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♪ ♪
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[notification chimes]
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- Hi, Nicole.
- Well, hey. How are you?
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I'm really good.
It's nice to meet you.
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Thank you so much
for getting in touch with me.
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It's good to see you
face-to-face.
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[somber music]
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After the first season
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of "It Couldn't Happen Here,"
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I started getting
social media messages
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from people about cases
they felt needed attention.
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I'm a eighth grade
math teacher, and in 2013,
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a really good friend of mine
reached out
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and said,
"Something bad's happened.
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It's another one of our kids
is gone too soon."
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A former student of mine
in Angier, North Carolina,
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had been shot
by his father-in-law
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who was a pastor
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and it was said
it was self-defense.
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Why didn't that sit well
with you?
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Because it did not match
the kid that I knew
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in eighth grade.
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Christian Griggs was a student
of mine.
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There was zero aggression
in Christian.
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He never had any type
of conflict.
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He was one of those students
that just always stands out,
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intelligent,
from a good family,
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just really going places,
and I haven't seen Christian
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since he was in high school.
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I'm sure he had changed
over time
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and maybe he did do something
to initiate an argument,
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but it just didn't match
at all,
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and it immediately
was a red flag to me
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to try to reach out
about his case.
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This situation is exactly
what our show is about.
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You know,
you've got a school teacher
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who, all these years later,
is trying to shed light
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on her student's death
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and all
the unanswered questions
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that are surrounding that.
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♪ ♪
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And it's that level of care
and compassion
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that we know makes small towns
so special.
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We're just a plain,
simple town
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with a lot of--
a lot of good people in it.
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The people here
are generally friendly,
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family-oriented.
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You don't really
meet strangers.
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We try to get along
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and we make the best
of everything.
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If it's a good situation,
we try to make good of that.
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If it's bad,
we try to make good of that.
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We just live and let live.
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[melancholy guitar music]
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I'm Anthony Griggs.
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I'm a father
to Christian Griggs.
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My name is Dolly Griggs
and I'm Christian's mother.
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Tony and I met
at Fort Carson, Colorado,
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in the military.
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I did 21 years in the army,
retired here at Fort Bragg.
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We moved to Angier around 1996.
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It seemed like
your typical small town.
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Uh, everybody knows everybody.
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The people seem to be nice.
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It seemed like
a nice family town.
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When we moved to Angier,
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Christian
was around five years old,
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and there
was a good school system
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and a nice place
to raise your kids.
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There were a few small
things that we had to address
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with my son Christian as far
as racial issues in town,
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but in a small town
like this one,
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people don't get out and don't
know anything different.
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Sometimes you have to educate
them by way of presence.
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In high school
Christian started dating
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Katie Chisenhall.
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Her dad, Pat Chisenhall,
was a preacher.
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It was Christian's senior year
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when he told us
that Katie was pregnant.
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They had a child
and they named her Jaden,
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but it didn't work out.
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On October 11th, uh,
Christian was on fall break
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at North Carolina State,
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and he was supposed
to have Jaden that night.
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So that Friday
Christian came in the house
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and we thought
he would have Jaden with him,
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but he was alone.
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So my wife asked him,
"Where's Jaden?
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We thought Jaden would be
with you."
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He really didn't say anything
and he went upstairs.
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The next morning,
Christian went back
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to the Chisenhalls' house
to get Jaden.
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I looked at my phone.
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Had to be about 9:00
in the morning.
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I had several missed calls.
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It was Christian.
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So I call him back.
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The line had a lot of static
in it and it cut.
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The Chisenhalls' house is just
a short distance from here,
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but the connectivity is poor.
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Jumped in my truck
and I drove over there.
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I pulled in behind Christian.
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I said, "What's going on?"
He said, "They're not here,
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"as usual.
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"I'm here to pick up Jaden
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and there's nobody here
at the house."
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I said,
"Well, what are you gonna do?"
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He said,
"Well, I'm gonna hang out
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and I'm gonna wait
for them to come back."
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And he asked me
to go ahead and leave.
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So I left,
as Christian asked me to do.
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But I wish I would've stayed.
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[ominous music]
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And as I walked in the door
to my house,
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my phone rang again.
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It was Christian.
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This time he said, "Dad,
this guy's over here telling me
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to shut the eff up."
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I said, "Christian, who?"
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He said, "Pat."
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I drove over there.
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When I arrived at the house,
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it was quiet.
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It was serene.
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I thought, "Something about
this is not quite right."
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And as I walked
across the yard
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and stepped up upon the steps,
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and saw the window closest
to the door
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had been pushed in slightly
at the top,
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kind of like
a double-hung window,
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where you would fold it down.
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I reached out my right hand
to ring the doorbell,
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and I looked
to my immediate right
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and there was Christian laying
on the ground facedown.
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I did not know
what had happened to him.
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I kneeled down by his side,
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and almost instantaneous,
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police cars begin to come
from everywhere,
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Harnett County
Sheriff Department.
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The jump out of their vehicles,
weapons drawn,
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run up on the porch, see me,
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say, "We--we've got a call,
shots fired.
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There's been a shooting."
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And I said,
"It must be my son."
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[dark music]
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They immediately push me
off the porch.
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I then called my wife, Dolly,
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and I say,
"Christian's been shot."
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Dolly screams...
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and the phone goes dead.
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I just remember
dropping the phone
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and I told my daughter Krystle
that Christian had been shot.
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And we just ran out the door.
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I didn't have my purse.
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I didn't have no shoes on.
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When we got there,
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the EMT was doing CPR
on my son
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and one of the deputies came
off the porch
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and said they were gonna take
Christian to WakeMed,
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and I said,
"Is he still alive?"
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And he said, "Yes."
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[siren wails]
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And we get to
the hospital...
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And eventually,
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the doctor comes in and says...
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"He didn't make it."
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"He didn't make it."
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[sniffs]
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The doctor says,
"He didn't make it."
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I fell to the floor.
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I couldn't believe it.
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Couldn't believe it.
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They hadn't told us
the magnitude of his injuries
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at that point.
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But one of the trauma nurses
that was in the room
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said, "Whatever what happened,
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he was trying
to get outta there."
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[mellow country music]
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We are headed
to Angier, North Carolina,
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which is a little tiny
community outside of Raleigh.
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Angier's down here
in Harnett County,
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North Carolina.
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It's a really little town.
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It's like
a little over 5,000 people.
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Of all the places
that we've traveled,
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this is place that I probably
have the most connections.
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I have family that lives here.
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One of my very best friends
from childhood lives here.
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You know,
I've spent a lot of time
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in this part
of North Carolina.
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This is a case
where a local pastor,
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Pat Chisenhall,
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shot his son-in-law,
Christian Griggs
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and all these years later,
it is still not resolved
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for a lot of members
of this community.
