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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,001 --> 00:00:03,934 [melancholy music] 2 00:00:04,038 --> 00:00:11,114 3 00:00:33,826 --> 00:00:36,691 [dramatic music] 4 00:00:36,795 --> 00:00:41,593 5 00:00:42,663 --> 00:00:45,424 [light guitar music] 6 00:00:45,528 --> 00:00:51,396 7 00:00:51,499 --> 00:00:55,710 St. Augustine is apparently the oldest town in America. 8 00:00:55,814 --> 00:00:58,230 There's clearly a Spanish influence here. 9 00:00:58,334 --> 00:01:05,065 It's got really similar vibes to Miami and to New Orleans. 10 00:01:05,168 --> 00:01:06,928 It just feels like you're visiting 11 00:01:07,032 --> 00:01:09,310 a really cool historic small town. 12 00:01:11,795 --> 00:01:15,661 My family has lived in St. Augustine since 1595. 13 00:01:15,765 --> 00:01:17,629 A lot of families in St. Augustine 14 00:01:17,732 --> 00:01:20,010 that have been here a long time, 15 00:01:20,114 --> 00:01:22,427 and a lot of people related to one another. 16 00:01:24,014 --> 00:01:25,361 Everybody knows everybody. 17 00:01:25,464 --> 00:01:27,363 Everybody knows what's going on. 18 00:01:28,605 --> 00:01:32,092 We are all connected, and word does travel. 19 00:01:34,749 --> 00:01:36,303 Mini golf, man. 20 00:01:36,406 --> 00:01:39,133 Not a vacation town unless you've got mini golf. 21 00:01:39,237 --> 00:01:42,309 The beach is amazing. 22 00:01:42,412 --> 00:01:45,277 You have all the fun stuff 23 00:01:45,381 --> 00:01:48,660 without having to deal with the crime of the big city. 24 00:01:52,146 --> 00:01:53,699 Live from studio five, 25 00:01:53,803 --> 00:01:57,047 this is "First Coast Connect" on 89.9. 26 00:01:57,151 --> 00:01:58,704 First this morning, 27 00:01:58,808 --> 00:02:01,707 a controversial investigation in St. Augustine. 28 00:02:01,811 --> 00:02:05,780 It centers around the 2010 death of Michelle O'Connell. 29 00:02:05,884 --> 00:02:07,403 This is a long-running drama 30 00:02:07,506 --> 00:02:10,544 that has divided the nation's oldest city 31 00:02:10,647 --> 00:02:12,408 and the law enforcement community there. 32 00:02:15,721 --> 00:02:18,828 So on the surface, there's this beautiful, 33 00:02:18,931 --> 00:02:22,176 bright, shiny little town. 34 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,489 How do you go from this fairy tale life 35 00:02:24,592 --> 00:02:28,803 to a tragedy like Michelle O'Connell's death? 36 00:02:59,524 --> 00:03:01,733 My name is Debra Maynard. 37 00:03:01,836 --> 00:03:04,011 On September 2, 2010, 38 00:03:04,114 --> 00:03:05,530 I was a deputy sheriff 39 00:03:05,633 --> 00:03:09,085 for the St. Johns County Sheriff's office. 40 00:03:09,189 --> 00:03:12,261 There was a call on the radio that got all of our attention. 41 00:03:13,710 --> 00:03:16,196 A signal 18, which was shots fired. 42 00:03:29,692 --> 00:03:32,384 We heard a badge number come out. 43 00:03:32,488 --> 00:03:34,835 We knew it was another deputy involved. 44 00:03:34,938 --> 00:03:38,839 [siren wailing] Took off down US 1 South. 45 00:03:38,942 --> 00:03:41,324 My sergeant beats me in, and the corporal and I 46 00:03:41,428 --> 00:03:43,637 are in the doorway at the same time, 47 00:03:43,740 --> 00:03:46,191 and another deputy was there. 48 00:03:46,295 --> 00:03:48,297 We were first on scene. 49 00:03:50,575 --> 00:03:52,024 I remember the front door being opened 50 00:03:52,128 --> 00:03:54,303 and one light on outside. 51 00:03:54,406 --> 00:03:56,581 Walked in the door. 52 00:03:56,684 --> 00:04:02,483 First thing I saw on the floor was the legs of a female. 53 00:04:04,313 --> 00:04:06,867 I saw little black ballerina shoes, 54 00:04:06,970 --> 00:04:08,593 a pair of jeans. 55 00:04:11,423 --> 00:04:15,013 Deputy Banks was just to her right side, 56 00:04:15,116 --> 00:04:16,601 kind of holding on to her. 57 00:04:18,016 --> 00:04:20,052 Michelle O'Connell appeared to have a-- 58 00:04:20,156 --> 00:04:21,571 some type of serious injury, 59 00:04:21,675 --> 00:04:24,056 which I assumed to be a gunshot wound 60 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:25,610 to the head or face. 61 00:04:32,375 --> 00:04:33,790 My name's Chrissy O'Connell, 62 00:04:33,894 --> 00:04:37,311 and I am Michelle O'Connell's sister. 63 00:04:37,415 --> 00:04:41,108 We come from a large family-- six siblings. 64 00:04:41,211 --> 00:04:42,696 Michelle was the baby. 65 00:04:44,974 --> 00:04:48,357 Michelle's spirit was just wild. 66 00:04:49,599 --> 00:04:52,326 She said what she felt, 67 00:04:52,430 --> 00:04:55,605 but she also cared about people at the same time. 68 00:04:55,709 --> 00:04:58,643 When she was little, she was very independent, 69 00:04:58,746 --> 00:05:01,611 but she brought a lot of joy into our life because she was, 70 00:05:01,715 --> 00:05:03,820 you know, just a cutie pie. 71 00:05:03,924 --> 00:05:05,960 She was so adorable. 72 00:05:11,587 --> 00:05:14,210 I'm on my way to meet with Michelle O'Connell's 73 00:05:14,314 --> 00:05:16,833 older sister, Chrissy. 74 00:05:16,937 --> 00:05:19,974 She can shed light on who Michelle was, 75 00:05:20,078 --> 00:05:22,874 what she was going through. 76 00:05:22,977 --> 00:05:24,772 What's amazing about the O'Connell family 77 00:05:24,876 --> 00:05:28,258 is that they've never given up this fight. 78 00:05:28,362 --> 00:05:31,434 It has been over 10 years, and they are still 79 00:05:31,538 --> 00:05:33,850 demanding justice for their little sister. 80 00:05:35,956 --> 00:05:39,925 The O'Connell family is not going to bend to the narrative 81 00:05:40,029 --> 00:05:42,963 that was presented to this community. 82 00:05:43,066 --> 00:05:46,415 83 00:05:46,518 --> 00:05:48,934 Michelle meant so much to our family, you know, 84 00:05:49,038 --> 00:05:50,315 and she was taken. 85 00:05:50,419 --> 00:05:52,593 I cry for my niece. 86 00:05:52,697 --> 00:05:54,526 She looks a lot like her. - Yeah. 87 00:05:54,630 --> 00:05:55,976 And she had that little spitfire in her, 88 00:05:56,079 --> 00:06:00,152 and so I see a lot of Michelle in her daughter. 89 00:06:00,256 --> 00:06:01,395 That seems to be the word 90 00:06:01,499 --> 00:06:02,810 that a lot of people use for Michelle, 91 00:06:02,914 --> 00:06:04,709 that she was, like, feisty, the spitfire. 92 00:06:04,812 --> 00:06:07,228 Oh, yeah. The baby of six kids, you know, 93 00:06:07,332 --> 00:06:09,299 so you had to fight, you know, to be heard and seen, 94 00:06:09,403 --> 00:06:10,784 and she was. 95 00:06:12,613 --> 00:06:14,684 Michelle was a single mother, 96 00:06:14,788 --> 00:06:19,448 and she just loved her daughter more than anything. 97 00:06:19,551 --> 00:06:22,312 When Alexis was about 3 1/2, 98 00:06:22,416 --> 00:06:24,901 Michelle met Jeremy Banks, 99 00:06:25,005 --> 00:06:26,558 the deputy sheriff. 100 00:06:26,662 --> 00:06:28,629 She met him through our family. 101 00:06:28,733 --> 00:06:30,769 My mom and brother worked at the sheriff's office. 