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Sticks and stones will break my bone.
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Our ways will be true.
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And when your mom is dead and gone,
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I'll sing this lullaby just for you.
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Wood becomes of all the little boys who
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never go there.
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They lined up all around the block
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on the nickels over there.
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You better bring a bucket.
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There's hole in the pail.
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If you don't get my letter,
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then you'll know that I'm in jail.
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Wood becomes of all the little boys who
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never say their prayers.
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Sleeping like a baby on
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the nickels over there.
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On June 28, 1979, Dr.
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Nathan Sack of Columbus, Ohio, a well-known
surgeon and his wife, had
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come to Atlanta for the annual convention of
the Association of Nuclear Medicine.
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They were to be part of Atlanta's 131st
homicide of 1979.
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Give me your hand back.
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Hurry up.
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Dr. Sack's murder was on the front page of
the Atlanta Daily Newspapers and prominent
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in newspapers all over the country.
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But a short time later, a crime happened
that barely was mentioned in one of
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Atlanta's newspapers.
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In all likelihood, the boy was already dead
when he was brought to this spot.
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He was 14 years old.
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The second boy was last seen on his way to a
skating rink.
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He too was 14 years old.
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This was the beginning of a case that was to
be one of the most baffling
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and the crime adults of the United States.
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And before the ordeal had ended, a city
would go crazy.
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And no one who touched the case in any way
would ever be the same again.
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The Atlanta child murders had begun.
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Do you realize the increase in homicides
this year?
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No, I'm afraid I don't, but I'm quite sure
you do.
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We have had 231 homicides, a 61% increase
over
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1978. I hope you realize that when you print
stories like that, how much
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you hurt Atlanta?
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One of our main sources of revenue is the
convention trade.
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The city is 66% black and we are going to
have a proportionate number of
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black officers whether you like it or not.
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Help! Somebody got it!
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Somebody help!
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Would you like to fly?
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Well, I don't have any money.
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Well, I'll take you.
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Jesus, thanks, sir.
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Another boy was found.
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His name was Leroy Millard James.
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He was 14.
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How long has he been gone?
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He left here about four or thirty.
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All right, I'll go look for him.
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Don't worry.
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He just went to do an errand and he
disappeared.
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Somebody must know something.
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A young boy just doesn't drop off the face
of the earth.
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All right, let's return that up to you.
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You have a great deal of Atlanta out there.
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They want to know your feelings.
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Thank you. I can't help wondering if they're
working as hard as they would
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if it were a white child from a middle class
background.
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Help! Would
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there have been a better chance of saving
him if he'd done something right away?
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I don't know.
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This is a place where black babies are
hunted down and kept
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like animals.
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Shake it, shake it, but don't break it,
shake it, shake it,
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but don't break it, shake it, shake it, but
don't break it.
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There are kids being murdered all over the
streets of Atlanta, but they don't matter
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because the department doesn't make any
points if it solves their murders, does it?
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I'm not a word like that, Mike, and I'm
going to ask you for your badge.
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Jake, go ask him back.
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I'd rather turn him on than badge.
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Jake, somebody's got to stop these crimes
against children.
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Or there's no telling where it will end.
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And what are you saying to the police force?
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I am advising them.
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I am pleading with them to concentrate their
efforts on this geographic pattern
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and to put stakeouts here, here, here, and
here in order to help prevent the next
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murder. It was the morning of Latonia
Wilson's seventh birthday.
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As unbelievable as it may seem, somebody
actually removed the window pane closest to
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the lock, reached through, opened the lock,
then opened the
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door and stepped in.
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That person picked her out of her bed where
she was sleeping next to her sister,
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then walked past her brother who was
sleeping in the next bed and took
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her out of the house.
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You want us to make a statement that there's
a Jack the Ripper killing the four
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black children of Atlanta, but I don't
believe that.
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We got ourselves a black mayor.
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We got ourselves a black commissioner of
public safety, black
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councilmen. We got everything black from top
to bottom.
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We got everything but protection for our
black children.
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If you want to kill off a Reese, the first
thing you must do is
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kill the seat.
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Now the whole thing here in Atlanta is the
first step in a plan toward genocide.
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No, no, no.
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They didn't stop my baby.
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They didn't stop my baby.
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My mother didn't disappear.
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My mother didn't go.
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It's a green carpet fiber.
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It's very unusual because the cross section
of the fiber shows a trilobular design
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with one short leg.
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Trilobular design.
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Well, I'll still settle for fingerprints,
motive, old
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-fashioned things like that.
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What do you want to bet when we find the
murderer?
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He's got a green carpet in his house?
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The eight-year-old boy has been identified
by dental records as Christopher
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Richardson, son of Selena Cobb, who lives at
8624.
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So sorry, Miss Cobb.
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Could you tell us how you feel?
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Get out!
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Get out! You don't have no more heart than
the contraption you brought in here.
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What should it be?
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Now what am I going to do?
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Get out!
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Get out of my house!
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Come on, get out!
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Get out!
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Help! Help!
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Help! By
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mid-March, the pattern of death changed
again.
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The bodies were being dumped into the river.
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The body was clad in red, bathing-type
shorts.
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Could have been drowning.
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But I think we have to mark this mechanism
unknown.
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What am I charged with, man?
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You're a suspect in the case of the missing
and murdered children, chef.
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You guys are so desperate for a suspect that
it's affecting your faculties.
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And if I wasn't a veteran of 18 years on the
police force, I'd be scared
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as hell right now, because I know how easily
a case can be made to work
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if there's a need for it.
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Look, I'm just warning you, chef.
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You just stay out of our way.
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Get on out of the case!
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We have staked our bridges into Calb,
Fulton, and Cobb counties.
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I heard a splash.
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A loud splash is a car in the bridge.
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I can't see it from where I'm at.
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That splash was to change the course of the
Atlanta murders, and perhaps American
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jurisprudence forever.
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Let's see your identification.
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Wayne Williams. That's right.
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If you throw a body into the river...
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Are you crazy?
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Would you get out of the car, please?
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Come on. Get out.
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What is it?
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Come on. Step back here, will you, please?
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Would you move back there?
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Had we come to the end of what we were
looking for for two years, was
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this the man who choked the life out of,
shot, bludgeoned, and drowned 28
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human beings? Or was it someone caught in
the net of hysteria, and
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the need to bring an end to Atlanta's
nightmare?
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You heard a splash.
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I could have been a beaver.
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There are a lot of beavers around here.
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They splash their tails in the water.
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It could sound like a body.
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I know the difference between a beaver
splashing its tail and the sound of a body.
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You do. How?
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It used to be a lifeguard.
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This little incident on the bridge here is
going to be the talk of the town,
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the talk of the country.
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I just hope we're not starting an avalanche
of something we can't stop based on a
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splash. Somebody throwing a body off of beds
that nobody has seen, and the murder
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of getting back into a station wagon that
nobody saw stopped.
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Yeah. Wayne.
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I have a warrant for your arrest.
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Mr. Slayton,
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just eight days ago, you said you had
insufficient evidence to arrest Wayne
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Woods. I did.
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What made you change your mind?
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I finally found I couldn't corroborate
William's story
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that he had crossed the bridge at three in
the morning to visit a woman who
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he was going to interview for a musical
audition.
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But now in your own words, you said you
might have a good case for lying,
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but not for murder.
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Yes, sir. What about that?
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Now, I've gone over the fiber evidence with
the Georgia Bureau of Investigation
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and Lad Peterson, and I found it's much more
substantial than I
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had believed. And that's something else.
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There's a great possibility if we don't move
on this, Williams may leave the
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country. Mr. Slayton, I hate to ask this
question.
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I think you're one of the finest officials
this state's ever had.
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But there are persistent reports of that
pressure to prosecute Wayne Williams was
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brought on you at a meeting at the Capitol.
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I've been in office for eight years.
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Because if
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I had visited the governor's mansion, there
would not have been any such pressure that
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I would have recognized.
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There were no threats.
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There were no ultimatums.
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No deadlines. All right, sir.
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We'll look into it.
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We'll look into it.
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We'll look into it.
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We'll look into it.
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We'll look into it.
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We'll look into it.
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We'll look into it.
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Al Binder joined the defense for Wayne
Williams.
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He was one of the best criminal lawyers in
the South.
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In the courtroom, he sometimes affected the
talk and dress of a hick.
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But Al Binder is no hick.
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I want you to join a defense team in an
advisory capacity.
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I understand you know more about the Atlanta
murder than anybody else.
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What are you paying?
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Nothing. That's an attractive offer.
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Well, what the hell do you think I'm
getting?
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I can imagine.
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The one thing that makes it almost
irresistible is what the expression on the
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faces of the Atlanta police force might be
if they discover that the deadlinger is
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part of the Wayne Williams defense team.
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Thank you. I have a problem though.
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I'm not so sure Wayne Williams is innocent.
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I could be a dangerous man to have around.
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And even while I'm investigating the case, I
could come up with evidence that says
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he's guilty.
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Chance I'll take.
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May I ask why you're taking the case?
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Well, I'm a strange specimen.
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Not only am I a missus of a Jew, but I've
become accepted by the good
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old boys as one of their own.
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Things are going too smoothly for me at the
moment.
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I'm accepted. I'm making money.
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I miss the good old days when the crew
clutched a plane or was burning my
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house and shooting at my car.
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Now you know Wayne Williams up against
Federal Bureau of Investigation, Georgia
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Bureau of Investigation, Atlanta police
force newspapers.
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And who has he got to protect him?
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Me. That isn't enough to make the old
adrenaline go and feel alive again.
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Nothing is.
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I want you to think back to Friday, January
2, 1981.
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Do you recall being in Atlanta?
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Yes, I do.
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My mother and I went down to the Royal
Mattress Company.
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That's just on the other side of the, the,
uh, Stewart Lakewood Shopping Center.
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And who did you see, if anybody, in that
area?
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I saw a man and a boy about 20 foot from me,
right at the, uh,
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oh, see his out like that.
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And were they talking?
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Yes, sir. And what else did you observe?
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The, uh, man was leaning up against the
wall.
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Uh-huh. And I noticed on his face is what
really caught me, because
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I was just standing around there, knowing
else around.
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And it looked like he had, uh, two scratches
that was just beginning to
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heal up on his face.
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On his face?
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No. Now did you see them again?
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They started walking over to a green car.
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I'll show you a photograph marked LG 21.
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Now have you seen the person in that
photograph before?
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It looks to be the same boy I saw that day.
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I ask you to look around the courtroom and
see if you see that
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adult you saw with the young child.
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Yes, sir. Would you point in his direction,
please?
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That gentleman sitting right over there,
along with the glasses.
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All right, young man.
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You don't mind me calling you young man, do
you?
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No. You're young, aren't you?
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How old are you?
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15. Yeah, let me ask you if you saw one of
the Atlanta
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children that was murdered, Lube Gheeta, on
the first weekend
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of January 1981.
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Yes, sir.
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Did you see some of the young men?
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Did you see someone with him?
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Yes, sir. I seen Lube Gheeta getting a call
with him.
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Are you referring to defendant on trial over
here?
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Yes, sir. Did you see this person later?
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Sir, he asked me if I wanted a job, and he
asked me where I'd go
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with him.
