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With Top Gun,Tom Cruise had risen so high.
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I feel the need...
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So fast...
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The need for speed.
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Top Gun is the solidification
of Tom Cruise as megastar.
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But for his next maneuver...
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Tom Cruise is not going
to take the easy route.
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No. Each film that I've done,
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I've been very specific
from the choices.
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Tom liked to act.
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It's a tough life.
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[Charles] It was important
to him to be seen
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as a serious actor.
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For Tom,
it wasn't all about the money.
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Whatever color it was.
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Maybe the money
is what's throwing you
off here today.
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The Color of Money
was a big moment for him.
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You gotta have
two things to win.
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You gotta have brains
and you gotta have balls.
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And he showed that he had chops.
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Tom Cruise was on a path
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to acting excellence.
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But as we'll find out,
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there were two movies
on the horizon,
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Rain Manand Born on the Fourth of July,
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where Cruise
would need to deliver
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his best performances yet.
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If we don't go
on that emotional journey
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through Tom's performance,
there is no movie.
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Did you fucking hear
what I said?
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From working with a legend
on Rain Man...
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- Yeah.
- Dustin can be prickly.
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...to the wrath
of Oliver Stone
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on the set of
Born on the Fourth of July.
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He's intimidating.
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The man is terrifying.
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He's fearless
and he expects you to be.
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Are you trying to rat fuck me?
What the fuck is this?
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Get off my set.
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Learn those effing lines.
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My name is Ron Kovic,
I'm a Vietnam veteran.
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But would these two
legendary performances
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be enough?
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And the Oscar goes to...
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After 1986's Top Gun,
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Tom Cruise was flying high,
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but this action star heartthrob
felt the need for less speed.
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And Tom doesn't go
"I'll just go the payday
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in those high action movies."
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Instead,
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Tom Cruise took
a costarring role
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alongside Paul Newman
in The Color of Money,
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working with acclaimed
Oscar-winning director,
Martin Scorsese.
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Tom tries to not pick projects
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based on the business
of show business.
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Tom picks projects
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based on what he wants to do.
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And what he wanted to do next
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shook things up
all over again.
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- Drinks are on the house.
-
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Which brings us
to the next chapter
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in Tom Cruise's career.
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And it's these two movies
he filmed in 1988
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that would prove
once and for all
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that Tom Cruise
wasn't just an action star.
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Tom had something
to prove, still.
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You know,
that he was a real actor.
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To help prove
that he was a real actor,
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Tom wanted to work
with another real director.
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He just really wanted
to work with Oliver.
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Oliver Stone.
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At the time,
he was, and still is,
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one of the greatest directors
of... of our age.
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Oliver Stone's recent successes
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with Talk Radioand Wall Street,
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and he had already won
an Oscar for one war movie.
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And his next film,
starring Tom Cruise,
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would be a passion project
over a decade in the making.
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I gave three quarters
of my body in Vietnam.
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Born on the Fourth of July,
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was the deeply
personal story of Ron Kovic.
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[Frank] It's such an incredible story.
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A Vietnam vet
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whose book of the same name
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explored the human cost
of the American War machine.
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[Frank] Ron Kovic's journey
and it's a war story.
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How he changed when he came
home and who he became.
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Kovic was
a very flawed character.
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For Tom Cruise it would be
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a chance to explore
a complicated subject.
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With the director known
for his uncompromising take
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on the American experience.
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Oliver really honored that,
as did Tom,
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because you're telling
Ron's story,
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which is so significant.
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This was an incredible
choice for him to make.
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Sometimes, God, I'm so confused.
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Just help me, Jesus.
Help me to make
the right decision.
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Tom Cruise is not known
for doing, you know...
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-
- Fuck you!
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[Frank] ...dark material
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and the character that he plays
is usually
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the moral center.
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And this wasn't a role
Tom would take lightly.
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Tom started to spend time
at the VA Hospital,
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down in Long Beach,
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to work with some of those guys
to get a feel for them.
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It was a way to take Tom
and put him into this world,
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you know, situate him
and envelop him.
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But Tom Cruise was a busy man.
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And at the same time
was preparing
for the other role
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he would take on in 1988.
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[Risa] Prepping one film
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while another film was shooting
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because they really
tumbled on top of each other.
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And tumbling down
was Rain Man,
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a touching,
hilarious road movie
about two long lost brothers.
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And this would be
another very challenging role
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for Tom to juggle.
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Rain Man wasn't a book.
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It wasn't a reboot of a TV show.
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It was Barry Morrow's
original screenplay.
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And this wasn't just
any screenplay.
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It's a great story
about two people who are family.
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But they weren't found.
They didn't know it.
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- I don't have a brother.
- And finding each other.
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Why didn't anybody tell me
I had a brother?
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And this wasn't just
any brother.
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I'm staying with my brother,
Charlie Babbitt.
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- That's what you want?
- Yeah.
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Tom Cruise would be starring
alongside none other
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than Dustin Hoffman
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who would be taking on
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one of the most
challenging roles
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of his career.
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He had seen 60 Minutes
about savants.
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What day of the week
was August 13, 1911?
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Sunday.
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I think you know,
so when he read it,
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it appealed to him.
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Dustin Hoffman had
a long way to go
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before finding the nuance
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that would lead to one of his
most incredible performances.
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More than anything,
he wanted it to be real.
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Handicapped movies
are brutally hard to do right.
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I mean, most of them
come out just awful,
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and I think
Dustin appreciated that,
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and wanted to do, you know,
a sensitive portrayal.
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Dustin Hoffman
had a lot to learn.
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So he turned to Gail Murtux
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and her unique skill
in the film industry.
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One of the things I started
to specialize in
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was finding people
who were very close
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to the characters
they were playing,
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for the actors
to spend time with.
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I met Dustin on the movieStraight Time.
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All I want to do is get a job.
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And then after that,
periodically he'd called me
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to do research on things
that he was considering.
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And I got a call
at the end of 1986.
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He was thinking of doing
this movie Rain Man,
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and he wanted me to
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sort of look at it and try
and find out more about,
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uh, savants.
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Gail helped discover something
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that would give Rain Man
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the authenticity
it would ultimately
become famous for.
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[Gail] And I went to some experts.
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And that's when
they immediately said
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in that script,
Raymond has some qualities
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where
he's developmentally disabled
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and some
where he could be autistic.
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And you can't have both.
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Director Martin Brest,
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fresh off this action-comedy
blockbuster...
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You don't mind if I ask around
a little bit, do you?
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Don't do a damn thing.
Stay out of this.
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...was attached,
and he brought in a new writer.
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Ron Bass.
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Working with Gail's research
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Ron Bass
made one very important change.
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He made him autistic.
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He's artistic?
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- No, he is autistic.
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You know, so it wasn't
where he's
developmentally disabled.
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Ron was putting in
more specific things.
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Because now it was autism.
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A change that
would not only give Hoffman
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more to sink his teeth into,
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but would make Tom's role
more complex.
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I like having you
for my brother.
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I'm an excellent driver.
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Rain Man was gaining momentum
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and preproduction got rolling.
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I had received a phone call,
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basically checking out
my availability.
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I had him send me a script.
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And we went back
in the next day
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to say, "Yeah, I like this.
Oh, we can talk."
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Never heard from him again.
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Well, there's
a reason for that.
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But it's a bit
of a prickly subject.
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[Michael] Martin Brest is a prickly man.
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And Dustin can be prickly,
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so they probably weren't
the best match.
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He and Dustin
had creative differences.
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So, he he was gone.
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About two or three months
went by
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and then Spielberg
was going to do it.
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There was no bigger
or more experienced name,
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to helm such a tricky project.
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Spielberg, you know,
worked with the Ron Bass script.
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But Hollywood's
biggest director
was picturing
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something more barnstorming
than Morrow's original idea.
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In that script, there's one
where they're being chased
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and they get into a barn
and they're hiding out.
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And Raymond
has to build a mini bike
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that they escape on
out of spare parts in the barn.
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Could you imagine Dustin Hoffman
riding off on a mini bike?
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I'm an excellent driver.
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Spielberg's vision
wasn't the deal breaker.
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Hoffman had committed
to a character trait
for Raymond
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involving averting eye contact,
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including with Tom's character.
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When Dustin told him
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he was never going to
look Tom in the eye,
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Spielberg wasn't going to do it.
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- What you looking at?
- I don't know.
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And on this issue,
Spielberg and Dustin Hoffman
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truly couldn't see eye to eye.
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So he was gone.
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The next cab off the rank
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was a Hollywood veteran
and Hoffman ally.
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He had gotten in touch
with Sydney Pollack
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because they had doneTootsie together.
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Nobody will hire you.
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And I knew Sydney very well
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because I did a lot of research
on Out of Africa,
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so I moved into his offices.
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That's when I officially got
associate producer.
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Gail was locked in,
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but Pollack
still needed a producer.
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I received a phone call
from Sydney Pollack.
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He told me that he had
this project, called Rain Man.
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And I didn't dare say...
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"Gee, I know about that."
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Also receiving a call
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was experienced DP John Seale.
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I was asked to go in
to meet Sydney Pollack.
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It was a wonderful meeting,
I must say.
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He's talking to me
about the film and told me
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how he was going
to make the movie,
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why he was going to
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change the script
to do this and this.
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He wanted to put humor in there.
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[Marie] Sydney Pollack wanted it to be
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like Hell's Angels
coming along, and...
