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ASANTE: I would definitely characterize myself
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as a survivor.
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KANIKA: I do see myself as a victim of R. Kelly.
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LISA:
I was a victim.
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JERHONDA: I don't consider myself a victim.
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LISA:
I am a survivor.
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JERHONDA:
I lived it
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and I survived it.
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INTERVIEWER: Why do you want to tell your story now?
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I felt like my silence
allowed it to continue.
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I worked up the courage to come
forward and tell my story.
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A part of me always felt
like maybe I did something
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for him to treat me that way.
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I want my story to be heard
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so people could take
this situation seriously.
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But when I found out
it wasn't just me...
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I just don't want it
to get any worse.
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KANIKA:
And it was just...
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It just kept going
and going and going.
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I just wanted to know
that it's not...
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You know, you're not alone.
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They're not alone.
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KANIKA:
It just made me...
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furious.
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I decided
that enough was enough.
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(sighs)
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INTERVIEWER:
Can you describe
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the physical abuse?
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(mumbles)
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(crying)
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I think I can't really talk
about being abused.
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It's-it's, like...
it brings back memories,
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and it's, it's very painful
to have to talk about it again.
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-I'm sorry.
-INTERVIEWER: It's okay.
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(crying continues)
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WOMAN:
I met R. Kelly when I was 14.
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WOMAN 2: When I met him, I was 17 years old.
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WOMAN 3:
I wanted to be a singer.
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WOMAN 4:
I wanted to be a dancer.
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WOMAN 5: We thought we were gonna be stars.
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MAN:
I think my daughter's
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going through prison right now.
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We got a tip that she's here.
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Oh, say
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Can you see...
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In the middle of all
of these allegations,
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R. Kelly's just dropping music.
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His songs were a huge part
of the soundtrack of our lives.
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I believe I can fly.
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Songs like "Ignition."
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It's the remix to "Ignition"
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Hot and fresh
out the kitchen.
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"I Wish."
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I'll see you again some day
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I wish, I wish, I wish.
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He had a voice
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that was incredible.
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LESLIE SEGAR:
Women loved the way he looked,
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the way he sounded.
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KANIKA:
People looked at him
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as the king of RandB.
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He was the biggest artist
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in the recording industry at that time
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in terms of actual record sales.
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GEM PRATTS: Robert was working with everyone.
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Snoop, C line Dion,
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Michael Jordan, Janet Jackson.
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ANN POWERS:
He worked with Michael Jackson.
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He worked with Jay-Z,
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Whitney Houston, Lady Gaga.
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R. Kelly was part of that superstar milieu.
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WOMAN:
He was a hero.
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-Robert, how do you feel?
-Was it you on the tape?
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MIKE JERRICK:
RandB superstar
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R. Kelly on trial
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for allegedly videotaping himself
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having sex with an underage girl.
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NEWSWOMAN: Jurors found him not guilty on all charges.
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R. Kelly has a problem.
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The accusations are now part
of pop culture.
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TOURE:
South Park touched on it.
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Chappelle's Show touched on it.
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After R. Kelly got off trial,
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I'd do the interview.
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He was very nervous.
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Do you like teenage girls?
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When you say "teenage,"
how old are we talking?
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This is an industry
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where anything goes.
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NELSON GEORGE:
He's a font of money.
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He was like a bad boy,
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like an antihero.
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MISS INFO:
You know that he's dirty,
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which is so delusional
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for us to kind of feel like,
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"Oh, it's all good now."
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MAN:
R. Kelly has power
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over these young girls.
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WOMAN:
I had to wait for permission
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to be able to use the bathroom.
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-It's okay. Okay.
-(sobbing)
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Your dad says
he loves you so much.
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CRAIG WILLIAMS:
What the heck is he doing
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hanging around the high school?
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R. Kelly believes he can fly
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and that he is untouchable.
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-PROTESTER: Shame on you!
-PROTESTERS: Shame on you!
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-Shame on you! -Shame on you!
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-Mute R. Kelly!
-Mute R. Kelly!
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POWERS: His performanceswere increasingly pornographic.
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(indistinct chatter)
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-You understand me?
-Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
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Drop your (bleep), big dog.
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That's right.
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I am handcuffed,
like a lot of you mother(bleep).
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I'm handcuffed by my destiny.
It's too late.
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They should've did this (bleep)
30 years ago.
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-It's too late.
-Tell 'em, R.
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(children chattering)
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My family grew up in Altgeld
Gardens housing projects.
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(children continue chattering)
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My name is Carey Kelly,
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and I'm R. Kelly's baby brother.
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Theresa's the oldest.
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Bruce is the second oldest.
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Robert, and then myself.
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CAREY: Even though we grew up living in the projects,
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Robert is not cut from a cloth
of being street.
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He was mild-mannered, afraid.
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He didn't come outside.
He stayed
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in the house and played with his keyboard.
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My name's Bruce Kelly.
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In my earliest childhood memories,
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Robert was shy and very timid,
you know.
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If you'd stare at him
in his face, he'd start crying.
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We would have to urge him on to sing
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'cause he was really shy,
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and he would sing with his back turned to people
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so he wouldn't have to look them in the face.
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CHANEY:
R. Kelly grew up
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in the church.
His mother sang in the church.
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BRUCE: My mother was the lead singer of the choir.
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She would make people catch
the spirits, as they call them.
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She was a very big fan of Aretha Franklin,
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Gladys Knight, Chaka Khan.
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When she would do Gladys Knight,
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we would be her Pips.
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So it just grew.
We just, we loved music
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just as much as she did.
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Robert had problems reading
and writing.
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He did apply hisself. He-he took tutoring
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and-and things of that nature.
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He just couldn't...
he couldn't grasp a hold to it.
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One day I came home,
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Robert was locked
in the bathroom.
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He wing.
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I knock on the door. "Robert."
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He tried to straight... "Yeah."
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I said,
"What's wrong with you, man?"
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Broke down,
started crying again.
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"I'm just tired
of these kids always teasing me
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'cause I can't read."
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I'm like, "Man, look, let me tell you something.
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"It gonna be the same kids that's gonna be crying
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because you're famous."
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He taught hisself
to play by ear.
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What he hear...
If he hear a beat in his head,
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he'd pick it until he...
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until that beat come alive.
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He would hum it and sing it,
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versus having
to write it musically
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or, you know,
write or read music.
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He actually gravitated
to it like...
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It's-it's like he knew
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that-that was his purpose.
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My name is Craig Williams. I've known Rob about...
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30 years, I guess.
I met him back in the late '80s.
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I was at-at the recording studio Chicago Trax.
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Gavin Christopher was an artist in Chicago.
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He came to the studio,
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and he brought this kid with him.
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And the kid was Rob.
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He had a little
white Casio piano.
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Gavin says,"You got to check this kid out.
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He can really sing."
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He said, "Sing for him."
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Rob turned on his piano,
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and he started singing a song about roses
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or something like that.