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When this shooting happened,
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the media immediately reported
on it,
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but there is always more
to the story
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than what you can get out
of that initial headline.
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And so right now
we are meeting
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with Robby Jessup.
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He is a local attorney
who knows all about this town
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and this case.
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If you could walk me through
what happened that day
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in October.
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Christian has arrived
to pick up his daughter,
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and somehow this all dominos
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into Christian shot
by Pat Chisenhall,
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his father-in-law.
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Yes.
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Katie was living immediately
next door
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to Mr. Chisenhall.
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According to Katie,
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the night before the shooting,
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this is October 11th, 2013,
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Christian arrived
to pick up Jaden
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and discovered Katie's neighbor
has taken Jaden
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to the zoo that day.
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And according to Katie,
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Christian gets upset
about that and attempts
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to enter the home
through a window
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with an air condition unit.
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Mm-hmm.
So then what happened?
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Christian leaves
and then Katie goes that night
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and swears out herself
with a magistrate
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misdemeanor warrants
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for damaging an air conditioner
and for trespass.
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The following morning
on the day of the shooting,
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Katie and Pat had gone
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to try to get
a restraining order
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against Christian,
which they never obtained.
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- Mm-hmm.
- They are arriving back
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at Mr. Chisenhall's house.
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Christian showed up
and there was an interaction
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with Christian
for some period of time.
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Okay.
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When the police interview Pat
and Katie,
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what is their version
of what happened that morning?
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The police did a reenactment
with Mr. Chisenhall
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of how exactly he claimed
the shooting took place.
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While Katie is on
that first 911 call,
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another call comes in
from Pat Chisenhall.
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Chisenhall then says
he goes in the residence
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and Christian is trying to come
into the home.
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Pat Chisenhall claims
he was in fear of his life.
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Mr. Chisenhall claims
he shoots
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from inside of his living room
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at Christian, who is coming
through that window.
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Okay. That's a scary story.
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What is Katie's version
of what happened that morning?
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Katie says she was hiding
in a closet
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and didn't see anything.
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What does law enforcement
see when they get there?
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There were some photographs taken
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showing the condition
of the residence.
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[shutter clicking]
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There was some fingerprint
dusting done
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on a window screen.
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- Mm-hmm.
- And inside of the house...
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[shutter clicking]
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Three shell casings
were found.
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Can you tell me a little bit
about Pat Chisenhall?
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Mr. Chisenhall
was a reverend,
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operated the Abundant Life
Ministry Center.
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His family was born and raised
Harnett County,
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through and through
Harnett County.
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Mm-hmm, and so the story
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that immediately
starts circulating
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that Pat Chisenhall shot
in self-defense...
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That narrative was put
into the news immediately.
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New information tonight about
a shooting in Harnett County.
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Investigators say no charges
have been filed.
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They believe the pastor acted
in self-defense.
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I was an investigative
reporter at WRAL News
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here in Raleigh,
North Carolina.
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At the time, we did not have
a lot of information directly
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from the authorities,
but we spoke to members
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of Pat's church,
people who had talked to Pat
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and heard the stories
from that day.
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His son-in-law had tried
to break in the house, uh,
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threaten 'em, and, uh,
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he had no other recourse
to do but what he did.
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It was in self-defense.
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As a result,
the narrative that emerged
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was really
Pat Chisenhall's narrative,
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that this was a case
of self-defense,
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and that was all there is
to it.
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[twangy guitar music]
301
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After the shooting,
we were home
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and we had the TV on,
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and the story came up
on the news.
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And we were just astounded
when we saw the photographs
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of the crime scene.
306
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The window had been bashed
and pushed in and we thought,
307
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"That didn't look like
that when we were there.
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That window wasn't like that."
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We're like,
"What is going on here now?"
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[soft guitar music]
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♪
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Right now we are driving over
to meet with the parents
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of Christian Griggs.
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They're an army family
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and they moved here
to give their kids,
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like, a great small-town life.
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It sadly went terribly wrong
318
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and it will be good
to hear directly from them
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how everything unfolded.
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Hi. How are you?
- Thank you so much...
321
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- Oh, I'm so happy to meet...
- For coming.
322
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- You guys.
- Thank you so much.
323
00:17:03,643 --> 00:17:04,851
- Thank you guys so much.
- Well, come on in.
324
00:17:04,851 --> 00:17:06,853
Yes, I'll follow you.
325
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Oh, wow. Look.
- Got some pictures out.
326
00:17:08,682 --> 00:17:11,168
Yeah, I wanna see everything.
327
00:17:11,271 --> 00:17:14,619
Yeah, this one was one
of my favorite pictures
328
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from when he was in Iraq.
329
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[melancholy music]
330
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And this is--
[sighs]
331
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this is the flag that, uh...
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I did not want to receive
333
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when they take off the coffin
and they give it to you.
334
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- The internment.
- So...
335
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'Cause he's such
a handsome kid.
336
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Thank you so much.
337
00:17:37,539 --> 00:17:39,782
What can you tell me about
Christian?
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He was a very smart kid.
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He was in the National
Honor Society,
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just always excelled
in everything that he did,
341
00:17:46,272 --> 00:17:48,412
and Christian had a lot
of friends.
342
00:17:48,412 --> 00:17:50,552
Yeah, Christian could make
a friend anywhere.
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He never had an enemy.
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I was a good friend
of Christian Griggs
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since elementary school.
346
00:17:56,523 --> 00:17:59,008
Christian was probably one
of the most popular people.
347
00:17:59,008 --> 00:18:01,010
Everybody knew Christian Griggs.
348
00:18:01,010 --> 00:18:03,565
He was just really
a bubbly personality,
349
00:18:03,565 --> 00:18:04,842
always smiling.
350
00:18:04,842 --> 00:18:06,085
I'm sure anybody
would've loved
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to be Christian's girlfriend.
352
00:18:08,328 --> 00:18:11,331
Had he dated much
in high school?
353
00:18:11,331 --> 00:18:13,264
I was told Christian
had a lot of girlfriends,
354
00:18:13,264 --> 00:18:15,232
but he brought very few home,
355
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and then he met Katie.
356
00:18:17,786 --> 00:18:20,237
He was, I would say,
almost head over heels,
357
00:18:20,340 --> 00:18:22,687
like, "I found this girl.
She's good," you know?
358
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Especially in the beginning.
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He saw a lot in Katie.
360
00:18:26,243 --> 00:18:27,761
You know, she was ambitious,
361
00:18:27,761 --> 00:18:31,489
like goal-oriented
the same way that he was.
362
00:18:31,489 --> 00:18:33,319
What did he want
for his future?
363
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Did he wanna go to school?
364
00:18:34,906 --> 00:18:36,632
What did he want to study?
