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This whole series of events
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began with a deliberate decision
by a senior officer
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to breach the PACE code.
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Do you want another one?
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Another one?
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What resulted was not admissible
evidence in a criminal trial.
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We should still be OK
with the case against him for Sian.
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We have the DNA evidence.
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Her blood in his car,
his DNA on her body.
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What about Becky?
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The confession evidence is all we had.
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And, er, I'm afraid, without that,
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we'll have to take her name
off the indictment.
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Well, this is Fulcher's fault!
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Usual deal. None of what we talk about
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can be used by ITV
until after the verdict.
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Yeah, agreed.
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Well, he's a serial killer, Rob.
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I am convinced of it.
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His big hero was that Myra Hindley
off the Moors Murders.
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I want to make a complaint
about one of your police officers.
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Well, it's a complaint, Steve.
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We'll have to decide
whether it constitutes
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just misconduct or gross misconduct.
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- Really?
- He said they were gunning for him.
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He felt abandoned
by Wiltshire Police, cut adrift.
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But where is Becky in the pecking order?
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Right down at the bottom,
where she's always been.
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So you go back and you tell
your bosses, no, I am not satisfied.
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Not at all.
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I had a word with Mike.
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Unfortunately, he's already
referred it to the IPCC.
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They're going to charge you.
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Gross misconduct.
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- Happy anniversary!
- Oh...
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- Thank you very much.
- Happy anniversary, Mum.
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Happy anniversary, Dad.
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Oh, that's lovely!
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Oh, thank you. That's beautiful.
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- They helped me choose it. Didn't you?
- Just a little bit.
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- Thank you.
- Thank you.
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Ah-ha!
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I've always wanted...
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It's got a little red light that
flashes if you're too stressed
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- and you press it too hard.
- Do you think I'm stressed?
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- Mm, maybe...
- And I thought I was hiding it.
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[LAUGHTER]
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- Maybe a little bit.
- Keep out of it, you.
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- The card's from all three of us.
- Thank you very much.
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- We're behind you.
- Thank you.
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- Happy anniversary.
- Mm-hm.
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That helps me a lot, I'll tell you.
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We have statements from prostitutes
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putting Halliwell with Becky
in the lead-up to the murder.
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We have the guy he shared a cell with
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saying that he liked
to strangle women during sex.
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It's all there.
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Eight murders,
he told his mate on the phone.
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Now, we know about two.
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Who's out there
looking for the other six?
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It's not me. I'm sat on my arse
on restricted duties.
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Have they, er, set a date
for your disciplinary hearing?
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Before the end of the year.
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Meanwhile, I'm in total...
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...limbo.
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No case, no team.
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The knives are out for me, too.
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- What?
- Mike Veale suddenly announced to me
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that he didn't need me
as a staff officer any more.
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He thought I'd resign.
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I refused to.
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Then I find this week that
he's appointed a new staff officer.
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It's a joke.
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I mean, this is my problem.
They can't go after you, too.
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I'm going to have this out with them.
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Steve, don't. Steve...
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- Pat, can I have a quick word?
- Steve...
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Listen, I know there's a lot of flak
flying around,
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but it's not fair to...
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What's wrong with your phone?
I've been trying to call you.
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- I had it on charge.
- Mike Veale wants to see you.
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OK.
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I'll tell him you're on your way.
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- 25 years Halliwell got.
- That's Karen.
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He'll get out, so he'll have
plenty of his life in front of him.
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I feel for her, of course I do. But...
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Fulcher broke the law.
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You know that.
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I don't really know what I think
any more, to be honest.
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I know I'd rather not get into this
right here and now with Karen.
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- I'll sign.
- Oh, thank you.
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Thank you very much.
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You're actually the first.
That's... It's all my family there.
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That's... That's me at the top.
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Thank you.
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25 years...
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...Halliwell got. And he'll get out.
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- [HE KNOCKS]
- Mike wanted to see me?
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Oh, right, Steve. Just a minute.
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[KNOCK ON DOOR]
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[HE CLEARS HIS THROAT]
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Mike will see you now.
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Thank you.
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Hello, Steve. Come in. Sit down.
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[DOOR CLOSES]
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- Mike. Kier.
- Steve.
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I asked DCS Pritchard
to be here this morning
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to make a note of everything.
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Now, I have to tell you, Steve,
that I am suspending you from duty
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with immediate effect.
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It's been brought to my attention
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that you had an unauthorised meeting
with a member of the press,
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the ITV journalist Rob Murphy,
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during which you discussed
Operation Mayan.
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This is a meeting that you were
expressly forbidden to attend.
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An officer from a neighbouring force
happened to be in the pub that night
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and witnessed the meeting
and reported it to Kier.
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Well, as you know, Steve,
I expressly told you
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you're not to do any interviews
with journalists.
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I don't recall any conversation
along those lines, Kier.
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I mentioned it
at one of the routines recently.
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Mm-hm.
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Now, I consider this matter
to be serious enough
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to warrant immediate suspension.
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- Do you have anything to say?
- No, I don't.
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Very well, could you please give me
your pass and warrant card?
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You will now be escorted
from the premises by Tom,
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who's waiting for you outside.
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He'll accompany you to your house
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to recover any force documents
or property.
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Do you understand what I've said to you?
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I do.
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I'll ask you again
if you have anything to say.
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I don't.
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Fine. That's everything.
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Er, I'll take the phone.
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- Can I at least call my wife?
- I'm afraid not.
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Oh, could I have that, please, sir?
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Are you coming in?
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Oh, it's Steve.
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Maughan and Ned are here.
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- Er, where's the laptop, please?
- What's going on?
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It's in the kitchen on the dining table.
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Would you accompany me in there, please?
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- Steve...?
- I've been suspended.
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What?! My mum and dad are in there.
Can I get it for you?
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I'm sorry.
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Hi, folks. Hello.
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- Hi, Steve.
- Hello.
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- Is this it?
- Yes.
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- Everything all right?
- Yes, it's a work thing.
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And she was going round
all of the toilets in the school
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and she slid under all the doors,
locked them,
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and then slid back out again
so that all the doors,
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all the toilets in the whole school
were locked.
