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>> MIND IF I SMOKE

WHILE YOU'RE EATING?

>> KISSING WITH THEIR TONGUE.

>> AND THAT'S FIRST CLASS?

>> CORRECT.

>> WHICH PART OF FIRST CLASS?

SEX OR NONSEX?

>> IT'LL BE LIKE I NEVER

EVEN EXISTED.

>> I'M LUKE SKYWALKER.

I'M HERE TO SAVE YOU.

>> I'M BEING RESCUED BY

A TRANSVESTITE?

>> MY GOD, HE'S A PERVERT, TOO.

>> WHAT WE DID WAS

TERRIBLY WRONG.

>> IS THIS SEXUAL HARASSMENT?

>> YEAH...

>> DO YOU THINK YOU'RE

LIBERATED?

(PADDLE SMACKS)

>> (SOBBING)

>>YOU'RE A FUCKING ASSHOLE!

>> I DESPISE YOU!

>> FUCK THAT SHIT. RUN.

>> AND THANK YOU FOR FLYING

STAR TOURS.

♪♪

>> MOVIES HAVE BEEN MAKING US

LAUGH AND CRY, GASP AND SCREAM

FOR OVER 100 YEARS.

AND SINCE THE EARLIEST DAYS

OF CINEMA, ADULT FILMS HAVE

BEEN A PART OF THE MOTION

PICTURE LANDSCAPE, MAKING US

GASP FOR ENTIRELY DIFFERENT

REASONS.

AS FAR BACK AS THE 1880's

FILMMAKERS SAW THE GOLDMINE

POTENTIAL OF EROTIC FILM--

LOOPS, STAG FILMS

PEEP SHOW BOOTHS.

FOR THE NEXT 90 YEARS

SOCIETY WATCHED SEX IN

A VARIETY OF WAYS.

THEN IN THE 1970's

EVERYTHING CHANGED.

TAKING ADVANTAGE OF A MORE

SOCIALLY PERMISSIVE ATMOSPHERE

DIRECTORS BEGAN TELLING STORIES

SURROUNDING THE HARDCORE SEX.

FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER

FULL-LENGTH MOVIES WITH

EXPLICIT SEX WERE BEING SHOWN

IN THEATERS FOR A MASS AUDIENCE.

IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO OVERSTATE THE

IMPORTANCE OF GERARD DAMIANO'S

FILM, "DEEP THROAT."

THIS MOVIE OPENED THE DOOR FOR

VIRTUALLY EVERY ADULT FEATURE

THAT CAME AFTER.

WHILE THE EXAGGERATED CLOSE-UPS

CAMPY PERFORMANCES, AND

FIREWORKS GOING OFF DURING

ORGASMS MIGHT SEEM A LITTLE

COMICAL TO A MODERN AUDIENCE

IN 1972, AUDIENCES HAD NEVER

SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT.

WHETHER DISCUSSING ADULT OR

MAINSTREAM, "DEEP THROAT"

REMAINS ONE OF THE MOST

>> YOU SAY THAT YOU WANT MORE

OUT OF SEX THAN JUST A LOT OF

LITTLE TINGLES?

>> YES, I WANNA HEAR BELLS

AND BOMBS--

>> YES, WE JUST WENT THROUGH

THAT, MISS LOVELACE. LET'S NOT

DO THAT PART AGAIN.

>> I DON'T THINK PEOPLE UNDER

A CERTAIN AGE UNDERSTAND JUST

HOW EDGY AND HOW RADICAL IT WAS

TO PUT ACTUAL SEX IN A BIG MOVIE

THEATER.

>> "DEEP THROAT," IN PARTICULAR

OPEN A LOT OF DOORS.

IT MADE IT-- SEEING SOMETHING

LIKE THAT MORE ACCESSIBLE

AND THEN THAT HELPED IN MAKING

>> "DEEP THROAT" AND...

"THE DEVIL IN MISS JONES"

PLAYED THE DOUBLE BILL FOR

>> WHEN "DEEP THROAT" CAME OUT

IN NEW YORK THEATERS, LINES

AROUND THE BLOCK-- JACKIE O.

>> JACKIE KENNEDY WENT TO SEE--

>> DEEP THROAT IS THIS GIRL

SHE'S-- SHE'S TIRED OF-- OF SEX.

SHE THINKS THAT IT SHOULD BE

MORE THAN JUST LITTLE TINGLES.

>> IT MAKES ME FEEL SORT OF

TINGLY ALL OVER, AND THEN--

>> AND THEN WHAT?

>> NOTHING. I MEAN THERE SHOULD

BE MORE TO SEX THAN A LOT OF

LITTLE TINGLES.

THERE SHOULD BE BELLS RINGING

SEAMS BURSTING, BOMBS GOING

OFF-- SOMETHING.

>> DO YOU WANNA GET OFF, OR DO

YOU WANNA WRECK A CITY?

>> SHE CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY SHE

CAN'T HAVE AN ORGASM, BECAUSE

SHE HAS ALL THIS SEX, AND

NOTHING-- I MEAN IT'S NICE, BUT

NOTHING HAPPENS.

SO, UM, SHE GOES TO SEE A SEX

THERAPIST, MR. HARRY REIMS

WHO, UM, EXAMINES HER AND

DISCOVERS THAT HER CLITORIS

IS ACTUALLY ALL THE WAY IN

THE BACK OF HER THROAT.

>> WELL, THERE IT IS.

YOU LITTLE BUGGER!

THERE IT IS!

>> WHAT?

>> WELL, YOUR CLITORIS, IT'S

DEEP DOWN IN THE BOTTOM OF YOUR

THROAT.

>> (SOBBING)

>> NOW, NOW, MISS LOVELACE

LISTEN, HAVING A CLITORIS DEEP

DOWN IN THE BOTTOM OF YOUR

THROAT IS BETTER THAN HAVING

NO CLITORIS AT ALL.

>> THERE'S A THEME SONG--

I FORGOT.

UM, THERE'S A THEME SONG

WHEN SHE DISCOVERS THIS--

THIS, UH, SKILL.

>> ♪ DEEP THROAT ♪

♪ DEEPER THAN DEEP YOUR THROAT ♪

♪ DEEP THROAT ♪

♪ ROW ROW YOUR BOAT ♪

>> SHE FINALLY HAS AN ORGASM.

THERE'S A MONTAGE OF FIREWORKS

AND BELLS RINGING AND A ROCKET

SHIP GOING UP WHILE IT'S

FLASHING BETWEEN HER FACE COMING

AND... SO FUNNY.

SO HE HIRES HER AS A NURSE

AND SHE GOES OUT ON CALL

AND FUCKS ALL THESE GUYS.

>> TELL ME, MR. MOORE

HOW DO YOU FEEL NOW?

>> AND, EVENTUALLY, SHE FINDS

THE PERFECT PENIS

FOR HER THROAT.

AND THEY HAVE ANOTHER MONTAGE.

IN MOST '70s PORNO, EVERYONE

HAS A LOT OF HAIR, BUT IN

"DEEP THROAT," LINDA IS

COMPLETELY CLEAN-SHAVEN.

I WONDERED IF MAYBE SHE STARTED

THAT TREND PERHAPS?

OR MADE IT POPULAR AT LEAST?

I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE SO MANY

PEOPLE SAW IT

>> NIXON, ALONG WITH KEATING

AND THAT ADMINISTRATION WAS OUT

TO STOP THE NEGATIVE PRESS OF

WATERGATE AND, UH, VIETNAM.

>> I THINK REVISITING THIS STORY

AND REVISITING, YOU KNOW, THE

TACTICS THAT CAME INTO PLAY

THAT, UH, THEY HAD A PROBLEM

MORALLY WITH SUBJECT MATTER

AS IN "DEEP THROAT," THE FILM

UM, IS IMPORTANT.

>> AND THE EASIEST TARGET WAS

THE ADULT FILM INDUSTRY.

NIXON RIGGED THE COURTROOM AND

RIGGED THE JUDGE AND GOT HIS

UH, CONVICTIONS AGAINST THE CAST

MEMBERS OF "DEEP THROAT."

>> I DEFINITELY THINK SHE'S--

SHE'S BETTER AT, UM

DEEP-THROATING THICKER COCKS

THAN I AM, BUT I DEFINITELY

DROOL A LOT MORE THAN SHE DOES.

>> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, YOU ARE

ABOUT TO WITNESS THE RAVISHMENT

OF A WOMAN WHO HAS BEEN

ABDUCTED.

>> I ANSWERED AN AD IN THE

"SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE"

THAT SAID "NOW CASTING FOR A

MAJOR MOTION PICTURE."

SO I WALKED UP THE STAIRS, AND I

SAT IN THEIR OFFICE, AND HERE'S

THESE TWO BROTHERS WHO ARE

ABSOLUTELY CHARMING, FABULOUS

NOT THE LEAST BIT OF A QUESTION

IN MY MIND THAT THEY WERE

TOTALLY HONEST GUYS.

(SCREAMING)

THEY EXPLAINED TO ME THE STORY

OF "BEHIND THE GREEN DOOR,"

WHICH I THOUGHT WAS VERY COOL

BECAUSE THAT WAS THE TIME OF

DRUGS, SEX, AND ROCK-N-ROLL.

IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW

ANYTHING WENT.

BEFORE I LEFT, I SAID, "IF YOU

DO WANT ME TO DO THIS, BY THE

WAY, I WANT THIS AMOUNT OF

MONEY AND THIS PERCENTAGE OF

WHATEVER FOR SO MANY YEARS."

AND THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, "DON'T

CALL US, WE'LL CALL YOU."

SO ABOUT AN HOUR LATER, I'M

SITTING AT MY HOUSE, AND THEY

CALLED AND SAID, "WE WANNA

DO IT."

SO THEY CAME OVER FOR ME TO

SIGN THE CONTRACT, AND THAT WAS

UH, THAT WAS THE END OF THAT.

>> ALTHOUGH, AT FIRST

HER REACTIONS MAY LEAD YOU TO

BELIEVE THAT SHE IS BEING

TORTURED, QUITE THE CONTRARY

IS TRUE, FOR NO HARM WILL COME

TO THOSE BEING RAVISHED.

IN THE MORNING, SHE WILL BE

SET FREE, UNAWARE OF ANYTHING

EXCEPT THAT SHE HAS BEEN LOVED

AS NEVER BEFORE.

>> THE WHOLE THING ABOUT THE

MOVIE WAS-- AND I SAID TO THEM

"I'M AN ACTRESS, AND I SAY

NOT ONE WORD."

HE SAID, "OH, NO, THAT'S EVEN

MORE DIFFICULT," WHICH IT IS.

BECAUSE YOU REALLY HAVE TO

CONVEY YOUR FEELINGS, WHATEVER

THEY MAY BE, THROUGH YOUR EYES

AND YOUR ACTIONS.

AND I SAID, "I DON'T REALLY

WANNA KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

I KNOW IT'S GONNA BE WILD AND

SEXY, AND IT'S GONNA BE SCARY

PROBABLY, FOR ME AT CERTAIN

TIMES, BUT I DON'T

WANT TO KNOW."

JOHNNIE KEYES, HE WAS THE BLACK

GUY WITH THE SHARK TEETH

AROUND HIS NECK AND, UM

VERY ETHNIC LOOKING.

AND WHEN WE STARTED TO HAVE SEX

IT WAS THE KIND OF THING WHERE

I WAS, LIKE, TOTALLY FREAKED

OUT, I DIDN'T THINK I WAS GONNA

>> I FUCKED HER FOR A LONG TIME.

I FUCKED HER FOR 43 MINUTES

WITHOUT STOPPING. NOBODY DOES

THAT. THAT WAS A MARATHON FUCK.

WHERE IT TURNED FROM TERROR

TO PLEASURE, AND I REALLY

BELIEVE YOU CAN SEE THAT.

AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A TIME

THAT I FELT MYSELF SLIP ON TO

THE OTHER SIDE

IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

>> UH, MARILYN, SHE PASSED OUT

SHE FAINTED. AND I-- IN MY MIND

I SAID, "SHIT, I'M GOING TO

JAIL. I DONE KILLED THIS WHITE

WOMAN WITH MY DICK."

>> WELL, THE TRAPEZES

WERE A BIT MUCH.

IT'S A GOOD THING I WAS IN

PRETTY GOOD SHAPE, BECAUSE THERE

WAS A LOT OF STANDING AROUND

LITERALLY, ON TOP OF PEOPLE

AND THERE WAS TRAPEZES

AND WHATNOT. YOU HAD TO BE

A GYMNAST, DEFINITELY.

THE WAY THAT THE STORY OF--

WHEN "BEHIND THE GREEN DOOR"

AND "IVORY SOAP BOX" CAME OUT

I TOLD THE MITCHELL BROTHERS

THAT, "OH, BY THE WAY, I DID

THIS COMMERCIAL FOR PROCTER &

GAMBLE, UH, IVORY SOAP BOX."

AND THEY'RE SAYING, "WHAT?"

WE WALKED DOWN THE SOAP AISLES

WE LOOK, AND THERE IS MY MUG

ON ALL THESE BOXES, STARING DOWN

AT US, AND IT JUST HAPPENED TO

BE THE VERY SAME WEEK THAT

"BEHIND THE GREEN DOOR" OPENED

IN THE THEATERS.

I'M NOT GONNA SAY THAT I CREATED

PORNO CHIC, BUT I KNOW THAT I

WAS PART OF IT.

AND THAT WAS A VERY IMPORTANT

TIME IN OUR HISTORY WHERE PEOPLE

LIKE JOHNNY CARSON WERE WAITING

IN LINE TO SEE "DEEP THROAT."

IT WAS COUPLES, AND IT WAS

ALL DIFFERENT PEOPLE FROM

DIFFERENT WALKS OF LIFE GOING

TO SEE ADULT FILMS AND GETTING

>> YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT

I'M DEAD, AND YOU'RE TRYING TO

DECIDE WHETHER TO SEND ME UP TO

HEAVEN OR DOWN TO HELL.

>> I REALLY HONESTLY THOUGHT

NOBODY I KNEW-- MUCH LESS

ANYBODY I WAS RELATED TO--

WOULD EVER KNOW ABOUT IT.

I CERTAINLY DID NOT EXPECT

IT TO BECOME A HOUSEHOLD WORD.

>> "THE DEVIL IN MISS JONES"

WAS DEFINITELY AN ART MOVIE

AND I'M STILL NOT REALLY 100%

SURE EXACTLY WHAT THE STORY WAS.

BUT I STILL THINK IT WORKED.

>> CAN YOU HELP ME?

I-- I SEEMED TO HAVE LOST

MY WAY.

>> I'LL HELP YOU ALL I CAN

BUT YOU'RE NOT LOST.

>> THEN WHERE AM I?

>> YOU'RE HERE.

>> JERRY DAMIANO WAS

THE SWEETEST GUY I EVER MET.

HE LOOKED BACK OVER AT ME

AND HE SAYS, "CAN YOU COOK?"

I SAID, "YEAH."

HE SAID, "OKAY, YOU WANNA

COOK ON THE FILM?"

I SAID, "SURE."

HE SAID, "I GOT SOMEBODY COMING

IN TO READ THE PART OF THE DEVIL

IN THIS FILM I'M DOING.

WOULD YOU MIND READING

WITH HIM?"

AND I SAID, "SURE

I'D BE GLAD TO."

I'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT

I'VE BEEN TAUGHT.

DOESN'T THAT COUNT FOR ANYTHING?

AND HE LOOKS OVER AT ME

HE SAID, "WOULD YOU LIKE TO PLAY

MISS JONES?"

AND I SAID, "AND COOK?"

HOW ABOUT LUST?

>> LUST?

>> YES, LUST.

IT IS ONE OF THE SEVEN DEADLY

SINS, ISN'T IT?

>> HE OFFERED ME $100 A DAY TO

DO MISS JONES.

AND I SAID, "THAT SOUNDS GOOD."

SO I WAS MAKING 125 A DAY

INSTEAD OF JUST 100.

>> GEORGINA WAS AMAZING.

HER ACTING WAS FANTASTIC

AND THE WAY THAT SHE FUCKED

WAS SO PASSIONATE.

LIKE, SHE-- SHE BROUGHT ENERGY

TO ALL OF THE SCENES, AND IT

REALLY, REALLY SHOWED.

>> FOR THAT DAY, IT WAS A BIG

BUDGET FILM.

