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In 2001,
production was off
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to a rocky start
on Sam Raimi's Spider-Man.
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And when
the dailies started rolling in,
the studio was getting nervous.
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When I saw the footage,
I think they were worried
it wasn't contemporary enough.
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They were hoping it was gonna be
something flashier than that.
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...which was not
the direction Sam Raimi
was going.
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There was a lot of concern
in the studios...
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that nobody had ever
seen his morale
and it was gonna be a cartoon.
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Really wanted an action movie.
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So Sony
would make a drastic decision.
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[Lefler] The studio
was trying to control Sam.
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They can't fire Sam,
so they shot the prison
standing next to him.
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The board expects
your resignation in 30 days.
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They fired me.
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But you can't do this to me.
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I started this company.
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Once I was fired,
then a lot of other people
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started taking over.
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People that the studio
wanted Sam to use.
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With his
right hand man out,
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Sam wouldn't be
the only one feeling the heat.
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There was so much
pressure from Marvel on Sony,
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to make this
something unbelievable.
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[Bottegoni] There was an expectation
that we were going to do
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a lot of things
that hadn't been done before.
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Don't be a coward.
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As the team
took big swings...
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At that point in time,
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we all knew we had
something really special.
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...and big misses...
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Up pops people thinking
that one of the bad guys
is the brother from Frasier.
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No one's ever given me
the thumbs up.
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Sam Raimi
was in uncharted territory...
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This was the only
visual effects film
that Sam had ever done.
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[Green Goblin] Imagine what we could
accomplish together
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...as he took a leap of faith
on a friendly
neighborhood hero...
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People wanted a hero after 9/11.
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...when the world
needed it most.
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That little scenario
screwed up my entire life.
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The studio was
on edge about the direction
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Sam Raimi
was taking Spider-Man,
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and they were looking ahead
at how they were
going to market
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this new kind of genre.
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[Precious] Marvel was
teetering on bankruptcy.
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Everything was
riding on this movie.
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And it was
anything but a gimme.
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What the studio
was telling me was,
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"Dana, you need to make
this movie the biggest
opening of all time.
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"Superhero movies
aren't a thing.
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"And you've got to
make it a thing."
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And Sony executive
Dana Precious would have
her work cut out for her.
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At the point where Spider-Man
was handed to me,
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research showed
that the only people who
wanted to go see Spider-Man
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were seven-year-old boys
and 40-year-old men
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who went to comic book stores.
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That was it.
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So while Dana
was focused on getting
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everybody else
to love Spider-Man,
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the film's director, Sam Raimi,
was more focused
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on the actual
love story of the movie.
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Sam is kind of a story guy,
and he follows a genre.
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And he was being true
to the the comic book.
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And nothing
screams comic book romance
like a first kiss.
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They get a drawing
of Spider-Man hanging
upside down when they kissed.
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But before they could
bring Doug's idea to life,
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while looking
for Kirsten's stunt double,
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Jeff would opt
to keep it in the family.
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[Habberstad] We needed
a double for Mary Jane,
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and my sister, at the time,
was a schoolteacher.
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I called her up and I said,
"What would you think
about doing this?"
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I felt committed to the kids
and to my school.
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And yet that was
a really big opportunity.
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So for Jeri,
school was out
and intense stunt work was in.
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[Jeri] My first scene
was the rain scene.
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The robbers are chasing MJ.
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So I had to attack them
and kick them in the privates.
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I didn't do the kissing scene.
She did that.
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And I was glad about that.
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I think I have
a superhero stalker.
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So while
Jeri sat out, the close ups,
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Don needed to find a way
to honor Sam's mandate.
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The goal is always
to get everything in camera.
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So the upside down kiss,
we figured out a way
to do that, all in one shot.
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As I recall, we created a hatch
so the double Spider-Man
could disappear.
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And then
the real Tobey pops down,
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ultimately, in frame,
upside down.
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You have a knack
for getting in trouble.
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There's a little bit
of a Texas switch,
a little bit of sleight of hand,
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a little bit of
these things we do in film
to kind of pull off these shots.
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But there was still
one more detail to iron out.
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Wait.
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It seems to me like
it was Laura Ziskin's idea
for MJ to pull down the mask
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so she could actually
kiss him on the mouth.
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There's a lot of things
that made the shooting of that
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uncomfortable
for the performers.
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When I heard he wasn't super
comfortable upside down...
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Being in a harness
is not comfortable.
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Being upside down
on a harness is miserable.
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He gave it the college try.
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With water running up his nose
or down his nose.
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These are holes.
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Water goes in holes.
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But
his co-star didn't have
the easiest time, either.
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Well, you know, of course,
it was a a cold night
on the back lot.
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It was wet and dark
and cold and miserable.
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We were doing this in January
and they don't heat that water.
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But she I called over
to Sam and said,
"Sam, I'm cold and wet.
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"And my t-shirt's
sticking to me."
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And Sam looked back
at her and said,
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"Kirsten, that's
what the kids want to see.
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"You're doing great."
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And the result
was cinema history.
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[Busch] Wow,
it looked good on screen!
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That whole thing, that was...
that was really hot.
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Probably one of
the most iconic scenes
in any movie ever.
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Sam Raimi
was proving that Spider-Man
didn't need to rely on action.
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But what this movie
would rely on
was visual effects.
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It was the first
really big Sony film
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that Sony Pictures Imageworks
did the visual effects on.
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I insisted
that we do the visual effects.
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Our lead supervisor
was a guy named John Dykstra,
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who worked
on the Star Wars films.
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We were starting to get to
where computer-generated imagery
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was on the cusp
of being realistic.
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This is 1999, early 2000,
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and it was a very
different time than it is now.
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Thankfully,
John Dykstra had a plan.
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One of the things
that was important
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was the way that we
captured Spider-Man.
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Spider-Man has
his own cameraman.
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I'm sort of his
unofficial photographer.
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[Dykstra] The guy goes
with him everywhere he goes,
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which allowed
the audience to empathize
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with the emotional experience
that Spider-Man was having.
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But even
with his own cameraman,
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creating a 3D version
of Spider-Man
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would pose its
own set of challenges.
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It was a big deal at the time.
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Creating a digital double
for Spider-Man.
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was actually not a small feat.
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So they investigated
another technology on
the cusp of going mainstream.
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So we went down
this road of motion capture.
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Motion capture really
wasn't there at the time,
Not even close.
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You're a liar!
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[Bottegoni] You had Gollum
around that time,
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and that was,
you know, really kind of
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breaking through
on that technology.
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But that was very
cutting-edge at the time.
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Where would you be without me?
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Spider-Man is a different kind
of lead CG character.
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Spider-Man has to do things
that a real person can't.
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[Dykstra] The character
defies physics
in a broad enough sense.
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No matter who's looking at it,
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they go, eh, somebody
jumping off the roof
of a 20-story building,
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and hitting the sidewalk,
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if they were a stunt person,
they'd end up as a little
pile of bone and blood.
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Spider-Man!
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It became clear,
like, motion capture
couldn't get that.
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It was going to have
to be hand-animated.
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I think everyone...
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was a little bit scared
about that challenge.
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And Sony was
questioning if the VFX team
could pull it off.
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The studio was concerned
that they wouldn't be able
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to get a computer -generated
version of Spider-Man
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that would be convincing.
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So what we did is we created
a Spider-Man on the computer,
crawling up the wall,
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and we had shot
a guy climbing the wall
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in a Spider-Man suit, as well.
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And we took it to the studio
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and we said, "Okay,
so now we're going to show you.
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"This is our stunt version
of Spider-Man."
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And we showed that image.
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And then we showed
our computer-generated image.
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And didn't tell them
it was computer-generated.
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And they say, "Oh, well,
we like the second one better."
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Well, they didn't notice
that it was a computer-generated
Spider-Man,
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as opposed to a stuntman.
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With the studio
convinced by Dykstra's plan,
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Dana was grappling
with her own predicament
in marketing the film.
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Most notably...
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The first teaser trailer
for Spider-Man...
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We had no shots for.
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A not
uncommon practice
Hollywood would reserve
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for its biggest
tent pole releases.
