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We are in Stanislaus County,
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the agricultural center
of the United States.
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These are almond orchards.
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How cool.
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Oh, that's so cool.
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And we're only, like,
a mile outside of town.
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Turlock in Stanislaus County--
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it is
a heavily agriculture area,
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and that helps
build the community.
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Our town is probably one
of the best all along the 99.
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You can kind of get
everything you need here.
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It's just a nice, quaint,
peaceful place to live.
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This is literally Americana,
with the tree-lined street
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that creates the little... canopy.
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And everything's orderly.
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I have to imagine
this is a really good,
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like, trick-or-treating town.
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I mean, it's beautiful here.
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But there's a problem,
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and it is drugs.
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And so we see a lot of folks
like this
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really struggling,
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just walking up and down
the main drag.
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That's not fun.
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Specifically in Turlock,
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there's a lot
of heroin and meth.
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You see it in the people
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that come and try
to sell stuff to us.
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They're trying to sell us
stolen stuff, or they're--
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You know, sometimes I think
they're stealing from us, too.
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The methamphetamine epidemic
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and the crimes
associated with it are--
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You name it.
Everything's open.
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It's open game.
It's the Wild West out here.
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Oh, and the police presence
is huge.
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We have seen
so much law enforcement
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just even in, like,
a five-block radius.
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The very things that make this
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a successful
agricultural community,
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you know, the way they can send
out food everywhere in America,
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it's the same reason
this has become a drug hub.
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And in this case,
drugs play a huge part.
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In 2012, a young man named
Korey Kauffman went missing,
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and a huge investigation
was launched.
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And it turned
into one of the longest,
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most expensive trials
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not only
in this county's history,
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but in the State of California.
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I'm Kevin Pickett.
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I'm Korey's stepfather.
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I've had him
since he was a year old,
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and I've grown to love him
more than even life itself.
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He loved life.
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You could hear him
singing in the shower.
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He'd come out of the bathroom,
you know, with a towel on.
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He'd slide across the floor
like Tom Cruise in that movie.
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He's always been a great kid,
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but he just got in with
the wrong people in this town.
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And I think a lot
of things happened to him
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because of this town.
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Korey had a problem with meth,
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and he started hanging around
this man named Mike Cooley.
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Mike was in prison
for a long time,
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which I didn't like.
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And I could feel it in my bones
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that the things that Mike did
with him wasn't always great.
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Mike was stealing stuff--
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tools, antiques,
and other things--
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you know, for meth.
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So, that day, my son got up
and did his thing
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and didn't come home
that night.
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And I said,
"Something's wrong.
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He would have called me
at least."
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And that's
when I called the cops,
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you know,
just trying to find my son.
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That's all I care about.
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How are you?
- Kevin, I'm Hilarie.
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How are you?
- Glad to meet you.
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It's so nice to meet you.
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I want to hear all
about Korey from you.
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That's Korey and his mom.
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He's a handsome kid.
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Yeah, he was. He was big
blue-eyed, blonde-haired.
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His laugh was just
one of a kind.
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This is what we call
his Billy Bob look.
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[laughing]
His Billy Bob look?
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- Yeah, his cowboy--
- Is that what you said?
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- Yeah.
- Wait, was he into cowboying?
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Oh, he loved cowboy.
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Here he is before
he came up missing.
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- Hmm.
- We're close.
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So what's the last time
that you see Korey?
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I seen him going
down the road.
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He was gonna take
a wheelbarrow back
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that he had borrowed.
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He didn't come home
the next day.
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So I went to Mike Cooley's
trying to find Korey,
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and his bike was there.
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So your son's bike
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is still sitting
at Mike Cooley's house?
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Yeah.
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Mike said, "Korey's not here."
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I said, "Well, where is he at?"
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He said, "Well, I told him not
to go over to that property,
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but I think he went
over there anyway."
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I said, "What property?"
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He said, "Over there,"
behind his house,
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because that's
where the lawyer
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Frank Carson's property was
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that Mike and Korey were
supposedly stealing stuff from.
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So what do you do after that?
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I went
to Frank Carson's property.
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Frank's stepdaughter
was there.
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Frank--he was on the phone
with his stepdaughter.
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And I talked
about going on the property
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and just looking to see
if there's evidence
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of my son
being over there somehow.
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And she tried to shut
the door in my face.
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And I put my foot
inside the door.
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Everybody would not talk to me.
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I was just asking questions
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and concerned
about certain things.
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Why would you do that?
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- Do you call law enforcement?
- Yep.
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And what did they say to you?
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That I'd have to wait
a certain amount of time
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before I could place
a missing-person report.
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So we waited 72 hours,
I believe.
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And that's
when I reported him missing.
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What do you do after that?
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I started making up flyers.
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Was this was one of them?
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How many of these do you think
you passed out?
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- 1,000...
- Really?
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Or more.
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But nothing else
was being done.
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And then the highway patrolman
next door to my house--
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talked to him about,
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what can I do to get something
going on about my son's case?
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I told him, like, "My son--
he ended up on a property
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over at Frank Carson's house."
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When I mentioned
Frank Carson's name,
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that's when it really
started escalating
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into this big investigation.
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Korey Kauffman was missing,
and no one heard about it.
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It was just another poor,
lost drug-addicted soul,
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and the cops didn't care particularly.
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No one was involved.
Nothing happened.
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And it wasn't until they looked
at Frank Carson
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that all of a sudden people
heard about Korey Kauffman.
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My name is Doug Maner.
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I've been a lawyer
for 40 years, including 22
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with the Stanislaus County
District Attorney's Office.
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And I watched Frank in action
when I was a prosecutor
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and he was a defense attorney
for many, many years.
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There's a million
Frank Carson stories
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about all the things
he'd done in the courthouse.
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He'd be in the grill
of these cops, these DAs,
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and saying, you know,
"Your case is bad."
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He'll be calling
them insulting names.
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He'll accuse them of sexual
deviancy, of dishonesty.
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I mean, he made people,
you know,
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viscerally, personally angry.
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If Frank wasn't the suspect,
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no one would have heard
about Korey Kauffman.
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We wouldn't be here today.
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Birgit Fladager is
the elected district attorney
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of Stanislaus County,
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and she is completely
in charge
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of something like
30, 35 attorneys
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and a budget of untold millions
of dollars.
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And she felt offended
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by the things that Frank did
to her attorneys.
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She felt protective of them.
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And she said,
"He's a bad man."
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So everybody paid attention
when Frank's name came up.
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Once you get them to take
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the missing-person case seriously,
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the one person that put
your son at Frank Carson's
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is Mike Cooley.
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Exactly.
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If my son did go over there,
it was 'cause of Mike Cooley,
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'cause they was apparently
thieving antiques
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and property from them.
