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Something I wrestle with still to this
day.
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Why I went along with something that
crazy.
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There's a big bomb scare on the south
shore of Lake Tahoe.
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Two men posing as computer technicians
trundled a box covered with blankets
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lettered IBM into a casino yesterday and
left the box there.
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This thing was a massive device. It is a
building killer.
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The whole idea was incredible.
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We all knew exactly what we were
supposed to do.
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I kept it secret. I didn't tell anybody.
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You start doing crazy things to get
attention.
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With the suspected bomb, a note
demanding $3 million.
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$3 million to tell how to disarm the
bomb.
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Now the search is on for the criminals
who planted it. Who are we dealing with?
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And why is this casino across the street
the richest gambling casino in the
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world?
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I was betting against them ever getting
that money.
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It's a far -fetched game.
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You would never think anybody would pull
that off.
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The nightmare was just beginning.
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There was no way out.
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Tahoe was a relatively small town.
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Kind of a wide open atmosphere.
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I'm not saying, you know, there were
gunfights, but you didn't have to worry
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about restrictions, regulations.
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It was an atmosphere that was related to
fun.
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It takes a lot to drag people away from
the gambling tables of State Line Nevada
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on the shores of Lake Tahoe.
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even when they're told a bomb could go
off. A strange -looking device, thought
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at first to be a computer, was found in
Harvey's Hotel Casino, along with a list
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of demands.
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Officials faced two questions. Is it
really a bomb?
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And if it is, what do they do with it?
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On August 26th of 1980, I got a call
from the sheriff's office.
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I arrived at... Harvey's Casino, where I
was met by Captain Danny Daniels, who
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was the bomb squad commander.
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I was at home. My wife and daughter were
going to go on a camping trip.
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The phone rang, and they said that
there's a device that they found at
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I threw as much stuff out of the truck
as I could and drove over there.
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When the alarm goes off, you're called.
That's what you do.
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I thought, it'll be in a bag, it'll be
in a suitcase, it'll be relatively easy.
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And then we walked into the second floor
and it was huge.
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We didn't know if it was a real
explosive device or not when we
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at it.
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I'd never seen anything so sinister in
my life. It was absolutely frightening.
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But the first thing that runs through
your mind is that if this... container
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full of explosives, you know, we're in
trouble.
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According to police officials here, they
tell us that the bomb apparently is
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near that particular window right up
there, within 10 or 20 feet of it from
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we've been told here.
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Along with the suspected bomb, a note
which said the box held 1 ,000 sticks of
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dynamite, wired and extremely sensitive.
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Tahoe was a thriving area with a lot of
people, and there were.
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thousands of vacations in that casino.
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I was sound asleep at 8 .30 and they
came through pounding at the doors and
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said that they had a security problem.
They had blocked all the streets and we
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wondered what was going on. And we left
everything else there and we got out of
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the hotel.
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One of the things I'm asked often is how
much damage can an explosive do? How
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many people can it kill? A thousand
pounds in an open field, not going to do
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much. A thousand pounds in a building.
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You can devastate a portion of a city.
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So getting those casinos closed and
getting the people out of there was
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important. Even though the hotel was
evacuated, people were trying to get in.
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Serious police officers weren't kidding
when they kept pushing back crowds.
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About a dozen buses were sent in to
clear the area, and hotels along the
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were boarding up. In a town where people
know more than a little about odds, no
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one is taking any chances.
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Once the building was secured, we got
everyone out of there except for the
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squad.
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And we started setting up, photographing
the thing and trying to document as
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much as we could.
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So what you're trying to do is you've
got a metal box of mystery.
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And you want to know what's inside that
metal box.
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So the tools were limited. You have a
stethoscope, you've got some x -rays.
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You're not going to start poking around
and flipping switches. That would not be
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well advised.
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So then we started setting up to x -ray
this thing.
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And we were able to identify some of the
contents in the top box.
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We can see wires coming from the top box
going down to the bottom box.
