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Hi, darling.
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If I was to write a book and document
everything that I've experienced in
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the good, the bad, the ugly, it would
read like an amazing thriller, drama,
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war, crime, the full gamut.
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Known as the Capstan Queen, fashion
designer Camilla Franks has led an
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life, including building an
international clothing empire.
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The business has been my longest ever
relationship. We've grown up together.
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I threw myself into a world I knew
nothing about, and that was the fashion
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industry. So it was terrifying and
lonely, but I had a screw it, let's do
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attitude. So I love all these tonal
elements with the terracotta and the
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orange. My design process is to travel
and get off the beaten path and immerse
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myself into these wonderful cultures.
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Incorporating elements from her travels
into bold design.
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has won Camilla celebrity fans,
including Oprah Winfrey and Jennifer
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Having the brand where it is today, you
know, it brings me so much joy.
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But in 2018, Camilla suffered a life
-threatening illness.
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I was diagnosed with stage 3 breast
cancer.
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Although now recovered, the diagnosis
raised the possibility of Jewish
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I was told that I had this gene mutation
that usually happens in Jewish people.
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I had no idea about this potential
bloodline.
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We all want that sense of belonging and
it's something I crave.
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I think that finding out a little bit
about my bloodline will help me fill
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some of those holes that are in my
heart.
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Yearning for ancestral connection.
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I've missed out on so many years of not
knowing my family.
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Camilla encounters a feisty matriarch.
Please tell me she kicked their butt.
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That makes her a bigamist. Oh my God, I
love this woman.
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Confronts heart -rending trauma.
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Chronic mental disease and exhaustion.
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I really resonate with that.
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And on the other side of the world.
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Schmutter. Embrace the long -hidden
cultural heritage.
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It's literally in your blood. It's in my
blood.
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You want to do olive oil first?
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You can do anything first. Yeah, you can
do anything first.
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It's all about gut instinct, baby.
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Camilla Franks lives in Sydney with her
young daughter, Luna.
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I had Luna at the tender age of 41, I
think. I was put a geriatric.
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Mother.
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I wasn't happy about that.
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You feel you don't want to stuff the
fish?
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What do you mean?
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She's just a beautiful ray of light and
love in my life.
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Maybe there's enough tomatoes.
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I'll do all of them. You want to do all
of them? You know, becoming a mother,
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I've got a whole new respect for
heritage that I never had before.
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Born in Sydney in 1976,
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Camilla is the eldest of two children to
Bill Franks and Narelle Roberts.
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We definitely came from a very strong
family unit in my earlier years.
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We lived a really beautiful, wholesome,
colourful life, always travelling
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with mum and dad.
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My beautiful brother, Benny, who was the
shining light of my family, he
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passed away when I was 17.
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He was 14.
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My brother passing away, it made me want
to live the life for two.
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I felt the responsibility that I had to
really do my parents proud because they
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lost their son.
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I would describe my mum as a beautiful,
blonde, generous,
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manic, bohemian.
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Following Camilla's maternal line, her
mother Narelle was born in Newcastle,
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South Wales in 1946.
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Camilla's grandparents were Hewitt
Kingsley Roberts and Hilda May Meppam.
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Grandma Hilda, I was quite young when
she passed away.
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When I look at photographs of Hilda, I
see this woman that's adventurous, free
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-spirited, doesn't want to conform.
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She's horse riding.
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She's doing it her own way.
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I'm so curious to find if there's more
Hildas in my mix.
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Determined to track down other spirited
matriarchs in her maternal ancestry,
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Camilla has come to St Ives in Sydney's
north, where she sought out family
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historian and relative by marriage,
Philippa Meppam.
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First of all, I'd like to show you your
family tree.
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Right. This is you at the bottom, going
up through your mother to your
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grandmother, Hilda May Meppam. Grandma!
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Hilda comes from quite an interesting
line, which is your three -times great
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-grandmother, Phoebe Martin, she was
born in 1817 in Sussex, England.
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Okay. Phoebe, when she was 18, married
Benjamin Meppam.
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My brother who passed away, his name was
Benny.
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Isn't that crazy?
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That's interesting.
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They got married.
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in 1835 in October, and Benjamin Jr.,
your two -times great -grandfather,
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was born in December 1835.
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Shotgun winning.
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Fabulous. So Benjamin was also a farm
labourer and Phoebe was the farm
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so they would have been paid very
little. They didn't own land, so their
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prospects would have been bleak.
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In the 1830s, agricultural workers in
England were suffering from the impact
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industrialisation.
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Their plight was intensified by poor
harvests in 1837.
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For many, including Camilla's ancestors,
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emigration offered the only means to
improve their lives.
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Benjamin and Phoebe, your three -time
great -grandparents, with Benjamin Jr.
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They arrived in Sydney in 1839 on a ship
called the
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Strathfield Say.
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And this is the passenger list. I can
see the name there.
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Benjamin and Phoebe are right there. And
little Benjamin is three when they
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travelled.
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They had to go straight into labour or
they ran the risk of being destitute.
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But it was a means to an end because
farm labour is... earn in the colonies
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to £20 a year compared to £3 in England.
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Right, so that's a huge big jump in
salary.
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That is.
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Plus, they would have also had the
opportunity to buy land, which is why
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came.
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Oh, to meet you, Phoebe.
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Where is this going to take me now?
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Well, your next step is to go to the
Hunter Valley.
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I love the Hunter.
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Intrigued by her adventurous three
-times -great -grandmother, Phoebe
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Camilla has come to the Hunter Valley,
about 200 kilometres north of Sydney.
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This Hunter River region includes vast
alluvial plains which, for millennia,
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were occupied by the Wannerua people.
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By the time Phoebe arrived in the 1840s,
European settlers had already pushed
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the traditional owners, often violently,
to the periphery.