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Because of his academics,
he was able to get
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a four-year ROTC scholarship.
- Wow.
367
00:18:41,430 --> 00:18:43,087
Well, you guys were probably
pretty excited about that.
368
00:18:43,087 --> 00:18:44,916
Yes, absolutely.
369
00:18:44,916 --> 00:18:46,470
- It's a win.
- Yeah, oh, definitely.
370
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All he had to do was pick
a school of choice.
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[soft music]
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♪ ♪
373
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You know, as he's getting
closer to that leave date
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for college in senior year,
375
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is Katie a part of his plan?
376
00:19:00,622 --> 00:19:03,176
He never talked about
long-term plans,
377
00:19:03,176 --> 00:19:05,385
but it was his senior year
when Christian told us
378
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that Katie was pregnant.
379
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But he's already been accepted
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at, uh, North Carolina
State University,
381
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uh, getting ready
to go to school in July.
382
00:19:17,017 --> 00:19:19,986
So it was like wow.
[laughs]
383
00:19:19,986 --> 00:19:22,609
It was a lot for him
to take on.
384
00:19:22,609 --> 00:19:25,405
We told him
that whatever he needed,
385
00:19:25,405 --> 00:19:27,269
we were there to help him,
you know?
386
00:19:27,269 --> 00:19:28,684
But the best thing
that you can do
387
00:19:28,684 --> 00:19:33,310
for Katie and for your new baby
is to stay in school.
388
00:19:33,310 --> 00:19:35,208
When the baby is born,
389
00:19:35,208 --> 00:19:36,451
how did he handle that?
390
00:19:36,451 --> 00:19:39,488
He tried to go to school
during the day,
391
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and when he got out of class,
he would drive down to Angier
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to help her with the baby.
393
00:19:43,389 --> 00:19:45,632
He did this every single day.
394
00:19:45,632 --> 00:19:48,497
How long was he able
to sustain that?
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Couple months and then
he said that he was failing,
396
00:19:51,569 --> 00:19:53,951
couldn't concentrate,
his grades was low
397
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and he just felt like
the best thing he could do
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was just to join the military
399
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so that he could take care
of his family.
400
00:19:58,714 --> 00:20:00,647
I don't think I've ever cried
so hard in my life
401
00:20:00,647 --> 00:20:03,063
because he's just
going through so much
402
00:20:03,063 --> 00:20:04,651
and there's nothing
you can do...
403
00:20:04,651 --> 00:20:07,136
- Yeah.
- But be there for him.
404
00:20:07,136 --> 00:20:09,311
Does he come back here
to live?
405
00:20:09,311 --> 00:20:11,313
He went to go live
with the Chisenhalls.
406
00:20:11,313 --> 00:20:13,936
Did he talk about
his relationship
407
00:20:13,936 --> 00:20:15,973
with her family?
408
00:20:15,973 --> 00:20:17,216
Did he like them?
409
00:20:17,216 --> 00:20:19,701
He looked up to Pat,
you know?
410
00:20:19,701 --> 00:20:22,497
But I don't think Pat was happy
that his daughter fell in love
411
00:20:22,497 --> 00:20:25,051
with a Black man and Christian
had a Black family.
412
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That's not what he wanted
for his child.
413
00:20:27,433 --> 00:20:29,297
Christian had always
kind of mentioned,
414
00:20:29,297 --> 00:20:31,333
like "I'm not sure
if her dad likes me.
415
00:20:31,333 --> 00:20:33,680
"He's a old white guy,
you know?"
416
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Deeply rooted
in Harnett County.
417
00:20:36,683 --> 00:20:38,029
I think that was tough
for Christian
418
00:20:38,029 --> 00:20:39,893
because he was
seeking acceptance
419
00:20:39,893 --> 00:20:41,964
from somebody who didn't want
to give it to him,
420
00:20:41,964 --> 00:20:43,449
so there was a lot of things
421
00:20:43,449 --> 00:20:46,003
that were going against
Christian and Katie.
422
00:20:46,003 --> 00:20:48,971
But in the beginning,
they seemed to make it work
423
00:20:48,971 --> 00:20:51,526
and Katie's father
was actually
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00:20:51,526 --> 00:20:53,700
the--the presiding minister
over the wedding.
425
00:20:53,700 --> 00:20:57,186
He was the one
who actually married them.
426
00:20:57,186 --> 00:20:58,843
I did want things
to work out for Christian,
427
00:20:58,843 --> 00:21:01,467
but I wasn't naive to see
that the path
428
00:21:01,467 --> 00:21:03,710
was very challenging for him.
429
00:21:03,710 --> 00:21:10,648
♪ ♪
430
00:21:10,648 --> 00:21:14,721
I was here one evening
and the phone rang.
431
00:21:14,721 --> 00:21:16,999
And I picked up the phone
and it was Christian's voice
432
00:21:16,999 --> 00:21:18,587
on the other end.
433
00:21:18,587 --> 00:21:21,797
He said,
"Dad, our convoy was out
434
00:21:21,797 --> 00:21:23,868
and the vehicle
in front of me was hit."
435
00:21:23,868 --> 00:21:26,457
I said,
"What do you mean, son, 'hit'?"
436
00:21:26,561 --> 00:21:28,735
He said it was an IED.
437
00:21:28,735 --> 00:21:31,048
♪ ♪
438
00:21:31,048 --> 00:21:34,879
My next question was...
439
00:21:34,983 --> 00:21:38,262
"Is everybody all right?"
440
00:21:38,262 --> 00:21:41,334
He said, "No, Dad.
441
00:21:41,334 --> 00:21:44,579
Some of my friends
didn't make it."
442
00:21:45,856 --> 00:21:47,685
Having been in combat
443
00:21:47,685 --> 00:21:49,894
and experiencing that
for myself,
444
00:21:49,894 --> 00:21:52,138
I could tell
that it had changed the man
445
00:21:52,138 --> 00:21:55,072
in which Christian was.
446
00:21:55,072 --> 00:21:56,694
August 2011,
447
00:21:56,694 --> 00:21:58,627
Christian's ended his tour
in Iraq
448
00:21:58,627 --> 00:22:00,767
and he's living with Katie,
449
00:22:00,767 --> 00:22:04,184
but it is clear that there
is some turmoil there.
450
00:22:04,184 --> 00:22:07,118
I believe
that Christian being deployed
451
00:22:07,118 --> 00:22:09,155
was difficult for Katie too,
452
00:22:09,155 --> 00:22:10,881
and I know Christian
had a hard time
453
00:22:10,881 --> 00:22:12,952
when he came home.
