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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:18,100 --> 00:00:22,900 Sticks and stones will break my bone. 2 00:00:25,060 --> 00:00:28,920 Our ways will be true. 3 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:36,320 And when your mom is dead and gone, 4 00:00:37,340 --> 00:00:41,840 I'll sing this lullaby just for you. 5 00:00:44,660 --> 00:00:49,460 Wood becomes of all the little boys who 6 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,680 never go there. 7 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:02,520 They lined up all around the block 8 00:01:03,100 --> 00:01:07,900 on the nickels over there. 9 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,860 You better bring a bucket. 10 00:01:17,660 --> 00:01:21,520 There's hole in the pail. 11 00:01:24,060 --> 00:01:28,360 If you don't get my letter, 12 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:34,440 then you'll know that I'm in jail. 13 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:42,360 Wood becomes of all the little boys who 14 00:01:45,220 --> 00:01:48,400 never say their prayers. 15 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:55,960 Sleeping like a baby on 16 00:01:56,940 --> 00:02:01,040 the nickels over there. 17 00:02:15,920 --> 00:02:19,800 On June 28, 1979, Dr. 18 00:02:19,900 --> 00:02:24,700 Nathan Sack of Columbus, Ohio, a well-known surgeon and his wife, had 19 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,690 come to Atlanta for the annual convention of the Association of Nuclear Medicine. 20 00:02:28,700 --> 00:02:33,440 They were to be part of Atlanta's 131st homicide of 1979. 21 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:35,060 Give me your hand back. 22 00:02:36,420 --> 00:02:37,420 Hurry up. 23 00:02:42,580 --> 00:02:47,380 Dr. Sack's murder was on the front page of the Atlanta Daily Newspapers and prominent 24 00:02:47,500 --> 00:02:49,020 in newspapers all over the country. 25 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:54,250 But a short time later, a crime happened that barely was mentioned in one of 26 00:02:54,260 --> 00:02:55,240 Atlanta's newspapers. 27 00:02:58,500 --> 00:03:02,740 In all likelihood, the boy was already dead when he was brought to this spot. 28 00:03:04,100 --> 00:03:05,540 He was 14 years old. 29 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,660 The second boy was last seen on his way to a skating rink. 30 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,220 He too was 14 years old. 31 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,330 This was the beginning of a case that was to be one of the most baffling 32 00:03:17,340 --> 00:03:19,340 and the crime adults of the United States. 33 00:03:19,700 --> 00:03:23,180 And before the ordeal had ended, a city would go crazy. 34 00:03:23,820 --> 00:03:26,920 And no one who touched the case in any way would ever be the same again. 35 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,420 The Atlanta child murders had begun. 36 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,580 Do you realize the increase in homicides this year? 37 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,790 No, I'm afraid I don't, but I'm quite sure you do. 38 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:41,600 We have had 231 homicides, a 61% increase over 39 00:03:41,660 --> 00:03:46,460 1978. I hope you realize that when you print stories like that, how much 40 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:47,300 you hurt Atlanta? 41 00:03:47,980 --> 00:03:50,540 One of our main sources of revenue is the convention trade. 42 00:03:50,860 --> 00:03:54,870 The city is 66% black and we are going to have a proportionate number of 43 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:56,360 black officers whether you like it or not. 44 00:03:57,060 --> 00:03:59,960 Help! Somebody got it! 45 00:03:59,980 --> 00:04:00,880 Somebody help! 46 00:04:03,340 --> 00:04:04,590 Would you like to fly? 47 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,200 Well, I don't have any money. 48 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:07,320 Well, I'll take you. 49 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,860 Jesus, thanks, sir. 50 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:13,200 Another boy was found. 51 00:04:13,820 --> 00:04:15,920 His name was Leroy Millard James. 52 00:04:16,900 --> 00:04:17,600 He was 14. 53 00:04:19,340 --> 00:04:20,340 How long has he been gone? 54 00:04:21,700 --> 00:04:23,820 He left here about four or thirty. 55 00:04:24,940 --> 00:04:26,560 All right, I'll go look for him. 56 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:27,310 Don't worry. 57 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,560 He just went to do an errand and he disappeared. 58 00:04:36,300 --> 00:04:38,040 Somebody must know something. 59 00:04:38,620 --> 00:04:40,980 A young boy just doesn't drop off the face of the earth. 60 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,040 All right, let's return that up to you. 61 00:04:43,420 --> 00:04:45,200 You have a great deal of Atlanta out there. 62 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:46,260 They want to know your feelings. 63 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:51,440 Thank you. I can't help wondering if they're working as hard as they would 64 00:04:51,460 --> 00:04:54,990 if it were a white child from a middle class background. 65 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,800 Help! Would 66 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:13,420 there have been a better chance of saving him if he'd done something right away? 67 00:05:14,420 --> 00:05:15,120 I don't know. 68 00:05:16,260 --> 00:05:21,060 This is a place where black babies are hunted down and kept 69 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,800 like animals. 70 00:05:24,860 --> 00:05:29,660 Shake it, shake it, but don't break it, shake it, shake it, 71 00:05:29,820 --> 00:05:34,080 but don't break it, shake it, shake it, but don't break it. 72 00:05:43,700 --> 00:05:48,430 There are kids being murdered all over the streets of Atlanta, but they don't matter 73 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,710 because the department doesn't make any points if it solves their murders, does it? 74 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,280 I'm not a word like that, Mike, and I'm going to ask you for your badge. 75 00:05:58,980 --> 00:06:00,320 Jake, go ask him back. 76 00:06:01,540 --> 00:06:02,640 I'd rather turn him on than badge. 77 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,440 Jake, somebody's got to stop these crimes against children. 78 00:06:06,060 --> 00:06:07,380 Or there's no telling where it will end. 79 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,580 And what are you saying to the police force? 80 00:06:10,840 --> 00:06:11,980 I am advising them. 81 00:06:11,980 --> 00:06:15,710 I am pleading with them to concentrate their efforts on this geographic pattern 82 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:20,050 and to put stakeouts here, here, here, and here in order to help prevent the next 83 00:06:20,060 --> 00:06:24,180 murder. It was the morning of Latonia Wilson's seventh birthday. 84 00:06:24,820 --> 00:06:29,620 As unbelievable as it may seem, somebody actually removed the window pane closest to 85 00:06:29,700 --> 00:06:34,500 the lock, reached through, opened the lock, then opened the 86 00:06:34,580 --> 00:06:35,860 door and stepped in. 87 00:06:37,020 --> 00:06:41,260 That person picked her out of her bed where she was sleeping next to her sister, 88 00:06:42,140 --> 00:06:46,940 then walked past her brother who was sleeping in the next bed and took 89 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:47,960 her out of the house. 90 00:06:48,660 --> 00:06:51,810 You want us to make a statement that there's a Jack the Ripper killing the four 91 00:06:51,820 --> 00:06:54,040 black children of Atlanta, but I don't believe that. 92 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,660 We got ourselves a black mayor. 93 00:06:57,620 --> 00:07:02,420 We got ourselves a black commissioner of public safety, black 94 00:07:03,100 --> 00:07:07,600 councilmen. We got everything black from top to bottom. 95 00:07:08,540 --> 00:07:13,340 We got everything but protection for our black children. 96 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:18,600 If you want to kill off a Reese, the first thing you must do is 97 00:07:18,780 --> 00:07:19,660 kill the seat. 98 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,800 Now the whole thing here in Atlanta is the first step in a plan toward genocide. 99 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:26,040 No, no, no. 100 00:07:26,220 --> 00:07:27,920 They didn't stop my baby. 101 00:07:28,540 --> 00:07:30,520 They didn't stop my baby. 102 00:07:31,380 --> 00:07:32,480 My mother didn't disappear. 103 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:34,800 My mother didn't go. 104 00:07:35,380 --> 00:07:37,460 It's a green carpet fiber. 105 00:07:37,900 --> 00:07:42,700 It's very unusual because the cross section of the fiber shows a trilobular design 106 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:43,800 with one short leg. 107 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:45,580 Trilobular design. 108 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:53,560 Well, I'll still settle for fingerprints, motive, old 109 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:54,580 -fashioned things like that. 110 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:56,920 What do you want to bet when we find the murderer? 111 00:07:56,980 --> 00:07:58,520 He's got a green carpet in his house? 112 00:08:02,180 --> 00:08:06,730 The eight-year-old boy has been identified by dental records as Christopher 113 00:08:06,740 --> 00:08:11,220 Richardson, son of Selena Cobb, who lives at 8624. 114 00:08:11,580 --> 00:08:12,890 So sorry, Miss Cobb. 115 00:08:12,900 --> 00:08:14,000 Could you tell us how you feel? 116 00:08:17,380 --> 00:08:18,280 Get out! 117 00:08:19,700 --> 00:08:24,300 Get out! You don't have no more heart than the contraption you brought in here. 118 00:08:24,340 --> 00:08:24,790 What should it be? 119 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:25,750 Now what am I going to do? 120 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,840 Get out! 121 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:31,620 Get out of my house! 122 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:32,700 Come on, get out! 123 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:33,310 Get out! 124 00:08:37,540 --> 00:08:42,340 Help! Help! 125 00:08:44,500 --> 00:08:49,300 Help! By 126 00:08:49,620 --> 00:08:52,320 mid-March, the pattern of death changed again. 127 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,520 The bodies were being dumped into the river. 128 00:08:54,900 --> 00:08:57,280 The body was clad in red, bathing-type shorts. 129 00:08:58,280 --> 00:08:59,160 Could have been drowning. 130 00:09:00,140 --> 00:09:02,700 But I think we have to mark this mechanism unknown. 131 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,090 What am I charged with, man? 132 00:09:04,100 --> 00:09:07,520 You're a suspect in the case of the missing and murdered children, chef. 133 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,100 You guys are so desperate for a suspect that it's affecting your faculties. 134 00:09:11,300 --> 00:09:13,790 And if I wasn't a veteran of 18 years on the police force, I'd be scared 135 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,870 as hell right now, because I know how easily a case can be made to work 136 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:17,750 if there's a need for it. 137 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:18,920 Look, I'm just warning you, chef. 138 00:09:19,220 --> 00:09:20,310 You just stay out of our way. 139 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:21,010 Get on out of the case! 140 00:09:21,020 --> 00:09:25,420 We have staked our bridges into Calb, Fulton, and Cobb counties. 141 00:09:28,260 --> 00:09:29,300 I heard a splash. 142 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,500 A loud splash is a car in the bridge. 143 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:34,480 I can't see it from where I'm at. 144 00:09:34,900 --> 00:09:39,700 That splash was to change the course of the Atlanta murders, and perhaps American 145 00:09:39,820 --> 00:09:41,680 jurisprudence forever. 146 00:09:43,900 --> 00:09:45,140 Let's see your identification. 147 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:55,780 Wayne Williams. That's right. 148 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,210 If you throw a body into the river... 149 00:09:58,220 --> 00:09:58,880 Are you crazy? 150 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:00,300 Would you get out of the car, please? 151 00:10:00,740 --> 00:10:01,700 Come on. Get out. 152 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:03,520 What is it? 153 00:10:04,020 --> 00:10:05,480 Come on. Step back here, will you, please? 154 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:07,320 Would you move back there? 155 00:10:10,060 --> 00:10:14,860 Had we come to the end of what we were looking for for two years, was 156 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:19,720 this the man who choked the life out of, shot, bludgeoned, and drowned 28 157 00:10:20,420 --> 00:10:25,220 human beings? Or was it someone caught in the net of hysteria, and 158 00:10:25,580 --> 00:10:27,740 the need to bring an end to Atlanta's nightmare? 159 00:10:28,940 --> 00:10:29,900 You heard a splash. 160 00:10:30,460 --> 00:10:31,560 I could have been a beaver. 161 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:32,860 There are a lot of beavers around here. 162 00:10:33,220 --> 00:10:34,630 They splash their tails in the water. 163 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:35,600 It could sound like a body. 164 00:10:35,700 --> 00:10:38,960 I know the difference between a beaver splashing its tail and the sound of a body. 165 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:40,780 You do. How? 166 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:42,020 It used to be a lifeguard. 167 00:10:42,420 --> 00:10:44,820 This little incident on the bridge here is going to be the talk of the town, 168 00:10:45,060 --> 00:10:45,880 the talk of the country. 169 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,590 I just hope we're not starting an avalanche of something we can't stop based on a 170 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:53,250 splash. Somebody throwing a body off of beds that nobody has seen, and the murder 171 00:10:53,260 --> 00:10:55,440 of getting back into a station wagon that nobody saw stopped. 172 00:11:20,940 --> 00:11:25,680 Yeah. Wayne. 173 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,280 I have a warrant for your arrest. 