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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,100 --> 00:00:03,297 Are you going to tell me where Sian is. Have you got a car? 2 00:00:03,299 --> 00:00:05,178 She's down the side somewhere along here. 3 00:00:05,180 --> 00:00:07,777 I moved her body a couple of nights ago. 4 00:00:07,779 --> 00:00:10,177 Her body? Yeah. 5 00:00:10,179 --> 00:00:13,097 I was hoping we were gonna save her. Yeah, it's a shitty day. 6 00:00:13,099 --> 00:00:15,817 We need to chat, me and you, now. What do you want to talk about? 7 00:00:15,819 --> 00:00:20,737 Do you want another one? Another one? 8 00:00:20,739 --> 00:00:22,137 She's down there. 9 00:00:22,139 --> 00:00:24,818 I was today taken to the locations of two bodies, 10 00:00:24,820 --> 00:00:26,737 but, thus far, only one has been recovered. 11 00:00:26,739 --> 00:00:28,018 That second girl is Becky. 12 00:00:28,020 --> 00:00:30,777 APPLAUSE 13 00:00:30,779 --> 00:00:33,818 Keir and I just wanted to add our congratulations to everybody else's. 14 00:00:33,820 --> 00:00:37,418 Oh, thank you. I did hear the confessions weren't PACE compliant. 15 00:00:37,420 --> 00:00:39,778 No. In my opinion, they were. 16 00:00:39,780 --> 00:00:41,977 Well, I'm sure it'll all come out in the wash. 17 00:00:41,979 --> 00:00:44,778 We've got a match for the second girl - Rebecca Godden. 18 00:00:44,780 --> 00:00:46,697 We've got an address for the mother. 19 00:00:46,699 --> 00:00:49,418 I know why you're here. Mrs Edwards, can I come in? 20 00:00:49,420 --> 00:00:50,858 What's going on? It's the police. 21 00:00:50,860 --> 00:00:53,377 They're here to tell me that Becky's dead. Aren't you? 22 00:00:53,379 --> 00:00:54,617 Sorry. Yes, I am. 23 00:00:54,619 --> 00:00:57,138 No! I can't...! Karen! 24 00:00:57,140 --> 00:00:58,297 Steve! 25 00:00:58,299 --> 00:00:59,418 Karen... 26 00:00:59,420 --> 00:01:02,017 SHE CRIES OUT IN ANGUISH 27 00:01:02,019 --> 00:01:14,979 Karen... 28 00:01:46,020 --> 00:01:52,458 HE KNOCKS ON THE DOOR 29 00:01:52,460 --> 00:01:56,257 John Godden? Father of Becky Godden? 30 00:01:56,259 --> 00:01:57,578 HE SOBS 31 00:01:57,580 --> 00:02:03,337 What am I gonna do without my little Becky? 32 00:02:03,339 --> 00:02:07,497 SOBBING CONTINUES 33 00:02:07,499 --> 00:02:10,057 Mr Godden, could I please ask...? 34 00:02:10,059 --> 00:02:11,578 HE SOBS 35 00:02:11,580 --> 00:02:14,738 Mr Godden, does that name mean anything to you? 36 00:02:14,740 --> 00:02:16,178 Christopher Halliwell? No... 37 00:02:16,180 --> 00:02:19,578 No, I never heard of him. 38 00:02:19,580 --> 00:02:21,178 Oh...! 39 00:02:21,180 --> 00:02:22,858 Mr Godden... 40 00:02:22,860 --> 00:02:24,898 ..when did you last see Becky? 41 00:02:24,900 --> 00:02:26,217 It was... 42 00:02:26,219 --> 00:02:32,418 It was me and Karen splitting up, that's why she went off the rails. 43 00:02:32,420 --> 00:02:34,937 Mr Godden... 44 00:02:34,939 --> 00:02:39,018 Yeah? So, when did you last see Becky? 45 00:02:39,020 --> 00:02:42,097 Oh, er... 46 00:02:42,099 --> 00:02:44,858 Hm... 47 00:02:44,860 --> 00:02:47,217 A while back. I don't remember when. 48 00:02:47,219 --> 00:02:50,418 I knew something like this was gonna happen now. 49 00:02:50,420 --> 00:02:53,657 Everything's going against us. 50 00:02:53,659 --> 00:02:57,258 My other daughter, she needs special care. 51 00:02:57,260 --> 00:03:01,138 Which I'm trying to organise. But this is... 52 00:03:01,140 --> 00:03:05,578 It's just one blow after another. 53 00:03:05,580 --> 00:03:09,657 THEY BOTH SOB 54 00:03:09,659 --> 00:03:11,937 Becky was killed in 2003. 55 00:03:11,939 --> 00:03:13,898 Sian in 2011. 56 00:03:13,900 --> 00:03:15,858 Eight years. Now, that is too long a gap 57 00:03:15,860 --> 00:03:19,898 for him not to have been involved in any others in between. Steve... 58 00:03:19,900 --> 00:03:23,217 I mean, why say that you think the murder 59 00:03:23,219 --> 00:03:25,578 was in 2003, 2004 or 2005, 60 00:03:25,580 --> 00:03:27,258 unless there are other murders 61 00:03:27,260 --> 00:03:29,258 and you've got them mixed up in your head? 62 00:03:29,260 --> 00:03:32,738 I need you to stand down. 63 00:03:32,740 --> 00:03:36,698 Take a break and recharge the batteries. 64 00:03:36,700 --> 00:03:38,537 As soon as we can get it arranged, 65 00:03:38,539 --> 00:03:41,738 we're planning to put in a small team from MCIT Bristol 66 00:03:41,740 --> 00:03:44,377 to wrap things up, so we can all move on... 67 00:03:44,379 --> 00:03:46,817 You're not listening to me. ..after a brilliant result. 68 00:03:46,819 --> 00:03:52,298 There will be more victims, Pat. 69 00:03:52,300 --> 00:03:55,418 He said they're cutting everything back and they want to replace me. 70 00:03:55,420 --> 00:03:58,898 No, not straight away, but they're making me hand the case over. 71 00:03:58,900 --> 00:04:00,898 Well, what else am I supposed to do? 72 00:04:00,900 --> 00:04:03,698 It's like they're not even prepared to acknowledge the fact 73 00:04:03,700 --> 00:04:06,537 of the notion that we might have a serial killer on our hands. 74 00:04:06,539 --> 00:04:08,738 Listen, anyway, I'd better go. I'm at the checkout. 75 00:04:08,740 --> 00:04:11,497 OK, love you. Bye-bye. 76 00:04:11,499 --> 00:04:15,377 Number two, please. 77 00:04:15,379 --> 00:04:19,378 ยฃ42.70, please. Thank you. 78 00:04:19,380 --> 00:04:21,058 Sorry, excuse me. 79 00:04:21,060 --> 00:04:24,777 Aren't you the policeman who was on the Sian O'Callaghan case? 80 00:04:24,779 --> 00:04:27,217 Er... It is you, isn't it? 81 00:04:27,219 --> 00:04:29,417 Well, it was a team effort, but, er... 82 00:04:29,419 --> 00:04:32,058 Can I just shake your hand, please? Thanks. 83 00:04:32,060 --> 00:04:33,378 Bloody brilliant what you did. 84 00:04:33,380 --> 00:04:35,177 I couldn't believe you caught him so quick. 85 00:04:35,179 --> 00:04:36,777 Thank you. This is, er... 86 00:04:36,779 --> 00:04:40,977 This is the guy who found Sian O'Callaghan's killer. 87 00:04:40,979 --> 00:04:42,297 Well done. 88 00:04:42,299 --> 00:04:44,138 APPLAUSE CONTINUES 89 00:04:44,140 --> 00:04:47,097 Nice one. Good job. Thank you. 90 00:04:47,099 --> 00:04:59,940 Nice one, mate. Thank you. 91 00:05:05,940 --> 00:05:07,657 OK, his bag's packed. 