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- How stupid.
- Mm, goodness.
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I mean, it's kind of silly
for her to get expelled,
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because she's a good student,
she's got good grades.
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It's not that big a
deal, it's just a joke.
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Just cos she's your friend.
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Do you remember Amelia
who was here last week?
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- Oh, yeah.
- You know, the really bitchy one.
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- She's not really bitchy.
- Yes, she is.
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She's not that bad.
But she's started to...
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Don't worry.
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Er, would you like to come through?
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Thank you.
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Thank you for coming to see me,
Mrs Edwards.
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The IPCC is an independent body
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that's been set up to examine
complaints against the police.
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I've asked you to come and see me
today to discuss a complaint
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that has been made against the
officer leading the investigation
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into the murder of your daughter Rebecca.
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Against Steve Fulcher?
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Detective Superintendent Fulcher,
that's correct.
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I wanted to know if you wanted
to add your name
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to the complaint against him.
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Who's made this complaint?
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Rebecca's father, John Godden.
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You're joking! John?!
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Oh, you've got to be kidding! That's...
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Have you met John Godden?
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All complaints about the police
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must be dealt with without prejudice.
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And it has been deemed that
the points Mr Godden has raised
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are serious enough
to warrant an investigation.
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Specifically, Detective
Superintendent Fulcher's failure
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to apply the rules of PACE
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to his interview with the chief
suspect Christopher Halliwell
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and prevented justice for his daughter.
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But if it wasn't for Steve Fulcher
we'd never have found our daughter.
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So, how does he work that one out?
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So, you don't agree
with your ex-husband's view
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about Chief Superintendent Fulcher's
conduct?
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No. We bloody don't.
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If Mrs Edwards could answer
the question, please.
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No, I bloody well don't!
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We've got to help him, Charlie.
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We can't leave him
to be thrown to the wolves.
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You know, I'm sure it suits them
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to make out he's the one that messed up.
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You know, "It's not us, it's him."
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But you can't take on everyone, Karen.
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So, they're after Steve's blood.
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But the man who murdered Becky
has got away with it.
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- How do you work that one out?
- Come on, love, get in.
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No, justice for Steve
is justice for Becky.
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It's only a bloody can of Coke.
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He just had to ask first.
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And I have told him that
time and time again.
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He has no male role model in his life.
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Mick only sees him every other weekend.
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To all intents and purposes,
I'm his father now.
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Let me in, Elaine.
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I want to help.
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[DOORBELL RINGS]
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- [DOOR OPENS]
- Lauren!
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- I was just passing.
- Come in. It's so lovely to see you.
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Come in.
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- Are you going to come and say hello?
- I'm all right in here.
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Elaine... This is my daughter.
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- We don't get on, Pete.
- Yeah, I know.
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But can't you just be the bigger person?
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Come on, love, let's go through.
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[TELEPHONE RINGS]
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Hello?
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Of course.
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OK, he's ready to see you now.
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Thank you very much.
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This is a great pleasure
to meet you, Mr Edwards.
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- Charlie.
- Please...
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Thank you very much for seeing us,
Mr Buckland.
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- Not at all.
- I know you must be very busy.
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You've got all the documents I sent you.
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- Mm.
- I feel very passionate about this.
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Halliwell must be prosecuted
for the murder of my daughter.
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Not just so Becky gets justice,
but cos the police officer involved,
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Detective Superintendent Fulcher,
because it's not fair
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that he should be facing
losing his career over this
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- when all he did was try to save...
- Karen, not all at once.
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You're bombarding the man.
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Sorry. It's just, once I start, I...
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...I find it hard to stop.
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But what I wanted to say,
and I know you're a lawyer yourself,
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is I think there's a grey area here
with PACE.
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I agree.
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You agree?
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Yes.
250
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Yeah, I think PACE does need
to be looked at.
251
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So...
252
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...can you help us?
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You've started a petition?
254
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Yes, we've got over 7,000 signatures
so far.
255
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Right, you need to get that number
up as high as you possibly can.
256
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If I'm to lobby the Government,
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the higher the number,
the more they'll take notice.
258
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And you also need to keep on doing
your radio and TV interviews
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whenever you get the chance.
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You see, the more the campaign
features in the press,
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the likelihood increases
that the Government
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could ask Wiltshire Police Service
some awkward questions.
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Oh, right.
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You need to be visible, Mrs Edwards,
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and make people aware
of PACE's limitations.
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But to answer your question simply,
then...
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...yes, I'd like to try and help you.
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Oh, thank you!
Thank you very much, Mr Buckland!
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- Hey.
- Hi!
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Hi, how are you doing?
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Nice to see you.
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Can I get you a drink?
273
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- Erm, red wine.
- Mm-hm.
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Thank you.
275
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They've sent a file off
to the Crown Prosecution Service
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for a criminal prosecution against you.
277
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Criminal? What for?
278
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Malfeasance in a public office.
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Malfeasance?!
280
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They want to put him in prison now?
281
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Malfeasance is about abuse of office.
282
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Trying to find Sian alive
283
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and trying to recover the body
of a missing girl isn't malfeasance.
284
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I mean, if that's the case,
who is the victim?
285
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Hm? It'd have to be Halliwell.
286
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The prosecution case would
have to be that, but for my actions,
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poor old Christopher Halliwell
would be a free man.
288
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Well, the CPS threw it out.
But it shows you their mind-set.
289
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Seems they want to get you for something.
290
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I'm going to the loo.
291
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I may well throw up.
292
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This is driving her mad.
293
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She wants me to resign.
294
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And do what? I've been a detective
for more than 20 years.
295
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Please, don't jump yet, Steve.
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At least wait until you see a lawyer
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about your defence
for the disciplinary hearing.
298
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Hear what he has to say. I can't
believe they won't exonerate you
299
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- once they hear the evidence.
- Mm-hm.
300
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What's happening to you
is horrible and unfair.
301
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But you mustn't give in.
302
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I'm not an expert and I've never
done anything like this before.
303
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And I've discovered I actually
hate the sound of my own voice.
304
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[CHUCKLING]
305
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But I am a mother
who has lost her daughter.
306
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And I feel that gives me the right
to speak my mind.
