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I was looking through the peephole of
the glass.
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As I was watching Dr.
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King, I saw him look over toward the
boarding house.
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And then whenever he looked back, like
he was going to look into the parking
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area, that's when he'd come up off of
the grating, and that's when he was
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I would say I was the only one that saw
him get shot, actually get shot from the
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front.
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And it's not no pleasant sight.
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I felt very bad inside that this had to
happen in Memphis, Tennessee.
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The shame of fireman George Lonecky
watching Dr. Martin Luther King through
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police spy hole at the moment of his
death was soon to be shared by many as
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weight of world condemnation came down
on the city of Memphis on the 4th of
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April, 1968.
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This was the killing of a major world
figure.
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How could they have allowed it to
happen?
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There were even suspicions that the
Memphis authorities were accessories to
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murder and involved in a cover -up.
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Over 20 years later, the man convicted
of King's murder, James Earl Ray, still
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protests his innocence.
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In this film, we show new evidence that
there was indeed a conspiracy and that
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the trail leads into the heart of
government itself.
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position is that you are completely
innocent? Yes.
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I don't have no responsibility for it.
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I did commit certain, they probably
considered criminal offenses, but they
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nothing serious. I probably wouldn't
have got over five or ten years for
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aggregated.
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Would you say that those criminal
offenses were related to the case?
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No, most of them are related. I escaped
from Missouri prison in July 1967 and
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went to Canada.
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Most of them are related. They have
false driver's licenses and fictitious
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and all that type of thing.
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There's nothing really serious.
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Obviously, an individual had to pull the
trigger.
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I'm not 100 % sure if it would be James
Earl Ray. I really don't see how that
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could be the case. It's possible, but I
don't believe. I believe there was
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involvement by James Earl Ray.
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The magnitude of the bombing, I don't
know. I think there were a number of
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forces. I always say the forces of evil.
Who that represented, I really don't
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know. I would hope that it wouldn't be
the government.
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You see, when there's an assassination,
you have to have a lone nut.
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Because a lone nut can kill somebody for
no reason.
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If you admit that three or four people
were involved or that there was, to use
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an overworked term, conspiracy, then you
have to say, well, the conspiracy had a
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reason. Well, they don't ever want to
face that reason. What was the reason
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Kennedy was killed? What was the reason
why King was killed?
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By having a lone nut, you don't have to
ask that question.
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We concluded that James Earl Ray was, in
fact, the person who murdered
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Dr.
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Martin Luther King.
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We also felt that in all probability
there was a conspiracy.
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However, we were unable to name any
conspirators.
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I still have a dream. It is a dream
deeply rooted in the American dream. I
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a dream that one day this nation will
rise up.
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Live out the true meaning of its creed.
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We hold these truths to be self -evident
that all men are created equal.
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By the early 1960s, the government was
publicly supporting Martin Luther King.
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Privately, they targeted him as a threat
to the stability of the United States.
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President Kennedy said on one occasion,
mankind must put an end to war.
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A war.
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will put an end to mankind.
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The world must hear this.
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I pray God that America will hear this
before it is too late, because today we
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are fighting a war.
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I'm convinced that it is one of the most
unjust wars that has ever been fought
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in the history of the world.
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By 1968, King's stance on the Vietnam
War and his plans for a poor people's
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march to disrupt Washington... put him
on a collision course with President
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Lyndon Johnson.
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When King came to Memphis in the spring
of 1968 to support the city's striking
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garbage workers, he led a march which
ended in violent disarray. The National
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Guard was called in, and an atmosphere
of tension and fear hung over the city.
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We've got some difficult days ahead, but
it really doesn't matter with me now,
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because I've been to the mountaintop.
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After leaving a trail of false
identities, small -time crook James Earl
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arrested at Heathrow Airport in London.
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He was brought back to the States and
sentenced to 99 years after pleading
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guilty to King's murder.
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With a trial that lasted only two and a
half hours, suspicions were raised.
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Was the verdict rushed through to cover
up a conspiracy?
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I don't give a continental damn whether
there was a conspiracy or not. Well, Mr.
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Pullman, did you ever ask your client
whether he was a part of a conspiracy,
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whether he'd been hired?
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No, I never asked him that, but I asked
him enough other questions to convince
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me that he was not.
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Did you ever feel that you could ever do
more than save his life? Never at any
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time, and so told him from the day I
came in.
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When Foreman came in the case, he was
off for a trial, at least he pretended
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be, and everything went okay up until
sometime in February of 1969. We were
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going to trial up until then, and one
time he came in with the...
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Paper one mean signing saying that you
know, we enter a guilty plea He give me
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list of reasons why we should enter a
plea He also said the newspapers done
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convicted me by pretrial publicity So I
told him I didn't think that was the
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grounds for an inner guilty plea because
I thought we could Overcome some of
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this adverse publicity during your
trial.
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He is the next gamut was that if I
didn't enter a guilty plea they might
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brother Jerry Ray in prison for as a co
-conspirator.
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He also indicated to defy forced him to
trial, he wouldn't put forth his best
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efforts. Are you actually stating that
you never recommended to Mr. Ray that he
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plead guilty? I have so stated, I state
again, I never have recommended to any
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client. I did tell him the facts as I
saw them. I told him I thought he would
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convicted. I told him I thought he would
be executed.