102 00:06:32,633 --> 00:06:34,601 My mom, Patty, was a file clerk, 103 00:06:34,704 --> 00:06:37,431 and my brother, he was a sheriff's deputy. 104 00:06:37,535 --> 00:06:39,226 Working in law enforcement, there's definitely, 105 00:06:39,329 --> 00:06:41,055 like, a sense of pride, 106 00:06:41,159 --> 00:06:43,023 and there was, like, a sense of we're a part of the family. 107 00:06:43,126 --> 00:06:46,026 [chatter] 108 00:06:46,129 --> 00:06:47,510 Everybody hug. 109 00:06:47,614 --> 00:06:50,340 I met Michelle at Treaty Park. 110 00:06:50,444 --> 00:06:52,791 Jeremy was in his uniform. 111 00:06:52,895 --> 00:06:54,724 He was pushing her on the swing, 112 00:06:54,828 --> 00:06:56,692 and I just felt like, "Oh, my gosh. 113 00:06:56,795 --> 00:06:59,522 Here's someone that's gonna to take good care of her." 114 00:06:59,626 --> 00:07:01,524 - Goodbye, then. - All righty. 115 00:07:01,628 --> 00:07:03,353 You have our cell phones, all right. 116 00:07:03,457 --> 00:07:04,976 Before she met Jeremy, 117 00:07:05,079 --> 00:07:08,117 had she ever lived with anybody before? 118 00:07:08,220 --> 00:07:10,671 Jeremy was the first person she ever moved in with. 119 00:07:10,775 --> 00:07:12,397 - Yeah. - And it was a big step 120 00:07:12,501 --> 00:07:13,847 for Michelle. - Bye-bye. 121 00:07:13,950 --> 00:07:15,055 - You want me to go bye-bye? - No. 122 00:07:15,158 --> 00:07:16,125 No. 123 00:07:19,991 --> 00:07:23,166 When we showed up on scene, I walked into the room. 124 00:07:23,270 --> 00:07:27,205 Jeremy was crouched, holding the house phone in his hand, 125 00:07:27,308 --> 00:07:29,310 just looking. 126 00:07:29,414 --> 00:07:31,865 The gun was Jeremy's duty weapon, 127 00:07:31,968 --> 00:07:35,869 and the tactical light on top of the gun was on. 128 00:07:35,972 --> 00:07:37,940 Fire Rescue would be there shortly, and the firearm 129 00:07:38,043 --> 00:07:40,701 would have to be moved for them to work on her. 130 00:07:40,805 --> 00:07:44,498 So quickly before we moved anything, including that gun, 131 00:07:44,602 --> 00:07:46,258 another deputy took some photos. 132 00:07:48,813 --> 00:07:50,159 Once he took the photographs, 133 00:07:50,262 --> 00:07:51,678 I then took the firearm 134 00:07:51,781 --> 00:07:54,819 and placed it in the bathroom on the counter. 135 00:07:54,922 --> 00:07:57,718 My sergeant said, "Get Jeremy out of here." 136 00:07:57,822 --> 00:07:59,686 I get Jeremy outside, 137 00:07:59,789 --> 00:08:03,655 and he starts pacing like a wild animal. 138 00:08:03,759 --> 00:08:05,381 He kept going-- [grunts] 139 00:08:05,485 --> 00:08:09,074 He went over to the front of my sergeants car with double fists 140 00:08:09,178 --> 00:08:11,491 and hit it so hard he put dents in the hood. 141 00:08:13,216 --> 00:08:16,357 Fire Rescue is in control of the scene now. 142 00:08:16,461 --> 00:08:19,499 They called that she had died. 143 00:08:19,602 --> 00:08:21,535 My sergeant and lieutenant come out. 144 00:08:21,639 --> 00:08:22,950 They say, "Okay. 145 00:08:23,054 --> 00:08:26,713 We need to secure the scene. No one else in." 146 00:08:26,816 --> 00:08:28,577 We were standing out front discussing it, 147 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,510 and from what I understood, 148 00:08:30,613 --> 00:08:34,548 it was a self-inflicted gunshot wound. 149 00:08:34,652 --> 00:08:37,758 My lieutenant said, "We need you to go 150 00:08:37,862 --> 00:08:41,693 make family notifications." 151 00:08:41,797 --> 00:08:43,523 I get the call. 152 00:08:43,626 --> 00:08:46,042 One of my brothers said, "Come now," 153 00:08:46,146 --> 00:08:48,458 and I flew over to my mom's house, 154 00:08:48,562 --> 00:08:51,116 and there were about six or seven deputies 155 00:08:51,220 --> 00:08:54,913 with their lights on, and I got out of the car. 156 00:08:55,017 --> 00:08:58,054 I said to one of the deputies, "Just tell me, who is it?" 157 00:08:58,158 --> 00:08:59,608 And he said, "Your sister, Michelle," 158 00:08:59,711 --> 00:09:01,644 and I just collapsed. 159 00:09:06,062 --> 00:09:08,755 The deputy said, "It appears Michelle 160 00:09:08,858 --> 00:09:12,137 has died by act of suicide," 161 00:09:12,241 --> 00:09:15,175 and I thought, no. 162 00:09:15,278 --> 00:09:17,522 No, she didn't. 163 00:09:17,626 --> 00:09:19,835 This isn't a suicide. 164 00:09:19,938 --> 00:09:22,665 Michelle's story-- you got it wrong. 165 00:09:27,049 --> 00:09:29,914 [light music] 166 00:09:30,017 --> 00:09:32,468 167 00:09:32,572 --> 00:09:34,677 Tell me what was going on that night 168 00:09:34,781 --> 00:09:37,059 before you got the call. 169 00:09:37,162 --> 00:09:39,371 Michelle was at a concert with some of my brothers 170 00:09:39,475 --> 00:09:40,649 and Jeremy. 171 00:09:40,752 --> 00:09:42,582 I was watching her daughter. 172 00:09:42,685 --> 00:09:44,135 She said, "You keep her for tonight, 173 00:09:44,238 --> 00:09:46,137 and I'm coming to get her from you." 174 00:09:47,069 --> 00:09:50,659 Michelle offered me a ticket to join her and Jeremy 175 00:09:50,762 --> 00:09:53,109 in their seats at the concert. 176 00:09:53,213 --> 00:09:55,353 Michelle was happy and dancing, 177 00:09:55,456 --> 00:09:59,046 and I was hugging her, taking some selfies, 178 00:09:59,150 --> 00:10:02,394 Jeremy was quiet, and I could just read his body language. 179 00:10:02,498 --> 00:10:04,845 Something was bothering him. 180 00:10:04,949 --> 00:10:06,329 At one point in the concert, 181 00:10:06,433 --> 00:10:08,642 she shared that she was starting a new position 182 00:10:08,746 --> 00:10:11,058 at work tomorrow. 183 00:10:11,162 --> 00:10:13,509 That was something that she was extremely excited about 184 00:10:13,613 --> 00:10:16,374 and proud of. 185 00:10:17,306 --> 00:10:19,860 After we left the concert, we were parting ways, 186 00:10:19,964 --> 00:10:23,105 and Michelle and Jeremy were heading home for the night. 187 00:10:24,658 --> 00:10:25,901 When I was babysitting Alexis, 188 00:10:26,004 --> 00:10:28,731 I got some texts from Michelle, 189 00:10:28,835 --> 00:10:31,458 but they were not like her regular texts. 190 00:10:31,561 --> 00:10:33,563 Can you walk me through what those were? 191 00:10:33,667 --> 00:10:35,151 Yeah. 192 00:10:35,255 --> 00:10:36,566 She said something along the lines of, like, 193 00:10:36,670 --> 00:10:39,673 "Promise me one thing. 194 00:10:39,777 --> 00:10:42,055 Promise me Alexis will be loved." 195 00:10:44,954 --> 00:10:47,647 And I'm like, "What?" Promise you what?" 196 00:10:47,750 --> 00:10:50,132 Depending on who's looking at them, 197 00:10:50,235 --> 00:10:54,136 Michelle's text messages can be seen as alarming. 198 00:10:57,622 --> 00:10:59,520 Then I later got a text that said, 199 00:10:59,624 --> 00:11:00,970 "I'll be there soon." - Mm-hmm. 200 00:11:01,074 --> 00:11:02,834 So I thought, "Okay. Something happened. 