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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:30,263 --> 00:00:34,131 Ladies and gentlemen, we are gathered here today 2 00:00:35,435 --> 00:00:40,395 to berieve the loss of something dear to us. 3 00:00:41,708 --> 00:00:47,146 We are here today to say goodbye to a special friend, 4 00:00:47,847 --> 00:00:50,407 to say goodbye to an idea. 5 00:00:51,451 --> 00:00:55,012 Some might say that to be here gathered today 6 00:00:55,088 --> 00:00:59,821 to mourn the loss of a car would be going too far. 7 00:01:18,211 --> 00:01:24,673 In 1996, electric cars began to appear on roads all over California. 8 00:01:25,718 --> 00:01:27,845 They were quiet and fast, 9 00:01:27,921 --> 00:01:31,880 produced no exhaust and ran without gasoline. 10 00:01:32,358 --> 00:01:37,318 Ten years later, these futuristic cars were almost entirely gone. 11 00:01:39,799 --> 00:01:41,130 What happened? 12 00:01:41,201 --> 00:01:45,399 Why should we be haunted by the ghost of the electric car? 13 00:01:48,875 --> 00:01:52,367 This wasn't the first time the electric car was killed. 14 00:01:52,612 --> 00:01:56,275 One hundred years ago, there were more electrics on the road 15 00:01:56,349 --> 00:01:58,476 than there were gas cars. 16 00:01:58,918 --> 00:02:02,319 For many people electric cars were the car of choice. 17 00:02:02,922 --> 00:02:06,790 They were quiet an smooth, and could be charged at home. 18 00:02:08,061 --> 00:02:12,464 Gas cars by comparison required cranking and produced exhaust. 19 00:02:14,901 --> 00:02:18,268 I'm so old I remember electric cars, 20 00:02:19,405 --> 00:02:20,770 when they were around in the beginning. 21 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,435 I would've been about six years old on the way to the symphony 22 00:02:24,511 --> 00:02:27,344 in that darling little electric car. 23 00:02:27,814 --> 00:02:32,308 They were very quiet, and it had beveled glass windows. 24 00:02:32,585 --> 00:02:36,578 It was almost like sitting inside a huge lamp. 25 00:02:38,458 --> 00:02:39,720 What happened? 26 00:02:39,792 --> 00:02:43,853 Why did the gas car win over the electric car? 27 00:02:44,364 --> 00:02:47,231 As the 20th century gathered speed, 28 00:02:47,300 --> 00:02:49,734 the electric car lost momentum. 29 00:02:49,936 --> 00:02:53,565 Automatic starters, cheaper oil and mass production 30 00:02:53,640 --> 00:02:56,268 gave the edge to the gasoline car. 31 00:02:57,110 --> 00:03:01,376 By 1920, the internal combustion engine had won the race 32 00:03:01,447 --> 00:03:02,937 for control of the roads. 33 00:03:03,383 --> 00:03:06,580 And the modern automobile age was born. 34 00:03:15,595 --> 00:03:19,326 Of the hundreds of millions of cars built in the 20th century, 35 00:03:19,399 --> 00:03:21,299 almost none were electric. 36 00:03:22,602 --> 00:03:25,628 They were sleek. They were fast. 37 00:03:25,705 --> 00:03:28,799 And they gave Americans the open road. 38 00:03:30,176 --> 00:03:34,704 But as time went on, their number one flaw became apparent. 39 00:03:37,517 --> 00:03:38,916 Smog. 40 00:03:49,429 --> 00:03:52,193 California has the worst air quality in the nation. 41 00:03:52,265 --> 00:03:55,666 And it impacts some of our largest population centers. 42 00:03:56,869 --> 00:03:59,235 In my district, we have what is called the "black cloud of death" 43 00:03:59,305 --> 00:04:03,799 that hangs over the port areas and the areas surrounding the ports. 44 00:04:03,943 --> 00:04:08,039 We are seeing some tremendously debilitating effects: 45 00:04:08,248 --> 00:04:13,413 asthma rates, cancer rates, lung development in children, 46 00:04:14,020 --> 00:04:16,420 children not being allowed to play outside. 47 00:04:16,489 --> 00:04:19,356 In 1989, a study found 48 00:04:19,425 --> 00:04:24,124 that one out of four 15 to 25 year-olds in Los Angeles county 49 00:04:24,197 --> 00:04:28,531 had severe lung lesions and chronic respiratory disease. 50 00:04:28,801 --> 00:04:33,329 In 1990, there were 41 stage one smog alerts. 51 00:04:35,074 --> 00:04:37,406 No matter what kind of car we drive, 52 00:04:37,477 --> 00:04:39,536 every gallon of gas we burn, 53 00:04:39,612 --> 00:04:43,480 adds 19 pounds of carbon dioxide to the air. 54 00:04:44,050 --> 00:04:47,850 The more gas we burn, the more CO2 we create. 55 00:04:48,187 --> 00:04:52,146 If you don't do something with that CO2, if you don't sequester it 56 00:04:53,326 --> 00:04:54,918 it's going up into the atmosphere 57 00:04:54,994 --> 00:04:56,859 and CO2 is a global warming gas. 58 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:05,227 I believe the problems of global warming will be far greater 59 00:05:05,305 --> 00:05:06,667 than the problems of social security 60 00:05:07,740 --> 00:05:09,401 or even the problems of war on terrorism. 61 00:05:10,443 --> 00:05:13,879 We've got the equivalent of a nuclear time bomb 62 00:05:13,946 --> 00:05:16,642 on our hand, with global warming. 63 00:05:16,816 --> 00:05:19,546 If lung disease from air pollution is unimportant, 64 00:05:20,587 --> 00:05:23,918 if all those things don't count, we're going to be in bad trouble. 65 00:05:24,023 --> 00:05:25,752 And there's a public health crisis. 66 00:05:25,825 --> 00:05:28,385 But we have to have incentives and we have to have alternatives. 67 00:05:29,796 --> 00:05:33,163 Car companies experimented with alternatives over the years, 68 00:05:33,232 --> 00:05:36,633 but none of them ever seem to make it out of the proving grounds. 69 00:05:37,503 --> 00:05:42,668 I remember, I was the chairman of the board of the Tennessee Valley Authority, 70 00:05:42,742 --> 00:05:47,008 and we were promoting the electric car back in the late 70's. 71 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,607 I had even planned a race 72 00:05:50,683 --> 00:05:53,709 from Gatlinburg, Tennessee to Nashville 73 00:05:53,786 --> 00:05:56,550 between Paul Newman and Robert Redford. 74 00:05:56,622 --> 00:06:01,525 And I had it all lined up, and then I realised that we'd get a lot of national publicity, 75 00:06:01,594 --> 00:06:04,222 but there were no cars in the showrooms. 76 00:06:05,531 --> 00:06:10,662 It would take a different kind of race to make the electric car the car of the future. 77 00:06:11,337 --> 00:06:15,797 The Sunraycer was a solar-powered vehicle that was developed here, at AeroVironment, 78 00:06:16,676 --> 00:06:18,439 for the purpose of winning a race. 79 00:06:19,579 --> 00:06:23,913 In 1987, GM won the World Solar Challenge race in Australia 80 00:06:24,050 --> 00:06:28,612 with a one-of-a-kind solar-powered electric vehicle, the Sunraycer. 81 00:06:28,688 --> 00:06:33,091 Emboldened by their success, GM C.E.O. Roger Smith 82 00:06:33,159 --> 00:06:38,461 challenged the same design team to build a prototype for a practical electric car. 83 00:06:38,531 --> 00:06:41,557 If we were to go full speed ahead with electric cars 84 00:06:41,634 --> 00:06:45,764 the electronics had to be good enough in order to warrant that concept, 85 00:06:46,038 --> 00:06:48,302 and that's where the work of Alan Cocconi came in. 86 00:06:49,442 --> 00:06:53,003 You've built the prototype for this in your garage? 87 00:06:53,079 --> 00:06:55,070 Yes. Well, my garage isn't quite the average garage, 88 00:06:55,148 --> 00:06:58,982 it's a pretty good machine shop and electronics lab. But yes, I've built it there. 89 00:06:59,051 --> 00:07:02,919 It's like a three-channel stereo amplifier. It provides the right size sinus waves 90 00:07:02,989 --> 00:07:06,823 at right frequency to drive the motor for all the different driving conditions. 91 00:07:07,326 --> 00:07:09,920 So it's a 100 000 watt stereo amplifier. 92 00:07:10,196 --> 00:07:14,132 Alan's breakthrough power system helped create an electric car 93 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,226 unlike any that had ever been driven before. 94 00:07:21,274 --> 00:07:25,233 They've kept this car also a secret, much better than any Detroit secret 95 00:07:26,413 --> 00:07:28,212 because it was all developed out here in California. 96 00:07:28,281 --> 00:07:30,749 So it truly was a surprise when it was introduced 97 00:07:30,817 --> 00:07:32,546 to Los Angeles auto show. 98 00:07:33,085 --> 00:07:35,781 This is going to represent a great step forward for people in terms of 99 00:07:36,423 --> 00:07:39,585 commuting to work, from work 100 00:07:39,659 --> 00:07:42,594 if you don't have to go more than 120 miles a day. 101 00:07:42,762 --> 00:07:44,229 Other than the jokes that we made 102 00:07:44,965 --> 00:07:47,626 about the wisdom of calling a vehicle the Impact 103 00:07:48,968 --> 00:07:53,871 it was very impressive, it was very high-tech and it had an interesting premise 104 00:07:53,973 --> 00:07:58,000 that we've got this Corvette electric-type car, 105 00:07:58,077 --> 00:08:02,446 two-seater, slick styling, and that we can make a business out of it. 106 00:08:02,515 --> 00:08:03,573 It was interesting. 107 00:08:04,717 --> 00:08:07,151 Program manager called me and said: 108 00:08:07,220 --> 00:08:09,347 "Would you like to be on the electric vehicle program?" 109 00:08:10,523 --> 00:08:12,013 "That's fine. What do you want me to do?" 110 00:08:12,091 --> 00:08:16,187 And he said: "Develop demand for electric vehicles worldwide." 111 00:08:16,796 --> 00:08:18,320 I said: "Do you have any instructions?" 112 00:08:18,397 --> 00:08:21,332 He took a blank piece of paper, shoved it in front of me and said: 113 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:25,598 "No instructions. You go figure it out." At that point I joined the program. 114 00:08:26,072 --> 00:08:30,406 It got a lot of interest flowing in the industry, 115 00:08:30,510 --> 00:08:32,603 but it did something else. 116 00:08:32,678 --> 00:08:36,876 It caught the attention of the California Air Resources Board. 117 00:08:37,483 --> 00:08:39,781 California's Air Resources Board, 118 00:08:40,453 --> 00:08:41,942 or CARB as it was known, 119 00:08:42,021 --> 00:08:46,458 saw the electric car as an opportunity to solve another problem. 120 00:08:46,526 --> 00:08:49,290 Since GM had already announced 121 00:08:49,362 --> 00:08:52,820 that they were going to produce an electric vehicle 122 00:08:52,899 --> 00:08:55,868 before we even adopted the mandate, 123 00:08:56,269 --> 00:09:00,899 the electric vehicle technology became the technology 124 00:09:00,973 --> 00:09:02,873 of greatest promise. 125 00:09:02,942 --> 00:09:06,241 Knowing a modern electric car was now possible, 126 00:09:06,312 --> 00:09:10,339 California regulators took a bold and unprecedented step. 127 00:09:10,416 --> 00:09:13,681 They passed the Zero Emissions Vehicle mandate. 128 00:09:13,819 --> 00:09:15,343 The mandate was simple. 129 00:09:15,421 --> 00:09:19,721 If automakers wanted to continue to sell cars in California, 130 00:09:19,959 --> 00:09:23,918 some of those cars would have to be vehicles with no exhaust. 131 00:09:23,996 --> 00:09:25,463 They've decided to ramp it up. 132 00:09:25,531 --> 00:09:29,160 They said 2% in 1998, 5% in 2001 133 00:09:29,235 --> 00:09:31,135 and 10% in 2003. 134 00:09:31,203 --> 00:09:34,434 For the car companies there were only two options; 135 00:09:34,507 --> 00:09:36,873 Comply with the law or fight it. 136 00:09:37,577 --> 00:09:40,068 In the end, they would do both. 137 00:09:57,129 --> 00:10:01,190 The electric car is here. 138 00:10:02,101 --> 00:10:04,501 The EV1 from General Motors. 139 00:10:04,604 --> 00:10:07,732 The Impact prototype became the EV1, 140 00:10:07,807 --> 00:10:10,503 the first modern electric production car 141 00:10:10,576 --> 00:10:14,637 from a major US car company in nearly a century. 142 00:10:14,780 --> 00:10:19,911 GM chose its Saturn division to market it in California and Arizona. 143 00:10:20,453 --> 00:10:23,047 I'd bought my first Saturn at 17, and they'd said; 144 00:10:23,122 --> 00:10:24,453 "Do you want to come work here?" 145 00:10:24,725 --> 00:10:27,058 I thought it would be a good college job, 146 00:10:27,126 --> 00:10:28,991 I'll put myself through college this way. 147 00:10:29,128 --> 00:10:32,154 It turned out I loved the cars more than what I was studying, 148 00:10:32,231 --> 00:10:36,133 and three years later they announced the EV1 program and I jumped on it. 149 00:10:37,103 --> 00:10:41,437 There were the 13 of us, most of whom were mid-twenties, unattached, 150 00:10:41,507 --> 00:10:45,466 single, no kids - willing to do anything for a little money. 151 00:10:47,413 --> 00:10:50,041 We all handled a particular geographic region. 152 00:10:50,116 --> 00:10:51,743 Mine started as Los Angeles, 153 00:10:51,851 --> 00:10:56,413 and I've worked with everybody: from engineers and students to celebrities. 154 00:10:56,489 --> 00:11:00,118 I say, I say, I say Alexandra ! 155 00:11:00,192 --> 00:11:01,682 I have a picture of myself... 156 00:11:02,895 --> 00:11:04,522 just hearing the Saturn song... Just being so happy! 157 00:11:04,597 --> 00:11:08,966 I had one of those early EV1's, and I used it here in the capital. 158 00:11:09,335 --> 00:11:10,632 I love the car. 159 00:11:11,504 --> 00:11:14,530 It's everything Americans want in a car. 160 00:11:15,675 --> 00:11:19,111 They're cool, fast, sexy. I got in the car and felt like... 161 00:11:23,115 --> 00:11:27,745 It was fairly reasonably priced. It was between 250 $ and 500 $ a month. 162 00:11:28,087 --> 00:11:31,250 I haven't tried accelerating too much, because there is too many cops around. 163 00:11:31,323 --> 00:11:33,791 I'm afraid I'll get a ticket, I'll be too excited. 164 00:11:34,627 --> 00:11:36,185 Believe it or not, that sucker goes. 165 00:11:36,262 --> 00:11:39,390 It will take you down the Pacific Coast Highway so fast you could get a ticket. 166 00:11:44,804 --> 00:11:46,999 I did kind of feel like Batman... 167 00:11:48,474 --> 00:11:50,874 And the way it takes off out of the cave. 168 00:11:51,510 --> 00:11:54,070 You know, I have this gate that opens... 169 00:11:55,047 --> 00:11:57,811 You'd get inside, and the console was really near you, 170 00:11:57,883 --> 00:12:00,351 and the lighting is beautiful. 171 00:12:01,020 --> 00:12:02,214 It was quiet. 172 00:12:08,294 --> 00:12:11,923 The car was so fast it looked like it would outrun its own shadow. 173 00:12:13,299 --> 00:12:15,096 It's an awesome car to drive. 174 00:12:17,670 --> 00:12:20,830 It was the crust of a wave that we'd thought was coming in. 175 00:12:21,907 --> 00:12:24,876 It was going to change the way everybody travels. 