174 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:51,080 Mr. Slayton, 175 00:11:52,180 --> 00:11:55,010 just eight days ago, you said you had insufficient evidence to arrest Wayne 176 00:11:55,020 --> 00:11:55,760 Woods. I did. 177 00:11:55,860 --> 00:11:56,880 What made you change your mind? 178 00:11:57,820 --> 00:12:01,200 I finally found I couldn't corroborate William's story 179 00:12:02,220 --> 00:12:06,010 that he had crossed the bridge at three in the morning to visit a woman who 180 00:12:06,020 --> 00:12:08,100 he was going to interview for a musical audition. 181 00:12:08,140 --> 00:12:11,440 But now in your own words, you said you might have a good case for lying, 182 00:12:11,500 --> 00:12:12,180 but not for murder. 183 00:12:12,780 --> 00:12:13,510 Yes, sir. What about that? 184 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:18,320 Now, I've gone over the fiber evidence with the Georgia Bureau of Investigation 185 00:12:19,060 --> 00:12:23,860 and Lad Peterson, and I found it's much more substantial than I 186 00:12:24,380 --> 00:12:26,320 had believed. And that's something else. 187 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,310 There's a great possibility if we don't move on this, Williams may leave the 188 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,580 country. Mr. Slayton, I hate to ask this question. 189 00:12:32,620 --> 00:12:35,220 I think you're one of the finest officials this state's ever had. 190 00:12:35,660 --> 00:12:39,310 But there are persistent reports of that pressure to prosecute Wayne Williams was 191 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:40,900 brought on you at a meeting at the Capitol. 192 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:44,310 I've been in office for eight years. 193 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:45,660 Because if 194 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:52,400 I had visited the governor's mansion, there would not have been any such pressure that 195 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:53,180 I would have recognized. 196 00:12:53,620 --> 00:12:54,340 There were no threats. 197 00:12:55,020 --> 00:12:56,400 There were no ultimatums. 198 00:12:57,420 --> 00:12:58,760 No deadlines. All right, sir. 199 00:12:58,940 --> 00:12:59,450 We'll look into it. 200 00:12:59,460 --> 00:13:00,020 We'll look into it. 201 00:13:00,180 --> 00:13:00,530 We'll look into it. 202 00:13:00,540 --> 00:13:01,090 We'll look into it. 203 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:01,630 We'll look into it. 204 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:01,890 We'll look into it. 205 00:13:01,900 --> 00:13:02,880 We'll look into it. 206 00:13:05,140 --> 00:13:07,680 Al Binder joined the defense for Wayne Williams. 207 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,820 He was one of the best criminal lawyers in the South. 208 00:13:11,540 --> 00:13:15,120 In the courtroom, he sometimes affected the talk and dress of a hick. 209 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,360 But Al Binder is no hick. 210 00:13:20,540 --> 00:13:23,760 I want you to join a defense team in an advisory capacity. 211 00:13:24,660 --> 00:13:27,240 I understand you know more about the Atlanta murder than anybody else. 212 00:13:28,220 --> 00:13:28,960 What are you paying? 213 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,320 Nothing. That's an attractive offer. 214 00:13:32,900 --> 00:13:34,040 Well, what the hell do you think I'm getting? 215 00:13:34,420 --> 00:13:35,400 I can imagine. 216 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,150 The one thing that makes it almost irresistible is what the expression on the 217 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,290 faces of the Atlanta police force might be if they discover that the deadlinger is 218 00:13:42,300 --> 00:13:43,740 part of the Wayne Williams defense team. 219 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,340 Thank you. I have a problem though. 220 00:13:47,980 --> 00:13:49,780 I'm not so sure Wayne Williams is innocent. 221 00:13:50,460 --> 00:13:52,100 I could be a dangerous man to have around. 222 00:13:52,260 --> 00:13:54,690 And even while I'm investigating the case, I could come up with evidence that says 223 00:13:54,700 --> 00:13:55,250 he's guilty. 224 00:13:57,560 --> 00:13:58,500 Chance I'll take. 225 00:13:59,220 --> 00:14:00,640 May I ask why you're taking the case? 226 00:14:04,340 --> 00:14:06,000 Well, I'm a strange specimen. 227 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:11,370 Not only am I a missus of a Jew, but I've become accepted by the good 228 00:14:11,380 --> 00:14:12,840 old boys as one of their own. 229 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,700 Things are going too smoothly for me at the moment. 230 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,640 I'm accepted. I'm making money. 231 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,990 I miss the good old days when the crew clutched a plane or was burning my 232 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:24,200 house and shooting at my car. 233 00:14:28,780 --> 00:14:33,110 Now you know Wayne Williams up against Federal Bureau of Investigation, Georgia 234 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,250 Bureau of Investigation, Atlanta police force newspapers. 235 00:14:36,260 --> 00:14:38,740 And who has he got to protect him? 236 00:14:39,180 --> 00:14:43,920 Me. That isn't enough to make the old adrenaline go and feel alive again. 237 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:45,320 Nothing is. 238 00:14:47,140 --> 00:14:51,600 I want you to think back to Friday, January 2, 1981. 239 00:14:52,340 --> 00:14:53,780 Do you recall being in Atlanta? 240 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:55,600 Yes, I do. 241 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:01,180 My mother and I went down to the Royal Mattress Company. 242 00:15:01,220 --> 00:15:05,700 That's just on the other side of the, the, uh, Stewart Lakewood Shopping Center. 243 00:15:06,260 --> 00:15:09,160 And who did you see, if anybody, in that area? 244 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:15,150 I saw a man and a boy about 20 foot from me, right at the, uh, 245 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:16,660 oh, see his out like that. 246 00:15:17,460 --> 00:15:18,380 And were they talking? 247 00:15:18,740 --> 00:15:21,300 Yes, sir. And what else did you observe? 248 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:26,140 The, uh, man was leaning up against the wall. 249 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:31,200 Uh-huh. And I noticed on his face is what really caught me, because 250 00:15:31,860 --> 00:15:34,060 I was just standing around there, knowing else around. 251 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:39,720 And it looked like he had, uh, two scratches that was just beginning to 252 00:15:39,740 --> 00:15:41,120 heal up on his face. 253 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:42,190 On his face? 254 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,240 No. Now did you see them again? 255 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:49,760 They started walking over to a green car. 256 00:15:51,340 --> 00:15:56,140 I'll show you a photograph marked LG 21. 257 00:15:57,580 --> 00:16:01,120 Now have you seen the person in that photograph before? 258 00:16:03,140 --> 00:16:06,720 It looks to be the same boy I saw that day. 259 00:16:07,260 --> 00:16:12,060 I ask you to look around the courtroom and see if you see that 260 00:16:12,140 --> 00:16:14,060 adult you saw with the young child. 261 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,140 Yes, sir. Would you point in his direction, please? 262 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:26,880 That gentleman sitting right over there, along with the glasses. 263 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:33,680 All right, young man. 264 00:16:33,980 --> 00:16:36,180 You don't mind me calling you young man, do you? 265 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,560 No. You're young, aren't you? 266 00:16:38,740 --> 00:16:39,500 How old are you? 267 00:16:39,780 --> 00:16:44,580 15. Yeah, let me ask you if you saw one of the Atlanta 268 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:49,600 children that was murdered, Lube Gheeta, on the first weekend 269 00:16:50,180 --> 00:16:52,260 of January 1981. 270 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:54,660 Yes, sir. 271 00:16:55,980 --> 00:16:56,870 Did you see some of the young men? 272 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:57,720 Did you see someone with him? 273 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,720 Yes, sir. I seen Lube Gheeta getting a call with him. 274 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,720 Are you referring to defendant on trial over here? 275 00:17:06,100 --> 00:17:09,740 Yes, sir. Did you see this person later? 276 00:17:11,580 --> 00:17:16,380 Sir, he asked me if I wanted a job, and he asked me where I'd go 277 00:17:16,460 --> 00:17:17,010 with him. 278 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:18,620 Did you do that? 279 00:17:19,220 --> 00:17:20,600 Yeah, I got in the car with him. 280 00:17:21,140 --> 00:17:22,380 He asked me if I had any money. 281 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:23,660 I said no, sir. 282 00:17:24,500 --> 00:17:26,240 Then he fell down my pocket. 283 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,200 He wasn't really filling my pocket. 284 00:17:29,940 --> 00:17:31,040 He was filling me. 285 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,280 Then he gave me two dollars, and he drove me down a pick-fest street. 286 00:17:36,380 --> 00:17:37,920 What was around there? 287 00:17:39,620 --> 00:17:41,100 Woods, that's all. 288 00:17:42,140 --> 00:17:43,220 What happened then? 289 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,050 Then he said he had to go to the trunk for something, so I jumped out 290 00:17:48,060 --> 00:17:52,860 and ran. This man that rode you out there and fondled you, as you indicated, 291 00:17:53,360 --> 00:17:54,260 and gave you two dollars. 292 00:17:55,240 --> 00:18:00,040 Is that the same man that you identified and called here, Wayne 293 00:18:00,140 --> 00:18:02,100 Williams? Yes, sir. 294 00:18:03,380 --> 00:18:04,060 Thank you. 295 00:18:05,780 --> 00:18:06,780 Mr. Binder? 296 00:18:15,100 --> 00:18:19,040 Tell me, uh, what kind of weather was it that day, son? 297 00:18:20,540 --> 00:18:22,040 I don't remember that. 298 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,200 Oh, you don't remember that? 299 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,640 Uh-uh. All right, but you do remember the man you saw in that car? 300 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:30,440 I remember the face. 301 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:31,760 I can't forget his face. 302 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:33,680 Oh, you can't forget it? 303 00:18:33,980 --> 00:18:38,710 Uh-uh. Did they tell you something good would happen to you if you'd remember his 304 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,180 face? I remember the face. 305 00:18:41,380 --> 00:18:43,780 I wake up in dreams at night thinking about his face. 306 00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:45,680 You do? That's right. 307 00:18:45,940 --> 00:18:46,960 He makes me sick. 308 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:48,930 How many times have you been convicted of being a criminal? 309 00:18:48,940 --> 00:18:49,640 I've been convicted of stealing. 310 00:18:52,620 --> 00:18:54,160 I don't want to answer that question. 311 00:18:54,900 --> 00:18:56,200 Oh, you'll answer it, son. 312 00:18:56,300 --> 00:18:57,080 You'll answer it. 313 00:18:57,120 --> 00:19:01,180 As an objection, you can't impeach someone with his own testimony? 314 00:19:01,700 --> 00:19:04,360 I can ask a witness anything if it's in his knowledge. 315 00:19:04,540 --> 00:19:05,530 No, sir, you can't. 316 00:19:05,540 --> 00:19:06,140 He's a juvenile. 317 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,300 They would not be a record of his conviction. 318 00:19:10,180 --> 00:19:11,620 Would you approach the bench? 319 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:22,880 Your Honor, the prosecution is trying to paint this young man as a sweet little boy. 320 00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:26,730 And I want to say for the record that my investigation of the man that shows 321 00:19:26,740 --> 00:19:31,190 that this boy has hoodlum, has been arrested over 10 times minimum, and he's 322 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:32,480 constantly in trouble with the law. 323 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,780 You have to have an actual conviction. 324 00:19:34,980 --> 00:19:38,240 He doesn't have a conviction, so he can't use it for impeachment. 325 00:19:38,360 --> 00:19:41,510 Your Honor, you shouldn't limit us to cross -examination. 326 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,340 This crucial witness let us know what he really is. 327 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:52,440 The court rules that the boy doesn't want to answer general questions about 328 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:57,110 stealing, and that is interpreted by the court as his invocation of his right 329 00:19:57,120 --> 00:19:58,640 against self-incrimination. 330 00:20:00,460 --> 00:20:01,540 Objection sustained. 331 00:20:08,020 --> 00:20:11,700 Did you talk to anybody about any money for testifying in this case? 332 00:20:12,060 --> 00:20:13,160 No. Now, come on. 333 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,400 Didn't you talk to somebody about some money for testifying? 334 00:20:17,380 --> 00:20:19,230 I just heard somebody talking about it. 335 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,220 That's all. Oh, you heard somebody talking about it? 336 00:20:21,500 --> 00:20:22,900 That's right. What did they tell you? 337 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,180 Some man said he was going to give me something. 338 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:26,900 To come up here and testify? 339 00:20:29,460 --> 00:20:32,140 Not me. Well, who was he going to give it to? 340 00:20:33,020 --> 00:20:33,980 I don't know. 341 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:35,280 Well, you're hoping he'd give it to you? 342 00:20:35,740 --> 00:20:37,600 I don't care nothing about no money. 343 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:38,360 Oh, you don't. 344 00:20:39,100 --> 00:20:43,480 That's right. I'm just here to do my job, and I should tell you the truth. 345 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:49,960 They told you to say that on the witness' hand and tell the truth? 346 00:20:50,420 --> 00:20:50,980 That's right. 347 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:53,380 Now, did you tell Mr. 348 00:20:53,900 --> 00:20:58,700 Dufflinger today, right outside this courtroom, that you didn't even 349 00:20:58,740 --> 00:21:00,120 know Wayne Williams? 350 00:21:00,380 --> 00:21:02,580 Huh? Don't you remember that? 351 00:21:03,100 --> 00:21:07,900 Uh-uh. And aren't you the young man that, when you first was interrogated about this, 352 00:21:08,300 --> 00:21:13,100 identified the man you saw with Luby Gita as being 6'2'' and 353 00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:15,720 about 180 pounds? 