedys, and they seem to be linked a
little bit. Could you briefly describe

how the Onassis fit into this picture?

Onassis was, again, someone like John
Jacob Astor.

His family lived, Aristotle's father,
Socrates,

lived, Turkey and at the end of World

War one and the Turks committed genocide
against the Greeks and

the Americans had a warship off of the
coast and very

strange thing happened I mean you have
millions of Greeks being killed but for

some reason this American warship sends

a party of Marines ashore, and the one
person they rescue is some obscure boy

named Onassis.

And the reason they give is because he
had sold a bottle of liquor to the

captain of the ship, and the captain of
the ship had taken a liking to him.

Well, that's a nice story.

So then Onassis comes to South America.
He lands in South America

penniless. In Argentina.

But in within, supposedly by washing
dishes, within a few years, he's a

multimillionaire, one of the richest
people in the world.

From being a dishwasher.

Yeah, yeah. Some jobs like being a
dishwasher.

You know, you can see this kind of stuff
in Back to the Future with Biff, you

know.

This is what we're talking about.

So what I'm getting at is, He became
rich because he was in one of these

bloodlines. How extensive is that
bloodline? Who else is part of that

I don't know the full extent of that
bloodline. I know that in working with

people that I brought out of the
Illuminati, most of the people of these

bloodlines do not have surnames that
match the bloodline that they belong to.

Their only major connection, so to
speak, is when they are put

before the Grand Dame, and she is to
give

her approval as to whether they're
accepted into the Illuminati or not when

they're like age three, and they're
given a physical inspection, just like

Masons don't want anybody who's got
physical defects.

They're given an overall inspection, and
in that initiation ceremony, they will

announce what bloodline they belong to.
But then they will continue going

through life with a plethora of other
names.

Okay. Well, Fritz, after hearing you
speak over the

weekend, I think one of the best
examples to help people kind of

How the Illuminati control world events.

Could you kind of briefly describe some
of the major events of the Illuminati

-controlled World War II?

Oh, of World War II. Right.

Okay.

Yeah, I'll focus on that. I might just
mention to our audience, I

could go back and essentially every war
that there is, I could go through and

show how these families have created
them, manipulated them.

Well, you can look at Wall Street, and
the Illuminati families

on Wall Street were the ones that
financed Hitler to come to power.

Also, you'll see that the Krupp family
in Germany, plus a few other leading

industrial Illuminati giants... Now,
you're talking about the Krupps that

the coffee machines.

Is that right?

Yeah, I'm talking about the Krupps that
make a lot more than coffee machines.

I don't know how many thousands of
factories they have today, but they were

the ones that built the tanks and a lot
of other locomotives and a lot of the

other steel works that the Germans
needed for their war machinery.

And these people were the ones...

Well, one of them said, we've hired
Hitler. So they viewed Hitler as their

hireling.

So American and German and British
Illuminati

financiers brought Hitler to power.

So you had that aspect happening.

And then the dialectics that was created
that created the issues and how the

war came about were also.

Illuminati family manipulations. And
then the United States' entry into the

Let me point out something here.

We haven't mentioned Freemasonry, but
Freemasonry is the continuation of the

mystery of religions.

And Freemasonry...

and the Illuminati are like a glove in
the hand.

Well, hold on just a second, Fritz. I
mean, I know some Freemasons. I even

with one, and I mean, he seems to be the
most down -to -earth guy I've ever

known. And as a matter of fact, if I
even get to talk into politics too much

about him, I feel kind of sort of that I
even know a little bit more what's

going on than him. How is he controlling
the world?

Oh, he's just a member of a lodge
system.

We're talking the lodge system.

It needs a lot of good men at the base
to support its structure.

And two -thirds of the Freemasons don't
go beyond the third degree.

They're that financial base supporting
this pyramid structure.

But at the top, we have these people.
For instance, the

Sinclair family, which is...

part of the 13th Illuminati family, they
were given, if you look in

Masonic Encyclopedia, you'll see that
they're listed as having been given

headship over the Freemasons,

and that was something that was to be
passed from generation to generation.

So you'll see that these bloodlines...

are in control of Freemasonry just like
so many other things. The royal family

of Britain has been at the top of
Freemasonry in the United Kingdom.

So it's not that every Freemason is in
the

Illuminati. It's that this is just one
more.

uh system or lodge or secret society
that's controlled by them and and

uh freemasonry just happens to be has
been in the past it's it's no

longer so much the powerful tool that it
was in the past but it's been one of

their most powerful tools in the world
for carrying out what their agenda

okay

So let's see. Let's pick up where I was.
Back in World War II?