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Did you do that?
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Yeah, I got in the car with him.
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He asked me if I had any money.
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I said no, sir.
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Then he fell down my pocket.
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He wasn't really filling my pocket.
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He was filling me.
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Then he gave me two dollars, and he drove me
down a pick-fest street.
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What was around there?
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Woods, that's all.
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What happened then?
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Then he said he had to go to the trunk for
something, so I jumped out
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and ran. This man that rode you out there
and fondled you, as you indicated,
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and gave you two dollars.
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Is that the same man that you identified and
called here, Wayne
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Williams? Yes, sir.
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Thank you.
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Mr. Binder?
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Tell me, uh, what kind of weather was it
that day, son?
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I don't remember that.
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Oh, you don't remember that?
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Uh-uh. All right, but you do remember the
man you saw in that car?
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I remember the face.
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I can't forget his face.
302
00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:33,680
Oh, you can't forget it?
303
00:18:33,980 --> 00:18:38,710
Uh-uh. Did they tell you something good
would happen to you if you'd remember his
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face? I remember the face.
305
00:18:41,380 --> 00:18:43,780
I wake up in dreams at night thinking about
his face.
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You do? That's right.
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He makes me sick.
308
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How many times have you been convicted of
being a criminal?
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I've been convicted of stealing.
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I don't want to answer that question.
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Oh, you'll answer it, son.
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You'll answer it.
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As an objection, you can't impeach someone
with his own testimony?
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I can ask a witness anything if it's in his
knowledge.
315
00:19:04,540 --> 00:19:05,530
No, sir, you can't.
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He's a juvenile.
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They would not be a record of his
conviction.
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Would you approach the bench?
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00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:22,880
Your Honor, the prosecution is trying to
paint this young man as a sweet little boy.
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And I want to say for the record that my
investigation of the man that shows
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that this boy has hoodlum, has been arrested
over 10 times minimum, and he's
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constantly in trouble with the law.
323
00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,780
You have to have an actual conviction.
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He doesn't have a conviction, so he can't
use it for impeachment.
325
00:19:38,360 --> 00:19:41,510
Your Honor, you shouldn't limit us to cross
-examination.
326
00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,340
This crucial witness let us know what he
really is.
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00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:52,440
The court rules that the boy doesn't want to
answer general questions about
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stealing, and that is interpreted by the
court as his invocation of his right
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against self-incrimination.
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Objection sustained.
331
00:20:08,020 --> 00:20:11,700
Did you talk to anybody about any money for
testifying in this case?
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00:20:12,060 --> 00:20:13,160
No. Now, come on.
333
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,400
Didn't you talk to somebody about some money
for testifying?
334
00:20:17,380 --> 00:20:19,230
I just heard somebody talking about it.
335
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,220
That's all. Oh, you heard somebody talking
about it?
336
00:20:21,500 --> 00:20:22,900
That's right. What did they tell you?
337
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,180
Some man said he was going to give me
something.
338
00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:26,900
To come up here and testify?
339
00:20:29,460 --> 00:20:32,140
Not me. Well, who was he going to give it
to?
340
00:20:33,020 --> 00:20:33,980
I don't know.
341
00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:35,280
Well, you're hoping he'd give it to you?
342
00:20:35,740 --> 00:20:37,600
I don't care nothing about no money.
343
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:38,360
Oh, you don't.
344
00:20:39,100 --> 00:20:43,480
That's right. I'm just here to do my job,
and I should tell you the truth.
345
00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:49,960
They told you to say that on the witness'
hand and tell the truth?
346
00:20:50,420 --> 00:20:50,980
That's right.
347
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:53,380
Now, did you tell Mr.
348
00:20:53,900 --> 00:20:58,700
Dufflinger today, right outside this
courtroom, that you didn't even
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00:20:58,740 --> 00:21:00,120
know Wayne Williams?
350
00:21:00,380 --> 00:21:02,580
Huh? Don't you remember that?
351
00:21:03,100 --> 00:21:07,900
Uh-uh. And aren't you the young man that,
when you first was interrogated about this,
352
00:21:08,300 --> 00:21:13,100
identified the man you saw with Luby Gita as
being 6'2'' and
353
00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:15,720
about 180 pounds?
354
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:17,760
You don't remember that?
355
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:21,980
No. That's all.
356
00:21:27,980 --> 00:21:29,660
Did you know Nathaniel, Cater?
357
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:30,740
Yes, I did.
358
00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:32,670
Did you know him by nickname also?
359
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,520
I knew him as Silky.
360
00:21:34,740 --> 00:21:35,480
How did you know him?
361
00:21:35,860 --> 00:21:39,200
I knew him because we worked together
through a labor pool right down the street.
362
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,510
Did you have occasion to see Nathaniel,
Cater, on the Thursday night before he was
363
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:44,480
pulled from the river?
364
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,000
I saw Nathaniel, Cater, coming out to the
alto there.
365
00:21:48,540 --> 00:21:49,560
Was anybody with him?
366
00:21:50,220 --> 00:21:53,440
There was a man with Silky, and there were
two behind him.
367
00:21:53,860 --> 00:21:55,280
How would you characterize them?
368
00:21:55,820 --> 00:21:58,650
Well, the two behind him were dressed as
women.
369
00:21:58,660 --> 00:22:03,370
But they appeared to be men because they
didn't have any curves or anything like a
370
00:22:03,380 --> 00:22:07,380
woman. And the one with Silky, they were
holding hands.
371
00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:12,880
Did you get a good look at this fella that
was holding hands with Silky?
372
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,650
Yes. Now I want you to look around the
courtroom and tell us whether or not
373
00:22:16,660 --> 00:22:18,420
you see this person in the courtroom.
374
00:22:18,980 --> 00:22:19,920
Yes, I do.
375
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:21,360
Point him out?
376
00:22:22,360 --> 00:22:24,000
Sitting right there.
377
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:26,820
He's with you.
378
00:22:31,100 --> 00:22:34,420
Now when you saw Silky that night, was
anybody with you?
379
00:22:34,820 --> 00:22:35,700
No, just me.
380
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,700
Now you mentioned there were two people
behind Silky.
381
00:22:38,700 --> 00:22:39,250
Do you know them?
382
00:22:39,540 --> 00:22:40,260
No, I didn't.
383
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:41,280
Did you talk to them?
384
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:42,540
They just kept walking.
385
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,580
When you say Silky was holding hands with
Mr.
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00:22:46,620 --> 00:22:48,760
Williams, what are you trying to imply?
387
00:22:49,420 --> 00:22:51,160
I'm not trying to imply nothing.
388
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,720
Were you trying to imply they were
homosexuals?
389
00:22:53,900 --> 00:22:56,310
I'm trying to tell the jury they were
holding hands.
390
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:57,980
Now you saw Mr.
391
00:22:58,060 --> 00:23:01,070
Williams picture in the paper and you didn't
tell anybody about it, the law
392
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,440
enforcement officers. Did you feel that Mr.
393
00:23:04,580 --> 00:23:06,200
Williams had something to do with Mr.
394
00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:11,100
Cater? Yes. And you know he's been on trial
here since December 28th and we've been
395
00:23:11,140 --> 00:23:13,740
trying this case for five weeks or more?
396
00:23:14,540 --> 00:23:19,340
Right. And you didn't come forward and tell
anybody that you knew anything bad
397
00:23:19,740 --> 00:23:23,040
about Mr. Williams during that entire time?
398
00:23:23,300 --> 00:23:28,100
No. Have
399
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:34,120
you heard that there is a substantial reward
involved in this case?
400
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:35,920
I heard about it.
401
00:23:36,500 --> 00:23:39,200
And you wouldn't turn down any of that
reward, would you?
402
00:23:39,940 --> 00:23:40,740
Beg your pardon.
403
00:23:40,980 --> 00:23:42,860
If they off your money, you wouldn't turn it
down.
404
00:23:43,420 --> 00:23:45,840
Would nobody turn down money?
405
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:52,260
Are you the same Bobby Lee Henry that was
arrested and convicted for lawsony?
406
00:23:53,740 --> 00:23:58,540
Yes. Are you the same Bobby Lee Henry that
was convicted for disturbing
407
00:23:58,600 --> 00:23:59,520
the public peace?
408
00:24:00,140 --> 00:24:04,940
Right. Are you the same Bobby Lee Henry that
was arrested at East Point?
409
00:24:05,700 --> 00:24:09,830
Yes. And are you the same Bobby Lee Henry
that was last arrested on 7th January
410
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,760
1978? I don't know, could be.
411
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,600
I've been in jail lots of times.
412
00:24:16,660 --> 00:24:17,800
Lots of times?
413
00:24:18,300 --> 00:24:22,040
Yes. Thank you very much, that's all.
414
00:24:33,100 --> 00:24:36,840
Thank you. You didn't come forward about
this, did you?
415
00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:38,680
No. Why not?
416
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,860
I didn't want to get involved in it.
417
00:24:41,180 --> 00:24:42,980
And how is it you're down here today?
418
00:24:43,420 --> 00:24:44,940
The detective found me, you know.
419
00:24:45,180 --> 00:24:46,660
He's appealing me to be here.
420
00:24:46,860 --> 00:24:48,300
He asked me what I knew about it.
421
00:24:48,380 --> 00:24:50,460
I got off my chest, I told.
422
00:24:50,820 --> 00:24:51,600
Thank you.
423
00:24:55,580 --> 00:25:00,380
Homosexuality became such an issue that
later in the case, Binderfeld compelled
424
00:25:00,700 --> 00:25:05,480
to elicit this testimony from a singer named
Gwendolyn Marie Harden.
425
00:25:05,860 --> 00:25:07,260
You know the defendant Wayne Williams?
426
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:09,260
Yes, I do.
427
00:25:09,660 --> 00:25:11,380
Tell him how long you've known Wayne
Williams.
428
00:25:12,300 --> 00:25:13,380
About 11 years.
429
00:25:13,820 --> 00:25:16,420
You tell me whether he was serious about his
music business?
430
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,020
Oh, he was very serious.
431
00:25:18,500 --> 00:25:21,580
Little lady, I don't want to be personal
with you, but I have to be.
432
00:25:22,020 --> 00:25:26,820
Tell this jury whether or not you and Wayne
Williams were close friends, romantically
433
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:28,980
inclined or whatever.
434
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:32,620
All of them.
435
00:25:33,460 --> 00:25:34,600
Did he ever kiss you?
436
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:36,240
Yes, he did.
437
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,460
Could you tell the jury whether you had
affection for him?
438
00:25:41,180 --> 00:25:42,120
Yes, I did.
439
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,600
Have you ever been intimate with him?
440
00:25:45,900 --> 00:25:47,260
Have you had sex with him?
441
00:25:51,580 --> 00:25:52,680
Yes, I did.
442
00:25:53,660 --> 00:25:54,210
Thank you.
443
00:25:57,220 --> 00:25:58,740
Would you give us your name, please?
444
00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:00,840
Tia, but Bane.
445
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,460
Mr. Bane, did you know Larry Rogers?
446
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,020
Yes. Where was the last time you saw him?
447
00:26:10,300 --> 00:26:12,540
It was at Georgia's food service.
448
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:14,360
What happened?
