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This is Special Agent
James A. Anderson.
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On August 26th
at approximately 10:15,
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I'm preparing to report
a telephone conversation.
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WOMAN: Hi, is Kevin there?
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KEVIN: I was out early
around 7:30 a.m.
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And I returned to the home
around 9:30,
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and as you're driving
down Home Street
where our house was,
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it's a one-way street.
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And I noticed,
"Why is the street so packed?"
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There're cars!
There's cars everywhere!
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And then all of a sudden,
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crossing the street
in front of me
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was somebody
in an FBI windbreaker.
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I immediately looked over
to my house,
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saw federal agents
walking in and out,
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I looked straight forward
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and just kept on driving
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making no eye contact
with anybody.
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JAKE: When they left,
this guy, like,
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took me aside
and got in my face and said,
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"Where's Kevin?" I was like,
"I don't know where Kevin is."
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And he goes, "Well, you tell
a message that we are after..."
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You know, something
ridiculous like that.
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I was like, "Okay.
Yeah, I'll get right on that."
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I just kind of laughed at him,
and he got really upset.
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He was like,
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"You think this is funny?"
And blah, blah, blah and...
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"You tell Kevin,
we're gonna get him."
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"Yeah, okay."
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JOSH: We're six activists
who are indicted under
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federal terrorism laws.
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We didn't break anything,
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we didn't burn anything,
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we didn't beat anyone,
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we didn't even
so much as trespass.
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Our crime is doing exactly
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what I'm doing right now,
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speaking.
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NEWS REPORTER:
The target of SHAC was the animal testing company,
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Huntingdon Life Sciences,
and companies that did
business with it.
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WILL: Huntingdon Life Sciences
was selected
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because it's a key player in the animal testing industry.
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They have a lot of money,
lot of power,
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a lot of resources
and a lot of influence.
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MAN: This hearing
is the second hearing
we've had on this subject,
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Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty, a radical animal rights
organization
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that relies on a campaign
that feared to convey
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their message
of animal liberation.
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What we have
is an international conspiracy.
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These are not
random isolated acts.
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Legitimate business
enterprises are suffering.
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WILL: The FBI,
Homeland Security
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and the federal government
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rallied behind this company
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to defend them as this victim
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of a protest campaign.
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And a victim
that if they allowed
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to close and to shut down
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that other corporations
will be targeted next.
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Corporations get to do
what they want.
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That's the rule
in our society... effectively.
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We challenged the right
of this corporation to exist.
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This is Willie's
favorite treat,
isn't it, honey?
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What you doing?
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This is Willie.
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Willie is the big
Justin Timberlake fan
in the house.
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I get picked on for this.
This is my pillow case.
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I'm not afraid to admit it.
I'm masculine enough.
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Everybody always
made fun of me about it.
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Like, "Oh, you like pop music."
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And so I have got, like,
Justin Timberlake bobble heads,
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somebody gave me
an autographed picture.
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Somebody actually made me
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a pillow case
with him on it. So...
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Growing up
as one of those people
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whose conscience wouldn't
let 'em remain silent,
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I had to do something.
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I was thinking about what career am I gonna pursue.
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Because I wanna work
at an NGO or a non-profit.
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Some people are passionate
about the law or medicine,
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I was passionate
about public policy
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and engaging the public
on social issues.
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The animal rights issue
always spoke to me
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because there was
such a lack of voices
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speaking out
on behalf of animals.
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I've grown up
with a beagle.
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Barney the beagle is my best friend as a little kid.
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In most labs,
they use beagles
for experimentation
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and it really
hit home to me.
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I got involved with
the Student Organization
For Animal Rights.
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KATIE: We would do a little bit
of vegan outreach.
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We would do a little bit
of anti-vivisection,
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a little bit of anti-fur.
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It became really focused
under Kevin.
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KEVIN: Those meetings
would ramble on for hours.
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And at that point in time,
I knew, like, this
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feel-good, anarchist,
brand of activism
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wasn't a fit for me.
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I believe in hierarchy
and leadership.
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I believe in authority.
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He actually took over
at the U of M SOAR group.
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I've never seen anything
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like what Kevin
was able to do.
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He'd get other people
to rally behind.
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KEVIN: We decided
to figure out
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what major researchers
at the university
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were receiving funding
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to do animal research.
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Our primary target
was Marilyn Carroll,
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who takes
rhesus macaque monkeys
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and addicts them
to crack cocaine
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and studies
the withdrawal effects.
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We made flyers
with her picture on it.
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Distributed it to her students,
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to her colleagues.
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It was at this point of time
that I realized,
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you're doing a protest
against a person
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who is doing something wrong.
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And so we had
to make it personal.
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And going to her doorstep
made it very personal.
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She went through the roof
as did her husband.
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No broken windows, no paint,
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just people at her home.
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It touched her nerve.
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The press never
mentioned Marilyn Carroll
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before we started
going to her house.
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But then they were
also talking about it
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because they had to explain
why we were there,
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what Marilyn Carroll was doing
to these primates.
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The raid that happened at the University of Minnesota
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was at a neurological
research center
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and then, was in
a psychology building.
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NEWS REPORTER: The vandals
dressed in dark clothing,
and faces covered,
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kicked in doors,
tore through labs
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and took more than
100 research animals.
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The impact of
an act of terrorism
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is that it's shocking.
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That it shocks people.
It terrorizes.
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The break-in
had that impact.
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I was out of town
when it happened.
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When I got back
into Minnesota,
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I couldn't believe something
of this magnitude
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had happened at my school.
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It felt like
we'd received a visit
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from somebody really important.
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I see individuals were
putting their lives
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and their freedom at risk
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to save these animals.
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Since I was a student there,
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I could be
the campus spokesperson
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and try to explain
to the media
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why radical
underground activists
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would think it's appropriate
to take animals out
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and cause damage.
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OFFICER:
This is a terrorist act.
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Come forward
and admit to who did it,
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go to trial and see
what the outcome
of the trial is.
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I, myself, and nobody
from the press office
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knows who did this
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or where you could
contact them.
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Maybe it was hubris
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and being young
and full of oneself
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but I felt like
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repercussions weren't
going to be an issue for me.
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I got a page, this is back
in the day of pagers,
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saying, "Call me. 911.
Call me. 911.
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The FBI has just spent the last three and a half hours at our home.
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They had guns
and flak jackets.
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They tore our place apart.
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You need to come home.
You need to come home."
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The Nexus would have
been domestic terrorism.
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FBI was trying to find out
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if there's a relationship
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between the people
who are publicly speaking
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in theory about
tactics being used
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by underground animal
rights activists.
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Um, if there is a connection
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to the people who are actually
carrying out the crimes.
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KEVIN:
Minnesota state legislators
were trying
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to introduce legislations
to make what I did illegal,
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speaking out on behalf
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of a "Terrorist action."
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And even tried
to make it retro...
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This wasn't about
solving a crime,
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this was about
sending a message,
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that you better shut up.
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NARRATOR: Saturday afternoon
at King's Cross station
in London,
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and protesters prepare
for another rally
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against vivisection.
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Most are regular, but one organizer is a visitor.
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KEVIN: We have sheets
right here
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on what to do
if you're arrested.
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Please take one.
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Just details what to do
in the police cell.
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What to do for interviews.
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England is the mecca
for animal rights activism.
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And I always wanted to go there because of that.
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I had the intention
of moving there.
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Being involved
with some campaigns
on the weekends.
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WOMAN: Kevin Kjonass was
the ALF spokesman
in Minnesota.
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And has been questioned
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as part of the ongoing
FBI investigation
into this raid.
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KEVIN: After about a month
of being there,
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I just wanted
to campaign full-time
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because the success,
the energy,
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the momentum
was intoxicating.
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There're such
a diversity of people
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and they all have
the same common desire
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and that's to shut
these places down.
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We will overcome
all obstacles
to shut 'em down.
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In America, the movement
is much smaller,
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and we can't do this
in such a mass scale.
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ALL:
Close down HLS!
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NARRATOR: Their destination,
Huntingdon Life Sciences.
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WOMAN: Huntingdon Life Sciences
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is one of the world's
leading contract
research organizations.
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We take a holistic approach
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to bio-pharmaceutical
drug development
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to ensure that customer gets
the best help and support
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in developing their products.
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We take the care of our animals very seriously.
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And our high ethical standards
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are core to our
corporate philosophy.
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Contact us now to find out
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how we can help get
your next product to market.
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WILL: Huntingdon Life Sciences
or HLS
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is a contract
animal testing company.
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They don't engage
in animal testing
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like most people would think
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of the term as finding
a cure for AIDS or cancer.
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HLS will take money
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from any private corporation
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to carry out product testing.
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Tooth paste
or pharmaceuticals,
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an adhesive, or a bleach,
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or laundry detergent or...
You name it.
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I loved it.
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It was a good company.
It was looking after us.
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It was providing
valuable service
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for the research
in drug development.
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Huntingdon was doing
everything right.
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Everything.
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MAN: Hold on. That's a bad dog.
Look at the shite.
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Oh, shut up.
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-I haven't got
the patience, today.
-He's not healthy.
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-MAN: I really haven't.
-How unsettled they are.
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Fucking hell!
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I'm really getting
fucking mad with you.
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-Every fucking time.
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Fucking sit still.
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Nobody condones that.
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That person
was fired immediately.
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His supervisor was fired.
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One technician out of
600 slapped a dog, so...
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If... If you're running late,
you move faster,
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you're rougher
with the animals.
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If the animals
are struggling, you're...
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The lab workers would
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smack them around
the way you smack a computer
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that's being sluggish
or slow.
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I was in the U.S. lab
when the UK case broke
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and the message that came
to the workers
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in the U.S. lab was,
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"Don't get caught
doing anything like that."
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Well, I remember driving
home one night
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and shaking my head
and saying to myself,
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"It's all through."
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The animals
are treated awfully.
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There's no regard for them.
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Their suffering
doesn't matter at all.
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It's just about
the dollar bill.
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It's all through.
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Huntingdon was enemy number one
for the animal rights world.
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KEVIN: SHAC stands for Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty.
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WILL: It had its sole purpose
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of shutting down
Huntingdon Life Sciences.
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ALL:
Close down HLS!
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KEVIN: SHAC's approach
was radically different
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than prior campaigns
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because tertiary targets
were being chosen.
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Companies that Huntingdon
needs to survive,
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but are companies
that don't need Huntingdon.
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WILL: The reason
that was a success
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was because they were
following the money.
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KEVIN: They started targeting
their financiers,
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their shareholders,
their banks.
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KEVIN: It was having
an immediate effect.
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The share price nosedived.
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Huntingdon became a pariah.
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BRIAN: Pretty quickly it was impossible for us to get
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a bank account
in this country,
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or insurance coverage
in this country.
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And unfortunately we lost
a lot of shareholders as well.
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WILL: They took one hit
after another.
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They found their investors
backing out.
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Including the most important,
the Royal Bank of Scotland.
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NEWS REPORTER:
The year-long protest
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against the
laboratory succeeded
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in closing it down.
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But at the last minute,
an anonymous overseas backer
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came up with
a rescue package.
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WILL: The only way
that they were saved
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was from
a 33 million-dollar bail-out
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from a U.S. company.
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KEVIN: This is coming
to the U.S.
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and everybody's participation
is being sought after.
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NEWS REPORTER:
...our viewers that,
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we're going to show you
what is unfolding...
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NEWS REPORTER 1:
There's the harpoon.
There's the whale.
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NEWS REPORTER 2: And there goes
the first gunshot
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from the, uh, 5 caliber rifle.
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JOSH: And I look over and I...
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You're driving, you know,
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and I'm seeing them past you.
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And they're all up on
the bow of the ship
holding shotguns.
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And you just have
that moment of, like,
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-how the fuck did we get here?
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Like, I'm on the ocean
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sabotaging a whale hunt.
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NEWS REPORTER:
But they have a target.
The whale's back up.
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JAKE: Sure enough,
the guy in the front
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of the boat goes up
with his elephant gun
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to shoot this whale
in the back.
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I just see Josh take out
a flare... a lit flare and...
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...throw it over
the bow of the boat
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and I'm like,
"Well, fuck it."
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Consequences be damned.
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Let's get the job done.
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JOSH: The sole reason
that I chose
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Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty
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versus the myriad
other groups out there
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was the footage.
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One of the most
horrifying things for me
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was that it featured,
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what was supposed
to be a necropsy
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on a primate.
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The primate was still alive
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and was still
clearly breathing.
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And...
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Under no anesthetics...
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And this man
was just callously
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cutting open his chest.
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And you can see
his heart still beating.
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And I hated those fuckers.
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KEVIN: Josh Harper, he's got
one of the biggest hearts
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of anybody I know.
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JOSH: I remember being
14 years old
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and getting involved
in punk rock music.
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We ain't preaching
but this our opinion,
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everybody's got
a right to free speech.
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Nazi redneck assholes,
fuck off.
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JOSH: Reading the liner notes
of all these albums...
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You know,
hearing these lyrics
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about what was going on
in the world,
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it helped to politicize me.
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As I started to dig
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more into the history
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of how change occurs,
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I realized that
at every turn,
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every ounce of progress
that we've had,
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towards the more just world
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has come because
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there were people
who were willing to fight
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and willing to sacrifice...
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and really willing
to suffer.
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Not all of them
ended up succeeding
in their struggles.
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But there's
something beautiful
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about a person
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who has a degree
of selflessness
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that takes them
from their comfort
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and propels them out
into the world
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against great odds,
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and often ends
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in... in tragedy.
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WOMAN: Okay. Your turn.
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JOSH: At times, these issues
get to be a real abstraction,
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500 a day, 70,000 a year,
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but we forget that
their lives are very real,
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very tangible to them.
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And so I wanted to be here,
I wanted to be near the lab,
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I wanted to see
where it was all happening.
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JOSH: I wanted to send
them a message
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that they are not safe
from me anywhere.
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JOSH: HLS owed
millions of dollars
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and Stephens bought that debt
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and we wanted them
to recall it.
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KEVIN: We promised
if Stephens divested 'em,
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Huntingdon would be no more.
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They were the crutch
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Huntingdon was leaning
on to survive.
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WARREN: If you wanna
sit down and have
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a scientific factual debate,
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that's fine.
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Let's do it.
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But they won't do that.
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KEVIN: I just simply called
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and I asked to speak
to Warren Stephens,
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the President and CEO,
he wouldn't take my call.
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NEWS REPORTER: Warren Stephens
says his company
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will not divest
their holdings in Huntingdon.
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You know,
the animals are treated
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as humanely
as they possibly can be.
403
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JOSH: My mission was to go
to the south
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and let them know
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00:19:00,269 --> 00:19:02,532
you are going to have to deal
with some consequences
406
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for your dealings with HLS.
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NEWS REPORTER:
Hundreds of protesters
are reportedly coming to town
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to call attention
to Stephens' investments
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in a research company
they say
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"Commits horrific acts
to animals."
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WOMAN:
Welcome to the beautiful
Little Rock, Arkansas.
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JAKE: We were
driving around looking at
potential protest targets.
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We drove to the gas station.
414
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I went in to buy something like
orange juice or something
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00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:26,687
and the woman was freaking out
and she said,
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"We're under attack!
We're under attack!"
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I was like,
"What are you talking about?"
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She's like, "They're dropping
planes on us."
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And I was like, "What?"
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WILL: After the
September 11th attacks,
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it was, you know,
a different environment,
422
00:19:43,791 --> 00:19:45,923
to put it mildly,
and there was
a lot of discussion
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of whether the protest
should continue
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Little Rock was
October 29th, 2001.
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It was just
a month and a half away.
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JOSH: There was this
Bush administration campaign
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of, you know,
you're with us or against us.
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Either you're with us
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00:20:01,765 --> 00:20:03,854
or you are
with the terrorists.
430
00:20:03,898 --> 00:20:07,510
JOSH: You know,
everyone's gotta
unite behind this cause.
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00:20:07,554 --> 00:20:08,903
The cause was,
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"Shut the fuck up
and consume."
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KEVIN: It became apparent
after about a week
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when George Bush encouraged
everybody to go shopping,
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and football
had to be played,
436
00:20:17,999 --> 00:20:20,654
that protests
had to be held.
437
00:20:20,697 --> 00:20:22,786
We were gonna do
our part too.
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00:20:22,830 --> 00:20:25,485
USA! USA!
439
00:20:25,528 --> 00:20:27,313
It became very clear
that there is gonna be
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some really big changes.
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There was also a sense
that hopefully,
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law enforcements' focus
was on something else
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besides political activists.
444
00:20:34,233 --> 00:20:36,626
But obviously,
it was the opposite.
445
00:20:36,670 --> 00:20:38,106
BUSH: Our war on terror
446
00:20:38,933 --> 00:20:41,849
begins with Al-Qaeda.
447
00:20:41,892 --> 00:20:43,894
-But it does not end there.
448
00:21:08,615 --> 00:21:10,704
MAN: Well, people that have
been in all this crap
that we've been,
449
00:21:10,747 --> 00:21:12,880
collecting their
license plate numbers,
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00:21:12,923 --> 00:21:16,057
they got it from damn near every state in the Union here.
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KEVIN: We thought it was
important to send a message
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to Warren Stephens personally,
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that we're
gonna come directly
to your goddamn doorstep.
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JOSH: I understand why
home demonstrations
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and personal targeting
is so controversial.
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But when you take a billionaire like Warren Stephens,
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he's got this tremendous
amount of comfort,
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billions of dollars.
459
00:21:40,168 --> 00:21:41,735
And on the other hand,
460
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there's this group of activists and all they're doing
461
00:21:44,085 --> 00:21:46,653
is passing out leaflets,
and holding signs.
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Money wins.
Money wins that situation.
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But if you suddenly
start making it clear
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that he has
to deal with you.
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'Cause every time
he plays golf, there you are.
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When he goes out shopping,
there you are.
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And when he comes home,
there you are.