I THINK THEY WERE SPENDING

SOMETHING LIKE $25,000.

IT DIDN'T PUT MY KIDS THROUGH

COLLEGE, BUT IT CERTAINLY DID

OPEN UP AN INTERESTING CAN OF

WORMS FOR MY LIFE.

THAT SUICIDE SCENE-- EVERY ACTOR

AND ACTRESS IN THE WORLD

FROM THE BEGINNING OF TIME

WANTS TO PLAY A DEATH SCENE.

>> A SUICIDE AT THE BEGINNING

OF A PORN MOVIE REALLY SETS

THE TONE.

AND I THINK IT'S ALSO VERY

BRAVE TO START A MOVIE THAT'S

SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT SEX

WITH DEATH.

>> AH, HERMAN, HERMAN, THAT

BEAUTIFUL, SWEET, AFFECTIONATE

BOA, WHO COULD TURN AND LOOK AS

FIERCE AS YOU WANTED HIM TO.

WHAT AN ACTOR.

IT WASN'T PLANNED FOR HIM

TO BE IN THE FILM.

AND I'M TALKING TO THE SNAKE

ON THE BED, AND JERRY WALKS BY

AND SKIDS TO A HALT AND SAID

"YOU'RE A SNAKE WRANGLER."

HE SAID, "WOULD YOU DO

A SCENE WITH IT?"

MARKS SAYS, "$100 A DAY

SAME AS I GET."

SO HERMAN WAS IN THE FILM.

THE ANAL SCENE, WHICH EVERYONE

OF COURSE, ALWAYS ASKS ABOUT--

I DON'T KNOW-- IT'S-- IT'S A

HUGE FANTASY IN EVERYONE'S MIND

I THINK, TO-- TO GIVE IT A TRY.

AND WHEN IT GETS ALL BIG AND FAT

AND HARD AND SLIPPERY, AND YOU

COULD STICK IT IN MY ASS.

GETTING FUCKED IN THE ASS

IS JUST A COUPLE OF MINUTES OF--

YOU GET USED TO IT.

>> ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS

ABOUT THE SEX SCENES WAS

GEORGINA'S DIRTY TALK.

>> CAN YOU FEEL HIS PRICK?

CAN HE FEEL YOU?

CAN YOU FEEL HIM?

CAN YOU FEEL YOUR COCKS

TOGETHER?

CAN YOU, RUBBING AGAINST MY...

>> IT SO ADDED TO THE SEX SCENE.

THE DIRTY-- THE DIRTY TALK

WAS ONE OF THE HOTTEST THINGS

OF THE MOVIE FOR ME.

>> WHEN JERRY CALLED ME ABOUT

A YEAR AFTER WE DID THE FILM

AND SAID, "I WANT YOU TO GO TO

TORONTO FOR THIS GRAND

OPENING--"

IT WAS LAVISH, IT WAS ELEGANT

IT WAS COVERED BY A MILLION

CAMERAS ALL OVER THE ROOM, AND

SPLASHED ALL OVER THE PLACE.

AND...

I SAID, "WELL, SO MUCH FOR

ANIM-- ANONYMITY NOW.

I GUESS I-- I GUESS I'LL

HAVE TO TELL MY PARENTS WHAT

>> WHAT'S YOUR NAME?

>> MISTY BEETHOVEN.

>> IS THAT YOUR REAL NAME?

>> NO, IT'S NOT.

I THOUGHT IT WOULD SOUND

MORE IMPORTANT.

>> WHAT WAS IT BEFORE?

I WAS CAST IN "MISTY BEETHOVEN"

AND I FLEW TO NEW YORK

AND I MET HIM, AND HE TALKED TO

ME AND EVERYTHING AND TOLD ME

TO GO BACK HOME AND TO GET

EVERY BIT OF CLOTHING

EVERY PHOTOGRAPH THAT HAD EVER

BEEN TAKEN OF ME IN MY ENTIRE

LIFE, AND BRING IT ALL BACK

TO NEW YORK.

>> AS HYMAN MANDEL ONCE SAID

"NEVER LET THE FACT THAT THEY

ARE DOING IT WRONG STOP YOU

FROM DOING IT RIGHT."

>> WHO WAS HYMAN MANDEL?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

I READ THAT ON THE MEN'S ROOM

WALL AT THE NEW YORK

>> IT'S A TAKE ON GEORGE BERNARD

SHAW'S "PYGMALION" OR MODERN-DAY

"MY FAIR LADY" OR EVEN "SHE'S

ALL THAT," IF YOU'RE IN THE

BUT IT'S TAKING THIS WOMAN

WHO IS, LIKE, A DIME-STORE

HOOKER, BASICALLY, GIVING

HAND JOBS IN MOVIE THEATERS.

>> EXCUSE ME

MY GUM WAS IN FRONT OF YOU.

>> HOW'D YOU KNOW

THAT WAS YOURS?

>> FIVE SEATS IN.

FIVE'S MY LUCKY NUMBER.

YOU AMERICAN?

>> MOST OF THE TIME.

>> FIVE BUCKS FOR A HAND JOB.

I'LL MEET YOU OUTSIDE IN

TEN MINUTES.

>> TEN MINUTES?

>> MM-HMM. TEN MINUTES.

I HAVE TO MEET NAPOLEON.

>> NAPOLEON?

>> NAPOLEON.

HI. YOU'RE RIGHT ON TIME.

>> JAMIE GILLIS WAS A

SEXOLOGIST, AND HE WAS GOING

TO TRAIN ME TO BECOME THE

>> HE TAKES HER ON AS A PROJECT

WHERE HE FEELS HE CAN TURN THIS

LOWLY STREET GIRL INTO A

>> MY DEAR, YOU ARE THE ABSOLUTE

NADIR OF PASSION, THE MOST

UNEXCITING THING GOD HAS EVER

CREATED, A SEXUAL CIVIL

SERVICE WORKER.

NOBODY NEEDS TO READ MY LAST

BOOK MORE OR DESERVES TO BE IN

MY NEXT BOOK LESS THAN YOU.

>> IT'S FASCINATING, BECAUSE

YOU'RE WATCHING THIS VERY

INSECURE CONSTANCE MONEY

GO FROM THIS VERY UNATTRACTIVE

WIG AND MAKEUP TO THE END, WHERE

SHE'S BASICALLY TAKING ONE OF

THE MOST PRESTIGIOUS MEN IN TOWN

AND PUTTING A STRAP ON

AND FUCKING HIM WITH IT.

>> I WENT UP TO SEE A FELLOW

BY THE NAME OF RADLEY METZGER

WHO, UH, HIS NOM DE PORN

BECAME HENRY PARIS.

AND, UM, UH, INSTEAD OF BEING

UH, ON THE FILM, HE'S A BIT OF A

SVENGALI, AND I WOUND UP BEING

IN THE FILM.

YOU DON'T THINK I'M GONNA LET

HIM MAKE THAT PERILOUS JOURNEY

ALONE?

IT WAS QUITE AN EXPERIENCE

BECAUSE I WAS UNFAMILIAR WITH

WHAT BEHAVIOR AND PROTOCOL WAS

SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE, UH, ON AN

ADULT SET, SO IT WAS REALLY

BREAKING INTO SOMETHING THAT

BROKE ALL THE RULES.

>> ♪ WISH I HAD HER BESIDE ME ♪

>> IT'S FUNNY-- I WASN'T EVEN

AWARE-- IT WAS-- I WAS WATCHING

THE FILM, BUT I WAS ROOTING FOR

BOTH OF THEM TO BE TOGETHER

UNTIL THE ACT-- END MOMENT WHERE

SHE'S GIVING HIM A BLOW JOB

AND HE'S DEGRADING HER AS IF

SHE'S NOT IN THE ROOM, UH

PRETENDING THAT SHE'S NOT THERE

AND THEN THEY HAVE THIS MOMENT

WHERE THEY-- THEY COME TOGETHER.

IT'S JUST-- IT'S BEAUTIFUL.

>> YOU KNOW WHY MOST PEOPLE

HAVE SEXUAL PROBLEMS?

THEY TALK TOO GODDAMN MUCH!

>> JAMIE IS A VERY SWEET PERSON

ON ONE HAND, AND ON THE OTHER

HAND, IS A VERY DISTURBED

INDIVIDUAL.

JAMIE HAD HIS DEMONS.