449
00:26:15,380 --> 00:26:19,480
Well, Larry came up to me and he said,
450
00:26:20,780 --> 00:26:23,940
Breese, that's my nickname, Cool Breese.
451
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,900
He said, I want a joint.
452
00:26:28,980 --> 00:26:30,260
He said, me and my buddy over there, you
know.
453
00:26:30,700 --> 00:26:31,820
How did you see his friend?
454
00:26:33,180 --> 00:26:34,440
His friend was sitting in the car.
455
00:26:35,380 --> 00:26:36,540
He said, that's my buddy.
456
00:26:37,820 --> 00:26:39,880
I said, man, you ain't trying to bust me, is
you?
457
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:41,700
He said, no, no, no.
458
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,660
I said, okay, come on.
459
00:26:44,180 --> 00:26:45,400
You don't want number one joint?
460
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,960
You see, I don't call it a joint, I call it
a herb.
461
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,520
So, he got out the dollar, I said, come on.
462
00:26:55,060 --> 00:26:55,820
I took it.
463
00:26:56,500 --> 00:27:00,060
And we went to the White folks, and the
White folks gave him the joint.
464
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,780
Now, do you see the person in the courtroom
that you saw with Larry Rogers?
465
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,060
That gentleman right over there.
466
00:27:13,380 --> 00:27:14,160
Your witness.
467
00:27:18,380 --> 00:27:20,260
You say your name is Cool Breese?
468
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:21,560
That's what they call me.
469
00:27:21,980 --> 00:27:25,490
And when you saw the man you say you saw,
what kind of car was he
470
00:27:25,500 --> 00:27:29,800
in? It was a Nova, a Firebird or something.
471
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:31,220
What color was it?
472
00:27:32,140 --> 00:27:33,100
A two-toned car.
473
00:27:34,180 --> 00:27:36,700
Could have been black on top and red on the
bottom.
474
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:38,300
I can't say.
475
00:27:39,180 --> 00:27:41,640
What's green? It might be.
476
00:27:42,780 --> 00:27:43,820
Could have been green.
477
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:45,280
Could have been red.
478
00:27:46,260 --> 00:27:48,140
Yeah. Could have been red.
479
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,780
Might have been either one of those two
colors.
480
00:27:50,820 --> 00:27:52,240
Them are the ones you choose.
481
00:27:52,540 --> 00:27:53,340
I don't know.
482
00:27:53,660 --> 00:27:55,200
Well, just take any version I want to.
483
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,420
Yeah, you the man.
484
00:27:58,300 --> 00:28:00,040
I'm just here talking to you.
485
00:28:01,260 --> 00:28:06,060
Now, when you saw Wayne with Larry Rogers,
then they announced that Larry Rogers was
486
00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:07,880
dead. You didn't tell anyone, did you?
487
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,440
I didn't come forward because I didn't think
that they would believe me.
488
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,800
See, I had done some crimes before.
489
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,260
Did you tell this jury what kind of crimes
you were convicted for?
490
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:23,640
Gamlin. I see.
491
00:28:23,860 --> 00:28:24,410
What else?
492
00:28:25,740 --> 00:28:27,080
Driving without a license.
493
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:28,080
All right. What else?
494
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,220
Drugs. Do you ever serve any time?
495
00:28:34,020 --> 00:28:35,020
A few times.
496
00:28:35,620 --> 00:28:37,140
Were you ever in a hospital?
497
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,820
I had to go to one once to kick.
498
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,540
Kick? You know, to kick the habit.
499
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,180
Oh, to get rid of your habit.
500
00:28:48,060 --> 00:28:49,360
Right. I see.
501
00:28:50,220 --> 00:28:52,000
You got something stronger than marijuana
then?
502
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,200
Yep. What were you doing?
503
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,520
Were you shooting speed or something?
504
00:28:57,740 --> 00:28:59,620
Nope. What was it?
505
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,820
Boy. Arrowing?
506
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:05,720
That's it.
507
00:29:07,220 --> 00:29:08,540
You smoking joint now?
508
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,640
Yeah. Sure you do.
509
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,080
I smoke dope, makes you feel good, doesn't
it?
510
00:29:13,540 --> 00:29:14,800
It's better than we're worried.
511
00:29:14,860 --> 00:29:16,040
What sure it is.
512
00:29:17,220 --> 00:29:19,120
Smoking any before you came up here today?
513
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:20,640
A little bit?
514
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,640
I had a coffee in there.
515
00:29:24,060 --> 00:29:25,200
Had a little coffee?
516
00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:25,980
Had a little herb.
517
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:27,080
Right on.
518
00:29:30,860 --> 00:29:34,110
That old herb you put in your mouth and it
took a puff and made you
519
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,920
feel good, didn't it?
520
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,940
I wish I had 2,700,000 of them.
521
00:29:44,660 --> 00:29:45,880
Thank you very much.
522
00:29:46,780 --> 00:29:47,560
It's all you on it.
523
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,320
Mr. Toan, where do you work?
524
00:29:52,540 --> 00:29:53,800
Southern Ambulance Service.
525
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,160
Did you know Wayne Williams during this
period?
526
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,360
Yeah. I met him at the Ambulance Service.
527
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,160
Did you ever have an occasion to see him
exhibit his strength?
528
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,240
Yes, sir. We got into scuffles at times.
529
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,540
You look to be a pretty big fella.
530
00:30:07,980 --> 00:30:10,160
Tell us how much you weigh and how tall you
are.
531
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,380
6'1", 260 pounds.
532
00:30:12,620 --> 00:30:15,220
What would you say as far as Williams'
strength?
533
00:30:16,460 --> 00:30:19,640
For a man his size, he was far above average
strength, I would say.
534
00:30:20,420 --> 00:30:22,150
That little guy could handle himself pretty
good.
535
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,960
Now, did he ever confide in you his feelings
towards certain elements of
536
00:30:27,140 --> 00:30:31,850
his race? He asked me, had I ever considered
how many niggers he could
537
00:30:31,860 --> 00:30:33,960
eliminate by killing one nigger child?
538
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,330
By eliminating that child, that child
couldn't reproduce and his children
539
00:30:38,340 --> 00:30:39,840
couldn't reproduce and so forth.
540
00:30:40,100 --> 00:30:40,800
Along those lines.
541
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,310
That's all. Mr.
542
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:48,120
Binder. Now you talked a lot about Wayne's
attitude toward people of
543
00:30:48,140 --> 00:30:51,560
his race. When you addressed him, did you
always address him respectfully?
544
00:30:52,780 --> 00:30:55,460
No, sir. I never always addressed Wayne
respectfully.
545
00:30:56,140 --> 00:30:58,880
And you know what words are offensive to
black people, don't you?
546
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:00,360
I know a lot of them.
547
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,400
Let the record reflect that you are a member
of the Caucasian or white race,
548
00:31:05,540 --> 00:31:08,200
aren't you? I appear to be, yes, sir.
549
00:31:09,540 --> 00:31:10,800
Do you remember ever being in his house?
550
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,790
Yes, sir. You remember picking him up in
front of his mother in a bear hug
551
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:16,900
and holding him tight?
552
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,880
I'm not going to night, but I don't
remember.
553
00:31:21,100 --> 00:31:24,120
That's the fact that you shamed him in front
of his mother.
554
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,230
He couldn't get away from you and you was
holding him in a bear hug right
555
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:28,500
there in front of his own mother.
556
00:31:28,980 --> 00:31:29,920
I don't remember.
557
00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:34,720
Are you in your size and the state of your
strength?
558
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,520
Are you afraid of Wayne Williams?
559
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,420
I'm not afraid of anybody.
560
00:31:40,420 --> 00:31:42,580
No, sir. I'm not afraid of Wayne Williams
either.
561
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,580
You know, he's no match for human strength.
562
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:48,560
Isn't that the truth?
563
00:31:49,620 --> 00:31:52,000
I personally don't think he could be, no,
sir.
564
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,860
Were you and Wayne Williams good friends on
one occasion?
565
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,460
Yes, we were.
566
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:08,440
Now, can you tell me, from having seen him
on numerous occasions and talking to him,
567
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,340
if he had any particular hatred toward any
particular segment of his race?
568
00:32:14,220 --> 00:32:15,520
Just the poor kids.
569
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,070
Did you have an occasion to discuss this
with Wayne about his picking on kids when
570
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,200
you passed some on the street?
571
00:32:23,100 --> 00:32:25,940
Yes. Tell us about that conversation.
572
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,970
We were passing by some kids on the street
who were up very late and he
573
00:32:31,980 --> 00:32:33,400
said something to them.
574
00:32:33,940 --> 00:32:36,280
And I asked him, what in the world is wrong
with you?
575
00:32:36,820 --> 00:32:39,520
He said, they need to be off the street.
576
00:32:40,180 --> 00:32:44,910
So I said, I know you don't like kids like
that, but one day you're going
577
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,230
to keep messing with these children and
they're going to jump on you and beat you
578
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:53,040
up. His reply was, they could not beat me up
because
579
00:32:53,300 --> 00:32:55,440
I could knock them out.
580
00:32:57,420 --> 00:33:00,400
Now, did he indicate how he could knock them
out?
581
00:33:01,460 --> 00:33:04,370
He said, all you need to do is just take
some part of your neck and
582
00:33:04,380 --> 00:33:07,680
press against it and a person could be
knocked out within seconds.
583
00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:11,200
Now, did he put his hand to his throat like
you did just now?
584
00:33:11,580 --> 00:33:16,380
Yes. Now, I want to go back to the so
585
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,880
-called bridge incident.
586
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,300
Did Wayne come and see you?
587
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,900
Yes. What happened?
588
00:33:25,740 --> 00:33:30,540
I said, Wayne, I go along with anything
else, but
589
00:33:30,780 --> 00:33:33,520
just give me a reason why you be on the
bridge.
590
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,620
He said, don't worry about it because he was
going to sue.
591
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,780
He was going to sue the news media and stuff
and he'd get money.
592
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,880
So I said, well, you are playing a game with
people's lives.
593
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:51,440
I said, Wayne, will you confess before
594
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:52,420
you get hurt?
595
00:33:52,940 --> 00:33:57,740
I said, if they get enough evidence on you
before you get hurt, will
596
00:33:58,540 --> 00:33:59,280
you confess?
597
00:34:01,620 --> 00:34:04,280
And Wayne Williams said, yes.
598
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,880
With friends like this, you don't need any
enemies.
599
00:34:09,060 --> 00:34:10,620
Yeah, well, she gives a friend of mine.
600
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,560
I want you to ask her something.
601
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,740
I want you to ask her whether she feels like
killing him.
602
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,120
You know what I'm going to do with that,
Wayne?
603
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:17,760
Yes, I do.
604
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:18,590
I won't do it.
605
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,970
Well, now you told me once in cases that you
tried, the defendant has the right
606
00:34:22,980 --> 00:34:25,860
to call his own shots because it's his life
that's involved.
607
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,720
That's right. Well, I want you to ask her
whether she feels like killing him.
608
00:34:31,740 --> 00:34:33,140
Are you Wayne friend?
609
00:34:37,620 --> 00:34:38,980
I like Wayne.
610
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:45,070
When Wayne Williams was discovered at the
bridge and then arrested, your friendship
611
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,660
form sort of passed away, didn't it?