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WOMAN:
We're everywhere you are
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and everywhere
your executives are.
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REPORTER: There is concern
that the anger
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activists feel towards
Stephens Incorporated
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could turn violent.
473
00:22:14,289 --> 00:22:16,465
As the members, um,
the leaders of this gang,
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tried to, um, terrori...
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00:22:19,076 --> 00:22:21,122
I'm sorry, they're trying
to show their threat
476
00:22:21,165 --> 00:22:23,646
that they're going
to do today.
477
00:22:25,735 --> 00:22:27,302
JOSH: This was
a legal demonstration.
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We had gotten permits.
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When we showed up,
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they'd surrounded
the entire area
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with this little cage.
482
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We were all supposed to stand
inside of this cage
483
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and protest.
484
00:22:39,053 --> 00:22:40,881
DARIUS: The police had set up
this free speech zone.
485
00:22:40,924 --> 00:22:42,143
Which makes you wonder,
you know,
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if this is like,
the free speech zone
487
00:22:43,623 --> 00:22:45,799
then what's everything outside
of the free speech zone?
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Like, the whole country
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is supposed to be
a free speech zone.
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You could come in
one at a time
491
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and they insisted
on searching everybody.
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MAN 1: These cops
won't even let me
have deodorant.
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JOSH: They were turning people
away for things like,
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having spikes
on their jackets.
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DARIUS: And the police
were just taking
their sweet time.
496
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So, we had hundreds of people
waiting to get in.
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00:23:04,252 --> 00:23:05,601
JOSH: Pretty quickly
we understood
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that this was a tactic
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to basically
make this protest impotent.
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00:23:09,562 --> 00:23:11,955
Somebody came to me
and they were like,
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00:23:11,999 --> 00:23:13,392
"This is unacceptable."
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People started marching out.
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We have a right
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00:23:16,612 --> 00:23:18,092
under the United States
constitution, First Amendment,
505
00:23:18,135 --> 00:23:20,442
and under the Arkansas
constitution, Fifth Article
506
00:23:20,486 --> 00:23:21,748
to peacefully assemble.
507
00:23:22,792 --> 00:23:24,968
JOSH: I remember
actually saying,
508
00:23:25,012 --> 00:23:27,406
"I think this is a bad plan."
509
00:23:28,363 --> 00:23:30,191
But I headed out.
510
00:23:31,888 --> 00:23:34,021
We started marching
around the Stephens building
511
00:23:34,064 --> 00:23:36,327
and eventually came back
and converged there.
512
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:42,812
There was a group of
maybe about four or five kids
513
00:23:42,856 --> 00:23:44,945
that started shaking
the barricade.
514
00:23:51,342 --> 00:23:53,083
OFFICER: We will use force.
515
00:23:53,127 --> 00:23:56,260
Get away from the barricade.
Get away from the barricade.
516
00:24:09,709 --> 00:24:11,058
OFFICER: Stand back!
517
00:24:14,844 --> 00:24:16,280
JOSH: During the police riot,
518
00:24:16,324 --> 00:24:18,892
I heard a cop say,
"Get Harper."
519
00:24:18,935 --> 00:24:20,110
Which is my name.
520
00:24:20,154 --> 00:24:22,112
I got pepper-sprayed,
521
00:24:22,156 --> 00:24:24,767
and then I got shot
in the face
with a rubber bullet.
522
00:24:24,811 --> 00:24:27,335
After the protest,
the cops were following me.
523
00:24:27,378 --> 00:24:30,512
I was tackled and dragged
into a parking lot
524
00:24:30,556 --> 00:24:32,427
where they punched me
in the head,
525
00:24:32,471 --> 00:24:34,124
knocked my glasses off,
526
00:24:34,168 --> 00:24:36,692
put me in a chokehold
till I couldn't breathe,
527
00:24:36,736 --> 00:24:38,825
handcuffed me
528
00:24:38,868 --> 00:24:41,523
and then carried me down
to a bus
529
00:24:41,567 --> 00:24:45,005
where I was charged
with $11 million in damages.
530
00:24:45,048 --> 00:24:47,224
MAN: Fucking fascists!
531
00:24:47,268 --> 00:24:49,357
LAWYER: Your Honor, I continue
to present Mr. Harper,
532
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:50,837
plead not guilty.
533
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,534
JOSH: Some of the people
who were arrested
534
00:24:52,578 --> 00:24:54,623
had never been
arrested before.
535
00:24:54,667 --> 00:24:56,930
In some cases, this was
the first demonstration
536
00:24:56,973 --> 00:24:58,540
that they had ever attended.
537
00:24:58,584 --> 00:25:01,500
Many of them were standing
legally on the sidewalk
538
00:25:01,543 --> 00:25:03,023
when the cops rushed in
539
00:25:03,066 --> 00:25:04,894
and just started
snatching people at random.
540
00:25:04,938 --> 00:25:06,940
JILL: A policeman comes
from behind me
541
00:25:06,983 --> 00:25:08,419
and he says,
"Get out of here."
542
00:25:08,463 --> 00:25:10,421
And then another cop
grabs me from behind
543
00:25:10,465 --> 00:25:13,076
and puts the cuffs on me
and tells me I'm under arrest.
544
00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:16,210
And I said, "That policeman
just told me to get out of here
545
00:25:16,253 --> 00:25:18,081
and I'm trying
to follow his instructions."
546
00:25:18,125 --> 00:25:19,561
Didn't matter.
547
00:25:19,605 --> 00:25:21,868
And there's something
very radicalizing about that.
548
00:25:21,911 --> 00:25:23,522
JILL: Honestly, I think
the Little Rock police
549
00:25:23,565 --> 00:25:25,480
are the ones
that put us
550
00:25:25,524 --> 00:25:27,264
on the suspected
terrorist list.
551
00:25:27,308 --> 00:25:29,179
Just for standing
on the street,
552
00:25:29,223 --> 00:25:31,051
they put us on this list.
553
00:25:31,094 --> 00:25:33,793
JOSH: They started going back
to their communities
554
00:25:33,836 --> 00:25:35,969
and they were outraged
and they were angry...
555
00:25:37,100 --> 00:25:39,538
And they were
raring to go.
556
00:25:39,581 --> 00:25:40,974
WILL: Stephens Inc,
from day one
557
00:25:41,017 --> 00:25:42,279
said they were not
gonna bow to pressure.
558
00:25:42,323 --> 00:25:43,759
But a few things
were happening.
559
00:25:43,803 --> 00:25:45,718
One was that,
the SHAC campaign
560
00:25:45,761 --> 00:25:50,026
the lawful, above ground
protest campaign continued.
561
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:51,811
REPORTER: Police say
they were well-prepared,
562
00:25:51,854 --> 00:25:53,726
but that preparation
came at a cost
563
00:25:53,769 --> 00:25:56,119
of more than $200,000.
564
00:25:56,163 --> 00:25:59,122
JOSH: The cops were going to Warren Stephens and saying,
565
00:25:59,166 --> 00:26:02,082
"Your company makes billions
and now half of our budget
566
00:26:02,125 --> 00:26:04,519
is gone because of
one protest."
567
00:26:04,563 --> 00:26:07,261
At the same time,
the underground covert elements
568
00:26:07,304 --> 00:26:09,698
continued their
illegal activity as well.
569
00:26:09,742 --> 00:26:12,222
KEVIN: They found out
Warren Stephens
personal credit card
570
00:26:12,266 --> 00:26:14,007
charged $100,000 on it,
571
00:26:14,050 --> 00:26:16,575
buying them cappuccino makers
and washing machines.
572
00:26:16,618 --> 00:26:18,185
They also found out where his
573
00:26:18,228 --> 00:26:19,752
eight million dollars
penthouse apartment was.
574
00:26:19,795 --> 00:26:21,144
They threw red paint
all over it
575
00:26:21,188 --> 00:26:22,581
and smashed the front window.
576
00:26:22,624 --> 00:26:25,627
There was
an uncontrollable element
577
00:26:25,671 --> 00:26:27,542
to this movement
578
00:26:27,586 --> 00:26:29,805
that was even beyond SHAC.
579
00:26:29,849 --> 00:26:31,633
That was taking things
to a level
580
00:26:31,677 --> 00:26:33,896
that made it
way too uncomfortable
581
00:26:33,940 --> 00:26:35,463
to stay connected
to Huntingdon.
582
00:26:35,506 --> 00:26:38,901
This combination of relentless,
above-ground organizing
583
00:26:38,945 --> 00:26:42,557
and relentless underground
or illegal activity as well,
584
00:26:42,601 --> 00:26:45,560
all helped to force
the hand of Stephens Inc.
585
00:26:45,604 --> 00:26:46,822
REPORTER:
Stephens sold its stock
586
00:26:46,866 --> 00:26:48,345
in the medical testing lab.
587
00:26:48,389 --> 00:26:50,391
A decision
Stephens officials say
588
00:26:50,434 --> 00:26:52,654
had nothing to do
with this protest.
589
00:26:52,698 --> 00:26:55,309
It was a business decision
that's good for everybody,
590
00:26:55,352 --> 00:26:57,093
Huntingdon, us
and the new entity
591
00:26:57,137 --> 00:27:00,009
that's gonna be
the majority owner.
592
00:27:00,053 --> 00:27:02,533
I felt...
593
00:27:02,577 --> 00:27:06,712
I felt and I feel wonderful
about beating Stephens.
594
00:27:06,755 --> 00:27:10,498
All of the money
and all of the resources
they had,
595
00:27:10,541 --> 00:27:13,283
and to be able
to stare them down
596
00:27:13,327 --> 00:27:17,897
and say, "We won this time.
We won."
597
00:27:21,552 --> 00:27:24,033
KEVIN: It was satisfying
on like, a personal level
598
00:27:24,077 --> 00:27:27,036
because we got mano a mano
with this billionaire brat
599
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,517
who thought he could
stand up to us.
600
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,301
And we won.
601
00:27:31,345 --> 00:27:32,999
It wasn't satisfying in that,
602
00:27:33,042 --> 00:27:36,480
"Oh, finally this place is done
and we can move on."
603
00:27:36,524 --> 00:27:38,874
It didn't pan out that way.
604
00:27:38,918 --> 00:27:40,789
Somebody bought
the damn shares.
605
00:27:43,096 --> 00:27:45,707
KEVIN: We set up a little house
and operated out of there.
606
00:27:45,751 --> 00:27:47,883
The whole top floor
was an office.
607
00:27:47,927 --> 00:27:49,711
When I went to work
in the SHAC office,
608
00:27:49,755 --> 00:27:51,495
I was only supposed to go
for three months.
609
00:27:51,539 --> 00:27:53,062
And I never came back.
610
00:27:53,106 --> 00:27:55,935
MAN: We weren't paid.
We were all broke.
611
00:27:55,978 --> 00:27:57,850
JAKE: I think we just had to
roll a carpet on the floor
612
00:27:57,893 --> 00:27:59,808
that everyone sat on.
613
00:27:59,852 --> 00:28:01,897
MAN: We were able
to raise enough money
through donations
614
00:28:01,941 --> 00:28:03,116
to pay for the rent.
615
00:28:03,159 --> 00:28:04,900
I couldn't believe
that they had sacrificed
616
00:28:04,944 --> 00:28:06,641
and had given up
absolutely everything.
617
00:28:06,685 --> 00:28:08,077
They just had no food
618
00:28:08,121 --> 00:28:09,296
in the house
that they were living in.
619
00:28:09,339 --> 00:28:10,993
They drink fasting tea.
620
00:28:11,037 --> 00:28:13,735
You wake up and your stomach is growling and you're hungry,
621
00:28:13,779 --> 00:28:15,215
and you drink fasting tea.
622
00:28:15,258 --> 00:28:17,130
MAN: We worked, you know,
seven days a week,
623
00:28:17,173 --> 00:28:18,914
sometimes 15, 18 hours a day.
624
00:28:18,958 --> 00:28:20,220
JAKE: This is how I'd go about
625
00:28:20,263 --> 00:28:21,917
working on
some of the projects.
626
00:28:21,961 --> 00:28:23,353
You know, we'd come up
with something very generic
627
00:28:23,397 --> 00:28:24,920
and then I'd maybe
sketch out a few ideas
628
00:28:24,964 --> 00:28:26,400
and then I put it
into action.
629
00:28:26,443 --> 00:28:29,272
KEVIN: We put an
advertisement in for a brick.
630
00:28:29,316 --> 00:28:30,752
You know,
631
00:28:30,796 --> 00:28:33,668
a smashing idea in the war
on vivisection.
632
00:28:33,712 --> 00:28:35,583
After a while, we just
kind of got a reputation
633
00:28:35,626 --> 00:28:36,889
for being smartasses.
634
00:28:36,932 --> 00:28:39,630
Learn to recognize
gang members.
635
00:28:42,633 --> 00:28:44,548
That's good, huh?
636
00:28:44,592 --> 00:28:45,941
SHAC as a campaign,
637
00:28:45,985 --> 00:28:47,856
coordinated national
campaign targets
638
00:28:47,900 --> 00:28:50,467
in the dissemination
of information.
639
00:28:50,511 --> 00:28:53,122
But it was left
up to the local groups
640
00:28:53,166 --> 00:28:55,472
as to how they wanted
to use that information.
641
00:28:55,516 --> 00:28:58,388
ACTIVIST: The website was the
cornerstone of the campaign.
642
00:28:58,432 --> 00:28:59,955
Everything that happened
in the campaign
643
00:28:59,999 --> 00:29:01,435
went up on that website.
644
00:29:01,478 --> 00:29:03,785
It was mobilization,
energy and excitement.
645
00:29:03,829 --> 00:29:07,006
Up to date, minute-by-minute
reports of what
your communities
646
00:29:07,049 --> 00:29:09,138
across the world were doing.
647
00:29:09,182 --> 00:29:11,314
JOSH: And this
was before Facebook.
648
00:29:11,358 --> 00:29:12,925
It was a complete
turning point
649
00:29:12,968 --> 00:29:15,405
in social movement organizing.
650
00:29:15,449 --> 00:29:17,016
LINDSAY: Any time
we read an update,
651
00:29:17,059 --> 00:29:20,454
we really felt like a part of,
like, the bigger campaigns.
652
00:29:24,850 --> 00:29:26,286
Oh, fudge.
653
00:29:27,461 --> 00:29:28,331
All right.
654
00:29:28,375 --> 00:29:29,593
Story of my life.
655
00:29:29,637 --> 00:29:31,770
Always a little bit
out of gas.
656
00:29:32,727 --> 00:29:34,207
We're punk kids,
657
00:29:34,250 --> 00:29:35,512
we don't have money
to be throwing around
658
00:29:35,556 --> 00:29:36,818
to change the world.
659
00:29:36,862 --> 00:29:39,168
I don't keep a gas can
in my car
660
00:29:39,212 --> 00:29:40,953
because I dread that
one day, that like,
661
00:29:40,996 --> 00:29:42,824
the cops pull me over
and then say
662
00:29:42,868 --> 00:29:46,132
I'm in possession of
bomb-making instruments
663
00:29:46,175 --> 00:29:47,524
or some bullshit
like that.
664
00:29:47,568 --> 00:29:49,657
So instead, we just see
the ebb and flow
665
00:29:49,700 --> 00:29:51,267
of where the money is.
666
00:29:52,573 --> 00:29:54,096
Yeah, 40 cents of gas.
667
00:29:54,140 --> 00:29:55,532
And through
our direct actions
668
00:29:55,576 --> 00:29:58,448
we're gonna try to
become part of this process.
669
00:29:58,492 --> 00:30:00,102
You haven't been part
of the corporate world
670
00:30:00,146 --> 00:30:01,364
and you don't know
how they work,
671
00:30:01,408 --> 00:30:02,496
but you can figure
all that stuff out.
672
00:30:04,150 --> 00:30:05,586
JAKE: Then you understand
not only its strengths,
673
00:30:05,629 --> 00:30:07,283
but you understand
its weaknesses.
674
00:30:07,327 --> 00:30:09,720
And then, you can start
picking these places apart.
675
00:30:09,764 --> 00:30:12,680
ANDY: Something like
Huntingdon Life Sciences
676
00:30:12,723 --> 00:30:15,988
needs to be targeted,
financially.
677
00:30:16,031 --> 00:30:18,294
Because they speak
in the language of money.
678
00:30:18,338 --> 00:30:20,862
JAKE: One of us just
called up someone at the SCC
679
00:30:20,906 --> 00:30:22,777
and we pretended that we were college students.
680
00:30:22,821 --> 00:30:24,344
And was like, "Hey,
can you answer some questions
681
00:30:24,387 --> 00:30:26,476
about how financials work
for a corporation?"
682
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,827
And this person was
really excited to tell them.
683
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:30,916
I think we carried on a relationship with that person
684
00:30:30,959 --> 00:30:32,656
for almost two years
of just being like,
685
00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:34,876
"Hey, it's so-and-so,
doing my papers still.
686
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,747
Like, could you answer
this question for me?
687
00:30:36,791 --> 00:30:38,314
What's a market maker?"
688
00:30:38,358 --> 00:30:39,925
This stuff
is really complicated.
689
00:30:39,968 --> 00:30:41,883
They had to learn about
the pink sheets
690
00:30:41,927 --> 00:30:43,276
and market makers.
691
00:30:43,319 --> 00:30:45,060
And this is not the type
of campaigning
692
00:30:45,104 --> 00:30:46,540
that a lot of people
are willing to do.
693
00:30:46,583 --> 00:30:48,498
It's not glamorous,
it's not fun.
694
00:30:48,542 --> 00:30:50,761
This movement
embraced those tactics
695
00:30:50,805 --> 00:30:52,894
because they realized it had
the potential for change.
696
00:30:54,504 --> 00:30:56,158
There were hundreds
of companies
697
00:30:56,202 --> 00:30:58,204
that were severing themselves
from this laboratory
698
00:30:58,247 --> 00:31:00,554
'cause they didn't want to put up with activist pressure.
