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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,757 --> 00:00:09,551 Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings... 2 00:00:09,551 --> 00:00:12,554 [Gandalf] There is only one Lord of the Ring... 3 00:00:12,554 --> 00:00:14,973 We were filming three massive films, 4 00:00:14,973 --> 00:00:16,600 all happening at the same time. 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,143 The cinematic saga that conquered Hollywood... 6 00:00:19,143 --> 00:00:21,855 The Oscar goes to The Lord of the Rings. 7 00:00:21,855 --> 00:00:23,398 ...as well as the world. 8 00:00:23,398 --> 00:00:26,026 People lost their minds. 9 00:00:26,026 --> 00:00:29,154 From the battlefields of World War I... 10 00:00:29,154 --> 00:00:31,490 Tolkien did see action in France. 11 00:00:31,490 --> 00:00:33,617 ...to the battle of how to visualize 12 00:00:33,617 --> 00:00:35,284 the sprawling saga. 13 00:00:35,284 --> 00:00:37,037 Retreat to the caves. 14 00:00:37,037 --> 00:00:38,664 It just ends. Boom. 15 00:00:38,664 --> 00:00:40,624 Harvey said, "If you don't wanna do it, 16 00:00:40,624 --> 00:00:42,334 "we'll find another director." 17 00:00:42,334 --> 00:00:44,503 They realized, "We have to rescue this thing". 18 00:00:44,503 --> 00:00:46,255 An incalculable risk. 19 00:00:46,255 --> 00:00:48,590 This hadn't really been done before. 20 00:00:48,590 --> 00:00:51,927 It's the chronicle of the unlikely Kiwis. 21 00:00:51,927 --> 00:00:54,555 And I thought, "There's gotta be another way to do this". 22 00:00:54,555 --> 00:00:56,473 The outsiders... 23 00:00:56,473 --> 00:00:59,726 Jackson was adamant on filming in New Zealand, and they let him. 24 00:00:59,726 --> 00:01:01,645 Half the country worked on those movies. 25 00:01:01,645 --> 00:01:04,106 ...that revolutionized filmmaking. 26 00:01:04,106 --> 00:01:05,732 You know, we all were along for the ride 27 00:01:05,732 --> 00:01:07,276 and holding on for dear life. 28 00:01:07,276 --> 00:01:09,528 An epic story, epic amount of money. 29 00:01:09,528 --> 00:01:11,113 We can't afford to fail. 30 00:01:11,113 --> 00:01:12,906 They'd need to break the rules. 31 00:01:12,906 --> 00:01:14,700 So many lawsuits were filed. 32 00:01:14,700 --> 00:01:16,450 You will be blacklisted forever. 33 00:01:16,450 --> 00:01:18,620 Not to mention, break a few bones. 34 00:01:18,620 --> 00:01:20,289 You know, a lot of people got hurt. 35 00:01:20,289 --> 00:01:21,498 - - Stitches. 36 00:01:21,498 --> 00:01:23,333 [Elijah] Oh, my God. 37 00:01:23,333 --> 00:01:25,502 Teeth came out of my mouth, flew through the air. 38 00:01:25,502 --> 00:01:27,712 And there's Christopher Lee holding his face. 39 00:01:27,712 --> 00:01:29,131 A cast and crew... 40 00:01:29,131 --> 00:01:31,508 - Liv hated horses. - Oh, ow! 41 00:01:31,508 --> 00:01:33,635 There was a Harvey Weinstein orc. 42 00:01:33,635 --> 00:01:35,470 ...pushed to the limit... 43 00:01:35,470 --> 00:01:37,764 - We had people fainting. - I remember him saying, 44 00:01:37,764 --> 00:01:39,433 "This is not why I became an actor". 45 00:01:39,433 --> 00:01:41,435 ...plagued by disaster... 46 00:01:42,186 --> 00:01:43,270 There was flooding. 47 00:01:43,270 --> 00:01:44,479 ...after disaster. 48 00:01:44,479 --> 00:01:46,815 Police came and stopped us from filming. 49 00:01:46,815 --> 00:01:48,525 The fate of the franchise 50 00:01:48,525 --> 00:01:50,652 lay in the hands of an unlikely fellowship. 51 00:01:50,652 --> 00:01:53,363 Fran is a very astute director, writer. 52 00:01:53,363 --> 00:01:55,282 It was the tale of love... 53 00:01:55,282 --> 00:01:57,034 They got romantically involved 54 00:01:57,034 --> 00:01:58,535 and then became creative partners. 55 00:01:58,535 --> 00:02:00,078 ...and heartbreak... 56 00:02:00,078 --> 00:02:02,331 The decision was made to let him go. 57 00:02:02,331 --> 00:02:03,665 ...epic victories... 58 00:02:03,665 --> 00:02:04,499 It was mind-blowing. 59 00:02:05,334 --> 00:02:07,586 $2.9 billion at the box office. 60 00:02:07,586 --> 00:02:09,296 Fantastic. 61 00:02:09,296 --> 00:02:11,965 [Graham] ...and unprecedented failure. 62 00:02:11,965 --> 00:02:15,344 Are you just now working out how to shoot this? 63 00:02:15,344 --> 00:02:17,095 [Graham] It's the story of how 64 00:02:17,095 --> 00:02:19,389 an unassuming filmmaker beat Hollywood... 65 00:02:19,389 --> 00:02:22,851 He will persevere until he's got exactly what he wants. 66 00:02:22,851 --> 00:02:25,395 [Graham] ...without leaving his backyard. 67 00:02:25,395 --> 00:02:28,524 This is the greatest adventure story there's ever been. 68 00:03:04,309 --> 00:03:07,187 [Graham] Amidst the lushest green rolling hills 69 00:03:07,187 --> 00:03:10,315 of a land very much like Middle Earth... 70 00:03:10,315 --> 00:03:13,776 [Bilbo] There's always been a Baggins living here. 71 00:03:13,776 --> 00:03:18,532 [Graham] ...could be found a powerful, wild-bearded, woolly wizard 72 00:03:18,532 --> 00:03:20,742 of incredible power, 73 00:03:20,742 --> 00:03:23,871 full of wisdom and whimsy, and his name? 74 00:03:23,871 --> 00:03:25,956 Gandalf the Grey. 75 00:03:25,956 --> 00:03:27,457 [Graham] Ah, no, no, no. 76 00:03:27,457 --> 00:03:29,668 Who are you? Show yourself. 77 00:03:29,668 --> 00:03:31,211 Gandalf the White. 78 00:03:31,211 --> 00:03:33,130 [Graham] No, no version of Gandalf. 79 00:03:33,130 --> 00:03:35,257 - No? - [Graham] We're talking, 80 00:03:35,257 --> 00:03:37,676 of course, about the New Zealander... 81 00:03:37,676 --> 00:03:40,053 - Peter Jackson. - [Graham] Right. 82 00:03:40,053 --> 00:03:42,556 And it's this wild, woolly New Zealander, 83 00:03:42,556 --> 00:03:44,850 along with his partner, Fran Walsh, 84 00:03:44,850 --> 00:03:46,977 who brought us, arguably, 85 00:03:46,977 --> 00:03:49,897 the greatest literary adaptation 86 00:03:49,897 --> 00:03:51,398 in the history of cinema. 87 00:03:51,398 --> 00:03:53,108 For which I am very thankful. 88 00:03:53,108 --> 00:03:55,444 [Graham] But under this wild, woolly beard 89 00:03:55,444 --> 00:03:57,154 can be found a boy. 90 00:03:57,154 --> 00:03:58,989 You carry the fate of us all, little one. 91 00:03:58,989 --> 00:04:02,534 [Graham] In the 1960s, this little Peter Jackson 92 00:04:02,534 --> 00:04:06,413 wasn't content playing with toys like the other kids. 93 00:04:06,413 --> 00:04:09,041 He's wanted to be a filmmaker ever since he was ten. 94 00:04:09,041 --> 00:04:10,709 Well, I had a little Super 8 Camera 95 00:04:10,709 --> 00:04:12,336 that couldn't shoot sound. 96 00:04:12,336 --> 00:04:14,463 [Graham] There was just one slight problem. 97 00:04:14,463 --> 00:04:17,049 Peter Jackson is one of those guys who's movie-obsessed 98 00:04:17,049 --> 00:04:18,884 from birth, but born in the wrong place, 99 00:04:18,884 --> 00:04:22,012 on the other side of the globe in New Zealand. 100 00:04:22,012 --> 00:04:23,972 The film industry hadn't really taken off. 101 00:04:23,972 --> 00:04:25,474 We only made one or two movies a year. 102 00:04:25,807 --> 00:04:27,059 [Graham] The young Peter 103 00:04:27,059 --> 00:04:28,851 wasn't about to let that stop him. 104 00:04:28,851 --> 00:04:32,147 He got interested in filmmaking about the 1933 King Kong. 105 00:04:32,147 --> 00:04:34,608 The eighth wonder of the world. 106 00:04:34,608 --> 00:04:36,652 It is the movie that made him wanna make movies. 107 00:04:39,446 --> 00:04:42,074 [Graham] But this isn't the story of Peter Jackson. 108 00:04:42,074 --> 00:04:44,910 Well, it is, but, it isn't. 109 00:04:44,910 --> 00:04:48,247 We're here to learn about The Lord of the Rings, 110 00:04:48,247 --> 00:04:50,624 and to do that, we have to return 111 00:04:50,624 --> 00:04:52,125 to where it all began. 112 00:04:52,125 --> 00:04:53,669 [Bilbo] Ah, yes. 113 00:04:53,669 --> 00:04:55,420 [Graham] Not at all Middle Earth 114 00:04:55,420 --> 00:04:57,255 and not New Zealand, 115 00:04:57,255 --> 00:05:00,300 but rather King's Heath, England, 116 00:05:00,300 --> 00:05:04,012 in the very early 1900s, where the would-be author 117 00:05:04,012 --> 00:05:08,016 of these classic novels lived, with his mother and brother. 118 00:05:08,350 --> 00:05:12,354 So, Tolkien was living in this little village in England, 119 00:05:12,354 --> 00:05:14,106 just trees, greenery. 120 00:05:14,106 --> 00:05:16,525 Everything he writes about the Shire is that time 121 00:05:16,525 --> 00:05:18,819 when he was eight or nine or ten years old. 122 00:05:18,819 --> 00:05:21,904 And then, his mother dies and he's a total orphan, 123 00:05:21,904 --> 00:05:23,615 him and his brother. 124 00:05:23,615 --> 00:05:26,326 [Janet] His father, he had died of rheumatic fever. 125 00:05:26,326 --> 00:05:28,495 His mother, she died with diabetes. 126 00:05:28,495 --> 00:05:30,247 [Chris] This good Catholic Father 127 00:05:30,247 --> 00:05:32,499 puts them up in a boarding house. 128 00:05:32,499 --> 00:05:34,793 [Janet] He helped them continue their education. 129 00:05:34,793 --> 00:05:36,295 He was a very kindly man 130 00:05:36,295 --> 00:05:38,338 and he cared very deeply about both of them 131 00:05:38,338 --> 00:05:40,799 and was always looking out for them. 132 00:05:40,799 --> 00:05:43,427 [Graham] Through his teenage years and into adulthood, 133 00:05:43,427 --> 00:05:46,513 Tolkien fell in love with language. 134 00:05:46,763 --> 00:05:49,141 He loved the sound of words, 135 00:05:49,141 --> 00:05:51,976 and the relationship between sound and meaning, 136 00:05:51,976 --> 00:05:53,979 and how these things could influence each other. 