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Is this how our
story is due to end?
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A tale of the smartest
species doomed...
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by that all too human
characteristic of failing...
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to see the bigger picture in
pursuit of short-term goals.
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Now, the global
population officially
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passed 8 billion people today.
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That number has more than
doubled in the past 50 years.
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Last year was the hottest
year since records began.
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Global sea levels rose by
more than expected last year.
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Temperatures were
1.6°C degrees higher...
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than the pre-industrial average.
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UN scientists have
warned we are on course...
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for a catastrophic 3.1
degrees Celsius of warming...
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this century.
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Bird flu is at a
dangerous point.
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H5N1 has taken root in US dairy
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farms, and now
it's jumped species.
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With evidence
that climate change
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has played a significant role...
in Los Angeles fires.
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Abundance.
Microplastics.
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170 trillion pieces
in the ocean.
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Human-made chemicals
known as forever chemicals.
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Toxic chemicals.
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That consuming a
single serving of fish...
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would be equivalent to a
year of contaminated water.
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Nearly half of humanity is
living in the danger zone now!
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Drought, floods, and fires.
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Sea level rise.
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Time is almost out.
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At the point of no return.
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We are way off target when it
comes to how dire things are...
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and those impacts
are getting worse.
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It could potentially
be irreversible.
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It isn't too late yet...
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Now or never.
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People must be capable of
caring about things...
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beyond is my belly full...
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and, am I dry when
I sleep at night?
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Otherwise, it is all lost.
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We are biological creatures
and we live in an ecosystem.
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The ecosystem that
we live in is partly...
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what we have inherited over
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history, from
3.8 billion years...
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of life's evolution
on this planet.
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And, partly what we have done.
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The choices that we've made.
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Things that we've engineered.
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Things that we've destroyed and
the things that we've protected.
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It's an intellectual challenge
to try and figure out...
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what that would look like.
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Whether there would
be a final collapse.
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Or whether this
planet would just...
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continue to drift
through the universe...
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containing...
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human engineering and almost
no other form of diversity.
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We should be concerned about
that final handful of species...
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on a dying mud ball...
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floating through the universe...
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that used to be planet Earth.
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That's what we should be
concerned about...
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in the immediate sense...
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For the last 15 years or so
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there's been a
series of papers...
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published in Scientific Journals
saying we really don't like...
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the look of what's happening
to the food system.
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It looks a bit like the
financial system...
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in the approach to 2008.
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The food system
itself could collapse.
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It's dominated by just a
few huge companies.
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Like the financial system
was before 2008.
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So for example, just
four corporations...
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control 90% of
global grain trade.
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That's really dangerous.
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If one of those corporations
fails, and it could just...
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bring down the whole system.
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People starve then.
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Huge numbers of
people would starve.
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Everyone's doing the same thing.
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They're all producing crops
in the same way...
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with the same chemicals,
with the same seeds...
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from the same companies.
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That's very dangerous.
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It stripped the diversity
out of the system.
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Everyone's doing it
for maximum efficiency.
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That strips the redundancy
out of the system.
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These things like diversity
and redundancy...
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they're essential for the
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resilience of a
complex system...
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which is what
the food system is.
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No one seems to know this.
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No government is
prepared to talk about it.
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They're not interested.
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So food system just
refers to the fact...
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that it's an interconnected
web of connection...
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between the food chain
and basically everything...
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that is along that food chain...
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and how it has external
outputs onto the world.
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We think about the food chain.
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We think about
getting food from,
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let's say, the grocery store...
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but what are all
of the significant points...
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that made it possible for that
food to come onto our plate...
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and for us to get it to
the grocery store?
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and then the politics of
how land is used.
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Then that goes into how
livestock are treated...
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how they're fed,
in factory farms...
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the antibiotics so that we have
the pharmaceutical part...
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as well, finally how that
food is packaged...
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and brought to
the grocery store.
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Every single part of that
chain is interconnected.
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It's this flow,
and that's why actually...
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it's so challenging
to change it.
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Where are we heading?
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In my lighter moments, I think
maybe we will be heading...
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to a future where we
can live sustainably.
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In my slightly darker moments...
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I think we're heading towards
the world of Mad Max.
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Because we have converging
threats, existential threats...
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that will impact on
our food system...
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that will impact on
our water security...
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they're going to impact on our
wellbeing in general.
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The major players within
the food industry...
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they abide by regulations.
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The question is, are
those regulations...
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the ones that are
best for our health?
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I'd love to see regulations that
help to make us healthy...
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while also yielding profits for
those who are involved...
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in the production of food.
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We have a food system today
that is focused on profit.
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Food corporations
are selling food...
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in an extremely
competitive environment.
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Many of them
are privately held...
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which means that
their stockholders...
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have the power.
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So the agricultural
system like any other...
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is focused on immediate
and higher returns on profit.
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And it really doesn't matter
what is being sold...
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or the health or
environmental effects...
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of what is being sold.
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What matters is how
quickly the companies...
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are making money.
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The system of food
production today...
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is based on an industrial
and intensive model.
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Intensive, meaning what?
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All the components, the input
and the animals within it...
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even the workers, they are all
used to the utmost intensity...
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in order to produce the
maximum possible profit...
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in the shortest time
and with minimal costs.
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We need to be looking at
the whole system.
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And what I began to see...
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reluctantly, because
I did not want to see...
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and I still don't
want to see it...
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but I can't unsee it now...
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is that "the" biggest threat
to the living world...
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is food production.
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Food production is the primary
cause of wildlife loss...
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the primary cause of
habitat destruction...
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the primary cause
of species extinction...
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the primary cause
of fresh water use...
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the primary cause
of soil erosion...
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and the primary
cause of land use...
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which is the most
important issue of all.
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And it's also one of
the biggest causes...
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of both water
pollution, air pollution...
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and land pollution,
and climate breakdown.
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All of these things together.
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I mean, it's up there...
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it's worse than the
fossil fuel industry.
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Today's food system
is not just impacted...
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by animal agriculture...
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but indeed dominated
completely by it...
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in the sense that, take for
example land occupation.
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So you have two types of land...
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you find cropland and
you have a range land.
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In the cropland, the
predominance of corn...
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and soy for feed production
results in most...
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of the cropland occupation.
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And that is the key asset
that we need to feed ourselves.
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Use the cropland to
produce corn and soy...
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feed them to livestock...
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and then eat the products
of the livestock.
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And that has efficiency of
somewhere between...
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you know, 10 or even 15%...
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all the way down to
about 3%, which is beef.
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And what that means is that of
100 kilograms of protein...
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in feed, in corn,
wheat, oats, et cetera...
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that you feed to beef...
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you get only three kilograms
of edible beef protein...
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a hundred in, three out.
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The most important
environmental issue of all...
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is the amount of land we use.
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Because every hectare
of land that we use...
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for our own purposes
is a hectare...
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which can't be occupied
by wild ecosystems.
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Now, the great majority
of species on Earth...
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need wild ecosystems
for their survival.
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They can't survive in ecosystems
which we've manipulated.
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But also the Earth
system itself...
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the whole planetary system...
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is totally dependent
on wild ecosystems...
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and the less wild
ecosystems you have...
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the more likely that earth
system is to collapse.
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Now, what's the major reason
why we don't have...
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enough wild ecosystems?
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Cattle ranching.
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It's outdoor cattle keeping
is the biggest cause...
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of the transformation
of wild ecosystems...
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into a man-made,
human-made ecosystem...
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which is cattle pasture.
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Animal agriculture
impacts climate
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change primarily through...
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two, two and a
half, let's call it...
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major greenhouse gases.
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The trickiest to
handle is methane...
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and that's mostly from what they
call enteric fermentation...
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which is basically
burping by ruminants...
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especially beef, cattle,
and dairy as well...
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then there's CO2, which
mostly is incurred...
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in the production of the feed...
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that goes to feeding
those animals...
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and then there's nitrous oxide,
a third greenhouse gas...
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which is mostly the result
of manure management...
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not exclusively, but mostly...
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and they account somewhere
between 25 to 30%...
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of all greenhouse
gas emissions...
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by far and away,
the biggest impact...
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of food production on land is
meat, dairy, and eggs...
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is animal products.
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That hits ecosystems harder...
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than anything
else we do on land.
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And at sea, by far and away...
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the biggest impact
is commercial fishing.
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That hits marine
ecosystems harder...
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than anything else we do at sea.
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I think the sea is
always somewhere else...