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Looking at the x -rays, ultimately we
determined that this was the real thing.
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Holy shit, this is real.
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That's a bomb.
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Demolitions experts have been working to
decide just how they can best disarm
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the device, which they say is definitely
a bomb.
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The best possible situation in working
with bombs is distance.
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You want to move the device.
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You know, we had dealt with smaller
devices and been successful.
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But, you know, when I saw the size of it
and the switches and everything and the
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fact that there were bullseye bubbling
levels on every corner.
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We realized right then that we were not
going to move this device.
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And going through my head is the fact
that I got to find out who put it there.
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in wise lake tahoe this
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was a felt cover
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that was on one of the gaming tables
inside of harvey's i found this on ebay
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which is where i get a lot of my rare
collectibles also collected assorted
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photos and clippings this is Harvey
Gross, the owner of the casino.
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A one -time butcher, Harvey Gross got
his start at Lake Tahoe in 1946 with a
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roadside cafe where his wife did the
cooking.
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Harvey expanded it over the next several
years into Harvey's Wagon Wheel Saloon,
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and in 1963, he completed an 11 -story
hotel tower, which was the tallest hotel
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tower at the time in Lake Tahoe.
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Well, we feel that the future is
tremendous up here. Ample room for
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the next 20 years is tremendous.
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As opposed to the stereotype of mobsters
running casinos, Harvey brought
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legitimacy to the casino business in
Lake Tahoe.
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Picture of my grandparents, Harvey and
Llewellyn Gross.
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Harvey Gross in his office.
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Pretty chipper.
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As long as you weren't making his day a
bad day, you were probably okay.
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But, yeah, kind of brings back a lot of
memories. You know, just all the family
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that was involved in this business over
the years.
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And there was competition.
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Always was competition.
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Everyone knows who the big men are here.
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It's an open secret that no love is lost
between the owner of Harrah's Club.
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and the proprietor of Harvey's Wagon
Wheel.
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Bill Harrow was direct competition with
my grandfather.
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They were directly across the street.
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They would compete toe -to -toe for
customers, but we had no idea who would
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something like this.
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There was a lot of unknowns at the time
and a lot of fear.
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Harvey's Casino has been empty since an
object believed to be a bomb was
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delivered in a photocopier box.
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An extortion note said it is a powerful,
sensitive device.
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This was the ransom note that was found
with the bomb.
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Stern warning to the management and bomb
squad.
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Do not move or tilt this bomb.
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Don't try to flood or gas the bomb.
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There is a float switch and an
atmospheric pressure switch.
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Both are attached to detonators.
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Do not try to take it apart.
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The flathead screws are also attached to
triggers, and as much as one -quarter
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to three -quarters of a turn will cause
an explosion.
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The letter said it had eight different
ways for it to go off, so that put it in
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a category that I certainly had never
seen and that nobody had ever seen.
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All the usual techniques went out the
window, so that was scary.
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Is there some reason to believe that
they had some training in electronics
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because of the sophistication of the
device?
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Absolutely. The bomb experts told us
that this device was the most
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sophisticated, homemade bombing device
they have ever experienced and ever
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witnessed. I also had the issue of the
extortion payment.
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He wanted $3 million in a helicopter.
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He said, we had 24 hours to deliver that
ransom.
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The bomb had been delivered around 5 o
'clock in the morning of the 26th, and
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that was one of the reasons we had to
move this along.
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And still we didn't have a motive other
than a ransom.
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Are we dealing with just some crank, or
are we dealing with somebody that's very
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serious?
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Somebody that wants to cause a large
loss of life?
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You've got to establish the means,
motive, and the opportunity.
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In order to come up with a suspect
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You Soviet crisis and
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from our desk in Washington Frank
Reynolds in straight -line, Nevada on
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south shore of Lake Tahoe There is a
powerful bomb in one of the major
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casinos there and police and demolition
experts are preparing to deal with it
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Here is a report from Tom Shell I can I
distinctly recall
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seeing on the news that the bomb got
into Harvey.