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We were seven weeks out
from shooting
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and he called me in
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and said, "I'm not doing it."
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And he said he was nervous
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about putting humor
in the script.
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If you have
those three directors
who all drop out,
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that movie is gone.
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Sensing a case
of three strikes and out...
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That movie's gone.
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Dustin Hoffman took matters
into his own hands.
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Dustin ran into Barry Levinson
and said,
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"Do me a favor
and call Sydney Pollack.
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He is having questions.
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Maybe you could, like,
calm him down."
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But here's the thing.
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Levinson was in need
of a new project himself.
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After his smash hit...
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Good morning, Vietnam!
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Barry's wife heard him
on the phone.
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She said,
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"This sounds like something
you would like to do.
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Why don't you do it?"
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And with that,
the Rain Man project
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was soon on
to its fourth director,
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as Levinson signed on.
And others re-signed on.
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Larry rang me and said,
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"Oh, you're on it.
I'd like you to continue on it.
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Would you like to be on it?"
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And I said "Yeah, I'd love to."
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And they asked me if
I would stay on.
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I did, and the rest is history.
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As a Barry Levinson production,
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with the crack team in place,
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the next Tom Cruise picture
was set.
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It was moving pretty quickly.
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But he wanted it
a little bit different.
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And so, too,
Ron Bass was rehired
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to implement Barry's
substantial script changes.
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He only got to work
with Ron Bass for ten days
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because of the writers' strike.
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[Gerald] We had a very short
period of time to prepare it,
to get it going,
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before the strike
that was threatening us.
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And the threat was very real.
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You had to have
a shooting script.
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The film would
have had to have been postponed.
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But how many postponements
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could Rain Man endure?
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I want a firm date
and I want it early.
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And for Tom's sake,
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let's hope Ron Bass
would have enough time.
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The truth is
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Dustin Hoffman's doing
the same thing
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throughout the entire film.
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It is a one note performance.
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Which meant
the script work needed
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was less
about Hoffman's character,
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and more about Tom's.
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His character needed to change.
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He's a prick
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and then he's a hero
that loves his brother.
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But it wasn't all on Ron Bass
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to flesh out
the intricate details
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of this delicate relationship.
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I like having you
for my big brother.
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Tom and Dustin
dug deep as well.
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[Marie] They were rehearsing.
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They switched roles.
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Because Dustin was saying,
"It's got to be so hard"
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because he's got
his head down all the time.
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So there's no eye contact
with Tom.
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So they switched roles.
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So Dustin would know
what he felt like.
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Did you read all this?
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- I don't know.
- You don't know?
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Levinson, Tom and Dustin
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also needed to find
the very thing
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that had already scared off
almost everyone else.
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- You made a joke, Ray.
- Yeah.
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Barry wanted
to put humor in there.
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- Buckle up.
- Uh-oh!
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Put your, put your shorts
on the highway.
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A lot would come out
in rehearsals.
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[Michael] So, they had to sort
of make it all work,
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which I think lent
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to the real sense
of reality and spontaneity
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you have in the film
between Raymond and his brother.
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- Qantas?
- Qantas never crashed.
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It was Barry's line, he said
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"Qantas never crashed."
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00:13:58,255 --> 00:13:59,756
And then he hollered
Michael looked that up.
348
00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,634
So that was definitely Barry,
Barry Levinson.
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00:14:02,718 --> 00:14:04,303
And Gail's extensive research
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00:14:04,386 --> 00:14:07,431
provided a crucial spark
for character development.
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[Gail] I had made up a tape
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00:14:09,057 --> 00:14:12,352
of all these famous
baseball things,
353
00:14:12,436 --> 00:14:14,521
and in it was
Abbott and Costello,
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00:14:14,605 --> 00:14:15,856
"Who's on First."
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00:14:15,939 --> 00:14:18,025
- I mean the fellow's name
on first base!
- Who?
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- The fellow playing first base
for Saint Louis.
- Who?
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- The guy on first base.
- Who is on first?
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What are you asking me for?
359
00:14:24,198 --> 00:14:25,407
And when I was listening
to that,
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00:14:25,490 --> 00:14:26,742
I walked into Barry's office
361
00:14:26,825 --> 00:14:29,119
and said, "Listen to this.
This is really funny."
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00:14:29,203 --> 00:14:30,537
Not just funny.
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00:14:30,621 --> 00:14:32,247
But a perfect device
for Hoffman's
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baseball obsessed character.
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00:14:34,291 --> 00:14:36,293
You know,
that's when Dustin is doing
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00:14:36,376 --> 00:14:38,504
his mantra of Who's on First.
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00:14:38,587 --> 00:14:39,922
Who? What are you asking for?
368
00:14:40,005 --> 00:14:41,298
[Tom] What is this?
Why is he doing that?
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- Who's on first?
- Whenever he gets nervous,
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he does "Who's on First?"
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With just three days
before the strike,
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writer Ron Bass
was consigned to his desk
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to absorb a plethora
of improvised ideas.
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00:14:52,643 --> 00:14:55,562
You know, Ron beat the strike,
you know...
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00:14:55,646 --> 00:14:58,023
That's, that's rare.
That's hard to do.
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00:14:58,106 --> 00:15:00,108
Ron Bass got the script in
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the day
before the strike was official.
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00:15:03,070 --> 00:15:04,655
With a shooting script in hand
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and two big stars attached,
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00:15:06,782 --> 00:15:08,867
all Barry Levinson
needed to do now
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00:15:08,951 --> 00:15:11,078
was cast the rest of the movie.
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00:15:11,161 --> 00:15:12,996
Roles like Susanna.
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00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,415
It was very important
for Barry to have
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someone who could be sexy
and the kind of girl
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00:15:19,795 --> 00:15:22,130
that Tom Cruise's character
would go for.
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00:15:22,214 --> 00:15:24,132
He wanted a foreign actress.
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00:15:24,216 --> 00:15:25,467
Because
her foreignness would add
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00:15:25,551 --> 00:15:27,302
another element to a story
389
00:15:27,386 --> 00:15:29,388
that was all about
understanding.
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00:15:29,471 --> 00:15:31,223
I was looking for you.
391
00:15:31,306 --> 00:15:33,141
She hardly spoke any English.
392
00:15:33,225 --> 00:15:34,434
You don't listen to me.
393
00:15:34,518 --> 00:15:36,061
And once, I just said,
394
00:15:36,144 --> 00:15:38,647
"Barry, should she be
a little more explicit
with the words?"
395
00:15:38,730 --> 00:15:40,816
And he looked at me
and he said, "No, I love it,
396
00:15:40,899 --> 00:15:43,068
because
I can't understand it either,
397
00:15:43,151 --> 00:15:44,862
and neither can Tom."
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00:15:44,945 --> 00:15:46,989
- If you don't listen to me,
this is...
- What are you talking about?
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00:15:47,072 --> 00:15:48,949
Nobody could understand it.
400
00:15:49,032 --> 00:15:50,701
Valeria fit right in.
401
00:15:50,784 --> 00:15:53,996
But Levinson
still hadn't cast the role
of Raymond's doctor.
402
00:15:54,079 --> 00:15:55,539
Gena Rowlands.
403
00:15:55,622 --> 00:15:58,876
That's who they originally
wanted to cast as Dr. Lenz.
404
00:15:58,959 --> 00:16:04,256
But she wanted billing equal
to Tom and Dustin.
405
00:16:04,339 --> 00:16:05,799
That was a deal breaker.
406
00:16:05,883 --> 00:16:07,551
And with the doctor out,
407
00:16:07,634 --> 00:16:09,970
they had a bit
of an emergency on their hands.
408
00:16:10,053 --> 00:16:12,222
We're about three days
away from filming.
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00:16:12,306 --> 00:16:14,641
Dustin said,
"Barry, this is the guy
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00:16:14,725 --> 00:16:18,270
that you should just hire him
as Dr. Lenz."
411
00:16:18,353 --> 00:16:21,023
And Dustin was pointing...
at Jerry.
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00:16:21,106 --> 00:16:23,233
I thought it was a joke.
I'm not an actor.
413
00:16:23,317 --> 00:16:25,736
Dustin said.
"Come on, just humor me.
414
00:16:25,819 --> 00:16:27,613
Just read
a couple of lines with me."
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00:16:27,696 --> 00:16:30,991
So I did.
The next day, Saturday,
416
00:16:31,074 --> 00:16:32,868
in my office,
knock on the door,
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00:16:32,951 --> 00:16:35,078
I look up and the door's filled
with all these people.
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00:16:35,621 --> 00:16:36,705
Levinson said,
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00:16:37,414 --> 00:16:38,665
"Welcome to Rain Man,
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00:16:39,333 --> 00:16:40,792
Dr. Lenz."
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00:16:40,876 --> 00:16:43,378
Dr. Lenz
was the original
character name,
422
00:16:43,462 --> 00:16:46,173
which was a problem for Gerry,
according to Barry.
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00:16:46,256 --> 00:16:47,799
And he went
"No, you're not Jewish enough."
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00:16:49,134 --> 00:16:50,928
He said
"I'll come up with a name."
425
00:16:51,011 --> 00:16:52,513
And so, thanks to Gerry,
426
00:16:52,596 --> 00:16:54,389
Dr. Lenz
in the original script,
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00:16:54,473 --> 00:16:56,475
turned into Dr. Bruner.
428
00:16:56,558 --> 00:16:58,810
And Dr. Bruner
turned into Gerry.