201 00:11:02,938 --> 00:11:05,457 She's going to tell me about it later," 202 00:11:05,561 --> 00:11:08,012 but then she never came. 203 00:11:10,428 --> 00:11:14,708 And now, here are deputies, not even detectives, 204 00:11:14,812 --> 00:11:17,435 telling me that my sister died of a suicide. 205 00:11:18,885 --> 00:11:21,957 She had texted me, "Is Alexis okay? I'm on my way." 206 00:11:23,959 --> 00:11:26,375 I was trying to show anyone that would listen 207 00:11:26,478 --> 00:11:28,895 to me Michelle's story, 208 00:11:28,998 --> 00:11:31,173 but we were not listened to. 209 00:11:34,348 --> 00:11:36,074 My name is Clu Wright, and I'm private investigator 210 00:11:36,178 --> 00:11:38,214 here in the state of Florida. 211 00:11:38,318 --> 00:11:40,251 The night Michelle O'Connell died, 212 00:11:40,354 --> 00:11:42,840 Detective Hines interviewed Jeremy Banks 213 00:11:42,943 --> 00:11:45,118 at the scene in the back of a patrol car. 214 00:11:57,855 --> 00:12:00,754 After the concert, about 10:30, 215 00:12:00,858 --> 00:12:04,275 they got in a car and drove back home. 216 00:12:14,147 --> 00:12:19,083 They arrived at Jeremy's house about 10:45, 10:55 p.m. 217 00:12:19,186 --> 00:12:21,395 Jeremy said that Michelle was inside the house 218 00:12:21,499 --> 00:12:24,744 packing her clothes to move out of Jeremy's house. 219 00:13:02,712 --> 00:13:03,955 Jeremy also said that he said, 220 00:13:04,059 --> 00:13:06,268 "Well, can I have one last kiss?" 221 00:13:06,371 --> 00:13:10,341 And Michelle told him, "No, you cannot have a last kiss." 222 00:13:10,444 --> 00:13:11,894 After that, he left to go 223 00:13:11,998 --> 00:13:14,932 sit on his motorcycle out in the garage. 224 00:13:58,113 --> 00:14:00,287 That night, my neighbor gave me a ride over 225 00:14:00,391 --> 00:14:02,427 to Jeremy's and Michelle's house, 226 00:14:02,531 --> 00:14:04,222 and I said, you know, I just want to go be with her. 227 00:14:04,326 --> 00:14:07,985 I just want to, like, hold her hand, um-- 228 00:14:10,263 --> 00:14:13,749 As soon as I got there, the deputy, who I know, says, 229 00:14:13,853 --> 00:14:16,648 "You can't go any further. You can't go into the house. 230 00:14:16,752 --> 00:14:19,824 There's really nothing else that you can do right now." 231 00:14:19,928 --> 00:14:21,377 Earlier when we were at the concert, 232 00:14:21,481 --> 00:14:23,966 Michelle was laughing and smiling. 233 00:14:24,070 --> 00:14:28,626 What was a great day turned into, like... 234 00:14:28,729 --> 00:14:34,943 the worst day of my life, and nothing will ever-- 235 00:14:35,046 --> 00:14:36,668 Nothing has ever compared to that, 236 00:14:36,772 --> 00:14:38,429 that pain and that loss. 237 00:14:40,983 --> 00:14:42,398 I knew in my heart and in my gut 238 00:14:42,502 --> 00:14:44,538 that Michelle didn't kill herself, 239 00:14:44,642 --> 00:14:46,644 and instead of going and sitting down with my family 240 00:14:46,747 --> 00:14:50,303 and accepting what they had been told, I raised my voice. 241 00:14:50,406 --> 00:14:53,202 I said, "I demand an outside investigation. 242 00:14:53,306 --> 00:14:56,067 I want you guys to stop whatever you're doing right now 243 00:14:56,171 --> 00:15:01,072 and bring in the FBI or FDLE or whoever isn't you. 244 00:15:01,176 --> 00:15:03,592 I want them to come in. I want them to take over." 245 00:15:06,906 --> 00:15:11,255 [dark music] 246 00:15:11,358 --> 00:15:14,534 My brother is just, "I demand an outside investigation," 247 00:15:14,637 --> 00:15:16,777 at the top of his lungs. 248 00:15:16,881 --> 00:15:18,538 But he was told, "It's a suicide. 249 00:15:18,641 --> 00:15:20,367 Sit down, son." 250 00:15:20,471 --> 00:15:22,852 That was the tone. 251 00:15:22,956 --> 00:15:25,821 And they stopped doing basic police work. 252 00:15:25,925 --> 00:15:27,650 They didn't canvass the street. 253 00:15:27,754 --> 00:15:29,307 They didn't talk to neighbors. 254 00:15:29,411 --> 00:15:31,413 They didn't talk to friends, family, 255 00:15:31,516 --> 00:15:35,348 anything about what happened leading up to the event. 256 00:15:38,282 --> 00:15:41,906 When we come through training, as new deputies, 257 00:15:42,010 --> 00:15:43,459 every crime scene 258 00:15:43,563 --> 00:15:47,567 where there's a decedent, it is a homicide. 259 00:15:47,670 --> 00:15:49,051 It's not a suicide. 260 00:15:49,155 --> 00:15:50,880 The medical examiner is the one 261 00:15:50,984 --> 00:15:53,297 that makes the determination of how they died. 262 00:15:56,369 --> 00:15:57,887 The medical examiner, Dr. Hobin, 263 00:15:57,991 --> 00:16:01,305 did conduct an autopsy on September the 4th. 264 00:16:01,408 --> 00:16:03,445 During the autopsy, they found an injury 265 00:16:03,548 --> 00:16:05,965 above Michelle's right eye, a small cut. 266 00:16:06,068 --> 00:16:07,552 Hobin said that it could have been the cause 267 00:16:07,656 --> 00:16:11,280 of the ejected shell casing that came out of the gun. 268 00:16:11,384 --> 00:16:13,110 At the scene, they found pills, 269 00:16:13,213 --> 00:16:15,457 in Michelle O'Connell's pocket 270 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:20,220 and pill bottles in her purse that belonged to Jeremy Banks. 271 00:16:21,601 --> 00:16:25,639 They did a test to find out if any of them pills were taken, 272 00:16:25,743 --> 00:16:28,263 and there was nothing in her system, 273 00:16:28,366 --> 00:16:29,954 and his cause and manner of death 274 00:16:30,058 --> 00:16:32,681 is that it was a self-inflicted gunshot. 275 00:16:32,784 --> 00:16:34,510 She committed suicide. 276 00:16:39,515 --> 00:16:41,379 When I came back on duty, my sergeant said, 277 00:16:41,483 --> 00:16:43,278 "You guys need to do your supplement from that night." 278 00:16:45,004 --> 00:16:48,007 If you go up into a police report, 279 00:16:48,110 --> 00:16:50,837 you can see everybody listed-- 280 00:16:50,940 --> 00:16:54,047 victim, suspect, other person-- 281 00:16:54,151 --> 00:16:56,774 which means maybe they conducted interviews 282 00:16:56,877 --> 00:16:58,120 in the neighborhood. 283 00:16:58,224 --> 00:16:59,777 Really didn't see anybody. 284 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:02,021 Just Jeremy Banks 285 00:17:02,124 --> 00:17:04,747 and of course the deputies that were on scene, 286 00:17:04,851 --> 00:17:06,266 but that was it. 287 00:17:06,370 --> 00:17:08,544 Detectives were done. They were done. 288 00:17:09,959 --> 00:17:13,032 So how long after that night 289 00:17:13,135 --> 00:17:15,275 before they spoke with you guys again? 290 00:17:15,379 --> 00:17:16,863 I want to say it was, like, a couple weeks later. 291 00:17:16,966 --> 00:17:18,520 We had this debriefing. 292 00:17:20,867 --> 00:17:23,904 We were cautiously optimistic 293 00:17:24,008 --> 00:17:27,046 that science would be on our side 294 00:17:27,149 --> 00:17:30,221 or someone would see through this 295 00:17:30,325 --> 00:17:32,327 and stand up and do the right thing. 