Back to World War II. The reason why I
had to bring in the Freemasons is Stalin

and Churchill and Roosevelt, who were
the Allied leaders, they were all three

Freemasons.

And Churchill was of the Illuminati
bloodlines, and

so was Roosevelt.

Stalin married into one of these
prominent...

gaganovich if i'm pronouncing the
russian name uh right um he married into

prominent um illuminati bloodline and in
fact you see

in russian politics that same same uh
family that solon was married to is

very powerful in russian politics but
anyway so you had three people that are

con that are controlling these com
countries

or at least are the visible political
leaders of these countries that are all

the same team.

And Germany and Japan and several other
smaller

countries that join them are arrayed
against Russia and the United Kingdom.

And the British wanted the Americans to
enter the war.

Roosevelt wanted us to enter the war.

But wasn't Roosevelt's one of his
campaign promises at that time not to

the European war?

Right, right.

Just the same as Wilson.

Before World War I, his campaign was he
would keep us out of the war.

And then very shortly after he became
president, he declared war on Germany.

And it was such a trauma to my
grandfather, because he had voted for

that he never voted Democrat again in
his life. He had such a strong reaction.

He had a knee -jerk reaction. He always
voted Republican after that. But, yeah,

that was a campaign promise. But, see,
these people, they say whatever it takes

to be popular.

And then they do whatever they want.

We don't mean anything to them.

And so in going back and researching, I
came across a book that

was written which described aircraft
carrier warfare in the Pacific in a

war between Japan and the United States
before there was ever an aircraft

carrier built.

And this book describes basically World
War II.

So this is rather amazing that someone
was already thinking this stuff out.

And then you'll see that the, when one
studies it out, that the American

military brought the Japanese Navy over
to Pearl Harbor and specifically showed

them item by item how the Pearl Harbor
could be attacked.

And then on the basis of that...

basis of those tours, the Japanese went
back, made up their battle plans.

American intelligence and British
intelligence knew of the battle plans.

watched the Japanese fleet practice for
their

attack on Pearl Harbor. And then
Roosevelt, to make sure that there was a

losses.

And the day before they attacked, he had
all of our planes put on the

airfields in circles with their noses
pointed towards the center of the circle

so that it would be very hard for them
to take off when the Japanese attacked.

There was a lot of things like this that
were done to make sure that there was a

lot of Americans that died so that they
could get the United States into the

war.

You know, I could talk for hours about
how they created this war and then how

they kept it going.

The Illuminati, well, shortly after
Pearl Harbor, President Roosevelt,

and I showed the documentation in my
talk here in Austin

from the federal codes.

He drew up an executive decree which
allowed the Secretary of the Treasury,

Morgenthau, to exempt whoever he wanted
so that they could trade with the enemy.

So these Illuminati families, like the
Rockefellers, who controlled Standard

Oil, and Onassis, were given the freedom
to trade with the Germans

so that they could keep the Germans
supplied with essential...

Essentials like diamonds for... There's
a

lot of industrial uses for diamonds,
including they were needed for the

gyroscopes and the gyroscopes for the V
-2 rockets and everything.

They supplied Germany with oil, designs
for military equipment,

and a lot of other things.

that had the Illuminati not been given
that special privilege of continuing to

trade with Germany during the war, the
war would have come to an end easily by

1942.

So basically, we had an embargo on
Germany if we wanted to, but we just

closed the embargo.

Or we just never kept the supplies from
coming into the country.

Well, if you were one of these
Illuminati bloodlines, One of these

powerful men, kingpins is the word I use
within these Illuminati bloodlines. You

had the privileged status of being above
the war.

Above the war.

The rest of us, it was a real war.

And actually, Fritz, I think I can
remember from your book, from the

chapter, his fleet of ships almost went
unscathed. Is that correct?

Totally unscathed. They were never
attacked.

How many ships did he have?

It was...

It was between 200 and 300 ships,
merchant ships.

And he was from the Greek fleet,
correct?

Yeah, his ships flew the Greek flag.

Essentially, every other Greek ship that
was floating when the war started was

sunk. But his ships went in all of the
theaters of the war, the Mediterranean,

the North Sea.

They were never attacked by either side.
It took collaboration at the highest

levels for him to travel around in a
world war without anybody bothering him

while he made millions, perhaps billions
of dollars off of the whole thing. This

is incredibly fascinating.

I tell you what, Fritz, we're almost
running out of time here, but before we

I would like you to briefly touch on, I
know you mentioned it earlier, how the

Bush family has been coming into
prominence here of late.

Could you give us maybe a little bit
more of a background behind that family?