429
00:16:58,894 --> 00:17:01,438
I took on this burden
out of loyalty to your father.
430
00:17:01,522 --> 00:17:03,315
To make the story of a journey,
431
00:17:03,398 --> 00:17:05,609
a journey worth taking
for the audience,
432
00:17:05,692 --> 00:17:08,654
Levinson had
one simple, if novel, idea.
433
00:17:08,737 --> 00:17:12,991
It was a road, road trip
from Cleveland, Ohio, to LA.
434
00:17:15,244 --> 00:17:16,619
And while
the direction of the road
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00:17:16,703 --> 00:17:18,580
would define the direction
of the movie...
436
00:17:18,664 --> 00:17:20,582
To shoot it
in narrative order...
437
00:17:20,666 --> 00:17:23,167
Rain Man would be
a voyage of discovery.
438
00:17:23,252 --> 00:17:24,253
And that was important
439
00:17:24,336 --> 00:17:26,213
because
just days from shooting,
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00:17:26,296 --> 00:17:29,299
Dustin Hoffman revealed
he hadn't traveled far.
441
00:17:29,383 --> 00:17:31,426
[John] Dustin said to me
a week before shooting.
442
00:17:31,510 --> 00:17:33,011
"You know,
I haven't found Raymond."
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00:17:33,095 --> 00:17:35,513
You didn't feel
it was authentic.
444
00:17:35,597 --> 00:17:36,723
It didn't feel right.
445
00:17:36,807 --> 00:17:38,100
And I said,
"Well, you better hurry up.
446
00:17:38,183 --> 00:17:39,726
We've only got five days left.
447
00:17:39,810 --> 00:17:40,811
And we're shooting."
448
00:17:44,147 --> 00:17:46,316
A large part of filming
would be on the road.
449
00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:51,363
But first shooting on Rain Man
began in LA in May of 1988.
450
00:17:51,446 --> 00:17:53,448
The first day of shooting
was down in San Pedro.
451
00:17:53,532 --> 00:17:54,616
And even though they had
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00:17:54,700 --> 00:17:56,159
their completed
shooting script,
453
00:17:56,243 --> 00:17:57,786
before they even began,
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00:17:57,869 --> 00:18:00,247
Barry wasn't so sure
about the ending.
455
00:18:00,330 --> 00:18:01,999
But as for the very beginning,
456
00:18:02,082 --> 00:18:04,167
well, that was
up in the air, too.
457
00:18:05,002 --> 00:18:06,128
But in a different way.
458
00:18:06,211 --> 00:18:07,963
I want to open this film
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00:18:08,046 --> 00:18:11,425
with a car flying
across the LA skyline.
460
00:18:11,508 --> 00:18:13,677
And then there's the song
that went with it.
461
00:18:16,930 --> 00:18:19,474
It was one
of Hans' first big scores.
462
00:18:19,558 --> 00:18:22,895
They spent a lot of time
with that "Iko Iko" song,
463
00:18:22,978 --> 00:18:25,939
that really spoke
to both Hans and Barry.
464
00:18:26,023 --> 00:18:27,816
They weren't just going to do
a John Williams score,
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00:18:27,900 --> 00:18:29,943
you needed songs
that sold records.
466
00:18:30,027 --> 00:18:32,821
While the soundtrack
was all about selling records,
467
00:18:32,905 --> 00:18:36,157
in Ohio,
Tom was drawing crowds.
468
00:18:36,241 --> 00:18:38,744
We would know
Tom arrived in the morning
469
00:18:38,827 --> 00:18:42,414
when all this cheering
would go up.
470
00:18:42,497 --> 00:18:45,292
And while still bathing
in the glow of Top Gun,
471
00:18:45,375 --> 00:18:48,170
Tom recognized the Rain Man set
was no place
472
00:18:48,253 --> 00:18:49,671
for a Hollywood show pony.
473
00:18:49,755 --> 00:18:53,383
Tom was so giving in the way
that he had no...
474
00:18:53,467 --> 00:18:55,260
he had no attitude.
475
00:18:55,344 --> 00:18:58,096
No, he felt
he would learn a lot
476
00:18:58,180 --> 00:19:00,974
and he would be better
in the role,
477
00:19:01,058 --> 00:19:04,770
you know, by not having
any attitude at all.
478
00:19:04,853 --> 00:19:06,939
The authenticity
demanded by Levinson
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00:19:07,022 --> 00:19:08,941
ran right through casting,
480
00:19:09,023 --> 00:19:11,234
and right across America.
481
00:19:11,318 --> 00:19:14,029
Barry wanted me
to cast it in locally.
482
00:19:14,112 --> 00:19:16,323
I mean,
these were just one liners.
483
00:19:16,406 --> 00:19:18,116
So, a couple of lines.
484
00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:22,329
So it wasn't
worth bringing actors
from LA or New York.
485
00:19:24,790 --> 00:19:27,000
Hey, dipshit, move it! Hey!
486
00:19:27,084 --> 00:19:29,962
Well, he just likes
for real people.
487
00:19:30,045 --> 00:19:31,547
With real disabilities.
488
00:19:31,630 --> 00:19:34,590
[Marie] We filmed in Cincinnati
at the home.
489
00:19:34,675 --> 00:19:36,093
It was a convent.
490
00:19:36,176 --> 00:19:38,303
I cast 50 people.
491
00:19:39,096 --> 00:19:40,347
They were so loving.
492
00:19:40,430 --> 00:19:42,474
Excuse me, please.
What's on TV?
493
00:19:42,558 --> 00:19:44,393
Changed my life, really.
494
00:19:44,476 --> 00:19:46,103
Marie's casting lent Rain Man
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00:19:46,186 --> 00:19:48,647
a distinctly
un-Hollywood authenticity,
496
00:19:48,730 --> 00:19:52,609
which led to
an unintended consequence
for Dustin Hoffman.
497
00:19:52,693 --> 00:19:56,405
Dustin said: "You know,
I don't feel authentic.
498
00:19:56,488 --> 00:19:59,449
I don't feel like I'm,
I've got that character."
499
00:19:59,532 --> 00:20:01,994
As Dustin
searched for his character,
500
00:20:02,077 --> 00:20:03,328
another actor...
501
00:20:03,412 --> 00:20:05,455
- I'm not an actor.
- Okay, cast member,
502
00:20:05,539 --> 00:20:06,874
struggled with his.
503
00:20:06,957 --> 00:20:09,667
Gerry was scared to death.
504
00:20:09,751 --> 00:20:11,044
I was beside myself...
505
00:20:11,128 --> 00:20:12,546
...for me to get
in front of people,
506
00:20:13,380 --> 00:20:15,174
was never my thing.
507
00:20:16,258 --> 00:20:18,427
And yet working alongside Tom.
508
00:20:18,510 --> 00:20:19,511
Good luck.
509
00:20:19,595 --> 00:20:21,138
Look, this isn't
a close call, son.
510
00:20:21,221 --> 00:20:22,222
It's a formality.
511
00:20:22,306 --> 00:20:23,682
Some scenes were easy.
512
00:20:23,765 --> 00:20:24,892
We were standing up in a hall,
513
00:20:24,975 --> 00:20:26,894
where we're talking
with Tom Cruise.
514
00:20:26,977 --> 00:20:31,732
Well, it's the way he...
acts, sleeps, eats.
515
00:20:31,815 --> 00:20:32,983
And we rehearsed that once.
516
00:20:34,484 --> 00:20:36,820
He shot it, printed it.
That was it.
517
00:20:36,904 --> 00:20:39,656
While others were more elusive.
518
00:20:39,740 --> 00:20:42,242
[Gerald] A scene where I'm out
on the outside steps.
519
00:20:42,326 --> 00:20:43,827
Tom is down...
520
00:20:43,911 --> 00:20:46,955
...beside the car, at the curb,
521
00:20:47,039 --> 00:20:48,874
and he says something to effect.
522
00:20:49,541 --> 00:20:50,584
Bruner...
523
00:20:50,667 --> 00:20:52,294
[Gerald] Who is that guy?
524
00:20:52,377 --> 00:20:53,754
Raymond is your brother.
525
00:20:53,837 --> 00:20:55,714
[Gerald] And we did that scene
seven, eight times.
526
00:20:55,797 --> 00:20:56,840
I wasn't saying it right.
527
00:20:56,924 --> 00:20:58,175
He's your brother.
528
00:20:58,258 --> 00:21:00,344
And I'll be damned
if I could say it any different.
529
00:21:00,427 --> 00:21:01,845
He was shaking.
530
00:21:02,804 --> 00:21:05,516
Like I said, I'm not an actor.
531
00:21:05,599 --> 00:21:07,392
But searching
for the performance on camera
532
00:21:07,476 --> 00:21:09,061
was becoming part
of the process,
533
00:21:09,144 --> 00:21:12,064
as both Tom and Dustin
reached for their characters.
534
00:21:12,147 --> 00:21:14,398
[John] We did a lot of takes,
30-odd takes,
535
00:21:14,483 --> 00:21:15,901
almost for every shot.
536
00:21:15,984 --> 00:21:18,529
When you're on a loose,
what-if system,
537
00:21:18,612 --> 00:21:20,906
like we were shooting.
538
00:21:20,989 --> 00:21:22,157
And if you're wondering,
539
00:21:22,241 --> 00:21:25,244
the what-if system
is just as it sounds.
540
00:21:25,327 --> 00:21:26,869
What if we did it here?
What if we did it there?
