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It's nice to meet you. 10 00:00:55,710 --> 00:00:58,679 Thank you so much for getting in touch with me. 11 00:00:58,679 --> 00:01:00,543 It's good to see you face-to-face. 12 00:01:00,543 --> 00:01:01,682 [somber music] 13 00:01:01,682 --> 00:01:03,097 After the first season 14 00:01:03,097 --> 00:01:04,961 of "It Couldn't Happen Here," 15 00:01:04,961 --> 00:01:08,102 I started getting social media messages 16 00:01:08,102 --> 00:01:12,175 from people about cases they felt needed attention. 17 00:01:12,175 --> 00:01:16,386 I'm a eighth grade math teacher, and in 2013, 18 00:01:16,386 --> 00:01:18,250 a really good friend of mine reached out 19 00:01:18,250 --> 00:01:20,425 and said, "Something bad's happened. 20 00:01:20,425 --> 00:01:23,255 It's another one of our kids is gone too soon." 21 00:01:23,255 --> 00:01:26,534 A former student of mine in Angier, North Carolina, 22 00:01:26,534 --> 00:01:28,847 had been shot by his father-in-law 23 00:01:28,847 --> 00:01:30,055 who was a pastor 24 00:01:30,159 --> 00:01:33,507 and it was said it was self-defense. 25 00:01:33,507 --> 00:01:35,750 Why didn't that sit well with you? 26 00:01:35,854 --> 00:01:37,787 Because it did not match the kid that I knew 27 00:01:37,787 --> 00:01:39,547 in eighth grade. 28 00:01:39,547 --> 00:01:41,963 Christian Griggs was a student of mine. 29 00:01:42,067 --> 00:01:45,001 There was zero aggression in Christian. 30 00:01:45,001 --> 00:01:47,797 He never had any type of conflict. 31 00:01:47,900 --> 00:01:51,145 He was one of those students that just always stands out, 32 00:01:51,145 --> 00:01:53,389 intelligent, from a good family, 33 00:01:53,389 --> 00:01:56,323 just really going places, and I haven't seen Christian 34 00:01:56,426 --> 00:01:58,083 since he was in high school. 35 00:01:58,083 --> 00:02:00,223 I'm sure he had changed over time 36 00:02:00,223 --> 00:02:04,814 and maybe he did do something to initiate an argument, 37 00:02:04,814 --> 00:02:06,402 but it just didn't match at all, 38 00:02:06,402 --> 00:02:08,645 and it immediately was a red flag to me 39 00:02:08,749 --> 00:02:11,614 to try to reach out about his case. 40 00:02:11,614 --> 00:02:15,445 This situation is exactly what our show is about. 41 00:02:15,445 --> 00:02:17,723 You know, you've got a school teacher 42 00:02:17,723 --> 00:02:21,900 who, all these years later, is trying to shed light 43 00:02:21,900 --> 00:02:24,040 on her student's death 44 00:02:24,144 --> 00:02:26,180 and all the unanswered questions 45 00:02:26,284 --> 00:02:27,630 that are surrounding that. 46 00:02:27,630 --> 00:02:29,494 ♪ ♪ 47 00:02:29,494 --> 00:02:31,496 And it's that level of care and compassion 48 00:02:31,496 --> 00:02:35,016 that we know makes small towns so special. 49 00:02:35,016 --> 00:02:36,466 We're just a plain, simple town 50 00:02:36,466 --> 00:02:39,089 with a lot of-- a lot of good people in it. 51 00:02:39,193 --> 00:02:41,989 The people here are generally friendly, 52 00:02:42,092 --> 00:02:44,129 family-oriented. 53 00:02:44,129 --> 00:02:45,889 You don't really meet strangers. 54 00:02:45,993 --> 00:02:47,581 We try to get along 55 00:02:47,581 --> 00:02:50,618 and we make the best of everything. 56 00:02:50,618 --> 00:02:53,276 If it's a good situation, we try to make good of that. 57 00:02:53,276 --> 00:02:55,658 If it's bad, we try to make good of that. 58 00:02:55,761 --> 00:02:58,143 We just live and let live. 59 00:02:58,143 --> 00:02:59,662 [foreboding music] 60 00:02:59,662 --> 00:03:01,595 [line trills] 61 00:03:26,102 --> 00:03:29,070 [melancholy guitar music] 62 00:03:29,070 --> 00:03:30,313 I'm Anthony Griggs. 63 00:03:30,417 --> 00:03:33,074 I'm a father to Christian Griggs. 64 00:03:33,178 --> 00:03:37,527 My name is Dolly Griggs and I'm Christian's mother. 65 00:03:37,527 --> 00:03:40,565 Tony and I met at Fort Carson, Colorado, 66 00:03:40,565 --> 00:03:42,429 in the military. 67 00:03:42,429 --> 00:03:46,156 I did 21 years in the army, retired here at Fort Bragg. 68 00:03:46,156 --> 00:03:49,125 We moved to Angier around 1996. 69 00:03:49,125 --> 00:03:51,403 It seemed like your typical small town. 70 00:03:51,403 --> 00:03:53,440 Uh, everybody knows everybody. 71 00:03:53,543 --> 00:03:54,717 The people seem to be nice. 72 00:03:54,717 --> 00:03:57,133 It seemed like a nice family town. 73 00:03:57,237 --> 00:03:58,617 When we moved to Angier, 74 00:03:58,721 --> 00:04:01,758 Christian was around five years old, 75 00:04:01,758 --> 00:04:03,484 and there was a good school system 76 00:04:03,484 --> 00:04:05,969 and a nice place to raise your kids. 77 00:04:06,073 --> 00:04:08,075 There were a few small things that we had to address 78 00:04:08,075 --> 00:04:11,492 with my son Christian as far as racial issues in town, 79 00:04:11,596 --> 00:04:13,425 but in a small town like this one, 80 00:04:13,425 --> 00:04:15,669 people don't get out and don't know anything different. 81 00:04:15,772 --> 00:04:19,776 Sometimes you have to educate them by way of presence. 82 00:04:19,776 --> 00:04:21,675 In high school Christian started dating 83 00:04:21,675 --> 00:04:23,159 Katie Chisenhall. 84 00:04:23,159 --> 00:04:26,680 Her dad, Pat Chisenhall, was a preacher. 85 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,095 It was Christian's senior year 86 00:04:28,095 --> 00:04:30,822 when he told us that Katie was pregnant. 87 00:04:30,822 --> 00:04:33,997 They had a child and they named her Jaden, 88 00:04:33,997 --> 00:04:35,585 but it didn't work out. 89 00:04:35,585 --> 00:04:41,798 ♪ ♪ 90 00:04:41,798 --> 00:04:45,285 On October 11th, uh, Christian was on fall break 91 00:04:45,285 --> 00:04:47,804 at North Carolina State, 92 00:04:47,804 --> 00:04:50,635 and he was supposed to have Jaden that night. 93 00:04:50,635 --> 00:04:53,845 So that Friday Christian came in the house 94 00:04:53,948 --> 00:04:56,054 and we thought he would have Jaden with him, 95 00:04:56,054 --> 00:04:57,504 but he was alone. 96 00:04:57,607 --> 00:04:59,782 So my wife asked him, "Where's Jaden? 97 00:04:59,885 --> 00:05:02,474 We thought Jaden would be with you." 98 00:05:02,578 --> 00:05:06,720 He really didn't say anything and he went upstairs. 99 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,308 The next morning, Christian went back 100 00:05:08,411 --> 00:05:11,345 to the Chisenhalls' house to get Jaden. 101 00:05:11,345 --> 00:05:12,898 I looked at my phone. 102 00:05:12,898 --> 00:05:15,107 Had to be about 9:00 in the morning. 103 00:05:15,211 --> 00:05:16,074 I had several missed calls. 104 00:05:16,177 --> 00:05:17,455 It was Christian. 105 00:05:17,455 --> 00:05:19,974 So I call him back. 106 00:05:20,078 --> 00:05:23,012 The line had a lot of static in it and it cut. 107 00:05:23,012 --> 00:05:26,360 The Chisenhalls' house is just a short distance from here, 108 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,777 but the connectivity is poor. 109 00:05:29,777 --> 00:05:33,609 Jumped in my truck and I drove over there. 110 00:05:33,609 --> 00:05:35,852 I pulled in behind Christian. 111 00:05:35,852 --> 00:05:37,785 I said, "What's going on?" He said, "They're not here, 112 00:05:37,785 --> 00:05:38,855 "as usual. 113 00:05:38,855 --> 00:05:40,132 "I'm here to pick up Jaden 114 00:05:40,132 --> 00:05:42,583 and there's nobody here at the house." 