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somewhere other than the place
that we consider to be home.
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At best, we think of the planet
as three quarters ocean...
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and water and quarter land...
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but in fact, the ocean makes
up something like 97%...
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of the volume of living
space on planet earth.
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The assumption that
we always made...
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was that the sea
was wild and intact...
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and you could take as much
as you liked from it...
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with no consequences.
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We've come late to
this understanding...
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about the impact that we've
had on the ocean.
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That just as on land,
the underwater world
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has been transformed
by human action.
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The ocean has
absorbed something like
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30% of the carbon
dioxide that human...
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activities have
emitted since the
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industrialisation of the planet.
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What we realise now is
that that carbon is not...
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necessarily safe, particularly
the carbon in shallow seas...
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and those are the seas that
we exploit most...
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intensively because they're
the most productive.
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They supply about 95% of the
seafood that we eat.
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And much of that
seafood is gathered by...
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dragging trawl nets and
dredges across the seabed...
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and as they pass
across the seabed,
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they kick up lots of
sediment and mud...
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and the stored organic carbon
inside those sediments...
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and when it's released
into the water column...
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it can then be turned back
into carbon dioxide...
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and some of that carbon dioxide
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can end up back
in the atmosphere.
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There was a study
that was published in
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2021 that estimated
that the amount of...
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carbon which was
being released from these
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disturbed seabed
carbon stores was...
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equivalent to emissions from the
world aviation industry.
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Can we perpetuate
this forever while not...
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accruing ever rising
environmental degradation?
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No! The answer is
no, we cannot do that.
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Scientists have
long worried about
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progressive change in things...
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like you know the
temperatures rising like this...
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as carbon dioxide builds
up in the atmosphere...
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but actually the world doesn't
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act in linear
ways all the time...
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and what we are beginning
to appreciate more is...
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that there may be tipping
points in the Earth system...
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and if you cross
those tipping points,
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then you can get
very rapid change.
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So, for example,
loss of ice from
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Greenland or West Antarctica...
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you know once warming
progresses sufficiently, then...
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you know, warming from
beneath the ice sheet...
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from the sea is
actually melting it from
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below, which speeds
up the rate of ice...
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loss off the continent or
the island of Greenland...
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and if the rate of ice loss
accelerates enough...
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then you could see massive
deglaciation happening...
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and loss of ice from the
Greenland ice sheet alone...
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would raise world sea levels
by seven metres or so.
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Is it wise to sink ever deeper
into environmental debt?
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To me, the answer seems no.
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We should strive
to act in a judicious,
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timely fashion,
well ahead of a pending...
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catastrophe so that we have the
latitude and the flexibility...
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to choose the kind of response
that we are comfortable with.
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I don't think there is enough
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attention to
environmental problems.
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There have been five mass
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extinctions in
planetary history...
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which wiped out more than
75% of species at the time.
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But the sixth mass extinction,
which we're in right now...
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is unfolding around us and
we're not doing enough about it.
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There isn't nearly enough
public attention. There isn't...
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enough resources
being put into the
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protection of the environment...
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and so we're sort of sliding
towards a time of reduced...
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biodiversity and increasing
instability for the planet.
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It's about education,
all the time...
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and that's where we fall down.
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All over the world.
On so many fronts,
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kids are not genuinely educated.
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Climate crisis may
come up a bit here and
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there and they feel
a bit scared by it...
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you know, from something
they've heard in geography.
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Who is actually
genuinely telling them
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how animals are farmed,
how they are killed...
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and what the consequences
of that are for them, their...
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family's health,
for those animals
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themselves and for the planet.
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Because we are now in...
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the sixth mass extinction.
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This is serious...
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and if we care about
our future, then we
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have to take this
seriously and stop...
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farming billions of animals in
the most appallingly cruel ways.
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Now, we all love
animals, don't we?
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The big ones, the little ones...
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maybe not the ugly ones.
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My favourites are
the old meat and
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dairy animals,
burgers and shakes.
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And they're never
going to go short because
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apparently there's
now 70 billion of them.
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We're eating the earth.
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Believe it or not,
they eat so much, they
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need 80% of all the
agricultural land in...
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the world and horror of horrors,
we've now run out of it.
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We're eating the earth.
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We're eating the earth.
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We're eating the earth.
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Someone just told me
that we're in the
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sixth mass extinction
and that a million...
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different species are
going to be wiped out.
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Ha! That's the bunny
huggers for you.
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We're eating the earth.
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We're eating the earth.
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We're eating the earth.
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I want to keep hold of
our creamy ice creams
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and bacon butties.
We're just going to...
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have to chop down more forests.
That's fine with me.
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If we are serious
about the survival of
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the species and about
our own so-called...
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civilisation, there
needs to be a radical
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rethink in the way in
which we behave and...
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the way in which we treat others
and other species as well.
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I used to be an merchant banker,
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specialising in
corporate finance...
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and I went out to see a client
who had interests in many...
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different industries.
It was a conglomerate.
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And one of the
operations that they
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had turned out to
be a slaughterhouse.
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And we should bear
in mind that at the
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time I was a meat
eater and my favourite...
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food was fillet
mignon and lobster...
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a fact for which I am so
profoundly ashamed today.
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Well that day in
that slaughterhouse
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I was absolutely terrified.
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So I moved out of my
profession and decided
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to become involved
in a process of...
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learning as much
as I could about
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these industries but I
call them atrocities.
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And as a consequence
of that, today
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we support about 850
projects in 54 countries.
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As I travel around the world
I give talks to sometimes...
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small groups of 100 people
and sometimes 5000 people...
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and they are all good,
caring, loving people
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who genuinely want
to change the world...
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as long as they don't have
to change themselves.
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Animals must be off the
menu because tonight
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they are screaming
in terror in the...
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slaughterhouses,
in crates and in
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cages, vile, ignoble
gulags of despair.
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Eight billion people
are alive today and
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we humans torture
and kill two billion...
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sentient, living, loving
animals every week.
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10,000 entire species
are wiped out every
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year because of the
actions of one species.
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If we were killed
at the same rate...
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we would be wiped out as
a species in one weekend.
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This is a crime of
unimaginable proportions.
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Meat is still holding a
symbolic status of power...
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partly because,
throughout history,
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it was the food of the kings.
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Of the higher class...
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It holds an
inspirational element,
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as we can see
in all societies...
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when they reach higher
sources of income...
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the first thing we observe is an
increase in meat consumption.
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Everybody agrees
that China is a country...
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with a huge impact on
the rest of the world.
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So China's food
system has shared...
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many similarities with
food systems elsewhere.
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And, for the last few decades,
meat consumption...
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was on the rise and capitalist,
production of food...
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and consumerism made
people just want more.
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Even they don't need more.
But with all the risks that
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come with this increasing
consumption of meat in...
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a country with huge populations,
we can see that...
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the risks are pronouncing
themselves much...
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more clearly now.
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This is a matter of
scale, the scale at...
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which animals are
raised for food...
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for people.
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The industrial scale
husbandry of livestock...
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huge pig operations,
huge poultry operations.
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Tens of thousands, hundreds
of thousands, in some cases...
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millions of chickens on
a particular chicken farm.
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Where you have thousands or
tens of thousands of pigs...
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in particular pig operation.
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Something like 99%
of the animal products
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that we eat are produced
in factory farms...
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and factory farms are these
concentrated operations where...
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I don't think any of us...
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whether we're vegan
or not, can ethically
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stand by what happens
in factory farms...
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where animals are
treated as objectified
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commodities rather
than as beings.
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They find it difficult
to think that animals
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deserve to have equal
consideration for their rights.
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It is a difficult thing.
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It's also very difficult,
using the laws...
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of supply and demand and
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economics,
to get companies and...
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businesses and farms and
institutions to change as well.
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We accepted and
allowed to the removal of
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a control system
on a political level...
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and that they would
become privatised.
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All of this dates back
to the 70s and the 80s...
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with the rise of neoliberal
ideologies and politics...
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so the current system
whose functioning forces
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people to buy and
eat what is produced...
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it is functional
and motivated by
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its own existence and survival.
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Corporations have an
enormous amount...
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of political power...
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and they use their money
to get governments...
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to do what they want...
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to do things that are
good for business.
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When I visited a small river...
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in this county in Devon...
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which was famous
for its wildlife...
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and I turned up with a friend...
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and you could
tell straight away...
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something was very wrong.
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We stepped up to the bank of
the river and it was dead...