296 00:18:15,232 --> 00:18:18,269 The text messages are the big thing 297 00:18:18,373 --> 00:18:21,376 that they're latched onto. - Uh-huh, but they didn't 298 00:18:21,479 --> 00:18:23,654 reach out to the family to find out what we knew. 299 00:18:49,852 --> 00:18:53,166 We were shut down, and even though we had family members 300 00:18:53,270 --> 00:18:55,444 that worked for the sheriff's office, 301 00:18:55,548 --> 00:18:58,689 we're not from one of these families like Jeremy Banks, 302 00:18:58,792 --> 00:19:01,623 from a well-established family in the community, 303 00:19:01,726 --> 00:19:04,143 and the sheriff is on record saying he's known his parents 304 00:19:04,246 --> 00:19:06,904 for a long, long, long, long time. 305 00:19:07,007 --> 00:19:11,150 So here, this almost godfather- like person to Jeremy Banks. 306 00:19:11,253 --> 00:19:14,429 "Let me just take care of him, and let's just shut this down." 307 00:19:29,375 --> 00:19:33,172 Before that night, were there any other red flags? 308 00:19:33,275 --> 00:19:34,897 She'd say, you know, "He tells me 309 00:19:35,001 --> 00:19:36,485 that I can't wear these things. 310 00:19:36,589 --> 00:19:38,418 I can't go out with certain friends. 311 00:19:38,522 --> 00:19:40,455 He goes through my phone. 312 00:19:40,558 --> 00:19:43,009 He wants to know what I'm spending." 313 00:19:43,112 --> 00:19:47,496 She told me about Alexis' behaviors at school changing. 314 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,637 She was regressing with potty training, 315 00:19:50,741 --> 00:19:54,400 and then she told me, you know, he has a temper. 316 00:19:54,503 --> 00:19:55,987 So little bit by little bit, 317 00:19:56,091 --> 00:19:59,957 Michelle is telling us things are not good at home. 318 00:20:00,060 --> 00:20:02,891 I wanted her to be happy, but Michelle was telling me 319 00:20:02,994 --> 00:20:04,513 that Jeremy was becoming 320 00:20:04,617 --> 00:20:09,449 physically violent, verbally abusive. 321 00:20:09,553 --> 00:20:12,383 It was Alexis' birthday, and I remember seeing Jeremy. 322 00:20:12,487 --> 00:20:15,766 He's eating pizza, and he starts grilling Alexis, 323 00:20:15,869 --> 00:20:17,837 "Why is so and so crying? What did you do? 324 00:20:17,940 --> 00:20:20,322 What did you do?" 325 00:20:20,426 --> 00:20:22,497 And Alexis is just petrified. 326 00:20:25,741 --> 00:20:29,918 He takes my little niece by the arms, 327 00:20:30,021 --> 00:20:31,299 and he says, "Answer me." 328 00:20:31,402 --> 00:20:33,128 He, like, pulls her up. 329 00:20:33,232 --> 00:20:34,854 She's so little, and I'm sitting there, 330 00:20:34,957 --> 00:20:36,856 like, paralyzed, 331 00:20:36,959 --> 00:20:39,514 and he shakes her and slams her to the ground. 332 00:20:39,617 --> 00:20:44,864 Like, he puts her down so hard. 333 00:20:44,967 --> 00:20:46,900 and I grab Michelle, and I said, "I got to talk to you. 334 00:20:47,004 --> 00:20:48,523 Jeremy is out of control." 335 00:20:48,626 --> 00:20:51,250 She's like, "I know. I know." 336 00:20:56,393 --> 00:20:58,567 What happened the night of the murder? 337 00:20:58,671 --> 00:21:01,260 On September 2nd, we met for lunch, 338 00:21:01,363 --> 00:21:02,882 and she told me, "I'm leaving him." 339 00:21:04,746 --> 00:21:07,576 We talked about her plan, and she said, 340 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:08,750 "Well, there's going to be trouble tonight 341 00:21:08,853 --> 00:21:10,752 because he wants to go out after the concert, 342 00:21:10,855 --> 00:21:13,306 but I start my new position in the morning, 343 00:21:13,410 --> 00:21:14,618 and I gotta be ready." 344 00:21:18,380 --> 00:21:20,451 Michelle was a student of mine 345 00:21:20,555 --> 00:21:24,938 since ninth grade-- September 2010. 346 00:21:25,042 --> 00:21:27,527 I got to hire her as a full-time employee 347 00:21:27,631 --> 00:21:29,805 for the child care center. 348 00:21:31,117 --> 00:21:34,741 She had a natural talent for working with the children, 349 00:21:34,845 --> 00:21:38,227 and finally, she had what she called a real job. 350 00:21:38,331 --> 00:21:40,678 She said, "Now I can get my own apartment," 351 00:21:40,782 --> 00:21:43,474 a place for just she and Alexis. 352 00:21:43,578 --> 00:21:45,442 She was excited about her new life, 353 00:21:45,545 --> 00:21:48,203 and the only thing wrong in her life was Jeremy. 354 00:21:48,307 --> 00:21:49,998 There seemed to be a lot of arguing, 355 00:21:50,101 --> 00:21:52,138 and he wasn't very respectful. 356 00:21:52,241 --> 00:21:53,691 From things that Michelle had told me, 357 00:21:53,795 --> 00:21:56,176 he seemed to have quite a temper. 358 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:57,730 She said, "No, I'm getting out." 359 00:21:57,833 --> 00:22:01,630 I was so happy. I was happy, and I was afraid. 360 00:22:01,734 --> 00:22:03,391 The most deadliest time for a victim 361 00:22:03,494 --> 00:22:06,255 is when they choose to leave. 362 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,569 She had a plan. She was leaving. He snapped. 363 00:22:09,673 --> 00:22:16,093 He killed her, and then this sheriff protected him. 364 00:22:17,888 --> 00:22:22,513 September 2010, Jeremy Banks called 911, 365 00:22:22,617 --> 00:22:26,172 saying his girlfriend Michelle O'Connell shot herself. 366 00:22:26,275 --> 00:22:28,070 He's been forthright. 367 00:22:28,174 --> 00:22:30,797 He has not been hiding anything. 368 00:22:30,901 --> 00:22:33,766 St. Johns County Sheriff David Shoar, Banks' boss, 369 00:22:33,869 --> 00:22:36,907 says after a thorough review of the evidence, 370 00:22:37,010 --> 00:22:38,633 his conclusion-- 371 00:22:38,736 --> 00:22:43,223 If there was any doubt at all in my mind, 372 00:22:43,327 --> 00:22:44,777 we would still be investigating this case. 373 00:22:48,988 --> 00:22:52,371 Here, we have this idyllic seaside town, 374 00:22:52,474 --> 00:22:55,926 and this terrible tragedy happens. 375 00:22:56,029 --> 00:22:57,306 A young woman is dead. 376 00:22:57,410 --> 00:23:00,551 Her boyfriend says that she killed herself, 377 00:23:00,655 --> 00:23:04,417 but there are members of the sheriff's department 378 00:23:04,521 --> 00:23:06,626 that doubt that narrative. 379 00:23:06,730 --> 00:23:08,421 Michelle's family members 380 00:23:08,525 --> 00:23:12,563 adamantly deny that's what has happened, 381 00:23:12,667 --> 00:23:14,738 and members of the community are split. 382 00:23:16,705 --> 00:23:18,811 When we realized what we were up against, 383 00:23:18,914 --> 00:23:22,953 Michelle's friends and our family kept pushing. 384 00:23:23,056 --> 00:23:25,576 Social media petitions, 385 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:30,201 rallies, I e-mailed the sheriff endlessly. 386 00:23:30,305 --> 00:23:32,583 More and more, we started demanding justice for Michelle 387 00:23:32,687 --> 00:23:34,930 and not going away. 388 00:23:35,034 --> 00:23:37,346 Our voice was not going to be dismissed. 