176 00:12:25,044 --> 00:12:30,004 Other car companies began to comply, often with conversions of gas cars 177 00:12:30,249 --> 00:12:33,707 but with many of the same advantages of the EV1. 178 00:12:39,058 --> 00:12:43,893 I'm not mechanical at all but I love dealing wih my electric car, because it's so easy. 179 00:12:43,963 --> 00:12:48,798 I plug it in at night and when I need to drive it I unplug 180 00:12:49,702 --> 00:12:50,896 and drive it away. 181 00:12:50,970 --> 00:12:52,767 They're for people who love the environment. 182 00:12:52,838 --> 00:12:54,829 I said they're for people who love cars. 183 00:12:54,907 --> 00:12:56,465 They're for people who have to go somewhere. 184 00:12:56,575 --> 00:12:57,633 This is amazing. 185 00:12:57,710 --> 00:13:00,270 What you do with this electric car is, you put the key in, 186 00:13:00,513 --> 00:13:02,242 - and you turn it. - Wow. 187 00:13:02,381 --> 00:13:05,350 And there's this thing on the floor called the pedal. 188 00:13:05,417 --> 00:13:08,511 The exciting thing about this is that the cost of operating a car 189 00:13:08,587 --> 00:13:12,182 is the same as if you're driving a typical gasoline car. 190 00:13:12,358 --> 00:13:14,986 But the gasoline only costs 60 cents a gallon. 191 00:13:15,060 --> 00:13:19,190 Going to the gas station is a hassle, believe it or not. Plugging a car in is not. 192 00:13:19,331 --> 00:13:23,995 The battery, that you charge at home, gets between 70 and 80 miles per charge, 193 00:13:24,069 --> 00:13:27,800 which for me is more than all the driving that I need to do in the course of a day. 194 00:13:28,908 --> 00:13:31,604 People started seeing the cars on the road 195 00:13:31,677 --> 00:13:33,975 and getting a better understanding of what they could do. 196 00:13:34,046 --> 00:13:35,775 Friends and neighbors and relatives are saying; 197 00:13:35,848 --> 00:13:38,874 "Hey, that's a neat idea. I should get one of those." 198 00:13:38,984 --> 00:13:41,851 And we started seeing the momentum building for this, 199 00:13:41,921 --> 00:13:45,322 and the waiting lists being created for these cars. 200 00:13:46,059 --> 00:13:47,821 - Cut two. - Cut two. 201 00:13:47,893 --> 00:13:52,796 I go online to look for other Toyota RAV4's and I see Toyota RAV4 EV. 202 00:13:53,365 --> 00:13:57,597 And wow! My whole world opened up. 203 00:13:57,670 --> 00:13:59,069 It's this electric vehicle. 204 00:13:59,471 --> 00:14:02,440 It goes 100 miles to a charge, blablabla... 205 00:14:02,508 --> 00:14:06,604 I was like "I didn't know this existed." 206 00:14:06,745 --> 00:14:09,771 "How come I don't know about this? Have you seen this on tv?" 207 00:14:10,282 --> 00:14:12,341 When I first tried to buy the Honda EV Plus, 208 00:14:12,885 --> 00:14:16,215 I drove in it and said: "Hey, this is a great car." 209 00:14:17,122 --> 00:14:20,091 The person who was trying to sell it to us was dumbfounded. 210 00:14:20,159 --> 00:14:23,094 He didn't know what to do. He'd never leased one before. 211 00:14:23,162 --> 00:14:26,563 Didn't know how to do it, and it took me six weeks of negotiations 212 00:14:26,632 --> 00:14:28,998 before I was able to get the car from their hands. 213 00:14:29,735 --> 00:14:33,229 There's nothing like driving a car where you realise, as you sit in the traffic 214 00:14:33,305 --> 00:14:35,637 there's no pollution coming out of your tailpipe. 215 00:14:35,708 --> 00:14:38,074 It's just the battery sound. 216 00:14:38,611 --> 00:14:41,808 By driving an electric car, what are you sparing us from? 217 00:14:41,881 --> 00:14:43,644 I'm saving America Dave, that's what I'm doing. 218 00:14:43,716 --> 00:14:47,447 I am saving America by driving an electric car. 219 00:14:48,287 --> 00:14:52,383 Not everyone was sure that electric cars would save Ameica. 220 00:14:52,625 --> 00:14:57,585 Even as GM rolled out its first batch of EV1's, there were skeptics. 221 00:14:57,796 --> 00:15:01,823 Consumer acceptance and understanding has been a key issue in all of this. 222 00:15:02,201 --> 00:15:07,104 And what we discovered is that people are very cautious about the electric car. 223 00:15:07,172 --> 00:15:09,766 I would consider it, but I haven't done enough research, 224 00:15:09,842 --> 00:15:14,779 I don't know if they're going to be strong, big and dependable. 225 00:15:14,847 --> 00:15:16,838 I have to know where do I have to go to recharge it, 226 00:15:16,916 --> 00:15:19,146 what do I have to do for the battery... 227 00:15:19,218 --> 00:15:24,679 People don't want a mini, tiny car that has 15 inch wheels. 228 00:15:25,358 --> 00:15:28,827 How's he gonna fix that up and go around town and parade it? 229 00:15:28,894 --> 00:15:33,354 While some consumers expressed skepticism about electric cars, 230 00:15:33,432 --> 00:15:36,094 California was pressured to drop the mandate. 231 00:15:36,168 --> 00:15:40,161 A group called "Californians against utility company abuse" 232 00:15:40,239 --> 00:15:43,868 fought a small utility surcharge to build charging stations. 233 00:15:43,943 --> 00:15:46,639 They would go to local city council meetings and say: 234 00:15:46,712 --> 00:15:49,340 "You don't want to put an electric vehicle charging station there. 235 00:15:49,415 --> 00:15:51,542 "That's a waste of taxpayer money." 236 00:15:51,917 --> 00:15:53,851 They had this list of supporters. 237 00:15:53,919 --> 00:15:56,513 Companies like Trader Joe's, and others for which you'd say 238 00:15:56,588 --> 00:15:58,419 "Why would they support something like this?" 239 00:15:58,557 --> 00:16:00,889 So the EV drivers got together and started writing letters 240 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,326 to some of these people that were listed on their web site. 241 00:16:03,395 --> 00:16:06,887 as being supporters, and said "Do you realise what you're supporting here?" 242 00:16:06,966 --> 00:16:09,764 And they got all these names removed from the list. 243 00:16:09,902 --> 00:16:12,598 Further investigation revealed that these groups 244 00:16:12,671 --> 00:16:15,765 were consumer organizations in name only 245 00:16:15,908 --> 00:16:19,344 funded almost exclusively by the oil industry. 246 00:16:22,314 --> 00:16:26,148 Oil companies also paid for editorials in national publications. 247 00:16:27,687 --> 00:16:31,720 They even argued that the environmental benefits of EV's were dubious. 248 00:16:32,791 --> 00:16:37,149 With electric vehicles we're going to have this shift of energy away from oil. 249 00:16:37,463 --> 00:16:39,055 And if we shift it to coal, 250 00:16:39,131 --> 00:16:42,123 there are some environmental problems that are just very disconcerting. 251 00:16:44,336 --> 00:16:47,032 Right now, in the United States, we're 55 percent coal. 252 00:16:47,106 --> 00:16:49,597 If you run the numbers with standard coal power plants, 253 00:16:50,276 --> 00:16:52,437 you don't end up with a better environmental performance, 254 00:16:52,511 --> 00:16:53,569 but with a longer tailpipe. 255 00:16:53,645 --> 00:16:55,840 There have been numerous studies conducted 256 00:16:55,914 --> 00:16:58,075 by the California Energy Commission, 257 00:16:58,150 --> 00:17:02,712 that clearly show that electric drive is substantially more efficient 258 00:17:02,788 --> 00:17:07,782 and less polluting, even if you get your electricity from coal plants. 259 00:17:08,027 --> 00:17:11,895 But the arguments against electrics didn't stop there. 260 00:17:12,464 --> 00:17:14,864 They even made the ridiculous argument 261 00:17:14,933 --> 00:17:17,993 that there was an environmental justice issue involved, 262 00:17:18,070 --> 00:17:22,404 because they said only rich people could buy electric cars. 263 00:17:22,674 --> 00:17:27,702 Well, the air doesn't know a boundary between Brentwood and south L.A. 264 00:17:27,813 --> 00:17:31,374 Car companies began to argue that the mandate was too strict. 265 00:17:32,484 --> 00:17:34,042 We had to help with the regulations. 266 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,451 The regulatory people knew nothing about this stuff, 267 00:17:36,522 --> 00:17:43,121 and we began to get the eerie feeling that we were going over a cliff. 268 00:17:44,396 --> 00:17:46,796 It wasn't going to be possible. 269 00:17:46,965 --> 00:17:50,492 California was faced with the prospect of "What do you do 270 00:17:50,702 --> 00:17:53,034 "...if the car companies don't comply?" 271 00:17:53,472 --> 00:17:56,964 So rather than do brinksmanship 272 00:17:57,042 --> 00:18:00,637 about what would happen if they didn't comply and stick with it, 273 00:18:00,712 --> 00:18:02,839 they started negotiating, 274 00:18:03,615 --> 00:18:07,608 a certain flexibility in the mandate. 275 00:18:08,487 --> 00:18:11,285 California compromised with the automakers 276 00:18:11,356 --> 00:18:13,551 adopting a memorandum of agreement. 277 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:19,128 One of the agreements with the state was that the automakers would build 278 00:18:19,198 --> 00:18:22,224 and market electric vehicles in accordance with demand. 279 00:18:22,301 --> 00:18:24,292 If they didn't want to build more of them, 280 00:18:24,369 --> 00:18:28,533 the car companies would have to make the case that there was no demand. 281 00:18:28,807 --> 00:18:30,297 The person will go unnamed, 282 00:18:30,375 --> 00:18:35,369 but we were having a lunch in the executive dining room at the GM tech center one day. 283 00:18:35,447 --> 00:18:38,416 Just the two of us, and he leans over to me and says: 284 00:18:38,484 --> 00:18:41,749 "Dabels, you know something? You are my worst enemy." 285 00:18:42,354 --> 00:18:44,515 I asked why, and he said: 286 00:18:44,590 --> 00:18:49,186 "I'm out there lobbying to show that there's no demand for electric vehicles, 287 00:18:49,261 --> 00:18:51,354 "and you're out there proving me wrong." 288 00:18:51,830 --> 00:18:55,732 We would sit down with Hal Riney or with executives from GM and discuss 289 00:18:55,801 --> 00:18:58,497 how fast, how far, how much. These were the three questions we were getting. 290 00:18:58,570 --> 00:19:01,232 "Please put it in the advertising. It's not rocket science." 291 00:19:01,306 --> 00:19:03,501 And they would go back and do the exact opposite. 292 00:19:03,775 --> 00:19:06,642 We never saw a tv ad 293 00:19:06,712 --> 00:19:09,704 with an electric car scampering up the side of a hill 294 00:19:09,781 --> 00:19:12,579 with a good looking man or woman draped around it. 295 00:19:12,651 --> 00:19:14,585 That's the way they sell cars. 296 00:19:22,928 --> 00:19:25,158 How does it go without gas and air? 297 00:19:26,665 --> 00:19:30,226 How does it go without sparks and explosions? 298 00:19:31,069 --> 00:19:34,527 How does it go without gears or transmissions? 299 00:19:35,674 --> 00:19:38,302 How does it go, you ask yourself? 300 00:19:40,946 --> 00:19:43,540 And then, you will ask; 301 00:19:44,116 --> 00:19:47,051 How did we go so long without it? 302 00:19:47,719 --> 00:19:49,311 The electric car. 303 00:19:49,922 --> 00:19:51,389 It isn't coming, 304 00:19:52,991 --> 00:19:54,424 it's here. 305 00:19:59,765 --> 00:20:02,757 What was the objective of these advertisements? 306 00:20:03,001 --> 00:20:06,528 Was it to entice consumers or to scare them away? 307 00:20:07,206 --> 00:20:10,903 Our goal at GM was to make the full functioning, battery electric vehicle 308 00:20:10,976 --> 00:20:14,070 a commercially viable business opportunity for General Motors. 309 00:20:14,146 --> 00:20:19,174 GM spokesman, Dave Barthmuss, has worked for GM for nearly ten years. 310 00:20:19,418 --> 00:20:23,752 We spent in excess of one billion dollars to drive this market. 311 00:20:23,822 --> 00:20:26,985 That means award-winning advertising, developing the vehicle, 312 00:20:27,059 --> 00:20:29,960 developing the recharging infrastructure. 313 00:20:30,028 --> 00:20:33,987 In a four-year timeframe, from roughly 1996 to 2000, 314 00:20:34,066 --> 00:20:36,261 we were able to lease 800 EV1's. 315 00:20:36,368 --> 00:20:39,337 We started this waiting list in order to prove demand to GM, 316 00:20:39,404 --> 00:20:42,237 but no matter how many people we got on that list, 317 00:20:42,674 --> 00:20:46,110 that was never considered enough demand. Everything was anecdotal to GM. 318 00:20:46,245 --> 00:20:48,372 We have heard about these long waiting lists, 319 00:20:48,447 --> 00:20:51,416 and frankly, we did have a list of roughly 4000 people 320 00:20:51,483 --> 00:20:54,646 that raised their hands and said: "I would be interested in getting a new EV1 321 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,210 "and being an EV1 lessee." 322 00:20:56,288 --> 00:20:59,746 We contacted each of those folks and we riddled that list down. 323 00:20:59,825 --> 00:21:02,089 And when we got down to a point when we were able to have 324 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:03,957 somebody sign on the dotted line, 325 00:21:04,029 --> 00:21:07,055 that list from 4000 people shrunk to about 50. 326 00:21:08,367 --> 00:21:12,463 Only recently did they finally admit there actually was a waiting list 327 00:21:13,005 --> 00:21:14,867 and tried to explain it in the way of; 328 00:21:14,940 --> 00:21:19,206 "By the time we explained all the limitations of the car to them only 50 would sign up." 329 00:21:19,344 --> 00:21:21,437 If you sincerely want to market a product, 330 00:21:21,513 --> 00:21:24,914 you don't start out by describing the limitations of the product. 331 00:21:25,317 --> 00:21:28,684 Tom Everhart is president emeritus at Caltech. 332 00:21:28,987 --> 00:21:32,423 He served on GM's board of directors for 13 years. 333 00:21:32,791 --> 00:21:35,021 I do not think General Motors tried hard 334 00:21:36,428 --> 00:21:39,021 to get the electric cars out rapidly. 335 00:21:40,098 --> 00:21:43,795 Whether the C.E.O. of General Motors understood that, I don't know. 336 00:21:43,902 --> 00:21:47,030 We had to ask permission of who everyone to give a car to, 337 00:21:47,105 --> 00:21:51,405 and by the end we were low on cars, we had to write case statements. 338 00:21:51,810 --> 00:21:54,040 We tried to put the cars in hands of celebrities, 339 00:21:54,112 --> 00:21:58,071 because they were the only ones that stood a chance of getting the car. 340 00:21:58,150 --> 00:22:00,618 The 3rd grade science teacher didn't stand a chance. 341 00:22:01,353 --> 00:22:04,481 I had to write a resume for Mel Gibson, and what he'd done and accomplished, 342 00:22:04,556 --> 00:22:08,083 because the people I was talking to didn't believe that he warranted a car. 343 00:22:08,260 --> 00:22:10,490 I was wondering: "Why do I have to fill this out?" 344 00:22:10,562 --> 00:22:12,860 You had to tell them where your birthmarks were. 345 00:22:12,931 --> 00:22:15,024 I mean it was everything. 