354 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:17,760 You don't remember that? 355 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:21,980 No. That's all. 356 00:21:27,980 --> 00:21:29,660 Did you know Nathaniel, Cater? 357 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:30,740 Yes, I did. 358 00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:32,670 Did you know him by nickname also? 359 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,520 I knew him as Silky. 360 00:21:34,740 --> 00:21:35,480 How did you know him? 361 00:21:35,860 --> 00:21:39,200 I knew him because we worked together through a labor pool right down the street. 362 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,510 Did you have occasion to see Nathaniel, Cater, on the Thursday night before he was 363 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:44,480 pulled from the river? 364 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,000 I saw Nathaniel, Cater, coming out to the alto there. 365 00:21:48,540 --> 00:21:49,560 Was anybody with him? 366 00:21:50,220 --> 00:21:53,440 There was a man with Silky, and there were two behind him. 367 00:21:53,860 --> 00:21:55,280 How would you characterize them? 368 00:21:55,820 --> 00:21:58,650 Well, the two behind him were dressed as women. 369 00:21:58,660 --> 00:22:03,370 But they appeared to be men because they didn't have any curves or anything like a 370 00:22:03,380 --> 00:22:07,380 woman. And the one with Silky, they were holding hands. 371 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:12,880 Did you get a good look at this fella that was holding hands with Silky? 372 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,650 Yes. Now I want you to look around the courtroom and tell us whether or not 373 00:22:16,660 --> 00:22:18,420 you see this person in the courtroom. 374 00:22:18,980 --> 00:22:19,920 Yes, I do. 375 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:21,360 Point him out? 376 00:22:22,360 --> 00:22:24,000 Sitting right there. 377 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:26,820 He's with you. 378 00:22:31,100 --> 00:22:34,420 Now when you saw Silky that night, was anybody with you? 379 00:22:34,820 --> 00:22:35,700 No, just me. 380 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,700 Now you mentioned there were two people behind Silky. 381 00:22:38,700 --> 00:22:39,250 Do you know them? 382 00:22:39,540 --> 00:22:40,260 No, I didn't. 383 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:41,280 Did you talk to them? 384 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:42,540 They just kept walking. 385 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,580 When you say Silky was holding hands with Mr. 386 00:22:46,620 --> 00:22:48,760 Williams, what are you trying to imply? 387 00:22:49,420 --> 00:22:51,160 I'm not trying to imply nothing. 388 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,720 Were you trying to imply they were homosexuals? 389 00:22:53,900 --> 00:22:56,310 I'm trying to tell the jury they were holding hands. 390 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:57,980 Now you saw Mr. 391 00:22:58,060 --> 00:23:01,070 Williams picture in the paper and you didn't tell anybody about it, the law 392 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,440 enforcement officers. Did you feel that Mr. 393 00:23:04,580 --> 00:23:06,200 Williams had something to do with Mr. 394 00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:11,100 Cater? Yes. And you know he's been on trial here since December 28th and we've been 395 00:23:11,140 --> 00:23:13,740 trying this case for five weeks or more? 396 00:23:14,540 --> 00:23:19,340 Right. And you didn't come forward and tell anybody that you knew anything bad 397 00:23:19,740 --> 00:23:23,040 about Mr. Williams during that entire time? 398 00:23:23,300 --> 00:23:28,100 No. Have 399 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:34,120 you heard that there is a substantial reward involved in this case? 400 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:35,920 I heard about it. 401 00:23:36,500 --> 00:23:39,200 And you wouldn't turn down any of that reward, would you? 402 00:23:39,940 --> 00:23:40,740 Beg your pardon. 403 00:23:40,980 --> 00:23:42,860 If they off your money, you wouldn't turn it down. 404 00:23:43,420 --> 00:23:45,840 Would nobody turn down money? 405 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:52,260 Are you the same Bobby Lee Henry that was arrested and convicted for lawsony? 406 00:23:53,740 --> 00:23:58,540 Yes. Are you the same Bobby Lee Henry that was convicted for disturbing 407 00:23:58,600 --> 00:23:59,520 the public peace? 408 00:24:00,140 --> 00:24:04,940 Right. Are you the same Bobby Lee Henry that was arrested at East Point? 409 00:24:05,700 --> 00:24:09,830 Yes. And are you the same Bobby Lee Henry that was last arrested on 7th January 410 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,760 1978? I don't know, could be. 411 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,600 I've been in jail lots of times. 412 00:24:16,660 --> 00:24:17,800 Lots of times? 413 00:24:18,300 --> 00:24:22,040 Yes. Thank you very much, that's all. 414 00:24:33,100 --> 00:24:36,840 Thank you. You didn't come forward about this, did you? 415 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:38,680 No. Why not? 416 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,860 I didn't want to get involved in it. 417 00:24:41,180 --> 00:24:42,980 And how is it you're down here today? 418 00:24:43,420 --> 00:24:44,940 The detective found me, you know. 419 00:24:45,180 --> 00:24:46,660 He's appealing me to be here. 420 00:24:46,860 --> 00:24:48,300 He asked me what I knew about it. 421 00:24:48,380 --> 00:24:50,460 I got off my chest, I told. 422 00:24:50,820 --> 00:24:51,600 Thank you. 423 00:24:55,580 --> 00:25:00,380 Homosexuality became such an issue that later in the case, Binderfeld compelled 424 00:25:00,700 --> 00:25:05,480 to elicit this testimony from a singer named Gwendolyn Marie Harden. 425 00:25:05,860 --> 00:25:07,260 You know the defendant Wayne Williams? 426 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:09,260 Yes, I do. 427 00:25:09,660 --> 00:25:11,380 Tell him how long you've known Wayne Williams. 428 00:25:12,300 --> 00:25:13,380 About 11 years. 429 00:25:13,820 --> 00:25:16,420 You tell me whether he was serious about his music business? 430 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,020 Oh, he was very serious. 431 00:25:18,500 --> 00:25:21,580 Little lady, I don't want to be personal with you, but I have to be. 432 00:25:22,020 --> 00:25:26,820 Tell this jury whether or not you and Wayne Williams were close friends, romantically 433 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:28,980 inclined or whatever. 434 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:32,620 All of them. 435 00:25:33,460 --> 00:25:34,600 Did he ever kiss you? 436 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:36,240 Yes, he did. 437 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,460 Could you tell the jury whether you had affection for him? 438 00:25:41,180 --> 00:25:42,120 Yes, I did. 439 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,600 Have you ever been intimate with him? 440 00:25:45,900 --> 00:25:47,260 Have you had sex with him? 441 00:25:51,580 --> 00:25:52,680 Yes, I did. 442 00:25:53,660 --> 00:25:54,210 Thank you. 443 00:25:57,220 --> 00:25:58,740 Would you give us your name, please? 444 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:00,840 Tia, but Bane. 445 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,460 Mr. Bane, did you know Larry Rogers? 446 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,020 Yes. Where was the last time you saw him? 447 00:26:10,300 --> 00:26:12,540 It was at Georgia's food service. 448 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:14,360 What happened? 449 00:26:15,380 --> 00:26:19,480 Well, Larry came up to me and he said, 450 00:26:20,780 --> 00:26:23,940 Breese, that's my nickname, Cool Breese. 451 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,900 He said, I want a joint. 452 00:26:28,980 --> 00:26:30,260 He said, me and my buddy over there, you know. 453 00:26:30,700 --> 00:26:31,820 How did you see his friend? 454 00:26:33,180 --> 00:26:34,440 His friend was sitting in the car. 455 00:26:35,380 --> 00:26:36,540 He said, that's my buddy. 456 00:26:37,820 --> 00:26:39,880 I said, man, you ain't trying to bust me, is you? 457 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:41,700 He said, no, no, no. 458 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,660 I said, okay, come on. 459 00:26:44,180 --> 00:26:45,400 You don't want number one joint? 460 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,960 You see, I don't call it a joint, I call it a herb. 461 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,520 So, he got out the dollar, I said, come on. 462 00:26:55,060 --> 00:26:55,820 I took it. 463 00:26:56,500 --> 00:27:00,060 And we went to the White folks, and the White folks gave him the joint. 464 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,780 Now, do you see the person in the courtroom that you saw with Larry Rogers? 465 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,060 That gentleman right over there. 466 00:27:13,380 --> 00:27:14,160 Your witness. 467 00:27:18,380 --> 00:27:20,260 You say your name is Cool Breese? 468 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:21,560 That's what they call me. 469 00:27:21,980 --> 00:27:25,490 And when you saw the man you say you saw, what kind of car was he 470 00:27:25,500 --> 00:27:29,800 in? It was a Nova, a Firebird or something. 471 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:31,220 What color was it? 472 00:27:32,140 --> 00:27:33,100 A two-toned car. 473 00:27:34,180 --> 00:27:36,700 Could have been black on top and red on the bottom. 474 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:38,300 I can't say. 475 00:27:39,180 --> 00:27:41,640 What's green? It might be. 476 00:27:42,780 --> 00:27:43,820 Could have been green. 477 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:45,280 Could have been red. 478 00:27:46,260 --> 00:27:48,140 Yeah. Could have been red. 479 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,780 Might have been either one of those two colors. 480 00:27:50,820 --> 00:27:52,240 Them are the ones you choose. 481 00:27:52,540 --> 00:27:53,340 I don't know. 482 00:27:53,660 --> 00:27:55,200 Well, just take any version I want to. 483 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,420 Yeah, you the man. 484 00:27:58,300 --> 00:28:00,040 I'm just here talking to you. 485 00:28:01,260 --> 00:28:06,060 Now, when you saw Wayne with Larry Rogers, then they announced that Larry Rogers was 486 00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:07,880 dead. You didn't tell anyone, did you? 487 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,440 I didn't come forward because I didn't think that they would believe me. 488 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,800 See, I had done some crimes before. 489 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,260 Did you tell this jury what kind of crimes you were convicted for? 490 00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:23,640 Gamlin. I see. 491 00:28:23,860 --> 00:28:24,410 What else? 492 00:28:25,740 --> 00:28:27,080 Driving without a license. 493 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:28,080 All right. What else? 494 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,220 Drugs. Do you ever serve any time? 495 00:28:34,020 --> 00:28:35,020 A few times. 496 00:28:35,620 --> 00:28:37,140 Were you ever in a hospital? 497 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,820 I had to go to one once to kick. 498 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,540 Kick? You know, to kick the habit. 499 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,180 Oh, to get rid of your habit. 500 00:28:48,060 --> 00:28:49,360 Right. I see. 501 00:28:50,220 --> 00:28:52,000 You got something stronger than marijuana then? 502 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,200 Yep. What were you doing? 503 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,520 Were you shooting speed or something? 504 00:28:57,740 --> 00:28:59,620 Nope. What was it? 505 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,820 Boy. Arrowing? 506 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:05,720 That's it. 507 00:29:07,220 --> 00:29:08,540 You smoking joint now? 508 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,640 Yeah. Sure you do. 509 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,080 I smoke dope, makes you feel good, doesn't it? 510 00:29:13,540 --> 00:29:14,800 It's better than we're worried. 511 00:29:14,860 --> 00:29:16,040 What sure it is. 512 00:29:17,220 --> 00:29:19,120 Smoking any before you came up here today? 513 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:20,640 A little bit? 514 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,640 I had a coffee in there. 515 00:29:24,060 --> 00:29:25,200 Had a little coffee? 516 00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:25,980 Had a little herb. 517 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:27,080 Right on. 518 00:29:30,860 --> 00:29:34,110 That old herb you put in your mouth and it took a puff and made you 519 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,920 feel good, didn't it? 520 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,940 I wish I had 2,700,000 of them. 521 00:29:44,660 --> 00:29:45,880 Thank you very much. 522 00:29:46,780 --> 00:29:47,560 It's all you on it. 523 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,320 Mr. Toan, where do you work? 524 00:29:52,540 --> 00:29:53,800 Southern Ambulance Service. 525 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,160 Did you know Wayne Williams during this period? 526 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,360 Yeah. I met him at the Ambulance Service. 527 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,160 Did you ever have an occasion to see him exhibit his strength? 528 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,240 Yes, sir. We got into scuffles at times. 529 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,540 You look to be a pretty big fella. 530 00:30:07,980 --> 00:30:10,160 Tell us how much you weigh and how tall you are. 531 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,380 6'1", 260 pounds. 532 00:30:12,620 --> 00:30:15,220 What would you say as far as Williams' strength? 533 00:30:16,460 --> 00:30:19,640 For a man his size, he was far above average strength, I would say. 534 00:30:20,420 --> 00:30:22,150 That little guy could handle himself pretty good. 535 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,960 Now, did he ever confide in you his feelings towards certain elements of 536 00:30:27,140 --> 00:30:31,850 his race? He asked me, had I ever considered how many niggers he could 537 00:30:31,860 --> 00:30:33,960 eliminate by killing one nigger child? 538 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,330 By eliminating that child, that child couldn't reproduce and his children 539 00:30:38,340 --> 00:30:39,840 couldn't reproduce and so forth. 