307
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Because I am absolutely raging
about this inside.
308
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My daughter had her problems.
309
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But that doesn't mean
she doesn't deserve justice.
310
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That doesn't mean we should treat
her any differently to anybody else
311
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who's had their life
snatched away from them.
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I'm asking the Government
to urgently review Code C of PACE,
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which covers the detention,
treatment and questioning
314
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of suspects by police officers.
315
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PACE is nearly 30 years old and it
was brought in because of concerns
316
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over the way the police were
behaving with people in custody.
317
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Which I understand.
318
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But what Steve Fulcher faced
319
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were a very, very unusual
set of circumstances.
320
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And I feel
there should be more flexibility
321
00:16:24,081 --> 00:16:27,543
when police officers arrest people
in situations like that.
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Because I don't want anybody else
to suffer
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what we have been through as a family.
324
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Thank you. Thank you very much.
325
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- I love you.
- I love you, too.
326
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See you soon.
327
00:17:05,377 --> 00:17:07,376
Excuse me, it's Karen, isn't it?
I'm Yvonne.
328
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Steve's wife. I just want to say hello.
329
00:17:09,377 --> 00:17:11,376
Oh, how lovely to meet you.
330
00:17:11,377 --> 00:17:13,376
This is my husband Charlie.
331
00:17:13,377 --> 00:17:15,376
I am so sorry
Steve's having to go through this.
332
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In my opinion, it's an absolute disgrace
333
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and please don't think
we had anything to do with it.
334
00:17:20,377 --> 00:17:22,376
This is all down to him. And when
I heard he'd made a complaint,
335
00:17:22,377 --> 00:17:24,376
after all Steve has done for us,
336
00:17:24,377 --> 00:17:26,376
I could have wrung his neck.
337
00:17:26,377 --> 00:17:28,759
Nice to meet you.
Erm, I was going to go outside.
338
00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,216
- I'm not allowed to stay in here.
- Oh, that's ridiculous.
339
00:17:31,217 --> 00:17:33,376
Don't you worry, love.
We'll look after him.
340
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Thanks.
341
00:17:40,134 --> 00:17:41,174
Good morning, everyone.
342
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I am Chief Constable Andy Parker
from Warwickshire Police
343
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and I'll be chairing this hearing.
344
00:17:45,054 --> 00:17:47,461
There are some of you
that I haven't met before.
345
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I wonder if we can begin
by you telling us your names?
346
00:17:49,662 --> 00:17:52,461
Anna Proctor, IPCC.
347
00:17:52,462 --> 00:17:53,462
Thank you.
348
00:17:53,463 --> 00:17:56,314
- The gentleman at the back?
- Er...
349
00:17:56,792 --> 00:17:59,112
My name is John Godden.
350
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Father of Rebecca Godden.
351
00:18:04,084 --> 00:18:06,564
David Godden, John's brother.
352
00:18:08,375 --> 00:18:11,375
Karen Edwards,
mother of Rebecca Godden-Edwards.
353
00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,107
Could you just hang on a minute,
cos I...?
354
00:18:14,132 --> 00:18:15,465
I think I'm on the wrong side here.
355
00:18:15,502 --> 00:18:18,030
Cos I don't want to be associated
with this lot.
356
00:18:18,031 --> 00:18:20,083
Because we're here
to support Steve Fulcher.
357
00:18:20,084 --> 00:18:22,142
So, were going to... Come on, Charlie.
358
00:18:23,815 --> 00:18:24,815
Thank you.
359
00:18:27,462 --> 00:18:29,684
Thank you. Carry on.
360
00:18:34,462 --> 00:18:36,461
The first allegation concerns a complaint
361
00:18:36,462 --> 00:18:38,461
brought against you by Mr Godden.
362
00:18:38,462 --> 00:18:40,461
It is alleged that your behaviour,
363
00:18:40,462 --> 00:18:43,960
when dealing with Mr Halliwell
on 24th March, 2011,
364
00:18:43,961 --> 00:18:46,853
fell below the standards
of professional behaviour
365
00:18:46,854 --> 00:18:49,462
required of an officer of your standing.
366
00:18:50,815 --> 00:18:52,815
Do you admit or deny the allegation?
367
00:18:53,884 --> 00:18:55,502
I deny the allegation.
368
00:18:56,060 --> 00:18:57,437
Allegation two.
369
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It is alleged by your employer,
Wiltshire Police,
370
00:19:00,462 --> 00:19:03,502
that, by having inappropriate
contact with the media,
371
00:19:03,804 --> 00:19:07,461
your conduct again fell below
the same standards.
372
00:19:07,462 --> 00:19:09,461
Do you admit or deny the allegation?
373
00:19:09,462 --> 00:19:10,981
I deny the allegation.
374
00:19:10,982 --> 00:19:14,461
The provisions of PACE are quite
clear, Mr Fulcher.
375
00:19:14,462 --> 00:19:16,628
I mean, they're there to protect
the rights of all of us.
376
00:19:16,629 --> 00:19:18,744
- Yes.
- Yet, you did not caution
377
00:19:18,769 --> 00:19:21,301
Christopher Halliwell
as the law dictates.
378
00:19:21,302 --> 00:19:22,461
Now, why not?
379
00:19:22,462 --> 00:19:24,462
Because I felt it was disingenuous
380
00:19:25,124 --> 00:19:29,739
to begin an interview with Halliwell
in those circumstances by saying,
381
00:19:29,740 --> 00:19:30,981
"You don't have to say anything."
382
00:19:30,982 --> 00:19:33,141
I felt his right to silence
383
00:19:33,142 --> 00:19:35,462
directly conflicted
with Sian's right to life.
384
00:19:36,462 --> 00:19:38,977
Er, a little while later,
Halliwell says to you,
385
00:19:38,978 --> 00:19:42,301
"Do you want another one?" Now, what
did you understand this to mean?
386
00:19:42,302 --> 00:19:45,461
It wasn't actually clear, initially,
what it meant.
387
00:19:45,462 --> 00:19:47,461
Well, if it wasn't clear,
wouldn't it have been better
388
00:19:47,462 --> 00:19:49,070
to arrest him for Sian, caution him,
389
00:19:49,071 --> 00:19:51,461
and then clarify things on the other
one back at the police station?