346 00:22:15,434 --> 00:22:18,733 "Have you recently had a proctoscope inserted into your..." 347 00:22:18,804 --> 00:22:20,499 "Well, no." 348 00:22:21,106 --> 00:22:24,974 You had to get really specific about a whole bunch of things. 349 00:22:25,310 --> 00:22:29,246 Consumers wanted it, but they regarded it as a limited vehicle 350 00:22:29,314 --> 00:22:32,147 and they expected to pay a limited price for it. 351 00:22:32,217 --> 00:22:36,051 And there's nothing irrational about the consumer that said that to us. 352 00:22:36,288 --> 00:22:38,449 That's a perfectly reasonable statement. 353 00:22:38,924 --> 00:22:42,382 "You're giving me a vehicle that does less, I wanna pay less." 354 00:22:43,462 --> 00:22:44,520 Okay. 355 00:22:45,263 --> 00:22:47,595 But unfortunately, I couldn't make it for less. 356 00:22:47,799 --> 00:22:50,666 They argue things like money and that they're too expensive to build, 357 00:22:50,736 --> 00:22:54,695 yet they're building four a day. They were very hand built cars, 358 00:22:54,773 --> 00:22:56,434 with specialized components. 359 00:22:56,541 --> 00:22:59,533 And had they mass-marketed them, they of course would have come down. 360 00:23:00,846 --> 00:23:03,974 As car companies made the case there was no demand 361 00:23:04,049 --> 00:23:07,746 electric vehicle advocates thought they had a sympathetic ear 362 00:23:07,819 --> 00:23:11,778 with the appointment of environmental scientist, doctor Alan Lloyd 363 00:23:11,857 --> 00:23:15,258 as chairman of the California Air Resources Board. 364 00:23:15,327 --> 00:23:18,524 First time I presided over that, 365 00:23:18,597 --> 00:23:22,499 I felt that the car companies weren't making significant effort, 366 00:23:22,567 --> 00:23:27,368 so i felt: "Flog them harder. Flog them often. They need to do better." 367 00:23:27,472 --> 00:23:31,636 For the regulation - we felt it needed to be changed drastically. 368 00:23:33,011 --> 00:23:36,469 And there was some movement that way, but it didn't go away. 369 00:23:36,548 --> 00:23:39,676 While the car companies fought the mandate in Sacramento, 370 00:23:39,751 --> 00:23:43,619 GM quietly closed its EV1 assembly line 371 00:23:43,688 --> 00:23:46,156 and began laying off its sales force. 372 00:23:46,224 --> 00:23:50,217 All of a sudden, we were not only taken off the project, but taken out of the company. 373 00:23:50,328 --> 00:23:52,421 They started with the ones with the most... 374 00:23:52,697 --> 00:23:54,927 the biggest waiting lists, and the most customers. 375 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,128 The primary areas were the ones that they dismantled first. 376 00:23:58,203 --> 00:24:00,433 And so, at the end of 2001, 377 00:24:00,505 --> 00:24:02,666 that was it in terms of my employment with General Motors. 378 00:24:02,741 --> 00:24:05,301 Studying general Motors practices over the years, 379 00:24:06,078 --> 00:24:08,275 and I don't speak for the engineers and scientists 380 00:24:08,346 --> 00:24:11,975 who would really have liked to have done a better job with motor vehicle technology, 381 00:24:12,050 --> 00:24:15,213 but the executives at the top, their motto seemed to have been: 382 00:24:15,287 --> 00:24:17,380 "Going backwards into the future." 383 00:24:17,456 --> 00:24:20,391 And that's what they've been doing for decades. 384 00:24:20,959 --> 00:24:25,396 As a veteran consumer advocate, Ralph Nader used grassroots campaigns 385 00:24:25,464 --> 00:24:28,160 to make cars safer and more fuel efficient. 386 00:24:28,433 --> 00:24:32,927 He's familiar with the tactics used by the car industry to resist change. 387 00:24:33,538 --> 00:24:36,974 There are all kinds of ways to take and bring politicians to their knees. 388 00:24:37,042 --> 00:24:39,806 Once the car companies get a long delay time, 389 00:24:39,878 --> 00:24:42,676 then they go to work, eroding, eroding. 390 00:24:42,747 --> 00:24:45,375 And than when the deadline is approaching they say they can't do it 391 00:24:45,450 --> 00:24:47,816 and there are going to be terrible consequences. 392 00:24:48,186 --> 00:24:50,848 Automakers took the fight to a new level. 393 00:24:51,256 --> 00:24:54,657 They sued California's Air Resources Board. 394 00:24:55,560 --> 00:25:01,465 GM led the lawsuit, soon joined by Chrysler and several auto dealerships. 395 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,862 As California withered under the pressure, 396 00:25:04,936 --> 00:25:07,166 the carmakers found a powerful new ally, 397 00:25:09,007 --> 00:25:10,634 the federal government. 398 00:25:11,776 --> 00:25:13,801 Shortly after joining the suit, 399 00:25:13,879 --> 00:25:16,712 the Bush administration made another announcement. 400 00:25:16,781 --> 00:25:20,273 Tonight, I'm proposing 1.2 billion dollars in research funding 401 00:25:20,853 --> 00:25:22,750 so that America can 402 00:25:22,821 --> 00:25:26,985 lead the world in developing clean, hydrogen-powered automobiles. 403 00:25:29,995 --> 00:25:33,260 The federal government joined the car and oil industries 404 00:25:33,331 --> 00:25:36,664 to embrace a new clean car of the future. 405 00:25:36,835 --> 00:25:39,861 With more than a billion federal dollars up for grabs, 406 00:25:40,305 --> 00:25:44,765 over the next few years, the campaign for hydrogen fuel cell vehicles 407 00:25:44,843 --> 00:25:46,970 began to sway California. 408 00:25:47,212 --> 00:25:50,272 Hello there and welcome to the California Fuel Cell Partnership 409 00:25:50,348 --> 00:25:54,944 where we're fuelling the future in a new and enviromentally friendly way. 410 00:25:55,353 --> 00:25:57,844 Automakers, energy and technology providers, 411 00:25:57,923 --> 00:26:01,882 along with government agencies are voluntarily working together 412 00:26:02,027 --> 00:26:05,326 to commercialize the fuel cell for cars and buses. 413 00:26:05,931 --> 00:26:07,455 Soon you may see some of these cars 414 00:26:07,532 --> 00:26:09,796 cruising through your very own neighborhood. 415 00:26:09,868 --> 00:26:12,735 We will not just dream about the hydrogen fuelling stations. 416 00:26:13,172 --> 00:26:16,566 We will not just dream about the hydrogen cars. We will build it. 417 00:26:16,641 --> 00:26:20,975 The hydrogen Hummer is not a production vehicle, it's a concept vehicle. 418 00:26:21,212 --> 00:26:24,670 It's a way for governor Schwarzenegger to have a property 419 00:26:24,749 --> 00:26:26,910 at various events that ge goes to when he unveils 420 00:26:26,985 --> 00:26:30,614 a new hydrogen refuelling station. At LAX for example. 421 00:26:31,089 --> 00:26:34,422 I am going to encourage the building of a hydrogen highway 422 00:26:34,492 --> 00:26:37,086 to take us to the environmental future. 423 00:26:37,228 --> 00:26:42,188 While hydrogen fuel cells offered an exciting alternative sometime in the future 424 00:26:43,368 --> 00:26:45,632 what would happen to the technology of today? 425 00:26:45,770 --> 00:26:48,295 What would happen to the electric car? 426 00:26:48,673 --> 00:26:53,770 It all came down to a decisive meeting at California's Air Resources Board. 427 00:26:54,045 --> 00:26:56,878 Citizens and industry alike 428 00:26:56,948 --> 00:27:00,611 testified as CARB prepared to vote on the fate of the electric car. 429 00:27:00,719 --> 00:27:03,745 I'd also like to thank all the other stakeholders, 430 00:27:03,822 --> 00:27:06,950 particularly also, the auto industry 431 00:27:07,025 --> 00:27:10,051 who is going to have a major impact here. 432 00:27:10,395 --> 00:27:13,922 I like the fact that hydrogen might be in a position 433 00:27:13,999 --> 00:27:17,935 to displace the petroleum products. 434 00:27:18,036 --> 00:27:21,233 I share your optimism on fuel cells, just not to the extent. 435 00:27:21,306 --> 00:27:25,743 I think it's a bait and switch strategy. I hope I'm wrong. 436 00:27:26,211 --> 00:27:31,410 I'm concerned that we've picked numbers that are based entirely on fuel cells. 437 00:27:32,584 --> 00:27:34,245 What if fuel cells don't work? 438 00:27:37,122 --> 00:27:40,114 It seems that most of the recent changes to the mandate 439 00:27:40,191 --> 00:27:42,386 have been designed to ease the burden on the automakers. 440 00:27:42,460 --> 00:27:45,020 You're part of the environmental protection agency, 441 00:27:45,096 --> 00:27:47,621 not the corporate profit protection agency. 442 00:27:48,133 --> 00:27:50,992 I think that we've been a contributor to this marketplace to... 443 00:27:51,069 --> 00:27:54,232 I agree. But remember there are many of you. 444 00:27:54,305 --> 00:27:57,365 We're not giving more time to the auto manufacturers. 445 00:27:58,143 --> 00:28:02,477 Lou Browning had the job to present the report, 446 00:28:02,547 --> 00:28:04,538 and he'd been promised ten minutes. 447 00:28:05,050 --> 00:28:06,779 - One of the things we've found is... - Dr Browning, 448 00:28:06,851 --> 00:28:09,547 I would appreciate if you could summarize this in three minutes. 449 00:28:09,621 --> 00:28:11,589 Okay, I thought I had ten, but... 450 00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:15,786 Alan Lloyd cut him off, whereas he had given the automakers 451 00:28:15,860 --> 00:28:18,158 unlimited time earlier in the day. 452 00:28:19,497 --> 00:28:22,989 The improvements we need in fuel cells are mainly to get the cost down. 453 00:28:24,135 --> 00:28:27,866 In addition, we have recently certified and introduced the Honda FCX fuel cell vehicle. 454 00:28:29,007 --> 00:28:32,875 Largely this work has been pushed forward through the California Fuel Cell Partnership 455 00:28:32,944 --> 00:28:35,742 which has been very valuable in pulling together the diverse interests. 456 00:28:35,980 --> 00:28:40,110 Any new information on batteries that didn't mesh 457 00:28:40,185 --> 00:28:45,122 with overall conclusions was just shut out very fast by Alan Lloyd. 458 00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:48,921 Let's get it clear. I'm not trying to show any bias or anything here. 459 00:28:49,194 --> 00:28:52,027 There were 80 people who came to speak for electric cars, 460 00:28:52,097 --> 00:28:56,534 and only two industry representatives on the side to kill the mandate. 461 00:28:57,736 --> 00:29:01,069 We have four people out of 78 462 00:29:01,806 --> 00:29:03,899 who are supporting this proposal. 463 00:29:04,375 --> 00:29:06,172 How did we end up with this? 464 00:29:06,244 --> 00:29:10,738 This is a tough, tough program. It's a revolutionary program. 465 00:29:10,815 --> 00:29:13,249 It pushes the automakers hard. 466 00:29:13,318 --> 00:29:15,479 And they don't like it, and they push back hard. 467 00:29:15,553 --> 00:29:18,522 As you deliberate today on the fate of this program, 468 00:29:18,990 --> 00:29:23,427 I urge you to summon all of your political courage 469 00:29:23,495 --> 00:29:27,124 to make the hard choices that you know you need to make on this program. 470 00:29:27,198 --> 00:29:31,032 Because when it comes to protecting the health of the people of California, 471 00:29:31,102 --> 00:29:33,935 there are simply no more easy choices to make. 472 00:29:55,493 --> 00:29:57,757 I saw this as losing a wonderful opportunity 473 00:29:57,829 --> 00:30:02,596 that we have really invested a great deal in the infrastructure, in the technology... 474 00:30:03,101 --> 00:30:04,534 It was like the rug was pulled out. 475 00:30:04,602 --> 00:30:08,504 They gave it away. And to me that is just sad. 476 00:30:09,007 --> 00:30:13,000 It's a sad commentary on the way our society 477 00:30:13,077 --> 00:30:16,171 and our system in the United States works. 478 00:30:16,314 --> 00:30:18,612 When GM introduced the EV1, 479 00:30:18,683 --> 00:30:22,119 California was setting the toughest auto pollution standards in the nation. 480 00:30:22,688 --> 00:30:27,452 10% of all cars sold here this year were to be zero emission vehicles. 481 00:30:27,592 --> 00:30:31,796 But California dropped those standards after being sued by automakers. 482 00:30:31,796 --> 00:30:35,630 A lot of the vehicles, the Honda vehicles, the General Motors vehicles, 483 00:30:35,767 --> 00:30:38,827 were all leased, and nobody had the option to buy. 484 00:30:38,903 --> 00:30:43,704 So the automakers took advantage of that and pulled all the cars off the road. 485 00:30:43,775 --> 00:30:46,505 They weren't willing to let people take the cars 486 00:30:46,578 --> 00:30:49,376 and actually drive them and keep driving them like normal cars. 487 00:30:49,447 --> 00:30:52,541 When I noticed that GM was losing interest 488 00:30:52,617 --> 00:30:56,951 was when I wanted to re-lease my car, and they wouldn't let me. 489 00:30:57,021 --> 00:31:00,855 I've never had a product I've had to beg and fight 490 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:07,023 and cajole and persist so much to get. 491 00:31:07,365 --> 00:31:10,732 And then I had to try and beg and fight 492 00:31:10,802 --> 00:31:13,532 and find any way possible to try and keep. 493 00:31:13,671 --> 00:31:16,834 - They didn't give you the option... - They didn't give you an option to buy. 494 00:31:16,908 --> 00:31:20,571 They said: "Thank you for leasing the car. Goodbye. That's it." 495 00:31:20,645 --> 00:31:23,546 "Turn it in by such and such a date, or you're going to be held liable." 496 00:31:23,615 --> 00:31:29,019 GM had very quietly gone about taking cars back, without anybody saying very much 497 00:31:29,087 --> 00:31:30,577 other than some of the drivers 498 00:31:30,655 --> 00:31:32,646 that complained having their cars taken away 499 00:31:32,724 --> 00:31:34,624 but never in a big, organized fashion. 500 00:31:34,692 --> 00:31:36,489 They had no choice but to turn them in 501 00:31:36,561 --> 00:31:41,021 or face legal consequences of stealing a car. 502 00:31:41,266 --> 00:31:45,168 To my knowledge all the cars were turned in because people had too much to lose. 503 00:31:45,236 --> 00:31:49,297 To this day, the automakers have fought anyone understanding 504 00:31:49,374 --> 00:31:51,968 how much demand there was, and how much demand that there is. 505 00:31:52,577 --> 00:31:54,807 So we decided we were going to fight them 506 00:31:55,013 --> 00:31:58,574 in whatever way we could, and we became organized. 507 00:31:58,983 --> 00:32:03,420 Across California drivers held protests to save electric cars. 508 00:32:03,488 --> 00:32:06,423 "...it turned my head around about electric cars." 509 00:32:06,491 --> 00:32:09,187 "And it broke me of my addiction to oil. " 510 00:32:35,420 --> 00:32:37,547 Unable to change policy, 511 00:32:37,622 --> 00:32:41,319 activists staged a funeral to raise public awareness. 