541
00:21:26,954 --> 00:21:28,747
What if we? What if we?
542
00:21:28,830 --> 00:21:30,040
There was a what-if film.
543
00:21:30,123 --> 00:21:31,250
-
- [Tom sighs]
544
00:21:31,333 --> 00:21:33,126
[John] What if he runs out
into the field?
545
00:21:33,210 --> 00:21:35,045
Oh, okay, we can
run him out into the field.
546
00:21:35,128 --> 00:21:36,296
So that's what would happen.
547
00:21:36,380 --> 00:21:39,424
We, we just let him
run out into the field.
548
00:21:39,508 --> 00:21:42,386
Son of a bitch!
549
00:21:42,469 --> 00:21:44,137
The what if approach
to shooting
550
00:21:44,221 --> 00:21:47,057
also allowed the actors
to ask the same question.
551
00:21:47,140 --> 00:21:49,893
They, too,
were able to bring to it
552
00:21:49,977 --> 00:21:52,980
this, this wonderful,
uh, feeling
553
00:21:53,063 --> 00:21:55,357
that includes
a bit of the dialog, reactions
554
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,943
or to the other person's lines.
555
00:21:58,026 --> 00:21:59,611
And because of the strike,
556
00:21:59,695 --> 00:22:01,446
script revisions
weren't allowed.
557
00:22:01,530 --> 00:22:03,407
So instead, every morning
you know,
558
00:22:03,490 --> 00:22:05,826
pretty much
it was like finding the scene.
559
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:07,494
So we captured moments
560
00:22:07,578 --> 00:22:09,913
that
weren't necessarily scripted.
561
00:22:09,997 --> 00:22:12,833
And so their characters
evolved in ways
562
00:22:12,916 --> 00:22:17,462
that frankly didn't think
that Tom Cruise was capable of.
563
00:22:17,546 --> 00:22:20,799
And I know it was
because of Dustin's guidance.
564
00:22:20,883 --> 00:22:22,009
I really believe that.
565
00:22:22,092 --> 00:22:23,218
For me, it was always like
566
00:22:23,302 --> 00:22:25,095
you never know
what's going to happen next.
567
00:22:25,179 --> 00:22:26,763
Neither did Tom and Dustin,
568
00:22:26,847 --> 00:22:29,349
and there was so much
improvisation happening,
569
00:22:29,433 --> 00:22:30,684
you could smell it.
570
00:22:30,767 --> 00:22:32,186
[Gail] And he wants to fart.
571
00:22:32,269 --> 00:22:34,146
It's a fart
in the telephone box.
572
00:22:35,355 --> 00:22:36,773
- Did you fart, Ray?
- Fart.
573
00:22:36,857 --> 00:22:37,983
- Did you fucking fart?
- Fart.
574
00:22:38,066 --> 00:22:39,609
That wasn't in the script.
575
00:22:41,612 --> 00:22:42,654
But the what if system
576
00:22:42,738 --> 00:22:44,656
left John Seal asking
577
00:22:44,740 --> 00:22:46,491
what if the footage
they were getting
578
00:22:46,575 --> 00:22:48,869
would create problems later?
579
00:22:48,952 --> 00:22:51,121
When the sound department
keeps saying
580
00:22:51,205 --> 00:22:53,080
"Don't overlap, don't overlap."
581
00:22:53,165 --> 00:22:56,376
You know, that, to me
was a killer for the actors
582
00:22:56,460 --> 00:23:00,672
because they have to
pause a performance
583
00:23:00,756 --> 00:23:04,760
and I kept thinking,
"This is ridiculous," you know?
584
00:23:04,843 --> 00:23:06,512
But it wasn't until
the matchstick scene
585
00:23:06,595 --> 00:23:09,306
when I thought, "We've got
to do this two cameras."
586
00:23:09,388 --> 00:23:12,559
Using two cameras
wasn't conventional
in Hollywood then.
587
00:23:12,643 --> 00:23:14,436
But Barry and John's
shooting style
588
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,146
of embracing the what ifs,
589
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:19,650
allowed the actors to maintain
uninterrupted performances.
590
00:23:19,733 --> 00:23:21,859
- Uh-oh!
- The matchstick scene...
591
00:23:21,944 --> 00:23:23,570
Toothpicks.
592
00:23:23,654 --> 00:23:25,821
...or rather
the toothpick scene
was unscripted.
593
00:23:25,906 --> 00:23:27,407
At the end of the scene,
Barry felt like
594
00:23:27,491 --> 00:23:30,077
"Wait, there's one more thing.
What should we do?"
595
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,121
The idea had come
from Gail's research.
596
00:23:33,205 --> 00:23:34,915
And I said,
"Well, remember the thing
597
00:23:34,998 --> 00:23:38,794
in Oliver Sacks book,
about matches?"
598
00:23:38,877 --> 00:23:39,878
Toothpicks.
599
00:23:39,962 --> 00:23:40,963
Fell on the floor
600
00:23:41,046 --> 00:23:44,215
and the savant knew
exactly how many.
601
00:23:45,008 --> 00:23:47,302
246 total. Change.
602
00:23:47,386 --> 00:23:49,429
So we did the toothpicks.
603
00:23:49,513 --> 00:23:50,763
Sorry about the toothpicks.
604
00:23:50,848 --> 00:23:52,891
And so this scene
shot on the fly.
605
00:23:52,975 --> 00:23:54,977
I put two cameras on
straight away.
606
00:23:55,060 --> 00:23:58,438
Forced a change in John Seal's
shooting style forever.
607
00:23:58,522 --> 00:24:01,608
From that moment on, I've never
not shot multiple cameras.
608
00:24:01,692 --> 00:24:03,944
Tom found the process
so freeing
609
00:24:04,027 --> 00:24:06,446
he struggled to control
his creative urges.
610
00:24:06,530 --> 00:24:10,993
Tom would push himself on set,
saying, "Do you want to keep
doing it over and over?"
611
00:24:11,076 --> 00:24:12,869
And that was actually when
612
00:24:12,953 --> 00:24:15,539
Dustin said to him "Enough.
613
00:24:15,622 --> 00:24:18,125
It's good, it's good.
It's right." You know.
614
00:24:18,208 --> 00:24:20,460
As the story
in production moved west
615
00:24:20,544 --> 00:24:21,962
all the way to Vegas,
616
00:24:22,045 --> 00:24:24,339
characters were changing
shape so fast,
617
00:24:24,423 --> 00:24:26,215
even the actors
weren't being told.
618
00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:27,843
I was in disbelief.
619
00:24:28,635 --> 00:24:30,053
I really was. I got a call.
620
00:24:30,137 --> 00:24:31,722
"Uh, We want a virgin.
621
00:24:31,805 --> 00:24:33,807
We want her to be about
18 years old."
622
00:24:33,891 --> 00:24:37,603
I was about 30,
maybe a little older.
623
00:24:37,686 --> 00:24:40,355
And I thought,
"Okay, I can do that."
624
00:24:40,439 --> 00:24:43,984
I arrived at
the actual Caesar's Palace
625
00:24:44,609 --> 00:24:45,903
costume fitting.
626
00:24:45,986 --> 00:24:47,905
Which is
when Barry Levinson wondered
627
00:24:47,988 --> 00:24:52,326
"What if the character of Iris
was someone else entirely?"
628
00:24:52,409 --> 00:24:55,913
All of a sudden, he's putting me
in this black dress
629
00:24:55,996 --> 00:24:57,580
with high heels,
630
00:24:57,664 --> 00:25:01,042
and we just never mentioned
the little virgin.
631
00:25:01,126 --> 00:25:03,962
Because Levinson
felt Dustin Hoffman's Raymond
632
00:25:04,046 --> 00:25:08,467
had evolved to the point
where he was ready to meet
a different kind of challenge.
633
00:25:08,550 --> 00:25:10,552
You're looking for a date?
634
00:25:10,636 --> 00:25:15,015
And lo and behold,
I'm a working whore in Vegas.
635
00:25:15,098 --> 00:25:17,684
Had the what if system gone
too far?
636
00:25:19,144 --> 00:25:20,270
Arriving on set,
637
00:25:20,354 --> 00:25:22,940
Lucinda Jenney
experienced firsthand
638
00:25:23,023 --> 00:25:25,567
Barry Levinson's
what if system.
639
00:25:25,651 --> 00:25:27,109
It was wonderful.
640
00:25:27,194 --> 00:25:28,570
He doesn't have
any money, honey.
641
00:25:30,656 --> 00:25:32,991
Well, that's all right, sugar,
because we are just talking.
642
00:25:33,075 --> 00:25:35,077
[Lucinda] Maybe they were
experimenting themselves
643
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,038
with how this character
would serve,
644
00:25:38,121 --> 00:25:41,542
where he was at,
at this time in the story.
645
00:25:41,625 --> 00:25:42,960
Whoa!
646
00:25:43,460 --> 00:25:44,461
I'm out of here.
647
00:25:45,754 --> 00:25:47,172
Of course.
What time is the date?
648
00:25:47,256 --> 00:25:49,174
- Later.
- What time is the date?
649
00:25:49,258 --> 00:25:51,009
- [Lucinda] It's 10 o'clock!
- I have to be in bed at 11.
650
00:25:51,093 --> 00:25:52,469
Lights out at 11.
651
00:25:52,553 --> 00:25:53,846
For Lucinda,
652
00:25:53,929 --> 00:25:56,932
her role, even her new one,
was the easy part.