137 00:05:53,979 --> 00:05:56,607 [Graham] But he also loved Mother England, 138 00:05:56,607 --> 00:05:59,318 enlisting to fight during World War I. 139 00:05:59,318 --> 00:06:00,986 His battalion was sent to France. 140 00:06:02,779 --> 00:06:05,073 His unit did see action in France. 141 00:06:05,073 --> 00:06:08,202 They were in the trenches at the Battle of the Somme. 142 00:06:08,202 --> 00:06:11,163 [Graham] Yet, amidst the muddy horrors of war, 143 00:06:11,163 --> 00:06:13,123 Tolkien wasn't struck by a bullet, 144 00:06:13,123 --> 00:06:15,626 but by inspiration. 145 00:06:15,626 --> 00:06:17,544 Tolkien came down with trench fever 146 00:06:17,544 --> 00:06:19,129 and was sent to the hospital. 147 00:06:19,129 --> 00:06:21,380 While he was in this period of recovery, 148 00:06:21,380 --> 00:06:24,927 that's when we see him starting to write all these stories 149 00:06:24,927 --> 00:06:26,803 that had been fizzing in his head. 150 00:06:26,803 --> 00:06:29,473 [Corey] That time, from when he was still in the hospital 151 00:06:29,473 --> 00:06:31,350 to when he was recuperating afterwards, 152 00:06:31,350 --> 00:06:33,601 his writings really began to blossom, 153 00:06:33,601 --> 00:06:35,771 and a lot of the things that he would go on to write, 154 00:06:35,771 --> 00:06:38,857 many of them were written during that time. 155 00:06:38,857 --> 00:06:40,901 After the war was over, 156 00:06:40,901 --> 00:06:43,695 he and his small family moved back to Oxford. 157 00:06:43,695 --> 00:06:46,198 [Graham] Yet, even as he continued life 158 00:06:46,198 --> 00:06:48,784 back in the real world of academia... 159 00:06:48,784 --> 00:06:51,620 At Oxford, Tolkien was a very popular lecturer. 160 00:06:51,620 --> 00:06:53,914 [Graham] ...his fever dream persisted. 161 00:06:53,914 --> 00:06:55,541 [Michael] He said he was grading exams. 162 00:06:55,624 --> 00:06:58,043 The candidate had done the kindest thing a candidate 163 00:06:58,043 --> 00:07:01,338 can ever do for an examiner, which is to leave a page blank. 164 00:07:01,338 --> 00:07:03,799 [Graham] And here, on this page... 165 00:07:03,799 --> 00:07:05,092 Blank, glorious. 166 00:07:05,092 --> 00:07:07,845 [Graham] ...J.R.R. Tolkien 167 00:07:07,845 --> 00:07:10,681 penned the most consequential words of his life. 168 00:07:10,681 --> 00:07:12,516 So, I scribbled on it, I can't think why, 169 00:07:12,516 --> 00:07:14,476 "In a hole in the ground there lived a Hobbit". 170 00:07:14,476 --> 00:07:17,729 [Graham] The Hobbit was the tale of Bilbo Baggins, 171 00:07:17,729 --> 00:07:21,149 an unlikely hero thrust into a grand adventure. 172 00:07:21,149 --> 00:07:23,861 So, The Hobbit grew from this light adventure story 173 00:07:23,861 --> 00:07:26,321 that he started telling to his muse's children, 174 00:07:26,321 --> 00:07:27,906 to include deeper matters 175 00:07:27,906 --> 00:07:30,158 and traces of his growing mythology. 176 00:07:30,158 --> 00:07:32,077 [Corey] He wrote The Hobbitover the course 177 00:07:32,077 --> 00:07:33,620 of something like three years. 178 00:07:33,620 --> 00:07:35,789 And he has a friend that's a publisher. 179 00:07:35,789 --> 00:07:38,625 He sends it to him and they have their son look at it, 180 00:07:38,625 --> 00:07:40,210 and their son can't put it down. 181 00:07:40,210 --> 00:07:42,379 [Graham] The question was, of course, 182 00:07:42,379 --> 00:07:44,423 would the general public pick it up? 183 00:07:44,423 --> 00:07:48,552 On its release in 1937, that question was answered. 184 00:07:48,552 --> 00:07:51,096 The first printing sold out by Christmas. 185 00:07:51,096 --> 00:07:54,349 This is the greatest adventure story there's ever been. 186 00:07:54,349 --> 00:07:56,852 There are so many creatures, and there's dragons 187 00:07:56,852 --> 00:08:00,397 and there's hobbits and there's spiders. 188 00:08:00,397 --> 00:08:02,149 So with the success of the Hobbit, 189 00:08:02,149 --> 00:08:04,693 the publisher says, "People want more". 190 00:08:04,693 --> 00:08:06,570 [Corey] The Hobbit thing is a winner. 191 00:08:06,570 --> 00:08:08,822 Write us some more fun hobbit stories. 192 00:08:08,822 --> 00:08:10,699 If you can keep churning these puppies out, 193 00:08:10,699 --> 00:08:12,951 we can keep selling them and this is gonna be fantastic. 194 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,412 [Graham] And so, riding a groundswell 195 00:08:15,412 --> 00:08:17,164 of hobbit enthusiasm, 196 00:08:17,164 --> 00:08:19,750 Tolkien got straight to work on the sequel. 197 00:08:19,750 --> 00:08:21,919 [Janet] He started working on The Lord of the Rings, 198 00:08:22,044 --> 00:08:24,087 and it would take him 17 years. 199 00:08:24,087 --> 00:08:25,964 [Graham] Ah, well, he did have 200 00:08:25,964 --> 00:08:27,925 an entire world to immerse you in. 201 00:08:27,925 --> 00:08:30,761 [Elrond] Middle Earth stands upon the brink of destruction. 202 00:08:30,761 --> 00:08:32,554 [Graham] And for Tolkien, 203 00:08:32,554 --> 00:08:34,932 it was all about the little things. 204 00:08:34,932 --> 00:08:37,643 [Bilbo] Concerning hobbits. 205 00:08:37,643 --> 00:08:40,354 [Janet] He'd get lost in these arcane questions 206 00:08:40,354 --> 00:08:42,314 about very minor points. 207 00:08:42,314 --> 00:08:45,192 How long an elvish pregnancy lasts? 208 00:08:45,192 --> 00:08:50,614 Tolkien would spend two pages describing a forest or a meadow. 209 00:08:50,614 --> 00:08:54,034 Or, what other races besides hobbits ate mushrooms? 210 00:08:54,034 --> 00:08:55,744 Mushrooms! 211 00:08:55,744 --> 00:08:58,872 [Graham] Tolkien's expansive, granular world 212 00:08:58,872 --> 00:09:00,749 was the perfect palette 213 00:09:00,749 --> 00:09:02,918 for this new tale of Middle Earth, 214 00:09:02,918 --> 00:09:04,670 a tale that follows young... 215 00:09:04,670 --> 00:09:06,588 - Frodo Baggins.-...on an epic quest. 216 00:09:06,588 --> 00:09:08,756 By the way, his name wasn't Frodo, yet. 217 00:09:08,756 --> 00:09:11,927 The original name of Bilbo's heir was Bingo Baggins. 218 00:09:13,761 --> 00:09:16,265 For really a quite distressing length of time. 219 00:09:16,265 --> 00:09:18,183 [Graham] That name certainly 220 00:09:18,183 --> 00:09:19,852 would have played very differently. 221 00:09:19,852 --> 00:09:22,521 - Welcome to Rivendell... - [Corey] Bingo Baggins. 222 00:09:22,521 --> 00:09:24,189 [Graham] But in the end... 223 00:09:24,189 --> 00:09:26,775 - [Bilbo] Frodo. - [Graham] ...was his name-o. 224 00:09:26,775 --> 00:09:29,820 Tolkien finally decided to change his name to Frodo. 225 00:09:29,820 --> 00:09:33,657 [Graham] And after 18 years, one very large novel 226 00:09:33,657 --> 00:09:36,201 called The Lord of the Rings, was complete. 227 00:09:36,201 --> 00:09:37,369 [Michael] It was so long. 228 00:09:37,369 --> 00:09:38,745 It's in this postwar period 229 00:09:38,745 --> 00:09:40,122 when there's paper shortages 230 00:09:40,122 --> 00:09:41,874 and a really high cost of paper, 231 00:09:41,874 --> 00:09:44,208 and the British economy is in bad shape. 232 00:09:44,208 --> 00:09:46,920 And the publisher agreed to publish it, 233 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,548 but, they say, "We're gonna publish it as three books. 234 00:09:49,548 --> 00:09:52,009 "We cannot publish as one giant book the way you want, 235 00:09:52,009 --> 00:09:54,970 "and we can't pay you in advance for something 236 00:09:54,970 --> 00:09:56,804 "that we think we might lose money on. 237 00:09:56,804 --> 00:09:59,558 "In exchange, if there ever are any royalties, 238 00:09:59,558 --> 00:10:02,727 "you'll get 20% rather than the normal 10%." 239 00:10:02,727 --> 00:10:06,106 I think we might have made a mistake. 240 00:10:06,106 --> 00:10:08,317 Turned out to be the worst contract 241 00:10:08,317 --> 00:10:11,195 that any publisher has ever signed anywhere, 242 00:10:11,195 --> 00:10:13,197 but how could they possibly know it would sell 243 00:10:13,197 --> 00:10:15,032 hundreds of millions of copies? 244 00:10:15,032 --> 00:10:17,576 [Graham] But that success didn't come overnight, 245 00:10:17,576 --> 00:10:20,746 as Tolkien had yet to find an audience in the States. 246 00:10:20,746 --> 00:10:23,081 American sales were kind of stagnant 247 00:10:23,081 --> 00:10:24,917 until the publishing company, Ace, 248 00:10:24,917 --> 00:10:26,919 took advantage of a legal loophole 249 00:10:26,919 --> 00:10:29,213 and published a cheap paperback edition 250 00:10:29,213 --> 00:10:31,089 without Tolkien's permission. 251 00:10:31,089 --> 00:10:33,217 [Victoria] The books were public domain the US, 252 00:10:33,217 --> 00:10:35,552 so they're like, we're gonna be fine. 253 00:10:35,552 --> 00:10:37,929 [Graham] The publication was controversial. 254 00:10:37,929 --> 00:10:41,099 And then, with that controversy, people started reading it. 255 00:10:41,099 --> 00:10:46,021 [Corey] The books gained this entire new second wave of life 256 00:10:46,021 --> 00:10:48,524 and became a cult classic 257 00:10:48,524 --> 00:10:50,442 in ways that it had never been before. 258 00:10:50,442 --> 00:10:53,529 [Graham] The problem was, that if Tolkien didn't own 259 00:10:53,529 --> 00:10:55,655 the rights to his novels in the US, 260 00:10:55,655 --> 00:10:57,741 did that also mean his life's work was 261 00:10:57,741 --> 00:10:59,952 fair game for Hollywood to plunder as well? 262 00:10:59,952 --> 00:11:01,787 I don't want to be in a battle. 