92 00:05:07,659 --> 00:05:09,857 He's just choosing a DVD. OK. 93 00:05:09,859 --> 00:05:12,857 Before you go, I, erm... 94 00:05:12,859 --> 00:05:20,537 I've got something for you. 95 00:05:20,539 --> 00:05:22,498 It's a lock of Sian's hair. 96 00:05:22,500 --> 00:05:25,058 The funeral parlour did it for us. 97 00:05:25,060 --> 00:05:29,217 I've got one and I've given one to Mum. 98 00:05:29,219 --> 00:05:31,818 Thanks. 99 00:05:31,820 --> 00:05:34,018 I'll call tomorrow about the funeral, 100 00:05:34,020 --> 00:05:37,337 just to go through the arrangements with you. Right. 101 00:05:37,339 --> 00:05:40,177 Go on, what did you choose? Cloudy With A Chance Of Meatballs. 102 00:05:40,179 --> 00:05:42,657 Oh, not that again! 103 00:05:42,659 --> 00:05:49,857 Come on, then. 104 00:05:49,859 --> 00:05:51,698 Bye, Aiden. Bye. 105 00:05:51,700 --> 00:05:58,498 Bye. Bye, sweetheart. Bye. 106 00:05:58,500 --> 00:06:01,337 Why are you going to speak to Mick about the funeral details? 107 00:06:01,339 --> 00:06:03,058 Because he's Sian's father. 108 00:06:03,060 --> 00:06:05,938 Yeah, he doesn't need to be worrying about all that. 109 00:06:05,940 --> 00:06:07,698 He's got enough on his plate. 110 00:06:07,700 --> 00:06:11,818 Anyway, it's all done. 111 00:06:11,820 --> 00:06:13,058 What is? 112 00:06:13,060 --> 00:06:14,737 The funeral. 113 00:06:14,739 --> 00:06:17,657 I've booked for us to go and see Hilliers. 114 00:06:17,659 --> 00:06:20,058 What? Yeah, I just said to myself, 115 00:06:20,060 --> 00:06:22,417 "We need to apply the KISS principle." 116 00:06:22,419 --> 00:06:23,938 Keep it simple, stupid. 117 00:06:23,940 --> 00:06:25,217 Now... 118 00:06:25,219 --> 00:06:27,977 ..have you been to see the doctor about...? 119 00:06:27,979 --> 00:06:30,177 No. I haven't been able to face it. 120 00:06:30,179 --> 00:06:32,097 Right, I am booking you an appointment 121 00:06:32,099 --> 00:06:33,777 and I am taking you there myself. 122 00:06:33,779 --> 00:06:42,977 No ifs or buts. 123 00:06:42,979 --> 00:06:44,498 Hello, Declan! 124 00:06:44,500 --> 00:06:46,177 It's me. It's Chris. 125 00:06:46,179 --> 00:06:49,138 Chris. How are you, mate? 126 00:06:49,140 --> 00:06:52,138 Yeah, not so bad. Stuck in here, of course. 127 00:06:52,140 --> 00:06:54,378 I'm on remand at the moment. 128 00:06:54,380 --> 00:06:56,818 Well, it's a lot of waiting around, really. 129 00:06:56,820 --> 00:06:59,177 But it's changed a lot since I was last in here. 130 00:06:59,179 --> 00:07:02,698 Well, it was much more stricter then. 131 00:07:02,700 --> 00:07:04,857 Well, it's a load of bollocks, mate. 132 00:07:04,859 --> 00:07:07,018 But they want to interview me. 133 00:07:07,020 --> 00:07:10,938 Yeah, they want to interview me about eight murders. 134 00:07:10,940 --> 00:07:12,698 HE LAUGHS 135 00:07:12,700 --> 00:07:15,378 I don't know, mate. I don't know. 136 00:07:15,380 --> 00:07:18,657 WOMAN ON RADIO: For over a week her identity was a mystery. 137 00:07:18,659 --> 00:07:22,417 But detectives have finally been able to name the unknown woman, 138 00:07:22,419 --> 00:07:34,417 her body found buried at a Cotswold beauty spot... 139 00:07:34,419 --> 00:07:35,818 Where is everyone? 140 00:07:35,820 --> 00:07:40,977 Re-assigned overnight. Already? 141 00:07:40,979 --> 00:07:48,138 I've only been given to the end of the week myself. 142 00:07:48,140 --> 00:07:51,698 Right, get everyone who we have left in the briefing room. 143 00:07:51,700 --> 00:07:54,857 Jesus Christ...! 144 00:07:54,859 --> 00:07:57,618 OK, so the news back from the lab is mixed. 145 00:07:57,620 --> 00:07:59,537 The good news is there's a match for Sian's DNA 146 00:07:59,539 --> 00:08:01,258 on the spots of blood on the car seat covers 147 00:08:01,260 --> 00:08:02,777 Halliwell was trying to dispose of. 148 00:08:02,779 --> 00:08:05,578 Yeah, but surely he could just say that he was a cab driver 149 00:08:05,580 --> 00:08:09,138 and Sian got in as a passenger and had a nosebleed or something. 150 00:08:09,140 --> 00:08:12,378 Yeah. Although there is a match for Halliwell's DNA on Sian's body 151 00:08:12,380 --> 00:08:14,018 from the bite mark to her breast. 152 00:08:14,020 --> 00:08:16,417 But it's only partial. 153 00:08:16,419 --> 00:08:18,058 No match from the perfume bottle. 154 00:08:18,060 --> 00:08:20,297 Erm, there is actually a full female DNA profile on it, 155 00:08:20,299 --> 00:08:21,657 but it's not Sian's or Becky's. 156 00:08:21,659 --> 00:08:25,097 Which begs the question, whose is it? 157 00:08:25,099 --> 00:08:27,857 Also they've been unable to positively identify the item 158 00:08:27,859 --> 00:08:29,578 he left burning in the middle of the road. 159 00:08:29,580 --> 00:08:31,537 What are they saying about the gaffer tape gag 160 00:08:31,539 --> 00:08:34,098 found with Becky's body? Very unlikely to provide any profile, 161 00:08:34,100 --> 00:08:36,777 given how long it's been in the ground. 162 00:08:36,779 --> 00:08:39,177 Right, I think we're going to find other victims. 163 00:08:39,179 --> 00:08:41,618 There's a big gap between Becky and Sian's murders. 164 00:08:41,620 --> 00:08:45,498 So cross-reference Halliwell's known whereabouts between those dates 165 00:08:45,500 --> 00:08:48,898 against cold cases and mispers. 166 00:08:48,900 --> 00:08:51,777 None of us knows how much longer we have got left on this investigation, 167 00:08:51,779 --> 00:08:53,177 myself included. 168 00:08:53,179 --> 00:08:57,018 There are currently 1,500 actions pending on the Holmes System. 169 00:08:57,020 --> 00:09:01,258 We actually need double the team that we had a few days ago, 170 00:09:01,260 --> 00:09:03,417 and we have less than half now. 171 00:09:03,419 --> 00:09:05,697 I'm not quite sure how that logic prevails, 172 00:09:05,699 --> 00:09:08,697 but, erm, let's do what we can, eh? 173 00:09:08,699 --> 00:09:21,220 Right, see you soon. 174 00:09:34,140 --> 00:09:35,858 What have we done? 175 00:09:35,860 --> 00:09:40,777 Oh, sit down, for God's sake. 176 00:09:40,779 --> 00:09:49,138 HE TRIES TO HOLD BACK A SOB 177 00:09:49,140 --> 00:09:53,138 Oh... 178 00:09:53,140 --> 00:09:56,817 Do you want anything? I'll have a cup of tea. 179 00:09:56,819 --> 00:10:03,577 And a bacon sarnie. 