389 00:23:37,450 --> 00:23:39,314 I reached out to the Florida Coalition 390 00:23:39,418 --> 00:23:41,005 Against Domestic Violence, 391 00:23:41,109 --> 00:23:44,768 the National Domestic Violence, and it was in the news. 392 00:23:44,871 --> 00:23:46,942 We would think that the St. Johns County Sheriff's office 393 00:23:47,046 --> 00:23:49,255 would like some transparency also and show 394 00:23:49,358 --> 00:23:51,809 that by ordering a coroner's inquest 395 00:23:51,913 --> 00:23:53,570 if they have nothing to hide. 396 00:23:53,673 --> 00:23:55,675 The investigation should continue. 397 00:23:55,779 --> 00:23:58,747 There is something suspicious. 398 00:23:58,851 --> 00:24:00,300 There's got to be some more evidence, 399 00:24:00,404 --> 00:24:03,234 something that hasn't been uncovered. 400 00:24:06,997 --> 00:24:09,413 I'm on my way to meet Clu Wright, 401 00:24:09,517 --> 00:24:11,553 a private investigator. 402 00:24:11,657 --> 00:24:17,248 Clu, pro bono, has decided to focus on Michelle's case. 403 00:24:17,352 --> 00:24:19,665 Clu Wright is a local. 404 00:24:19,768 --> 00:24:22,046 Knows everybody in town. 405 00:24:22,150 --> 00:24:26,188 Knows the folks who are in the positions of power. 406 00:24:26,292 --> 00:24:31,159 He is making this analysis as a member of this community. 407 00:24:31,262 --> 00:24:33,989 Clu's assessment of everything will help clear up 408 00:24:34,093 --> 00:24:35,543 a lot of my questions. 409 00:24:37,165 --> 00:24:38,787 How are you? - I'm doing great. how are you? 410 00:24:38,891 --> 00:24:40,513 I'm well. It's so nice to meet you. 411 00:24:40,617 --> 00:24:41,756 You too. 412 00:24:41,859 --> 00:24:46,830 There is a ton to just dig into. 413 00:24:46,933 --> 00:24:49,660 Well, the family was strongly against the sheriff's office 414 00:24:49,764 --> 00:24:51,075 investigating this case to begin with 415 00:24:51,179 --> 00:24:54,044 because it was a a deputy involved service weapon. 416 00:24:54,147 --> 00:24:55,735 There was a lot of support from the outside, too, 417 00:24:55,839 --> 00:24:57,496 that the sheriff's office 418 00:24:57,599 --> 00:24:59,843 should have never investigated one of their own. 419 00:24:59,946 --> 00:25:02,742 Why didn't an independent investigator 420 00:25:02,846 --> 00:25:04,606 immediately take charge of the case? 421 00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:06,194 That's a good question, 422 00:25:06,297 --> 00:25:09,542 and I probably should have called them in earlier. 423 00:25:09,646 --> 00:25:12,856 I think there was a mindset that it was a suicide. 424 00:25:12,959 --> 00:25:14,409 We didn't secure statements 425 00:25:14,513 --> 00:25:16,169 from some individuals we should have. 426 00:25:16,273 --> 00:25:18,758 Four months after the incident, Sheriff Shoar 427 00:25:18,862 --> 00:25:21,589 requested the Florida department law enforcement 428 00:25:21,692 --> 00:25:24,592 to conduct an independent investigation. 429 00:25:26,628 --> 00:25:29,148 When our family learned the FDLE was getting involved-- 430 00:25:29,251 --> 00:25:32,945 an outside investigation-- we definitely felt 431 00:25:33,048 --> 00:25:36,189 we were on the path to justice for Michelle. 432 00:25:36,983 --> 00:25:38,744 The investigator today assigned to her case, 433 00:25:38,847 --> 00:25:40,711 to this case was Rusty Rogers. 434 00:25:40,815 --> 00:25:42,506 During his investigation, 435 00:25:42,610 --> 00:25:43,990 he is starting to collect evidence. 436 00:25:44,094 --> 00:25:46,130 He is interviewing numerous people 437 00:25:46,234 --> 00:25:48,719 and coming up with a hypothesis 438 00:25:48,823 --> 00:25:50,825 of how Michelle O'Connell died. 439 00:25:52,758 --> 00:25:54,967 I met Agent Rogers, 440 00:25:55,070 --> 00:25:57,625 and he wanted to do a victimology on my sister, 441 00:25:57,728 --> 00:25:59,799 and I said, "Finally." 442 00:25:59,903 --> 00:26:01,974 He was actively asking me questions, 443 00:26:02,077 --> 00:26:03,700 and challenging me, "Well, what about this? 444 00:26:03,803 --> 00:26:06,668 And what about that?" and really investigating, 445 00:26:06,772 --> 00:26:08,463 "Oh, she was getting a promotion? 446 00:26:08,567 --> 00:26:10,292 "Oh, he took her phone sometimes? 447 00:26:10,396 --> 00:26:12,398 "Oh you saw Jeremy hurt Alexis? 448 00:26:12,501 --> 00:26:14,400 Okay." 449 00:26:14,503 --> 00:26:15,781 And my niece, Alexis, 450 00:26:15,884 --> 00:26:19,647 was interviewed by a forensic psychologist 451 00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:22,788 that authored an opinion that Alexis was abused 452 00:26:22,891 --> 00:26:24,824 at the hands of Jeremy Banks, 453 00:26:24,928 --> 00:26:29,242 and Alexis' mother was abused at the hands of Jeremy Banks, 454 00:26:29,346 --> 00:26:30,968 and Alexis witnessed it. 455 00:26:32,660 --> 00:26:34,765 The sheriff's office reports 456 00:26:34,869 --> 00:26:36,974 the night Michelle O'Connell died, 457 00:26:37,078 --> 00:26:40,253 detectives did not do a canvass of the neighborhood. 458 00:26:40,357 --> 00:26:42,670 Agent Rogers came in to the neighborhood 459 00:26:42,773 --> 00:26:45,707 where Jeremy Banks lives at, 460 00:26:45,811 --> 00:26:48,917 and he finds two witnesses. 461 00:26:49,021 --> 00:26:51,989 Oswald says she was in her garage with another friend 462 00:26:52,093 --> 00:26:54,060 and heard a couple arguing. 463 00:26:54,164 --> 00:26:56,822 And then we heard a woman yell for help. 464 00:26:56,925 --> 00:26:58,686 Then there was a gunshot, 465 00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:59,825 and then there was another yell for help 466 00:26:59,928 --> 00:27:01,620 and another gunshot. 467 00:27:01,723 --> 00:27:04,243 And you definitely heard a woman call for help 468 00:27:04,346 --> 00:27:05,520 not once but twice? 469 00:27:05,624 --> 00:27:07,315 Twice. 470 00:27:07,418 --> 00:27:09,697 He finds two earwitnesses that say they heard 471 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,838 a woman scream and gunshots. 472 00:27:12,941 --> 00:27:14,909 What else does Rogers uncover? 473 00:27:15,012 --> 00:27:19,430 He tested for DNA of the gun. 474 00:27:19,534 --> 00:27:24,746 They said they found none of Jeremy Banks' DNA on the gun. 475 00:27:24,850 --> 00:27:27,197 The service weapon was Jeremy's. 476 00:27:27,300 --> 00:27:28,716 What does it tell you 477 00:27:28,819 --> 00:27:31,063 that there isn't any of his DNA on this weapon? 478 00:27:31,166 --> 00:27:33,755 Somebody wiped that gun clean. 479 00:27:33,859 --> 00:27:35,895 Jeremy Banks' DNA should be on that gun. 480 00:27:35,999 --> 00:27:38,864 Okay. The location of the gun 481 00:27:38,967 --> 00:27:42,419 becomes another very important piece of evidence. 482 00:27:42,522 --> 00:27:44,007 Tell me about that. 483 00:27:44,110 --> 00:27:48,114 Michelle O'Connell is a right-handed person. 