454
00:22:12,952 --> 00:22:14,609
One of the things
that my colleagues and I
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thought was really important
with this case
456
00:22:16,335 --> 00:22:18,751
was to try to tell
the full story,
457
00:22:18,751 --> 00:22:22,617
to try to, um, understand
all of the factors
458
00:22:22,617 --> 00:22:24,550
that were coming into play
459
00:22:24,550 --> 00:22:27,069
that led them to this moment.
460
00:22:27,069 --> 00:22:28,968
[soft tense music]
461
00:22:28,968 --> 00:22:31,004
In May of 2012,
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Katie calls 911
and she told dispatchers
463
00:22:35,423 --> 00:22:38,115
that her husband
was threatening
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00:22:38,115 --> 00:22:39,875
to commit suicide,
465
00:22:39,875 --> 00:22:42,809
but the officer says
he talked to Christian
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00:22:42,809 --> 00:22:46,295
who basically said, "You know,
I got this gun out of my safe
467
00:22:46,295 --> 00:22:48,677
mostly to scare my wife."
468
00:22:48,677 --> 00:22:50,817
But Christian did admit
to being depressed
469
00:22:50,817 --> 00:22:53,889
since he returned home
from overseas.
470
00:22:53,889 --> 00:22:56,236
It was serious enough
that the officer
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00:22:56,236 --> 00:23:00,309
took that gun for safekeeping.
472
00:23:00,309 --> 00:23:03,727
About four months later,
Katie calls 911 again
473
00:23:03,727 --> 00:23:07,696
to say that Christian Griggs
is suicidal,
474
00:23:07,696 --> 00:23:09,388
and when an officer arrives,
475
00:23:09,388 --> 00:23:11,597
Christian says,
"I haven't talked to my wife
476
00:23:11,597 --> 00:23:14,427
"in a couple of hours,
but we are separated
477
00:23:14,427 --> 00:23:17,465
and that separation
has been a little rough."
478
00:23:17,465 --> 00:23:21,779
The very next day Katie
calls the authorities again.
479
00:23:21,883 --> 00:23:23,781
And this time
what she tells them
480
00:23:23,781 --> 00:23:27,026
is that Christian is outside
of her home in Angier
481
00:23:27,026 --> 00:23:30,650
and he's angry about
the custody situation.
482
00:23:30,650 --> 00:23:34,516
This is a theme that has begun
to emerge in this separation.
483
00:23:34,516 --> 00:23:37,933
There are challenges
between Katie and Christian
484
00:23:37,933 --> 00:23:40,488
over custody.
485
00:23:40,488 --> 00:23:42,041
Ultimately,
Christian and Katie
486
00:23:42,041 --> 00:23:44,802
had pretty much officially
called it quits,
487
00:23:44,802 --> 00:23:47,495
and he decided
to get back in school.
488
00:23:48,288 --> 00:23:51,291
So there's been a pattern
that's been established
489
00:23:51,291 --> 00:23:53,673
with custody of Jaden.
490
00:23:53,673 --> 00:23:56,676
Can you talk to me a little bit
about what that looked like?
491
00:23:56,676 --> 00:23:58,954
He would have Jaden
every other weekend.
492
00:23:58,954 --> 00:24:01,094
Did he typically pick her up
on Friday nights,
493
00:24:01,094 --> 00:24:02,889
Saturday mornings?
494
00:24:02,889 --> 00:24:05,236
If he couldn't get her
on Friday night,
495
00:24:05,236 --> 00:24:07,549
then he would come back
the Saturday.
496
00:24:07,549 --> 00:24:10,759
One time he was here until
like 7:00 at night Saturday
497
00:24:10,759 --> 00:24:12,692
and I know
that he kept calling Katie
498
00:24:12,796 --> 00:24:14,694
just waiting for Jaden
to get back.
499
00:24:14,694 --> 00:24:16,938
And so, you know,
it's very upsetting
500
00:24:16,938 --> 00:24:18,284
'cause this is supposed
to be his time
501
00:24:18,284 --> 00:24:19,561
with his daughter.
502
00:24:19,561 --> 00:24:22,219
That happened a lot.
503
00:24:22,219 --> 00:24:25,084
She made it difficult.
504
00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:28,846
[dark ominous music]
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00:24:28,846 --> 00:24:31,711
Saturday,
October 12, 2013,
506
00:24:31,711 --> 00:24:34,887
what we know about
what happened that day
507
00:24:34,887 --> 00:24:37,717
is sort of pieced together
based on statements
508
00:24:37,717 --> 00:24:41,238
from people who were there
and from these 911 calls.
509
00:24:51,041 --> 00:24:52,318
One of the things
that's interesting about
510
00:24:52,318 --> 00:24:53,664
these 911 calls
511
00:24:53,664 --> 00:24:55,597
was that it's not entirely
one-sided.
512
00:24:55,597 --> 00:24:57,841
You do hear Christian
in the background.
513
00:25:02,052 --> 00:25:03,881
A very interesting
and important fact
514
00:25:03,985 --> 00:25:07,989
is during
Pat Chisenhall's 911 calls,
515
00:25:07,989 --> 00:25:10,163
Christian himself
is on the phone,
516
00:25:10,163 --> 00:25:13,857
trying to reach an attorney
and calling his father,
517
00:25:13,857 --> 00:25:16,618
and Christian was communicating
to him
518
00:25:16,618 --> 00:25:19,863
he was the one feeling
threatened by the Chisenhalls.
519
00:25:19,863 --> 00:25:22,210
♪ ♪
520
00:25:22,210 --> 00:25:23,660
We knew that
there was no way
521
00:25:23,660 --> 00:25:26,179
that Christian was trying
to break into their home
522
00:25:26,179 --> 00:25:29,666
because Christian's never done
anything like that before.
523
00:25:29,666 --> 00:25:32,427
This was a narrative
that they put out there.
524
00:25:32,427 --> 00:25:34,118
You talking about
a young Black man
525
00:25:34,118 --> 00:25:37,466
being violent
and going into someone's home
526
00:25:37,466 --> 00:25:39,054
and it's an interracial marriage.
527
00:25:39,054 --> 00:25:41,091
What's the first thing
that's gonna come to your mind?
528
00:25:41,091 --> 00:25:42,402
He's justified.
529
00:25:42,402 --> 00:25:43,956
He should've got shot.
530
00:25:45,613 --> 00:25:48,650
So this is the narrative
531
00:25:48,650 --> 00:25:50,825
that gets put out
into the community?
532
00:25:50,825 --> 00:25:52,447
That seems insurmountable.
533
00:25:52,447 --> 00:25:54,345
What happens after that?
534
00:25:54,345 --> 00:25:58,626
So when the autopsy report
came in, I looked at it.
535
00:25:58,626 --> 00:26:02,491
It said he was shot four times
in the back.
536
00:26:02,491 --> 00:26:05,529
I expected this man
was gonna be arrested.