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Michael Cooley
is a local thug.
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If you're from Turlock
and you're up to shenanigans
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or methamphetamine type
of activities,
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you're gonna know Mike Cooley.
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I'm Alvino.
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I work
for the Sheriff's Department
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for the last 28 years.
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Mike has stayed in this area
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since the beginning
of my career,
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you know, robbing, stealing
to get high kind of stuff.
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He did carry some weight
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because he was
a pretty muscular guy.
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And because of his connections
on the streets,
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he was well regarded
with the inmate population.
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Did they look
at Michael Cooley?
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Yeah.
They said they talked to him.
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And they said,
"Well, he was clean," you know?
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And then I saw that interview
with the "Turlock Journal."
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Korey was over there
earlier that day,
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and we was in my backyard
playing horseshoes.
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And...
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there was some pipe
on the other side of the fence
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on Frank's property.
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And... Korey seen it.
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He wanted to go
over there and get it.
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I told him that there were
some people over there,
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that we wasn't gonna go do it.
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And he gave me his word
he wasn't gonna go do it.
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He said he was gonna go
somewhere else
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and try to make the money.
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Apparently he lied to me.
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He went over that fence, and...
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And he never came back.
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We had a house in Turlock.
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There was a lot of drug
activity in the neighborhood,
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and they were stealing from us,
and we lost a lot of stuff.
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My name is Georgia DeFilippo.
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My husband is Frank Carson.
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By the early 2000s,
we had a booming law business.
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And we had
kind of this side hustle
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of selling antiques.
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And we'd go to swap meets
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and do things on weekends
that were not law-related.
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I had a vegetable garden
over there,
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and Frank loved old cars.
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And we loved to collect antiques.
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It just was a good life.
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And then along about 2011,
we were at a swap meet,
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and we saw a man.
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[scoffs] He was selling
some of our stuff.
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Frank recognized it.
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And he just flipped.
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So we went home,
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and that's when we discovered
the fence had been cut
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and that the containers
were open.
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Everything had been gone through.
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We made a couple reports to the
police, but the cops told me,
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you know, that we have to catch
them in the act.
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Then we decided
to put barbed wire
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on top of the fences,
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and we bought
a motion detector.
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But thieves kept coming back.
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That's when Mike Cooley
lived in the house
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on the other side
of the fence,
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and he just started
stealing everything.
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When I first met Frank
and he was over our house
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to see if we had any
of his stolen property,
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he threatened--
I mean, he kicked my door in.
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He kicked the gate in.
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He didn't have no respect
for nothing.
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And he said, "If I ever catch
you or any of your friends
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in my backyard"--
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and he goes,
"Especially you, Mr. Cooley"--
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he goes, "I will kill you."
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District attorney
and investigators
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interview Mr. Cooley
and came up with a theory
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that Korey Kauffman
was one of the thieves,
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and Frank caught him
and killed him.
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Now, no one knows he's dead.
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They just know he's not
around Turlock anymore.
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It's very hard to prosecute
a no-body homicide.
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So the cops
were very aggressive
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in developing evidence.
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Traditionally,
law enforcement
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does not use wiretaps
to investigate their cases,
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except in very rare
and limited circumstances.
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But in this case,
wiretaps were used a lot.
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The District Attorney's
Office,
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headed by Birgit Fladager,
created a task force.
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I've never seen it
in 30 years in this county,
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where
the District Attorney's Office
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would be the lead
investigative agency in a case.
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We were working
at the office,
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and an officer came in from
the Turlock Police Department.
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And he said,
"I have some questions
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regarding the disappearance
of Korey Kauffman."
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And Frank said, "Well,
if you have any questions,
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I want you
to put them in writing."
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And, you know, the officer
tried to ask a few.
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And he said,
"Well, I just need to know"--
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Frank would just say,
"Put them in writing.
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Put them in writing."
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So he left.
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It's 7:00.
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We're getting ready
to leave for the night.
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And I look up,
and these three guys
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had just walked
into our office--
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Investigator Bunch from the
District Attorney's Office,
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and he was accompanied
by a couple of detectives.
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And they said, "Well, Frank,
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we'd like
to ask you some questions."
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Get out!
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Get out!
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It was upsetting.
They wouldn't go.
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They just stood there
by the door.
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Frank said "leave"
a lot of times.
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Bunch was the one
that did the talking.
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"We just have a few questions.
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Why won't you answer
our questions?"
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Button pushing, you know?
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So Frank starts saying,
"He's threatened my wife."
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Get out!
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And it went on.
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Finally, they left.
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Kirk Bunch,
who was an investigator
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for the Stanislaus County
District Attorney's Office,
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and Frank--
they knew each other.
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Kirk just hated Frank.
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Frank had a long
and pretty controversial career
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here in Stanislaus County
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because he was the guy
defending the underdogs.
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But that also made him
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the nemesis
of law enforcement,
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who he'd battle
in the courtroom.
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Hello?
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- Hi, Martha. How are you?
- Oh, hi.
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It's so nice to meet you.
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I'd love to ask you about
what your relationship was
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00:15:04,593 --> 00:15:07,251
with Frank Carson
predating this case.
329
00:15:07,354 --> 00:15:09,736
Frank and I work together in
the public defender's office.
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Did you and Frank
have similar reputations?
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No, I don't think so.
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I wasn't as direct as Frank is.
[chuckles]
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- Was he a good yeller?
- Oh, he yelled.
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- [chuckles]
- He was a great yeller.
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But, mostly,
the problem was he won.
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And is that
what pissed people off?
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And that's
what really irritated
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the District Attorney's Office,
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that he would call them names,
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insult them at every turn,
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and then beat them.
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Korey Kauffman goes missing.
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Your friend and colleague
Frank Carson
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is very quickly pointed at.
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What was your understanding
of who was directing
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people in Frank's direction?
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00:15:46,462 --> 00:15:48,844
My understanding
from the get-go
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was that Kirk Bunch,
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a district attorney investigator,
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was the person
driving the train.
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On the witness stand,
when the cops got away
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from the cold, hard facts
and started shading things,
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Frank was very effective
in pointing that out.
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00:16:04,446 --> 00:16:06,586
Frank had some very intense,
355
00:16:06,689 --> 00:16:10,555
very hard-core
personal attacks on Kirk Bunch
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and, in effect, accused him
of being unhinged, unstable,
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00:16:14,387 --> 00:16:17,321
and lying
and fabricating evidence.
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00:16:17,424 --> 00:16:20,013
So you've got
the biggest haters in town
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in charge
of Frank's investigation.