180 00:10:03,579 --> 00:10:07,297 HE SIGHS HEAVILY 181 00:10:07,299 --> 00:10:11,098 What are we gonna do without her? 182 00:10:11,100 --> 00:10:13,297 She was our little girl. 183 00:10:13,299 --> 00:10:17,018 Here you go. Thank you. 184 00:10:17,020 --> 00:10:19,858 I asked to see you, John, because I want to know something. 185 00:10:19,860 --> 00:10:21,018 Oh... 186 00:10:21,020 --> 00:10:22,697 I want to know how you and your family 187 00:10:22,699 --> 00:10:24,258 were telling me you'd seen Becky 188 00:10:24,260 --> 00:10:27,978 when, all along, she was dead in the ground. 189 00:10:27,980 --> 00:10:29,937 No, it's not right. 190 00:10:29,939 --> 00:10:32,738 2003 she was murdered, John. 191 00:10:32,740 --> 00:10:35,138 But I've been told that your dad, your nephew, 192 00:10:35,140 --> 00:10:38,378 all different members of your family have said they've seen her 193 00:10:38,380 --> 00:10:42,138 as recent as a couple of years ago. I don't know. 194 00:10:42,140 --> 00:10:44,817 Maybe they got the dates wrong. Nonsense. 195 00:10:44,819 --> 00:10:46,098 Your dad... 196 00:10:46,100 --> 00:10:50,537 Your dad would remember when he saw his own granddaughter, wouldn't he? 197 00:10:50,539 --> 00:10:52,738 Well, his memory's not as good as it was. 198 00:10:52,740 --> 00:10:53,978 It's not good enough, John. 199 00:10:53,980 --> 00:10:57,657 Because while you lot were telling me you'd seen her, 200 00:10:57,659 --> 00:11:00,018 she never got properly reported as missing. 201 00:11:00,020 --> 00:11:01,898 HE SLURPS 202 00:11:01,900 --> 00:11:05,937 Well, you can't blame me for your own guilty conscience. 203 00:11:05,939 --> 00:11:07,098 I knew... 204 00:11:07,100 --> 00:11:10,297 I knew she would have come to see me if she was still alive. 205 00:11:10,299 --> 00:11:12,618 I knew it. 206 00:11:12,620 --> 00:11:13,858 Why, John? 207 00:11:13,860 --> 00:11:16,457 Oh... 208 00:11:16,459 --> 00:11:20,218 Was it...? 209 00:11:20,220 --> 00:11:22,378 Was it just to try and hurt me? 210 00:11:22,380 --> 00:11:23,618 Hm? Was that it? 211 00:11:23,620 --> 00:11:27,858 You're talking trash, as usual. 212 00:11:27,860 --> 00:11:39,618 God forgive you lot for what you've done. 213 00:11:39,620 --> 00:11:41,657 The reason I got in touch is, er... 214 00:11:41,659 --> 00:11:43,898 ..cos I shared a cell with Halliwell 215 00:11:43,900 --> 00:11:47,297 round about '87, '88 maybe. 216 00:11:47,299 --> 00:11:49,817 He was just in for nicking stuff, as I remember. 217 00:11:49,819 --> 00:11:53,697 And what was it that disturbed you? 218 00:11:53,699 --> 00:11:55,697 Two things I brought to mind. 219 00:11:55,699 --> 00:11:57,258 Er... 220 00:11:57,260 --> 00:11:59,417 Once, he asks me, 221 00:11:59,419 --> 00:12:04,338 "Have you ever had sex with a woman while you're strangling her?" 222 00:12:04,340 --> 00:12:07,378 I remember that. Another time, we're lying there on the bunks, 223 00:12:07,380 --> 00:12:09,537 and this time he asks me, 224 00:12:09,539 --> 00:12:13,498 "How many do you have to kill to be a serial killer?" 225 00:12:13,500 --> 00:12:14,738 Mm. 226 00:12:14,740 --> 00:12:18,898 Tends to stick in your mind, them sort of things. 227 00:12:18,900 --> 00:12:21,618 Oh, his big hero, I can tell you, 228 00:12:21,620 --> 00:12:27,498 was that Myra Hindley off the Moors Murders. 229 00:12:27,500 --> 00:12:29,057 They want to interview me. 230 00:12:29,059 --> 00:12:32,057 Yeah, they want to interview me about eight murders. 231 00:12:32,059 --> 00:12:34,978 From a phone call two days ago. 232 00:12:34,980 --> 00:12:36,457 Eight. 233 00:12:36,459 --> 00:12:39,057 Who's mentioned eight? Certainly not us. 234 00:12:39,059 --> 00:12:42,098 Who's he talking to? A mate of his he phoned from prison. 235 00:12:42,100 --> 00:12:43,898 He's known him since school. 236 00:12:43,900 --> 00:12:46,777 2003, Becky. 237 00:12:46,779 --> 00:12:48,618 2011, Sian. 238 00:12:48,620 --> 00:12:51,738 Eight years. Eight years, eight murders. 239 00:12:51,740 --> 00:12:54,258 This is surely grounds for further investigation. 240 00:12:54,260 --> 00:12:56,098 We have to step up resources again. 241 00:12:56,100 --> 00:12:58,738 Steve, I've decided I'm moving on. 242 00:12:58,740 --> 00:13:02,537 I'm going to take up a post with the UK Border Force. 243 00:13:02,539 --> 00:13:04,777 Regardless, this recording may not be enough 244 00:13:04,779 --> 00:13:06,457 to keep this investigation open. 245 00:13:06,459 --> 00:13:08,018 Sir... 246 00:13:08,020 --> 00:13:11,098 ..we are starting to get hits and matches 247 00:13:11,100 --> 00:13:13,577 with unsolved murders and missing persons. 248 00:13:13,579 --> 00:13:16,177 Locally, there's a sex worker went missing in the early '90s, 249 00:13:16,179 --> 00:13:18,978 body never found, last seen just around the corner 250 00:13:18,980 --> 00:13:21,297 from where Halliwell lived at the time. 251 00:13:21,299 --> 00:13:24,177 And there will be others, absolutely no doubt. 252 00:13:24,179 --> 00:13:26,657 Halliwell's hero is Myra Hindley. 253 00:13:26,659 --> 00:13:29,817 We need more resources, not less. 254 00:13:29,819 --> 00:13:32,338 Sir, we have got to investigate this properly, 255 00:13:32,340 --> 00:13:34,618 find out if there are any matches around the country. 256 00:13:34,620 --> 00:13:37,057 Steve, it's not going to be my call, OK? 257 00:13:37,059 --> 00:13:39,057 It's gonna be Pat Geenty taking over as Chief, 258 00:13:39,059 --> 00:13:41,338 and, no doubt, Mike Veale becoming his deputy. 259 00:13:41,340 --> 00:13:43,098 It's gonna be for them to decide 260 00:13:43,100 --> 00:13:56,419 if they want to put any more resources into this, not me. 261 00:14:03,900 --> 00:14:05,457 Evening. 262 00:14:05,459 --> 00:14:06,657 Nice to see you. 263 00:14:06,659 --> 00:14:08,297 Usual deal, none of what we talk about 264 00:14:08,299 --> 00:14:10,258 can be used by ITV until after the verdict. 265 00:14:10,260 --> 00:14:11,937 Yeah, agreed. 266 00:14:11,939 --> 00:14:13,858 Well, he's a serial killer. 