512 00:32:41,926 --> 00:32:45,885 It was the same month as the first stage 1 smog alert 513 00:32:45,964 --> 00:32:48,933 in southern California in five years. 514 00:32:49,534 --> 00:32:54,535 I was an EV1 driver, still am, from 1998 until December of this year, 515 00:32:55,173 --> 00:32:59,273 when GM will have to pry it out of my charger's dead cold hands. 516 00:33:00,445 --> 00:33:03,744 What the detractors and the critics of electric vehicles have been saying for years 517 00:33:04,249 --> 00:33:08,646 is true. The electric vehicle is not for everybody. 518 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,721 Given the limited range, it can only meet the needs of 90% of the population. 519 00:33:18,596 --> 00:33:20,655 People used to ask me: "Why do you do what you do?" 520 00:33:20,732 --> 00:33:23,530 And I say, especially after my son had told them: 521 00:33:23,735 --> 00:33:25,862 "I figure if I do my job well enough, 522 00:33:25,937 --> 00:33:29,805 "my son will never know a time before there were electric cars on the road." 523 00:33:29,974 --> 00:33:33,876 And he rode in an EV1 on the way over here, and he said: 524 00:33:33,945 --> 00:33:36,846 "I wish we could keep the EV1 for a long time." 525 00:33:37,015 --> 00:33:39,074 And all I could say was: "Me too." 526 00:33:48,292 --> 00:33:50,385 By the summer of 2004, 527 00:33:50,461 --> 00:33:55,398 there was only a single EV1 left in private hands in southern California. 528 00:33:55,466 --> 00:33:58,492 Today is D-day. Today is the end. 529 00:33:59,404 --> 00:34:02,734 GM did do it right. They did create a great, great car. 530 00:34:02,807 --> 00:34:06,971 It's well engineered, it's well designed, and it's enjoyable to drive. 531 00:34:07,045 --> 00:34:12,449 I've never seen a company be so canniballistic about its own product before. 532 00:34:13,317 --> 00:34:15,945 It's such an odd experience. 533 00:34:32,036 --> 00:34:33,526 What makes that car go? 534 00:34:34,038 --> 00:34:38,202 - We press this button. 535 00:34:38,810 --> 00:34:41,108 It's an electric car like daddy's. 536 00:34:43,147 --> 00:34:45,081 Hey, you got here just in time. 537 00:34:45,149 --> 00:34:47,481 I know. I see that. 538 00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:49,484 It's so sad. 539 00:34:51,489 --> 00:34:55,323 This is the EV specialist I was talking about, who gave me her car. 540 00:34:55,393 --> 00:34:58,294 It's really sad, heartbroken. Are you kidding me? 541 00:34:58,463 --> 00:35:00,988 They are my babies, every one of them. 542 00:35:08,573 --> 00:35:12,202 A lot of human potential just drove off. 543 00:35:13,010 --> 00:35:15,444 - The fight continues. - It does. 544 00:35:26,924 --> 00:35:29,552 With no more electric cars on the road, 545 00:35:29,627 --> 00:35:33,893 General Motors now had possession of their entire EV1 fleet. 546 00:35:34,532 --> 00:35:36,329 Pourquoi vouloir toutes les r�cup�rer ? 547 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,834 Why did they want them back? What were they going to do with these cars? 548 00:35:38,903 --> 00:35:42,964 We have discovered 78 EV1's parked in the back parking lot 549 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,339 of a facility that GM owns in Burbank. 550 00:35:46,878 --> 00:35:50,678 Taking off the cars that were on the road, that were running fine... 551 00:35:50,748 --> 00:35:54,184 Just let those people drive those cars until they can't drive them anymore. 552 00:36:00,191 --> 00:36:03,319 - Where are you guys from? - We're members of the EV1 club, 553 00:36:03,394 --> 00:36:06,261 and we want to come and take a look at our cars. 554 00:36:06,330 --> 00:36:08,298 I know they are being mothballed here. 555 00:36:08,366 --> 00:36:12,063 I have no authorization for you guys to come back there and look at the cars. 556 00:36:12,136 --> 00:36:14,434 - Can we just go and... - No. 557 00:36:14,505 --> 00:36:17,702 There were no clues as to where the cars were going, 558 00:36:17,775 --> 00:36:20,471 until a rumor surfaced on the Internet. 559 00:36:21,712 --> 00:36:25,079 We had the understanding, through back channels 560 00:36:25,149 --> 00:36:29,415 that these vehicles were about to be taken to the Arizona proving grounds. 561 00:36:29,487 --> 00:36:33,014 Many EV1's had apparently been trucked out of state 562 00:36:33,090 --> 00:36:36,958 to GM's vast proving grounds in Mesa, Arizona. 563 00:36:37,028 --> 00:36:40,395 ...so large, it has the track denoted on it... 564 00:36:40,665 --> 00:36:43,190 The location was off-limits to the public, 565 00:36:43,267 --> 00:36:46,759 and there was no way of knowing where the EV1's might be. 566 00:36:54,178 --> 00:36:55,668 We're flying over GM. 567 00:37:03,721 --> 00:37:05,279 There they are. 568 00:37:06,424 --> 00:37:07,789 Wow. 569 00:37:12,096 --> 00:37:13,757 We flew over General Motors, 570 00:37:13,831 --> 00:37:17,528 and looking down, we could see, right next to the racetrack 571 00:37:17,602 --> 00:37:20,935 where the EV1 was first tested, we saw 572 00:37:21,005 --> 00:37:23,803 I don't know, maybe 50 EV1's crushed 573 00:37:23,874 --> 00:37:27,776 and put on top of semi-flatbeds, right next to the yellow crusher. 574 00:37:29,113 --> 00:37:31,809 General Motors is almost finished off i think. 575 00:37:32,284 --> 00:37:36,451 I imagine there isn't many EV1's left that haven't been crushed out. 576 00:37:36,954 --> 00:37:38,478 It's pretty sad. 577 00:37:44,862 --> 00:37:47,626 There are one of four things that will happen with the EV1's. 578 00:37:47,698 --> 00:37:50,633 They'll go to colleges and universities, to engineering schools. 579 00:37:50,701 --> 00:37:53,761 They'll go to museums and other displays across the country. 580 00:37:53,838 --> 00:37:57,137 Other EV1 vehicles are being driven by our engineers. 581 00:37:57,208 --> 00:38:00,666 And the other option for the EV1's at the end of their life is recycling. 582 00:38:00,745 --> 00:38:04,306 But know that ever part of the EV1 is going to be recycled, 583 00:38:04,382 --> 00:38:07,749 dismantled through a third party and then reused. Everything is going to be recycled. 584 00:38:07,818 --> 00:38:10,787 We're not just going to go crush it and then send it off to a landfill. 585 00:38:17,595 --> 00:38:20,655 When I saw the picture of the pile of pressed cars, 586 00:38:20,731 --> 00:38:24,895 it hurt. I thought it was pretty spiteful. 587 00:38:25,703 --> 00:38:30,367 To see on the computer, on the Internet, 588 00:38:30,508 --> 00:38:33,534 the crushed EV1's that GM did... 589 00:38:34,111 --> 00:38:37,274 - It was wrong. - Tragic. That was tragic. 590 00:38:37,348 --> 00:38:41,045 But more wrong is the reasons for it. 591 00:38:42,586 --> 00:38:45,919 "What do we do now?" 592 00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:48,686 At the time that most of this was going on, no one had any idea 593 00:38:48,759 --> 00:38:51,193 that every automaker was going to jump ship. 594 00:38:52,030 --> 00:38:55,399 More internet tips revealed that the EV1's 595 00:38:55,466 --> 00:38:58,731 were not the only electric vehicles in jeopardy. 596 00:38:58,903 --> 00:39:01,770 A number of Ford Th!nks and Ranger electric trucks 597 00:39:01,839 --> 00:39:06,333 were discovered in Palm Springs, and rumored to be set for destruction. 598 00:39:07,712 --> 00:39:12,649 In Los Angeles, activists spotted a truckload of Toyota RAV4 EV's. 599 00:39:12,983 --> 00:39:16,714 Fearing the destination was a crushing facility, they chased it. 600 00:39:16,787 --> 00:39:19,085 The next morning the truck turned back. 601 00:39:19,690 --> 00:39:24,024 That guy was going as fast as he possibly could in a big transporter like that, 602 00:39:24,161 --> 00:39:26,026 trying to lose us, it was clear. 603 00:39:26,330 --> 00:39:30,289 but wasn't able to do it and, of course, that did change Toyota's plans. 604 00:39:30,634 --> 00:39:34,331 It was so inconsistent, they didn't know what the hell to do. 605 00:39:36,073 --> 00:39:40,442 Then he goes to the end of the pier, and these two big security guards come out, 606 00:39:40,678 --> 00:39:42,646 they open this locked gate, 607 00:39:42,713 --> 00:39:46,843 the truck goes inside, and then the security guards come out and survey us. 608 00:39:47,985 --> 00:39:50,783 Somehow we ended up at this god forsaken place. 609 00:39:50,855 --> 00:39:51,913 She has everything. 610 00:39:51,989 --> 00:39:55,891 It has spewing smoke into the harbor that kids have to breathe. 611 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,452 It has an oil well, and it has Toyota, which is supposed 612 00:39:59,530 --> 00:40:03,489 to be the greenest car company, but which is simultaneously crushing 613 00:40:03,567 --> 00:40:07,503 and hiding the fact that they're crushing, clean RAV4 EV's, 614 00:40:07,571 --> 00:40:10,404 instead of selling them to willing customers. 615 00:40:10,775 --> 00:40:15,144 No one had seen Honda's electric car since they were taken from customers. 616 00:40:15,813 --> 00:40:19,647 Then, an episode of "California's Green" aired on PBS. 617 00:40:20,818 --> 00:40:24,584 So we're going to be able to see cars shredded today. 618 00:40:24,655 --> 00:40:25,679 Absolutely. 619 00:40:25,756 --> 00:40:28,122 Which is not something most of us get to see. 620 00:40:28,192 --> 00:40:32,424 We shred the car, about a car a minute, 1000 cars a day on a good day. 621 00:40:32,496 --> 00:40:36,899 And what's interesting, the first thing we noticed when we drove up here, 622 00:40:37,001 --> 00:40:39,629 you're going to be shredding some new cars, too. 623 00:40:39,703 --> 00:40:43,764 These look like perfectly good cars. Why are you shredding them up? 624 00:40:43,841 --> 00:40:47,208 A little bit of a mystery really, since I've been here last eight years. 625 00:40:47,278 --> 00:40:49,803 They bring us these cars from the dealerships, 626 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,541 and they say that they're test cars. 627 00:40:51,615 --> 00:40:54,379 And they've been brought over to test various emissions 628 00:40:54,452 --> 00:40:56,477 and the insurance companies won't reinsure them 629 00:40:56,554 --> 00:40:58,454 so they have to watch them destroyed here. 630 00:40:58,522 --> 00:41:03,289 Boy, that seems like a shame. I'd like to drive off in one of these things. 631 00:41:04,728 --> 00:41:09,529 Ladies and gentlemen, that's the sound of a crushed automobile 632 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,831 being shredded into a million pieces. 633 00:41:26,884 --> 00:41:29,614 There's no precedent for a car company rounding up 634 00:41:29,687 --> 00:41:31,518 every one of a particular kind of car 635 00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:34,353 and crushing them, as if they're afraid one might get away. 636 00:41:35,125 --> 00:41:37,025 I think they wanted to be sure 637 00:41:37,094 --> 00:41:39,824 that none of them were driving around the streets any more 638 00:41:39,897 --> 00:41:44,095 to remind people that there is such a thing as an electric car. 639 00:41:44,235 --> 00:41:46,294 People keep making all these analogies, 640 00:41:46,370 --> 00:41:49,999 "Crushing the EV is a betrayal of the American dream." 641 00:41:50,074 --> 00:41:52,167 But it's not a dream. It's here now! 642 00:41:52,243 --> 00:41:56,976 It may be a betrayal of my dream, but it's a betrayal of the American reality. 643 00:41:57,748 --> 00:42:01,184 After the discovery of the crushed EV1's in Arizona, 644 00:42:01,252 --> 00:42:03,584 electric car drivers took action. 645 00:42:03,654 --> 00:42:06,817 They vowed to keep watch over the remaining EV1's 646 00:42:06,891 --> 00:42:10,122 being stored at the GM facility in Burbank. 647 00:42:10,194 --> 00:42:13,186 There are about 70 cars left in California. 648 00:42:13,264 --> 00:42:17,963 They're in the parking lot behind me, and they have plans to crush those as well. 649 00:42:18,502 --> 00:42:24,668 And we need to make a call to action on General Motors to give them back. 650 00:42:24,808 --> 00:42:26,969 We ended up rallying enough troops 651 00:42:27,044 --> 00:42:29,945 in terms of interest and organizations to join our coalition 652 00:42:30,014 --> 00:42:34,849 and then we simply didn't leave, and stayed 24 hours a day, seven days a week. 653 00:42:34,919 --> 00:42:39,982 It's 6 A.M., and I've been here for an hour, part of a vigil. 654 00:42:40,291 --> 00:42:44,387 We're making sure that GM doesn't sneak out their cars in the back lot. 655 00:42:45,262 --> 00:42:48,254 The first two weeks we were pretty much ignored. 656 00:42:48,332 --> 00:42:49,765 It was like monsoon rains, 657 00:42:49,833 --> 00:42:52,427 it was kind of depressing to be out there, 658 00:42:52,503 --> 00:42:54,767 but at the same time there was such a sense of mission. 659 00:42:54,838 --> 00:42:58,001 I was here this morning from about 5:45 A.M., 660 00:42:58,108 --> 00:43:00,702 and it's pretty quiet. 661 00:43:02,546 --> 00:43:06,107 Finally, on day 15, we did this announcement of this offer. 662 00:43:06,317 --> 00:43:10,549 As the EV activists recorded the VIN numbers of the cars in storage, 663 00:43:10,754 --> 00:43:14,952 Chelsea led a last ditch effort to buy the cars from GM. 664 00:43:15,359 --> 00:43:18,795 "Okay, General Motors contends that no one wants these EV1's here." 665 00:43:18,862 --> 00:43:22,127 "Would anybody be willing to buy them for the residual price of the lease?" 666 00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:25,828 And within 48 hours, over 80 people had signed up. 667 00:43:25,970 --> 00:43:27,733 There were only 78 cars in that lot, 668 00:43:27,805 --> 00:43:31,172 and already we had a waiting list for a car that wasn't available. 669 00:43:31,241 --> 00:43:33,505 It was a tremendous d�j� vu moment. 670 00:43:33,577 --> 00:43:37,274 At this point we thought it would be appropriate 671 00:43:37,348 --> 00:43:41,182 to some full circle. Join me in holding this check 672 00:43:41,251 --> 00:43:45,085 offering 1.9 million dollars to General Motors 673 00:43:45,155 --> 00:43:47,984 to put these cars back on the road. 674 00:43:51,195 --> 00:43:54,221 Despite the offer, GM did not respond. 675 00:43:55,399 --> 00:43:59,130 The fate of the last 78 EV1's remained in doubt 676 00:44:00,471 --> 00:44:03,338 A small group of activists would continue their vigil, 677 00:44:03,407 --> 00:44:05,967 to keep the dream of the electric car alive. 