360
00:16:22,740 --> 00:16:24,845
A lot of criminal defendants,
you know, they got the message,
361
00:16:24,949 --> 00:16:28,401
and they knew that, "If I had
some bad information on Carson,
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00:16:28,504 --> 00:16:31,369
I could use it
to get out from a case."
363
00:16:46,246 --> 00:16:49,042
Robert Woody is
from that drug-using community
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in Turlock,
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and he worked as a janitor
for the Atwal brothers,
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the owners
of Pop-N-Cork Liquor Store,
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known to us as Bobby and Dee.
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00:16:58,638 --> 00:17:02,262
They knew Frank because Frank
had represented Bobby
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in a bar-licensing issue
a few years earlier.
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00:17:04,782 --> 00:17:05,990
Okay.
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00:17:06,094 --> 00:17:07,578
And now the theory was
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that the Atwals were there
to provide security
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for Frank Carson
on his property,
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00:17:13,204 --> 00:17:15,862
and Korey Kauffman came on
to the property
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00:17:15,965 --> 00:17:18,451
and that the Atwals
captured him,
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00:17:18,554 --> 00:17:22,179
struggled with him,
and shot him.
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00:17:32,327 --> 00:17:35,295
So they're saying
that Woody helped the Atwals
378
00:17:35,399 --> 00:17:37,021
kill Korey Kauffman?
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Yes, but he denied
any involvement.
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00:17:40,335 --> 00:17:43,062
But they kept looking
for evidence
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00:17:43,165 --> 00:17:46,306
and now focused
on the two Atwal brothers
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00:17:46,410 --> 00:17:48,343
who ran
the Pop-N-Cork Liquor Store.
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00:18:18,476 --> 00:18:20,202
The more people you have,
the more chances there are
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that someone's
gonna start talking.
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00:18:21,721 --> 00:18:24,241
So they started
to wiretap everybody
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00:18:24,344 --> 00:18:26,208
who are friends of the Atwals.
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00:18:26,312 --> 00:18:28,521
The Pop-N-Cork--
it had a back room,
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00:18:28,624 --> 00:18:32,628
and it was a place where
law enforcement would hang out.
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00:18:32,732 --> 00:18:35,148
They could go into the back
room, have a couple of beers.
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00:18:35,252 --> 00:18:38,358
And when the Atwals,
who were being harassed,
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in their minds, by Kirk Bunch--
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00:18:40,671 --> 00:18:42,293
they called
their law enforcement friends
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00:18:42,397 --> 00:18:44,744
to find out what they
could do about it.
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00:19:01,278 --> 00:19:03,935
They developed
a lot of incidental evidence
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00:19:04,039 --> 00:19:06,973
on Officers Walter Wells,
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00:19:07,076 --> 00:19:09,458
Scott MacFarlan,
and Quintanar.
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00:19:09,562 --> 00:19:12,323
So how does Frank
fall into that?
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Basically,
the idea was that Frank
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had ordered the Atwals
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00:19:16,362 --> 00:19:18,709
to kill whoever came on
to his property.
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00:19:18,812 --> 00:19:21,470
From the very beginning,
they were looking at Frank.
402
00:19:21,574 --> 00:19:23,334
- For murder.
- For murder, right.
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00:19:23,438 --> 00:19:25,647
- Without a body.
- Without a body.
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00:19:25,750 --> 00:19:28,546
[dramatic music]
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00:19:28,650 --> 00:19:31,170
♪
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00:19:31,273 --> 00:19:33,033
26-year-old Korey Kauffman--
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00:19:33,137 --> 00:19:36,830
his body was found by hunters
in Stanislaus National Forest.
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00:19:38,729 --> 00:19:41,525
Investigators came knocking
on the door.
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00:19:41,628 --> 00:19:44,804
They told me they had found
Korey's body...
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00:19:44,907 --> 00:19:46,599
remains.
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00:19:46,702 --> 00:19:48,532
It hit me hard.
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00:19:48,635 --> 00:19:51,673
Thought about suicide, about
a lot of things at that time,
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00:19:51,776 --> 00:19:53,882
and it hurt me bad.
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00:20:28,572 --> 00:20:31,299
Robert Woody
told his girlfriend
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00:20:31,402 --> 00:20:33,508
that he was part
of killing Korey Kauffman.
416
00:20:33,611 --> 00:20:35,441
- Really?
- Yeah. He was arrested.
417
00:20:35,544 --> 00:20:37,684
He was interrogated for hours
and hours and hours.
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00:20:37,788 --> 00:20:39,652
- Come on, man.
- Listen to this.
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00:20:57,635 --> 00:21:00,638
Now, with the body
and Woody's testimony,
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00:21:00,742 --> 00:21:03,331
Birgit Fladager felt
that she had
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00:21:03,434 --> 00:21:05,678
all the ammunition she needed
to get a conviction.
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00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:20,969
No, no.
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00:21:23,972 --> 00:21:27,976
This has been
a long three-year investigation
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00:21:28,079 --> 00:21:31,497
into the death and homicide
of Korey Kauffman.
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00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,569
The task force has worked
together since 2012
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00:21:34,672 --> 00:21:36,536
in order to see
that justice is served,
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00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,711
culminating in today's arrests
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00:21:38,814 --> 00:21:41,334
and execution
of search warrants.
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00:21:41,438 --> 00:21:43,647
Police department!
Search warrant!
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00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:45,649
Carson is described
as the ringleader,
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00:21:45,752 --> 00:21:47,823
enlisting henchmen
and bringing associates
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00:21:47,927 --> 00:21:51,689
and three current and former
CHP officers into the scheme.
433
00:21:51,793 --> 00:21:54,830
They attacked my house
from all angles,
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00:21:54,934 --> 00:21:57,246
even going
over the backyard fences.
435
00:21:57,350 --> 00:22:00,802
This vehicle came around the
corner with screeching tires...
436
00:22:00,905 --> 00:22:01,975
[dog barking]
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00:22:02,079 --> 00:22:03,632
Pointing their gun at me.
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00:22:03,736 --> 00:22:06,325
They arrested three cops,
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00:22:06,428 --> 00:22:08,603
the two Atwals
who ran the liquor store.
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00:22:14,298 --> 00:22:15,679
Come here!
441
00:22:15,782 --> 00:22:18,923
They arrested Frank's wife,
his daughter.
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00:22:19,027 --> 00:22:22,789
I got the full treatment
and the red-striped suit
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00:22:22,893 --> 00:22:26,448
and a little cavity search,
and off I go to B-max,
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00:22:26,552 --> 00:22:27,967
maximum security.
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00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:30,590
It took a lot of work,
it took a lot of time,
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00:22:30,694 --> 00:22:33,455
and it has finally
come together.
447
00:22:35,526 --> 00:22:37,356
I couldn't believe it
when it happened.