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And I had to tell him that because that
was the truth.
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Foreman's assertion that he didn't
coerce Ray into a guilty plea is belied
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the letter he wrote to him on the eve of
the trial.
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Foreman's fee was coming from a book
contract.
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Ray asked for $500 so that his brother
could hire a new lawyer.
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Foreman agreed, quote, contingent on the
plea of guilty going through without
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any unseemly conduct on your part in
court.
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So Mr. Foreman came to see me, and we
discussed it, and I told him that I
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as in every case, where appropriate,
accept a guilty plea.
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on the basis of a 99 -year sentence.
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I talked to the governor of Tennessee,
the United States Attorney General, the
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Department of Justice.
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I did this as a matter of courtesy. They
did not ever interfere with the way I
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conducted the prosecution of the case.
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It's only recently become apparent that
there was a conflict of interest in the
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court's appointment of Hugh Stanton Sr.
to assist Ray's lawyer, Percy Foreman,
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in Ray's defense.
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Stanton had also acted as lawyer for the
state's chief witness against Ray,
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Charles Stevens.
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Did you ever consider that Hugh Stanton
was in a conflict of interest
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because he'd also represented Charlie
Stevens?
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Was that ever considered?
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No, as a matter of fact, I believe
you're right that Mr. Stanton did.
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I believe Mr.
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Stevens finally got somebody else. I
don't know, but no, we didn't consider
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any... You're telling me something that
I...
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If that's a fact, I had forgotten it.
But whatever it was, nothing came up to
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bother us about it.
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Dr. Bill Pepper is James Earl Ray's
current lawyer. As a journalist in 1967,
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wrote a major article on the effect of
the war on the children of Vietnam, and
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this brought him into contact with Dr.
King.
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Disturbed by the circumstances
surrounding Ray's trial, he's been
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investigating the assassination ever
since.
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I think it's quite clear that...
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The first suggestion of a guilty plea
was made by co -counsel Stanton on
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December 18th, the very day he was
appointed.
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He was appointed co -counsel in the
morning, as I recall from the record,
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o 'clock that afternoon he was already
in the prosecutor's office having had a
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quick word with Percy Foreman suggesting
that James Earl Ray should plead guilty
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and the state should accept that plea.
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It is also, I think, quite clear that it
was...
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around 60 days later, when James had the
subject broke to him by Percy
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Foreman at that point in time.
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The effect of the guilty plea was to
prevent the state's case against Ray
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scrutinized in public.
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In our view, that case is seriously
flawed.
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The state's case is that at 6 .01 p .m.
on April 4, 1968... In Memphis,
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Tennessee, James Earl Ray shot Dr. King
with one bullet from a high -powered
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rifle. King was standing on the balcony
of the Lorraine Motel.
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The state said that Ray fired from the
bathroom window of a rooming house 200
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feet away.
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He then fled the scene, dropping a
bundle, including the rifle with his
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on it, in a shop doorway.
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Then he drove off in his white Mustang
down Main Street moments before the
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police arrived.
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James Earl Ray had been almost a year on
the run from the Missouri State
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Penitentiary where he'd been serving a
20 -year sentence for robbing a
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supermarket. Ray claims that in July
1967, he met a mysterious character
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Raoul in Montreal.
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Over the next eight months, he carried
out various assignments for Raoul.
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taking packages across the Canadian and
Mexican borders for money.
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Raoul gave Ray $2 ,000 to buy a Mustang
car.
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In late March 1968, Ray says that Raoul
instructed him to purchase a rifle and
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bring it to Memphis as a sample for a
gun -running deal.
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Ray says that at 3 p .m. on April 4th,
he rented a room in a flophouse on Main
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Street, as previously agreed with Raoul.
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Later, Raoul asked Ray to leave while he
met up with gun dealers.
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So I went down and got the Mustang.
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I don't know what time it was that time.
I guess it was 10 minutes to 6.
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My recollection may be wrong. I drove, I
thought it was three, four blocks north
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and three, four blocks west and stopped
at the service station and asked them to
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fix the tire, if they could fix the
tire. And this guy was, he said, no,
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too busy this time of day. So then I
drove around. I was going to circle
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back and park the car at the same place
that I'd picked it up.
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When I got back up there, I'm...
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I think there was a squad car blocked
off the street. Now, I don't know if
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right there at the intersection or he's
about halfway down, but the street was
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blocked off, and I seen two, three
people running around out here. So I
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well, I better not go down there.
There's a police running around here. So
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turned left, drove down to a
predominantly black section. So after a
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got on to a main street, and I was going
to call this telephone number in New
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Orleans and find out if they could
contact Ronald and see if anything
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out here, because I thought maybe there
was guns around there.
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It's some type of raid or something.
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Anyway, when I was driving out there,
they said something about the... I had
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radio on. It said something about Martin
Luther King had been shot.
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I didn't think too much about that. And
then about 10 minutes later, when I was
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on the outskirts of Memphis, or maybe I
was actually in Mississippi, it said
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that they were looking for a white man
in a white Mustang in connection with a
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shooting. So I decided then that I'd
better, you know, move on out of there.