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It was here in the Belford region that
Camilla's three times great -grandmother
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came to live.
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Hi, Anne. Hi. Hi, I'm Camilla.
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And at Belford's Historic Church,
Camilla has asked social historian Dr
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Hardy for assistance.
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Well, I've got a document here. It's a
baptism record from 1844.
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It's five years after Phoebe has
arrived.
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Okay, so we've got Jane.
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Jane is Phoebe's daughter.
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Wait, she had Benjamin, so she's had
another child.
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She has.
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This document also shows the names of
her other children.
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You know, they're born at different
dates.
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Jane, John, Thomas, Ellen and Amelia.
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And parents' names.
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John and Phoebe.
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What happened to her other husband?
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Well, we don't know what happened to
Benjamin, Phoebe's first husband. She
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changed partners. She changed partners.
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Who is this John Nation?
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So we know that John was quite a
resourceful and successful businessman.
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He leased over 1 ,000 acres.
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Amazing. Called Belford Farm.
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He was a grazier and then he purchased
land.
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He sold half of it soon after he
purchased it and made quite a profit.
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Go Don!
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From all accounts, he was quite a good
father, partner.
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Interesting that having all the children
together, but they still never married.
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I love that about Phoebe.
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I mean, as someone that's never lived a
conventional life, it kind of...
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I think it might run in the family.
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Unfortunately, the good fortune turns in
relation to John and Phoebe's son,
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Thomas. It's a few years later.
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Oh, the Maitland Mercury.
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Thursday, March the 18th, 1858.
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Coroner's Inquest.
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An inquest was held at Belford Farm near
Black Creek on Monday last by Dr.
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Glennie on the view of the body of
Thomas Nation.
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Aged nine years and one month and five
days.
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The deceased had been accidentally
killed on Saturday afternoon by being
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from his pony against a tree.
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His amiable disposition will long be
remembered by those who knew him.
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Awful.
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I hate the idea that she lost a child.
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It's something no parent should ever
have to experience.
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I've just got another document to share
with you. It relates to an incident that
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occurred less than a year after the
death of Thomas.
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So this relates to John Nation.
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Death.
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Northern Times and Newcastle Telegraph,
January the 19th, 1859.
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At his residence, Belford, near Black
Creek, on Saturday the 15th, John
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age 44, an old and much -respected
resident of the district, leaving a wife
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six children to lament the loss of an
affectionate and loving father.
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Oh, Phoebe, you lost your man so soon
after Thomas.
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So that was another shocking loss. The
love of her life was gone.
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It's a lot, but it brings me comfort
knowing that John Nation provided
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support to her that she was well looked
after.
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Yeah, yeah. And then where to next?
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Did she find another partner?
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I hope so.
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Still in the Hunter Valley in New South
Wales, Camilla has come 20 kilometres
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down the road to Lockenvar.
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Hi, Camilla.
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Max. Welcome to Lockenvar.
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Meeting with historian Max Burns
-McCruvey, Camilla wants to know if her
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spirited three -times -great
-grandmother, Phoebe Meppam, prevailed
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tragic loss of her son and de facto
partner.
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Well, Phoebe's had quite a ride already,
huh?
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Surely the universe gives her a happy
chapter in all of this.
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Well, this document here, it's an
auction and it's for all sorts of
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and everything else at the very farm
that she was living on. The Maitland
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Mercury, Saturday, March 3rd, 1860.
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Highly important extensive clearing out
sale at the residence of the late Mr
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John Nation.
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The following valuable stock farming
implements machinery, harness and tools.
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The sole reason of their being brought
into the market is the consequence of
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Nation's family having to leave Belford
Farms.
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That land, it had a five -year lease.
Right. That's coming to an end.
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This lists a tiny bit of what's being
sold.
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Essentially, we get such a sense of how
successful John Nation and Phoebe were.
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Luckily, John has taken the step to make
sure that Phoebe and the family have
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somewhere to go that they own.
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I'm curious.
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Well, we are sitting amidst it, in fact.
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This is beautiful Lock and Bar.
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This was very well sought after land.
John has purchased some of it around
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Stunning. He's made sure that in his
will, that whilst Phoebe and her
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are going to be the inheritors, this
farm is going to be managed.
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And for that, he has appointed three
executives.
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And therefore, the income she's going to
receive is really at the hands of these
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executives to make sure that the farm is
profitable.
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So she doesn't really need to think.
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They get to manage the land for her and
she takes the profits from the land.
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Brilliant.
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So what's going to happen with Phoebe?
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I hope she finds love again.
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Well, we've got a whole new fella in the
mix. Oh, my God, I love this woman.
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His name is Thomas McDermott, a bloke
from Dublin. They marry in 1860, which
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a year after John's passing, and he is
28 years old.
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while Phoebe is 43.
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I love her.
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My grandma always loved the younger
boys. My mum loved the younger boys. I
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the younger boys. This is all making
sense to me now. It's coming together
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you.
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But what's a bit odd about that, she was
married to Mr Mepham and he's still
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very much alive.
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He won't pass away for another 20 years.
That makes her a bigamist.
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She doesn't give a damn, I don't think.
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So Phoebe, she's got the farm, she's got
a new marriage, but Thomas has another
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side to him.
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The Maitland Mercury, November 21, 1863.
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Oh, no.
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A violent character.
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On Thursday, a man named Thomas
McDermott was brought before the bench
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Maitland on a charge of threatening his
wife with firearms.
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When brought into court, he was
extremely violent and being a powerful
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constables were required to hold him.
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I hope it's an isolated incident.
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Well, unfortunately, it's not the one
-off. Oh, no.
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And we see a series of incidents.
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where Thomas seems to be a bit violent.
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The idea of her having to go through all
that is just shocking. It's just...
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That's upsetting.
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We also see a bit of a pattern where
Thomas is in and out of courthouses for
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drunkenness, and that could be a key
feature in all of this.