267 00:14:13,860 --> 00:14:16,057 Rob, I am convinced of it. 268 00:14:16,059 --> 00:14:18,417 On top of the two that we know he's killed, 269 00:14:18,419 --> 00:14:20,057 I think there's probably another six. 270 00:14:20,059 --> 00:14:21,338 Six?! 271 00:14:21,340 --> 00:14:35,020 Mm-hm. But I need a bigger team to properly investigate him. 272 00:14:40,900 --> 00:14:42,498 I love that jacket. 273 00:14:42,500 --> 00:14:44,738 That was her favourite. I couldn't wear it. 274 00:14:44,740 --> 00:14:52,297 Just have it as a keepsake. 275 00:14:52,299 --> 00:15:00,618 Can you finish this one? 276 00:15:00,620 --> 00:15:04,378 When do you think you're going to move back in, Kev? 277 00:15:04,380 --> 00:15:18,059 I will at some point. But...just not now. 278 00:15:22,260 --> 00:15:27,738 Why don't you sort something out for her to wear? 279 00:15:27,740 --> 00:15:29,738 For the funeral. Don't tell me what you choose. 280 00:15:29,740 --> 00:15:39,408 It'll just be between the two of you. 281 00:15:46,525 --> 00:15:55,923 Not too tight. OK. 282 00:15:55,925 --> 00:16:05,322 You look so smart. 283 00:16:05,324 --> 00:16:06,883 Come on, Pete, Sharon's her auntie. 284 00:16:06,885 --> 00:16:08,802 It's only a poem, please. I'm sorry, Sharon, 285 00:16:08,804 --> 00:16:11,043 but we've only got a certain amount of allotted time 286 00:16:11,045 --> 00:16:13,523 and the service has all been very carefully worked out. 287 00:16:13,525 --> 00:16:16,363 But surely...? Elaine asked me to do it and I've done it. 288 00:16:16,365 --> 00:16:29,564 Is the timing really that precise? Mum, she's here! 289 00:16:59,365 --> 00:17:05,083 God bless her. 290 00:17:05,085 --> 00:17:07,403 MALE REPORTER: Close friends told me 291 00:17:07,405 --> 00:17:09,843 she was outgoing, loyal, fun, caring. 292 00:17:09,845 --> 00:17:12,123 A great auntie to her friends' children. 293 00:17:12,125 --> 00:17:16,962 A young women with so much promise, so much zest for life. 294 00:17:16,964 --> 00:17:19,123 That life was honoured today. 295 00:17:19,125 --> 00:17:27,762 Today proved how much she meant to this town. 296 00:17:27,764 --> 00:17:29,163 Are they for Sian? 297 00:17:29,165 --> 00:17:40,563 Yeah. 298 00:17:40,565 --> 00:17:42,522 Mint sauce? 299 00:17:42,524 --> 00:17:44,323 It's minted lamb! I like mint sauce. 300 00:17:44,325 --> 00:17:58,325 Well, how bloody minty do you want it? Minty. 301 00:17:59,684 --> 00:18:02,002 If we're doing this mother-daughter thing, how's work? 302 00:18:02,004 --> 00:18:04,522 OK. Just OK? 303 00:18:04,524 --> 00:18:08,962 I'm not gonna make a career out of it. 304 00:18:08,964 --> 00:18:22,724 I want to have babies, don't I? 305 00:18:23,125 --> 00:18:24,883 It'll be some time before we can... 306 00:18:24,885 --> 00:18:27,083 ..release Becky's body for burial. 307 00:18:27,085 --> 00:18:30,482 And we are aware that this is a distressing time for you. 308 00:18:30,484 --> 00:18:33,603 We want her back. Of course. 309 00:18:33,605 --> 00:18:39,002 Now, obviously, Becky's body was photographed as we found her. 310 00:18:39,004 --> 00:18:42,643 And as this is an image which will be shown in court... 311 00:18:42,645 --> 00:18:45,163 ..we wanted to give you the opportunity to view it first, 312 00:18:45,165 --> 00:18:49,163 should you feel you wanted to. 313 00:18:49,165 --> 00:18:50,482 Yeah? 314 00:18:50,484 --> 00:18:54,363 Yeah. OK. 315 00:18:54,365 --> 00:18:55,962 So... 316 00:18:55,964 --> 00:19:09,885 ..the main photo is her as we found her. 317 00:19:17,085 --> 00:19:19,363 Karen! No, I'm all right, I'm all right. 318 00:19:19,365 --> 00:19:22,083 Just leave me down here a minute. 319 00:19:22,085 --> 00:19:24,643 I'll get some water. 320 00:19:24,645 --> 00:19:28,482 SHE CLEARS HER THROAT 321 00:19:28,484 --> 00:19:30,923 He cut... 322 00:19:30,925 --> 00:19:33,163 He cut... 323 00:19:33,165 --> 00:19:35,202 He cut her head off... 324 00:19:35,204 --> 00:19:39,923 ..and her hands and her feet. 325 00:19:39,925 --> 00:19:41,883 The pathologist can't be sure 326 00:19:41,885 --> 00:19:45,923 whether Halliwell did that or if animals did. 327 00:19:45,925 --> 00:19:50,442 He did it. 328 00:19:50,444 --> 00:19:56,042 Come on, love, drink this. 329 00:19:56,044 --> 00:20:01,762 Why would he do that to a little girl? 330 00:20:01,764 --> 00:20:04,162 SHE SOBS 331 00:20:12,004 --> 00:20:13,563 125 quid fine. 332 00:20:13,565 --> 00:20:16,282 That's not actually too bad. And a drugs rehabilitation course. 333 00:20:16,284 --> 00:20:17,563 You can't take that lightly, 334 00:20:17,565 --> 00:20:19,603 or they'll put you back in prison, my young lady. 335 00:20:19,605 --> 00:20:21,442 I ain't done any drugs for three whole weeks. 336 00:20:21,444 --> 00:20:22,522 You'll be so proud of me. 337 00:20:22,524 --> 00:20:24,442 Also, look at that. What's that? 338 00:20:24,444 --> 00:20:26,843 One of those prison officers put a cigarette out on my arm. 339 00:20:26,845 --> 00:20:28,163 Such a bitch! 340 00:20:28,165 --> 00:20:30,042 Oh, can we keep the hood down? 341 00:20:30,044 --> 00:20:33,643 I love it with the hood down. And I don't smell bad, I just like it. 342 00:20:33,645 --> 00:20:36,323 We'll get you home, give you a nice bubble bath 343 00:20:36,325 --> 00:20:38,643 and then we'll go out for a posh dinner. 344 00:20:38,645 --> 00:20:42,762 How about that? Yeah. 345 00:20:42,764 --> 00:20:46,363 Mum... Yeah? 346 00:20:46,365 --> 00:20:52,363 Can I go see my boyfriend first? 347 00:20:52,365 --> 00:20:54,083 No. Please, Mum. 348 00:20:54,085 --> 00:20:55,962 I'm so excited to see him. I'll just... 349 00:20:55,964 --> 00:21:08,805 I'll pop in, I'll say hello. That'll be it. 350 00:21:13,484 --> 00:21:16,962 I'm not coming home, Mum. 351 00:21:16,964 --> 00:21:19,323 Becky, get in the car. 352 00:21:19,325 --> 00:21:21,563 I got... I got myself clean. 353 00:21:21,565 --> 00:21:28,883 I can't keep putting you through this. 354 00:21:28,885 --> 00:21:41,484 I'm sorry. 355 00:22:37,665 --> 00:22:41,022 How are you coping? OK. 356 00:22:41,024 --> 00:22:43,542 You don't feel the need for any anti-depressants? 357 00:22:43,544 --> 00:22:47,423 I don't see the point. I know why I am depressed. 