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and its stank was a really
powerful stink...
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and so I thought,
what's happened here?
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I couldn't understand.
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Eventually, I found this pipe
coming into the river...
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and even though
it was a dry day...
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there was shit pouring out
of this pipe into the river...
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and you could see below
the pipe, everything was dead.
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And so I thought,
what is this pipe?
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Where is it coming from?
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And so I followed the pipe
up the hill to a dairy farm...
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and it came straight out of one
of the slurry pits.
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And I looked at Google Earth and
I saw that a few years before.
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The size of the dairy unit
had been doubled.
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And I later found it had twice
as many cattle as it had before.
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But they hadn't bothered to
build any more slurry lagoons...
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any more shit pits.
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Because it was
cheaper just to build a
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pipe going straight
down into the river...
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and literally pour the
shit straight into the river.
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So I thought, well, look,
I'm a Guardian journalist.
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I'm a well-known
environmentalist.
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I'm about the most empowered
person there could be...
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when it comes to
making a complaint.
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So I rang up the Environment
Agency's pollution hotline.
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And they said, oh,
this is very serious, sir.
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A few days later,
I phoned up the
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Environment Agency
again and said...
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so what are you
going to do about it?
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They said, well, we decided
not to take action, sir...
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because it's not
a serious incident.
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So we went
and had a look.
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And we didn't find any
evidence of a fish kill...
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so it's not a serious incident.
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I said, of course
you didn't find
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any evidence of a fish killing.
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There aren't
any fish left to kill.
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And then I got this
massive response
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from people all
over the country...
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saying our rivers had
the same problem.
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But I also got
two whistleblowers
501
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,506
from the Environment Agency...
502
00:28:36,620 --> 00:28:40,539
came to me and said,
this is inevitable...
503
00:28:40,779 --> 00:28:42,739
because we've been
told from the top...
504
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,406
from the Secretary of State
for the Environment...
505
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,520
not to prosecute dairy farmers.
506
00:28:48,180 --> 00:28:49,545
So then I looked
into it further and
507
00:28:49,557 --> 00:28:50,860
found that dairy
farm pollution...
508
00:28:50,980 --> 00:28:54,019
is one of the biggest forms of
pollution in the whole country.
509
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,160
Chicken farm
pollution is another one.
510
00:28:56,299 --> 00:28:57,486
They don't
prosecute that either.
511
00:28:57,779 --> 00:28:59,380
Pig farm pollution
is another one.
512
00:28:59,499 --> 00:29:00,513
They don't prosecute that.
513
00:29:01,420 --> 00:29:03,455
And I thought, if they're not
514
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:04,880
going to regulate
this industry...
515
00:29:05,700 --> 00:29:07,019
I'm not going to
eat its products.
516
00:29:10,940 --> 00:29:13,779
There is an expression,
what goes around comes around.
517
00:29:14,539 --> 00:29:16,099
You can't escape
the consequences.
518
00:29:18,059 --> 00:29:20,259
The amount of plastic entering
the ocean every year...
519
00:29:20,380 --> 00:29:23,460
has been estimated to be
around 14 million tonnes.
520
00:29:24,660 --> 00:29:29,299
Of course, anything that doesn't
degrade over time very fast...
521
00:29:29,420 --> 00:29:30,460
is going to build up.
522
00:29:30,579 --> 00:29:32,660
If you keep adding
14 million tonnes...
523
00:29:32,779 --> 00:29:37,460
14 million tonnes year after
year, then it all accumulates.
524
00:29:37,900 --> 00:29:40,815
So the ocean now
has up to an estimated
525
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,040
200 million tonnes of plastic...
526
00:29:44,099 --> 00:29:47,259
embodied within the water
and the sediments of the seabed.
527
00:29:47,900 --> 00:29:51,606
As plastic breaks down, it forms
smaller and smaller particles.
528
00:29:52,059 --> 00:29:54,539
So it then is ingested
by marine life.
529
00:29:54,779 --> 00:29:58,099
But those particles also attract
nasty chemicals.
530
00:29:58,539 --> 00:30:00,140
Forever chemicals
they're called.
531
00:30:00,259 --> 00:30:04,366
Things like DDT and PCBs
and the plastic additives...
532
00:30:04,391 --> 00:30:06,351
that are added in agrochemicals.
533
00:30:07,019 --> 00:30:09,260
And those attach
those plastic particles.
534
00:30:09,353 --> 00:30:11,122
As they're ingested by marine
535
00:30:11,134 --> 00:30:13,486
life, they build
up in the tissues.
536
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,480
So when you catch a fish, which
is at the top of the food web...
537
00:30:18,620 --> 00:30:23,120
like a tuna, the tissues
may be laden with toxins...
538
00:30:23,499 --> 00:30:25,560
some of which is
being absorbed from
539
00:30:25,572 --> 00:30:27,420
plastics that they have eaten...
540
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,601
and if we eat that fish,
then we then become...
541
00:30:30,779 --> 00:30:32,099
the carrier of those toxins.
542
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,593
Change is difficult
for everybody...
543
00:30:37,539 --> 00:30:41,739
because animal agriculture
forms such a significant part...
544
00:30:42,259 --> 00:30:45,373
of our gross domestic product,
of our cultures.
545
00:30:46,059 --> 00:30:48,346
In fact, a lot of our
best memories...
546
00:30:49,140 --> 00:30:51,299
occur from sitting
around the dining table...
547
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,766
and many of the bad habits
that we live with today...
548
00:30:57,499 --> 00:31:00,800
we learned when we were babies
in the arms of our mothers...
549
00:31:01,779 --> 00:31:04,819
and we associate the comfort
food that our parents gave us...
550
00:31:05,059 --> 00:31:08,880
because they loved us, with
safety and security and care.
551
00:31:09,779 --> 00:31:13,480
So it is almost hard-wired
into our systems...
552
00:31:13,819 --> 00:31:15,779
that this is something
that is good for us.
553
00:31:16,140 --> 00:31:23,140
As well, there is this feeling
about people and livelihoods.
554
00:31:23,259 --> 00:31:25,766
This is a heroic way
of making a living.
555
00:31:26,220 --> 00:31:30,195
Instead of seeing the
dragging of trawl nets...
556
00:31:30,220 --> 00:31:37,026
across the seabed as incredibly
destructive and impacting...
557
00:31:37,140 --> 00:31:39,779
on the sea in an
industrial sense...
558
00:31:39,900 --> 00:31:44,539
this is just as destructive as
clear-felling forests.
559
00:31:45,940 --> 00:31:48,855
It's seen instead as being part
560
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,080
of the culture
and the history...
561
00:31:50,220 --> 00:31:52,940
and the heritage of a country.
562
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,195
And that these
people are going out...
563
00:31:55,220 --> 00:31:57,700
and they're resting
a living from the sea.
564
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,379
They're bringing back good
quality food for people to eat.
565
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,680
And we celebrate that without
understanding the impacts...
566
00:32:04,700 --> 00:32:05,739
that it's causing.
567
00:32:14,660 --> 00:32:16,142
Most people
imagine that the meat
568
00:32:16,154 --> 00:32:17,779
and the milk and
the egg they eat...
569
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,680
come from these little
farms with a few cattle...
570
00:32:20,700 --> 00:32:24,700
a few chickens, maybe growing a
few vegetables at the same time.
571
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,855
And all the marketing
suggests that.
572
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,800
The advertisements,
the packaging...
573
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,239
yeah, look, a few chickens
scratching outside.
574
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,960
If people knew the reality, they
would be absolutely horrified.
575
00:32:37,180 --> 00:32:39,453
these enormous
steel factories...
576
00:32:39,846 --> 00:32:41,975
which might have
tens of thousands
577
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,440
of chickens crammed into them...
578
00:32:44,099 --> 00:32:46,373
thousands of pigs,
hundreds of dairy cattle...
579
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,600
all in one huge
great steel factory,
580
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,880
living in horrendous conditions.
581
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,660
It's totally different
to the public image.
582
00:32:55,273 --> 00:32:58,220
So for instance, Tesco,
one of our big supermarkets...
583
00:32:58,539 --> 00:33:01,180
here in the UK, has got a
brand called Willow Farms.
584
00:33:02,059 --> 00:33:06,019
And if you buy the eggs, you'll
see Willow Farms and these...
585
00:33:06,140 --> 00:33:08,140
chickens scratching
about outdoors.
586
00:33:08,380 --> 00:33:11,019
And there might be flowers and
butterflies and stuff like that.