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He's not a John.
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He's no John Nation.
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Yeah.
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Oh, she shows wrong.
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While she's got these battles on the
home front with Thomas, she's got other
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battles that are looming that are going
to really show her strength, and you're
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going to find out more about that by
visiting the Supreme Court of New South
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Wales. Oh, this should be a film.
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It should be, yeah.
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I thought my life had a lot of bumps and
bruises, but Phoebe's taking me for a
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run.
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It does upset me a lot to know that she
went through domestic violence, but I
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definitely don't see Phoebe as a victim.
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She's really ballsy, she shows grit,
determination, and I'm looking forward
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unravelling the next part of the
chapter.
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Returning to Sydney...
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Camilla will discover an epic legal
battle with devastating consequences.
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Caftan Queen Camilla Franks has returned
to Sydney to discover what fresh battle
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her colourful three -times -great
-grandmother, Phoebe McDermott, formerly
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Mepham, must now confront.
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What a beautiful room.
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At the Supreme Court of New South
Wales... She's meeting with legal
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Julie Coulton.
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If we just place ourselves in 1863, that
is where this part of the story starts.
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Not in the Supreme Court, that will
come, but in the West Maitland
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It does involve both Phoebe and Thomas.
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The Maitland Mercury, Thursday, March
12, 1863, alleged housebreaking.
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William Bellinger was brought before the
West Maitland bench on Monday in
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custody to answer to this charge.
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The charge being that he has forced
entry into the home of the McDermott's.
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wielding a gun and he's threatening to
kill Thomas. Terrifying.
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Upon the officer calling the next
witness, Mr McDermott, Mrs McDermott
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forward.
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and said it was not her husband's wish
to press the charge as the prisoner was
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intoxicated at the time and had a wife
and small family.
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That's Phoebe.
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So she spoke on behalf of her husband.
She did. You can almost see her standing
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up. Pushing him to the side. She's a
woman with agency, that is for sure. And
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love this. The prisoner was intoxicated
at the time and had a wife and small
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family. So she's got compassion. And she
obviously is also married to an abusive
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alcoholic and so she sees the
similarities there. Yeah.
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Now, you recall that John Nation left
Will in 1859 and it was to take care of
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Phoebe and the children.
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Yeah. At that time, the estate was worth
£4 ,000, which was around half a
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million dollars in today's money. Wow.
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Yeah.
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So this was to be income for the family,
and he left three executors in charge
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of this estate.
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They're all eminent men around town, and
what happens, in fact, is that that
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does not go to plan.
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Oh, no.
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Oh, no is right.
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By 1865, we see that Phoebe and the
children,
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have lodged an application here in the
Supreme Court, where we are today, and
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their complaint, very loudly, is that
the executors are squandering the
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they are selling off the assets, and
they are investing the money for
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themselves. Oh, my God.
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She is seeking restitution. She wants
the money back, and she wants the world
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hear. what these men are doing. She's
very Erin Brockovich.
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She's so brave isn't she? Taking on
these men.
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This goes on for 10 years.
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This goes on. This becomes their life.
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I've been through that myself but it
lasted a year or two and it is so
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and gruelling.
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I admire her. Yes.
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And legal fees are so expensive.
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Very expensive.
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It's a war.
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of attrition, really, and the executors.
Their pockets were deeper.
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Ultimately, in 1875, the case that she's
brought against these executors...
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Please tell me she kicked their butt.
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What I can tell you is that the case is
actually dismissed.
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Phoebe and Thomas have run out of money,
and so they simply cannot prove what
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they need to prove.
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What happens then is that the sheriff is
ordered to go around and sell her home
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to pay the legal fees. It's a fire sale.
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It's so unfair.
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It's an undeserving end, actually, to
this chapter of her life.
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But there's another chapter.
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But there is another chapter. Please
give me a good chapter.
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So this is where we next find Phoebe and
Thomas. That is High Street Penrith.
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Penrith? Yes.
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Obviously, they've lost Lock and Bar, so
they move to Penrith.
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They rent in that area.
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It's a pleasant little settlement, but
it's not on the land. But it's not Lock
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and Bar. It's not Lock and Bar, no.
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This would be a very big change for
them. Yeah, very much so.
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The very next thing that we learn about
Phoebe is here.
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Tess.
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McDermott, November 30, 1903, at her
residence.
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Phoebe, the beloved wife of Thomas
McDermott, late of Lochenvar, aged 86
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He really loved her. And they were
together for quite some time. It's
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years, remembering it began in violence.
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It wasn't good.
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Despite Thomas's affliction, the
alcohol, somehow along the way, they've
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work. That makes me happy.
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Yeah.
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Oh, Phoebe.
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She had a really full life. She did.
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In all its colours.
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Yeah.
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It's interesting to see some of these
parallels that Phoebe and I have gone
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through, hers being a hell of a lot more
intense.
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And I really saw some similarities with
my grandma Hilda, her strength, her
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resilience, walking her own unique path.
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As someone that loves to meditate, I'm
going to have Phoebe at the forefront of
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that now, guiding me.
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Good girl. Oh, are you going to eat it?
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Delighted to have found another
inspirational woman in her maternal
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Camilla's now shifting her focus to her
paternal line.
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I remember always being daddy's girl and
being on his shoulders and fishing and
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all of that. But something changed.
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We've lost that connection.
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He's an amazing architect and creative,
but we don't understand each other.
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And there's a deep sense of sadness and
pain and longing to want to know him
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better.
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22, my auntie Marcia let me know that my
dad's father had committed suicide.
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It was sort of a hidden secret.
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Camilla uncovered another mystery in
2018 when she was diagnosed with cancer.
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She learned that she carries the BRCA
gene mutation, which has a higher
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prevalence in the Jewish population.
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In regards to my potential Jewish
bloodline, I know a big fat zero, but
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I'm so eager now to find out more.