263 00:11:01,787 --> 00:11:03,497 Only time would tell. 264 00:11:06,667 --> 00:11:08,544 [Graham] The unauthorized publishing 265 00:11:08,544 --> 00:11:11,255 of the Lord of the Ringstrilogy in the United States 266 00:11:11,255 --> 00:11:14,591 left Tolkien wary of his ability to control 267 00:11:14,591 --> 00:11:16,552 the rights to his own creation. 268 00:11:16,552 --> 00:11:18,679 However, it wasn't all bad news. 269 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,348 Those inexpensive paperbacks were the basis 270 00:11:21,348 --> 00:11:24,601 for that campus craze in the late 1960s. 271 00:11:24,601 --> 00:11:26,395 College students everywhere were just, 272 00:11:26,395 --> 00:11:28,021 you know, madly in love with this. 273 00:11:28,021 --> 00:11:30,982 We'd see buttons and graffiti, "Frodo Lives", 274 00:11:30,982 --> 00:11:32,568 "Gandalf for President". 275 00:11:32,568 --> 00:11:34,236 [Graham] Tolkien now found himself 276 00:11:34,236 --> 00:11:35,904 a celebrity of sorts. 277 00:11:35,904 --> 00:11:38,030 And I think it took him a bit by surprise. 278 00:11:38,198 --> 00:11:42,494 This aging, old-fashioned, conservative, 279 00:11:42,494 --> 00:11:46,707 Catholic Oxford don had people calling him 280 00:11:46,707 --> 00:11:48,250 at three o'clock in the morning. 281 00:11:48,250 --> 00:11:50,210 He was puzzled and bemused 282 00:11:50,210 --> 00:11:53,172 by the kind of popularity that he achieved. 283 00:11:53,172 --> 00:11:55,966 [Graham] But it wasn't just kids in college. 284 00:11:55,966 --> 00:11:59,803 Tolkien had captured the hearts of the most unlikely audience. 285 00:11:59,803 --> 00:12:04,391 American hippies, and with whom he had very little in common. 286 00:12:05,976 --> 00:12:07,394 ♪ In the middle of the earth 287 00:12:07,394 --> 00:12:08,770 ♪ In the land of the Shire 288 00:12:08,770 --> 00:12:10,397 ♪ Lives a brave little hobbit 289 00:12:10,397 --> 00:12:11,607 ♪ Whom we all admire ♪ 290 00:12:11,607 --> 00:12:12,816 [Graham] That's right. 291 00:12:12,816 --> 00:12:14,359 At 73 years old, 292 00:12:14,359 --> 00:12:16,111 Tolkien had officially become 293 00:12:16,111 --> 00:12:18,155 an icon of the counterculture. 294 00:12:18,155 --> 00:12:22,075 It was back to nature, it was, you know, tree hugging, 295 00:12:22,075 --> 00:12:24,660 anti-materialistic the hippie culture. 296 00:12:24,660 --> 00:12:27,122 The finest weed in the Southfarthing. 297 00:12:27,122 --> 00:12:29,791 [Chris] Hobbiton, it was that kind of world. 298 00:12:30,042 --> 00:12:31,835 And a lot of hippies were rock musicians. 299 00:12:31,835 --> 00:12:34,046 [Graham] You could hear Tolkien's influence 300 00:12:34,046 --> 00:12:36,965 on hit artists like Black Sabbath... 301 00:12:36,965 --> 00:12:38,342 ♪ A wizard walks by 302 00:12:39,384 --> 00:12:40,886 ♪ Casting his shadow ♪ 303 00:12:40,886 --> 00:12:42,804 [Graham] ...and Led Zeppelin. 304 00:12:42,804 --> 00:12:46,433 ♪ In the darkest depths Of Mordor ♪ 305 00:12:46,433 --> 00:12:50,020 [David] When Led Zeppelin released a song that references 306 00:12:50,020 --> 00:12:51,897 Lord of the Rings,everybody went, 307 00:12:51,897 --> 00:12:53,357 "Ooh, they're Tolkien fans". 308 00:12:53,357 --> 00:12:55,234 [Graham] But beyond rock stars, 309 00:12:55,234 --> 00:12:58,529 Lord of the Rings spoke to the fears of a generation. 310 00:12:58,529 --> 00:13:01,573 [David] That generation converged on Washington, D.C. 311 00:13:01,573 --> 00:13:04,660 to demonstrate their opposition to the Vietnam War. 312 00:13:04,660 --> 00:13:07,162 [Corey] Americans who shared the anti-war sentiment 313 00:13:07,162 --> 00:13:09,122 found that sentiment to resonate 314 00:13:09,122 --> 00:13:10,249 with things in The Lord of the Rings. 315 00:13:10,249 --> 00:13:12,333 [Graham] It's quite possible, 316 00:13:12,333 --> 00:13:14,920 without the flower-powered fans of the '60s, 317 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,715 Tolkien's works may have slipped into obscurity. 318 00:13:18,715 --> 00:13:21,468 The universal appeal of the Lord of the Rings 319 00:13:21,468 --> 00:13:23,511 spread beyond the hippies eventually. 320 00:13:23,511 --> 00:13:25,347 The publication of the Lord of the Rings 321 00:13:25,347 --> 00:13:28,475 made fantasy go mainstream for adults 322 00:13:28,475 --> 00:13:30,561 in ways that it never had before. 323 00:13:30,561 --> 00:13:34,273 [Graham] And so it was that talk began of Tolkien's words 324 00:13:34,273 --> 00:13:37,818 leaping off the page and onto the silver screen. 325 00:13:37,818 --> 00:13:40,821 However, J.R.R. was initially reluctant 326 00:13:40,821 --> 00:13:42,489 to enter that conversation. 327 00:13:42,489 --> 00:13:44,658 He doesn't think that it's gonna work 328 00:13:44,658 --> 00:13:48,328 when you have to follow the Hollywood tropes. 329 00:13:48,412 --> 00:13:50,539 And not just make it into 330 00:13:50,539 --> 00:13:52,791 some kind of vehicle for something else. 331 00:13:52,791 --> 00:13:54,668 [Graham] You mean, like a vehicle 332 00:13:54,668 --> 00:13:56,503 for a globally popular pop band? 333 00:13:56,503 --> 00:14:01,175 [Andrew] The Beatles were two films into a three film deal 334 00:14:01,216 --> 00:14:04,011 with United Artists, and they were looking for 335 00:14:04,011 --> 00:14:07,556 the third film to complete that deal. 336 00:14:07,556 --> 00:14:10,058 All four of the Beatles had read the books. 337 00:14:10,058 --> 00:14:12,436 Apparently, John Lennon was the one 338 00:14:12,436 --> 00:14:15,314 who was really spearheading the idea. 339 00:14:15,314 --> 00:14:17,607 John Lennon would be Gollum. 340 00:14:17,607 --> 00:14:21,904 [Gollum] My precious. 341 00:14:21,904 --> 00:14:23,864 [Michael] Paul McCartney would be Frodo. 342 00:14:23,864 --> 00:14:25,532 - Gandalf. - Yes. 343 00:14:25,532 --> 00:14:27,993 George Harrison would be Gandalf. 344 00:14:27,993 --> 00:14:30,329 [Gandalf] I've thought of a better use for you. 345 00:14:30,329 --> 00:14:32,206 [Michael] And Ringo Starr would be Sam. 346 00:14:32,206 --> 00:14:34,249 [Gandalf] Come along, Samwise, keep up. 347 00:14:34,249 --> 00:14:37,044 It is a wild scenario to imagine. 348 00:14:37,044 --> 00:14:41,757 Their first choice to direct was actually Stanley Kubrick. 349 00:14:41,757 --> 00:14:45,052 They actually showed up on Stanley Kubrick's doorstep, 350 00:14:45,052 --> 00:14:46,428 the four Beatles. 351 00:14:46,428 --> 00:14:48,388 Kubrick actually invited them in. 352 00:14:48,388 --> 00:14:50,557 They pitched it, and at the end of the day, 353 00:14:50,557 --> 00:14:52,142 Kubrick turned it down. 354 00:14:52,142 --> 00:14:54,102 [Corey] Stanley Kubrick thought that 355 00:14:54,102 --> 00:14:57,606 adapting The Lord of the Rings well on film was impossible. 356 00:14:57,606 --> 00:14:59,441 [Graham] And on this matter, 357 00:14:59,441 --> 00:15:02,110 Tolkien and Kubrick saw eye to eye. 358 00:15:02,110 --> 00:15:05,155 Tolkien said, "If you have to suspend disbelief 359 00:15:05,155 --> 00:15:08,200 "while watching a film, then the art has failed". 360 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:09,868 I think it's very likely 361 00:15:09,868 --> 00:15:11,620 it would have been a complete disaster. 362 00:15:11,620 --> 00:15:13,789 [Graham] Nevertheless, in the years ahead, 363 00:15:13,789 --> 00:15:16,542 Hollywood's hunger for the ring only grew... 364 00:15:16,542 --> 00:15:18,627 My precious. 365 00:15:18,627 --> 00:15:23,131 [Graham] ...while its author only grew older, and in 1969, 366 00:15:23,131 --> 00:15:26,635 John Ronald Tolkien would concede to the modern world, 367 00:15:26,635 --> 00:15:29,054 and Hollywood got its way. 368 00:15:29,054 --> 00:15:31,014 [Andrew] United Artists acquired the rights 369 00:15:31,014 --> 00:15:33,225 from the Tolkien estates directly. 370 00:15:33,225 --> 00:15:35,185 He did, in fact, sell the film rights, 371 00:15:35,185 --> 00:15:37,563 partly because he needed the money to pay the taxes 372 00:15:37,563 --> 00:15:39,606 from the unexpected income from all the books. 373 00:15:39,606 --> 00:15:42,276 [Graham] United Artists had the rights. 374 00:15:42,609 --> 00:15:44,862 So, there is a script from John Boorman. 375 00:15:44,862 --> 00:15:48,448 [Graham] John Boorman was a director on the rise. 376 00:15:48,448 --> 00:15:52,327 John Boorman, he wanted to do Lord of the Rings. 377 00:15:52,327 --> 00:15:54,663 [Chris] So, John, he had a version... 378 00:15:54,663 --> 00:15:57,124 [Janet] His script is really wild. 379 00:15:57,124 --> 00:16:01,170 He takes that story and goes off into the strangest directions. 380 00:16:01,170 --> 00:16:05,174 He had a 700-page, three-hour script. 381 00:16:05,174 --> 00:16:07,843 There was a lot of sex. 382 00:16:07,843 --> 00:16:10,888 ...and went for almost a rock and roll 383 00:16:10,888 --> 00:16:12,973 Lord of the Rings adaptation. 384 00:16:12,973 --> 00:16:15,767 He's got this whole sequence of the Counsel of Elrond... 385 00:16:15,767 --> 00:16:19,771 You've been summoned here to answer the threat of Mordor. 386 00:16:19,771 --> 00:16:24,067 ...but it's like this kabuki play and Cirque du Soleil, 387 00:16:24,067 --> 00:16:27,237 and it's just nothing at all like it's described in the book. 388 00:16:27,237 --> 00:16:28,947 It would not have been Tolkien at all. 389 00:16:28,947 --> 00:16:31,074 After the screenplay was put together, 390 00:16:31,074 --> 00:16:33,911 United Artists essentially rejected it. 391 00:16:33,911 --> 00:16:35,954 We had a lot of money in it. 392 00:16:35,954 --> 00:16:39,917 I didn't think the book could be adaptable, even with John. 393 00:16:39,917 --> 00:16:41,627 Part of it had to do with, you know, 394 00:16:41,627 --> 00:16:43,712 the amount of effects that you would have needed. 