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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,794 --> 00:00:03,520 The people were asleep. 2 00:00:04,832 --> 00:00:07,179 Someone had entered the bedroom, 3 00:00:07,179 --> 00:00:11,114 fired bullets into the two victims, 4 00:00:11,114 --> 00:00:13,496 and set the house on fire. 5 00:00:14,704 --> 00:00:16,188 This really isn't the kind of crime 6 00:00:16,292 --> 00:00:17,603 that you see in small towns. 7 00:00:17,707 --> 00:00:19,536 It's an execution. 8 00:00:20,537 --> 00:00:23,678 In the three years leading up to their death, 9 00:00:23,782 --> 00:00:26,095 the Kolesnikows had been in, 10 00:00:26,095 --> 00:00:29,684 like, a lot of legal disputes. 11 00:00:29,684 --> 00:00:32,066 He said, "Greg talked about hiring a hitman 12 00:00:32,066 --> 00:00:34,413 to take care of the Kolesnikows." 13 00:00:34,517 --> 00:00:36,795 Our question isn't, "Who had motive?" 14 00:00:36,898 --> 00:00:38,624 Because a lot of people had motive. 15 00:00:38,624 --> 00:00:42,076 He had 26 eviction lawsuits that he had filed. 16 00:00:42,180 --> 00:00:46,080 This is about, which one of them did it? 17 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,014 [dramatic music] 18 00:00:49,118 --> 00:00:53,398 ♪ ♪ 19 00:00:54,123 --> 00:00:57,229 [dark country music] 20 00:00:57,333 --> 00:01:00,232 ♪ ♪ 21 00:01:00,232 --> 00:01:03,339 Cookeville is like a college town. 22 00:01:03,339 --> 00:01:05,030 It's close enough to Nashville 23 00:01:05,030 --> 00:01:07,446 that there's, you know, stuff going on. 24 00:01:07,550 --> 00:01:11,209 You've got access to culture and art. 25 00:01:11,209 --> 00:01:13,073 It's a little bit urban and a little bit-- 26 00:01:13,073 --> 00:01:15,144 a little bit country. 27 00:01:15,247 --> 00:01:17,042 You got a bunch of good old country folks. 28 00:01:17,042 --> 00:01:19,320 Um, I mean, I can say that my family is. 29 00:01:20,425 --> 00:01:23,290 Shoot your gun when you want. Play music where you want. 30 00:01:23,393 --> 00:01:25,740 Drive off the road where you want. 31 00:01:26,603 --> 00:01:28,088 What's really beautiful about this area 32 00:01:28,191 --> 00:01:29,951 is that it is the heartland of America. 33 00:01:30,055 --> 00:01:33,507 You know, you could come here with whatever dream you have, 34 00:01:33,610 --> 00:01:37,994 and with hard work, you know, the dreams are realized. 35 00:01:37,994 --> 00:01:40,307 You see a lot of that in Tennessee. 36 00:01:41,618 --> 00:01:44,345 The case that we're looking into here, 37 00:01:44,345 --> 00:01:47,486 different people in this community all had big dreams. 38 00:01:47,486 --> 00:01:50,248 And some of them went horribly wrong. 39 00:01:51,732 --> 00:01:54,044 Victor Kolesnikow and his wife, Alla, 40 00:01:54,148 --> 00:01:56,116 were a couple from the Ukraine, 41 00:01:56,116 --> 00:01:58,187 and the community members here 42 00:01:58,290 --> 00:02:00,465 referred to them as "the foreigners." 43 00:02:00,568 --> 00:02:02,294 Or "the Germans" or "the Russians." 44 00:02:02,294 --> 00:02:03,985 You know, nobody could quite put their finger 45 00:02:03,985 --> 00:02:07,127 on what their background was. 46 00:02:08,369 --> 00:02:10,889 They retired here, and it was their American dream. 47 00:02:10,889 --> 00:02:13,305 And they started working in real estate 48 00:02:13,305 --> 00:02:16,550 and really saw the potential in a beautiful place like this. 49 00:02:18,793 --> 00:02:20,554 But in 1998, 50 00:02:20,657 --> 00:02:24,144 the Kolesnikows were murdered here in Cookeville. 51 00:02:24,247 --> 00:02:26,111 And to this day, 52 00:02:26,215 --> 00:02:28,527 there are a number of people in the community 53 00:02:28,527 --> 00:02:31,427 who still feel like justice hasn't been served. 54 00:02:38,710 --> 00:02:41,161 [dramatic music] 55 00:02:51,136 --> 00:02:52,862 The call come in from a neighbor 56 00:02:52,862 --> 00:02:54,450 across the street. 57 00:03:00,421 --> 00:03:02,596 The fire department arrived. 58 00:03:04,563 --> 00:03:07,221 At that time, there was no indication 59 00:03:07,325 --> 00:03:09,189 that anybody was in the house. 60 00:03:25,791 --> 00:03:28,000 By the time the fire was suppressed, 61 00:03:28,104 --> 00:03:30,624 the house had suffered massive damage. 62 00:03:32,591 --> 00:03:34,835 Local departmental investigators 63 00:03:34,835 --> 00:03:36,250 called for assistance 64 00:03:36,250 --> 00:03:38,563 from the State Fire Marshal's Office. 65 00:03:38,563 --> 00:03:41,566 I was one of the first team members to arrive. 66 00:03:41,566 --> 00:03:43,395 The skeletal remains of the house 67 00:03:43,395 --> 00:03:44,879 are still smoldering from a fire 68 00:03:44,879 --> 00:03:48,193 that started around 3:30 a.m. Wednesday morning. 69 00:03:48,193 --> 00:03:49,781 State Fire Marshal investigators 70 00:03:49,884 --> 00:03:53,233 sift through the ashes looking for clues. 71 00:03:53,233 --> 00:03:56,788 We entered into the house. 72 00:03:56,788 --> 00:03:59,825 There was massive damage. 73 00:04:00,757 --> 00:04:04,520 The roof over the bedroom was completely burned away. 74 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,901 And there were two bodies on the bed. 75 00:04:07,868 --> 00:04:10,733 Both people were dead from gunshot wounds. 76 00:04:12,700 --> 00:04:15,841 We recovered several 9-millimeter rounds 77 00:04:15,841 --> 00:04:17,809 from in and around the body. 78 00:04:19,742 --> 00:04:23,539 An accelerant had been poured in the room 79 00:04:23,642 --> 00:04:26,058 and the house is set on fire. 80 00:04:28,129 --> 00:04:29,407 This was no random fire. 81 00:04:29,407 --> 00:04:32,824 This was intentional to cover up the murders. 82 00:04:35,033 --> 00:04:37,277 My name is Linda Bowsman. 83 00:04:37,277 --> 00:04:38,830 At the time of the murders, 84 00:04:38,933 --> 00:04:42,351 I was judicial assistant for an appellate court judge. 85 00:04:43,455 --> 00:04:44,974 When law enforcement spoke with the neighbors, 86 00:04:44,974 --> 00:04:47,390 they didn't know much. 87 00:04:47,390 --> 00:04:49,427 No one saw a person there. 88 00:04:49,530 --> 00:04:52,430 There really wasn't much for law enforcement to go on. 89 00:04:54,363 --> 00:04:58,125 Working in a small town in law enforcement, 90 00:04:58,125 --> 00:04:59,471 everybody knows everybody. 91 00:04:59,471 --> 00:05:01,301 Everybody knows everybody's business. 92 00:05:01,301 --> 00:05:04,442 You know, our job was just to dig up 93 00:05:04,442 --> 00:05:06,858 the facts that we could find. 94 00:05:08,584 --> 00:05:09,964 Like a lot of small town murders, 95 00:05:09,964 --> 00:05:12,726 this case didn't get a lot of national attention. 96 00:05:12,829 --> 00:05:16,005 The only person who really covered it extensively 97 00:05:16,005 --> 00:05:17,351 was Rabia Chaudry 98 00:05:17,351 --> 00:05:19,629 with her podcast, "Undisclosed." 99 00:05:19,629 --> 00:05:22,701 I really hope Rabia can give us a framework 100 00:05:22,701 --> 00:05:26,326 for understanding this very complex small town case. 101 00:05:28,258 --> 00:05:29,363 Hello? 102 00:05:29,363 --> 00:05:30,571 Hi. Hi, Hilarie. 