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To resolve the question of her Jewish
ancestry, Camilla has recently taken a
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test.
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Hi. Hi, Camilla. Nice to meet you. Nice
to meet you too. Come on in.
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At the Sydney Jewish Museum in the inner
city suburb of Darlinghurst,
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genealogist Danny Haskey has Camilla's
results.
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My curiosity is bursting from every
theme, just that missing link.
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You know, I want to know about my own
human design.
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Absolutely. Well, we have your DNA
results.
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So, as you can see, you're 33 % English.
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Well, that makes sense because of my
mum's side being from Suffolk.
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Yep. And then you're...
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26 % Jewish.
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Yay, I'm part of the club.
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Can I give you a hug? So there are a few
different flavours of Jewish DNA
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and you are specifically Ashkenazi
Jewish.
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For the past 1 ,000 years, the Jewish
people have been grouped into two
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subcultures, Sephardic and Ashkenazi.
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The Ashkenazi's ancestors lived in
France and Central and Eastern Europe,
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Sephardic Jews originate from the
Iberian Peninsula, North Africa and the
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East.
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Geography aside, the two groups follow
the same tenets of Judaism, but have
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differences in religious custom and
practice.
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When I was diagnosed with breast cancer
and they told me about this hereditary
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bracketing mutation, they told me it was
related to Ashkenazi Jew.
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There is a higher prevalence of it in
Ashkenazi Jewish DNA.
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Because this was such a life -changing
diagnosis for me. Like, it's like this
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hunger and this passion and this urge
that wants me to meet who this has come
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from. Well, with the DNA that you
submitted, it allowed us to trace.
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Some of your family.
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Oh, my God. My heart's going 100 miles
an hour.
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So this is part of your Jewish family
heritage.
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Wow. So here you are down the bottom.
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Following her paternal line, Camilla's
father is William Leslie Franks, known
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Bill. Her grandfather was also William
Leslie.
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It's through him that Camilla's Jewish
heritage originates.
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So your grandfather, when he was born,
he was actually given the name Wolf
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Lazarus. I love that name. Why did he
change it?
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A lot of people anglicise their names.
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It's sad for me.
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Ethnicity is something to be celebrated
and it's just such a shame that I wasn't
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taught that as a young girl. I'm a
tender age of 48 now and I'm only just
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discovering this.
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Yeah.
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It's actually through your grandfather,
William Leslie.
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also known as Wolf Lazarus, we were able
to trace one branch of your paternal
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line and most of the people that you see
in this tree lived in one very small
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village. Where?
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Okay.
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So, Izbica Kozelska. Izbica Kozelska.
Izbica Kozelska. Do you know
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what country that is?
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Poland.
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Like right in the middle of Poland.
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Abica Kuszawska. Kuszawska.
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I'll get it. Since I'm from there, I've
got to get it.
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Travelling to the other side of the
world, Camilla will make a startling
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discovery about the family she has long
yearned for.
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Fashion entrepreneur Camilla Franks has
come to central Poland to learn more
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about her paternal family history.
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Located 200 kilometres west of Warsaw,
Izbica Kujawska is the heartland of her
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Jewish ancestry.
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It was only two days ago that I found
out that this is where my family was
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It's like this.
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hidden secret.
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I feel quite emotional being here and I
feel this sense of longing to want to
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know more about their stories.
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The first mention of Jewish residents
here dates back to 1662.
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Over the centuries, the Jewish
population in the town grew, reaching a
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around 1600, about half the town's
inhabitants, in 1939.
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At the local library, Camilla has
arranged to meet ancestry genealogist
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Heska, who's been digging into the
Polish archive.
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The Jewish community that your ancestors
were part of made a significant
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contribution to the area's economic
life.
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Back then, Jews were not permitted to
own land, so they had to find a way of
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making a living. So many of them became
merchants and traders, but many of them
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became artisans.
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Artisans? Yes.
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Some of your ancestors were actually
sailors.
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Wow!
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Wow! I always wondered where I got it
all from. It was written in the stars,
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wasn't it?
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We have traced your ancestors in Izbitza
back to your sixth generation.
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Here's the family tree.
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Wow.
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Wow.
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So you, your father, your grandfather,
to the sixth
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generation.
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to Mojzesz Topiński and Esther Abbas.
They were your four times great
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-grandparents. Wow.
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Mojzesz was born in about 1790.
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Their son was Nohim Topiński, your three
times great -grandfather.
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Nohim was a tailor.
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And he married Waja Sochaczewska.
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Nohim and Waja had 10 children.
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Wow. All born here in Izbica.
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And I have the first document here for
you.
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It's their eldest son's birth record. He
was your two -time great -grandfather.
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Written in Polish.
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Really? Amazing.
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I have a translation here for you.
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This happened in Izbitza on 30th of
January, 1863, at one o 'clock in the
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afternoon. Nokhan Topinski appeared, a
tailor, residing in Izbitza, 19 years
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00:33:05,940 --> 00:33:10,820
old, and he presented to us a male
child, declaring he was born in Izbitza
466
00:33:10,820 --> 00:33:15,160
23rd day of this month, seven o 'clock
in the morning, to his wife.
467
00:33:15,900 --> 00:33:19,060
Waja Sohacheska. Waja Sohacheska.
468
00:33:19,550 --> 00:33:23,510
20 years old. At the circumcision, this
child was given the name Wolf.
469
00:33:24,090 --> 00:33:28,550
My grandfather was Wolf Lazarus, and
we've got Wolf here.
470
00:33:28,930 --> 00:33:35,230
According to Ashkenazi Jewish naming
tradition, children were named after
471
00:33:35,230 --> 00:33:37,530
deceased ancestors and relatives.
472
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:44,530
So Wolf, your two -times great
-grandfather, he became a tailor as
473
00:33:44,670 --> 00:33:46,950
joined his father in his business.