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Just at the beginning
of when their shows
were that expensive
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and they wanted to create
an event out of it,
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we would do teaser trailers
before there was any footage
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of things like Godzilla.
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Not one
to let a lack of footage
hold her back,
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Dana concocted a plan
to sell superhero movies
to a new generation.
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My department
came up with the idea
of shooting the bank heist.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
please remain calm!
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[Precious] And then
they escape in a helicopter
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and Spider-Man
catches them in a web
between the twin towers.
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And this was
all shot by Dick Buckley.
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That would be
this Dick Buckley.
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My task was to make it feel
like an action film,
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like a Tony Scott movie.
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Lucky shot.
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That was kind of the quest.
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Sony was willing
to do whatever it took
to get the teaser right.
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This was the most expensive
teaser trailer in history.
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Go, go, go, go!
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I don't know
if it's been beat to date,
but it was two million dollars.
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It was shooting a small movie.
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Why can't you move it?
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Dick would be
shooting an all-original scene
just for the teaser.
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And not only would it need
to be action-packed,
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they had to avoid
giving anything away.
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We made a desperate attempt
to try to camouflage
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any of the comic book stuff
in the beginning.
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We were giving misleads.
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The pictures in the background
are all bad guys.
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They didn't want to give away
any ideas of what was going on.
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Obviously,
the teaser would need
to come out before the movie.
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Which presented Dick
with a rather large problem.
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The biggest issue at the time
was they were just learning
how to do realistic 3D.
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Scott Stokdyk was inventing
all this stuff with Dykstra
as we went.
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Sometimes it's,
"Wow, we don't know.
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"This hasn't been done before."
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But that would soon change.
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So we used
the marketing budget
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to put together a small team
with CG guys,
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to kind of experiment with it.
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And the teaser then became
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a testing ground
for Dykstra and his team,
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who were then able to solve
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one of the biggest
challenges of the film.
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And the swinging
through New York City,
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and the feeling of being there,
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that was a really,
really big challenge.
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And John and his wisdom
and his engineering
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had worked with a team
to put together something
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that we ended up referring to
as Spidey Cam.
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You know, I'm something
of a scientist myself.
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Just as he had
on Star Wars, 23 years earlier,
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John invented
a bespoke camera rig
to shoot the impossible.
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We took a remote control head
and put it on cables,
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and they could control the speed
and the movement of the camera
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so they could
climb the altitude,
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they could dive down,
they could circle around.
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They could go from
point A to point B.
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Back then, you know,
that was a kind of
a new experience.
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But
when it came time for it,
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it was anyone's guess
if the VFX team
could pull it off.
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Sam Raimi'sSpider-Man was shaping up
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to be a different
kind of superhero movie,
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with emotion as well as action.
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But Sam would be
encountering challenges
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unlike anything he had
ever faced before.
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He'd never work on a movie
with this kind of budget
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or at this level before.
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And the complexity
would reach its apex
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during one of the most
exciting scenes of the film.
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- What is that?
- It must be new this year.
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[Bottegoni] The Macy's Day parade
probably goes unnoticed
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in terms of it being difficult
to orchestrate
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from the computer graphics
side of the spectrum.
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- Hello, my dear.
-
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Luckily for Sam,
he wouldn't have to
do this on his own.
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Sam Raimi is still one
of my favorite directors
because he's just so prepared.
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He comes up with
exactly what he wants.
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And then what we do
is we have to come out
and perform it for him.
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And second unit
AD Lisa Satriano
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had a unique passion
for that performance.
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When I first started
as a first AD in second unit,
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I really
wanted to do first unit.
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But I would go out
for these big action movies
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and the director would
end up saying,
"You know, I really like you
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"but it's a guys' action movie.
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"So we're going to hire
the guy to do first unit.
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"But will you do
a second unit for us?" Oh, wait.
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Well,
here's what second unit does.
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"The big explosions
and the fights?
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"Sure, I'll go to that."
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Although Lisa
got to blow things up...
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And I really enjoy it.
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...she had to be careful
not to blow up the budget.
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[Satriano] That was
a time where we had
to take different sets
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in order to just make
one Times Square.
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Ultimately, I did a light study
in Times Square.
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And at the time of the year,
we picked 4:30
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because that's when the sun
breaks down those streets,
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and so I recreated
that idea on stage
to give us the thread.
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Shooting
each piece separately
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and then combining in post,
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production set off
with clear instructions.
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Visual effects always
want you to get as much
in-camera as possible.
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So they encourage us
to do as much as we can.
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Easier said than done
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when you're blowing up
the sides of buildings.
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We built the balcony on stage
because the balcony
had to break away,
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and so that had
to be a special effect.
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That was all on hydraulics.
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So we'd put it right back
and do it again
and again and again.
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[Jeri] The balcony scene,
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I think we were doing that
for about two weeks.
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And that was
Jeri's time to shine.
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[Jeri] The balcony
has to fall a little bit,
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and then it falls
a little bit more.
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And then eventually,
the banister
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breaks away and she falls.
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Spider-Man saved her
on a regular basis.
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I don't know how many times
he did it in the movie,
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but I know it was quite a few.
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That'd be three.
But who's counting?
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This was still Spidey's
first Mary Jane rescue
of the film.
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So Jeff had to
make sure this one
was something special.
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[Habberstad] To do that,
we utilized the blue screen.
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We built this huge structure
that was like 150-feet high,
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and just climbing up there
and looking down
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like, "Holy moly,
this is high."
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A substantial amount of rigging
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has been rehearsed to
get that dialed-in just right.
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So we were in New York
and Tobey's standing
on the ledge.
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Tobey was afraid of heights,
so Sam Raimi says,
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"Tobey, now try to look scared."
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And everybody's laughing
because Tobey was scared.
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It was very uncomfortable,
like, there were
a lot of big balls.
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And Jeri would
know since she was
the one being dropped,
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over and over and over again.
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It's so different
from being a schoolteacher.
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And for
the final piece of the puzzle,
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Lisa would need
to fill in those holes
left by the blue screen.
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And then we had
to go to New York
in actual Times Square,
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where second unit,
we had to shoot
background plates.
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Specifically to show New York
and to create the illusion
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for the audience
that the whole movie
took place there.
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And then John Dykstra
had to tie
all these sets together.
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In order for it
to look like Times Square.
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We'll meet again, Spider-Man!
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For Sam Raimi,
capturing the essence
of New York
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was just
as important as capturing
the wall-crawler himself.
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Sam definitely was thoughtful
about how to handle New York.
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He respected the audience
and he respected
the people of New York,
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and that was really nice to see.
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New York City is definitely
its own character in the film.
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It ended up becoming
a combination of the exteriors
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were all at the real location
in New York,
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combined with interiors
that were shot in LA.
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It was just very expensive
to shoot in New York.
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I know the New York shoot days
were much more expensive
than the LA shoot days.
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I'd rather shoot
at the White House.
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And for Steve, the phrase,
"the city that never sleeps"
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was about to
take on a new meaning.
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[Saeta] All the second unit
in New York work
was at nighttime.
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I would leave
the hotel around 6:00.
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It was the only time in my life
I was ever drinking wine at
06:00 or 07:00 in the morning.
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And he would need a drink.
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The day that
Dykstra's Spidey Cam
finally made its appearance.
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There was a cable rig
that we did in New York.
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We I ran a cable,
it was over a half a mile
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[Satriano] And it was
going to go down and dip
into the street and back up.
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And because
the camera cannot travel
as fast as Spider-Man would,
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we sped up the camera
so that we shot
at a really slow rate
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and we had the cars
going two miles an hour.
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We painted
a big box on the street
that said, "No cars go in here."
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But in New York,
even stuntmen don't
pay attention to road signs.
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Of course, the first take,
one of the stunt drivers
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pulled right into the box
and parked there,
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and the camera went
through the rear window.
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Although one
of the toughest elements
to crack would prove
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that the devil truly is
in the details.
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Up, up and away, web!
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If there was
an option to shoot something
practical, Sam took it.
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But could webbing
be shot practically?
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It was a question
Sam needed answered.
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And it was decided
that special effects
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would come up with a device
to shoot out the webs.
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So one of the effects guys
is going to test this thing.