448
00:22:37,459 --> 00:22:39,323
In fact, this is
the arrest warrant.
449
00:22:39,427 --> 00:22:41,843
- This entire thing?
- Yes.
450
00:22:41,946 --> 00:22:44,017
It's 324 pages.
451
00:22:44,121 --> 00:22:46,951
How did you get involved
in this case?
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00:22:47,055 --> 00:22:49,471
The Atwals were arrested
on Friday.
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00:22:49,575 --> 00:22:52,129
And on Saturday,
I became Bobby's attorney.
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00:22:52,232 --> 00:22:55,028
[dramatic music]
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00:22:55,132 --> 00:23:00,413
♪
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00:23:00,517 --> 00:23:02,967
Day one
of the preliminary hearing,
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00:23:03,071 --> 00:23:06,557
the state presented
text messages and a wiretap
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00:23:06,661 --> 00:23:08,801
on Georgia and her daughter.
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00:23:08,904 --> 00:23:11,459
They had subpoenaed
the text messages,
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00:23:11,562 --> 00:23:14,220
discussions between Chrissy and Georgia,
461
00:23:14,323 --> 00:23:16,049
about security
at the property.
462
00:23:16,153 --> 00:23:17,499
Uh-huh.
463
00:23:17,603 --> 00:23:19,259
Forensic analyst
told the court
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00:23:19,363 --> 00:23:21,020
he combed through more
than 10,000 text messages
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00:23:21,123 --> 00:23:22,711
from a backup file
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00:23:22,815 --> 00:23:24,575
on a laptop belonging
to Carson's stepdaughter,
467
00:23:24,679 --> 00:23:26,094
Christina DeFilippo,
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00:23:26,197 --> 00:23:27,613
that prosecutors insist
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00:23:27,716 --> 00:23:29,753
show the family was upset
about the thefts
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00:23:29,856 --> 00:23:31,720
and took measures
into their own hands.
471
00:23:31,824 --> 00:23:33,860
Prosecutor is
Marlisa Ferreira.
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00:23:33,964 --> 00:23:37,761
She starts out the prelim
with the text messages,
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00:23:37,864 --> 00:23:39,728
where I asked Chrissy
to go out into the field
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00:23:39,832 --> 00:23:41,489
and see if anybody's there,
you know?
475
00:23:41,592 --> 00:23:42,869
In one of the messages,
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00:23:42,973 --> 00:23:44,526
Carson's wife,
Georgia DeFilippo,
477
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:46,632
writes her daughter...
478
00:23:50,187 --> 00:23:51,982
In another, she writes...
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00:23:54,191 --> 00:23:56,089
Christina said,
"I'm getting freaked out."
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00:23:56,193 --> 00:23:58,126
And I said, "Don't worry,
Frank's coming down later."
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00:23:58,229 --> 00:24:00,887
And then I just kind of added,
"And he's got his gun."
482
00:24:00,991 --> 00:24:02,682
I just thought it would make
Chrissy feel better,
483
00:24:02,786 --> 00:24:06,065
but it turned out
to be a pretty big deal.
484
00:24:06,168 --> 00:24:07,998
[line trilling]
485
00:24:11,311 --> 00:24:13,728
Christina and I had
a phone conversation one day.
486
00:24:13,831 --> 00:24:16,731
She was being woken up
about 7:00, 7:30 in the morning
487
00:24:16,834 --> 00:24:19,803
by two dueling lawnmowers
next door.
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00:24:19,906 --> 00:24:21,701
And she pounded on the window,
and it broke,
489
00:24:21,805 --> 00:24:23,082
and she just was in tears.
490
00:24:33,679 --> 00:24:35,853
They tried to use that
as proof
491
00:24:35,957 --> 00:24:37,717
that Georgia
was willing to kill.
492
00:24:37,821 --> 00:24:40,271
- That's insane.
- It was insane.
493
00:24:40,375 --> 00:24:43,482
They can take such innocent
things out of context,
494
00:24:43,585 --> 00:24:45,587
and suddenly they make it
into something
495
00:24:45,691 --> 00:24:48,659
that is not what you intended.
496
00:24:48,763 --> 00:24:52,145
The state's theory
was that the Atwal brothers
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00:24:52,249 --> 00:24:53,871
killed Korey Kauffman.
498
00:24:53,975 --> 00:24:55,770
Had the Atwal brothers
ever been accused
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00:24:55,873 --> 00:24:57,979
of a violent crime
or murder before?
500
00:24:58,082 --> 00:25:01,638
No. The Atwals didn't have
any kind of a record.
501
00:25:01,741 --> 00:25:03,950
So then what did
the prosecution present?
502
00:25:04,054 --> 00:25:06,125
Their theory
was that Dee Atwal
503
00:25:06,228 --> 00:25:08,955
shot Korey Kauffman
on Frank's property.
504
00:25:09,059 --> 00:25:13,097
Then Dee Atwal and Bobby Atwal
and Robert Woody
505
00:25:13,201 --> 00:25:15,962
loaded Korey Kauffman's body
into a truck
506
00:25:16,066 --> 00:25:19,276
and took it to the field
next to the Pop-N-Cork
507
00:25:19,379 --> 00:25:20,622
in the middle of Turlock,
508
00:25:20,726 --> 00:25:23,004
where they buried it
for a month
509
00:25:23,107 --> 00:25:24,488
and then unburied it
510
00:25:24,592 --> 00:25:27,664
and moved it
to up in the mountains.
511
00:25:27,767 --> 00:25:30,839
So that theory
that the state presented
512
00:25:30,943 --> 00:25:34,187
is a minefield
of forensic evidence.
513
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,715
The state's claim
that he was beat and shot,
514
00:25:44,819 --> 00:25:46,061
there would have been blood
on Frank's property.
515
00:25:46,165 --> 00:25:48,201
Right, there would have been
blood on their property.
516
00:25:48,305 --> 00:25:50,341
There would have been some
evidence of Korey's presence.
517
00:25:50,445 --> 00:25:51,895
There was nothing there.
518
00:25:51,998 --> 00:25:54,345
There would have been something
at the Pop-N-Cork.
519
00:25:54,449 --> 00:25:56,140
Like, a cadaver dog would
have picked up on something.
520
00:25:56,244 --> 00:25:57,728
That a cadaver dog--
and they used dogs.
521
00:25:57,832 --> 00:25:59,247
They brought dogs
in everywhere.
522
00:26:04,045 --> 00:26:06,357
They took soil samples.
They dug it up.
523
00:26:06,461 --> 00:26:07,945
And, in fact, you could see
524
00:26:08,049 --> 00:26:10,120
where they claim
the body was...
525
00:26:10,223 --> 00:26:11,431
- Mm-hmm.