115 00:05:42,687 --> 00:05:44,999 I said, "Well, what are you gonna do?" 116 00:05:44,999 --> 00:05:46,276 He said, "Well, I'm gonna hang out 117 00:05:46,276 --> 00:05:48,589 and I'm gonna wait for them to come back." 118 00:05:48,693 --> 00:05:51,489 And he asked me to go ahead and leave. 119 00:05:51,489 --> 00:05:55,285 So I left, as Christian asked me to do. 120 00:05:55,389 --> 00:05:57,357 But I wish I would've stayed. 121 00:05:57,460 --> 00:06:00,221 [ominous music] 122 00:06:00,325 --> 00:06:01,947 And as I walked in the door to my house, 123 00:06:01,947 --> 00:06:03,259 my phone rang again. 124 00:06:03,259 --> 00:06:04,847 It was Christian. 125 00:06:04,847 --> 00:06:08,920 This time he said, "Dad, this guy's over here telling me 126 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,474 to shut the eff up." 127 00:06:11,474 --> 00:06:13,234 I said, "Christian, who?" 128 00:06:13,338 --> 00:06:16,203 He said, "Pat." 129 00:06:16,203 --> 00:06:18,412 I drove over there. 130 00:06:18,412 --> 00:06:21,864 When I arrived at the house, 131 00:06:21,864 --> 00:06:23,106 it was quiet. 132 00:06:23,106 --> 00:06:25,937 It was serene. 133 00:06:25,937 --> 00:06:28,698 I thought, "Something about this is not quite right." 134 00:06:28,698 --> 00:06:31,632 ♪ ♪ 135 00:06:31,632 --> 00:06:32,806 And as I walked across the yard 136 00:06:32,806 --> 00:06:34,670 and stepped up upon the steps, 137 00:06:34,670 --> 00:06:37,086 and saw the window closest to the door 138 00:06:37,086 --> 00:06:39,537 had been pushed in slightly at the top, 139 00:06:39,537 --> 00:06:41,331 kind of like a double-hung window, 140 00:06:41,435 --> 00:06:42,919 where you would fold it down. 141 00:06:43,023 --> 00:06:45,853 I reached out my right hand to ring the doorbell, 142 00:06:45,853 --> 00:06:47,476 and I looked to my immediate right 143 00:06:47,476 --> 00:06:51,480 and there was Christian laying on the ground facedown. 144 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,621 I did not know what had happened to him. 145 00:06:54,621 --> 00:06:59,004 I kneeled down by his side, 146 00:06:59,004 --> 00:07:00,316 and almost instantaneous, 147 00:07:00,316 --> 00:07:02,456 police cars begin to come from everywhere, 148 00:07:02,456 --> 00:07:04,907 Harnett County Sheriff Department. 149 00:07:04,907 --> 00:07:08,117 The jump out of their vehicles, weapons drawn, 150 00:07:08,117 --> 00:07:10,913 run up on the porch, see me, 151 00:07:11,016 --> 00:07:13,294 say, "We--we've got a call, shots fired. 152 00:07:13,294 --> 00:07:15,124 There's been a shooting." 153 00:07:15,124 --> 00:07:16,401 And I said, "It must be my son." 154 00:07:16,505 --> 00:07:18,921 [dark music] 155 00:07:19,024 --> 00:07:22,614 They immediately push me off the porch. 156 00:07:22,614 --> 00:07:24,271 I then called my wife, Dolly, 157 00:07:24,271 --> 00:07:27,274 and I say, "Christian's been shot." 158 00:07:27,274 --> 00:07:31,036 Dolly screams... 159 00:07:31,036 --> 00:07:33,280 and the phone goes dead. 160 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,489 I just remember dropping the phone 161 00:07:35,489 --> 00:07:40,494 and I told my daughter Krystle that Christian had been shot. 162 00:07:40,494 --> 00:07:43,359 And we just ran out the door. 163 00:07:43,359 --> 00:07:44,429 I didn't have my purse. 164 00:07:44,429 --> 00:07:47,294 I didn't have no shoes on. 165 00:07:47,294 --> 00:07:48,985 When we got there, 166 00:07:48,985 --> 00:07:53,024 the EMT was doing CPR on my son 167 00:07:53,024 --> 00:07:55,578 and one of the deputies came off the porch 168 00:07:55,578 --> 00:07:57,649 and said they were gonna take Christian to WakeMed, 169 00:07:57,649 --> 00:07:59,099 and I said, "Is he still alive?" 170 00:07:59,099 --> 00:08:00,203 And he said, "Yes." 171 00:08:00,203 --> 00:08:03,310 [siren wails] 172 00:08:03,310 --> 00:08:06,002 And we get to the hospital... 173 00:08:07,314 --> 00:08:09,834 And eventually, 174 00:08:09,834 --> 00:08:13,216 the doctor comes in and says... 175 00:08:13,216 --> 00:08:20,189 ♪ ♪ 176 00:08:22,260 --> 00:08:23,503 "He didn't make it." 177 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,989 "He didn't make it." 178 00:08:28,300 --> 00:08:30,924 [sniffs] 179 00:08:30,924 --> 00:08:33,961 The doctor says, "He didn't make it." 180 00:08:33,961 --> 00:08:37,482 ♪ ♪ 181 00:08:37,482 --> 00:08:40,243 I fell to the floor. 182 00:08:40,243 --> 00:08:43,074 I couldn't believe it. 183 00:08:43,074 --> 00:08:45,939 Couldn't believe it. 184 00:08:47,941 --> 00:08:49,977 They hadn't told us the magnitude of his injuries 185 00:08:50,081 --> 00:08:51,772 at that point. 186 00:08:51,772 --> 00:08:54,741 But one of the trauma nurses that was in the room 187 00:08:54,741 --> 00:08:56,777 said, "Whatever what happened, 188 00:08:56,881 --> 00:09:01,092 he was trying to get outta there." 189 00:09:03,094 --> 00:09:06,028 [mellow country music] 190 00:09:06,028 --> 00:09:09,065 ♪ ♪ 191 00:09:09,169 --> 00:09:11,792 We are headed to Angier, North Carolina, 192 00:09:11,792 --> 00:09:16,866 which is a little tiny community outside of Raleigh. 193 00:09:16,866 --> 00:09:18,972 Angier's down here in Harnett County, 194 00:09:18,972 --> 00:09:20,732 North Carolina. 195 00:09:20,836 --> 00:09:22,665 It's a really little town. 196 00:09:22,769 --> 00:09:25,910 It's like a little over 5,000 people. 197 00:09:25,910 --> 00:09:27,808 Of all the places that we've traveled, 198 00:09:27,808 --> 00:09:31,778 this is place that I probably have the most connections. 199 00:09:31,881 --> 00:09:33,607 I have family that lives here. 200 00:09:33,711 --> 00:09:36,817 One of my very best friends from childhood lives here. 201 00:09:36,817 --> 00:09:38,578 You know, I've spent a lot of time 202 00:09:38,578 --> 00:09:42,340 in this part of North Carolina. 203 00:09:42,340 --> 00:09:45,308 This is a case where a local pastor, 204 00:09:45,412 --> 00:09:46,965 Pat Chisenhall, 205 00:09:47,069 --> 00:09:49,968 shot his son-in-law, Christian Griggs 206 00:09:49,968 --> 00:09:53,523 and all these years later, it is still not resolved 207 00:09:53,523 --> 00:09:57,113 for a lot of members of this community. 208 00:09:57,217 --> 00:09:58,563 When this shooting happened, 209 00:09:58,563 --> 00:10:01,635 the media immediately reported on it, 210 00:10:01,635 --> 00:10:04,396 but there is always more to the story 211 00:10:04,396 --> 00:10:07,641 than what you can get out of that initial headline. 212 00:10:07,641 --> 00:10:10,092 And so right now we are meeting 213 00:10:10,195 --> 00:10:11,852 with Robby Jessup. 214 00:10:11,852 --> 00:10:16,098 He is a local attorney who knows all about this town 215 00:10:16,098 --> 00:10:19,377 and this case. 216 00:10:19,377 --> 00:10:23,208 If you could walk me through what happened that day 217 00:10:23,312 --> 00:10:24,900 in October. 218 00:10:25,003 --> 00:10:28,697 Christian has arrived to pick up his daughter, 219 00:10:28,697 --> 00:10:30,871 and somehow this all dominos 220 00:10:30,975 --> 00:10:34,012 into Christian shot by Pat Chisenhall, 221 00:10:34,012 --> 00:10:35,048 his father-in-law. 222 00:10:35,151 --> 00:10:36,118 Yes. 223 00:10:36,118 --> 00:10:38,258 Katie was living immediately next door 224 00:10:38,361 --> 00:10:39,500 to Mr. Chisenhall. 