612
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:53,160
No. You really became ashamed that you even
knew him, didn't
613
00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:58,010
you? No. It's just that I don't think the
people understand that Wayne is weird and
614
00:34:58,020 --> 00:34:59,320
he has a split personality.
615
00:35:00,020 --> 00:35:01,280
I think he needs help.
616
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,520
Wayne, I really don't want to ask that
question.
617
00:35:08,660 --> 00:35:10,700
Look, I'm telling you to ask it.
618
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,460
Are you trying to animate to this jury that
you think Wayne Williams killed somebody?
619
00:35:25,500 --> 00:35:27,040
Is that what you're trying to tell this
jury?
620
00:35:29,740 --> 00:35:31,740
Do you actually want me to say?
621
00:35:33,860 --> 00:35:36,780
Do you know he's killed somebody?
622
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,160
You know I don't.
623
00:35:41,580 --> 00:35:42,260
Thank you.
624
00:35:55,260 --> 00:35:57,680
Would you like to answer that question now?
625
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:00,480
What question?
626
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:03,480
I believe Mr.
627
00:36:03,540 --> 00:36:06,700
Byron's question was, do you think he killed
somebody?
628
00:36:08,860 --> 00:36:13,340
Are you asking me do I think Wayne Williams
killed somebody?
629
00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:14,360
Yes, ma'am.
630
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:17,680
I think he killed somebody.
631
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,740
Yes. I do.
632
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:31,720
I really feel that Wayne Williams killed
somebody.
633
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:33,960
And I'm sorry.
634
00:36:44,460 --> 00:36:46,830
My heart bled for Homer and Fay Williams.
635
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,820
For over 40 years they had been school
teachers.
636
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,520
Now they were shunned by even their closest
friends.
637
00:36:53,860 --> 00:36:54,410
How you do?
638
00:36:54,780 --> 00:36:55,330
B.C.D.
639
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:04,400
Mr. Williams, what kind of interest did
Wayne develop when he was 12 or
640
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:05,460
14 years old?
641
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:11,320
Wayne built his own radio station down in
the basement when he was
642
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,930
14. Did you have any financial part in that?
643
00:37:14,940 --> 00:37:18,220
Wayne had put his heart, time.
644
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:20,820
I had put my money into it.
645
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,300
My wife had put her money into it.
646
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,520
I bought a lot of equipment.
647
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:29,820
So as a result of that we had to go
bankrupt.
648
00:37:31,860 --> 00:37:36,560
Mr. Williams, did you bear any ill feeling
or hard feeling toward your son over there?
649
00:37:37,620 --> 00:37:39,700
No, not at all.
650
00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:44,900
If I had it to do over, I'd do it again.
651
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:46,800
Did you consider yourself a failure?
652
00:37:48,380 --> 00:37:53,180
No. Young as Wayne was, I certainly couldn't
consider
653
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,040
him a failure.
654
00:37:56,100 --> 00:37:58,280
Now what is the state of Mrs.
655
00:37:58,400 --> 00:37:58,950
Williams' health?
656
00:38:01,260 --> 00:38:03,440
She had a radicum mastectomy.
657
00:38:04,500 --> 00:38:05,700
She has cancer.
658
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:07,720
She still is on chemotherapy.
659
00:38:08,740 --> 00:38:13,540
When Mrs. Williams was home from the
hospital after surgery, was
660
00:38:14,260 --> 00:38:16,680
she confined to the house for any length of
time?
661
00:38:17,540 --> 00:38:22,340
Yes. Are there any parts of the house to
which she does
662
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:23,780
not have access?
663
00:38:24,220 --> 00:38:28,400
No. Is it possible that Wayne could be an
inheritance?
664
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,720
Killing children in your house and you and
Mrs.
665
00:38:31,780 --> 00:38:32,980
Williams not atone about it?
666
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,590
I don't believe my son would hurt anyone.
667
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,970
But it would not be possible with my wife at
home all the time with her
668
00:38:39,980 --> 00:38:41,540
illness. No, sir.
669
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:47,720
Now the prosecution at one point suggested
that perhaps Wayne
670
00:38:47,780 --> 00:38:50,480
chloroform children in your house.
671
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:57,320
Does Wayne keep any strange or unusual
chemicals in your house such as chloroform?
672
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,200
No. I wouldn't allow that in my home.
673
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,860
I was a teacher in the Atlanta Public School
system.
674
00:39:12,780 --> 00:39:15,670
Would you be kind enough to tell us how many
years did you teach in this
675
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,160
city? 32 years.
676
00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:22,260
Would it embarrass you to tell a jury how
old you were when Wayne was born?
677
00:39:23,300 --> 00:39:28,100
41. Now, when Wayne was born, would you tell
a jury whether or
678
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,800
not he was a planned child?
679
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:31,680
He wasn't planned.
680
00:39:32,380 --> 00:39:33,840
He was our miracle child.
681
00:39:35,140 --> 00:39:39,710
That's all. Tell the jury, what did you
understand your son was going to do in
682
00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:40,500
the music business?
683
00:39:41,620 --> 00:39:46,420
He wanted to work with young people because
the black music field was playing
684
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,400
out and he felt like that new talent needed
to be introduced.
685
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,580
Now, I know telephone calls you took.
686
00:39:53,580 --> 00:39:56,940
But there always be calls from young men or
were there any calls from women?
687
00:39:57,620 --> 00:40:02,420
I took calls from young old boys, girls,
black and white inquiring about
688
00:40:02,860 --> 00:40:03,500
his group.
689
00:40:05,580 --> 00:40:08,580
Did they ever leave their telephone numbers
if Wayne wasn't there?
690
00:40:10,460 --> 00:40:15,260
I remember a young lady calling wanting to
set up an appointment to
691
00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:15,980
have an audition.
692
00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:17,840
You remember her name?
693
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:23,480
Cheryl Johnson. The woman my son went
looking for the night they say
694
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,860
that he threw a body into the water.
695
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,220
Did she give you the telephone number?
696
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:29,700
Yes, she did.
697
00:40:30,220 --> 00:40:33,080
And I wrote it down on a piece of paper and
gave it to Wayne.
698
00:40:34,020 --> 00:40:37,920
Was Wayne a problem child in any way?
699
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:44,360
No. Have you ever witnessed your son commit
any type of
700
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,020
violent act whatsoever?
701
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,800
Never. Now, you've heard the names of
Nathaniel Cater and Jimmy Ray
702
00:40:51,940 --> 00:40:54,320
Payne that your son is charged with murder.
703
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,800
Have you ever seen or heard the names of
those individuals
704
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,500
regarding your son?
705
00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:04,340
No, I have not.
706
00:41:06,100 --> 00:41:09,980
And may I say something to add to that if
it's permissible?
707
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:10,710
Yes, ma'am.
708
00:41:12,180 --> 00:41:16,980
Having worked in this community for about 32
years, I am a lover of
709
00:41:17,140 --> 00:41:20,600
children. I was very grieve for their
parents.
710
00:41:20,660 --> 00:41:21,440
It hurt me.
711
00:41:21,860 --> 00:41:23,560
Just like it hurt other people.
712
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:30,480
But deep down in my heart, I don't think
those children were killed by any
713
00:41:30,780 --> 00:41:31,620
young person.
714
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:34,720
That's something.
715
00:41:40,260 --> 00:41:42,980
Did you visit Wayne in his home from time to
time?
716
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,720
Yes, sir. Will you tell us if anything what
happened between Wayne Williams and
717
00:41:48,980 --> 00:41:49,730
his mother and father?
718
00:41:49,740 --> 00:41:53,620
Well, Wayne asked his dad to write him a
check for something.
719
00:41:54,740 --> 00:41:59,130
His dad wouldn't sign the check, so Wayne
started cussing, started trying to get him
720
00:41:59,140 --> 00:41:59,780
and push him.
721
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,030
And when his mother was trying to keep him
away from his dad, pushed out of
722
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,500
the way and he slapped her.
723
00:42:05,780 --> 00:42:06,600
He slapped his mother?
724
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,860
Yeah, and he jumped on top of his dad or
something.
725
00:42:10,620 --> 00:42:13,740
He was choking him, trying to stop him.
726
00:42:13,900 --> 00:42:15,780
He had his hands on his daddy's throat?
727
00:42:16,700 --> 00:42:18,780
Yeah. What happened there?
728
00:42:19,220 --> 00:42:21,140
That's when his daddy went for a shotgun.
729
00:42:21,900 --> 00:42:25,250
Came back in there and started cussing, said
something like...
730
00:42:25,260 --> 00:42:26,260
We're starting cursing!
731
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,080
Wayne. What did his daddy do?
732
00:42:34,260 --> 00:42:36,000
Daddy was pointing a gun at him.
733
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,180
Said he'd shoot his head off.
734
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:43,320
Did you ever have any problem with Sheldon
camp that you can recall?
735
00:42:44,020 --> 00:42:45,700
Yes. What was it?
736
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,060
Well, it was after Wayne had asked Sheldon
to leave the group.
737
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,020
Why didn't he ask him to leave the group?
738
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,700
Well, he had asked my husband to me that if
he was going to continue singing,
739
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:57,860
he needed a minibike.
740
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,000
And we had to come up with it right away.
741
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,100
What did you say to him?
742
00:43:02,500 --> 00:43:05,890
Well, I explained to him that Wayne didn't
have money, that all money that had been
743
00:43:05,900 --> 00:43:07,560
invested in the effort had come from us.
744
00:43:07,900 --> 00:43:11,080
So he proceeded to get very in-victimant
with me.
745
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,480
And I asked him to leave.
746
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:18,280
Do you know of any knock-down drag-out fight
that Wayne
747
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:19,640
ever had with his daddy?
748
00:43:20,420 --> 00:43:25,220
No. Were you ever so seriously at odds with
one another that it got
749
00:43:25,340 --> 00:43:27,800
to be huge family trauma or something?
750
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,040
No. Oh, but at times they are getting you
worried.
751
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:34,400
Of course, it's a normal family.
752
00:43:36,260 --> 00:43:40,840
And I resent them bringing in somebody like
Sheldon Kemp.
753
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,740
Who we were kind to and tried to help.
754
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,520
And it would say those things about us.
755
00:43:48,940 --> 00:43:51,040
May I say something, Your Honor?
756
00:43:51,420 --> 00:43:56,220
Yes. Now, I want to tell you
757
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,220
what you have accomplished and what you have
not accomplished.
758
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:05,030
Wayne's character has been drugged through
the mud.
759
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:09,840
My husband's character has been drugged
through
760
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:12,280
the mud. Mine has been drugged.
761
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:18,040
In fact, they have ruined the Williams
family and they continue to lie and lie.
762
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:23,400
But they have not produced evidence that my
son is a killer.
763
00:44:30,380 --> 00:44:33,440
Now, Wayne, you don't mind me calling you
Wayne, do you?
764
00:44:33,700 --> 00:44:36,600
No. You've been friends over these last few
months, haven't you?
765
00:44:36,820 --> 00:44:37,370
That's right.
766
00:44:38,780 --> 00:44:41,580
I want you to speak out because this is your
day in court.
767
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:42,980
I want the jury to hear you.