474
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:54,900
And then when Wolf was in his upper
teens, something exciting was happening
475
00:33:54,900 --> 00:33:55,900
his life.
476
00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:00,060
Here's the record. And I have another
translation for you here.
477
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:06,520
This happened in Izbitza on 16th
December 1881 at three o 'clock in the
478
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:12,460
afternoon. The local rabbi appeared
together with Wolf Topinski, a bachelor,
479
00:34:12,460 --> 00:34:14,000
years and 11 months old.
480
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:20,540
and with Baila Bas, a maiden, 26 years
old. He, the rabbi, stated that today a
481
00:34:20,540 --> 00:34:24,920
religious marriage was contracted
between Wolf Topinski and Baila Bas.
482
00:34:27,980 --> 00:34:34,120
I was never told anything about my
lineage, and I just feel like I've
483
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,540
on so many years of not knowing my
family.
484
00:34:37,460 --> 00:34:42,199
I'm estranged from my father, so it just
makes me feel like there's...
485
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:48,080
A community of male ancestors that are
going to be holding me up.
486
00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:49,860
And that means a lot to me.
487
00:35:00,860 --> 00:35:01,480
This is
488
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:09,440
December
489
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,560
1881.
490
00:35:11,380 --> 00:35:12,880
A few months later.
491
00:35:13,450 --> 00:35:18,630
In 1882, Wolf and Baila left their home
and their country.
492
00:35:18,890 --> 00:35:20,050
And where did they go?
493
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:27,550
Oh, my God. They traveled some 1 ,500
kilometers to London.
494
00:35:27,870 --> 00:35:28,870
Oh, wow.
495
00:35:29,580 --> 00:35:34,000
We don't know exactly what motivated
your ancestors to leave.
496
00:35:34,220 --> 00:35:39,880
There might have been some knowledge of
persecution by the authorities.
497
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:45,480
The laws were being more and more
oppressive. But a lot of people left for
498
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:52,080
economical reasons too. The poverty, the
situation in Poland wasn't really very
499
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:53,080
bright.
500
00:35:54,000 --> 00:36:00,580
So as your two times great -grandparents
left their home, So did many other
501
00:36:00,580 --> 00:36:07,260
Jewish families, but a lot of them
stayed. And two generations afterward,
502
00:36:07,260 --> 00:36:09,940
events happened. World War II.
503
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:16,160
So there were about 1 ,000 Jewish
residents here in Izbitza at the time of
504
00:36:16,340 --> 00:36:19,760
They were rounded up and sent to death
camps.
505
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,760
None of them survived.
506
00:36:25,690 --> 00:36:30,930
The Jewish community never returned to
Izbica because they were all deceased.
507
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:37,550
If Wolf and Baila hadn't made the
decision to go to London all those years
508
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:40,050
my family now wouldn't exist.
509
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:42,270
That's right.
510
00:36:44,190 --> 00:36:50,390
So you may want to visit the site of the
former Jewish cemetery here in Izbica.
511
00:36:50,990 --> 00:36:56,750
The cemetery was destroyed in World War
II. The Nazis destroyed it. But there is
512
00:36:56,750 --> 00:37:02,550
a field that marks the site, and perhaps
you'd like to go there and think about
513
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:06,310
your other ancestors who were buried
there.
514
00:37:06,530 --> 00:37:11,010
Jewish people take stones and pebbles to
the cemetery.
515
00:37:11,530 --> 00:37:16,230
Oh, my gosh. I've been collecting stones
since I was a little girl.
516
00:37:16,670 --> 00:37:17,770
I mean...
517
00:37:18,650 --> 00:37:20,630
It all comes together. It all comes
together.
518
00:37:26,290 --> 00:37:31,690
I find it crazy to me that this has
never been spoken about in my family.
519
00:37:38,590 --> 00:37:44,690
In the last 48 hours, I've learnt more
about me than I've ever known.
520
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:54,380
Just the thought of all my family
members that would have been buried
521
00:37:55,740 --> 00:37:57,200
It's emotional.
522
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,600
I've constantly got goosebumps.
523
00:38:05,620 --> 00:38:10,940
I've got this whole family that I didn't
know actually existed and they come
524
00:38:10,940 --> 00:38:11,940
from tailoring.
525
00:38:15,790 --> 00:38:19,990
Following the story of her Jewish two
-times -great -grandparents, Wolf and
526
00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:24,390
Baila Topinski, Camilla's now travelling
from central Poland to London.
527
00:38:29,090 --> 00:38:34,610
In London's East End, she sought out
social historian David Rosenberg... Hi,
528
00:38:34,610 --> 00:38:35,830
Camilla. Hi, David.
529
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:41,190
..to find out whether the lure of a
brighter future in England's capital
530
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:42,190
off.
531
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,920
Wolf and Byler, they were making a new
life here.
532
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,600
I'm going to show you a document which
takes us into the next generation.
533
00:38:52,820 --> 00:38:57,840
So this is the birth certificate of your
great -grandmother, Sarah.
534
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,960
Following Camilla's paternal line, her
great -grandmother was Sarah Levy,
535
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,560
sometimes known as Sadie.
536
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:08,920
She was born in East London in 1882.
537
00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:13,080
the first child of Wolf Topinski and
Baila Bass.
538
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:18,920
Like so many other migrants, when they
arrived, Wolf and Baila changed their
539
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,920
family name to Levy.
540
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:23,020
Other name changes followed.
541
00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:31,280
So you can see the father is Wolf, your
great -great -grandfather, and his
542
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,500
wife in the old country was called
Baila.
543
00:39:34,940 --> 00:39:40,980
But here, it's a peculiar spelling. And
I know from another document I'm going
544
00:39:40,980 --> 00:39:43,120
to show you that her name is Rebecca.