225 00:10:39,500 --> 00:10:40,674 According to Katie, 226 00:10:40,674 --> 00:10:42,918 the night before the shooting, 227 00:10:42,918 --> 00:10:46,162 this is October 11th, 2013, 228 00:10:46,266 --> 00:10:48,786 Christian arrived to pick up Jaden 229 00:10:48,889 --> 00:10:54,619 and discovered Katie's neighbor has taken Jaden 230 00:10:54,619 --> 00:10:56,656 to the zoo that day. 231 00:10:56,656 --> 00:10:58,209 And according to Katie, 232 00:10:58,312 --> 00:11:02,489 Christian gets upset about that and attempts 233 00:11:02,489 --> 00:11:05,526 to enter the home through a window 234 00:11:05,526 --> 00:11:07,114 with an air condition unit. 235 00:11:07,114 --> 00:11:09,634 Mm-hmm. So then what happened? 236 00:11:09,634 --> 00:11:13,155 Christian leaves and then Katie goes that night 237 00:11:13,155 --> 00:11:16,676 and swears out herself with a magistrate 238 00:11:16,676 --> 00:11:18,885 misdemeanor warrants 239 00:11:18,885 --> 00:11:24,787 for damaging an air conditioner and for trespass. 240 00:11:24,891 --> 00:11:27,169 The following morning on the day of the shooting, 241 00:11:27,169 --> 00:11:29,447 Katie and Pat had gone 242 00:11:29,447 --> 00:11:32,588 to try to get a restraining order 243 00:11:32,588 --> 00:11:35,487 against Christian, which they never obtained. 244 00:11:35,487 --> 00:11:38,249 - Mm-hmm. - They are arriving back 245 00:11:38,249 --> 00:11:41,286 at Mr. Chisenhall's house. 246 00:11:41,286 --> 00:11:44,496 Christian showed up and there was an interaction 247 00:11:44,496 --> 00:11:47,292 with Christian for some period of time. 248 00:11:47,396 --> 00:11:48,673 Okay. 249 00:11:48,673 --> 00:11:53,505 When the police interview Pat and Katie, 250 00:11:53,505 --> 00:11:57,130 what is their version of what happened that morning? 251 00:11:57,130 --> 00:12:02,066 The police did a reenactment with Mr. Chisenhall 252 00:12:02,066 --> 00:12:05,863 of how exactly he claimed the shooting took place. 253 00:13:01,159 --> 00:13:05,267 While Katie is on that first 911 call, 254 00:13:05,267 --> 00:13:08,995 another call comes in from Pat Chisenhall. 255 00:13:20,454 --> 00:13:24,010 Chisenhall then says he goes in the residence 256 00:13:24,010 --> 00:13:27,151 and Christian is trying to come into the home. 257 00:13:51,934 --> 00:13:55,213 Pat Chisenhall claims he was in fear of his life. 258 00:14:11,298 --> 00:14:13,714 Mr. Chisenhall claims he shoots 259 00:14:13,714 --> 00:14:15,544 from inside of his living room 260 00:14:15,647 --> 00:14:19,065 at Christian, who is coming through that window. 261 00:14:19,065 --> 00:14:22,344 Okay. That's a scary story. 262 00:14:22,344 --> 00:14:25,761 What is Katie's version of what happened that morning? 263 00:14:25,761 --> 00:14:27,763 Katie says she was hiding in a closet 264 00:14:27,867 --> 00:14:30,490 and didn't see anything. 265 00:14:30,490 --> 00:14:34,080 What does law enforcement see when they get there? 266 00:14:34,183 --> 00:14:36,047 There were some photographs taken 267 00:14:36,047 --> 00:14:38,947 showing the condition of the residence. 268 00:14:38,947 --> 00:14:40,500 [shutter clicking] 269 00:14:40,500 --> 00:14:43,848 There was some fingerprint dusting done 270 00:14:43,848 --> 00:14:45,298 on a window screen. 271 00:14:45,298 --> 00:14:48,059 - Mm-hmm. - And inside of the house... 272 00:14:48,059 --> 00:14:49,716 [shutter clicking] 273 00:14:49,819 --> 00:14:52,167 Three shell casings were found. 274 00:14:52,270 --> 00:14:55,066 Can you tell me a little bit about Pat Chisenhall? 275 00:14:55,170 --> 00:14:58,311 Mr. Chisenhall was a reverend, 276 00:14:58,311 --> 00:15:02,832 operated the Abundant Life Ministry Center. 277 00:15:02,832 --> 00:15:05,870 His family was born and raised Harnett County, 278 00:15:05,870 --> 00:15:06,940 through and through Harnett County. 279 00:15:07,044 --> 00:15:09,874 Mm-hmm, and so the story 280 00:15:09,874 --> 00:15:12,118 that immediately starts circulating 281 00:15:12,221 --> 00:15:15,293 that Pat Chisenhall shot in self-defense... 282 00:15:15,293 --> 00:15:19,677 That narrative was put into the news immediately. 283 00:15:19,677 --> 00:15:22,611 New information tonight about a shooting in Harnett County. 284 00:15:22,611 --> 00:15:24,958 Investigators say no charges have been filed. 285 00:15:24,958 --> 00:15:27,616 They believe the pastor acted in self-defense. 286 00:15:27,616 --> 00:15:30,722 I was an investigative reporter at WRAL News 287 00:15:30,722 --> 00:15:32,414 here in Raleigh, North Carolina. 288 00:15:32,414 --> 00:15:35,072 At the time, we did not have a lot of information directly 289 00:15:35,072 --> 00:15:37,453 from the authorities, but we spoke to members 290 00:15:37,557 --> 00:15:40,284 of Pat's church, people who had talked to Pat 291 00:15:40,284 --> 00:15:42,355 and heard the stories from that day. 292 00:15:42,458 --> 00:15:46,186 His son-in-law had tried to break in the house, uh, 293 00:15:46,186 --> 00:15:48,119 threaten 'em, and, uh, 294 00:15:48,119 --> 00:15:51,812 he had no other recourse to do but what he did. 295 00:15:51,812 --> 00:15:54,229 It was in self-defense. 296 00:15:54,229 --> 00:15:56,817 As a result, the narrative that emerged 297 00:15:56,817 --> 00:15:59,234 was really Pat Chisenhall's narrative, 298 00:15:59,234 --> 00:16:02,720 that this was a case of self-defense, 299 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,411 and that was all there is to it. 300 00:16:04,515 --> 00:16:06,448 [twangy guitar music] 301 00:16:06,448 --> 00:16:08,450 After the shooting, we were home 302 00:16:08,553 --> 00:16:10,107 and we had the TV on, 303 00:16:10,107 --> 00:16:12,730 and the story came up on the news. 304 00:16:12,730 --> 00:16:17,424 And we were just astounded when we saw the photographs 305 00:16:17,424 --> 00:16:18,839 of the crime scene. 306 00:16:18,839 --> 00:16:22,567 The window had been bashed and pushed in and we thought, 307 00:16:22,567 --> 00:16:24,121 "That didn't look like that when we were there. 308 00:16:24,121 --> 00:16:25,570 That window wasn't like that." 309 00:16:25,570 --> 00:16:28,677 We're like, "What is going on here now?" 310 00:16:31,231 --> 00:16:33,923 [soft guitar music] 311 00:16:33,923 --> 00:16:39,860 312 00:16:39,860 --> 00:16:42,622 Right now we are driving over to meet with the parents 313 00:16:42,622 --> 00:16:43,968 of Christian Griggs. 314 00:16:43,968 --> 00:16:46,039 They're an army family 315 00:16:46,039 --> 00:16:48,662 and they moved here to give their kids, 316 00:16:48,662 --> 00:16:51,286 like, a great small-town life. 317 00:16:51,286 --> 00:16:53,667 It sadly went terribly wrong 318 00:16:53,667 --> 00:16:56,705 and it will be good to hear directly from them 319 00:16:56,705 --> 00:16:59,259 how everything unfolded. 320 00:16:59,259 --> 00:17:01,020 Hi. How are you? - Thank you so much... 321 00:17:01,020 --> 00:17:02,366 - Oh, I'm so happy to meet... - For coming. 322 00:17:02,366 --> 00:17:03,643 - You guys. - Thank you so much. 323 00:17:03,643 --> 00:17:04,851 - Thank you guys so much. - Well, come on in. 324 00:17:04,851 --> 00:17:06,853 Yes, I'll follow you. 325 00:17:06,853 --> 00:17:08,682 Oh, wow. Look. - Got some pictures out. 326 00:17:08,682 --> 00:17:11,168 Yeah, I wanna see everything. 327 00:17:11,271 --> 00:17:14,619 Yeah, this one was one of my favorite pictures 328 00:17:14,619 --> 00:17:16,621 from when he was in Iraq. 329 00:17:16,621 --> 00:17:19,659 [melancholy music] 330 00:17:19,659 --> 00:17:21,005 And this is-- [sighs] 331 00:17:21,005 --> 00:17:25,906 this is the flag that, uh... 332 00:17:25,906 --> 00:17:28,288 I did not want to receive 333 00:17:28,288 --> 00:17:30,877 when they take off the coffin and they give it to you. 334 00:17:30,877 --> 00:17:33,500 - The internment. - So... 335 00:17:33,500 --> 00:17:35,468 'Cause he's such a handsome kid. 336 00:17:35,468 --> 00:17:37,539 Thank you so much. 337 00:17:37,539 --> 00:17:39,782 What can you tell me about Christian? 