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drove on and cut off and went to
Atlanta. And from Atlanta, I, you know,
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to Canada, caught a bus.
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For 20 years now, Ray has claimed that
he was framed for the assassination of
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Dr. King by Raoul, who, he believes, was
a professional gunman.
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If the assassin had fired the shot from
the bathroom window, he would then have
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had to get out of the bath, put the
rifle in its box, run to his room to
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the bundle.
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then run 85 feet across the hallway, go
down the stairs, drop the bundle in the
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shop entrance before walking to his car
and driving away.
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All rather implausible. It would have
required split -second timing before the
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first policeman arrived at the scene.
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Veteran assassinations investigator
Harold Weisberg has obtained more FBI
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documents on the King case than anyone
else. He was one of the first people to
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cast doubts on the state's case against
Ray in his book, Cover Up. That's
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ridiculous.
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He's required to have gone to his room
in the flop house and picked up the
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widest collection of junk.
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Bobby pins.
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Bobby pins.
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Cans of beer that hadn't been opened.
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You know, a guy has been a crime like
that and he's fleeing for his life.
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going to pick up a couple cans of beer
or a bobby pin?
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The box didn't hold the rifle. He had to
put the rifle in that. All sorts of
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other junk. A ridiculous collection of
it.
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The one thing that that bundle served to
do was to point a finger at Ray.
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We were in the fire station when we
heard the shot.
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One of the first policemen to arrive at
the balcony was Sheriff's Deputy Vernon
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Dollarhite.
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Officer Maley and I proceeded north on
Mulberry to Hewling Street.
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We turned west on Hewling and ran up
towards Main.
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and there's an alley behind the
buildings where the shot was fired from.
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I directed Officer Maley to take up a
position there.
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He was armed with a shotgun and a pistol
and guard the alley.
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I proceeded on up to Main Street.
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I turned to go south on Main Street,
checking those buildings.
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I proceeded on south, checking all the
doors of all the establishments.
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There's one place called Jim's Bar and
Grill. The door was open. I entered the
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building, and I told them there'd been
some trouble.
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Everybody stay inside, and I backed out
of the building. At that time, I
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observed a rifle, a blue suitcase, and a
green blanket laying on the sidewalk.
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Did you see the package with the rifle
when you went into Jim'sville? I did
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After I came outside, I turned to my
right.
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Facing south, I immediately saw it.
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I feel sure that I would have observed
it as I came down the sidewalk because
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was very noticeable and I would have
seen it.
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How long were you in Jim's Grill?
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Not more than 10 to 12, 15 seconds at
the most.
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Three different policemen have claimed
to be the first to find the weapon.
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Astonishingly, even after 20 years, this
question remains unresolved.
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But the fact is that Dollahite was
certainly in Main Street within less
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minutes of the shooting.
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I think it's very significant that a
bundle of the alleged murder weapon
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appeared within two minutes on the
street after the assassination.
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I think it's also significant that he
didn't see it the first time that he
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out. And it is very possible that...
Someone was lying in wait in the
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entranceway to the rooming house and
then only came out and dropped it
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after he went into Jim's grill.
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Do you think that person was the
assassin or was it somebody else?
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I don't believe that person was the
assassin.
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I believe that the person who dropped
the bundle in all likelihood had a very
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specific role to play and it was placing
the bundle there. I don't believe the
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assassin was in the rooming house at
all.
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and that this is just a part of
disinformation.
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So where do you believe the shot was
fired from?
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After considering this issue over many
years and balancing the variety of
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factors, I think it's quite likely that
the shot was in fact fired from behind
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the rooming house, under the cover, and
from within the cover of the brush on
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the bushes. It's the rear of the rooming
house.
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Solomon Jones, King's chauffeur, was
standing under the balcony when King was
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shot.
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I interviewed Solomon Jones in the lobby
of the St. Joseph's Hospital
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approximately about 7 .05.
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This was a story he told all of us. As
soon as the shot was fired, he looked
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over the limousine. He saw a sniper with
a white sheet on his face ducked back
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down into the bushes.
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A few seconds later, he rose out of the
bushes without the sheet, walked to the
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wall, jumped down from the wall.
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And you must understand that other
people were coming out of the fire
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the same time, jumping from the wall.
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Solomon said the person he saw in the
bushes joined in with the people jumping
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from the wall, jumped from the wall,
walked on the premises, and he said he
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scared. New York Times reporter Earl
Caldwell was staying in motel room 215
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he heard the shot.
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What I saw, this man just very clearly
rise out of these bushes. He was in sort
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of a...
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crouched, stooping position.
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I did not see a weapon in this man's
hands, but I saw this figure directly
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across from the motel. And also, of
course, the man in the bushes was a
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man. From the day of the assassination
until this day, no police, no FBI agent
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has ever come to me and said, what did
you see?
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The only person the state named who
identified Ray as the man who left the
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rooming house after the shot was Charles
Quitman Stevens.
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Good customers.
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Bought a lot of beer in my place.
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Got drunk every day that I bought it.
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On the day of the shooting of Martin
Luther King, he came downstairs in the
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afternoons. Come down, I'd just gotten
to work at 4 o 'clock, so come down
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4 .10 after I'd arrived at work.
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He was too drunk for me to sell him
beer, then arrested, so I sold him two
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quarts of beer to go.