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A lot of us gather around it.
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Everybody wants
to see this thing.
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He holds it out.
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And this stuff,
it flew all over.
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The guys laughed like hell.
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00:17:58,744 --> 00:18:00,455
The women
were totally disgusted.
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This stuff looked like something
that a man might ejaculate.
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You had to be there.
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I do remember them
building this thing
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that may have been used
for just the web coming out.
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And that was the end
of practical web slinging.
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[Green Goblin] You spun
your last Web, Spider-Man.
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Sam
opted to let his VFX team
handle this one.
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Creating the digital
version of the Web
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and defining the look of that
was an important
feature in the movie.
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How do you
make it look believable
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that a person is shooting webs
out of their body?
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We studied spiders.
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We actually brought
experts in on spiders
and how webs are spun
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and where they
come out of their bodies.
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It's more challenging
than you'd imagine.
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But if they
thought webs were
their biggest problem,
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You're acting
so strangely, Peter.
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It seemed things got harder,
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the smaller they went.
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[Bottegoni] There's another shot
that comes to mind
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where there's
a close-up on his hand.
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Where you see
these little hairs start to
spring out of his his finger.
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That was a really hard shot
to do back then, because again,
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what do hairs sprouting out
of somebody's flesh
really looked like?
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00:19:12,694 --> 00:19:14,988
And how do you make that look
real and authentic?
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00:19:15,030 --> 00:19:17,616
Our job was
to make it never feel like
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it was the computer graphics
part of the movie,
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00:19:19,660 --> 00:19:21,662
or this is where
visual effects comes in.
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00:19:21,703 --> 00:19:25,624
The struggle is to try
to make big scale
visual effects invisible.
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My sleepless nights
are about these shots.
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00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,964
The biggest fear we all had was,
are we going to be
able to keep Sam happy?
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00:19:32,005 --> 00:19:35,717
And he really wanted to have
this film come to life,
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and it was a really
ambitious project.
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And there was an expectation
that we were going
to do a lot of things
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that it frankly
hadn't been done before.
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For me, it was a moment
of panic, you know?
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Can we really do this?
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00:19:49,690 --> 00:19:52,359
Sam Raimi
was well into production
on Spider-Man
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when Green Goblin
designer Eric Hayden
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00:19:54,611 --> 00:19:58,156
had his first encounter with,
what back then, was known as
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the information superhighway.
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00:20:01,201 --> 00:20:04,288
[Hayden] This was
at the early days
of Internet sleuthing,
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00:20:04,329 --> 00:20:06,832
an image leaked
of Willem Dafoe,
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and it was the first time
on the Internet that I read
I should be shot.
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[Green Goblin] Make him suffer.
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Make him wish he were dead.
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00:20:14,548 --> 00:20:17,259
Anyone involved
with the Green Goblin
costume should be shot.
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And I thought, "Wow, it sucks.
That sucks. We don't need this."
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00:20:20,804 --> 00:20:21,847
I was bummed out.
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With fans already nervous
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00:20:23,765 --> 00:20:27,144
about the direction
Sam was taking
these beloved characters,
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the pressure
was on the VFX team
to deliver a hero
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that lived up
to their expectations.
430
00:20:32,316 --> 00:20:35,319
You know, the big... ticket item
of that movie at that time
431
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,779
was making Spider-Man
be Spider-Man.
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00:20:37,821 --> 00:20:41,617
...i.e.,
climbing walls and swinging
on webs through the sky.
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00:20:41,657 --> 00:20:45,746
A challenging task,
both creatively
and logistically.
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00:20:45,787 --> 00:20:50,542
There's always a push and pull
between stunt people
and visual effects people.
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00:20:50,584 --> 00:20:54,296
I remember there being a lot
of, you know, healthy tension.
436
00:20:54,338 --> 00:20:56,548
You know, is stunts
making this decision,
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00:20:56,590 --> 00:20:59,134
is production design
ultimately the call?
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00:20:59,176 --> 00:21:00,552
There's this Venn diagram
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00:21:00,594 --> 00:21:02,638
of all of those
responsibilities,
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00:21:02,679 --> 00:21:04,681
and in that intersection is,
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00:21:04,723 --> 00:21:05,807
you know, who's in control.
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00:21:05,849 --> 00:21:07,142
And for the stunt team,
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00:21:07,184 --> 00:21:08,894
sometimes the answer
was obvious.
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00:21:09,811 --> 00:21:11,730
It was a job for them.
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00:21:11,772 --> 00:21:13,357
And the situation
where he's...
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you could swing
from an access point
was easy.
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00:21:15,984 --> 00:21:18,529
So, like in the first one
where he goes
into the windshield,
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00:21:18,570 --> 00:21:22,449
we had a crane and it could be
the pick point that would work.
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00:21:22,491 --> 00:21:25,452
But then there are other times
where he would
shoot the web somewhere.
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00:21:25,494 --> 00:21:27,746
it would take
supernatural strength.
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00:21:27,788 --> 00:21:29,330
Nobody would be able
to hold on.
452
00:21:31,542 --> 00:21:35,128
Everybody was trying
for extreme everything.
453
00:21:35,170 --> 00:21:37,506
Extreme launches,
extreme landings,
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00:21:37,548 --> 00:21:39,675
extreme gymnastics
while in the air.
455
00:21:39,715 --> 00:21:41,760
And even
seemingly simpler stunts
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were proving to be
too dangerous for the two.
457
00:21:47,850 --> 00:21:50,936
[Buckley] In the movie where,
he first jumps from building
to building to building,
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that was going to be
a real stunt guy,
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00:21:52,436 --> 00:21:53,730
and then they had problems.
460
00:21:53,772 --> 00:21:55,107
A lot of guys got hurt.
461
00:21:55,148 --> 00:21:57,276
They spent hundreds
of thousands of dollars.
462
00:21:57,317 --> 00:21:59,862
They could do that,
and then they ended up
doing that in 3D.
463
00:21:59,903 --> 00:22:02,321
...which was
easier said than done.
464
00:22:02,364 --> 00:22:05,534
As Sam was underestimating
just how complex it would be
465
00:22:05,576 --> 00:22:07,369
to bring his vision to life.
466
00:22:07,411 --> 00:22:10,080
Sam is
a very inventive filmmaker.
467
00:22:10,122 --> 00:22:13,834
He made a lot of films.
He had never really worked
with that technology before.
468
00:22:13,876 --> 00:22:17,129
And it was a little challenging
because Sam
definitely was of the mind,
469
00:22:17,171 --> 00:22:19,423
"You know, it's in the computer.
You can do
whatever you need to do."
470
00:22:19,464 --> 00:22:23,135
Computer salesman,
computer engineer,
computer analyst.
471
00:22:23,177 --> 00:22:25,637
In one regard,
Sam Raimi wasn't wrong.
472
00:22:25,679 --> 00:22:29,308
And for Lydia and the team,
Digital Spidey was no sweat.
473
00:22:29,349 --> 00:22:31,810
The good news is,
a body in a tight Lycra suit...
474
00:22:31,852 --> 00:22:33,311
It's tight
and it's form-fitting.
475
00:22:33,353 --> 00:22:35,022
He has those tights
and that tight little...
476
00:22:35,063 --> 00:22:36,148
...butt.
477
00:22:36,190 --> 00:22:38,400
Well, there's always a but.
478
00:22:38,442 --> 00:22:40,527
But bad part is,
you don't see a face.
479
00:22:40,569 --> 00:22:41,778
He's a hero!
480
00:22:41,820 --> 00:22:43,071
Then why does he
wear a mask?
481
00:22:43,113 --> 00:22:45,115
And that's where
a lot of in-animation,
482
00:22:45,157 --> 00:22:46,867
the key to the success of,
483
00:22:46,909 --> 00:22:49,369
and the emotion
of a character comes through.
484
00:22:49,411 --> 00:22:50,829
Cheese!
485
00:22:50,871 --> 00:22:52,748
[Bottegoni] The facial
performance on Spider-Man
486
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:54,458
was kind of non-existent.