358 00:22:47,425 --> 00:22:49,182 It was two girls, wasn't it? 359 00:22:49,184 --> 00:22:50,823 Sian and another girl. 360 00:22:50,825 --> 00:22:54,103 Just lift your arm. 361 00:22:54,105 --> 00:22:56,663 All of us here, we're... 362 00:22:56,665 --> 00:22:58,143 ..we're very sorry. 363 00:22:58,145 --> 00:23:01,663 That pisses me off. Sian's name always being mentioned 364 00:23:01,665 --> 00:23:04,903 in the same breath as the other girl. 365 00:23:04,905 --> 00:23:08,863 I'm so sorry, have I got that wrong? 366 00:23:08,865 --> 00:23:11,262 Erm, get dressed again. 367 00:23:11,264 --> 00:23:13,462 No, there was another victim. 368 00:23:13,464 --> 00:23:17,182 But the circumstances were completely different. 369 00:23:17,184 --> 00:23:21,182 She was a drug addict and a prostitute... 370 00:23:21,184 --> 00:23:25,903 ..and must have accepted there was a risk attached to her profession. 371 00:23:25,905 --> 00:23:29,262 Sian was an ordinary girl who had a boyfriend and a job in an office. 372 00:23:29,264 --> 00:23:31,742 She was just on a night out with her friends. 373 00:23:31,744 --> 00:23:33,982 Obviously, I feel sorry for Becky, 374 00:23:33,984 --> 00:23:38,462 but I'd hate for people to think Sian was the same as her. 375 00:23:38,464 --> 00:23:41,903 Well, Elaine, there is something there. 376 00:23:41,905 --> 00:23:46,143 So now we need to take a scan and a biopsy 377 00:23:46,145 --> 00:23:49,383 to try and work out exactly what it is. 378 00:23:49,385 --> 00:23:56,863 So, look, don't worry about it too much just yet. 379 00:23:56,865 --> 00:23:59,343 Are we seeing him today? No, just the lawyers. 380 00:23:59,345 --> 00:24:02,502 All the legal arguments. 381 00:24:02,504 --> 00:24:04,702 One of the solicitors said that Halliwell 382 00:24:04,704 --> 00:24:08,222 might try and claim that Sian is a prostitute. 383 00:24:08,224 --> 00:24:10,942 If they start saying that, I'm telling you now, I'm gonna lose it. 384 00:24:10,944 --> 00:24:12,863 They can't say that! They won't. 385 00:24:12,865 --> 00:24:17,063 We can clearly demonstrate she was nothing like Becky. 386 00:24:17,065 --> 00:24:24,903 We've got to wait in here, yeah? 387 00:24:24,905 --> 00:24:26,663 I'm Mick, Sian's dad. 388 00:24:26,665 --> 00:24:31,262 Pleased to meet you. This is, er, Debbie my wife. 389 00:24:31,264 --> 00:24:32,383 I can't believe Elaine and I 390 00:24:32,385 --> 00:24:34,182 have gone through what we've gone through, 391 00:24:34,184 --> 00:24:39,623 and, all along, we've only lived a few doors away from each other. 392 00:24:39,625 --> 00:24:47,663 But Becky and Sian are together forever now, aren't they? 393 00:24:47,665 --> 00:25:00,065 All rise. 394 00:25:15,544 --> 00:25:17,982 Mr Geenty, I am not allowed to give evidence, 395 00:25:17,984 --> 00:25:21,542 but I can tell you that, apart from in terrorism cases, 396 00:25:21,544 --> 00:25:23,303 I have never come across 397 00:25:23,305 --> 00:25:26,103 the urgent interview provision to PACE being used. 398 00:25:26,105 --> 00:25:30,863 It's a very unusual beast. Would you agree with that? 399 00:25:30,865 --> 00:25:34,303 Yes, it is. 400 00:25:34,305 --> 00:25:38,423 But what it does not mean is that, for example... 401 00:25:38,425 --> 00:25:40,343 ..you can abandon the need to caution. 402 00:25:40,345 --> 00:25:43,182 The PACE guidelines quite clearly indicate 403 00:25:43,184 --> 00:25:46,063 that a person is entitled to have his rights explained to him 404 00:25:46,065 --> 00:25:48,222 and a police officer's duty 405 00:25:48,224 --> 00:25:50,663 is to ensure that they understand those rights. 406 00:25:50,665 --> 00:25:52,542 It is. 407 00:25:52,544 --> 00:25:54,303 And that's an inviolate position. 408 00:25:54,305 --> 00:25:55,623 Yes, it is. 409 00:25:55,625 --> 00:25:59,103 But I have to say that I think the decision that Steve made was, 410 00:25:59,105 --> 00:26:03,782 to use the slang, a gutsy decision. 411 00:26:03,784 --> 00:26:09,903 I'd like to think I'd make a similar decision in the same circumstances. 412 00:26:09,905 --> 00:26:11,903 I've just been told the defence QC 413 00:26:11,905 --> 00:26:14,103 is going to move to have you excluded from the trial. 414 00:26:14,105 --> 00:26:15,383 What? 415 00:26:15,385 --> 00:26:16,982 I'm sure they're just trying it on. 416 00:26:16,984 --> 00:26:19,542 An attempt to rattle you before you testify today. 417 00:26:19,544 --> 00:26:22,063 But what it does mean is they don't really have any defence, 418 00:26:22,065 --> 00:26:23,623 except attacking you. 419 00:26:23,625 --> 00:26:26,303 So that's why they haven't put out a defence statement. 420 00:26:26,305 --> 00:26:27,742 Exactly. 421 00:26:27,744 --> 00:26:30,863 Right. Thanks, Ian. 422 00:26:30,865 --> 00:26:33,782 I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, 423 00:26:33,784 --> 00:26:35,423 so help me God. 424 00:26:35,425 --> 00:26:36,982 Detective Superintendent Fulcher, 425 00:26:36,984 --> 00:26:38,823 you knew that Sian O'Callaghan was dead 426 00:26:38,825 --> 00:26:41,423 long before you met Mr Halliwell in that car park, didn't you? 427 00:26:41,425 --> 00:26:45,462 I had no way of knowing if she was dead or alive. 428 00:26:45,464 --> 00:26:47,702 Looking through your own notes at the time, 429 00:26:47,704 --> 00:26:50,022 you talk about "the prospect of recovering her body". 430 00:26:50,024 --> 00:26:53,623 You believed she was dead, didn't you? 431 00:26:53,625 --> 00:26:56,182 Er, I think you're missing the point here. 432 00:26:56,184 --> 00:26:59,903 What I thought, er, hoped or even believed 433 00:26:59,905 --> 00:27:04,343 is irrelevant to the execution of my duties as a police officer 434 00:27:04,345 --> 00:27:08,103 and my responsibilities to Sian O'Callaghan. 