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Oi, oi.
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>> Yes, I watched you climb up. I've seen
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you come alive.
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From them very humble beginnings in
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NW5.
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We all lived with my granddad at Danny's
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house.
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Cuz my mom hadn't got a council flat.
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And from there
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we moved we got our first council flat
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at Holly Lodge, Langbourne Mansions.
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Other than my dad going in and out of
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prison
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family life was fantastic.
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You know, my our mother gave us
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everything. I mean
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we lived in Langbourne Mansions with
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chandeliers,
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fantastic beautiful carpet. She would do
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the house out and then we'd have beans
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on toast for dinner. You know what I
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mean? Like
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Anyway, nobody really liked Lee for some
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reason or other and and we were not
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allowed to play with him and he wasn't
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allowed to come round. Lee would come to
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the end of my road and whistle really
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loud, you know, and I'd look out and
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you'd see him by the standing in the
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lamppost. Then you'd hear him whistling
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and then I'd be going out, "Mom, see you
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later." "Oh, I won't be with that Lee
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Thompson." Don't worry about that. So,
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he wasn't allowed in anybody's house and
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the only explanation given was he looks
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a bit dodgy, our parents would all say.
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So, I don't know what he looked like. I
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mean, we all quite liked him, I suppose.
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Maybe for that same dodgy look in his
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eye, I don't know. We would jump on
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goods trains, you know, and imagine that
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we were hobos and
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but we'd go to sort of Highbury or you
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know, and jump off them and then we
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found that they had things in them.
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Everywhere we went he would suddenly be
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nicking something or into something
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which was sort of fun. Oh, he was he was
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robbing. He was robbing what he could.
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I didn't really like
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breaking the law and everything.
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And uh but when you hang around with
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Lee, it was a bit inevitable. He would
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always be up to something, yeah. Well,
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like the Artful Dodger, you know, he was
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quick.
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Very quick and couldn't resist any
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opportunity to pinch something if it was
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available. Regarding the music, we were
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all into albums and we all used to go to
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the Co-op in Camden Town.
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Is they used to have records in the
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sleeves. In a lot of shops, they would
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just have empty sleeves and if you buy a
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record, you say, "I want this record."
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And the guy would go in the back and get
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the record out. All the sleeves had
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actually records in them.
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And you put your jacket over your
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shoulder and you look over there and
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suddenly the you know, the record's
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under your sleeve.
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And you walk out the door hoping that
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nobody's going to grab you.
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So, we started getting quite a bit of a
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record collection. Yeah, you'd have all
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the albums there and you'd have your
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record player and you put your record on
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and you sit there listening to it. Yeah,
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which was very enjoyable. Yeah, I mean,
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one time we were coming out of Kentish
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Town station. We'd been down the West
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End and there was a police car and they
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all sort of knew Lee and one of them
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said, "Oi, you, Thompson, come here."
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And we just started running like, you
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know, it was like uh
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it wasn't even as if we'd done anything
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wrong, you know, it's just like, "Woah,
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the cops." You got this automatic thing.
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And so, we'd be running, they'd be
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chasing us, yeah, and sometimes you'd
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end up in the police station, yeah.
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He had this sort of attitude to other
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people's property that it
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didn't necessarily you know, it could be
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his as well.
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It could be shared.
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There's nobody that I know that didn't
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go out with Lee
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not ending up being chased by the old
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bill, you know, you just did, you know.
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I mean, my poor cousin came down from
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Wales. He was probably only about 16.
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Uh uh to work for the band. This is
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sometime on, you know.
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And he said he went in a clothes shop
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with Lee, and Lee said, "Just hold this
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bag."
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Before you knew it, it was stuffed full
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of all sorts, and uh and then he went,
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"Run."
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But his old man was a crook, you know,
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and um Lee, you know, took up the
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mantle. I mean,
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in some ways it's kind of sad because
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you know, I know from talking to Lee
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that he was often made to do things, you
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know, his dad would push him over walls
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and go, "Okay, you know, you're not
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getting back until you come back with
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something stolen, you know." He was
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quite a nice kid, but I wished he wasn't
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there most of the time when he was
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little.
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Because he wasn't a good influence on my
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enormous efforts to bring up my children
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to be decent, upright, middle-class
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English children.
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Which wasn't easy at the time. He was
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supposed to call for me one night, and
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he didn't. So, I ended up going to the
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youth club with my mates, and then I saw
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him in the back of a black Mariah going
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up Kentish Town Road. All right?
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Looking out the window.
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I think when I met him it was at the
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tail end
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of him, you know, getting in a lot of
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trouble.
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When he was little, he worried me sick
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because he did get them into trouble.
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And, you know, once you're in trouble
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with the police, all sorts of things can
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happen, whatever you've been really
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doing, as I said to Mike several times,
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it's not a good idea to get on the wrong
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side of the police
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because they're not always strictly
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honest themselves.
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But we used to have a lot of fun as
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well. We did a fair bit of that spray
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painting, yeah.
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I suppose it's like those dogs, isn't
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it? Who like to go and pee around in
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their territory.
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Something like that. Oh, the graffiti,
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he would It was always kicks.
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Kicks. Kicks everywhere, you know.
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Because he was into kicks, you know, he
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was into
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adrenaline rush, I suppose.
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Um and he liked to be sort of naughty
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and daring. Spray your name on the top
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of the railway when everyone would be
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out there, "How did they get up there?"
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That film, you know, Rebel Without a
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Cause, James Dean and all that. And
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that's kind of what it was, you know, we
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were just rebels without a brain. He was
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concerned about his clothes.
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But he wore his loans,
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you know.
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And I remember things like those, you
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know, straight back trousers.
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And I was thinking, these are just
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They're just so cool. And Lee used to
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sort of put stuff on. He just used to
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look really good. Somehow or other,
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about his dimensions or that that sort
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of elusive thing called charisma or
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something. But his Dr. Martens would
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always look great and mine would look
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really big and long. No, when I met Lee,
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he had a sheepskin coat and
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um
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cream stay press and Dr. Martens, yeah.
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But I don't know where these clothes
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magically appeared from, quite honestly,
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including Graham's. You know, he'd have
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his astronaut DMs on, you know, really
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sort of taken in Levi's reds.
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And he had a really nice dark brown
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sheepskin and he looked really cool. He
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used to dye his Dr. Martens different
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colors. I think he had blue ones on when
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I met him, but um
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there was that thing with all them
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glamour boys, you know, which is a gang
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I said from Kentish Town that that that
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they all dyed their Dr. Martens.
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I said, it was like It was like seeing a
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packet of Smarties bouncing down the
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street. And Lee,
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read us his poem about his first pair of
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Dr. Marten boots.
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And and that was a, you know, a lovely
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occasion. There was Lee telling us about
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something that was very memorable to him
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and had the significance and he
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and it was a great poem. I can't
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remember the poem, but I just remember
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it was a, you know, a lovely meeting. I
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remember the when he first come to call
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for me, he was walking down the stairs
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of our flats and I said, "That's him."
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And my dad went,
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"His
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his trousers look like they've had an
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argument with his boots. His jeans were
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up there and his boots were, you know,
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there was a gap." I was always struck by
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him because he had that mixture
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of sort of '60s,
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sort of '70s as well and a bit of '50s.
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So, he was a real conglomeration of
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those of those sort of decades. I don't
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know what makes you really fancy someone
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cuz I I wouldn't didn't think, "Oh my
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god, he's the most handsome boy in the
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world." or but I just knew I fancied
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him.
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And obviously, he fancied me. I was
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proud when I saw Lee riding up in bleach
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on the back of his Levi's that nutty
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sound.
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>> He just said that nutty sound. It was no
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explanation, you know, there was no
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discussion. He just turned up and there
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he was, that nutty sound.
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And uh and I really like that. I really
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like that sort of term and um
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and he had this sort of idea in his head
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for a sort of music that some of the
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music that we were doing
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which he was always he was saying that
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nutty sound and you know, we used to be
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into a little bit sort of circus. We
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used to go and see Kilburn and the High
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Roads a lot as well and they were sort
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of quite um
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you know, a bit different and quite mad.
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Lee, Chris, and Mike saw
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the Kilburns very early on with Ian Dury
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and that really influenced them and they
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s-
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I think that was directly why they
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thought they could get a band together.
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Now, it's a bit of Kim Wilde and Jeff
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Beck on the river and up to the park.
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>> Cuban and the High Roads was his first
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band and they used to play in the Tally
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Ho in Kentish Town.
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And the famous story of course is Lee
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bunked in through the gents toilets,
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which also happened to be their dressing
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room, but he got his the turn up of his
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jeans caught in the little prongle, you
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know, that keeps the window up and he
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was hanging upside down when he and Joey
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walked in.
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And um
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and that's how he got to know him, but
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um but Lee gave me their first album,
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Handsome.
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And uh that was a revelation for me.
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This is before, you know, New Boots and
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Panties and all that.
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And it's a great album. And that was
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another thing about Lee that he really
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um
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was very very passionate about music,
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yeah, and
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yeah, he learned to play his sax. He
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didn't have lessons. He learned just
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playing along with other people's
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records. Roxy Music for instance, I
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know, but um
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yeah, he had a great passion for music.
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We all did. We all did. Can't even
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remember him
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expressing that he wanted a saxophone,
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but I'm presuming he must have done
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otherwise I wouldn't have spent my
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week's wages on one, you know. Think
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most of his practicing was done in
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Luton.
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All I can remember is him playing the
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saxophone and thinking, you can't play
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this. My mum used to stuff tea towels
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down there if ever he was at my house,
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you know.