587
00:33:11,299 --> 00:33:12,860
There's no such
place as Willow Farms.
588
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,240
Willow Farms does not exist.
589
00:33:15,153 --> 00:33:18,120
The eggs come from
these huge factories.
590
00:33:18,705 --> 00:33:20,146
Willow Farms is just a brand.
591
00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:24,420
Those drawings aren't
based on reality at all.
592
00:33:24,700 --> 00:33:28,980
It's the story they tell because
it's the story we want to hear.
593
00:33:29,779 --> 00:33:32,980
And if someone like me
is rude enough to say...
594
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,440
actually, it's not like that.
595
00:33:34,579 --> 00:33:35,819
That's not the reality.
596
00:33:36,339 --> 00:33:39,660
It's not just the farmers and
the supermarkets that hate you.
597
00:33:40,140 --> 00:33:41,539
It's the consumers as well.
598
00:33:42,059 --> 00:33:43,860
People don't want
to hear that story.
599
00:33:43,980 --> 00:33:45,980
They don't want to
be told the reality.
600
00:33:46,220 --> 00:33:50,526
The food industry has followed
the tobacco industry playbook...
601
00:33:50,739 --> 00:33:54,033
to the letter, cast doubt
on the research...
602
00:33:54,106 --> 00:33:58,100
blame personal responsibility,
fund your own research...
603
00:33:58,180 --> 00:34:00,700
so you get the kinds
of results you want...
604
00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:08,046
fund groups that will support
you, fund nutrition societies...
605
00:34:08,579 --> 00:34:11,260
so they won't say anything
bad about your product...
606
00:34:11,659 --> 00:34:14,539
insist on being at
the policy table...
607
00:34:14,780 --> 00:34:18,633
and when all of that fails,
lobby and litigate.
608
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,160
That's the tobacco
industry playbook.
609
00:34:22,333 --> 00:34:24,493
It's staved off concerns about
610
00:34:24,505 --> 00:34:27,219
cigarette smoking
for 50 years...
611
00:34:27,340 --> 00:34:30,099
and the food industry
is doing much the same.
612
00:34:40,860 --> 00:34:42,411
So, Chris, bringing
up the date for
613
00:34:42,423 --> 00:34:43,900
the litigation of
the court case.
614
00:34:44,659 --> 00:34:46,539
Well, we won the first round...
615
00:34:46,900 --> 00:34:49,613
but there's no injunction
granted on the footage.
616
00:34:50,420 --> 00:34:52,846
They had a 28-day period...
617
00:34:52,940 --> 00:34:55,099
and unfortunately they
didn't decide to appeal.
618
00:34:55,219 --> 00:34:56,847
It seems like they
want to drag this
619
00:34:56,859 --> 00:34:58,640
whole thing out
as long as possible.
620
00:34:59,659 --> 00:35:02,220
And by the time we're able
to release the footage...
621
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,000
if ever, it's going to be old...
622
00:35:05,420 --> 00:35:07,579
and they'll be able to say that
it's not relevant anymore.
623
00:35:09,179 --> 00:35:10,529
So it's a difficult
position, but I
624
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,193
don't think we
have a choice, but...
625
00:35:13,059 --> 00:35:16,059
That's a rather cynical abuse of
power and money, isn't it?
626
00:35:16,179 --> 00:35:17,179
Very much so, yeah.
627
00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:20,300
I mean, they're a massive
multi-million-dollar company.
628
00:35:21,059 --> 00:35:22,506
And at least we know one thing.
629
00:35:22,780 --> 00:35:26,659
What you do is on the
right side of history...
630
00:35:27,420 --> 00:35:30,493
and I often say that one day...
631
00:35:31,059 --> 00:35:36,100
when animal rights is enshrined
not just in the human heart...
632
00:35:36,740 --> 00:35:41,520
but also in legislation
and our behaviour...
633
00:35:42,460 --> 00:35:44,640
your fingerprints are going
to be on every page...
634
00:35:45,860 --> 00:35:48,093
and I can't wait for that
beautiful day to dawn.
635
00:35:51,659 --> 00:35:55,059
It is such an enormous empire
that we're up against...
636
00:35:55,179 --> 00:35:58,179
that has many billions
of dollars at their disposal.
637
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,573
They have the status
quo at their disposal.
638
00:36:00,820 --> 00:36:03,059
You know, it's considered
normal to eat animals...
639
00:36:03,539 --> 00:36:06,059
and extreme to
not eat animals...
640
00:36:06,179 --> 00:36:08,539
to not pay for animals
to be abused and killed.
641
00:36:09,139 --> 00:36:11,213
So we're up against all
these social norms...
642
00:36:11,820 --> 00:36:14,913
and an industry that is able
to spend billions of dollars...
643
00:36:14,980 --> 00:36:16,659
upholding those social norms.
644
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,220
When I walk inside
an intensive farm...
645
00:36:21,019 --> 00:36:22,699
I think that I'm going
to get used to it...
646
00:36:22,980 --> 00:36:24,940
because I've been doing this
for many years.
647
00:36:25,420 --> 00:36:27,780
And I use the camera
to protect myself really...
648
00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:29,179
to try and distance myself.
649
00:36:30,019 --> 00:36:31,240
And then you just can't.
650
00:36:31,573 --> 00:36:33,420
You know, you'll see an
animal who's in pain...
651
00:36:33,539 --> 00:36:34,693
who's lying on the floor.
652
00:36:36,179 --> 00:36:37,300
Not a rare sight.
653
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,440
And this animal is clearly
in the last throes of life.
654
00:36:41,740 --> 00:36:43,860
Whether that be a
chicken who's collapsed...
655
00:36:43,980 --> 00:36:45,940
because they're forced
to grow far too fast...
656
00:36:46,699 --> 00:36:50,340
or whether that's a pig who's
writhing around in agony...
657
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:51,413
whoever it is...
658
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,000
I just feel their pain...
659
00:36:55,100 --> 00:36:57,380
because how can you not, they're
right there in front of you?
660
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,080
and you feel an obligation
to do something about it...
661
00:37:01,780 --> 00:37:04,435
and so you times that by
the number of animals...
662
00:37:04,460 --> 00:37:06,380
who are being factory
farmed across the planet.
663
00:37:06,405 --> 00:37:08,533
And wherever you look, whether
that camera's in Italy...
664
00:37:08,820 --> 00:37:11,993
whether it's in Australia,
whether it's in Saudi Arabia...
665
00:37:12,386 --> 00:37:14,219
wherever that
camera's pointed...
666
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:17,053
it's the same over and
over and over again.
667
00:37:17,340 --> 00:37:19,099
It is that it's
kept so secret...
668
00:37:19,460 --> 00:37:23,300
and the industry relies
entirely on this secret-ness...
669
00:37:23,980 --> 00:37:26,099
on keeping
consumers in the dark.
670
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,360
I think that most people are
opposed to animal cruelty.
671
00:37:29,499 --> 00:37:31,059
They just don't know
that they're paying for it
672
00:37:31,179 --> 00:37:33,059
when they're buying
meat, dairy, eggs,
673
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,660
and other animal products.
674
00:37:36,579 --> 00:37:39,179
A lot of the time we
were going into farms...
675
00:37:39,231 --> 00:37:40,267
and slaughterhouses...
676
00:37:40,340 --> 00:37:41,353
middle of the night...
677
00:37:41,646 --> 00:37:44,106
knowing that we could be caught,
we could be charged.
678
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,466
And we would put
in hidden cameras...
679
00:37:47,820 --> 00:37:51,626
and try and capture
what was going on.
680
00:37:52,940 --> 00:37:53,946
You good?
681
00:37:56,380 --> 00:37:58,539
I've been to a number
of turkey farms...
682
00:37:58,564 --> 00:37:59,885
egg farms, chicken farms...
683
00:38:00,219 --> 00:38:02,780
which are bad enough,
as it is...
684
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,634
but there's something
about pig farms...
685
00:38:04,659 --> 00:38:07,420
that are a whole
other level of hell.
686
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,254
The moment you step into these
places, you smell...
687
00:38:20,619 --> 00:38:22,659
I mean, it's a smell that just
never leaves you.
688
00:38:22,780 --> 00:38:25,193
It never leaves your clothes,
it never leaves your skin.
689
00:38:25,246 --> 00:38:29,340
It is the smell of death,
it's the smell of fear...
690
00:38:29,460 --> 00:38:30,820
it's the smell of waste...