487
00:22:54,499 --> 00:22:56,210
During the filmmaking process,
488
00:22:56,251 --> 00:22:57,920
Sam realized very quickly,
489
00:22:57,961 --> 00:23:00,672
if you have
a masked villain or hero,
490
00:23:00,714 --> 00:23:02,799
you're disconnecting from them.
491
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,093
So if you go back
and watch the first movie,
492
00:23:05,135 --> 00:23:08,055
you'll notice several times
where both Spider-Man
493
00:23:08,096 --> 00:23:10,474
and the Green Goblin
lose their mask.
494
00:23:10,516 --> 00:23:12,309
- Mr. Osborn.
- [Norman] Peter.
495
00:23:12,351 --> 00:23:14,978
A decision
that would come
as a relief for Tobey.
496
00:23:15,020 --> 00:23:18,898
He's claustrophobic,
and he literally tore it off.
497
00:23:18,941 --> 00:23:21,734
But Lydia wouldn't have
the same advantage.
498
00:23:21,777 --> 00:23:23,779
It's challenging
to get life and emotion
499
00:23:23,820 --> 00:23:25,321
out of a character
when you can't see their face.
500
00:23:25,864 --> 00:23:27,449
Who are you?
501
00:23:27,491 --> 00:23:29,785
But there was another
challenge facing the team.
502
00:23:29,826 --> 00:23:34,205
Just the small matter
of digitally recreating
New York City.
503
00:23:34,248 --> 00:23:38,752
After all the plates
were photographed,
we actually scanned digitally
504
00:23:38,794 --> 00:23:42,881
and recreated and built
the entirety of the streets
that we also filmed.
505
00:23:42,923 --> 00:23:47,511
So in a lot of cases,
what you're seeing
is CGI recreations
506
00:23:47,553 --> 00:23:50,597
with also real-world
photography
507
00:23:50,638 --> 00:23:53,141
and actual filming
that we did, blended together.
508
00:23:53,183 --> 00:23:55,352
The goal is that,
you never know the difference.
509
00:23:55,394 --> 00:23:57,771
And with all the work
the VFX team was doing,
510
00:23:57,813 --> 00:24:00,107
the costs were
starting to grow.
511
00:24:00,148 --> 00:24:02,025
Dykstra, he was blowing money
512
00:24:02,067 --> 00:24:04,236
doing things that nobody
had done before.
513
00:24:04,278 --> 00:24:07,446
At least 10% of the budget
went to visual effects
514
00:24:07,489 --> 00:24:09,532
and probably
was higher than that.
515
00:24:09,575 --> 00:24:12,327
[Burgess] The visual effects budget
was astronomical.
516
00:24:12,369 --> 00:24:14,162
So there's always a moment,
no matter how many days
517
00:24:14,204 --> 00:24:16,373
of shooting you have
and how big your budget is,
518
00:24:16,415 --> 00:24:20,042
you're always going to have
a point where you're
going to have to rein it in.
519
00:24:20,085 --> 00:24:22,546
And so I remember
at some point,
Laura Ziskin saying,
520
00:24:22,588 --> 00:24:26,049
"We are way over
in this department
with these visual effects shots.
521
00:24:26,090 --> 00:24:27,718
"Is there
another way to do this?"
522
00:24:27,759 --> 00:24:29,678
So Don went old school.
523
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,265
It's always fun to create
some in-camera visual effects.
524
00:24:33,307 --> 00:24:36,643
I suggested
we use a Translight,
outside of New York City,
525
00:24:36,685 --> 00:24:38,270
with all the skyline
in the background
526
00:24:38,311 --> 00:24:39,646
and eliminate
the visual effects shots
527
00:24:39,688 --> 00:24:41,190
from this particular sequence.
528
00:24:41,231 --> 00:24:43,859
[Green Goblin] Think about it, Hero.
529
00:24:43,901 --> 00:24:46,111
Despite Don's
cost-saving measures,
530
00:24:46,153 --> 00:24:48,571
the budget was ballooning
in every department.
531
00:24:48,614 --> 00:24:53,535
Fifty stunt guys had come in
for three months to build
all these wire rigs.
532
00:24:53,577 --> 00:24:56,205
They literally spent
almost $10 million.
533
00:24:56,246 --> 00:24:58,749
And a week
before we were going
to start shooting,
534
00:24:58,790 --> 00:25:02,169
the studio and Sam
decided to change the ending.
535
00:25:02,211 --> 00:25:05,797
So all of that three months
of work and that
$10 million went buh-bye.
536
00:25:05,839 --> 00:25:09,468
And
even stunts were getting in
on the cost cutting action.
537
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:13,555
[Habberstad] Spider-Man
leaps off the bridge,
grabs the cable swings around.
538
00:25:13,597 --> 00:25:16,099
We did think that was going
to be an all-CG shot.
539
00:25:16,141 --> 00:25:21,271
We actually did a 180-foot
fall with Spider-Man,and Mary Jane.
540
00:25:21,313 --> 00:25:22,272
It's a really cool shot.
541
00:25:23,941 --> 00:25:26,318
Tobey wanted
to come down for a rest
when they were up there
542
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,153
hanging in the web together.
543
00:25:28,195 --> 00:25:31,156
Kirsten said
she's outlasting him.
544
00:25:31,198 --> 00:25:35,536
Tobey shut up
and he was good after that.
545
00:25:35,577 --> 00:25:39,414
Of course, I think it was
a really cool shot in the movie
because it was real.
546
00:25:41,333 --> 00:25:45,546
It takes a lot of people
to create these illusions
because, you know,
547
00:25:45,587 --> 00:25:48,715
the price of doing these things
is so high per day to shoot.
548
00:25:48,757 --> 00:25:52,219
So it puts a lot more pressure
on everybody to perform.
549
00:25:52,261 --> 00:25:55,513
The pressure
was on, but the team
was rising to the occasion.
550
00:25:57,015 --> 00:25:58,934
It seemed like
nothing could stop them.
551
00:26:00,853 --> 00:26:02,563
Well, almost nothing.
552
00:26:02,604 --> 00:26:07,901
Through the whole movie,
we had not had
the final sequence designed.
553
00:26:07,943 --> 00:26:09,278
Not for lack of trying,
554
00:26:09,319 --> 00:26:12,406
as the team had found
the perfect location.
555
00:26:12,446 --> 00:26:16,702
Part of the old, I think,
tuberculosis hospital
on Roosevelt Island.
556
00:26:16,743 --> 00:26:18,494
There was only one issue...
557
00:26:18,537 --> 00:26:21,205
It was deemed unsafe
so they ended up building that
in Los Angeles.
558
00:26:24,084 --> 00:26:27,796
So the last month, we'd go over
to the stage at lunch
559
00:26:27,838 --> 00:26:29,965
and just build the set
to fit what we needed.
560
00:26:30,007 --> 00:26:33,886
I was just asking him
for a little running water
down here.
561
00:26:33,927 --> 00:26:35,929
We literally,
developed it as we went
562
00:26:35,971 --> 00:26:39,057
and say, "Hey, build this wall."
It turned out cool.
563
00:26:39,099 --> 00:26:41,393
As principal
photography was wrapping,
564
00:26:41,435 --> 00:26:43,979
even though Sony had
turned down Yair's deal
565
00:26:44,021 --> 00:26:46,273
for 25 of Marvel's properties.
566
00:26:46,315 --> 00:26:47,900
They were fucking idiots.
567
00:26:47,941 --> 00:26:49,943
Yair was still singing
the praises of Spider-Man
568
00:26:49,984 --> 00:26:51,778
to anyone who would listen.
569
00:26:51,820 --> 00:26:53,864
I went to PlayStation
and I said,
570
00:26:53,906 --> 00:26:56,575
"We're making Spider-Man.
It's gonna be a gigantic hit."
571
00:26:56,617 --> 00:26:59,411
Would PlayStation
like to make this title?
572
00:26:59,453 --> 00:27:00,996
And the answer came back, "No."
573
00:27:01,038 --> 00:27:03,248
PlayStation
did believe in Spider-Man.
574
00:27:03,290 --> 00:27:06,710
And so we licensed
it out to Activision.
575
00:27:06,752 --> 00:27:11,882
So I got passed on twice
in terms of my belief in...
in the MCU and in Spider-Man.