>> YOU INSTANTLY JUST ARE SO

ENGAGED BY HIM.

IN FACT, WHEN I STARTED WATCHING

THE-- THE OPENING IN "MISTY

BEETHOVEN," I WASN'T EVEN AWARE

THAT JAMIE GILLIS WAS A PORN

PERFORMER.

I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO NOT

HAVE ANY SEX IN THE MOVIE

BECAUSE HE WAS SO GOOD.

YOU THINK TO YOURSELF, "HOW

COULD THIS GUY BE A PORN ACTOR?"

>> WORKING FOR RADLEY METZGER

WAS, UM-- I DON'T REALLY KNOW.

I-- I DON'T KNOW HOW TO REALLY

SAY IT-- IT COMES BACK TO THAT

THING, "IF YOU CAN'T SAY

ANYTHING NICE..."

>> OKAY, LET'S GET YOU

UNDRESSED.

NO, NO, NO, YOU DON'T DO IT

YOURSELF.

YOU DON'T KNOW HOW

FOR ONE THING.

>> HE TOLD ME HE DIDN'T THINK

I COULD ACT, AND THAT'S WHY HE

PUT ME THROUGH EVERYTHING.

THAT WAS HIS JUSTIFICATION.

>> I THINK MEN STINK.

>> WELL, THEY THINK YOU STINK.

IN FACT, IT'S ONE OF THE MOST

PERFECTLY BALANCED EQUATIONS

IN NATURE.

>> I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT MOVIE

WAS MADE MORE WITH BLOOD AND

SWEAT THAN MONEY.

HE REALLY DID

MAKE A MASTERPIECE.

I'VE HEARD SO MANY PEOPLE QUOTE

LINES FROM IT THAT HE MUST HAVE

BEEN DOING SOMETHING RIGHT.

>> IT HAS AN EXTREMELY STRONG

STORY WITH BEAUTIFUL IMAGERY.

>> AND, ALSO, I MEAN, LOOKING AT

IT ALL THESE YEARS LATER, IT WAS

ALSO-- I MEAN I LOOKED

PRETTY GOOD, TOO.

I THINK IT WAS ALSO THE FACT

THAT IT WAS MORE REALITY

THAN FANTASY.

>> THERE IS SO MUCH GOING ON

WITHIN THAT MOVIE THAT REALLY

SAYS, "THIS IS AN ARTISTIC

>> EXCUSE ME. UH, PARDON ME.

DO YOU MIND IF I BLOW

YOUR WAITER?

>> NOT AT ALL.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT ON EARTH

HAPPENED TO MINE.

>> BARBARA BROADCAST WAS A MOVIE

ABOUT A WOMAN WHO IS A SEX

WORKER WHO WROTE A BOOK.

IT'S TAKING PLACE AT A

RESTAURANT, AND PEOPLE ARE

GIVING BLOW JOBS AS IF

IT'S NO BIG DEAL.

NOBODY'S BATTING AN EYE

NOBODY'S LOOKING AT IT

PEOPLE ARE HAVING SEX ON TABLES.

AND IT WAS WHAT I FEEL A TRUE

ADULT SHOULD-- FILM SHOULD BE

WHERE THERE'S ABSOLUTELY ZERO

JUDGMENT ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT'S

GOING ON AROUND THEM.

>> YES, WE'LL HAVE YOUR

RESERVATION IN ABOUT FIVE

MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> YOU'RE QUITE WELCOME.

>> THERE'S A LOT OF JOKES IN

"BARBARA BROADCAST."

ONE OF THEM IS WHEN THE

MAITRE 'D, UM, HE RECEIVES A

BLOW JOB EVERY TIME SOMEBODY

DROPS A PLATE OR MESSES UP.

AND IT'S JUST SO CAVALIER IN

THAT HE JUST UNBUTTONS

HIS PANTS, AND THEY GET

DOWN ON THEIR KNEES.

>> WELL, BOBBY ASTER I REMEMBER

VERY WELL, BECAUSE HE'S THE VERY

FIRST PERSON THAT I EVER WORKED

>> ANNETTE HAVEN'S A BEAUTIFUL

WOMAN, AND IT LENDS ITSELF TO

THIS IDEA THAT YOU CAN BE

A BEAUTIFUL WOMAN

AND BE A SEXUAL WOMAN.

>> MY BROTHER'S KIND OF SHY

AND, WELL, HE'S A BIG, BIG FAN

OF YOURS.

WELL, WOULD YOU MIND GIVING HIM

AN AUTOGRAPH AND A LITTLE HEAD?

>> ANNETTE, UM, WAS JUST, UH

JUST ONE OF THE MOST FLAWLESSLY

BEAUTIFUL WOMAN I HAD EVER SEEN

LET ALONE I THINK IT WAS THE--

THE FIRST RED BUSH

THAT I HAD EVER SEEN.

SERIOUS AS A HEART ATTACK AND A

GREAT BUSINESSWOMAN

AND, UH, NUTTIER THAN A

FRUITCAKE AS WELL.

>> IN "BARBARA BROADCAST,"

METZGER'S USING THESE VERY WIDE

SHOTS WHERE YOU'RE SEEING SEXUAL

ACTIVITY HAPPENING WHILE THERE

IS DIALOGUE HAPPENING BETWEEN

THE MAIN CHARACTERS.

THERE ALSO WAS ANOTHER JOKE IN

"BARBARA BROADCAST" THAT I LOVED

WHERE I BELIEVE IT WAS THEY

ORDERED UP A NUMBER 17, WHICH

BASICALLY, WAS A MAN CAME ON

A SALAD.

>> HE DOES A WONDERFUL

CAFE AU LAIT.

>> IT'S CINEMATICALLY BEAUTIFUL

THE LOCATIONS, I MEAN, SHOOTING

AT, UH, A RESTAURANT.

I MEAN, THE KITCHEN SCENE WITH

C.J. LAING WITH ALL THE STEAM

AND THE POTS AND THE PANS AND

THE THIS AND THE THAT AND...

>> THEY TOOK A SCENE FROM "MISTY

BEETHOVEN," I UNDERSTAND, AS A

FILLER FOR THE GIGANTIC CLIM--

CLIMAX OF THE FILM.

>> SO WE HAVE THIS LITTLE PET

WORKING FOR US, AND TO SET HER

STRAIGHT, WE LET CURLY AT HER

TO ACT OUT ONE OF HIS FANTASIES.

JIMMY WASN'T VERY NICE TO ME

WHEN HE FIRST MET ME.

THE MAKEUP LADY

SHE KEPT PUTTING MORE HAIRPIECES

IN MY HAIR, MORE AND MORE

HAIRPIECES. SHE SAID, "WELL

I DON'T WANT HER BRAINS TO SPILL

AND JAMIE SAID, "WELL, IF IT'S

GONNA BE REALISTIC-- IF THEY'RE

GONNA COME OUT, THEY'RE GONNA

COME OUT.

STOP PUTTING THOSE HAIRPIECES

IN HER HAIR."

I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WAS

GOING ON.

>> JAMIE WOULD CALL ME WHENEVER

HE WAS IN KIND OF ONE BIND OR

ANOTHER.

HE SAYS, "MITCH, YOU'VE

GOTTA COME HERE RIGHT AWAY.

YOU'VE GOTTA COME RIGHT-- RIGHT

AWAY," AND I HEAR THIS, LIKE

WATER SOUND, LIKE

THIS FLUSHING SOUND.

HE'S LIKE, "HURRY, HURRY."

SO I THREW SOMETHING ON

AND I JUMPED IN A CAB.

I GET THERE, AND JAMIE WAS

FUCKING C.J. FROM BEHIND

BUT HAD HER HEAD IMMERSED

IN THE TOILET BOWL, AND SHE HAD

A NECKLACE ON, AND THE CATCH GOT

CAUGHT, AND SO HE HAD TO KEEP

FLUSHING THE TOILET IN ORDER FOR

HER TO GET AIR.

AND I GOT THE CATCH FROM

UNDERNEATH HER NECK, AND, UH

SHE COMES UP FOR AIR AND SAYS

>> I'LL GIVE YOU $10 IF YOU LET

ME LOOK AT YOUR TITS.

>> MR. GREENFIELD!

>> PLEASE, PLEASE, I JUST WANNA

LOOK AT YOUR PRETTY LITTLE TITS.