338 00:17:39,782 --> 00:17:41,543 He was a very smart kid. 339 00:17:41,543 --> 00:17:43,683 He was in the National Honor Society, 340 00:17:43,683 --> 00:17:46,272 just always excelled in everything that he did, 341 00:17:46,272 --> 00:17:48,412 and Christian had a lot of friends. 342 00:17:48,412 --> 00:17:50,552 Yeah, Christian could make a friend anywhere. 343 00:17:50,552 --> 00:17:52,554 He never had an enemy. 344 00:17:52,554 --> 00:17:54,659 I was a good friend of Christian Griggs 345 00:17:54,659 --> 00:17:56,523 since elementary school. 346 00:17:56,523 --> 00:17:59,008 Christian was probably one of the most popular people. 347 00:17:59,008 --> 00:18:01,010 Everybody knew Christian Griggs. 348 00:18:01,010 --> 00:18:03,565 He was just really a bubbly personality, 349 00:18:03,565 --> 00:18:04,842 always smiling. 350 00:18:04,842 --> 00:18:06,085 I'm sure anybody would've loved 351 00:18:06,085 --> 00:18:08,328 to be Christian's girlfriend. 352 00:18:08,328 --> 00:18:11,331 Had he dated much in high school? 353 00:18:11,331 --> 00:18:13,264 I was told Christian had a lot of girlfriends, 354 00:18:13,264 --> 00:18:15,232 but he brought very few home, 355 00:18:15,232 --> 00:18:17,786 and then he met Katie. 356 00:18:17,786 --> 00:18:20,237 He was, I would say, almost head over heels, 357 00:18:20,340 --> 00:18:22,687 like, "I found this girl. She's good," you know? 358 00:18:22,687 --> 00:18:24,931 Especially in the beginning. 359 00:18:24,931 --> 00:18:26,243 He saw a lot in Katie. 360 00:18:26,243 --> 00:18:27,761 You know, she was ambitious, 361 00:18:27,761 --> 00:18:31,489 like goal-oriented the same way that he was. 362 00:18:31,489 --> 00:18:33,319 What did he want for his future? 363 00:18:33,319 --> 00:18:34,906 Did he wanna go to school? 364 00:18:34,906 --> 00:18:36,632 What did he want to study? 365 00:18:36,632 --> 00:18:39,083 Because of his academics, he was able to get 366 00:18:39,083 --> 00:18:41,430 a four-year ROTC scholarship. - Wow. 367 00:18:41,430 --> 00:18:43,087 Well, you guys were probably pretty excited about that. 368 00:18:43,087 --> 00:18:44,916 Yes, absolutely. 369 00:18:44,916 --> 00:18:46,470 - It's a win. - Yeah, oh, definitely. 370 00:18:46,470 --> 00:18:48,782 All he had to do was pick a school of choice. 371 00:18:48,782 --> 00:18:51,751 [soft music] 372 00:18:51,751 --> 00:18:53,718 ♪ ♪ 373 00:18:53,718 --> 00:18:56,825 You know, as he's getting closer to that leave date 374 00:18:56,825 --> 00:18:58,861 for college in senior year, 375 00:18:58,861 --> 00:19:00,622 is Katie a part of his plan? 376 00:19:00,622 --> 00:19:03,176 He never talked about long-term plans, 377 00:19:03,176 --> 00:19:05,385 but it was his senior year when Christian told us 378 00:19:05,385 --> 00:19:08,423 that Katie was pregnant. 379 00:19:08,423 --> 00:19:10,459 But he's already been accepted 380 00:19:10,459 --> 00:19:13,290 at, uh, North Carolina State University, 381 00:19:13,290 --> 00:19:17,017 uh, getting ready to go to school in July. 382 00:19:17,017 --> 00:19:19,986 So it was like wow. [laughs] 383 00:19:19,986 --> 00:19:22,609 It was a lot for him to take on. 384 00:19:22,609 --> 00:19:25,405 We told him that whatever he needed, 385 00:19:25,405 --> 00:19:27,269 we were there to help him, you know? 386 00:19:27,269 --> 00:19:28,684 But the best thing that you can do 387 00:19:28,684 --> 00:19:33,310 for Katie and for your new baby is to stay in school. 388 00:19:33,310 --> 00:19:35,208 When the baby is born, 389 00:19:35,208 --> 00:19:36,451 how did he handle that? 390 00:19:36,451 --> 00:19:39,488 He tried to go to school during the day, 391 00:19:39,488 --> 00:19:41,904 and when he got out of class, he would drive down to Angier 392 00:19:41,904 --> 00:19:43,389 to help her with the baby. 393 00:19:43,389 --> 00:19:45,632 He did this every single day. 394 00:19:45,632 --> 00:19:48,497 How long was he able to sustain that? 395 00:19:48,497 --> 00:19:51,569 Couple months and then he said that he was failing, 396 00:19:51,569 --> 00:19:53,951 couldn't concentrate, his grades was low 397 00:19:53,951 --> 00:19:55,780 and he just felt like the best thing he could do 398 00:19:55,780 --> 00:19:57,299 was just to join the military 399 00:19:57,299 --> 00:19:58,714 so that he could take care of his family. 400 00:19:58,714 --> 00:20:00,647 I don't think I've ever cried so hard in my life 401 00:20:00,647 --> 00:20:03,063 because he's just going through so much 402 00:20:03,063 --> 00:20:04,651 and there's nothing you can do... 403 00:20:04,651 --> 00:20:07,136 - Yeah. - But be there for him. 404 00:20:07,136 --> 00:20:09,311 Does he come back here to live? 405 00:20:09,311 --> 00:20:11,313 He went to go live with the Chisenhalls. 406 00:20:11,313 --> 00:20:13,936 Did he talk about his relationship 407 00:20:13,936 --> 00:20:15,973 with her family? 408 00:20:15,973 --> 00:20:17,216 Did he like them? 409 00:20:17,216 --> 00:20:19,701 He looked up to Pat, you know? 410 00:20:19,701 --> 00:20:22,497 But I don't think Pat was happy that his daughter fell in love 411 00:20:22,497 --> 00:20:25,051 with a Black man and Christian had a Black family. 412 00:20:25,051 --> 00:20:27,433 That's not what he wanted for his child. 413 00:20:27,433 --> 00:20:29,297 Christian had always kind of mentioned, 414 00:20:29,297 --> 00:20:31,333 like "I'm not sure if her dad likes me. 415 00:20:31,333 --> 00:20:33,680 "He's a old white guy, you know?" 416 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,580 Deeply rooted in Harnett County. 417 00:20:36,683 --> 00:20:38,029 I think that was tough for Christian 418 00:20:38,029 --> 00:20:39,893 because he was seeking acceptance 419 00:20:39,893 --> 00:20:41,964 from somebody who didn't want to give it to him, 420 00:20:41,964 --> 00:20:43,449 so there was a lot of things 421 00:20:43,449 --> 00:20:46,003 that were going against Christian and Katie. 422 00:20:46,003 --> 00:20:48,971 But in the beginning, they seemed to make it work 423 00:20:48,971 --> 00:20:51,526 and Katie's father was actually 424 00:20:51,526 --> 00:20:53,700 the--the presiding minister over the wedding. 425 00:20:53,700 --> 00:20:57,186 He was the one who actually married them. 426 00:20:57,186 --> 00:20:58,843 I did want things to work out for Christian, 427 00:20:58,843 --> 00:21:01,467 but I wasn't naive to see that the path 428 00:21:01,467 --> 00:21:03,710 was very challenging for him. 429 00:21:03,710 --> 00:21:10,648 ♪ ♪ 430 00:21:10,648 --> 00:21:14,721 I was here one evening and the phone rang. 431 00:21:14,721 --> 00:21:16,999 And I picked up the phone and it was Christian's voice 432 00:21:16,999 --> 00:21:18,587 on the other end. 433 00:21:18,587 --> 00:21:21,797 He said, "Dad, our convoy was out 434 00:21:21,797 --> 00:21:23,868 and the vehicle in front of me was hit." 435 00:21:23,868 --> 00:21:26,457 I said, "What do you mean, son, 'hit'?" 436 00:21:26,561 --> 00:21:28,735 He said it was an IED. 437 00:21:28,735 --> 00:21:31,048 ♪ ♪ 438 00:21:31,048 --> 00:21:34,879 My next question was... 439 00:21:34,983 --> 00:21:38,262 "Is everybody all right?" 