- There's a pipe
526
00:26:11,535 --> 00:26:13,641
running through it
that's only six inches
527
00:26:13,744 --> 00:26:15,746
below the ground surface,
528
00:26:15,850 --> 00:26:19,578
so there's no way for a body
to be in that space.
529
00:26:19,681 --> 00:26:21,545
So is there
any forensic evidence
530
00:26:21,649 --> 00:26:23,167
in Frank's backyard?
531
00:26:23,271 --> 00:26:25,998
There's no forensic evidence
in Frank's yard.
532
00:26:26,101 --> 00:26:28,932
There's no forensic evidence
in the Pop-N-Cork yard.
533
00:26:29,035 --> 00:26:31,348
There was no DNA.
There was no ballistics.
534
00:26:31,451 --> 00:26:32,832
There was nothing.
535
00:26:32,936 --> 00:26:36,180
How in the world
did this prelim
536
00:26:36,284 --> 00:26:38,527
that did not include
any forensic evidence
537
00:26:38,631 --> 00:26:40,978
or physical evidence--
538
00:26:41,082 --> 00:26:44,568
how was this drawn out
over 18 months?
539
00:26:44,672 --> 00:26:47,847
[scoffs]
You really had to be there.
540
00:26:47,951 --> 00:26:50,022
Walter Wells faces
a murder charge.
541
00:26:50,125 --> 00:26:52,887
Scott MacFarlan and
Eduardo Quintanar Jr.
542
00:26:52,990 --> 00:26:56,062
face conspiracy
and accessory charges.
543
00:26:56,166 --> 00:26:59,134
I did wonder how they landed
on Walter Wells,
544
00:26:59,238 --> 00:27:01,412
out of all the officers
that hung out
545
00:27:01,516 --> 00:27:03,207
at the Pop-N-Cork, for murder.
546
00:27:03,311 --> 00:27:06,003
They never connected Walter
with Frank in any way,
547
00:27:06,107 --> 00:27:09,593
but Walter Wells
was alleged to have had
548
00:27:09,697 --> 00:27:11,250
Korey Kauffman's phone,
549
00:27:11,353 --> 00:27:13,735
and therefore
must have had something to do
550
00:27:13,839 --> 00:27:15,288
with burying him.
551
00:27:15,392 --> 00:27:21,053
♪
552
00:27:21,156 --> 00:27:22,675
"Korey Kauffman's
cell phone" piece of it
553
00:27:22,779 --> 00:27:24,194
is very confusing.
554
00:27:24,297 --> 00:27:26,437
Can you tell me
about this cell-phone expert?
555
00:27:26,541 --> 00:27:27,646
The cell-phone expert--
556
00:27:27,749 --> 00:27:30,234
he spent hours
and hours and hours
557
00:27:30,338 --> 00:27:33,134
going over these phone records
of all the defendants...
558
00:27:33,237 --> 00:27:34,687
Okay.
559
00:27:34,791 --> 00:27:37,517
Looking for where
everybody's cell phones were
560
00:27:37,621 --> 00:27:39,658
at various times
on the timeline.
561
00:27:39,761 --> 00:27:42,626
- Mm-hmm.
- So Walter Wells' phone
562
00:27:42,730 --> 00:27:45,146
was pinging off a cell tower
563
00:27:45,249 --> 00:27:48,977
in the same vicinity
as Korey Kauffman's phone
564
00:27:49,081 --> 00:27:51,497
in the two weeks
after Korey's disappearance
565
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,949
where his phone
was still alive.
566
00:27:55,052 --> 00:27:56,778
They relied
on cell-phone evidence
567
00:27:56,882 --> 00:27:59,263
to link me to the murder
of Korey Kauffman,
568
00:27:59,367 --> 00:28:02,922
but I found out that the
cell-phone expert's testimony
569
00:28:03,026 --> 00:28:04,959
was inherently misleading.
570
00:28:05,062 --> 00:28:07,237
They said
that he was carrying around
571
00:28:07,340 --> 00:28:09,618
the dead guy's phone
in his pocket
572
00:28:09,722 --> 00:28:11,241
to throw the cops off,
573
00:28:11,344 --> 00:28:13,450
and the evidence
of that is it pinged
574
00:28:13,553 --> 00:28:14,762
different towers in Turlock.
575
00:28:14,865 --> 00:28:16,902
Well, Turlock is a small town,
576
00:28:17,005 --> 00:28:19,352
and there are not
that many cell towers there.
577
00:28:19,456 --> 00:28:22,873
And anybody who lives
in Turlock, who moves around,
578
00:28:22,977 --> 00:28:24,841
is going to have
their cell phone ping off
579
00:28:24,944 --> 00:28:28,534
the same towers
that Wells's phone pinged off.
580
00:28:28,637 --> 00:28:31,951
Walter was also patrolling
that area on duty,
581
00:28:32,055 --> 00:28:33,988
so there's no surprise
582
00:28:34,091 --> 00:28:37,198
that Korey's phone
was in the same sector
583
00:28:37,301 --> 00:28:38,440
as Walter's phone.
584
00:28:38,544 --> 00:28:40,442
But a big deal
was made of this?
585
00:28:40,546 --> 00:28:41,961
Exactly.
586
00:28:42,065 --> 00:28:43,963
If you're really gonna
kill this guy,
587
00:28:44,067 --> 00:28:46,241
you're gonna walk around
with his phone in your pocket,
588
00:28:46,345 --> 00:28:47,484
you know?
589
00:28:47,587 --> 00:28:48,692
Who does that?
590
00:28:48,796 --> 00:28:50,729
But that was an example
591
00:28:50,832 --> 00:28:53,421
of the depths
that the prosecution task force
592
00:28:53,524 --> 00:28:56,113
would go
to convict Frank Carson.
593
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,636
The preliminary hearing
against Frank Carson
594
00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:03,500
was one for the books.
595
00:29:03,603 --> 00:29:07,504
It was, I think, the longest
in the history of California--
596
00:29:07,607 --> 00:29:09,678
a year and a half or so.
597
00:29:09,782 --> 00:29:13,924
During the prelim, I was just
waiting for that smoking gun.
598
00:29:14,028 --> 00:29:16,858
What is it exactly
that we did wrong?
599
00:29:16,962 --> 00:29:18,964
And at no time
during the whole prelim
600
00:29:19,067 --> 00:29:20,931
did they establish that.
601
00:29:21,035 --> 00:29:23,658
They had, what,
100, 150 witnesses
602
00:29:23,762 --> 00:29:26,454
to develop as much evidence
as they could.
603
00:29:26,557 --> 00:29:29,871
Witnesses, jailhouse
informants, wiretaps,
604
00:29:29,975 --> 00:29:33,323
and they kept throwing
that crap up against the wall
605
00:29:33,426 --> 00:29:34,738
until something sticks.