103 00:05:30,571 --> 00:05:31,848 Hi, Rabia. How are you? 104 00:05:31,952 --> 00:05:34,023 Good. How are you? Nice to meet you. 105 00:05:35,507 --> 00:05:36,784 You did so much research. 106 00:05:36,888 --> 00:05:40,270 So what can you tell us about this case? 107 00:05:40,374 --> 00:05:41,893 It was a pretty horrifying crime 108 00:05:41,893 --> 00:05:44,447 the way they were killed. 109 00:05:44,447 --> 00:05:46,173 The house was set on fire. 110 00:05:46,173 --> 00:05:47,830 I mean, it caught, you know, the attention of the TBI. 111 00:05:47,830 --> 00:05:49,210 They got involved, 112 00:05:49,210 --> 00:05:50,315 the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation. 113 00:05:50,315 --> 00:05:53,180 They were the lead on this case. 114 00:05:53,180 --> 00:05:54,871 What was the immediate response 115 00:05:54,871 --> 00:05:58,599 from investigators the morning of the fire? 116 00:05:58,703 --> 00:05:59,911 One of the first people they talked to 117 00:06:00,014 --> 00:06:01,947 was Victor's sister. 118 00:06:02,051 --> 00:06:06,158 And the first thing she told them was that he was 119 00:06:06,158 --> 00:06:08,920 in the process of suing this guy named Greg Lance. 120 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,132 Greg bought a trailer park from Victor 121 00:06:14,132 --> 00:06:16,583 as a--as a direct buy. 122 00:06:16,583 --> 00:06:18,930 Greg Lance purchased the property 123 00:06:19,033 --> 00:06:21,070 from Victor and Alla, 124 00:06:21,070 --> 00:06:23,866 and they loaned him, 125 00:06:23,866 --> 00:06:26,386 like, $375,000. 126 00:06:27,628 --> 00:06:28,836 At the time of the murders, 127 00:06:28,940 --> 00:06:31,770 Victor was in the process of foreclosing 128 00:06:31,770 --> 00:06:33,772 on the trailer park for unpaid taxes. 129 00:06:33,876 --> 00:06:36,706 And Greg was challenging it in court. 130 00:06:36,810 --> 00:06:39,916 Two days prior to the hearing is when the murders happened. 131 00:06:41,055 --> 00:06:43,920 At this point, law enforcement believes that the trailer park 132 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,647 was a motive for the murders of the Kolesnikows. 133 00:06:49,512 --> 00:06:52,688 [dramatic music] 134 00:06:52,791 --> 00:06:54,483 The morning of the murders, 135 00:06:54,483 --> 00:06:56,761 the investigators start looking at the trailer park 136 00:06:56,761 --> 00:07:00,696 that Victor Kolesnikow had sold to Greg Lance. 137 00:07:00,799 --> 00:07:03,284 And at this trailer park, there's a house at the entrance 138 00:07:03,284 --> 00:07:04,838 where Greg lives 139 00:07:04,941 --> 00:07:07,392 with his girlfriend, Becky, his friend, 140 00:07:07,392 --> 00:07:09,014 and the property manager, Keith, 141 00:07:09,014 --> 00:07:12,501 and Keith's girlfriend, Kay. 142 00:07:12,501 --> 00:07:17,264 I'm Kay Sanders, and I'm a friend of Greg Lance's. 143 00:07:17,264 --> 00:07:19,300 That trailer park was like living 144 00:07:19,300 --> 00:07:21,648 in a totally different land. 145 00:07:22,476 --> 00:07:24,064 They were like their own little family. 146 00:07:24,064 --> 00:07:27,585 They all would get together and talk about each other. 147 00:07:29,449 --> 00:07:31,381 Most of these people were struggling 148 00:07:31,485 --> 00:07:33,487 and doing the best that they could. 149 00:07:33,487 --> 00:07:36,904 A lot of people would call it the slums of Cookeville. 150 00:07:37,836 --> 00:07:40,563 And I know Greg was always working hard at trying 151 00:07:40,563 --> 00:07:43,601 to improve the look of the trailer park. 152 00:07:46,569 --> 00:07:49,089 Greg was about 26, 27. 153 00:07:49,192 --> 00:07:51,919 I was shocked that he owned the trailer park 154 00:07:52,023 --> 00:07:53,473 because he was so young. 155 00:07:54,853 --> 00:07:56,545 Keith Herbstreith worked for Greg Lance. 156 00:07:56,648 --> 00:07:58,995 He ran the trailer park for him. 157 00:07:59,099 --> 00:08:00,997 Keith and Greg were really good friends. 158 00:08:02,792 --> 00:08:06,175 Cops showed up wanting to talk to everybody. 159 00:08:06,175 --> 00:08:08,902 A man comes over and talks to Greg and Keith 160 00:08:08,902 --> 00:08:10,006 and lets them know 161 00:08:10,110 --> 00:08:14,010 that Mr. and Mrs. Kolesnikow had been murdered. 162 00:08:18,808 --> 00:08:21,466 Bob Krofssik was running the investigation. 163 00:08:21,570 --> 00:08:24,262 He was the TBI agent. 164 00:08:24,365 --> 00:08:26,506 He went through Greg's room. 165 00:08:26,609 --> 00:08:28,266 He was going through the house 166 00:08:28,266 --> 00:08:31,372 and they were just pulling drawers out 167 00:08:31,372 --> 00:08:33,167 and going through everything. 168 00:08:34,686 --> 00:08:35,963 Greg let 'em search the house. 169 00:08:35,963 --> 00:08:37,655 There was nothing in the house, no evidence. 170 00:08:37,655 --> 00:08:39,346 There was just nothing there. 171 00:08:39,449 --> 00:08:42,211 They asked Greg where he was on the night of the murders, 172 00:08:42,211 --> 00:08:45,386 and Greg was out at Happy Days bar. 173 00:08:45,386 --> 00:08:49,736 He came home about 1:00, and he and Becky went to bed. 174 00:08:51,185 --> 00:08:53,912 And Becky was able to verify Greg's alibi. 175 00:08:55,362 --> 00:08:56,674 An hour or two later, 176 00:08:56,674 --> 00:08:59,746 Bob Krofssik was telling us not to leave town. 177 00:09:01,575 --> 00:09:03,335 We were all scared. 178 00:09:05,199 --> 00:09:08,099 So after this whole day of questioning Greg 179 00:09:08,202 --> 00:09:10,619 and everyone else surrounding him in the trailer park, 180 00:09:10,619 --> 00:09:14,346 investigators are not able to piece together anything. 181 00:09:14,450 --> 00:09:17,142 There's nothing connecting Greg to the crime at all. 182 00:09:17,142 --> 00:09:19,800 Not a witness, not forensics, nothing. 183 00:09:19,904 --> 00:09:22,182 But Rabia, was there anybody else 184 00:09:22,182 --> 00:09:23,459 who was also having 185 00:09:23,459 --> 00:09:25,772 financial difficulty with Victor? 186 00:09:25,875 --> 00:09:28,119 Oh, definitely. Victor was very litigious. 187 00:09:28,222 --> 00:09:29,810 I mean, I know at the time of his death, 188 00:09:29,810 --> 00:09:33,642 he had 26 outstanding, like, eviction lawsuits 189 00:09:33,745 --> 00:09:35,713 that he had filed against tenants. 190 00:09:35,713 --> 00:09:38,578 That's a lot of people in his orbit 191 00:09:38,578 --> 00:09:41,166 that all need to be looked at. 192 00:09:41,270 --> 00:09:42,202 Yeah. 193 00:09:42,202 --> 00:09:44,756 Victor and Alla would do 194 00:09:44,756 --> 00:09:48,070 these rent-to-buy options with tenants. 195 00:09:48,070 --> 00:09:49,416 Mm-hmm. 196 00:09:49,416 --> 00:09:50,969 And then they would find a reason 197 00:09:50,969 --> 00:09:54,179 to renege on the contract to get the property back. 198 00:09:54,179 --> 00:09:56,630 So it could have been any number of people 199 00:09:56,630 --> 00:09:58,390 who were angry with the Kolesnikows. 200 00:10:01,739 --> 00:10:03,844 We're heading over to meet up with Linda Bowsman, 201 00:10:03,844 --> 00:10:06,122 who is a really cool woman. 202 00:10:06,122 --> 00:10:09,436 She had been a judicial assistant in the courts 203 00:10:09,539 --> 00:10:11,369 and dug up information 204 00:10:11,472 --> 00:10:13,233 that no one else had been able to find. 205 00:10:13,336 --> 00:10:17,858 She, more than anybody, has a really firm grasp 206 00:10:17,962 --> 00:10:21,137 on the details of this case and a lot of knowledge 207 00:10:21,137 --> 00:10:23,623 about where things might have gone wrong. 