537
00:26:05,529 --> 00:26:06,910
I spoke
with the district attorney
538
00:26:06,910 --> 00:26:09,809
Vernon Stewart
and I say, "Well,
539
00:26:09,809 --> 00:26:11,155
"Christian was shot
in the back.
540
00:26:11,155 --> 00:26:13,813
Why is it
this man hasn't been charged?"
541
00:26:13,813 --> 00:26:15,608
He said, "Well,
I can't just charge a man
542
00:26:15,608 --> 00:26:17,058
for shooting somebody
in the back."
543
00:26:17,058 --> 00:26:18,749
And I say,
"Well, under what pretenses
544
00:26:18,749 --> 00:26:20,579
"can you tell me
it's acceptable
545
00:26:20,579 --> 00:26:22,684
to shoot a man in the back?"
546
00:26:22,684 --> 00:26:27,033
And his response was,
"I'm not gonna fuss with you."
547
00:26:27,033 --> 00:26:29,449
Did they give you
a reason why
548
00:26:29,449 --> 00:26:31,797
they're not gonna
press charges?
549
00:26:31,797 --> 00:26:34,213
We found out
because Pat Chisenhall said
550
00:26:34,213 --> 00:26:36,871
that Christian tried
to break into their home.
551
00:26:36,871 --> 00:26:38,562
They were gonna try
to use the Castle Doctrine
552
00:26:38,562 --> 00:26:39,598
in Christian's case.
553
00:26:39,598 --> 00:26:44,637
♪ ♪
554
00:26:44,637 --> 00:26:47,019
What that doctrine says
555
00:26:47,019 --> 00:26:50,885
is that if someone's coming
into your house,
556
00:26:50,885 --> 00:26:52,783
there is a presumption
557
00:26:52,783 --> 00:26:54,613
that you are in fear
of your life
558
00:26:54,613 --> 00:26:58,617
and you have a legal right
to use deadly force.
559
00:26:58,617 --> 00:27:02,793
So Pat was largely portrayed
as the victim.
560
00:27:02,793 --> 00:27:05,762
And law enforcement
were extremely clear
561
00:27:05,762 --> 00:27:08,799
they were considering
this self-defense
562
00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:11,837
and that no charges of any sort
563
00:27:11,837 --> 00:27:14,736
were ever going to be brought
or pursued.
564
00:27:14,736 --> 00:27:17,843
[country music]
565
00:27:17,843 --> 00:27:19,016
♪ ♪
566
00:27:19,016 --> 00:27:21,018
I believe that people
around here rely
567
00:27:21,018 --> 00:27:23,538
on their guns
because they have the right to.
568
00:27:23,538 --> 00:27:25,574
It's, uh,
their Second Amendment right
569
00:27:25,574 --> 00:27:27,715
to bear arms so they feel like
570
00:27:27,715 --> 00:27:30,683
they can take things
into their own hands.
571
00:27:30,683 --> 00:27:33,134
If you come
into my home unannounced,
572
00:27:33,134 --> 00:27:35,999
then I have every right
to defend myself.
573
00:27:35,999 --> 00:27:38,001
If I see someone else
in danger,
574
00:27:38,001 --> 00:27:41,418
absolutely, but I believe
it should be the last resort.
575
00:27:41,418 --> 00:27:45,422
When you take it upon yourself
to be God for a moment,
576
00:27:45,422 --> 00:27:47,010
now you show me
where that's right.
577
00:27:47,010 --> 00:27:49,668
You show me what scripture
validates that
578
00:27:49,668 --> 00:27:52,153
and then we'll have
another conversation.
579
00:27:52,153 --> 00:27:54,189
♪ ♪
580
00:27:54,189 --> 00:27:58,262
I'm just baffled because
someone being shot in the back
581
00:27:58,262 --> 00:28:01,541
is huge red flag.
582
00:28:01,541 --> 00:28:06,374
To not investigate
is just a bold decision
583
00:28:06,374 --> 00:28:07,478
for someone to make.
584
00:28:07,582 --> 00:28:09,170
They said that Pat Chisenhall
585
00:28:09,170 --> 00:28:12,898
was an outstanding person
in the community
586
00:28:12,898 --> 00:28:16,246
and that he didn't deserve
this and that this boy,
587
00:28:16,246 --> 00:28:19,180
Christian, was standing on
Pat Chisenhall's front porch.
588
00:28:19,180 --> 00:28:21,251
And that's reason enough
to get shot?
589
00:28:21,251 --> 00:28:23,149
That's what they told us.
590
00:28:23,149 --> 00:28:25,358
I mean,
what's the definition of that?
591
00:28:25,358 --> 00:28:28,154
Who picks and chooses
who the upstanding members
592
00:28:28,154 --> 00:28:29,673
of the community are?
593
00:28:29,673 --> 00:28:32,503
The sheriff department
based off only your color
594
00:28:32,503 --> 00:28:34,057
of your skin.
595
00:28:34,057 --> 00:28:38,682
They call it here
"prosecutorial discretion."
596
00:28:38,682 --> 00:28:40,857
You are pushing
to keep the case open,
597
00:28:40,857 --> 00:28:42,375
to have charges brought.
598
00:28:42,375 --> 00:28:45,447
You are finally told,
"This is an upstanding member
599
00:28:45,447 --> 00:28:46,794
of this community,"
600
00:28:46,794 --> 00:28:51,522
meaning a generational son
of this community,
601
00:28:51,522 --> 00:28:53,421
also a white member
of this community,
602
00:28:53,524 --> 00:28:55,423
also a reverend.
603
00:28:55,423 --> 00:28:58,322
"We are going to side
with him."
604
00:28:58,322 --> 00:29:00,635
What's your next step?
605
00:29:00,635 --> 00:29:03,431
We pursue looking
for an attorney
606
00:29:03,431 --> 00:29:05,467
and we got
private investigators
607
00:29:05,467 --> 00:29:07,780
to look into our case.
608
00:29:07,780 --> 00:29:10,921
When I saw
the inconsistencies
609
00:29:10,921 --> 00:29:14,304
with the narrative
that had been told
610
00:29:14,304 --> 00:29:16,099
and the physical evidence,
611
00:29:16,099 --> 00:29:18,929
I immediately decided
this was a situation
612
00:29:18,929 --> 00:29:21,069
where I wanted to help.
613
00:29:21,069 --> 00:29:23,900
When you first met
with Tony and Dolly,
614
00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:25,211
what happened?
615
00:29:25,211 --> 00:29:28,836
They showed me
the medical examiner's report.
616
00:29:28,836 --> 00:29:31,286
Christian was shot six times,
617
00:29:31,286 --> 00:29:34,082
once in the shoulder,
once in the abdomen,
618
00:29:34,082 --> 00:29:35,808
four times in the back.