390
00:19:51,462 --> 00:19:53,461
But they wouldn't have been
clarified, would they?
391
00:19:53,462 --> 00:19:56,461
His solicitor would've advised him
to go, "No comment,"
392
00:19:56,462 --> 00:19:58,651
- and that would've been that.
- Not necessarily.
393
00:19:58,652 --> 00:20:00,461
He could've been properly cautioned,
brought back to the station
394
00:20:00,462 --> 00:20:02,764
and then revealed
the victim's whereabouts.
395
00:20:03,462 --> 00:20:05,501
That's the difference between
theory and practice.
396
00:20:05,502 --> 00:20:08,461
I mean, in practice,
that has never happened.
397
00:20:08,462 --> 00:20:09,821
Not once, in my whole career.
398
00:20:09,822 --> 00:20:12,795
Now, if you had arrested him
and cautioned him at that point,
399
00:20:12,796 --> 00:20:14,301
then everything that followed
400
00:20:14,302 --> 00:20:15,821
would have remained admissible
in evidence.
401
00:20:15,822 --> 00:20:19,141
Not to do so was a gross error
of judgment on your part, wasn't it?
402
00:20:19,142 --> 00:20:20,462
I don't believe it was, no.
403
00:20:25,399 --> 00:20:29,461
I feel like a madman in a roomful
of people who don't understand me.
404
00:20:29,462 --> 00:20:33,142
I'm saying the same thing over and
over again and nobody's listening.
405
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,187
Mr Geenty, you've always supported
Steve Fulcher's reasoning
406
00:20:53,212 --> 00:20:55,759
for not cautioning
Christopher Halliwell, haven't you?
407
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,559
I have no doubt about his good faith
that day.
408
00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,559
Yes, but his judgment, his reasoning.
409
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:05,559
At the pre-trial hearing, before the
Sian O'Callaghan trial, you said,
410
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,194
"I think the decision Steve made was,
411
00:21:09,195 --> 00:21:12,893
"to use the slang, a gutsy decision.
412
00:21:12,894 --> 00:21:15,559
"And I'd like to think
I would make a similar decision
413
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,559
"in the same circumstances."
414
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,559
Well, that was when he was still hoping
415
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,399
that Sian might be found alive.
416
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:22,559
We all were.
417
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,559
But I disagree with his judgment
418
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,560
when it came to him being offered
information about the second body.
419
00:21:28,762 --> 00:21:32,559
That is where I think PACE
and the protection of the suspect
420
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,559
would have become paramount
421
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,559
because tragically, at that point,
when he knew Sian was dead,
422
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,559
the urgent interview provision
no longer applied.
423
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,857
So you agree with his actions in
relation to Sian, but not to Becky?
424
00:21:43,858 --> 00:21:47,559
No, I believe, at that point,
in the heat of the moment,
425
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,242
he could not have been thinking clearly.
426
00:21:49,243 --> 00:21:52,002
So what are you saying, then?
That Becky doesn't matter?
427
00:21:53,896 --> 00:21:56,535
Would it be fair to say
that Steve Fulcher
428
00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,399
was by far the most experienced SIO
that Wiltshire had
429
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,559
at the point of the Sian and Becky
investigation?
430
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,902
Steve has demonstrated
that he has a solid track record.
431
00:22:05,903 --> 00:22:08,559
And that,
whatever else this case is about,
432
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,559
there is no doubt that he is an
outstandingly good police officer.
433
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,992
He is a very competent officer, yes.
434
00:22:14,993 --> 00:22:17,919
Now, in spite of the fact that
it's normal for senior officers
435
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,559
to give off-the-record media briefings,
436
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,559
you say you had a conversation
with Steve Fulcher
437
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,134
to tell him of an order by the then
Deputy Chief Constable Geenty
438
00:22:27,135 --> 00:22:29,559
that he wasn't to do any interviews
with journalists.
439
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:30,919
That is correct, yes.
440
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,759
You made an entry into your diary
that day, didn't you?
441
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,249
You record 16 points
442
00:22:36,250 --> 00:22:38,599
relating to various matters
you'd discussed with him.
443
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,559
But the one thing you haven't recorded
444
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,264
is any mention of Steve Fulcher
445
00:22:43,265 --> 00:22:45,051
being told not to speak to the media.
446
00:22:45,052 --> 00:22:47,759
I spoke to Steve Fulcher
about DCC Geenty's order
447
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,202
at the end of the conversation.
448
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,559
Those other points were from
the first part of the conversation.
449
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,559
But surely, Mr Geenty's order
450
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,559
would've been the most important
part of that conversation,
451
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,759
based on the fact that Steve Fulcher
stands here today
452
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,559
with the prospect
of losing his career because of it?
453
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,559
I didn't feel it necessary
to have recorded
454
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:07,560
that part of the conversation.
455
00:23:07,561 --> 00:23:10,202
But I can assure you that it did happen.
456
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,559
Is this actually misconduct at all?
457
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,799
In both instances, the failure
to caution Christopher Halliwell
458
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,559
and the interviews Detective
Superintendent Fulcher
459
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,144
gave to the media,
460
00:23:21,145 --> 00:23:23,312
might not many members of the public say,
461
00:23:23,313 --> 00:23:27,967
"Surely, there are better ways
for the police service and the IPCC
462
00:23:27,968 --> 00:23:29,559
"to deal with such matters?
463
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,559
"Are you really satisfied,
based on the evidence before you,
464
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,935
"that you could take the steps
to remove this man's career?"
465
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,240
- Thank you, Mr Beggs.
- Are there any questions
466
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,372
from Rebecca's family members
present today?
467
00:23:40,372 --> 00:23:43,800
Well, not from me.
I'm very happy with how it's gone.
468
00:23:44,620 --> 00:23:47,619
- Mrs Edwards?
- I agree with Mr Beggs.
469
00:23:47,620 --> 00:23:51,619
It seems ridiculous all this
public money's been spent on this.
470
00:23:51,620 --> 00:23:53,139
Thank you, both.