484 00:27:48,218 --> 00:27:51,014 The gun was found on her left side. 485 00:27:51,117 --> 00:27:55,812 If she's right-handed, how did the gun get to her left side? 486 00:27:55,915 --> 00:27:57,434 How did the sheriff's department 487 00:27:57,537 --> 00:27:59,919 explain all of the issues? 488 00:28:00,023 --> 00:28:03,958 Explain to me what the second medical examiner's theory was. 489 00:28:04,061 --> 00:28:06,098 How did Michelle shoot herself? 490 00:28:06,201 --> 00:28:08,617 Well, Dr. Bulic is the chief medical examiner, 491 00:28:08,721 --> 00:28:10,274 forensic pathologist. 492 00:28:10,378 --> 00:28:14,693 They asked him to revisit the case and render an opinion. 493 00:28:14,796 --> 00:28:17,972 Dr. Bulic, he come up with a different theory 494 00:28:18,075 --> 00:28:21,872 of how he thought Michelle O'Connell committed suicide. 495 00:28:21,976 --> 00:28:23,322 He copy and paste some stuff 496 00:28:23,425 --> 00:28:25,634 on a piece of paper with some measurements. 497 00:28:25,738 --> 00:28:27,291 Mm-hmm. 498 00:28:27,395 --> 00:28:30,294 But in this picture, you'll see Dr. Bulic, 499 00:28:30,398 --> 00:28:33,608 how he thinks she received the injury above her eye. 500 00:28:33,712 --> 00:28:36,024 He holds a gun upside-down. 501 00:28:36,128 --> 00:28:38,855 Michelle sticks the gun in her mouth, 502 00:28:38,958 --> 00:28:41,823 and when she fires, the tac light went forward 503 00:28:41,927 --> 00:28:43,825 and caused the injury to her eye. 504 00:28:43,929 --> 00:28:47,104 Well, anybody that has any knowledge in service weapons 505 00:28:47,208 --> 00:28:49,175 know that when fire that gun, 506 00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:51,868 it doesn't matter what position you have, it recoils backwards. 507 00:28:51,971 --> 00:28:55,526 Yeah, I've never heard of a gun jumping forward. 508 00:28:55,630 --> 00:28:58,219 Dr. Bulic gave his opinion and ruled it a suicide, 509 00:28:58,322 --> 00:29:00,635 and that's what the sheriff's office ran with. 510 00:29:00,739 --> 00:29:03,362 But other experts disagreed, right? 511 00:29:03,465 --> 00:29:07,469 Yeah, Agent Rogers hired a forensic expert, Mr. Findley. 512 00:29:07,573 --> 00:29:10,058 They did a lot of forensics on the gun, the firing of the gun. 513 00:29:10,162 --> 00:29:11,439 He shoots it with the left hand, 514 00:29:11,542 --> 00:29:14,269 the right hand, upside-down. 515 00:29:14,373 --> 00:29:16,755 Dr. Findley says there's no way that Michelle O'Connell 516 00:29:16,858 --> 00:29:18,653 could have shot herself in this position 517 00:29:18,757 --> 00:29:21,829 with this gun upside-down. 518 00:29:21,932 --> 00:29:23,934 Also, my question would be, 519 00:29:24,038 --> 00:29:25,764 if somebody was to shoot herself, 520 00:29:25,867 --> 00:29:27,144 you would expect a large amount of blood 521 00:29:27,248 --> 00:29:29,768 would be visible somewhere on the carpet, 522 00:29:29,871 --> 00:29:32,011 on the floor, on the shirt, on the bed. 523 00:29:32,115 --> 00:29:34,082 There's no blood from her neck down. 524 00:29:34,186 --> 00:29:38,777 All the blood flow is running down the side of her face. 525 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,020 As facts of the case came out, 526 00:29:41,124 --> 00:29:44,058 as told to us by Agent Rogers, 527 00:29:44,161 --> 00:29:46,508 everyone on my shift walked out and said, 528 00:29:46,612 --> 00:29:48,890 [exhales] "Are you kidding me? 529 00:29:48,994 --> 00:29:50,892 He killed her." 530 00:29:50,996 --> 00:29:53,861 I was devastated. 531 00:29:53,964 --> 00:29:57,036 Agent Rogers presents a PowerPoint show 532 00:29:57,140 --> 00:29:59,073 to the medical examiner's office 533 00:29:59,176 --> 00:30:03,249 and the reason why he thinks Michelle O'Connell did not 534 00:30:03,353 --> 00:30:06,390 shoot herself, and during that presentation 535 00:30:06,494 --> 00:30:10,049 is when Dr. Hobin changed the death certificate 536 00:30:10,153 --> 00:30:12,569 from a suicide to a homicide. 537 00:30:17,712 --> 00:30:20,577 [somber music] 538 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,406 539 00:30:22,510 --> 00:30:26,963 Agent Rusty Rogers does the investigation. 540 00:30:27,066 --> 00:30:28,585 What happens next? 541 00:30:28,688 --> 00:30:31,795 What happened was the FDLE did their investigation. 542 00:30:31,899 --> 00:30:34,211 It was presented to the state attorney, 543 00:30:34,315 --> 00:30:37,111 who at the time was R.J. Larizza. 544 00:30:37,214 --> 00:30:39,976 It felt good. It felt like someone's gonna listen. 545 00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:44,118 This is now in the right hands, and I was very hopeful 546 00:30:44,221 --> 00:30:47,673 that there would be, you know, charges. 547 00:30:47,776 --> 00:30:49,157 An investigator who works 548 00:30:49,261 --> 00:30:51,263 for the state attorney's office called me, 549 00:30:51,366 --> 00:30:53,679 and they want to talk about Michelle. 550 00:30:53,782 --> 00:30:56,716 "We know something terrible happened to your daughter. 551 00:30:56,820 --> 00:31:00,237 We need permission to exhume her." 552 00:31:00,341 --> 00:31:05,104 I broke into tears, and I was shaking, 553 00:31:05,208 --> 00:31:08,073 and I thought, "They're gonna see what really happened. 554 00:31:08,176 --> 00:31:10,006 They know something's up. They really do." 555 00:31:12,249 --> 00:31:13,906 I heard while I was working 556 00:31:14,010 --> 00:31:17,323 that there was a warrant for Jeremy. 557 00:31:17,427 --> 00:31:20,223 And I thought Rusty Rogers had gotten enough evidence 558 00:31:20,326 --> 00:31:24,123 to go ahead and arrest him for this homicide. 559 00:31:24,227 --> 00:31:25,780 For the exhumation, 560 00:31:25,884 --> 00:31:28,300 they were gonna send me a form to sign. 561 00:31:28,403 --> 00:31:31,890 For 2 weeks, nobody sends me no form. 562 00:31:33,961 --> 00:31:35,997 My mom never heard from them again. 563 00:31:38,448 --> 00:31:40,968 And then R.J. Larizza, the state attorney, 564 00:31:41,071 --> 00:31:43,936 writes a letter to our then governor and says, 565 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,042 "I need to recuse myself 566 00:31:46,145 --> 00:31:49,114 because I'm too involved with the sheriff," 567 00:31:49,217 --> 00:31:51,944 and all the information was sent to another state attorney, 568 00:31:52,048 --> 00:31:56,915 Brad King, who ordered his own investigation 569 00:31:57,018 --> 00:32:01,574 and had a former medical examiner review the case, 570 00:32:01,678 --> 00:32:05,578 and this medical examiner says, "I think it was a suicide." 571 00:32:07,753 --> 00:32:10,307 And that was the second worst day of my life. 572 00:32:13,862 --> 00:32:16,244 Brad King, in our family meeting, 573 00:32:16,348 --> 00:32:19,109 said something along the lines of, "You know, 574 00:32:19,213 --> 00:32:22,216 it'd be terrible to accuse a man of a crime he didn't do." 575 00:32:24,873 --> 00:32:27,911 Did you have anything to do 576 00:32:28,015 --> 00:32:30,051 with Michelle's death? - No, sir. 577 00:32:30,155 --> 00:32:32,951 - Did you kill Michelle? - No, sir. 578 00:32:33,054 --> 00:32:35,436 I remember visiting her grave. 