576
00:27:11,924 --> 00:27:16,261
It seemed that
everyone had their doubts
about Spider-Man.
577
00:27:16,303 --> 00:27:20,057
And as the pressure mounted,
it remained to be seen
if they were right.
578
00:27:23,769 --> 00:27:25,854
Deep into post production
on Spider-Man,
579
00:27:25,896 --> 00:27:28,648
Sam had some big plans
for the edit process,
580
00:27:28,690 --> 00:27:31,318
which was keeping
everyone on their toes.
581
00:27:32,236 --> 00:27:34,279
A big visual effects movie
582
00:27:34,321 --> 00:27:36,657
or a movie where a lot of
what's happening in the film
583
00:27:36,698 --> 00:27:39,076
happens after it's filmed,
happens in post,
584
00:27:39,117 --> 00:27:42,538
means a really tight
collaboration is needed.
585
00:27:42,579 --> 00:27:45,832
And a lot of that film
was being found
in the editing room.
586
00:27:45,874 --> 00:27:48,877
...Which, in Hollywood,
isn't that unusual.
587
00:27:48,919 --> 00:27:51,255
[Burgess] There's material
that you write
and the material you shoot.
588
00:27:51,296 --> 00:27:52,548
And then there's,
you know, the film,
589
00:27:52,589 --> 00:27:53,965
ultimately,
that you cut together.
590
00:27:54,007 --> 00:27:55,300
And Sam is very good about that.
591
00:27:55,342 --> 00:27:57,845
He's very good
about taking that material
592
00:27:57,886 --> 00:28:00,472
and then creating something
that's bigger than all of us.
593
00:28:00,513 --> 00:28:03,725
Impressive.
Your parents must be very proud.
594
00:28:03,767 --> 00:28:06,728
And because
he was still searching
for the tone of the film,
595
00:28:06,770 --> 00:28:09,648
Raimi employed a trick
he'd used on previous projects.
596
00:28:10,523 --> 00:28:11,984
On the first Spider-Man,
597
00:28:12,025 --> 00:28:14,319
there was a period of time
where there were two editors.
598
00:28:14,361 --> 00:28:16,196
[Burgess] Given the same set
of dailies, in essence,
599
00:28:16,238 --> 00:28:17,698
and they would both
cut the scene together.
600
00:28:17,739 --> 00:28:19,116
And then he would
look at both versions
601
00:28:19,157 --> 00:28:20,826
and they would go
one way or another.
602
00:28:20,868 --> 00:28:22,953
It didn't seem like
that lasted too long.
603
00:28:22,994 --> 00:28:26,582
At one point, we were told
that Bob Murawski
was the primary editor
604
00:28:26,623 --> 00:28:28,417
and we were going
to be going off of his cut.
605
00:28:28,458 --> 00:28:30,460
Having partnered
with Bob all the way back
606
00:28:30,502 --> 00:28:32,504
when he did Army of Darkness,
607
00:28:32,546 --> 00:28:35,215
Sam had someone
who knew how he worked.
608
00:28:37,009 --> 00:28:38,677
Hail to the King, baby.
609
00:28:38,719 --> 00:28:43,015
He and his editor
would be constantly
throwing us curveballs
610
00:28:43,056 --> 00:28:46,476
and tinkering with things
and coming up with new ideas.
611
00:28:46,518 --> 00:28:48,312
We used to refer to it
as throwing us in the blender.
612
00:28:48,353 --> 00:28:50,772
Bob and Sam
had a lot of new ideas
613
00:28:50,814 --> 00:28:52,399
once they saw
the picture assembled,
614
00:28:52,441 --> 00:28:56,612
and wanted to start finding
the feel of the movie.
615
00:28:56,653 --> 00:28:58,530
We got thrown
in the blender a lot.
616
00:28:58,572 --> 00:29:01,950
And because of
Sam's lack of experience
with visual effects...
617
00:29:01,992 --> 00:29:04,494
He'd never really worked
with that technology before.
618
00:29:04,536 --> 00:29:08,332
...some of those new ideas
were getting
struck down by reality.
619
00:29:08,373 --> 00:29:11,752
I remember
three quarters of the way in
on the first one at some point,
620
00:29:11,793 --> 00:29:13,921
when we were trying
to explain yet again
621
00:29:13,962 --> 00:29:15,631
why we can't just
change that shot
622
00:29:15,672 --> 00:29:17,883
because we've done all of
the computer animation for it
623
00:29:17,925 --> 00:29:20,427
and redoing it
for this new idea.
624
00:29:20,469 --> 00:29:21,929
There just wasn't time.
625
00:29:21,970 --> 00:29:24,264
And I remember a moment
where he said,
626
00:29:24,306 --> 00:29:27,142
"You know, on the next one,
I'm going to be
so much smarter about this.
627
00:29:27,184 --> 00:29:29,311
"I've learned
about how this works
628
00:29:29,353 --> 00:29:32,898
"and how I need to work
with the artists
and the digital animators."
629
00:29:32,940 --> 00:29:34,358
And it really was true.
630
00:29:34,399 --> 00:29:37,694
The first one was a a big
learning curve for everybody.
631
00:29:37,736 --> 00:29:39,863
With the edit
firing on all cylinders,
632
00:29:39,905 --> 00:29:41,907
the VFX team
were able to deliver
633
00:29:41,949 --> 00:29:45,410
their CG shots to Dick Buckley,
and the teaser trailer team.
634
00:29:45,452 --> 00:29:46,828
It was kept very secret.
635
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:48,789
We did one test.
636
00:29:48,830 --> 00:29:51,375
But the final step
before releasing
the teaser to the world,
637
00:29:51,416 --> 00:29:54,670
was that dreaded
Hollywood ritual,
the focus group.
638
00:29:54,711 --> 00:29:56,880
Most people tripped out on it.
639
00:29:56,922 --> 00:29:58,423
Dick's just being humble.
640
00:29:58,465 --> 00:30:00,801
But with so much
anticipation for the film,
641
00:30:00,843 --> 00:30:02,845
rumors were quickly
spread online
642
00:30:02,886 --> 00:30:04,429
following the screening.
643
00:30:04,471 --> 00:30:06,640
[Buckley] People got on the Internet
and started talking.
644
00:30:06,682 --> 00:30:09,268
And literally 30 minutes
from the time it was screened,
645
00:30:09,309 --> 00:30:10,853
up pops people thinking
646
00:30:10,894 --> 00:30:13,897
that one of the bad guys
is the brother from Frasier.
647
00:30:13,939 --> 00:30:15,691
It's really more
of a compatibility thing.
648
00:30:15,732 --> 00:30:18,360
To be fair though,
it could have been worse.
649
00:30:18,402 --> 00:30:21,154
Anyone involved with
the Green Goblin costume
should be shot.
650
00:30:21,196 --> 00:30:24,324
Slightly rattled
by the fledgling world
of social media,
651
00:30:24,366 --> 00:30:27,202
Sony released the teaser
in July 2001.
652
00:30:27,244 --> 00:30:30,956
Dana's a genius at creating
event marketing.
653
00:30:30,998 --> 00:30:32,416
She knew her stuff.
654
00:30:32,457 --> 00:30:35,252
And for Dana,
anxiety turned to triumph
655
00:30:35,294 --> 00:30:37,838
that her big idea
was paying off.
656
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,966
[Precious] The pressure
on all of us was so huge.
657
00:30:41,008 --> 00:30:43,635
And then
we released that trailer.
658
00:30:43,677 --> 00:30:45,929
We were so relieved
when it finally
got on the screen.
659
00:30:45,971 --> 00:30:49,558
I went to the theaters
just to make sure the prints
looked cool and stuff.
660
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,602
I was like, "Okay,
the phone's going to ring."
661
00:30:51,643 --> 00:30:54,354
While Dick
waited by the phone
for his next job,
662
00:30:54,396 --> 00:30:56,773
the world
experienced a plot twist
663
00:30:56,815 --> 00:30:58,859
that no one
could have predicted.
664
00:30:58,901 --> 00:31:00,485
[Buckley] It was
the second day of school.
665
00:31:00,527 --> 00:31:03,989
I was up
to take my kids to school,
and I'm watching the news.