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And I immediately called my brother and
I said, we're screwed.
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What are we going to do with it?
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The authorities have appealed to the
extortionists to make contact
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so they can avoid a potentially
disastrous explosion.
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There it was on TV. Top news story of
the day.
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He had actually made it happen.
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I know who was responsible for all of
this.
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because my brother and I were forced to
help him.
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I don't even know why I still have this
album or how I wound up with it, but
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it's stuck around through all the movies
and all the years.
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The John Burgess family.
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The picture of... Is that Grandma?
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That's Grandma.
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of my hair.
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We all kind of look like each other.
Like, you look like your dad. I look
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you. I got your nose.
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What do you mean my nose?
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This is just all articles about the
court trial and the way it went. It
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went on for years.
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You know, I couldn't get on with my life
until all this was over.
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Are you guys ever in these?
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Yeah, well, that's a picture of my
brother, but it says my name underneath.
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And then they tried a love -hate
relationship between father and son.
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A love -hate relationship?
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I guess, yeah. Didn't y 'all just not
like him?
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Well, it's a weird deal. It's your
parent. No matter how bad your parent
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it's still your parent.
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What do you know about your dad's
involvement in all of that, in the
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Not much.
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I mean, he doesn't like to talk about
it. Sometimes he will.
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I don't think he, like, helped build the
bomb.
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Because he would have told me if he did,
but did you help build the bomb?
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We haven't really had an in -depth
discussion on the mechanics of what I
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involved in and what I wasn't involved
in.
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A
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dad
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should be, you know, your guide.
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and take care and giving you an
environment where you can thrive.
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And he had that opportunity, a
successful millionaire.
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It all came crashing down for him, and
he was going to get even.
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If you wronged him, he extricated
revenge.
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He did it with people that worked for
him, that worked with him, his ex -wife.
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There was never any good outcome dealing
with Big John.
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You know, I was 18 at the time.
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Came home from work one day and my dad
said, I got to talk to you. And he was
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broke and lost all his money.
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He just said, I'm going to build a bomb
and bomb Harvey's and get my money back.
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It was like a joke.
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You would never think anybody, let alone
your father talking to you, would even
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have a plan to make that succeed.
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He says, I've got to keep it a secret,
so I need you and your brother to help
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with this.
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And you need to call your brother and
ask him.
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My name is Kelly Cooper.
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And I was John Jr.'s girlfriend.
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I was only 14 when I met him at Little
Okie's, which is a motocross place.
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You know, John and Jim and all the guys
would be racing motorcycles, and all of
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us girls would be yelling and having a
good time.
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I would say it was love at first sight
for both of us, I think.
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John Jr.
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was not a good influence on me.
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He dropped out of school and had his own
place.
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He drove a van, which is also a parent's
nightmare.
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You can think about that.
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And, well, you know, crazy things happen
in vans.
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But then Jim was kind of known as the
goody -two -shoe kind of guy.
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I've known Jimmy since 1973.
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He's like my adopted little brother.
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He was just a naturally gifted rider.
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He had the potential to be really good.
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I got sponsored in my motocross racing
and was doing well there. I was a little
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bit better than my brother, and it was a
big issue.
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You know, he talked about his brother
some, but they were completely different
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worlds. Little John did drugs, that kind
of stuff, and Jimmy was not that way at
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all.
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I skimmed through that book.
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I probably didn't read all of it because
with my brothers and my relationship,
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it was always a lot of fighting.
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I think that is one of the best places
to get his voice since he's no longer
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here.
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And so I was in a rendezvous place about
an hour away from my brother and my
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dad. So when the sun came up, I decided
to just go back and see what happened.
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So on the way back, I stopped.
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I will
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try
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to recreate, to the best of my memory,
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what would consume three and a half
years of my life.