471
00:23:53,140 --> 00:23:56,014
Well, we shall now retire
to consider our judgment.
472
00:23:56,015 --> 00:23:58,619
You will be informed of our verdict
in due course,
473
00:23:58,620 --> 00:24:00,619
when this hearing will reconvene.
474
00:24:00,620 --> 00:24:01,782
Thank you.
475
00:24:34,807 --> 00:24:36,511
MAN: Come on, you reds!
476
00:24:46,620 --> 00:24:48,360
My sister got in a cab with him.
477
00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:50,039
- With Halliwell?
- Yeah.
478
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,359
She seen his picture in the paper
and she was sure it was him.
479
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:56,359
She gets in his cab
and he drives her the wrong way,
480
00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:59,359
out towards Savernake Forest,
acting all weird, like.
481
00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:02,199
She screams and opens the door
and someone sees them.
482
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,989
And he pulls over and lets her out.
483
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:06,359
Says he was just having a laugh with her.
484
00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:09,562
- She doesn't know how lucky she is.
- Yeah, that's what my mum says.
485
00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:13,842
All right, thank you. Thank you.
486
00:25:14,722 --> 00:25:17,359
We just wanted to check that you were OK.
487
00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:19,360
See if you had any worries or questions.
488
00:25:19,722 --> 00:25:22,360
Thank you. It's much appreciated.
489
00:25:23,887 --> 00:25:27,308
I don't know if you're aware
of what Karen Edwards is doing.
490
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:28,762
She's got a petition going.
491
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,400
I'm aware of it, yeah.
492
00:25:32,425 --> 00:25:36,615
Her support for Stephen Fulcher
is very commendable, but...
493
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,756
...Wiltshire Police Service feel it is...
494
00:25:39,884 --> 00:25:41,244
...misguided.
495
00:25:41,723 --> 00:25:45,043
Our position is that Fulcher
shouldn't have breached PACE.
496
00:25:46,948 --> 00:25:48,586
Yeah, that's how we feel.
497
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:52,067
We would have found Sian's body anyway.
498
00:25:52,685 --> 00:25:54,005
That's good to know.
499
00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:59,559
We've heard from Karen's FLO
that she would like to meet you.
500
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,359
Would you be interested
in us arranging that?
501
00:26:02,360 --> 00:26:04,360
No, I wouldn't. Thank you.
502
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:07,562
After she got in the car with him...
503
00:26:08,682 --> 00:26:11,200
...I keep wondering
what happened to her after that.
504
00:26:13,813 --> 00:26:16,453
I torment myself
wondering if it was quick.
505
00:26:19,802 --> 00:26:21,360
Erm...
506
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,960
He pleaded guilty, so we didn't have
to give a detailed account in court.
507
00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:29,199
Or at least...
508
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,682
...one that we could challenge.
509
00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:34,359
Did she know
what he was going to do with her?
510
00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:35,360
Was she frightened?
511
00:26:37,893 --> 00:26:40,533
Halliwell said that he killed her
quickly.
512
00:26:41,613 --> 00:26:43,613
Within a few minutes of setting off.
513
00:26:44,607 --> 00:26:47,127
She started struggling,
so he stabbed her.
514
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:50,360
Erm...
515
00:26:51,832 --> 00:26:53,792
I don't know if I believe him.
516
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:59,750
She wasn't wearing her boots
when you found her.
517
00:27:00,435 --> 00:27:01,795
They were tight-fitting.
518
00:27:03,884 --> 00:27:05,602
When did they come off? Did...?
519
00:27:06,091 --> 00:27:07,771
Did he start to undress her?
520
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:21,360
I just keep playing it
over and over in my head.
521
00:27:25,893 --> 00:27:29,133
Different scenarios and...
522
00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:34,360
...I just see her face, Pete.
523
00:27:36,842 --> 00:27:38,360
Terrified.
524
00:27:41,642 --> 00:27:42,980
Come here...
525
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:44,360
It's OK.
526
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:45,759
Come here.
527
00:27:47,399 --> 00:27:48,719
Shh...
528
00:27:50,719 --> 00:27:52,719
[HE SIGHS]
529
00:27:54,312 --> 00:27:56,312
I want to look after you, Elaine.
530
00:27:58,593 --> 00:28:00,795
I'm here for you, all right?
531
00:28:03,926 --> 00:28:08,128
Everything that's happened has
just made me want to protect you.
532
00:28:14,958 --> 00:28:16,958
Why don't you pack it in at work?
533
00:28:19,250 --> 00:28:20,832
You hate that fucking job.
534
00:28:22,421 --> 00:28:23,743
I can support you.
535
00:28:29,414 --> 00:28:31,936
I want us to be together properly,
Elaine.
536
00:28:36,793 --> 00:28:37,793
Mm.
537
00:28:50,689 --> 00:28:53,367
I have asked you not to smoke inside.
538
00:29:07,246 --> 00:29:09,886
- Why don't you have a shower?
- [HE SCOFFS]
539
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,946
Why don't you have a nice shower
and we could go to Brighton?
540
00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:15,440
The girls are out tonight.
541
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,200
We could have lunch
and we wouldn't have to rush back.
542
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:18,513
Do I smell, Yvonne?
543
00:29:18,995 --> 00:29:20,512
- What?
- Or do I stink?
544
00:29:20,513 --> 00:29:22,513
Can you smell me from there?
545
00:29:22,835 --> 00:29:24,512
I don't know what you're talking about.
546
00:29:24,513 --> 00:29:25,712
Oh, obfuscation.
547
00:29:25,713 --> 00:29:27,512
I can tell from your answer,
548
00:29:27,513 --> 00:29:29,513
or, more accurately, your...
549
00:29:29,875 --> 00:29:32,513
...lack of an answer, that I don't.
Therefore...
550
00:29:33,035 --> 00:29:34,512
...no need for me to shower.
551
00:29:34,513 --> 00:29:35,955
Is this you being funny?
552
00:29:37,513 --> 00:29:40,112
Anyway, I'm not allowed
to leave the county
553
00:29:40,113 --> 00:29:41,512
without getting permission from them.
554
00:29:41,513 --> 00:29:43,006
- You're joking?
- It's true.