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We tracked down cab driver James McGraw,
who got a call to pick up Stevens from
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the rooming house that day.
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Mr.
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Stevens, what do you think of that
picture? Does that look like the man?
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Well, from the glimpse that I got of his
profile, it
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doesn't.
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It doesn't? No, sir. It certainly
doesn't.
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For one thing,
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he's too heavy. His face is too full.
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He has too much hair.
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and his nose is too wide.
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So, Stevens was drunk that afternoon and
failed to identify a picture of Ray.
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Yet he was regarded as such an important
witness that he was kept in protective
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custody for weeks before the trial.
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After Ray's conviction, Stevens claimed
the $185 ,000 in reward money. His claim
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was rejected.
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This is probably the most crucial
exhibit in the case. The rifle is so
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guarded by the authorities that it's
never been filmed before.
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Where's the evidence that this rifle
killed Dr. King?
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We invited one of the most renowned
ballistic experts in America, Herbert
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MacDonald, to review the ballistics
evidence in the actual bathroom from
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the shot is alleged to have been fired.
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He's using an identical rifle.
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I'm standing on the floor and the
bathtub is no longer in this physical
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configuration. With this setting, with
this scope on this rifle and that window
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at three and a half inches, I'm looking
partially into the window.
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But that only cut the light down very
slightly. I have a very excellent view
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the balcony.
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With this scope, it would be an easy
shot for someone like myself who knows
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how to breathe and position themselves
for a shot and to very gently squeeze
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trigger.
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An inexperienced person, it would be a
more difficult shot, considerably more
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difficult, especially standing in the
bathtub.
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There was no evidence that Ray ever
fired a rifle in his life.
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That's a mechanical skill, and to be a
good shot, you've got to keep it in just
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like a constant pianist or a constant
violinist practices daily.
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The only piece of physical evidence that
appeared to link the rifle to this
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bathroom was a dent in the windowsill.
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That is the exact width and length of an
indentation that I examined in the
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windowsill in Memphis in 1974.
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The dent, therefore, since it has no
microscopic characteristics...
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It has no individual characteristics and
certainly does not reflect either the
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geometry or any of the microscopic
scratches on the barrel.
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They just would not be reproduced.
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This dent could never have been made by
this weapon.
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And the point about the dent is that it
was used to demonstrate as evidence that
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the rifle was fired from this room.
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They fed the dent from the rifle on the
window sill, therefore it was fired from
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this room. That's ridiculous.
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That does not prove anything.
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I took several pictures of the bullet,
including every land and groove.
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This is just one of them. I had been
told that the bullet was so badly
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that identification would be impossible.
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There is a great amount of lands and
groove area for comparison.
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I would say that the FBI's decision not
to test fire the rifle.
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When they want to see if a projectile
came from a specific rifle, it was a
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poor case of judgment.
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Their reasoning that it was mushroomed
and distorted so badly that it was
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unsuitable for comparison purposes is
absolutely ludicrous.
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It had excellent characteristics, and
they should have tested it.
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Was the FBI's failure to test the weapon
just incompetence, or, more ominously,
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are we beginning to pull back the veils
of conspiracy and cover -up among the
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authorities?
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Consider the actions of the Memphis
Police Department.
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Usually when a king would come to
Memphis, well, even I, if
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he was at the church or something, we
would, maybe I'd have maybe 20 men
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that block.
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He had plenty of security.
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He was coming, we'd have men at the
airport to meet him, and we tried to
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him more security than we could give
him.
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If security was always supplied to Dr.
King, why was the seven -man police unit
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attached to him stripped away only 24
hours before the assassination?
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Under close questioning from the House
Assassinations Committee, Memphis Police
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Director Frank Holliman denied that he
had authorized the removal or had known
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about it at the time.
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On top of that, it's a matter of public
record that three 12 -man police
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tactical units were pulled back five
blocks from the vicinity of the Lorraine
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Motel on the morning of the
assassination.
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Now, on this occasion, the tax car units
were withdrawn at some point on the day
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of the 4th of April, weren't they?
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No, my cars was never withdrawn.
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Well,
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April 4th?
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No, we still had cars in the area.
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Wasn't it some suggestion that they were
pulled back at the request of one of
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Dr. King's party, that they were pulled
back a number of blocks?
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No, to my knowledge now, and all the way
they've been pulled back was on
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my command.
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Philip Melanson, author of the recent
book The Merkin Conspiracy, has made a
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special study of the issue.
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I questioned Sam Evans about the
withdrawal of the tactical units because
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was a very important matter.
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Evans told me clearly and forcefully
that the tactical units were withdrawn.
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at the request of the Reverend Samuel
Kiles, a man in King's entourage, and
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he, Evans, had received the order, the
request from Mr. Kiles, and had acceded
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to it. And he told me that flatly two
years ago.
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Could Melanson's book refresh Sam Evans'
memory?
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No, I didn't pull my man back.
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Why is Sam Evans now being evasive on
this important issue?
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Is it because the official excuse for
removing the tax cars just does not ring
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true?
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For someone in the SCLC to have
instructed, quote -unquote, the Memphis
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to move back those tactical units would
be laughable in that situation.