699
00:31:00,597 --> 00:31:02,556
So, because I work
for a company?
700
00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:04,166
-Yes.
-Absolutely.
701
00:31:04,210 --> 00:31:05,907
You guys are
interrupting my family.
702
00:31:07,387 --> 00:31:09,432
They just sent me
3,000 e-mails today.
703
00:31:09,476 --> 00:31:11,130
And now they're at my door.
704
00:31:11,173 --> 00:31:12,479
What the fuck?
705
00:31:12,522 --> 00:31:14,133
We'd kinda look at what
other cities were active
706
00:31:14,176 --> 00:31:16,265
and say, "Oh, we're gonna do
a better demonstration
than them.
707
00:31:16,309 --> 00:31:17,353
We're gonna have more people."
708
00:31:17,397 --> 00:31:19,051
Keep any business
709
00:31:19,094 --> 00:31:22,054
from having anything to do
with Huntingdon Life Sciences.
710
00:31:22,097 --> 00:31:23,446
There are no lab coats
711
00:31:23,490 --> 00:31:25,361
because the linen service
is no longer functioning.
712
00:31:25,405 --> 00:31:26,797
Trash is piling up because
713
00:31:26,841 --> 00:31:28,843
the waste removal company
is not working with you.
714
00:31:28,887 --> 00:31:31,933
KEVIN:
Huntingdon's janitors quit,
the cafeteria supplier quit.
715
00:31:31,977 --> 00:31:33,369
Internet companies, auditors.
716
00:31:33,413 --> 00:31:35,850
The idea was, we will
stick with this until we win.
717
00:31:35,894 --> 00:31:37,896
JAKE: Phone blockades,
e-mail blockades.
718
00:31:37,939 --> 00:31:39,332
Denial of service attacks.
719
00:31:41,073 --> 00:31:42,944
No one would participate
on their board anymore.
720
00:31:42,988 --> 00:31:44,641
We love animals too.
721
00:31:44,685 --> 00:31:47,166
We would never hurt
an animal.
722
00:31:47,209 --> 00:31:48,819
-Never.
-WOMAN: But you do!
723
00:31:48,863 --> 00:31:51,735
We started this
protest campaign against
a guy in Pakistan.
724
00:31:51,779 --> 00:31:53,128
He called up and said,
"I don't want to deal
725
00:31:53,172 --> 00:31:55,087
with you people anymore.
I'm quitting."
726
00:31:55,130 --> 00:31:58,525
The largest accounting firm
in the world, just backed up
within 24 hours.
727
00:31:58,568 --> 00:32:00,048
After looking
at the SHAC website,
728
00:32:00,092 --> 00:32:01,571
they do not
want to be part of this.
729
00:32:03,573 --> 00:32:05,662
KEVIN: The world's biggest
financial corporation,
730
00:32:05,706 --> 00:32:07,708
Citibank, Merrill Lynch,
Charles Schwab,
731
00:32:07,751 --> 00:32:10,363
they realized one thing,
that it wasn't worth it.
732
00:32:10,406 --> 00:32:11,581
ACTIVIST: Their share price
dropped from like
733
00:32:11,625 --> 00:32:13,670
$30 to a few pennies.
734
00:32:13,714 --> 00:32:16,412
KEVIN: Try suing us,
it doesn't work!
735
00:32:16,456 --> 00:32:19,546
Try the FBI,
try police beatings.
736
00:32:19,589 --> 00:32:21,983
We don't fucking care!
737
00:32:22,027 --> 00:32:23,637
We're never going away
738
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,421
and we always win.
739
00:32:25,465 --> 00:32:27,293
We really felt unstoppable
at that point.
740
00:32:27,336 --> 00:32:29,251
REPORTER: This week
activists vomited
741
00:32:29,295 --> 00:32:32,080
on an HLS display table
at a pharmacological
conference
742
00:32:32,124 --> 00:32:33,864
in San Francisco, on Monday,
743
00:32:33,908 --> 00:32:36,606
and then
turned over tables yesterday.
744
00:32:36,650 --> 00:32:40,001
We're gonna be a royal
pain in the ass
745
00:32:40,045 --> 00:32:42,699
and then a rude embarrassment
746
00:32:42,743 --> 00:32:44,397
to any company
747
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,399
that is connected
to Huntingdon.
748
00:32:47,835 --> 00:32:49,184
Ah, well, first of all,
749
00:32:49,228 --> 00:32:52,013
I'd like to thank
all the federal agents
750
00:32:52,057 --> 00:32:54,450
and informants
who made it out tonight.
751
00:32:54,494 --> 00:32:56,017
It's always special
to see you.
752
00:32:58,933 --> 00:33:01,762
You know, I don't know
if there would've been
a campaign without hubris.
753
00:33:01,805 --> 00:33:03,590
You have to have a degree
of arrogance
754
00:33:03,633 --> 00:33:07,855
to think you can take on
multinational corporations
755
00:33:07,898 --> 00:33:09,422
and win.
756
00:33:09,465 --> 00:33:11,467
But then I think,
underestimating
757
00:33:11,511 --> 00:33:13,382
the connections
of those individuals
758
00:33:13,426 --> 00:33:15,994
and how far that they were
willing to go to push back.
759
00:33:24,872 --> 00:33:28,310
They started out small
by watching us.
760
00:33:28,354 --> 00:33:30,269
There was this sedan.
761
00:33:30,312 --> 00:33:32,488
There were these two guys
that were clearly agents.
762
00:33:32,532 --> 00:33:33,968
You knock on the window
and they go,
763
00:33:34,012 --> 00:33:35,796
"Yeah, I'm gonna leave now.
I'm gonna go to the store,
764
00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:37,624
I'm gonna go to
the video store,
maybe get a movie or something.
765
00:33:37,667 --> 00:33:39,104
You guys ready? You ready?"
766
00:33:39,147 --> 00:33:40,018
They're like, "Yeah."
767
00:33:51,203 --> 00:33:52,508
Since that failed,
768
00:33:52,552 --> 00:33:54,336
they started
searching our trashes.
769
00:33:54,380 --> 00:33:57,035
Here is these two
well-dressed men,
770
00:33:57,078 --> 00:33:59,515
they're rifling
through my garbage.
771
00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:02,301
Uh, so we started
coming out here all the time
772
00:34:02,344 --> 00:34:05,130
with all
the cat litter boxes
773
00:34:05,173 --> 00:34:07,219
and dumping it
all over our garbage.
774
00:34:07,262 --> 00:34:09,612
Anybody who has studied
775
00:34:09,656 --> 00:34:12,093
resistance movements
in this country
776
00:34:12,137 --> 00:34:14,095
understands that the FBI
777
00:34:14,139 --> 00:34:16,141
has always been an enemy
778
00:34:16,184 --> 00:34:19,448
to people who are attempting
to create change.
779
00:34:19,492 --> 00:34:22,234
And then here, it bears out,
how I also feel about the FBI,
780
00:34:22,799 --> 00:34:24,801
that I hate them.
781
00:34:24,845 --> 00:34:27,891
I think they're perverse,
pathetic bullies.
782
00:34:38,032 --> 00:34:39,686
MAN: People
are back here demonstrating
783
00:34:39,729 --> 00:34:41,340
in front of Harper's house.
784
00:34:41,383 --> 00:34:43,168
They have picketers,
they got bullhorns.
785
00:34:43,211 --> 00:34:44,560
They're here to harass
these people.
786
00:34:44,604 --> 00:34:45,822
We have an injunction
against them.
787
00:34:55,180 --> 00:34:59,140
The law has been something
where I've said, "This is
what I was made to do."
788
00:34:59,184 --> 00:35:00,533
Some people
are good at sports,
789
00:35:00,576 --> 00:35:01,751
I'm good at the law,
790
00:35:01,795 --> 00:35:03,797
including following it,
I might point out.
791
00:35:05,407 --> 00:35:07,105
Um, you know...
792
00:35:08,236 --> 00:35:09,759
some would disagree.
793
00:35:32,956 --> 00:35:34,523
WILL: Protests
at individuals' homes
794
00:35:34,567 --> 00:35:36,569
is certainly controversial,
795
00:35:36,612 --> 00:35:38,658
but it's also
constitutionally protected.
796
00:35:38,701 --> 00:35:40,573
Sometimes there are
local ordinances
797
00:35:40,616 --> 00:35:43,010
or some kind of injunction
that comes into play,
798
00:35:43,053 --> 00:35:46,231
attempting to rewrite that
First Amendment protection.
799
00:35:46,274 --> 00:35:47,580
KEVIN: You can't
do demonstrations
800
00:35:47,623 --> 00:35:49,059
unless it's between
4:00 and 6:00,
801
00:35:49,103 --> 00:35:50,365
and you can't have
a bullhorn,
802
00:35:50,409 --> 00:35:51,801
and there can
only be ten people
803
00:35:51,845 --> 00:35:53,803
and you have to give
72 hours' notice.
804
00:35:53,847 --> 00:35:56,371
Well, fine. We'd follow
those instructions to a T,
805
00:35:56,415 --> 00:35:57,807
but we wouldn't stop going.
806
00:35:57,851 --> 00:35:59,679
LAUREN: Your neighbors
don't like us here.
807
00:35:59,722 --> 00:36:02,247
We're not going away
until your company severs ties
808
00:36:02,290 --> 00:36:03,813
with Huntingdon Life Sciences.
809
00:36:03,857 --> 00:36:05,685
LAUREN: I received
an indictment in the mail,
810
00:36:05,728 --> 00:36:07,382
charging me with,
811
00:36:07,426 --> 00:36:09,863
I believe, threats,
extortion and conspiracy
to commit both,
812
00:36:09,906 --> 00:36:11,952
and I was facing 20 years
in prison.
813
00:36:13,258 --> 00:36:15,782
I read the complaint,
and I got very nervous.
814
00:36:15,825 --> 00:36:17,305
I thought to myself,
815
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:20,352
"Hmm, everything they've said
in here is true."
816
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:27,663
OREN: They're chanting,
"Burn this house
to the ground."
817
00:36:27,707 --> 00:36:29,056
That's unacceptable.
818
00:36:29,099 --> 00:36:31,101
That's just not what we do
in this country
819
00:36:31,145 --> 00:36:32,494
to get things done.
820
00:36:32,538 --> 00:36:34,279
There were attempts
by Marsh using that example,
821
00:36:34,322 --> 00:36:35,845
raising the spectra
that they might actually
822
00:36:35,889 --> 00:36:37,934
burn this house
to the ground.
823
00:36:37,978 --> 00:36:40,285
JAKE: The SHAC, uh, matches.
824
00:36:40,328 --> 00:36:42,025
One of those things we probably
should've thought through
825
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:43,549
a little more
before actually doing.
826
00:36:43,592 --> 00:36:45,681
Yeah, they have a little, like,
ALF guy on the cover
827
00:36:45,725 --> 00:36:47,770
and that says, "Smash HLS,"
828
00:36:47,814 --> 00:36:50,338
and the back says,
"Strike a match."
829
00:36:50,382 --> 00:36:53,211
And the inside,
Huntingdon Life Sciences'
address.
830
00:36:53,254 --> 00:36:55,648
Not that
we're inciting anything,
831
00:36:55,691 --> 00:36:58,259
but just in case
people need 'em.
832
00:36:58,303 --> 00:36:59,347
WILL: They knew
the ins and outs
833
00:36:59,391 --> 00:37:00,827
of civil rights campaigning,
834
00:37:00,870 --> 00:37:04,309
and decisions like
NAACP v. Claiborne Hardware.
835
00:37:04,352 --> 00:37:06,746
The scope to which you're able
to engage,
836
00:37:06,789 --> 00:37:09,096
in not just
controversial speech,
837
00:37:09,139 --> 00:37:11,881
but really bold,
ambitious speech
838
00:37:11,925 --> 00:37:14,493
that in a lot
of other countries
would be over the line.
839
00:37:14,536 --> 00:37:17,278
But the First Amendment case
law in the United States
840
00:37:17,322 --> 00:37:18,410
has defended all of it.
841
00:37:18,453 --> 00:37:20,716
The First Amendment
protects advocacy.
842
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,284
Including advocacy
of illegal actions
843
00:37:23,328 --> 00:37:25,808
unless it meets
the incitement test.
844
00:37:25,852 --> 00:37:28,507
It's not enough to have
outrageous speech.
845
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:30,509
That speech has to result in
846
00:37:30,552 --> 00:37:33,251
what's called imminent
and lawless action.
847
00:37:33,294 --> 00:37:36,471
Remember, Arthur,
get him alive if you can!
848
00:37:36,515 --> 00:37:37,951
-But get him!
849
00:37:37,994 --> 00:37:40,388
It has to set fire to reason.
850
00:37:40,432 --> 00:37:42,825
ALL:
White lives matter!
White lives matter!
851
00:37:44,479 --> 00:37:47,090
HEIDI: We will
tolerate a wide range
852
00:37:47,134 --> 00:37:50,529
of impassion,
even threatening speech,
853
00:37:50,572 --> 00:37:53,923
as long as it doesn't target
a specific individual
854
00:37:53,967 --> 00:37:55,316
for imminent harm.
855
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:56,665
Imminence is the key,
856
00:37:56,709 --> 00:38:01,191
and it really is interpreted
to mean immediate.
857
00:38:01,235 --> 00:38:04,456
I don't think that that chant was my most flattering moment.
858
00:38:04,499 --> 00:38:08,373
But I think it's pretty clear
I wasn't inciting a mob.
859
00:38:08,416 --> 00:38:10,244
We weren't carrying torches.
860
00:38:10,288 --> 00:38:12,594
There were police,
private investigators there
861
00:38:12,638 --> 00:38:14,204
who seemed unconcerned.
862
00:38:14,248 --> 00:38:17,599
I didn't really want
the man's house
to burn down.
863
00:38:17,643 --> 00:38:21,516
My attorney argued that the speech was protected.
864
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,389
And the court agreed
and dismissed the case.
865
00:38:24,432 --> 00:38:27,305
That was a really powerful
thing for the campaign,
866
00:38:27,348 --> 00:38:29,959
to understand what it was
about the law
867
00:38:30,003 --> 00:38:31,396
that protected
what we were doing.
868
00:38:38,620 --> 00:38:40,013
JOSH: You know
what people care about?
869
00:38:40,056 --> 00:38:42,711
People care about winning.
They care about victory,
870
00:38:42,755 --> 00:38:44,191
and that's the most
beautiful thing
871
00:38:44,234 --> 00:38:46,846
about the Huntingdon
Life Sciences campaign.
872
00:38:46,889 --> 00:38:48,978
We're not here
to tell you how to behave.
873
00:38:49,022 --> 00:38:51,067
What we're here
to convince you to do
874
00:38:51,111 --> 00:38:53,331
is to take
the personal initiative
875
00:38:53,374 --> 00:38:55,811
to shut
this fucking lab down.
876
00:38:57,944 --> 00:38:59,119
WOMAN: Hey, Marsh!
877
00:38:59,162 --> 00:39:02,035
What do you say?
500 animals died today.
878
00:39:02,078 --> 00:39:05,168
Tell your employer to stop
insuring HLS.
879
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:16,963
KEVIN:
When a corporation thought
880
00:39:17,006 --> 00:39:19,400
that with all their money
and political clout,
881
00:39:19,444 --> 00:39:20,967
they could silence us,
882
00:39:21,010 --> 00:39:23,839
the more recalcitrant
and stubborn we became.
883
00:39:23,883 --> 00:39:26,364
Tell your employer
this is what happens
884
00:39:26,407 --> 00:39:28,714
when you insure
animal cruelty
885
00:39:28,757 --> 00:39:31,281
for your own...
886
00:39:31,325 --> 00:39:32,500
Fuck off my fucking...
887
00:39:32,544 --> 00:39:34,372
WOMAN: Did you tape that?
There's a camera.
888
00:39:34,415 --> 00:39:36,199
I don't give a shit.
This is my house.
889
00:39:39,986 --> 00:39:42,554
Go ahead and call the cops.
890
00:39:43,729 --> 00:39:45,557
KEVIN: Hey, that's assault,
man, sir.
891
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:46,993
WOMAN: You're fucking...
892
00:39:47,036 --> 00:39:49,648
We encourage anybody
no matter where you come from
893
00:39:49,691 --> 00:39:51,040
to get involved.
894
00:39:51,084 --> 00:39:53,216
You can do whatever
you feel comfortable doing,
895
00:39:53,260 --> 00:39:54,653
whether that be
writing a letter,
896
00:39:54,696 --> 00:39:56,916
making a phone call,
going on a demonstration,
897
00:39:56,959 --> 00:39:58,134
throwing a brick
through the window
898
00:39:58,178 --> 00:39:59,309
or breaking into Huntingdon
899
00:39:59,353 --> 00:40:00,615
and getting
all those animals out.
900
00:40:00,659 --> 00:40:02,443
Whatever you do,
we will support.
901
00:40:08,318 --> 00:40:10,190
NEWS REPORTER:
An act of domestic terrorism,
902
00:40:10,233 --> 00:40:13,280
that's what police
are calling two attacks
in downtown Seattle.
903
00:40:13,323 --> 00:40:15,978
A military-style
smoke grenade
flooded offices--
904
00:40:16,022 --> 00:40:17,806
-NEWS REPORTER 1: Within hours,
suspicion focused...
905
00:40:17,850 --> 00:40:19,765
on an animal rights
organization known as
906
00:40:19,808 --> 00:40:21,680
"Stop Huntingdon
Animal Cruelty."
907
00:40:21,723 --> 00:40:24,422
SHAC praised the attacks
targeting Marsh Ltd.
908
00:40:26,162 --> 00:40:27,555
Oh, my fucking God.
909
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:30,384
I'm the public face
of this campaign in this city.
910
00:40:30,428 --> 00:40:33,561
And this is something
I do not wanna be blamed for.