691
00:38:30,940 --> 00:38:32,960
because these animals are
living in their own faeces...
692
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,926
and urine, they are packed
tightly together...
693
00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:37,980
in small barren concrete pens.
694
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,399
And I came out of
that place on fire...
695
00:39:03,619 --> 00:39:06,380
I'd never seen anything
like that in my life...
696
00:39:07,099 --> 00:39:09,499
and it just changed me.
697
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,486
You know, I wanted to go
to all of these places...
698
00:39:12,539 --> 00:39:14,780
and just show people
what the hell was going on.
699
00:39:15,380 --> 00:39:17,539
We were going to pig
farm after pig farm...
700
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:20,755
dozens of them, and showing
the exact same kinds...
701
00:39:20,780 --> 00:39:23,380
of conditions in all of these
farms across the country.
702
00:39:25,179 --> 00:39:27,740
Something else that we captured
as part of that film...
703
00:39:28,420 --> 00:39:31,553
was the largest
slaughterhouse for pigs.
704
00:39:31,780 --> 00:39:34,179
We'd heard that they
were gassing pigs...
705
00:39:34,204 --> 00:39:36,764
that was their method of
stunning them before slaughter.
706
00:39:36,980 --> 00:39:39,786
They would send them into these
carbon dioxide gas chambers.
707
00:39:40,699 --> 00:39:42,594
There was no footage
anywhere in the world...
708
00:39:42,619 --> 00:39:43,626
that I could find.
709
00:39:44,179 --> 00:39:45,820
The only information
I could find about it...
710
00:39:45,940 --> 00:39:47,740
was the industry
saying that it was
711
00:39:47,765 --> 00:39:50,433
the most humane
method of killing pigs.
712
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,960
I am currently inside the top
of the gas chamber.
713
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,760
How this could
possibly be legal,
714
00:40:22,780 --> 00:40:24,753
how this could
be the standard...
715
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,560
how the industry can
turn around and say to...
716
00:40:28,604 --> 00:40:31,126
people that they care
about their animals...
717
00:40:31,619 --> 00:40:33,780
that they treat
their animals well.
718
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,194
It goes so deep, everything
from what's sprayed...
719
00:40:40,219 --> 00:40:43,920
on the crops that are grown
for feed for animals...
720
00:40:44,380 --> 00:40:47,695
the preventative use of
antibiotics on factory farms...
721
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:49,968
because of the terrible
conditions animals are in...
722
00:40:49,993 --> 00:40:52,135
the way the
pharmaceutical industry is
723
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,233
involved providing
those antibiotics...
724
00:40:54,380 --> 00:40:56,935
which is then having
huge downstream
725
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,800
effects as possibly
antibiotic resistance...
726
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,360
meaning...we won't be
able to take antibiotics
727
00:41:01,379 --> 00:41:03,420
if we have an
infection in the future...
728
00:41:03,659 --> 00:41:06,659
which would have huge and
dire consequences of course.
729
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,680
Antibiotics have two purposes
in intensive farming.
730
00:41:10,724 --> 00:41:13,813
First, they prevent the
spread of diseases...
731
00:41:14,046 --> 00:41:16,636
this is because we
have many animals
732
00:41:16,648 --> 00:41:19,099
in cramped spaces
next to each other...
733
00:41:19,219 --> 00:41:21,499
while sharing the same
genetics, by the way...
734
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,560
Second, the antibiotic
is facilitating growth...
735
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:29,753
because the body is able
to spend less energies to
736
00:41:29,882 --> 00:41:32,919
protect itself, since it's
supported by medications.
737
00:41:34,380 --> 00:41:36,486
You might think
you're getting seafood...
738
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:42,533
from a wonderful pure
water fjord in Norway...
739
00:41:42,820 --> 00:41:48,760
but actually that salmon might
be dosed with antibiotics...
740
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,615
it might be being
treated with various
741
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,160
kinds of anti-fungal compounds.
742
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,680
The kind of chemicals
that go into the...
743
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,740
aquaculture industry would
make your hair stand on end.
744
00:42:03,740 --> 00:42:08,095
In Scotland,
for example, huge oil drum
745
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,766
sized quantities
of formaldehyde...
746
00:42:11,900 --> 00:42:13,760
are being added to salmon pens
747
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,309
to control sea
lice infestations.
748
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:21,420
And that formaldehyde
is a known carcinogen.
749
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,626
People are actually eating
the meat from those...
750
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,146
animals, their bacon,
their ham, their sausages...
751
00:43:06,300 --> 00:43:08,780
is coming from these
typical factory farms...
752
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,260
where animals are in such
diseased and ill states...
753
00:43:12,699 --> 00:43:16,139
and you'd think that Covid would
have woken us up, wouldn't you?
754
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,113
Three in four
infectious diseases
755
00:43:19,260 --> 00:43:21,253
cross from animals to people.
756
00:43:21,619 --> 00:43:24,095
So that is the majority
of new infectious
757
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,920
diseases that are
coming across that way.
758
00:43:26,139 --> 00:43:29,260
Among the most dangerous
things that we are doing...
759
00:43:31,099 --> 00:43:35,579
is raising livestock
for food on these...
760
00:43:35,699 --> 00:43:40,420
industrial scale poultry, pig
and cattle operations.
761
00:43:41,260 --> 00:43:48,306
As one point of extreme jeopardy
to emerging diseases...
762
00:43:48,420 --> 00:43:52,573
I graduated from veterinary
science in 1984...
763
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:56,059
and avian Influenza was
considered a very rare disease.
764
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,580
However, as human population
has increased...
765
00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:02,780
the population of intensively
raised chickens...
766
00:44:03,139 --> 00:44:04,300
has also increased.
767
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,120
And that's facilitated
the amplification of...
768
00:44:07,187 --> 00:44:09,500
avian influenza,
causing extremely
769
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,213
high mortality in chickens...
770
00:44:11,406 --> 00:44:13,695
but the concern
there is it can also
771
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:16,320
mutate, cause
illness in people...
772
00:44:16,579 --> 00:44:21,575
and now we're seeing the
expansion and spread of H5N1...
773
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,634
that it's mutated such
that it's now causing...
774
00:44:24,659 --> 00:44:26,655
deaths in wildlife, and it's
775
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,480
entered the dairy
herd in the US.
776
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,686
New CDC report
on the first severe
777
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,360
human case of
bird flu in the US.
778
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,440
New cases of the
bird flu are raising
779
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,026
alarms among health officials.
780
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,495
53 confirmed human
cases across seven
781
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,040
states this year
alone...but this week...
782
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,875
the first person has died
from bird flu in this...
783
00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:48,255
country in that state.
The question then comes up...
784
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:49,895
okay...given that
this happened,
785
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,360
what is the risk
for everybody else?
786
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,973
The spillover of a virus from
a wild animal into a human...
787
00:44:56,539 --> 00:44:58,313
happens because
of opportunity.
788
00:44:58,806 --> 00:45:01,380
It doesn't happen because
the virus seeks us out.
789
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,474
A virus can't walk,
it can't run, it can't swim...
790
00:45:04,499 --> 00:45:05,506
it can't fly.
791
00:45:05,980 --> 00:45:06,994
it rides inside
792
00:45:07,019 --> 00:45:09,260
the cells of a cellular host,
meaning an animal.
793
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,860
And how does spillover occur?
It occurs because...
794
00:45:12,860 --> 00:45:14,886
usually because
human activity...
795
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,099
brings humans...
796
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,235
into contact with wild
animals that carry that...
797
00:45:19,260 --> 00:45:23,046
particular virus.
We hunt them, we trap them...
798
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,680
we kill them, we butcher
them, we eat them...
799
00:45:26,980 --> 00:45:30,033
or we take them alive and
we ship them around...
800
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,514
and in doing that, the virus
has an opportunity...
801
00:45:34,099 --> 00:45:37,460
to spill, to tumble into
the human host...
802
00:45:37,659 --> 00:45:41,973
and then if the virus is
lucky or it's very adaptable...
803
00:45:42,940 --> 00:45:45,860
it can take hold in a new host,
a new kind of host...
804
00:45:46,380 --> 00:45:49,114
and when a virus does
that and succeeds...
805
00:45:49,139 --> 00:45:51,480
in transmitting from
human to human and...
806
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:57,226
passes all around the world
the way SARS-CoV-2 has...
807
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,633
that virus has
achieved extraordinary...
808
00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:03,180
evolutionary success.