440 00:21:38,262 --> 00:21:41,334 He said, "No, Dad. 441 00:21:41,334 --> 00:21:44,579 Some of my friends didn't make it." 442 00:21:45,856 --> 00:21:47,685 Having been in combat 443 00:21:47,685 --> 00:21:49,894 and experiencing that for myself, 444 00:21:49,894 --> 00:21:52,138 I could tell that it had changed the man 445 00:21:52,138 --> 00:21:55,072 in which Christian was. 446 00:21:55,072 --> 00:21:56,694 August 2011, 447 00:21:56,694 --> 00:21:58,627 Christian's ended his tour in Iraq 448 00:21:58,627 --> 00:22:00,767 and he's living with Katie, 449 00:22:00,767 --> 00:22:04,184 but it is clear that there is some turmoil there. 450 00:22:04,184 --> 00:22:07,118 I believe that Christian being deployed 451 00:22:07,118 --> 00:22:09,155 was difficult for Katie too, 452 00:22:09,155 --> 00:22:10,881 and I know Christian had a hard time 453 00:22:10,881 --> 00:22:12,952 when he came home. 454 00:22:12,952 --> 00:22:14,609 One of the things that my colleagues and I 455 00:22:14,609 --> 00:22:16,335 thought was really important with this case 456 00:22:16,335 --> 00:22:18,751 was to try to tell the full story, 457 00:22:18,751 --> 00:22:22,617 to try to, um, understand all of the factors 458 00:22:22,617 --> 00:22:24,550 that were coming into play 459 00:22:24,550 --> 00:22:27,069 that led them to this moment. 460 00:22:27,069 --> 00:22:28,968 [soft tense music] 461 00:22:28,968 --> 00:22:31,004 In May of 2012, 462 00:22:31,004 --> 00:22:35,423 Katie calls 911 and she told dispatchers 463 00:22:35,423 --> 00:22:38,115 that her husband was threatening 464 00:22:38,115 --> 00:22:39,875 to commit suicide, 465 00:22:39,875 --> 00:22:42,809 but the officer says he talked to Christian 466 00:22:42,809 --> 00:22:46,295 who basically said, "You know, I got this gun out of my safe 467 00:22:46,295 --> 00:22:48,677 mostly to scare my wife." 468 00:22:48,677 --> 00:22:50,817 But Christian did admit to being depressed 469 00:22:50,817 --> 00:22:53,889 since he returned home from overseas. 470 00:22:53,889 --> 00:22:56,236 It was serious enough that the officer 471 00:22:56,236 --> 00:23:00,309 took that gun for safekeeping. 472 00:23:00,309 --> 00:23:03,727 About four months later, Katie calls 911 again 473 00:23:03,727 --> 00:23:07,696 to say that Christian Griggs is suicidal, 474 00:23:07,696 --> 00:23:09,388 and when an officer arrives, 475 00:23:09,388 --> 00:23:11,597 Christian says, "I haven't talked to my wife 476 00:23:11,597 --> 00:23:14,427 "in a couple of hours, but we are separated 477 00:23:14,427 --> 00:23:17,465 and that separation has been a little rough." 478 00:23:17,465 --> 00:23:21,779 The very next day Katie calls the authorities again. 479 00:23:21,883 --> 00:23:23,781 And this time what she tells them 480 00:23:23,781 --> 00:23:27,026 is that Christian is outside of her home in Angier 481 00:23:27,026 --> 00:23:30,650 and he's angry about the custody situation. 482 00:23:30,650 --> 00:23:34,516 This is a theme that has begun to emerge in this separation. 483 00:23:34,516 --> 00:23:37,933 There are challenges between Katie and Christian 484 00:23:37,933 --> 00:23:40,488 over custody. 485 00:23:40,488 --> 00:23:42,041 Ultimately, Christian and Katie 486 00:23:42,041 --> 00:23:44,802 had pretty much officially called it quits, 487 00:23:44,802 --> 00:23:47,495 and he decided to get back in school. 488 00:23:48,288 --> 00:23:51,291 So there's been a pattern that's been established 489 00:23:51,291 --> 00:23:53,673 with custody of Jaden. 490 00:23:53,673 --> 00:23:56,676 Can you talk to me a little bit about what that looked like? 491 00:23:56,676 --> 00:23:58,954 He would have Jaden every other weekend. 492 00:23:58,954 --> 00:24:01,094 Did he typically pick her up on Friday nights, 493 00:24:01,094 --> 00:24:02,889 Saturday mornings? 494 00:24:02,889 --> 00:24:05,236 If he couldn't get her on Friday night, 495 00:24:05,236 --> 00:24:07,549 then he would come back the Saturday. 496 00:24:07,549 --> 00:24:10,759 One time he was here until like 7:00 at night Saturday 497 00:24:10,759 --> 00:24:12,692 and I know that he kept calling Katie 498 00:24:12,796 --> 00:24:14,694 just waiting for Jaden to get back. 499 00:24:14,694 --> 00:24:16,938 And so, you know, it's very upsetting 500 00:24:16,938 --> 00:24:18,284 'cause this is supposed to be his time 501 00:24:18,284 --> 00:24:19,561 with his daughter. 502 00:24:19,561 --> 00:24:22,219 That happened a lot. 503 00:24:22,219 --> 00:24:25,084 She made it difficult. 504 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:28,846 [dark ominous music] 505 00:24:28,846 --> 00:24:31,711 Saturday, October 12, 2013, 506 00:24:31,711 --> 00:24:34,887 what we know about what happened that day 507 00:24:34,887 --> 00:24:37,717 is sort of pieced together based on statements 508 00:24:37,717 --> 00:24:41,238 from people who were there and from these 911 calls. 509 00:24:51,041 --> 00:24:52,318 One of the things that's interesting about 510 00:24:52,318 --> 00:24:53,664 these 911 calls 511 00:24:53,664 --> 00:24:55,597 was that it's not entirely one-sided. 512 00:24:55,597 --> 00:24:57,841 You do hear Christian in the background. 513 00:25:02,052 --> 00:25:03,881 A very interesting and important fact 514 00:25:03,985 --> 00:25:07,989 is during Pat Chisenhall's 911 calls, 515 00:25:07,989 --> 00:25:10,163 Christian himself is on the phone, 516 00:25:10,163 --> 00:25:13,857 trying to reach an attorney and calling his father, 517 00:25:13,857 --> 00:25:16,618 and Christian was communicating to him 518 00:25:16,618 --> 00:25:19,863 he was the one feeling threatened by the Chisenhalls. 519 00:25:19,863 --> 00:25:22,210 ♪ ♪ 520 00:25:22,210 --> 00:25:23,660 We knew that there was no way 521 00:25:23,660 --> 00:25:26,179 that Christian was trying to break into their home 522 00:25:26,179 --> 00:25:29,666 because Christian's never done anything like that before. 523 00:25:29,666 --> 00:25:32,427 This was a narrative that they put out there. 524 00:25:32,427 --> 00:25:34,118 You talking about a young Black man 525 00:25:34,118 --> 00:25:37,466 being violent and going into someone's home 526 00:25:37,466 --> 00:25:39,054 and it's an interracial marriage. 527 00:25:39,054 --> 00:25:41,091 What's the first thing that's gonna come to your mind? 528 00:25:41,091 --> 00:25:42,402 He's justified. 529 00:25:42,402 --> 00:25:43,956 He should've got shot. 530 00:25:45,613 --> 00:25:48,650 So this is the narrative 531 00:25:48,650 --> 00:25:50,825 that gets put out into the community? 532 00:25:50,825 --> 00:25:52,447 That seems insurmountable. 533 00:25:52,447 --> 00:25:54,345 What happens after that? 534 00:25:54,345 --> 00:25:58,626 So when the autopsy report came in, I looked at it. 535 00:25:58,626 --> 00:26:02,491 It said he was shot four times in the back. 536 00:26:02,491 --> 00:26:05,529 I expected this man was gonna be arrested. 537 00:26:05,529 --> 00:26:06,910 I spoke with the district attorney 538 00:26:06,910 --> 00:26:09,809 Vernon Stewart and I say, "Well, 539 00:26:09,809 --> 00:26:11,155 "Christian was shot in the back. 540 00:26:11,155 --> 00:26:13,813 Why is it this man hasn't been charged?" 541 00:26:13,813 --> 00:26:15,608 He said, "Well, I can't just charge a man 542 00:26:15,608 --> 00:26:17,058 for shooting somebody in the back." 543 00:26:17,058 --> 00:26:18,749 And I say, "Well, under what pretenses 544 00:26:18,749 --> 00:26:20,579 "can you tell me it's acceptable 545 00:26:20,579 --> 00:26:22,684 to shoot a man in the back?" 546 00:26:22,684 --> 00:26:27,033 And his response was, "I'm not gonna fuss with you." 547 00:26:27,033 --> 00:26:29,449 Did they give you a reason why 548 00:26:29,449 --> 00:26:31,797 they're not gonna press charges? 