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I was in the kitchen fixing breakfast
for me and Kelly on a Saturday morning,
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sitting on the porch with the brother
I'd avoided since the day I moved out of
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Big John's house three years before.
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When Jim came to his apartment that
first day, he walked in, I was there.
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told John Jr.
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what their dad's big plan was.
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Jim said, He says he's going to blow up
Harvey's Casino.
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I said, you'll go to prison for the rest
of your life. Are you kidding?
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For your dad, who you don't even like.
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Yes, it was definitely a shock.
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The man who couldn't wait to throw me
out of his house.
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Now wants my help?
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My dad was born in Hungary.
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And as Kitsy told us, he was a double
agent for the CIA.
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He said that when the Nazis invaded
Hungary, he was forced to join the
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Luftwaffe and was trained as a pilot.
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He scored 13 kills before his plane was
shot down, and he found himself in a
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Russian prison camp.
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Which I find plausible because he did
have all the prison tattoos from the
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Gulag. Kids, what we had heard is that
his wife or a group of people used a
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and blew up the prison wall to get him
out of prison.
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I mean, it was a great story to hear as
a kid, but it also made you like, oh, my
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gosh, this guy's kind of spooky.
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So you hear your dad telling you these
stories, you automatically believe it,
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but I couldn't tell you one way or
another for sure.
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He managed to find his way to America
with his wife, Elizabeth.
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And Clovis, California, became their
home.
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They found jobs. They learned the
language. They had two sons.
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Within a few years, Big John had his own
landscaping business.
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I think by 1966, he was one of the
biggest contractors in California.
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It was a multi -million dollar company
then, in the 60s. And then they bought a
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restaurant.
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My parents were living the American
dream.
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My mother was the bookkeeper, and he did
the work.
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From the outside, they were a success
story in Fresno.
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But nobody knew how bad it was for the
kids, the boys.
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His problems, in my mind, started to...
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manifest when we started having marital
problems with my mom. He started
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drinking and at some point we started
gambling.
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When Big John went to Harvey's, he was a
very high roller.
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He was doing $10 ,000 a hand playing two
hands.
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In blackjack.
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In rolling that kind of money, he
attracted a lot of attention from casino
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management, from Harvey.
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He was really treated like royalty.
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I mean, to him, it was intoxicating.
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And he wound up just being there all the
time.
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Big John became Harvey's friend as he
spent into the millions inside Harvey's
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Casino. And he became addicted to his
status as much as he was addicted to the
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gambling. And he just kept losing.
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He lost more than he won at the tables
until he found himself deeply in debt.
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He lost his landscaping business and his
restaurant due to his addiction at the
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blackjack table.
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He borrowed more and more money from
Harvey in order to feed his addiction.
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It got to a point where he was losing
and not paying the market.
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And he was no longer welcome there.
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His obsession had cost him almost
everything he owned.
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He was so deranged that he actually
thought The only way that he would lose
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would be somebody had to cheat him.
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So he was going to build that bomb and
get the $3 million that he felt was
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stolen from him.
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We're headed to my childhood home.
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Where the infamous bomb was constructed.
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I haven't even seen pictures of it, so I
have no idea what it looks like.
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I mean, you didn't help build the bomb,
right? Or did you?
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No, I didn't.
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I wouldn't know what to build.
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But the day it came to fill it full of
dynamite, we helped him do that.
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You know, Jim's lived here for his whole
life.
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and he's never taken the kids by. Maybe
they've done a drive -by, but they don't
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know a lot about the story because it
just takes them back to places that are
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uncomfortable for him.
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Going over the past with my kids, they
have no idea. We never talked about it,
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ever.
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But my youngest daughter, Hope, is the
one who's most curious about it.
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So I'm trying to...
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to open up more, to have her wind up
different than me.
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Well, I used to live here. Years ago, I
grew up here.
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You are a virgin.
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Yes. No shit.
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Is there any chance that we can come in
and look around?
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My husband's got all kinds of stuff in
there.