395 00:16:43,712 --> 00:16:45,714 I don't know how the film would have turned out 396 00:16:45,714 --> 00:16:47,174 'cause John never got to do it. 397 00:16:47,174 --> 00:16:49,551 [Graham] Boorman's unique adaptation 398 00:16:49,551 --> 00:16:51,428 had the unfortunate distinction 399 00:16:51,428 --> 00:16:54,181 of being the last that Tolkien would see. 400 00:16:55,057 --> 00:16:57,684 [Corey] Tolkien died in 1973. 401 00:16:57,684 --> 00:16:58,852 [Graham] Lord of the Rings 402 00:16:58,852 --> 00:17:00,854 would be back to the drawing board. 403 00:17:00,854 --> 00:17:03,732 The one ring to rule them all. 404 00:17:03,732 --> 00:17:05,859 [Graham] In this case, the animation drawing board. 405 00:17:09,112 --> 00:17:11,323 [Graham] At the time of Tolkien's passing, 406 00:17:11,323 --> 00:17:13,157 when you thought of animation... 407 00:17:13,157 --> 00:17:18,330 Magic mirror on the wall, who is the fairest one of all? 408 00:17:18,330 --> 00:17:21,416 [Graham] ...one name came to mind. 409 00:17:21,416 --> 00:17:23,836 However, there was another animator 410 00:17:23,836 --> 00:17:25,087 making a name for himself. 411 00:17:25,087 --> 00:17:26,463 Oh, yeah. 412 00:17:26,755 --> 00:17:28,840 Ralph Bakshi was anti... 413 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,676 ...you know, he was the opposite of Disney. 414 00:17:30,676 --> 00:17:32,678 He was doing x-rated cartoons. 415 00:17:32,678 --> 00:17:35,180 [Graham] Bakshi believed animation could be 416 00:17:35,180 --> 00:17:36,640 just as popular with adults. 417 00:17:36,807 --> 00:17:38,976 He had first doneFritz the Cat. 418 00:17:38,976 --> 00:17:41,144 Fritz had his own private little orgy. 419 00:17:41,144 --> 00:17:42,938 [Graham] Based off Robert Crumb's 420 00:17:42,938 --> 00:17:44,022 infamous comic strip. 421 00:17:44,022 --> 00:17:46,066 Lovely set of eyes there. 422 00:17:46,066 --> 00:17:48,819 [Graham] Turns out not only was there an audience 423 00:17:48,819 --> 00:17:52,865 for a sexually explicit cartoon cat, it was huge. 424 00:17:53,282 --> 00:17:55,993 [Victoria] Fritz the Cat became 425 00:17:55,993 --> 00:18:01,123 the most successful animated independent feature of all time. 426 00:18:01,123 --> 00:18:03,417 [Graham] After a string of gross-out films, 427 00:18:03,417 --> 00:18:07,337 Bakshi would move on to something truly shocking. 428 00:18:07,337 --> 00:18:10,965 [Andrew] Ralph Bakshi was a ardent Tolkien fan. 429 00:18:10,965 --> 00:18:12,509 The time has come. 430 00:18:12,509 --> 00:18:15,429 Bakshi said, "I've seen what John Boorman did. 431 00:18:15,429 --> 00:18:17,431 "It's not good. I'm gonna try it." 432 00:18:17,431 --> 00:18:20,517 [Graham] There was just one slight problem, 433 00:18:20,517 --> 00:18:24,980 he didn't have the rights, or the money to buy them. 434 00:18:24,980 --> 00:18:27,191 [Victoria] So Bakshi contacts Saul Zaentz. 435 00:18:27,191 --> 00:18:29,734 [Graham] The man who had partially financed the film, 436 00:18:29,734 --> 00:18:31,278 Fritz the Cat. 437 00:18:31,278 --> 00:18:33,739 [Chris] Saul Zaentz, he had a lot of money 438 00:18:33,739 --> 00:18:35,574 and was willing to take chances. 439 00:18:35,907 --> 00:18:37,784 [Mike] Ralph Bakshi, his pitch was, 440 00:18:37,784 --> 00:18:40,078 "As an animated movie, it'll be much better". 441 00:18:40,078 --> 00:18:41,788 Where is the ring, Gandalf? 442 00:18:41,788 --> 00:18:43,790 You know, if you try to do it straight 443 00:18:43,790 --> 00:18:46,667 you can't realize the full value of the property. 444 00:18:46,667 --> 00:18:50,547 [Graham] Full value that thus far had cost United Artists 445 00:18:50,547 --> 00:18:53,383 nearly $3 million in development. 446 00:18:53,383 --> 00:18:57,095 [Janet] It's like this kabuki play and Cirque du Soleil. 447 00:18:57,095 --> 00:18:59,765 [Graham] So, with nothing much to show for their investment, 448 00:18:59,765 --> 00:19:02,351 when Saul Zaentz came knocking, 449 00:19:02,351 --> 00:19:05,311 United Artists were more than happy to listen. 450 00:19:05,311 --> 00:19:09,608 Saul Zaentz sort of took over Tolkien from United Artists. 451 00:19:09,608 --> 00:19:12,194 [Mike] Made a lot of sense for us at that point. 452 00:19:12,194 --> 00:19:13,445 We had a lot of money in it. 453 00:19:13,445 --> 00:19:15,989 You know, it was $3 million, and I figured, 454 00:19:15,989 --> 00:19:18,784 "Hey, let's take the $3 million that's owed to us 455 00:19:18,784 --> 00:19:23,247 "and release this version of the film". 456 00:19:23,247 --> 00:19:26,875 [Andrew] They gave everything but the distribution rights 457 00:19:26,875 --> 00:19:28,752 over to Saul Zaentz. 458 00:19:28,752 --> 00:19:31,839 [Graham] It was a savvy move by UA, 459 00:19:31,839 --> 00:19:35,092 but Bakshi and Zaentz would need to deliver, 460 00:19:35,092 --> 00:19:37,511 and their first hurdle, delivering the script. 461 00:19:37,511 --> 00:19:40,055 I was a screenwriter on the film,Lord of the Rings. 462 00:19:40,055 --> 00:19:42,349 What does the ring bearer say? 463 00:19:42,349 --> 00:19:46,979 My sister had been after me for a couple of years, 464 00:19:46,979 --> 00:19:49,398 "You gotta read these books, you gotta read these books", 465 00:19:49,398 --> 00:19:51,900 and I finally started reading them, 466 00:19:51,900 --> 00:19:54,027 and, of course, was completely hooked. 467 00:19:54,027 --> 00:19:56,864 I remember one vacation, I was driving, 468 00:19:56,864 --> 00:19:59,074 and I had the books on the steering wheel. 469 00:19:59,074 --> 00:20:01,285 Don't do this at home, kids. 470 00:20:01,285 --> 00:20:03,453 And I would look up, no cars coming, 471 00:20:03,453 --> 00:20:05,747 I'd read a paragraph, then I'd look up again. 472 00:20:05,747 --> 00:20:07,583 I literally couldn't put the books down. 473 00:20:07,583 --> 00:20:09,459 I'd done a little screenwriting 474 00:20:09,459 --> 00:20:13,463 of some high school documentary films after college. 475 00:20:13,463 --> 00:20:16,008 I read in one of the trades that 476 00:20:16,008 --> 00:20:18,969 Ralph Bakshi was considering doing it, and so I said, 477 00:20:18,969 --> 00:20:21,138 "I've gotta go for this somehow", 478 00:20:21,138 --> 00:20:24,141 and found somebody to write a note to. 479 00:20:24,141 --> 00:20:26,894 Somehow, that note got to Ralph Bakshi. 480 00:20:26,894 --> 00:20:29,813 He gave me an assignment to do research, 481 00:20:29,813 --> 00:20:31,148 and he had a writer. 482 00:20:31,148 --> 00:20:32,816 He had an English writer signed up. 483 00:20:32,816 --> 00:20:35,027 Something happened with the writer in England. 484 00:20:35,027 --> 00:20:37,237 Either he was busy or too much money, whatever it was. 485 00:20:37,237 --> 00:20:38,946 So he said, "Here's your shot. 486 00:20:38,946 --> 00:20:41,491 "I'll let you write it, and we'll see how you do. 487 00:20:41,491 --> 00:20:43,243 "You got one shot". 488 00:20:43,243 --> 00:20:46,788 Bakshi early on told me, "Let's get one thing straight. 489 00:20:46,788 --> 00:20:50,292 "You're the screenwriter, Tolkien is the genius. 490 00:20:50,292 --> 00:20:51,627 "Here's the three books. 491 00:20:51,627 --> 00:20:53,712 "That's your bible. Stick to that". 492 00:20:53,712 --> 00:20:57,883 [Graham] Chris soon learned the scope of Bakshi's vision. 493 00:20:57,883 --> 00:21:01,678 Ralph Bakshi first said to me, "We're going to do three films", 494 00:21:01,678 --> 00:21:04,056 but I didn't think a middle film would work. 495 00:21:04,056 --> 00:21:05,766 But why ruin it? 496 00:21:05,766 --> 00:21:08,519 The middle film doesn't have a beginning or ending. 497 00:21:08,519 --> 00:21:10,811 So, I said, "Let's do two films". 498 00:21:10,811 --> 00:21:14,525 - The decision lies with you. - And he agreed. 499 00:21:14,525 --> 00:21:17,194 [Graham] It was a decision that would go down in infamy, 500 00:21:17,194 --> 00:21:19,279 but more on that in a bit. 501 00:21:19,279 --> 00:21:21,240 I think I did five different scripts. 502 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,825 Big scripts, smaller scripts, medium-sized scripts, 503 00:21:23,825 --> 00:21:25,410 different points of view. 504 00:21:25,410 --> 00:21:27,329 It was sort of gut 505 00:21:27,329 --> 00:21:30,749 and sort of trial and error between me and Ralph. 506 00:21:30,749 --> 00:21:33,335 [Graham] And with this script came the realization 507 00:21:33,335 --> 00:21:35,546 that what many thought was impossible, 508 00:21:35,546 --> 00:21:37,840 was actually going to happen. 509 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,926 The war of the ring has begun, Frodo. 510 00:21:40,926 --> 00:21:43,929 The thing was that it was not just an ordinary project. 511 00:21:43,929 --> 00:21:46,557 It had been shot all in live action. 512 00:21:46,557 --> 00:21:48,809 We had to do a rotoscope. 513 00:21:48,809 --> 00:21:50,018 We kept the live action, 514 00:21:50,018 --> 00:21:51,436 made photographs out of them 515 00:21:51,436 --> 00:21:53,021 and you go over the photographs. 516 00:21:53,021 --> 00:21:54,773 I worked mostly on Gandalf. 517 00:21:54,773 --> 00:21:57,693 He did it for the impact. 518 00:21:57,693 --> 00:22:00,737 [Graham] At a time when computer-generated effects 519 00:22:00,737 --> 00:22:02,823 were still years away, 520 00:22:02,823 --> 00:22:05,784 rotoscoping was the closest solution to opening up 521 00:22:05,784 --> 00:22:08,579 Lord of the Rings'potential on screen. 