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And it's absurd to think that the
Memphis Police Department would have
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to that request. These tactical units
were riot control forces that were there
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to keep the lid on the Lorraine and
monitor King.
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And if he or anybody in his party had
told them to move back, I think they
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have increased the surveillance net or
begun to look more sharply for trouble.
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It's unthinkable that they would simply
be that accommodating.
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Colonel Fletcher Prouty was chief of
special operations for the Joint Chiefs
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Staff at the Pentagon in the 60s. When
Kennedy was killed, Prouty resigned,
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suspecting an enemy within.
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The policemen are taught to go to where
there's been a murder and solve the
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murder. And just consider either of the
Kennedy cases or the King cases, the
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thing you notice most is that the police
stood with their hands down and did
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nothing.
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There were no on -the -spot detectives.
There was nobody really looking into the
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ballistics. There was no one checking
any of the things that the police would
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have gotten into in the first place.
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So there's where you begin to see the
cover -up patterns. Somebody has told
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police department, stay away from this.
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Now, they don't tell them that way.
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They say, look, because this was Mr.
King in town, we have a special group of
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Secret Service or a special group of
whatever here. And so the police think,
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well, that's covered. We're not needed.
But in any event, they're away.
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In Dallas, I know for a fact myself that
there was an army unit we intended to
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use in Dallas for protection on the
streets, simply to watch everybody,
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the windows, watch everything.
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The commander of that army unit had
received a call, a very simple call,
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we don't need your unit. He knows there
are other units, so he thinks they're
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going to use somebody else's unit.
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The next day he found out there were no
units there. Well, it's too late then,
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you see. Who made the call to that
colonel?
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In Memphis, there is evidence that the
secret service did influence the
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activities of the police.
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Ed Redditt was a detective in a
surveillance post at the fire station.
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You could see the back of the back, and
you could see all of the courtyard of
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Lorraine, like the office, the whole bit
from there, all the way down to the
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corner of the building. You could see
everything around Lorraine.
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Then Lieutenant Arkin arrived and stated
that I was wanted at the headquarters.
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I said, for what? He said, I don't know.
He said, get in the car. Let's go. I
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was told to bring you back.
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As I viewed the room, there appeared to
be numerous law enforcement people from
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all of the various agencies, local,
county, state, and nationally. Director
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Frank Holliman stated that the man
standing across from me was a secret
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from Washington, stating that there was
a contract out on my life.
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At that time, he told an archer to take
me home and wait until someone arrived
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to guard me.
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Once we arrived at my house, while
seated in the car awaiting the security
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me. Being there, I imagine, on more than
five or ten minutes, the radio by
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Assault .King had been shot.
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From various sources, we've been able to
piece together that the information
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about the assassination attempt on
Detective Redditt did indeed come direct
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Chief Holloman from a Secret Service man
in Washington.
446
00:30:20,390 --> 00:30:24,510
This departmental communication reveals
that by 4 .15 that afternoon...
447
00:30:24,700 --> 00:30:28,300
Lieutenant Arkin of the Memphis Police
Department had been alerted by a phone
448
00:30:28,300 --> 00:30:32,220
call from the FBI that the assassination
threat attributed to Redditt was a
449
00:30:32,220 --> 00:30:33,220
mistake.
450
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,540
So why was Chief Holloman sending
Redditt home at 5pm, three quarters of
451
00:30:38,540 --> 00:30:42,260
later? He testified to Congress that he
was not told of the mistake at that
452
00:30:42,260 --> 00:30:43,260
time.
453
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,280
Lieutenant Arkin, then head of the
police intelligence unit, can have no
454
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,060
excuse. He received the phone call and
then personally took Redditt home.
455
00:30:52,670 --> 00:30:56,890
The reasons for his actions are
unexplained. He refused to be
456
00:30:56,890 --> 00:30:57,890
this program.
457
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:04,120
The Reddit affair represents the
distraction of the Memphis Police
458
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,100
a false intelligence report from
Washington that was inputted into the
459
00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:12,020
Police Department within hours before
the assassination, and that seemed to
460
00:31:12,020 --> 00:31:15,800
distracted everyone in the department to
the extent that they were off on
461
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,900
missions and having meetings, and that's
very significant. The fact that Reddit
462
00:31:18,900 --> 00:31:23,040
had a different assignment is not the
entire affair. Where that information
463
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,680
from about a false threat, why and how
it was taken seriously, and what its
464
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,840
distraction factor was is the
importance.
465
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:30,540
I think that has yet to be fathomed.
466
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:36,080
In the famous Lao photograph of the
associates of Dr. King pointing away
467
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,140
the motel and toward the rooming house,
there was for a long time a mystery
468
00:31:40,140 --> 00:31:42,540
about the person who was kneeling over
Dr.
469
00:31:42,780 --> 00:31:44,140
King, checking him for life signs.
470
00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:48,880
That person was Meryl McCullough, who
somehow, when hearing the shot,
471
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,980
streaked up the stairs to the balcony
and checked Dr. King.
472
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:57,280
He was an undercover operative for the
Memphis Police Department, but reporting
473
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:02,100
directly to an intelligence officer of
the Memphis Police Department.
474
00:32:08,020 --> 00:32:12,000
Part of a web of covert action conducted
by the security forces in Memphis,
475
00:32:12,260 --> 00:32:15,060
Meryl McCulloch was just one of the
shadowy figures involved.