540 00:30:40,100 --> 00:30:40,800 Along those lines. 541 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,310 That's all. Mr. 542 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:48,120 Binder. Now you talked a lot about Wayne's attitude toward people of 543 00:30:48,140 --> 00:30:51,560 his race. When you addressed him, did you always address him respectfully? 544 00:30:52,780 --> 00:30:55,460 No, sir. I never always addressed Wayne respectfully. 545 00:30:56,140 --> 00:30:58,880 And you know what words are offensive to black people, don't you? 546 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:00,360 I know a lot of them. 547 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,400 Let the record reflect that you are a member of the Caucasian or white race, 548 00:31:05,540 --> 00:31:08,200 aren't you? I appear to be, yes, sir. 549 00:31:09,540 --> 00:31:10,800 Do you remember ever being in his house? 550 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,790 Yes, sir. You remember picking him up in front of his mother in a bear hug 551 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:16,900 and holding him tight? 552 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,880 I'm not going to night, but I don't remember. 553 00:31:21,100 --> 00:31:24,120 That's the fact that you shamed him in front of his mother. 554 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,230 He couldn't get away from you and you was holding him in a bear hug right 555 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:28,500 there in front of his own mother. 556 00:31:28,980 --> 00:31:29,920 I don't remember. 557 00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:34,720 Are you in your size and the state of your strength? 558 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,520 Are you afraid of Wayne Williams? 559 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,420 I'm not afraid of anybody. 560 00:31:40,420 --> 00:31:42,580 No, sir. I'm not afraid of Wayne Williams either. 561 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,580 You know, he's no match for human strength. 562 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:48,560 Isn't that the truth? 563 00:31:49,620 --> 00:31:52,000 I personally don't think he could be, no, sir. 564 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,860 Were you and Wayne Williams good friends on one occasion? 565 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,460 Yes, we were. 566 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:08,440 Now, can you tell me, from having seen him on numerous occasions and talking to him, 567 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,340 if he had any particular hatred toward any particular segment of his race? 568 00:32:14,220 --> 00:32:15,520 Just the poor kids. 569 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,070 Did you have an occasion to discuss this with Wayne about his picking on kids when 570 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,200 you passed some on the street? 571 00:32:23,100 --> 00:32:25,940 Yes. Tell us about that conversation. 572 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,970 We were passing by some kids on the street who were up very late and he 573 00:32:31,980 --> 00:32:33,400 said something to them. 574 00:32:33,940 --> 00:32:36,280 And I asked him, what in the world is wrong with you? 575 00:32:36,820 --> 00:32:39,520 He said, they need to be off the street. 576 00:32:40,180 --> 00:32:44,910 So I said, I know you don't like kids like that, but one day you're going 577 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,230 to keep messing with these children and they're going to jump on you and beat you 578 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:53,040 up. His reply was, they could not beat me up because 579 00:32:53,300 --> 00:32:55,440 I could knock them out. 580 00:32:57,420 --> 00:33:00,400 Now, did he indicate how he could knock them out? 581 00:33:01,460 --> 00:33:04,370 He said, all you need to do is just take some part of your neck and 582 00:33:04,380 --> 00:33:07,680 press against it and a person could be knocked out within seconds. 583 00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:11,200 Now, did he put his hand to his throat like you did just now? 584 00:33:11,580 --> 00:33:16,380 Yes. Now, I want to go back to the so 585 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,880 -called bridge incident. 586 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,300 Did Wayne come and see you? 587 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,900 Yes. What happened? 588 00:33:25,740 --> 00:33:30,540 I said, Wayne, I go along with anything else, but 589 00:33:30,780 --> 00:33:33,520 just give me a reason why you be on the bridge. 590 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,620 He said, don't worry about it because he was going to sue. 591 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,780 He was going to sue the news media and stuff and he'd get money. 592 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,880 So I said, well, you are playing a game with people's lives. 593 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:51,440 I said, Wayne, will you confess before 594 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:52,420 you get hurt? 595 00:33:52,940 --> 00:33:57,740 I said, if they get enough evidence on you before you get hurt, will 596 00:33:58,540 --> 00:33:59,280 you confess? 597 00:34:01,620 --> 00:34:04,280 And Wayne Williams said, yes. 598 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,880 With friends like this, you don't need any enemies. 599 00:34:09,060 --> 00:34:10,620 Yeah, well, she gives a friend of mine. 600 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,560 I want you to ask her something. 601 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,740 I want you to ask her whether she feels like killing him. 602 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,120 You know what I'm going to do with that, Wayne? 603 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:17,760 Yes, I do. 604 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:18,590 I won't do it. 605 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,970 Well, now you told me once in cases that you tried, the defendant has the right 606 00:34:22,980 --> 00:34:25,860 to call his own shots because it's his life that's involved. 607 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,720 That's right. Well, I want you to ask her whether she feels like killing him. 608 00:34:31,740 --> 00:34:33,140 Are you Wayne friend? 609 00:34:37,620 --> 00:34:38,980 I like Wayne. 610 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:45,070 When Wayne Williams was discovered at the bridge and then arrested, your friendship 611 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,660 form sort of passed away, didn't it? 612 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:53,160 No. You really became ashamed that you even knew him, didn't 613 00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:58,010 you? No. It's just that I don't think the people understand that Wayne is weird and 614 00:34:58,020 --> 00:34:59,320 he has a split personality. 615 00:35:00,020 --> 00:35:01,280 I think he needs help. 616 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,520 Wayne, I really don't want to ask that question. 617 00:35:08,660 --> 00:35:10,700 Look, I'm telling you to ask it. 618 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,460 Are you trying to animate to this jury that you think Wayne Williams killed somebody? 619 00:35:25,500 --> 00:35:27,040 Is that what you're trying to tell this jury? 620 00:35:29,740 --> 00:35:31,740 Do you actually want me to say? 621 00:35:33,860 --> 00:35:36,780 Do you know he's killed somebody? 622 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,160 You know I don't. 623 00:35:41,580 --> 00:35:42,260 Thank you. 624 00:35:55,260 --> 00:35:57,680 Would you like to answer that question now? 625 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:00,480 What question? 626 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:03,480 I believe Mr. 627 00:36:03,540 --> 00:36:06,700 Byron's question was, do you think he killed somebody? 628 00:36:08,860 --> 00:36:13,340 Are you asking me do I think Wayne Williams killed somebody? 629 00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:14,360 Yes, ma'am. 630 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:17,680 I think he killed somebody. 631 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,740 Yes. I do. 632 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:31,720 I really feel that Wayne Williams killed somebody. 633 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:33,960 And I'm sorry. 634 00:36:44,460 --> 00:36:46,830 My heart bled for Homer and Fay Williams. 635 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,820 For over 40 years they had been school teachers. 636 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,520 Now they were shunned by even their closest friends. 637 00:36:53,860 --> 00:36:54,410 How you do? 638 00:36:54,780 --> 00:36:55,330 B.C.D. 639 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:04,400 Mr. Williams, what kind of interest did Wayne develop when he was 12 or 640 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:05,460 14 years old? 641 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:11,320 Wayne built his own radio station down in the basement when he was 642 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,930 14. Did you have any financial part in that? 643 00:37:14,940 --> 00:37:18,220 Wayne had put his heart, time. 644 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:20,820 I had put my money into it. 645 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,300 My wife had put her money into it. 646 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,520 I bought a lot of equipment. 647 00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:29,820 So as a result of that we had to go bankrupt. 648 00:37:31,860 --> 00:37:36,560 Mr. Williams, did you bear any ill feeling or hard feeling toward your son over there? 649 00:37:37,620 --> 00:37:39,700 No, not at all. 650 00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:44,900 If I had it to do over, I'd do it again. 651 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:46,800 Did you consider yourself a failure? 652 00:37:48,380 --> 00:37:53,180 No. Young as Wayne was, I certainly couldn't consider 653 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,040 him a failure. 654 00:37:56,100 --> 00:37:58,280 Now what is the state of Mrs. 655 00:37:58,400 --> 00:37:58,950 Williams' health? 656 00:38:01,260 --> 00:38:03,440 She had a radicum mastectomy. 657 00:38:04,500 --> 00:38:05,700 She has cancer. 658 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:07,720 She still is on chemotherapy. 659 00:38:08,740 --> 00:38:13,540 When Mrs. Williams was home from the hospital after surgery, was 660 00:38:14,260 --> 00:38:16,680 she confined to the house for any length of time? 661 00:38:17,540 --> 00:38:22,340 Yes. Are there any parts of the house to which she does 662 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:23,780 not have access? 663 00:38:24,220 --> 00:38:28,400 No. Is it possible that Wayne could be an inheritance? 664 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,720 Killing children in your house and you and Mrs. 665 00:38:31,780 --> 00:38:32,980 Williams not atone about it? 666 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,590 I don't believe my son would hurt anyone. 667 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,970 But it would not be possible with my wife at home all the time with her 668 00:38:39,980 --> 00:38:41,540 illness. No, sir. 669 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:47,720 Now the prosecution at one point suggested that perhaps Wayne 670 00:38:47,780 --> 00:38:50,480 chloroform children in your house. 671 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:57,320 Does Wayne keep any strange or unusual chemicals in your house such as chloroform? 672 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,200 No. I wouldn't allow that in my home. 673 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,860 I was a teacher in the Atlanta Public School system. 674 00:39:12,780 --> 00:39:15,670 Would you be kind enough to tell us how many years did you teach in this 675 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,160 city? 32 years. 676 00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:22,260 Would it embarrass you to tell a jury how old you were when Wayne was born? 677 00:39:23,300 --> 00:39:28,100 41. Now, when Wayne was born, would you tell a jury whether or 678 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,800 not he was a planned child? 679 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:31,680 He wasn't planned. 680 00:39:32,380 --> 00:39:33,840 He was our miracle child. 681 00:39:35,140 --> 00:39:39,710 That's all. Tell the jury, what did you understand your son was going to do in 682 00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:40,500 the music business? 683 00:39:41,620 --> 00:39:46,420 He wanted to work with young people because the black music field was playing 684 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,400 out and he felt like that new talent needed to be introduced. 685 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,580 Now, I know telephone calls you took. 686 00:39:53,580 --> 00:39:56,940 But there always be calls from young men or were there any calls from women? 687 00:39:57,620 --> 00:40:02,420 I took calls from young old boys, girls, black and white inquiring about 688 00:40:02,860 --> 00:40:03,500 his group. 689 00:40:05,580 --> 00:40:08,580 Did they ever leave their telephone numbers if Wayne wasn't there? 690 00:40:10,460 --> 00:40:15,260 I remember a young lady calling wanting to set up an appointment to 691 00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:15,980 have an audition. 692 00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:17,840 You remember her name? 693 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:23,480 Cheryl Johnson. The woman my son went looking for the night they say 694 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,860 that he threw a body into the water. 695 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,220 Did she give you the telephone number? 696 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:29,700 Yes, she did. 697 00:40:30,220 --> 00:40:33,080 And I wrote it down on a piece of paper and gave it to Wayne. 698 00:40:34,020 --> 00:40:37,920 Was Wayne a problem child in any way? 699 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:44,360 No. Have you ever witnessed your son commit any type of 700 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,020 violent act whatsoever? 701 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,800 Never. Now, you've heard the names of Nathaniel Cater and Jimmy Ray 702 00:40:51,940 --> 00:40:54,320 Payne that your son is charged with murder. 703 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,800 Have you ever seen or heard the names of those individuals 704 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,500 regarding your son? 705 00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:04,340 No, I have not. 706 00:41:06,100 --> 00:41:09,980 And may I say something to add to that if it's permissible? 