549 00:26:31,797 --> 00:26:34,213 We found out because Pat Chisenhall said 550 00:26:34,213 --> 00:26:36,871 that Christian tried to break into their home. 551 00:26:36,871 --> 00:26:38,562 They were gonna try to use the Castle Doctrine 552 00:26:38,562 --> 00:26:39,598 in Christian's case. 553 00:26:39,598 --> 00:26:44,637 ♪ ♪ 554 00:26:44,637 --> 00:26:47,019 What that doctrine says 555 00:26:47,019 --> 00:26:50,885 is that if someone's coming into your house, 556 00:26:50,885 --> 00:26:52,783 there is a presumption 557 00:26:52,783 --> 00:26:54,613 that you are in fear of your life 558 00:26:54,613 --> 00:26:58,617 and you have a legal right to use deadly force. 559 00:26:58,617 --> 00:27:02,793 So Pat was largely portrayed as the victim. 560 00:27:02,793 --> 00:27:05,762 And law enforcement were extremely clear 561 00:27:05,762 --> 00:27:08,799 they were considering this self-defense 562 00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:11,837 and that no charges of any sort 563 00:27:11,837 --> 00:27:14,736 were ever going to be brought or pursued. 564 00:27:14,736 --> 00:27:17,843 [country music] 565 00:27:17,843 --> 00:27:19,016 ♪ ♪ 566 00:27:19,016 --> 00:27:21,018 I believe that people around here rely 567 00:27:21,018 --> 00:27:23,538 on their guns because they have the right to. 568 00:27:23,538 --> 00:27:25,574 It's, uh, their Second Amendment right 569 00:27:25,574 --> 00:27:27,715 to bear arms so they feel like 570 00:27:27,715 --> 00:27:30,683 they can take things into their own hands. 571 00:27:30,683 --> 00:27:33,134 If you come into my home unannounced, 572 00:27:33,134 --> 00:27:35,999 then I have every right to defend myself. 573 00:27:35,999 --> 00:27:38,001 If I see someone else in danger, 574 00:27:38,001 --> 00:27:41,418 absolutely, but I believe it should be the last resort. 575 00:27:41,418 --> 00:27:45,422 When you take it upon yourself to be God for a moment, 576 00:27:45,422 --> 00:27:47,010 now you show me where that's right. 577 00:27:47,010 --> 00:27:49,668 You show me what scripture validates that 578 00:27:49,668 --> 00:27:52,153 and then we'll have another conversation. 579 00:27:52,153 --> 00:27:54,189 ♪ ♪ 580 00:27:54,189 --> 00:27:58,262 I'm just baffled because someone being shot in the back 581 00:27:58,262 --> 00:28:01,541 is huge red flag. 582 00:28:01,541 --> 00:28:06,374 To not investigate is just a bold decision 583 00:28:06,374 --> 00:28:07,478 for someone to make. 584 00:28:07,582 --> 00:28:09,170 They said that Pat Chisenhall 585 00:28:09,170 --> 00:28:12,898 was an outstanding person in the community 586 00:28:12,898 --> 00:28:16,246 and that he didn't deserve this and that this boy, 587 00:28:16,246 --> 00:28:19,180 Christian, was standing on Pat Chisenhall's front porch. 588 00:28:19,180 --> 00:28:21,251 And that's reason enough to get shot? 589 00:28:21,251 --> 00:28:23,149 That's what they told us. 590 00:28:23,149 --> 00:28:25,358 I mean, what's the definition of that? 591 00:28:25,358 --> 00:28:28,154 Who picks and chooses who the upstanding members 592 00:28:28,154 --> 00:28:29,673 of the community are? 593 00:28:29,673 --> 00:28:32,503 The sheriff department based off only your color 594 00:28:32,503 --> 00:28:34,057 of your skin. 595 00:28:34,057 --> 00:28:38,682 They call it here "prosecutorial discretion." 596 00:28:38,682 --> 00:28:40,857 You are pushing to keep the case open, 597 00:28:40,857 --> 00:28:42,375 to have charges brought. 598 00:28:42,375 --> 00:28:45,447 You are finally told, "This is an upstanding member 599 00:28:45,447 --> 00:28:46,794 of this community," 600 00:28:46,794 --> 00:28:51,522 meaning a generational son of this community, 601 00:28:51,522 --> 00:28:53,421 also a white member of this community, 602 00:28:53,524 --> 00:28:55,423 also a reverend. 603 00:28:55,423 --> 00:28:58,322 "We are going to side with him." 604 00:28:58,322 --> 00:29:00,635 What's your next step? 605 00:29:00,635 --> 00:29:03,431 We pursue looking for an attorney 606 00:29:03,431 --> 00:29:05,467 and we got private investigators 607 00:29:05,467 --> 00:29:07,780 to look into our case. 608 00:29:07,780 --> 00:29:10,921 When I saw the inconsistencies 609 00:29:10,921 --> 00:29:14,304 with the narrative that had been told 610 00:29:14,304 --> 00:29:16,099 and the physical evidence, 611 00:29:16,099 --> 00:29:18,929 I immediately decided this was a situation 612 00:29:18,929 --> 00:29:21,069 where I wanted to help. 613 00:29:21,069 --> 00:29:23,900 When you first met with Tony and Dolly, 614 00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:25,211 what happened? 615 00:29:25,211 --> 00:29:28,836 They showed me the medical examiner's report. 616 00:29:28,836 --> 00:29:31,286 Christian was shot six times, 617 00:29:31,286 --> 00:29:34,082 once in the shoulder, once in the abdomen, 618 00:29:34,082 --> 00:29:35,808 four times in the back. 619 00:29:35,912 --> 00:29:41,262 So this issue of Christian coming through the window, 620 00:29:41,262 --> 00:29:44,127 being the aggressor, does it make sense 621 00:29:44,127 --> 00:29:46,508 with the medical examiner's report? 622 00:29:46,508 --> 00:29:48,407 - Absolutely not. - Okay. 623 00:29:48,407 --> 00:29:51,720 Common sense, if you're coming face forward 624 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,274 through a window... - Mm-hmm. 625 00:29:53,274 --> 00:29:56,346 How do you get four bullets in your back? 626 00:29:56,346 --> 00:29:59,280 Moreover, the trajectory of those bullets indicate 627 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,869 that he was laying on the ground 628 00:30:01,869 --> 00:30:05,286 facedown at the time the shots were fired. 629 00:30:05,286 --> 00:30:08,737 We also know that the second bullet 630 00:30:08,737 --> 00:30:11,223 to the back paralyzed Christian. 631 00:30:11,223 --> 00:30:13,950 So there's no way he could've crawled from the window 632 00:30:13,950 --> 00:30:15,365 over into that corner? 633 00:30:15,365 --> 00:30:17,746 Where he was found is where he was shot. 634 00:30:17,746 --> 00:30:19,852 No way could he have crawled. 635 00:30:19,852 --> 00:30:23,545 There was no evidence of anybody dragging his body. 636 00:30:23,545 --> 00:30:24,995 No evidence of blood anywhere 637 00:30:24,995 --> 00:30:27,204 except immediately under the body. 638 00:30:27,204 --> 00:30:28,688 There was not blood at the window? 639 00:30:28,688 --> 00:30:29,724 No blood on the window. 640 00:30:29,724 --> 00:30:32,554 ♪ ♪ 641 00:30:32,554 --> 00:30:34,902 Were the shots to his shoulder 642 00:30:34,902 --> 00:30:37,283 and his abdomen life-threatening? 643 00:30:37,283 --> 00:30:39,872 No, according to the medical examiner, 644 00:30:39,872 --> 00:30:42,323 both those shots were easily survivable. 645 00:30:42,323 --> 00:30:46,154 The fatal shots were the shots to the back. 646 00:30:46,154 --> 00:30:50,158 And was he a threat laying facedown on the porch? 647 00:30:50,158 --> 00:30:52,540 Does the Castle Doctrine apply 648 00:30:52,540 --> 00:30:54,507 to the death of Christian Griggs? 649 00:30:54,507 --> 00:30:57,200 As I see it, absolutely not. 650 00:31:00,099 --> 00:31:01,756 [somber music] 651 00:31:01,756 --> 00:31:03,758 On the surface, this looks like 652 00:31:03,758 --> 00:31:06,588 a right-to-defend-your-home story, 653 00:31:06,588 --> 00:31:09,695 but it takes very little effort 654 00:31:09,798 --> 00:31:13,078 to scratch that veneer and realize 655 00:31:13,078 --> 00:31:18,359 that this case demands a thorough investigation. 