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He couldn't play the saxophone to save
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his life in the beginning, but he he
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learned. I mean, I've got quite a good
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ear and in the beginning
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he often did play out of key, very much
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out of key actually.
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But with great bravura, he did it with
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such a plum that he got away with it.
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He obviously loved music. He kind of
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grown up with music around him. Loved
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50s rock and roll. Had got into Roxy
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Music in the early 70s and loved the
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saxophone. And kicks.
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Bad kicks. Have you played the saxophone
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before?
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Uh yeah. I love you. He picked up a
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second-hand saxophone. He turns up at a
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school and the streetwise teacher
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realizes that that the saxophone is
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obviously stolen or bought or it's a
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dodgy saxophone because it's got the
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serial number scrubbed out.
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Show you the finger for that. This is
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nice. Yes, nice. Really nice. Mhm.
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Oh, hello there.
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What seems to have happened here? Number
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seems to have been scratched off.
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Oh yeah, right. Yeah, when when I bought
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it uh
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it was already scratched off it. Really?
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Yeah. Where Where did you get this
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thing?
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Um
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Denmark Street.
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Down Denmark Street shop down Denmark
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Street. Shop shop there. And they sold
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you a sax with no number? Yeah, that's
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right.
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>> So obviously, you know, told to to hook
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it.
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>> Unusual. So he had a sax, Chris had a
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guitar,
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I had a piano. I was teaching them both
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and it was very very slow work, you
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know, note by note. And especially the
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saxophone because um
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at some point Lee discovered that the
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notes each note I mean God knows why,
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but they uh see in a saxophone is I
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think uh
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uh E flat in a piano or the other way
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around.
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Is it? E flat in E flat? Yeah.
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Sure. You're free about it, aren't you?
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Before social media and all that, you
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know, you you literally if you if you
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had an album you liked, you'd carry it
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about under your arm, you know.
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Just to let people know what you were
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into.
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Because there was no other way of
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expressing who you were apart from your
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clothes.
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>> At certain point we got Woody and
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Bedders and they were like, you know,
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almost like professional session men.
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But my first initiation
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with him was that we were rehearsing
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over in Finchley Road and he had the
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yellow GPO van. He drove the yellow one.
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Mike drove the white one.
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And he he said, "Oh, I'll give you a
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lift back uh back into Hampstead and you
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can get a train back home
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from rehearsals and he took me on a
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death-defying, frightening ride
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at some I don't know what speed it was
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cuz I was actually almost in tears of
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sort of fright.
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Uh and I think that was my kind of that
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was pleased to meet you. You know, I
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think he wanted to see the kind of get a
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reaction out of me. Both Lee and Mike
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had um XGPO Morris Minor vans, you know,
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that's how we used to do our work, you
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know.
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Cuz we did gardening jobs together as
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well and um
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you could put all the gear in the back.
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And then at night if we were doing a
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gig, you'd have to take all the crap out
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and put the amps and all that.
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I mean, the worst bit is when we're
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doing the gardening cuz it just stank of
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petrol. So, it was
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you got the driver, you got the
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passenger. That was like you'd have to
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spin a coin and everyone else in the
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back and you just come out stinking of
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petrol which wasn't the most um alluring
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thing where girls were concerned.
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Lee when I first met him
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was a bit scary.
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>> you know. We're all We're all in a band
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waiting around, all right? And you're
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just playing it wrong.
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Look, mate, you play the piano, all
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right? Why don't you stick to your
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piano? All right, I'm only trying my
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best on here, you know what I mean?
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>> I would stick to my piano if you could
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play the thing properly.
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He's always pulling the reed off
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um off the end of his uh sax to get the
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right tuning. And Lee would just sort of
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flit in and out. He would appear maybe
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at a rehearsal occasionally, play a bit,
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and then sort of disappear again.
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Mike was absolutely determined that they
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were going to be a pop group and I said,
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"Well, does Lee have to be in it?" Cuz
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he kept on not turning up for rehearsals
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and Mike would have been moaning about
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him in the kitchen and I said, "Well,
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why don't you kick him out?"
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And he said, "No, no. No, he's very
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important. He's got the right image."
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I was, you know, well into um
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my reggae.
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And, uh um,
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then Lee would go to me, "Tracey, what
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does this mean?" He would ask me all
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sort of certain words. There was a song
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called welding. It was a bit rude.
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And he'd go, "What does it mean, now?
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What does it mean, I mean?"
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I'd say, "I don't know, what do you want
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me to be in the other?" Yeah, I remember
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telling Mark about reggae. I don't know
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if he'd ever heard of it when we first
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started and being a little bit, you
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know, Yeah.
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dubious about whether, you know, whether
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you I mean, those days it was a question
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about whether, white men could play
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reggae.
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I mean, there was a story going around
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that they couldn't. But reggae was very
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rare and, uh, hard to find and and it
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was seemed to be something
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uh, an agreed thing among music musical
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academics that white men couldn't play
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it.
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I think we all went down to the Roxy one
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time, which is where where punk started,
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well, well, they say where it started.
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I'm thinking about 1976.
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And then we weren't overly impressed.
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But the funny thing was, um,
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Don Letts was the DJ and he was playing
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reggae between the punk bands.
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Because there weren't any punk records
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to play.
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And we all liked reggae, so that's the
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bit we liked.
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And it was also that, um,
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you know, I'm such a sort of try it
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thing, but but but but the punks were
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wearing straight trousers, you know, we
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were coming out of this dinosaur period
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of,
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you know,
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brushed denim flares and all that with
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an iron crease.
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The way we used to do stuff was we'd go
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to rehearsal place.
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You know, and I'd like, "Oh, I've got
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these chords here,
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you know." Cuz I wouldn't have much of
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a, you know, they go like this. And we'd
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start playing and then, you know,
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Bedders would do a bassline and, you
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know, and I'd go, "Oh, the drum, you
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know." We'd get it going. And then we
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would often, you know, get a cassette
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machine and record the songs. And then
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people like Lee or Suggs would take them
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home.
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And, you know, come up with lyrics. more
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camel. One more camel.
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So, we just wrote about what was going
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on. I suppose Ian Dury was a big
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influence and and Ray Davies certainly,
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I think. When you think of sort of the
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anti
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kind of American rock and roll. That you
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can write about having a cup of tea or
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your mates or
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things that are important to you, you
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know. So, we all started writing songs.
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So, I started writing songs and I
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suppose when when somebody starts
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writing songs, then everybody else
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starts thinking, "Well, I can do it as
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well." So, there was an element of that
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and before you knew it, we were we were
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all sort of writing songs. Razor Blade
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Alley is still
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um it's early Madness heading towards
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where they're going to end up. But, it's
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it's a really lovely use of a basic kind
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of ska rhythm.
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That ta-dum in the guitar where you've
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got that
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It's a great rhythm. It'll carry right
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the way through the whole song. Where
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you What you haven't got is the
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sophistication of later Madness because
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those chords never change.
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Rehearsing as a band sort of proper from
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late probably late 1978, I'd say.
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And
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then by '79
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from my memory, the specials came onto
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the scene. We all went down to see them
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and it was a revelation that they were
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dressed a bit like us. They played music
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a bit like us that we were onto
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something. I saw the specials in their
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first getting a bit of a name for
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themselves.
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And thinking wow, it really sounded like
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those old reggae records that we were
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trying to do. You know, we were quite
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happy in our little bubble. If we you
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know, we worked all week and we played a
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gig on a Friday night in a pub. That was
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00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,400
fine. You know, and a few birds came
541
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:32,440
along.
542
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:33,800
But suddenly we saw this might be
543
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,760
something really happening and
544
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,680
Jerry came to my mom's flat that night
545
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,720
where I was still living and kicked on
546
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,200
the sofa.
547
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:42,200
And then announced he was going to start
548
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,320
a record label called two-tone.
549
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:45,840
And that's how the association became
550
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,800
and then we were into 1979. Lo and
551
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,080
behold a few months later he called me
552
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:50,320
up and said you want to make a record.
553
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:51,520
You know, so we made the first record
554
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,120
with two-tone.
555
00:21:54,120 --> 00:21:55,720
The funny thing was that you know, they
556
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,800
they were only just able to half play a
557
00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,160
song
558
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,040
when we suddenly sort of started getting
559
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:02,920
a bit successful, you know, and we I
560
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:04,640
mean when we went in the studio we we'd
561
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,240
only barely mastered our instruments.
562
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,520
But he was playing his sax a semi-tone
563
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,840
out. You know, he he he'd never been
564
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,120
taught.
565
00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:15,240
So he was kind of blowing extra hard to
566
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,240
try and get the notes in tune but his
567
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,840
fingering was a semi-tone out. So we I
568
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,560
think we did the first album and he was
569
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,360
playing this kind of
570
00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:25,160
with his mouthpiece about to fall off to
571
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,560
try and get the tuning right.
572
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,360
Okay, you ready out there?
573
00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:34,920
I think with all the questions
574
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,480
that he asked me, he put together in his
575
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,440
own little way.
576
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,480
Buster, he sold the heat.
577
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:49,560
With his rocksteady beat.
578
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,440
And that's why he's a rude boy
579
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,840
but not in Orange Street.
580
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,120
A ghost dances to the parents. You got
581
00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:06,320
to help us with your feet.
582
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:52,960
>> And we went on the two-tone tour, which
583
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,600
is the most exciting time of my life.
584
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:08,720
The first thing we did, we got on a
585
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,080
coach at um the Roundhouse in Chalk
586
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,640
Farm. And the first stop was the Watford
587
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,000
service station, which is where all
588
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:15,960
bands stop.