522 00:22:08,579 --> 00:22:13,542 It would bring certain things out in animation that probably 523 00:22:13,542 --> 00:22:15,961 is impossible to do with special effects. 524 00:22:15,961 --> 00:22:18,130 It was very powerful. 525 00:22:18,130 --> 00:22:20,924 It was something artistic, something special. 526 00:22:20,924 --> 00:22:22,342 [Graham] But how special? 527 00:22:22,342 --> 00:22:24,720 When The Lord of the Rings premiered 528 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,888 on November 15th 1978... 529 00:22:26,888 --> 00:22:29,183 [Chris] People were lined up around the blocks. 530 00:22:29,183 --> 00:22:31,310 They were so excited to see it... 531 00:22:32,978 --> 00:22:34,188 ...at first. 532 00:22:34,188 --> 00:22:37,107 You cannot pass. 533 00:22:37,107 --> 00:22:38,609 The end result at times 534 00:22:38,609 --> 00:22:40,694 was absolutely beautiful and brilliant. 535 00:22:41,778 --> 00:22:43,321 And other times... 536 00:22:45,324 --> 00:22:48,076 - ...it looked a little odd. - 537 00:22:48,535 --> 00:22:51,914 - Significantly odd. - What's going on here? 538 00:22:51,914 --> 00:22:54,583 [Graham] One of the biggest criticisms was the decision 539 00:22:54,583 --> 00:22:56,792 to only produce a book and a half. 540 00:22:56,792 --> 00:22:58,212 It just ends. Boom. 541 00:22:58,212 --> 00:23:00,380 - They're coming! - 542 00:23:00,380 --> 00:23:02,257 It's right in the middle of the battle. 543 00:23:02,257 --> 00:23:04,384 So, too, ends the first great tale 544 00:23:04,384 --> 00:23:07,137 of the Lord of the Rings. 545 00:23:07,137 --> 00:23:09,681 Suddenly, here ends part one of the Lord of the Rings. 546 00:23:12,059 --> 00:23:15,103 For fans, it was incredibly frustrating. 547 00:23:15,103 --> 00:23:18,148 [Graham] However, not all fans were disappointed. 548 00:23:18,148 --> 00:23:21,109 In fact, for one young man in particular, 549 00:23:21,109 --> 00:23:22,277 Peter Jackson... 550 00:23:22,277 --> 00:23:24,404 A new power is rising. 551 00:23:24,404 --> 00:23:26,031 [Graham] ...it was the first step 552 00:23:26,031 --> 00:23:27,950 in an unexpected journey 553 00:23:27,950 --> 00:23:29,785 that would impact not only his fate... 554 00:23:29,785 --> 00:23:32,246 [Saruman] Embrace the power of the ring. 555 00:23:32,246 --> 00:23:35,082 [Graham] ...but, in fact, the future of all cinema. 556 00:23:35,082 --> 00:23:37,501 Peter Jackson, the first time 557 00:23:37,501 --> 00:23:39,837 he confronted Tolkien was in our movie. 558 00:23:39,837 --> 00:23:41,463 Greetings, Frodo. 559 00:23:41,463 --> 00:23:43,173 [Andrew] Peter Jackson liked it 560 00:23:43,173 --> 00:23:45,717 and then went and bought the book. 561 00:23:45,717 --> 00:23:47,970 [Graham] Bakshi's Lord of the Rings 562 00:23:47,970 --> 00:23:50,263 was undeniably an inspiration 563 00:23:50,263 --> 00:23:52,099 to Peter Jackson, but, ironically, 564 00:23:52,099 --> 00:23:54,268 it was Bakshi's earlier work 565 00:23:54,268 --> 00:23:58,230 that more reflected the tone of this fledgling filmmaker, 566 00:23:58,230 --> 00:24:02,234 because Peter Jackson's work was, well, quite shocking. 567 00:24:04,695 --> 00:24:06,946 - Bad Taste. - Kill them. 568 00:24:09,282 --> 00:24:11,869 Dead Alive or Braindead, depending on where you saw it... 569 00:24:14,246 --> 00:24:15,414 ...or Meet the Feebles. 570 00:24:15,414 --> 00:24:17,207 ♪ Meet The Feebles 571 00:24:17,207 --> 00:24:18,709 ♪ Meet The Feebles ♪ 572 00:24:18,750 --> 00:24:20,669 He grew up doing everything himself. 573 00:24:21,879 --> 00:24:23,714 He was in it. 574 00:24:23,714 --> 00:24:26,300 He ran the camera. He recorded sound. 575 00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:29,595 He's incredibly good at getting what's in his head onto screen. 576 00:24:29,595 --> 00:24:31,180 - - 577 00:24:31,180 --> 00:24:33,265 These movies feel like they were put together 578 00:24:33,265 --> 00:24:34,892 in someone's garage... 579 00:24:34,892 --> 00:24:36,226 [Peter] ...with a Steadicam. 580 00:24:36,226 --> 00:24:37,853 Normally, if you buy a proper one, 581 00:24:37,853 --> 00:24:39,146 they're about 40 or 50 grand, 582 00:24:39,146 --> 00:24:40,856 but this one cost, like, 20 bucks. 583 00:24:40,856 --> 00:24:42,273 ...with Scotch tape. 584 00:24:42,273 --> 00:24:45,319 It's really held together by glue. 585 00:24:45,319 --> 00:24:46,653 [Drew] They're crazy. 586 00:24:46,653 --> 00:24:48,405 Put the gun down. 587 00:24:49,406 --> 00:24:51,282 They're hyper-gory. 588 00:24:51,282 --> 00:24:53,785 It wasn't until I worked on Braindead that I realized 589 00:24:53,785 --> 00:24:57,998 just what a genius he is at shooting practical effects. 590 00:24:57,998 --> 00:25:02,294 His knowledge of so many things is just amazing. 591 00:25:02,294 --> 00:25:05,339 [Graham] But Peter Jackson's knowledge of horrendous gore 592 00:25:05,339 --> 00:25:07,965 wouldn't come close to preparing him 593 00:25:07,965 --> 00:25:10,010 for the horror that awaited him. 594 00:25:13,096 --> 00:25:15,432 [Graham] As Peter Jackson left a trail 595 00:25:15,432 --> 00:25:17,434 of fake blood in his wake, 596 00:25:17,434 --> 00:25:20,686 one of the most consequential projects he undertook 597 00:25:20,686 --> 00:25:22,564 was providing special effects 598 00:25:22,564 --> 00:25:25,651 for the beloved British scarecrow spin-off, 599 00:25:25,651 --> 00:25:28,529 Worzel Gummidge Down Under. 600 00:25:28,946 --> 00:25:32,449 The very first time I met Peter, I was a camera operator 601 00:25:32,449 --> 00:25:35,244 on Worzel Gummidge,filming Down Under. 602 00:25:35,244 --> 00:25:36,787 [Graham] For the uninitiated... 603 00:25:36,787 --> 00:25:39,205 [Victoria] Worzel Gummidge Down Under 604 00:25:39,205 --> 00:25:41,291 was a TV show centered around a scarecrow. 605 00:25:41,416 --> 00:25:43,585 [Graham] While some go to film school 606 00:25:43,585 --> 00:25:45,462 to meet lifelong collaborators, 607 00:25:45,462 --> 00:25:47,256 Peter had Gummidge, 608 00:25:47,256 --> 00:25:50,050 but of all the relationships Peter made, 609 00:25:50,050 --> 00:25:53,387 none held a candle to Fran Walsh. 610 00:25:53,387 --> 00:25:55,222 [Victoria] Fran actually met Pete 611 00:25:55,222 --> 00:25:58,183 when she was dating Stephen Sinclair. 612 00:25:58,183 --> 00:26:01,395 [Graham] Sinclair, also a writer, and Walsh, 613 00:26:01,395 --> 00:26:03,188 began to advise Peter Jackson 614 00:26:03,188 --> 00:26:05,648 as he made his film, Bad Taste. 615 00:26:05,648 --> 00:26:08,068 Eventually the couple became collaborators, 616 00:26:08,068 --> 00:26:09,695 writing Jackson's film... 617 00:26:09,695 --> 00:26:11,113 Meet the Feebles. 618 00:26:11,113 --> 00:26:15,325 Oh, Nick, you man-stealing slut. 619 00:26:16,201 --> 00:26:18,203 [Graham] Thanks to Fran, Meet the Feebles 620 00:26:18,203 --> 00:26:21,415 became much more than an ironic puppet movie. 621 00:26:21,415 --> 00:26:24,917 That world was incredibly rich and layered and sort of sardonic 622 00:26:24,917 --> 00:26:27,838 and dark in its humor, but also very light in a way. 623 00:26:29,131 --> 00:26:32,217 Oh, dead luck, old shit. 624 00:26:32,217 --> 00:26:35,012 And I think it makes it all very bearable and uplifting. 625 00:26:35,012 --> 00:26:37,013 [Graham] Meet the Feebleswas also 626 00:26:37,013 --> 00:26:39,308 where two other future vital cogs 627 00:26:39,308 --> 00:26:42,352 in Jackson's machine would start to show their worth. 628 00:26:42,352 --> 00:26:44,563 Richard Taylor and Tania Rodger. 629 00:26:44,563 --> 00:26:46,565 [Graham] Richard and Tania stepped up, 630 00:26:46,565 --> 00:26:48,483 and with no prior experience, 631 00:26:48,483 --> 00:26:50,527 built the cast from scratch. 632 00:26:50,527 --> 00:26:54,489 Richard and Tania, so integral in the success of these films, 633 00:26:54,489 --> 00:26:57,826 and they continue to be integral in the success of Peter's films. 634 00:26:57,826 --> 00:26:59,828 [Graham] While building The Feebles, 635 00:26:59,828 --> 00:27:01,872 Richard and Tania began to lay the foundation 636 00:27:01,872 --> 00:27:03,790 for something much bigger. 637 00:27:03,790 --> 00:27:05,125 [Victoria] That's around the time 638 00:27:05,125 --> 00:27:07,503 that Weta Workshop was brought to life. 639 00:27:07,503 --> 00:27:09,254 [Drew] Weta Workshop is essentially 640 00:27:09,254 --> 00:27:10,380 a matter of necessity. 641 00:27:10,380 --> 00:27:12,465 It is a local solution 642 00:27:12,465 --> 00:27:14,343 to a problem of "How do you get 643 00:27:14,343 --> 00:27:16,803 "special effects that look like what Hollywood is doing?" 644 00:27:16,803 --> 00:27:19,848 [Graham] Peter Jackson's relationship with Weta Workshop 645 00:27:19,848 --> 00:27:23,143 continued thanks to Dead Alive, 646 00:27:23,143 --> 00:27:26,647 while another relationship was about to fracture. 647 00:27:26,647 --> 00:27:29,148 [Victoria] Fran, she was dating Stephen Sinclair, 648 00:27:29,148 --> 00:27:30,817 but they would break up, though. 649 00:27:30,817 --> 00:27:33,820 Peter and Fran, they got romantically involved... 650 00:27:33,820 --> 00:27:35,821 [Graham] As their relationship evolved, 651 00:27:35,821 --> 00:27:38,742 Jackson and Walsh would become partners. 652 00:27:38,742 --> 00:27:41,078 [Andrew] ...as well as creative partners. 653 00:27:41,078 --> 00:27:43,372 [Victoria] She worked with Peter ever since then. 654 00:27:43,372 --> 00:27:46,375 [Mahaffie] Fran is a very astute writer. 655 00:27:46,542 --> 00:27:49,670 I think Fran added some emotional side 656 00:27:49,670 --> 00:27:51,839 to the partnership, a bit that was quite important. 