768
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:45,540
I'm scared.
769
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:51,570
Now, somewhere or another during this trial,
it's dawned on you that they have
770
00:44:51,580 --> 00:44:54,660
tried to depict you as a person who doesn't
like poor people.
771
00:44:55,020 --> 00:44:55,900
You got that, didn't you?
772
00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:57,800
Yeah, I heard that.
773
00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:04,450
Wayne, look at the jury and tell me, do you
have anything in your heart against
774
00:45:04,460 --> 00:45:07,000
poor people? Look, I'm poor myself.
775
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,480
I didn't even have enough money to pay you.
776
00:45:10,260 --> 00:45:14,670
Look at the jury and tell me whether or not
you are a homosexual or have
777
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,380
any sexual hang-up.
778
00:45:17,580 --> 00:45:19,720
Now, there ain't no way that I'm no
homosexual.
779
00:45:19,940 --> 00:45:20,490
No, uh-uh.
780
00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:22,500
All right. Now, I mean, I put it like this.
781
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,250
I don't have no grudge against them.
782
00:45:24,260 --> 00:45:27,570
I mean, just as long as they keep their
hands to themselves and stay away from
783
00:45:27,580 --> 00:45:28,200
me, I'm all right.
784
00:45:28,300 --> 00:45:29,780
Hey, but just don't come near me.
785
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:35,000
All right. Now, the boy was up here and
testified that you were feeling
786
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,100
it. Yeah, well, he's a bare-faced lie.
787
00:45:37,700 --> 00:45:42,240
And there was someone come up here and said
they saw you and Mr.
788
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,440
Cater holding hands downtown just shortly
before he died.
789
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,040
Now, I ain't been holding hands with no man.
790
00:45:48,940 --> 00:45:53,740
You realize that you were charged with the
murder of
791
00:45:54,140 --> 00:45:55,120
two individuals, Mr.
792
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:55,760
Cater and Mr.
793
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,440
Payne? Yes, I do.
794
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,380
Now, tell the jury, Wayne, did you ever know
either of these two men?
795
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,120
I don't know them, and I have never seen
them in my life.
796
00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:13,500
Have you ever taken your hands and put them
around anybody's neck and choked them to
797
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:18,400
death? Never. Have you ever taken a knife in
your hand and
798
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,800
put that knife into somebody else's body?
799
00:46:21,540 --> 00:46:26,340
No. Have you ever taken a rope and put that
rope around somebody's neck and
800
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:28,120
squeezed them to death?
801
00:46:29,100 --> 00:46:29,650
No, sir.
802
00:46:31,220 --> 00:46:34,300
Do you know the deceased master Jojo Bell?
803
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,100
No. Do you know Patrick Baltazar?
804
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:38,230
No, no, I didn't.
805
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:43,040
But I went down the list of every young
person of
806
00:46:43,220 --> 00:46:48,020
the ten patterns the judge led in, including
Nathaniel, Cater and Mr.
807
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,460
Payne. Would your answer be the same?
808
00:46:51,060 --> 00:46:52,140
Look, I haven't killed anybody.
809
00:46:55,240 --> 00:46:55,790
Now, Wayne,
810
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,240
before I turn you over to the prosecution,
across examination,
811
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,700
is there anything I haven't asked you that
you want to say to this jury?
812
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,740
Look, I know that I have not done anything
wrong.
813
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:11,860
That's all.
814
00:47:16,260 --> 00:47:17,340
Go with us.
815
00:47:33,100 --> 00:47:36,940
Why did you select the name Gemini for your
group?
816
00:47:37,580 --> 00:47:38,700
Well, it's my birthday.
817
00:47:40,620 --> 00:47:42,420
Does it have another significance?
818
00:47:43,100 --> 00:47:45,130
Well, every birth date has a significance.
819
00:47:45,140 --> 00:47:47,320
I mean, if you believe in horoscopes, yeah.
820
00:47:48,180 --> 00:47:51,120
It means duels or twins, doesn't it?
821
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,900
Like Jekyll and Hyde.
822
00:47:53,780 --> 00:47:58,580
No. Is this the evidence that you're
threatening to unleash against me, Mr.
823
00:47:58,860 --> 00:48:03,000
Myler? Now, Mr.
824
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,920
Henry testified that he saw you holding
hands with Nathaniel
825
00:48:08,140 --> 00:48:12,940
Cater. Do you have any idea why he would
come in here and lie
826
00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:16,260
about that? Well, in the first place, he
ain't see me holding hands with no man,
827
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,880
Mr. Because I didn't told you I don't hold
hands with no man, no way.
828
00:48:21,340 --> 00:48:22,300
Why did you do it then?
829
00:48:22,740 --> 00:48:26,430
With the reward as high as it is in this
case, I'd probably get out there
830
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:27,260
and lie myself.
831
00:48:31,420 --> 00:48:33,040
You ever threatened your father with
violence?
832
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,260
No. You never sold it to him, joked him?
833
00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:41,040
As big as my daddy is.
834
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:46,240
No. He's
835
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:48,280
impressing the jury.
836
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:49,430
I know it.
837
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:51,720
I can feel it.
838
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,020
But I can't shake him, Lewis.
839
00:48:55,380 --> 00:48:56,220
You shake him?
840
00:48:57,020 --> 00:48:58,780
He don't call you blood mallet for nothing.
841
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,500
I'm not getting much blood now.
842
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:02,320
Well, you'll do it.
843
00:49:03,140 --> 00:49:04,120
Just take your time, Jack.
844
00:49:06,180 --> 00:49:07,240
Keep him on the stand.
845
00:49:08,620 --> 00:49:10,360
I don't care if it takes days.
846
00:49:10,580 --> 00:49:11,900
I don't care if it takes a week.
847
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,120
You know, this little man has got a high
opinion of himself.
848
00:49:16,220 --> 00:49:19,160
He'll do everything to protect his own high
estimate of himself.
849
00:49:20,980 --> 00:49:22,600
Ask him about those record deals.
850
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:24,820
Ask him if he's really a pilot.
851
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,380
Ask him if he considers himself a failure.
852
00:49:28,740 --> 00:49:32,020
I'm just a little afraid he won't lose that
damn composure of his.
853
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:38,780
Instead of him cracking, I'm afraid I might
crack.
854
00:49:40,900 --> 00:49:42,200
Just do what I say.
855
00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:43,960
You'll see.
856
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:45,920
He'll crack.
857
00:49:47,220 --> 00:49:49,800
And when he does, the jury will see that
other side of him.
858
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,510
The side they've been wondering about him is
a pudgy little boy with the thick
859
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:55,600
glasses and the afro.
860
00:49:56,660 --> 00:50:01,460
The side that just might take little
children by
861
00:50:01,700 --> 00:50:02,250
the throat.
862
00:50:03,340 --> 00:50:05,120
Squeeze the life out of them.
863
00:50:05,620 --> 00:50:10,420
Whether it's because he's homosexual or
asexual or wanting
864
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:12,580
to improve the race.
865
00:50:14,860 --> 00:50:15,860
They'll see Jim and I.
866
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,480
They'll see Jekyll and Hyde.
867
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:26,040
How do you think it went?
868
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:28,420
How do you think it went fine?
869
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,720
Wait, now you sound like you don't think it
went fine.
870
00:50:33,340 --> 00:50:35,780
No, it did very well.
871
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:41,640
But? Well, you'll find
872
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,760
you're articulate, even a sense of humor.
873
00:50:45,540 --> 00:50:47,010
But what's missing is...
874
00:50:47,020 --> 00:50:47,880
What, man? What?
875
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:53,130
Well, I know if I don't understand from my
life, there were concoctin lies about me
876
00:50:53,140 --> 00:50:54,300
killing 29 people.
877
00:50:54,500 --> 00:50:56,870
I don't think I'd be able to have the
composure you had.
878
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,860
The coolness you had.
879
00:50:59,660 --> 00:51:02,000
Indignation. Anger. That's what's missing.
880
00:51:02,060 --> 00:51:03,520
But what do you want me to do?
881
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:07,940
Mallard is a cool one.
882
00:51:08,060 --> 00:51:10,480
He's after your juggler every minute.
883
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:12,680
Nobody expects you to be the same.
884
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,780
Look, I've been filming a lot of things,
man.
885
00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:17,960
I just didn't know whether or not I should
express them.
886
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,940
Express them? I want them to see a real
human being up there.
887
00:51:23,180 --> 00:51:25,840
I want them to see the real Wayne William.
888
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:35,050
Since graduating from high school, do you
feel that you've failed to receive that
889
00:51:35,060 --> 00:51:37,560
type of recognition that you earlier had in
life?
890
00:51:38,700 --> 00:51:40,140
A lot of people have gotten attention.
891
00:51:40,860 --> 00:51:45,460
You felt, because you had a radio station
while you were still young, a teenager,
892
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,600
that you were destined for great things?
893
00:51:49,180 --> 00:51:53,980
Look, you got a profile on who you believe
done these killings in Atlanta, and
894
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,850
you are trying your best to make these folks
feel better.
895
00:51:56,860 --> 00:52:00,250
You know, the real thing is that I fit into
that profile, and part of your
896
00:52:00,260 --> 00:52:01,580
profile's got to do with attention.
897
00:52:02,020 --> 00:52:06,040
Hey, well, hey, I'm not going to Bike here
and aid you in doing that.
898
00:52:10,700 --> 00:52:12,260
What else is in that profile?
899
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:13,720
You published it in the newspaper.
900
00:52:13,900 --> 00:52:16,420
Why don't you just pull your newspaper and
read it?
901
00:52:18,820 --> 00:52:21,220
Don't you feel that you need attention?
902
00:52:21,900 --> 00:52:23,420
I just answered the question.
903
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,630
Isn't it true that you've been gaining
publicity from the first day you became a
904
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,300
suspect? Yeah, it's true, but I didn't want
it.
905
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,900
And why did you hold a press conference on
June 4th?
906
00:52:34,860 --> 00:52:39,210
Isn't it true that at least you fit the
profile of being a person who needs
907
00:52:39,220 --> 00:52:44,020
attention? Isn't it true that this was your
center
908
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,400
stage, that this was your challenge of a
lifetime?
909
00:52:48,940 --> 00:52:50,840
You must be a fool.
910
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:57,360
Isn't it true that you consider this whole
thing a contest between you and the police?
911
00:52:59,020 --> 00:53:03,820
No. Mr. Williams, were you playing cat and
mouse with the police?
912
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,680
Look, I don't have any intention of playing
cat and mouse with anybody.
913
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,930
You have harassed me, you've harassed my
friends, my friends, and everybody else
914
00:53:10,940 --> 00:53:13,760
trying to put your Lord too bits worth a
mess together.
915
00:53:16,740 --> 00:53:20,750
In fact, in your news conference, you
bragged about it.
916
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,840
The point was, it was the sloppiest
surveillance that there ever was.
917
00:53:25,020 --> 00:53:26,980
I mean, even a two-year-old child could have
made that.
918
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:28,800
You were proud of that, weren't you?
919
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:29,740
No, I wasn't.
920
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,660
As a matter of fact, hey, it makes you all
look stupid, not me.
921
00:53:35,140 --> 00:53:39,940
In your news conference, you said, I
922
00:53:40,060 --> 00:53:42,410
made them probably in the first hour or two.