>> YOU KNOW WE'RE ALL

GOOD GIRLS.

>> THE DIRECTOR AT THE TIME--

I'D WORKED FOR HIM QUITE A FEW

TIMES-- I HELPED CAST

SOME PEOPLE IN THAT FILM.

I ALSO, UM, FOUND A WAY TO GET

ACCESS TO BROOKLYN COLLEGE.

AND WE KINDA KNEW WHEN THE

FACILITIES WERE OPEN.

WE-- IT WAS LIKE "DO WHAT YOU

CAN WHEN YOU CAN."

WE JUST LUCKED OUT.

WE DIDN'T GET CAUGHT DOING

ANYTHING.

>> I DON'T THINK I WAS EVER

ON SET WHEN BAMBI WOODS WAS

ON SET.

MAYBE I MET HER ONE TIME.

SHE WAS, FOR THAT TIME

INCREDIBLY HOT-LOOKING.

>> DEBBIE, WHAT ARE YOU

GONNA DO?

>> RAISE THE MONEY FAST.

>> WHEN DO YOU HAVE TO

LEAVE, DEBBIE?

>> IN TWO WEEKS.

>> BUT THAT'S NOT ENOUGH TIME

TO RAISE THE FARE.

>> THE WORST THING ABOUT

"DEBBIE DOES DALLAS" IS

R. BOLLA'S THE ONLY GUY THAT

GETS TO FUCK HER.

YOU WANNA FUCK THAT GIRL.

I MEAN, IT'S A COMPLETE TEASE.

IT'S A-- IT'S A COCK-TEASING

FILM, AND IT WORKED

ON THAT LEVEL.

>> SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT...

>> OH!

>> (WHISTLE BLOWS)

>> THE DALLAS COWBOYS STARTED

THE WHOLE CHEERLEADER CRAZE

AND IT REALLY WENT VIRAL.

IF YOU COULD USE THAT WORD

BACK THEN. AND SOMEBODY WAS

SMART ENOUGH TO CAPITALIZE ON

THAT. THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY IDEA

IT WOULD BLOW UP LIKE IT DID.

>> NO, MOM. YOU KNOW

I'M GONNA STAY WITH YOU.

>> OH, DARLING, I'M SO GLAD.

KIRDY STEVENS.

WE MET-- WE MET AT A RESTAURANT

IN, UM, WEST L.A., AND HE TOLD

ME IT WAS ABOUT INCEST, AND I

SAID, "NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT."

>> I LOVED "TABOO" AS A MOVIE.

IN FACT, THE ENDING WAS SO

DISTURBING AND BOTHERSOME TO ME

THAT SHE DIDN'T END UP WITH HER

SON, IT MADE ME QUESTION MY OWN

>> HE PERSISTED, AND THEN, UM

AGAIN, I-- I CAN ONLY DESCRIBE

THIS AS MY HIGHER SELF JUMPED IN

AND SAID, "DO IT."

BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S GOING TO

DO IT.

YOU-- IF YOU DO IT, YOU CAN

BRING CONSCIOUSNESS AND QUALITY

TO IT, SO DO IT.

>> WE ARE CENSORING OURSELVES

FROM DOING THINGS THAT ARE AS

FREE AND AS OPEN AS THEY WERE

35 YEARS AGO.

I MEAN THEY WERE MORE FREE

35 YEARS AGO.

>> I HATED THE SCRIPT THE FIRST

TIME I READ IT.

IT WAS-- IT WAS REALLY

DIFFICULT TO, UM-- TO READ ABOUT

INCEST IN SUCH A SORT OF

FLIPPANT, UM, MANNER.

BUT IT WAS SO WRONG.

>> LOOK, MA, I DON'T THINK ANY

LESS OF EITHER ONE OF US.

IT HAPPENED

AND I GOTTA TELL YA

I WANT IT TO HAPPEN AGAIN.

>> DON'T-- DON'T... NO, PAUL

DON'T. THE WORLD HAS

A DIRTY WORD FOR THIS.

>> THERE'S THESE-- THESE MOMENTS

THAT KIND OF MAKE YOU SAY

"WHOA!" THESE JARRING MOMENTS

LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN KAY

PARKER IS IN THE KITCHEN, AND

HER BREAST IS HANGING OUT OF HER

SHIRT, AND SHE'S STANDING THERE

WITH HER SON, AND IT'S ALMOST AS

IF THERE'S NO COVERING UP

AND IT-- IT'S JUST, AGAIN

SEX IS OUT THERE.

>> I MEAN I'M NOT EXACTLY

OVER-THE-HILL, YOU KNOW.

>> YOU'RE TELLING ME.

>> YOU SEE IT A LOT WITH KAY

PARKER'S FRIEND IN THE MOVIE

WHO IS HAVING ORGIES AND-- AND

DOESN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH--

SHE THINKS IT'S HOT IMAGINING

THAT HER SON WOULD BE

HAVING SEX WITH HER.

SHE REFERENCES THAT KAY PARKER

IS, YOU KNOW, HAS BEEN KIND OF

ASSAULTED BY HER BOSS.

AND SHE'S ON THE PHONE WITH HER

FRIEND, AND THE FRIEND SAYS...

>> WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE?

IS JERRY RAPING YOU?

>> CUT THAT OUT

YOU SON-OF- A-BITCH!

>> WHAT'S HE DOING?

DOES HE HAVE HIS COCK OUT?

>> BUT IT-- IT-- IT LENDS ITSELF

TO THIS IDEA THAT THERE'S LOTS

OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT PEOPLE

FIND SEXUALLY AROUSING, EVEN IF

IT IS NEC-- EVEN IF IT IS

FORBIDDEN.

>> WHENEVER I THINK ABOUT THE--

THE SCENE, THE SEDUCTION SCENE

WITH MIKE RANGER IN "TABOO,"

I-- I GET GOOSEFLESH--

I'M GETTING RIGHT NOW, AS I--

AS I GET READY TO TALK ABOUT IT

BECAUSE I DO REFER TO IT AS A

VERY, UM, SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE.

>> SHE'S JUST LEFT THIS ORGY

PARTY THAT SHE FELT EXTREMELY

UNCOMFORTABLE AND DID NOT

PARTICIPATE IN, AND SHE JUST

FINDS IT WITHIN HERSELF THAT

SHE MUST HAVE SEX

AND HE'S SAFE FOR HER.

HE IS SAFE.

>> (GROANING)

>> I LOST MYSELF IN THAT SCENE.

I WAS NOT THERE.

I SURRENDERED, IF YOU WILL, TO

THE PART, AND THE PART, OR THE

ROLE, THE MOTHER, JUST TOOK ME

UM, ON THIS TRIP.

>> IT WAS ALMOST LIKE, YES, THIS

IS THE NATURAL THING THAT SHOULD

HAPPEN BETWEEN MY MOTHER AND I.

THAT'S--

>> (INTERVIEWER) I'M APPALLED.

>> THERE'S NOTHING WRONGER

>> WHAT'LL IT BE, GENTS?

>> OH, THE MASTER WILL HAVE

A BEER, ANYTHING IMPORTED.

>> BOTTLE OF BUFFALO PISS

PLEASE.

>> THE AMERO BROTHERS MADE A BIG

BUDGET COMEDY. WE JUST HAD A LOT

OF FUN. I SWEAR, THE BURNING OF

ATLANTA SCENE OR WHATEVER WAS

THE FUNNIEST THING I'VE EVER

>> NOW, REMEMBER, PAY NO

ATTENTION TO ME WHEN I'M TALKING

TO YOU, JUST DO WHAT I SAY.

THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE LITTLE

SCENE I'D LIKE TO GET DONE

QUICKLY, BECAUSE WE ARE SHOOTING

THE BOMBING OF ATLANTA

THIS AFTERNOON.

>> (ALL SCREAMING)

>> IT WAS FUNNY AND QUIRKY.

IT WAS-- IT WAS VERY HORNY

IT HAD SO MANY SEX SCENES.

I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED.

>> I DID IT IN A BOAT ONCE

AND I HAD TO DO ALL THE ROWING.

>> R. BOLLA AND I ARE IN

WYOMING, WHERE WE MEET

THE CANE SISTERS.