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Yeah, there you go.
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Wow.
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That car is so cool.
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I remember when he built this shop.
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He built the poles and welded them all
together.
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This was all self -taught.
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This is where he...
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He built a bomb.
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In here. In here.
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In that era and time, obedience to your
parents was a lot different than
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what it is now.
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I mean, if you talk back, you got beat.
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So it's like, it's just a different
world now.
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I don't want to sound like this is
something that I was enthusiastic about
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wanted to do. It was something that we
were trained to say yes, so we said yes.
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And so it just started evolving from
that point forward, mainly with trying
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procure the dynamite.
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And it's not easy to find 1 ,000 pounds
of dynamite.
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In the High Sierra, a new season begins.
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and construction continues on a massive
undertaking, the Helms Pump Storage
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Project.
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At that time, Granite Construction
Company was in the beginning stages of
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constructing the Helms hydroelectric
plant.
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Tony, who was a friend that stopped by
to visit Jim, had just started working
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Granite Construction, and in the
conversation, Tony had unknowingly
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Big John, all the information he needed
to know about the existence and the
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location of the dynamite.
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And that next day, my brother came over,
and Big John described the plan he
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concocted.
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I couldn't help thinking how nice Big
John could be when he wanted something.
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It was one or two in the morning, late
night.
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We drove my brother's van up there.
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There was a little bit of activity a few
hundred yards away.
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The job site was working 24 hours, so we
waited until it calmed down a little
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bit.
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My dad had decided that he's going to
use this backpack torch.
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I thought it was kind of risky, being
you're torching a lock off a dynamite
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locker, but... Got in the locker and
proceeded
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to empty the contents of the locker into
the van.
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I was in such fear, thinking at any
moment...
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It's going to blow up.
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So it was just terrifying the whole
time.
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The Fresno Bee ran an article telling of
the dynamite theft.
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I went, oh my gosh, they did it. They
did it.
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I remember saying that to myself, they
did it. I didn't tell anybody.
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Big John took about four months.
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to fabricate and complete the bomb.
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I heard from Big John again. He said,
ready for your help, can you come to the
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house tomorrow?
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Showed me some drawings he had made.
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The whole idea was incredible.
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A very unique aspect of this device,
that someone is cogitating and saying,
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right, what can the police do to try to
take this thing out?
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Big John said, what could we use to
prevent it from being flooded or foamed
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short out the wiring?
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We stood there, silently concentrating
on the problem.
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Suddenly my dad's eyes widened.
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So what we have here is our reproduction
of wheel bomb.
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And in the FBI, we have a unit that does
nothing but create courtroom exhibits.
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In case you were thinking of flooding
this, you know, this toilet float.
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And you can see in the very center,
there's a piece of plastic, white
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As it rises, it comes up into this tube.
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And when those two screws make contact,
you complete a switch, and the bomb goes
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off.
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The motion detector was my idea.
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Back in the 1980s, automotive alarms
were really simple. If you shook the
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it would go off. And so we kind of made
a homemade version of that.
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At the very center of this device, you
can see what we call a trembler. You can
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see this ball -bearing move in there,
and when it makes contact, it could set
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off the bomb.
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I bet John's eyes lit up. I could see
that he was noticeably impressed.
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As this went along, I mean, I thought
exactly I was doing it.
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It had a seven -day irrigation timer.
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Pressure switches on the top lid, and
the bomb was double -walled, so if you
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attempted to drill through it, it would
complete the circuit and detonate.
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At that moment, I felt a connection with
my father that, until this night, had
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never existed.
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And I found myself unexpectedly caught
up in the thrill of the adventure.
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I mean, it was all very simple, but that
was the genius of it.
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As the bomb got closer to completion, he
got his girlfriend Joan, a parole
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officer, to make a gray cover for this
thing.
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homemade cut -out letters that said IBM
on it.
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And she helped him write the letters
because his broken English could give
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that he was a foreigner.