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He had a voice
that was incredible.
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R. KELLY: Like anything else when you're a child,
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whatever you're taught, um...
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it goes with you.
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CAREY: Once we moved out the projects...
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a lot of things changed
for the worse.
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I recently saw the interview,
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uh, that R. Kelly did
with Tavis Smiley...
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...which was striking.
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SMILEY: At eight or nine years of age, you talk in the book
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about how exposed you were
to sex.
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You saw it. There were adults
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who should not have been but were coming on to you
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even when you were a child.
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What'd that do to you
to be exposed to sex
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at that early age?
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(sighs)
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Well...
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um, I'm not gonna throw any of my people
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or... my family under a bus,
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but I feel I owe my fans, um...
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...at least enough for them
to have an understanding
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as to what I went through.
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And, yes,
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I was molested when I was a...
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from seven on to maybe 13, 14,
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something like that, uh,
by people in my family.
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R. KELLY:
I was molested when I was seven
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on to maybe 13, 14,
something like that,
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uh, by people in my family.
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Sexually, it woke up my hormones
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a lot earlier than it...
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they were supposed
to be awakened.
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When you're a child, you don't really know.
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You only see,
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and you learn,
and you try to figure it out.
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It enhances your curiosity before its time.
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You're not supposed
to be curious about sex,
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because you're not supposed
to see sex right now.
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I believe that-that Robert...
that it's possible.
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I don't think that he...
If he's saying that,
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I don't think that he's lying.
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Because it happened to me.
It happened to me.
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You know, I really don't talkto people about a lot of things
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that... that I have been going through.
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I just... I just keep it and hold it.
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I was molested by a family member,
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and that...
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shook my world, you know,
'cause I-I didn't understand it.
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Um, I knew it wasn't right,
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even though I was
six years old at that time.
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I knew it wasn't right,
but it was happening to me.
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I was afraid
to tell my mom, um...
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um, because of the person,
who they were.
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I-I didn't...
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I didn't know
if she was gonna...
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believe me,
so I was afraid to tell her.
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Robert, him being my big brother,
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I brought that to him
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and told-told him what happened to me.
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And when I told him what happened to me,
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um...
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he didn't, he didn't really respond to it
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like I felt that he should.
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When-when I told him, he said,
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"No, that didn't,
that didn't happen,
257
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that didn't happen to you."
258
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And I said, "Yes, it did."
259
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You know, Robert said,
"No, it didn't."
260
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Then I left it alone.
261
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I really knew not to take it
to my mom then.
262
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My brothers was the test.
263
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If they believed me, then maybe
I could've took it to an adult.
264
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Child sexual abuse confuses
power and control with sex.
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And so...
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children may want to say, like,
267
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"I want to be the one that's
in that power position," right?
268
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269
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I met Robert
at Kenwood High School.
270
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We were in the choir together.
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Under Dr. Lena McLin.
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JAMILAH LEMIEUX:
One of the crown jewels
273
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in Kenwood Academy's,
you know, reputation
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is their concert choir under
the direction of Dr. Lena McLin.
275
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GEM:
She was truly like...
276
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Rob's surrogate mother.
277
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She loved that boy, took him under her wing,
278
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and...
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really made him and honed him
280
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into being the singer
that he is today.
281
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My grandma taught at Kenwood
Academy as a music teacher.
282
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So don't nobody think I'm hard,
'cause I'm really very nice.
283
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She was more than just a music teacher to a lot of people.
284
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She was a mother to a lot
of people, and still is.
285
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My grandma's taught
so many students,
286
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and... of the notable students,
287
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Mandy Patinkin,
288
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Da Brat,
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Jennifer Hudson,
290
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Chaka Khan,
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just to name a few.
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LENA:
I was impressed,
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and I was amazed,
294
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because he was musically...
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uh, genius material.
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INTERVIEWER: Did he ever talk
about his home life?
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No, he didn't talk about that,
298
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but you knew about it, because
it came out in the music...
299
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in what-what they express,
you know.
300
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Children express what they fear,
301
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they love, that's around them, you know.
302
00:15:42,642 --> 00:15:45,510
And he was very...
303
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very aggressive.
304
00:15:48,615 --> 00:15:49,781
(laughs)
305
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What do you mean by aggressive?
306
00:15:51,918 --> 00:15:56,721
Well, yeah, aggressive in some
of his sexual language, too.
307
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Which we had to discuss
308
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and say that it wouldn't be
appropriate to school.
309
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It wouldn't really be...
really be appropriate, period.
310
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GEM:
He dropped out senior year.
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You saw his confidence...
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kind of swell
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once he realized he had a gift,
314
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you know, when it came to, uh, singing.
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CAREY:
He got noticed...
316
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basically, when he actually went
to Natalie Cole's Big Break.
317
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Robert said,
"I'm gonna win the show.
318
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I'm gonna win the show."
319
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You had the best talent,
you know, in the, in the nation,
320
00:16:34,561 --> 00:16:36,961
and it whittled down
to two groups.
321
00:16:37,063 --> 00:16:38,996
Okay, for R. Kelly and MGM,
322
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-they received 280 points.
-(cheering)
323
00:16:41,568 --> 00:16:44,669
R. Kelly and MGM is
the champion!
324
00:16:44,704 --> 00:16:47,338
A hundred thousand dollars!
325
00:16:47,374 --> 00:16:48,906
Hello!
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327
00:16:53,413 --> 00:16:57,315
CAREY: That's when all the labels start calling,
328
00:16:57,417 --> 00:16:59,016
and that's when he took off.
329
00:16:59,052 --> 00:17:03,855
Once he signed to Jive Records,
it was a wrap.
330
00:17:06,793 --> 00:17:08,426
331
00:17:08,461 --> 00:17:10,862
And I heard a lot about Rob going
332
00:17:10,964 --> 00:17:13,531
to Kenwood High School
to, to hang out,
333
00:17:13,633 --> 00:17:16,100
and I always wondered,
what the heck is he doing
334
00:17:16,136 --> 00:17:18,002
hanging around the high school?
335
00:17:18,104 --> 00:17:23,474
He's... left high school many years ago.
336
00:17:23,576 --> 00:17:25,576
337
00:17:30,750 --> 00:17:32,216
My name is Jovante Cunningham.
338
00:17:32,252 --> 00:17:35,253
I have known Robert Kelly since 1991.
339
00:17:35,288 --> 00:17:38,222
At that time, I was about 14.
340
00:17:38,258 --> 00:17:40,358
I met him through
a dear friend of mine,
341
00:17:40,460 --> 00:17:41,526
Tiffany.
342
00:17:41,628 --> 00:17:44,529
She was also, uh, yeah, 14.
343
00:17:44,631 --> 00:17:46,497
He was an upcoming artist.
344
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She knew him prior to me meeting her.
345
00:17:49,803 --> 00:17:52,303
I believe they met at Kenwood High School,
346
00:17:52,338 --> 00:17:54,272
and she asked,
347
00:17:54,307 --> 00:17:56,374
"You want to go down and meet so and so?"