678 00:44:08,846 --> 00:44:10,541 Who controls the future? 679 00:44:13,384 --> 00:44:17,946 Whoever has the biggest club. In more ways than one. 680 00:44:18,922 --> 00:44:20,913 One they can bash you with, and one they can belong to. 681 00:44:22,026 --> 00:44:24,685 Gentlemen! Gentlemen! 682 00:44:25,896 --> 00:44:28,956 I know you're all worried, and I agree. 683 00:44:29,733 --> 00:44:34,363 There's plenty to be worried about. Like this solar power plant 684 00:44:35,205 --> 00:44:37,696 already operational outside Los Angeles. 685 00:44:38,609 --> 00:44:40,372 Photovoltaic cells, 686 00:44:40,611 --> 00:44:43,910 they converts sunlight directly into electricity. 687 00:44:44,748 --> 00:44:48,809 Fluorescent, lasts ten times as long as a conventional light bulb. 688 00:44:48,886 --> 00:44:50,979 uses only a quarter of the power. 689 00:44:51,321 --> 00:44:55,758 Superwindows, insulate as well as ten sheets of glass. 690 00:44:56,193 --> 00:45:00,254 An electric car, partially powered by solar panels. 691 00:45:01,298 --> 00:45:04,233 But the truth is, gentlemen, 692 00:45:04,334 --> 00:45:07,963 I'm not worried about any of these things. 693 00:45:08,605 --> 00:45:12,200 Because no one is ever going to know about them. 694 00:45:13,711 --> 00:45:18,148 There's all these conspiracy theories out there about who killed the electric car. 695 00:45:18,215 --> 00:45:20,513 So really, who killed the electric car? 696 00:45:20,718 --> 00:45:23,243 Unfortunately, I can't summarize that in one sentence. 697 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,515 What killed the electric vehicle, 698 00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:27,819 very simply, I think, is lack of corporate wisdom. 699 00:45:27,925 --> 00:45:30,723 In my opinion it's big oil that killed the electric car. 700 00:45:30,794 --> 00:45:33,854 Alan Lloyd killed the electric car project. I was there when he did it. 701 00:45:33,964 --> 00:45:37,092 The California Air Resources Board killed the electric car 702 00:45:37,167 --> 00:45:40,603 under huge pressure from the auto companies. 703 00:45:40,671 --> 00:45:42,798 They were an accessory to the murder, 704 00:45:42,873 --> 00:45:45,603 but the murder was commited by the General Motors. 705 00:45:45,809 --> 00:45:47,743 I don't believe that for a minute. 706 00:45:48,245 --> 00:45:54,411 GM would sell you a car on pig shit if it sold. 707 00:46:00,491 --> 00:46:04,860 Carmakers argue that there was not enough demand for the electric car. 708 00:46:04,928 --> 00:46:08,091 Claiming to have spent millions of dollars on advertising, 709 00:46:08,165 --> 00:46:10,360 they said buyers weren't interested. 710 00:46:10,467 --> 00:46:13,868 But did consumers even know that the car existed? 711 00:46:13,937 --> 00:46:16,872 Did you ever see this car advertised? 712 00:46:16,940 --> 00:46:20,706 Never. That's what I'm trying to say. It's totally under the scope of the radar. 713 00:46:20,878 --> 00:46:23,403 I don't know who drives an EV1 actually. 714 00:46:23,647 --> 00:46:25,137 - You don't know anybody? - Anybody. 715 00:46:25,382 --> 00:46:28,783 Maybe Fernando. I know Fernando... Did you ever drive an EV1? 716 00:46:29,086 --> 00:46:31,350 - I've heard of them. - He's heard of them. 717 00:46:31,455 --> 00:46:34,015 They're not making these cars in California anymore? 718 00:46:34,091 --> 00:46:35,888 No. They're not making them anywhere. 719 00:46:35,959 --> 00:46:38,154 That's really too bad. We need those cars. 720 00:46:38,328 --> 00:46:40,455 Why are they getting rid of it? 721 00:46:42,065 --> 00:46:44,932 They said that there was no demand for the car. 722 00:46:45,002 --> 00:46:46,367 Are they insane? 723 00:46:46,670 --> 00:46:48,262 That's a no-brainer. Of course there's a demand. 724 00:46:48,338 --> 00:46:51,637 Save gas, save people, save air, save oxygen, save the world. 725 00:46:51,708 --> 00:46:53,300 All sounds good to me. 726 00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:58,604 We've been selling vehicles for a century, 727 00:46:58,715 --> 00:47:02,310 and as you might imagine, we've figured out what people wanted. 728 00:47:02,386 --> 00:47:05,480 If you ask them, they say: "I want a 300 mile range." 729 00:47:05,556 --> 00:47:08,889 "I want to be able to go 85 or 90 mph 730 00:47:08,959 --> 00:47:12,122 "I want to carry four passengers and have a big trunk. " 731 00:47:12,629 --> 00:47:15,359 Which is basically what we were already selling. 732 00:47:15,432 --> 00:47:17,059 I've said this time and time again. 733 00:47:17,134 --> 00:47:19,329 People will buy anthing you convince them to buy. 734 00:47:20,504 --> 00:47:24,873 Feed people enough, and they believe that's a diet. 735 00:47:25,976 --> 00:47:28,376 Consumers, they couldn't see the difference 736 00:47:28,445 --> 00:47:30,675 between electric car and the car they're already driving 737 00:47:30,747 --> 00:47:33,238 because they don't read environmental impact. 738 00:47:33,884 --> 00:47:36,318 They don't read political instability caused by oil production 739 00:47:36,386 --> 00:47:37,410 in the Middle East. 740 00:47:37,487 --> 00:47:41,082 All they read is does this car work and how much does it cost. 741 00:47:42,492 --> 00:47:45,325 What really killed EV's, is American consumers 742 00:47:45,395 --> 00:47:49,058 because they did not accept this idea, did not embrace it, 743 00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:53,131 that vehicles could have these limited ranges 744 00:47:53,203 --> 00:47:55,603 and still be functional, useful, practical. 745 00:48:01,912 --> 00:48:05,541 Did the electric car die because of the battery technology ? 746 00:48:05,616 --> 00:48:08,346 Did EV's really not have enough range? 747 00:48:08,418 --> 00:48:11,751 Did car companies use the best batteries available? 748 00:48:11,822 --> 00:48:15,781 Battery technology at that time was lead accid batteries 749 00:48:15,859 --> 00:48:18,521 and allowed the car to go 60 miles. 750 00:48:18,695 --> 00:48:23,053 If you started out on a trip knowing that you were going to go dead in 60 miles, 751 00:48:23,367 --> 00:48:25,358 you'd be nervous about making the trip. 752 00:48:26,503 --> 00:48:29,529 People think that they need a car that will go 300 miles 753 00:48:29,606 --> 00:48:32,905 and be able to charge it up or refuel it in five minutes. 754 00:48:33,143 --> 00:48:37,835 For virtually 90-95% of your driving, you really don't need that. 755 00:48:38,148 --> 00:48:41,049 You need a vehicle that will go at least 60 miles or so, 756 00:48:41,118 --> 00:48:44,110 and that way your daily commute is covered. 757 00:48:44,187 --> 00:48:48,647 For those who wanted greater range from an EV, a 100 miles or more 758 00:48:48,725 --> 00:48:50,989 a better battery already existed. 759 00:48:51,061 --> 00:48:54,394 Developed by a well known inventor working in Troy, Michigan, 760 00:48:54,464 --> 00:48:57,058 about 30 miles from General Motors headquarters. 761 00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,102 - I'm Stan and... - And lris Ovshinsky. 762 00:49:01,972 --> 00:49:03,234 I think you shouldn't do that. 763 00:49:03,307 --> 00:49:06,242 You should say you're Stan Ovshinsky, and I'll say I'm Iris Ovshinsky. 764 00:49:06,310 --> 00:49:07,902 Don't do that. It's funny. 765 00:49:07,978 --> 00:49:13,177 With over 200 patents to his name, Stan Ovshinsky had pioneered a new battery 766 00:49:13,250 --> 00:49:16,276 and GM purchased controlling share of his company. 767 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:20,786 We were chosen over 60 different big companies, 768 00:49:20,958 --> 00:49:22,619 like Westinghouse and others, 769 00:49:22,793 --> 00:49:26,889 who wanted to win the race to make the batteries 770 00:49:27,264 --> 00:49:30,859 that would be used in pure electric cars. 771 00:49:31,368 --> 00:49:34,337 And we were chosen because we had a battery. 772 00:49:34,938 --> 00:49:39,272 And to us, putting it into a car 773 00:49:39,343 --> 00:49:42,005 was not the most gigantic thing. 774 00:49:42,212 --> 00:49:43,941 What were we supposed to do? 775 00:49:44,014 --> 00:49:46,141 But you did expect champagne and roses. 776 00:49:46,216 --> 00:49:48,241 I expected champagne and roses. 777 00:49:48,919 --> 00:49:53,083 When I said that we were going to put a paragraph into a newspaper, 778 00:49:53,156 --> 00:49:54,817 that said we had achieved this, 779 00:49:54,891 --> 00:49:58,554 I really expected congratulations to flow in. 780 00:49:58,929 --> 00:50:02,888 And then I knew that something was different when the opposite happened. 781 00:50:02,966 --> 00:50:07,630 Ovshinsky was censored for publicizing his battery advances without permission 782 00:50:08,772 --> 00:50:12,139 and asked not to run advertising in national publications. 783 00:50:12,909 --> 00:50:15,810 The EV1 debuted with a weaker battery. 784 00:50:16,046 --> 00:50:18,844 It would be another 2 years before Ovshinsky's batteries 785 00:50:18,915 --> 00:50:20,678 were installed in the EV1. 786 00:50:22,219 --> 00:50:25,848 The first version of the EV1 had defective Delco batteries, 787 00:50:25,922 --> 00:50:27,116 and they kept failing. 788 00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:29,681 That was GM's failure, on those batteries. 789 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,354 Once they put good batteries in, they didn't have any problems. 790 00:50:32,462 --> 00:50:36,125 Ultimately, GM sold its share in Ovshinsky's company 791 00:50:36,199 --> 00:50:37,894 to an unlikely buyer. 792 00:50:38,168 --> 00:50:40,602 Then, when the Ni-MH batteries were improved, 793 00:50:40,670 --> 00:50:45,403 so that they're now lasting longer than the life of the car and cheaper than an engine, 794 00:50:46,076 --> 00:50:51,173 Chevron Texaco stepped in and purchased control from General Motors 795 00:50:51,248 --> 00:50:53,145 of Ovshinsky technology. 796 00:50:54,117 --> 00:50:56,950 The oil companies do not feel threatened by battery technology, 797 00:50:58,121 --> 00:50:59,918 because they effectively crushed it. 798 00:50:59,990 --> 00:51:02,185 The electric car is an interesting case study. 799 00:51:02,259 --> 00:51:05,293 It was such an abysmal failure, 800 00:51:05,629 --> 00:51:08,325 that there are a lot of people involved in the initial decision making 801 00:51:08,398 --> 00:51:11,458 that are pointing fingers at whose responsibility it is. 802 00:51:21,878 --> 00:51:26,611 To Basrah and all of Iraq comes good news with the opening of a new oil field. 803 00:51:26,683 --> 00:51:30,710 The pipeline runs across the desert to the Persian Gulf at Al Faw. 804 00:51:31,488 --> 00:51:35,720 There, tankers load up with the precious fuel the world needs so badly. 805 00:51:36,460 --> 00:51:40,521 Yes, it's a big day for Iraq, and there's a feast to celebrate. 806 00:51:40,931 --> 00:51:44,059 Sheep stuffed with rice and host of other good things. 807 00:51:44,601 --> 00:51:49,265 But that's only the first of the good things that will come to Iraq, thanks to oil. 808 00:51:51,641 --> 00:51:54,474 Oil companies have rarely shied away from global issues. 809 00:51:54,544 --> 00:51:58,002 But why did they lobby so hard to build a public opposition 810 00:51:58,081 --> 00:52:00,106 to the electric car in California? 811 00:52:00,183 --> 00:52:02,777 I find it difficult to rationalize 812 00:52:04,688 --> 00:52:07,384 why the oil industry got so intimately involved in this. 813 00:52:07,457 --> 00:52:10,824 Other than maybe they saw it as a threat 814 00:52:10,894 --> 00:52:15,297 to the monopoly they had on providing the transportation fuel. 815 00:52:15,432 --> 00:52:19,499 There's no question that the oil companies who control the market today 816 00:52:20,804 --> 00:52:23,898 have a strong incentive to discourage alternatives, 817 00:52:24,474 --> 00:52:27,500 except the alternatives that they themselves control. 818 00:52:27,644 --> 00:52:30,704 Just as General Motors, 819 00:52:32,082 --> 00:52:35,779 40 or 50 years ago, bought up the trolley systems and shut them down, 820 00:52:35,852 --> 00:52:41,415 the oil companies have opposed the creation of an electric infrastructure. 821 00:52:43,326 --> 00:52:46,784 I differ strongly with that. We did not kill the electric car. 822 00:52:46,863 --> 00:52:48,626 The petroleum industry did not kill the electric car. 823 00:52:48,698 --> 00:52:51,758 What killed the electric car was antiquated technology. 824 00:52:52,202 --> 00:52:55,501 It's a good example of something we should not repeat, 825 00:52:55,572 --> 00:52:57,437 an example we need to avoid. 826 00:53:00,977 --> 00:53:05,209 There's still roughly a trillion barrels worth of oil in the Earth's crust. 827 00:53:05,582 --> 00:53:10,485 And if you figure that the average price of that subsequent oil will be 100 $ a barrel, 828 00:53:10,554 --> 00:53:14,251 that's a 100 trillion dollars worth of business yet to be done. 829 00:53:16,293 --> 00:53:20,320 However, at some point when an alternative is good enough, 830 00:53:20,397 --> 00:53:25,130 people will snap over, and that's what the oil companies fear the most. 831 00:53:25,769 --> 00:53:28,966 We use 180 million gallons of gasoline a week in California. 832 00:53:29,039 --> 00:53:33,840 Right now, the price is 2,20 $. A year ago, it was 1,20 $. 833 00:53:34,010 --> 00:53:35,910 There's a dollar more a gallon. 834 00:53:35,979 --> 00:53:40,177 Somebody's making 180 million dollars more a week. 835 00:53:40,250 --> 00:53:43,651 It's the same gas, the same pipeline, the same refinery. 836 00:53:43,720 --> 00:53:45,585 The profits are outstanding. 837 00:53:53,764 --> 00:53:56,359 What the oil companies feared, 838 00:53:56,433 --> 00:54:01,166 is that electric vehicles would become successful six years from now. 839 00:54:01,238 --> 00:54:03,468 What the automobile companies feared, 840 00:54:03,540 --> 00:54:06,634 was that they'd be losing money on electric vehicles in the next six months. 841 00:54:13,083 --> 00:54:17,611 Even as car companies made electric cars, they fought them at every step. 842 00:54:17,887 --> 00:54:19,320 What was their motive? 843 00:54:19,389 --> 00:54:22,483 Why were they so determined to take them off the road? 844 00:54:22,926 --> 00:54:24,894 I think in the beginning, 845 00:54:24,961 --> 00:54:27,327 General Motors didn't believe the car would catch on. 846 00:54:27,397 --> 00:54:29,922 I don't think they'd thought they'd ever have to worry about 847 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,902 something like a conspiracy to keep it from happening. They hated the mandate. 