208 00:10:27,592 --> 00:10:30,008 I-I can't even imagine, like, tackling this 209 00:10:30,008 --> 00:10:32,321 without all the work that you have done. 210 00:10:32,321 --> 00:10:34,116 'Cause it's so much. 211 00:10:34,219 --> 00:10:37,257 There's a lot here and there's so many layers. 212 00:10:37,257 --> 00:10:41,606 It was about 2002 when I became involved in the case. 213 00:10:41,606 --> 00:10:43,504 And then it became an obsession, 214 00:10:43,608 --> 00:10:44,747 and I was so determined 215 00:10:44,747 --> 00:10:47,681 that I was gonna solve this puzzle. 216 00:10:47,681 --> 00:10:49,752 Talk to me a little bit about what happened 217 00:10:49,856 --> 00:10:50,995 at the Kolesnikow house. 218 00:10:50,995 --> 00:10:53,411 - Mm-hmm. Early on... - Yeah. 219 00:10:53,411 --> 00:10:55,033 They had no real clue 220 00:10:55,033 --> 00:10:57,035 of who had committed the murders. 221 00:10:57,139 --> 00:10:59,969 If they had known, they would have made an arrest. 222 00:11:00,073 --> 00:11:02,420 Yeah. 223 00:11:02,523 --> 00:11:03,939 Cookeville's a small town. 224 00:11:03,939 --> 00:11:07,459 A lot of people here are related to each other. 225 00:11:07,459 --> 00:11:09,634 A lot of gossip here about what went on 226 00:11:09,738 --> 00:11:11,394 during that time period. 227 00:11:11,394 --> 00:11:14,812 A lot of things being told around the trailer park 228 00:11:14,812 --> 00:11:16,814 that may or may not be true. 229 00:11:18,505 --> 00:11:21,197 There's a rumor every 2 feet. 230 00:11:21,197 --> 00:11:23,372 You know, we followed the leads 231 00:11:23,372 --> 00:11:25,132 that were presented to us. 232 00:11:25,132 --> 00:11:27,652 You know, some of them were just outlandish. 233 00:11:27,652 --> 00:11:29,999 There was discussion of the Russian mafia 234 00:11:29,999 --> 00:11:33,416 and--and that-- somebody followed up on it, 235 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,039 and it went nowhere. 236 00:11:37,835 --> 00:11:39,112 A couple weeks had passed, 237 00:11:39,112 --> 00:11:42,149 and there was no evidence of any kind 238 00:11:42,149 --> 00:11:44,324 that indicated who had done the murders. 239 00:11:44,324 --> 00:11:45,394 There was nothing. 240 00:11:45,394 --> 00:11:47,396 They don't find a murder weapon 241 00:11:47,499 --> 00:11:48,397 or any evidence? 242 00:11:48,500 --> 00:11:49,916 Nothing. 243 00:11:50,019 --> 00:11:53,195 There doesn't seem to be any forward momentum. 244 00:11:53,195 --> 00:11:56,025 And then the governor of Tennessee offered a reward. 245 00:11:56,129 --> 00:11:59,028 And so when that award gets announced, 246 00:11:59,028 --> 00:12:00,961 what's the next thing that happens? 247 00:12:01,065 --> 00:12:03,170 The day that the reward was announced, 248 00:12:03,170 --> 00:12:05,069 some people called law enforcement 249 00:12:05,069 --> 00:12:06,829 and told them that they had heard shooting 250 00:12:06,829 --> 00:12:08,831 at one of their neighbor's farms 251 00:12:08,831 --> 00:12:10,971 the weekend before the murders. 252 00:12:11,075 --> 00:12:14,078 The farm was empty, and they were concerned. 253 00:12:14,975 --> 00:12:16,736 They told the TBI 254 00:12:16,736 --> 00:12:18,910 that they had walked the property over there, 255 00:12:19,014 --> 00:12:20,670 had gone up into the barn, 256 00:12:20,774 --> 00:12:23,432 and that there were two military-type gas cans. 257 00:12:24,951 --> 00:12:26,953 They said that the day before the murders, 258 00:12:26,953 --> 00:12:28,989 the gas cans were still there in the barn, 259 00:12:28,989 --> 00:12:30,646 but that the day of the murders, 260 00:12:30,646 --> 00:12:33,235 they were gone. 261 00:12:33,235 --> 00:12:35,202 This farm was owned by Mike Herron, 262 00:12:35,306 --> 00:12:36,756 a friend of Greg's. 263 00:12:36,859 --> 00:12:38,688 Greg Lance is the guy 264 00:12:38,792 --> 00:12:41,312 buying the trailer park from Victor Kolesnikow. 265 00:12:42,692 --> 00:12:46,420 Our team was activated along with several investigators 266 00:12:46,420 --> 00:12:49,044 from the Sheriff's office and TBI. 267 00:12:49,044 --> 00:12:51,115 We responded out to the farm, 268 00:12:51,218 --> 00:12:54,049 and we conducted a search of the farm. 269 00:12:54,049 --> 00:12:58,329 My primary responsibility was in and around the shed. 270 00:12:59,882 --> 00:13:01,711 Some of the things we noted was, 271 00:13:01,815 --> 00:13:04,507 there was a fresh area of the wall 272 00:13:04,507 --> 00:13:06,578 that had just been randomly cut out. 273 00:13:08,857 --> 00:13:10,962 It stood out like a sore thumb. 274 00:13:10,962 --> 00:13:12,412 I was born and raised on a farm, 275 00:13:12,515 --> 00:13:15,829 live on a farm now, and I can think of no reason 276 00:13:15,829 --> 00:13:19,005 to just go cut a hole in my--in my barn. 277 00:13:20,765 --> 00:13:22,594 And it appeared that the wall, 278 00:13:22,698 --> 00:13:24,562 somebody had tried to set it on fire. 279 00:13:26,564 --> 00:13:30,671 That rung everybody's bell. 280 00:13:30,671 --> 00:13:32,052 We found a sort of fire pit 281 00:13:32,052 --> 00:13:33,847 which was right outside of the building 282 00:13:33,847 --> 00:13:37,057 where that hole was cut, and we sifted the debris. 283 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:39,957 We found in and around the area 284 00:13:39,957 --> 00:13:42,304 multiple shell casings and bullets. 285 00:13:43,443 --> 00:13:45,963 Most of the bullets were--were 9-millimeter. 286 00:13:47,481 --> 00:13:52,832 They were sent to the lab and linked to the murder scene. 287 00:13:52,832 --> 00:13:55,973 The murder weapon was fired at both locations. 288 00:13:57,353 --> 00:14:00,253 My opinion is that target practice was done 289 00:14:00,253 --> 00:14:02,048 with the murder weapon at the farm 290 00:14:02,151 --> 00:14:05,327 in preparation for committing the murder. 291 00:14:05,327 --> 00:14:06,535 And they used fire 292 00:14:06,535 --> 00:14:09,400 to obscure any evidence of target practice. 293 00:14:10,780 --> 00:14:11,885 So at this point, 294 00:14:11,885 --> 00:14:14,060 law enforcement was focusing on Greg, 295 00:14:14,060 --> 00:14:16,165 and they spoke to an individual who said 296 00:14:16,165 --> 00:14:20,376 that he saw Greg on the farm target practicing. 297 00:14:21,861 --> 00:14:23,517 On August 2nd, 298 00:14:23,517 --> 00:14:26,003 the day that there's gunfire at the Herron farm. 299 00:14:26,106 --> 00:14:27,211 Right. 300 00:14:27,314 --> 00:14:29,109 And they matched 301 00:14:29,109 --> 00:14:30,939 bullets found at the Herron farm... 302 00:14:30,939 --> 00:14:33,286 - Mm-hmm. - To the crime scene? 303 00:14:33,389 --> 00:14:35,944 Yes. 304 00:14:36,047 --> 00:14:38,015 That looks really bad for Greg. 305 00:14:43,365 --> 00:14:46,782 [dramatic music] 306 00:14:46,782 --> 00:14:48,163 Up until this point, 307 00:14:48,163 --> 00:14:51,994 there was no firearm recovered in the case. 308 00:14:51,994 --> 00:14:54,583 There--they had no real suspects, 309 00:14:54,583 --> 00:14:57,275 although they were looking at Greg. 310 00:14:57,275 --> 00:15:01,038 September 17th, not too far from the crime scene, 311 00:15:01,038 --> 00:15:04,420 a-a weapon was recovered in a ditch. 