348
00:17:56,476 --> 00:17:57,608
And I'm like, "Who is that?"
349
00:17:57,644 --> 00:17:59,043
And we went.
350
00:17:59,145 --> 00:18:01,312
And that's how it started.
351
00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:05,450
Ooh.
352
00:18:05,485 --> 00:18:07,952
Wasn't something that
was talked about, you know.
353
00:18:07,987 --> 00:18:09,387
I don't remember
actually saying,
354
00:18:09,489 --> 00:18:11,389
"Hey, by the way,
how old are you?"
355
00:18:11,424 --> 00:18:15,126
We were doing the background vocals
356
00:18:15,161 --> 00:18:17,395
for the Born into the 90's
album.
357
00:18:17,497 --> 00:18:20,731
He would just ask us
to come into the studio,
358
00:18:20,834 --> 00:18:22,967
and, "You sing this,
you sing this,
359
00:18:23,002 --> 00:18:25,236
you sing that,
y'all sing it together."
360
00:18:25,338 --> 00:18:27,789
And that's how it would go.
361
00:18:27,824 --> 00:18:31,592
I wanted to be
a professional singer.
362
00:18:31,694 --> 00:18:34,495
You're up close and personal with, um, someone
363
00:18:34,531 --> 00:18:36,831
who is potentially going to be...
364
00:18:36,866 --> 00:18:39,167
seen in the... in the world,
365
00:18:39,202 --> 00:18:42,303
and... you're young, you know?
366
00:18:42,405 --> 00:18:44,305
You're excited.
You think, "Wow," you know?
367
00:18:44,407 --> 00:18:46,507
"Who's this person?"
and "What do you got going on?"
368
00:18:46,543 --> 00:18:48,442
and "Can I hear your music?"
369
00:18:48,545 --> 00:18:50,011
And that was the first time
I heard "Honey Love,"
370
00:18:50,046 --> 00:18:51,946
and I was like, "Wow!"
371
00:18:52,048 --> 00:18:55,249
'Cause there is
something' that
372
00:18:55,285 --> 00:18:57,185
I want from you...
373
00:18:57,220 --> 00:18:59,420
A very talented
young man, and...
374
00:18:59,455 --> 00:19:02,657
his ability to create music
is ingenious.
375
00:19:02,759 --> 00:19:05,126
It really is.
He's truly a talent.
376
00:19:05,228 --> 00:19:07,628
377
00:19:07,730 --> 00:19:09,030
JACQUES CONWAY:
Right across the street
378
00:19:09,065 --> 00:19:10,865
from Kenwood High School,
379
00:19:10,900 --> 00:19:14,035
I would see R. Kelly there
380
00:19:14,070 --> 00:19:16,971
on a regular basis, and these were high school girls,
381
00:19:17,106 --> 00:19:19,140
freshmen, sophomores, I couldn't tell exactly.
382
00:19:19,275 --> 00:19:21,809
But I know they were students
at the, at the high school.
383
00:19:21,911 --> 00:19:24,178
His nickname
is not Pied Piper for nothing.
384
00:19:24,214 --> 00:19:28,015
Pied Piper's whole purpose is to
bring the young people to him,
385
00:19:28,117 --> 00:19:31,219
to follow him, to admire him,
to listen to him.
386
00:19:31,254 --> 00:19:33,421
And so, he's good at it.
387
00:19:34,791 --> 00:19:36,691
MIKKI KENDALL:
The first time I saw R. Kelly,
388
00:19:36,793 --> 00:19:40,695
I was probably around 12,
maybe 13.
389
00:19:40,797 --> 00:19:43,097
We would hang out
390
00:19:43,132 --> 00:19:45,700
at the McDonald's in Hyde Park.
391
00:19:45,802 --> 00:19:47,902
I was 14 years old.
392
00:19:47,937 --> 00:19:50,538
And we'd always see him come in by himself
393
00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,340
but leave with,
with some student.
394
00:19:52,442 --> 00:19:55,843
KENDALL: You would see the Ford Explorer pull up.
395
00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,614
There were a bunch of girls
in Kenwood jackets,
396
00:19:59,649 --> 00:20:01,282
in high school clothes.
397
00:20:02,785 --> 00:20:05,253
You would see him and his group of guys
398
00:20:05,288 --> 00:20:06,787
come in and kind of hang out.
399
00:20:06,823 --> 00:20:08,356
"Mr. Kelly wants to meet you."
400
00:20:08,458 --> 00:20:10,258
401
00:20:10,293 --> 00:20:12,693
And you'd look over, and there was like a little nod.
402
00:20:12,795 --> 00:20:14,795
If you're the girl that smiles back,
403
00:20:14,831 --> 00:20:17,231
that's when he starts talking to you.
404
00:20:17,267 --> 00:20:18,799
CHANEY:
Public Announcement,
405
00:20:18,835 --> 00:20:22,069
R. Kelly, Born into the 90's.
406
00:20:22,171 --> 00:20:24,205
He was on the rise.
He knew that
407
00:20:24,340 --> 00:20:26,774
he had the singing career,
and he was blowing up,
408
00:20:26,809 --> 00:20:29,644
and who wouldn't want to be
with a superstar?
409
00:20:29,679 --> 00:20:31,946
He liked high school girls.
410
00:20:31,981 --> 00:20:34,649
He could influence them more.
411
00:20:34,684 --> 00:20:37,451
They were more impressionable.
412
00:20:37,487 --> 00:20:39,420
He tries to slide in
in that space
413
00:20:39,522 --> 00:20:41,255
where girls
don't know better yet,
414
00:20:41,357 --> 00:20:45,693
where they can't necessarily spot a predator.
415
00:20:45,728 --> 00:20:49,330
People will say, "Well, why didn't anyone notice?"
416
00:20:50,867 --> 00:20:52,400
The answer is
that we all noticed;
417
00:20:52,502 --> 00:20:54,902
no one cared
because we were black girls.
418
00:20:59,175 --> 00:21:01,442
JOVANTE: I would hear different things, but I didn't realize
419
00:21:01,544 --> 00:21:03,511
what was going on at the time.
420
00:21:03,546 --> 00:21:07,548
I know when we were around, as children ourselves,
421
00:21:07,583 --> 00:21:09,350
as teenagers,
422
00:21:09,385 --> 00:21:11,786
(laughs): it was, "Go out, find me some girls,"
423
00:21:11,821 --> 00:21:13,854
to recruit, in a sense.
424
00:21:13,890 --> 00:21:16,624
I mean, and at that timeyou didn't think of it as that.
425
00:21:16,726 --> 00:21:18,726
At that time you're thinking, "Go get me some girls"?
426
00:21:18,761 --> 00:21:21,796
I mean, we weren't looking for underage women.
427
00:21:21,898 --> 00:21:24,532
In our mindswe were just looking for girls.