848 00:54:33,970 --> 00:54:36,632 They hated it so much that they ended up not really wanting 849 00:54:36,706 --> 00:54:38,139 to be in the business of EV's. 850 00:54:38,208 --> 00:54:42,975 What I detected was a huge resentment about being told 851 00:54:43,079 --> 00:54:45,639 what type of motor vehicle had to be made. 852 00:54:45,715 --> 00:54:50,243 And it became a fight of principle rather than one of trying 853 00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,221 to technologically solve the problem. 854 00:54:53,556 --> 00:54:57,925 I do know that I was surprised at some of the stances they took 855 00:54:57,994 --> 00:55:00,656 in Sacramento in arguing. 856 00:55:03,166 --> 00:55:04,724 End of comment. 857 00:55:06,569 --> 00:55:09,732 In a confidential 1995 memo 858 00:55:09,806 --> 00:55:13,242 the American Automobile Manufacturers Association 859 00:55:13,310 --> 00:55:16,973 sought to hire a PR firm to manage a so-called 860 00:55:17,047 --> 00:55:19,880 "grassroots and educational campaign" 861 00:55:20,083 --> 00:55:22,916 to create a climate to repeal the mandate. 862 00:55:23,286 --> 00:55:25,481 The challenge, according to the document, 863 00:55:25,555 --> 00:55:29,116 was "greater consumer acceptance of electric vehicles." 864 00:55:29,859 --> 00:55:34,626 Why would the car companies campaign so hard against their own creation? 865 00:55:34,898 --> 00:55:38,299 I made the case at the General Motors board, 866 00:55:39,269 --> 00:55:43,399 that the reason for the EV1 was to give General Motors 867 00:55:43,473 --> 00:55:48,274 a very big head start in how you transform electricity 868 00:55:48,345 --> 00:55:50,870 into the drive power of a car. 869 00:55:50,947 --> 00:55:54,212 And we give them two or three years lead, 870 00:55:54,284 --> 00:55:56,582 and in my judgement it did. 871 00:55:56,720 --> 00:56:00,156 But my frustration was they didn't capitalize on the lead. 872 00:56:00,357 --> 00:56:03,417 And the reason, which was discussed with the board, 873 00:56:03,626 --> 00:56:08,359 was that there was not a profit seemed to be coming out 874 00:56:08,531 --> 00:56:11,056 of either electric cars or hybrids. 875 00:56:11,301 --> 00:56:15,795 They could not understand how Toyota could possibly make a profit 876 00:56:15,872 --> 00:56:19,638 out of the Prius, for example. They were gonna lose their shirt. 877 00:56:20,176 --> 00:56:25,010 And as evidence have shown, I don't think Toyota is losing their shirt. 878 00:56:25,882 --> 00:56:28,578 If loss of revenue worried car companies 879 00:56:28,718 --> 00:56:32,347 than the electric car posed another problem altogether: 880 00:56:32,422 --> 00:56:37,359 it had no internal combustion engine, the cornerstone of the auto industry. 881 00:56:38,094 --> 00:56:40,494 These parts represent a large part of a dealership's income, 882 00:56:41,631 --> 00:56:44,632 through the replacement and the maintenance. 883 00:56:44,734 --> 00:56:48,602 Esentially, this group of parts is a visual representation 884 00:56:48,671 --> 00:56:52,163 of the profits the auto industry doesn't make when they sell an EV1, 885 00:56:52,242 --> 00:56:53,732 or an EV in general. 886 00:56:53,810 --> 00:56:58,076 I can actually identify a lot of these that didn't get used on the EV1 program. 887 00:56:58,148 --> 00:57:00,116 Oil filters you need four times a year. 888 00:57:00,183 --> 00:57:01,480 It was the most prominent thing, 889 00:57:01,551 --> 00:57:04,281 along with several quarts of oil every time. 890 00:57:04,487 --> 00:57:07,115 I didn't enjoy working on the internal combustion engines, 891 00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:09,055 just due to the fact you got so dirty. 892 00:57:09,125 --> 00:57:12,788 And working on the EV1, I basically go home looking like this. 893 00:57:13,997 --> 00:57:17,398 Servicing the EV1 was pretty simple. 894 00:57:17,467 --> 00:57:20,561 It came in about every 5000 miles. 895 00:57:20,637 --> 00:57:26,473 We'd rotate the tires, add washer fluid to it, and send it back out on the street. 896 00:57:27,744 --> 00:57:31,510 It's amazing. Look how dirty I've gotten just handling this stuff. 897 00:57:31,915 --> 00:57:33,041 It's kind of sad. 898 00:57:33,116 --> 00:57:35,141 In order to sincerely market a clean car, 899 00:57:35,218 --> 00:57:38,312 you have to suggest that your core product is dirty, 900 00:57:38,455 --> 00:57:40,753 that it uses oil, that it uses gas, 901 00:57:40,824 --> 00:57:43,384 and that increases our dependance on foreign oil. 902 00:57:43,460 --> 00:57:44,757 And here's this product that doesn't. 903 00:57:45,028 --> 00:57:48,293 It looks very schizophrenic, but I think, when it started... 904 00:57:48,364 --> 00:57:50,730 "We can show the people in California 905 00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,566 we can meet the zero emission requirements." 906 00:57:54,771 --> 00:57:57,968 And later on: "Do we want to show them?" 907 00:57:58,041 --> 00:57:59,668 "That means, all of our other cars..." 908 00:57:59,909 --> 00:58:02,776 But the more it caught on, the more that there was this dichotomy 909 00:58:02,846 --> 00:58:08,216 between clean and efficient and non-polluting versus a Suburban. 910 00:58:09,052 --> 00:58:11,213 Car companies had convinced themselves 911 00:58:11,287 --> 00:58:15,018 that they couldn't make money in the short term with the electric car. 912 00:58:15,091 --> 00:58:19,289 In order to do that, they would need an entirely different vehicle. 913 00:58:19,796 --> 00:58:22,856 General Motors made a commitment to the Hummer, 914 00:58:23,066 --> 00:58:26,194 because they could see that the Hummer would make them money. 915 00:58:29,606 --> 00:58:32,666 When SUV's first came out, people said: "I can't drive that." 916 00:58:32,742 --> 00:58:34,801 - "That big old truck?" - Especially for the ladies. 917 00:58:34,878 --> 00:58:36,903 - "I can't see out of there." - "I'm going to murder somebody in that." 918 00:58:36,980 --> 00:58:39,676 - "That's too big." - "That's too big for me." 919 00:58:39,749 --> 00:58:42,912 - But they convinced people. "This is safer." - "You need this car." 920 00:58:42,986 --> 00:58:44,920 - "You need a big car." - "This is a safe car." 921 00:58:44,988 --> 00:58:46,546 - "You need this for your family." - "Bigger, safer." 922 00:58:46,623 --> 00:58:52,687 The idea of a penny-pinching EV1 that was super-green, 923 00:58:52,762 --> 00:58:54,195 that didn't get a lot attraction. 924 00:58:54,264 --> 00:58:57,722 Whereas the idea of a gigantic SUV 925 00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,065 that would crush your neighbor, that did get a lot attraction. 926 00:59:01,137 --> 00:59:03,970 Basically, that tells us what the 90's was about. 927 00:59:05,642 --> 00:59:11,080 What began as a 25 000 $ tax break, grew to a 100 000 $ 928 00:59:11,247 --> 00:59:15,445 when Congress passed the President's economic stimulus package last spring. 929 00:59:15,585 --> 00:59:18,350 We think small businesses need to have support at this time 930 00:59:18,621 --> 00:59:20,987 to keep them afloat, to keep the economy moving ahead. 931 00:59:21,090 --> 00:59:23,684 But there's an encouragement for the small business person, 932 00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:27,389 not just to stay afloat, but to go the biggest gas guzzler there is. 933 00:59:27,463 --> 00:59:31,593 The 6,000-pound car, the biggest. Does that make sense? 934 00:59:31,801 --> 00:59:35,635 I don't think we can dictate what vehicles people buy. 935 00:59:35,705 --> 00:59:37,673 - The goal here is... - This is encouraging them! 936 00:59:37,740 --> 00:59:40,334 You can almost buy the whole car for the tax break. 937 00:59:40,410 --> 00:59:42,970 I'm not going to concede 938 00:59:43,046 --> 00:59:45,606 that that would be the way that this would be used... 939 00:59:45,682 --> 00:59:47,513 There is some evidence that is how they are being used. 940 00:59:47,584 --> 00:59:49,711 I don't know. We'll have to wait and see what happens. 941 01:00:29,025 --> 01:00:32,586 I don't want to see Hummers driven off the market by the government. 942 01:00:33,029 --> 01:00:37,363 I want to see everything given a level, equal chance. 943 01:00:37,433 --> 01:00:41,460 The thing that bothers me is that it's not a level, equal chance. 944 01:00:41,537 --> 01:00:44,370 We're using our military to ensure the flow of oil. 945 01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:48,433 We're using tax dollars to support the car companies in different ways, 946 01:00:48,511 --> 01:00:53,107 and we're not using our tax money to do the things that we really need to do 947 01:00:53,182 --> 01:00:54,450 to prepare for the future. 948 01:01:01,257 --> 01:01:05,785 Federal policy has always had tremendous power to shape the future. 949 01:01:06,262 --> 01:01:09,629 As it gave enormous incentives to buy SUV's 950 01:01:09,699 --> 01:01:14,398 the federal government also sued California to stop the electric car. 951 01:01:15,071 --> 01:01:19,363 Some pointed to the influence of the oil and auto industries. 952 01:01:20,343 --> 01:01:24,007 They control things in Washington, they and the automobile industry. 953 01:01:25,381 --> 01:01:27,042 Now they've got Andy Card there, 954 01:01:27,116 --> 01:01:31,143 former lobbyist, as chief of staff in the White House. 955 01:01:31,220 --> 01:01:34,189 I guess they don't have to pay the lobbyists anymore. 956 01:01:34,257 --> 01:01:36,088 So they're saving a little money there. 957 01:01:36,292 --> 01:01:38,351 Andrew Card was chief of staff 958 01:01:38,428 --> 01:01:42,023 when the Bush administration joined the suit against California. 959 01:01:42,331 --> 01:01:45,129 Card had also been president and C.E.O. 960 01:01:45,201 --> 01:01:48,762 of the American Automobile Manufacturers Association 961 01:01:48,838 --> 01:01:53,036 during its campaign to kill California's electric car mandate. 962 01:01:53,509 --> 01:01:57,946 Industries began to see if we don't kill this cancer in California, 963 01:01:58,014 --> 01:02:00,005 it's going to spread to the rest of the country. 964 01:02:00,083 --> 01:02:04,349 I think it became a strategy on the part of many companies 965 01:02:04,420 --> 01:02:06,650 to make it a national issue. 966 01:02:06,756 --> 01:02:09,350 I was even told once by a very prominent congressman 967 01:02:09,425 --> 01:02:11,222 who I shall not mention by name, that 968 01:02:11,294 --> 01:02:16,095 "I could understand and tolerate what you're doing in California, 969 01:02:16,199 --> 01:02:19,965 "but if you ever try to spread your California program" 970 01:02:20,036 --> 01:02:23,631 "to the rest of my country, I'm going to have to do battle with you." 971 01:02:24,807 --> 01:02:28,140 Sometimes, I listen to the energy debate 972 01:02:28,211 --> 01:02:33,148 and I think I'm watching an old movie that was made back in the 70's. 973 01:02:33,349 --> 01:02:40,050 Because the discussion is exactly the same as it was 30 years ago. 974 01:02:40,423 --> 01:02:43,483 Our average vehicle, average car on the road, 975 01:02:43,559 --> 01:02:46,084 is less efficient than it was 20 years ago. 976 01:02:46,329 --> 01:02:48,661 And this is just a complete abdication of leadership. 977 01:02:48,731 --> 01:02:50,596 Political leadership, really. 978 01:02:50,967 --> 01:02:55,802 Because it's impossible to get fuel economy standards passed through the U.S. Congress. 979 01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:01,476 After the OPEC oil embargo in the 1970's, 980 01:03:01,544 --> 01:03:05,344 the U.S. government created Corporate Average Fuel Economy 981 01:03:05,414 --> 01:03:10,082 or CAFE standards, to improve fuel economy in American vehicles. 982 01:03:10,486 --> 01:03:16,789 As a result, in less than 10 years, fuel economy increased by more than 50 percent. 983 01:03:17,059 --> 01:03:21,496 Unfortunately, two decades later, there has been virtually no change. 984 01:03:21,564 --> 01:03:23,759 Jimmy Carter was the last president 985 01:03:23,833 --> 01:03:28,395 that really made energy a high priority. 986 01:03:28,471 --> 01:03:33,306 He devoted his first 90 days in office to put together an energy plan. 987 01:03:33,810 --> 01:03:35,607 I was there as part of it. 988 01:03:35,845 --> 01:03:39,337 No president since then has put that kind of effort into it. 989 01:03:39,682 --> 01:03:45,051 I am tonight setting a clear goal for the energy policy of the United States. 990 01:03:45,621 --> 01:03:49,682 Beginning this moment, this nation will never use 991 01:03:49,759 --> 01:03:55,254 more foreign oil than we did in 1977. Never. 992 01:04:04,006 --> 01:04:08,204 There was a radical change when Ronald Reagan came in 993 01:04:08,277 --> 01:04:12,976 and took down the solar panels off the White House roof that Jimmy had put up, 994 01:04:13,049 --> 01:04:16,109 and esentially, declared war on the sun. 995 01:04:16,185 --> 01:04:20,184 I've put a freeze on pending regulations and set up a task force 996 01:04:20,623 --> 01:04:23,649 under vice president Bush to review regulations 997 01:04:23,726 --> 01:04:26,422 with an eye toward getting rid of as many as possible. 998 01:04:26,696 --> 01:04:30,496 I have de-controlled oil, which should result in more domestic production 999 01:04:30,566 --> 01:04:32,693 and less dependance on foreign oil. 1000 01:04:32,768 --> 01:04:36,295 When Reagan came in, he was not a supporter of fuel economy, 1001 01:04:36,372 --> 01:04:38,738 of conservation, of renewables. 1002 01:04:38,975 --> 01:04:42,843 In the mid 1980's, he basically stopped any improvement 1003 01:04:42,912 --> 01:04:45,244 in fuel economy standards for cars. 1004 01:04:45,448 --> 01:04:48,110 And then, in 1985, the prices of oil collapsed. 1005 01:04:48,551 --> 01:04:52,814 I would not lay all of the blame at Ronald Reagan's feet, by any means. 1006 01:04:53,956 --> 01:04:57,517 I think he had his share of responsibility, but so did the Saudis, 1007 01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:01,218 who made a very calculating decision, 1008 01:05:01,797 --> 01:05:04,231 to drop the price of oil dramatically, 1009 01:05:04,934 --> 01:05:08,836 principally to ensure that none of these alternative fuels 1010 01:05:10,039 --> 01:05:16,069 and energy saving measures really produced the desired results. 1011 01:05:16,746 --> 01:05:21,376 So they kept the junkie hooked up, in other words. 1012 01:05:21,450 --> 01:05:26,979 And as a result, we are today still addicted to oil. 1013 01:05:28,858 --> 01:05:31,156 When Clinton came in, and I worked for Clinton, 1014 01:05:31,227 --> 01:05:35,891 we were definitely quite interested in trying to come up with alternatives 1015 01:05:35,965 --> 01:05:37,990 and improve the fuel economy of the fleet. 