619
00:29:35,912 --> 00:29:41,262
So this issue of Christian
coming through the window,
620
00:29:41,262 --> 00:29:44,127
being the aggressor,
does it make sense
621
00:29:44,127 --> 00:29:46,508
with the medical examiner's
report?
622
00:29:46,508 --> 00:29:48,407
- Absolutely not.
- Okay.
623
00:29:48,407 --> 00:29:51,720
Common sense,
if you're coming face forward
624
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,274
through a window...
- Mm-hmm.
625
00:29:53,274 --> 00:29:56,346
How do you get four bullets
in your back?
626
00:29:56,346 --> 00:29:59,280
Moreover, the trajectory
of those bullets indicate
627
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,869
that he was laying
on the ground
628
00:30:01,869 --> 00:30:05,286
facedown at the time
the shots were fired.
629
00:30:05,286 --> 00:30:08,737
We also know
that the second bullet
630
00:30:08,737 --> 00:30:11,223
to the back
paralyzed Christian.
631
00:30:11,223 --> 00:30:13,950
So there's no way he could've
crawled from the window
632
00:30:13,950 --> 00:30:15,365
over into that corner?
633
00:30:15,365 --> 00:30:17,746
Where he was found
is where he was shot.
634
00:30:17,746 --> 00:30:19,852
No way
could he have crawled.
635
00:30:19,852 --> 00:30:23,545
There was no evidence
of anybody dragging his body.
636
00:30:23,545 --> 00:30:24,995
No evidence of blood anywhere
637
00:30:24,995 --> 00:30:27,204
except immediately
under the body.
638
00:30:27,204 --> 00:30:28,688
There was not blood
at the window?
639
00:30:28,688 --> 00:30:29,724
No blood on the window.
640
00:30:29,724 --> 00:30:32,554
♪ ♪
641
00:30:32,554 --> 00:30:34,902
Were the shots
to his shoulder
642
00:30:34,902 --> 00:30:37,283
and his abdomen
life-threatening?
643
00:30:37,283 --> 00:30:39,872
No, according
to the medical examiner,
644
00:30:39,872 --> 00:30:42,323
both those shots
were easily survivable.
645
00:30:42,323 --> 00:30:46,154
The fatal shots were the shots
to the back.
646
00:30:46,154 --> 00:30:50,158
And was he a threat
laying facedown on the porch?
647
00:30:50,158 --> 00:30:52,540
Does the Castle Doctrine apply
648
00:30:52,540 --> 00:30:54,507
to the death
of Christian Griggs?
649
00:30:54,507 --> 00:30:57,200
As I see it, absolutely not.
650
00:31:00,099 --> 00:31:01,756
[somber music]
651
00:31:01,756 --> 00:31:03,758
On the surface,
this looks like
652
00:31:03,758 --> 00:31:06,588
a right-to-defend-your-home
story,
653
00:31:06,588 --> 00:31:09,695
but it takes very little effort
654
00:31:09,798 --> 00:31:13,078
to scratch that veneer
and realize
655
00:31:13,078 --> 00:31:18,359
that this case demands
a thorough investigation.
656
00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:21,086
Someone who did
an extensive amount of digging
657
00:31:21,086 --> 00:31:24,537
in this case is Lee Denney.
658
00:31:24,641 --> 00:31:27,230
I'm Lee Denney.
I'm a private investigator,
659
00:31:27,230 --> 00:31:30,819
and I'm a North Carolina
concealed carry instructor.
660
00:31:30,819 --> 00:31:37,205
In 2014, I was contacted
by Griggs' legal team
661
00:31:37,205 --> 00:31:39,276
asking if I wanted
to get involved
662
00:31:39,380 --> 00:31:42,038
in their investigation
of the case.
663
00:31:42,141 --> 00:31:46,870
Let's talk about
Pat Chisenhall's narrative.
664
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:50,080
In his walk-through video,
he says...
665
00:31:50,184 --> 00:31:52,048
I ran right here.
666
00:31:52,048 --> 00:31:54,360
He went to his closet.
667
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,811
He got his gun.
668
00:31:56,811 --> 00:32:00,297
I grabbed that,
and I came running in here.
669
00:32:00,297 --> 00:32:03,438
He came back
into the living room,
670
00:32:03,438 --> 00:32:05,682
Christian was coming through
the window,
671
00:32:05,682 --> 00:32:07,615
and he fired
from behind that couch.
672
00:32:07,615 --> 00:32:11,930
I think I fired from here.
673
00:32:12,033 --> 00:32:14,277
What is the probability
of that being true?
674
00:32:14,277 --> 00:32:16,348
Zero.
675
00:32:16,348 --> 00:32:19,213
Pat said he was shooting
almost directly at the window,
676
00:32:19,213 --> 00:32:21,732
but there were no holes
in the shades, curtains,
677
00:32:21,732 --> 00:32:23,631
or through
the lower glass pane.
678
00:32:23,734 --> 00:32:26,737
You see the improbability
of Christian being able
679
00:32:26,737 --> 00:32:30,431
to climb in here and then take
all the shots that he took
680
00:32:30,431 --> 00:32:34,262
without bullets passing through
the bottom part of the window
681
00:32:34,366 --> 00:32:35,781
or anywhere else.
682
00:32:35,781 --> 00:32:36,885
It doesn't add up.
683
00:32:36,885 --> 00:32:38,094
No missed shots?
684
00:32:38,197 --> 00:32:39,819
Right.
685
00:32:39,819 --> 00:32:42,063
To hit a moving target
686
00:32:42,063 --> 00:32:45,411
with all of your shots
is difficult.
687
00:32:45,411 --> 00:32:48,483
To stand there
and do all that shooting
688
00:32:48,587 --> 00:32:51,797
and not miss,
pretty much impossible.
689
00:32:51,797 --> 00:32:52,798
Hmm.
690
00:32:52,798 --> 00:32:54,317
Theoretically,
691
00:32:54,317 --> 00:32:57,492
where could these shots
have taken place
692
00:32:57,596 --> 00:32:59,184
where there wouldn't be
any stray bullets?
693
00:32:59,184 --> 00:33:02,049
Outside on the front porch.
694
00:33:02,049 --> 00:33:04,120
- Uh-huh.
- Which'd be why his body
695
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,054
was laying down in the position
that he was laying
696
00:33:07,054 --> 00:33:11,265
and the angle of the bullets
in his back.
697
00:33:12,956 --> 00:33:15,890
Then there's the shell casings
that were found.
698
00:33:15,890 --> 00:33:18,099
[shutter clicking]
699
00:33:18,099 --> 00:33:20,757
You should be finding six
somewhere in here.