428
00:21:24,567 --> 00:21:27,168
We were so stupid.
429
00:21:27,203 --> 00:21:29,170
Just so...
430
00:21:29,205 --> 00:21:30,938
naive.
431
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,342
432
00:21:34,377 --> 00:21:37,078
The first time I witnessed a sexual act in the studio
433
00:21:37,113 --> 00:21:38,879
was during the recording
434
00:21:38,915 --> 00:21:40,915
of "Slow Dance," the remix.
435
00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:44,752
He had one of my teenage friends
in the booth with him bent over.
436
00:21:49,425 --> 00:21:51,492
And we were all right there.
437
00:21:51,594 --> 00:21:53,828
438
00:21:53,930 --> 00:21:56,564
I will not say with whom,
439
00:21:56,599 --> 00:21:58,599
but none of us were of age.
440
00:21:58,634 --> 00:22:00,701
None of us.
441
00:22:10,580 --> 00:22:12,646
Um...
442
00:22:14,117 --> 00:22:16,550
We went through a lot.
443
00:22:16,586 --> 00:22:18,652
We experienced a lot.
444
00:22:18,788 --> 00:22:20,788
We saw a lot. Um...
445
00:22:22,759 --> 00:22:27,395
It was a period of time when...
446
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:30,498
um...
447
00:22:30,633 --> 00:22:32,900
we were just trying to make it.
448
00:22:32,935 --> 00:22:35,002
We had... we had big dreams,
449
00:22:35,071 --> 00:22:39,640
and we thought
we were gonna be somebody.
450
00:22:46,983 --> 00:22:48,682
"And don't give me
that bull(bleep) about it.
451
00:22:48,751 --> 00:22:50,918
You should not meet 'em."
452
00:22:50,953 --> 00:22:54,355
And that was my language
to him consistently.
453
00:22:54,490 --> 00:22:56,891
He has no business around them.
454
00:22:56,926 --> 00:22:59,760
They were too young for him.
455
00:22:59,796 --> 00:23:02,763
I told him, "Go on, live your
life the way you want to live,
456
00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:05,099
but don't bring down
somebody else's life."
457
00:23:10,173 --> 00:23:12,440
LEMIEUX:
So, 1993,
458
00:23:12,475 --> 00:23:15,810
we get 12 Play, which is,
459
00:23:15,845 --> 00:23:20,047
in my opinion, what really establishes R. Kelly as
460
00:23:20,183 --> 00:23:22,049
one of the most influential,
461
00:23:22,118 --> 00:23:26,053
if not the most influential
RandB artist of his generation.
462
00:23:26,189 --> 00:23:29,190
"Bump n' Grind" is
his first big song.
463
00:23:29,292 --> 00:23:30,958
With a little
bump and grind
464
00:23:30,993 --> 00:23:33,027
With a little bump
and grind...
465
00:23:33,129 --> 00:23:35,262
It's kind of slow,
like a ballad,
466
00:23:35,298 --> 00:23:37,465
but then it's like,
467
00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:41,235
there's nothing wrong
with being physical and sexual.
468
00:23:41,370 --> 00:23:44,972
And so, it's sort of that
classic RandB message of, like,
469
00:23:45,007 --> 00:23:47,341
sexuality's okay,like, it's okay to be physical.
470
00:23:47,376 --> 00:23:50,277
LEMIEUX: In the beginning, with
12 Play, we get to this point
471
00:23:50,313 --> 00:23:52,413
where it's less about having
472
00:23:52,548 --> 00:23:55,683
beautiful lyrics, or a beautiful
melody and a great voice,
473
00:23:55,718 --> 00:23:57,852
and almost about this kind
of shock and awe,
474
00:23:57,887 --> 00:23:59,954
and this raunch
and this raw sexuality.
475
00:23:59,989 --> 00:24:01,956
You know, "Sex Me."
476
00:24:01,991 --> 00:24:04,792
TOURE: I mean, a lot of these songs are great, you know.
477
00:24:04,827 --> 00:24:07,294
It's just that, when you start
to think about the sort of
478
00:24:07,330 --> 00:24:09,296
person behind them, you start to go, like...
479
00:24:09,332 --> 00:24:10,798
(Tour sucks in through teeth)
480
00:24:10,900 --> 00:24:11,932
(grunts)
481
00:24:12,001 --> 00:24:14,802
And then Rob met Aaliyah
482
00:24:14,837 --> 00:24:18,439
through his manager, which...
483
00:24:18,574 --> 00:24:21,175
Aaliyah was Barry Hankerson's niece.
484
00:24:29,252 --> 00:24:30,818
R. KELLY:
Right now I'm producing
485
00:24:30,853 --> 00:24:33,454
a very talented young lady, Aaliyah.
486
00:24:33,589 --> 00:24:37,458
Uh, she's real sweet. She just be chillin'.
487
00:24:37,593 --> 00:24:39,360
-Hey, Aaliyah?
-AALIYAH: Yo.
488
00:24:39,395 --> 00:24:41,162
-That first verse is funky,
right?
-Mm-hmm.
489
00:24:41,197 --> 00:24:44,131
What I want you to do is...
I want you to try to get into it
490
00:24:44,267 --> 00:24:45,933
-just a little bit more for me.
-Okay.
491
00:24:46,035 --> 00:24:48,302
Just get into it a little more,
make it a little more street.
492
00:24:48,437 --> 00:24:49,770
-All right?
-All right.
493
00:24:49,872 --> 00:24:51,472
-You sound good, though, baby.
-All right.
494
00:24:53,543 --> 00:24:56,644
Uh... very shy kid,
very tomboyish.
495
00:24:56,712 --> 00:24:58,746
Glasses, braces.
496
00:24:58,781 --> 00:25:01,882
No-no swag.
497
00:25:01,918 --> 00:25:04,218
She's truly an angelic individual.
498
00:25:04,253 --> 00:25:07,321
She was truly a beautiful young lady.
499
00:25:07,456 --> 00:25:09,390
Aaliyah just needed a look.
500
00:25:09,425 --> 00:25:11,592
That's all.
She just needed a little...
501
00:25:11,627 --> 00:25:13,360
a little something to spice it up.
502
00:25:13,462 --> 00:25:15,529
She was still very young. She was 12 years old.
503
00:25:15,565 --> 00:25:19,733
We taught her her street thing, we gave her her vibe.
504
00:25:19,769 --> 00:25:21,368
She went from wearing
505
00:25:21,404 --> 00:25:23,571
fitted clothes to the baggy jeans
506
00:25:23,606 --> 00:25:28,242
with the half shirts, with the baseball caps.
507
00:25:28,277 --> 00:25:31,512
We taught her how to be an artist in the sense
508
00:25:31,647 --> 00:25:33,681
of having a stage presence.
509
00:25:33,816 --> 00:25:36,050
We would sneak Aaliyah out of the hotel... (laughs)
510
00:25:36,085 --> 00:25:39,086
...and take her
all over the place.