606
00:29:34,842 --> 00:29:37,396
And that's why the prelim--
it took so long.
607
00:29:37,499 --> 00:29:40,433
Meanwhile, Frank
and the other defendants,
608
00:29:40,537 --> 00:29:41,814
they're locked up in jail,
609
00:29:41,918 --> 00:29:44,265
and their lives
are falling apart.
610
00:29:44,368 --> 00:29:47,993
It took a toll on Frank, and
his health started to suffer.
611
00:29:48,096 --> 00:29:49,960
The way they had him
housed in the jail,
612
00:29:50,064 --> 00:29:52,652
they kept it extra cold,
and the lights don't go off.
613
00:29:52,756 --> 00:29:54,240
Well, how do you sleep at night
614
00:29:54,344 --> 00:29:56,104
when you're freezing
and the lights don't go off
615
00:29:56,208 --> 00:29:57,899
and you're facing
the death penalty?
616
00:29:58,003 --> 00:29:59,314
Being in jail was horrible.
617
00:29:59,418 --> 00:30:01,420
It was extremely
difficult for me
618
00:30:01,523 --> 00:30:02,973
to get up many days,
619
00:30:03,077 --> 00:30:06,701
just find a willingness
to want to push through.
620
00:30:06,805 --> 00:30:08,047
There was a lot
of screaming at night.
621
00:30:08,151 --> 00:30:09,980
It was cold.
It was damp.
622
00:30:10,084 --> 00:30:12,362
Sewage would leak
through there.
623
00:30:23,856 --> 00:30:25,789
The longevity of this trial
624
00:30:25,893 --> 00:30:27,273
feels very much
like that saying,
625
00:30:27,377 --> 00:30:28,723
like, "the cruelty
is the point."
626
00:30:28,827 --> 00:30:30,173
Exactly.
627
00:30:30,276 --> 00:30:32,002
You know, the longer
you can make it last,
628
00:30:32,106 --> 00:30:34,867
the longer Frank
is locked up in county jail.
629
00:30:34,971 --> 00:30:37,145
Did it feel that way
to you guys?
630
00:30:37,249 --> 00:30:40,010
They weren't in any hurry to
finish the preliminary hearing.
631
00:30:40,114 --> 00:30:42,668
They were pushing to get
every defendant
632
00:30:42,771 --> 00:30:45,222
to turn on Frank.
633
00:30:45,326 --> 00:30:48,087
They were waiting for us
to turn on each other,
634
00:30:48,191 --> 00:30:51,125
that one person was gonna rat
the other person out.
635
00:30:51,228 --> 00:30:53,230
They were trying to make
my life
636
00:30:53,334 --> 00:30:55,957
as miserable as possible
while I was in jail
637
00:30:56,061 --> 00:30:58,028
so that I would come forth
with information
638
00:30:58,132 --> 00:31:00,341
about the Atwal brothers
and Frank Carson.
639
00:31:15,114 --> 00:31:17,047
Do any of the defendants
ever turn on Frank?
640
00:31:17,151 --> 00:31:19,325
No. And, in fact,
Frank at one point
641
00:31:19,429 --> 00:31:22,190
said he'd plead guilty
to get them off.
642
00:31:22,294 --> 00:31:24,779
There was a moment
where Frank Carson
643
00:31:24,883 --> 00:31:26,746
was extremely upset,
644
00:31:26,850 --> 00:31:28,956
and he told us
645
00:31:29,059 --> 00:31:32,338
that he would be willing
to just take the blame,
646
00:31:32,442 --> 00:31:35,134
fall on the sword
for everyone.
647
00:31:44,592 --> 00:31:48,078
We all agreed--we were not
going to allow him
648
00:31:48,182 --> 00:31:50,391
to confess to something
that he didn't do.
649
00:31:55,396 --> 00:31:57,570
♪
650
00:31:57,674 --> 00:31:59,572
The preliminary hearing
goes and goes and goes,
651
00:31:59,676 --> 00:32:01,747
and we're getting
new information all the time.
652
00:32:01,850 --> 00:32:03,093
It's dribbling in.
653
00:32:03,197 --> 00:32:04,853
So we felt
the district attorney
654
00:32:04,957 --> 00:32:06,338
was withholding discovery.
655
00:32:06,441 --> 00:32:08,823
At what point is
the District Attorney's Office
656
00:32:08,927 --> 00:32:10,031
supposed to turn over
657
00:32:10,135 --> 00:32:12,102
everything they have
to you guys?
658
00:32:12,206 --> 00:32:15,692
We should have had all
of that the day we started.
659
00:32:15,795 --> 00:32:17,590
We didn't.
660
00:32:17,694 --> 00:32:20,248
About 14 months into it,
all of a sudden,
661
00:32:20,352 --> 00:32:22,664
Marlisa Ferreira
announced to the court
662
00:32:22,768 --> 00:32:25,874
that there were 164 tapes
that we didn't know existed.
663
00:32:25,978 --> 00:32:27,152
Okay.
664
00:32:27,255 --> 00:32:29,223
Marlisa told that judge
665
00:32:29,326 --> 00:32:31,156
the day before that she
didn't have anything else.
666
00:32:31,259 --> 00:32:32,364
And then the next day,
667
00:32:32,467 --> 00:32:34,814
she comes in
with these big stacks
668
00:32:34,918 --> 00:32:37,369
of all these interviews
and stuff.
669
00:32:37,472 --> 00:32:40,061
And the judge looked at her
and said, "What's that?"
670
00:32:40,165 --> 00:32:42,270
Ms. Ferreira rolls
into court one day,
671
00:32:42,374 --> 00:32:45,135
and she says, "Oh, yeah,
I've got 70 disks of evidence
672
00:32:45,239 --> 00:32:47,275
that I just never got around
to giving to you."
673
00:32:47,379 --> 00:32:49,898
And that's when the judge
said, "No."
674
00:32:50,002 --> 00:32:53,281
And she was angry
because this is a violation.
675
00:32:53,385 --> 00:32:56,353
And, finally, this judge
decided that the evidence
676
00:32:56,457 --> 00:32:58,493
of the district attorney's
malfeasance
677
00:32:58,597 --> 00:33:01,151
was so strong
that she had to let Frank
678
00:33:01,255 --> 00:33:03,602
and the other defendants
out of custody.
679
00:33:03,705 --> 00:33:06,467
[cheers and applause]
680
00:33:08,745 --> 00:33:10,609
We love you, Frank!
681
00:33:10,712 --> 00:33:12,059
It was wonderful.
682
00:33:12,162 --> 00:33:14,095
It was such a--it was
like a Christmas present.
683
00:33:24,726 --> 00:33:26,901
First thing you want to do?