809
00:46:03,573 --> 00:46:05,946
It has won the
Darwinian sweepstakes.
810
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,435
It has gone from a virus
that had only a little...
811
00:46:09,460 --> 00:46:13,453
bit of habitat hiding in these
relatively rare animals...
812
00:46:13,646 --> 00:46:17,980
into a virus that is infecting
humans all over the world.
813
00:46:27,579 --> 00:46:30,275
Do we feed ourselves
in a sustainable and...
814
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,746
healthy way today in the
developed nations?
815
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,160
No, absolutely not.
It is clear that there is...
816
00:46:38,260 --> 00:46:43,755
a huge proliferation
of degenerative diseases...
817
00:46:43,780 --> 00:46:47,474
essentially people
choosing implicitly by...
818
00:46:47,499 --> 00:46:50,034
the way they choose to eat.
They choose to have...
819
00:46:50,059 --> 00:46:52,895
degenerative diseases.
From the environmental...
820
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,360
standpoint,
it is very similar...
821
00:46:55,385 --> 00:46:58,460
no, we are very much
not sustainable.
822
00:46:58,699 --> 00:47:01,940
You just asked a question
about whether...
823
00:47:02,019 --> 00:47:03,499
dietary advice is...
824
00:47:03,579 --> 00:47:05,619
influenced by food corporations.
825
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,706
The simple answer
is yes, of course.
826
00:47:09,340 --> 00:47:12,600
The best example
is the meat industry...
827
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:17,120
which for decades
has fought against any...
828
00:47:17,139 --> 00:47:20,499
suggestion that eating
less meat would be...
829
00:47:20,579 --> 00:47:22,940
better for health or
the environment...
830
00:47:23,013 --> 00:47:24,920
and has done that
quite successfully.
831
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,580
Is meat consumption going up?
832
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,240
It absolutely is and
it's set to go up...
833
00:47:29,260 --> 00:47:32,246
even further if you look
at the targets around...
834
00:47:32,271 --> 00:47:33,911
the meat industry...
835
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,646
and if you look at the tactics
amongst the meat industry...
836
00:47:38,780 --> 00:47:43,993
they are working with retailers
to target consumers...
837
00:47:44,260 --> 00:47:45,460
with precision...
838
00:47:45,485 --> 00:47:46,955
going after consumers who are...
839
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,480
actively reducing their
meat intake so there is...
840
00:47:50,499 --> 00:47:56,415
no mandate at the moment
within the meat industry...
841
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,594
to actively reduce meat
intake and switch across...
842
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:05,460
to more of a plant-based
horticultural strategy...
843
00:48:49,699 --> 00:48:51,179
High meat consumption is...
844
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,680
an environmental problem
without question.
845
00:48:53,980 --> 00:48:58,260
It's a health problem only in
countries where people...
846
00:48:58,380 --> 00:49:00,380
have enough money
to buy a lot of it.
847
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:02,795
Whether people
choose to eat meat...
848
00:49:02,820 --> 00:49:07,499
is another question entirely
and you don't have to eat meat.
849
00:49:07,699 --> 00:49:10,300
You can eat a perfectly
healthy diet without it.
850
00:49:14,340 --> 00:49:16,194
With all the problems in the
world, it's so easy...
851
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,720
to get overwhelmed like what
can I do as one person...
852
00:49:18,740 --> 00:49:20,380
to make a difference in...
853
00:49:20,659 --> 00:49:23,226
in global warming, and hunger...
854
00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:24,920
and deforestation,
in the Amazon...
855
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:26,906
and what people need to know...
856
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,560
is that what we put in
our mouths every day...
857
00:49:29,699 --> 00:49:31,332
can make an important
and a meaningful
858
00:49:31,344 --> 00:49:32,820
difference in all
of these things.
859
00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:35,880
It's why Vice
President Al Gore...
860
00:49:35,893 --> 00:49:37,355
who owned a cattle
ranch became a vegan...
861
00:49:37,380 --> 00:49:39,055
because he realised that's
where you can really...
862
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:40,133
make a difference.
863
00:49:40,157 --> 00:49:41,980
That it takes 14 times more...
864
00:49:42,094 --> 00:49:44,895
resources to make a pound
of meat-based protein...
865
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:46,008
than plant-based protein.
866
00:49:46,032 --> 00:49:47,235
That's 14 times more...
867
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,499
people that can be fed for the
same amount of resources.
868
00:49:52,940 --> 00:49:54,994
I've been doing research
now for almost 50 years...
869
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,275
and we were able to show
that when people...
870
00:49:57,300 --> 00:49:58,980
change their diet,
when they eat primarily...
871
00:49:58,980 --> 00:50:01,940
a plant-based diet, fruits,
vegetables, whole grains...
872
00:50:02,059 --> 00:50:04,219
legumes, soy products,
and so on...
873
00:50:04,340 --> 00:50:06,426
as close as possible to how
they come in nature...
874
00:50:06,900 --> 00:50:09,380
low in fat, low in sugar,
low in refined carbs...
875
00:50:10,019 --> 00:50:12,034
that our bodies have this
remarkable capacity...
876
00:50:12,059 --> 00:50:14,415
in many cases to
begin healing if we
877
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,080
stop doing what's
causing the problem.
878
00:50:16,179 --> 00:50:20,375
If you are going to have a
predominantly whole food...
879
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,600
plant-based diet we're
going to shift the...
880
00:50:23,619 --> 00:50:26,860
dial in terms of our health
and that of the planet...
881
00:50:27,260 --> 00:50:31,619
and that really means at
least 80% of our diet...
882
00:50:31,699 --> 00:50:34,820
needs to be whole
foods plant-based...
883
00:50:34,820 --> 00:50:38,499
and there's no limit to
how you can push that.
884
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:41,835
So being vegan
is the ultimate and...
885
00:50:42,133 --> 00:50:45,360
organisations all around the
world dietetic organisations...
886
00:50:45,499 --> 00:50:48,379
nutrition organisations,
medical organisations...
887
00:50:48,860 --> 00:50:50,940
the WHO it's all acknowledged...
888
00:50:50,940 --> 00:50:53,395
that for all stages
of life you can...
889
00:50:53,420 --> 00:50:55,619
achieve on your nutrition.
890
00:50:55,619 --> 00:50:57,213
A lot of athletes
are finding that...
891
00:50:57,260 --> 00:50:58,474
when they go to a
plant-based diet...
892
00:50:58,499 --> 00:50:59,699
that they perform
at a higher level.
893
00:50:59,900 --> 00:51:02,780
So it's a complete myth that
you need meat to be strong.
894
00:51:02,900 --> 00:51:04,193
In fact, it may be the opposite.
895
00:51:04,579 --> 00:51:06,900
I think healthy diets
are really simple...
896
00:51:06,980 --> 00:51:08,340
so simple that...
897
00:51:08,420 --> 00:51:10,975
the journalist
Michael Pollan can...
898
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,306
explain them in seven words.
899
00:51:13,340 --> 00:51:15,579
Eat food not too
much, mostly plants.
900
00:51:16,179 --> 00:51:17,780
That's really all
you need to know.
901
00:51:18,175 --> 00:51:19,535
A plant-based
diet provides all...
902
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,000
the nutrition that you need,
with the exception if you're...
903
00:51:22,025 --> 00:51:23,779
on a strict vegan
diet that you need
904
00:51:23,791 --> 00:51:25,300
to supplement that with a B12...
905
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,553
but, other than that,
it provides all the protein...
906
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,448
all the nutritional value,
and also it's low...
907
00:51:33,473 --> 00:51:35,381
in the things that
cause disease and high...
908
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:36,786
in the things that
are actually protected.
909
00:51:37,139 --> 00:51:38,660
What's good for you is
good for the planet.
910
00:51:39,019 --> 00:51:41,166
What's personally sustainable
is globally sustainable.
911
00:51:41,499 --> 00:51:43,659
People have to be
taught what to eat.
912
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,695
The ancestral
humans ate whatever
913
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:49,395
was available, but we're...
914
00:51:49,420 --> 00:51:51,120
not hunter gatherers anymore.
915
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,626
We're supermarket gatherers...
916
00:51:53,820 --> 00:51:55,915
and if you're in a supermarket
where there are...
917
00:51:55,940 --> 00:51:58,615
50,000 products available,
you have to be...
918
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,720
taught which ones to choose...
919
00:52:01,219 --> 00:52:03,815
and people who are
not taught eat junk
920
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,440
food because it
tastes better to them.