666
00:31:04,031 --> 00:31:06,825
It's 8:52 here in New York.
I'm Bryant Gumbel.
667
00:31:06,867 --> 00:31:09,077
We understand that there
has been a plane crash
668
00:31:09,119 --> 00:31:10,829
on the southern tip
of Manhattan.
669
00:31:10,871 --> 00:31:13,457
On September 11th, 2001,
670
00:31:13,498 --> 00:31:15,792
the unthinkable happened.
671
00:31:15,834 --> 00:31:19,421
And I called Dana,
and I'm like, "Are you
watching this? Now what?"
672
00:31:19,463 --> 00:31:22,758
It was incredibly
emotional time.
673
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:24,468
And here we have a trailer,
674
00:31:25,385 --> 00:31:26,595
and our poster,
675
00:31:26,637 --> 00:31:28,931
that are featuring
the twin towers.
676
00:31:28,972 --> 00:31:30,140
And that makes me want to cry.
677
00:31:32,643 --> 00:31:33,602
It was a really sad day.
678
00:31:35,771 --> 00:31:37,481
I remember
being on the phone
679
00:31:37,523 --> 00:31:39,942
with our
distribution department,
680
00:31:39,983 --> 00:31:42,444
and we're trying to get
every trailer pulled.
681
00:31:42,486 --> 00:31:45,948
And every poster pulled
from around the world.
682
00:31:47,783 --> 00:31:52,120
When no one was there
because everyone's
home, in shock.
683
00:31:52,162 --> 00:31:55,207
Luckily,
with Sam Raimi
deep in the edit process,
684
00:31:55,249 --> 00:31:58,293
and the VFX team cranking out
more shots every day.
685
00:31:58,335 --> 00:32:02,881
there was now a pool
of footage Dana could use
from the film itself.
686
00:32:02,923 --> 00:32:07,719
We pivoted immediately
to just going
straight to a final trailer.
687
00:32:07,761 --> 00:32:12,599
And the final trailer really
was the origin story
for Peter Parker.
688
00:32:12,641 --> 00:32:15,394
[Peter] Not everyone is meant
to make a difference.
689
00:32:15,435 --> 00:32:18,689
Being forced to abandon
Sony's action heavy teaser,
690
00:32:18,730 --> 00:32:22,192
the new trailer would embrace
all those elements
of Raimi's vision
691
00:32:22,234 --> 00:32:24,069
the studio was nervous about.
692
00:32:24,111 --> 00:32:27,155
We made sure to get in,
you know, the love story.
693
00:32:27,197 --> 00:32:30,659
He saved my life twice,
and I've never even
seen his face.
694
00:32:30,701 --> 00:32:32,536
That trailer, I'm proud to say,
695
00:32:32,578 --> 00:32:37,207
was the highest testing trailer
and research in history.
696
00:32:37,249 --> 00:32:39,126
You are amazing.
697
00:32:39,168 --> 00:32:40,794
Sam had been vindicated,
698
00:32:40,836 --> 00:32:42,296
and audiences were eager
699
00:32:42,337 --> 00:32:44,798
to see this new kind
of superhero movie.
700
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,885
[Precious] As I recall, it had,
like, a 93% approval rating.
701
00:32:47,926 --> 00:32:52,723
I actually had Amy Pascal
sign the research
because it was so amazing.
702
00:32:52,764 --> 00:32:56,560
But there was another reason
Spider-Man was resonating.
703
00:32:56,602 --> 00:33:01,190
9/11 heightened the emotions
surrounding Spider-Man.
704
00:33:01,231 --> 00:33:05,110
People wanted a hero after 9/11.
705
00:33:05,152 --> 00:33:06,528
They wanted to
believe in something
706
00:33:06,570 --> 00:33:08,572
bigger than themselves
and better than themselves.
707
00:33:08,614 --> 00:33:12,659
And I think that Spider-Man
resonated with people.
708
00:33:12,701 --> 00:33:15,329
And those ripples
quickly became waves,
709
00:33:15,370 --> 00:33:17,289
not just for the trailer
or the film,
710
00:33:17,331 --> 00:33:20,417
but for the movie business
at large.
711
00:33:20,459 --> 00:33:25,881
[Landau] In some ways,
we were first really big
New York set film post-9/11.
712
00:33:25,923 --> 00:33:28,300
It's hard to conceive of,
you know, 22 years later,
713
00:33:28,342 --> 00:33:31,303
but at the time it was really,
really significant.
714
00:33:31,345 --> 00:33:33,430
We were acutely
cognizant of that
715
00:33:33,472 --> 00:33:36,183
in terms of
a bunch of decisions
we made at the studio.
716
00:33:36,225 --> 00:33:39,144
With a looming release date
just eight months away,
717
00:33:39,186 --> 00:33:43,065
the burden on Sam Raimi
to deliver the kind
of film the world wanted,
718
00:33:43,106 --> 00:33:46,026
and maybe needed,
was heavier than ever.
719
00:33:46,068 --> 00:33:48,362
I mean, to say that
the collective consciousness
720
00:33:48,403 --> 00:33:50,697
was in a bad place
would be an understatement.
721
00:33:50,739 --> 00:33:52,783
It was just a...
It was a bad time, man.
722
00:33:52,824 --> 00:33:55,077
Just a bad, bad time.
723
00:34:01,250 --> 00:34:03,085
The studio
was beginning to embrace
724
00:34:03,126 --> 00:34:05,212
Sam Raimi's
vision for Spider-Man.
725
00:34:05,254 --> 00:34:10,592
Yet lingering concerns about
the film's action sequences
still loomed large.
726
00:34:10,634 --> 00:34:14,596
So we'd go to do a sequence,
and if it cost too much money,
727
00:34:14,638 --> 00:34:16,139
we'd have to trim it down.
728
00:34:16,181 --> 00:34:19,059
After the movie was over,
the studio would look at it.
729
00:34:19,101 --> 00:34:21,478
And then, of course,
want to embellish the actions.
730
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,230
Then the studio
would give you more money
731
00:34:23,272 --> 00:34:24,857
and you'd go out
and embellish it.
732
00:34:24,898 --> 00:34:27,025
And that meant reshoots.
733
00:34:27,067 --> 00:34:28,193
On the first Spider-Man,
734
00:34:28,235 --> 00:34:30,320
I think we had about
a month of reshoots.
735
00:34:30,362 --> 00:34:32,906
And that would present
new opportunities for Lisa.
736
00:34:32,948 --> 00:34:35,826
It was on reshoots
that I became the first AD
737
00:34:35,868 --> 00:34:37,327
on the first unit,
738
00:34:37,369 --> 00:34:38,954
and one of my favorite sets
739
00:34:38,996 --> 00:34:41,707
in the first Spider-Man
was the fire set.
740
00:34:44,376 --> 00:34:47,713
Where he rescues the baby
and then has
the fight with the Goblin.
741
00:34:47,754 --> 00:34:49,672
[Green Goblin] Are you in or are you out?
742
00:34:50,757 --> 00:34:52,509
It's you who's out, Gobby.
743
00:34:52,551 --> 00:34:55,094
Spider-Man
and Green Goblin
might have been on set,
744
00:34:55,137 --> 00:34:57,139
but Willem and Tobey
got to stay home.
745
00:34:57,181 --> 00:34:58,390
[Spider-Man] Oh, great.
746
00:34:58,431 --> 00:35:00,350
They were
when we shot the original.
747
00:35:00,392 --> 00:35:02,978
But when we did the reshoots,
it was just the stunt guys
748
00:35:03,020 --> 00:35:04,396
picking up some of the fight.
749
00:35:04,438 --> 00:35:06,064
And filming
flames up close
750
00:35:06,106 --> 00:35:09,735
made for a hot set
in more ways than one.
751
00:35:09,776 --> 00:35:14,031
So 20 years ago, we would have
real fire in the foreground.
752
00:35:14,072 --> 00:35:15,866
And visual effects
would do the background.
753
00:35:15,908 --> 00:35:19,036
All of us crew at this time
had to get in fire suits
754
00:35:19,077 --> 00:35:23,540
and respirators,
in order to go in
and shoot with real fire.