435 00:27:08,105 --> 00:27:10,782 Barbury Castle's a remote area, isn't it? 436 00:27:10,784 --> 00:27:12,942 Yes, I suppose it is. 437 00:27:12,944 --> 00:27:15,903 About as different from the custody suite of Gable Cross Police Station 438 00:27:15,905 --> 00:27:20,343 as it is possible to envisage, isn't it? Yes. 439 00:27:20,345 --> 00:27:22,782 What I suggest to you is that you took Mr Halliwell there 440 00:27:22,784 --> 00:27:24,502 because you thought that would be 441 00:27:24,504 --> 00:27:26,823 an additional element of pressure upon him. 442 00:27:26,825 --> 00:27:29,782 That's what you were doing, isn't it? 443 00:27:29,784 --> 00:27:34,423 I believed Barbury Castle was most likely to be where Sian was, 444 00:27:34,425 --> 00:27:37,022 and that, if I took Christopher there for an urgent interview, 445 00:27:37,024 --> 00:27:39,502 it would necessarily mean getting to her quicker, 446 00:27:39,504 --> 00:27:41,823 if he was prepared to tell us where she was. 447 00:27:41,825 --> 00:27:44,423 And if that involved abandoning his PACE rights, 448 00:27:44,425 --> 00:27:46,182 you were prepared to do that? 449 00:27:46,184 --> 00:27:48,383 I believed the urgent interview provision 450 00:27:48,385 --> 00:27:50,863 enabled me to take the course of action that I did. 451 00:27:50,865 --> 00:27:53,782 Mr Fulcher, your own deputy, Detective Inspector Kirby, 452 00:27:53,784 --> 00:27:55,022 told you it was not a good idea 453 00:27:55,024 --> 00:27:57,383 for you to conduct an additional urgent interview 454 00:27:57,385 --> 00:28:00,623 yourself with Halliwell, didn't he? 455 00:28:00,625 --> 00:28:02,982 Yes, he did. 456 00:28:02,984 --> 00:28:05,623 He said you'd be sailing very close to the wind, 457 00:28:05,625 --> 00:28:09,663 in terms of a breach of PACE, didn't he? 458 00:28:09,665 --> 00:28:15,182 Words to that effect. 459 00:28:15,184 --> 00:28:17,143 I can't believe he didn't caution Halliwell. 460 00:28:17,145 --> 00:28:19,343 Why didn't he just do it when he was talking to him? 461 00:28:19,345 --> 00:28:20,623 It's not just the caution, Mum. 462 00:28:20,625 --> 00:28:24,383 They've got to take him to a police station and give him a solicitor. 463 00:28:24,385 --> 00:28:25,782 I feel so sorry for Steve. 464 00:28:25,784 --> 00:28:28,103 That bloody lawyer is really going for him. 465 00:28:28,105 --> 00:28:30,063 I think he's made a mistake. 466 00:28:30,065 --> 00:28:33,143 But if he hadn't done what he did, we'd never have found Becky. 467 00:28:33,145 --> 00:28:40,863 A big fucking mistake. 468 00:28:40,865 --> 00:28:43,823 Let's move on now to the "Do you want another one?" conversation. 469 00:28:43,825 --> 00:28:46,222 As soon as he began talking to you, 470 00:28:46,224 --> 00:28:50,303 you appreciated it had nothing to do with the Sian investigation. 471 00:28:50,305 --> 00:28:51,583 Yes. 472 00:28:51,585 --> 00:28:54,462 Well, surely, as the conversation progressed, you should have said, 473 00:28:54,464 --> 00:28:57,303 "Look, we'll talk about this at the police station later." 474 00:28:57,305 --> 00:28:59,823 That's what you should have said, shouldn't you? 475 00:28:59,825 --> 00:29:01,863 My view was that we were in the moment. 476 00:29:01,865 --> 00:29:04,423 If he was offering the information, I would rather have it 477 00:29:04,425 --> 00:29:07,103 and not curtail it, than not find Becky Godden. 478 00:29:07,105 --> 00:29:09,863 And once Mr Halliwell was taken back to Gable Cross Police Station 479 00:29:09,865 --> 00:29:12,103 and given a solicitor, to your intense annoyance, 480 00:29:12,105 --> 00:29:13,623 he decided he didn't want to answer 481 00:29:13,625 --> 00:29:15,383 any further questions in an interview. 482 00:29:15,385 --> 00:29:18,222 It was frustrating, yes. 483 00:29:18,224 --> 00:29:21,383 And you and your team went out of your way to undermine Mr Coleman, 484 00:29:21,385 --> 00:29:28,623 who attended throughout the interview process, didn't you? 485 00:29:28,625 --> 00:29:32,222 I thought it was utterly ridiculous... 486 00:29:32,224 --> 00:29:36,022 ..that an individual, who had taken me and numerous other people 487 00:29:36,024 --> 00:29:39,502 from a surveillance convoy to two dead bodies, 488 00:29:39,504 --> 00:29:43,383 should seek to find some mechanism, some... 489 00:29:43,385 --> 00:29:45,542 ..quirk of the law, some loophole, 490 00:29:45,544 --> 00:29:49,663 to get him away from the fact that he was a multiple murderer. 491 00:29:49,665 --> 00:29:57,942 So PACE, in your view, is a loophole? 492 00:29:57,944 --> 00:29:59,782 It was a travesty! 493 00:29:59,784 --> 00:30:01,542 It was like I was on trial. 494 00:30:01,544 --> 00:30:03,103 What about the judge? 495 00:30:03,105 --> 00:30:05,022 Hm, it's hard to tell. 496 00:30:05,024 --> 00:30:07,423 She did seem more impressed with their QC than ours, 497 00:30:07,425 --> 00:30:09,663 I could see that. 498 00:30:09,665 --> 00:30:13,063 And this is the first criminal case she's ever presided over. 499 00:30:13,065 --> 00:30:16,262 Up to now, she's just done family stuff, you know. 500 00:30:16,264 --> 00:30:18,663 But it's not just that Halliwell confessed. 501 00:30:18,665 --> 00:30:20,982 He confessed and he took you to the bodies. 502 00:30:20,984 --> 00:30:23,542 How can that be a problem? I don't know. 503 00:30:23,544 --> 00:30:26,702 I mean, their side were looking very confident. 504 00:30:26,704 --> 00:30:29,222 They're trying to paint me as some sort of renegade 505 00:30:29,224 --> 00:30:30,502 acting outside of the law. 506 00:30:30,504 --> 00:30:43,385 But the judge has to see through that. 507 00:30:58,024 --> 00:31:02,623 I have considered the evidence and oral submissions with care 508 00:31:02,625 --> 00:31:05,702 and I find, on the balance of probabilities, 509 00:31:05,704 --> 00:31:08,303 that the defendant's confession 510 00:31:08,305 --> 00:31:12,103 relating to the location of Sian O'Callaghan's body 511 00:31:12,105 --> 00:31:14,343 may have been obtained by oppression. 512 00:31:14,345 --> 00:31:20,303 MUTTERING AND WHISPERING 513 00:31:20,305 --> 00:31:23,863 With regard to Becky Godden-Edwards, 514 00:31:23,865 --> 00:31:27,863 as soon as the defendant began to talk about another offence, 515 00:31:27,865 --> 00:31:32,383 he should have been immediately re-arrested and cautioned. 516 00:31:32,385 --> 00:31:36,462 The urgent interview criteria had, at that point, expired. 517 00:31:36,464 --> 00:31:38,502 There should have been no further discussion 518 00:31:38,504 --> 00:31:41,903 and the defendant should have been taken to a police station. 