First thing you want to do?
684
00:33:27,005 --> 00:33:29,041
- Oh...
- Have dinner.
685
00:33:29,145 --> 00:33:31,630
- Have dinner with my wife.
- Yeah.
686
00:33:31,733 --> 00:33:34,736
You know, after all
the delays in discovery,
687
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,186
after all
the fabricated evidence,
688
00:33:36,290 --> 00:33:38,602
even after all that,
689
00:33:38,706 --> 00:33:41,674
the judge found that the case
should go forward to trial.
690
00:33:41,778 --> 00:33:43,193
I was shocked.
691
00:33:43,297 --> 00:33:45,023
Something that never
should have started,
692
00:33:45,126 --> 00:33:47,439
and we can't seem to get
to the end.
693
00:33:49,544 --> 00:33:52,789
Bobby and Dee and Frank
are going to trial
694
00:33:52,892 --> 00:33:54,549
on murder charges,
695
00:33:54,653 --> 00:33:57,000
the penalty for conviction of
which is life without parole.
696
00:33:57,104 --> 00:33:59,968
[dramatic music]
697
00:34:00,072 --> 00:34:04,973
♪
698
00:34:05,077 --> 00:34:08,184
The state has all of this
weird circumstantial stuff,
699
00:34:08,287 --> 00:34:10,910
but they have a witness...
- Right.
700
00:34:11,014 --> 00:34:12,395
That they're excited
to present.
701
00:34:12,498 --> 00:34:14,155
- Right.
- Tell me about that.
702
00:34:14,259 --> 00:34:16,088
Robert Woody
is the star witness,
703
00:34:16,192 --> 00:34:20,506
because he is claiming
that he was with the Atwals
704
00:34:20,610 --> 00:34:23,475
when they had the confrontation
with Korey Kauffman.
705
00:34:23,578 --> 00:34:26,202
But there's a problem
with Robert Woody as a witness.
706
00:34:29,481 --> 00:34:30,999
The first time
that he was interrogated,
707
00:34:31,103 --> 00:34:32,829
he denied any involvement.
708
00:34:40,388 --> 00:34:41,769
They intimidated him.
709
00:34:41,872 --> 00:34:44,703
They subjected him
to a really long interview.
710
00:34:49,604 --> 00:34:51,537
Then there's
a 20-minute bathroom break,
711
00:34:51,641 --> 00:34:55,093
and he comes back,
and he changes his story.
712
00:35:13,559 --> 00:35:16,148
They told Woody that,
"You have two choices.
713
00:35:16,252 --> 00:35:17,770
"You can be facing
the death penalty,
714
00:35:17,874 --> 00:35:19,634
"or you can be a witness
715
00:35:19,738 --> 00:35:21,947
and get out
from under all of this."
716
00:35:22,050 --> 00:35:23,914
We're here for you, seriously.
717
00:35:24,018 --> 00:35:26,158
I'm not gonna let you down.
718
00:35:26,262 --> 00:35:27,849
Robert, I'm not going
to let you down.
719
00:35:27,953 --> 00:35:31,508
Woody knew that the more
information he gave on Carson,
720
00:35:31,612 --> 00:35:33,752
the better
the deal he would get.
721
00:35:33,855 --> 00:35:34,960
He was arrested.
722
00:35:35,063 --> 00:35:37,031
And for the next year-plus,
723
00:35:37,135 --> 00:35:39,792
there are
various other interviews
724
00:35:39,896 --> 00:35:42,554
where Robert's trying to figure
out what he's supposed to say.
725
00:35:51,597 --> 00:35:54,221
The only problem is, Woody
didn't know what to say.
726
00:35:54,324 --> 00:35:55,774
And they fed him information
727
00:35:55,877 --> 00:35:59,226
by giving him suggestive
or leading questions.
728
00:36:06,888 --> 00:36:09,201
They say,
"What happened to the body?"
729
00:36:09,305 --> 00:36:11,376
And, "Didn't you bury the body
at the Pop-N-Cork?"
730
00:36:11,479 --> 00:36:14,310
I mean, Tommy just suggests
a whole--everything.
731
00:36:24,492 --> 00:36:26,874
Anybody driving
up to the mountains that night.
732
00:36:31,154 --> 00:36:33,984
Robert's trying to figure out
what he's supposed to say,
733
00:36:34,088 --> 00:36:36,055
and it is very clear.
734
00:36:36,159 --> 00:36:37,367
- Right.
- In fact, the whole--
735
00:36:37,471 --> 00:36:38,955
- "You walked up the hill."
- Right.
736
00:36:39,058 --> 00:36:40,957
- "I walked up the hill."
- The whole scenario...
737
00:36:41,060 --> 00:36:43,408
Then comes the worst part.
738
00:36:43,511 --> 00:36:46,238
He has another interview
on November 26th.
739
00:36:46,342 --> 00:36:49,828
What happened
when Carson came up?
740
00:36:51,657 --> 00:36:54,557
Dee handed who?
- Carson.
741
00:36:54,660 --> 00:36:56,421
- Carson the gun?
- Yeah.
742
00:36:56,524 --> 00:36:59,665
He says that Frank
was present with a gun.
743
00:36:59,769 --> 00:37:02,358
Then Walter Wells pulled up
in a police car,
744
00:37:02,461 --> 00:37:04,256
all of which not only
is not true,
745
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:05,844
but it can't be true
746
00:37:05,947 --> 00:37:07,639
because everybody knows
where Walter Wells was.
747
00:37:07,742 --> 00:37:09,365
He was at his father's funeral.
748
00:37:09,468 --> 00:37:10,987
Even his attorney--
they pulled it back.
749
00:37:11,090 --> 00:37:12,264
They said, "Well, Woody
was telling the truth
750
00:37:12,368 --> 00:37:13,886
"about these things,
751
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:15,888
"but when he said that Carson
had a gun in his hand,
752
00:37:15,992 --> 00:37:18,097
yeah, okay, he made that up."
753
00:37:18,201 --> 00:37:20,548
And the DA still stuck
with him.
754
00:37:20,652 --> 00:37:23,102
Woody tells a lot
of differing stories
755
00:37:23,206 --> 00:37:24,690
about what happened
with the case,
756
00:37:24,794 --> 00:37:26,002
what happened
with Korey Kauffman's body.
757
00:37:26,105 --> 00:37:27,831
Right.
758
00:37:27,935 --> 00:37:30,213
Can a judge step in and be
like, "This is ridiculous"?
759
00:37:30,317 --> 00:37:32,767
Yes, but she didn't.
760
00:37:32,871 --> 00:37:34,804
The DA went
with Robert Woody,
761
00:37:34,907 --> 00:37:37,393
with a parade
of jailhouse informants
762
00:37:37,496 --> 00:37:39,257
that they dangled deals
in front of.