653
00:25:57,015 --> 00:25:58,976
It was trailing
in Tom Cruise's wake
654
00:25:59,059 --> 00:26:00,352
that was more difficult.
655
00:26:00,435 --> 00:26:02,771
Word got out that Tom was here.
656
00:26:02,855 --> 00:26:06,900
The girls were crying out,
in desire, really.
657
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,446
And I was totally overwhelmed.
658
00:26:11,530 --> 00:26:14,282
And I guess
I must have been shaking.
659
00:26:14,366 --> 00:26:18,036
And he put his hand on my back
and he said, "Are you okay?"
660
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,164
And I said, "Well, uh, no."
661
00:26:21,248 --> 00:26:23,458
And he started laughing
and he said,
662
00:26:23,542 --> 00:26:27,087
"You know, I just don't feel it
like that anymore."
663
00:26:27,171 --> 00:26:29,006
As the road trip
continued westward,
664
00:26:29,089 --> 00:26:31,215
nearing its completion in LA,
665
00:26:31,300 --> 00:26:33,635
Levinson knew
where his movie would end,
666
00:26:33,719 --> 00:26:35,220
but not yet how.
667
00:26:35,304 --> 00:26:38,515
The ending was always
a big question.
668
00:26:38,599 --> 00:26:40,809
They didn't know
what was going to work.
669
00:26:40,893 --> 00:26:42,269
Brother took you to Las Vegas.
670
00:26:42,352 --> 00:26:46,106
At that point, Tom is wanting
to become his guardian.
671
00:26:46,190 --> 00:26:48,692
So they, they have to see
a psychologist.
672
00:26:48,775 --> 00:26:50,484
Why are you interfering?
This is my family.
673
00:26:50,569 --> 00:26:52,696
- I'm not interfering.
- This is my family.
Do you understand that?
674
00:26:52,779 --> 00:26:54,364
And probably it was Dustin
675
00:26:54,448 --> 00:26:56,491
who said to Barry,
"Why don't you do it?"
676
00:26:56,575 --> 00:26:58,243
- Well, if Gerry...
- Acts.
677
00:26:58,994 --> 00:27:00,287
Not an actor.
678
00:27:00,369 --> 00:27:02,455
Maybe Barry could, too.
679
00:27:02,539 --> 00:27:05,417
And so Levinson would decide
the ending of his movie,
680
00:27:05,501 --> 00:27:08,879
both as a director
and as a character on screen.
681
00:27:08,962 --> 00:27:10,589
Do you want to stay
with your brother Charlie
682
00:27:10,672 --> 00:27:12,590
- here in Los Angeles?
- Yeah.
683
00:27:12,674 --> 00:27:15,093
- Or do you want
to go back to Wallbrook?
- Yeah.
684
00:27:15,177 --> 00:27:18,388
You know, was Tom going
to let him go or not?
685
00:27:18,472 --> 00:27:21,683
And Barry really didn't want
a sentimental ending.
686
00:27:21,767 --> 00:27:24,102
But that decision
about what would happen
687
00:27:24,186 --> 00:27:26,522
was left until
the very last minute.
688
00:27:26,605 --> 00:27:29,273
And Barry had it
like the night before.
689
00:27:29,358 --> 00:27:31,026
And he decided "No."
690
00:27:31,109 --> 00:27:34,112
That is no to
the happy Hollywood ending.
691
00:27:34,196 --> 00:27:36,031
How many days is that
before we're gonna be together?
692
00:27:36,114 --> 00:27:38,242
Fourteen days from today.
Today's Wednesday.
693
00:27:38,325 --> 00:27:41,453
- Hours?
- Three hundred thirty six hours.
694
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,789
Mystifying.
695
00:27:43,872 --> 00:27:46,166
But this was not the end
of the story for Dustin Hoffman
696
00:27:46,250 --> 00:27:48,877
and the character
he had finally perfected.
697
00:27:48,961 --> 00:27:50,754
But he honed it on set.
698
00:27:50,838 --> 00:27:53,840
Having reached
his final destination
as an actor,
699
00:27:53,924 --> 00:27:56,426
- Dustin Hoffman
proposed the ultimate...
- Yeah.
700
00:27:56,510 --> 00:27:57,553
...what if.
701
00:27:57,636 --> 00:27:59,596
He felt the intimate scenes
702
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,725
between him and Tom
and the doctors weren't right.
703
00:28:03,809 --> 00:28:06,936
So they actually went back
and re-shot that.
704
00:28:07,020 --> 00:28:09,648
Only now
did Dustin Hoffman decide...
705
00:28:09,731 --> 00:28:11,483
I have it.
706
00:28:11,567 --> 00:28:13,609
And soon we'd have it, too.
707
00:28:13,694 --> 00:28:16,905
Because after a trip
across America,
708
00:28:16,989 --> 00:28:19,825
Rain Man was ready
to come home to audiences,
709
00:28:19,907 --> 00:28:22,619
premiering in December of 1988.
710
00:28:22,703 --> 00:28:24,329
It was more than...
711
00:28:24,413 --> 00:28:26,707
...you could ever imagine.
It was great.
712
00:28:26,790 --> 00:28:28,250
Audiences and critics
713
00:28:28,333 --> 00:28:30,169
immediately agreed
on one thing.
714
00:28:30,252 --> 00:28:33,964
I thought Dustin was brilliant,
but he very often is.
715
00:28:34,047 --> 00:28:35,507
Hoffman's portrayal of Raymond
716
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:37,801
seemed predestined
for an Oscar.
717
00:28:37,885 --> 00:28:40,721
But the performance doing
the emotional heavy lifting
718
00:28:40,804 --> 00:28:41,805
wasn't his.
719
00:28:41,889 --> 00:28:44,141
Remember reading reviews,
saying,
720
00:28:44,224 --> 00:28:46,768
"Boy, the real actor in this
is Tom Cruise."
721
00:28:46,852 --> 00:28:51,315
Tom took a character
who was despicable
722
00:28:51,899 --> 00:28:52,983
when we meet him.
723
00:28:53,066 --> 00:28:54,193
You're using me!
724
00:28:54,276 --> 00:28:55,944
- You use everybody.
- I'm using Raymond.
725
00:28:56,028 --> 00:28:57,738
Raymond, Raymond.
Am I using you?
726
00:28:57,821 --> 00:28:58,989
Am I using you, Raymond?
727
00:28:59,072 --> 00:29:00,324
- [Hoffman] Yeah.
- Shut up!
728
00:29:00,407 --> 00:29:02,910
He is answering a question
from a half hour ago.
729
00:29:02,993 --> 00:29:06,538
And turned him into the person
we were rooting for the most.
730
00:29:06,622 --> 00:29:08,790
An extraordinary performance.
731
00:29:08,874 --> 00:29:10,000
I made a connection.
732
00:29:10,083 --> 00:29:11,877
And it showed his range.
733
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,504
Tom had proved one thing.
734
00:29:13,587 --> 00:29:15,547
[Michael] This guy is more
than a pretty face.
735
00:29:15,631 --> 00:29:17,007
He is an actor.
736
00:29:17,090 --> 00:29:18,717
- Rain Man,
Mark Johnson producer.
-
737
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,010
Rain Man was nominated
738
00:29:20,093 --> 00:29:21,512
for a slew of awards.
739
00:29:21,595 --> 00:29:23,472
And we were nominated for eight.
740
00:29:23,555 --> 00:29:25,015
Including cinematography.
741
00:29:25,098 --> 00:29:28,060
I was rung
at 3:30 in the morning
742
00:29:28,143 --> 00:29:31,021
to say,
"Hey, have you heard the news?
743
00:29:31,104 --> 00:29:33,982
You've been nominated
for Rain Man."
744
00:29:34,066 --> 00:29:35,067
Which I couldn't believe.
745
00:29:35,150 --> 00:29:36,360
And for Tom Cruise
746
00:29:36,443 --> 00:29:38,195
and his
extraordinary performance...
747
00:29:38,278 --> 00:29:39,613
He wasn't nominated.
748
00:29:39,696 --> 00:29:42,157
No best supporting actor nod
for him.
749
00:29:42,241 --> 00:29:44,076
And accepting best actor...
750
00:29:44,159 --> 00:29:45,619
And the Oscar goes
751
00:29:45,702 --> 00:29:48,455
- to Dustin Hoffman
for Rain Man.
-
752
00:29:48,539 --> 00:29:49,915
Dustin Hoffman paid tribute
753
00:29:49,998 --> 00:29:52,251
to the woman that had been
with him from the start.
754
00:29:52,334 --> 00:29:53,669
Our associate producer,
Gail Mutrux.
755
00:29:53,752 --> 00:29:55,504
So it was very nice.
756
00:29:55,587 --> 00:29:57,923
The movie went on
to win three more Oscars,
757
00:29:58,006 --> 00:30:00,592
including best director
and best picture.
758
00:30:00,676 --> 00:30:02,928
It was great
to have been a part of that.
759
00:30:03,011 --> 00:30:04,429
Because it was a piece
of Hollywood history.
760
00:30:07,182 --> 00:30:09,101
Well, maybe Tom
would get another chance
761
00:30:09,184 --> 00:30:11,019
sooner than anyone expected
762
00:30:11,103 --> 00:30:13,021
because Oliver Stone
was ready to roll
763
00:30:13,105 --> 00:30:14,606
on Born on the Fourth of July.