555
00:29:43,007 --> 00:29:45,235
I have to ask them
if I can leave Wiltshire.
556
00:29:49,513 --> 00:29:50,513
Well...
557
00:29:51,873 --> 00:29:53,033
OK.
558
00:30:01,805 --> 00:30:05,512
What has happened to Steve Fulcher
is nothing short of scandalous.
559
00:30:05,513 --> 00:30:09,192
Cos, without him, my daughter
would be lying in a field somewhere
560
00:30:09,193 --> 00:30:11,512
without anyone knowing where she was.
561
00:30:11,513 --> 00:30:13,906
But he has been hounded
from pillar to post
562
00:30:13,907 --> 00:30:16,241
while Christopher Halliwell,
who murdered her,
563
00:30:16,242 --> 00:30:18,512
has never faced justice for what he did.
564
00:30:18,513 --> 00:30:21,512
Our Justice For Becky campaign
is petitioning the Government
565
00:30:21,513 --> 00:30:22,552
to change the PACE law.
566
00:30:22,553 --> 00:30:26,512
So, please, sign our petition
if you see us around Swindon.
567
00:30:26,513 --> 00:30:27,513
Not ideal.
568
00:30:27,514 --> 00:30:29,993
What, are you worried about a backlash
569
00:30:29,994 --> 00:30:33,512
if Karen Edwards' support for Steve
Fulcher gains too much momentum?
570
00:30:33,513 --> 00:30:36,512
Because, I have to admit,
it has crossed my mind.
571
00:30:36,513 --> 00:30:38,772
It's not great, from a PR point of view.
572
00:30:38,797 --> 00:30:39,910
No.
573
00:30:39,911 --> 00:30:43,192
Maybe we should have another think
about the investigation.
574
00:30:43,193 --> 00:30:44,286
Yeah.
575
00:30:44,287 --> 00:30:47,032
I know we bicker, I know he can be...
576
00:30:47,033 --> 00:30:48,512
...controlling.
577
00:30:48,513 --> 00:30:49,553
But...
578
00:30:50,035 --> 00:30:51,513
...he can be so sweet.
579
00:30:53,193 --> 00:30:54,512
He's picked me up when I was down.
580
00:30:54,513 --> 00:30:56,712
He's been there for me
all through this. He's been my rock.
581
00:30:56,713 --> 00:30:59,033
He did force you to get that lump
on your boob checked.
582
00:30:59,034 --> 00:31:00,512
I will give him that.
583
00:31:00,513 --> 00:31:03,512
And just when I think
he's exactly what I need,
584
00:31:03,513 --> 00:31:06,192
things happen and I wonder if he is.
585
00:31:06,193 --> 00:31:08,512
We've had another row
because he says Aiden
586
00:31:08,513 --> 00:31:11,512
took a can of Coke
out of the fridge without asking.
587
00:31:11,513 --> 00:31:13,513
Really? A can of Coke?
588
00:31:14,573 --> 00:31:15,835
That's the, er...
589
00:31:16,713 --> 00:31:19,513
...the police at Karen's.
I wonder what they're there for.
590
00:31:21,193 --> 00:31:22,513
She asked to meet me, Karen.
591
00:31:23,513 --> 00:31:25,715
- What did you say?
- No.
592
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,762
I can't face her. I know I should, but...
593
00:31:31,513 --> 00:31:33,513
I can't really explain it.
594
00:31:34,439 --> 00:31:36,211
We have come across so many people
595
00:31:36,212 --> 00:31:38,290
who have given us information
on Halliwell.
596
00:31:38,291 --> 00:31:40,123
People who say
they got into his taxi with him
597
00:31:40,124 --> 00:31:41,552
and had scary experiences.
598
00:31:41,553 --> 00:31:44,986
People saying he got obsessed
with women and would stalk them.
599
00:31:44,987 --> 00:31:47,735
People who can link him to girls
who have gone missing.
600
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,512
But it's all hearsay, Karen.
601
00:31:49,513 --> 00:31:52,295
People say they know someone who knew him
602
00:31:52,296 --> 00:31:54,512
or people who've heard something
about him
603
00:31:54,513 --> 00:31:56,201
and not seen it for themselves.
604
00:31:56,202 --> 00:31:58,715
Nothing that would stand up in court.
605
00:32:00,433 --> 00:32:03,433
I'm sorry, but trying to play
amateur detective
606
00:32:03,458 --> 00:32:07,196
and criticising Wiltshire Police
in the media is not helping things.
607
00:32:07,221 --> 00:32:08,523
It's not all critical.
608
00:32:08,553 --> 00:32:12,914
I always tell everybody what
a fantastic job Steve Fulcher did.
609
00:32:12,915 --> 00:32:14,512
And he is a Wiltshire
police officer, isn't he?
610
00:32:14,513 --> 00:32:16,094
We're all in this together.
611
00:32:16,451 --> 00:32:19,008
Now, I was speaking to Sian's mum
Elaine the other day
612
00:32:19,033 --> 00:32:21,352
and she was saying the same thing.
613
00:32:21,353 --> 00:32:22,513
It's a team effort.
614
00:32:22,875 --> 00:32:26,512
Did you tell her I'd asked to meet her?
615
00:32:26,513 --> 00:32:28,513
- I did.
- And what did she say?
616
00:32:30,373 --> 00:32:31,373
Er...
617
00:32:31,513 --> 00:32:34,513
She says it's not the right time
for her at the moment.
618
00:32:40,427 --> 00:32:42,427
Well, my door is always open.
619
00:32:45,513 --> 00:32:47,512
When you spoke to the psychiatrist
620
00:32:47,513 --> 00:32:49,960
about those feelings of rage,
Christopher,
621
00:32:49,961 --> 00:32:52,512
of being consumed by a single thought,
622
00:32:52,513 --> 00:32:55,755
did he talk about finding
a harmless release mechanism?
623
00:32:56,726 --> 00:33:00,366
For example, to think of something
that calms us down.
624
00:33:00,786 --> 00:33:03,042
Well, I told him I liked to go fishing.
625
00:33:04,513 --> 00:33:06,513
I used to love sitting there
for hours on end.
626
00:33:07,715 --> 00:33:09,513
I find it very peaceful.