656 00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:21,086 Someone who did an extensive amount of digging 657 00:31:21,086 --> 00:31:24,537 in this case is Lee Denney. 658 00:31:24,641 --> 00:31:27,230 I'm Lee Denney. I'm a private investigator, 659 00:31:27,230 --> 00:31:30,819 and I'm a North Carolina concealed carry instructor. 660 00:31:30,819 --> 00:31:37,205 In 2014, I was contacted by Griggs' legal team 661 00:31:37,205 --> 00:31:39,276 asking if I wanted to get involved 662 00:31:39,380 --> 00:31:42,038 in their investigation of the case. 663 00:31:42,141 --> 00:31:46,870 Let's talk about Pat Chisenhall's narrative. 664 00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:50,080 In his walk-through video, he says... 665 00:31:50,184 --> 00:31:52,048 I ran right here. 666 00:31:52,048 --> 00:31:54,360 He went to his closet. 667 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,811 He got his gun. 668 00:31:56,811 --> 00:32:00,297 I grabbed that, and I came running in here. 669 00:32:00,297 --> 00:32:03,438 He came back into the living room, 670 00:32:03,438 --> 00:32:05,682 Christian was coming through the window, 671 00:32:05,682 --> 00:32:07,615 and he fired from behind that couch. 672 00:32:07,615 --> 00:32:11,930 I think I fired from here. 673 00:32:12,033 --> 00:32:14,277 What is the probability of that being true? 674 00:32:14,277 --> 00:32:16,348 Zero. 675 00:32:16,348 --> 00:32:19,213 Pat said he was shooting almost directly at the window, 676 00:32:19,213 --> 00:32:21,732 but there were no holes in the shades, curtains, 677 00:32:21,732 --> 00:32:23,631 or through the lower glass pane. 678 00:32:23,734 --> 00:32:26,737 You see the improbability of Christian being able 679 00:32:26,737 --> 00:32:30,431 to climb in here and then take all the shots that he took 680 00:32:30,431 --> 00:32:34,262 without bullets passing through the bottom part of the window 681 00:32:34,366 --> 00:32:35,781 or anywhere else. 682 00:32:35,781 --> 00:32:36,885 It doesn't add up. 683 00:32:36,885 --> 00:32:38,094 No missed shots? 684 00:32:38,197 --> 00:32:39,819 Right. 685 00:32:39,819 --> 00:32:42,063 To hit a moving target 686 00:32:42,063 --> 00:32:45,411 with all of your shots is difficult. 687 00:32:45,411 --> 00:32:48,483 To stand there and do all that shooting 688 00:32:48,587 --> 00:32:51,797 and not miss, pretty much impossible. 689 00:32:51,797 --> 00:32:52,798 Hmm. 690 00:32:52,798 --> 00:32:54,317 Theoretically, 691 00:32:54,317 --> 00:32:57,492 where could these shots have taken place 692 00:32:57,596 --> 00:32:59,184 where there wouldn't be any stray bullets? 693 00:32:59,184 --> 00:33:02,049 Outside on the front porch. 694 00:33:02,049 --> 00:33:04,120 - Uh-huh. - Which'd be why his body 695 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,054 was laying down in the position that he was laying 696 00:33:07,054 --> 00:33:11,265 and the angle of the bullets in his back. 697 00:33:12,956 --> 00:33:15,890 Then there's the shell casings that were found. 698 00:33:15,890 --> 00:33:18,099 [shutter clicking] 699 00:33:18,099 --> 00:33:20,757 You should be finding six somewhere in here. 700 00:33:20,757 --> 00:33:22,931 We asked law enforcement if they searched 701 00:33:22,931 --> 00:33:24,657 and they said they did and they only found 702 00:33:24,761 --> 00:33:26,935 these three shell casings. 703 00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:29,007 But how long did they search? 704 00:33:29,007 --> 00:33:31,837 I think they were there that day, that evening 705 00:33:31,940 --> 00:33:34,288 and--and left. 706 00:33:34,391 --> 00:33:36,290 Had people been allowed to come on to the scene? 707 00:33:36,290 --> 00:33:38,913 I believe--I believe the Chisenhalls came back 708 00:33:38,913 --> 00:33:41,364 later that night to the house. 709 00:33:41,364 --> 00:33:43,193 While there was still missing evidence? 710 00:33:43,193 --> 00:33:46,472 Yes, apparently so. 711 00:33:46,472 --> 00:33:49,268 Also, the three shell casings were found 712 00:33:49,268 --> 00:33:51,201 within about 12 inches of each other. 713 00:33:51,201 --> 00:33:53,583 - Mm-hmm. - Which is, I would say, 714 00:33:53,583 --> 00:33:55,688 more than highly unusual. 715 00:33:55,688 --> 00:33:57,242 The shell casings come out. 716 00:33:57,242 --> 00:33:59,451 They're ejected to the right. 717 00:33:59,451 --> 00:34:03,524 For three to be found all together like that, 718 00:34:03,627 --> 00:34:06,182 that's not realistic. 719 00:34:06,182 --> 00:34:10,358 My impression, knowing how that firearm operates, 720 00:34:10,358 --> 00:34:14,500 seeing furniture, walls, and all that, 721 00:34:14,500 --> 00:34:17,227 tells me that those were collected 722 00:34:17,331 --> 00:34:20,817 and thrown over there. 723 00:34:20,817 --> 00:34:23,268 That's-- [sighs] 724 00:34:23,371 --> 00:34:26,029 It is the most probable thing, 725 00:34:26,029 --> 00:34:28,480 but it's also damning. 726 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,104 Sure, sure it is because it brings the question: 727 00:34:32,104 --> 00:34:33,692 who did it? - Uh-huh. 728 00:34:33,692 --> 00:34:36,419 ♪ ♪ 729 00:34:36,419 --> 00:34:39,456 According to the crime scene log, 730 00:34:39,456 --> 00:34:42,632 while police are still on the scene, 731 00:34:42,632 --> 00:34:46,774 Mr. Chisenhall's son, Pat Chisenhall, Jr, 732 00:34:46,774 --> 00:34:50,605 is allowed to come in and out of the crime scene 733 00:34:50,709 --> 00:34:53,021 on two separate occasions. 734 00:34:53,021 --> 00:34:55,990 Certainly under no circumstances 735 00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:58,475 would you want a family member 736 00:34:58,475 --> 00:35:00,615 of a person who had just shot a man 737 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,273 coming in and out of that shooting scene 738 00:35:03,273 --> 00:35:07,381 that is currently under investigation. 739 00:35:07,484 --> 00:35:10,832 All of these pieces put together say what to you? 740 00:35:10,832 --> 00:35:14,181 I'm thinking that this is not a self-defense shooting. 741 00:35:14,181 --> 00:35:17,667 Why aren't we charging Mr. Chisenhall? 742 00:35:17,770 --> 00:35:22,534 I scheduled a meeting with the medical examiner, 743 00:35:22,534 --> 00:35:24,501 Dr. Scott. 744 00:35:24,501 --> 00:35:28,540 She said that she agreed with my theory. 745 00:35:28,643 --> 00:35:32,130 We got to the facts that it was not self-defense, 746 00:35:32,233 --> 00:35:35,926 but they still refused to do the right thing. 747 00:35:35,926 --> 00:35:38,446 I realized that the Harnett County 748 00:35:38,446 --> 00:35:40,759 Sheriff Department and DA wasn't going to do anything, 749 00:35:40,759 --> 00:35:42,968 so I had two choices to make. 750 00:35:42,968 --> 00:35:45,695 I had a choice to sit back and accept it 751 00:35:45,695 --> 00:35:47,869 or I had a choice to fight. 752 00:35:47,869 --> 00:35:48,939 So I decided to fight. 753 00:35:52,702 --> 00:35:54,704 The DA had said pretty explicitly, 754 00:35:54,704 --> 00:35:56,119 "We're not gonna charge." 755 00:35:56,119 --> 00:35:58,156 Sheriff's department said pretty explicitly 756 00:35:58,156 --> 00:35:59,571 that they thought this was a clear-cut case 757 00:35:59,571 --> 00:36:02,090 of self-defense, but there was a civil question 758 00:36:02,194 --> 00:36:04,300 at the heart of this about whether or not 759 00:36:04,300 --> 00:36:07,165 Pat Chisenhall was responsible for the wrongful death 760 00:36:07,165 --> 00:36:09,028 of Christian Griggs. 