312 00:15:06,422 --> 00:15:09,253 The weapon was a TEC-9 9-millimeter, 313 00:15:09,253 --> 00:15:12,014 but now with a flashlight taped to it. 314 00:15:12,014 --> 00:15:14,672 It is outfitted for tactical environment, 315 00:15:14,672 --> 00:15:16,467 nighttime operations. 316 00:15:18,607 --> 00:15:19,919 It's not a farm gun. 317 00:15:19,919 --> 00:15:21,299 - No. - You know what I mean? 318 00:15:21,299 --> 00:15:23,508 It's like a gun that's only meant to kill people. 319 00:15:23,508 --> 00:15:24,785 It's more like--right. 320 00:15:24,785 --> 00:15:25,994 It's, like, an automatic weapon. 321 00:15:26,097 --> 00:15:27,857 Right. An assault weapon. 322 00:15:27,857 --> 00:15:30,999 The weapon was sent to the lab. 323 00:15:31,102 --> 00:15:34,450 Each weapon will leave unique marks. 324 00:15:34,450 --> 00:15:36,521 Bullets that were fired at the farm 325 00:15:36,521 --> 00:15:39,869 and fired at the house when the murder occurred 326 00:15:39,869 --> 00:15:41,733 all were fired through that weapon. 327 00:15:44,150 --> 00:15:45,323 Keith Herbstreith, 328 00:15:45,323 --> 00:15:47,084 the manager of the trailer park 329 00:15:47,187 --> 00:15:48,188 and Greg's friend, 330 00:15:48,188 --> 00:15:49,879 was brought in for questioning. 331 00:15:49,879 --> 00:15:51,640 They showed him a picture of the gun 332 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,849 and the rope that was on the gun. 333 00:15:53,849 --> 00:15:56,852 But when investigators show Keith this, 334 00:15:56,852 --> 00:16:01,063 what does Keith tell investigators? 335 00:16:01,167 --> 00:16:03,065 Keith said that he recognized 336 00:16:03,065 --> 00:16:04,998 the green cord on the gun, 337 00:16:04,998 --> 00:16:07,932 that this was the same cord that he and Greg had used 338 00:16:07,932 --> 00:16:12,040 to tie firecrackers up with on the 4th of July. 339 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:13,524 From the photos, 340 00:16:13,524 --> 00:16:16,044 it looked like there were black smudges on the cord. 341 00:16:16,044 --> 00:16:18,805 And so Keith thought that the cord on the gun 342 00:16:18,908 --> 00:16:20,772 or the cord that they tied the firecrackers, 343 00:16:20,772 --> 00:16:22,429 that they were one and the same. 344 00:16:22,429 --> 00:16:26,226 So Keith says, 345 00:16:26,226 --> 00:16:29,471 "That cord belonged to Greg. 346 00:16:29,574 --> 00:16:32,232 Those black smudges are 'cause of our fireworks." 347 00:16:32,232 --> 00:16:33,544 Right. 348 00:16:33,647 --> 00:16:35,546 Seems like we've connected him to the murder weapon. 349 00:16:35,649 --> 00:16:36,685 Right. 350 00:16:36,685 --> 00:16:37,962 From that point on, 351 00:16:37,962 --> 00:16:39,274 that's who they focused on, 352 00:16:39,377 --> 00:16:42,001 and they never looked around to anyone else. 353 00:16:43,105 --> 00:16:46,315 Bob Krofssik was running the investigation. 354 00:16:46,315 --> 00:16:47,627 I recall he pretty well told me 355 00:16:47,627 --> 00:16:50,285 that he knew that Greg had killed these people. 356 00:16:52,563 --> 00:16:56,049 He took Keith and I down at the Waffle House. 357 00:16:56,049 --> 00:16:58,189 Keith made the statement that Greg said 358 00:16:58,293 --> 00:17:01,330 he was not gonna win the case against the Kolesnikows 359 00:17:01,330 --> 00:17:03,815 and that he thought he was going to 360 00:17:03,815 --> 00:17:07,060 have to do away with them. 361 00:17:07,060 --> 00:17:09,028 I couldn't believe that Keith was 362 00:17:09,028 --> 00:17:10,650 making statements against Greg 363 00:17:10,650 --> 00:17:14,240 because I always thought they were pretty much like brothers. 364 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:21,316 ♪ ♪ 365 00:17:28,357 --> 00:17:31,498 When they arrested Greg, 366 00:17:31,498 --> 00:17:35,675 it was heartbreaking and terrifying. 367 00:17:35,778 --> 00:17:40,473 My name is Joyce Argo. I'm Greg Lance's mother. 368 00:17:40,473 --> 00:17:43,752 Greg was an ambitious young man. 369 00:17:43,752 --> 00:17:47,307 He went to the National Guard, and from there, he was able 370 00:17:47,307 --> 00:17:50,690 to get a VA loan and buy property. 371 00:17:52,174 --> 00:17:56,351 He did very well with it. He also became a contractor. 372 00:17:57,352 --> 00:18:01,528 Greg was in construction. He married Becky. 373 00:18:01,528 --> 00:18:03,703 They had a daughter. 374 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,878 He was anxious to live his life. 375 00:18:13,506 --> 00:18:18,959 When they brought him into the courthouse 376 00:18:18,959 --> 00:18:22,515 and his hands... 377 00:18:22,618 --> 00:18:25,138 chained, 378 00:18:25,242 --> 00:18:26,760 it become a real-- 379 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,315 it become real, very real, fast. 380 00:18:31,282 --> 00:18:33,836 Unless you have actually experienced it 381 00:18:33,940 --> 00:18:35,562 with your own child, 382 00:18:35,562 --> 00:18:37,875 I don't think you can understand... 383 00:18:41,223 --> 00:18:45,124 The hurt of seeing it. 384 00:18:45,124 --> 00:18:48,782 [sobbing] Seeing your son in chains. 385 00:18:48,782 --> 00:18:52,614 I'm sorry. 386 00:18:52,614 --> 00:18:59,655 ♪ ♪ 387 00:19:00,346 --> 00:19:02,037 The evidence they have against him, 388 00:19:02,141 --> 00:19:04,177 can you walk me through that? 389 00:19:04,177 --> 00:19:05,834 When the trial began, 390 00:19:05,937 --> 00:19:07,525 the prosecution's theory of the case 391 00:19:07,525 --> 00:19:11,046 is that Greg killed the Kolesnikows 392 00:19:11,046 --> 00:19:13,635 in order to be able to keep the trailer park. 393 00:19:14,774 --> 00:19:17,156 Keith testified against Greg 394 00:19:17,156 --> 00:19:20,297 that Greg is upset over the foreclosure 395 00:19:20,297 --> 00:19:23,265 and that Greg talked to him about hiring a hitman 396 00:19:23,265 --> 00:19:25,785 to take care of the Kolesnikows. 397 00:19:28,201 --> 00:19:31,308 So Keith rolls on Greg. 398 00:19:31,308 --> 00:19:36,105 The next person that talks about Greg is who? 399 00:19:36,105 --> 00:19:38,004 - Rocky Harmon. - Okay, and-- 400 00:19:38,004 --> 00:19:39,316 Greg's lifelong friend. 401 00:19:39,316 --> 00:19:40,731 That's a tough blow. 402 00:19:40,834 --> 00:19:43,458 That's a tough blow. 403 00:19:43,561 --> 00:19:47,600 He said, Greg--and he talked about Rocky hiring a hitman. 404 00:19:49,671 --> 00:19:52,674 - They also talked to... - Mike Snow. 405 00:19:52,674 --> 00:19:57,092 Mike Snow testified that Greg tried to get him 406 00:19:57,092 --> 00:19:59,336 to hire someone to kill the Kolesnikows. 407 00:20:01,407 --> 00:20:04,203 He said, that when Mike told him that it would take $10,000, 408 00:20:04,203 --> 00:20:07,482 Greg said, "I'm not paying $10,000." 409 00:20:09,518 --> 00:20:12,763 - And then who do we have? - Erik Tanner. 