476
00:32:15,820 --> 00:32:19,320
We learned from a police source that the
owner of the Lorraine Motel was a
477
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,860
police informer. So was Dr. King's
chauffeur.
478
00:32:22,270 --> 00:32:26,250
The FBI had informers among black groups
in Memphis and in the heart of King's
479
00:32:26,250 --> 00:32:27,770
party, the SCLC.
480
00:32:28,210 --> 00:32:31,730
This hidden network was partially
revealed in a secret intelligence report
481
00:32:31,730 --> 00:32:33,370
written by Lieutenant Arkin.
482
00:32:33,870 --> 00:32:38,490
Apart from McCulloch, codename Max, the
report also discloses another agent as
483
00:32:38,490 --> 00:32:40,670
yet unidentified, codename Bill.
484
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:43,910
Whether these spies had a sinister
purpose is unclear.
485
00:32:44,190 --> 00:32:46,170
Certainly they failed to prevent the
assassination.
486
00:32:47,290 --> 00:32:51,020
A decade later... the Memphis Police
Department was still concealing their
487
00:32:51,020 --> 00:32:54,560
actions, providing the House
Assassinations Committee with a version
488
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,160
report that was clearly doctored.
489
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,820
Congressman, would it surprise you if a
document supplied to your committee by
490
00:33:00,820 --> 00:33:04,240
the Memphis Police Department had in any
way been sanitized or doctored?
491
00:33:04,660 --> 00:33:09,440
It would surprise me because I'm not
aware of any document given our
492
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:14,540
by the Memphis Police Department that
was sanitized or doctored.
493
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,100
The secret intelligence report was
definitely doctored. The version that I
494
00:33:19,180 --> 00:33:23,520
which was the original version, was
fuller and material was excised for the
495
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,460
congressional report. It leaves out
crucial details such as Mr. McCulloch
496
00:33:27,460 --> 00:33:31,080
his spying role. It leaves out many of
the other details and it factors in
497
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,740
things that didn't happen in the
original data.
498
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,500
Links between the police and the FBI
were unusually strong in Memphis.
499
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,020
Not only was Fire and Police Chief
Holloman running the Memphis FBI in the
500
00:33:43,020 --> 00:33:47,740
60s, but he also worked for seven years
in charge of the office of FBI Director
501
00:33:47,740 --> 00:33:49,080
J. Edgar Hoover.
502
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:55,580
The Communist Party of the United States
is a fifth column if there ever was
503
00:33:55,580 --> 00:33:56,559
one.
504
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:01,740
It is far better organized than were the
Nazis in occupied countries prior to
505
00:34:01,740 --> 00:34:02,679
their capitulation.
506
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,900
They are seeking to weaken America, just
as they did in their era of
507
00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:07,900
obstruction.
508
00:34:08,219 --> 00:34:12,659
When they were aligned with the Nazis,
their goal is the overthrow of our
509
00:34:12,659 --> 00:34:17,300
government. During the course of our
investigation, we revealed the fact that
510
00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:23,440
the mission of the FBI was to destroy
Dr. King. That is all documented in the
511
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:30,179
course of our reports, and we did
criticize him severely for
512
00:34:30,179 --> 00:34:37,120
the illegal, unconstitutional way in
which his civil rights were violated.
513
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:45,020
It certainly was immoral, illegal, and
unethical for the Bureau to use
514
00:34:45,020 --> 00:34:47,880
its power to try to destroy Dr.
515
00:34:48,100 --> 00:34:52,560
King, and particularly to do so by
falsifying information.
516
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,520
And they did falsify it over and over
and over again.
517
00:34:58,100 --> 00:35:03,100
And he should know, Arthur Murtag was
FBI agent in Atlanta for 11 years.
518
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,460
I was designated as the agent in
Atlanta.
519
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:12,280
to handle black probe the black probe
was a program set up to develop
520
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:18,780
and black organizations to keep the
bureau advised of the activities of
521
00:35:18,780 --> 00:35:23,560
in connection with the civil rights
movement during that period i spent a
522
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:29,080
my time developing black informants and
these were generally paid informants
523
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:35,000
during that same period there was a
vendetta against king that
524
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:42,720
gained in momentum as the years went by,
and I was in a room with my
525
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:48,460
seven other agents for the whole period
while the wiretap was on.
526
00:35:49,780 --> 00:35:53,600
Across the street from their office in
downtown Atlanta, the FBI took a seventh
527
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,560
-floor apartment for a 24 -hour -a -day
bugging operation on King's office,
528
00:35:57,740 --> 00:35:59,040
house, and hotel bedrooms.
529
00:35:59,420 --> 00:36:03,200
This was initiated by Hoover, who was at
first convinced that King was under
530
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,420
communist influence, then became
obsessed.
531
00:36:05,870 --> 00:36:08,790
with the wiretap revelations of King's
sexual promiscuity.
532
00:36:09,370 --> 00:36:13,090
The FBI were guilty of bugging and
harassing, but were they guilty of
533
00:36:13,090 --> 00:36:14,090
more sinister?