921
00:52:05,980 --> 00:52:08,034
Eighty-six percent
of the four trillion...
922
00:52:08,059 --> 00:52:11,194
dollars that we spent in the
U.S. last year were for...
923
00:52:11,219 --> 00:52:12,233
chronic diseases.
924
00:52:12,820 --> 00:52:14,159
Half of the American population
925
00:52:14,171 --> 00:52:15,740
today is diabetic
or pre-diabetic.
926
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,840
Big multinational corporations
spend billions of dollars...
927
00:52:18,860 --> 00:52:20,780
to try to find the
right combination...
928
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,839
of fat and salt and
sugar that are really
929
00:52:22,871 --> 00:52:25,099
going to activate
all those taste buds.
930
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,315
Statistically speaking,
eating plants is far better...
931
00:52:29,340 --> 00:52:33,866
for the human body
certainly than eating beef...
932
00:52:34,106 --> 00:52:36,794
eating meat, and
eating animal products
933
00:52:36,806 --> 00:52:39,699
in descending order of emphasis.
934
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,320
Red meat, especially
processed meat...
935
00:52:42,365 --> 00:52:45,619
has been linked with a
significant increased risk of...
936
00:52:45,740 --> 00:52:48,735
prostate cancer, breast cancer,
colon cancer...
937
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,406
heart disease, stroke,
and type 2 diabetes.
938
00:52:53,059 --> 00:52:55,066
So if there's one area
that people can make...
939
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:56,960
the most difference
in, it's cutting
940
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,428
out red meat from their diet.
941
00:53:36,019 --> 00:53:37,725
You know, these
biological mechanisms
942
00:53:37,737 --> 00:53:39,139
that cause chronic diseases...
943
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,920
are common to all these
different chronic diseases...
944
00:53:42,059 --> 00:53:44,539
so, the dietary
recommendations are not like...
945
00:53:44,606 --> 00:53:46,579
here's your diet
for heart disease...
946
00:53:46,579 --> 00:53:47,906
here's your diet for
prostate cancer...
947
00:53:47,940 --> 00:53:49,300
here's your diet for
type 2 diabetes...
948
00:53:49,420 --> 00:53:50,539
here's your diet
for Alzheimer's.
949
00:53:50,740 --> 00:53:52,460
It's the same diet
and lifestyle program...
950
00:53:52,619 --> 00:53:54,060
because they all
share the same...
951
00:53:54,420 --> 00:53:56,099
underlying biological
mechanisms.
952
00:53:56,340 --> 00:53:58,513
Things like chronic
inflammation,
953
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,080
oxidative stress...
changes in the microbiome.
954
00:54:01,099 --> 00:54:02,860
You know, we have 100 trillion
cells in our gut...
955
00:54:02,900 --> 00:54:05,300
that can cause a healthy
gut or a harmful gut...
956
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:06,873
and we're learning
more and more about...
957
00:54:07,219 --> 00:54:08,740
how this is part of
the underlying cause...
958
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,193
of so many chronic diseases.
959
00:54:10,740 --> 00:54:12,219
So when we
change all of these...
960
00:54:12,740 --> 00:54:14,380
diet and lifestyle factors...
961
00:54:14,699 --> 00:54:16,110
it affects all of
these underlying
962
00:54:16,122 --> 00:54:17,139
biological mechanisms...
963
00:54:17,260 --> 00:54:19,060
in ways that allow
our body to heal...
964
00:54:19,619 --> 00:54:21,975
and because these
biological mechanisms are...
965
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,873
much more dynamic
than we once realised...
966
00:54:24,179 --> 00:54:26,380
you can get better quickly
and you can get worse quickly...
967
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,001
depending on what you
eat and how you live.
968
00:54:28,933 --> 00:54:32,539
When you are transitioning
from having a meat-based diet...
969
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,435
it can feel overwhelming but...
970
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:40,400
actually it's about how
we learn to fall in love...
971
00:54:40,420 --> 00:54:42,539
with food again and I think
everybody really needs...
972
00:54:42,659 --> 00:54:45,553
to be doing that and once
you do that you realise...
973
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,440
you put a bit more effort
into the planning...
974
00:54:48,460 --> 00:54:53,386
of it and give it time to
become second nature...
975
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,715
A plant-based diet is the way
that, people have been eating...
976
00:54:56,740 --> 00:54:59,780
for thousands of years before
they had refrigerators...
977
00:54:59,900 --> 00:55:01,179
before they had factory farms...
978
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:02,460
before they had
the prosperity...
979
00:55:02,820 --> 00:55:04,740
to be able to eat
meat several times a day.
980
00:55:05,179 --> 00:55:08,460
So the paradox is that,
when people are starting...
981
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,114
to eat like us
and live like us...
982
00:55:10,139 --> 00:55:11,420
they're starting to die like us.
983
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:14,053
If they go back to their
older patterns of eating...
984
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,474
they're gonna be
much healthier...
985
00:55:16,499 --> 00:55:18,380
and it's a much more affordable
way to eat as well.
986
00:55:18,579 --> 00:55:21,473
Oh, the single most
important problem...
987
00:55:21,606 --> 00:55:23,045
is that people
eat too much of it.
988
00:55:23,539 --> 00:55:24,706
It's calories.
989
00:55:25,499 --> 00:55:27,019
Calories from everything.
990
00:55:28,380 --> 00:55:31,420
I mean, 75% of
American adults...
991
00:55:31,499 --> 00:55:32,955
are overweight or obese...
992
00:55:32,980 --> 00:55:35,573
20-30% of American children.
993
00:55:35,780 --> 00:55:37,059
That's a calorie problem.
994
00:55:37,659 --> 00:55:40,255
You know, when you switch
from a typical American diet...
995
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,200
or a typical European diet, to a
whole foods plant-based diet...
996
00:55:43,219 --> 00:55:44,653
you're actually getting
a double benefit.
997
00:55:45,099 --> 00:55:47,674
You're not only reducing
the intake of foods...
998
00:55:47,699 --> 00:55:49,940
that are harmful,
but you're also getting...
999
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,634
thousands of other substances
that are protective...
1000
00:55:52,659 --> 00:55:54,846
that have anti-cancer,
anti-heart disease...
1001
00:55:55,019 --> 00:55:56,460
and even anti-aging properties.
1002
00:55:56,619 --> 00:55:59,420
So for a long time,
public health...
1003
00:55:59,499 --> 00:56:02,820
advocates have advised
against eating...
1004
00:56:02,900 --> 00:56:05,553
a lot of meat,
the advice is not to stop...
1005
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,080
eating meat,
but just to eat less of it...
1006
00:56:08,219 --> 00:56:10,306
and the meat industry
opposes that quite...
1007
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,641
forcefully and effectively.
1008
00:56:13,992 --> 00:56:15,696
Theoretically,
we do have a chance
1009
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,613
to mitigate the impact
of climate change...
1010
00:56:18,972 --> 00:56:20,735
but we have to act soon.
1011
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:24,000
We can't wait too much longer
because we're starting to...
1012
00:56:24,033 --> 00:56:26,760
set changes in systems
that it's going to be...
1013
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,480
impossible to reverse
unless we act quickly...
1014
00:56:29,505 --> 00:56:33,093
and...we really need our
politicians and our...
1015
00:56:33,219 --> 00:56:36,699
very big corporate entities
to work together...
1016
00:56:36,780 --> 00:56:40,300
for the benefit of all of us,
including the environment.
1017
00:56:46,313 --> 00:56:50,673
There's no way we would
have a liveable future.
1018
00:56:51,179 --> 00:56:52,740
We would have a
sustainable planet.
1019
00:56:53,420 --> 00:56:57,113
We would have
met our climate goals
1020
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,000
without reducing our
meat, dairy, and eggs.
1021
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:02,614
There's no way.
1022
00:57:03,013 --> 00:57:05,433
That is very
clear scientifically.
1023
00:57:05,579 --> 00:57:11,160
The question is how do
we make this happen...
1024
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:15,080
culturally and politically
and economically...
1025
00:57:15,860 --> 00:57:17,659
that is the challenge.
1026
00:57:18,380 --> 00:57:21,539
Changes have to mostly
begin from the bottom up.
1027
00:57:21,980 --> 00:57:23,460
You have to persuade people.
1028
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,395
Anybody who does
anything that involves...
1029
00:57:25,746 --> 00:57:28,875
persuasion or talking about the
world has to think about...