I DECIDE TO TAKE THEM TO

NEW YORK WITH US, AND-- AND SHE

SAYS SOMETHING LIKE, "WHAT

YOU GOT AN AIRPLANE?"

>> ANYWAY, I'M TO BE QUEEN

OF THE FAIRIES, AND I'VE GOT

THIS TERRIFIC GOWN RIGGED UP.

>> A GOWN?

ARE YOU ONE OF THOSE

TRANSYLVANIANS?

>> SUSIE MANDELL WAS THE-- MY

FAVORITE OF THE TWO CHARACTERS.

>> CANDY, WHAT'S A FILM LOOP?

>> YOU'VE GOT ME.

>> THEY'RE LOOKING FOR 46 GIRLS

AND A MONKEY.

>> IT WAS REALLY A TRIBUTE TO

THE, UH, MGM MOVIES

ONLY WITH HARDCORE SEX.

>> FUCK.

>> THE RAPE SCENE WHERE THE

YANKEES CAME IN AND, LIKE

BANGED ALL THE CHICKS.

>> I WANT A CUM SHOT, OR NONE OF

YOU FAGGOTS GET PAID!

>> "BLONDE AMBITION" WAS PLAYING

IN NEW YORK-- THE R-RATED

VERSION AT ONE THEATER

AND THE X-RATED VERSION AT

>> IT'S SANDY, AM I RIGHT?

OH, BUT THERE IS AN AMAZING

RESEMBLANCE.

BUT NOW THAT I LOOK AT YOU

>> WELL, IS MY SISTER HERE

OR NOT?

>> "NEON NIGHTS" HAD A VERY

VERONICA HART PLAYED A MADAME

AND I WAS KIND OF HER BOY-TOY

>> I'M GONNA MAKE YOU SWEAT

BABY.

YOU'RE MY PRIVATE FUCKING

>> THE FILM WAS ACTUALLY

KIND OF FUCKED UP.

UM, THE DAUGHTER IS LISTENING TO

HER MOM AND HER MOM'S BOYFRIEND

AND THEN SHE STARTS

MASTURBATING WITH A HAIRBRUSH.

AND THEN SHE'S IN THE BATHROOM

AND HE COMES IN

AND HE'S TELLING HER TO SHUSH

AND TURN AROUND, AND HE'S

GRABBING ON HER

AND TOUCHING HER.

>> NO.

>> TURN AROUND, COME ON.

TURN AROUND, BABY.

THAT'S A GIRL.

THAT'S A GOOD GIRL.

>> WHEN JAKE TEAGUE MAKES

LYSA THATCHER ELEVATE, THEY DID

IT VERY WELL, LIKE, HE WAS

PUTTING HIS ARMS UNDERNEATH HER

BUTT AND OVER HER BOOBS AND

OVER HER VAGINA AND, LIKE, DOING

THE WHOLE CREEPY THING, AND THEN

I LOVE HOW HE GOT IN HER MIND.

HE WAS HAVING SEX WITH ANOTHER

WOMAN WHILE HE WAS INSIDE OF HER

MIND, AND SHE WAS FEELING

EVERYTHING THAT HIM AND THE

OTHER WOMAN WERE DOING.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS PRETTY

INTERESTING.

>> SO VERONICA, BACK HOME

IS TAKING A SHOWER, AND A LA

HITCHCOCK IN "PSYCHO," UH, I

ENTER-- BUT I HAD SOME FLOWERS--

AND I PULL BACK THE CURTAIN

AND SHE SCREAMS.

>> (SCREAMING)

♪♪ (STRINGS SHRIEKING)

>> GOTCHA!

OH, MAN, WERE YOU EVER GOIN'!

>> NO!

>> PEEING IN YOUR PANTS

YOU WERE SO SCARED.

>> YOU FUCK!

>> SHE'S ALL PISSED OFF AT THAT

AND THEN WE GO OFF IN THE

BEDROOM AND MAKE REALLY FRANTIC

AND HARD, HARD SEX.

>> I THOUGHT HE DID VERY WELL AT

KEEPING THE PLOT TOGETHER AND

MAKING IT AN INTERESTING MOVIE

THAT IS, NOT ONLY RISKY AND

DIFFERENT AND VERY INTERESTING

WITH THE MAGICIAN AND HER

HITCH-HIKING AND BEING IN LOVE

WITH HER MOTHER'S BOYFRIEND

>> I WANNA GIVE IT A TRY.

I DON'T WANNA LOOK BACK

WITH REGRETS.

YOU KNOW, IF ONLY I'D GONE

TO NEW YORK, I COULD'VE BEEN

>> THE PLOT OF "ROOMMATES" IS

SHE HAPPENS TO BE A HOOKER

AND SHE DECIDES TO GET OUT

OF THE BUSINESS.

AND HER APARTMENT'S TOO BIG

FOR HER, SO SHE CONSIGNS

TWO ROOMMATES TO COME

>> WELL, THERE YOU HAVE IT--

>> ONE WAS, UH, A BEAUTIFUL

GORGEOUS MODEL, WHO

UNFORTUNATELY, SEEMED TO HAVE

A DRUG PROBLEM AND GET IN

AND I PLAYED A COLLEGE STUDENT

WHO, ACTUALLY, I THINK

RAN AWAY FROM COLLEGE.

I WAS HAVING AN AFFAIR WITH MY

COLLEGE PROFESSOR, AND IT

FINALLY DAWNED ON ME THAT

HE DIDN'T LOVE ME AT ALL.

>> MY CHARACTER HAD SOME BAD

PEOPLE IN HER LIFE, AND, UH

STUFF HAPPENS BECAUSE I RUN

RAMPANT, AND I KIND OF

LEARN MY LESSON.

WHERE AM I?

>> YOU'RE IN QUEENS. WHERE THE

FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?

>> THE FAMOUS RAPE SCENE

FROM "ROOMMATES."

SO MUCH OF IT WAS INFERRED.

THE BACKS OF THE ACTORS WERE TO

THE CAMERA.

I WAS LAYING ON THE FLOOR.

>> RUB SOME ON HER FACE, SAL

RUB IT IN.

MAKE HER EAT IT.

>> AGAIN, YOU HEAR THE SOUNDS

YOU HEAR THEIR VOICES, YOU CAN

ONLY IMAGINE THE WORST POSSIBLE

THING IS HAPPENING TO ME.

JAMIE GILLIS COMES BURSTING IN

STARTS KNOCKING THE GUYS ASIDE

AND THEN JAMIE STARTS DOING

JAMIE GILLIS.

>> DID THEY HURT YOU?

>> NO.

>> LET ME SEE IF THEY HURT YOU.

THEY STUCK THE BOTTLE--

DID THEY HURT YOU WITH--

DID THEY HURT YOU WITH THE

BOTTLE WHEN THEY-- WHEN THEY

SHOVED IT IN?

>> HE'S NOT THERE TO HELP ME

HE'S THERE TO JERK OFF ON ME

YOU KNOW?

SICK, TWISTED JAMIE GILLIS.

>> HE WASN'T INTERESTED IN

DEGRADING ANYBODY, YOU KNOW?

CHUCK'S IDEA OF A GREAT TIME

WAS TO-- TO HAVE FUN.

>> (LAUGHING)

COME ON, YOU GUYS ARE ANIMALS.

TAKE A BREAK ALREADY.

IT DIDN'T FIT INTO ANY CATEGORY.

SO CHUCK REALLY WENT OUT

ON A LIMB TO MAKE THIS.

IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST MOVIES

WHERE EVERYBODY WASN'T RUNNING

AROUND, GOING "FUCK ME, FUCK ME

FUCK ME."

>> IN THE END OF THE 1970s

THEATRICAL PORN FILMS

BEGIN TO STRUGGLE.

OBSCENITY PROSECUTIONS ROSE

ZONING LAWS HAD FORCED ADULT

THEATERS INTO THE WORST

NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THE PORN CHIC

THAT FUELED TICKET SALES

DIED OUT.

BUT THERE WAS A NEW FRONTIER

OPENING FOR ADULT MOVIE

PRODUCERS-- THE VCR WAS ABOUT

TO REDEFINE THE PORN INDUSTRY

>> WHEN DID PEOPLE START

TO BUY VHS's?

WHEN WAS THAT STARTING TO BE

THE NORM VERSUS, UH

GOING TO THE THEATER?