511
00:25:39,121 --> 00:25:40,921
It was fun.
512
00:25:42,325 --> 00:25:44,858
We used to take her
to my dad's house, and...
513
00:25:44,927 --> 00:25:47,261
we'd dance and sing
in the living room.
514
00:25:49,632 --> 00:25:52,933
Aaliyah became very close with Tia and myself.
515
00:25:52,969 --> 00:25:54,935
We were all very close.
516
00:25:54,971 --> 00:25:56,904
She and myself had a very close-knit relationship
517
00:25:57,006 --> 00:25:58,372
and friendship.
518
00:25:58,507 --> 00:26:00,274
Those were the good old days.
519
00:26:00,309 --> 00:26:03,611
But those are the things
that also... make you cry.
520
00:26:07,617 --> 00:26:09,750
TOURE:
Aaliyah's first album
521
00:26:09,785 --> 00:26:11,385
is made by R. Kelly,
522
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,420
and it's called
Age Ain't Nothing but a Number.
523
00:26:13,456 --> 00:26:17,258
And that main... the title song, is about
524
00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:20,628
a young girl
who's trying to get an older guy
525
00:26:20,663 --> 00:26:23,464
to go all the way with her.
526
00:26:23,499 --> 00:26:25,566
I mean...
527
00:26:25,701 --> 00:26:29,069
it's, it's-it's frightening
and it's disgusting.
528
00:26:29,205 --> 00:26:31,972
Boy, be brave
529
00:26:32,008 --> 00:26:34,842
Don't be afraid
530
00:26:34,877 --> 00:26:40,281
'Cause tonight
we're gonna go all the way
531
00:26:40,316 --> 00:26:42,449
Age ain't nothin'
but a number
532
00:26:42,485 --> 00:26:46,587
Throwin' down
ain't nothin' but a thing.
533
00:26:46,622 --> 00:26:48,455
"Age ain't nothing but a number"
is a thing
534
00:26:48,491 --> 00:26:50,924
in the black community I've
heard since I was a little boy,
535
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,093
when a, when a hot young girl
walks by,
536
00:26:53,129 --> 00:26:54,728
and a guy
in a barbershop says that.
537
00:26:54,830 --> 00:26:58,365
"Age Ain't Nothing but a Number"
is definitely
538
00:26:58,467 --> 00:27:00,868
a perfect song
539
00:27:00,970 --> 00:27:04,705
for hiding in plain sight.
540
00:27:04,807 --> 00:27:08,275
DEMETRIUS: Robert brought a beauty out of her voice
541
00:27:08,311 --> 00:27:13,080
to where she became the star that she was.
542
00:27:13,182 --> 00:27:15,349
He said he wanted her
to have the best of everything.
543
00:27:15,384 --> 00:27:17,217
He said, "Man, I want
to make her the biggest star
544
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,086
in the world, man.
Look at her. She's so..."
545
00:27:19,188 --> 00:27:20,754
She was so beautiful to him.
546
00:27:20,856 --> 00:27:22,756
And she always had him laughing.
They would...
547
00:27:22,858 --> 00:27:24,658
I'm gonna just tell you.
We'd go get ice cream,
548
00:27:24,694 --> 00:27:26,827
and I'm in the back, and I'm
walking behind 'em all the time.
549
00:27:26,862 --> 00:27:29,330
And they...
They're just so silly, man.
550
00:27:29,365 --> 00:27:31,999
(laughs)
You know, they were silly.
551
00:27:32,034 --> 00:27:36,437
LEMIEUX: It wasn't until I was maybe a teenager myself
552
00:27:36,539 --> 00:27:38,939
that it really bothered me
553
00:27:39,041 --> 00:27:41,842
just how much older
he was than her.
554
00:27:41,877 --> 00:27:44,611
At the time I remember
thinking, "That's not right.
555
00:27:44,714 --> 00:27:47,448
I don't have
no grown man friends." Right?
556
00:27:47,550 --> 00:27:50,150
Like, I just can't wrap my brain
around, like,
557
00:27:50,186 --> 00:27:53,454
having a grown-up,
period, as a friend.
558
00:27:53,556 --> 00:27:55,689
You know, a babysitter
or a friend of the family,
559
00:27:55,725 --> 00:27:58,525
but never being left alone
in the care of a male,
560
00:27:58,561 --> 00:28:00,561
aside from my father.
561
00:28:03,199 --> 00:28:05,199
Her parents trusted.
562
00:28:05,234 --> 00:28:08,402
They trusted me.
They trusted us.
563
00:28:12,041 --> 00:28:15,242
I thought they were getting closer.
564
00:28:15,277 --> 00:28:17,277
I was beginning to suspect
things but didn't want to.
565
00:28:17,380 --> 00:28:18,812
So I asked Robert.
I said, "Robert, man,
566
00:28:18,914 --> 00:28:20,314
what's going on, man?
You ain't messing..."
567
00:28:20,416 --> 00:28:22,750
"Hell no, man.
I'm not messing with Aaliyah."
568
00:28:29,392 --> 00:28:31,492
It was under talks
for a long time
569
00:28:31,594 --> 00:28:33,827
about having them come up
to the show.
570
00:28:33,929 --> 00:28:37,164
It was kind of like, they don'twant you to talk about the age.
571
00:28:37,266 --> 00:28:39,566
They don't want you to talk about any of this stuff.
572
00:28:39,602 --> 00:28:41,368
But as a journalist,
573
00:28:41,404 --> 00:28:44,538
you kind of have to decide,
are you gonna take this risk
574
00:28:44,573 --> 00:28:46,840
while this platform is
in front of you
575
00:28:46,942 --> 00:28:49,042
and ask the questions
that the people want to know?
576
00:28:49,078 --> 00:28:50,544
Okay, let's clear something up,
'cause, you know,
577
00:28:50,579 --> 00:28:51,845
I have been getting
the rundown on the street.
578
00:28:51,947 --> 00:28:53,380
Everybody seems to think
579
00:28:53,416 --> 00:28:55,249
that y'all are either
girlfriend and boyfriend,
580
00:28:55,284 --> 00:28:57,384
-or cousins, or friends.
-KELLY (laughs): Look at my man.
581
00:28:57,420 --> 00:29:00,020
Just let's... let's just
get the record straight.
582
00:29:00,122 --> 00:29:01,455
We're just very close.
He's my best friend.
583
00:29:01,490 --> 00:29:03,257
R. KELLY: Yeah, cool.
In the whole wide world.
584
00:29:03,292 --> 00:29:05,826
-SEGAR: Now who found who?
-In the whole wide world.
585
00:29:05,928 --> 00:29:08,862
TOURE: They are asked direct questions.
586
00:29:08,964 --> 00:29:12,433
"Are you guys dating?" And they
would not give direct answers.
587
00:29:12,468 --> 00:29:14,768
They would both give
these vague answers
588
00:29:14,804 --> 00:29:16,537
that left it all up in the air.