410 00:20:12,866 --> 00:20:15,559 Erik's testimony was that Greg talked to him about 411 00:20:15,559 --> 00:20:19,114 getting a gun, an untraceable gun. 412 00:20:19,114 --> 00:20:20,909 Okay. That looks bad. 413 00:20:20,909 --> 00:20:22,221 It looks bad. 414 00:20:22,221 --> 00:20:24,188 The evidence they have against him 415 00:20:24,292 --> 00:20:26,190 is the testimony of... 416 00:20:26,190 --> 00:20:28,537 - The four individuals. - Yeah. 417 00:20:28,641 --> 00:20:31,299 A connection to a nylon cord. 418 00:20:32,472 --> 00:20:34,612 Shooting practice at the Herron farm. 419 00:20:34,612 --> 00:20:37,650 Mm-hmm. It's very circumstantial. 420 00:20:37,650 --> 00:20:43,000 The closing argument of the prosecutor, he said, 421 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,797 "When you have one coincidence, okay. 422 00:20:46,900 --> 00:20:48,419 "When you've got two, 423 00:20:48,523 --> 00:20:50,249 "mm, it starts to get a little strange. 424 00:20:50,249 --> 00:20:52,389 "When you've got three and four, 425 00:20:52,389 --> 00:20:55,012 that's when they're no longer coincidences." 426 00:20:55,012 --> 00:20:56,600 Mm-hmm. 427 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,811 ♪ ♪ 428 00:21:02,330 --> 00:21:05,022 [dramatic music] 429 00:21:05,022 --> 00:21:07,162 ♪ ♪ 430 00:21:07,162 --> 00:21:10,027 When the trial was over 431 00:21:10,130 --> 00:21:12,961 and the jury was called back in... 432 00:21:15,032 --> 00:21:18,932 I couldn't believe my ears when they said that he was guilty. 433 00:21:20,762 --> 00:21:25,387 It was like the breath was just smashed out of me. 434 00:21:28,148 --> 00:21:32,498 Greg is sentenced to two life sentences. 435 00:21:38,711 --> 00:21:42,887 ♪ ♪ 436 00:21:42,887 --> 00:21:45,925 Right now, we are meeting up with Greg Lance's mom, 437 00:21:46,028 --> 00:21:48,824 Joyce, who has been his, like, biggest advocate. 438 00:21:48,824 --> 00:21:51,689 So I'm really eager to hear what she has to say. 439 00:21:51,793 --> 00:21:53,208 Hi. 440 00:21:53,208 --> 00:21:55,555 Hey. I want you to see this first. 441 00:21:55,555 --> 00:21:57,246 Our beautiful courthouse, town square. 442 00:21:57,246 --> 00:21:58,558 It is beautiful. 443 00:21:58,662 --> 00:22:01,181 I love the words up there. In God we trust. 444 00:22:01,181 --> 00:22:02,976 You've got to. 445 00:22:02,976 --> 00:22:04,461 You are in a Bible Belt. 446 00:22:04,564 --> 00:22:07,705 I am in the--I grew up in it. I grew up in the church. 447 00:22:10,121 --> 00:22:12,917 Right now, you're taking me where? 448 00:22:12,917 --> 00:22:14,678 To the Herron farm. 449 00:22:14,678 --> 00:22:20,131 ♪ ♪ 450 00:22:20,131 --> 00:22:24,308 This is where they, uh, said Greg was 451 00:22:24,308 --> 00:22:26,103 when there was shooting going on. 452 00:22:29,313 --> 00:22:31,764 Give it some gas and let's get on up that hill. 453 00:22:31,764 --> 00:22:34,767 Whoo! - [laughs] 454 00:22:34,767 --> 00:22:38,391 They found shell casings on the property here 455 00:22:38,391 --> 00:22:41,360 that seemingly matched the murder weapon. 456 00:22:43,465 --> 00:22:46,330 How do we know there was shooting here? 457 00:22:46,434 --> 00:22:50,783 The neighbor said that they heard shooting here. 458 00:22:52,301 --> 00:22:53,510 So they made that phone call 459 00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:55,374 at, like, 2:30 in the afternoon? 460 00:22:55,374 --> 00:22:57,099 Yes, yes, yes. 461 00:22:57,099 --> 00:23:00,413 A witness said that he saw Greg between 3:00 and 4:00, 462 00:23:00,517 --> 00:23:01,794 but that was hours 463 00:23:01,794 --> 00:23:03,485 after the neighbor said the shooting stopped, 464 00:23:03,485 --> 00:23:05,591 and police had already cleared the scene. 465 00:23:05,591 --> 00:23:08,939 That weekend, if they are saying that Greg was here, 466 00:23:08,939 --> 00:23:14,254 he was actually in a guard duty in Gordonsville. 467 00:23:14,254 --> 00:23:15,980 Now, his records can show that that. 468 00:23:15,980 --> 00:23:18,155 - Oh. - That he was there. 469 00:23:18,155 --> 00:23:19,432 His Sergeant and other officers 470 00:23:19,536 --> 00:23:21,054 confirmed he was there, though, right? 471 00:23:21,158 --> 00:23:22,953 Yes, yes. 472 00:23:23,056 --> 00:23:25,369 Then when he got home, 473 00:23:25,369 --> 00:23:29,580 Keith and his girlfriend at that time, Kay, 474 00:23:29,580 --> 00:23:31,651 they can both tell you that Greg was 475 00:23:31,651 --> 00:23:34,861 at the trailer park that afternoon. 476 00:23:34,861 --> 00:23:37,243 So he had a proven alibi elsewhere. 477 00:23:37,346 --> 00:23:38,278 Right. 478 00:23:38,278 --> 00:23:39,521 I know for a fact 479 00:23:39,521 --> 00:23:41,627 that Greg Lance could not have been 480 00:23:41,627 --> 00:23:45,527 at the Herron farm around 2:30 on that day shooting 481 00:23:45,631 --> 00:23:49,704 because I got home from work about 2:30, 482 00:23:49,704 --> 00:23:50,946 and he was not there shooting. 483 00:23:50,946 --> 00:23:53,777 He was right there at the house talking to Keith. 484 00:23:57,159 --> 00:23:59,783 When I first looked at this, what intrigued me was 485 00:23:59,783 --> 00:24:01,578 that the puzzle pieces didn't fit. 486 00:24:01,681 --> 00:24:05,547 There were just too many things 487 00:24:05,651 --> 00:24:07,135 that were unanswered. 488 00:24:07,238 --> 00:24:10,241 So when Joyce asked me if I would help with Greg's case, 489 00:24:10,241 --> 00:24:15,005 I could not let her just try to get through this on her own. 490 00:24:16,731 --> 00:24:20,182 We wanted her help because we did not understand 491 00:24:20,182 --> 00:24:23,220 the legal jargon 492 00:24:23,323 --> 00:24:26,534 in order to get a new trial. 493 00:24:27,776 --> 00:24:29,537 We talked to witnesses. 494 00:24:29,537 --> 00:24:31,780 We really started to take a deep dive 495 00:24:31,884 --> 00:24:34,887 into what went on here in Putnam County. 496 00:24:39,270 --> 00:24:42,998 We have found out that lots of witnesses against Greg 497 00:24:42,998 --> 00:24:48,003 were either offered a deal to get out of criminal charges 498 00:24:48,003 --> 00:24:50,281 or in some way threatened. 499 00:24:52,421 --> 00:24:56,771 Greg had made the mistake of hiring people 500 00:24:56,771 --> 00:24:59,739 that had a past, had records. 501 00:25:01,258 --> 00:25:05,089 Greg would hire people that needed help with money 502 00:25:05,193 --> 00:25:06,401 because he was the type 503 00:25:06,505 --> 00:25:09,508 that would give the shirt off of his back. 504 00:25:09,508 --> 00:25:11,751 He moved Keith into his home 505 00:25:11,751 --> 00:25:14,478 because Keith was living in his car 506 00:25:14,582 --> 00:25:16,929 eating out of trash cans when he met Greg. 507 00:25:18,724 --> 00:25:23,349 So when investigators started questioning 508 00:25:23,452 --> 00:25:25,972 and putting pressure on these people, 509 00:25:26,076 --> 00:25:27,767 then they started saying, 510 00:25:27,767 --> 00:25:29,562 "Well, Greg may have done this," 511 00:25:29,562 --> 00:25:31,530 or "Greg might have done that." 512 00:25:33,566 --> 00:25:35,257 Can you talk to us a little bit 513 00:25:35,257 --> 00:25:36,327 about the kind of people 514 00:25:36,431 --> 00:25:38,744 that Greg had surrounded himself with? 515 00:25:38,744 --> 00:25:41,954 Yeah, a number of the folks had certain vulnerabilities 516 00:25:41,954 --> 00:25:45,647 that made them easy to lean on them and threaten them. 517 00:25:46,510 --> 00:25:48,754 Rocky Harmon, soon as he testified, 518 00:25:48,857 --> 00:25:50,721 wrote Greg a number of letters saying, 519 00:25:50,825 --> 00:25:53,482 "I'm so sorry I did that. 520 00:25:53,586 --> 00:25:55,761 They were pressuring me. I was scared." 