589
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,520
>> My first meeting with Lee was on the um
590
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Was he on the M1 something like about
591
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,240
5:00 5:00 or 6:00 in the morning. It was
592
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,320
chaos.
593
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,640
We're there to do a photo session.
594
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,080
I put all of the both bands together.
595
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,960
That's where I had this big fight
596
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,320
with some skinheads. And there was a
597
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,160
flipping riot at the
598
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,480
Somebody called the old bill. You know,
599
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,360
you're all all the rest of the guys from
600
00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:43,520
from Madness are really funny.
601
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,280
But Lee just stood out as the
602
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,560
He's like the naughty 12-year-old.
603
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,040
You know, black and white kids all
604
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,560
causing trouble. And probably Lee had
605
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,200
nicked something out of the thing. And
606
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:54,440
that's when
607
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,720
Lee got into slight altercation
608
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,280
with her majesty's finest.
609
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,680
Anyway, Lee
610
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:12,600
and
611
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,440
Neville and I think Lynval from The
612
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,680
Specials all got nicked.
613
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,160
That's me. I hadn't even got to the
614
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,120
first gig.
615
00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:22,400
I just thought they were
616
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,560
a bit like a circus act.
617
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,080
Very very clownish and very zany, but
618
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,120
very very entertaining, I thought, you
619
00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:32,280
know.
620
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,640
You know, it was a good hobby and they
621
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,200
were off the street and they weren't
622
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,040
getting into trouble.
623
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,800
And then suddenly
624
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,320
somebody phoned up and said they were
625
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,280
from a record company. I thought, "Oh
626
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,040
god, yes, he's one of their friends
627
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,520
having a joke with them."
628
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,800
And uh it turned out that it was Stiff
629
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,640
Records. You know, somebody said, "Well,
630
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,320
what what music are we going to do at
631
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,880
the wedding?" So, I thought,
632
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,960
you know, "That's it. See if you can get
633
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,440
Madness for it. I can see them."
634
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:18,920
And you know, at this point I had heard
635
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,360
a few things that they were really good.
636
00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:22,480
I had heard, for example, that Chrysalis
637
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,000
had seen them
638
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,160
seven or eight times and I thought to
639
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,640
myself, "Well, it takes Chrysalis 11 or
640
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,640
12 times to make any kind of decision."
641
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,200
They opened up
642
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,600
with a try One Step Beyond with that dum
643
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,400
watch flat watch and I thought, "God,
644
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,200
that's good. You know, that's that's the
645
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,680
opening single. That's that's a single
646
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,400
straight away. And it'll make a good
647
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,400
album title." So, I was thinking this
648
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:00,720
and my wife was kind of nudging me
649
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,240
saying, "Stop thinking about that."
650
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,320
So, they were great. Did a great set and
651
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,040
I thought, "I've got to have them." I
652
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,080
think it was largely down to me and
653
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,920
Tommo dancing out into the crowd and
654
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,960
and, you know, making them watch, making
655
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,400
our Elvis Costello watch and and Jerry
656
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,280
and We liked Stiff Records cuz it had
657
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,080
Ian Dury, Wreckless Eric, Elvis
658
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,040
Costello. Yeah, a lot of bands that we
659
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,320
liked.
660
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:39,920
And Dave just said, "Look,
661
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,320
just start making records and let's
662
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:42,400
start putting them out."
663
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,800
>> Okay, I've got the producer you want and
664
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,920
I've booked the studio, so why don't we
665
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,040
get started? And they went,
666
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,800
"Oh, right."
667
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,120
You know, what about that?
668
00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:53,760
>> The first single was The Prince, which
669
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,520
is a a homage to Prince Buster. One Step
670
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,320
Beyond was a cover of a Prince Buster
671
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,320
song. So, we didn't want to do it. We
672
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,760
were not a Prince Buster cover band.
673
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:03,800
They went, "Oh, we're not going to
674
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,360
record that."
675
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:06,960
And I said, "What?
676
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,760
That's the one. That's the track." And
677
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,840
they went, "Oh, don't, you know, what?
678
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,720
That's not a single. No, you know, we're
679
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,920
not we're not doing it."
680
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,320
But Dave said, "No, but you can't get it
681
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,880
like One Step Beyond, the actual concept
682
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,240
as an album title is going to really do
683
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,320
something."
684
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,160
So, I got them around the table
685
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,160
for about 2 hours till I bored them
686
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,840
brainless about the idea they had to do
687
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:32,800
it.
688
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,160
And about 3 days later,
689
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,320
they presented me with a 1-minute,
690
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,720
25-seconds version. So, they only
691
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,320
recorded it 30 seconds of One Step
692
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,080
Beyond and then Dave went in the studio
693
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,880
and repeated it onto a separate piece of
694
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,600
tape while we weren't there.
695
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:48,680
Stuck it through this thing called a
696
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,680
harmonizer, which just changed the sort
697
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:51,600
of
698
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,080
sound of it a bit.
699
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,440
And made it into a 3-minute single. We
700
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,200
put it out, and the rest is kind of as
701
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,040
they say history. It was a big
702
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,280
It was a big hit. It was kind of
703
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,800
startling on the great British public.
704
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:24,520
So,
705
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,320
that that was the odd sex player. It was
706
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,720
great. It was He was great, but very
707
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,120
very low uh attention span.
708
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,760
You know, he he We'd have a
709
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,240
conversation,
710
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,080
he would go out to the loo or something,
711
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,640
and he'd never come back. That used to
712
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,000
happen a lot. Where's Lee?
713
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,280
Attention deficit hyperactivity
714
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,040
disorder, or ADHD,
715
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,120
is a group of behavioral symptoms that
716
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,400
include inattentiveness, hyperactivity,
717
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,520
and impulsiveness.
718
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,320
Common symptoms of ADHD include short
719
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,480
attention span and being easily
720
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:00,640
distracted.
721
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,600
>> time in Land of Hope and Glory was
722
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,240
myself and Lee. And you can hear this
723
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,360
this lad being yelled at by these
724
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,480
guards, being told go to bed, watching
725
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,200
pants people and having to get off on
726
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,680
the fact that there's a bit of belly to
727
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,640
look at. And that's it. And otherwise,
728
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,800
probably a whole bunch of boys stuck in
729
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,840
a institution
730
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,000
who are massively horny and can't do
731
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,720
anything about it, you know? That all of
732
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,960
that is is there.
733
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,120
>> That nice
734
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,720
chord move.
735
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,240
Again, you can hear the sound of music
736
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,800
hall in there.
737
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,600
I I I wonder if Lee always knew he was
738
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,000
never going to actually put a tune to
739
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,080
those verse sections.
740
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,040
Because it's it makes much more sense
741
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,200
from just to speak the thing straight to
742
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,520
the chorus. And then when you get to the
743
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:25,840
chorus,
744
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,400
you've got a proper kind of
745
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,000
that feel then is very much more
746
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,520
a a a hooky chorus that would would sort
747
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,120
of go in.
748
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,320
Lee Thompson
749
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,320
started to feature. The first time was
750
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,120
Top of the Pops
751
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,600
for I think One Step Beyond. We used to
752
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,200
do Top of the Pops quite a few times,
753
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,560
and every single time Lee had an idea,
754
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,560
but he'd never tell the director. It'd
755
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,280
always be in here.
756
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,600
When the we did the run through, Lee had
757
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,880
a little toy saxophone and did a kind of
758
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,680
a back somersault at some point and
759
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,000
crashed into a load of kind of bits on
760
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,400
the floor.
761
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,040
And I said, "What What are you doing,
762
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,200
Lee?"
763
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,600
He said, "Well, I've got this I've got
764
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,200
this idea. I've got this I want to do."
765
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,440
I said, "Well,
766
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,400
here's kind of how it works. They don't
767
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,400
know. It's not magic. They don't know
768
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,520
you're going to do it unless you tell
769
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,280
me, and I'll tell them you're going to
770
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:22,920
do it."
771
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,880
>> 99.9% of the time, all these little
772
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,000
funnies that he thought, you know, be
773
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,320
like revealed, "Haha!"
774
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:31,720
it wouldn't you wouldn't see them
775
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,560
because the camera wouldn't be on him,
776
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:34,760
of course. So, he never thought about
777
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,200
that one.
778
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,400
Been on the telephone for an hour.
779
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,040
We only said a word.
780
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,640
I tried and tried, but I could not be
781
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,240
heard. So, Lee was on to me about
782
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,600
baggy trousers. He was on to that he
783
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,760
he'd seen somebody do some kind of
784
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,040
trapeze something. He seen He wanted to
785
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,400
look like he was flying.
786
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,800
Baggy trousers? Ha! Baggy trousers?
787
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,120
I found a circus
788
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,440
guy.
789
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,400
And he said, "Oh, yeah, you can do you
790
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,240
can do that and you have these wires.
791
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:16,720
Don't you see them or whatever?" And how
792
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,120
do you How can you spin? He said, "Oh,
793
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,800
you spin between the wires. You the
794
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,920
harness goes around and around blah
795
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,120
blah." I said, "Fine, okay."
796
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,080
Then I realized when I saw the crane
797
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,320
that that you were going to go up in the
798
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,400
air and I thought, "Hmm, well, you know,
799
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,280
let's let's make sure the strapping is
800
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:38,680
tight."
801
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:39,880
You know, and Lee didn't even tell the
802
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,720
band. Lee used to keep everything secret
803
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,080
from everybody. So, when the crane
804
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,880
arrived, the group didn't know that Lee
805
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,680
was going to slap on this thing and do
806
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,240
the thing.