923
00:53:42,420 --> 00:53:43,040
Did you say that?
924
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:44,320
I certainly did.
925
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,770
You were proud of that, weren't you?
926
00:53:46,780 --> 00:53:47,910
No, I wasn't.
927
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,220
Do you remember the question asked you?
928
00:53:50,660 --> 00:53:53,360
You tend to laugh when you talk about the
police.
929
00:53:53,460 --> 00:53:54,100
Do you remember that?
930
00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:55,340
I sure did laugh, Adam.
931
00:53:55,480 --> 00:54:00,280
Yes, sir. And you replied, I would say, if I
had to make comparison, I would
932
00:54:00,300 --> 00:54:05,100
compare the FBI to the Keystone cops and the
Atlanta police to car 54, where I
933
00:54:05,140 --> 00:54:07,600
am. I sure did, and I will say it again
today.
934
00:54:08,780 --> 00:54:12,850
Now, there are witnesses who have testified
that they've seen scratches on the top of
935
00:54:12,860 --> 00:54:14,020
your arms and your face.
936
00:54:14,100 --> 00:54:16,250
Yeah, well, I challenge you to find those
scratches.
937
00:54:16,260 --> 00:54:21,060
My question is, did any of these victims
scratch you while you were choking the life
938
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:22,000
out of them?
939
00:54:22,060 --> 00:54:25,690
No. Isn't it true that while you were
choking them to death with their last
940
00:54:25,700 --> 00:54:28,520
breath, they were scratching your arms and
your face?
941
00:54:28,780 --> 00:54:31,010
Did you experience any panic at any point
there?
942
00:54:31,020 --> 00:54:34,470
At what? At any point during the time you
were killing these victims.
943
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:35,960
Sir, I haven't killed anybody!
944
00:54:36,180 --> 00:54:37,120
You killed them!
945
00:54:37,140 --> 00:54:37,830
Isn't that true?
946
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,060
I'm telling you what happened.
947
00:54:39,660 --> 00:54:42,160
I'm not lying about knowing any of these
victims.
948
00:54:42,700 --> 00:54:46,300
I feel just as sorry for them and their
families as anybody else in this world.
949
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:47,660
I didn't want to see this happen.
950
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,320
As a matter of fact, hey, I'm 23 years old.
951
00:54:50,980 --> 00:54:54,460
Who knows? I might have ended up one of
those dead persons out there.
952
00:54:56,780 --> 00:54:58,700
That's all. Thank you.
953
00:55:06,540 --> 00:55:08,040
They calling me Dr.
954
00:55:08,260 --> 00:55:09,180
Jekyll and Mr.
955
00:55:09,260 --> 00:55:11,120
Hyde. Sorry, Wayne.
956
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:15,820
Jekyll and Hyde.
957
00:55:16,460 --> 00:55:17,360
It's not a house, Paul.
958
00:55:17,700 --> 00:55:19,300
He didn't tell you to call him out or to
fool.
959
00:55:19,340 --> 00:55:21,080
No, at first I was too cool.
960
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:23,720
And nobody could be that cool.
961
00:55:25,860 --> 00:55:29,720
The next time you have a client who's on
trial for his life, Mr.
962
00:55:29,820 --> 00:55:34,620
Binder, don't tell him to show his real
feelings.
963
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,450
Thanks, Jack. Thanks, Jack.
964
00:55:45,460 --> 00:55:47,760
Would you people kind of take your trays
elsewhere, please?
965
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:49,100
What's the matter?
966
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:50,260
We always have lunch with you.
967
00:55:50,380 --> 00:55:53,500
Now that the trial is over, I can let some
of my real feelings show through.
968
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,060
I think it'll improve my intergestion.
969
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:56,480
Hey, there's no beef with us, Jack.
970
00:55:57,020 --> 00:55:58,900
We gave you plenty of space when you put the
force.
971
00:55:59,020 --> 00:56:01,120
You gave me space because you thought it
would make a good story.
972
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,510
I guess you thought this would make a good
story, too, didn't you?
973
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:04,540
Yes, I did.
974
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:08,740
Funny, I didn't see it like that.
975
00:56:09,020 --> 00:56:10,480
Maybe you and I went to two different
trials.
976
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:11,340
What do you see?
977
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:14,400
This young man was perfect for you from the
beginning, wasn't he?
978
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,240
Nobody can relate much to an oddball like
Wayne Williams.
979
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,460
He may very well be guilty, and then again,
he may not.
980
00:56:19,860 --> 00:56:21,280
I'm saying I don't honestly know.
981
00:56:21,380 --> 00:56:24,430
I've been a cop for 18 years, and I've
helped put people behind bars for the
982
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,920
rest of their life, and I still don't know
if they're guilty for sure.
983
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,920
The two people never bothered to entertain
doubts like that, do you?
984
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,480
Come on, he's guilty as hell.
985
00:56:32,100 --> 00:56:32,930
You're so sure of that?
986
00:56:32,940 --> 00:56:33,720
Of course I am.
987
00:56:34,340 --> 00:56:35,160
What was the motive?
988
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:38,280
What was the motive, Jerry?
989
00:56:38,380 --> 00:56:39,820
Come on, you're so damn sure of yourself.
990
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:40,440
What was it?
991
00:56:41,380 --> 00:56:42,700
He found fame at 14.
992
00:56:43,420 --> 00:56:44,800
From then on, his life was downhill.
993
00:56:45,060 --> 00:56:46,000
He needed attention.
994
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,980
Downhill? He was 21 when the murder started.
995
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,320
You're trying to tell me his life was
downhill at 21?
996
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:52,600
What the hell were you doing at 21?
997
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:54,440
He was a homosexual.
998
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:55,560
He used those kids.
999
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:59,090
Nobody ever proved he was a homosexual, and
even if he was, and he did use
1000
00:56:59,100 --> 00:57:00,350
them, why would he kill them?
1001
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:01,700
No, I think it's just the opposite.
1002
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,870
I think he hated homosexuals, and he was
punishing them because he was afraid of
1003
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,060
homosexuality in himself.
1004
00:57:07,180 --> 00:57:08,720
He was washed up at 21.
1005
00:57:08,860 --> 00:57:09,410
He was a homosexual.
1006
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,880
He hated homosexuals and killed to improve
his race.
1007
00:57:11,900 --> 00:57:13,280
Boy, there's something there for everyone in
there.
1008
00:57:13,700 --> 00:57:14,880
What are you so angry about?
1009
00:57:17,180 --> 00:57:18,980
There were things to write about in this
case.
1010
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:20,360
I mean really important things.
1011
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,960
Like the lack of attention given to
homicides of poor minority kids.
1012
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:25,120
Like the use of pattern.
1013
00:57:25,340 --> 00:57:26,500
Like the use of the fibers.
1014
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,270
And whether it really is substantial when
there is no supporting evidence.
1015
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,720
Things that could affect the judicial system
for years to come.
1016
00:57:32,980 --> 00:57:34,550
But none of these things will be dealt with,
will they?
1017
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,370
No. Because the rest of the world thinks you
people know what the hell you're
1018
00:57:37,380 --> 00:57:41,040
writing about. And that this was the case of
the black, mad homosexual killer.
1019
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,490
With elements of the appeal of every
prejudiced superstition and hang up in our
1020
00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:48,550
contemporary society. I don't know whether
you people are unimaginative, uninformed,
1021
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:49,500
or just plain stupid.
1022
00:57:54,660 --> 00:57:55,780
What a wild character.
1023
00:57:56,420 --> 00:57:59,540
It's been involved so long with this case,
he's finally gone off the deep end.
1024
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:02,220
I don't know.
1025
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,420
I'm not very proud of the way we covered
this case.
1026
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:08,630
Are you?
1027
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:14,390
I told Wayne-Wayne to get on that witness
stand, and it was his day in
1028
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,720
court, and to say it like it is.
1029
00:58:17,620 --> 00:58:21,620
Now, Mr. Slayton don't like the way Old
Wayne talked to you.
1030
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:23,300
Blame me.
1031
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:29,000
Because I told Wayne-Williams, he is as good
as anybody.
1032
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:36,040
Now, they are talking 12 murders and
inferred 29, and
1033
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:37,720
what have they got to offer?
1034
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,920
Gosset in Uendo, Snez.
1035
00:58:41,900 --> 00:58:43,500
Your mama cooks movies, doesn't she?
1036
00:58:44,020 --> 00:58:45,640
It's if something's wrong with that.
1037
00:58:46,900 --> 00:58:48,680
You know, all about the streets of Atlanta.
1038
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,620
Don't you? Well, of course he does.
1039
00:58:50,740 --> 00:58:51,660
He lives here.
1040
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:52,880
He was raised here.
1041
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,100
Haven't made much money yet, have you?
1042
00:58:58,540 --> 00:59:00,980
23 years old, and still living at home.
1043
00:59:01,740 --> 00:59:02,440
Listen, folks,
1044
00:59:03,820 --> 00:59:08,620
if that makes a man guilty of murder, then
I'm guilty of murder because
1045
00:59:09,300 --> 00:59:13,140
I lived with my mama and daddy till I was
25.
1046
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,700
The prosecution then said, well, we'll call
him a homosexual.
1047
00:59:20,060 --> 00:59:22,000
Prosecutions? The prosecution takes
1048
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:24,980
a little blood to every cut.
1049
00:59:26,060 --> 00:59:29,840
And if you bleed a man enough, he soon dies.
1050
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:34,200
But there was no evidence he was a
homosexual.
1051
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:39,070
They then stated he was a bigot and wanted
to improve the race by killing black
1052
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:43,360
children. Ladies and gentlemen, if he's that
insane, he belongs in the saner salon,
1053
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:44,160
not in the courtroom.
1054
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:46,310
But that isn't all of it.
1055
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:51,120
Oh, they would have you believe that
1056
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,400
he has supernatural strength.
1057
00:59:56,200 --> 01:00:01,000
Enough to pick up a body which is dead
weight, lifted over
1058
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:06,040
a rail completely, without leaving any skin
whatsoever, and without
1059
01:00:06,300 --> 01:00:11,100
the body showing any evidence of any scrapes
or scratches on
1060
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:12,690
it from that rail.
1061
01:00:12,700 --> 01:00:17,500
They tell you that this boy performed a
great feat of strength.
1062
01:00:20,420 --> 01:00:25,080
This pudgy, fat little boy.
1063
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,260
And I'm calling you boy because you're about
the same age as my son.
1064
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:32,120
Get up.
1065
01:00:35,140 --> 01:00:36,020
Get up!
1066
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:40,840
Go over there to that jury.
1067
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,900
If you think this is strength,
1068
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:53,940
put out your hand.
1069
01:00:55,020 --> 01:00:55,900
Let them feel them.
1070
01:00:58,260 --> 01:00:59,380
Feel his hands.
1071
01:00:59,980 --> 01:01:01,660
Go ahead, feel the palms.
1072
01:01:03,460 --> 01:01:04,480
But look at them.
1073
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:05,940
Touch them.
1074
01:01:11,900 --> 01:01:12,670
Look at him.
1075
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,320
There is no muscle there.
1076
01:01:16,380 --> 01:01:18,400
If you don't believe it, touch him.