521 00:25:55,761 --> 00:25:58,108 But then Rocky since, sadly, is deceased, 522 00:25:58,108 --> 00:25:59,868 but I spoke to his brother, and his brother was like, 523 00:25:59,868 --> 00:26:01,698 "He was terrified 'cause the police 524 00:26:01,698 --> 00:26:05,149 barged into his house and threatened him." 525 00:26:05,253 --> 00:26:06,944 Then you had Mike Snow. 526 00:26:06,944 --> 00:26:08,877 He was incarcerated at the time 527 00:26:08,877 --> 00:26:10,707 police took a statement from him, 528 00:26:10,707 --> 00:26:12,156 and then they immediately released him 529 00:26:12,156 --> 00:26:14,642 once he gave his statement. 530 00:26:14,642 --> 00:26:17,576 Keith was kind of a weak person. 531 00:26:17,576 --> 00:26:19,578 Bob Krofssik, the TBI agent, 532 00:26:19,578 --> 00:26:22,891 and Keith were doing a whole lot of talking. 533 00:26:22,891 --> 00:26:26,239 Keith would say things that he wanted to hear 534 00:26:26,343 --> 00:26:29,208 because they were telling him he was a suspect. 535 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,593 Interviewing witnesses is a tricky affair. 536 00:26:34,593 --> 00:26:36,802 You don't put words in the person's mouth. 537 00:26:36,905 --> 00:26:40,564 They have to tell you their own recollection. 538 00:26:40,668 --> 00:26:43,705 And I know that every one of the investigators 539 00:26:43,809 --> 00:26:46,225 who investigated this were men of integrity. 540 00:26:48,020 --> 00:26:49,746 I don't think that Keith believed 541 00:26:49,746 --> 00:26:51,886 Greg had killed anybody. 542 00:26:52,956 --> 00:26:54,820 They had this piece of rope, 543 00:26:54,820 --> 00:26:57,892 and they made Keith believe it was the rope 544 00:26:57,995 --> 00:27:02,759 that he used to hang in a tree to put firecrackers on. 545 00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:04,830 He believed the rope wrapped around the gun 546 00:27:04,830 --> 00:27:07,418 was the rope that he had hung in the tree. 547 00:27:09,075 --> 00:27:11,906 Six years after Greg is convicted, 548 00:27:11,906 --> 00:27:13,839 Keith attempts to prove to himself 549 00:27:13,942 --> 00:27:16,911 that the cord that was found on the murder weapon 550 00:27:17,014 --> 00:27:18,291 is the same cord 551 00:27:18,395 --> 00:27:22,054 that he and Greg had used to tie up fireworks. 552 00:27:23,227 --> 00:27:26,265 This reenactment was entirely my idea. 553 00:27:26,368 --> 00:27:29,440 I went out and bought these firecrackers myself. 554 00:27:29,544 --> 00:27:31,857 I found the exact string... 555 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,790 - Just a different color. - Just a different color. 556 00:27:33,790 --> 00:27:37,552 [firecrackers popping] 557 00:27:37,552 --> 00:27:39,554 Keith talked about how he did 558 00:27:39,554 --> 00:27:41,487 a bunch of different tests on it. 559 00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:43,178 Ooh, buddy. 560 00:27:43,178 --> 00:27:46,734 Strung it up in the tree and lit the firecrackers off. 561 00:27:46,734 --> 00:27:50,496 Doesn't look anything like the burn mark 562 00:27:50,496 --> 00:27:54,776 that was on the rope of the gun. 563 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,436 The rope that was at the trial was just covered 564 00:27:59,539 --> 00:28:01,231 in those little tiny burns. 565 00:28:02,819 --> 00:28:06,374 My firecrackers did not put those black marks on them. 566 00:28:06,374 --> 00:28:09,964 I don't want to be guilty of perjury, but I was incorrect. 567 00:28:11,482 --> 00:28:13,899 That ain't it. 568 00:28:14,002 --> 00:28:15,694 Wasn't my--wasn't my string. 569 00:28:17,247 --> 00:28:20,181 Finding out that it couldn't be his cord 570 00:28:20,284 --> 00:28:24,219 that was wrapped around the gun devastated him. 571 00:28:24,219 --> 00:28:27,982 It didn't have burn marks, so I did him wrong. 572 00:28:32,193 --> 00:28:35,714 [soft country music] 573 00:28:35,714 --> 00:28:38,786 Greg had surrounded himself with people 574 00:28:38,786 --> 00:28:41,478 who had complicated pasts. 575 00:28:41,478 --> 00:28:42,928 He believed in people. 576 00:28:42,928 --> 00:28:46,034 ♪ ♪ 577 00:28:46,138 --> 00:28:48,934 And one by one, they all rolled on him 578 00:28:48,934 --> 00:28:51,971 and then apologized or change their stories. 579 00:28:53,835 --> 00:28:56,251 But, you know, in court, you can't do that. 580 00:28:56,251 --> 00:28:58,702 It's not like in church where you can apologize 581 00:28:58,806 --> 00:29:02,430 and then it's over. 582 00:29:02,430 --> 00:29:05,571 You mess up in the court system, 583 00:29:05,674 --> 00:29:08,885 and someone goes to prison for your mistake. 584 00:29:11,922 --> 00:29:13,855 You can't fix it. 585 00:29:15,546 --> 00:29:19,758 The impact of this reaches so far beyond just Greg. 586 00:29:19,861 --> 00:29:21,760 And so we're gonna go hang out with Joyce again 587 00:29:21,863 --> 00:29:25,246 at her house and meet Greg's daughter, Rebecca. 588 00:29:26,834 --> 00:29:29,319 So how often do you guys get to talk to Greg? 589 00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:30,527 Whenever he calls. 590 00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:32,425 He's been calling almost every day 591 00:29:32,425 --> 00:29:34,324 for the past two or three weeks. 592 00:29:34,427 --> 00:29:36,913 [phone rings] 593 00:29:42,539 --> 00:29:44,334 Hi, Daddy. 594 00:29:46,163 --> 00:29:47,993 I'm doing good. How are you? 595 00:29:51,065 --> 00:29:53,205 I love you, Daddy. Mwah. 596 00:29:54,723 --> 00:29:55,897 There's someone here 597 00:29:55,897 --> 00:29:57,761 who would really like to speak with you. 598 00:29:57,761 --> 00:29:59,590 Hi, Greg. This is Hilarie. 599 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,182 I have been digging into your situation. 600 00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:08,392 The state's case is that, yeah, 601 00:30:08,392 --> 00:30:10,912 you were getting foreclosed on and you were furious, 602 00:30:10,912 --> 00:30:14,951 and--and so you murdered them and set the house on fire. 603 00:30:20,094 --> 00:30:21,958 Have you interacted with anybody else 604 00:30:22,061 --> 00:30:25,340 who had knowledge of the crime while you've been there? 605 00:30:31,381 --> 00:30:32,451 Mm-hmm. 606 00:30:36,213 --> 00:30:38,112 Yeah. 607 00:30:50,296 --> 00:30:52,264 Who is Sam Horn? 608 00:30:59,616 --> 00:31:00,824 Just like Greg, 609 00:31:00,824 --> 00:31:04,069 Sam and Peggy Horn owed money to Victor. 610 00:31:05,173 --> 00:31:10,282 They also had purchased their property from Victor 611 00:31:10,282 --> 00:31:14,010 on owner financing. 612 00:31:14,010 --> 00:31:16,771 They were way behind on their payments. 613 00:31:16,771 --> 00:31:21,155 So they were next in line to be foreclosed on. 614 00:31:22,156 --> 00:31:24,020 So Billy seemed fairly convinced 615 00:31:24,020 --> 00:31:26,263 that Sam Horn was the killer? 