764
00:30:15,482 --> 00:30:17,192
And it was finally time for Tom
765
00:30:17,276 --> 00:30:19,862
to pivot
to this very different film.
766
00:30:19,945 --> 00:30:21,613
[Risa] It's Ron Kovic's story
767
00:30:21,697 --> 00:30:23,824
and you know, Tom was
pretty clear
768
00:30:23,907 --> 00:30:25,367
that he had to do this role.
769
00:30:25,450 --> 00:30:28,078
I know Tom felt that we all felt
a real important obligation
770
00:30:28,161 --> 00:30:29,580
to tell that story well.
771
00:30:29,663 --> 00:30:32,708
- [Tom grunts]
- [Risa] And like
everything he does,
772
00:30:32,791 --> 00:30:35,294
throws himself into it
100 percent.
773
00:30:35,377 --> 00:30:37,504
And so would Oliver Stone.
774
00:30:37,588 --> 00:30:40,007
[Frank] Who was
at the very top of his game.
775
00:30:40,090 --> 00:30:42,050
Kovic's story
meant a lot to Oliver,
776
00:30:42,134 --> 00:30:44,136
probably a real lot.
777
00:30:44,219 --> 00:30:46,305
The set of
Born on the Fourth of July,
778
00:30:46,388 --> 00:30:48,849
was nothing like
Barry Levinson's Rain Man.
779
00:30:48,932 --> 00:30:50,559
[John] What if we did here?
What if we did it there?
780
00:30:50,642 --> 00:30:52,936
Oliver Stone
had a very different approach.
781
00:30:53,020 --> 00:30:54,521
Oliver approaches it
782
00:30:54,605 --> 00:30:57,274
from an
almost militaristic standpoint
783
00:30:57,357 --> 00:31:00,777
because he spent, uh,
several years in the Army,
784
00:31:00,861 --> 00:31:03,697
and he compares it
to a battlefield
785
00:31:03,780 --> 00:31:05,115
while he's shooting a movie.
786
00:31:05,199 --> 00:31:07,701
You have to be prepared
when you meet him.
787
00:31:07,784 --> 00:31:10,204
He's fearless
and he expects you to be.
788
00:31:10,287 --> 00:31:11,496
He's intimidating.
789
00:31:11,580 --> 00:31:12,581
And he's the captain.
790
00:31:13,540 --> 00:31:15,042
The man is terrifying.
791
00:31:18,754 --> 00:31:20,756
Despite
Oliver Stone's reputation...
792
00:31:20,839 --> 00:31:22,508
[John echoing] The man is terrifying.
793
00:31:22,591 --> 00:31:24,259
...actors wanted
to work with him
again and again.
794
00:31:24,343 --> 00:31:25,511
And Tom would be joining
795
00:31:25,594 --> 00:31:28,013
Stones'
loyal Band of Brothers.
796
00:31:28,096 --> 00:31:29,223
Oliver has certain actors
797
00:31:29,306 --> 00:31:31,475
who he likes to work with
again and again.
798
00:31:31,558 --> 00:31:32,893
Like Willem Dafoe.
799
00:31:32,976 --> 00:31:34,269
What's your name?
800
00:31:34,353 --> 00:31:36,188
Charlie from Chicago.
801
00:31:36,271 --> 00:31:37,272
Tom Sizemore...
802
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,733
...and Tom Berenger.
803
00:31:39,816 --> 00:31:41,777
We have always come
when our countries called us.
804
00:31:42,402 --> 00:31:43,487
That was really fun,
805
00:31:43,570 --> 00:31:46,281
to find different ways
to use them.
806
00:31:46,365 --> 00:31:48,575
But casting
such a male-centered film
807
00:31:48,659 --> 00:31:51,995
made casting the female
lead even more crucial.
808
00:31:52,079 --> 00:31:53,622
[Risa] This was
a really important part
809
00:31:53,705 --> 00:31:55,999
because
this was the love of his life,
810
00:31:56,083 --> 00:31:57,543
and he could never have her,
811
00:31:57,626 --> 00:32:00,045
and that was such a huge loss
for the character.
812
00:32:00,128 --> 00:32:02,840
And it had to be somebody
who could hold their own
with Tom.
813
00:32:02,923 --> 00:32:05,384
To play opposite Tom,
Risa suggested
814
00:32:05,467 --> 00:32:09,096
that then relatively
little known Kyra Sedgwick.
815
00:32:09,179 --> 00:32:13,809
Kyra was not exactly what he had
in his head visually,
816
00:32:13,892 --> 00:32:16,937
but she was such
a warm human being
817
00:32:17,020 --> 00:32:21,942
and that was hard, hard to
find that balance between
818
00:32:22,025 --> 00:32:23,986
you know, the beautiful woman
819
00:32:24,069 --> 00:32:27,072
who was the ideal one
820
00:32:27,155 --> 00:32:30,701
and also the, the woman
who would hold your heart
821
00:32:30,784 --> 00:32:32,369
and break your heart.
822
00:32:32,452 --> 00:32:34,788
Another pivotal role
was that of Timmy.
823
00:32:36,290 --> 00:32:37,833
And it was a role Frank Whaley
embraced
824
00:32:37,916 --> 00:32:39,251
right from the audition.
825
00:32:39,334 --> 00:32:41,253
Because you were going
into a room
826
00:32:41,336 --> 00:32:43,839
and like actually meeting
the director of the film.
827
00:32:43,922 --> 00:32:45,382
And so it was like a performance
828
00:32:45,465 --> 00:32:47,801
and I was thriving on it
at the time.
829
00:32:47,885 --> 00:32:49,344
Even if Frank
would have preferred
830
00:32:49,428 --> 00:32:51,847
to thrive on Tom's role.
831
00:32:51,930 --> 00:32:53,724
I was hoping to be Ron.
832
00:32:53,807 --> 00:32:56,977
Um, but that, you know,
my hopes were dashed,
833
00:32:57,060 --> 00:32:58,187
but this was my favorite role
834
00:32:58,270 --> 00:33:00,981
because it had what I considered
to be like
835
00:33:01,064 --> 00:33:03,901
that centerpiece scene with Ron
in the backyard
836
00:33:03,984 --> 00:33:05,694
on the Fourth of July.
837
00:33:05,777 --> 00:33:07,529
But Frank
had some time to dial
in his character,
838
00:33:07,613 --> 00:33:09,448
before
this all important scene.
839
00:33:09,531 --> 00:33:11,283
[Frank] Oliver is very collaborative.
840
00:33:11,366 --> 00:33:15,204
He had spent a lot of time
around the table reading,
841
00:33:15,287 --> 00:33:20,542
encouraging us
to add ideas and improvise.
842
00:33:20,626 --> 00:33:22,044
When it came to rehearsals,
843
00:33:22,127 --> 00:33:23,170
Tom brought a technique
844
00:33:23,253 --> 00:33:24,588
that he had learned
on Rain Man.
845
00:33:24,671 --> 00:33:28,634
When they were rehearsing,
they switched roles.
846
00:33:28,717 --> 00:33:31,136
I played his role
and he played my role,
847
00:33:31,220 --> 00:33:32,596
which is a tricky thing
848
00:33:32,679 --> 00:33:35,182
because you don't want to
be too good.
849
00:33:35,265 --> 00:33:40,354
We finished the scene
and then he just stared at me
850
00:33:40,437 --> 00:33:42,689
for like,
it seemed like 20 minutes
851
00:33:42,773 --> 00:33:44,358
but it was probably
like five seconds.
852
00:33:44,441 --> 00:33:46,109
He said "That was really good."
853
00:33:46,944 --> 00:33:48,779
That was really good.
854
00:33:48,862 --> 00:33:52,533
-
- Timmy? Timmy?
855
00:33:52,616 --> 00:33:53,992
[Frank] And then he hugged me
856
00:33:54,076 --> 00:33:56,620
for a really long time.
857
00:33:56,703 --> 00:34:01,166
And doing that,
I learned a lot about my role
858
00:34:01,250 --> 00:34:05,546
in some strange way
and his role and that scene.
859
00:34:05,629 --> 00:34:07,548
He knew
that it would be helpful.
860
00:34:07,631 --> 00:34:11,009
And Frank was going to need
all the help he could get.
861
00:34:11,093 --> 00:34:14,513
That same week,
I had an audition
for another film.
862
00:34:14,596 --> 00:34:16,098
It's called Little Monsters.
863
00:34:16,181 --> 00:34:18,225
Because
being cast by Oliver Stone,
864
00:34:18,308 --> 00:34:19,893
wasn't the only opportunity
865
00:34:19,977 --> 00:34:21,562
to land
in the lap of the actor,
866
00:34:21,645 --> 00:34:23,272
who just couldn't say no.
867
00:34:23,355 --> 00:34:25,858
I got both the parts
on the same day,
868
00:34:25,940 --> 00:34:28,443
and that they would both
be filming at the same time.
869
00:34:29,862 --> 00:34:31,864
You know, I was in a lot,
like I said, I was in a lot
870
00:34:31,947 --> 00:34:33,073
for Born on the Fourth of July,
871
00:34:33,156 --> 00:34:34,491
and so I had to be there.
872
00:34:34,575 --> 00:34:36,326
But he had
somewhere else to be.
873
00:34:36,410 --> 00:34:38,745
On the set
of a very different movie
874
00:34:38,829 --> 00:34:40,706
that was 1,200 miles away.
875
00:34:40,789 --> 00:34:42,291
Wilmington, North Carolina.