534
00:36:14,510 --> 00:36:20,110
It was about between 6 and 7. I remember
that it was beginning to get dark, and
535
00:36:20,110 --> 00:36:25,150
I was standing at the sign -out desk
with another agent, and the news came
536
00:36:25,150 --> 00:36:27,590
the radio that Dr.
537
00:36:27,810 --> 00:36:31,150
King had been shot and killed in
Memphis.
538
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:38,020
And this agent at that... moment uh
turned to me and uh
539
00:36:38,020 --> 00:36:42,760
hit his fist together like that and said
something to the effect by god we
540
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:48,920
finally got him did he say they finally
got him or we finally got him no he said
541
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:55,760
we finally got them got him that was
what it was the we that uh
542
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:01,300
stuck in my mind he didn't say they he
said we
543
00:37:06,380 --> 00:37:12,880
I see the Constitution as a framework
which is in the process of development,
544
00:37:13,060 --> 00:37:19,600
and it's our job as Americans to
constantly embellish the
545
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:26,020
Constitution and build it into a type of
system, not necessarily just a
546
00:37:26,020 --> 00:37:33,020
document, that will result in equal
rights, equal opportunity for
547
00:37:33,020 --> 00:37:35,040
all Americans.
548
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,860
And I take this very, very seriously. I
always have.
549
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:48,260
And when I saw the Bureau and saw the
way that it was working, saw what they
550
00:37:48,260 --> 00:37:53,960
were trying to do to King, I felt that
we had within our own country a sort of
551
00:37:53,960 --> 00:38:00,300
fifth column trying to destroy the
purposes of the Constitution.
552
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:05,420
It is not enough to simply say the FBI
did it.
553
00:38:05,870 --> 00:38:11,490
or retired FBI agents or former FBI
agents killed Dr. King. I mean, that has
554
00:38:11,490 --> 00:38:16,050
been a view that 10 years ago was
certainly much in vogue, but it's much
555
00:38:16,050 --> 00:38:17,210
complicated than that.
556
00:38:22,770 --> 00:38:27,890
In early 1968, Myron Billet, a gopher
for the mafia, drove two senior mob
557
00:38:27,890 --> 00:38:32,210
figures, Sam Giancana and John Roselli,
to a meeting with federal agents at a
558
00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:34,450
motel near the small town of
Appalachian.
559
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:35,860
in upstate New York.
560
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,020
At the meeting, the Mafia leaders were
offered a contract to kill Martin Luther
561
00:38:40,020 --> 00:38:41,020
King.
562
00:39:03,020 --> 00:39:06,780
The FBI and the CIA were the ones that
came up with the hit.
563
00:39:07,140 --> 00:39:09,540
They wanted to come up with a new order.
564
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,320
They wanted to pay the mob a new order
and make a hit.
565
00:39:15,420 --> 00:39:17,360
And Sam said, no way.
566
00:39:17,780 --> 00:39:20,140
There's no way we're going to get
involved in nothing like that.
567
00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:22,780
And that was it.
568
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,220
Who was it who made the suggestion?
569
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,740
The CIA now or the FBI now? CIA now.
570
00:39:29,060 --> 00:39:30,680
Myron Billet is a dying man.
571
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,340
We think it's unlikely that he would
tell such a story now if it weren't
572
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,420
And it's documented fact that Rosselli
and Giancana were contracted by the CIA
573
00:39:38,420 --> 00:39:39,520
to kill Castro.
574
00:39:39,820 --> 00:39:43,760
If they rejected the CIA's offer on
King, there is evidence that a contract
575
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,280
local mob figures in Memphis may have
been affected.
576
00:39:46,620 --> 00:39:49,440
In Memphis, we were aware of several
frightened witnesses.
577
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,160
Bill Pepper is taking us to see one of
them. I found a very fearful man with
578
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,700
John. I found him very fearful then, and
I find him now increasingly fearful.
579
00:39:59,450 --> 00:40:05,330
The first night I saw him, he insisted
on retiring to a room in the back of the
580
00:40:05,330 --> 00:40:11,550
garage general store and sitting with
the lights out. I saw him again, and he
581
00:40:11,550 --> 00:40:17,490
always reminded me that he wasn't really
on duly paranoid, but that, in fact, he
582
00:40:17,490 --> 00:40:21,850
had been shot at, and people had
attempted to kill him, and he had been
583
00:40:21,850 --> 00:40:22,850
up.
584
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,000
He at one point was hospitalized.
585
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:32,280
There's a basis for his profound
uneasiness. I don't know whether he'll
586
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:33,280
us this afternoon.
587
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,540
Keep out the lights.
588
00:41:09,420 --> 00:41:10,900
Well, we have a very frightened man.
589
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:16,340
He's just very, very afraid to come on
camera and to say anything about this
590
00:41:16,340 --> 00:41:17,340
matter.
591
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,360
Tell us what's his story.
592
00:41:19,780 --> 00:41:25,180
On April 4th, 1968, at 5 .15 in the
afternoon, John McFerrin went to Liberto
593
00:41:25,180 --> 00:41:28,780
Latch Produce Company to do his
shopping. It was the last stop of the
594
00:41:28,780 --> 00:41:29,780
coming back to summer.
595
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,160
Shortly after he entered the place, he
heard a man who he originally called the
596
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,320
Fat Man, Frank Liberto, on the
telephone.