579 00:32:35,539 --> 00:32:38,473 A friend of hers showed up, and we sat and talked, 580 00:32:38,577 --> 00:32:40,579 and she asked me that question too. 581 00:32:40,682 --> 00:32:43,099 My answer is always going to be the same, no. 582 00:32:46,343 --> 00:32:47,862 After the Florida Department 583 00:32:47,966 --> 00:32:49,968 of Law Enforcement investigation, 584 00:32:50,071 --> 00:32:53,005 it gets shut down. 585 00:32:53,109 --> 00:32:55,835 And I went in, and I talked to the detectives, 586 00:32:55,939 --> 00:32:57,527 and I said, "Why was I just informed 587 00:32:57,630 --> 00:33:00,116 that this case is going nowhere, 588 00:33:00,219 --> 00:33:03,015 that you are not arresting Jeremy Banks?" 589 00:33:03,119 --> 00:33:08,055 I was livid. 590 00:33:08,158 --> 00:33:13,301 This is a copy of an e-mail I sent Brad King. 591 00:33:13,405 --> 00:33:20,205 "There's a code of silence in law enforcement. 592 00:33:20,308 --> 00:33:25,141 "We don't tell on each other. We don't rat each other out 593 00:33:25,244 --> 00:33:28,903 "because you might be running into that gunfight alone. 594 00:33:29,007 --> 00:33:33,114 "The blue or green line, it's not thin. 595 00:33:33,218 --> 00:33:36,186 It's really thick, 596 00:33:36,290 --> 00:33:42,227 and when you're on the wrong side of that line--" 597 00:33:42,330 --> 00:33:46,058 I sent Mr. King this e-mail. 598 00:33:46,162 --> 00:33:48,405 Dr. Hobin made a statement 599 00:33:48,509 --> 00:33:52,547 that when he changed the death certificate, 600 00:33:52,651 --> 00:33:55,067 he was convinced it was probably homicide. 601 00:33:55,171 --> 00:33:56,896 He said those words. 602 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,071 What would it hurt 603 00:33:59,175 --> 00:34:04,559 to at least let this go in front of a jury? 604 00:34:04,663 --> 00:34:06,734 I would write this again. 605 00:34:08,494 --> 00:34:11,566 We have Jeremy Banks with us and his parents. 606 00:34:11,670 --> 00:34:14,362 I've known both of them for many, many, many years. 607 00:34:14,466 --> 00:34:16,261 This guy right here came so damn 608 00:34:16,364 --> 00:34:20,748 close to being charged with homicide, it's scary. 609 00:34:23,406 --> 00:34:25,649 We then get introduced to Clu Wright, 610 00:34:25,753 --> 00:34:28,721 and he reaches out to our family and says, 611 00:34:28,825 --> 00:34:30,275 "There's something wrong. 612 00:34:30,378 --> 00:34:32,967 I'm going to do my own personal investigation." 613 00:34:33,071 --> 00:34:36,557 He said, "Patty, I need permission to exhume Michelle," 614 00:34:36,660 --> 00:34:38,938 and he said, "I'm going to have 615 00:34:39,042 --> 00:34:42,666 a medical examiner do another autopsy." 616 00:34:42,770 --> 00:34:46,498 And I said, "Okay." He just wants the truth. 617 00:34:48,396 --> 00:34:51,710 You ask Michelle's family if you can exhume 618 00:34:51,813 --> 00:34:55,300 Michelle's body four years after her death, 619 00:34:55,403 --> 00:34:56,853 and that was the autopsy 620 00:34:56,956 --> 00:34:59,338 that you guys have been fighting for for years. 621 00:34:59,442 --> 00:35:02,376 Now we have the opportunity to do it. 622 00:35:02,479 --> 00:35:05,172 I found a forensic pathologist, Dr. William Anderson, 623 00:35:05,275 --> 00:35:07,519 and he agreed to conduct 624 00:35:07,622 --> 00:35:11,074 the second autopsy of Michelle O'Connell for free. 625 00:35:11,178 --> 00:35:13,387 - That's huge. - It is huge. 626 00:35:15,389 --> 00:35:18,288 I am Dr. William Anderson. I am a forensic pathologist. 627 00:35:18,392 --> 00:35:20,532 I've probably done about 9,000 autopsies. 628 00:35:22,327 --> 00:35:24,605 Suicides, in the thousands, 629 00:35:24,708 --> 00:35:29,196 many of which are gunshot wounds, and many homicides. 630 00:35:29,299 --> 00:35:31,922 Clu Wright contacted me because he wanted me 631 00:35:32,026 --> 00:35:33,683 to look into this case 632 00:35:33,786 --> 00:35:36,720 to see whether or not this was a suicide. 633 00:35:36,824 --> 00:35:40,345 The first thing I did was to look at 634 00:35:40,448 --> 00:35:42,312 all the information I had 635 00:35:42,416 --> 00:35:45,488 to see if there's anything that's unusual, and right away, 636 00:35:45,591 --> 00:35:47,800 there were a couple of red flags that came up. 637 00:35:47,904 --> 00:35:50,113 There was, on the x-ray, it looked like a fracture 638 00:35:50,217 --> 00:35:52,909 of the mandible, or the jaw bone. 639 00:35:53,012 --> 00:35:55,325 That was a problem because it had not been reported 640 00:35:55,429 --> 00:35:57,569 in the medical examiner's report. 641 00:35:57,672 --> 00:36:00,054 I felt we needed to go ahead and do an exhumation. 642 00:36:00,158 --> 00:36:03,057 643 00:36:03,161 --> 00:36:04,231 We had to get with the cemetery 644 00:36:04,334 --> 00:36:05,818 and get everything signed 645 00:36:05,922 --> 00:36:08,718 and done in accordance with the laws of Florida. 646 00:36:08,821 --> 00:36:10,616 The body was exhumed. 647 00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:13,550 We wanted to keep this a secret from anybody and everybody 648 00:36:13,654 --> 00:36:16,312 until after the autopsy was done. 649 00:36:16,415 --> 00:36:17,968 It took a little while, but I kept aggravating him. 650 00:36:18,072 --> 00:36:20,316 I said, "Listen, Dr. Anderson, I'm an impatient person. 651 00:36:20,419 --> 00:36:21,627 Come on. You got to do this report." 652 00:36:21,731 --> 00:36:23,698 So finally he got it back to me, you know, 653 00:36:23,802 --> 00:36:26,149 and when I looked at that report, 654 00:36:26,253 --> 00:36:27,461 I'm like, "That's great news." 655 00:36:32,914 --> 00:36:36,159 What does the new autopsy report show? 656 00:36:36,263 --> 00:36:38,230 Dr. Anderson told me that her mandible, 657 00:36:38,334 --> 00:36:40,577 straight down the middle of her jaw bone, 658 00:36:40,681 --> 00:36:42,200 and it was fractured all the way through 659 00:36:42,303 --> 00:36:43,718 So her chin was broken in half. 660 00:36:43,822 --> 00:36:45,755 Her chin was broken in half, yes. 661 00:36:45,858 --> 00:36:48,792 That's a really, like, strong bone. 662 00:36:48,896 --> 00:36:50,553 It's, like, the strongest bone in your head, right? 663 00:36:50,656 --> 00:36:52,451 Yes. 664 00:36:52,555 --> 00:36:55,143 So he was saying it would take a significant amount of force, 665 00:36:55,247 --> 00:36:57,318 you know, like a boxer or getting in a wreck 666 00:36:57,422 --> 00:37:00,287 or some type of kicking force to really break that. 667 00:37:02,047 --> 00:37:04,394 And during this autopsy, my conclusion was, 668 00:37:04,498 --> 00:37:06,327 looking at all the patterns of injuries, 669 00:37:06,431 --> 00:37:08,881 the blow to the jaw, 670 00:37:08,985 --> 00:37:12,471 which enough to incapacitate her, stun her at least, 671 00:37:12,575 --> 00:37:14,922 and then the gunshot is fired. 