707 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:10,710 Yes, ma'am. 708 00:41:12,180 --> 00:41:16,980 Having worked in this community for about 32 years, I am a lover of 709 00:41:17,140 --> 00:41:20,600 children. I was very grieve for their parents. 710 00:41:20,660 --> 00:41:21,440 It hurt me. 711 00:41:21,860 --> 00:41:23,560 Just like it hurt other people. 712 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:30,480 But deep down in my heart, I don't think those children were killed by any 713 00:41:30,780 --> 00:41:31,620 young person. 714 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:34,720 That's something. 715 00:41:40,260 --> 00:41:42,980 Did you visit Wayne in his home from time to time? 716 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,720 Yes, sir. Will you tell us if anything what happened between Wayne Williams and 717 00:41:48,980 --> 00:41:49,730 his mother and father? 718 00:41:49,740 --> 00:41:53,620 Well, Wayne asked his dad to write him a check for something. 719 00:41:54,740 --> 00:41:59,130 His dad wouldn't sign the check, so Wayne started cussing, started trying to get him 720 00:41:59,140 --> 00:41:59,780 and push him. 721 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,030 And when his mother was trying to keep him away from his dad, pushed out of 722 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,500 the way and he slapped her. 723 00:42:05,780 --> 00:42:06,600 He slapped his mother? 724 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,860 Yeah, and he jumped on top of his dad or something. 725 00:42:10,620 --> 00:42:13,740 He was choking him, trying to stop him. 726 00:42:13,900 --> 00:42:15,780 He had his hands on his daddy's throat? 727 00:42:16,700 --> 00:42:18,780 Yeah. What happened there? 728 00:42:19,220 --> 00:42:21,140 That's when his daddy went for a shotgun. 729 00:42:21,900 --> 00:42:25,250 Came back in there and started cussing, said something like... 730 00:42:25,260 --> 00:42:26,260 We're starting cursing! 731 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,080 Wayne. What did his daddy do? 732 00:42:34,260 --> 00:42:36,000 Daddy was pointing a gun at him. 733 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,180 Said he'd shoot his head off. 734 00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:43,320 Did you ever have any problem with Sheldon camp that you can recall? 735 00:42:44,020 --> 00:42:45,700 Yes. What was it? 736 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,060 Well, it was after Wayne had asked Sheldon to leave the group. 737 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,020 Why didn't he ask him to leave the group? 738 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,700 Well, he had asked my husband to me that if he was going to continue singing, 739 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:57,860 he needed a minibike. 740 00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,000 And we had to come up with it right away. 741 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,100 What did you say to him? 742 00:43:02,500 --> 00:43:05,890 Well, I explained to him that Wayne didn't have money, that all money that had been 743 00:43:05,900 --> 00:43:07,560 invested in the effort had come from us. 744 00:43:07,900 --> 00:43:11,080 So he proceeded to get very in-victimant with me. 745 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,480 And I asked him to leave. 746 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:18,280 Do you know of any knock-down drag-out fight that Wayne 747 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:19,640 ever had with his daddy? 748 00:43:20,420 --> 00:43:25,220 No. Were you ever so seriously at odds with one another that it got 749 00:43:25,340 --> 00:43:27,800 to be huge family trauma or something? 750 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,040 No. Oh, but at times they are getting you worried. 751 00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:34,400 Of course, it's a normal family. 752 00:43:36,260 --> 00:43:40,840 And I resent them bringing in somebody like Sheldon Kemp. 753 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,740 Who we were kind to and tried to help. 754 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,520 And it would say those things about us. 755 00:43:48,940 --> 00:43:51,040 May I say something, Your Honor? 756 00:43:51,420 --> 00:43:56,220 Yes. Now, I want to tell you 757 00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,220 what you have accomplished and what you have not accomplished. 758 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:05,030 Wayne's character has been drugged through the mud. 759 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:09,840 My husband's character has been drugged through 760 00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:12,280 the mud. Mine has been drugged. 761 00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:18,040 In fact, they have ruined the Williams family and they continue to lie and lie. 762 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:23,400 But they have not produced evidence that my son is a killer. 763 00:44:30,380 --> 00:44:33,440 Now, Wayne, you don't mind me calling you Wayne, do you? 764 00:44:33,700 --> 00:44:36,600 No. You've been friends over these last few months, haven't you? 765 00:44:36,820 --> 00:44:37,370 That's right. 766 00:44:38,780 --> 00:44:41,580 I want you to speak out because this is your day in court. 767 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:42,980 I want the jury to hear you. 768 00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:45,540 I'm scared. 769 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:51,570 Now, somewhere or another during this trial, it's dawned on you that they have 770 00:44:51,580 --> 00:44:54,660 tried to depict you as a person who doesn't like poor people. 771 00:44:55,020 --> 00:44:55,900 You got that, didn't you? 772 00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:57,800 Yeah, I heard that. 773 00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:04,450 Wayne, look at the jury and tell me, do you have anything in your heart against 774 00:45:04,460 --> 00:45:07,000 poor people? Look, I'm poor myself. 775 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,480 I didn't even have enough money to pay you. 776 00:45:10,260 --> 00:45:14,670 Look at the jury and tell me whether or not you are a homosexual or have 777 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,380 any sexual hang-up. 778 00:45:17,580 --> 00:45:19,720 Now, there ain't no way that I'm no homosexual. 779 00:45:19,940 --> 00:45:20,490 No, uh-uh. 780 00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:22,500 All right. Now, I mean, I put it like this. 781 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,250 I don't have no grudge against them. 782 00:45:24,260 --> 00:45:27,570 I mean, just as long as they keep their hands to themselves and stay away from 783 00:45:27,580 --> 00:45:28,200 me, I'm all right. 784 00:45:28,300 --> 00:45:29,780 Hey, but just don't come near me. 785 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:35,000 All right. Now, the boy was up here and testified that you were feeling 786 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,100 it. Yeah, well, he's a bare-faced lie. 787 00:45:37,700 --> 00:45:42,240 And there was someone come up here and said they saw you and Mr. 788 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,440 Cater holding hands downtown just shortly before he died. 789 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,040 Now, I ain't been holding hands with no man. 790 00:45:48,940 --> 00:45:53,740 You realize that you were charged with the murder of 791 00:45:54,140 --> 00:45:55,120 two individuals, Mr. 792 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:55,760 Cater and Mr. 793 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,440 Payne? Yes, I do. 794 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,380 Now, tell the jury, Wayne, did you ever know either of these two men? 795 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,120 I don't know them, and I have never seen them in my life. 796 00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:13,500 Have you ever taken your hands and put them around anybody's neck and choked them to 797 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:18,400 death? Never. Have you ever taken a knife in your hand and 798 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,800 put that knife into somebody else's body? 799 00:46:21,540 --> 00:46:26,340 No. Have you ever taken a rope and put that rope around somebody's neck and 800 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:28,120 squeezed them to death? 801 00:46:29,100 --> 00:46:29,650 No, sir. 802 00:46:31,220 --> 00:46:34,300 Do you know the deceased master Jojo Bell? 803 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,100 No. Do you know Patrick Baltazar? 804 00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:38,230 No, no, I didn't. 805 00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:43,040 But I went down the list of every young person of 806 00:46:43,220 --> 00:46:48,020 the ten patterns the judge led in, including Nathaniel, Cater and Mr. 807 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,460 Payne. Would your answer be the same? 808 00:46:51,060 --> 00:46:52,140 Look, I haven't killed anybody. 809 00:46:55,240 --> 00:46:55,790 Now, Wayne, 810 00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,240 before I turn you over to the prosecution, across examination, 811 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,700 is there anything I haven't asked you that you want to say to this jury? 812 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,740 Look, I know that I have not done anything wrong. 813 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:11,860 That's all. 814 00:47:16,260 --> 00:47:17,340 Go with us. 815 00:47:33,100 --> 00:47:36,940 Why did you select the name Gemini for your group? 816 00:47:37,580 --> 00:47:38,700 Well, it's my birthday. 817 00:47:40,620 --> 00:47:42,420 Does it have another significance? 818 00:47:43,100 --> 00:47:45,130 Well, every birth date has a significance. 819 00:47:45,140 --> 00:47:47,320 I mean, if you believe in horoscopes, yeah. 820 00:47:48,180 --> 00:47:51,120 It means duels or twins, doesn't it? 821 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,900 Like Jekyll and Hyde. 822 00:47:53,780 --> 00:47:58,580 No. Is this the evidence that you're threatening to unleash against me, Mr. 823 00:47:58,860 --> 00:48:03,000 Myler? Now, Mr. 824 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,920 Henry testified that he saw you holding hands with Nathaniel 825 00:48:08,140 --> 00:48:12,940 Cater. Do you have any idea why he would come in here and lie 826 00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:16,260 about that? Well, in the first place, he ain't see me holding hands with no man, 827 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,880 Mr. Because I didn't told you I don't hold hands with no man, no way. 828 00:48:21,340 --> 00:48:22,300 Why did you do it then? 829 00:48:22,740 --> 00:48:26,430 With the reward as high as it is in this case, I'd probably get out there 830 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:27,260 and lie myself. 831 00:48:31,420 --> 00:48:33,040 You ever threatened your father with violence? 832 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,260 No. You never sold it to him, joked him? 833 00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:41,040 As big as my daddy is. 834 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:46,240 No. He's 835 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:48,280 impressing the jury. 836 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:49,430 I know it. 837 00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:51,720 I can feel it. 838 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,020 But I can't shake him, Lewis. 839 00:48:55,380 --> 00:48:56,220 You shake him? 840 00:48:57,020 --> 00:48:58,780 He don't call you blood mallet for nothing. 841 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,500 I'm not getting much blood now. 842 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:02,320 Well, you'll do it. 843 00:49:03,140 --> 00:49:04,120 Just take your time, Jack. 844 00:49:06,180 --> 00:49:07,240 Keep him on the stand. 845 00:49:08,620 --> 00:49:10,360 I don't care if it takes days. 846 00:49:10,580 --> 00:49:11,900 I don't care if it takes a week. 847 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,120 You know, this little man has got a high opinion of himself. 848 00:49:16,220 --> 00:49:19,160 He'll do everything to protect his own high estimate of himself. 849 00:49:20,980 --> 00:49:22,600 Ask him about those record deals. 850 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:24,820 Ask him if he's really a pilot. 851 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,380 Ask him if he considers himself a failure. 852 00:49:28,740 --> 00:49:32,020 I'm just a little afraid he won't lose that damn composure of his. 853 00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:38,780 Instead of him cracking, I'm afraid I might crack. 854 00:49:40,900 --> 00:49:42,200 Just do what I say. 855 00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:43,960 You'll see. 856 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:45,920 He'll crack. 857 00:49:47,220 --> 00:49:49,800 And when he does, the jury will see that other side of him. 858 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,510 The side they've been wondering about him is a pudgy little boy with the thick 859 00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:55,600 glasses and the afro. 860 00:49:56,660 --> 00:50:01,460 The side that just might take little children by 861 00:50:01,700 --> 00:50:02,250 the throat. 862 00:50:03,340 --> 00:50:05,120 Squeeze the life out of them. 863 00:50:05,620 --> 00:50:10,420 Whether it's because he's homosexual or asexual or wanting 864 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:12,580 to improve the race. 865 00:50:14,860 --> 00:50:15,860 They'll see Jim and I. 866 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,480 They'll see Jekyll and Hyde. 867 00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:26,040 How do you think it went? 868 00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:28,420 How do you think it went fine? 869 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,720 Wait, now you sound like you don't think it went fine. 870 00:50:33,340 --> 00:50:35,780 No, it did very well. 871 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:41,640 But? Well, you'll find 872 00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,760 you're articulate, even a sense of humor. 873 00:50:45,540 --> 00:50:47,010 But what's missing is... 874 00:50:47,020 --> 00:50:47,880 What, man? What? 875 00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:53,130 Well, I know if I don't understand from my life, there were concoctin lies about me 876 00:50:53,140 --> 00:50:54,300 killing 29 people. 