763
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,880
They had, what,
100, 150 witnesses.
764
00:37:41,983 --> 00:37:45,159
None of them had Frank
say the magic words--
765
00:37:45,263 --> 00:37:46,609
"Go kill him for me."
766
00:37:46,712 --> 00:37:49,025
None of them had Frank
with a gun in his hand.
767
00:37:49,128 --> 00:37:52,580
None of them had Frank cutting
the body up or destroying it.
768
00:37:52,684 --> 00:37:56,274
None of them had Frank doing
anything except being Frank.
769
00:37:58,103 --> 00:38:00,450
We were sitting there,
and the jury came in.
770
00:38:00,554 --> 00:38:03,350
They handed their decision
to the judge,
771
00:38:03,453 --> 00:38:05,455
and she looked at it.
772
00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:07,492
And it was Frank Carson
was not guilty.
773
00:38:07,595 --> 00:38:09,045
Bobby was not guilty.
774
00:38:09,148 --> 00:38:10,460
Dee was not guilty.
775
00:38:10,564 --> 00:38:12,186
It was wonderful.
776
00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:14,913
Champagne and a taste of vindication
777
00:38:15,016 --> 00:38:16,155
for this Modesto attorney.
778
00:38:16,259 --> 00:38:17,536
Congratulations.
779
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,711
The congratulations
for Frank Carson
780
00:38:19,814 --> 00:38:22,472
in the form of one hug
after another.
781
00:38:22,576 --> 00:38:24,992
What are the emotions that
you're feeling right now?
782
00:38:25,095 --> 00:38:27,822
Relief and happy.
783
00:38:27,926 --> 00:38:31,101
♪
784
00:38:31,205 --> 00:38:33,069
Here it is.
785
00:38:33,172 --> 00:38:36,210
I haven't been in here
since we were arrested.
786
00:38:36,314 --> 00:38:37,487
It's been seven years.
787
00:38:37,591 --> 00:38:40,318
I'm sure
while you were living here,
788
00:38:40,421 --> 00:38:42,975
this was
kind of a grown-up playland.
789
00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:44,356
It was fun.
790
00:38:44,460 --> 00:38:46,151
It's like
an American picker's dream.
791
00:38:46,254 --> 00:38:48,256
Mm-hmm.
We had lost so much.
792
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,604
It's just sad.
793
00:38:50,707 --> 00:38:53,572
I do believe
in the justice system still,
794
00:38:53,676 --> 00:38:55,402
and the jury
did the right thing,
795
00:38:55,505 --> 00:38:57,300
and they listened to us.
796
00:38:57,404 --> 00:38:59,302
But we shouldn't have been
in that position
797
00:38:59,406 --> 00:39:00,821
in the first place.
798
00:39:00,924 --> 00:39:02,478
Carson says prosecutors
need to search
799
00:39:02,581 --> 00:39:05,446
for Kauffman's true killers
for justice to prevail.
800
00:39:05,550 --> 00:39:07,759
The sooner that they replace
801
00:39:07,862 --> 00:39:10,451
the investigators in this case,
802
00:39:10,555 --> 00:39:12,695
the sooner they're gonna find,
803
00:39:12,798 --> 00:39:16,146
hopefully, who perpetrated it.
804
00:39:16,250 --> 00:39:19,909
Tell me who's responsible
for my son's murder.
805
00:39:20,012 --> 00:39:21,220
If it's not these people--
806
00:39:21,324 --> 00:39:24,327
and you all said,
dead sure, they were--
807
00:39:24,431 --> 00:39:26,191
tell me who is,
808
00:39:26,294 --> 00:39:28,883
'cause one day I will find out.
809
00:39:28,987 --> 00:39:32,439
This case was not about
justice for Korey Kauffman.
810
00:39:32,542 --> 00:39:34,510
It was to get Frank Carson.
811
00:39:34,613 --> 00:39:37,927
And in the process,
I was just collateral damage.
812
00:39:38,030 --> 00:39:41,413
I lost so much time away
from my daughter and my family.
813
00:39:41,517 --> 00:39:43,450
I lost my career.
814
00:39:43,553 --> 00:39:45,486
I lost my retirement.
815
00:39:45,590 --> 00:39:47,005
I lost my home.
816
00:39:47,108 --> 00:39:48,800
[exhales sharply]
817
00:39:58,741 --> 00:40:00,743
We felt like
we were the victims
818
00:40:00,846 --> 00:40:03,228
of a vindictive prosecution
819
00:40:03,331 --> 00:40:07,094
by a district attorney's office
that didn't want to deal
820
00:40:07,197 --> 00:40:10,235
with a defense attorney
who was a fighter for justice.
821
00:40:10,338 --> 00:40:12,651
Frank, financially,
was gutted.
822
00:40:12,755 --> 00:40:15,033
His law practice
is in shambles,
823
00:40:15,136 --> 00:40:16,448
and his body suffered.
824
00:40:16,552 --> 00:40:19,520
He was injured from being
in the jail for so long.
825
00:40:19,624 --> 00:40:22,420
After a while,
his kidneys started to fail.
826
00:40:22,523 --> 00:40:24,905
Yeah, you can say, "Well, he
was acquitted, and he walked."
827
00:40:25,008 --> 00:40:27,873
Yeah, bull.
He lost.
828
00:40:27,977 --> 00:40:30,013
Frank was really never
the same.
829
00:40:30,117 --> 00:40:31,808
His health continued
to decline,
830
00:40:31,912 --> 00:40:34,432
and he died in August of 2020.
831
00:40:34,535 --> 00:40:37,504
[sighs]
I'm so sorry.
832
00:40:37,607 --> 00:40:40,886
What do you want people to know
about this case?
833
00:40:40,990 --> 00:40:45,443
What I really want is
for this to never happen again.
834
00:40:45,546 --> 00:40:47,306
One person
like Birgit Fladager
835
00:40:47,410 --> 00:40:50,206
has all the power
to take your life away
836
00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:52,588
with no evidence to do so.
837
00:40:54,141 --> 00:40:57,765
In a small town like this,
the power
838
00:40:57,869 --> 00:40:59,802
of the
District Attorney's Office
839
00:40:59,905 --> 00:41:02,425
to upend lives is frightening.
840
00:41:02,529 --> 00:41:05,221
Frank Carson spent his career
841
00:41:05,324 --> 00:41:07,603
calling out abuse of power
842
00:41:07,706 --> 00:41:09,639
from the
District Attorney's Office.
843
00:41:09,743 --> 00:41:12,849
And in the end,
they proved him right.
844
00:41:12,953 --> 00:41:19,891
♪
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