657 00:27:51,839 --> 00:27:54,633 Peter was great with the visual storytelling. 658 00:27:54,633 --> 00:27:56,552 They were a great complement to each other. 659 00:27:56,552 --> 00:27:58,804 [Graham] Their next film, Heavenly Creatures, 660 00:27:58,804 --> 00:28:01,306 would signal a new direction for the pair. 661 00:28:01,306 --> 00:28:03,350 Well, Heavenly Creature is based on a true story... 662 00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:06,186 Do you like your mother? 663 00:28:07,145 --> 00:28:08,230 No. 664 00:28:08,272 --> 00:28:10,357 [Drew] ...and represents a perfect 665 00:28:10,357 --> 00:28:12,442 sort of irresistible opportunity 666 00:28:12,442 --> 00:28:14,778 to jump to the next level as filmmakers. 667 00:28:15,487 --> 00:28:17,406 Come with me. 668 00:28:17,406 --> 00:28:20,659 [Tim] It's a very strange but really amazing story 669 00:28:20,659 --> 00:28:22,369 about two teenage girls. 670 00:28:22,369 --> 00:28:24,621 I think they were around 14, and for some reason, 671 00:28:24,621 --> 00:28:27,457 they decided one of their mothers was their enemy. 672 00:28:27,457 --> 00:28:29,376 So, these two teenage girls killed the mother. 673 00:28:31,044 --> 00:28:33,797 [Victoria] Pete did not really wanna make Heavenly Creatures, 674 00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:36,383 but Fran was really fascinated by the murder trial. 675 00:28:36,550 --> 00:28:39,178 You know, this was something that happened in New Zealand. 676 00:28:39,261 --> 00:28:41,054 You know, we have all these diaries. 677 00:28:41,054 --> 00:28:43,348 Let's really try and make a good script out of that. 678 00:28:43,348 --> 00:28:45,893 It's a three X story with a tragic end. 679 00:28:45,893 --> 00:28:49,396 [Graham] But the transition from grind house 680 00:28:49,396 --> 00:28:51,899 to art house wasn't an easy one. 681 00:28:51,899 --> 00:28:54,985 To do it, they needed a seasoned cinematographer. 682 00:28:54,985 --> 00:28:58,947 Of course, all his previous films had been splatter films. 683 00:28:58,947 --> 00:29:00,073 You know, gore. 684 00:29:01,909 --> 00:29:04,703 So, when he asked me to shoot Heavenly Creatures 685 00:29:04,703 --> 00:29:06,914 I was a wee bit wary I must admit, 686 00:29:06,914 --> 00:29:08,749 but after a conversation with him, 687 00:29:08,749 --> 00:29:10,792 I thought, yeah, this guy knows what he's doing. 688 00:29:10,792 --> 00:29:14,463 [Drew] Peter and Fran, they cast the two perfect kids for it. 689 00:29:14,463 --> 00:29:16,006 - Melanie Lynskey... - Smile. 690 00:29:17,132 --> 00:29:18,634 ...and Kate Winslet. 691 00:29:18,634 --> 00:29:21,678 [Pauline] It is indeed a miracle one must feel 692 00:29:21,678 --> 00:29:24,139 that two such heavenly creatures are real. 693 00:29:24,139 --> 00:29:26,433 [Graham] The film was a critical success. 694 00:29:26,433 --> 00:29:29,186 Exhilarating. One of the year's best films. 695 00:29:29,186 --> 00:29:31,897 [Graham] The film would be distributed by Miramax, 696 00:29:31,897 --> 00:29:34,149 Harvey and Bob Weinstein's company, 697 00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:36,360 and they also signed Peter Jackson 698 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:37,569 to a first look deal. 699 00:29:37,569 --> 00:29:40,322 So, essentially, the next original project 700 00:29:40,322 --> 00:29:42,658 that Peter Jackson wanted to take on, 701 00:29:42,658 --> 00:29:44,785 he had to go to Miramax first. 702 00:29:44,785 --> 00:29:46,703 After Heavenly Creatures, 703 00:29:46,703 --> 00:29:50,541 they wanted to do a fantasy project. 704 00:29:50,541 --> 00:29:53,210 The story goes that he and Fran and Philippa were sitting 705 00:29:53,210 --> 00:29:55,712 in their house wondering what to do. 706 00:29:55,712 --> 00:29:57,923 One of them made a joke, "Who has the rights 707 00:29:57,923 --> 00:29:59,550 "to make Lord of the Rings?" 708 00:29:59,550 --> 00:30:02,010 They went online and found out that they could make an offer. 709 00:30:02,010 --> 00:30:04,221 Then I got a call from Peter, 710 00:30:04,221 --> 00:30:06,598 asking if I would come to Los Angeles 711 00:30:06,598 --> 00:30:09,101 to pitch getting money to make Lord of the Rings. 712 00:30:09,101 --> 00:30:11,478 So, a group of Wellington actors got together 713 00:30:11,478 --> 00:30:13,480 and played all of the parts that they wrote 714 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,482 for Lord of the Rings as radio plays. 715 00:30:15,482 --> 00:30:16,650 I'd read the books. 716 00:30:16,650 --> 00:30:18,485 It was such a huge undertaking. 717 00:30:18,485 --> 00:30:21,488 As much as I trusted them, I just didn't think that anyone 718 00:30:21,488 --> 00:30:23,866 would try and make those books into films. 719 00:30:24,366 --> 00:30:27,244 [Graham] Peter knew he had the skills to pay the bills. 720 00:30:27,244 --> 00:30:30,247 He just had to convince everyone else of it. 721 00:30:30,247 --> 00:30:32,457 [Victoria] So, he calls up Harvey Weinstein, 722 00:30:32,457 --> 00:30:34,418 'cause they have a first look deal and he says, 723 00:30:34,418 --> 00:30:35,961 "I'm really interested in Lord of the Rings" 724 00:30:35,961 --> 00:30:37,838 and Harvey's like, "Okay". 725 00:30:37,838 --> 00:30:41,675 Saul Zaentz has the rights to Lord of the Rings. 726 00:30:41,675 --> 00:30:43,886 They were producing The English Patient together. 727 00:30:43,886 --> 00:30:46,597 [Tim] The English Patient,funding dried up 728 00:30:46,597 --> 00:30:48,182 right before they were shooting. 729 00:30:48,182 --> 00:30:50,309 So, Harvey Weinstein came in, gave them money. 730 00:30:50,309 --> 00:30:53,395 The film was made and the film won a bunch of Oscars. 731 00:30:53,395 --> 00:30:57,399 [Graham] Weinstein saw Saul Zaentz as owing him one, 732 00:30:57,399 --> 00:30:59,484 something that could be settled 733 00:30:59,484 --> 00:31:01,987 by selling him The Lord of the Rings rights, 734 00:31:01,987 --> 00:31:04,239 but Zaentz didn't see it like that. 735 00:31:04,239 --> 00:31:06,241 [Chris] He was a sharp businessman. 736 00:31:06,241 --> 00:31:09,244 People that worked with him said he was very tight-fisted. 737 00:31:09,244 --> 00:31:12,080 And I think it was a hard, hard year of negotiations. 738 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,790 [Graham] And this would have 739 00:31:13,790 --> 00:31:15,751 major repercussions for Peter and Fran. 740 00:31:15,751 --> 00:31:18,295 [Drew] He kept them on the hook for a long time 741 00:31:18,295 --> 00:31:20,672 before he really had any handle on the rights, 742 00:31:20,672 --> 00:31:23,967 but he told them right away, "Oh, no worries, we'll get them". 743 00:31:23,967 --> 00:31:26,428 [Graham] Little did Peter and Fran realize 744 00:31:26,428 --> 00:31:29,890 that this was the beginning of a journey as complex as 745 00:31:29,890 --> 00:31:32,434 The Lord of the Ringstrilogy itself. 746 00:31:34,686 --> 00:31:36,605 [Graham] The film, Heavenly Creatures... 747 00:31:36,605 --> 00:31:37,981 That's Mummy! 748 00:31:37,981 --> 00:31:39,566 ...had announced to the world 749 00:31:39,566 --> 00:31:41,568 that Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh 750 00:31:41,568 --> 00:31:44,279 were a creative partnership to be reckoned with. 751 00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:48,033 And the nominees are Frances Walsh and Peter Jackson 752 00:31:48,033 --> 00:31:49,451 for Heavenly Creatures. 753 00:31:49,451 --> 00:31:51,411 [Graham] However, Peter and Fran's 754 00:31:51,411 --> 00:31:53,705 passion project, The Lord of the Rings trilogy, 755 00:31:53,705 --> 00:31:55,832 was, well, dragging on... 756 00:31:55,999 --> 00:31:59,586 When Miramax is trying to get the rights from Saul Zaentz, 757 00:31:59,586 --> 00:32:01,964 there's this long waiting period, but you know, 758 00:32:01,964 --> 00:32:04,174 there's not a guarantee that it's gonna go anywhere. 759 00:32:04,174 --> 00:32:06,593 Patience. Patience, my love. 760 00:32:06,593 --> 00:32:09,596 [Graham] ...and Peter needed something to happen soon, 761 00:32:09,596 --> 00:32:11,890 having recently opened Weta Digital, 762 00:32:11,890 --> 00:32:15,143 a cutting edge world's leading digital effects studio, 763 00:32:15,143 --> 00:32:17,688 which we will get around to telling you all about. 764 00:32:17,688 --> 00:32:19,106 But for now... 765 00:32:19,106 --> 00:32:20,899 You have to keep those people on point. 766 00:32:20,899 --> 00:32:22,651 You have to have something for them to do. 767 00:32:22,651 --> 00:32:24,695 [Graham] ...luckily an old project 768 00:32:24,695 --> 00:32:26,738 was about to receive some new heat. 769 00:32:26,738 --> 00:32:28,574 Only one way to deal with this thing. 770 00:32:28,574 --> 00:32:30,117 They had developed a script. 771 00:32:30,117 --> 00:32:31,535 [Graham] The Frighteners 772 00:32:31,535 --> 00:32:32,995 is the story of a conman... 773 00:32:32,995 --> 00:32:34,913 A psychic investigator? That's a good one. 774 00:32:34,913 --> 00:32:36,915 [Graham] ...who could talk to the dead. 775 00:32:36,915 --> 00:32:39,334 Hate to break this to you, you're dead. You can't smoke. 776 00:32:39,334 --> 00:32:42,004 You can light 'em up and blow the smoke in my face. 777 00:32:42,004 --> 00:32:43,881 [Graham] There was only one problem. 778 00:32:43,881 --> 00:32:46,049 [Victoria] Peter Jackson had a first look deal 779 00:32:46,049 --> 00:32:48,343 with Harvey for anything that he would make. 780 00:32:48,343 --> 00:32:50,637 [Graham] And in the case of the Frighteners, 781 00:32:50,637 --> 00:32:54,057 it was Universal that Peter and Fran wanted to deal with. 782 00:32:54,057 --> 00:32:56,894 [Drew] They had to negotiate to get the freedom 783 00:32:56,894 --> 00:32:59,062 to go make another movie for Universal. 