807
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,280
I just think it's the loveliest
808
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,360
loveliest face of Suggs when he's doing
809
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,040
it. And Suggs goes
810
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,680
and then you see that a genuine like
811
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,280
real smile on Suggs' face. You could see
812
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,000
me going like, "I hope it doesn't fall
813
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,280
on my head." So, Lee kind of sails past
814
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,280
Suggs' nose kind of thing into the
815
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,919
rafters.
816
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,120
And I'm shouting in the background at
817
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,000
the crane, "Get him up! Get him up!"
818
00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:33,200
So, he goes off and then and he had
819
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,919
never tried it out. So, so keeping his
820
00:34:35,919 --> 00:34:38,360
equilibrium and having his sax in his
821
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,399
hand and being I mean, it was you know,
822
00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:41,720
it was quite something else. You know, I
823
00:34:41,720 --> 00:34:43,919
mean, health and safety, leave it out.
824
00:34:43,919 --> 00:34:47,040
People who interviewed me later on said,
825
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,919
"Where was the net?"
826
00:34:48,919 --> 00:34:51,639
And I said, "Net?"
827
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:04,320
Who else would have been prepared to be
828
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,440
unhooked by their belt and swung about
829
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,080
30 ft in the air?
830
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,400
I mean, one of the things about Madness,
831
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,400
which is fascinating, is that they had
832
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,560
what, four, five, six writers? I mean,
833
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,680
that has to be unique in history of pop
834
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,480
music. I always get the hump with him
835
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,880
because he writes everything on bits of
836
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:20,480
paper.
837
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,800
>> Scraps of paper here, scraps of paper
838
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:23,160
there.
839
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,200
>> Obviously, they all get, "Where's that
840
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,040
bit of paper?" I'm like, "Why don't you
841
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,840
just get yourself a book?" An
842
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,680
embarrassment, um it was really dodgyly
843
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,240
written out, and and it was like a bit
844
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:33,640
of paper you could have easily lost. I
845
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,120
have a feeling if I'd lost that bit of
846
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,560
paper, that song would have never got
847
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,280
written, you know?
848
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,160
But here's a song that's very personal
849
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,760
to Lee about his sister and this this
850
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,480
issue of interracial marriage, which at
851
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:53,840
that time
852
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,040
was a still a taboo in a lot of people's
853
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,160
minds.
854
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,680
Yeah, especially if you're going
855
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,160
if you've got a racist friend, don't
856
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,600
talk to them and all that. It was just,
857
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,240
you know, great. Of course not. But
858
00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:04,560
unfortunately, we're dealing with the
859
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,000
world we're in.
860
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,720
You know, some of our relations are
861
00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:09,160
racist, and we've got to deal with that
862
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,000
right now, you know, not
863
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,160
what, I'm not going to speak to my mom
864
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,600
and dad cuz they said something about
865
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,680
I've got a No, that was my mom. Oh, my
866
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,760
mom was like
867
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,840
Mrs. Bouquet, Mrs. Bucket, right?
868
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,000
She was like that. She Everything she
869
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,840
She worried, worried. She was worrying,
870
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,440
what the neighbors going to think. She
871
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,160
was worrying what the family's going to
872
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,560
think.
873
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,520
Great chords. That's a lovely
874
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,240
progression.
875
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:04,360
Which is the one you started the whole
876
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,960
song with.
877
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,560
But then what Lee does, particularly
878
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,480
with the sax, and this is where I think
879
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,160
he's really interesting as a performer,
880
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,720
as well.
881
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:18,320
He does what Nelson Riddle does with
882
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,200
Frank Sinatra.
883
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,400
That has a real kind of
884
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,080
an anger to it as well as a very, very
885
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:40,840
funky feel with the ska backing.
886
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,200
She was worrying about how black the
887
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,880
baby was going to be. You know, like,
888
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,960
you know, well, like, her first curl
889
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,520
that come through, she cut it off.
890
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,400
It was beautifully written. I mean, it
891
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,600
was it was very descript
892
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:25,280
and not judgemental about anyone.
893
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,160
So if you have a light kind of beaty
894
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,080
song, you could be saying anything that
895
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,360
the people didn't kind of spot it. And
896
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,520
so that was kind of fascinating. So they
897
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,080
addressed uh things that other people
898
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,840
hadn't.
899
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:39,840
I mean the house of fun thing.
900
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,640
He said he he saw this film called
901
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,160
Summer of '42 and the guy goes and tries
902
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,560
to buy some condoms. You know, he goes,
903
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,040
"A packet of gum,
904
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,200
a packet of you know."
905
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,640
So I mean it was called the chemist
906
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,040
facade
907
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,440
before and it was an album track.
908
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:56,960
Dave Robinson said, "If we had a chorus
909
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,720
on that, it would be a hit."
910
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:14,680
And it was quite nice cuz we put down a
911
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,040
piano for the melody.
912
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,000
Um which we kept in the final mix. So,
913
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,400
it had a kind of ABBA effect. I think,
914
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,160
you know, ABBA would always do the
915
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,080
melody on the piano and sing it and it's
916
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,240
quite a pop thing. So, it's a welcome to
917
00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:31,200
the house of jumped out. You know, you
918
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:32,600
take the piano out playing the melody,
919
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,400
it's a bit flat.
920
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,560
Brilliant ska. That's I yeah, that
921
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,760
that sort of feel that but then to put
922
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,800
over it that lovely little bit of sax.
923
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,160
Very two-tone as far as I feel anyway.
924
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,480
But two-tone but with a bit more
925
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,520
sophistication to it.
926
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,400
And all of those key changes
927
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,360
All of those moves down are just not
928
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:04,920
ska, I don't think. I don't think
929
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:05,920
they're they're they're they're more
930
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,440
complicated than that, more complex, bit
931
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,080
more sophisticated.
932
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:09,720
Um
933
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:12,120
and that lovely piano that you've got in
934
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,000
there which is doing you because it's
935
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,280
doing
936
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,440
That's actually doing kind of minor key
937
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,080
major key.
938
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,080
It's that.
939
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,320
But it sounds both
940
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,600
like a fairground and like a circus and
941
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:29,920
a bit of a kind of I mean, it's the
942
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,120
house of fun.
943
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:32,840
And their ability to come up with kind
944
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,760
of ideas like the the bit in House of
945
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,040
Fun where
946
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,240
one guy turns, the other guy ducks down,
947
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:40,680
then he turns back and the other guy
948
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,600
ducks up. I mean,
949
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,120
all that stuff, you know, I I saw it as
950
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,760
just a brass section and then you've got
951
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,240
a camera rolling and suddenly they're
952
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:51,760
doing this thing. You think, oh good,
953
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,560
this is good.
954
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:57,640
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
955
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:58,480
no, no.
956
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,560
You misunderstood.
957
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,640
16 big boys in my
958
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,400
in my manhood.
959
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,360
I met two dates on a date, two dates I
960
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,880
think you serve on your my way. Welcome
961
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,680
to the house of fun. Now I've come my
962
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,360
way. Welcome to the lion's den.
963
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,920
Temptation
964
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,560
>> Leo was right, with fantastic innuendo.
965
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,560
Every There's always something in there,
966
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:23,840
sexual, I would say.
967
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,160
>> Just kind of query clever lyrics,
968
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,040
um, talking about the the problems and
969
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,520
pressures and, you know, foibles of
970
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,360
growing up as a teenage boy and and
971
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,320
confronting sex and the realities of
972
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:36,400
sex.
973
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,120
And on the one it's fun, on the other
974
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,400
it's scary.
975
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,000
Great, huh?
976
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,120
We were 18 years old or something when
977
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:53,760
when we started and we went straight
978
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,000
into being successful, more or less. In
979
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,440
all bands' careers where you it all gets
980
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,520
a bit tired and you take yourself far
981
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,200
too seriously
982
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:03,920
and there's a lot of pressure on you.
983
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,800
And great as it is, it's only one aspect
984
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,800
of of being a human being.
985
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,600
>> Been a long
986
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,360
road, you know, a lot of fun, but a lot
987
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,360
of work and a lot of not being at home,
988
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,000
you know, a lot of us had young children
989
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,640
and um
990
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,560
you know, a bit of a break seemed
991
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,560
like not a bad idea. We should have just
992
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,560
stopped. Just stopped for a couple of
993
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,040
years.
994
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,040
Good night.
995
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,240
You know, they were so busy
996
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:39,400
all the time. If they weren't doing a
997
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:40,800
gig, they were rehearsing. If they
998
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:41,920
weren't rehearsing, they were doing a
999
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,240
record. If they weren't doing a record,
1000
00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:44,640
they were being photographed for a
1001
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:45,880
video.
1002
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,160
I mean, just to sum it up roughly, you
1003
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:48,360
could say is, you know, it all just got
1004
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:49,720
a bit much and you needed a break,
1005
00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:51,600
really. I mean
1006
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,040
Uh and so so I thought I needed a break,
1007
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,440
yeah. I had a bit of a too long break, I
1008
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,880
think.
1009
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,560
Suddenly we were at a big record label
1010
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,040
Virgin and as nice as they were, we lost
1011
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,640
something of our way, I think, at that
1012
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:11,160
point.
1013
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,240
>> guess what you do see is Lee maturing as
1014
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:15,200
a songwriter, writing about serious
1015
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,720
topics. He certainly became a lot a lot
1016
00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:19,280
more interested in subjects like animal
1017
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:20,680
rights,
1018
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:21,520
um
1019
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:22,800
you know,
1020
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,640
I mean, at one point
1021
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,640
did he join the Hare Krishnas?