911
00:40:33,605 --> 00:40:34,693
And I'm not even sure
912
00:40:34,736 --> 00:40:37,739
if I wanna be seen as...
supporting it.
913
00:40:37,783 --> 00:40:41,264
Our organization
does not take responsibility,
914
00:40:41,308 --> 00:40:44,050
does not elicit
and does not participate
915
00:40:44,093 --> 00:40:47,532
in the underground illegal
direct action campaigns.
916
00:40:47,575 --> 00:40:50,317
We support it enthusiastically,
but that is not us.
917
00:40:52,014 --> 00:40:54,495
JOSH: I was thinking
about the thousands of people
918
00:40:54,539 --> 00:40:57,455
in those buildings
who don't know
what's going on,
919
00:40:57,498 --> 00:40:59,282
who are panicked.
920
00:40:59,326 --> 00:41:01,589
I didn't know
that it was going to
921
00:41:01,633 --> 00:41:04,505
do a whole hell of a lot
to help animals
922
00:41:04,549 --> 00:41:06,202
inside of
Huntingdon Life Sciences.
923
00:41:08,117 --> 00:41:09,292
JAKE: On occasion,
there were things
924
00:41:09,336 --> 00:41:10,816
that people
went out and did
925
00:41:10,859 --> 00:41:13,166
we disagreed with
tactically or ethically.
926
00:41:13,209 --> 00:41:15,777
And ultimately,
we decided that this webpage,
927
00:41:15,821 --> 00:41:18,824
this campaign, this movement
belonged to all of us.
928
00:41:18,867 --> 00:41:20,782
And we could all participate
in a way that we wanted,
929
00:41:20,826 --> 00:41:22,741
and you can do that
without being censored.
930
00:41:22,784 --> 00:41:25,483
MAN: The defendants had a policy with the organization,
931
00:41:25,526 --> 00:41:26,919
that every communique
932
00:41:26,962 --> 00:41:29,748
and message
they received anonymously,
933
00:41:29,791 --> 00:41:31,445
it was related
to the campaign,
934
00:41:31,489 --> 00:41:33,708
any tactic,
they would post
on the website.
935
00:41:33,752 --> 00:41:35,536
We get a purchase report,
936
00:41:35,580 --> 00:41:37,451
cut and paste,
put it on the website.
937
00:41:37,495 --> 00:41:38,887
JAKE: I mean,
we've got thousands
938
00:41:38,931 --> 00:41:40,149
and thousands of reports
over the years,
939
00:41:40,193 --> 00:41:41,890
and it was difficult.
940
00:41:41,934 --> 00:41:43,675
A number of times,
941
00:41:43,718 --> 00:41:47,243
we would spend, sometimes days, going for walks in the woods,
942
00:41:47,287 --> 00:41:50,595
and having these really, like,
tough discussions about, like,
943
00:41:50,638 --> 00:41:52,074
"We want this
to be open to everyone.
944
00:41:52,118 --> 00:41:53,467
We want people
to try new things.
945
00:41:53,511 --> 00:41:55,600
We want people
to succeed and fail.
946
00:41:55,643 --> 00:41:57,515
And we want people
to feel empowered
947
00:41:57,558 --> 00:41:59,038
to do what they think
is best."
948
00:41:59,081 --> 00:42:00,735
But at the same time,
949
00:42:00,779 --> 00:42:02,171
what are we promoting,
950
00:42:02,215 --> 00:42:04,609
and what are we putting
on our webpage?
951
00:42:04,652 --> 00:42:07,568
Some of the things
that I really despise
952
00:42:07,612 --> 00:42:09,918
about the campaign...
953
00:42:09,962 --> 00:42:12,617
I wanna make it clear
that I love the people
954
00:42:12,660 --> 00:42:15,054
who undertook these actions.
955
00:42:15,097 --> 00:42:19,275
I can see how that would be...
totally despicable
956
00:42:19,319 --> 00:42:21,408
to somebody watching this.
957
00:42:21,451 --> 00:42:24,542
How could I love somebody
in Dallas
958
00:42:24,585 --> 00:42:27,545
who went to the wrong home
959
00:42:27,588 --> 00:42:29,634
and smashed up the home
of somebody
960
00:42:29,677 --> 00:42:33,072
who had nothing to do
with Huntingdon Life Sciences?
961
00:42:33,115 --> 00:42:37,946
Some of these heinous things
that occurred, um,
962
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:41,602
were committed by people
with the best of intentions.
963
00:42:41,646 --> 00:42:43,299
Does that mean
964
00:42:43,343 --> 00:42:45,954
that I forgive
them responsibility?
965
00:42:47,303 --> 00:42:49,218
No, um,
966
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,876
but it does mean
that I appreciate
967
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,835
that they were taking
those risks,
968
00:42:56,878 --> 00:43:00,578
and that they so sincerely
wanted to create change.
969
00:43:03,755 --> 00:43:06,584
People need
to develop the skills
970
00:43:06,627 --> 00:43:09,804
to resist these
multi-national corporations.
971
00:43:09,848 --> 00:43:11,980
People have to take risks.
972
00:43:12,024 --> 00:43:14,504
And they have to learn
by trial and error.
973
00:43:17,159 --> 00:43:18,857
Social change always happens
974
00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:20,815
through a wide variety
of forces.
975
00:43:20,859 --> 00:43:22,817
It's always pluralistic.
976
00:43:22,861 --> 00:43:25,472
And people wanna
revise history.
977
00:43:25,515 --> 00:43:27,300
They wanna say,
"Well, Gandhi won
978
00:43:27,343 --> 00:43:29,650
the Indian independence
movement alone."
979
00:43:29,694 --> 00:43:31,739
Sorry, Gandhi didn't
win it alone.
980
00:43:31,783 --> 00:43:33,219
There were forces
981
00:43:33,262 --> 00:43:34,916
that were violently
attacking the British,
982
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,049
and that helped pressure
the British to leave India.
983
00:43:37,092 --> 00:43:39,268
Dr. Martin Luther King
did not win
984
00:43:39,312 --> 00:43:42,489
the Civil Rights Act
of 1964 by himself.
985
00:43:42,532 --> 00:43:45,361
Standing behind him
was Malcolm X.
986
00:43:45,405 --> 00:43:48,321
It wasn't hippies
that stopped the Vietnam War.
987
00:43:48,364 --> 00:43:50,715
It was the Vietnamese peasantry
988
00:43:50,758 --> 00:43:53,935
that kicked
the American army's ass.
989
00:43:53,979 --> 00:43:56,982
Violence and sabotage,
and property destruction,
990
00:43:57,025 --> 00:44:00,681
threats of violence
and coercive change,
991
00:44:00,725 --> 00:44:05,599
uh, of various kinds
is what moves history.
992
00:44:05,643 --> 00:44:07,732
DARIUS: We have this
really rosy picture
993
00:44:07,775 --> 00:44:10,169
of our history, you know,
where we talk about
women suffrage,
994
00:44:10,212 --> 00:44:12,084
we don't talk about arson.
995
00:44:12,127 --> 00:44:14,477
We don't talk about random
property destruction.
996
00:44:14,521 --> 00:44:17,350
America was founded
on agitation,
997
00:44:17,393 --> 00:44:20,005
throwing crates at sea
into the Boston Harbor
998
00:44:20,048 --> 00:44:22,703
because they were gonna
protest the tea tax.
999
00:44:22,747 --> 00:44:26,446
That was economic sabotage.
That was direct action.
1000
00:44:26,489 --> 00:44:28,230
That's not terrorism.
That's American.
1001
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:50,513
The moment Marsh pulled,
1002
00:44:50,557 --> 00:44:52,080
that was a big victory.
1003
00:44:52,124 --> 00:44:53,734
Because everyone thought
there's a chance
1004
00:44:53,778 --> 00:44:56,345
that HLS might not open
the next day.
1005
00:44:56,911 --> 00:44:58,086
Marsh pulled out,
1006
00:44:58,130 --> 00:45:00,132
cut ties
with Huntingdon Life Sciences.
1007
00:45:00,175 --> 00:45:03,048
It was another major victory
in the campaign,
1008
00:45:03,091 --> 00:45:06,573
but it was one
that was fairly short-lived.
1009
00:45:06,616 --> 00:45:09,228
KEVIN: The UK government
was stepping in
1010
00:45:09,271 --> 00:45:12,274
to provide Huntingdon
with insurance services
1011
00:45:12,318 --> 00:45:14,668
so they could continue
their operations,
1012
00:45:14,712 --> 00:45:16,714
and stealing the victory
we'd earned.
1013
00:45:19,804 --> 00:45:22,284
WILL: The legal efforts
that Marsh had undertaken
1014
00:45:22,328 --> 00:45:24,634
through the restraining orders and the injunctions
1015
00:45:24,678 --> 00:45:26,767
and the public
relations campaign,
1016
00:45:26,811 --> 00:45:29,509
that army
and that mentality continued.
1017
00:45:29,552 --> 00:45:32,947
And it was really rolled in
to the criminal investigation
1018
00:45:32,991 --> 00:45:34,514
of Stop Huntingdon
Animal Cruelty.
1019
00:45:36,255 --> 00:45:38,083
The scope of
this investigation included
1020
00:45:38,126 --> 00:45:40,172
more than 100 FBI agents.
1021
00:45:40,215 --> 00:45:42,348
There were more
wiretaps used
1022
00:45:42,391 --> 00:45:45,177
against people associated
with this movement
1023
00:45:45,220 --> 00:45:48,571
than any other counterterrorism investigation in US history.
1024
00:45:54,055 --> 00:45:55,317
LAUREN: Marsh is out, baby.
1025
00:46:40,362 --> 00:46:42,321
Clearly, we're planning
illegal activities,
1026
00:46:42,364 --> 00:46:43,496
and it's just
a matter of time
1027
00:46:43,539 --> 00:46:44,584
before they hear us doing it.
1028
00:46:46,368 --> 00:46:48,936
Either they're really,
really terrible at their jobs
1029
00:46:48,980 --> 00:46:50,372
or they just...
1030
00:46:50,416 --> 00:46:51,330
we weren't doing what
they thought we were doing.
1031
00:46:55,638 --> 00:46:57,727
JOHN: We're currently
seeing a significant amount
1032
00:46:57,771 --> 00:46:59,164
of direct action activity
1033
00:46:59,207 --> 00:47:01,688
that we are unable
to effectively address
1034
00:47:01,731 --> 00:47:04,473
given the federal statutes
we have to work with.
1035
00:47:04,517 --> 00:47:06,606
JAMES: There is a need
for a tighter legislation
1036
00:47:06,649 --> 00:47:08,434
to curb
this criminal activity
1037
00:47:08,477 --> 00:47:10,436
that up to date
has been impervious
1038
00:47:10,479 --> 00:47:12,090
to law enforcement
authorities.
1039
00:47:12,133 --> 00:47:13,700
We're committed to working
with our partners
1040
00:47:13,743 --> 00:47:15,789
to disrupt and dismantle
these movements,
1041
00:47:15,833 --> 00:47:17,225
to protect
our fellow citizens
1042
00:47:17,269 --> 00:47:19,575
and to bring the justice
to those who commit crime
1043
00:47:19,619 --> 00:47:21,795
and terrorism in the name
of animal rights.
1044
00:47:22,927 --> 00:47:25,233
WILL: The single
most powerful word
1045
00:47:25,277 --> 00:47:28,019
in our language right now
is "Terrorism."
1046
00:47:28,062 --> 00:47:30,499
JAMES: This level
of violence and propensity
1047
00:47:30,543 --> 00:47:33,720
for harm has led the FBI
to include SHAC
1048
00:47:33,763 --> 00:47:36,723
as the most serious domestic
terrorist threat today.
1049
00:47:36,766 --> 00:47:38,377
MAN: There is
a congressional hearing
1050
00:47:38,420 --> 00:47:41,859
attempting to label activists
as eco-terrorists.
1051
00:47:41,902 --> 00:47:43,817
It's a call
for new legislation,
1052
00:47:43,861 --> 00:47:46,776
and to expand the concept
of terrorism.
1053
00:47:49,257 --> 00:47:52,260
It was clearly
the senate judiciary
committee meeting
1054
00:47:52,304 --> 00:47:54,959
to decide what they could do
to stop us.
1055
00:47:55,002 --> 00:47:56,525
The department
supports amending
1056
00:47:56,569 --> 00:47:59,920
Title 18, United States Code,
Section 43,
1057
00:47:59,964 --> 00:48:01,879
to include,
among other things,
1058
00:48:01,922 --> 00:48:04,969
economic disruption
to animal enterprises.
1059
00:48:05,012 --> 00:48:06,013
WILL:
Members of the Congress
1060
00:48:06,057 --> 00:48:07,493
on the Democratic side said,
1061
00:48:07,536 --> 00:48:10,626
"Hey, we gotta have a witness.
One opposition witness."
1062
00:48:10,670 --> 00:48:13,455
Our final witness today,
Mr. William Potter.
1063
00:48:13,499 --> 00:48:14,892
Mr. Potter is a reporter.
1064
00:48:14,935 --> 00:48:16,502
WILL: This was
all political theater.
1065
00:48:16,545 --> 00:48:18,721
I was told by Democrats
on the committee that,
1066
00:48:18,765 --> 00:48:21,115
"It's okay if you raise
some minor objections.
1067
00:48:21,159 --> 00:48:23,944
Just keep in mind that
all the Democrats
on that committee
1068
00:48:23,988 --> 00:48:26,294
support the Animal
Enterprise Terrorism Act."
1069
00:48:26,338 --> 00:48:28,079
The bill criminalizes
any activity
1070
00:48:28,122 --> 00:48:29,558
against an animal enterprise,
1071
00:48:29,602 --> 00:48:32,518
or any company tangential
to an animal enterprise
1072
00:48:32,561 --> 00:48:34,346
that causes
economic damage.
1073
00:48:34,389 --> 00:48:37,131
The fine is including
the loss of profits.
1074
00:48:37,175 --> 00:48:40,656
That's not terrorism.
That's effective activism.
1075
00:48:40,700 --> 00:48:43,703
The point of this activity,
very successfully executed
1076
00:48:43,746 --> 00:48:45,400
in recent cases,
I might add,
1077
00:48:45,444 --> 00:48:46,924
is to force business owners
1078
00:48:46,967 --> 00:48:49,274
to sever ties
with a principle target.
1079
00:48:49,317 --> 00:48:50,710
An act that
disrupts business,
1080
00:48:50,753 --> 00:48:53,931
one that can inflict
serious economic damage.
1081
00:48:53,974 --> 00:48:56,672
HEIDI: They have
pinpointed boycotts
1082
00:48:56,716 --> 00:49:00,807
and traditional forms of
protest, and criminalized it,
1083
00:49:00,850 --> 00:49:03,984
so that any threat
1084
00:49:04,028 --> 00:49:06,508
to cause a loss of profit
to a corporation
1085
00:49:06,552 --> 00:49:09,207
is now considered
an act of terrorism.
1086
00:49:10,556 --> 00:49:13,385
WILL: The pharmaceutical,
agriculture,
1087
00:49:13,428 --> 00:49:16,214
animal entertainment,
pet food industries,
1088
00:49:16,257 --> 00:49:18,259
these are all the industries
that were rallying
1089
00:49:18,303 --> 00:49:20,696
behind the Animal
Enterprise Terrorism Act
1090
00:49:20,740 --> 00:49:21,610
behind the scenes.
1091
00:49:21,654 --> 00:49:23,569
Last month, HLS was to be
1092
00:49:23,612 --> 00:49:25,614
listed off New York
Stock Exchange.
1093
00:49:25,658 --> 00:49:28,400
And the exchange
refused to go through
the scheduled listing
1094
00:49:28,443 --> 00:49:30,793
because of threats from SHAC.
1095
00:49:30,837 --> 00:49:34,406
JAKE: When you let
a bunch of grassroots,
obnoxious kids,
1096
00:49:34,449 --> 00:49:36,625
running around
in bandanas and masks,
1097
00:49:36,669 --> 00:49:39,019
determining who gets to trade
and not trade
1098
00:49:39,063 --> 00:49:40,499
on the New York Stock Exchange,
1099
00:49:40,542 --> 00:49:42,588
that makes people really,
really nervous,
1100
00:49:42,631 --> 00:49:44,938
the government really nervous, corporations really nervous.
1101
00:49:44,982 --> 00:49:45,895
And they wanted
something done.
1102
00:49:47,375 --> 00:49:49,725
WILL: The senate
passed the legislation
1103
00:49:49,769 --> 00:49:52,511
in the middle of the night, it was by a unanimous consent,
1104
00:49:52,554 --> 00:49:55,470
which means we have no idea
who actually voted for
1105
00:49:55,514 --> 00:49:57,211
or against the piece
of legislation.
1106
00:49:57,255 --> 00:49:58,996
On the House side,
1107
00:49:59,039 --> 00:50:00,519
it was passed
by an obscure
procedure called
1108
00:50:00,562 --> 00:50:02,042
"Suspension of the rules."
1109
00:50:02,086 --> 00:50:04,001
They decided
to use this procedure
1110
00:50:04,044 --> 00:50:05,915
to pass the terrorism law
1111
00:50:05,959 --> 00:50:08,222
because they could
usher it through quickly.
1112
00:50:08,266 --> 00:50:10,094
There were only
four or five law makers
1113
00:50:10,137 --> 00:50:12,226
in the room at the time.
1114
00:50:12,270 --> 00:50:16,056
KEVIN: The fear in the industry
that if Huntingdon fell,
1115
00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:18,102
any company could be next.
1116
00:50:18,145 --> 00:50:19,712
That was a legitimate fear
for them.
1117
00:50:19,755 --> 00:50:22,149
If we don't stop
this social movement,
1118
00:50:22,193 --> 00:50:23,411
who's gonna be next?