784 00:32:59,062 --> 00:33:01,315 OK, well, folks, I can do a clearance 785 00:33:01,315 --> 00:33:02,733 but it's not gonna be cheap. 786 00:33:02,733 --> 00:33:04,359 [Drew] Harvey Weinstein, 787 00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:06,153 he knew that he had Universal in a barrel, 788 00:33:06,153 --> 00:33:09,615 so he managed to extract quite a bit from them. 789 00:33:09,615 --> 00:33:12,159 [Graham] And Peter Jackson had a demand of his own. 790 00:33:12,159 --> 00:33:14,620 Pete said, "I want to do it here in New Zealand". 791 00:33:14,620 --> 00:33:18,207 He was adamant. "I wanna film in New Zealand", and they let him. 792 00:33:18,207 --> 00:33:19,374 I'm on my way. 793 00:33:19,374 --> 00:33:20,542 Crews began to fly 794 00:33:20,542 --> 00:33:22,544 to the other side of the world, 795 00:33:22,544 --> 00:33:25,923 so New Zealand could double as the American Mid-West. 796 00:33:25,923 --> 00:33:28,133 Ready, and action. 797 00:33:28,133 --> 00:33:30,594 And, at that point, they jumped whole hog into it. 798 00:33:32,596 --> 00:33:34,723 For that time, there were a lot of special effects. 799 00:33:36,475 --> 00:33:39,520 For Weta and for Peter Jackson, it was a training ground 800 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,063 of how to work with digital effects. 801 00:33:42,731 --> 00:33:45,567 It was a way of working with a giant movie star. 802 00:33:45,567 --> 00:33:47,027 I'm kinda surprised to see you. 803 00:33:47,027 --> 00:33:48,403 Here on business, I guess. 804 00:33:48,403 --> 00:33:50,906 Those were important milestones. 805 00:33:50,906 --> 00:33:53,408 Frighteners was going so well as it was coming together 806 00:33:53,408 --> 00:33:54,910 that Universal wanted to make sure 807 00:33:54,910 --> 00:33:56,495 they had the next Peter Jackson film. 808 00:33:56,495 --> 00:33:58,163 Again, Lord of the Rings, 809 00:33:58,163 --> 00:34:00,332 the rights were taking forever to negotiate. 810 00:34:00,332 --> 00:34:02,501 [Graham] And while Harvey Weinstein struggled 811 00:34:02,501 --> 00:34:04,419 with the films rights to Tolkien, 812 00:34:04,419 --> 00:34:07,172 Universal knew they had the rights in hand 813 00:34:07,172 --> 00:34:09,758 to something far more precious to Jackson. 814 00:34:09,758 --> 00:34:13,887 Something monstrous. All powerful. 815 00:34:13,887 --> 00:34:17,641 King Kong has been his obsession since he was a child. 816 00:34:19,184 --> 00:34:22,688 It is the movie that made him wanna make movies. 817 00:34:22,688 --> 00:34:26,984 [Graham] Once again, timing was perfect for Harvey Weinstein, 818 00:34:26,984 --> 00:34:29,486 who still had Peter Jackson on a string. 819 00:34:29,486 --> 00:34:31,864 All of that is to his advantage. 820 00:34:31,864 --> 00:34:34,992 He was a king and a God in the world he knew. 821 00:34:34,992 --> 00:34:37,035 Weinstein was gonna have a piece of King Kong. 822 00:34:37,035 --> 00:34:39,161 Universal's giving up so much 823 00:34:39,161 --> 00:34:40,998 to be able to lock Jackson down to this. 824 00:34:40,998 --> 00:34:43,542 I think that is how all-in they were on him as a filmmaker. 825 00:34:43,625 --> 00:34:45,544 [Graham] And with The Frighteners 826 00:34:45,544 --> 00:34:48,297 ruling the box office, Jackson would have it all. 827 00:34:48,297 --> 00:34:51,633 Only that's not what happened. 828 00:34:51,633 --> 00:34:54,636 [Drew] The Frighteners belly-flopped at the box office. 829 00:34:54,636 --> 00:34:55,929 It was a disaster. 830 00:34:55,929 --> 00:34:57,681 It's a goddamn tragedy. 831 00:34:57,681 --> 00:34:59,850 [Barrie] After Frighteners, Universal, 832 00:34:59,850 --> 00:35:01,185 they didn't wanna makeKing Kong. 833 00:35:01,393 --> 00:35:03,061 The studio pulled it. 834 00:35:03,061 --> 00:35:04,897 It was Beauty who killed the Beast. 835 00:35:04,897 --> 00:35:06,648 [Graham] Not only was Kong dead... 836 00:35:06,648 --> 00:35:08,358 [Drew] That ended Universal's interest 837 00:35:08,358 --> 00:35:10,360 in working with Peter Jackson. 838 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,738 [Graham] ...now unable to put the squeeze on Universal, 839 00:35:12,738 --> 00:35:16,158 Weinstein continued to squeeze Saul Zaentz 840 00:35:16,158 --> 00:35:18,035 for the rights to Lord of the Rings. 841 00:35:18,035 --> 00:35:20,871 The Ring of Power within my grasp. 842 00:35:20,871 --> 00:35:24,248 Harvey Weinstein was a very difficult combative producer. 843 00:35:24,248 --> 00:35:26,960 There are not many stories where people tell you, 844 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,337 "I had a remarkable experience". 845 00:35:28,337 --> 00:35:29,505 [Graham] For a share 846 00:35:29,505 --> 00:35:31,632 of the gross profits, Saul relented. 847 00:35:31,632 --> 00:35:35,260 So, Harvey got him to give him the rights to make the picture. 848 00:35:35,260 --> 00:35:37,179 [Graham] Harvey Weinstein had played Hardball 849 00:35:37,179 --> 00:35:40,265 to secure the deal, but Peter Jackson wasn't beyond 850 00:35:40,265 --> 00:35:43,060 playing Hardball himself to get what he wanted. 851 00:35:43,393 --> 00:35:45,604 [Victoria] Pete always felt that New Zealand 852 00:35:45,604 --> 00:35:47,439 would be the perfect country 853 00:35:47,439 --> 00:35:49,358 to film a Lord of the Rings film. 854 00:35:49,358 --> 00:35:51,443 [Graham] And as far as Peter was concerned, 855 00:35:51,443 --> 00:35:53,152 it was a non-negotiable. 856 00:35:53,152 --> 00:35:55,155 [Barrie] There were a lot of articles that said, 857 00:35:55,155 --> 00:35:57,533 "They'll never be able to make this movie in New Zealand". 858 00:35:57,533 --> 00:35:59,701 So, that just fired Peter up. 859 00:35:59,701 --> 00:36:02,454 [Graham] So, Peter mobilized his army, 860 00:36:02,454 --> 00:36:05,040 but they weren't orcs or trolls. 861 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,084 It was an army of set designers, 862 00:36:07,084 --> 00:36:10,504 costume makers willing to do everything it took 863 00:36:10,504 --> 00:36:14,716 to make The Lord of the Ringsa trilogy for the ages. 864 00:36:14,716 --> 00:36:21,014 Trees and cliffs and castles, and sculptures, roads, bridges. 865 00:36:21,014 --> 00:36:23,433 In order to get the grass to the right length 866 00:36:23,433 --> 00:36:26,728 and the hedgerows to look like they'd been there forever, 867 00:36:26,728 --> 00:36:29,731 our greens department went and transplanted a whole lot 868 00:36:29,731 --> 00:36:32,776 of quite large trees and the hedgerows 869 00:36:32,776 --> 00:36:35,571 around the hobbit holes, and all the gardens. 870 00:36:35,571 --> 00:36:38,114 To get the gardens working and looking believable, 871 00:36:38,114 --> 00:36:39,950 you need to give it the time 872 00:36:39,950 --> 00:36:42,744 so your plants would grow and die back, 873 00:36:42,744 --> 00:36:45,998 and new ones spring up, and then weeds grow. 874 00:36:45,998 --> 00:36:48,166 [Graham] Building Tolkien's Middle Earth 875 00:36:48,166 --> 00:36:51,460 was a brutal exercise and took well over a year. 876 00:36:51,460 --> 00:36:53,672 Thankfully, New Zealand was small enough 877 00:36:53,672 --> 00:36:56,633 and varied enough to make the task possible. 878 00:36:56,717 --> 00:37:00,721 It does sort of feel in a way like a magical land. 879 00:37:01,013 --> 00:37:02,806 [Stephen] We have varied sceneries. 880 00:37:02,806 --> 00:37:06,351 I mean the north of this country is sub-tropical, 881 00:37:06,351 --> 00:37:09,062 and the bottom is snow-capped mountains. 882 00:37:09,062 --> 00:37:13,192 It would be difficult to find such varied landscapes 883 00:37:13,192 --> 00:37:16,111 in another country that was actually so close together. 884 00:37:16,111 --> 00:37:19,239 [Graham] However, deep into pre-production, 885 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,660 Harvey Weinstein dropped a bombshell on Peter Jackson. 886 00:37:23,660 --> 00:37:25,204 Weinstein tells them 887 00:37:25,204 --> 00:37:26,788 what they're going to be able to make. 888 00:37:26,788 --> 00:37:28,373 It's kind of a shock to the system, 889 00:37:28,373 --> 00:37:30,000 'cause it's not really creatively 890 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,668 what I think any filmmaker would think. 891 00:37:31,668 --> 00:37:33,587 The plan was to make two films, 892 00:37:33,587 --> 00:37:36,590 so condense the whole trilogy into two films. 893 00:37:36,590 --> 00:37:38,217 We're gonna make 'em together 894 00:37:38,217 --> 00:37:40,093 and they're gonna cost $75 million total. 895 00:37:40,093 --> 00:37:42,179 Don't you see that is madness? 896 00:37:42,179 --> 00:37:45,015 [Graham] $75 million wasn't an arbitrary number. 897 00:37:45,015 --> 00:37:48,018 Miramax had a $75 million cap 898 00:37:48,018 --> 00:37:52,105 which was enforced by Disney who owned Miramax. 899 00:37:52,105 --> 00:37:54,315 [Drew] They had a distribution deal that said, 900 00:37:54,315 --> 00:37:56,860 $1 over this amount and it's not your movie any more, 901 00:37:56,860 --> 00:37:59,279 and they were not going to give that up to Disney. 902 00:37:59,279 --> 00:38:01,239 [Graham] Under the circumstances, 903 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,700 making Lord of the Ringsseemed impossible, 904 00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:06,161 but Peter had an ace up his sleeve. 