1030
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,440
these things and help
people be persuaded
1031
00:57:31,460 --> 00:57:33,186
to make choices
for themselves....
1032
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,520
And I think it's like throwing
a pebble into a lake.
1033
00:57:37,300 --> 00:57:39,780
You don't realise
where the waves are...
1034
00:57:39,900 --> 00:57:41,900
going to end or what
impact it's going to have.
1035
00:57:43,820 --> 00:57:47,255
In the 70s, for example,
my friend Peter Singer...
1036
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,440
wrote a book called
Animal Liberation...
1037
00:57:50,260 --> 00:57:55,619
and that book didn't make
a big impact immediately...
1038
00:57:56,740 --> 00:57:57,820
but now...
1039
00:57:58,460 --> 00:58:00,615
I can't think of
anybody in the activist
1040
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:01,920
movement who
hadn't read the book...
1041
00:58:02,179 --> 00:58:04,460
or hadn't been
profoundly affected by it.
1042
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,760
I spend most of my life
either studying or...
1043
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:14,120
teaching or writing about
philosophy and more...
1044
00:58:14,139 --> 00:58:15,726
specifically ethics.
1045
00:58:17,380 --> 00:58:21,273
I'm probably best known
for my book Animal Liberation...
1046
00:58:21,579 --> 00:58:25,099
which was first
published in 1975.
1047
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,800
There was almost nothing
that was ever published,
1048
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,958
up to 1970,
about factory farming.
1049
00:58:32,900 --> 00:58:34,327
I know that there
were people who
1050
00:58:34,339 --> 00:58:35,820
read it and were
influenced by it.
1051
00:58:35,940 --> 00:58:38,699
For example, Ingrid Newkirk,
co-founder...
1052
00:58:38,724 --> 00:58:40,600
of people for the Ethical
Treatment of Animals...
1053
00:58:40,660 --> 00:58:45,379
the largest radical animal
organisation in the world.
1054
00:58:47,706 --> 00:58:51,175
When you're in a community
that doesn't do...
1055
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,726
anything much for animals,
it's hard to break.
1056
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:56,113
I think it's important
now that there...
1057
00:58:56,140 --> 00:58:58,780
are communities of people
who are vegans and...
1058
00:58:58,900 --> 00:59:00,855
who are...effective altruists.
1059
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,099
That is another movement
that is important here...
1060
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,399
and that makes it easier
for any individual...
1061
00:59:05,747 --> 00:59:09,066
to be vegan or animal activist
or effective altruist...
1062
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,800
We have changed people's
attitudes about what...
1063
00:59:13,820 --> 00:59:16,219
they wear, what they eat,
what they buy, and how...
1064
00:59:16,340 --> 00:59:17,940
they entertain themselves.
1065
00:59:17,940 --> 00:59:19,740
We've stopped all car crash...
1066
00:59:19,860 --> 00:59:21,895
tests internationally
on animals.
1067
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:23,852
We used to slam...
them into walls.
1068
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:25,908
We've stopped NASA sending...
1069
00:59:25,933 --> 00:59:29,500
live animals into space.
We have introduced...
1070
00:59:29,780 --> 00:59:32,980
all sorts of vegan products
into the marketplace...
1071
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,960
and we have stopped
a lot of experiments that...
1072
00:59:37,086 --> 00:59:39,699
were absolutely
pointless, fruitless...
1073
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:40,720
but have a lot to go.
1074
00:59:41,180 --> 00:59:42,979
But I do think everyone
is on that journey.
1075
00:59:43,740 --> 00:59:45,013
Whether they
want to be or not...
1076
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,000
everyone's kind of on that
journey. And I think certain...
1077
00:59:47,019 --> 00:59:50,179
things like environmental
crisis will push us...
1078
00:59:50,420 --> 00:59:53,960
will push more people to
thinking, "What can I do?"
1079
00:59:54,139 --> 00:59:55,695
and there's not that
many things you can do
1080
00:59:55,775 --> 00:59:57,975
as an individual that
have a very big impact.
1081
01:00:00,940 --> 01:00:02,619
We've been around 80 years...
1082
01:00:03,019 --> 01:00:04,495
our founder, Donald Watson,
1083
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:05,760
actually coined
the term vegan...
1084
01:00:06,260 --> 01:00:08,335
and since that
point, obviously...
1085
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,420
we've kind of done a lot of work
to build veganism as a concept.
1086
01:00:15,380 --> 01:00:17,099
We also do a lot of
political lobbying...
1087
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:18,806
and talking to policymakers...
1088
01:00:19,019 --> 01:00:22,135
trying to encourage
them to choose vegan,
1089
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:23,640
as a kind of
compassionate solution.
1090
01:00:27,380 --> 01:00:29,780
In 2021, on the Earth Day...
1091
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,268
we launched in
Yunnan Province in
1092
01:00:33,293 --> 01:00:35,659
China, the China Vegan Society.
1093
01:00:38,380 --> 01:00:42,355
One important thing we
did was to try to come...
1094
01:00:42,380 --> 01:00:46,440
up, with the Chinese
word for veganism...
1095
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:48,206
and this character
has been around
1096
01:00:48,218 --> 01:00:49,594
for centuries and centuries...
1097
01:00:49,619 --> 01:00:50,860
but nobody
uses it anymore.
1098
01:00:51,106 --> 01:00:53,626
This actually means,
thriving plants...
1099
01:00:54,219 --> 01:00:58,380
so we used this as
the departing point...
1100
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:03,040
for us, to promote,
an entirely new narrative...
1101
01:01:03,260 --> 01:01:05,860
on veganism
in the 21st century.
1102
01:01:08,619 --> 01:01:11,940
Going from 25 members
to say 2 million people...
1103
01:01:12,059 --> 01:01:14,420
in the UK is big growth,
and I think it will...
1104
01:01:14,445 --> 01:01:16,085
always be hardest
at the beginning...
1105
01:01:16,420 --> 01:01:19,139
while it's a fringe idea
and a fringe philosophy...
1106
01:01:19,300 --> 01:01:21,395
many people go "Oh,
I don't want to be difficult...
1107
01:01:21,420 --> 01:01:25,099
I don't want to be strange
or unusual" on the sidelines...
1108
01:01:25,539 --> 01:01:26,780
and the more
people that do it...
1109
01:01:27,219 --> 01:01:29,179
the easier it should be.
So I would hope that...
1110
01:01:29,420 --> 01:01:33,074
when we get to the kind of 5%,
10% mark, we'll see...
1111
01:01:33,099 --> 01:01:35,446
quicker change because it
will become more normal.
1112
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:39,099
That's my optimistic,
idealistic vision.
1113
01:01:39,260 --> 01:01:41,800
We need to keep fighting
for the better world...
1114
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:43,920
which we know is possible.
And there are...
1115
01:01:44,019 --> 01:01:46,659
just so many people in the
world who want that...
1116
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:52,873
and who need it, that I'm not
assuming that...we're powerless.
1117
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,453
I think that's
wrong. I think that...
1118
01:01:55,820 --> 01:01:58,420
individually we can each make
a small contribution...
1119
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:01,040
and collectively that can be...
1120
01:02:01,539 --> 01:02:04,201
extremely important
and can really turn
1121
01:02:04,213 --> 01:02:06,619
things around over
the next decade.
1122
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,607
I would sincerely
hope that this film
1123
01:03:55,632 --> 01:03:58,052
achieves as many
viewers as possible...
1124
01:03:58,460 --> 01:04:03,260
who are willing to change their
diet into a plant-based one...
1125
01:04:03,659 --> 01:04:07,380
and the reason being so
that as an individual...
1126
01:04:07,900 --> 01:04:10,860
they improve their health
and medical condition.
1127
01:04:11,099 --> 01:04:13,647
Secondly, so that
as a global citizen
1128
01:04:13,659 --> 01:04:16,219
they contribute to
the environment...
1129
01:04:16,340 --> 01:04:19,699
and stave off the threat
of severe global warming...
1130
01:04:20,699 --> 01:04:24,460
leading to so many
natural calamities.
1131
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:28,320
And thirdly, so that
as a person of conscience...
1132
01:04:28,699 --> 01:04:31,260
they alleviate the
horrible suffering...
1133
01:04:31,380 --> 01:04:33,619
and cruelty to
millions of animals...
1134
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,160
that are slaughtered
every day...
1135
01:04:36,579 --> 01:04:42,380
to satisfy the desire of human
beings for meat and fish.
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