>> IN THE MID-'70s, THE MACHINES

CAME OUT, AND PEOPLE THOUGHT

THIS WAS THE GREATEST INVENTION

AND THEY HAD TO HAVE ONE--

YOU HAD TO GO OUT.

BUT, LIKE YOU SAID, THEY WERE

EXPENSIVE. THEY WERE

$1,000 A MACHINE.

AND THE MOVIES THEMSELVES

WERE $95.

THEY WOULD HAVE PARTIES, THOUGH.

THEY WOULD GO IN AND CHIP IN

>> THERE WAS MORE WORK THAN--

THAN GIRLS IN THE BUSINESS.

LIKE, THERE WERE, LIKE, 12 OF US

REALLY IN THE BUSINESS

IT SEEMED, AND I THINK WE ALL

I MEAN, IT WAS JUST-- THE--

THE PRODUCERS COULDN'T GET

ENOUGH GIRLS.

>> SO WHAT WAS IT LIKE

SHOOTING-- WHAT WAS A DAY ONSET

LIKE BACK THEN?

>> UM, LET'S SEE, THERE WAS

USUALLY A SCRIPT, LIKE, A

20-PAGE SCRIPT, WHICH ALWAYS

IRRITATED ME, 'CAUSE I WAS NOT

GOOD AT MEMORIZING THINGS.

IT WAS ALWAYS SHOT AT, LIKE

A REALLY NICE HOUSE

THE LOCATION-- NOT ALWAYS, BUT

FOR THE MOST PART IT WAS, YOU

KNOW, SHOT IN REALLY NICE HOUSES

UP IN PORN VALLEY SOMEWHERE.

THEY ALWAYS HAD CATERING

HAIR, AND MAKEUP.

I MEAN, IT WAS LIKE-- IN A WEIRD

WAY, IT WAS KINDA LIKE BEING ON

A REAL MOVIE SET, ONLY WE WERE

NAKED HAVING SEX.

>> YOU COULD ACTUALLY SEE THE

PLAYBACK AT-- ON THE SET.

IT WAS LIKE A WHOLE NEW WORLD.

BUT THE VIDEO QUALITY IN THOSE

DAYS WAS NOT THE BEST.

BUT EVERYBODY WANTED TO DO IT

BECAUSE IT WAS CHEAP

IT WAS QUICK, IT WAS PAINLESS.

>> SO, AS A PERFORMER, WHAT...

DID THE CONSUMERS

SORT OF EXPECT FROM YOU?

LIKE, WERE YOU GUYS SHOOTING

A LOT OF CRAZY SEX ACTS?

>> NUDITY. NO.

>> OR DID THEY WANT YOU TO BE

A GOOD ACTRESS? DID THEY CARE?

DID THEY JUST WANNA SEE YOUR--

>> I THINK, IN 1984, THEY WERE

JUST HAPPY THAT THEY COULD WATCH

A FILM IN THEIR HOUSE OF A NAKED

GIRL SUCKING A GUY'S DICK.

LIKE, THERE WAS DEFINITELY NO

CRAZY SEX ACTS LIKE THERE ARE--

I MEAN, IT WAS KINDA LIKE, YOU

KNOW, THE TYPICAL THREE

POSITIONS, HEAD, HIM EATING ME

OUT, BUT IT WASN'T CRAZY SEX.

I REALLY THINK, BACK IN '84

PEOPLE WERE JUST SO HAPPY THAT

THEY COULD WATCH PEOPLE HAVE SEX

>> GOOD EVENING, MUTANTS

AND MUTETTES, AND WELCOME TO

>> THE STORYLINE IS THERE'S BEEN

THING AND, IN THE WAKE OF THAT

STILL STAND THE TOUCH OF ANOTHER

HUMAN BEING, AND THE REST OF

THEM CAN'T.

>> TRUST ME, FOLKS, I KNOW WHAT

YOU WANT, AND I KNOW WHAT IT

FEELS LIKE WHEN YOU DON'T

GET IT.

NEED IS MY FIX, LADIES AND

GENTLEMEN.

>> AND SO THE PEOPLE WHO CAN

TOUCH OTHER PEOPLE AND

THEREFORE, HAVE SEX ARE FORCED

TO STAGE THESE LIVE SEX SHOWS

FOR THE PEOPLE WHO CAN'T HAVE

SEX LIKE THAT.

IT'S, LIKE, WEIRD AND

EXPERIMENTAL, BUT THEN IT'S GOT

THIS VERY OBVIOUS METAPHOR

ABOUT PORNOGRAPHY AND ITS PLACE

IN THE WORLD.

>> LEAVING SO SOON, FRIEND?

FEELING A LITTLE QUEASY?

>> LIVE THEATER, ON THE OTHER

HAND, AND THE HISTORY OF LIVE

THEATER, YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF

WHERE "CAFE FLESH'S" REFERENCES

PROBABLY CAME FROM.

>> "CAFE FLESH" STANDS THE TEST

OF TIME BECAUSE IT'S A PORNO

ABOUT PORNO.

IT, IT VERY MUCH IS WHAT IT IS

AND THERE'S SOMETHING SO

WONDERFULLY HONEST ABOUT IT.

BUT THEN IT'S GOT ALL OF THE

OTHER LAYERS, SO IT REMAINS

INTERESTING.

I MEAN, YOU WATCH IT SIX OR

SEVEN TIMES, YOU'RE STILL GONNA

>> DOES IT EVER BOTHER YOU

FUCKING YOUR BEST FRIEND'S

WIFE?

>> (CHUCKLING) YOU'RE IN

>> "SCOUNDRELS" WAS THE FIRST

FILM TO WIN A BEST PICTURE AWARD

AND HOWARD SAID TO ME, CECIL

HOWARD, "YOU'RE NOT GONNA CRACK

ONE JOKE IN THIS.

YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE-- NO MUGGING

TO THE CAMERA.

YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE A HAM."

>> RON JEREMY SCARED ME AT THAT

TIME, UM...

IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY ODD

BECAUSE, BEFORE I HAD MET

RON JEREMY, I HADN'T HEARD

ANYTHING ABOUT HIM, UM, BUT HIS

HEADSHOT TO ME LOOKED LIKE

>> HOWARD WAS A TOUGH GUY.

CECIL HOWARD WAS TOUGH.

HE WANTED THINGS HIS WAY.

BUT I RESPECT THAT.

>> I REALLY ENJOYED WORKING WITH

CECIL HOWARD, AND HE WAS ONE OF

MY FAVORITE DIRECTORS

AND I WORKED FOR HIM

>> EVERYTHING IN THE MOVIE IS

VERY DARK LIT AND VERY DARK

IN GENERAL.

THE DRAMA OF THE MOVIE, I THINK

>> AH, I'M GONNA CHANGE.

>> THAT'LL BE THE DAY.

>> IT'S A FASCINATING

PSYCHODRAMA.

THROUGHOUT THE MOVIE

I'M IN CLOWN WHITE

TALKING ABOUT MY LIFE.

>> I'VE BEEN GOOD.

I'VE BEEN REAL GOOD.

FUCK IT, NOBODY TELLS THE TRUTH

ALL THE TIME.

>> EVERYBODY'S FUCKING EVERYBODY

IN THIS MOVIE, BUT IT'S NOT A

HAPPY-GO-LUCKY THING, YOU KNOW.

THE DOCTOR IS CHEATING ON HIS

UM, HIS WIFE WITH HIS SECRETARY.

AND, YOU KNOW, HIS SECRETARY'S

CHEATING ON HIM WITH HIS BEST

FRIEND WHO, I BELIEVE, HIS WIFE

IS ALSO SLEEPING WITH.

(SIGHING)

AND THEN THEY HAVE THIS TEENAGE

DAUGHTER WHO FEELS INVISIBLE.

>> MY PERFECT PARENTS.

THEY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING

ABOUT ME.

WHAT DO I LIKE?

I LIKE MAKING LOVE.

>> SO SHE'S TAKING IT OUT

BY BECOMING A WHORE

AND HAVING ALL THE SEX

IN THE WORLD THAT SHE CAN.

>> SHE'S THE GIRL AT THE CANDY

STORE ON THE CORNER.

THAT'S WHY I GET TO SEE HER

EVERY DAY, AND THEN FINALLY

I JUST TELL HER TO HOP IN.