519 00:31:41,905 --> 00:31:45,063 This whole series of events began 520 00:31:45,065 --> 00:31:47,903 with a deliberate decision by a senior officer 521 00:31:47,905 --> 00:31:50,462 to breach the PACE code. 522 00:31:50,464 --> 00:31:52,942 And whilst Detective Superintendent Fulcher 523 00:31:52,944 --> 00:31:54,782 was entitled to adopt an approach 524 00:31:54,784 --> 00:31:58,383 which would lead to the gathering of intelligence and information, 525 00:31:58,385 --> 00:32:02,623 what resulted was not, in my judgment, 526 00:32:02,625 --> 00:32:04,782 such as can fairly constitute 527 00:32:04,784 --> 00:32:15,378 admissible evidence in a criminal trial. 528 00:32:17,819 --> 00:32:22,858 Yeah, well, he's going to have to explain this at the trial. 529 00:32:22,860 --> 00:32:24,138 Are you all right? 530 00:32:24,140 --> 00:32:36,217 DOOR OPENS 531 00:32:36,219 --> 00:32:43,017 Er, good afternoon, everybody. 532 00:32:43,019 --> 00:32:46,457 So, the first thing to say is that we should still be OK 533 00:32:46,459 --> 00:32:48,178 with the case against him for Sian. 534 00:32:48,180 --> 00:32:50,338 We have the DNA evidence. 535 00:32:50,340 --> 00:32:55,297 Her blood in his car, his DNA on her body. 536 00:32:55,299 --> 00:33:01,257 And what about Becky? 537 00:33:01,259 --> 00:33:04,938 The confession evidence is all we had. 538 00:33:04,940 --> 00:33:07,098 And, er, I'm afraid, without that, 539 00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:11,098 we'll have to take her name off the indictment. 540 00:33:11,100 --> 00:33:12,497 What, you...? 541 00:33:12,499 --> 00:33:14,418 What, you mean he is not going to stand trial 542 00:33:14,420 --> 00:33:17,777 for murdering my daughter? 543 00:33:17,779 --> 00:33:20,098 I'm sorry. 544 00:33:20,100 --> 00:33:22,098 Well, this is Fulcher's fault! 545 00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:26,977 He's fucked up here, he has! 546 00:33:26,979 --> 00:33:29,618 How can this be fair? 547 00:33:29,620 --> 00:33:31,777 Everybody knows he did it. 548 00:33:31,779 --> 00:33:34,858 That judge knows it. The lawyer knows it. You know it. I know it. 549 00:33:34,860 --> 00:33:37,217 So how can that be right? 550 00:33:37,219 --> 00:33:46,698 Please, can you just tell me, how can this be right? 551 00:33:46,700 --> 00:33:49,178 WOMAN REPORTER: Christopher Halliwell was brought to court 552 00:33:49,180 --> 00:33:50,498 under police protection. 553 00:33:50,500 --> 00:33:53,417 The 47-year-old mini cab driver is accused of killing Sian 554 00:33:53,419 --> 00:33:55,618 as she walked home alone from a girls' night out. 555 00:33:55,620 --> 00:33:58,138 MAN: Come here, you! BANGING ON THE VAN 556 00:33:58,140 --> 00:34:00,098 The police had asked them to stay calm 557 00:34:00,100 --> 00:34:02,337 and let the legal process take its course. 558 00:34:02,339 --> 00:34:03,817 BANGING ON THE VAN 559 00:34:03,819 --> 00:34:06,817 But the strength of feeling is etched on people's faces here. 560 00:34:06,819 --> 00:34:19,739 CROWD SHOUTS ABUSE 561 00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:54,580 DOOR OPENS 562 00:35:26,819 --> 00:35:35,018 Will the defendant please rise? 563 00:35:35,020 --> 00:35:40,018 Christopher John Halliwell, you are charged that, on March 19th, 2011, 564 00:35:40,020 --> 00:35:44,417 you did murder Sian O'Callaghan, contrary to common law. 565 00:35:44,419 --> 00:35:53,138 How do you plead? 566 00:35:53,140 --> 00:36:04,098 Guilty. 567 00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:05,897 Christopher John Halliwell, 568 00:36:05,899 --> 00:36:10,897 you have advanced little by way of mitigation. 569 00:36:10,899 --> 00:36:14,138 I accept, however, that your plea of guilty 570 00:36:14,140 --> 00:36:18,698 has avoided Sian's family having to endure a trial, 571 00:36:18,700 --> 00:36:20,658 which is an important factor. 572 00:36:20,660 --> 00:36:24,737 Having careful regard to the overall seriousness of this offence, 573 00:36:24,739 --> 00:36:27,857 the starting point will be 30 years. 574 00:36:27,859 --> 00:36:32,817 However, I will allow a discount of five years for your plea of guilty. 575 00:36:32,819 --> 00:36:35,937 I therefore rule that the minimum term that you shall serve 576 00:36:35,939 --> 00:36:39,978 will be 25 years. 577 00:36:39,980 --> 00:36:47,937 Take him down. 578 00:36:47,939 --> 00:36:53,377 All rise. 579 00:36:53,379 --> 00:36:55,978 WOMAN REPORTER: Christopher Halliwell could have been facing 580 00:36:55,980 --> 00:36:58,498 a jail term for murders of two women. 581 00:36:58,500 --> 00:37:00,817 Instead, he was given life for one 582 00:37:00,819 --> 00:37:14,020 and, it appears, escaped justice for another. 583 00:37:15,779 --> 00:37:19,098 So, I came to apologise to you both. 584 00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:21,937 You have got nothing to apologise for, Steve. 585 00:37:21,939 --> 00:37:23,297 Well... 586 00:37:23,299 --> 00:37:25,857 If you hadn't done what you did, we'd never have found Becky. 587 00:37:25,859 --> 00:37:27,098 Well... 588 00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:29,257 ..not everyone sees it that way. 589 00:37:29,259 --> 00:37:30,737 What I can't understand 590 00:37:30,739 --> 00:37:34,257 is why nobody seems to be applying any common sense here. 591 00:37:34,259 --> 00:37:36,257 Why would that lawyer be fighting so hard 592 00:37:36,259 --> 00:37:37,978 to set free someone like Halliwell, 593 00:37:37,980 --> 00:37:40,857 who's admitted, himself, that he killed two young girls? 594 00:37:40,859 --> 00:37:44,658 Why put all that effort into defending someone who's guilty? 595 00:37:44,660 --> 00:37:46,857 Oh, I don't know, the principle, I guess. 596 00:37:46,859 --> 00:37:48,257 What principle? 597 00:37:48,259 --> 00:37:49,897 And what about justice? 598 00:37:49,899 --> 00:37:52,377 They say that Halliwell was oppressed by you. 599 00:37:52,379 --> 00:37:54,618 Well, I bet Becky and Sian were oppressed by him 600 00:37:54,620 --> 00:37:57,337 just before he killed them, but... 601 00:37:57,339 --> 00:38:02,337 ..that doesn't seem to matter, does it? 602 00:38:02,339 --> 00:38:04,857 Look, I've thought about this a lot and... 603 00:38:04,859 --> 00:38:09,098 ..if it's any consolation, I can honestly say, hand on heart, 604 00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:12,458 I wouldn't have done anything different. I don't see how I could. 