755
00:35:23,582 --> 00:35:26,793
With new
action sequences
out of the way,
756
00:35:26,835 --> 00:35:29,379
after his teaser trailer
was pulled,
757
00:35:29,421 --> 00:35:31,547
Dick was still waiting
for the phone to ring.
758
00:35:34,843 --> 00:35:38,305
Phone didn't ring.
That little scenario
screwed up my entire life.
759
00:35:38,347 --> 00:35:40,641
Because I couldn't show
that trailer to anybody.
760
00:35:40,681 --> 00:35:41,975
And I was working
in commercials.
761
00:35:42,017 --> 00:35:43,893
I couldn't even show it
to agencies in New York
762
00:35:43,936 --> 00:35:46,146
because they were
so upset about it.
763
00:35:46,188 --> 00:35:47,940
So that was kind of a drag.
764
00:35:47,981 --> 00:35:50,317
While Dick
worked on getting his career
back on track,
765
00:35:50,359 --> 00:35:54,404
Lydia and the VFX team
were barely holding on.
766
00:35:54,446 --> 00:35:58,116
I remember deep into production
when we were doing
767
00:35:58,158 --> 00:36:00,077
a lot of late nights
and weekends...
768
00:36:00,118 --> 00:36:02,829
I'm sorry, I'm late.
Work was murder.
769
00:36:02,871 --> 00:36:05,873
It was probably 10:00 at night,
and I remember a moment
770
00:36:05,916 --> 00:36:07,835
driving home
down Washington Boulevard.
771
00:36:07,876 --> 00:36:10,587
I stopped at a red light
and I looked up and saw
772
00:36:10,629 --> 00:36:12,089
a billboard
with Spider-Man on it
773
00:36:12,130 --> 00:36:14,341
that said
the in-theater date on it.
774
00:36:14,383 --> 00:36:16,552
And I think I put my head down
in my hands and thought,
775
00:36:16,593 --> 00:36:18,594
"Oh, my God,
it's on the billboard.
776
00:36:18,637 --> 00:36:20,389
"We cannot miss that date."
777
00:36:20,430 --> 00:36:23,684
And hard deadlines
meant hard decisions.
778
00:36:23,725 --> 00:36:28,772
As artists, everybody knows
that you're never finished.
779
00:36:28,814 --> 00:36:30,983
The work
is never really finished.
780
00:36:31,024 --> 00:36:34,820
We take everything to
pretty good or good enough.
781
00:36:34,862 --> 00:36:37,906
Crap. Crap. Mega crap.
782
00:36:37,948 --> 00:36:40,534
And then it's like,
how good is good enough?
783
00:36:40,576 --> 00:36:43,203
And how good is good enough,
is partially my decision.
784
00:36:43,245 --> 00:36:45,080
It's partially
the director's decision.
785
00:36:45,122 --> 00:36:47,123
Partially money, partially time.
786
00:36:47,165 --> 00:36:52,754
Sam's personality is that,
"Let's go until the very end
787
00:36:52,796 --> 00:36:57,092
"and make everything
as good as possible
on all levels of the movie."
788
00:36:57,134 --> 00:36:58,594
And with that in mind,
789
00:36:58,635 --> 00:37:02,389
Sam Raimi
made a last ditch,
11th-hour request.
790
00:37:02,431 --> 00:37:04,183
After the movie
had wrapped and everything,
791
00:37:04,224 --> 00:37:06,685
they decided they wanted
to do one more shot.
792
00:37:06,727 --> 00:37:08,896
[Lefler] Of Spider-Man
swinging down the streets,
793
00:37:08,937 --> 00:37:11,440
and then he ends up
on a flagpole with
the American flag behind him.
794
00:37:15,819 --> 00:37:17,070
And I had storyboard of that.
795
00:37:17,112 --> 00:37:19,323
But I was quite surprised
when I saw the movie
796
00:37:19,364 --> 00:37:22,284
that the whole sequence
was there,
797
00:37:22,326 --> 00:37:23,911
because I don't know that
that was scripted.
798
00:37:23,952 --> 00:37:26,580
I think that was just
something I drew to suggest...
799
00:37:27,497 --> 00:37:31,043
uh, a strong visual ending.
800
00:37:31,084 --> 00:37:34,213
After a roller coaster
of a production,
801
00:37:34,254 --> 00:37:37,216
the VFX team
charged in one more time.
802
00:37:37,257 --> 00:37:39,468
So what we did in LA,
803
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:43,430
was the part of Spidey
flying down and then up.
804
00:37:43,472 --> 00:37:45,599
We did it downtown on a Sunday.
805
00:37:45,641 --> 00:37:49,143
The art department
painted two intersections
806
00:37:49,186 --> 00:37:51,813
like in New York,
where you don't block the box.
807
00:37:51,855 --> 00:37:54,608
We stopped traffic
and we had a camera on a wire.
808
00:37:54,650 --> 00:37:56,693
The camera comes down
and it zooms up.
809
00:37:56,735 --> 00:37:58,904
And when I saw the shot,
I was like, "Wow, that's magic.
810
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:02,866
Just magic.
811
00:38:02,908 --> 00:38:06,119
[Dykstra] The final shot
in the movie,
required infinite care
812
00:38:06,161 --> 00:38:09,706
because it was, you know,
the climax of the movie
and it wanted to sync.
813
00:38:09,748 --> 00:38:12,751
[Stokdyk] One of my memories,
I think, is of the artist
working on the shot,
814
00:38:12,793 --> 00:38:16,338
sleeping under his desk,
just like
working on it full-time.
815
00:38:16,380 --> 00:38:18,632
To some extent,
the end of these movies
816
00:38:18,674 --> 00:38:21,510
does become a blur
because you're sleep-deprived
817
00:38:21,552 --> 00:38:24,596
and you're working
around-the-clock
and it's emotional.
818
00:38:24,638 --> 00:38:26,098
You know, you just
want to do your best.
819
00:38:26,139 --> 00:38:27,891
But the question remained.
820
00:38:27,933 --> 00:38:31,854
How to properly address
the sudden absence
of the twin towers.
821
00:38:31,895 --> 00:38:34,898
I seem to remember
that we actually
put them in some shots
822
00:38:34,940 --> 00:38:37,276
that we shot post-9/11.
823
00:38:37,317 --> 00:38:39,611
And that included
Raimi's final scene.
824
00:38:39,652 --> 00:38:41,321
I don't know that
that Scott's decision
825
00:38:41,363 --> 00:38:42,739
on where to place
the Twin Towers
826
00:38:42,781 --> 00:38:44,783
was actually
an executive decision.
827
00:38:44,825 --> 00:38:48,328
I think that was Scott and John
and the Imageworks team
acting independently.
828
00:38:48,370 --> 00:38:50,163
[Stokdyk] So there was
a conscious decision
829
00:38:50,205 --> 00:38:52,541
to not erase it
from the landscape.
830
00:38:52,583 --> 00:38:54,251
But actually to add it back.
831
00:38:54,293 --> 00:38:56,003
Gone, but not forgotten.
832
00:38:57,129 --> 00:38:58,255
That was the right thing to do.
833
00:39:01,884 --> 00:39:05,179
The release date
for Spider-Man
was just around the corner,
834
00:39:05,219 --> 00:39:07,848
and Sony knew
they were taking a big risk.
835
00:39:07,890 --> 00:39:10,225
They believed in it, obviously,
and they thought that
836
00:39:10,267 --> 00:39:12,811
it was a really good movie
that had the potential
to attract an audience.
837
00:39:12,853 --> 00:39:14,354
But just because you make
a really good movie
838
00:39:14,396 --> 00:39:15,647
and deliver it to the crowds
839
00:39:15,689 --> 00:39:17,315
doesn't mean that
everybody's going to show up.
840
00:39:17,357 --> 00:39:20,110
On the opening day
of May 3rd, 2002,
841
00:39:20,152 --> 00:39:22,321
they'd find out
if it would pay off.
842
00:39:22,362 --> 00:39:24,198
[Precious] On Fridays,
843
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,700
we have a really good idea
of how well it's going
to do for the weekend
844
00:39:26,742 --> 00:39:28,493
because there's
a mathematical formula.