877 00:50:54,500 --> 00:50:56,870 I don't think I'd be able to have the composure you had. 878 00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,860 The coolness you had. 879 00:50:59,660 --> 00:51:02,000 Indignation. Anger. That's what's missing. 880 00:51:02,060 --> 00:51:03,520 But what do you want me to do? 881 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:07,940 Mallard is a cool one. 882 00:51:08,060 --> 00:51:10,480 He's after your juggler every minute. 883 00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:12,680 Nobody expects you to be the same. 884 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,780 Look, I've been filming a lot of things, man. 885 00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:17,960 I just didn't know whether or not I should express them. 886 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,940 Express them? I want them to see a real human being up there. 887 00:51:23,180 --> 00:51:25,840 I want them to see the real Wayne William. 888 00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:35,050 Since graduating from high school, do you feel that you've failed to receive that 889 00:51:35,060 --> 00:51:37,560 type of recognition that you earlier had in life? 890 00:51:38,700 --> 00:51:40,140 A lot of people have gotten attention. 891 00:51:40,860 --> 00:51:45,460 You felt, because you had a radio station while you were still young, a teenager, 892 00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,600 that you were destined for great things? 893 00:51:49,180 --> 00:51:53,980 Look, you got a profile on who you believe done these killings in Atlanta, and 894 00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,850 you are trying your best to make these folks feel better. 895 00:51:56,860 --> 00:52:00,250 You know, the real thing is that I fit into that profile, and part of your 896 00:52:00,260 --> 00:52:01,580 profile's got to do with attention. 897 00:52:02,020 --> 00:52:06,040 Hey, well, hey, I'm not going to Bike here and aid you in doing that. 898 00:52:10,700 --> 00:52:12,260 What else is in that profile? 899 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:13,720 You published it in the newspaper. 900 00:52:13,900 --> 00:52:16,420 Why don't you just pull your newspaper and read it? 901 00:52:18,820 --> 00:52:21,220 Don't you feel that you need attention? 902 00:52:21,900 --> 00:52:23,420 I just answered the question. 903 00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,630 Isn't it true that you've been gaining publicity from the first day you became a 904 00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,300 suspect? Yeah, it's true, but I didn't want it. 905 00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,900 And why did you hold a press conference on June 4th? 906 00:52:34,860 --> 00:52:39,210 Isn't it true that at least you fit the profile of being a person who needs 907 00:52:39,220 --> 00:52:44,020 attention? Isn't it true that this was your center 908 00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,400 stage, that this was your challenge of a lifetime? 909 00:52:48,940 --> 00:52:50,840 You must be a fool. 910 00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:57,360 Isn't it true that you consider this whole thing a contest between you and the police? 911 00:52:59,020 --> 00:53:03,820 No. Mr. Williams, were you playing cat and mouse with the police? 912 00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,680 Look, I don't have any intention of playing cat and mouse with anybody. 913 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,930 You have harassed me, you've harassed my friends, my friends, and everybody else 914 00:53:10,940 --> 00:53:13,760 trying to put your Lord too bits worth a mess together. 915 00:53:16,740 --> 00:53:20,750 In fact, in your news conference, you bragged about it. 916 00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,840 The point was, it was the sloppiest surveillance that there ever was. 917 00:53:25,020 --> 00:53:26,980 I mean, even a two-year-old child could have made that. 918 00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:28,800 You were proud of that, weren't you? 919 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:29,740 No, I wasn't. 920 00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,660 As a matter of fact, hey, it makes you all look stupid, not me. 921 00:53:35,140 --> 00:53:39,940 In your news conference, you said, I 922 00:53:40,060 --> 00:53:42,410 made them probably in the first hour or two. 923 00:53:42,420 --> 00:53:43,040 Did you say that? 924 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:44,320 I certainly did. 925 00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,770 You were proud of that, weren't you? 926 00:53:46,780 --> 00:53:47,910 No, I wasn't. 927 00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,220 Do you remember the question asked you? 928 00:53:50,660 --> 00:53:53,360 You tend to laugh when you talk about the police. 929 00:53:53,460 --> 00:53:54,100 Do you remember that? 930 00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:55,340 I sure did laugh, Adam. 931 00:53:55,480 --> 00:54:00,280 Yes, sir. And you replied, I would say, if I had to make comparison, I would 932 00:54:00,300 --> 00:54:05,100 compare the FBI to the Keystone cops and the Atlanta police to car 54, where I 933 00:54:05,140 --> 00:54:07,600 am. I sure did, and I will say it again today. 934 00:54:08,780 --> 00:54:12,850 Now, there are witnesses who have testified that they've seen scratches on the top of 935 00:54:12,860 --> 00:54:14,020 your arms and your face. 936 00:54:14,100 --> 00:54:16,250 Yeah, well, I challenge you to find those scratches. 937 00:54:16,260 --> 00:54:21,060 My question is, did any of these victims scratch you while you were choking the life 938 00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:22,000 out of them? 939 00:54:22,060 --> 00:54:25,690 No. Isn't it true that while you were choking them to death with their last 940 00:54:25,700 --> 00:54:28,520 breath, they were scratching your arms and your face? 941 00:54:28,780 --> 00:54:31,010 Did you experience any panic at any point there? 942 00:54:31,020 --> 00:54:34,470 At what? At any point during the time you were killing these victims. 943 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:35,960 Sir, I haven't killed anybody! 944 00:54:36,180 --> 00:54:37,120 You killed them! 945 00:54:37,140 --> 00:54:37,830 Isn't that true? 946 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,060 I'm telling you what happened. 947 00:54:39,660 --> 00:54:42,160 I'm not lying about knowing any of these victims. 948 00:54:42,700 --> 00:54:46,300 I feel just as sorry for them and their families as anybody else in this world. 949 00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:47,660 I didn't want to see this happen. 950 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,320 As a matter of fact, hey, I'm 23 years old. 951 00:54:50,980 --> 00:54:54,460 Who knows? I might have ended up one of those dead persons out there. 952 00:54:56,780 --> 00:54:58,700 That's all. Thank you. 953 00:55:06,540 --> 00:55:08,040 They calling me Dr. 954 00:55:08,260 --> 00:55:09,180 Jekyll and Mr. 955 00:55:09,260 --> 00:55:11,120 Hyde. Sorry, Wayne. 956 00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:15,820 Jekyll and Hyde. 957 00:55:16,460 --> 00:55:17,360 It's not a house, Paul. 958 00:55:17,700 --> 00:55:19,300 He didn't tell you to call him out or to fool. 959 00:55:19,340 --> 00:55:21,080 No, at first I was too cool. 960 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:23,720 And nobody could be that cool. 961 00:55:25,860 --> 00:55:29,720 The next time you have a client who's on trial for his life, Mr. 962 00:55:29,820 --> 00:55:34,620 Binder, don't tell him to show his real feelings. 963 00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,450 Thanks, Jack. Thanks, Jack. 964 00:55:45,460 --> 00:55:47,760 Would you people kind of take your trays elsewhere, please? 965 00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:49,100 What's the matter? 966 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:50,260 We always have lunch with you. 967 00:55:50,380 --> 00:55:53,500 Now that the trial is over, I can let some of my real feelings show through. 968 00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,060 I think it'll improve my intergestion. 969 00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:56,480 Hey, there's no beef with us, Jack. 970 00:55:57,020 --> 00:55:58,900 We gave you plenty of space when you put the force. 971 00:55:59,020 --> 00:56:01,120 You gave me space because you thought it would make a good story. 972 00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,510 I guess you thought this would make a good story, too, didn't you? 973 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:04,540 Yes, I did. 974 00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:08,740 Funny, I didn't see it like that. 975 00:56:09,020 --> 00:56:10,480 Maybe you and I went to two different trials. 976 00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:11,340 What do you see? 977 00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:14,400 This young man was perfect for you from the beginning, wasn't he? 978 00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,240 Nobody can relate much to an oddball like Wayne Williams. 979 00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,460 He may very well be guilty, and then again, he may not. 980 00:56:19,860 --> 00:56:21,280 I'm saying I don't honestly know. 981 00:56:21,380 --> 00:56:24,430 I've been a cop for 18 years, and I've helped put people behind bars for the 982 00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,920 rest of their life, and I still don't know if they're guilty for sure. 983 00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,920 The two people never bothered to entertain doubts like that, do you? 984 00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,480 Come on, he's guilty as hell. 985 00:56:32,100 --> 00:56:32,930 You're so sure of that? 986 00:56:32,940 --> 00:56:33,720 Of course I am. 987 00:56:34,340 --> 00:56:35,160 What was the motive? 988 00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:38,280 What was the motive, Jerry? 989 00:56:38,380 --> 00:56:39,820 Come on, you're so damn sure of yourself. 990 00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:40,440 What was it? 991 00:56:41,380 --> 00:56:42,700 He found fame at 14. 992 00:56:43,420 --> 00:56:44,800 From then on, his life was downhill. 993 00:56:45,060 --> 00:56:46,000 He needed attention. 994 00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,980 Downhill? He was 21 when the murder started. 995 00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,320 You're trying to tell me his life was downhill at 21? 996 00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:52,600 What the hell were you doing at 21? 997 00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:54,440 He was a homosexual. 998 00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:55,560 He used those kids. 999 00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:59,090 Nobody ever proved he was a homosexual, and even if he was, and he did use 1000 00:56:59,100 --> 00:57:00,350 them, why would he kill them? 1001 00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:01,700 No, I think it's just the opposite. 1002 00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,870 I think he hated homosexuals, and he was punishing them because he was afraid of 1003 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,060 homosexuality in himself. 1004 00:57:07,180 --> 00:57:08,720 He was washed up at 21. 1005 00:57:08,860 --> 00:57:09,410 He was a homosexual. 1006 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,880 He hated homosexuals and killed to improve his race. 1007 00:57:11,900 --> 00:57:13,280 Boy, there's something there for everyone in there. 1008 00:57:13,700 --> 00:57:14,880 What are you so angry about? 1009 00:57:17,180 --> 00:57:18,980 There were things to write about in this case. 1010 00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:20,360 I mean really important things. 1011 00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,960 Like the lack of attention given to homicides of poor minority kids. 1012 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:25,120 Like the use of pattern. 1013 00:57:25,340 --> 00:57:26,500 Like the use of the fibers. 1014 00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,270 And whether it really is substantial when there is no supporting evidence. 1015 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,720 Things that could affect the judicial system for years to come. 1016 00:57:32,980 --> 00:57:34,550 But none of these things will be dealt with, will they? 1017 00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,370 No. Because the rest of the world thinks you people know what the hell you're 1018 00:57:37,380 --> 00:57:41,040 writing about. And that this was the case of the black, mad homosexual killer. 1019 00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,490 With elements of the appeal of every prejudiced superstition and hang up in our 1020 00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:48,550 contemporary society. I don't know whether you people are unimaginative, uninformed, 1021 00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:49,500 or just plain stupid. 1022 00:57:54,660 --> 00:57:55,780 What a wild character. 1023 00:57:56,420 --> 00:57:59,540 It's been involved so long with this case, he's finally gone off the deep end. 1024 00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:02,220 I don't know. 1025 00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,420 I'm not very proud of the way we covered this case. 1026 00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:08,630 Are you? 1027 00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:14,390 I told Wayne-Wayne to get on that witness stand, and it was his day in 1028 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,720 court, and to say it like it is. 1029 00:58:17,620 --> 00:58:21,620 Now, Mr. Slayton don't like the way Old Wayne talked to you. 1030 00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:23,300 Blame me. 1031 00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:29,000 Because I told Wayne-Williams, he is as good as anybody. 1032 00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:36,040 Now, they are talking 12 murders and inferred 29, and 1033 00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:37,720 what have they got to offer? 1034 00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,920 Gosset in Uendo, Snez. 1035 00:58:41,900 --> 00:58:43,500 Your mama cooks movies, doesn't she? 1036 00:58:44,020 --> 00:58:45,640 It's if something's wrong with that. 1037 00:58:46,900 --> 00:58:48,680 You know, all about the streets of Atlanta. 1038 00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,620 Don't you? Well, of course he does. 1039 00:58:50,740 --> 00:58:51,660 He lives here. 1040 00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:52,880 He was raised here. 1041 00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,100 Haven't made much money yet, have you? 1042 00:58:58,540 --> 00:59:00,980 23 years old, and still living at home. 1043 00:59:01,740 --> 00:59:02,440 Listen, folks, 1044 00:59:03,820 --> 00:59:08,620 if that makes a man guilty of murder, then I'm guilty of murder because 1045 00:59:09,300 --> 00:59:13,140 I lived with my mama and daddy till I was 25. 