616 00:31:28,403 --> 00:31:29,404 Mm-hmm. 617 00:31:29,404 --> 00:31:31,890 And is that when you were awaiting trial? 618 00:31:33,477 --> 00:31:37,240 Was he ever called in during the trial to testify to that? 619 00:31:44,868 --> 00:31:46,214 [sighs] 620 00:31:46,214 --> 00:31:49,769 The judge ruled that there was nothing 621 00:31:49,769 --> 00:31:52,324 to substantiate Billy's testimony, 622 00:31:52,324 --> 00:31:55,879 and therefore, he did not allow the jury to hear it. 623 00:31:55,983 --> 00:31:58,330 Here we have Billy Cleghorn telling us 624 00:31:58,330 --> 00:32:01,712 that Sam Horn killed Victor and Alla. 625 00:32:01,816 --> 00:32:04,025 How do you get that before the court 626 00:32:04,025 --> 00:32:06,925 for them to hear? 627 00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:08,236 Through her investigation, 628 00:32:08,236 --> 00:32:11,999 Joyce found some people who knew the Horns. 629 00:32:12,102 --> 00:32:14,691 Sam and Peggy Horn were said to be 630 00:32:14,794 --> 00:32:19,040 the local meth dealers in Putnam County. 631 00:32:19,144 --> 00:32:21,905 Victor had threatened Sam and told him 632 00:32:22,009 --> 00:32:24,528 that "If you don't catch the payments up 633 00:32:24,632 --> 00:32:25,805 "on the mortgage, 634 00:32:25,805 --> 00:32:27,359 "I'm going to call law enforcement 635 00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:30,224 and advise them that you're cooking meth over here." 636 00:32:31,052 --> 00:32:33,917 [dramatic music] 637 00:32:34,021 --> 00:32:36,437 ♪ ♪ 638 00:32:36,437 --> 00:32:37,990 The late '90s, 639 00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:42,961 the influx of methamphetamines in our area was huge. 640 00:32:44,583 --> 00:32:46,619 Because it was just cheap and easy money. 641 00:32:48,173 --> 00:32:49,622 Uh, it was, like, the new drug, 642 00:32:49,726 --> 00:32:53,592 and a lot of people weren't educated about it. 643 00:32:55,007 --> 00:32:57,492 It's all taken its toll on the community. 644 00:33:00,288 --> 00:33:03,740 The Horns ran a meth lab in their kitchen, 645 00:33:03,843 --> 00:33:05,811 and they were known in Cookeville 646 00:33:05,914 --> 00:33:07,433 as the murder clan, 647 00:33:07,433 --> 00:33:08,987 Which should tell you something. 648 00:33:09,090 --> 00:33:10,816 - Wow. - Yeah. 649 00:33:10,919 --> 00:33:15,683 ♪ ♪ 650 00:33:15,683 --> 00:33:18,341 We spoke to multiple witnesses who all knew 651 00:33:18,444 --> 00:33:20,584 Sam and Peggy Horn pretty well, 652 00:33:20,584 --> 00:33:24,105 and they told us that Sam and Peggy were over there 653 00:33:24,105 --> 00:33:26,832 at the Kolesnikows' house the night it happened. 654 00:33:26,935 --> 00:33:28,247 That's nuts. 655 00:33:30,111 --> 00:33:31,630 Joyce hires an investigator, 656 00:33:31,630 --> 00:33:34,598 and they've collected statements from multiple people 657 00:33:34,702 --> 00:33:36,704 who knew the Horns. 658 00:33:36,807 --> 00:33:39,879 On November 26, 1999, 659 00:33:39,879 --> 00:33:42,020 Paula Lacommare gave a statement 660 00:33:42,020 --> 00:33:45,782 that she heard Sam Horn made the statement 661 00:33:45,782 --> 00:33:48,267 he was going to kill the foreigners. 662 00:33:49,303 --> 00:33:53,100 Jackie Cleghorn gave a statement that Sam said, 663 00:33:53,203 --> 00:33:55,136 that the best way to kill someone 664 00:33:55,136 --> 00:33:57,173 is to tape a flashlight to a gun, 665 00:33:57,173 --> 00:33:59,692 and they cannot see you when you shoot them. 666 00:34:00,831 --> 00:34:03,179 Billy said that Samantha Horn, 667 00:34:03,179 --> 00:34:05,250 who is the daughter of Sam and Peggy Horn, 668 00:34:05,250 --> 00:34:07,838 saw her parents on the night of the murders, 669 00:34:07,942 --> 00:34:11,566 and they came back from across the street 670 00:34:11,670 --> 00:34:14,535 and that they both smelled of gasoline. 671 00:34:17,538 --> 00:34:20,368 On June 14, 2006, 672 00:34:20,368 --> 00:34:22,163 Paula Lacommare gave a statement, 673 00:34:22,163 --> 00:34:26,029 "Samantha stated that her mom went over to the residence 674 00:34:26,029 --> 00:34:28,825 and killed those people." 675 00:34:28,825 --> 00:34:33,554 Billy Cleghorn heard Peggy say she left her blouse over there, 676 00:34:33,657 --> 00:34:35,073 and she was afraid law enforcement 677 00:34:35,176 --> 00:34:37,454 was gonna be able to tie it back to her. 678 00:34:40,147 --> 00:34:42,321 Chris Henry was a friend of Sam's. 679 00:34:43,598 --> 00:34:46,394 Asked if he had ever shot a TEC-9, 680 00:34:46,498 --> 00:34:49,087 Chris Henry's response at that time was, 681 00:34:49,087 --> 00:34:53,884 "Not only have I shot a TEC-9, I shot Sam's TEC-9." 682 00:34:55,265 --> 00:34:58,717 I have spoken to quite a few people 683 00:34:58,717 --> 00:35:01,616 in Sam and Peggy Horn's circle, 684 00:35:01,616 --> 00:35:05,620 and they've all pretty much told me the same story. 685 00:35:06,345 --> 00:35:08,244 The real killer is still out there. 686 00:35:14,181 --> 00:35:16,873 [soft bluegrass music] 687 00:35:16,873 --> 00:35:23,086 ♪ ♪ 688 00:35:23,086 --> 00:35:24,605 This is gorgeous. 689 00:35:24,708 --> 00:35:26,227 It is beautiful. 690 00:35:26,331 --> 00:35:29,092 So do you want to show me the Kolesnikow property first? 691 00:35:29,092 --> 00:35:30,680 Sure. I'd love to. 692 00:35:34,028 --> 00:35:36,996 That's where the house was. 693 00:35:36,996 --> 00:35:38,584 So directly in front of us, 694 00:35:38,584 --> 00:35:41,311 we have what was the Kolesnikow property, 695 00:35:41,311 --> 00:35:44,901 which went up in flames 3:00 in the morning. 696 00:35:44,901 --> 00:35:47,214 Right here where we're seeing it from 697 00:35:47,317 --> 00:35:50,182 is the driveway to the Horn house, 698 00:35:50,286 --> 00:35:53,979 which sat right past those bushes. 699 00:35:54,082 --> 00:35:57,016 This is so, so close. 700 00:35:57,016 --> 00:35:58,570 Yes. 701 00:35:58,570 --> 00:36:00,192 They're coming outside. [chuckles] 702 00:36:00,192 --> 00:36:03,022 I'm Hilarie. How are you? - Good. 703 00:36:03,126 --> 00:36:04,196 When I spoke with you before, 704 00:36:04,300 --> 00:36:07,095 you were telling me about the Horns... 705 00:36:07,095 --> 00:36:09,167 - Yeah. - Making meth out there. 706 00:36:09,167 --> 00:36:11,445 Were they still here when you guys moved in? 707 00:36:13,447 --> 00:36:15,932 Did you take over ownership of that property? 708 00:36:18,762 --> 00:36:21,662 You were? So were they on your radar? 709 00:36:22,801 --> 00:36:26,770 And was it commonly known that they were 710 00:36:26,874 --> 00:36:29,187 involved in the business? 711 00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:33,260 Uh-huh. 712 00:36:33,260 --> 00:36:36,194 So you think perhaps they were making meth in your barn? 713 00:36:42,372 --> 00:36:45,479 Did you ever hear about any involvement on their end 714 00:36:45,582 --> 00:36:48,206 with what happened here at the Kolesnikows? 715 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,214 Yeah. 716 00:37:00,632 --> 00:37:01,874 Yeah. 717 00:37:03,082 --> 00:37:06,534 So the Horns were on police radar. 718 00:37:06,534 --> 00:37:08,778 They were well-known to law enforcement. 719 00:37:09,951 --> 00:37:12,333 I don't understand 720 00:37:12,333 --> 00:37:14,680 why the path of least resistance 721 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,337 wasn't explored. 