1016 01:05:38,067 --> 01:05:40,968 Politically, it was still very unattractive. 1017 01:05:41,070 --> 01:05:43,504 The automobile lobby was quite powerful then, 1018 01:05:43,572 --> 01:05:47,440 so the administration kind of made a bargain with the automobile companies, 1019 01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:50,172 this partnership for new generation of vehicles 1020 01:05:50,246 --> 01:05:52,237 where we would develop hybrid vehicles, 1021 01:05:52,315 --> 01:05:55,614 a combination of a gasoline engine and an electric drive train. 1022 01:05:55,718 --> 01:05:59,154 In return, we wouldn't really pursue fuel economy standards. 1023 01:05:59,822 --> 01:06:02,154 I've never met a five year old kid like this in my life. 1024 01:06:02,224 --> 01:06:05,193 He said: "I'm glad to meet you, Mr. President." 1025 01:06:05,261 --> 01:06:08,856 "I want you to make a car that runs on electricity and doesn't pollute the air." 1026 01:06:10,266 --> 01:06:12,393 I was so impressed, I went to get Al Gore 1027 01:06:12,468 --> 01:06:14,197 and I introduced him to this five year old boy, 1028 01:06:14,270 --> 01:06:18,969 and he said: "Hello, Mr. vice pr�sident. I intend to spend my life working on this." 1029 01:06:19,041 --> 01:06:22,010 "I am going to help you develop an electric car" 1030 01:06:22,078 --> 01:06:23,773 "that has no pollution." 1031 01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:27,311 Al Gore says: "That means we're going to be partners." 1032 01:06:27,383 --> 01:06:28,941 He said: "Yes, I guess so." 1033 01:06:29,018 --> 01:06:32,078 "But you don't understand. I'm going to spend my whole life on this." 1034 01:06:36,425 --> 01:06:40,657 For 8-9 years, we've spent about a billion dollars of taxpayers' money 1035 01:06:40,730 --> 01:06:42,527 to develop hybrid vehicles. 1036 01:06:43,132 --> 01:06:48,160 Ironically, the U.S. car companies didn't put any hybrids on the road. 1037 01:06:48,237 --> 01:06:50,899 In fact, the minute George Bush got elected president, 1038 01:06:50,973 --> 01:06:53,533 the U.S. car companies walked away from hybrids. 1039 01:06:53,609 --> 01:06:55,941 But, and this is the irony, 1040 01:06:56,012 --> 01:06:59,379 the U.S. program got the Japanese very nervous. 1041 01:06:59,448 --> 01:07:03,885 So Toyota and Honda, in response, developed hybrids, 1042 01:07:04,053 --> 01:07:06,214 because they didn't want to be beaten by the U.S. 1043 01:07:12,795 --> 01:07:16,162 Now, they lure people into thinking they're doing something 1044 01:07:16,232 --> 01:07:18,393 but they sweet-talk. 1045 01:07:18,467 --> 01:07:21,927 I remember way back we used to have this joke, 1046 01:07:22,171 --> 01:07:24,002 but it's not a joke anymore. 1047 01:07:24,073 --> 01:07:27,531 We're giving the environmentalists the music and the industry the action. 1048 01:07:27,610 --> 01:07:30,738 The second step toward making America less dependant on foreign oil 1049 01:07:30,813 --> 01:07:33,805 is to produce and refine more crude oil here at home 1050 01:07:33,883 --> 01:07:36,477 in environmentally sensitive ways. 1051 01:07:37,953 --> 01:07:40,217 By far the most promising site for oil in America 1052 01:07:40,289 --> 01:07:43,622 is the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska. 1053 01:07:49,398 --> 01:07:53,528 While it is predicted that the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge 1054 01:07:53,602 --> 01:07:58,232 could supply America with slightly more than one year's supply of oil, 1055 01:07:58,607 --> 01:08:03,067 simply raising fuel economy standards to 40 miles per gallon 1056 01:08:03,145 --> 01:08:07,172 could save the same amount of fuel within 15 years. 1057 01:08:15,324 --> 01:08:19,260 The oil industry and the automobile companies 1058 01:08:19,328 --> 01:08:20,989 are resistant to change. 1059 01:08:21,063 --> 01:08:25,898 The American people need to be reminded that it took a law to get seatbelts in the cars. 1060 01:08:26,068 --> 01:08:28,502 It took a law to get airbags in the cars. 1061 01:08:28,571 --> 01:08:32,871 It took a law to get the mileage up from 12 to 20 miles per gallon. 1062 01:08:32,942 --> 01:08:36,605 It took a law to get catalytic converters to control the pollution. 1063 01:08:37,012 --> 01:08:40,971 I think clean cars are too important to be left to the automobile industry. 1064 01:08:48,491 --> 01:08:52,985 The California mandate forced automakers to make electric cars. 1065 01:08:53,195 --> 01:08:56,722 When California changed it, the cars vanished. 1066 01:08:57,333 --> 01:09:01,736 Why did California retreat from the bold law it created? 1067 01:09:02,204 --> 01:09:05,037 Having visited all the car companies, they were saying: 1068 01:09:05,307 --> 01:09:09,107 "Look, we can't produce these increasing numbers of the 1069 01:09:09,178 --> 01:09:11,146 battery electric vehicles." 1070 01:09:11,213 --> 01:09:13,408 And I became convinced that... 1071 01:09:14,083 --> 01:09:17,416 What are we supposed to do here? Is our job to clean the air? 1072 01:09:17,486 --> 01:09:22,583 Or is it to force a certain number of a type of technology out on the road? 1073 01:09:23,759 --> 01:09:27,695 Alan Lloyd failed in his leadership to really steer 1074 01:09:27,763 --> 01:09:31,597 the zero emission vehicle mandate toward a successful outcome. 1075 01:09:31,667 --> 01:09:33,134 Oh, I know Alec very well. 1076 01:09:33,202 --> 01:09:35,693 I know Alec very well. And we had some... 1077 01:09:35,771 --> 01:09:39,229 heartfelt memos come back. 1078 01:09:39,308 --> 01:09:42,835 And it pained me, because I have the utmost respect for Alec. 1079 01:09:43,179 --> 01:09:47,707 And it pained me to be accused 1080 01:09:47,850 --> 01:09:50,910 of basically abanding the battery electrics. 1081 01:09:51,253 --> 01:09:55,053 In addition to his role as chairman of the Air Resources Board, 1082 01:09:55,191 --> 01:09:57,557 Alan Lloyd had another position. 1083 01:09:57,626 --> 01:10:01,494 Just four months before the meeting that killed the electric car, 1084 01:10:01,830 --> 01:10:06,290 Lloyd accepted the chairmanship of the California Fuel Cell Partnership. 1085 01:10:07,636 --> 01:10:09,797 I've been involved with hydrogen since the early 90's. 1086 01:10:09,872 --> 01:10:14,332 When I became chair of ARB ten years later, I knew a lot about hydrogen. 1087 01:10:14,510 --> 01:10:18,640 So for me, I'm very much fact-technology driven. 1088 01:10:18,781 --> 01:10:22,512 Maybe you can say that's an asset or a handicap in the terms of hydrogen 1089 01:10:22,585 --> 01:10:25,315 because I knew what could be done. 1090 01:10:34,096 --> 01:10:36,690 Excuse me while I watch my baby get off here. 1091 01:10:36,765 --> 01:10:38,995 Carmakers convinced California 1092 01:10:39,068 --> 01:10:43,927 that the facts supported the development of hydrogen fuel cell vehicles. 1093 01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:46,936 Were they a better option than electric cars? 1094 01:10:47,543 --> 01:10:51,604 Toyota's national manager of advanced technologies, Bill Reinert, 1095 01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:56,208 took their prototype hydrogen fuel cell SUV on a press tour. 1096 01:10:56,485 --> 01:11:01,184 One of our customers didn't really like this car anywhere nearly as much as the EV1. 1097 01:11:02,458 --> 01:11:06,485 And the reason was not because it would have anything bad about the car, 1098 01:11:06,562 --> 01:11:08,189 the reason was because his EV1, 1099 01:11:08,264 --> 01:11:10,892 he could charge it at home, charge it at work, 1100 01:11:10,966 --> 01:11:13,867 and even though it provided limited range, 1101 01:11:13,936 --> 01:11:17,133 he didn't have to worry about getting his car charged up. 1102 01:11:17,206 --> 01:11:20,903 With this car, with a limited access to a hydrogen filling station, 1103 01:11:20,976 --> 01:11:23,877 he said he'd spend his whole day planning how to get hydrogen 1104 01:11:23,946 --> 01:11:24,970 in the car and how to get back. 1105 01:11:25,047 --> 01:11:26,742 It's growing humbly. 1106 01:11:26,815 --> 01:11:29,249 The more you know, the more you realize 1107 01:11:29,318 --> 01:11:33,015 you really don't know what issues are going to be put forward. 1108 01:11:33,222 --> 01:11:34,883 The number one worst question is: 1109 01:11:34,957 --> 01:11:37,585 "When can... When will that be on the market?" 1110 01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:41,727 When will that be on the market? That's the worst question. 1111 01:11:41,964 --> 01:11:44,091 Consumers are probably going to want to know 1112 01:11:44,166 --> 01:11:46,760 how long it would be for this to be mass produced. 1113 01:11:46,835 --> 01:11:48,234 That's quite a ways off. 1114 01:11:48,304 --> 01:11:51,432 We've got some real technical issues we've got to solve, with hydrogen storage 1115 01:11:51,507 --> 01:11:53,441 with durability, with cost reduction. 1116 01:11:53,509 --> 01:11:55,977 Is it a practical solution at this point? 1117 01:11:56,078 --> 01:11:57,841 The cars have a limited range, 1118 01:11:57,913 --> 01:12:02,407 the durability of the car isn't very good... Let me see, what else? 1119 01:12:02,484 --> 01:12:04,509 They don't do well in cold weather. 1120 01:12:04,586 --> 01:12:06,520 Other than that, they're great. 1121 01:12:06,955 --> 01:12:08,445 Have you ever been to a dog race? 1122 01:12:08,524 --> 01:12:11,357 There's the mechanical rabbit that's out in front 1123 01:12:11,427 --> 01:12:13,486 and the dogs never quite reach it. 1124 01:12:13,562 --> 01:12:18,158 Well, the fuel cell is the equivalent of that mechanical rabbit. 1125 01:12:18,300 --> 01:12:19,324 We're going for it. 1126 01:12:19,401 --> 01:12:24,464 For the last 15 years they've been telling us the fuel cells are 10 to 15 years off. 1127 01:12:25,874 --> 01:12:26,863 You're an oil company. 1128 01:12:26,942 --> 01:12:29,100 Your business is to be selling a fuel. 1129 01:12:29,712 --> 01:12:32,146 They think that it's a long time off, 30 years, 1130 01:12:32,414 --> 01:12:34,075 and they want to have a product that sells. 1131 01:12:34,149 --> 01:12:36,242 From that point, they're protecting themselves 1132 01:12:36,318 --> 01:12:39,617 but the other side is that they're protecting the status quo. 1133 00:12:39,989 --> 01:12:42,618 We see in Scientific American 1134 01:12:42,691 --> 01:12:46,388 a double page ad by General Motors and Shell both 1135 01:12:46,462 --> 01:12:48,896 touting both the fuel cell that General Motors is doing 1136 01:12:48,964 --> 01:12:51,865 and also Shell as a potential supplier of hydrogen. 1137 01:12:55,304 --> 01:12:59,866 If hydrogen can do a better job as an energy carrier than electricity, 1138 01:13:00,042 --> 01:13:03,808 then by gosh, it should be the carrier of choice. 1139 01:13:04,613 --> 01:13:06,808 The problem is, it's not even close. 1140 01:13:06,882 --> 01:13:09,510 How far would this car ride on environmental fuel? 1141 01:13:09,585 --> 01:13:14,522 It's approximately about a 100-125 miles. 1142 01:13:14,757 --> 01:13:17,590 Good. Interesting. 1143 01:13:17,826 --> 01:13:21,853 A fuel cell car powered by hydrogen made with electricity 1144 01:13:21,930 --> 01:13:26,697 uses three to four times more energy than a car powered by batteries. 1145 01:13:27,603 --> 01:13:30,333 This is the beginning of a fantastic technology, 1146 01:13:30,406 --> 01:13:32,897 and thanks for having us out here. 1147 01:13:32,975 --> 01:13:35,205 We're going to look at some other vehicles in a minute, 1148 01:13:35,277 --> 01:13:39,407 but, hydrogen is the way of the future. 1149 01:13:39,515 --> 01:13:42,916 Today, there's a lot of enthusiasm for hydrogen cars 1150 01:13:43,185 --> 01:13:46,120 but, I wrote the whole book "The Hype About Hydrogen". 1151 01:13:46,523 --> 01:13:51,115 I think it's pretty clear that hydrogen is a much tougher alternative fuel 1152 01:13:51,193 --> 01:13:53,957 than any other alternative fuel we've ever pursued. 1153 01:13:54,029 --> 01:13:55,997 These are the five miracles that you need 1154 01:13:56,064 --> 01:13:57,793 for a successful hydrogen car in the marketplace. 1155 01:13:58,334 --> 01:14:01,829 First, your average hydrogen car costs a million dollars. 1156 01:14:02,104 --> 01:14:03,230 That's got to drop. 1157 01:14:04,673 --> 01:14:09,337 Second, no known material to humankind can store enough hydrogen onboard the car 1158 01:14:09,411 --> 01:14:10,901 to give you the range people want. 1159 01:14:11,281 --> 01:14:15,348 Miracle number three. The fuel is wildly expensive. 1160 01:14:15,417 --> 01:14:20,377 Even hydrogen from dirty fossil fuels is 2 or 3 times more expensive than gasoline. 1161 01:14:20,757 --> 01:14:24,191 Fourth, you have to have the fueling infrastructure. 1162 01:14:24,259 --> 01:14:26,523 We have a 180 000 gas stations. 1163 01:14:26,595 --> 01:14:30,258 Someone's going to have to build at least 10 or 20 thousand hydrogen fueling stations 1164 01:14:30,332 --> 01:14:32,926 before anybody is going to be very interested. 1165 01:14:33,269 --> 01:14:35,627 Miracle five is - you have to hope and pray 1166 01:14:35,704 --> 01:14:39,196 that the competitors in the marketplace don't get any better. 1167 01:14:39,274 --> 01:14:44,143 Because right now, the best car in the marketplace just got a lot better, 1168 01:14:44,213 --> 01:14:45,237 the hybrid vehicle. 1169 01:14:45,581 --> 01:14:47,905 Still runs on gasoline, you can fuel it everywhere, 1170 01:14:47,983 --> 01:14:49,678 it has twice the range of a regular car. 1171 01:14:49,886 --> 01:14:52,615 Current hybrid vehicles depend on gasoline, 1172 01:14:53,755 --> 01:14:57,213 but use an electric motor to increase their fuel economy. 1173 01:14:57,292 --> 01:15:01,355 And if battery technology keeps getting steadily better, 1174 01:15:02,097 --> 01:15:06,397 than the best hybrid, and then plug-in hybrid in the year 2020 1175 01:15:06,468 --> 01:15:10,234 will be vastly superior to the best hydrogen car. 1176 01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:15,007 You guys have filmed me long enought to know 1177 01:15:15,077 --> 01:15:18,240 that I'm not going to dance around the issue. 1178 01:15:18,313 --> 01:15:21,771 And these could be a long ways out into the future. 1179 01:15:24,319 --> 01:15:27,117 Toyota says: "Fuel cell cars, 30 years away." 1180 01:15:27,189 --> 01:15:30,386 Then I get the calls from the Department of Energy and the State of California: 1181 01:15:30,459 --> 01:15:31,721 "What the hell are you doing?" 