700
00:33:20,757 --> 00:33:22,931
We asked law enforcement
if they searched
701
00:33:22,931 --> 00:33:24,657
and they said they did
and they only found
702
00:33:24,761 --> 00:33:26,935
these three shell casings.
703
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:29,007
But how long did they search?
704
00:33:29,007 --> 00:33:31,837
I think they were there
that day, that evening
705
00:33:31,940 --> 00:33:34,288
and--and left.
706
00:33:34,391 --> 00:33:36,290
Had people been allowed
to come on to the scene?
707
00:33:36,290 --> 00:33:38,913
I believe--I believe
the Chisenhalls came back
708
00:33:38,913 --> 00:33:41,364
later that night to the house.
709
00:33:41,364 --> 00:33:43,193
While there was still
missing evidence?
710
00:33:43,193 --> 00:33:46,472
Yes, apparently so.
711
00:33:46,472 --> 00:33:49,268
Also, the three shell casings
were found
712
00:33:49,268 --> 00:33:51,201
within about 12 inches
of each other.
713
00:33:51,201 --> 00:33:53,583
- Mm-hmm.
- Which is, I would say,
714
00:33:53,583 --> 00:33:55,688
more than highly unusual.
715
00:33:55,688 --> 00:33:57,242
The shell casings come out.
716
00:33:57,242 --> 00:33:59,451
They're ejected to the right.
717
00:33:59,451 --> 00:34:03,524
For three to be found
all together like that,
718
00:34:03,627 --> 00:34:06,182
that's not realistic.
719
00:34:06,182 --> 00:34:10,358
My impression, knowing how
that firearm operates,
720
00:34:10,358 --> 00:34:14,500
seeing furniture,
walls, and all that,
721
00:34:14,500 --> 00:34:17,227
tells me
that those were collected
722
00:34:17,331 --> 00:34:20,817
and thrown over there.
723
00:34:20,817 --> 00:34:23,268
That's--
[sighs]
724
00:34:23,371 --> 00:34:26,029
It is the most probable thing,
725
00:34:26,029 --> 00:34:28,480
but it's also damning.
726
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,104
Sure, sure it is
because it brings the question:
727
00:34:32,104 --> 00:34:33,692
who did it?
- Uh-huh.
728
00:34:33,692 --> 00:34:36,419
♪ ♪
729
00:34:36,419 --> 00:34:39,456
According to the crime scene log,
730
00:34:39,456 --> 00:34:42,632
while police are still
on the scene,
731
00:34:42,632 --> 00:34:46,774
Mr. Chisenhall's son,
Pat Chisenhall, Jr,
732
00:34:46,774 --> 00:34:50,605
is allowed to come in and out
of the crime scene
733
00:34:50,709 --> 00:34:53,021
on two separate occasions.
734
00:34:53,021 --> 00:34:55,990
Certainly under no circumstances
735
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:58,475
would you want a family member
736
00:34:58,475 --> 00:35:00,615
of a person
who had just shot a man
737
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,273
coming in and out
of that shooting scene
738
00:35:03,273 --> 00:35:07,381
that is currently
under investigation.
739
00:35:07,484 --> 00:35:10,832
All of these pieces
put together say what to you?
740
00:35:10,832 --> 00:35:14,181
I'm thinking that this is not
a self-defense shooting.
741
00:35:14,181 --> 00:35:17,667
Why aren't we charging
Mr. Chisenhall?
742
00:35:17,770 --> 00:35:22,534
I scheduled a meeting
with the medical examiner,
743
00:35:22,534 --> 00:35:24,501
Dr. Scott.
744
00:35:24,501 --> 00:35:28,540
She said that she agreed
with my theory.
745
00:35:28,643 --> 00:35:32,130
We got to the facts
that it was not self-defense,
746
00:35:32,233 --> 00:35:35,926
but they still refused
to do the right thing.
747
00:35:35,926 --> 00:35:38,446
I realized
that the Harnett County
748
00:35:38,446 --> 00:35:40,759
Sheriff Department and DA
wasn't going to do anything,
749
00:35:40,759 --> 00:35:42,968
so I had two choices to make.
750
00:35:42,968 --> 00:35:45,695
I had a choice to sit back
and accept it
751
00:35:45,695 --> 00:35:47,869
or I had a choice to fight.
752
00:35:47,869 --> 00:35:48,939
So I decided to fight.
753
00:35:52,702 --> 00:35:54,704
The DA
had said pretty explicitly,
754
00:35:54,704 --> 00:35:56,119
"We're not gonna charge."
755
00:35:56,119 --> 00:35:58,156
Sheriff's department
said pretty explicitly
756
00:35:58,156 --> 00:35:59,571
that they thought
this was a clear-cut case
757
00:35:59,571 --> 00:36:02,090
of self-defense,
but there was a civil question
758
00:36:02,194 --> 00:36:04,300
at the heart of this
about whether or not
759
00:36:04,300 --> 00:36:07,165
Pat Chisenhall was responsible
for the wrongful death
760
00:36:07,165 --> 00:36:09,028
of Christian Griggs.
761
00:36:09,028 --> 00:36:11,962
[soft music]
762
00:36:11,962 --> 00:36:16,208
♪
763
00:36:16,208 --> 00:36:19,384
I wondered, "Could we ever
convince the community,
764
00:36:19,384 --> 00:36:21,524
"the jury, to break
from the narrative
765
00:36:21,524 --> 00:36:24,043
that was put out there
from the very start?"
766
00:36:24,147 --> 00:36:26,977
[tense music]
767
00:36:27,081 --> 00:36:28,565
Over the course of the trial,
768
00:36:28,565 --> 00:36:30,947
we put multiple
county employees
769
00:36:31,050 --> 00:36:32,535
in the witness box.
770
00:36:32,535 --> 00:36:36,401
We questioned them about
the missing shell casings,
771
00:36:36,401 --> 00:36:39,956
the evidence, and the timing
of the 911 calls.
772
00:36:45,686 --> 00:36:50,000
Two seconds after
Pat's first 911 call ends,
773
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,245
Katie calls 911
for a second time.
774
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:54,833
At that point in time,
775
00:36:54,833 --> 00:36:57,560
we know Pat and Christian
are out in the yard.
776
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,287
There was no time
for Christian
777
00:37:00,390 --> 00:37:02,634
to have broken
into that house.
778
00:37:06,293 --> 00:37:09,157
Pat's second 911 call starts
779
00:37:09,157 --> 00:37:11,712
during Katie's second
911 call.
780
00:37:16,268 --> 00:37:18,339
Based upon the overlap,
781
00:37:18,339 --> 00:37:21,239
we know Christian had
to have been shot
782
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,449
during Katie's second 911 call.
783
00:37:24,449 --> 00:37:26,830
But on Katie's second
911 call,
784
00:37:26,830 --> 00:37:29,039
you don't hear any gunshots.