589
00:29:16,639 --> 00:29:18,472
So they knew this wasn't right.
590
00:29:18,507 --> 00:29:21,074
SEGAR: And for the record,
you are how old?
591
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:22,576
-That's a secret. Shh.
-Uh-oh.
592
00:29:22,611 --> 00:29:24,945
A woman doesn't disclose
her age, y'all.
593
00:29:24,980 --> 00:29:26,747
(laughter)
594
00:29:26,782 --> 00:29:29,383
-Keeping it under wraps.
-AALIYAH: That's right.
595
00:29:29,485 --> 00:29:31,819
SEGAR:
Seeing them dressed alike
596
00:29:31,854 --> 00:29:36,089
was really kind of like dangling
candy in front of a baby.
597
00:29:36,125 --> 00:29:39,259
Like, this is promotion,
this is a media machine.
598
00:29:39,295 --> 00:29:40,961
We're gonna work this
to our benefit,
599
00:29:40,996 --> 00:29:42,963
and we're gonna toy with you,
we're gonna play with you,
600
00:29:42,998 --> 00:29:45,098
and we're not gonna give you
any direct answers,
601
00:29:45,134 --> 00:29:47,167
and we're gonna kind of
leave you wondering,
602
00:29:47,203 --> 00:29:48,769
"Well, are they a couple?"
603
00:29:51,173 --> 00:29:53,841
We were out on the road
604
00:29:53,876 --> 00:29:56,310
with Aaliyah.
605
00:29:56,345 --> 00:30:00,280
On a tour bus, there really aren't any confined spaces.
606
00:30:00,316 --> 00:30:02,616
When you get on the bus, there are bunks.
607
00:30:02,651 --> 00:30:05,452
And so, these bunks have little curtains you can pull at night
608
00:30:05,488 --> 00:30:07,454
if you don't want anybody to see you sleeping.
609
00:30:07,490 --> 00:30:08,956
So it just so happened
610
00:30:08,991 --> 00:30:11,992
we were all laying in our bunks.
611
00:30:12,027 --> 00:30:14,528
It was... And curtains are open.
612
00:30:14,563 --> 00:30:16,196
Everybody's communicating,
laughing.
613
00:30:16,232 --> 00:30:17,931
We used to play different pranks
on each other.
614
00:30:18,033 --> 00:30:19,900
And, uh...
615
00:30:20,002 --> 00:30:22,836
I think it was intended to...
prank time,
616
00:30:22,872 --> 00:30:27,040
when the door flew open on the bus.
617
00:30:29,345 --> 00:30:31,311
Robert was having sex
with Aaliyah.
618
00:30:43,025 --> 00:30:45,325
When the door flew open
on the bus.
619
00:30:47,863 --> 00:30:49,997
JOVANTE: Uh, things that an adult should not be doing
620
00:30:50,032 --> 00:30:51,865
with a child.
621
00:30:51,901 --> 00:30:53,734
Robert was having sex with Aaliyah.
622
00:31:00,042 --> 00:31:01,975
I feel protective of Aaliyah
right now,
623
00:31:02,011 --> 00:31:06,680
which is why
I can't get my mouth to say...
624
00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:12,886
He destroyed a lot of people.
625
00:31:14,857 --> 00:31:17,190
Destroyed a lot of people.
626
00:31:17,226 --> 00:31:21,094
A lot of people who loved
and adored him, and...
627
00:31:24,567 --> 00:31:28,001
I can't stress
to you enough how...
628
00:31:28,037 --> 00:31:29,970
people are still suffering
629
00:31:30,005 --> 00:31:34,875
behind things
that went on 20 years ago.
630
00:31:41,050 --> 00:31:43,450
After that, it kind of started the breakup
631
00:31:43,586 --> 00:31:45,852
of everything and everybody.
632
00:31:45,888 --> 00:31:47,354
A lot of people...
633
00:31:47,389 --> 00:31:50,991
People's emotions were challenged.
634
00:31:51,026 --> 00:31:55,295
Our whole family just kind of ripped up.
635
00:31:59,568 --> 00:32:01,935
DEMETRIUS: Robert came to me. We were in Miami.
636
00:32:03,939 --> 00:32:08,408
Robert said, "Man,
we got Aaliyah in trouble."
637
00:32:09,945 --> 00:32:12,746
And, um, "Aaliyah in trouble?
What do you mean?"
638
00:32:12,781 --> 00:32:14,481
"Man, we got to get to Chicago."
639
00:32:14,516 --> 00:32:19,086
Robert mentioned to me that, um, "I think she's pregnant."
640
00:32:19,188 --> 00:32:22,255
And... that broke my heart
right there.
641
00:32:22,358 --> 00:32:25,092
I was so disappointed in him,
'cause I really believed him
642
00:32:25,194 --> 00:32:26,893
when he said that, you know,
643
00:32:26,996 --> 00:32:28,562
he wasn't doing
and messing with Aaliyah.
644
00:32:28,664 --> 00:32:32,633
'Cause I questioned him,
and, um...
645
00:32:32,668 --> 00:32:35,569
once he told me that,
I was, like...
646
00:32:35,671 --> 00:32:38,772
I just... I was... I was lost
for words, man. Um...
647
00:32:40,209 --> 00:32:42,809
He married Aaliyah.
648
00:32:45,914 --> 00:32:48,882
I was in the room when they got married.
649
00:32:51,587 --> 00:32:53,954
TOURE: In 1994, I was working at MTV News
650
00:32:54,056 --> 00:32:56,390
as a writer, not on air,
651
00:32:56,425 --> 00:33:00,894
and the issue of,
"Is he married to Aaliyah?"
652
00:33:00,929 --> 00:33:04,531
was-was wild
and being talked about widely.
653
00:33:04,566 --> 00:33:09,403
Finally, my boss told me, "Call
the Cook County Clerk's Office
654
00:33:09,438 --> 00:33:12,305
and tell them to send you
the marriage certificate."
655
00:33:12,408 --> 00:33:15,509
Hip-hop star R. Kelly
did indeed marry his prot g e,
656
00:33:15,544 --> 00:33:17,444
the 15-year-old singer
Aaliyah Haughton.
657
00:33:17,546 --> 00:33:18,945
TOURE:
MTV News was the first
658
00:33:19,048 --> 00:33:20,580
to put out this marriage certificate
659
00:33:20,616 --> 00:33:22,816
on which Aaliyah had said that she was 18,
660
00:33:22,918 --> 00:33:25,585
when she's actually 15, and R. Kelly was 27,
661
00:33:25,621 --> 00:33:27,754
and they were married.
662
00:33:29,425 --> 00:33:32,659
I, uh, went,
and I, um... I, um...
663
00:33:32,761 --> 00:33:34,394
I'm not proud of that.
664
00:33:34,430 --> 00:33:37,197
I forged, I had papers forged
for them.
665
00:33:38,434 --> 00:33:42,135
But Aaliyah was underage.