722 00:37:16,337 --> 00:37:19,444 They just tunnel-visioned in on Greg. 723 00:37:19,547 --> 00:37:22,447 You know, it's just amazing how difficult it is 724 00:37:22,447 --> 00:37:25,864 to get a wrong made right. 725 00:37:25,864 --> 00:37:27,141 [dramatic music] 726 00:37:27,141 --> 00:37:28,315 I'm Jessica Van Dyke. 727 00:37:28,418 --> 00:37:30,144 I'm executive director and lead counsel 728 00:37:30,144 --> 00:37:33,147 at the Tennessee Innocence Project. 729 00:37:33,147 --> 00:37:34,873 We became involved in Greg's case. 730 00:37:34,976 --> 00:37:38,152 We felt like we could move the case forward. 731 00:37:38,152 --> 00:37:40,396 In Tennessee, the only remaining options to him 732 00:37:40,499 --> 00:37:42,915 would be a DNA testing petition 733 00:37:42,915 --> 00:37:45,884 or a fingerprint testing petition. 734 00:37:45,987 --> 00:37:47,472 We were pretty much at the end of the line 735 00:37:47,472 --> 00:37:50,371 unless we discovered some new evidence. 736 00:37:50,475 --> 00:37:52,477 I got very aggressive 737 00:37:52,477 --> 00:37:55,687 in sending out Freedom of Information Act letters. 738 00:37:58,655 --> 00:38:01,831 And so in 2015, I got the records from 739 00:38:01,831 --> 00:38:06,214 the bomb and arson division in Nashville. 740 00:38:06,318 --> 00:38:10,771 And lo and behold, inside of that packet of records 741 00:38:10,771 --> 00:38:12,428 was a receipt for a shirt 742 00:38:12,428 --> 00:38:14,533 that was found on a picnic table 743 00:38:14,533 --> 00:38:17,674 at the Kolesnikows' home by their son. 744 00:38:19,366 --> 00:38:21,816 I'm pretty certain that this shirt was the shirt 745 00:38:21,816 --> 00:38:24,957 that Peggy left over there at the scene. 746 00:38:25,061 --> 00:38:28,616 And that blouse could be a critical piece of evidence 747 00:38:28,616 --> 00:38:30,238 in this case 748 00:38:30,238 --> 00:38:33,034 that could potentially corroborate the testimony 749 00:38:33,034 --> 00:38:36,072 by a witness who said one of the alternate suspects 750 00:38:36,175 --> 00:38:38,385 said they left their blouse behind. 751 00:38:38,385 --> 00:38:40,904 And so maybe someone else really did this. 752 00:38:41,008 --> 00:38:47,842 ♪ ♪ 753 00:38:48,740 --> 00:38:51,812 So if we are able to test this evidence, 754 00:38:51,915 --> 00:38:55,056 and if it does support Greg's claim of innocence, 755 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,368 then we would be asking the court 756 00:38:56,368 --> 00:38:57,921 to vacate his conviction, 757 00:38:57,921 --> 00:38:59,820 and the state would then have the option 758 00:38:59,820 --> 00:39:02,443 to either go forward with a new trial 759 00:39:02,443 --> 00:39:05,204 or, alternatively, they could dismiss the charges 760 00:39:05,204 --> 00:39:06,999 and he would go free. 761 00:39:08,725 --> 00:39:11,003 Greg's new legal team is working very hard 762 00:39:11,003 --> 00:39:12,211 to clear his name, 763 00:39:12,211 --> 00:39:14,179 but in cases like his 764 00:39:14,179 --> 00:39:17,216 where there is already a conviction, 765 00:39:17,216 --> 00:39:19,460 it's an uphill battle. 766 00:39:19,460 --> 00:39:22,325 I found a circuit court judge here in Cookeville 767 00:39:22,429 --> 00:39:24,431 who was willing to talk to me about that. 768 00:39:24,431 --> 00:39:26,053 Hi. How are you? 769 00:39:26,053 --> 00:39:28,193 Good. Good. Come on in. 770 00:39:28,296 --> 00:39:31,783 It seems impossible 771 00:39:31,783 --> 00:39:34,993 to overturn a wrongful conviction. 772 00:39:35,096 --> 00:39:36,512 It is--it is really hard 773 00:39:36,512 --> 00:39:39,480 because there's such a presumption 774 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,552 that the, uh, jury got it right. 775 00:39:42,552 --> 00:39:46,211 Many times, there were wrongful convictions, 776 00:39:46,211 --> 00:39:47,592 you know, especially where you have 777 00:39:47,695 --> 00:39:49,076 a high minority population. 778 00:39:49,179 --> 00:39:52,044 Um, we don't really have that in the Upper Cumberland. 779 00:39:52,044 --> 00:39:55,358 I would stack our jurors up against anybody in the country. 780 00:39:55,358 --> 00:39:57,187 There's been some really tough decisions 781 00:39:57,187 --> 00:39:58,637 that the jurors have made, 782 00:39:58,741 --> 00:40:01,191 and I think they've got it right every time. 783 00:40:04,712 --> 00:40:07,819 As we've dug deeper into this case, 784 00:40:07,819 --> 00:40:10,649 you have all these pods of people, 785 00:40:10,649 --> 00:40:15,205 and they all clash in this story. 786 00:40:16,034 --> 00:40:19,520 You've got the Kolesnikows and the Horns 787 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,212 and all the members of the trailer park. 788 00:40:22,212 --> 00:40:27,770 And the collision of those separate groups is tragic. 789 00:40:30,738 --> 00:40:33,051 These murders changed my life 790 00:40:33,154 --> 00:40:36,295 and Becky's life and Keith 791 00:40:36,295 --> 00:40:38,090 and definitely Greg's. 792 00:40:40,299 --> 00:40:42,474 Cookeville was a really small town. 793 00:40:42,474 --> 00:40:45,443 When I would go anywhere near anyone, 794 00:40:45,546 --> 00:40:47,341 they were looking at me like they thought 795 00:40:47,341 --> 00:40:49,585 I was involved in it. 796 00:40:49,585 --> 00:40:51,725 It was really hard. 797 00:40:51,725 --> 00:40:54,244 I mean, I lost custody of my kids. 798 00:40:54,348 --> 00:40:56,833 Yeah, it was more than I could handle. 799 00:40:59,491 --> 00:41:02,011 Keith testified against somebody 800 00:41:02,011 --> 00:41:03,633 that he cared a lot about 801 00:41:03,633 --> 00:41:07,050 and believed that something happened 802 00:41:07,154 --> 00:41:08,466 that did not happen. 803 00:41:08,466 --> 00:41:12,090 And he really had a hard time living with that, 804 00:41:12,193 --> 00:41:16,301 and he worked hard at drinking himself to death. 805 00:41:16,404 --> 00:41:21,340 ♪ ♪ 806 00:41:21,340 --> 00:41:23,688 My daddy's been locked up for 22 years, 807 00:41:23,791 --> 00:41:25,724 and I'll be 22 this August. 808 00:41:25,724 --> 00:41:29,659 Oh, honey. That's a long time. 809 00:41:29,659 --> 00:41:32,213 I've never seen him outside of prison. 810 00:41:32,317 --> 00:41:33,732 I want to see my daddy. 811 00:41:33,732 --> 00:41:35,907 You deserve that. You do. 812 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,497 As much as Joyce wants answers 813 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,327 and I want answers, Greg wanting--wants answers, 814 00:41:42,327 --> 00:41:44,432 I'm sure the-the victim's family 815 00:41:44,536 --> 00:41:47,608 would like to have the answers. 816 00:41:47,608 --> 00:41:50,438 There are a lot of missing pieces to this puzzle, 817 00:41:50,438 --> 00:41:52,786 and we all have a right to know the truth. 818 00:41:54,615 --> 00:41:57,204 I cannot definitively say yes, 819 00:41:57,204 --> 00:41:58,930 this other person did it. 820 00:41:58,930 --> 00:42:03,693 What I can say is that until that evidence testing happens, 821 00:42:03,693 --> 00:42:05,212 has justice really been served? 60482

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