905 00:38:09,456 --> 00:38:11,208 [Graham] Peter Jackson's motivation 906 00:38:11,208 --> 00:38:13,168 to film The Lord of the Ringsin New Zealand 907 00:38:13,168 --> 00:38:16,588 ran far deeper than the green, green grass of home. 908 00:38:16,755 --> 00:38:18,215 He had Weta Workshop. 909 00:38:18,215 --> 00:38:19,675 [Graham] But the workshop 910 00:38:19,675 --> 00:38:21,343 wasn't a workshop full of wetas, 911 00:38:21,343 --> 00:38:23,303 it was actually a workshop 912 00:38:23,303 --> 00:38:26,640 full of talented, practical effects geniuses 913 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,686 and they sharpened their claws on two iconic shows. 914 00:38:30,686 --> 00:38:32,437 Xena, Warrior Princess. 915 00:38:33,730 --> 00:38:34,815 Hercules. 916 00:38:34,815 --> 00:38:36,817 Oh, this can't be good. 917 00:38:36,817 --> 00:38:39,277 [Graham] But it was good, and they were good. 918 00:38:39,486 --> 00:38:41,238 The last six years had been 919 00:38:41,238 --> 00:38:42,698 the apprenticeship for all of us. 920 00:38:42,698 --> 00:38:46,451 Archers, fire! 921 00:38:46,451 --> 00:38:49,746 Weta had developed this way 922 00:38:49,746 --> 00:38:53,083 of producing absolutely authentic 923 00:38:53,083 --> 00:38:54,793 metal weapons... 924 00:38:57,713 --> 00:38:59,131 ...and lightweight chainmail 925 00:38:59,131 --> 00:39:01,592 out of plastic rings joined together. 926 00:39:01,592 --> 00:39:04,178 You could hold it in your hand. 927 00:39:04,178 --> 00:39:06,096 Unless you felt the weight of it, 928 00:39:06,096 --> 00:39:08,056 you would believe it to be metal. 929 00:39:08,056 --> 00:39:14,271 I don't believe we would have succeeded without those shows. 930 00:39:14,271 --> 00:39:15,981 [Graham] It really did seem 931 00:39:15,981 --> 00:39:18,317 like the stars were aligning for Jackson, 932 00:39:18,317 --> 00:39:20,402 New Zealand and Middle Earth. 933 00:39:20,402 --> 00:39:22,154 So, they got to work on it. 934 00:39:22,154 --> 00:39:24,656 [Graham] But there was the not-so-small issue 935 00:39:24,656 --> 00:39:26,658 of creating a two-film 936 00:39:26,658 --> 00:39:29,161 Lord of the Rings story out of three books. 937 00:39:29,161 --> 00:39:32,122 [Galadriel] Stray but a little, and it will fail. 938 00:39:32,122 --> 00:39:34,291 [Graham] If it took Tolkien almost two decades 939 00:39:34,291 --> 00:39:36,251 to write the novels, 940 00:39:36,251 --> 00:39:38,253 how would Jackson and his writing partners, 941 00:39:38,253 --> 00:39:41,297 Fran Walsh and Stephen Sinclair ever succeed? 942 00:39:41,297 --> 00:39:44,510 They needed a professor of Tolkienology. 943 00:39:44,510 --> 00:39:47,429 [Drew] Philippa Boyens, Philippa is the living 944 00:39:47,429 --> 00:39:49,181 Lord of the Rings encyclopedia. 945 00:39:49,181 --> 00:39:51,391 [Graham] But not only did she know The Shire, 946 00:39:51,391 --> 00:39:53,268 she knew how to script movies. 947 00:39:53,268 --> 00:39:55,479 [Jed] She was well known in New Zealand, you know, 948 00:39:55,479 --> 00:39:57,564 as one of the top script editors in the country. 949 00:39:57,564 --> 00:40:01,693 You need people of intelligence on this sort of mission. 950 00:40:01,693 --> 00:40:03,111 Quest. 951 00:40:03,111 --> 00:40:04,780 [Graham] Philippa's secret sauce 952 00:40:04,780 --> 00:40:06,198 scattered over the script 953 00:40:06,198 --> 00:40:08,575 was attention to the little things. 954 00:40:08,575 --> 00:40:10,994 [Andrew] Thanks to Boyens in particular, 955 00:40:10,994 --> 00:40:13,163 all the little details were kept in place. 956 00:40:13,163 --> 00:40:15,666 I think she's the secret weapon of the whole thing. 957 00:40:15,666 --> 00:40:17,501 [Graham] With their secret weapon, 958 00:40:17,501 --> 00:40:19,670 the unlikely quartet began their quest, 959 00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:22,381 hoping to succeed where so many others failed. 960 00:40:23,422 --> 00:40:25,217 Yet the question remained... 961 00:40:25,217 --> 00:40:28,178 [Drew] In two scripts, can you tell Lord of the Rings 962 00:40:28,178 --> 00:40:29,596 and have it beLord of the Rings? 963 00:40:29,596 --> 00:40:32,015 All we have to decide is what to do 964 00:40:32,015 --> 00:40:34,101 with the time that is given to us. 965 00:40:34,101 --> 00:40:36,018 So, it's a huge gamble. 966 00:40:36,018 --> 00:40:38,564 [Graham] But Peter Jackson was not a betting man. 967 00:40:38,564 --> 00:40:41,650 He knew exactly what he was doing. 968 00:40:41,650 --> 00:40:43,694 With the script in capable hands, 969 00:40:43,694 --> 00:40:46,947 Peter Jackson began to focus on the visuals. 970 00:40:46,947 --> 00:40:49,533 [Mahaffie] Peter had had a number of storyboard artists 971 00:40:49,533 --> 00:40:53,286 giving visual influence to what the script was suggesting. 972 00:40:53,286 --> 00:40:56,957 [Graham] There was only one way that he'd succeed 973 00:40:56,957 --> 00:40:58,709 in visualizing Middle Earth. 974 00:40:58,709 --> 00:41:00,960 [Gilbert] A lot of the images from Lord of the Rings 975 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,838 that people had imprinted on their minds 976 00:41:02,838 --> 00:41:04,506 from reading the books, we had the guys 977 00:41:04,506 --> 00:41:06,800 who actually produced those images doing a lot 978 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,510 of the conceptual drawings for the film. 979 00:41:08,510 --> 00:41:11,972 [Sean] Alan Lee and John Howe basically 980 00:41:11,972 --> 00:41:14,892 drove the look of the whole thing. 981 00:41:14,892 --> 00:41:19,146 We kind of just put so much trust in those guys. 982 00:41:19,146 --> 00:41:22,065 [Sean] Yeah, Alan used to sit there with us and draw. 983 00:41:22,065 --> 00:41:25,986 It was crazy to just have him right there with us. 984 00:41:25,986 --> 00:41:28,989 [Graham] But although Jackson had illustrative royalty 985 00:41:28,989 --> 00:41:31,575 at his disposal, it was somewhere else 986 00:41:31,575 --> 00:41:32,826 he looked for inspiration. 987 00:41:35,161 --> 00:41:37,748 [Chris] We feel like we had some influence. 988 00:41:39,583 --> 00:41:41,877 Some of the shots, early shots especially, 989 00:41:41,877 --> 00:41:44,296 are almost shot for shot identical. 990 00:41:46,507 --> 00:41:50,511 I think people can aspire what they're seeing 991 00:41:50,511 --> 00:41:52,012 and they wanna improve it. 992 00:41:53,388 --> 00:41:55,349 [Graham] They'd give it an ending for a start. 993 00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:57,100 [Chris] Right in the middle of the battle. 994 00:41:57,100 --> 00:41:59,478 It just ends. Boom. 995 00:41:59,478 --> 00:42:02,731 [Graham] But Peter Jackson had far more to think about. 996 00:42:02,731 --> 00:42:05,776 The fierce, burning eye of Sauron, 997 00:42:05,776 --> 00:42:07,652 AKA, Harvey Weinstein. 998 00:42:07,652 --> 00:42:09,988 It was the mum and dad of it, you know. 999 00:42:09,988 --> 00:42:13,450 One had the purse strings and one had the creative vision. 1000 00:42:13,450 --> 00:42:16,245 [Graham] Jackson's vision was starting to make Weinstein 1001 00:42:16,245 --> 00:42:19,665 pessimistic of his ability to shoot the film on budget. 1002 00:42:19,665 --> 00:42:22,751 This budget kept going up and it was now looking like 1003 00:42:22,751 --> 00:42:25,087 almost twice that $75 million cap. 1004 00:42:25,087 --> 00:42:28,382 [Victoria] Harvey's like, "I can only do it for $75 million". 1005 00:42:28,382 --> 00:42:31,802 [Graham] And if two movies cost 140 million, 1006 00:42:31,802 --> 00:42:34,096 then Harvey simply did the math. 1007 00:42:34,096 --> 00:42:36,390 So Harvey said, "We're not gonna make two movies. 1008 00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:38,141 "We're only gonna make one". 1009 00:42:38,475 --> 00:42:40,102 No! Never! 1010 00:42:40,310 --> 00:42:42,312 Of course, Pete was going, 1011 00:42:42,312 --> 00:42:46,483 "You can't do it with one movie. It's too big". 1012 00:42:46,483 --> 00:42:49,570 He's like, "No, that's what it is, one single film". 1013 00:42:49,570 --> 00:42:52,197 [Andrew] Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh did not think 1014 00:42:52,197 --> 00:42:53,949 that they could do justice 1015 00:42:53,949 --> 00:42:56,994 to the source material with just one film. 1016 00:42:56,994 --> 00:42:58,996 [Graham] After two years of preparing 1017 00:42:58,996 --> 00:43:00,706 to turn New Zealand into Middle Earth... 1018 00:43:00,706 --> 00:43:02,123 I think it broke them. 1019 00:43:02,123 --> 00:43:03,959 [Victoria] Peter was convinced, 1020 00:43:03,959 --> 00:43:05,627 "I'm gonna have to walk away from this". 1021 00:43:05,627 --> 00:43:07,754 Harvey said, "Well, if you don't wanna do it, 1022 00:43:07,754 --> 00:43:10,047 "we'll just find another director that wants to do it". 1023 00:43:10,047 --> 00:43:12,509 It's a strange fate that we should suffer 1024 00:43:12,509 --> 00:43:14,428 so much fear and doubt. 1025 00:43:14,428 --> 00:43:17,681 They panicked and they realized, we have to rescue this thing. 1026 00:43:17,681 --> 00:43:20,142 It cannot be a Harvey Weinstein movie. 1027 00:43:20,142 --> 00:43:23,020 [Graham] For Peter Jackson and his fellowship, 1028 00:43:23,020 --> 00:43:24,605 the fate of Middle Earth 1029 00:43:24,688 --> 00:43:26,982 and the New Zealand film industry... 1030 00:43:27,024 --> 00:43:29,109 Half the country worked on those movies. 1031 00:43:29,318 --> 00:43:30,736 [Graham] ...was in his hands. 81508

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