1119
00:50:23,455 --> 00:50:25,892
What will happen
when the activist move
1120
00:50:25,935 --> 00:50:28,851
to the timber industry
or the defense industry?
1121
00:50:28,895 --> 00:50:31,854
If this continues, the animal
extremists will have won
1122
00:50:31,898 --> 00:50:34,901
and the loser
will be humanity.
1123
00:50:34,944 --> 00:50:37,121
WILL: That is
the precise strategy
1124
00:50:37,164 --> 00:50:39,210
of these corporations
and industry groups,
1125
00:50:39,253 --> 00:50:42,039
to redirect the nature
of the conversation.
1126
00:51:26,996 --> 00:51:30,435
I never... imagined
1127
00:51:30,478 --> 00:51:33,394
that people would actually
be fearful for their lives.
1128
00:51:33,438 --> 00:51:35,918
And I think that
why they might have
felt that way
1129
00:51:35,962 --> 00:51:39,008
is because
of what the government
was whispering in their ears,
1130
00:51:39,052 --> 00:51:41,402
or what corporations
were telling them.
1131
00:51:48,801 --> 00:51:51,238
There were actually people that
were knocking on the doors,
1132
00:51:51,282 --> 00:51:52,761
telling people what to expect
1133
00:51:52,805 --> 00:51:54,023
when the Animal Rights
people come.
1134
00:52:04,512 --> 00:52:07,689
The Department of Justice
had a handout
1135
00:52:07,733 --> 00:52:10,605
that they gave
to companies targeted by SHAC.
1136
00:52:10,649 --> 00:52:13,042
It suggested that
we are capable of anything,
1137
00:52:13,086 --> 00:52:14,609
even shooting people.
1138
00:52:31,452 --> 00:52:34,063
"Had car windows broken."
That is not true.
1139
00:52:34,107 --> 00:52:35,761
"Tires are slashed."
That is true.
1140
00:52:35,804 --> 00:52:37,850
"Houses spray-painted."
That is correct.
1141
00:52:37,893 --> 00:52:41,767
"His wife is reportedly
on the brink
of a nervous breakdown..."
1142
00:53:33,775 --> 00:53:35,908
Let's get right to it.
1143
00:53:35,951 --> 00:53:39,825
The FBI says we've gotta
go after a domestic terrorist.
1144
00:53:39,868 --> 00:53:42,915
They say he's crossed the line from being a protester...
1145
00:53:45,265 --> 00:53:47,049
to being a terrorist.
1146
00:53:47,093 --> 00:53:48,703
Surveillance cameras caught
1147
00:53:48,747 --> 00:53:52,054
a shadowy figure approaching
Chiron's headquarters.
1148
00:53:52,098 --> 00:53:55,362
Cops say he was delivering
two bombs.
1149
00:53:55,406 --> 00:53:58,060
Luckily, no one was injured
in the blast.
1150
00:53:58,104 --> 00:53:59,497
ANDREA: A few days later,
1151
00:53:59,540 --> 00:54:01,455
a communique came out
1152
00:54:01,499 --> 00:54:05,111
written by an organization
called the Revolutionary Cells
taking credit
1153
00:54:05,154 --> 00:54:07,722
for the explosion at Chiron,
1154
00:54:07,766 --> 00:54:10,290
and accrediting it
to Chiron's involvement
1155
00:54:10,334 --> 00:54:12,510
and Huntingdon Life Sciences.
1156
00:54:12,553 --> 00:54:15,600
People breaking windows
wasn't something new.
1157
00:54:15,643 --> 00:54:18,385
But people placing bombs
under windows was something
1158
00:54:18,429 --> 00:54:21,475
that I don't think any of us
would have expected
at the time.
1159
00:54:29,875 --> 00:54:32,181
No, property destruction
is not violence.
1160
00:54:32,747 --> 00:54:34,358
It's sabotage.
1161
00:54:34,401 --> 00:54:36,273
I think
it's enormously important
1162
00:54:36,316 --> 00:54:39,580
to make a distinction
between damaged property
1163
00:54:39,624 --> 00:54:43,280
and damage to people
and animals.
1164
00:54:48,110 --> 00:54:50,852
The harm is just
not the same.
1165
00:54:50,896 --> 00:54:55,466
It's just not the same kind
of harm to break a window
1166
00:54:55,509 --> 00:54:58,077
as it is to break an arm.
1167
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,079
WILL: This was a bombing.
Someone could have died.
1168
00:55:00,122 --> 00:55:01,689
Someone could've been hurt.
1169
00:55:01,733 --> 00:55:04,170
Law enforcement was using
those talking points
1170
00:55:04,213 --> 00:55:06,868
to elevate the nature
of the perceived threat.
1171
00:55:06,912 --> 00:55:08,348
Today, we're announcing
the addition
1172
00:55:08,392 --> 00:55:11,917
Daniel Andreas San Diego
1173
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,615
to the FBI's
Most Wanted Terrorists list.
1174
00:55:14,659 --> 00:55:16,269
San Diego is involved
1175
00:55:16,313 --> 00:55:18,967
with the Stop Huntingdon
Animal Cruelty campaign.
1176
00:55:19,011 --> 00:55:20,708
WILL:
Daniel Andreas San Diego
1177
00:55:20,752 --> 00:55:23,232
was the first
domestic terrorist
1178
00:55:23,276 --> 00:55:26,627
to appear on this list
of FBI's Most Wanted
1179
00:55:26,671 --> 00:55:29,413
alongside Osama bin Laden
and others.
1180
00:55:29,456 --> 00:55:32,807
These are serious crimes,
but to put them on par
1181
00:55:32,851 --> 00:55:36,898
with the most deadly terrorist
attack in U.S. history,
1182
00:55:36,942 --> 00:55:38,987
I think, would be shocking
to a lot of people.
1183
00:55:47,082 --> 00:55:50,695
So this is the building
where I was living...
1184
00:55:50,738 --> 00:55:53,306
when I got arrested
by Homeland Security.
1185
00:55:53,350 --> 00:55:55,439
At 6:00 a.m., the phone rang
1186
00:55:55,482 --> 00:55:57,702
and it was my friend,
Aaron, on the line
1187
00:55:57,745 --> 00:56:01,401
and he said, "Hey,
don't panic."
1188
00:56:01,445 --> 00:56:03,403
"But there's been a couple
of arrests
1189
00:56:03,447 --> 00:56:04,709
around the country
this morning."
1190
00:56:04,752 --> 00:56:06,841
I woke up to hear
my mother yelling.
1191
00:56:06,885 --> 00:56:08,582
And I couldn't figure out
what was going on.
1192
00:56:08,626 --> 00:56:10,758
Few minutes later, there was
a pounding at my door.
1193
00:56:10,802 --> 00:56:12,281
I assumed it was the police
from the get-go
1194
00:56:12,325 --> 00:56:13,370
with someone knocking
like that.
1195
00:56:13,413 --> 00:56:14,849
20, 30 guys come through
the door
1196
00:56:14,893 --> 00:56:16,416
with guns and a helicopter.
1197
00:56:16,460 --> 00:56:18,462
And this is the hallway
where they all came in.
1198
00:56:18,505 --> 00:56:23,118
The thing that I remember
most distinctly
is an FBI agent,
1199
00:56:23,162 --> 00:56:27,166
uh, holding a gun
in my face, a big gun.
1200
00:56:27,209 --> 00:56:29,255
I had to hold Buddy's collar
1201
00:56:29,298 --> 00:56:31,605
with one hand and open
the door with the other,
1202
00:56:31,649 --> 00:56:35,130
and they're screaming
at me to put my hands up.
1203
00:56:35,174 --> 00:56:37,611
And to shut that...
that damn dog up
1204
00:56:37,655 --> 00:56:39,221
or they would shoot him.
1205
00:56:39,265 --> 00:56:43,312
They have, like, one FBI guy,
one ATF guy, one US Marshal.
1206
00:56:43,356 --> 00:56:47,447
Vests, face masks,
and a battering ram.
1207
00:56:47,491 --> 00:56:48,579
It was sort of impressive,
1208
00:56:48,622 --> 00:56:50,537
but it was also kind of,
like, shocking
1209
00:56:50,581 --> 00:56:53,366
that, "Really? That's how
important you think we are?"
1210
00:56:53,410 --> 00:56:55,237
"We have a warrant
for your arrest."
1211
00:56:55,281 --> 00:56:56,543
"On what charge?"
1212
00:56:56,587 --> 00:56:58,197
"Animal enterprise terrorism."
1213
00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:01,461
So, the FBI busts a militant
animal rights organization.
1214
00:57:01,505 --> 00:57:02,941
DOUG: Again,
it's all contained here
1215
00:57:02,984 --> 00:57:04,508
in this federal indictment.
1216
00:57:04,551 --> 00:57:07,728
Today, U.S. attorneys called
it a campaign of terrorism.
1217
00:57:07,772 --> 00:57:09,600
And their business,
quite frankly,
1218
00:57:09,643 --> 00:57:12,124
is thuggery and intimidation.
1219
00:57:12,167 --> 00:57:14,169
They advocate
physical assaults,
1220
00:57:14,213 --> 00:57:17,172
they advocate smashing windows
of people's homes,
1221
00:57:17,216 --> 00:57:20,175
specifically,
when they are at home.
1222
00:57:20,219 --> 00:57:22,569
WILL: Chris Christie
was relatively unknown,
1223
00:57:22,613 --> 00:57:24,615
he was trying to make
this bid for power.
1224
00:57:24,658 --> 00:57:27,226
This is still just
a couple of years
after September 11th.
1225
00:57:27,269 --> 00:57:29,271
If you wanna get ahead,
you need to show
1226
00:57:29,315 --> 00:57:30,838
that you're cracking down
on terrorism.
1227
00:57:30,882 --> 00:57:33,493
I'm in the process right now
of hiring eight new
1228
00:57:33,537 --> 00:57:35,887
assistant United States
attorneys who'll work
on terrorism.
1229
00:57:35,930 --> 00:57:38,542
The Justice Department
gave us one of
the largest allocations
1230
00:57:38,585 --> 00:57:41,109
of new terrorism Assistant
United States Attorneys
1231
00:57:41,153 --> 00:57:43,155
to be able to work
just on terrorism.
1232
00:57:43,198 --> 00:57:45,810
After that big
show of force,
1233
00:57:45,853 --> 00:57:48,639
all those agents,
all those guns,
1234
00:57:48,682 --> 00:57:50,989
all that energy,
all those resources,
1235
00:57:51,032 --> 00:57:52,556
and by noon, we were home.
1236
00:57:52,599 --> 00:57:54,862
The judge could
pretty clearly see
1237
00:57:54,906 --> 00:57:57,909
that I wasn't a danger
to the community or anything.
1238
00:57:57,952 --> 00:58:00,433
But these people
had just heard
the word, "Terrorism"
1239
00:58:00,477 --> 00:58:02,000
shouted over and over.
1240
00:58:02,043 --> 00:58:03,915
And they're retreating
into their apartments
1241
00:58:03,958 --> 00:58:07,353
and I could feel,
like, the fear.
1242
00:58:07,396 --> 00:58:08,789
What're we being arrested on?
1243
00:58:08,833 --> 00:58:10,922
Like, you know, this fear
that we were gonna get
1244
00:58:10,965 --> 00:58:13,707
the indictment, and read it,
and be like, "Oh, shit."
1245
00:58:13,751 --> 00:58:15,274
But instead,
I read the indictment
1246
00:58:15,317 --> 00:58:16,667
and I was relieved.
1247
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:18,712
I was like,
"This is their case, really?"
1248
00:58:18,756 --> 00:58:21,628
Their case is, "You posted
this on the Internet,"
which we knew.
1249
00:58:21,672 --> 00:58:24,370
KEVIN: We started learning
that our search warrant
1250
00:58:24,413 --> 00:58:26,938
for our home,
the wire intercepts
1251
00:58:26,981 --> 00:58:29,331
for our telephone were signed
1252
00:58:29,375 --> 00:58:31,072
by a judge in Minnesota?
1253
00:58:31,116 --> 00:58:34,380
Why was a judge in Minnesota,
an agent in Minnesota
1254
00:58:34,423 --> 00:58:36,904
in charge
of running this case?
1255
00:58:36,948 --> 00:58:38,558
If I had a tribute
1256
00:58:38,602 --> 00:58:42,170
why that SHAC case
became so important,
1257
00:58:42,214 --> 00:58:44,346
I think it's the Nexus
1258
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:48,176
that was made to the break-in
and animal release at the U.
1259
00:58:53,051 --> 00:58:54,574
Operation Trailmix was a plan
1260
00:58:54,618 --> 00:58:57,011
to break
the animal rights movement.
1261
00:58:57,055 --> 00:58:59,274
And they went about it
any way they could.
1262
00:58:59,318 --> 00:59:01,929
WILL: Operation Trailmix,
which was the code name
1263
00:59:01,973 --> 00:59:05,498
of what ultimately
became the SHAC investigation.
1264
00:59:05,542 --> 00:59:07,674
All has roots in trying
1265
00:59:07,718 --> 00:59:10,285
to go after the more covert
illegal elements
1266
00:59:10,329 --> 00:59:11,983
of animal rights movement,
1267
00:59:12,026 --> 00:59:14,638
after failing
to actually catch the people
1268
00:59:14,681 --> 00:59:17,162
that are responsible
for some of those crimes.
1269
00:59:17,205 --> 00:59:19,817
The FBI then changed
its focus again,
1270
00:59:19,860 --> 00:59:21,035
with the influence
1271
00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:22,646
of corporations
and cooperate lobbying.
1272
00:59:22,689 --> 00:59:25,039
They started focusing
on the above-ground elements
1273
00:59:25,083 --> 00:59:26,693
of the SHAC campaign.
1274
00:59:26,737 --> 00:59:28,826
RYAN:
The FBI established a plan
1275
00:59:28,869 --> 00:59:32,090
targeting the above ground
in order to eliminate
1276
00:59:32,133 --> 00:59:34,701
both the above
and underground.
1277
00:59:34,745 --> 00:59:36,442
JOSH: If you get
Kevin Kjonaas' head
1278
00:59:36,485 --> 00:59:39,053
up on a pike,
everyone knows
what that means.
1279
00:59:39,097 --> 00:59:40,272
They know who that is.
1280
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,102
These are the same assholes
1281
00:59:44,145 --> 00:59:47,584
who raided my apartment
because I had the temerity
1282
00:59:47,627 --> 00:59:49,934
to speak up
in support of people
1283
00:59:49,977 --> 00:59:52,066
that would break the law
to help animals.
1284
00:59:53,154 --> 00:59:56,331
It's the same people,
it never stopped.
1285
01:00:08,169 --> 01:00:10,607
MAN: Because they are not
concerned with rights,
1286
01:00:10,650 --> 01:00:12,783
they are concerned
with the bottom line.
1287
01:00:12,826 --> 01:00:15,612
WILL: As an author
and a storyteller,
1288
01:00:15,655 --> 01:00:18,963
I had to be in awe
of the skill of the prosecution
1289
01:00:19,006 --> 01:00:22,836
in weaving this narrative
in front of the courtroom.
1290
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,361
I can already tell,
this is gonna make me angry.
1291
01:00:27,319 --> 01:00:28,929
All right.
1292
01:00:28,973 --> 01:00:31,192
The court says,
"Counsel are ready
1293
01:00:31,236 --> 01:00:33,673
for opening statements,
Mr. McKenna."
1294
01:00:33,717 --> 01:00:35,588
LAUREN: "If it pleases
the court, Your Honor
1295
01:00:35,632 --> 01:00:38,765
Counsel, ladies and gentlemen
of the jury. On a summer day
1296
01:00:38,809 --> 01:00:40,549
in suburban Dallas..."
1297
01:00:41,594 --> 01:00:43,204
Sorry.
1298
01:00:43,248 --> 01:00:45,119
ANDY: "On a summer day
in suburban Dallas, Texas,
1299
01:00:45,163 --> 01:00:48,340
Sally Dillenback, an employee
with Marsh Incorporated,
1300
01:00:48,383 --> 01:00:50,298
was home with her young son."
1301
01:00:54,302 --> 01:00:55,695
"...of the house
to answer the door."
1302
01:00:55,739 --> 01:00:58,002
"When she got to the door,
she saw her young son
1303
01:00:58,045 --> 01:00:59,960
cowering behind the door
with a kitchen knife.
1304
01:01:02,571 --> 01:01:04,399
He was cowering
behind the door that day,
1305
01:01:04,443 --> 01:01:05,923
ladies and gentlemen
of the jury,
1306
01:01:05,966 --> 01:01:08,142
because he thought
that the animal people
1307
01:01:08,186 --> 01:01:09,361
were coming to get him."
1308
01:01:12,407 --> 01:01:14,845
LAUREN: "Because you see,
the animal people had been in his house before."
1309
01:01:14,888 --> 01:01:16,368
"They had plastered his house
1310
01:01:16,411 --> 01:01:17,761
with pictures
of mutilated puppies
1311
01:01:17,804 --> 01:01:20,024
and they had been found
on his property at night
1312
01:01:20,067 --> 01:01:21,765
and they held rallies
outside his house
1313
01:01:21,808 --> 01:01:23,114
where they shouted
through bullhorns
1314
01:01:23,157 --> 01:01:24,681
that his mother
was a puppy killer."
1315
01:01:24,724 --> 01:01:26,204
"So when the doorbell
rang that day,
1316
01:01:26,247 --> 01:01:27,379
the little boy was scared."
1317
01:01:27,422 --> 01:01:28,510
"And when his mother saw
1318
01:01:28,554 --> 01:01:30,121
her son that way,
she was scared too."
1319
01:01:34,603 --> 01:01:36,518
"The animal people
were coming."
1320
01:01:36,562 --> 01:01:39,043
I can't read this out loud.
I can't. It disgusts me.
1321
01:01:39,608 --> 01:01:41,393
MAN: Why?
1322
01:01:41,436 --> 01:01:44,570
Because it's all
smoke and mirrors.