Some of our listeners out there may be
familiar with the Order of the Skull and

Bones, which is a chapter of the
Illuminati, and that they have rituals

satanic undertones.

One of the things that they do is lay in
a pile of manure.

when they're being initiated and say all
of their sexual exploits.

I know.

Satan causes his minions to do degrading
things that they think for some reason

because their minds get warped that this
is something great.

The Bush family is related. It's one of
those families that's related back to

British royalty.

And Bush was head of the CIA.

And I think it's significant to point
out, if our listeners haven't caught it

already, they may have already noticed
this themselves, but you had the

head of the KGB. You know, the KGB has
been...

uh running uh russia and the ussr and
over here we had

the head of the cia george bush who
becomes president and now his son

is is running it should make people
realize that

in at least that the intelligence
agencies have co -opted these countries.

But it's deeper than that, because the
intelligence agencies are being used as

front for these powerful families.

And there's literature out there that
talks about how the intelligence

have been prostituted to these
powerful...

these powerful families. In fact, KGB
intelligence, a large share of their

intelligence, is simply being used to
spy on Western industry and companies so

that they can take all these trade
secrets back for Russian capitalists or

Russian gangsters, I should say.

Wow, truly incredible.

Also, Fritz, I remember this also from
your talks over the weekend.

I don't want people to think that you're
like the only person out there talking

about it. And not just today, but I mean
throughout history. I remember you

mentioned how Senator McCarthy, most
people think out there that McCarthy was

just afraid of communists. But from your
research, Fitz, do you really think

that was the case?

No, it wasn't the case. I mean, I was
like everybody else. I only knew what

been told until I started reading.

uh speeches and talks and things that he
had written and i was blown away i

realized the man knew exactly that there
were these powerful families that there

was a world order and he was going after
these powerful families that's why he

went after the bundys and of course uh
the illuminati kingpins and in our

government thorwarted um an
investigation into bundy um yeah he

He really understood.

And so, because he was after these
powerful people, these movers and

they have used him as a verbal punching
bag.

I've watched, I don't know how many
people denigrate his name,

even in the last few years. I mean, you
think the guy has been dead for a long

time, they'd forget him. But Bill
Clinton has...

used them as a punching bag, and then
George Bush.

The Illuminati almost use him as an
example.

Like, if you come after us, this is
what's going to happen to you. Isn't

correct? Yes, yes.

That's totally horrible.

Well, I know we've just got a few
minutes left now, for sure, but before

I wanted to ask you, Fritz,

How can we, as normal everyday people,
recognize perhaps the policies or the

agendas which are pushed on us through
the Illuminati front organizations?

Oh boy, that's a good question, but it's
also a big question.

Well, you will see that there are
certain things that are politically

And you will also notice that...

The world is going towards central
control.

It's going towards globalization where
we're having... The United Nations

was formed out of the League of Nations
and there's a continual push to have one

political, one world government.

Now, isn't that just a natural evolution
of perhaps human society?

I mean, as the world seems to be getting
smaller and smaller through

technology...

Most people would say that would just be
a natural evolution of our whole

government system.

Well, it's definitely being pushed.

And whether one wants to believe that
the natural outgrowth of improved

communication and transportation, that's
up to the individual, but it is

definitely being pushed.

It's taking a lot of money and a lot of
effort to make it happen.

And the push behind it are these global
elite families that are controlling

things from behind the scenes. So not
only do we have political globalization,

but we have economic globalization and
we have religious globalization.

So when you see any kind of an agenda
that contributes to this...

One World Order, or as Ed Bush has
called it, New World Order,

or Hitler, who was also of these
bloodlines, also referred to New World

That seems to be a popular term with
them. Right. And I noticed earlier, when

you had mentioned it, you just said
World Order, that you didn't put the new

there. Why is that?

Because it's not new at all.

In fact, they keep using the same
formulas.

The things that controlled people back
in ancient Rome, you know, where they

bread and circus, they're using the same
formulas that they used in antiquity on

us today. And bread and circus simply
means that if you give the common person

entertainment and...

plenty of food, like the junk food we
get, they'll be happy. And most people,

long as they have their beer and their
football game, are happy.

Unfortunately, that is true.

Well, I tell you what, Fritz, I really
appreciate you coming down here, taking

time out of your busy schedule to come
give us an interview, and I look forward

to having more talks with you in the
future.

Thank you. It was great being with you.

and you get them are prepared for the
world order they've been preparing

for many years and it's almost here it's
almost here

what

is at stake is more than one small
country it is a big

idea a new world

Order,

order, order.