605 00:38:12,460 --> 00:38:15,337 We're behind you one hundred percent, Steve. 606 00:38:15,339 --> 00:38:16,777 Mm. 607 00:38:16,779 --> 00:38:19,498 You brought my little girl home. 608 00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:22,897 We can't thank you enough for what you've done for us. 609 00:38:22,899 --> 00:38:24,618 Thank you. 610 00:38:24,620 --> 00:38:35,018 That does mean a lot to me. 611 00:38:35,020 --> 00:38:37,217 Contact the DVLA, madam, and they'll deal with it. 612 00:38:37,219 --> 00:38:41,618 OK, all right. Thank you. 613 00:38:41,620 --> 00:38:44,257 Yes, sir? 614 00:38:44,259 --> 00:38:48,138 I want to make a complaint about one of your police officers. 615 00:38:48,140 --> 00:38:49,937 His name... 616 00:38:49,939 --> 00:38:59,498 ..is Detective Superintendent Stephen Fulcher. 617 00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:02,737 Well, it's a complaint, Steve. A complaint's a complaint. 618 00:39:02,739 --> 00:39:05,098 And as the lead for Professional Standards for the force, 619 00:39:05,100 --> 00:39:06,377 I have to take it seriously. 620 00:39:06,379 --> 00:39:09,458 But half the stuff he's complaining about is nothing to do with me. 621 00:39:09,460 --> 00:39:11,658 I mean, not being invited to a press conference. 622 00:39:11,660 --> 00:39:14,217 Us calling her Becky Godden-Edwards, not just Godden. 623 00:39:14,219 --> 00:39:15,618 I had no say in that. 624 00:39:15,620 --> 00:39:18,257 And the thing about my actions preventing justice for Becky... 625 00:39:18,259 --> 00:39:20,978 We wouldn't have found Becky if it wasn't for my actions. 626 00:39:20,980 --> 00:39:23,857 Well, I'll have to make a decision on whether to refer it to the IPCC 627 00:39:23,859 --> 00:39:26,937 and whether it constitutes just misconduct or gross misconduct. 628 00:39:26,939 --> 00:39:33,337 Really? Mm. 629 00:39:33,339 --> 00:39:36,098 HE SIGHS HEAVILY 630 00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:37,337 Ah. Steve. 631 00:39:37,339 --> 00:39:39,578 Sir, I need a word. 632 00:39:39,580 --> 00:39:51,859 OK. Thanks. 633 00:40:05,620 --> 00:40:07,857 What is it? 634 00:40:07,859 --> 00:40:10,058 It's all clear. 635 00:40:10,060 --> 00:40:11,618 What is? 636 00:40:11,620 --> 00:40:13,578 I had a biopsy. 637 00:40:13,580 --> 00:40:22,578 But you told me... It's benign. 638 00:40:22,580 --> 00:40:33,498 Don't you ever go through something like that on your own again, hm? 639 00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:36,937 I just feel guilty. 640 00:40:36,939 --> 00:40:44,377 Guilty that it's me who's been given another chance. 641 00:40:44,379 --> 00:40:46,978 I'm sorry, sir, but it's bollocks. 642 00:40:46,980 --> 00:40:49,538 None of what he's complaining about makes any sense. 643 00:40:49,540 --> 00:40:51,777 And, for most of his points, I'm the wrong respondent. 644 00:40:51,779 --> 00:40:53,257 All right, leave it with me, Steve. 645 00:40:53,259 --> 00:40:55,658 I'll have a quiet word with Mike. Would you? 646 00:40:55,660 --> 00:41:01,937 I'd appreciate that. Thanks. 647 00:41:01,939 --> 00:41:05,058 Oh, hello. Come in. 648 00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:08,737 Thanks. 649 00:41:08,739 --> 00:41:10,937 As you know, the case against Halliwell 650 00:41:10,939 --> 00:41:14,018 for Becky's murder collapsed in court. 651 00:41:14,020 --> 00:41:17,737 But at least we were able to answer the mystery of her disappearance 652 00:41:17,739 --> 00:41:22,377 and end what must have been for you the terrible pain of not knowing. 653 00:41:22,379 --> 00:41:23,618 Yes. 654 00:41:23,620 --> 00:41:26,698 And, for that, we are very grateful to Steve Fulcher. 655 00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:29,297 The good news is that we were able to convict Halliwell 656 00:41:29,299 --> 00:41:31,098 for Sian's murder. 657 00:41:31,100 --> 00:41:35,737 And, as you know, he received a sentence of 25 years' imprisonment. 658 00:41:35,739 --> 00:41:37,937 Yeah, minus the time he's spent on remand. 659 00:41:37,939 --> 00:41:40,058 Yeah. 660 00:41:40,060 --> 00:41:43,058 Given that we do not have enough evidence 661 00:41:43,060 --> 00:41:45,297 to convict Halliwell for Becky's murder, 662 00:41:45,299 --> 00:41:50,538 Wiltshire Police Service hopes that you are, er, satisfied... 663 00:41:50,540 --> 00:41:52,817 ..that, were Halliwell ever to be released, 664 00:41:52,819 --> 00:41:54,978 he would be a very, very old man. 665 00:41:54,980 --> 00:41:58,817 You see, you don't understand me at all. 666 00:41:58,819 --> 00:42:01,857 Yes, Halliwell is going to be in prison for a very long time, 667 00:42:01,859 --> 00:42:04,138 but not so long that he won't ever get out. 668 00:42:04,140 --> 00:42:06,098 And Sian's family have got justice. 669 00:42:06,100 --> 00:42:08,458 And I'm pleased for them. Truly, I am. 670 00:42:08,460 --> 00:42:10,178 But where is Becky in the pecking order? 671 00:42:10,180 --> 00:42:12,618 She's right down at the bottom, where's she's always been. 672 00:42:12,620 --> 00:42:16,538 How dare you trample over my daughter? 673 00:42:16,540 --> 00:42:19,337 We're not gonna let go of this, not one bit. 674 00:42:19,339 --> 00:42:22,498 Not till that man is made to pay for what he did to my Becky. 675 00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:25,018 So you go back and you tell your bosses, no, I am not satisfied. 676 00:42:25,020 --> 00:42:37,419 Not at all. 677 00:42:40,580 --> 00:42:42,018 Steve... 678 00:42:42,020 --> 00:42:43,817 I had a word with Mike. 679 00:42:43,819 --> 00:42:48,618 Unfortunately, he's already referred it to the IPCC. 680 00:42:48,620 --> 00:42:50,777 They're going to charge you. 681 00:42:50,779 --> 00:42:53,377 Gross misconduct. 682 00:42:53,379 --> 00:42:57,978 Sorry. 683 00:42:57,980 --> 00:42:59,098 DOOR CLOSES 684 00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:00,178 Fuck... 685 00:43:00,180 --> 00:43:03,239 Fuck, fuck, fuck... 52879

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