666
00:33:42,237 --> 00:33:44,871
Got the marriage license, and we were in a hotel
667
00:33:44,907 --> 00:33:47,674
in, uh, Maywood, Illinois.
668
00:33:47,776 --> 00:33:50,577
It was just
a quick little ceremony.
669
00:33:50,612 --> 00:33:53,113
Nothing elaborate; she didn't
have on a white dress.
670
00:33:53,148 --> 00:33:54,881
Robert didn't have on a tux.
671
00:33:54,917 --> 00:33:56,883
Just everyday wear.
672
00:33:56,919 --> 00:34:00,420
Robert said, "I do."
(laughs)
673
00:34:00,456 --> 00:34:02,756
He said, "I do."
Him and Aaliyah.
674
00:34:06,795 --> 00:34:09,696
Aaliyah looked worried.
675
00:34:09,798 --> 00:34:12,632
Scared.
676
00:34:12,668 --> 00:34:15,068
(sighs)
677
00:34:15,104 --> 00:34:17,204
Worried and scared.
678
00:34:19,108 --> 00:34:22,142
I wanted so much to grab Aaliyah and talk to her.
679
00:34:22,177 --> 00:34:25,479
I wanted so much to talk to her.
680
00:34:25,514 --> 00:34:27,147
'Cause she looked at me,
she gave me a look
681
00:34:27,182 --> 00:34:29,549
like she wanted me
to talk to her.
682
00:34:29,651 --> 00:34:32,152
That's why I feel like I left
her-- I-I failed them.
683
00:34:32,187 --> 00:34:34,087
Both of them.
684
00:34:34,123 --> 00:34:37,791
I knew that it had changed the course of everything.
685
00:34:42,598 --> 00:34:45,398
lment happened with Aaliyah.
686
00:34:45,434 --> 00:34:48,435
I just know that it did.
687
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:50,604
Her parents had the last say-so.
688
00:35:00,682 --> 00:35:02,549
TOURE:
The Aaliyah situation,
689
00:35:02,684 --> 00:35:06,753
a lot of us kind of forgave but were kind of like,
690
00:35:06,789 --> 00:35:10,257
"That was weird, but okay.
What else you got?"
691
00:35:10,292 --> 00:35:12,292
Well, they're both performers,
692
00:35:12,327 --> 00:35:15,162
and she's old beyond her years.
693
00:35:15,197 --> 00:35:17,764
And they just have
that special connection.
694
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,766
It didn't yet appear like
695
00:35:19,802 --> 00:35:23,370
here's a person who is a predator.
696
00:35:26,041 --> 00:35:27,440
Where was the outrage?
697
00:35:27,476 --> 00:35:29,109
Where was Essence?
Where was Ebony?
698
00:35:29,144 --> 00:35:30,911
Where was the local news?
Where was anyone?
699
00:35:30,979 --> 00:35:35,348
Like, why was this not,
in that moment, full stop?
700
00:35:35,384 --> 00:35:41,154
Why didn't the culture say something is wrong?
701
00:35:43,892 --> 00:35:46,560
POWERS:
You had this whole history
702
00:35:46,662 --> 00:35:49,863
of adult male musicians who hung
out with young girls.
703
00:35:49,898 --> 00:35:52,332
Musicians who "mentor"
young girls.
704
00:35:52,367 --> 00:35:55,035
You had the history of musicians
who married young girl fans.
705
00:35:55,070 --> 00:35:59,022
And I think while it was
disturbing to people,
706
00:35:59,091 --> 00:36:01,391
it's very easy to rationalize thi
707
00:36:01,426 --> 00:36:03,860
when you're in the industry
708
00:36:03,996 --> 00:36:05,562
and you see this flourishing career,
709
00:36:05,597 --> 00:36:08,732
not only of Kelly, but of Aaliyah.
710
00:36:10,102 --> 00:36:11,535
GEORGE:
If you listen to the history
711
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:12,969
of American popular music,
712
00:36:13,005 --> 00:36:14,571
particularly rock and roll,
713
00:36:14,673 --> 00:36:17,374
there's a whole thing
about underage girls
714
00:36:17,509 --> 00:36:20,777
that's a big running theme
in-in so much of the songs.
715
00:36:20,812 --> 00:36:23,547
"Sweet Little Sixteen."
716
00:36:23,682 --> 00:36:27,450
There's a body of work of underage girls
717
00:36:27,486 --> 00:36:28,985
being sexual targets,
718
00:36:29,021 --> 00:36:31,087
being sexually promiscuous,
being celebrated.
719
00:36:31,189 --> 00:36:35,559
POWERS: It's hard to think of a group or an artist
720
00:36:35,694 --> 00:36:37,727
who didn't pay tribute
to teenage girls
721
00:36:37,763 --> 00:36:40,297
in a way that
we might question today.
722
00:36:40,332 --> 00:36:42,065
Even the Beatles, you know.
723
00:36:42,167 --> 00:36:43,900
"When I Saw Her Standing There."
724
00:36:43,936 --> 00:36:46,403
"She was just 17,
if you know what I mean."
725
00:36:48,173 --> 00:36:51,207
Jerry Lee Lewis famously married
726
00:36:51,343 --> 00:36:55,211
his 13-year-old cousin Myra, um,
727
00:36:55,347 --> 00:36:56,446
and they flaunted
their relationship.
728
00:36:56,481 --> 00:36:57,447
That actually brought down
729
00:36:57,482 --> 00:36:59,082
his career.
730
00:36:59,117 --> 00:37:02,819
Elvis Presley was more subtle and careful
731
00:37:02,854 --> 00:37:05,322
with his teenage girlfriend Priscilla,
732
00:37:05,357 --> 00:37:09,125
who he met when he was a soldier abroad in Germany
733
00:37:09,161 --> 00:37:13,763
and whom he brought to live with him as a young teenager.
734
00:37:13,799 --> 00:37:17,667
So when you think of girls
who are going to shows,
735
00:37:17,703 --> 00:37:21,738
attending concerts, becoming
completely hysterical, um,
736
00:37:21,873 --> 00:37:23,940
and then meeting their heroes,
737
00:37:23,976 --> 00:37:26,443
these-- this is a situation ripe
738
00:37:26,478 --> 00:37:30,246
for, uh, men taking advantage
of young girls.
739
00:37:33,151 --> 00:37:35,852
JOVANTE: Robert feels as if he's invincible.
740
00:37:35,887 --> 00:37:38,254
"I can't be touched."
741
00:37:39,992 --> 00:37:41,825
And in hindsight, in society,
742
00:37:41,860 --> 00:37:43,493
we kind of made him feel
that way.
743
00:37:43,528 --> 00:37:45,762
Because he's progressively
done this
744
00:37:45,897 --> 00:37:48,632
for as far back
as I can remember,
745
00:37:48,667 --> 00:37:50,667
and nothing
has been done about it.