1323
01:01:44,613 --> 01:01:47,442
I didn't know of the story,
but once he told the story,
1324
01:01:47,486 --> 01:01:50,315
I was like,
"This is pretty terrible."
1325
01:01:50,358 --> 01:01:52,752
And I can only imagine
that the jury thinks
it's terrible too.
1326
01:01:52,796 --> 01:01:57,191
Obviously, I don't want
a child to be scared.
1327
01:01:57,235 --> 01:01:59,280
I don't want a child
to be at a point
1328
01:01:59,324 --> 01:02:02,544
where he's cowering
behind the door with a knife.
1329
01:02:02,588 --> 01:02:06,374
Um, neither myself or any
of my co-defendants
1330
01:02:06,418 --> 01:02:10,248
had ever protested
at Sally Dillenback's house.
1331
01:02:10,291 --> 01:02:13,947
This was the first
of a long line of examples
1332
01:02:13,991 --> 01:02:17,951
of us being put on trial
for other people's actions.
1333
01:02:17,995 --> 01:02:20,954
Actions which we had
no foreknowledge of,
1334
01:02:20,998 --> 01:02:23,087
and no part
in the planning of.
1335
01:02:23,130 --> 01:02:25,480
ANDY: A lot of these new
activist movements
1336
01:02:25,524 --> 01:02:26,786
are totally decentralized.
1337
01:02:26,830 --> 01:02:29,180
There is no leader
to go after.
1338
01:02:29,223 --> 01:02:30,790
That structure is something
1339
01:02:30,834 --> 01:02:32,705
that doesn't make any sense
to the government.
1340
01:02:32,749 --> 01:02:34,751
They can't really step inside
someone's head and understand
1341
01:02:34,794 --> 01:02:37,057
that some of these issues
tear them up at night.
1342
01:02:37,101 --> 01:02:39,146
And they don't feel good
about themselves,
1343
01:02:39,190 --> 01:02:40,713
unless they go
and do something.
1344
01:02:40,757 --> 01:02:42,846
JAKE: They just can't accept
that idea
1345
01:02:42,889 --> 01:02:45,544
of people
working autonomously,
1346
01:02:45,587 --> 01:02:47,372
and I think
that blows their mind
1347
01:02:47,415 --> 01:02:49,330
if there's not someone
in control or in charge.
1348
01:02:49,374 --> 01:02:51,550
"Be careful
because while the defendants
1349
01:02:51,593 --> 01:02:53,378
were at some
of the demonstrations,
1350
01:02:53,421 --> 01:02:55,423
they weren't always
at all of them."
1351
01:03:01,952 --> 01:03:05,564
The prosecutor's argument
is that our speeches
1352
01:03:05,607 --> 01:03:08,480
essentially amount
to incitement.
1353
01:03:08,523 --> 01:03:12,397
And that our speeches
are part of this conspiracy,
1354
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,747
perhaps with people
we don't know,
1355
01:03:14,791 --> 01:03:18,142
to get them
to do our bidding
of illegal activities.
1356
01:03:18,185 --> 01:03:19,926
"Bad things happen,
ladies and gentlemen.
1357
01:03:19,970 --> 01:03:21,493
Bad things happen."
1358
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:23,800
No one disputes that.
1359
01:03:24,975 --> 01:03:26,541
The question is,
why are the people
1360
01:03:26,585 --> 01:03:28,717
who didn't commit
the bad things on trial?
1361
01:03:31,764 --> 01:03:34,332
WILL: Right out of the gate,
the fact that the prosecution
1362
01:03:34,375 --> 01:03:37,422
put Brian Cass on the stand
and were talking
1363
01:03:37,465 --> 01:03:40,381
about violence against
Huntingdon Life Sciences
1364
01:03:40,425 --> 01:03:43,123
in the UK and trying to bring
that into a U.S. courtroom
1365
01:03:43,167 --> 01:03:45,169
was the signal of where
everything was gonna go.
1366
01:03:45,212 --> 01:03:47,258
KEVIN: As the managing director
of the lab,
1367
01:03:47,301 --> 01:03:51,305
somebody in England had beat
him up on his doorstep.
1368
01:03:51,349 --> 01:03:53,090
JOSH: Three people
assaulted him
1369
01:03:53,133 --> 01:03:55,266
and he was hit in the head
with a stick.
1370
01:03:55,309 --> 01:03:59,052
His experience happened
on another continent
1371
01:03:59,096 --> 01:04:02,577
at the time that the supposed
United States conspiracy
1372
01:04:02,621 --> 01:04:03,970
hadn't even began.
1373
01:04:04,014 --> 01:04:07,931
What possible relevance
could his testimony have?
1374
01:04:07,974 --> 01:04:09,933
He was put on the stand
to ... the trial
1375
01:04:09,976 --> 01:04:11,804
to hurt the defendants.
1376
01:04:11,848 --> 01:04:12,936
I mean,
if I was the prosecutor,
1377
01:04:12,979 --> 01:04:14,633
I'd say "I would've
put him on first."
1378
01:04:14,676 --> 01:04:17,636
JOSH: We have a prosecutor
who wants to fight dirty,
1379
01:04:17,679 --> 01:04:21,031
who's not going to run a case
based on the legality
1380
01:04:21,074 --> 01:04:23,598
of the Huntingdon
Life Sciences campaign,
1381
01:04:23,642 --> 01:04:25,252
but instead is going
to just attempt
1382
01:04:25,296 --> 01:04:26,863
to prejudice the jury
against us.
1383
01:04:28,647 --> 01:04:30,736
LAUREN: The prosecution
strategy was primarily
1384
01:04:30,779 --> 01:04:32,607
to put people on the stand
1385
01:04:32,651 --> 01:04:34,174
to read printouts
of our website
1386
01:04:34,218 --> 01:04:36,742
and then say,
"I was so scared."
1387
01:04:36,785 --> 01:04:40,354
WILL: They were brilliant
in using the witnesses
1388
01:04:40,398 --> 01:04:41,921
to concoct a story
1389
01:04:41,965 --> 01:04:44,010
that wasn't true to reality.
1390
01:04:44,054 --> 01:04:47,361
I think that there were a lot
of people who got up there
1391
01:04:47,405 --> 01:04:50,147
during that, you know,
"parade of victims"
1392
01:04:50,190 --> 01:04:53,063
that weren't
entirely sincere.
1393
01:04:53,106 --> 01:04:55,979
Come on, show us.
Show yourself!
1394
01:04:58,503 --> 01:05:00,592
Come outside!
1395
01:05:00,635 --> 01:05:02,768
LAUREN:
You fucking coward!
1396
01:05:04,030 --> 01:05:06,467
Get out of my...
Get out of my house!
1397
01:05:09,340 --> 01:05:11,864
MAN: You are moving out
of our neighborhood!
That's what.
1398
01:05:14,301 --> 01:05:15,868
This is not
your neighborhood!
1399
01:05:15,912 --> 01:05:17,565
-This is our
fucking neighborhood!
-Where do you live?
1400
01:05:17,609 --> 01:05:20,177
JAKE: They got kinda rowdy.
Eventually, the cops came
1401
01:05:20,220 --> 01:05:21,787
and they arrested them
for trespassing,
1402
01:05:21,830 --> 01:05:23,397
which rightfully so,
if they were trespassing,
1403
01:05:23,441 --> 01:05:24,659
they should be arrested
for it.
1404
01:05:24,703 --> 01:05:26,835
But she gets up on the stand
during the trial
1405
01:05:26,879 --> 01:05:29,099
and she gets up there
all teary eyed.
1406
01:05:29,142 --> 01:05:31,623
"These people came and I was
at home with my child.
1407
01:05:31,666 --> 01:05:34,278
He was upstairs taking
a nap, home from school."
1408
01:05:34,321 --> 01:05:36,410
And they show the video,
and there's Miss...
1409
01:05:36,454 --> 01:05:38,021
and she's laughing
and joking
1410
01:05:38,064 --> 01:05:40,023
and then her son,
who's home from school,
1411
01:05:40,066 --> 01:05:42,590
he's like a 19-year-old kid
that's home from college.
1412
01:05:42,634 --> 01:05:44,766
It's the way that
they kinda took this
and misconstrued it
1413
01:05:44,810 --> 01:05:47,639
to make it seem, like,
we're these thugs out there
1414
01:05:47,682 --> 01:05:50,076
trying to, like, you know,
kill little kids.
1415
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:52,513
When really, it's just...
It just wasn't the case.
1416
01:05:54,646 --> 01:05:56,996
ATTORNEY: And you have
how many children?
1417
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:58,867
-Three.
-What are their names?
1418
01:06:01,566 --> 01:06:03,655
I'm not gonna provide
that information.
1419
01:06:03,698 --> 01:06:06,049
Are you instructing her
not to answer that question?
1420
01:06:06,092 --> 01:06:07,920
I'm not answering
that question.
1421
01:06:07,964 --> 01:06:09,704
ATTORNEY: She does not want
her children threatened
1422
01:06:09,748 --> 01:06:12,185
and if she is reluctant
to provide that information,
1423
01:06:12,229 --> 01:06:13,534
I certainly understand why
1424
01:06:13,578 --> 01:06:14,840
and I think the court
will agree.
1425
01:06:14,883 --> 01:06:16,929
KEVIN: People really honed in
on that.
1426
01:06:16,973 --> 01:06:18,452
Now I'm not saying
that's something
1427
01:06:18,496 --> 01:06:21,803
I'm personally proud of
or I would participate in
1428
01:06:21,847 --> 01:06:25,720
or at the time, I thought
was a good idea. But again...
1429
01:06:25,764 --> 01:06:28,854
it wasn't that the kid
was a target at the campaign.
1430
01:06:28,897 --> 01:06:31,291
Maybe that kind of stuff
should be censored,
1431
01:06:31,335 --> 01:06:34,468
but at the time, everything
was just put up automatically.
1432
01:06:37,776 --> 01:06:40,387
OREN: "We know
where your kids live,
we know their names."
1433
01:06:40,431 --> 01:06:42,433
That is extreme.
Uh, I don't think
1434
01:06:42,476 --> 01:06:45,479
that people are debating
whether that's extreme rhetoric
or not.
1435
01:06:45,523 --> 01:06:48,482
Whether it's protected speech,
whether that's legal.
1436
01:06:48,526 --> 01:06:51,224
We have not had very restful
nights' sleep.
1437
01:06:51,268 --> 01:06:53,313
We don't know
who might be lurking out
1438
01:06:53,357 --> 01:06:54,749
somewhere in our yard.
1439
01:06:54,793 --> 01:06:57,230
It's caused mental anguish
with my children
1440
01:06:57,274 --> 01:06:59,450
who don't sleep well
through the night.
1441
01:06:59,493 --> 01:07:02,670
We probably didn't realize
what the impact
1442
01:07:02,714 --> 01:07:07,675
of this train of individuals
was gonna have on the jury.
1443
01:07:07,719 --> 01:07:11,462
They saw this conduct
that to them was intolerable.
1444
01:07:11,505 --> 01:07:15,118
Criminal or not, I'm not sure
they cared, it was intolerable.
1445
01:07:15,161 --> 01:07:18,947
The jury felt the need
for someone to be prosecuted
1446
01:07:18,991 --> 01:07:20,645
for what was happening
around the country
1447
01:07:20,688 --> 01:07:22,777
and we were the only people
the government was providing.
1448
01:07:23,778 --> 01:07:25,693
KEVIN: I'm here
with Josh Harper,
1449
01:07:25,737 --> 01:07:27,913
co-defendant extraordinaire.
1450
01:07:27,956 --> 01:07:29,436
And he's off
to the bathroom.
1451
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:31,917
Josh spends a lot of time
in the bathroom.
1452
01:07:33,353 --> 01:07:36,139
Here's the support group
for the SHAC seven.
1453
01:07:36,182 --> 01:07:38,097
-Minus the olive oil.
1454
01:07:38,141 --> 01:07:39,751
You know, I don't know
how much money
1455
01:07:39,794 --> 01:07:43,102
I'm gonna have
to spend in therapy
in the years to come.
1456
01:07:43,146 --> 01:07:45,800
Or how many AA meetings
I'm gonna have to go to,
1457
01:07:45,844 --> 01:07:47,324
because by the time
this case is done,
1458
01:07:47,367 --> 01:07:49,717
I will be
a full-fledged alcoholic.
1459
01:07:49,761 --> 01:07:51,241
-MAN: I understand.
-Yeah.
1460
01:07:52,459 --> 01:07:53,808
AARON: The last
two days in court
1461
01:07:53,852 --> 01:07:55,375
have been pretty grueling.
1462
01:07:55,419 --> 01:07:59,249
The whole Chiron incident
was brought up.
1463
01:07:59,292 --> 01:08:03,166
SHAC is basically, kind of,
being, uh, charged,
1464
01:08:03,209 --> 01:08:05,081
I guess you could say,
with this.
1465
01:08:06,691 --> 01:08:09,085
You know, I feel like...
1466
01:08:09,128 --> 01:08:11,783
I... I had a part
1467
01:08:11,826 --> 01:08:15,656
in having this brought up
in trial in such a big way.
1468
01:08:15,700 --> 01:08:17,702
REPORTER: The main suspect
in the Chiron bombing,
1469
01:08:17,745 --> 01:08:19,791
Daniel San Diego
was still at large,
1470
01:08:19,834 --> 01:08:22,489
but the FBI says
it was a link between Kjonaas
1471
01:08:22,533 --> 01:08:24,404
that assisted
in the investigation.
1472
01:08:24,448 --> 01:08:26,580
The FBI made a claim
that there was a phone call
1473
01:08:26,624 --> 01:08:29,409
from Kevin to Andreas the day
of the Chiron incident.
1474
01:08:29,453 --> 01:08:32,369
WILL: They took whatever little bits of information they could,
1475
01:08:32,412 --> 01:08:34,327
such as the phone call
registers
1476
01:08:34,371 --> 01:08:37,548
between the SHAC house
and a phone number
1477
01:08:37,591 --> 01:08:40,116
they had connected
to Daniel Andreas San Diego.
1478
01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:41,813
We do have evidence
1479
01:08:41,856 --> 01:08:44,598
that Mr. San Diego
and Mr. Kjonaas
1480
01:08:44,642 --> 01:08:47,079
were in communication
with one another.
1481
01:08:47,123 --> 01:08:48,428
I made that phone call.
1482
01:08:48,472 --> 01:08:51,083
I made a call
to half a dozen people
1483
01:08:51,127 --> 01:08:54,130
in the Bay Area that day
asking them to record
the news.
1484
01:08:54,173 --> 01:08:55,827
Somebody said,
"Call Andreas."
1485
01:08:55,870 --> 01:08:58,046
Andreas answered the phone,
I talked to him
1486
01:08:58,090 --> 01:09:00,179
and I asked him
to record the news.
1487
01:09:00,223 --> 01:09:02,181
That's the content
of that phone call.
1488
01:09:07,012 --> 01:09:09,057
Here we are,
1489
01:09:09,101 --> 01:09:11,712
basically nine days
into the case and, uh,
1490
01:09:11,756 --> 01:09:14,454
the prosecution rests and, uh, now it's the defense's turn.
1491
01:09:14,498 --> 01:09:17,544
So, uh, let's hope
for a good defense strategy.
1492
01:09:17,588 --> 01:09:18,893
That's it.
1493
01:09:22,549 --> 01:09:24,334
JOSH: This was a case
that the prosecution
1494
01:09:24,377 --> 01:09:27,598
had been immersed in
for years and years.
1495
01:09:27,641 --> 01:09:31,732
And they knew every detail
and how to bend every detail.
1496
01:09:31,776 --> 01:09:35,214
Um, and meanwhile,
our attorneys
didn't even know
1497
01:09:35,258 --> 01:09:37,303
the names of some
of the major players.
1498
01:09:37,347 --> 01:09:39,218
At one point
during opening statements,
1499
01:09:39,262 --> 01:09:42,787
I looked over at my attorney
and he's scribbling
these notes.
1500
01:09:42,830 --> 01:09:44,397
And I leaned over
and I was like,
1501
01:09:44,441 --> 01:09:48,401
"Jim, you're not writing
your opening right now,
are you?"
1502
01:09:48,445 --> 01:09:52,840
And he looked at me
and he said,
"It's only an opening."
1503
01:09:52,884 --> 01:09:57,018
You have this naive faith
in the system of justice,
1504
01:09:57,062 --> 01:10:00,761
it doesn't exist.
It's so set
against the defense
1505
01:10:00,805 --> 01:10:03,503
and some favor
of the prosecution.
1506
01:10:03,547 --> 01:10:07,246
Judge Thompson granted
the prosecution's request
1507
01:10:07,290 --> 01:10:08,508
that we couldn't talk
1508
01:10:08,552 --> 01:10:10,684
about what happened
inside of Huntingdon.
1509
01:10:12,730 --> 01:10:14,862
"That might prejudice
the jury."
1510
01:10:14,906 --> 01:10:17,474
For most people,
standing outside
1511
01:10:17,517 --> 01:10:20,041
of someone's home
in the middle of the night,
1512
01:10:20,085 --> 01:10:22,740
yelling and screaming
and holding placards,
1513
01:10:22,783 --> 01:10:25,090
it seems
pretty unreasonable.
1514
01:10:25,133 --> 01:10:28,093
I think if people got
that full narrative,
1515
01:10:28,136 --> 01:10:30,400
they'd understand
that what's going on there,
1516
01:10:30,443 --> 01:10:32,053
it needs to be challenged.
1517
01:10:32,097 --> 01:10:35,535
And that, it needs
to be challenged with force.
1518
01:10:35,579 --> 01:10:39,322
JOSH: The reason
that we would fight so hard
1519
01:10:39,365 --> 01:10:42,107
for a being that has nothing
to do with you,
1520
01:10:42,150 --> 01:10:45,284
a beagle or a cat
or a horse
1521
01:10:45,328 --> 01:10:47,895
or a cow
that you've never met,
1522
01:10:47,939 --> 01:10:49,767
that in some cases,
you've never seen
1523
01:10:49,810 --> 01:10:51,812
and never will, um...