785
00:37:33,665 --> 00:37:36,254
That says to me
Katie was nowhere close
786
00:37:36,254 --> 00:37:37,634
to the gunfire,
787
00:37:37,634 --> 00:37:41,500
which says to me the shooting
had to be outside.
788
00:37:41,500 --> 00:37:44,365
I think the biggest moment
in the trial
789
00:37:44,365 --> 00:37:47,713
was when Mr. Chisenhall
took the stand.
790
00:37:47,713 --> 00:37:52,822
He blanketly claimed
a general lack of recollection
791
00:37:52,822 --> 00:37:54,410
of anything at all
792
00:37:54,410 --> 00:37:56,860
when those four bullets
would have been discharged
793
00:37:56,860 --> 00:37:58,448
into Christian's back.
794
00:37:58,448 --> 00:38:00,001
I have no memory of it, so...
795
00:38:00,001 --> 00:38:02,003
At the time
of the walk-through
796
00:38:02,107 --> 00:38:05,662
with the police, Pat seems
to have a good recollection
797
00:38:05,662 --> 00:38:08,631
of how he contends
the shooting occurred.
798
00:38:08,631 --> 00:38:11,703
I think I fired from here.
799
00:38:11,703 --> 00:38:14,671
By the time we get
to the civil trial
800
00:38:14,671 --> 00:38:18,192
and I've taken
Mr. Chisenhall's deposition,
801
00:38:18,192 --> 00:38:20,263
he can't remember a damn thing.
802
00:38:20,367 --> 00:38:23,887
As far as the shooting goes,
the incident itself,
803
00:38:23,887 --> 00:38:28,133
anything after the glass broke,
I don't remember anything.
804
00:38:28,133 --> 00:38:31,481
At the end,
it was a relatively short
805
00:38:31,481 --> 00:38:32,793
jury deliberation.
806
00:38:32,793 --> 00:38:35,830
The verdict was broadcast
on local media.
807
00:38:35,830 --> 00:38:37,384
The jury took
an hour and a half
808
00:38:37,487 --> 00:38:39,109
to come back with a decision.
809
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:41,146
Pat Chisenhall,
an Angier pastor,
810
00:38:41,146 --> 00:38:44,011
was not justified when he shot
and killed his son-in-law,
811
00:38:44,011 --> 00:38:46,047
Christian Griggs.
812
00:38:46,151 --> 00:38:49,050
[somber music]
813
00:38:49,154 --> 00:38:54,332
♪ ♪
814
00:38:54,435 --> 00:38:56,886
We've proven
that it was not self-defense.
815
00:38:56,886 --> 00:38:59,406
We've got a jury verdict.
816
00:38:59,406 --> 00:39:01,442
They've got to arrest
this guy now.
817
00:39:01,442 --> 00:39:03,686
They've got to do
the right thing.
818
00:39:03,686 --> 00:39:05,998
But they didn't do anything.
819
00:39:06,102 --> 00:39:07,621
The day after the verdict,
820
00:39:07,621 --> 00:39:10,486
the sheriff issued a statement
821
00:39:10,486 --> 00:39:13,696
saying there would be
no further investigation
822
00:39:13,696 --> 00:39:17,596
and there would be
no criminal charges.
823
00:39:17,596 --> 00:39:19,909
And they still
have not done anything.
824
00:39:19,909 --> 00:39:22,636
The new DA that we have
has not shown any interest.
825
00:39:22,739 --> 00:39:24,258
We've called her.
She hasn't even returned
826
00:39:24,258 --> 00:39:25,604
our phone calls.
827
00:39:25,604 --> 00:39:27,537
Josh Stein,
the attorney general,
828
00:39:27,641 --> 00:39:28,883
needs to intervene.
829
00:39:28,883 --> 00:39:30,747
The Department of Justice
needs to come down
830
00:39:30,747 --> 00:39:33,440
and investigate the Harnett
County Sheriff's Department.
831
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,234
They need to do something.
832
00:39:35,338 --> 00:39:38,479
♪ ♪
833
00:39:38,479 --> 00:39:40,343
I'm supposed
to remain impartial
834
00:39:40,447 --> 00:39:43,035
as a storyteller,
but it makes me mad
835
00:39:43,035 --> 00:39:45,624
that there's no oversight.
836
00:39:45,624 --> 00:39:49,490
A young man was shot
in the back in broad daylight
837
00:39:49,490 --> 00:39:53,874
and no one has ever been
held accountable for it.
838
00:39:53,874 --> 00:39:56,566
Thank you guys
for bringing me here.
839
00:39:56,566 --> 00:39:58,361
How often do you come out?
840
00:39:58,361 --> 00:40:03,331
Um, I try to come out,
um, once a week.
841
00:40:03,331 --> 00:40:05,851
- Is this him?
- Mm-hmm.
842
00:40:05,851 --> 00:40:08,682
Mm-hmm.
843
00:40:11,236 --> 00:40:12,789
I just...
844
00:40:12,789 --> 00:40:14,550
You guys put her picture
on here with--
845
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:16,483
both: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
846
00:40:16,483 --> 00:40:18,692
We also did this bench
for him
847
00:40:18,692 --> 00:40:20,625
that Jaden can always have it
848
00:40:20,625 --> 00:40:22,661
to come out and just sit
with him.
849
00:40:22,661 --> 00:40:25,215
How important is it
to have her know
850
00:40:25,319 --> 00:40:26,838
how much her dad loved her?
851
00:40:26,838 --> 00:40:30,013
To know that the reason
that he's not here today
852
00:40:30,013 --> 00:40:33,603
was because he was trying
to have her a part of his life.
853
00:40:33,603 --> 00:40:35,225
It's very important.
854
00:40:35,225 --> 00:40:39,989
♪
855
00:40:40,092 --> 00:40:42,509
Nothing's gonna bring
Christian Griggs back.
856
00:40:42,509 --> 00:40:44,925
His family has this space.
857
00:40:44,925 --> 00:40:46,892
They've created
a beautiful spot
858
00:40:46,892 --> 00:40:49,826
for his daughter
to visit one day.
859
00:40:49,930 --> 00:40:52,242
And what they're asking for
isn't big.
860
00:40:52,346 --> 00:40:54,382
They're asking
for the bare minimum.
861
00:40:54,382 --> 00:40:56,902
They're asking
for an investigation.
862
00:40:56,902 --> 00:40:59,871
They're asking
for some oversight.
863
00:40:59,871 --> 00:41:02,736
These are people who have
served their country.
864
00:41:02,736 --> 00:41:05,739
They've served their community,
865
00:41:05,739 --> 00:41:09,087
and I wanna know
who's serving them.
866
00:41:09,087 --> 00:41:16,128
♪ ♪
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