672 00:37:15,025 --> 00:37:19,340 The gunshot is fired in a way that strongly indicates 673 00:37:19,444 --> 00:37:22,723 that she did not have reflex capability 674 00:37:22,826 --> 00:37:24,172 to prevent her tongue 675 00:37:24,276 --> 00:37:26,761 from being forced into the back of her mouth, 676 00:37:26,865 --> 00:37:28,763 which would mean she was unconscious 677 00:37:28,867 --> 00:37:33,458 or at least areflexive at the time. 678 00:37:33,561 --> 00:37:36,150 This feels like a bombshell. 679 00:37:36,254 --> 00:37:37,841 It is a bombshell. 680 00:37:37,945 --> 00:37:40,913 I--you know, in domestic violence cases, 681 00:37:41,017 --> 00:37:45,746 showing that there's an attack, showing that there's an abuse 682 00:37:45,849 --> 00:37:48,438 is such an important part of creating what happened, 683 00:37:48,542 --> 00:37:51,614 the story of what happened, like, the victimology. 684 00:37:51,717 --> 00:37:53,788 The report from Dr. Anderson 685 00:37:53,892 --> 00:37:56,826 showed that Michelle's jaw was fractured. 686 00:37:56,929 --> 00:38:00,381 Michelle was battered, and there was a struggle, 687 00:38:00,485 --> 00:38:04,143 and Michelle was murdered. 688 00:38:04,247 --> 00:38:06,456 There was a crime. 689 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,528 It was not a suicide. 690 00:38:09,632 --> 00:38:11,461 We continue an I-Team investigation 691 00:38:11,565 --> 00:38:14,361 of new autopsy findings in the controversial death 692 00:38:14,464 --> 00:38:16,846 of a St. Augustine woman, Michelle O'Connell. 693 00:38:16,949 --> 00:38:18,261 Since this came out, 694 00:38:18,365 --> 00:38:20,159 St. Johns County Sheriff David Shoar, 695 00:38:20,263 --> 00:38:22,852 who has for years stood by the initial findings 696 00:38:22,955 --> 00:38:24,440 that this was a suicide, 697 00:38:24,543 --> 00:38:26,925 penned a lengthy and scathing letter saying, 698 00:38:27,028 --> 00:38:29,824 "The information presented today is nothing new 699 00:38:29,928 --> 00:38:32,724 "and all was reviewed during the initial autopsy. 700 00:38:32,827 --> 00:38:35,313 "Molesting Michelle from her place of rest 701 00:38:35,416 --> 00:38:37,625 "using some freelance-type approach 702 00:38:37,729 --> 00:38:40,973 is beyond unconventional. It was reprehensible." 703 00:38:41,077 --> 00:38:48,015 704 00:38:51,708 --> 00:38:53,607 You get to a point, you know, you got to tell yourself 705 00:38:53,710 --> 00:38:56,472 to slow down because you're overlooking things. 706 00:38:56,575 --> 00:38:59,544 I started looking into the crime scene photos. 707 00:38:59,647 --> 00:39:03,410 There's eight photographs that were taken by a deputy 708 00:39:03,513 --> 00:39:05,481 before anything was moved. 709 00:39:05,584 --> 00:39:07,655 There is a shirt that's on the bed. 710 00:39:07,759 --> 00:39:12,315 It's right above her head. So I zoomed in on that shirt. 711 00:39:12,419 --> 00:39:14,490 I jumped up. I'm like, "What the hell?" 712 00:39:14,593 --> 00:39:16,664 It appears to have a gunshot hole in it. 713 00:39:16,768 --> 00:39:20,703 You can see the jagged edges with gunpowder, blood. 714 00:39:20,806 --> 00:39:23,291 You can almost tell that there's an outline of a gun. 715 00:39:23,395 --> 00:39:26,260 This shirt was never tested. 716 00:39:26,364 --> 00:39:29,297 I submitted this photograph to a forensic photographer 717 00:39:29,401 --> 00:39:30,816 to look at this shirt. 718 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:31,886 The St. Johns County Sheriff's office, 719 00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:33,336 state attorney's office, 720 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,338 they use this same person on their cases. 721 00:39:35,442 --> 00:39:36,926 In his professional opinion, 722 00:39:37,029 --> 00:39:38,652 there's a bullet hole in that shirt. 723 00:39:41,102 --> 00:39:45,279 My theory is that shirt was put over Michelle O'Connell's face. 724 00:39:45,383 --> 00:39:49,559 That gun was shoved into her mouth, and that gun was fired. 725 00:39:49,663 --> 00:39:52,010 That's why you see no other blood on the floor 726 00:39:52,113 --> 00:39:55,151 or anywhere else except running down the side of her face. 727 00:39:58,741 --> 00:40:01,295 This is a massive piece of evidence. 728 00:40:01,399 --> 00:40:03,470 This is the most important forensic evidence 729 00:40:03,573 --> 00:40:05,575 at that scene. 730 00:40:05,679 --> 00:40:07,405 I think it would break this case wide open. 731 00:40:17,794 --> 00:40:20,279 I never realized how powerful 732 00:40:20,383 --> 00:40:23,697 the sheriff in a town could be 733 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,562 and how people can misuse that power, 734 00:40:26,665 --> 00:40:28,909 but this experience with my sister, 735 00:40:29,012 --> 00:40:33,672 watching all these twists and all these mishandlings, 736 00:40:33,776 --> 00:40:36,434 it's changed how I look at people. 737 00:40:37,918 --> 00:40:41,024 The new sheriff is Robby Hardwick, 738 00:40:41,128 --> 00:40:43,993 and I hope he is motivated to do the right thing. 739 00:40:46,064 --> 00:40:49,723 I'm glad that she has you. You have such a strength, 740 00:40:51,932 --> 00:40:55,453 and I don't know how you do it, and I'm sure there are days 741 00:40:55,556 --> 00:40:58,939 that are worse and better than others. 742 00:40:59,042 --> 00:41:02,390 I have perpetual hope that the right information 743 00:41:02,494 --> 00:41:04,876 will get in the right hands and the right person will care, 744 00:41:04,979 --> 00:41:08,569 you know, and be moved by the story, 745 00:41:08,673 --> 00:41:10,537 and I think someday I'll come out here, 746 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,264 and I'll say, "I did it. You know, we did it." 747 00:41:14,368 --> 00:41:16,439 I will because it's just, like-- 748 00:41:16,543 --> 00:41:17,889 Yeah, I know. I know. 749 00:41:17,992 --> 00:41:20,892 Thank you. It's just, like, a promise. 750 00:41:27,174 --> 00:41:29,210 The only two people that really know 751 00:41:29,314 --> 00:41:34,008 what happened that night are Michelle and Jeremy, 752 00:41:34,112 --> 00:41:36,942 and yet there are members of the sheriff's department, 753 00:41:37,046 --> 00:41:40,532 members of the community who have very really concerns 754 00:41:40,636 --> 00:41:43,155 about how the investigation played out. 755 00:41:43,259 --> 00:41:45,537 So at the very least, 756 00:41:45,641 --> 00:41:47,505 put the information in front of a grand jury. 757 00:41:49,645 --> 00:41:54,201 Hope lies with good people coming forward 758 00:41:54,304 --> 00:41:57,411 and doing work that is hard. 759 00:41:57,515 --> 00:42:00,552 When you know something is wrong, 760 00:42:00,656 --> 00:42:03,106 there's no one else to come in and fix it. 761 00:42:03,210 --> 00:42:04,556 You have to do it. 762 00:42:04,660 --> 00:42:11,667 58175

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