1046 00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,700 The prosecution then said, well, we'll call him a homosexual. 1047 00:59:20,060 --> 00:59:22,000 Prosecutions? The prosecution takes 1048 00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:24,980 a little blood to every cut. 1049 00:59:26,060 --> 00:59:29,840 And if you bleed a man enough, he soon dies. 1050 00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:34,200 But there was no evidence he was a homosexual. 1051 00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:39,070 They then stated he was a bigot and wanted to improve the race by killing black 1052 00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:43,360 children. Ladies and gentlemen, if he's that insane, he belongs in the saner salon, 1053 00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:44,160 not in the courtroom. 1054 00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:46,310 But that isn't all of it. 1055 00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:51,120 Oh, they would have you believe that 1056 00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,400 he has supernatural strength. 1057 00:59:56,200 --> 01:00:01,000 Enough to pick up a body which is dead weight, lifted over 1058 01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:06,040 a rail completely, without leaving any skin whatsoever, and without 1059 01:00:06,300 --> 01:00:11,100 the body showing any evidence of any scrapes or scratches on 1060 01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:12,690 it from that rail. 1061 01:00:12,700 --> 01:00:17,500 They tell you that this boy performed a great feat of strength. 1062 01:00:20,420 --> 01:00:25,080 This pudgy, fat little boy. 1063 01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,260 And I'm calling you boy because you're about the same age as my son. 1064 01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:32,120 Get up. 1065 01:00:35,140 --> 01:00:36,020 Get up! 1066 01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:40,840 Go over there to that jury. 1067 01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,900 If you think this is strength, 1068 01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:53,940 put out your hand. 1069 01:00:55,020 --> 01:00:55,900 Let them feel them. 1070 01:00:58,260 --> 01:00:59,380 Feel his hands. 1071 01:00:59,980 --> 01:01:01,660 Go ahead, feel the palms. 1072 01:01:03,460 --> 01:01:04,480 But look at them. 1073 01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:05,940 Touch them. 1074 01:01:11,900 --> 01:01:12,670 Look at him. 1075 01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,320 There is no muscle there. 1076 01:01:16,380 --> 01:01:18,400 If you don't believe it, touch him. 1077 01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,000 And he's not sinister either. 1078 01:01:31,820 --> 01:01:36,620 Do you realize that not one mother of any deceased child is testified 1079 01:01:36,780 --> 01:01:37,700 against this defendant? 1080 01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:39,420 Do you realize that Mrs. 1081 01:01:39,540 --> 01:01:42,000 Payne has not testified against this defendant? 1082 01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:44,200 And even no Wayne. 1083 01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:50,480 You keep hearing again and again that Wayne Williams must be 1084 01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:55,480 guilty because the murders have stopped, but are you sure the 1085 01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,300 murders have stopped? 1086 01:02:01,540 --> 01:02:06,340 We have requested the full facts, but we have been denied the 1087 01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:11,100 full facts. We know that little black girls are still being murdered. 1088 01:02:11,660 --> 01:02:12,480 Men of Mr. 1089 01:02:12,540 --> 01:02:13,160 Payne and Mr. 1090 01:02:13,220 --> 01:02:15,360 Cater's age are still being murdered. 1091 01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:20,520 The last black male child on the Task Force list was reported missing three 1092 01:02:20,620 --> 01:02:25,420 months before Wayne Williams was arrested or became a suspect. 1093 01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:31,000 Adults like Payne and Cater were 21 and 28 years old were killed 1094 01:02:31,100 --> 01:02:35,900 after that. Those are the only murders Wayne 1095 01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:40,260 Williams is being tried for in this courtroom. 1096 01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:45,600 Yet the world thinks that he is being charged 1097 01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,260 with child murders. 1098 01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,620 Think about it, if you will. 1099 01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:55,840 That's the tragedy and that's the facts. 1100 01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,120 Now you will make your decision. 1101 01:03:02,220 --> 01:03:07,020 But when you do, remember the songs when 1102 01:03:08,980 --> 01:03:11,640 the man called out who had done no wrong. 1103 01:03:12,820 --> 01:03:17,620 Who protects the weak and the helpless from those 1104 01:03:17,900 --> 01:03:19,000 who would attack them? 1105 01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:25,080 These evil men accuse me of things that I've never even 1106 01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:26,160 heard about. 1107 01:03:27,540 --> 01:03:29,180 Who but you, Jures, 1108 01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:35,640 can help keep Wayne Williams from things he's never 1109 01:03:35,740 --> 01:03:36,920 even heard about. 1110 01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:49,880 I told you from the beginning that this case was not going to be presented for 1111 01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:52,120 the gallery, but for you, 1112 01:03:53,180 --> 01:03:55,180 the chosen citizens of our community. 1113 01:03:56,340 --> 01:04:00,270 It was so like we were making you investigators where you could see the 1114 01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:04,160 evidence pile up in a logical order and make your own mind up. 1115 01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,780 Let's look at this defendant here. 1116 01:04:11,780 --> 01:04:16,580 First day on cross examination, he was an intelligent, calm, 1117 01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:19,500 cool, deliberate witness. 1118 01:04:20,380 --> 01:04:22,780 Then what happened on the second morning? 1119 01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,860 He was a completely different person. 1120 01:04:26,620 --> 01:04:29,280 He showed a contempt for everyone. 1121 01:04:30,180 --> 01:04:34,980 He showed a rage and explosion within him to do battle with his interrogator. 1122 01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,280 He let the curtain down on the second day. 1123 01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:45,320 I knew sooner or later that you would see that other personality come out. 1124 01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,980 Her jackal and hide. 1125 01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:56,960 The last killing done by the defendant on trial, Wayne Williams, was May 21st, 1126 01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:04,200 1981. There have been no murders in June or July, August, 1127 01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:09,800 September, October, November, December, or January or February of this 1128 01:05:09,900 --> 01:05:12,640 year. None. Why? 1129 01:05:13,420 --> 01:05:14,440 We've been with him. 1130 01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:16,440 We've had him under surveillance. 1131 01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:17,540 He's been encusted. 1132 01:05:17,660 --> 01:05:22,460 That's why I won't tell you some of the names of the witnesses that would 1133 01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:24,700 have to have lied in this case. 1134 01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:27,560 The defendant said they did. 1135 01:05:29,140 --> 01:05:30,700 Freddie Jacobs had to lie. 1136 01:05:31,780 --> 01:05:32,840 Kimmel had to lie. 1137 01:05:33,700 --> 01:05:35,060 Gilliland had to lie. 1138 01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:40,640 Margaret Carter, Bobby Toland, Robert Henry, Sharon Blakely, 1139 01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:44,090 Sheldon Kemp, and... 1140 01:05:44,100 --> 01:05:45,520 But this goes on and on. 1141 01:05:49,140 --> 01:05:51,600 Well, some of us don't think they all lied. 1142 01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:56,960 There's no evidence of any witness applying for any reward 1143 01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:57,660 in this case. 1144 01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,720 Well, they haven't come forward. 1145 01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:01,880 We'd better go out and find them. 1146 01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:09,400 I suppose you could say that the mother and father would lie 1147 01:06:10,180 --> 01:06:10,960 for their son. 1148 01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:15,060 Well, I'm not sure that Mr. 1149 01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,180 and Mrs. Williams are scared to death of him. 1150 01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,660 I think they'd do anything he said to. 1151 01:06:21,820 --> 01:06:26,620 14 years old, whatever he was at the time, sent her of attention, and... 1152 01:06:28,620 --> 01:06:31,480 bankruptcy. Everybody said how smart he was. 1153 01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,640 Gifted at an early age, and then he couldn't duplicate it. 1154 01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:38,990 And the people he's killing and he has killed, they're not any more successful 1155 01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:40,870 than he is, and they... 1156 01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,000 haven't had a chance in the world. 1157 01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:47,780 But the FBI, he compares to the Keystone cops. 1158 01:06:48,740 --> 01:06:51,680 And the Atlanta police, the car 54, where are you? 1159 01:06:53,060 --> 01:06:54,940 He wants to outwit them. 1160 01:06:56,240 --> 01:07:01,040 He took a stupid person to drop Kater's body from James Jackson Parkway. 1161 01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:05,730 He's close, he cased it and seen about it because we had them here. 1162 01:07:05,740 --> 01:07:10,540 He said, car 54, Keystone cops got him. 1163 01:07:11,900 --> 01:07:13,160 He's failed again. 1164 01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:16,020 Failed again. 1165 01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:20,760 But the Atlanta police force, they took heed for months. 1166 01:07:21,220 --> 01:07:24,640 They kept on doing their job the way the good policemen do their job. 1167 01:07:24,780 --> 01:07:26,960 Steady, and things come out. 1168 01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:32,910 I want to suggest to you, when you start thinking about sympathy in a case like 1169 01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:37,720 this, that it's time that someone starts thinking about these 1170 01:07:37,780 --> 01:07:42,580 poor victims, and bear it as a result of the same psychopathic killer. 1171 01:07:44,220 --> 01:07:46,220 Wayne Williams is not in the community now. 1172 01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:50,540 You will be responsible for putting Wayne Williams back in the community. 1173 01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:52,600 It won't be us, it's going to have to be you. 1174 01:07:54,260 --> 01:07:55,540 What were his words? 1175 01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:00,750 Doing away with one black male child. 1176 01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:04,320 Doing away with inferiors. 1177 01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,600 Sheila DeHaan, Edel Hitler, 1178 01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:12,560 Idi Amin from Uganda, 1179 01:08:13,740 --> 01:08:15,860 and Wayne Bertram Williams. 1180 01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:17,720 Master Reese, 1181 01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:20,980 doing away with inferiors. 1182 01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:36,080 Ladies and gentlemen, all of us, the defense, prosecution, the 1183 01:08:36,980 --> 01:08:39,100 court, appreciate you. 1184 01:08:40,440 --> 01:08:41,740 I know all of you. 1185 01:08:42,940 --> 01:08:43,900 I'm going to see you. 1186 01:08:44,500 --> 01:08:45,800 We're going to talk about this case. 1187 01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:49,240 And we're both going to say that we met our responsibility. 1188 01:08:50,900 --> 01:08:51,720 Thank you. 1189 01:09:27,660 --> 01:09:30,730 Hello? All right. 1190 01:09:30,740 --> 01:09:31,400 I'll tell him. 1191 01:09:32,620 --> 01:09:34,520 What? They've reached a verdict. 1192 01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:36,000 So soon? 1193 01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:38,720 What do you think it means? 1194 01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:41,220 It means acquittal. 1195 01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:44,740 Whenever you reach a verdict this quickly. 1196 01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:48,160 A complicated case like this, you usually acquittal. 1197 01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,900 I'm concerned about what we're going to do with Wayne. 1198 01:09:53,540 --> 01:09:54,560 Are we taking him through the basement? 1199 01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:56,220 I have the department alerted. 1200 01:09:56,820 --> 01:09:59,220 I can get him out of here all right, but where he goes from there? 1201 01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:00,070 I don't know. 1202 01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:01,260 I can have your men. 1203 01:10:01,340 --> 01:10:03,500 I'll take him on the plane with me back to Mississippi. 1204 01:10:04,140 --> 01:10:05,860 He'd stay at my house till things cool down. 1205 01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,690 As soon as they come in with that verdict, I want to get him out of 1206 01:10:08,700 --> 01:10:09,960 the courtroom as quick as I can. 1207 01:10:10,260 --> 01:10:11,320 It's all in your hands. 1208 01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:13,060 We'll do everything we can to cooperate. 1209 01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:14,580 If I can help, let me know. 1210 01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:16,780 They're coming in. 1211 01:10:18,380 --> 01:10:19,080 Let's go. 1212 01:10:41,380 --> 01:10:43,480 The full person of the jury, please stand. 