746
00:37:52,671 --> 00:37:56,272
POWERS:
R. Kelly created and occupied
747
00:37:56,408 --> 00:37:58,541
a position of outrageousness
748
00:37:58,577 --> 00:38:02,045
that kind of masked everything
749
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,280
that was happening
behind the scenes.
750
00:38:06,718 --> 00:38:07,951
CRAIG: And then, when you get that type of fame
751
00:38:08,020 --> 00:38:09,486
and that type of power,
752
00:38:09,521 --> 00:38:12,155
and you come from nothing
and you know nothing,
753
00:38:12,190 --> 00:38:15,158
and all you know is that
everyone around you is "yes"
754
00:38:15,193 --> 00:38:17,460
and "okay," "sure,"
755
00:38:17,596 --> 00:38:19,496
and you have everything
at your beck and call,
756
00:38:19,531 --> 00:38:21,698
you kind of lose perspective
of reality.
757
00:38:26,772 --> 00:38:29,005
DR. JODY ADEWALE:
Oftentimes, perpetrators
758
00:38:29,107 --> 00:38:32,542
will be so brave to say,
"I'm gonna let the world know.
759
00:38:32,577 --> 00:38:34,177
"I'm gonna let everyone see
what's going on,
760
00:38:34,279 --> 00:38:35,879
and you'd better not say
anything."
761
00:38:39,284 --> 00:38:41,518
That speaks to the amount of control
762
00:38:41,553 --> 00:38:45,255
an individual might have over another person.
763
00:38:45,290 --> 00:38:48,191
(crowd cheering)
764
00:38:48,226 --> 00:38:50,660
CAREY: When I was out there on tour with him,
765
00:38:50,796 --> 00:38:53,430
he had a lot of guys that,
you know, would pretty much,
766
00:38:53,465 --> 00:38:56,166
you know, if-if he say,
767
00:38:56,301 --> 00:38:58,068
"Go get some girls
from the mall,"
768
00:38:58,103 --> 00:38:58,835
they'll go get some girls.
769
00:39:06,178 --> 00:39:08,044
LIZZETTE:
My name is Lizzette Martinez,
770
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,180
from Sunny Isles Beach, Florida.
771
00:39:11,516 --> 00:39:14,184
I was a typical teenager.
772
00:39:14,219 --> 00:39:17,287
I was at Aventura Mall with some girlfriends,
773
00:39:17,322 --> 00:39:19,823
and, uh, I see someone.
774
00:39:19,858 --> 00:39:22,225
A really tall guy
wearing sunglasses.
775
00:39:22,260 --> 00:39:25,195
So I said to my friend,
776
00:39:25,230 --> 00:39:27,664
"Oh, I think that's R. Kelly."
777
00:39:27,699 --> 00:39:29,699
And she's like,
"Why would he be at the mall?"
778
00:39:29,735 --> 00:39:32,402
And I said, "No, that's him."
779
00:39:32,437 --> 00:39:34,137
And he heard me,
780
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,673
and then he turned around,
781
00:39:36,708 --> 00:39:38,641
and I was kind of starstruck, you know.
782
00:39:38,744 --> 00:39:40,276
Here's this person
in front of me
783
00:39:40,412 --> 00:39:42,779
that I think is,
like, the world.
784
00:39:42,881 --> 00:39:44,948
And he walked up to me
and gave me a hug,
785
00:39:45,050 --> 00:39:47,851
and I kind of, like, just...
I was kind of frozen.
786
00:39:47,886 --> 00:39:50,887
And then he said he was recording an album.
787
00:39:50,922 --> 00:39:53,490
I said, "Okay, nice to meet you." And he left.
788
00:39:53,592 --> 00:39:55,558
But then his bodyguard came back
789
00:39:55,594 --> 00:39:57,694
and handed me his phone number
790
00:39:57,729 --> 00:40:00,764
and said, "R. Kelly would like you to call him."
791
00:40:02,234 --> 00:40:04,334
My best friend was with me,
792
00:40:04,436 --> 00:40:06,936
and she said,
"Liz, this is your big break.
793
00:40:06,972 --> 00:40:09,139
Like, you better call,
or I'm gonna call for you."
794
00:40:09,241 --> 00:40:11,708
For me, singing was always an outlet,
795
00:40:11,743 --> 00:40:13,576
and I planned on having
a career.
796
00:40:13,612 --> 00:40:16,546
So I called and he said,
797
00:40:16,581 --> 00:40:20,350
"Well, I'd like you to come
to dinner with us."
798
00:40:20,385 --> 00:40:23,019
My girlfriend said, "Let's get
your makeup and hair done now.
799
00:40:23,121 --> 00:40:25,522
You know, this is it.
You're gonna make it."
800
00:40:25,624 --> 00:40:28,458
We were so naive.
801
00:40:30,362 --> 00:40:33,396
LIZZETTE: His bodyguard handed me his phone number and said,
802
00:40:33,532 --> 00:40:35,298
"R. Kelly would like you
to call him."
803
00:40:36,635 --> 00:40:40,970
So we met him at the steakhouse.
804
00:40:41,006 --> 00:40:43,473
It came up that I was, you know,
an aspiring singer.
805
00:40:43,508 --> 00:40:47,110
Later on, we went to the recording studio,
806
00:40:47,145 --> 00:40:49,112
and my heart was thumping
when I walked in.
807
00:40:49,147 --> 00:40:53,183
And he starts to play the piano.
808
00:40:53,218 --> 00:40:55,151
He plays a song by Boyz II Men
809
00:40:55,187 --> 00:40:56,786
and asked me to sing along
with it.
810
00:40:56,888 --> 00:40:58,855
And I couldn't believe it.
811
00:40:58,890 --> 00:41:02,091
I mean, I'm sitting
with R. Kelly.
812
00:41:02,227 --> 00:41:06,596
I'm 17, and he's right here,
singing.
813
00:41:06,731 --> 00:41:08,264
I just couldn't believe it.
814
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,801
I don't even know what to say.
815
00:41:11,837 --> 00:41:14,838
And then he just said that, you
know, I sound really great.
816
00:41:14,873 --> 00:41:17,140
Had a great look.
817
00:41:17,175 --> 00:41:20,844
He thought I could make it
and he was gonna help me.
818
00:41:20,879 --> 00:41:24,447
And then he leaned over
and kissed me.
819
00:41:26,518 --> 00:41:30,119
And I was really, uh,
taken aback by that.
820
00:41:30,255 --> 00:41:33,690
I didn't know how to say no.
821
00:41:33,725 --> 00:41:38,394
All of a sudden,
his tongue is in my mouth.
822
00:41:38,430 --> 00:41:40,496
This is my dream.
823
00:41:42,033 --> 00:41:45,001
How do I handle this?
824
00:41:45,103 --> 00:41:47,570
I wanted the dream so bad,
825
00:41:47,606 --> 00:41:51,441
but I knew it was gonna be
something else.
826
00:41:56,581 --> 00:41:59,632
I knew it was gonna be
something else.
73222
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