SHE GETS IN MY CAR, AND WE'RE

GONNA ESCAPE AND RUN AWAY.

>> MY MOM ALWAYS TOLD ME

I SHOULD MARRY A DOCTOR.

(HORN HONKING)

(SCREAMING)

>> WE CRASH MY CAR AND DIE.

WHICH IS CERTAINLY A STATEMENT

AGAINST INFIDELITY, YOU KNOW?

>> EVERYBODY HAS A DARK SIDE

AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO HIDE

NO MATTER HOW PRETTY

YOUR SURROUNDINGS ARE.

AND THIS MOVIE REALLY DIGS INTO

EVERYBODY'S SEXUALLY DEVIANT

DARK SIDE.

>> NO ONE FILMS LIKE

THAT ANYMORE.

CECIL HOWARD, CHUCK VINCENT

RADLEY METZGER, HENRI PACHARD

ANTHONY SPINELLI ON THE WEST

COAST, THESE GUYS MADE FILMS

WHICH HAD SEX IN IT.

>> BY THE WAY, WHAT'S YOUR NAME?

>> ELIZABETH.

>> THAT'S A NICE NAME.

>> SPINELLI, HIS NAME WAS SAM

HE WAS THE BACKBONE

HE WAS MORE THAN, UH

A TALENTED DIRECTOR.

HE WAS MAKING THE BEST MOVIES.

AND HE BECAME A FRIEND

AND A MENTOR.

>> ANTHONY SPINELLI...

>> WHO IS...

>> HE WAS MY-- HE'S A DIRECTOR.

HE'S MY DAD.

IT WAS A GREAT TEAM.

HE WOULD USUALLY SAY

"I HAVE AN IDEA."

AND I'D GO, AND I'D WRITE THE

ROUGH DRAFT, AND WE, UH

SHOWED IT TO HIM, AND WE--

GREAT COLLABORATION

>> THE PLOT OF "NOTHING TO HIDE"

REALLY REMINDED ME OF

"OF MICE AND MEN."

AND I THINK THAT THAT'S

REALLY DIFFERENT

FOR A PORN MOVIE.

HOW TO BE A MAN.

AND "LOVE'S FOR SUCKERS,"

HE'S TEACHING ME.

AND I FALL IN LOVE

AND I WANNA MARRY.

>> HAVE YOU EVER LOVED SOMEBODY?

>> NO.

>> HAVE YOU EVER WANTED

TO LOVE SOMEBODY?

>> NO.

>> I THINK THAT THERE IS PARTS

OF THIS MOVIE THAT YOU CAN

JERK-OFF TO.

>> SLOW AND DEEP.

>> AS LONG AS YOU'RE INTO

JOHN LESLIE.

ONE OF THE SCENES IN THERE

HAS SOMETHING FOR MOST PEOPLE TO

JERK OFF TO.

>> OH, JACK!

>> I'M NOT SURE YOU CAN JERK OFF

TO THE RICHARD PACHECO SCENE.

>> NONE OF THE WOMEN THAT HAD

COME BY FIT WHAT SAM WANTED TO

COME OUT OF THAT CHARACTER.

>> AH!

WHY DON'T YOU WATCH WHERE

YOU'RE GOING?!

>> SHE WAS PERFECT.

>> THE SEX SCENE BETWEEN RICHARD

AND CHELSEA WAS MY FAVORITE.

IT WAS SO REAL.

>> I SORT OF GOT MY--

SOME SPITTLE ON MY FINGER AND

PLAYED WITH HER NIPPLE AND...

"NO, NO, NO

WHAT ARE YOU DOING?

LENNY WOULD NEVER DO THAT!"

>> SEE?

>> OH, IS THAT A RUBBER?

>> HOW'D YOU KNOW?

>> I SAW ONE IN

MY BROTHER'S DRAWER.

>> I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT IN

A PORN MOVIE BEFORE WHERE THEY

ACTUALLY STOP THE SEX TO PUT ON

A CONDOM, AND THEY TALK ABOUT

PUTTING ON THE CONDOM AND HOW

SHE'S NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE

AND IT JUST-- IT WAS SO

SO REAL. I LOVED IT.

>> THERE'S A GREAT AWKWARDNESS

AND PLAYFULNESS ABOUT WINNING

THIS, ABOUT PUTTING ON THE

CONDOM 'CAUSE IT'S PLAYED

PLAYED REALISTICALLY.

SPINELLI PLAYED THE OWNER

OF A HOT DOG STAND.

>> YOU DON'T FOOL ME.

YOU DON'T WANNA STOP BEING

A MOTHER AND A FATHER, RIGHT?

>> HE AND JOHN HAVE A LONG SCENE

WHERE THEY TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW

"YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS

IS WHAT IT IS."

YOU'RE GONNA LOSE THE KID.

WHEN AVN DID THEIR FIRST AWARDS

THEY GAVE ME BEST ACTOR FOR

"IRRESISTIBLE", AND THEY ALSO

GAVE ME BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR

FOR "NOTHING TO HIDE."

THAT PROBABLY WAS THE

>> FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, I'VE BEEN

WRITING STORIES, NOT FOR

PUBLICATION BUT FOR A VERY

CURIOUS MAN

A PRIVATE CLITEROTICA.

>> JANINE AND I BECAME BEST

FRIENDS WHEN WE WERE

18 AND 19 YEARS OLD.

AND I DON'T THINK EITHER OF US

REALLY KNEW WHAT TO BE

TOTALLY PREPARED FOR.

I THINK SHE'D DONE SOME...

SHE'D BEEN A "PENTHOUSE" PET SO

SHE'D DONE SOME "PENTHOUSE"

VIDEOS, BUT NOT EXACTLY THE

HARDCORE WE WERE ABOUT READY

TO GET INVOLVED IN.

>> WORKING WITH ANDREW BLAKE

HE'S, UM... HE'S VERY

UNDERSTATED, YOU KNOW, QUIET

GUY, BUT HIS WHEELS ARE ALWAYS

>> ANDREW BLAKE IS THE

QUINTESSENTIAL ARTIST.

I MEAN, HE'S QUIRKY.

HE'S INTERESTING.

SOMEWHAT INTROVERTED.

BIT OF A RECLUSE, UH, EXCEPT FOR

WHEN HE'S FILMING, AND I THINK

THAT'S KIND OF WHEN IT ALL

>> I HIRED THIS GUY TO MAKE

THESE-- HE MADE, LIKE

>> AND BOY, AT THE BEGINNING

THERE'S SOME MIGHTY HEFTY ONES.

THEY WERE QUITE BIG.

>> AND WHEN HE ARRIVED ON THE

SET, HE WAS BLOODY, AND HE HAD

CUT HIMSELF, AND HE NEEDED TO GO

TO THE HOSPITAL.

AND HE DROPPED OFF THE DILDOS

AND, YOU KNOW, I NEVER HEARD

FROM HIM AGAIN.

(CHUCKLING)

>> AND, OF COURSE, BY THE TIME

WE WERE DONE

WE WERE COMPLETELY NUMB.

>> I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT

THE ADULT INDUSTRY.

AT THAT TIME OF MAKING "HIDDEN

OBSESSIONS," I HAD NEVER

HEARD OF VIVID.

I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THE

BIG-BUDGET CONTRACT GIRLS

AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

>> I MEAN, BASICALLY, I'M ONE TO

FLY UNDER THE RADAR.

THAT WAS THE WRONG FIRST SCENE

TO EVER DO.

>> I'M THE LAST MAN STANDING

UH, STILL SHOOTING FILM.

WHEN I'M 80, AND I'M STILL

SHOOTING SOME 19-YEAR-OLD GIRL

AND I WANNA KEEL OVER, AND MY

BOLEX GOES INTO HER PUSSY.

THAT'S WHAT I ENVISION FOR

>> WELL, I GUESS THESE ARE FOR

IF YOU'RE LONELY AT NIGHT AND

UH, NEED SOMEONE TO TALK TO.

>> YEAH.

>> I TOOK THE IDEA OF "JUSTINE"

FROM A FRENCH FILM BY, UM

A DIRECTOR NAMED LOUIS MALLE.

IT'S ABOUT A FATHER WHO

FALLS FOR HIS SON'S GIRLFRIEND.

>> I SAID, I'VE SEEN IT.

AND HE SAID, "WHAT'D YOU THINK?"