545
00:39:43,900 --> 00:39:48,160
That's a big change. And that's a big
change. And Rebecca is one of those
546
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:49,780
biblical Jewish names.
547
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:56,220
Your great -grandmother, Sarah, she was
born the year after they have arrived.
548
00:39:57,020 --> 00:39:58,720
25 Old Castle Street.
549
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:04,040
Yeah, Old Castle Street is right in the
heart of where the Jews were settling.
550
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,820
In East London. In East London.
551
00:40:06,620 --> 00:40:13,480
Between 1880 and 1914, London's small
Jewish population was transformed by
552
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:18,860
the arrival of 150 ,000 Eastern European
and Russian Jewish refugees.
553
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,120
Fleeing economic hardship and religious
persecution...
554
00:40:24,380 --> 00:40:27,500
Up to 70 % settled in London's East End.
555
00:40:28,900 --> 00:40:33,640
Here, they established a vibrant
community and the streets rang with the
556
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:34,940
of Yiddish -speaking traders.
557
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:41,780
I love knowing that they really lived
with their community and their tribe.
558
00:40:41,860 --> 00:40:44,980
Having their people around them would
have brought them a lot of comfort.
559
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:51,300
And it says here that Wolf is still a
tailor. Yeah, yeah. So tailoring was
560
00:40:51,300 --> 00:40:57,670
common. area of work, the largest of the
trades that the Jewish immigrants were
561
00:40:57,670 --> 00:41:02,150
doing in East London. And the tailoring
was done in workshops.
562
00:41:02,950 --> 00:41:07,870
They were often in the basement of
houses, or if you had a shop front, it
563
00:41:07,870 --> 00:41:10,010
be in a very cramped room behind.
564
00:41:10,430 --> 00:41:14,330
And they often had between 10 and 25
workers.
565
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:16,970
These were very bad conditions.
566
00:41:17,690 --> 00:41:23,310
This is the next document I wanted to
show you. This is from the census of
567
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:25,230
Rebecca. Yeah.
568
00:41:25,870 --> 00:41:29,870
Rebecca Levy, your great -great
-grandmother. Baila.
569
00:41:30,610 --> 00:41:33,230
Yes. And then I see all these children
here.
570
00:41:33,450 --> 00:41:38,630
And that's where we find Sarah, the
first daughter, your great -grandmother.
571
00:41:38,770 --> 00:41:43,670
There's four daughters here and there
was a fifth one born after this census.
572
00:41:44,010 --> 00:41:45,010
Right.
573
00:41:45,210 --> 00:41:46,450
And then what's this?
574
00:41:47,970 --> 00:41:49,010
Sarah Scholar.
575
00:41:49,470 --> 00:41:54,790
That's Sarah, your great -grandmother.
She went to the Jews' Free School. I'm
576
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:56,190
going to show you a photo.
577
00:41:56,850 --> 00:41:58,330
Have a look at that. Wow.
578
00:41:59,550 --> 00:42:01,090
Look at their little outfits.
579
00:42:01,530 --> 00:42:02,890
What does it say here?
580
00:42:03,230 --> 00:42:05,450
That says child's pinafore.
581
00:42:05,730 --> 00:42:08,190
So they're learning how to make
pinafore. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
582
00:42:08,490 --> 00:42:13,190
Right, okay. They're learning about the
trade of textiles from this age.
583
00:42:13,450 --> 00:42:18,550
Yes, yes. The school was very geared
towards preparing them for work.
584
00:42:22,650 --> 00:42:29,070
So this is the last document and it's
particularly about Wolf Levy, your great
585
00:42:29,070 --> 00:42:30,770
-great -grandfather.
586
00:42:31,230 --> 00:42:33,230
Certified copy of an entry of death.
587
00:42:33,570 --> 00:42:40,440
Yeah. Wolf Levy, male, 33 years old. He
was so young. And he
588
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:41,440
passed away.
589
00:42:41,940 --> 00:42:46,440
On 26th of October, 1897, cause of
death, stasis.
590
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,240
Stasis, hypostatic pneumonia.
591
00:42:49,620 --> 00:42:53,300
That's the glorified way of saying TB,
tuberculosis.
592
00:42:53,620 --> 00:42:56,660
Right. And TB was such a killer.
593
00:42:57,020 --> 00:42:58,940
in the East Bend in that period.
594
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,380
Because of the work conditions?
595
00:43:00,740 --> 00:43:01,740
I suspect so.
596
00:43:02,140 --> 00:43:04,400
And it's really contagious, so like
COVID.
597
00:43:04,620 --> 00:43:09,120
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very confined
conditions are its favourite climate for
598
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:14,060
spreading. It makes me sad because he's
taken such big risks and shows such
599
00:43:14,060 --> 00:43:19,880
resilience to kind of travel across the
world and to here to find himself
600
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,080
working in really a sweatshop, which
takes his life.
601
00:43:23,950 --> 00:43:28,630
And I can't help but think that Rebecca
would have been left with five children.
602
00:43:28,670 --> 00:43:29,670
Yes, yes.
603
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:30,770
That's terrifying.
604
00:43:31,110 --> 00:43:35,990
Yeah. Well, if you go to the Princelet
Street Synagogue, very near here, I
605
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:39,810
people there will be able to tell you
more about what happened to your family
606
00:43:39,810 --> 00:43:40,810
after this.
607
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:49,670
I've been coming to East London for work
for years.
608
00:43:50,540 --> 00:43:56,260
It's been the hubbub and the melting pot
for textiles and beading and embroidery
609
00:43:56,260 --> 00:43:57,260
and laces.
610
00:43:58,740 --> 00:44:05,520
Now it's not just a professional link
for me, it's a bloodline link. It makes
611
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,440
realise that I'm meant to be walking
this crazy, wild, adventurous journey of
612
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:10,440
fashion.