1077
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,000
And he's not sinister either.
1078
01:01:31,820 --> 01:01:36,620
Do you realize that not one mother of any
deceased child is testified
1079
01:01:36,780 --> 01:01:37,700
against this defendant?
1080
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:39,420
Do you realize that Mrs.
1081
01:01:39,540 --> 01:01:42,000
Payne has not testified against this
defendant?
1082
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:44,200
And even no Wayne.
1083
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:50,480
You keep hearing again and again that Wayne
Williams must be
1084
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:55,480
guilty because the murders have stopped, but
are you sure the
1085
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,300
murders have stopped?
1086
01:02:01,540 --> 01:02:06,340
We have requested the full facts, but we
have been denied the
1087
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:11,100
full facts. We know that little black girls
are still being murdered.
1088
01:02:11,660 --> 01:02:12,480
Men of Mr.
1089
01:02:12,540 --> 01:02:13,160
Payne and Mr.
1090
01:02:13,220 --> 01:02:15,360
Cater's age are still being murdered.
1091
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:20,520
The last black male child on the Task Force
list was reported missing three
1092
01:02:20,620 --> 01:02:25,420
months before Wayne Williams was arrested or
became a suspect.
1093
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:31,000
Adults like Payne and Cater were 21 and 28
years old were killed
1094
01:02:31,100 --> 01:02:35,900
after that. Those are the only murders Wayne
1095
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:40,260
Williams is being tried for in this
courtroom.
1096
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:45,600
Yet the world thinks that he is being
charged
1097
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,260
with child murders.
1098
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,620
Think about it, if you will.
1099
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:55,840
That's the tragedy and that's the facts.
1100
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,120
Now you will make your decision.
1101
01:03:02,220 --> 01:03:07,020
But when you do, remember the songs when
1102
01:03:08,980 --> 01:03:11,640
the man called out who had done no wrong.
1103
01:03:12,820 --> 01:03:17,620
Who protects the weak and the helpless from
those
1104
01:03:17,900 --> 01:03:19,000
who would attack them?
1105
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:25,080
These evil men accuse me of things that I've
never even
1106
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:26,160
heard about.
1107
01:03:27,540 --> 01:03:29,180
Who but you, Jures,
1108
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:35,640
can help keep Wayne Williams from things
he's never
1109
01:03:35,740 --> 01:03:36,920
even heard about.
1110
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:49,880
I told you from the beginning that this case
was not going to be presented for
1111
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:52,120
the gallery, but for you,
1112
01:03:53,180 --> 01:03:55,180
the chosen citizens of our community.
1113
01:03:56,340 --> 01:04:00,270
It was so like we were making you
investigators where you could see the
1114
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:04,160
evidence pile up in a logical order and make
your own mind up.
1115
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,780
Let's look at this defendant here.
1116
01:04:11,780 --> 01:04:16,580
First day on cross examination, he was an
intelligent, calm,
1117
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:19,500
cool, deliberate witness.
1118
01:04:20,380 --> 01:04:22,780
Then what happened on the second morning?
1119
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,860
He was a completely different person.
1120
01:04:26,620 --> 01:04:29,280
He showed a contempt for everyone.
1121
01:04:30,180 --> 01:04:34,980
He showed a rage and explosion within him to
do battle with his interrogator.
1122
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,280
He let the curtain down on the second day.
1123
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:45,320
I knew sooner or later that you would see
that other personality come out.
1124
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,980
Her jackal and hide.
1125
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:56,960
The last killing done by the defendant on
trial, Wayne Williams, was May 21st,
1126
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:04,200
1981. There have been no murders in June or
July, August,
1127
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:09,800
September, October, November, December, or
January or February of this
1128
01:05:09,900 --> 01:05:12,640
year. None. Why?
1129
01:05:13,420 --> 01:05:14,440
We've been with him.
1130
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:16,440
We've had him under surveillance.
1131
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:17,540
He's been encusted.
1132
01:05:17,660 --> 01:05:22,460
That's why I won't tell you some of the
names of the witnesses that would
1133
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:24,700
have to have lied in this case.
1134
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:27,560
The defendant said they did.
1135
01:05:29,140 --> 01:05:30,700
Freddie Jacobs had to lie.
1136
01:05:31,780 --> 01:05:32,840
Kimmel had to lie.
1137
01:05:33,700 --> 01:05:35,060
Gilliland had to lie.
1138
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:40,640
Margaret Carter, Bobby Toland, Robert Henry,
Sharon Blakely,
1139
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:44,090
Sheldon Kemp, and...
1140
01:05:44,100 --> 01:05:45,520
But this goes on and on.
1141
01:05:49,140 --> 01:05:51,600
Well, some of us don't think they all lied.
1142
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:56,960
There's no evidence of any witness applying
for any reward
1143
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:57,660
in this case.
1144
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,720
Well, they haven't come forward.
1145
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:01,880
We'd better go out and find them.
1146
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:09,400
I suppose you could say that the mother and
father would lie
1147
01:06:10,180 --> 01:06:10,960
for their son.
1148
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:15,060
Well, I'm not sure that Mr.
1149
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,180
and Mrs. Williams are scared to death of
him.
1150
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,660
I think they'd do anything he said to.
1151
01:06:21,820 --> 01:06:26,620
14 years old, whatever he was at the time,
sent her of attention, and...
1152
01:06:28,620 --> 01:06:31,480
bankruptcy. Everybody said how smart he was.
1153
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,640
Gifted at an early age, and then he couldn't
duplicate it.
1154
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:38,990
And the people he's killing and he has
killed, they're not any more successful
1155
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:40,870
than he is, and they...
1156
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,000
haven't had a chance in the world.
1157
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:47,780
But the FBI, he compares to the Keystone
cops.
1158
01:06:48,740 --> 01:06:51,680
And the Atlanta police, the car 54, where
are you?
1159
01:06:53,060 --> 01:06:54,940
He wants to outwit them.
1160
01:06:56,240 --> 01:07:01,040
He took a stupid person to drop Kater's body
from James Jackson Parkway.
1161
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:05,730
He's close, he cased it and seen about it
because we had them here.
1162
01:07:05,740 --> 01:07:10,540
He said, car 54, Keystone cops got him.
1163
01:07:11,900 --> 01:07:13,160
He's failed again.
1164
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:16,020
Failed again.
1165
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:20,760
But the Atlanta police force, they took heed
for months.
1166
01:07:21,220 --> 01:07:24,640
They kept on doing their job the way the
good policemen do their job.
1167
01:07:24,780 --> 01:07:26,960
Steady, and things come out.
1168
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:32,910
I want to suggest to you, when you start
thinking about sympathy in a case like
1169
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:37,720
this, that it's time that someone starts
thinking about these
1170
01:07:37,780 --> 01:07:42,580
poor victims, and bear it as a result of the
same psychopathic killer.
1171
01:07:44,220 --> 01:07:46,220
Wayne Williams is not in the community now.
1172
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:50,540
You will be responsible for putting Wayne
Williams back in the community.
1173
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:52,600
It won't be us, it's going to have to be
you.
1174
01:07:54,260 --> 01:07:55,540
What were his words?
1175
01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:00,750
Doing away with one black male child.
1176
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:04,320
Doing away with inferiors.
1177
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,600
Sheila DeHaan, Edel Hitler,
1178
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:12,560
Idi Amin from Uganda,
1179
01:08:13,740 --> 01:08:15,860
and Wayne Bertram Williams.
1180
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:17,720
Master Reese,
1181
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:20,980
doing away with inferiors.
1182
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:36,080
Ladies and gentlemen, all of us, the
defense, prosecution, the
1183
01:08:36,980 --> 01:08:39,100
court, appreciate you.
1184
01:08:40,440 --> 01:08:41,740
I know all of you.
1185
01:08:42,940 --> 01:08:43,900
I'm going to see you.
1186
01:08:44,500 --> 01:08:45,800
We're going to talk about this case.
1187
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:49,240
And we're both going to say that we met our
responsibility.
1188
01:08:50,900 --> 01:08:51,720
Thank you.
1189
01:09:27,660 --> 01:09:30,730
Hello? All right.
1190
01:09:30,740 --> 01:09:31,400
I'll tell him.
1191
01:09:32,620 --> 01:09:34,520
What? They've reached a verdict.
1192
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:36,000
So soon?
1193
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:38,720
What do you think it means?
1194
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:41,220
It means acquittal.
1195
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:44,740
Whenever you reach a verdict this quickly.
1196
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:48,160
A complicated case like this, you usually
acquittal.
1197
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,900
I'm concerned about what we're going to do
with Wayne.
1198
01:09:53,540 --> 01:09:54,560
Are we taking him through the basement?
1199
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:56,220
I have the department alerted.
1200
01:09:56,820 --> 01:09:59,220
I can get him out of here all right, but
where he goes from there?
1201
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:00,070
I don't know.
1202
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:01,260
I can have your men.
1203
01:10:01,340 --> 01:10:03,500
I'll take him on the plane with me back to
Mississippi.
1204
01:10:04,140 --> 01:10:05,860
He'd stay at my house till things cool down.
1205
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,690
As soon as they come in with that verdict, I
want to get him out of
1206
01:10:08,700 --> 01:10:09,960
the courtroom as quick as I can.
1207
01:10:10,260 --> 01:10:11,320
It's all in your hands.
1208
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:13,060
We'll do everything we can to cooperate.
1209
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:14,580
If I can help, let me know.
1210
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:16,780
They're coming in.
1211
01:10:18,380 --> 01:10:19,080
Let's go.
1212
01:10:41,380 --> 01:10:43,480
The full person of the jury, please stand.
1213
01:10:45,740 --> 01:10:48,540
Has the jury reached a verdict on each of
the two counts?
1214
01:10:48,860 --> 01:10:49,800
We have, Your Honor.
1215
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:53,800
Please examine the verdict to make sure that
it has been signed and dated.
1216
01:10:54,900 --> 01:10:55,820
Yes, it has.
1217
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,090
Mr. District Attorney, I have the full
person of the jury, please stand.
1218
01:10:58,100 --> 01:10:58,980
Will you receive the verdict?
1219
01:11:00,020 --> 01:11:00,620
Yes, sir.
1220
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:09,600
Will you return to the podium and publish
the verdict in open court?
1221
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:19,200
Your Honor, the verdict from the jury, we
the jury, find
1222
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:23,680
the defendant Wayne Bertram Williams guilty
on count number one.
1223
01:11:25,380 --> 01:11:30,180
We the jury, find the defendant Wayne
Bertram Williams guilty on
1224
01:11:30,340 --> 01:11:32,120
count number two.
1225
01:11:37,100 --> 01:11:40,000
Would you like to examine the verdict, Mr.
1226
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:40,840
Biden? Yes.
1227
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:48,080
Mr. Williams, will you stand in front of the
1228
01:11:48,180 --> 01:11:49,560
podium and face the court?
1229
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:06,920
Mr. Binder, is welcome, Mr.
1230
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:07,550
Kitchens. Please.
1231
01:12:20,380 --> 01:12:22,640
I want the defendant's father, Mr.
1232
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:25,920
Homer Williams, to come forward and stand
with his son.
1233
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:39,760
Mr. Williams, do you wish to say anything?