1022
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,080
I know he started a bicycle shop.
1023
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,440
Then I remember he applied for a job in
1024
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:31,840
a Chinese restaurant. He put on a
1025
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,040
Chinese accent, which
1026
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,360
you know, all the bizarre things Lee's
1027
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:36,120
done.
1028
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,400
I don't know quite what that was about.
1029
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:39,920
Um
1030
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,320
then he was working as a bin man for a
1031
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,240
bit. Then he was putting up It was
1032
00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:45,560
flyposting, I seem to recall. You know,
1033
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,360
madness blew up, and then there was four
1034
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,320
of us, and then that sort of
1035
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,320
wound up nowhere. So Lee and I started
1036
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,960
writing songs.
1037
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,400
But some of his lyrics I thought,
1038
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:06,880
"Bloody hell, where's that coming from?"
1039
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,880
You know, I was quite, uh
1040
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,720
you know, it's like, "Bloody hell,
1041
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:11,840
what's you know, what's going on in
1042
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,040
there?" You know.
1043
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,880
It's just like the stress of being a
1044
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,720
policeman, I think. I think you might
1045
00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:19,120
have to ask Lee.
1046
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,760
There's so many elements going on in
1047
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,200
It's okay, I'm a policeman.
1048
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,320
You can tell, for a start, the whole
1049
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:28,960
kind of anarchy is like a theatrical
1050
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,680
anarchy, and the theatreness of the
1051
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,120
piece.
1052
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,360
And what I think he's gone back to with
1053
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,400
Crunch is both the kind of raw sense of
1054
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,520
madness. Although you've got a really,
1055
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,360
really good
1056
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,000
rhythmic kind of driver behind this
1057
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,160
number.
1058
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:47,760
And I love the fact, again,
1059
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,720
the the way that the sax is being used
1060
00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:51,960
is
1061
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:55,640
I think you're going to be sick of it.
1062
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,000
I'm living it, eating it, breathing it,
1063
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,480
got to get out of it.
1064
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,400
Got to get the bits of it to cope with
1065
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,160
the scrutiny.
1066
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,920
Whoever stacked it
1067
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,560
>> Then what he's doing over the top of
1068
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,120
that
1069
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,520
is building up all these different
1070
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,320
references of villains who are kind of
1071
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,160
also admirable villains who are also us.
1072
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,200
And it's basically a broken guy in the
1073
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,280
middle of it all. It's a town of
1074
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,000
policeman. It's a town of weather man.
1075
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,520
He's also, you know, he's Elvis. He's
1076
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,680
Jimmy Cagney. He's all these different
1077
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,480
things. And at the end of the day, if
1078
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,160
you see the video,
1079
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,640
he's also he's living on the streets.
1080
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,480
He's the bloke who yells at you as you
1081
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,520
go past. He's that little thorn in your
1082
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,280
side.
1083
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:03,560
And that weird thing of being covered in
1084
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,960
flour and which he still does to this
1085
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,720
day sometimes.
1086
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:21,640
With the
1087
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,280
crunch stuff,
1088
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,720
I feel like that ain't his voice. It's
1089
00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:29,760
like he's putting on a voice.
1090
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,760
It's very nearly German
1091
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,360
cabaret.
1092
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:53,800
IT WAS A BIT LIKE THE BLUES BROTHERS. IT
1093
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,280
WAS A mission from God. I thought this
1094
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:56,400
is it. You know, this is this is a
1095
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:57,960
chance to get the band back. Get the
1096
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,880
band back together, man. I think there
1097
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:01,600
was a big huge sigh of relief when
1098
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,120
everybody got back together again.
1099
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,640
Cuz I felt it was it was rather like a
1100
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,880
family that had kind of had a squabble
1101
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,000
and split up, you know, and just got
1102
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,640
back together again. It took about a
1103
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,240
year and a half, 2 years. Lots of
1104
00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:17,560
meetings. Well, I started working with
1105
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,440
Madness in 1992.
1106
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,760
Um which is when they sort of came back
1107
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,040
from
1108
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,280
wherever it was they went.
1109
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:27,760
I mean, I remember the first gig in
1110
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,680
Finsbury Park, which was wonderful,
1111
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,240
actually.
1112
00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:32,360
We said, "What should we put in the
1113
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,360
set?" And then we said, "Well, let's
1114
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,160
have a look at all the singles." And
1115
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,080
there were like over 20 of them. So,
1116
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,040
that's a set in itself.
1117
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,000
And then um we went, "Well, I enjoy
1118
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,440
playing, you know, Race of the Blade
1119
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,600
Alley, you know, Lee Thompson, that was
1120
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,160
always a corker.
1121
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:48,600
Land of Hope and Glory, that's always a
1122
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,840
laugh." That Finsbury Park gig was
1123
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,120
brilliant. You had a whole horde of
1124
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,920
people jumping at the same time. And it
1125
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,400
was very interesting to really feel the
1126
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,920
earth shake. You could It was like an
1127
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,040
earthquake for me.
1128
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,200
You know, when you stand on the side of
1129
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:52,840
the stage and you you watch madness.
1130
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,720
It's like watching sort of six or seven
1131
00:49:55,720 --> 00:49:57,720
different sort of
1132
00:49:57,720 --> 00:49:59,680
TV shows going at the same time. They're
1133
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,400
each one is their own little character,
1134
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,240
really. So.
1135
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:15,320
Yeah, it was
1136
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,880
uh unbelievable event. There was even an
1137
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,280
earthquake. I don't know if you know at
1138
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,640
that gig. It was in the front um
1139
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,480
on the front page of the Independent on
1140
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,640
the Monday. Um there was a headline
1141
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,920
there that said north um earthquake in
1142
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,960
north London, not many deaf. Lots of
1143
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,960
friends and family crying. We had a
1144
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,960
backstage I mean I organized a backstage
1145
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,160
area for for disabled and a crash for
1146
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,680
our kids and it was done with love, you
1147
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:42,800
know.
1148
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,840
He's got a big extended family, I seem
1149
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,080
to remember from gigs. That used to
1150
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,000
irritate me a bit, actually.
1151
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,240
Used to be
1152
00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:53,160
members of Lee's family all over the
1153
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,720
place in the best seats.
1154
00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:57,680
I had an awareness from the onset that
1155
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,680
uh you know, Lee needed um
1156
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,040
you know, extra care when it came to
1157
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:02,040
money.
1158
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:03,880
And that um you know, we had to make
1159
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,040
sure that we allocated what was profit
1160
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:07,800
and what was tax and the clear
1161
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,520
distinction was made between the two.
1162
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,640
Lee and all the sort of band meetings
1163
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,280
that I've had has never been the most
1164
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,440
focused band member on kind of legal and
1165
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,040
contractual issues. You know, he just
1166
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:24,680
didn't seem to be that interested in in
1167
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,080
in them.
1168
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,440
You know, he wasn't one for for dotting
1169
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,320
the eyes and crossing the tees.
1170
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,240
I think the longest conversation I've
1171
00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:37,760
had with Lee was when we bumped into
1172
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,200
each other at the reopening of the
1173
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,760
Southampton Arms in Kentish Town and um
1174
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,840
he embraced me, which was the warm
1175
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,960
person he is. And uh
1176
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:48,640
and we sat down and had quite a long
1177
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,800
conversation. We talked a lot about
1178
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:51,840
beer.
1179
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,720
Um and that was partly because I was
1180
00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:58,160
then working on Madness's beer contract.
1181
00:51:58,160 --> 00:51:59,040
And really that's the longest
1182
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,000
conversation I've had with Lee.
1183
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:05,640
Um so it had really nothing to do with
1184
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,080
Madness's business or legal issues. Um
1185
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,160
and uh and I look back on it with
1186
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,400
fondness. He has certainly matured in a
1187
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,320
lot of different ways.
1188
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,040
Like a good wine or something like that.
1189
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:18,840
I possibly but although he might be
1190
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,200
slightly corked, I think. I think it
1191
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,920
would be fair to say that half the band
1192
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:25,840
were very skeptical
1193
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,920
about working with me because I think I
1194
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,400
upset a lot of them by telling them they
1195
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,280
were too fat.
1196
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,560
Lee Thompson is the third frontman
1197
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:38,680
of the great British pop group Madness.
1198
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,200
And also what's great about them
1199
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:42,800
is
1200
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,480
they've got four frontmen.
1201
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,080
I mean Suggs obviously lead singer but
1202
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,440
Lee is very much a frontman.
1203
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,240
Kind of a court jester as well but he
1204
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:56,520
can sing, he writes. They're they're
1205
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,120
lovely.
1206
00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:59,880
They're special.
1207
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:01,640
Lovestruck is just a wonderful song. I
1208
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,200
think for Madness it's just one of the
1209
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:04,640
best starts
1210
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,120
to any of the songs, I think.
1211
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,480
Staggering home,
1212
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,760
the headlights throw a shadow up and
1213
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,280
upon Staggering home, the headlights
1214
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,600
throw a shadow up and upon
1215
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,440
friends and loved ones that have done no
1216
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,880
wrong but no longer mean anything to me.
1217
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,200
Staggering home,
1218
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,560
the headlights throw a shadow up and
1219
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,080
upon
1220
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,600
friends and loved ones that have done no
1221
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:31,880
wrong
1222
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:36,120
but no longer mean anything to me.
1223
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:37,800
That confusion of being drunk and
1224
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,360
staggering around but also that thing a
1225
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,840
bit of hopelessness and a bit of like
1226
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,960
and also a bit of bravado where you're
1227
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,360
thinking nah no one it doesn't I'm just
1228
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:48,720
you know no one means anything to me
1229
00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:50,680
anymore I just don't you know I'm just
1230
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,480
going to do what I want to do. He can
1231
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,720
make poetry out of the fact that he
1232
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:59,080
knows he's so smashed he can't get home.