876
00:34:42,373 --> 00:34:44,501
So Frank was already
looking for excuses
877
00:34:44,585 --> 00:34:46,670
to get away
from the role of his life.
878
00:34:46,753 --> 00:34:49,756
The thing about Oliver is,
you know, he might say,
879
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,509
"Hey, Frankie, do you think
you should be in this scene?"
880
00:34:52,593 --> 00:34:55,554
And I knew that I had
to film on the other location.
881
00:34:55,637 --> 00:34:58,891
"No, I don't think that would be
right for the character, Oliver.
I don't really."
882
00:34:59,683 --> 00:35:01,768
"Yeah? Okay. Fine, yeah."
883
00:35:01,852 --> 00:35:03,687
Shuffling between films,
884
00:35:03,770 --> 00:35:05,981
Frank had time
to get into his character,
885
00:35:06,064 --> 00:35:08,233
which didn't take
as long as his makeup.
886
00:35:08,317 --> 00:35:10,027
And you brought some little
playmates along with you.
887
00:35:10,110 --> 00:35:11,652
- How nice.
- Boo.
888
00:35:11,737 --> 00:35:14,239
Little monsters,
a fantasy comedy...
889
00:35:14,323 --> 00:35:16,742
You know, I thought
it was something good,
but it's not.
890
00:35:16,825 --> 00:35:19,369
...was thematically as far away
from Stone's film,
891
00:35:19,453 --> 00:35:21,205
as its location.
892
00:35:21,288 --> 00:35:23,415
I was playing
a 2000-year-old boy
893
00:35:23,498 --> 00:35:26,126
which demanded approximately
894
00:35:26,210 --> 00:35:29,379
three hours of makeup every day
895
00:35:29,463 --> 00:35:32,341
and then three hours
essentially to take it off.
896
00:35:32,424 --> 00:35:35,260
For Frank,
the crossover in shooting
was only brief.
897
00:35:35,344 --> 00:35:39,765
It was enormously stressful
going back and forth.
898
00:35:39,848 --> 00:35:41,934
But its consequences
would be lasting.
899
00:35:42,017 --> 00:35:43,435
I was in North Carolina
900
00:35:43,518 --> 00:35:47,314
filming my the last scene
of Little Monsters.
901
00:35:47,397 --> 00:35:49,315
In an hour, you and your chums
will all be monsters.
902
00:35:49,399 --> 00:35:50,692
And then we can all play.
903
00:35:50,776 --> 00:35:52,611
The next day in Dallas, Texas
904
00:35:52,694 --> 00:35:55,864
I'm supposed to be filming
my centerpiece scene
905
00:35:55,948 --> 00:35:57,574
on Born on the Fourth of July
906
00:35:57,658 --> 00:35:59,117
at 6:00 a.m. call.
907
00:35:59,201 --> 00:36:01,370
- Which was fine.
- Everything is going to be fine.
908
00:36:01,453 --> 00:36:04,373
- Except...
- Everything wasn't going fine,
at all,
909
00:36:04,456 --> 00:36:06,041
on the set of Little Monsters.
910
00:36:06,123 --> 00:36:07,960
In fact, everything was
going horribly wrong.
911
00:36:13,172 --> 00:36:17,052
I was perilously close
to missing my flight
912
00:36:17,135 --> 00:36:19,346
because I was exhausted,
stressed,
913
00:36:19,429 --> 00:36:21,181
and I wasn't prepared
914
00:36:21,265 --> 00:36:24,017
as I should be
to get, to be on that set.
915
00:36:24,101 --> 00:36:26,186
And the one thing no actor
could afford to be
916
00:36:26,270 --> 00:36:29,690
when working with Tom Cruise,
was underprepared.
917
00:36:29,773 --> 00:36:33,777
I roll in like, you know,
in my T-shirt and jeans,
918
00:36:33,861 --> 00:36:36,488
Tom Cruise, he's dressed.
919
00:36:36,572 --> 00:36:37,656
He's all set.
920
00:36:37,739 --> 00:36:39,283
- Shit, I heard about that.
-
921
00:36:39,366 --> 00:36:41,076
[Frank] So we start to rehearse.
922
00:36:41,159 --> 00:36:42,953
And Cruise
is in full performance.
923
00:36:43,954 --> 00:36:45,122
He's not rehearsing.
924
00:36:45,205 --> 00:36:47,416
He's actually doing the...
925
00:36:47,498 --> 00:36:49,042
He's doing the part
926
00:36:49,126 --> 00:36:50,710
and no cameras are rolling
we're just rehearsing.
927
00:36:50,794 --> 00:36:53,046
I'm reading from the thing.
928
00:36:53,130 --> 00:36:54,756
And halfway through the scene,
929
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,551
Oliver Stone yells,
"Cut on rehearsal."
930
00:36:57,634 --> 00:37:00,429
He gets up off his chair
and he walks into me
931
00:37:00,512 --> 00:37:02,389
and he says "Get off my set!
932
00:37:02,472 --> 00:37:05,726
Get off my set,
learn those effing lines.
933
00:37:05,809 --> 00:37:07,853
And when you've got
those lines memorized
934
00:37:07,936 --> 00:37:09,771
and you have respect
for everybody here,
935
00:37:09,855 --> 00:37:12,107
then you come back on the set."
936
00:37:12,190 --> 00:37:16,570
I have never been more mortified
or terrified or embarrassed
937
00:37:16,652 --> 00:37:19,781
or, like,
disappointed in myself,
938
00:37:19,864 --> 00:37:22,075
as I was in that moment.
939
00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:26,038
I will say
that I did relieve myself
inside of my pants.
940
00:37:26,121 --> 00:37:29,458
I don't think we've got
a fucking friend left.
941
00:37:29,541 --> 00:37:35,047
So I went out to my room
and I cried a little bit.
942
00:37:35,130 --> 00:37:37,424
Cursing Howie Mandel,
cursing Fred Savage.
943
00:37:37,508 --> 00:37:38,550
That's not fair!
944
00:37:38,634 --> 00:37:40,594
If Frank's life was a film,
945
00:37:40,677 --> 00:37:44,181
this was the moment
he experienced
his second act turning point.
946
00:37:44,973 --> 00:37:46,391
He was right.
947
00:37:46,475 --> 00:37:49,102
You know, come prepared.
948
00:37:49,186 --> 00:37:50,312
When you're going to be
on the set
949
00:37:50,395 --> 00:37:52,814
with Oliver Stone
and Tom Cruise
950
00:37:52,898 --> 00:37:54,315
don't screw around, man.
951
00:37:54,399 --> 00:37:57,027
It had an effect
that centered me.
952
00:37:57,110 --> 00:37:58,612
This was an important story,
953
00:37:58,695 --> 00:38:00,906
and I wanted
to get it right for Oliver.
954
00:38:00,989 --> 00:38:03,992
I wanted to get it
right for Ron, who was there.
955
00:38:04,076 --> 00:38:05,869
Frank was soon back on set
956
00:38:05,953 --> 00:38:07,871
where Tom had only
one question.
957
00:38:07,955 --> 00:38:10,707
"Ready, man?"
"I'm ready. I'm ready."
958
00:38:10,791 --> 00:38:12,876
And the scene they shot
proved it.
959
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,087
A lot of bad shit up there,
Ronnie, I'm telling you.
960
00:38:15,170 --> 00:38:18,215
Somehow, miraculously,
I had the lines memorized.
961
00:38:18,297 --> 00:38:19,466
I was shaking.
962
00:38:19,550 --> 00:38:21,134
Things I don't even want
to talk about.
963
00:38:22,010 --> 00:38:23,554
You know.
964
00:38:23,637 --> 00:38:27,349
It's one of my favorite things
I've ever done. That scene.
965
00:38:28,141 --> 00:38:29,643
It was crazy.
966
00:38:29,726 --> 00:38:32,229
For me, the greatest moment
of my career.
967
00:38:35,774 --> 00:38:38,360
With all the American locations
complete...
968
00:38:38,443 --> 00:38:40,279
-
- Daddy, the soldiers!
969
00:38:40,362 --> 00:38:41,446
...filming continued,
970
00:38:41,530 --> 00:38:43,282
and they still had
a long way to go.
971
00:38:43,364 --> 00:38:45,325
7,000 miles, in fact.
972
00:38:45,409 --> 00:38:48,871
For the scene shot in Vietnam,
Oliver Stone returned
to the country
973
00:38:48,954 --> 00:38:51,998
that had helped him produce
his Oscar winning Platoon.
974
00:38:52,082 --> 00:38:54,501
I'm Jun Juban.
I was the Philippine producer.
975
00:38:54,585 --> 00:38:55,710
But they hadn't experienced
976
00:38:55,794 --> 00:38:57,671
anything quite like
Cruise's arrival.
977
00:38:57,754 --> 00:39:00,257
[Jun] It was me and my wife
who picked him up.
978
00:39:00,340 --> 00:39:03,135
Practically, it was a standstill
because everybody,
979
00:39:03,218 --> 00:39:05,929
every, every
female airport staff,
980
00:39:06,013 --> 00:39:08,098
was waiting for him
on the tarmac.
981
00:39:09,975 --> 00:39:12,978
So so when he went out
everybody said...
982
00:39:14,271 --> 00:39:16,607
And of course,
when Mr. Cruise or Tom
983
00:39:16,690 --> 00:39:19,860
got into the car,
my wife was starstruck.