845
00:39:28,535 --> 00:39:30,579
[O'Connell] And as they were
hearing the numbers,
846
00:39:30,621 --> 00:39:32,789
the projections of what
the opening weekend
was going to be
847
00:39:32,831 --> 00:39:35,167
just kept growing
higher and higher.
848
00:39:35,209 --> 00:39:38,921
The reaction was,
"Oh, my fucking God.
This is huge."
849
00:39:38,962 --> 00:39:41,340
This is the biggest
movie opening of all time.
850
00:39:41,381 --> 00:39:43,300
[Sneider] Open to over $100 million,
851
00:39:43,342 --> 00:39:44,760
which I don't think
any movie had ever done.
852
00:39:44,801 --> 00:39:46,762
- up until that point.
- Sold out.
853
00:39:46,803 --> 00:39:51,225
We got these little plaques
from the studio that had
"114 million" on them.
854
00:39:51,266 --> 00:39:52,601
That was tremendous.
855
00:39:52,643 --> 00:39:54,436
It wasn't just about
"Hey, we're making money."
856
00:39:54,478 --> 00:39:58,023
It was, "People love this movie
and they're
showing up in droves."
857
00:39:58,065 --> 00:40:00,984
But for Sony,
who were desperate for a win...
858
00:40:01,026 --> 00:40:03,277
[Landau] Spider-Man kind of
single-handedly changed
859
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,031
the economic fortunes
of Sony Pictures.
860
00:40:06,073 --> 00:40:09,535
It was
an unprecedented reaction
for an opening weekend.
861
00:40:09,576 --> 00:40:11,786
And no one was
more pleased than Dana.
862
00:40:11,828 --> 00:40:14,414
The feeling I felt was relief
863
00:40:14,456 --> 00:40:16,917
because there'd been
so much pressure for so long.
864
00:40:16,959 --> 00:40:20,963
But it was
more than just the box office
making the film such a success.
865
00:40:23,090 --> 00:40:25,801
[Henderson] It was the first big movie
that came out after 9/11,
866
00:40:25,843 --> 00:40:29,555
and I think people
were desperate
for something aspirational.
867
00:40:29,596 --> 00:40:32,140
Kind of the rise of the city
in the film, I think
868
00:40:32,181 --> 00:40:35,018
was really
emotionally significant
to a lot of people at the time.
869
00:40:35,060 --> 00:40:37,521
[Spider-Man] Come on up here, joker.
I got a little something for ya!
870
00:40:37,563 --> 00:40:40,023
The city helps Spider-Man
defeat the Goblin.
871
00:40:40,065 --> 00:40:42,025
You mess with me,
you mess with New York!
872
00:40:42,067 --> 00:40:44,570
You mess with one of us,
you messed with all of us!
873
00:40:44,611 --> 00:40:46,321
And I think that was a current
that was running
874
00:40:46,363 --> 00:40:47,739
through New York City
at that time.
875
00:40:47,781 --> 00:40:50,200
This overwhelming sense
of New York pride.
876
00:40:50,242 --> 00:40:52,494
Spider-Man
sort of tapped into that
877
00:40:52,536 --> 00:40:55,664
in a way that didn't feel like
it was capitalizing on it.
878
00:40:55,706 --> 00:40:56,748
He's not gonna make it.
879
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:58,041
He's gonna make it.
880
00:40:58,083 --> 00:40:59,751
Even if it hadn't
made any money,
881
00:40:59,793 --> 00:41:01,503
I would still be
very proud of it.
882
00:41:03,088 --> 00:41:04,672
And despite early stumbles,
883
00:41:04,715 --> 00:41:08,886
Sam Raimi had hit the mark
for audiences in a big way.
884
00:41:08,927 --> 00:41:12,514
[Buckley] He introduced
the genre as, like, human.
885
00:41:12,556 --> 00:41:15,726
You're not making
a Tony Scott Chase film.
It's first love.
886
00:41:15,767 --> 00:41:19,146
It can relate to everybody
From 7th grade to 90.
887
00:41:19,188 --> 00:41:21,106
I love you so much, Peter.
888
00:41:21,148 --> 00:41:23,817
When Sam Raimi
wanted Tobey Maguire,
889
00:41:23,859 --> 00:41:25,861
I remember the studio
really rebelled
890
00:41:25,902 --> 00:41:28,113
because they didn't
understand the franchise.
891
00:41:28,155 --> 00:41:30,657
Sam Raimi was right
to want Tobey Maguire
892
00:41:30,699 --> 00:41:33,118
because he was
exactly the franchise.
893
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,080
It had been
an almost impossible needle
to thread, but here it was.
894
00:41:37,122 --> 00:41:40,918
[Lefler] It was a rare a case
where they really did put
895
00:41:40,959 --> 00:41:43,378
the right filmmaker
in that position
896
00:41:43,420 --> 00:41:46,632
and gave him enough support.
897
00:41:46,672 --> 00:41:48,383
Despite
becoming a scapegoat
898
00:41:48,425 --> 00:41:50,719
for the early studio reaction
to the film,
899
00:41:50,761 --> 00:41:54,056
upon the movie's release,
Doug was surprised
by what he saw.
900
00:41:54,097 --> 00:41:57,726
They used everything that I did.
They didn't reshoot any of it.
901
00:41:57,768 --> 00:42:00,145
If they had fired me
because I didn't know
902
00:42:00,187 --> 00:42:02,564
how to direct action,
then why did they use it?
903
00:42:02,606 --> 00:42:05,359
I was frustrated.
904
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,902
And that's a tough thing
to bounce back from.
905
00:42:07,945 --> 00:42:11,949
I didn't re-watch the film
for 20 years,
and then I re-watched it.
906
00:42:11,989 --> 00:42:13,367
It holds up well.
907
00:42:13,408 --> 00:42:15,202
It is an emotionally
engaging story,
908
00:42:15,244 --> 00:42:17,036
and Sam made
a really a good film,
909
00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:19,456
and I'm proud to have
been a part of it.
910
00:42:19,498 --> 00:42:21,208
For Lydia
and the VFX team,
911
00:42:21,250 --> 00:42:24,419
opening weekend was like
the end of a two-year marathon.
912
00:42:24,460 --> 00:42:27,631
I think we had 24 hours
of celebration
913
00:42:27,672 --> 00:42:29,508
and, you know, victory laughs.
914
00:42:31,134 --> 00:42:34,972
I wanna say, 24 hours later,
I remember getting a call
915
00:42:35,013 --> 00:42:37,056
from one of the executives
at the studio
916
00:42:37,099 --> 00:42:41,018
And literally, we were told,
"Get ready for Spider-Man 2.
917
00:42:41,061 --> 00:42:43,689
"Keep your crew intact,
you know, get everybody ready.
918
00:42:43,730 --> 00:42:45,357
"Because we're gonna be
in theatres again
919
00:42:45,399 --> 00:42:47,484
"two years
from this same weekend."
920
00:42:47,526 --> 00:42:51,446
The end of one thing,
the start of something new.
921
00:42:51,488 --> 00:42:55,450
There's no way! There's no way
I'm gonna do Spider-Man 2.
922
00:42:55,492 --> 00:42:56,910
This is the hardest show.
923
00:42:56,952 --> 00:43:00,080
I just so want to be done
with this show.
924
00:43:00,122 --> 00:43:03,208
But as for Dick,
well, the phone rang
for him as well.
925
00:43:03,250 --> 00:43:04,418
I got to go back, though.
926
00:43:04,459 --> 00:43:06,295
Oh, my gosh,
we have to do it all again?
927
00:43:06,335 --> 00:43:08,422
And we have to
get it done in two years.
928
00:43:08,463 --> 00:43:11,341
And as the shine came off,
that record-breaking weekend,
929
00:43:11,383 --> 00:43:13,594
the VFX team were among
the first to line up
930
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at the starting line
for Spider-Man 2.
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[Stokdyk] The quote
John Dykstra gave us was,
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he wanted the best shot
in Spider-Man 1
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to be the worst shot
in Spider-Man 2.
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That direction
set the bar higher than ever.
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Would the team be able
to meet the moment?
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Only time would tell.
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