1233
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:00,480
And that there's there's more to it than
1234
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,480
that you know he's obviously deeply
1235
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,280
deeply miserable and he's drinking like
1236
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:09,200
like mad to deal with it.
1237
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,160
I don't know the ins and outs of
1238
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,120
everything Lee does but
1239
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:18,680
who would want to?
1240
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:19,920
But um
1241
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,480
I do know that he can go off beam you
1242
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:22,760
know that you often even when we were
1243
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,040
kids you know we'd all be together and
1244
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,720
you go where's Lee and he just disappear
1245
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:27,720
you know and he just go off into Tomo
1246
00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:29,200
land.
1247
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,920
And I think that song's about that yeah.
1248
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,600
That's that sort of feels very Lee.
1249
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:13,000
It's it's when it goes into that
1250
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,200
That is it's it reminds me a bit of the
1251
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,680
Beatles.
1252
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,880
Musically he's not on his own.
1253
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,040
Musically melodically he's got other
1254
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:34,960
voices there with him at the same time
1255
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:36,480
and when the whole band come in for the
1256
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,560
chorus it's like they've all been there.
1257
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:39,720
They all know what it's like. They're
1258
00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:41,720
all 100% behind Lee. Yes, of course we
1259
00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:43,400
all know what it's like hanging on to a
1260
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,280
bloody lamp post cuz we're so drunk.
1261
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,200
That's
1262
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:49,400
That's what I mean. I think about the
1263
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,960
team thing. It starts from a single
1264
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,960
idea, but you really get this sense that
1265
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:55,440
it's flowering out so that everybody's
1266
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,280
part of that idea.
1267
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:04,640
We were in
1268
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,640
in uh in my boat in Amsterdam at that
1269
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:07,880
time. I was living on a boat, a little
1270
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,560
studio in the back of the boat.
1271
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,320
And uh we were trying to do some songs.
1272
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,440
He came over for a week or something. Um
1273
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,880
Um and uh Drip Fed Fred, I mean Drip Fed
1274
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,520
Fred, you know, we had this little tune.
1275
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,240
And I went to have dinner and I said uh
1276
00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:23,480
I'll put it on, you know, you listen to
1277
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,280
it on the headphones
1278
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:26,760
and see what you come up with sort of
1279
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:27,760
thing, you know, I said I'm going to
1280
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:29,720
have me dinner with the wife and the
1281
00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:31,360
kids and I'll come back in and see what
1282
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,480
you've done in a minute.
1283
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,480
Gentlemen of our session and ladies of
1284
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,720
the night, I call upon you this evening
1285
00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:42,080
in the hope of shedding some light. I
1286
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,520
can't go into detail or finger unfounded
1287
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,000
fools, but there are some here amongst
1288
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,320
us that are not playing to the rules. He
1289
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,400
came back after me dinner. Right then
1290
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:53,720
and and it was all there, you know, and
1291
00:56:53,720 --> 00:56:56,000
all these different parts breaking down,
1292
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,240
choir here, you know, this happening,
1293
00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:01,440
that happening. And and such a sort of
1294
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,560
uh variety and and uh and a humor to it,
1295
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,960
yeah. You know, really really brilliant.
1296
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,040
>> um Drip Fed Fred, Lee always had Ian
1297
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,840
during mind.
1298
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,560
It's a lyric that that throws you into a
1299
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,400
group of people.
1300
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,160
It was slightly dodgy and but I was
1301
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,800
trying to work out some sort of um
1302
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,680
hierarchy between themselves, I think,
1303
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:40,920
you know. And you've got all these
1304
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:42,160
characters
1305
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,520
doing things.
1306
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,600
Um I don't know. I mean
1307
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:47,960
you never know with Lee. Is it would it
1308
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:49,320
is it a bit of an allegory for the band
1309
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,120
itself? I'm not sure, you know, but it's
1310
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,360
a great it's a fantastic It's again,
1311
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,120
it's a lyric It's just
1312
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,280
the characters are just great, and uh
1313
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:58,640
and that's what sucks you in. And it's
1314
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,280
got a brilliant chorus as well. It's my
1315
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,720
favorite.
1316
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,640
When Lee was teaching himself the sax,
1317
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,720
he was playing around with it note-wise
1318
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:25,120
and with the sound and the texture, but
1319
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:26,400
he was also playing around with it as a
1320
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:27,920
rhythmic thing.
1321
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:29,560
And that whole kind of diddle-diddle-up,
1322
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,520
diddle-diddle-up, diddle-diddle-up That
1323
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,880
feel to it, that sort of percussive sax,
1324
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,680
is really central to the sound of
1325
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,160
Madness all the way through. You can
1326
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,840
hear it in his solo in Dust Devil.
1327
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,000
We've We've written absolute tons of
1328
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,040
songs,
1329
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,160
um culminating in one of our finest, I
1330
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,560
think, which was um
1331
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,200
Dust Devil.
1332
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,400
>> No, I think it's um all about uh
1333
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,800
something that uh vibrates
1334
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:49,760
in a
1335
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,920
young lady's bed at night um
1336
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,400
to be honest, but um
1337
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,160
Or it could be a cleaning device. I'm
1338
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:58,800
not sure. Uh
1339
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,560
but a dust devil, yeah. NW5 feels like
1340
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,840
Lee's actually most lyrical song of all.
1341
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,520
That chorus is actually really, really
1342
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,000
lovely.
1343
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:20,160
Though we face the final curtain, one
1344
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,840
thing remains, that's for certain. I
1345
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:28,360
will love you all my life, but without
1346
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:34,840
you in my life, I would give you
1347
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,680
everything for just that smile you
1348
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:44,320
bring, for just that song to sing.
1349
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,680
And you can tell
1350
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:48,920
this is somebody who
1351
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:50,600
knows about the miserable side, but can
1352
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,040
put a kind of warmth into how they feel
1353
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,280
about it. It's something that they've
1354
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,400
they're so accustomed to
1355
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,760
that there is a positivity even in the
1356
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:01,880
worst things.
1357
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:03,920
An amazing observer
1358
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,920
of of life, and he's puts it down as it
1359
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:08,600
is.
1360
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,400
We were preparing for
1361
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,040
the Olympic show. It was exciting. There
1362
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,240
there was um there was uh talk about
1363
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,440
clothes, what to wear. And Lee had
1364
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,160
decided to wear a kilt with a St.
1365
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,400
George's Cross on it.
1366
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,200
The idea was that the band would be on a
1367
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,680
flatbed just going around the arena.
1368
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,840
He stopped opposite the Queen's seat.
1369
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:33,800
Wire would be attached to the harness
1370
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:35,920
that he Lee already had on. He would
1371
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:37,920
take off and fly, which is what
1372
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,400
happened.
1373
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,600
And what he'd done was he'd got hold of
1374
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,520
a diamante tiara, which was on a 4-ft
1375
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,400
length of fishing wire underneath the
1376
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,640
kilt that he could trigger. And once he
1377
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:52,680
was right above the Queen's head, he
1378
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:54,160
triggered it, and this thing dropped
1379
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:58,000
out, and it was the crown jewels.
1380
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,200
I was playing a festival called The Big
1381
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,720
Festival. My wife described it as bogan
1382
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:16,680
catalog on cider.
1383
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,920
As I understood it, it was a regular set
1384
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:20,640
apart from just at one point during my
1385
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,960
set. I seemed to take the crowd higher
1386
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,800
than usual without really intending to
1387
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,120
or knowing quite what I've done.
1388
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,920
I know Norman's set
1389
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:33,960
intimately, and this sort of noise came
1390
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:35,360
from the crowd at the wrong time.
1391
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:36,600
There's suddenly a big roar, and you're
1392
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:38,960
thinking, "Hmm, I'll take that, but did
1393
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:40,880
I do that?" So, we looked over at the
1394
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,400
stage, and there's this guy climbing up
1395
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,800
this kind of diagonal rigging. My
1396
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,480
production manager had was I had to
1397
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,440
argue with the health and safety people
1398
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,280
not to have the gig stopped mid my set
1399
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,040
because somebody had got up the lighting
1400
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:56,480
rig.
1401
01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:00,280
And of course, it's Lee.
1402
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,080
Lee's always
1403
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:15,760
felt uh more comfortable in midair than
1404
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,880
on the ground. I remember sitting in a
1405
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:19,280
in a 30
1406
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,120
30-floor hotel in Australia.
1407
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:23,160
Just sitting there, just sagged,
1408
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,080
relaxing. And next thing,
1409
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,360
he appears on He's jumped across a gap
1410
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,360
of maybe 4 4 4 and 1/2 5 ft from one
1411
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,120
tower to the next.
1412
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:34,760
And he's like some sticky frog on the
1413
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:36,560
window. On one or two occasions, I've
1414
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:37,760
had to give I've been asked to give
1415
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,040
character reference, and I've always
1416
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:40,600
been willing to do so cuz I've always
1417
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,840
felt that there was never any malice in
1418
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,720
what happened.
1419
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:48,360
We started talking to Butlins. They
1420
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,040
started getting excited. And
1421
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:52,400
we knew they were very excited when they
1422
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,280
suggested lunch
1423
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:55,800
in Minehead. And we were like, "You see,
1424
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:57,320
you can't be serious.
1425
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:58,680
We're not coming to Minehead for lunch."