761 00:36:09,028 --> 00:36:11,962 [soft music] 762 00:36:11,962 --> 00:36:16,208 763 00:36:16,208 --> 00:36:19,384 I wondered, "Could we ever convince the community, 764 00:36:19,384 --> 00:36:21,524 "the jury, to break from the narrative 765 00:36:21,524 --> 00:36:24,043 that was put out there from the very start?" 766 00:36:24,147 --> 00:36:26,977 [tense music] 767 00:36:27,081 --> 00:36:28,565 Over the course of the trial, 768 00:36:28,565 --> 00:36:30,947 we put multiple county employees 769 00:36:31,050 --> 00:36:32,535 in the witness box. 770 00:36:32,535 --> 00:36:36,401 We questioned them about the missing shell casings, 771 00:36:36,401 --> 00:36:39,956 the evidence, and the timing of the 911 calls. 772 00:36:45,686 --> 00:36:50,000 Two seconds after Pat's first 911 call ends, 773 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,245 Katie calls 911 for a second time. 774 00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:54,833 At that point in time, 775 00:36:54,833 --> 00:36:57,560 we know Pat and Christian are out in the yard. 776 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,287 There was no time for Christian 777 00:37:00,390 --> 00:37:02,634 to have broken into that house. 778 00:37:06,293 --> 00:37:09,157 Pat's second 911 call starts 779 00:37:09,157 --> 00:37:11,712 during Katie's second 911 call. 780 00:37:16,268 --> 00:37:18,339 Based upon the overlap, 781 00:37:18,339 --> 00:37:21,239 we know Christian had to have been shot 782 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,449 during Katie's second 911 call. 783 00:37:24,449 --> 00:37:26,830 But on Katie's second 911 call, 784 00:37:26,830 --> 00:37:29,039 you don't hear any gunshots. 785 00:37:33,665 --> 00:37:36,254 That says to me Katie was nowhere close 786 00:37:36,254 --> 00:37:37,634 to the gunfire, 787 00:37:37,634 --> 00:37:41,500 which says to me the shooting had to be outside. 788 00:37:41,500 --> 00:37:44,365 I think the biggest moment in the trial 789 00:37:44,365 --> 00:37:47,713 was when Mr. Chisenhall took the stand. 790 00:37:47,713 --> 00:37:52,822 He blanketly claimed a general lack of recollection 791 00:37:52,822 --> 00:37:54,410 of anything at all 792 00:37:54,410 --> 00:37:56,860 when those four bullets would have been discharged 793 00:37:56,860 --> 00:37:58,448 into Christian's back. 794 00:37:58,448 --> 00:38:00,001 I have no memory of it, so... 795 00:38:00,001 --> 00:38:02,003 At the time of the walk-through 796 00:38:02,107 --> 00:38:05,662 with the police, Pat seems to have a good recollection 797 00:38:05,662 --> 00:38:08,631 of how he contends the shooting occurred. 798 00:38:08,631 --> 00:38:11,703 I think I fired from here. 799 00:38:11,703 --> 00:38:14,671 By the time we get to the civil trial 800 00:38:14,671 --> 00:38:18,192 and I've taken Mr. Chisenhall's deposition, 801 00:38:18,192 --> 00:38:20,263 he can't remember a damn thing. 802 00:38:20,367 --> 00:38:23,887 As far as the shooting goes, the incident itself, 803 00:38:23,887 --> 00:38:28,133 anything after the glass broke, I don't remember anything. 804 00:38:28,133 --> 00:38:31,481 At the end, it was a relatively short 805 00:38:31,481 --> 00:38:32,793 jury deliberation. 806 00:38:32,793 --> 00:38:35,830 The verdict was broadcast on local media. 807 00:38:35,830 --> 00:38:37,384 The jury took an hour and a half 808 00:38:37,487 --> 00:38:39,109 to come back with a decision. 809 00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:41,146 Pat Chisenhall, an Angier pastor, 810 00:38:41,146 --> 00:38:44,011 was not justified when he shot and killed his son-in-law, 811 00:38:44,011 --> 00:38:46,047 Christian Griggs. 812 00:38:46,151 --> 00:38:49,050 [somber music] 813 00:38:49,154 --> 00:38:54,332 ♪ ♪ 814 00:38:54,435 --> 00:38:56,886 We've proven that it was not self-defense. 815 00:38:56,886 --> 00:38:59,406 We've got a jury verdict. 816 00:38:59,406 --> 00:39:01,442 They've got to arrest this guy now. 817 00:39:01,442 --> 00:39:03,686 They've got to do the right thing. 818 00:39:03,686 --> 00:39:05,998 But they didn't do anything. 819 00:39:06,102 --> 00:39:07,621 The day after the verdict, 820 00:39:07,621 --> 00:39:10,486 the sheriff issued a statement 821 00:39:10,486 --> 00:39:13,696 saying there would be no further investigation 822 00:39:13,696 --> 00:39:17,596 and there would be no criminal charges. 823 00:39:17,596 --> 00:39:19,909 And they still have not done anything. 824 00:39:19,909 --> 00:39:22,636 The new DA that we have has not shown any interest. 825 00:39:22,739 --> 00:39:24,258 We've called her. She hasn't even returned 826 00:39:24,258 --> 00:39:25,604 our phone calls. 827 00:39:25,604 --> 00:39:27,537 Josh Stein, the attorney general, 828 00:39:27,641 --> 00:39:28,883 needs to intervene. 829 00:39:28,883 --> 00:39:30,747 The Department of Justice needs to come down 830 00:39:30,747 --> 00:39:33,440 and investigate the Harnett County Sheriff's Department. 831 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,234 They need to do something. 832 00:39:35,338 --> 00:39:38,479 ♪ ♪ 833 00:39:38,479 --> 00:39:40,343 I'm supposed to remain impartial 834 00:39:40,447 --> 00:39:43,035 as a storyteller, but it makes me mad 835 00:39:43,035 --> 00:39:45,624 that there's no oversight. 836 00:39:45,624 --> 00:39:49,490 A young man was shot in the back in broad daylight 837 00:39:49,490 --> 00:39:53,874 and no one has ever been held accountable for it. 838 00:39:53,874 --> 00:39:56,566 Thank you guys for bringing me here. 839 00:39:56,566 --> 00:39:58,361 How often do you come out? 840 00:39:58,361 --> 00:40:03,331 Um, I try to come out, um, once a week. 841 00:40:03,331 --> 00:40:05,851 - Is this him? - Mm-hmm. 842 00:40:05,851 --> 00:40:08,682 Mm-hmm. 843 00:40:11,236 --> 00:40:12,789 I just... 844 00:40:12,789 --> 00:40:14,550 You guys put her picture on here with-- 845 00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:16,483 both: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 846 00:40:16,483 --> 00:40:18,692 We also did this bench for him 847 00:40:18,692 --> 00:40:20,625 that Jaden can always have it 848 00:40:20,625 --> 00:40:22,661 to come out and just sit with him. 849 00:40:22,661 --> 00:40:25,215 How important is it to have her know 850 00:40:25,319 --> 00:40:26,838 how much her dad loved her? 851 00:40:26,838 --> 00:40:30,013 To know that the reason that he's not here today 852 00:40:30,013 --> 00:40:33,603 was because he was trying to have her a part of his life. 853 00:40:33,603 --> 00:40:35,225 It's very important. 854 00:40:35,225 --> 00:40:39,989 855 00:40:40,092 --> 00:40:42,509 Nothing's gonna bring Christian Griggs back. 856 00:40:42,509 --> 00:40:44,925 His family has this space. 857 00:40:44,925 --> 00:40:46,892 They've created a beautiful spot 858 00:40:46,892 --> 00:40:49,826 for his daughter to visit one day. 859 00:40:49,930 --> 00:40:52,242 And what they're asking for isn't big. 860 00:40:52,346 --> 00:40:54,382 They're asking for the bare minimum. 861 00:40:54,382 --> 00:40:56,902 They're asking for an investigation. 862 00:40:56,902 --> 00:40:59,871 They're asking for some oversight. 863 00:40:59,871 --> 00:41:02,736 These are people who have served their country. 864 00:41:02,736 --> 00:41:05,739 They've served their community, 865 00:41:05,739 --> 00:41:09,087 and I wanna know who's serving them. 866 00:41:09,087 --> 00:41:16,128 ♪ ♪ 63464

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