627
00:33:09,915 --> 00:33:11,513
And that's good.
628
00:33:12,513 --> 00:33:13,713
Yeah.
629
00:33:13,955 --> 00:33:16,513
I had this special place
where I liked to fish.
630
00:33:16,842 --> 00:33:18,520
Out in the woods.
631
00:33:19,447 --> 00:33:21,447
It was like my own private...
632
00:33:21,513 --> 00:33:23,513
I don't know what you'd call it.
A sanctum.
633
00:33:24,395 --> 00:33:25,513
Yeah.
634
00:33:26,915 --> 00:33:28,513
I used to love going there.
635
00:33:29,513 --> 00:33:31,315
My special place.
636
00:33:50,900 --> 00:33:52,900
[DOOR CLOSES]
637
00:33:54,900 --> 00:33:56,240
The panel feels that
638
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,358
the continuation of custody
of Christopher Halliwell
639
00:33:58,359 --> 00:34:00,700
without caution or without any
of the other safeguards
640
00:34:00,701 --> 00:34:02,540
afforded him by PACE,
641
00:34:02,541 --> 00:34:05,495
particularly when en route
to the location of Rebecca Godden,
642
00:34:05,496 --> 00:34:06,700
cannot be justified.
643
00:34:06,701 --> 00:34:10,060
At such time as it became apparent
that Sian O'Callaghan was dead,
644
00:34:10,061 --> 00:34:12,311
you should have stopped the car,
turned it around
645
00:34:12,312 --> 00:34:14,380
and taken Halliwell into custody.
646
00:34:14,381 --> 00:34:17,141
And the panel has a wider duty to perform
647
00:34:17,142 --> 00:34:19,700
in respect to public confidence,
648
00:34:19,701 --> 00:34:22,290
and the message needs to be sent
to other officers
649
00:34:22,291 --> 00:34:25,700
that a detective cannot ignore PACE
to such an extent
650
00:34:25,701 --> 00:34:28,380
without being held fully to account.
651
00:34:28,381 --> 00:34:31,543
And we regard your conduct
as gross misconduct.
652
00:34:32,541 --> 00:34:35,700
On allegation two,
the panel concludes that,
653
00:34:35,701 --> 00:34:37,700
on the balance of probability,
654
00:34:37,701 --> 00:34:41,060
you were given an instruction
by Chief Superintendent Pritchard
655
00:34:41,061 --> 00:34:42,700
to not give interviews to the media.
656
00:34:42,701 --> 00:34:45,257
This is not behaviour we would
expect from a senior officer
657
00:34:45,288 --> 00:34:47,731
and we regard the conduct
as gross misconduct.
658
00:34:49,171 --> 00:34:51,346
These breaches would justify dismissal.
659
00:34:52,701 --> 00:34:55,700
However, taking into account
your previous exemplary record,
660
00:34:55,725 --> 00:34:58,967
the panel has concluded that
the most appropriate sanction...
661
00:34:59,701 --> 00:35:01,701
...is a final written warning.
662
00:35:05,372 --> 00:35:09,700
And I cannot stress how close
you came to losing your job today.
663
00:35:09,701 --> 00:35:12,700
I do hope that you have learnt
from this experience.
664
00:35:12,701 --> 00:35:14,540
It's not right what Fulcher did!
665
00:35:14,541 --> 00:35:17,542
Why should we have to pay with
our pain because of his mistakes?
666
00:35:17,543 --> 00:35:19,701
I've been mentally scarred by this.
667
00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:23,851
It seems to me, come to Swindon
and commit a murder
668
00:35:23,876 --> 00:35:25,265
cos you'll get away with it.
669
00:35:26,620 --> 00:35:28,920
I will never trust the police again.
670
00:35:29,780 --> 00:35:31,140
Never.
671
00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:33,720
I can start back as soon as possible.
672
00:36:34,260 --> 00:36:35,951
And you're actually going to?
673
00:36:35,952 --> 00:36:37,580
Well, what else am I going to do?
674
00:36:37,952 --> 00:36:40,500
I'm a police officer. It's all I...
675
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,639
It's all I know, Yvonne!
676
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,639
- And I am fucking good at it!
- Good for you, Steve!
677
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,188
Fuck everyone else!
678
00:37:05,108 --> 00:37:06,839
We're very pleased
to have you here, Steve.
679
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,159
Thank you.
680
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,639
- You knew Ray Hayward, is that right?
- Er, yes.
681
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:11,640
Yes, I liked Ray.
682
00:37:11,641 --> 00:37:14,479
I met him many times in meetings.
683
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,748
He always had an interesting take
on things, you know.
684
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,320
Here we are.
685
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,639
Now, when the word went round
that you were available,
686
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,215
our previous Bobby Van manager
has just retired.
687
00:37:28,216 --> 00:37:29,409
Mm-hm.
688
00:37:29,434 --> 00:37:32,007
- You're obviously a bit overqualified...
- What exactly is Bobby Van?
689
00:37:32,008 --> 00:37:33,839
It's a local initiative to get a van out
690
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,639
to burglary and criminal damage victims
691
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,639
to get their windows and doors
and suchlike fixed up.
692
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,639
Mm-hm. Right.
693
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,319
Well, I'll...
694
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:44,640
I'll leave you to it.
695
00:37:44,948 --> 00:37:46,639
Give you a chance
to get up to speed on everything.
696
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,640
- Thank you.
- OK.
697
00:37:53,219 --> 00:37:57,219
[REPORTERS SHOUT QUESTIONS]
698
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,868
This is about justice for Becky.
699
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,077
And justice for a brave police officer,
700
00:38:04,078 --> 00:38:07,639
whose career has been ruined
just for doing his job.
701
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,639
And over 40,000 people
have signed our petition,
702
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,640
and with the help of our local MP
703
00:38:15,068 --> 00:38:17,679
we are delighted
to be able to deliver our demand
704
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,639
for a change in the law
directly to Mr Cameron.
705
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,348
And this must never be allowed
to happen again.
706
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,999
Will my Right Honourable friend
join our cause for a thorough review
707
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,319
of Code C of
the Police And Criminal Evidence Act
708
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,639
so that terrible situations
like this will not happen again?