1524
01:10:52,944 --> 01:10:56,295
you've got to have
an awful lot of heart.
1525
01:10:56,339 --> 01:10:59,516
Myself and my co-defendants
1526
01:10:59,559 --> 01:11:02,910
were intelligent,
caring people,
1527
01:11:02,954 --> 01:11:05,304
um, who had been
so distraught
1528
01:11:05,348 --> 01:11:07,219
over what they'd seen
happening inside
1529
01:11:07,263 --> 01:11:09,177
of Huntingdon Life Sciences,
1530
01:11:09,221 --> 01:11:11,092
that they had been moved
to take action.
1531
01:11:11,136 --> 01:11:14,748
The prosecution was able
to talk about animal testing
1532
01:11:14,792 --> 01:11:17,925
and they used phrases like,
"Life-saving research."
1533
01:11:17,969 --> 01:11:21,233
"Huntingdon Life Sciences
is saving children's lives."
1534
01:11:21,277 --> 01:11:24,323
There's no evidence
that's allowed to refute that.
1535
01:11:24,367 --> 01:11:26,282
We'll fight this
and we'll make this case
1536
01:11:26,325 --> 01:11:29,676
as much about Huntingdon
and animal cruelty
1537
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:31,591
as it is about
the First Amendment.
1538
01:11:31,635 --> 01:11:34,115
JOSH: Every step of the way,
1539
01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:36,204
the judge refused to allow it
in the courtroom.
1540
01:11:36,248 --> 01:11:39,425
And our case is just
about a bunch of unruly kids
1541
01:11:39,469 --> 01:11:41,558
who for some reason or another,
the jury doesn't know
1542
01:11:41,601 --> 01:11:42,994
because we can't tell them,
1543
01:11:43,037 --> 01:11:45,083
are running around
neighborhoods with signs
1544
01:11:45,126 --> 01:11:47,999
and blowhorns,
and being belligerent.
1545
01:11:48,042 --> 01:11:51,481
There's no context
to anything.
1546
01:11:51,524 --> 01:11:54,005
You'd think this isn't about
a political movement at all.
1547
01:11:54,048 --> 01:11:57,356
It's just a bunch of kids
with nothing better to do.
1548
01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,967
'Cause the jury will never hear
why we did it.
1549
01:12:58,156 --> 01:12:59,766
MAN: Open your mouth.
1550
01:13:02,465 --> 01:13:04,945
You wanna play?
Let's fucking play.
1551
01:13:11,822 --> 01:13:14,302
Let's fucking dance, bitch.
1552
01:13:14,346 --> 01:13:16,348
WOMAN: God, there's, like,
no skin here...
1553
01:13:16,392 --> 01:13:18,611
-MAN: All I could give you.
-WOMAN: I know.
1554
01:13:52,384 --> 01:13:54,778
JOSH: The phrase
that I always use is that,
1555
01:13:54,821 --> 01:13:57,955
"You see the train coming,
but it hits you anyway."
1556
01:13:57,998 --> 01:14:00,174
Judge asked if they had
their verdict.
1557
01:14:01,567 --> 01:14:03,613
JOSH: They just went down
the list and it was,
1558
01:14:03,656 --> 01:14:05,745
"Guilty as charged."
"Guilty as charged."
1559
01:14:05,789 --> 01:14:07,355
"Guilty as charged."
1560
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,010
Every defendant, every count.
1561
01:14:10,054 --> 01:14:11,272
"Guilty, guilty."
1562
01:14:11,316 --> 01:14:12,839
"How do you find
the defendants?" "Guilty."
1563
01:14:12,883 --> 01:14:13,840
"How do you find
the defendants?"
1564
01:14:13,884 --> 01:14:15,494
"Guilty, guilty, guilty."
1565
01:14:15,538 --> 01:14:17,061
Like, "Holy crap."
1566
01:14:17,104 --> 01:14:19,498
I remember my lawyer
put his hand on my shoulder
1567
01:14:19,542 --> 01:14:21,369
and he said, "You can still go
to law school."
1568
01:14:21,413 --> 01:14:24,590
And I wasn't
crying over that,
I was so...
1569
01:14:24,634 --> 01:14:26,505
stunned. I didn't know
what else to do
1570
01:14:26,549 --> 01:14:29,595
other than cry.
I was just floored.
1571
01:14:31,292 --> 01:14:34,513
I was always get emotionally
committed to my clients.
1572
01:14:35,122 --> 01:14:36,167
Um...
1573
01:14:38,386 --> 01:14:40,171
Andy, I guess
a little more so.
1574
01:14:45,481 --> 01:14:49,659
It hurt everybody
to see these kids
be prosecuted.
1575
01:15:14,597 --> 01:15:16,816
CHRISTOPHER: In my seven years
as United States Attorney,
1576
01:15:16,860 --> 01:15:19,776
we were equal opportunity
prosecutors.
1577
01:15:19,819 --> 01:15:23,997
Believe me, I know how to
hold people accountable.
1578
01:15:24,041 --> 01:15:25,521
BOB: Putting these people
in jail
1579
01:15:25,564 --> 01:15:27,000
was not what the case
was all about.
1580
01:15:28,045 --> 01:15:29,307
It was about
1581
01:15:29,350 --> 01:15:31,570
appeasing the appropriate
business interests
1582
01:15:31,614 --> 01:15:33,398
and making a statement.
1583
01:15:33,441 --> 01:15:35,748
It sent a very clear
message to, uh,
1584
01:15:35,792 --> 01:15:37,794
the pharmaceutical
and biomedical industry
1585
01:15:37,837 --> 01:15:40,057
of having their back
and earning their support.
1586
01:15:40,100 --> 01:15:42,494
I, enthusiastically,
1587
01:15:42,538 --> 01:15:43,626
declare my candidacy
1588
01:15:43,669 --> 01:15:45,410
for governor of the state
of New Jersey.
1589
01:15:53,070 --> 01:15:55,812
WILL: The rhetoric
from prosecutors
during the trial
1590
01:15:55,855 --> 01:15:58,597
was that, this was
a campaign of lawlessness
1591
01:15:58,641 --> 01:16:01,165
and the reality
was very far from that.
1592
01:16:01,208 --> 01:16:03,254
There was no direct evidence
1593
01:16:03,297 --> 01:16:05,517
of any unlawful conduct.
1594
01:16:05,561 --> 01:16:06,953
So, now you're in the area
1595
01:16:06,997 --> 01:16:10,391
of either inciting
unlawful conduct,
1596
01:16:10,435 --> 01:16:14,526
or conspiring to commit
unlawful conduct.
1597
01:16:14,570 --> 01:16:17,181
When you mix that stew up
1598
01:16:17,224 --> 01:16:20,967
and you have
a zealous prosecution,
1599
01:16:21,011 --> 01:16:23,404
you have created
a time bomb
1600
01:16:23,448 --> 01:16:25,624
as far as the punishment
1601
01:16:25,668 --> 01:16:27,974
of First Amendment
activity is concerned.
1602
01:16:29,019 --> 01:16:30,629
PAUL: This was a prosecution
1603
01:16:30,673 --> 01:16:32,500
of a political movement,
1604
01:16:32,544 --> 01:16:34,894
simply by using the charge
of conspiracy,
1605
01:16:34,938 --> 01:16:38,245
that envelops both criminal
and protected activity.
1606
01:16:38,289 --> 01:16:42,119
A lot of the speech
that ends up being protected
takes place in the abstract.
1607
01:16:42,162 --> 01:16:44,730
People advocate something.
Nothing happens.
1608
01:16:44,774 --> 01:16:47,298
The question is,
can the First Amendment
really do its job
1609
01:16:47,341 --> 01:16:49,256
when you're engaging
an effective advocacy,
1610
01:16:49,300 --> 01:16:51,955
and, I mean, effective
in a very particular way,
1611
01:16:51,998 --> 01:16:55,306
which is, I am advocating
that something should happen,
1612
01:16:55,349 --> 01:16:58,265
and then, someone agrees
with me and makes it happen.
1613
01:16:58,309 --> 01:17:00,659
I mean, can the First Amendment
handle that?
1614
01:17:00,703 --> 01:17:02,618
Your gut responds to speech.
1615
01:17:02,661 --> 01:17:04,576
Look at all these
fucking police
1616
01:17:04,620 --> 01:17:06,970
that you need
to protect you
from this campaign.
1617
01:17:08,754 --> 01:17:10,321
That gut feeling that,
"Oh, God,
1618
01:17:11,191 --> 01:17:12,628
this is not okay."
1619
01:17:12,671 --> 01:17:14,978
That's not the measure
of First Amendment protection,
1620
01:17:15,021 --> 01:17:18,677
that's what the First Amendment
is protecting against.
1621
01:17:18,721 --> 01:17:22,072
MAN: The appeal focused on
the right of the defendants
1622
01:17:22,115 --> 01:17:23,769
to say what they said.
1623
01:17:23,813 --> 01:17:24,901
On paper,
1624
01:17:24,944 --> 01:17:26,642
the case was so strong.
1625
01:17:26,685 --> 01:17:29,296
The government's argumentation
was so weak,
1626
01:17:29,340 --> 01:17:30,515
this might turn around.
1627
01:17:33,474 --> 01:17:36,129
In the courtroom
during the appeal,
1628
01:17:36,173 --> 01:17:37,522
it quickly appeared that
1629
01:17:37,565 --> 01:17:38,697
things were gonna be
much the same
1630
01:17:38,741 --> 01:17:40,699
as they were
at the trial level.
1631
01:17:40,743 --> 01:17:42,179
Defense tried to talk about
1632
01:17:42,222 --> 01:17:43,876
the true nature
of the campaign
1633
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:45,704
and the judges
would interrupt.
1634
01:17:45,748 --> 01:17:49,316
This was outlandish talk,
but it's just talk.
1635
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:50,622
And then, the judges
would interrupt.
1636
01:17:50,666 --> 01:17:52,624
One of the judges
of the Third Circuit,
1637
01:17:52,668 --> 01:17:55,235
sort of, angrily, like, got up
out of his chair...
1638
01:17:55,279 --> 01:17:58,021
"Do you have children, sir?
Do you have children?"
1639
01:17:58,064 --> 01:18:00,763
"Yes, Your Honor.
I do have children.
1640
01:18:00,806 --> 01:18:03,417
I don't think that's relevant
to the issue here."
1641
01:18:03,461 --> 01:18:06,072
They already know
how they're gonna decide.
1642
01:18:06,116 --> 01:18:10,250
The opinion itself
just reeked of prejudice.
1643
01:18:10,294 --> 01:18:11,295
MATTHEW:
They write, quote...
1644
01:18:16,692 --> 01:18:19,129
First off, the bombing
was a smoke bomb.
1645
01:18:19,172 --> 01:18:21,784
Certainly still illegal,
but a smoke bomb.
1646
01:18:21,827 --> 01:18:24,047
Per personal participation
that they quote,
1647
01:18:24,090 --> 01:18:26,049
was heard calling
into a radio station.
1648
01:18:42,848 --> 01:18:46,156
That's not really the kind
of personal involvement
1649
01:18:46,199 --> 01:18:48,245
in a bombing
that is illegal.
1650
01:18:48,288 --> 01:18:50,551
In fact, it's the kind of
personal involvement
1651
01:18:50,595 --> 01:18:53,467
in a bombing, that's protected
by the First Amendment.
1652
01:18:53,511 --> 01:18:55,774
MATTHEW: Mr. Harper,
and now quoting,
1653
01:18:55,818 --> 01:18:58,211
"Coordinated the SHAC campaign
in Seattle.
1654
01:18:58,255 --> 01:18:59,822
Gave speeches advocating
1655
01:18:59,865 --> 01:19:01,388
electronic civil
disobedience."
1656
01:19:01,432 --> 01:19:03,347
"He visited
a Deloitte & Touche office
1657
01:19:03,390 --> 01:19:05,610
during which, it appears,
he did nothing illegal."
1658
01:19:05,653 --> 01:19:08,352
MATTHEW:
"Called Kjonaas to express
his surprise and pleasure
1659
01:19:08,395 --> 01:19:09,788
with SHAC's successes."
1660
01:19:09,832 --> 01:19:11,268
"He wrote an editorial."
1661
01:19:11,311 --> 01:19:12,573
"Harper's personal conduct
1662
01:19:12,617 --> 01:19:15,185
does not cross the line
of illegality.
1663
01:19:15,228 --> 01:19:17,927
To punish him simply
on the basis
of his political speeches
1664
01:19:17,970 --> 01:19:20,320
would run afoul
of the constitution."
1665
01:19:20,364 --> 01:19:22,583
The analysis
should've ended there.
1666
01:19:22,627 --> 01:19:24,368
But the Third Circuit
then went on
1667
01:19:24,411 --> 01:19:26,849
to say that that conduct
1668
01:19:26,892 --> 01:19:29,416
showed that he was part
of the conspiracy.
1669
01:19:29,460 --> 01:19:31,767
How do you, on the one hand,
say, outright,
1670
01:19:31,810 --> 01:19:34,204
"That speech
is constitutionally protected."
1671
01:19:34,247 --> 01:19:36,336
And then, at the very next
sentence say,
1672
01:19:36,380 --> 01:19:39,209
"That speech is enough
to get you convicted
for terrorism."
1673
01:20:07,411 --> 01:20:08,891
-Oh, yeah.
1674
01:20:10,893 --> 01:20:13,591
I'm not taking anything more
than two sweatshirts...
1675
01:20:14,766 --> 01:20:17,856
five pairs
of white underwear.
1676
01:20:17,900 --> 01:20:20,337
Pack 'em all in
under my jeans tomorrow.
1677
01:20:20,380 --> 01:20:22,600
But aside from that,
I'm not taking anything else.
1678
01:20:23,819 --> 01:20:25,037
WOMAN: Your name?
1679
01:20:25,081 --> 01:20:26,473
My name is Jake Conroy.
1680
01:20:29,128 --> 01:20:30,303
And?
1681
01:20:31,522 --> 01:20:33,698
-That's my whole name.
1682
01:20:33,741 --> 01:20:36,919
Um, tell us what you are
accused of.
1683
01:20:44,535 --> 01:20:47,625
LAUREN: When you believe
the First Amendment
protects your speech,
1684
01:20:47,668 --> 01:20:49,888
you're believing in a rule.
1685
01:20:49,932 --> 01:20:51,585
But if the law
is an instrument of power,
1686
01:20:51,629 --> 01:20:53,196
it doesn't really matter
what the rules say.
1687
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:55,894
I never would've
expected this.
1688
01:20:56,808 --> 01:20:58,462
It's pretty devastating.
1689
01:20:58,505 --> 01:20:59,898
KEVIN:
Evidence against Dari was,
1690
01:20:59,942 --> 01:21:01,334
he called me to talk about
1691
01:21:01,378 --> 01:21:02,945
when there was
gonna be a protest.
1692
01:21:04,033 --> 01:21:05,556
And he was gonna go
to jail for that.
1693
01:21:13,912 --> 01:21:16,132
Metaphorical
fingerprints are...
1694
01:21:18,786 --> 01:21:21,267
metaphorical fingerprints.
What does that even mean?
1695
01:21:21,311 --> 01:21:22,660
What did he do?
1696
01:21:22,703 --> 01:21:24,314
What did he do?
1697
01:21:24,357 --> 01:21:26,142
Were there actual
fingerprints anywhere?
1698
01:21:26,185 --> 01:21:28,144
That would be actual evidence
1699
01:21:28,187 --> 01:21:30,581
of engaging
in an illegal activity.
1700
01:21:30,624 --> 01:21:31,974
MAN: What do you think
they mean?
1701
01:21:32,017 --> 01:21:34,150
I think they mean
he was a leader.
1702
01:22:00,654 --> 01:22:02,221
We should bring
that tape thing.
1703
01:22:02,265 --> 01:22:03,919
I don't know if
my mom's car has a tape
player though.
1704
01:22:04,441 --> 01:22:05,964
MAN: Is it a CD?
1705
01:22:06,008 --> 01:22:08,836
I believe so. Cars aren't made
with tape players anymore.
1706
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:10,142
Yeah.
1707
01:22:10,186 --> 01:22:12,014
Do we have any good CDs
that we wanna take?
1708
01:22:13,319 --> 01:22:15,669
I don't remember
having any CDs anymore.
1709
01:22:17,497 --> 01:22:19,847
But I really wanna make sure
it really gets picked up.
1710
01:22:19,891 --> 01:22:21,023
MAN: I wanna
be there, like...
1711
01:22:21,066 --> 01:22:22,502
I can be
one of your first visits,
1712
01:22:22,546 --> 01:22:24,287
and, like, you know,
get there immediately.
1713
01:22:24,330 --> 01:22:25,679
Put money
on your books and...
1714
01:22:25,723 --> 01:22:26,942
-That's nice.
-You know?
1715
01:22:26,985 --> 01:22:28,726
Just make sure my mom
does pick up Willie.
1716
01:22:28,769 --> 01:22:30,336
No, I know she does.
I mean,
1717
01:22:30,380 --> 01:22:32,817
she loves Willie
and there's no question
about that
1718
01:22:32,860 --> 01:22:35,080
and Willie will definitely
be happy with her.
1719
01:22:35,124 --> 01:22:36,908
-Yeah.
-So...
1720
01:22:36,952 --> 01:22:39,171
KEVIN:
I need to touch the piggy.
1721
01:22:46,744 --> 01:22:48,006
Do you wanna say
anything else?
1722
01:22:48,833 --> 01:22:49,790
Uh...
1723
01:22:51,879 --> 01:22:54,186
-It's kind of all been said--
-It sucks.