613
00:44:11,220 --> 00:44:16,300
Staying in London's East End, Camilla
will confront her family's generational
614
00:44:16,300 --> 00:44:17,300
trauma.
615
00:44:25,070 --> 00:44:30,290
Kaftan Queen Camilla Franks is in
London's East End, pursuing the story of
616
00:44:30,290 --> 00:44:34,690
Polish -Jewish ancestors, appropriately
a family of tailors.
617
00:44:36,330 --> 00:44:42,570
Her two -times great -grandfather, Wolf
Levy, died in 1897, leaving his wife and
618
00:44:42,570 --> 00:44:43,610
five young daughters.
619
00:44:46,110 --> 00:44:50,290
Camilla's hoping that by learning more
about these ancestors, she'll gain
620
00:44:50,290 --> 00:44:52,830
insight into her relationship with her
father.
621
00:44:55,340 --> 00:44:59,880
To do so, she's come to the Princelet
Street Synagogue, established in the
622
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:01,240
1870s.
623
00:45:02,180 --> 00:45:06,020
I love it that this is the first
synagogue that you've been in. Yeah.
624
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,220
And what a special one it is.
625
00:45:09,140 --> 00:45:14,160
Here, she's enlisted the help of writer
and historian Dr Rachel Lichtenstein.
626
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:19,260
So we're going to pick up the story with
Rebecca, your great -great
627
00:45:19,260 --> 00:45:20,260
-grandmother.
628
00:45:20,650 --> 00:45:25,750
To be without her husband, Wolf would
have been incredibly tough because I
629
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:30,950
imagine they were living in dire poverty
like most in the Jewish community were
630
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:31,990
in this area.
631
00:45:32,330 --> 00:45:35,450
So let's have a look at this document.
632
00:45:36,250 --> 00:45:39,930
This is a census from 1901.
633
00:45:40,510 --> 00:45:41,510
So this is Rebecca.
634
00:45:41,650 --> 00:45:45,490
There you've got her, Rebecca Levy. And
she's 39 there?
635
00:45:45,710 --> 00:45:46,930
39 years old.
636
00:45:47,210 --> 00:45:48,129
And Sarah?
637
00:45:48,130 --> 00:45:50,210
Her daughter, your...
638
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,240
Great -grandmother. She's 18.
639
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,780
And Esther, Rachel, Celia and Annie.
640
00:45:57,060 --> 00:45:58,360
That's a lot of girls.
641
00:45:58,720 --> 00:45:59,920
It's a lot of girls.
642
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:05,320
Your great -grandmother, Sarah, here.
Can you see what she's working as?
643
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:06,880
Tailoress.
644
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,500
Amazing. And how about her sisters?
645
00:46:11,460 --> 00:46:17,500
Fur machinists and ladies tailoress. So
they were involved in what was...
646
00:46:17,660 --> 00:46:19,660
commonly known as the shmutter trade.
647
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,540
Shmutter. Shmutter, which is the Yiddish
word for kind of rag.
648
00:46:24,820 --> 00:46:29,600
Wow. But it really means everything
connected to the tailoring trade.
649
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:36,760
It's so cool to think that all these
beautiful females worked in the
650
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,640
same world that I live and breathe.
651
00:46:39,020 --> 00:46:40,340
I had no idea.
652
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:41,640
It's incredible.
653
00:46:41,660 --> 00:46:43,640
But it really makes sense to me now.
654
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,320
It's literally in your blood.
655
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:46,660
It's in my blood. Yeah.
656
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,600
So let's see what we've got next here.
657
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,100
Sarah, your great -grandmother.
658
00:46:57,340 --> 00:47:03,200
A certified copy of an entry of
marriage. And the year is 1908.
659
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:09,520
So Sarah, or Sadie Levi, marries Hyman
Frank.
660
00:47:10,100 --> 00:47:12,180
So we've got the Franks name now.
661
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:13,379
That's right.
662
00:47:13,380 --> 00:47:19,420
Right. And Hyman is an outfitter. He was
measuring up gentlemen's suits.
663
00:47:20,350 --> 00:47:21,550
Maybe a pattern cutter?
664
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:28,590
Married, solemnized at Spitzel Square
Synagogue. We're very
665
00:47:28,590 --> 00:47:31,690
close to the Spitzel Square Synagogue.
It no longer exists.
666
00:47:32,130 --> 00:47:36,610
This synagogue is called the Princelet
Street Synagogue and it's the only
667
00:47:36,610 --> 00:47:43,250
surviving Ashkenazi Jewish synagogue
erected by Polish Jewish immigrants
668
00:47:43,250 --> 00:47:44,250
like your family.
669
00:47:44,650 --> 00:47:47,230
I wonder if my family experienced...
670
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:48,600
Praying in here?
671
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:54,220
It's very, very possible. They might
have worshipped here or come here for
672
00:47:54,220 --> 00:47:55,660
mitzvahs or other celebrations.
673
00:47:56,540 --> 00:47:57,540
That's wild.
674
00:47:58,020 --> 00:47:59,520
I am blown away.
675
00:48:02,940 --> 00:48:09,320
Just a few months after your great
-grandparents get married in 1908,
676
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,340
a boat travelling to Sydney.
677
00:48:11,780 --> 00:48:14,680
An incredible journey to make.
678
00:48:15,390 --> 00:48:17,170
They were brave and bold, for sure.
679
00:48:17,530 --> 00:48:19,470
I wonder why they wanted to leave.
680
00:48:19,850 --> 00:48:21,010
Lots of people did.
681
00:48:21,470 --> 00:48:27,070
Anti -Semitism or... It could have been,
but there was great poverty as well.
682
00:48:27,350 --> 00:48:31,410
They're leaving for a brighter future.
Again, this seems to be a common theme
683
00:48:31,410 --> 00:48:32,348
my family.