1234
01:12:41,620 --> 01:12:44,180
Judge, Your Honor,
1235
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:50,720
jurors, other people,
1236
01:12:53,420 --> 01:12:58,120
anybody who had been in this court for the
last nine weeks
1237
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:04,040
can see that nobody has brought any evidence
to prove
1238
01:13:05,100 --> 01:13:07,420
that my son is guilty.
1239
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:12,000
I think it's very unfair,
1240
01:13:14,100 --> 01:13:14,650
Your Honor.
1241
01:13:16,380 --> 01:13:17,380
Thank you, Mr.
1242
01:13:17,420 --> 01:13:22,220
Williams. Mr. Wayne Williams, do you wish to
say anything before the
1243
01:13:22,440 --> 01:13:23,560
court imposes a sentence?
1244
01:13:24,660 --> 01:13:25,440
Yes, Your Honor.
1245
01:13:26,700 --> 01:13:30,380
I maintain all along through this trial my
innocence.
1246
01:13:32,300 --> 01:13:34,240
And I will say so again today.
1247
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:40,260
I don't have any malice against any of the
people in the jury, the court,
1248
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:42,960
prosecutors, or anybody.
1249
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:48,010
The only thing, Your Honor, is I just hope
that the person or persons who had
1250
01:13:48,020 --> 01:13:49,880
committed these crimes can be brought to
justice.
1251
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:52,310
And I'm saying I did not do this, Your
Honor, and I want it to be
1252
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:54,280
known, and that is from my heart.
1253
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:59,190
I more than anyone want to see this terror
ended, but I did not do it,
1254
01:13:59,200 --> 01:13:59,750
Your Honor.
1255
01:14:01,460 --> 01:14:02,300
Thank you.
1256
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:10,930
The court hereby sentences the defendant,
Mr.
1257
01:14:10,940 --> 01:14:15,740
Wayne Bertram Williams, to the custody of
the State Board of Corrections, where
1258
01:14:16,580 --> 01:14:21,380
he is to serve two life sentences, and they
are to run consecutively.
1259
01:14:24,900 --> 01:14:25,980
Court adjourned.
1260
01:14:27,260 --> 01:14:28,540
Mr. Wayne Bertram
1261
01:14:38,420 --> 01:14:43,220
Williams. There
1262
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:50,920
is slain...
1263
01:14:54,700 --> 01:14:56,680
You know my son is innocent.
1264
01:14:57,420 --> 01:14:58,540
You know it.
1265
01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:02,080
You've gone through the evidence.
1266
01:15:02,980 --> 01:15:06,160
You know that some of them people lied.
1267
01:15:08,020 --> 01:15:11,180
You did one hell of a railroad job.
1268
01:15:12,020 --> 01:15:14,640
You know it, and I know it.
1269
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:18,980
You dirty bastard.
1270
01:15:19,940 --> 01:15:20,900
Come on, Homer, let's go.
1271
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:26,180
It's unjust.
1272
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:29,680
And I'll tell it anywhere in the world.
1273
01:15:33,500 --> 01:15:37,940
One question. Well, this is the greatest in
the private case in court from history.
1274
01:15:38,500 --> 01:15:42,210
We hope that the Williams trial will serve
as it indicates that a value of trace
1275
01:15:42,220 --> 01:15:47,020
evidence, people in law, trying criminal
cases, will give weight and value
1276
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:49,140
to fibers from this day on.
1277
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:50,700
What about you, Mr.
1278
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:52,100
Slain? What do you have to say?
1279
01:15:52,700 --> 01:15:54,820
Let me give a man over here with me.
1280
01:15:55,020 --> 01:15:57,280
Jack Mallard, Charlie, Gordon Miller.
1281
01:15:59,140 --> 01:16:00,420
We did our job.
1282
01:16:01,820 --> 01:16:05,380
The prosecution, the staff, the defense, the
judge.
1283
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:07,640
We all did the best we could.
1284
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:09,420
That's all I can say right now.
1285
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:10,660
Thank you. Thank you.
1286
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:20,020
Well, you did a good job.
1287
01:16:20,580 --> 01:16:21,320
Not good enough.
1288
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:22,480
I didn't get them off.
1289
01:16:23,980 --> 01:16:28,780
You know, well, this is the first case I
ever tried where
1290
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:34,400
I didn't know the where, the when, the why,
or
1291
01:16:35,180 --> 01:16:35,900
even the hell.
1292
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:53,640
Reverend Attaway, what is your opinion of
the verdict?
1293
01:16:54,060 --> 01:16:57,760
We must be careful not to set ourselves up
as all-knowing as God.
1294
01:16:58,140 --> 01:16:59,340
Speak what we do not know.
1295
01:16:59,980 --> 01:17:02,100
Truth is an elusive entity.
1296
01:17:02,900 --> 01:17:04,480
We must put this behind us.
1297
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:05,820
Thank you, Reverend Attaway.
1298
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:08,260
Miss Taylor, what do you have to say?
1299
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,080
I think he's guilty, but they haven't proved
it.
1300
01:17:12,020 --> 01:17:13,760
You, sir, could you give us a few words?
1301
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:16,340
Do you know what it means not to know?
1302
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,840
Do you know what it's like to feel that
there is no justice in this world?
1303
01:17:20,180 --> 01:17:23,240
Maybe when we have a trial for my child's
murder, we'll find out the truth.
1304
01:17:23,480 --> 01:17:25,470
Don't say anything to them, whatever you
say.
1305
01:17:25,480 --> 01:17:27,560
They'll just twist it the way they want it
to go.
1306
01:17:28,020 --> 01:17:29,360
They don't care about us.
1307
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:32,200
All they care about is whatever people pay a
quarter for.
1308
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:38,080
Queen Williams wasn't alone on trial in this
courthouse today.
1309
01:17:38,380 --> 01:17:43,180
Atlanta was. The city, too busy to hate, was
charged with hating
1310
01:17:43,380 --> 01:17:47,120
so much it would stand by while its children
were being murdered.
1311
01:17:47,740 --> 01:17:52,540
Let the record show that this city, this
beautiful, marvelous city I love,
1312
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:56,560
stood trial before the world and was found
not guilty.
1313
01:17:57,180 --> 01:18:01,870
The important thing is that we came through
this whole trying thing as a community.
1314
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:06,680
Together. I have called you in this morning
to announce the disbanding
1315
01:18:07,140 --> 01:18:08,020
of the task force.
1316
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:12,360
But there are still 21 cases for which no
one has been officially charged.
1317
01:18:12,620 --> 01:18:15,300
With the conviction of Wayne Williams, they
have been cleared.
1318
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:17,480
Are you planning to indict Mr.
1319
01:18:17,540 --> 01:18:20,360
Williams for the deaths of the other people
on the task force list, Mr.
1320
01:18:20,440 --> 01:18:25,240
Slayton? We have cases here that
1321
01:18:25,300 --> 01:18:29,870
we do not have enough evidence to convict,
but we have sufficient evidence to mark
1322
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:32,480
them closed. I don't quite follow that, Mr.
1323
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:36,910
Slayton. What I'm saying is, there's no
point in putting the city through the
1324
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:38,780
expense and pain of another trial.
1325
01:18:41,060 --> 01:18:43,440
Hutchins lies, ain't worth a trial, is that
what they say?
1326
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:47,210
I've only been 48 hours since the verdict
was in and already they've closed the books
1327
01:18:47,220 --> 01:18:48,340
on all our murdered children?
1328
01:18:49,900 --> 01:18:53,880
Always before, I was looking for some kind
of justice.
1329
01:18:55,660 --> 01:18:58,290
But justice is not in their hearts to give.
1330
01:18:58,300 --> 01:19:02,580
Does this mean that the real person that
killed our children can now go free?
1331
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:05,340
And we can't do a damn thing about it?
1332
01:19:06,100 --> 01:19:08,600
This town has buried us along with our
children.
1333
01:19:09,460 --> 01:19:12,030
They're dead and buried and we're dead and
buried and we ain't supposed to be heard
1334
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:16,110
from again. There ain't no way we're going
to sit still and let our children's murders
1335
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:17,460
go unsolved, Jamie.
1336
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:22,120
We're going to protest.
1337
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:26,020
And we're going to get justice.
1338
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:28,040
From somewhere.
1339
01:19:29,500 --> 01:19:30,940
If we don't get it from George.
1340
01:19:37,340 --> 01:19:39,860
In case you ask for the files on the trial
murders.
1341
01:19:40,480 --> 01:19:44,700
What? Ben, a jury of 12 people found that he
was guilty.
1342
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:46,640
That's all we got, the jury system.
1343
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:47,740
The case is closed.
1344
01:19:48,780 --> 01:19:51,530
Slayton says there's no point in putting the
city through the pain and expense of
1345
01:19:51,540 --> 01:19:53,720
another trial. What about the parents?
1346
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:56,240
How would you feel if it were your kids?
1347
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:57,900
Would you be able to sleep nice?
1348
01:19:58,220 --> 01:19:59,280
You're going to destroy yourself, Ben.
1349
01:19:59,500 --> 01:20:01,300
I tried to tell you that, but you won't
believe me.
1350
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:06,440
James. Do you remember the march we took
from Salomon to Montgomery
1351
01:20:06,660 --> 01:20:07,460
with Dr. King?
1352
01:20:08,740 --> 01:20:09,940
Do you remember what we were thinking?
1353
01:20:10,620 --> 01:20:11,440
What we talked about?
1354
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:13,540
What was the most important thing?
1355
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:16,220
Wasn't it the kids to come?
1356
01:20:16,900 --> 01:20:18,420
Wasn't that the most important thing?
1357
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,080
That we were going to spare them the pain we
had?
1358
01:20:21,380 --> 01:20:22,900
We were going to give them a better world?
1359
01:20:24,260 --> 01:20:26,040
What kind of life have we made for them?
1360
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:29,660
You can have my badge, James.
1361
01:20:30,540 --> 01:20:33,550
This case won't be closed for me until I
open the door that says once and
1362
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:35,240
for all Wayne Williams was guilty.
1363
01:20:36,100 --> 01:20:39,260
Or he was a sacrificial lamb on the altar of
the good name of Atlanta.
1364
01:20:46,900 --> 01:20:48,180
Go on, make your investigation.
1365
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:49,580
I don't know anything about it.
1366
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:54,400
I don't know anything about it.
1367
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:01,840
There they were in front of me.
1368
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:07,220
The faces I have seen in those snapshots
before they were found dead.
1369
01:21:10,340 --> 01:21:14,760
The faces of all those children whose
murders aren't worth a try.
1370
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:28,480
Dead and gone, I'll sing this lullaby just
1371
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:30,860
for you.
1372
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:37,680
In February of 1982, Wayne Williams was
convicted for the murders of Jimmy Ray
1373
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:39,140
Payne and Nathaniel Cater.
1374
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:44,600
In December of 1983, the Georgia Supreme
Court denied the appeal for a new trial.
1375
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:49,520
In March of 1982, the task force
investigating the deaths of 28
1376
01:21:49,860 --> 01:21:53,600
children and the disappearance of one other
was officially disbanded.
1377
01:21:54,260 --> 01:21:57,240
To date, these cases remain unsolved.
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