1724
01:22:54,230 --> 01:22:55,883
It's kinda all been said
at this point, huh?
1725
01:22:55,927 --> 01:22:57,624
Well, not really,
under the camera.
1726
01:22:57,668 --> 01:22:58,625
-Yeah.
-But, um...
1727
01:22:59,539 --> 01:23:02,368
You know, it sucks.
1728
01:23:02,412 --> 01:23:05,023
You live in America
and you don't have any rights.
1729
01:23:05,067 --> 01:23:05,937
Yeah.
1730
01:23:06,894 --> 01:23:08,200
So I'm done with it.
1731
01:23:09,288 --> 01:23:10,550
I'm all done.
1732
01:23:10,594 --> 01:23:12,813
I'm just gonna dedicate myself
to Willie now.
1733
01:23:15,207 --> 01:23:16,904
You're getting a lot
of attention there, huh?
1734
01:23:20,996 --> 01:23:21,866
That's it.
1735
01:23:40,754 --> 01:23:43,409
WILL: When I first
began investigating this,
I thought
1736
01:23:43,453 --> 01:23:45,977
the explanation of why
this is happening.
1737
01:23:46,021 --> 01:23:47,544
It's the same explanation
you see so many times
1738
01:23:47,587 --> 01:23:49,894
on Washington and any
1739
01:23:49,937 --> 01:23:52,244
seat of government power,
and it's money.
1740
01:23:52,288 --> 01:23:55,639
JAKE: You can point fingers
at Huntingdon and Brian Cass,
1741
01:23:55,682 --> 01:23:58,033
Charlie McKenna
and Chris Christie and
1742
01:23:58,076 --> 01:23:59,512
all these people.
1743
01:23:59,556 --> 01:24:00,992
Are they the symptom
of a bigger problem?
1744
01:24:01,688 --> 01:24:02,689
Probably, yeah.
1745
01:24:02,733 --> 01:24:04,126
If we really wanna, like,
1746
01:24:04,169 --> 01:24:06,302
stop picking away leaves
and branches off this tree,
1747
01:24:06,345 --> 01:24:09,131
and dig up, like, the roots
of the issues,
1748
01:24:09,174 --> 01:24:11,307
we're not gonna find
Chris Christie down there.
1749
01:24:11,350 --> 01:24:13,004
Or, you know, Brian Cass.
1750
01:24:13,048 --> 01:24:14,484
We're gonna find
capitalism and
1751
01:24:15,180 --> 01:24:16,703
quest for absolute power.
1752
01:24:18,444 --> 01:24:21,926
WILL: There clearly is
a very well-articulated fear
1753
01:24:21,969 --> 01:24:25,495
that if these beliefs
and these values take hold
1754
01:24:25,538 --> 01:24:27,018
across a broader segment
1755
01:24:27,062 --> 01:24:28,454
of American society,
1756
01:24:28,498 --> 01:24:30,239
they'll be a threat to
1757
01:24:30,282 --> 01:24:32,023
the entire American
way of life,
1758
01:24:32,067 --> 01:24:35,592
of how we view our place
in the world
1759
01:24:35,635 --> 01:24:37,072
as human beings.
1760
01:24:51,477 --> 01:24:54,045
Hello. My name's Brian Cass.
1761
01:24:54,089 --> 01:24:57,788
I'm the CEO of Envigo.
1762
01:24:57,831 --> 01:24:59,659
Anybody heard of Envigo?
1763
01:24:59,703 --> 01:25:02,009
Prior to Monday of this week,
1764
01:25:02,053 --> 01:25:04,447
you would know us
as Huntingdon Life Sciences.
1765
01:25:09,191 --> 01:25:12,019
I just wanna welcome you
to tonight's festivities.
1766
01:25:12,063 --> 01:25:13,717
An evening of gambling
and drinking,
1767
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:15,588
which I think
is a great beginning
1768
01:25:15,632 --> 01:25:16,720
for our new company.
1769
01:25:25,468 --> 01:25:29,298
I'm not sure that
the SHAC strategy
is a winning strategy.
1770
01:25:30,168 --> 01:25:31,300
Because we didn't win.
1771
01:25:34,738 --> 01:25:35,739
We didn't win.
1772
01:25:37,393 --> 01:25:38,611
We didn't close the lab.
1773
01:25:39,569 --> 01:25:40,961
There was mass mobilization
1774
01:25:41,005 --> 01:25:43,181
which, I think,
is spectacular.
1775
01:25:43,225 --> 01:25:45,183
I'm not sure
how useful it was,
1776
01:25:45,227 --> 01:25:47,011
to mobilize
1777
01:25:47,054 --> 01:25:48,578
around a target,
1778
01:25:48,621 --> 01:25:51,146
that we framed as being
1779
01:25:51,189 --> 01:25:53,104
somehow extraordinary.
1780
01:25:53,148 --> 01:25:54,584
Because it's not extraordinary.
1781
01:25:54,627 --> 01:25:56,934
Huntingdon is not
extraordinary.
1782
01:25:56,977 --> 01:25:58,936
There's nothing
happening at HLS
1783
01:25:58,979 --> 01:26:01,112
that isn't happening
all around the world...
1784
01:26:02,766 --> 01:26:04,028
in hundreds of different
1785
01:26:04,071 --> 01:26:05,421
contract research
organizations.
1786
01:26:06,248 --> 01:26:07,466
Or for that matter,
1787
01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:09,338
in thousands of universities.
1788
01:26:11,775 --> 01:26:14,038
The suffering
that people saw
1789
01:26:14,081 --> 01:26:16,301
in that undercover video...
1790
01:26:16,345 --> 01:26:19,086
As someone who has worked
in that industry,
1791
01:26:19,130 --> 01:26:20,218
it was not shocking.
1792
01:26:20,784 --> 01:26:22,351
It is typical.
1793
01:26:22,394 --> 01:26:24,048
That is a normal day.
1794
01:26:26,181 --> 01:26:29,619
This lab and other labs
and other...
1795
01:26:29,662 --> 01:26:31,882
institutions of violence
against animals
1796
01:26:31,925 --> 01:26:35,842
will close when that sort
of violence becomes...
1797
01:26:38,193 --> 01:26:39,629
unacceptable.
1798
01:26:39,672 --> 01:26:41,457
Becomes something that we,
1799
01:26:42,545 --> 01:26:44,938
as a society, don't want.
1800
01:28:09,284 --> 01:28:11,198
KEVIN: Junior and I
have this special bond
1801
01:28:11,242 --> 01:28:12,678
with each other because
1802
01:28:12,722 --> 01:28:15,290
he spent the last
four-and-a-half years
1803
01:28:15,333 --> 01:28:16,987
in an animal testing lab,
1804
01:28:17,466 --> 01:28:19,032
in a cage.
1805
01:28:19,076 --> 01:28:22,645
And I spent the last
four-and-a-half years
in a prison.
1806
01:28:23,776 --> 01:28:26,039
And now that I'm free,
1807
01:28:26,083 --> 01:28:28,564
I'm restarting life
with a partner,
1808
01:28:29,608 --> 01:28:31,958
who is the embodiment
1809
01:28:32,002 --> 01:28:33,264
of everything I gave up
1810
01:28:33,308 --> 01:28:34,657
those last five years for.
1811
01:28:40,837 --> 01:28:42,317
Thank you. Wow.
1812
01:28:43,883 --> 01:28:48,279
-It's good to be back.
1813
01:28:50,412 --> 01:28:52,544
So let's just address
that elephant in the room.
1814
01:28:52,588 --> 01:28:54,938
Yes. Lauren and I
and a few other people
1815
01:28:54,981 --> 01:28:57,549
ran the "Stop Huntingdon
Animal Cruelty" campaign.
1816
01:28:57,593 --> 01:29:00,073
And yup, I got a six-year
prison sentence
1817
01:29:00,117 --> 01:29:02,815
of which I did four years,
nine months and twelve days.
1818
01:29:03,555 --> 01:29:04,556
That chapter
1819
01:29:05,209 --> 01:29:06,993
is mine alone.
1820
01:29:07,037 --> 01:29:08,908
I survived it with the help
of my family,
1821
01:29:10,170 --> 01:29:11,171
my friends,
1822
01:29:12,477 --> 01:29:13,391
Aaron.
1823
01:29:15,306 --> 01:29:17,439
KEVIN: These two guys came from
a rescue organization
1824
01:29:17,482 --> 01:29:18,614
called "Beagle
Freedom Project."
1825
01:29:18,657 --> 01:29:20,137
They're from
research laboratories.
1826
01:29:20,180 --> 01:29:21,356
MAN: Oh, really?
1827
01:29:21,399 --> 01:29:22,531
Yeah, they were tested on,
both of them,
1828
01:29:22,574 --> 01:29:24,402
-for a couple of years each.
-Oh, no.
1829
01:29:24,446 --> 01:29:25,969
My beagle, Junior,
1830
01:29:26,883 --> 01:29:29,146
came to me as a scared,
1831
01:29:29,189 --> 01:29:32,932
confused and fragile
little survivor.
1832
01:29:32,976 --> 01:29:35,282
And his body
bore the marks...
1833
01:29:35,326 --> 01:29:38,111
His scars where
incisions were made.
1834
01:29:38,155 --> 01:29:41,114
Notches on his floppy ears
that are missing.
1835
01:29:41,158 --> 01:29:43,508
I watched as that first night,
1836
01:29:43,552 --> 01:29:45,815
he cautiously
jumped into our bed,
1837
01:29:45,858 --> 01:29:47,120
his bed,
1838
01:29:47,164 --> 01:29:48,731
for the first time,
1839
01:29:48,774 --> 01:29:51,429
and he decided,
bravely enough
1840
01:29:51,473 --> 01:29:54,737
that he was gonna try again
with our species.
1841
01:29:54,780 --> 01:29:57,653
If Junior wasn't gonna be
defeated by animal testing,
1842
01:29:57,696 --> 01:30:00,177
why the hell would I?
1843
01:30:00,220 --> 01:30:02,048
One of the things I learned
about myself
1844
01:30:02,092 --> 01:30:03,354
from the SHAC campaign,
1845
01:30:03,398 --> 01:30:05,791
is, I'm highly competitive
1846
01:30:05,835 --> 01:30:08,359
and very stubborn,
and I don't like losing.
1847
01:30:08,403 --> 01:30:10,579
And so, when I start a fight
with, uh, somebody,
1848
01:30:10,622 --> 01:30:12,450
an industry or an issue,
1849
01:30:12,494 --> 01:30:14,670
I'm in it for the long haul.
1850
01:30:14,713 --> 01:30:17,455
Beagle Freedom Project
existed for five years,
1851
01:30:17,499 --> 01:30:19,718
and we rescued well over
a thousand animals
1852
01:30:19,762 --> 01:30:20,763
from laboratories.
1853
01:30:20,806 --> 01:30:22,329
Gave them a second chance
at life.
1854
01:30:22,373 --> 01:30:23,679
Just this week,
1855
01:30:23,722 --> 01:30:25,463
New Jersey,
Assembly member there,
1856
01:30:25,507 --> 01:30:27,683
introduced our signature
piece of legislation,
1857
01:30:27,726 --> 01:30:29,075
the Beagle Freedom Bill.
1858
01:30:29,119 --> 01:30:31,382
Already a law
in five other states
1859
01:30:31,426 --> 01:30:33,515
that mandates
any tax payer-funded
1860
01:30:33,558 --> 01:30:35,255
research laboratory
1861
01:30:35,299 --> 01:30:37,475
must give the dogs
and cats up
1862
01:30:37,519 --> 01:30:40,870
for public adoption
when the research is done.
1863
01:30:40,913 --> 01:30:42,480
The industry hates us,
1864
01:30:42,524 --> 01:30:43,916
because they complain that
1865
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:47,267
we're using "their dogs"
in propaganda
1866
01:30:47,311 --> 01:30:49,139
against them
quite effectively.
1867
01:30:49,835 --> 01:30:51,576
And for that...
1868
01:30:51,620 --> 01:30:53,448
Yeah, we are.
1869
01:30:53,491 --> 01:30:56,233
God bless you.
You're really doing,
uh, work.
1870
01:30:56,276 --> 01:30:57,539
-So thank you.
-I appreciate it.
1871
01:30:57,582 --> 01:30:58,757
-Thanks for having us on.
-Thanks, Kevin.
1872
01:30:58,801 --> 01:31:00,411
Just like 15 years ago,
1873
01:31:00,455 --> 01:31:01,847
when I stood before you
1874
01:31:01,891 --> 01:31:03,806
and I gave you a speech,
1875
01:31:03,849 --> 01:31:05,503
free of fear
1876
01:31:05,547 --> 01:31:07,940
without regard
to consequences.
1877
01:31:07,984 --> 01:31:09,768
I do it again tonight,
1878
01:31:09,812 --> 01:31:12,118
because I know what
those consequences are.
1879
01:31:12,162 --> 01:31:14,860
I survived them
and so can you.
1880
01:31:24,653 --> 01:31:25,654
ANDY: Oh, it's here.
1881
01:31:26,568 --> 01:31:28,483
It's here.
1882
01:31:28,526 --> 01:31:30,876
It's kind of got a little bit
of flood damage on it.
1883
01:31:33,836 --> 01:31:36,403
You know, someone wrote
for theFinancial Times
of London...
1884
01:31:37,448 --> 01:31:38,405
about the campaign,
1885
01:31:39,581 --> 01:31:41,844
to have the premiere paper
1886
01:31:41,887 --> 01:31:43,541
for the world's
capital markets,
1887
01:31:43,585 --> 01:31:45,978
have a line in it
that said
1888
01:31:46,022 --> 01:31:48,720
that these individuals
are succeeding with
1889
01:31:48,764 --> 01:31:50,766
fighting capitalism
where Karl Marx
1890
01:31:50,809 --> 01:31:53,638
and the Red Brigades failed.
1891
01:31:53,682 --> 01:31:56,249
It was, kind of,
a really serious...
1892
01:31:56,293 --> 01:31:58,382
serious, uh,
statement to read.
1893
01:31:58,425 --> 01:32:00,340
And so when I read that,
I was like...
1894
01:32:00,384 --> 01:32:02,734
Feel like I'm part of history,
being part of this.
1895
01:32:04,475 --> 01:32:06,042
MAN: These tactics worked then
1896
01:32:06,999 --> 01:32:08,044
and they'll work again.
1897
01:32:12,222 --> 01:32:14,224
JOSH:
Although I'm most certainly
1898
01:32:14,267 --> 01:32:15,965
not the same person
1899
01:32:16,008 --> 01:32:19,795
that I was when
I walked into prison,
1900
01:32:19,838 --> 01:32:22,667
the difference is
then it removed from me
1901
01:32:22,711 --> 01:32:24,974
the most valuable parts
of who I am.
1902
01:32:27,716 --> 01:32:30,501
All the things that I had
gone to prison
1903
01:32:30,545 --> 01:32:32,329
for fighting for
1904
01:32:32,372 --> 01:32:33,983
still matter to me.
1905
01:32:34,026 --> 01:32:36,507
And in many ways
seem more urgent
1906
01:32:36,551 --> 01:32:38,857
to me now
than they did then.
1907
01:32:41,251 --> 01:32:43,949
None of us do have
the magic solution.
1908
01:32:43,993 --> 01:32:46,996
Revolution is not really
a science.
1909
01:32:47,039 --> 01:32:51,130
I think that revolution is
a little bit more
like surfing.
1910
01:32:51,174 --> 01:32:53,132
There's a wave coming at you.
1911
01:32:53,176 --> 01:32:55,004
You don't really know
what it's gonna bring,
1912
01:32:55,047 --> 01:32:56,396
or when it's gonna stop,
1913
01:32:56,440 --> 01:32:58,224
or how it's gonna drop out.
1914
01:32:58,268 --> 01:33:00,444
But you've
gotta ride it anyway.
1915
01:33:00,487 --> 01:33:02,707
Right now,
I really do believe
1916
01:33:02,751 --> 01:33:04,622
there's a new wave coming.
1917
01:33:04,666 --> 01:33:07,364
People's anger and passion,
compassion
1918
01:33:07,407 --> 01:33:09,540
will only stay suppressed
for so long.
1919
01:33:13,936 --> 01:33:16,982
JAKE: It's not just about
Earth liberation.
1920
01:33:17,026 --> 01:33:20,638
It's not just about
human liberation.
1921
01:33:20,682 --> 01:33:23,510
It's not just about
animal liberation.
1922
01:33:23,554 --> 01:33:25,687
It's about
collective liberation.
1923
01:33:25,730 --> 01:33:27,340
The liberation of everyone.
1924
01:33:27,384 --> 01:33:28,603
Because at the end
of the day,
1925
01:33:28,646 --> 01:33:30,692
like, we all want to be free.
1926
01:33:30,735 --> 01:33:32,389
And if we start
picking and choosing
1927
01:33:32,432 --> 01:33:33,825
who gets to be free,
1928
01:33:33,869 --> 01:33:35,827
we're never
gonna get anywhere.
1929
01:33:37,220 --> 01:33:38,874
JOSH:
As frightening as it is
1930
01:33:38,917 --> 01:33:41,790
to talk about the need
for confrontation
1931
01:33:41,833 --> 01:33:44,009
after I'd gone to prison
1932
01:33:44,053 --> 01:33:46,055
for talking about that need,
1933
01:33:46,098 --> 01:33:47,709
I can't in good conscience
1934
01:33:48,405 --> 01:33:50,146
turn my back on
1935
01:33:50,189 --> 01:33:52,627
what history has told me.
1936
01:33:53,453 --> 01:33:55,368
And that is that,
1937
01:33:55,412 --> 01:33:59,285
without struggle,
there is not progress.
1938
01:33:59,329 --> 01:34:02,941
And that unless
you are willing
1939
01:34:02,985 --> 01:34:06,989
to rise up and to fight
with your hands...
1940
01:34:10,035 --> 01:34:11,123
nothing changes.
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