1426
01:03:58,680 --> 01:03:59,760
And they they sent the Butlins
1427
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,560
helicopter. And we we thought, "Hello,
1428
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:03,840
this is So, we we developed the idea,
1429
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,000
presented it to the band.
1430
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,360
It's worked. It's been amazing. The fans
1431
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:11,960
The the the lovely fans.
1432
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,640
It's turned into a life of its own. And
1433
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:26,320
we're now in on sale with our sixth year
1434
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,200
of the House of Fun.
1435
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,720
I dedicate this to Stacy Scannell.
1436
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,720
Congratulations
1437
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,480
a mad music hall sort of music. And
1438
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,280
and then the words, just the idea of him
1439
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,440
toppling on the top of the top of the of
1440
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,000
these you know, on the the roof up on
1441
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:16,840
the flats, you know, and all the police
1442
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:18,880
trying to chase him. Which was something
1443
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:20,320
that used to happen quite a lot, you
1444
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,720
know, getting chased for whatever
1445
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,440
reasons.
1446
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,320
Lee that likes to mess around with his
1447
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:39,680
image and his persona. And you know,
1448
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:41,640
whatever everything from Harry Krishna
1449
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:43,720
to Smurf to
1450
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:45,600
exploding traffic warden
1451
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,040
to
1452
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:48,400
You know, you name it. I mean, Lee
1453
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:49,960
doesn't mind
1454
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:53,080
making a fool of himself.
1455
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:19,200
What do you call it, son? Madness.
1456
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,440
Madness.
1457
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,240
Madness.
1458
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,680
Madness.
1459
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:28,600
There's a fine line between
1460
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:30,920
humor and something that isn't very
1461
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,640
tasteful.
1462
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:38,200
You know, he does things to the dancers
1463
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,560
and things that I don't find funny.
1464
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:41,920
Like, you know, pretending to wee on
1465
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:43,440
them. You know, he got completely
1466
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,240
pissed. He's trying to climb up the
1467
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:47,120
bloody lights, you know, like a bloody
1468
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,720
idiot like he like he often does. And he
1469
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:53,160
falls over and then he breaks it.
1470
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:54,600
Well, Lee and I generally get on really
1471
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:56,560
well, but there's something that's I've
1472
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:59,840
told nobody and that is that he really
1473
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:02,040
annoys me in the sense that He's great.
1474
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:03,760
I mean, you know, I mean, he's amazing.
1475
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:05,160
I watched
1476
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:07,240
I watched the gig a while back, the
1477
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:09,280
whole gig, and I was looking at him, and
1478
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,320
every moment I I had the impression
1479
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:12,960
every moment he was like doing
1480
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:15,080
something. He's just really funny, yeah.
1481
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,240
He's a great actor.
1482
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:19,600
Um really good actor.
1483
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:22,480
Comedian.
1484
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:26,000
He's great songwriter. Uh lyricist,
1485
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,920
saxophone player.
1486
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,280
And as we all know, you know, no joke is
1487
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:33,400
a sort of dampened by repetition, but
1488
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,000
sometimes it can be really annoying. You
1489
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:37,080
know, I can say to him, "Lee, could you
1490
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:38,800
just please stop?" Because actually he's
1491
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:39,960
getting on my nerves. Well, there's
1492
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,000
always one thing that really infuriates
1493
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:43,480
me about Lee. And I'll tell you, he's
1494
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:44,960
not
1495
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:46,760
It's just unbridled joy, you know what I
1496
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:48,640
mean? It's just that's what Lee, you
1497
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,520
know, brings.
1498
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:00,400
Well, there's one thing that people
1499
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,120
should know about him, and maybe I'll
1500
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:06,080
lose a lot of fans.
1501
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,560
National treasure, institution,
1502
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:11,960
validated by performing for the Queen
1503
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,840
at the Jubilee.
1504
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,400
He can blow better than most saxophone
1505
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:19,200
players I've ever heard in my life,
1506
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:22,400
because it comes from here.
1507
01:08:33,440 --> 01:08:36,279
He's uh he's always entertaining. He's
1508
01:08:36,279 --> 01:08:38,440
always aware
1509
01:08:38,440 --> 01:08:40,799
of the of of the eyes on him, and he's
1510
01:08:40,799 --> 01:08:43,200
always playing to that. In the smallest
1511
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:45,400
ways, there's not a moment wasted. I
1512
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:47,600
used to hate the saxophone, though.
1513
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,880
If there's one person who made me really
1514
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,160
enjoy listening to the saxophone, it's
1515
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:54,279
Lee.
1516
01:08:54,279 --> 01:08:56,359
And it's largely because, I mean, the
1517
01:08:56,359 --> 01:08:57,720
saxophone
1518
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,520
does express the personality.
1519
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:02,400
It when he plays the saxophone, and it's
1520
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:07,000
so it surges with rich warmth and life.
1521
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:10,359
He's absolutely wonderful.
1522
01:09:16,799 --> 01:09:18,040
There was this time once, we were in
1523
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:19,359
Japan
1524
01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:21,960
sharing a room, and hello?
1525
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:23,040
Hello?
1526
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,480
And he's a lovely character now, and
1527
01:09:25,480 --> 01:09:28,680
he's a nice chap.
1528
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:45,680
Multiple personality disorder, or what's
1529
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:47,960
now known as dissociative identity
1530
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:50,240
disorder, is a rare condition where
1531
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:53,000
somebody's identity is fragmented into
1532
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:56,000
two or more distinct personalities. But
1533
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:57,760
then you got to remember with Lee that
1534
01:09:57,760 --> 01:09:58,640
um
1535
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:00,200
if he wasn't in a band, he'd he'd be
1536
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:04,440
locked up in a secure unit somewhere.
1537
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:26,680
The Madness orchestra,
1538
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:28,200
there's loads of them, there's like 10
1539
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:30,440
or 12 of them on stage, and it's a
1540
01:10:30,440 --> 01:10:32,280
really big event. Trying to make that
1541
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:35,160
function, getting all those people off
1542
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:38,520
to gigs, hotels, travel, you know,
1543
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:42,160
financially, it'll never make sense.
1544
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:45,440
I do like ska. I mean, I liked early
1545
01:10:45,440 --> 01:10:48,480
ska, I liked uh Jamaican ska, and
1546
01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:51,360
ska, and uh
1547
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:53,480
um I was never a
1548
01:10:53,480 --> 01:10:55,520
particular Madness fan in the in the in
1549
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,560
the in the
1550
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:59,080
Um
1551
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:01,600
but I do like that strain in in what
1552
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,080
they do.
1553
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:06,640
But every now and again, he'll do
1554
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:08,320
something that I think, "Nah, that is a
1555
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:10,080
step too far."
1556
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:11,240
I would love to see Lee in films,
1557
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:12,680
though.
1558
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:14,240
I really would love to see him, you
1559
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:15,280
know,
1560
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,280
a good script on film because he's he's
1561
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,160
he's a natural actor. He's got it there.
1562
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:20,880
He doesn't He doesn't need any training.
1563
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,560
He's natural. Box of balloons with a
1564
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:26,080
feather light touch, pack of party
1565
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:29,320
poppers that pop in the night.
1566
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:30,920
A toothbrush and hairspray, plastic
1567
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:32,560
grin. Miss Clay on all corners has just
1568
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,680
walked in. Welcome to the house of fun.
1569
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:38,080
Now I've come of age. Welcome to the
1570
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:40,960
house of fun. I think with all the
1571
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:44,560
questions that he asked me, he put
1572
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,920
together in his own little way.
1573
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:50,280
Buster, he's out there
1574
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:53,880
with his rock steady beat. Loved the
1575
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:55,160
kilts.
1576
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:57,080
Oh, it looked great.
1577
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:59,240
Um obviously, it was when he had a
1578
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:02,960
lovely body at the time.
1579
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,040
He's He's written some great songs. He's
1580
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,080
a bright lad. He's a very bright young
1581
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:08,160
man.
1582
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:09,680
And a nice man.
1583
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:11,800
He's nice as well. But always was, I
1584
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:13,360
guess, but I couldn't see it when he was
1585
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:15,560
younger. Lee,
1586
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:17,760
for me, changed the whole tone of it
1587
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,640
into a sumptuous richness
1588
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,160
of sort of ribald pleasure.
1589
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:26,280
That's how I think of it.
1590
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:36,520
He's a very talented boy is is Lee in
1591
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:38,520
his own
1592
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,120
chirpy way.
1593
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:42,960
And it's quite a pop thing, so it's a
1594
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,520
Welcome to the house of jumped out.
1595
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:48,240
Welcome to the house of fun. Now I've
1596
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:51,120
come of age. Welcome to the house of
1597
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:53,040
fun.
1598
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:55,960
Welcome to the night and the temptations
1599
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:59,280
on its way. Welcome to the house of
1600
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:01,120
What's Lee doing? Oh, well, he's up on a
1601
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:04,040
high wire. All right, wearing a tutu.
1602
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:05,600
And I think that that all just comes
1603
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:07,720
from his obviously desperate need to be
1604
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:09,400
center of attention.
1605
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:11,200
He may be clinging onto a lamp post
1606
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:13,360
because he can't hold himself up, but
1607
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:15,360
there's a bit of a smile on his face.
1608
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:16,840
He's a well-rounded performer and
1609
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:18,200
player, you know, you can put him on
1610
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:19,600
that stage, right, and you know very
1611
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:20,520
well he's going to he's going to
1612
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:22,560
entertain the audience. Oh, what have I
1613
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:24,080
done
1614
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:26,560
to deserve this fate? It's all going
1615
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,200
wrong.