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I'm sure she knew things about the law
or things of police procedure or
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investigative procedures.
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I couldn't understand how a Fresno
County probation officer could
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an extortion attempt.
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She must have been under the same spell
as Jim and me.
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So the farther along it went, we still
just kept on...
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rationalizing it that this isn't going
to happen, this is going to happen.
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The thoughts whirled through my head.
What the hell am I doing?
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I'm helping a man who is definitely
insane.
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It's like a whirlpool. You get stuck in
and you can't get out.
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My dad's idea of discipline was just
physical abuse.
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You know, physically beating you.
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And it was just a common occurrence.
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I lost teeth when he punched me in the
mouth for having my elbow on the table.
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Beat with a belt, beat with a stick,
beat with a shovel.
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And his idea, it made you tough. You
know, tough for the world.
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Yeah, John Jr.
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and Jim, they do the motocross racing
together, but other than that, they
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hang out with one another or anything
like that.
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My brother and me didn't have a close
relationship ever, and that was by
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For my father, it was like raising two
pit bulls.
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You know, they might have been from the
same litter, but they're trained to
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fight each other.
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But I think the bomb.
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in a weird way, brought them together
because they knew what they were doing
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absolutely wrong.
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The more your reality is becoming, me
and my brother were trying to figure out
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an exit strategy on this.
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00:32:16,550 --> 00:32:23,110
This bomb is going to either kill me,
kill everybody, kill somebody, or I'm
440
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:25,170
going to get caught rolling the thing in
the front door.
441
00:32:33,450 --> 00:32:38,350
We ended up going through a trial
loading of the bomb into the van.
442
00:32:40,890 --> 00:32:45,710
The steel was quarter -inch plate,
probably weighed, you know, 1 ,200, 1
443
00:32:45,710 --> 00:32:46,890
pounds at least.
444
00:32:49,130 --> 00:32:51,890
Jim held one wheel while I held the
other, making sure they stayed in place.
445
00:32:54,850 --> 00:32:58,670
Before I knew what was happening, my
fingers were under the wheel of the
446
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Big John said nothing.
447
00:33:02,780 --> 00:33:05,380
He was too busy calculating what had
gone wrong.
448
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:06,960
It hit me.
449
00:33:07,020 --> 00:33:09,440
I had found a legitimate exit out of
this debacle.
450
00:33:09,820 --> 00:33:12,740
And at that point, my brother, he says,
F this?
451
00:33:13,260 --> 00:33:16,480
Jim finally spoke up. I won't do it if
John won't.
452
00:33:19,580 --> 00:33:23,660
He says, if I can get somebody else to
push it in, will you pick up the money?
453
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:24,980
Will you commit to doing the ransom?
454
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,080
Sure, I'll pick up the money with you.
455
00:33:28,660 --> 00:33:29,820
My brother goes, sure.
456
00:33:30,700 --> 00:33:31,860
It's never going to happen anyway.
457
00:33:32,670 --> 00:33:33,670
We're in the clear.
458
00:33:38,130 --> 00:33:42,310
Well, we found out later that after we
backed out, Big John hired two guys who
459
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:43,730
used to work at his landscape business.
460
00:33:44,150 --> 00:33:47,510
And he promised them 100 grand apiece to
roll this thing in the front.
461
00:33:48,610 --> 00:33:52,790
Whether he told them that was a bomb or
not, I got no clue.
462
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:56,250
I mean, they went along with it, no
problem.
463
00:33:57,710 --> 00:34:02,190
They were dressed up in all the one
suits with the zip -up, and they had
464
00:34:02,190 --> 00:34:04,070
little names on them just like they
would be.
465
00:34:04,990 --> 00:34:06,830
I guess they just looked the part.
466
00:34:12,010 --> 00:34:15,690
This thing was so heavy, the carpet
there was making it very difficult to
467
00:34:15,690 --> 00:34:19,949
it. They called security to help them
physically push this thing into the
468
00:34:19,949 --> 00:34:24,610
elevator. Wait, security helped push it?