1213 01:10:45,740 --> 01:10:48,540 Has the jury reached a verdict on each of the two counts? 1214 01:10:48,860 --> 01:10:49,800 We have, Your Honor. 1215 01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:53,800 Please examine the verdict to make sure that it has been signed and dated. 1216 01:10:54,900 --> 01:10:55,820 Yes, it has. 1217 01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,090 Mr. District Attorney, I have the full person of the jury, please stand. 1218 01:10:58,100 --> 01:10:58,980 Will you receive the verdict? 1219 01:11:00,020 --> 01:11:00,620 Yes, sir. 1220 01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:09,600 Will you return to the podium and publish the verdict in open court? 1221 01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:19,200 Your Honor, the verdict from the jury, we the jury, find 1222 01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:23,680 the defendant Wayne Bertram Williams guilty on count number one. 1223 01:11:25,380 --> 01:11:30,180 We the jury, find the defendant Wayne Bertram Williams guilty on 1224 01:11:30,340 --> 01:11:32,120 count number two. 1225 01:11:37,100 --> 01:11:40,000 Would you like to examine the verdict, Mr. 1226 01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:40,840 Biden? Yes. 1227 01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:48,080 Mr. Williams, will you stand in front of the 1228 01:11:48,180 --> 01:11:49,560 podium and face the court? 1229 01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:06,920 Mr. Binder, is welcome, Mr. 1230 01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:07,550 Kitchens. Please. 1231 01:12:20,380 --> 01:12:22,640 I want the defendant's father, Mr. 1232 01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:25,920 Homer Williams, to come forward and stand with his son. 1233 01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:39,760 Mr. Williams, do you wish to say anything? 1234 01:12:41,620 --> 01:12:44,180 Judge, Your Honor, 1235 01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:50,720 jurors, other people, 1236 01:12:53,420 --> 01:12:58,120 anybody who had been in this court for the last nine weeks 1237 01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:04,040 can see that nobody has brought any evidence to prove 1238 01:13:05,100 --> 01:13:07,420 that my son is guilty. 1239 01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:12,000 I think it's very unfair, 1240 01:13:14,100 --> 01:13:14,650 Your Honor. 1241 01:13:16,380 --> 01:13:17,380 Thank you, Mr. 1242 01:13:17,420 --> 01:13:22,220 Williams. Mr. Wayne Williams, do you wish to say anything before the 1243 01:13:22,440 --> 01:13:23,560 court imposes a sentence? 1244 01:13:24,660 --> 01:13:25,440 Yes, Your Honor. 1245 01:13:26,700 --> 01:13:30,380 I maintain all along through this trial my innocence. 1246 01:13:32,300 --> 01:13:34,240 And I will say so again today. 1247 01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:40,260 I don't have any malice against any of the people in the jury, the court, 1248 01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:42,960 prosecutors, or anybody. 1249 01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:48,010 The only thing, Your Honor, is I just hope that the person or persons who had 1250 01:13:48,020 --> 01:13:49,880 committed these crimes can be brought to justice. 1251 01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:52,310 And I'm saying I did not do this, Your Honor, and I want it to be 1252 01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:54,280 known, and that is from my heart. 1253 01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:59,190 I more than anyone want to see this terror ended, but I did not do it, 1254 01:13:59,200 --> 01:13:59,750 Your Honor. 1255 01:14:01,460 --> 01:14:02,300 Thank you. 1256 01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:10,930 The court hereby sentences the defendant, Mr. 1257 01:14:10,940 --> 01:14:15,740 Wayne Bertram Williams, to the custody of the State Board of Corrections, where 1258 01:14:16,580 --> 01:14:21,380 he is to serve two life sentences, and they are to run consecutively. 1259 01:14:24,900 --> 01:14:25,980 Court adjourned. 1260 01:14:27,260 --> 01:14:28,540 Mr. Wayne Bertram 1261 01:14:38,420 --> 01:14:43,220 Williams. There 1262 01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:50,920 is slain... 1263 01:14:54,700 --> 01:14:56,680 You know my son is innocent. 1264 01:14:57,420 --> 01:14:58,540 You know it. 1265 01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:02,080 You've gone through the evidence. 1266 01:15:02,980 --> 01:15:06,160 You know that some of them people lied. 1267 01:15:08,020 --> 01:15:11,180 You did one hell of a railroad job. 1268 01:15:12,020 --> 01:15:14,640 You know it, and I know it. 1269 01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:18,980 You dirty bastard. 1270 01:15:19,940 --> 01:15:20,900 Come on, Homer, let's go. 1271 01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:26,180 It's unjust. 1272 01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:29,680 And I'll tell it anywhere in the world. 1273 01:15:33,500 --> 01:15:37,940 One question. Well, this is the greatest in the private case in court from history. 1274 01:15:38,500 --> 01:15:42,210 We hope that the Williams trial will serve as it indicates that a value of trace 1275 01:15:42,220 --> 01:15:47,020 evidence, people in law, trying criminal cases, will give weight and value 1276 01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:49,140 to fibers from this day on. 1277 01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:50,700 What about you, Mr. 1278 01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:52,100 Slain? What do you have to say? 1279 01:15:52,700 --> 01:15:54,820 Let me give a man over here with me. 1280 01:15:55,020 --> 01:15:57,280 Jack Mallard, Charlie, Gordon Miller. 1281 01:15:59,140 --> 01:16:00,420 We did our job. 1282 01:16:01,820 --> 01:16:05,380 The prosecution, the staff, the defense, the judge. 1283 01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:07,640 We all did the best we could. 1284 01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:09,420 That's all I can say right now. 1285 01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:10,660 Thank you. Thank you. 1286 01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:20,020 Well, you did a good job. 1287 01:16:20,580 --> 01:16:21,320 Not good enough. 1288 01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:22,480 I didn't get them off. 1289 01:16:23,980 --> 01:16:28,780 You know, well, this is the first case I ever tried where 1290 01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:34,400 I didn't know the where, the when, the why, or 1291 01:16:35,180 --> 01:16:35,900 even the hell. 1292 01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:53,640 Reverend Attaway, what is your opinion of the verdict? 1293 01:16:54,060 --> 01:16:57,760 We must be careful not to set ourselves up as all-knowing as God. 1294 01:16:58,140 --> 01:16:59,340 Speak what we do not know. 1295 01:16:59,980 --> 01:17:02,100 Truth is an elusive entity. 1296 01:17:02,900 --> 01:17:04,480 We must put this behind us. 1297 01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:05,820 Thank you, Reverend Attaway. 1298 01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:08,260 Miss Taylor, what do you have to say? 1299 01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,080 I think he's guilty, but they haven't proved it. 1300 01:17:12,020 --> 01:17:13,760 You, sir, could you give us a few words? 1301 01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:16,340 Do you know what it means not to know? 1302 01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,840 Do you know what it's like to feel that there is no justice in this world? 1303 01:17:20,180 --> 01:17:23,240 Maybe when we have a trial for my child's murder, we'll find out the truth. 1304 01:17:23,480 --> 01:17:25,470 Don't say anything to them, whatever you say. 1305 01:17:25,480 --> 01:17:27,560 They'll just twist it the way they want it to go. 1306 01:17:28,020 --> 01:17:29,360 They don't care about us. 1307 01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:32,200 All they care about is whatever people pay a quarter for. 1308 01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:38,080 Queen Williams wasn't alone on trial in this courthouse today. 1309 01:17:38,380 --> 01:17:43,180 Atlanta was. The city, too busy to hate, was charged with hating 1310 01:17:43,380 --> 01:17:47,120 so much it would stand by while its children were being murdered. 1311 01:17:47,740 --> 01:17:52,540 Let the record show that this city, this beautiful, marvelous city I love, 1312 01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:56,560 stood trial before the world and was found not guilty. 1313 01:17:57,180 --> 01:18:01,870 The important thing is that we came through this whole trying thing as a community. 1314 01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:06,680 Together. I have called you in this morning to announce the disbanding 1315 01:18:07,140 --> 01:18:08,020 of the task force. 1316 01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:12,360 But there are still 21 cases for which no one has been officially charged. 1317 01:18:12,620 --> 01:18:15,300 With the conviction of Wayne Williams, they have been cleared. 1318 01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:17,480 Are you planning to indict Mr. 1319 01:18:17,540 --> 01:18:20,360 Williams for the deaths of the other people on the task force list, Mr. 1320 01:18:20,440 --> 01:18:25,240 Slayton? We have cases here that 1321 01:18:25,300 --> 01:18:29,870 we do not have enough evidence to convict, but we have sufficient evidence to mark 1322 01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:32,480 them closed. I don't quite follow that, Mr. 1323 01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:36,910 Slayton. What I'm saying is, there's no point in putting the city through the 1324 01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:38,780 expense and pain of another trial. 1325 01:18:41,060 --> 01:18:43,440 Hutchins lies, ain't worth a trial, is that what they say? 1326 01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:47,210 I've only been 48 hours since the verdict was in and already they've closed the books 1327 01:18:47,220 --> 01:18:48,340 on all our murdered children? 1328 01:18:49,900 --> 01:18:53,880 Always before, I was looking for some kind of justice. 1329 01:18:55,660 --> 01:18:58,290 But justice is not in their hearts to give. 1330 01:18:58,300 --> 01:19:02,580 Does this mean that the real person that killed our children can now go free? 1331 01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:05,340 And we can't do a damn thing about it? 1332 01:19:06,100 --> 01:19:08,600 This town has buried us along with our children. 1333 01:19:09,460 --> 01:19:12,030 They're dead and buried and we're dead and buried and we ain't supposed to be heard 1334 01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:16,110 from again. There ain't no way we're going to sit still and let our children's murders 1335 01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:17,460 go unsolved, Jamie. 1336 01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:22,120 We're going to protest. 1337 01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:26,020 And we're going to get justice. 1338 01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:28,040 From somewhere. 1339 01:19:29,500 --> 01:19:30,940 If we don't get it from George. 1340 01:19:37,340 --> 01:19:39,860 In case you ask for the files on the trial murders. 1341 01:19:40,480 --> 01:19:44,700 What? Ben, a jury of 12 people found that he was guilty. 1342 01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:46,640 That's all we got, the jury system. 1343 01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:47,740 The case is closed. 1344 01:19:48,780 --> 01:19:51,530 Slayton says there's no point in putting the city through the pain and expense of 1345 01:19:51,540 --> 01:19:53,720 another trial. What about the parents? 1346 01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:56,240 How would you feel if it were your kids? 1347 01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:57,900 Would you be able to sleep nice? 1348 01:19:58,220 --> 01:19:59,280 You're going to destroy yourself, Ben. 1349 01:19:59,500 --> 01:20:01,300 I tried to tell you that, but you won't believe me. 1350 01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:06,440 James. Do you remember the march we took from Salomon to Montgomery 1351 01:20:06,660 --> 01:20:07,460 with Dr. King? 1352 01:20:08,740 --> 01:20:09,940 Do you remember what we were thinking? 1353 01:20:10,620 --> 01:20:11,440 What we talked about? 1354 01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:13,540 What was the most important thing? 1355 01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:16,220 Wasn't it the kids to come? 1356 01:20:16,900 --> 01:20:18,420 Wasn't that the most important thing? 1357 01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,080 That we were going to spare them the pain we had? 1358 01:20:21,380 --> 01:20:22,900 We were going to give them a better world? 1359 01:20:24,260 --> 01:20:26,040 What kind of life have we made for them? 1360 01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:29,660 You can have my badge, James. 1361 01:20:30,540 --> 01:20:33,550 This case won't be closed for me until I open the door that says once and 1362 01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:35,240 for all Wayne Williams was guilty. 1363 01:20:36,100 --> 01:20:39,260 Or he was a sacrificial lamb on the altar of the good name of Atlanta. 1364 01:20:46,900 --> 01:20:48,180 Go on, make your investigation. 1365 01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:49,580 I don't know anything about it. 1366 01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:54,400 I don't know anything about it. 1367 01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:01,840 There they were in front of me. 1368 01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:07,220 The faces I have seen in those snapshots before they were found dead. 1369 01:21:10,340 --> 01:21:14,760 The faces of all those children whose murders aren't worth a try. 1370 01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:28,480 Dead and gone, I'll sing this lullaby just 1371 01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:30,860 for you. 1372 01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:37,680 In February of 1982, Wayne Williams was convicted for the murders of Jimmy Ray 1373 01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:39,140 Payne and Nathaniel Cater. 1374 01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:44,600 In December of 1983, the Georgia Supreme Court denied the appeal for a new trial. 1375 01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:49,520 In March of 1982, the task force investigating the deaths of 28 1376 01:21:49,860 --> 01:21:53,600 children and the disappearance of one other was officially disbanded. 1377 01:21:54,260 --> 01:21:57,240 To date, these cases remain unsolved. 111962

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