1616
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:32,120
Even the cafe has been and gone, and now
1617
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:36,000
I'm lagging in deepest Tottenham.
1618
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,360
Very, very good sax player.
1619
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:41,760
You know, his his kind of dynamic is
1620
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:43,880
great, you know, even if he doesn't use
1621
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,720
all the buttons on the thing. Uh I found
1622
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:48,680
out afterwards that that Mark, my uh
1623
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:50,720
production manager, was had to argue
1624
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:52,520
with the health and safety people not to
1625
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:55,520
have the gig stopped mid my set because
1626
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,280
somebody had gone up the lighting rig.
1627
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:58,520
Now,
1628
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:00,760
he's still swinging from the bloody
1629
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:02,280
rafters.
1630
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:04,120
I had an awareness from the onset that
1631
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:06,240
uh you know, he needed to um
1632
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:07,560
you know, extra care when it came to
1633
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:08,680
money.
1634
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:09,800
Conversation with him when we're trying
1635
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:12,240
to balance the
1636
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:14,240
what the earnings were of fly posting,
1637
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:16,240
what his earnings were as a
1638
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:18,200
performer with Madness at uh Wembley
1639
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:20,480
Arena, two nights there.
1640
01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:22,120
I don't know that philosophical is the
1641
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:23,600
word that would immediately spring to
1642
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,440
mind. He's a very friendly,
1643
01:14:26,440 --> 01:14:29,840
uh charming, um engaging man.
1644
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:33,120
Lee Thompson is the third front man
1645
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:36,920
of the great British pop group Madness.
1646
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:40,000
Um and saxophonist and songwriter
1647
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:41,280
as well.
1648
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:44,040
Lee Thompson is a very strange
1649
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:46,320
character. Um
1650
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:48,120
an enigma.
1651
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:51,120
Um somebody that the
1652
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:53,080
the laws of humanity haven't really
1653
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:56,160
touched yet.
1654
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:59,120
Lee's the
1655
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:00,880
secret weapon,
1656
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,280
the special ingredient,
1657
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:07,200
the chili, the extra hot chili.
1658
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:10,240
He's like the He's like the catalyst
1659
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:13,440
that makes it go bang.
1660
01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:15,960
Yeah.
1661
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:17,440
Yeah, he's the man who get the chemistry
1662
01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:19,720
set and make it blow up.
1663
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:21,960
With a smell as well.
1664
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:25,000
Pretty maintenance free.
1665
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:27,240
Except when you have to get him home cuz
1666
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:28,680
he's a bit of a
1667
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:30,920
likes to enjoy life as we say.
1668
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:32,160
And
1669
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,440
meet and greet the public. I would love
1670
01:15:34,440 --> 01:15:36,600
to see Lee in films though.
1671
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:38,240
I really would love to see him, you
1672
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:39,480
know,
1673
01:15:39,480 --> 01:15:41,240
a good script I'm putting cuz he's he's
1674
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:43,160
he's a natural actor. He's got it there.
1675
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:44,880
He doesn't He doesn't need any training.
1676
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,800
Natural. Box of balloons with a feather
1677
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:51,600
I touch, pack of party poppers that pop
1678
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:53,280
in the night.
1679
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:54,840
A toothbrush and hairspray, plastic
1680
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:56,560
grimace clay, Ronald corners has just
1681
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,680
walked in. Welcome to the house of fun.
1682
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:02,600
I have come of age. Welcome to the house
1683
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:06,360
of fun. I think with all the questions
1684
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:09,960
that he asked me, he put together in his
1685
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:11,840
own little way.
1686
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,320
Buster, he's all there
1687
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,840
with his rocksteady beat. Loved the
1688
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:19,160
Kilburns.
1689
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,280
Oh, it looked great.
1690
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:22,120
Um,
1691
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:23,720
obviously it was when he had a lovely
1692
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,840
body at the time.
1693
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:29,040
He's He's written some great songs. He's
1694
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,080
a bright lad. He's a very bright young
1695
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:32,120
man.
1696
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:35,080
And a nice man. He's nice as well. But
1697
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:36,800
always was I guess, but I couldn't see
1698
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,480
it when he was younger. Lee
1699
01:16:39,480 --> 01:16:42,760
for me changed the whole tone of it into
1700
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:45,840
a sumptuous richness of sort of ribald
1701
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:47,200
pleasure.
1702
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:50,280
That's how I think of it.
1703
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:00,560
He's a very talented boy is is Lee in
1704
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:02,520
his own
1705
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:05,120
chirpy way.
1706
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:06,960
And it's quite a pop thing. So, it's a
1707
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:09,520
welcome to the house of Jump Town.
1708
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:12,280
Welcome to the house of fun. Now I've
1709
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:15,080
come of age. Welcome to the house of
1710
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:17,000
fun.
1711
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,280
Welcome to the night and stand.
1712
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:21,880
Temptation's on its way. Welcome to the
1713
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,600
house of What's Lee doing? Oh, well,
1714
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:26,480
he's up on a high wire. All right,
1715
01:17:26,480 --> 01:17:28,040
wearing a tutu.
1716
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:29,560
And I think that that all just comes
1717
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:31,720
from his obviously desperate need to be
1718
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:33,400
center of attention.
1719
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:35,200
He may be clinging onto a lamp post
1720
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:37,360
because he can't hold himself up, but
1721
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:39,640
there's a bit of a smile on his He's a
1722
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:41,600
well-rounded performer and player now.
1723
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,080
You can put him on that stage, right,
1724
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:44,320
and you know very well he's he's going
1725
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:46,440
to entertain the audience. Oh, what have
1726
01:17:46,440 --> 01:17:48,080
I done
1727
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:50,560
to deserve this fate? It's all going
1728
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,120
wrong.
1729
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:56,120
Even the cafe has been and gone. And now
1730
01:17:56,120 --> 01:18:00,000
I'm lagging in deepest heart and lung.
1731
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,360
Very, very good sax player.
1732
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:05,720
You know, his his kind of dynamic is
1733
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:07,880
great, you know, even if he doesn't use
1734
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:10,720
all the buttons on the thing. Uh I found
1735
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:12,600
out afterwards that that Mark, my
1736
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:14,640
production manager, was I had to argue
1737
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:16,520
with the health and safety people not to
1738
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:19,520
have the gig stopped mid my set because
1739
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:21,280
somebody had got up the lighting rig.
1740
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:22,520
Now,
1741
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:24,720
he's still swinging from the bloody
1742
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:26,240
rafters.
1743
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:28,440
I had an awareness from the onset that
1744
01:18:28,440 --> 01:18:30,200
he'd be needing um
1745
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:31,560
you know, extra care when it came to
1746
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:32,640
money.
1747
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:33,800
Conversation with him where we're trying
1748
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:36,200
to balance the
1749
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:38,240
what the earnings were of fly Posting,
1750
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:40,240
what his earnings were as a
1751
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:42,840
performer with Madness at Wembley Arena,
1752
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:45,080
two nights there. I don't know that
1753
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:46,760
philosophical is the word that would
1754
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:48,920
immediately spring to mind. He's a very
1755
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:50,600
friendly,
1756
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,840
uh charming, um engaging man.
1757
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:57,120
Lee Thompson is the third frontman
1758
01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:00,880
of the great British pop group Madness.
1759
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:04,000
Um and a saxophonist and songwriter
1760
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:05,280
as well.
1761
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:08,040
Lee Thompson is a very strange
1762
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:09,600
character,
1763
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:10,320
um
1764
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:12,120
an enigma.
1765
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:15,080
Um somebody that the
1766
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:17,040
the laws of humanity haven't really
1767
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:20,120
touched yet.
1768
01:19:21,480 --> 01:19:22,840
Lee's the
1769
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:24,880
secret weapon,
1770
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:27,280
the special ingredient,
1771
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:31,240
the chili, the extra hot chili.
1772
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:34,240
He's like the He's like the catalyst
1773
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:37,400
that makes it go Bang.
1774
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,040
Um yeah.
1775
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:41,440
Yeah, he's the man who get the chemistry
1776
01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:43,800
set and make it blow up.
1777
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:46,040
With a smell as well.
1778
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:49,080
Pretty maintenance-free. Um
1779
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:51,120
except when you have to get him home
1780
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:52,720
cuz he's a bit of a
1781
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:54,920
likes to enjoy life, as we say.
1782
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:56,200
And um
1783
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:59,680
meet and greet public.
1784
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:32,840
You say you're in a dancing mood.
1785
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:38,200
Well, I think you're a little bit rude.
1786
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:42,320
Man I come home hungry for my food.
1787
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:45,800
You're in the kitchen dancing. Shoulders
1788
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,560
jerking, hips a wiggling.
1789
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:53,320
Sometimes I sit down and I wonder.
1790
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:57,480
Sometimes I sit down and I wonder.
1791
01:20:57,480 --> 01:20:59,880
Do you love me?
1792
01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:02,200
Do you love me
1793
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:03,840
like you say
1794
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:06,680
you do?
1795
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:32,800
You went to the dance last night.
1796
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,600
You and the rude boys were a terrific
1797
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:37,880
sight.
1798
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:38,920
The rude
1799
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:43,080
boys take you home.
1800
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:43,840
You
1801
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:47,800
know where they took you before.
1802
01:21:48,440 --> 01:21:53,240
Sometimes I sit down and I wonder.
1803
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:58,120
Sometimes I sit down and I wonder.
1804
01:21:58,440 --> 01:22:01,040
Is life worth living?
1805
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:03,480
Is life worth living
1806
01:22:03,480 --> 01:22:06,800
with a woman like you?
1807
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:09,960
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