Yeah, they had to call security to help
469
00:34:24,610 --> 00:34:25,259
them push it.
470
00:34:25,260 --> 00:34:26,840
I mean, it's the heave -ho thing, you
know.
471
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,560
Then they took it up to the second floor
where all the offices were.
472
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,440
Big John began to feel the exhilaration
of what would be one of the most
473
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:41,760
impressive hands ever dealt him.
474
00:34:47,179 --> 00:34:48,179
This was his moment.
475
00:34:52,730 --> 00:34:57,350
The loss of his businesses, all the
money being gone, was for a moment
476
00:34:57,350 --> 00:34:58,350
completely forgotten.
477
00:35:01,770 --> 00:35:04,070
He knew there would be panic and mass
evacuations.
478
00:35:06,130 --> 00:35:08,370
Harvey would have no choice but to pay
the $3 million.
479
00:35:10,810 --> 00:35:13,110
He felt alive again, his pride reborn.
480
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:20,070
At that time there were three news
channels, and it was on all of them.
481
00:35:20,070 --> 00:35:21,390
a report from Tom Schell.
482
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,620
not just national news, but worldwide as
well.
483
00:35:25,460 --> 00:35:28,820
As the evacuation progressed,
authorities said they had not heard from
484
00:35:28,820 --> 00:35:32,320
extortionists since they found a three
-page note that demands a $3 million
485
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,480
payment in exchange for instructions on
how to disarm the bomb.
486
00:35:35,780 --> 00:35:39,620
The authorities have appealed to the
extortionists to make contact
487
00:35:39,620 --> 00:35:42,800
so they can avoid a potentially
disastrous explosion.
488
00:35:43,460 --> 00:35:45,440
I was in shock.
489
00:35:46,900 --> 00:35:49,740
Never at any time did I think my father
could pull this off.
490
00:35:51,690 --> 00:35:53,030
He had actually made it happen.
491
00:35:58,170 --> 00:36:02,110
At that point, you know, we still didn't
have enough information on what was
492
00:36:02,110 --> 00:36:03,330
going on inside that device.
493
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:09,310
And he has alluded to a time frame. You
know, if I don't receive my money in 24
494
00:36:09,310 --> 00:36:13,710
hours, then, you know, don't contact me.
We won't contact you. It's going to,
495
00:36:13,710 --> 00:36:14,750
you know, blow up.
496
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,940
That's our time limit. It's 24 hours.
Because he's not going to blow it up
497
00:36:19,940 --> 00:36:21,240
before he gets his money.
498
00:36:21,660 --> 00:36:26,680
So he has to give us 24 hours. But after
that, it's anybody's guess.
499
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,620
We knew that he wanted $3 million and a
helicopter.
500
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:38,620
And our best shot was to catch these
people at the time they picked up the
501
00:36:38,620 --> 00:36:42,960
money. That was the weak part. They had
to appear or send somebody.
502
00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:46,380
We had done this over the years many
times.
503
00:36:47,460 --> 00:36:51,840
Never once did the criminal get the
money and get away with it.
504
00:36:57,260 --> 00:37:02,140
On hindsight, in looking at this, I
probably should have put the bomb in
505
00:37:02,140 --> 00:37:08,380
the plan to get the money was such a
harebrained scheme that you're more
506
00:37:08,380 --> 00:37:09,760
to get caught there or die.
507
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,520
A time of tension and danger is moving
toward a conclusion.
508
00:37:13,820 --> 00:37:16,200
Has there been any communication between
yourself and the person who said that?
509
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:16,899
No, there hasn't.
510
00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:18,580
It was time for me to keep my word.
511
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,460
There is a possibility of an explosion
in the state line area.
512
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:28,580
Detonating that thing is the absolute
last choice.
513
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:35,440
The nightmare was just beginning, and
there was no way out.
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