684
00:48:32,350 --> 00:48:33,530
Again, absolutely.
685
00:48:34,670 --> 00:48:41,310
They arrive in Sydney and then they move
to Newcastle. Mum and Dad were brought
686
00:48:41,310 --> 00:48:43,550
up in Newcastle, so that makes sense to
me.
687
00:48:44,030 --> 00:48:48,830
There was a small Jewish community
there, and there was a Lithuanian rabbi
688
00:48:48,830 --> 00:48:50,770
moved to start up this community.
689
00:48:51,130 --> 00:48:58,070
That's where Wolf, your grandfather, was
born. So this Lithuanian rabbi
690
00:48:58,070 --> 00:49:03,110
was probably the rabbi that circumcised
your grandfather, Wolf.
691
00:49:03,630 --> 00:49:04,630
It's possible.
692
00:49:06,990 --> 00:49:10,270
And then I'm afraid the story does take
a darker turn.
693
00:49:10,570 --> 00:49:11,570
Oh.
694
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:14,740
This is a death certificate.
695
00:49:15,420 --> 00:49:21,340
Hyman Frank, 44 years, so young. So
young.
696
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,720
Hospital for the Insane in Gladesville.
697
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,900
Wow. What does this say?
698
00:49:29,180 --> 00:49:32,300
Chronic mental disease and exhaustion.
699
00:49:33,980 --> 00:49:36,280
I really resonate with that.
700
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,240
Who knows what trauma he experienced?
701
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:48,220
in his short life, whether he had also
come from Poland or Russia during that
702
00:49:48,220 --> 00:49:50,180
time, whether he had inherited trauma.
703
00:49:50,700 --> 00:49:51,700
Oh, God.
704
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:54,920
That's awful.
705
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:56,960
Awful, awful.
706
00:49:58,740 --> 00:50:04,720
What is so crazy about this document is
my grandfather, Wolf Lazarus, committed
707
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:05,720
suicide.
708
00:50:05,900 --> 00:50:11,280
Oh. So... That inherited, inherited
trauma.
709
00:50:11,580 --> 00:50:16,530
Mm. And I struggled with depression like
ten years ago and I couldn't quite put
710
00:50:16,530 --> 00:50:22,530
my finger on it. But now, you know, you
don't just get the good, you get the bad
711
00:50:22,530 --> 00:50:23,850
too. It doesn't discriminate.
712
00:50:24,750 --> 00:50:25,890
It doesn't.
713
00:50:27,970 --> 00:50:34,970
And poor Sadie, Sarah, being left in
Newcastle. She's left on
714
00:50:34,970 --> 00:50:38,390
her own in this strange country with a
young child.
715
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,040
Let's end on a happier note.
716
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:44,320
Yay.
717
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:46,600
So here she is.
718
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:51,320
Here is Sadie, your great -grandmother
some years later.
719
00:50:51,740 --> 00:50:53,500
I finally got a photograph.
720
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:55,140
Yeah. Hi, Sadie.
721
00:50:55,540 --> 00:51:00,400
She got married again. She found a new
life for herself. She had a new family.
722
00:51:00,700 --> 00:51:05,020
And this is the picture of her at the
wedding of one of her sons.
723
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,020
I'm seeing...
724
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:12,060
Like a mixture of my uncle and my dad.
725
00:51:12,460 --> 00:51:17,640
But what's crazy is with DNA, you always
think of the physical, but now there's
726
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,020
so much more to my DNA than just the
physical.
727
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:22,280
So much more.
728
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:24,880
It's nice to meet you, Sadie.
729
00:51:37,900 --> 00:51:44,320
Learning more about my ancestry, it's
definitely making me reflect
730
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,320
on my relationship with my father.
731
00:51:51,260 --> 00:51:56,600
I think it's in some ways created a bit
more acceptance for me.
732
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,860
Does it mean that I'm going to open the
door? Maybe not.
733
00:52:02,300 --> 00:52:05,500
But, you know, you can always love
someone from afar.
734
00:52:11,370 --> 00:52:15,850
My Jewish bloodline is something to be
nurtured, loved and celebrated.
735
00:52:18,750 --> 00:52:25,670
The beauty of this is being able to
teach my daughter about this and that
736
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:26,670
is such a gift.
737
00:52:29,210 --> 00:52:34,290
All of those experiences my ancestors
have gone through, the risk -taking, the
738
00:52:34,290 --> 00:52:39,670
adventuring, the bumps and bruises, all
those challenges become our biggest
739
00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:40,670
teacher.
740
00:52:41,260 --> 00:52:44,400
That is one of the most empowering
lessons I've learned on this.
741
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:51,920
My blood is filled with their spirit,
their determination, sticking the middle
742
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,940
finger to conformity and fear.
743
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:59,220
And that's why I'll continue to walk my
own path unapologetically.
744
00:53:04,860 --> 00:53:08,980
Next time on Who Do You Think You Are?
Indians get around, don't they?
745
00:53:09,220 --> 00:53:10,220
They do.
746
00:53:10,410 --> 00:53:14,390
Journalist Mark Fennell finds a
generation traumatised by war.
747
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:16,890
Shit, I've heard this story passed down.
748
00:53:17,470 --> 00:53:19,390
It's so much worse than I imagined.
749
00:53:20,310 --> 00:53:23,070
And unearthed tales of forbidden love.
750
00:53:23,390 --> 00:53:24,470
This is scandalous.
751
00:53:24,910 --> 00:53:26,090
It is Romeo and Juliet.
752
00:53:26,310 --> 00:53:29,210
It really is. It is, yeah. And tragic
loss.
753
00:53:29,570 --> 00:53:30,570
Oh, no.
754
00:53:30,670 --> 00:53:32,150
She dies from squalor.
755
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:33,470
Yeah.
756
00:53:44,620 --> 00:53:51,200
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757
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:58,200
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758
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