709
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,639
I will look very carefully at what
my honourable friend has raised
710
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,999
and the specific case that he mentions,
711
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,639
and look also at this issue
712
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,467
of the Police And Criminal Evidence Act.
713
00:38:46,468 --> 00:38:49,020
It is always important
that all information
714
00:38:49,021 --> 00:38:52,639
that possibly can be put in front of
a court is put in front of the court
715
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,639
so the court can reach the correct, er...
716
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,320
...the correct decision.
717
00:38:59,806 --> 00:39:02,639
I want you to know
that it's OK to feel happy again.
718
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,639
That, if something good happens,
it's OK to smile
719
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,639
or feel good inside.
720
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,160
It's not betraying Sian
to feel like that.
721
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,639
Me and Pete have decided...
722
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,639
...that we make each other happy.
723
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,640
So, we're going to get married.
724
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,559
And I wanted to tell you before
anyone else,
725
00:39:26,584 --> 00:39:28,584
so you can tell me how you feel about it.
726
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:32,640
If it's what you want.
727
00:39:32,641 --> 00:39:35,068
- Mm.
- I'm happy for you.
728
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,148
Aiden?
729
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,640
I'm glad that you want to marry Pete.
730
00:39:42,272 --> 00:39:44,272
I just want you to be happy, Mum.
731
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,480
[ELECTRIC TOOTHBRUSH WHIRS]
732
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:08,640
[HE TURNS OFF THE TOOTHBRUSH]
733
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,640
[HE SWILLS AND SPITS]
734
00:40:29,740 --> 00:40:31,740
I've had enough, Steve.
735
00:40:34,540 --> 00:40:35,948
I can't take any more.
736
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,348
[HE CLEARS HIS THROAT]
737
00:40:42,892 --> 00:40:44,892
- OK, if I retire early...
- Mm-hm.
738
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,640
...my pension will be cut.
739
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,480
- We wouldn't have enough to live on.
- I don't care.
740
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:14,640
Good to see you.
741
00:41:14,641 --> 00:41:16,640
So, this is where we are. Erm...
742
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,639
Well, Mr Cameron was true to his word
743
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,159
and he referred this to Theresa May,
the Home Secretary.
744
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,429
Excellent.
745
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:26,639
And she referred it to Damian Green,
the Policing Secretary.
746
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,639
And he passed it on to ACPO,
747
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,639
the Association of Chief Police Officers.
748
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,639
- Right.
- And they asked for comments
749
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,639
from the relevant police service,
Wiltshire.
750
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,639
Then they went back to Damian Green
with their recommendation
751
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,148
for no action required.
752
00:41:42,406 --> 00:41:44,406
They advise that Section 11 of PACE
753
00:41:44,431 --> 00:41:47,431
is only applicable to a threat
to life and the recovery of evidence
754
00:41:47,456 --> 00:41:49,456
and, therefore,
didn't apply in this case.
755
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,048
But that's exactly what Steve was doing.
756
00:41:53,073 --> 00:41:56,073
He was trying to save Sian
and recover Becky's body. So...
757
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:57,908
I'm very sorry.
758
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:00,640
The pond itself.
759
00:42:00,641 --> 00:42:03,639
And as you can see, we've pulled out
a lot of pieces of clothing.
760
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,639
- That's quite a lot there.
- It is.
761
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,640
What are we up to now?
762
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,479
About 20 items so far.
But I expect that to go up.
763
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,479
We're going to have another scan
of the pond
764
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:14,639
and see if we can pull anything else out.
765
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,087
We might have missed one or two things.
766
00:42:16,112 --> 00:42:17,146
Sir!
767
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:18,988
Yeah.
768
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:33,788
OK. Excellent.
769
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,520
I think that might be Sian's boot.
770
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,028
It was nice of you to come round.
771
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,999
I always felt that,
with everything that happened,
772
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,639
I never really got the chance
to tell you how sorry I was
773
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:55,640
about what happened to Ray.
774
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,532
Well, it's not been easy for me,
775
00:42:59,557 --> 00:43:03,482
knowing that he was so desperate
and that we couldn't help him.
776
00:43:03,483 --> 00:43:04,640
Thanks.
777
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,640
Look, I can't speak about
the allegations against him, but...
778
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,640
...from my point of view,
he was a good friend.
779
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,640
Yeah. There was a lot I wanted
to say about how he was treated.
780
00:43:22,953 --> 00:43:24,953
It's not worth it, Steve.
781
00:43:25,506 --> 00:43:28,506
I know what's been happening
with you, and it's not worth it.
782
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,640
The job meant everything to Ray,
too. But...
783
00:43:34,228 --> 00:43:36,640
...it wasn't more important
than his children...
784
00:43:37,028 --> 00:43:38,640
...than his life.
785
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,640
[PHONE RINGS]
786
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,308
Debs?
787
00:44:32,333 --> 00:44:34,333
Are you watching the local news?
788
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,908
I think the timing's
a bit too convenient.
789
00:44:40,353 --> 00:44:41,873
Where was it?
790
00:44:41,898 --> 00:44:44,538
They're carrying out a dig
at a spot in Ramsbury.
791
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,639
I think this has come
from some information
792
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,639
passed on by Halliwell's
probation officer.
793
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,639
...the boot in the water
which we have recovered.
794
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,128
So, you were walking
along the lane and...?
795
00:44:54,129 --> 00:44:57,639
Scoping the ponds as to which I thought
796
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,639
would be most likely to deposit property.
797
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,148
Why now?
798
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,999
They've done nothing over the
last 18 months and then suddenly,
799
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,639
"Look what a great job we're doing."
800
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,116
I reckon they're worried about backlash
801
00:45:08,117 --> 00:45:09,680
over the way you've been treated.
802
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,999
He says that numerous items
have been recovered.
803
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,639
Mm. One of 60, I heard.
804
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:15,679
60?
805
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,640
This could be what
you've been waiting for, Steve.
806
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:20,999
Yeah, I know.
807
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,639
Bollocks.
808
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,639
- What?
- I handed in my resignation.
809
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:26,988
I'm no longer a police officer.
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