984
00:39:21,195 --> 00:39:23,071
But Tom Cruise
was here to work.
985
00:39:23,155 --> 00:39:25,782
And Born on the Fourth of Julywas a serious movie
986
00:39:25,866 --> 00:39:28,493
as Oliver Stone
was keen to remind Jun.
987
00:39:28,577 --> 00:39:30,078
[Jun] He kept on saying
988
00:39:30,161 --> 00:39:32,581
"Jun, we're not making
a Chuck Norris movie."
989
00:39:32,664 --> 00:39:34,248
I want your opinion,
I'll beat it out of you.
990
00:39:35,167 --> 00:39:36,710
That's just one of those movies.
991
00:39:36,793 --> 00:39:39,254
He exacted more
from everybody.
992
00:39:40,506 --> 00:39:41,924
And it shows.
993
00:39:42,007 --> 00:39:44,301
And this time
Oliver Stone expected more.
994
00:39:44,384 --> 00:39:46,011
Even from the Philippines.
995
00:39:46,094 --> 00:39:48,096
[Jun] He said,
"To make it worth our while,
996
00:39:48,180 --> 00:39:50,181
can we do Mexico
in the Philippines?"
997
00:39:50,265 --> 00:39:52,142
I said, "Sure, yeah, we can."
998
00:39:52,226 --> 00:39:53,727
It seems there wasn't a problem
999
00:39:53,810 --> 00:39:56,355
Jun couldn't fix
for Oliver Stone.
1000
00:39:56,438 --> 00:39:59,690
The Air Force only had
two C-130s at the time.
1001
00:39:59,775 --> 00:40:01,985
One was used operationally.
1002
00:40:02,069 --> 00:40:03,612
So the one
that was allotted to us,
1003
00:40:03,695 --> 00:40:05,739
unfortunately,
two days before,
had engine trouble.
1004
00:40:06,364 --> 00:40:08,033
It conks out.
1005
00:40:08,116 --> 00:40:09,493
So when I explained to Oliver
1006
00:40:09,576 --> 00:40:10,869
he was good enough,
1007
00:40:10,953 --> 00:40:12,746
okay, instead of that,
then we'll use helicopters.
1008
00:40:14,164 --> 00:40:16,083
From helicopter blades
1009
00:40:16,166 --> 00:40:18,835
to the razor sharp blades
of the edit bay.
1010
00:40:18,919 --> 00:40:22,256
We were in the Philippines
for a month.
1011
00:40:22,339 --> 00:40:24,341
It was second editor,
Joe Hutshing's job
1012
00:40:24,424 --> 00:40:26,426
to wrangle
a mountain of footage.
1013
00:40:26,510 --> 00:40:29,388
And his marching orders
from Stone were simple.
1014
00:40:29,471 --> 00:40:32,015
He'll say, "Do the cut
and call me when you're ready."
1015
00:40:32,099 --> 00:40:34,393
And Oliver Stone
had a particular way
1016
00:40:34,476 --> 00:40:35,853
of talking to his editors.
1017
00:40:35,936 --> 00:40:39,231
"Are you trying to rat fuck me?
What the fuck is this?
1018
00:40:39,314 --> 00:40:41,065
This is garbage.
1019
00:40:41,149 --> 00:40:42,776
You have to do this over again."
1020
00:40:42,860 --> 00:40:45,195
-
- [Joe laughs]
1021
00:40:45,279 --> 00:40:47,948
When released
in December of 1989,
1022
00:40:48,031 --> 00:40:50,742
audiences embraced
Tom and Ron Kovic's story
1023
00:40:50,826 --> 00:40:52,536
keeping
Born on the Fourth of July
1024
00:40:52,619 --> 00:40:55,330
in the top five grossing movies
for nine weeks.
1025
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,709
When you really find out
you have a hit
1026
00:40:58,792 --> 00:41:01,335
is when you see it
with an audience
1027
00:41:01,420 --> 00:41:02,838
and they respond well.
1028
00:41:03,964 --> 00:41:05,591
[Joe] You can feel it.
1029
00:41:05,674 --> 00:41:09,636
I remember being
really moved by it.
1030
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,638
I do remember seeing it
for the first time,
1031
00:41:11,722 --> 00:41:14,016
and I just was,
just blown away and so proud.
1032
00:41:14,850 --> 00:41:16,810
It was, it was incredible.
1033
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:19,938
- And as
for Frank's other role...
-
1034
00:41:21,315 --> 00:41:23,442
I will never look at that.
I will never see it.
1035
00:41:23,525 --> 00:41:25,527
It was my Vietnam.
1036
00:41:25,611 --> 00:41:26,862
But as for Tom Cruise,
1037
00:41:26,945 --> 00:41:29,656
who also filmed two movies
in the same year,
1038
00:41:29,739 --> 00:41:32,784
in his 12th feature,
27-year-old Tom Cruise
1039
00:41:32,868 --> 00:41:35,286
had earned
his first Oscar nomination.
1040
00:41:35,370 --> 00:41:36,496
[Charles] Getting that Oscar nomination
1041
00:41:36,580 --> 00:41:37,706
for Born on the Fourth of July
1042
00:41:37,789 --> 00:41:40,417
I think added another level
to Tom Cruise.
1043
00:41:40,501 --> 00:41:42,002
I mean, to me,
I think he deserved
1044
00:41:42,085 --> 00:41:43,504
an Oscar nomination
for Rain Man.
1045
00:41:43,587 --> 00:41:46,047
That's the... that's the
harder role to play.
1046
00:41:46,131 --> 00:41:49,510
That showed just
what he was capable of.
1047
00:41:49,593 --> 00:41:51,637
You know,
the talent that he had.
1048
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,263
And finally,
it was a talent
1049
00:41:53,347 --> 00:41:55,891
that was recognized
by The Academy.
1050
00:41:55,974 --> 00:41:58,310
And the Oscar goes to...
1051
00:41:59,603 --> 00:42:01,271
Mmm.
1052
00:42:01,355 --> 00:42:02,356
Daniel Day Lewis, My Left Foot.
1053
00:42:03,524 --> 00:42:04,608
Despite not winning,
1054
00:42:04,690 --> 00:42:06,485
Tom still had
his winning smile.
1055
00:42:06,568 --> 00:42:08,195
It was incredible.
1056
00:42:08,277 --> 00:42:10,322
To David Brenner
and Joe Hutshing...
1057
00:42:10,405 --> 00:42:13,116
-
- ...forBorn on the Fourth of July.
1058
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:14,868
[Joe] I looked out
and the first person I saw
1059
00:42:14,952 --> 00:42:18,664
in the front row was Tom Cruise
with a huge grin on his face.
1060
00:42:18,747 --> 00:42:22,876
Thank you. I'd like to thank
Oliver Stone, the Academy.
1061
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,837
So I gave my speech to Tom.
1062
00:42:26,129 --> 00:42:27,130
And the Oscar goes to...
1063
00:42:27,214 --> 00:42:28,549
The film was decorated,
1064
00:42:28,632 --> 00:42:31,134
clinching two Oscars
from its eight nominations,
1065
00:42:31,218 --> 00:42:32,761
including one for its general.
1066
00:42:32,844 --> 00:42:35,305
Oliver Stone,Born on the Fourth of July.
1067
00:42:35,389 --> 00:42:37,599
Oliver,
once he was receiving the Oscar,
1068
00:42:37,683 --> 00:42:41,353
his last sentence was
"I would like to thank..."
1069
00:42:41,436 --> 00:42:43,772
...the warm people
of the Philippines.
1070
00:42:43,856 --> 00:42:45,315
It melted our hearts.
1071
00:42:45,399 --> 00:42:47,901
Tom's reward came
in the form of gratitude.
1072
00:42:47,985 --> 00:42:50,821
And to Tom Cruise for making
Ron's dream come true.
1073
00:42:53,574 --> 00:42:55,534
I've run into Ron
a number of times, Ron Kovic,
1074
00:42:55,617 --> 00:42:59,161
since we made the movie
and what's really meaningful,
1075
00:42:59,246 --> 00:43:01,707
you know
you've done something right,
1076
00:43:01,790 --> 00:43:03,292
is that he said this like
1077
00:43:03,375 --> 00:43:06,962
was life changing for him
and huge...
1078
00:43:07,045 --> 00:43:08,881
...just in terms of being able
to tell the story
1079
00:43:08,964 --> 00:43:10,549
and to be able
to contribute to that.
1080
00:43:11,508 --> 00:43:13,302
It's amazing.
1081
00:43:13,385 --> 00:43:14,594
And while Tom didn't receive
1082
00:43:14,678 --> 00:43:16,805
a golden statuette
on the night...
1083
00:43:16,889 --> 00:43:18,931
And I don't want you
to feel sorry for me.
1084
00:43:19,016 --> 00:43:21,393
But I think it was one of
the best things he ever did.
1085
00:43:21,476 --> 00:43:22,811
Tom finished the 80s
1086
00:43:22,895 --> 00:43:25,105
as one
of Hollywood's biggest draws.
1087
00:43:25,189 --> 00:43:28,065
And for Tom, the 90s
were going to be no different.
1088
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:29,276
- Days of Thunder.
- Far and Away.
1089
00:43:29,359 --> 00:43:30,402
A Few Good Men.
1090
00:43:30,485 --> 00:43:32,237
- The Firm in '93.-Jerry Maguire.
1091
00:43:32,321 --> 00:43:34,406
Maybe he would finally
get his Oscar.
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