1182 01:15:31,793 --> 01:15:34,091 And all the other fuel cell manufacturers: 1183 01:15:34,162 --> 01:15:37,893 "We're trying to make a living here..." 1184 01:15:37,966 --> 01:15:39,228 It's awful. 1185 01:15:40,369 --> 01:15:43,338 Just because a lot of people want it to work, it's no guarantee. 1186 01:15:43,405 --> 01:15:46,272 That's Disneyland, you know - wishing makes it come true. 1187 01:15:46,341 --> 01:15:48,434 I don't work in Disneyland. 1188 01:15:48,777 --> 01:15:51,439 I work in the real world, where wishing doesn't make it come true 1189 01:15:51,513 --> 01:15:55,449 and you really have to work hard to make it come true. Hopefully we do. 1190 01:16:02,691 --> 01:16:07,685 On the 27th day of their vigil, activists finally heard from GM. 1191 01:16:17,039 --> 01:16:21,271 Paul Scott called: "Are you guys busy? They're hauling in the cars right now." 1192 01:16:21,343 --> 01:16:23,903 "GM is loading the cars on trucks right now!" 1193 01:16:23,979 --> 01:16:24,968 "What, what?" 1194 01:16:25,047 --> 01:16:28,210 "Yeah, we'll drop everything and run on out there right now." 1195 01:16:35,424 --> 01:16:37,016 They've loaded them up, 1196 01:16:37,092 --> 01:16:40,152 tires screeching, and panels cracking against each other 1197 01:16:40,228 --> 01:16:42,389 as they shoved them onto the tracks. 1198 01:16:47,302 --> 01:16:49,532 We're up against most of the money in the world. 1199 01:16:49,605 --> 01:16:52,904 We're up against the oil industry, the automobile industry. 1200 01:16:53,308 --> 01:16:57,836 It's David versus Goliath in a very big way 1201 01:16:58,614 --> 01:17:02,277 but if there are enough Davids in the world, we can win. 1202 01:17:09,725 --> 01:17:12,057 GM, shame on you! 1203 01:17:15,063 --> 01:17:18,931 General Motors is taking the EV1's out of here, 1204 01:17:19,434 --> 01:17:20,765 destroying them, 1205 01:17:20,836 --> 01:17:22,997 doing the work of the oil companies. 1206 01:17:24,339 --> 01:17:27,672 We're going to ask you guys just to give us some grass area 1207 01:17:27,743 --> 01:17:29,734 If you could just get out of the driveway for us 1208 01:17:29,811 --> 01:17:32,939 so we don't have to put cuffs on anybody. Thank you. 1209 01:17:57,239 --> 01:17:59,070 Don't crush the EV1. 1210 01:18:14,623 --> 01:18:20,755 On March 15th, 2005, the last EV1's in the Burbank lot 1211 01:18:20,829 --> 01:18:22,990 were taken away and destroyed. 1212 01:19:29,399 --> 01:19:32,262 - Alright, come on in. - Cool. 1213 01:19:32,334 --> 01:19:34,928 We'll go down to the vault and I'll show you the car. 1214 01:19:36,471 --> 01:19:37,870 I miss this little car. 1215 01:19:37,939 --> 01:19:40,373 Yeah. We love having it. 1216 01:19:40,442 --> 01:19:43,570 We have a number of electric vehicles in the collection, and the hybrids, 1217 01:19:43,645 --> 01:19:45,977 but we're especially happy about this. 1218 01:19:47,315 --> 01:19:49,340 This is a special one. 1219 01:19:49,951 --> 01:19:52,784 - There she is. - My baby! 1220 01:19:58,160 --> 01:19:59,252 Number 99. 1221 01:20:00,929 --> 01:20:03,762 - You might recognize this car. - I do. It was Chris's car. 1222 01:20:03,832 --> 01:20:04,924 Sure was. 1223 01:20:07,469 --> 01:20:08,697 Please, have a seat. 1224 01:20:08,770 --> 01:20:11,500 There's only one challenge, it doesn't start up. 1225 01:20:12,874 --> 01:20:15,866 You know that General Motors disabled them. 1226 01:20:15,944 --> 01:20:18,208 - I know. - We wish they didn't, but they had to. 1227 01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:20,441 So we understand that. We're just happy to have it. 1228 01:20:20,515 --> 01:20:21,504 Yeah. 1229 01:20:21,783 --> 01:20:24,115 That is such an important part of automotive history. 1230 01:20:24,186 --> 01:20:25,653 - It is... - To have a manufacturer like 1231 01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:28,780 General Motors participate in this program. It's wonderful. 1232 01:20:28,857 --> 01:20:32,088 The thing is, it shouldn't be a part of automotive history. 1233 01:20:48,944 --> 01:20:52,045 Ever since 1939, they would dangle this electric car. 1234 01:20:52,581 --> 01:20:54,014 They'd have a few models out there. 1235 01:20:54,082 --> 01:20:56,573 They'd say that's something in another few years. 1236 01:20:56,651 --> 01:20:59,484 And it never came. Because they never intended it to come. 1237 01:20:59,554 --> 01:21:02,682 They make too much money with the technological stagnation 1238 01:21:02,757 --> 01:21:04,315 in the internal combustion engine. 1239 01:21:08,296 --> 01:21:12,699 If somethin becomes scarce, then there's economic pressures to find alternatives. 1240 01:21:12,801 --> 01:21:15,269 And as long as no alternatives exist, 1241 01:21:15,871 --> 01:21:18,999 the scarce item can become increasingly profitable. 1242 01:21:23,311 --> 01:21:25,506 These are the same batteries that are used in your laptop computer. 1243 01:21:25,580 --> 01:21:28,174 We have 6800 cells. 1244 01:21:28,250 --> 01:21:30,912 And it can go 300 miles on one charge, 1245 01:21:31,219 --> 01:21:33,210 running along at 70 mph. 1246 01:21:33,388 --> 01:21:35,879 It's now 0-60 in 3.6 seconds. 1247 01:21:36,958 --> 01:21:40,257 It's an amazing performance for any car, not just an electric car. 1248 01:21:40,328 --> 01:21:41,886 Those same batteries could be put in EV1 1249 01:21:41,963 --> 01:21:44,591 and make it a 300-mile-range car very easily. 1250 01:21:45,166 --> 01:21:48,226 It's a shame seeing these cars destroyed when you could upgrade them. 1251 01:21:51,273 --> 01:21:53,503 I know what I did and why I did it. 1252 01:21:53,808 --> 01:21:57,039 And if I had to do the same thing again based on the data, 1253 01:21:57,178 --> 01:21:58,577 and I've seen what has happened to date, 1254 01:21:58,647 --> 01:22:00,615 I would do exactly the same thing. 1255 01:22:03,952 --> 01:22:06,284 When we talk about sensible energy policy 1256 01:22:06,354 --> 01:22:09,517 most people hear is: "You're going to make me drive a small car, 1257 01:22:09,591 --> 01:22:11,354 "you're going to make me keep my house cold, 1258 01:22:11,426 --> 01:22:13,519 "and essentially, you're going to make me live like a European." 1259 01:22:18,266 --> 01:22:20,097 It's a lack of leadership. 1260 01:22:20,402 --> 01:22:23,929 It's a lack of being able to take on the oil industry, 1261 01:22:24,139 --> 01:22:26,198 and the automobile industry, 1262 01:22:26,274 --> 01:22:28,606 and recognize that they are not Uncle Sam. 1263 01:22:28,677 --> 01:22:30,838 Uncle Sam has to be Uncle Sam, 1264 01:22:30,946 --> 01:22:33,506 and Uncle Sam is acting like they're General Motors. 1265 01:22:37,218 --> 01:22:39,948 They're squandering huge amounts of money 1266 01:22:40,021 --> 01:22:43,650 on hydrogen cars, which, by any reasonable estimate, 1267 01:22:43,725 --> 01:22:46,091 are not going to be selling in the consumer market 1268 01:22:46,161 --> 01:22:48,493 for two decades at the earliest. 1269 01:22:48,596 --> 01:22:51,531 I think it will go down as one of the biggest blunders 1270 01:22:51,599 --> 01:22:54,067 in the history of the automotive industry. 1271 01:22:58,406 --> 01:23:01,898 Have you never heard that expression: "Death by a million cuts"? 1272 01:23:01,977 --> 01:23:05,242 Little tiny cuts, eventually someone will bleed to death. 1273 01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:13,078 The fight over electric cars was quite simply, a fight about the future. 1274 01:23:14,155 --> 01:23:18,717 Goliath won this round, but now Goliath has new problems. 1275 01:23:19,594 --> 01:23:22,028 Oil prices have soared. 1276 01:23:22,097 --> 01:23:25,396 America is further entangled in the Middle East, 1277 01:23:26,301 --> 01:23:29,566 and global warming is an increasingly serious threat. 1278 01:23:30,205 --> 01:23:32,969 What can we do to reshape the future? 1279 01:23:33,041 --> 01:23:37,171 This city is replete with famous names that are no longer here. 1280 01:23:38,346 --> 01:23:41,674 Why? Because they couldn't adapt to change. 1281 01:23:42,183 --> 01:23:44,045 We all have to adapt to change. 1282 01:23:44,586 --> 01:23:47,954 Don't debate about who's to blame or what to blame. 1283 01:23:48,223 --> 01:23:49,815 Let's build new industries. 1284 01:23:49,891 --> 01:23:52,257 Let's make America strong again. 1285 01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:56,690 Chelsea continues her work with a new group called Plug In America, 1286 01:23:56,898 --> 01:23:59,196 working with citizens across the political spectrum 1287 01:23:59,267 --> 01:24:02,202 to promote an independant energy future. 1288 01:24:02,804 --> 01:24:05,830 I met Jim Woolsey at an event, and as it turns out 1289 01:24:05,907 --> 01:24:08,239 he was already a bit of a fan of stuff that we were doing, 1290 01:24:08,309 --> 01:24:10,539 and he's come to work with Plug In America. 1291 01:24:10,612 --> 01:24:14,275 That's one example of the types of relationships that have to exist 1292 01:24:14,349 --> 01:24:16,544 in order to further what we all want. 1293 01:24:16,852 --> 01:24:21,913 I've served in four administrations, with presidential appointments, 1294 01:24:21,990 --> 01:24:25,187 all in different aspects of national security. 1295 01:24:25,260 --> 01:24:28,093 And the fact that two thirds of the world's proven reserves of oil 1296 01:24:28,163 --> 01:24:31,564 are in the Middle East, and that we're so dependant on that part of our world, 1297 01:24:31,633 --> 01:24:34,124 is a very big national security question. 1298 01:24:34,869 --> 01:24:36,268 Behind me there are two things. 1299 01:24:36,337 --> 01:24:39,898 One is a Prius, hybrid gasoline-electric Toyota, 1300 01:24:40,208 --> 01:24:42,267 and an electrical substation. 1301 01:24:42,343 --> 01:24:44,607 Today, they don't have much to do with one another, 1302 01:24:44,679 --> 01:24:48,410 but there's a chance that they might be able to have something to do with one another 1303 01:24:48,483 --> 01:24:49,814 in a positive way. 1304 01:24:49,884 --> 01:24:54,685 And that's where I think that the plug-in hybrid is the natural next step, 1305 01:24:54,989 --> 01:24:57,219 and that it is avilable to us today. 1306 01:24:57,992 --> 01:25:00,017 This is a plug-in hybrid Prius, 1307 01:25:00,095 --> 01:25:04,156 which is a modification to a normal Toyota Prius 1308 01:25:04,232 --> 01:25:06,666 that allows you to travel... 1309 01:25:06,734 --> 01:25:10,864 Which gives you up to 150-180 miles per gallon 1310 01:25:10,939 --> 01:25:12,963 for the first 50 to 60 miles of the day. 1311 01:25:13,775 --> 01:25:16,903 We don't need an expensive charging infrastructure to use this car. 1312 01:25:16,978 --> 01:25:19,242 You can just plug it in anywhere in your garage. 1313 01:25:19,314 --> 01:25:22,477 So we make the environmentalists happy because it's cleaner. 1314 01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:27,817 We make the neo-conservatives happy because it uses less gasoline. 1315 01:25:27,889 --> 01:25:30,380 Well, everyone's happy because it uses less gasoline. 1316 01:25:30,458 --> 01:25:34,451 Plugging in could go a long way to reducing our dependence on oil. 1317 01:25:35,830 --> 01:25:39,095 And generating that electricity with the wind and the sun 1318 01:25:39,167 --> 01:25:41,727 would create even less pollution. 1319 01:25:42,403 --> 01:25:47,431 With his battery technology in most hybrid cars, Ovshinsky has also built 1320 01:25:47,509 --> 01:25:50,945 one of the largest thin-film solar factories in the world. 1321 01:25:51,012 --> 01:25:53,446 This is just an ordinary steel roof. 1322 01:25:55,083 --> 01:25:57,278 And this is with the adhesive. 1323 01:25:57,352 --> 01:26:00,810 You just put the shingles down. 1324 01:26:00,889 --> 01:26:03,255 You're in there. You've run your wires down. 1325 01:26:03,324 --> 01:26:05,155 Everything is plug-and-play. 1326 01:26:06,094 --> 01:26:09,928 Anybody that wants to make a revolution shouldn't grab a gun. 1327 01:26:10,231 --> 01:26:13,359 Just go and start working like we do 1328 01:26:13,434 --> 01:26:16,767 to change the world by using science and technology. 1329 01:26:19,174 --> 01:26:20,903 I am so optimistic about the future. 1330 01:26:20,975 --> 01:26:24,342 Even given everything that we've seen, and all of the EV wars, 1331 01:26:24,412 --> 01:26:25,936 I remain an optimist. 1332 01:26:27,115 --> 01:26:29,379 One of the things that makes America work 1333 01:26:29,450 --> 01:26:36,520 is this rampant grassroots agitation for things that are new. 1334 01:26:37,125 --> 01:26:40,720 When you get a coalition of that size, and that surprising character, 1335 01:26:40,795 --> 01:26:42,353 you get politicians' attention. 1336 01:26:42,631 --> 01:26:44,759 And here we have a serious problem: 1337 01:26:44,832 --> 01:26:46,891 America is addicted to oil. 1338 01:26:46,968 --> 01:26:50,335 I call all this a potential coalition between the tree-huggers, 1339 01:26:50,405 --> 01:26:54,136 the do-gooders, the sod-busters, the cheap-hawks and the evangelicals. 1340 01:26:54,843 --> 01:26:57,743 That's a pretty good-sized coalition. 1341 01:26:57,812 --> 01:27:04,115 We are about to enter into a world that is truly renewable and completely clean 1342 01:27:04,185 --> 01:27:07,052 if we just had the willpower to implement it. 1343 01:27:07,121 --> 01:27:09,782 You don't have to wait for major auto companies. You can do it yourself, 1344 01:27:09,924 --> 01:27:11,221 like I'm doing here. 1345 01:27:11,292 --> 01:27:12,691 Old cars, new cars - doesn't really matter. 1346 01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:14,387 I can convert anything. 1347 01:27:14,596 --> 01:27:15,961 You haven't seen anything yet. 1348 01:27:16,030 --> 01:27:17,897 The future is going to be very bright in this area, 1349 01:27:18,166 --> 01:27:20,327 and the forces are all pushing in that direction, 1350 01:27:20,401 --> 01:27:23,462 both the economic and technological forces. 1351 01:27:23,738 --> 01:27:25,672 Once people see these things, 1352 01:27:25,740 --> 01:27:27,901 they say: "Wow, I want to do this!" 1353 01:27:28,076 --> 01:27:30,067 And so the word is getting out. 1354 01:27:30,712 --> 01:27:33,272 That gives us hope. 1355 01:27:33,915 --> 01:27:39,114 Hope that we can end up our lives having achieved what we set out to do. 1356 01:27:39,187 --> 01:27:40,279 And we have. 1357 01:27:40,355 --> 01:27:43,119 And you still have so many years you want to do things. 1358 01:27:43,191 --> 01:27:44,249 I wouldn't have enought time.. 1359 01:27:52,776 --> 01:27:55,967 Subtitles by timbouctou 127391

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