597
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:38,260
Heard Liberto...
598
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:43,100
say words to the effect, shoot the son
of a bitch when he comes on the balcony.
599
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:44,580
Don't come around here.
600
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,020
Don't call me here.
601
00:41:46,260 --> 00:41:48,820
Go to New Orleans and pick up your money
from my brother.
602
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,700
The conversation ended at that point.
603
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,660
The parent didn't think too much about
that conversation until 6 .30 p .m. He
604
00:41:56,660 --> 00:42:00,740
heard that Martin Luther King had been
assassinated shortly after 6. Then it
605
00:42:00,740 --> 00:42:05,760
made sense to him. He gave a statement
to the FBI, Memphis Police Department.
606
00:42:06,740 --> 00:42:09,860
investigators, and eventually the House
Select Committee on Assassinations.
607
00:42:10,180 --> 00:42:13,440
They all disregarded his comments and
ignored.
608
00:42:14,180 --> 00:42:18,460
I've known John for 10 years. I believe
John had a crucial bit of information
609
00:42:18,460 --> 00:42:23,200
that was never looked at properly, never
followed up, and disregarded. And the
610
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,240
only reason it would have been
disregarded was because it was
611
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:29,940
the scenario that became, in effect, the
official story.
612
00:42:32,780 --> 00:42:37,100
What's the evidence of mafia involvement
with the CIA in assassinations? Colonel
613
00:42:37,100 --> 00:42:41,460
Fletcher Prouty was head of special
operations in the Pentagon in the 1960s.
614
00:42:42,060 --> 00:42:47,260
I certainly knew of plans that were
intended to bring about an
615
00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:50,720
for example, in the case of Castro.
616
00:42:50,940 --> 00:42:55,420
So they created an organization called
Mongoose. Mongoose was the cover word
617
00:42:55,420 --> 00:42:58,880
it. Now, the objective of the Mongoose
program was...
618
00:42:59,150 --> 00:43:01,470
to assassinate Castro by any means.
619
00:43:01,670 --> 00:43:05,950
We even used mafia hitmen, skilled
mechanics, skilled killers.
620
00:43:06,530 --> 00:43:12,110
Now, there's no reason to believe that
Mongoose ended when somebody decided
621
00:43:12,110 --> 00:43:14,790
that, well, we're not going to kill
Castro this year, we'll let it go.
622
00:43:15,150 --> 00:43:19,230
But Mongoose is an assassination
incorporated organization.
623
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:23,690
From your experience in government,
Fletcher, do you think it conceivable
624
00:43:23,690 --> 00:43:27,830
secret intelligence unit could have
planned and carried out the
625
00:43:27,830 --> 00:43:28,830
Martin Luther King?
626
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,500
you needn't have to include the word
intelligence unit it's just a secret
627
00:43:32,500 --> 00:43:35,800
and there's no question about it being a
unit anybody that thinks today that
628
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,060
either kennedy assassination either one
of them or the king assassination and
629
00:43:40,060 --> 00:43:43,020
others that we might go into we're done
by individuals just doesn't understand
630
00:43:43,020 --> 00:43:46,720
that doesn't understand the business at
all the easiest way to see that the
631
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:51,840
program is laid on you know team effort
carefully planned and carried out begins
632
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,720
after the murder. It's how to get them
out of there and how to cover the thing
633
00:43:55,720 --> 00:44:00,340
so people don't realize that a team of
gunmen did the job. Martin Luther King
634
00:44:00,340 --> 00:44:01,860
was registered on the first floor.
635
00:44:02,140 --> 00:44:06,120
Somebody went there ahead of time and
told the landlady of the motel that he
636
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,900
didn't want to be on the first floor. He
wanted to be on the second floor.
637
00:44:09,260 --> 00:44:11,520
Nobody in King's party had made that
contact.
638
00:44:11,820 --> 00:44:13,460
You see, that's the advanced planning.
639
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:18,580
Then afterwards, all the things that
happened, the chase of Ray halfway
640
00:44:18,580 --> 00:44:23,280
the world and all the other things that
came up, are a cover plan which is so
641
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:29,580
complete that even to this day no one
has broken the system completely and you
642
00:44:29,580 --> 00:44:35,630
can't get into the courts anyway they
claim that their file only had his
643
00:44:35,630 --> 00:44:38,810
travels and world reaction to his death.
I have a memo to that effect.
644
00:44:39,050 --> 00:44:42,570
But the documents that were released to
me show something entirely different,
645
00:44:42,730 --> 00:44:46,690
and that is that they had an operational
interest in Dr. King. They were worried
646
00:44:46,690 --> 00:44:51,290
about communist influences upon him, as
described by the FBI, and they were very
647
00:44:51,290 --> 00:44:55,570
much concerned, as was the FBI, that
King's opposition to the war was
648
00:44:55,570 --> 00:44:59,830
by communists and was a subversion of
the United States' Vietnam War effort.
649
00:45:00,190 --> 00:45:02,610
From 1965 until after King's death.
650
00:45:02,970 --> 00:45:07,150
A leading white civil rights campaigner,
J. Richard Kennedy, met regularly with
651
00:45:07,150 --> 00:45:09,870
a CIA contact and briefed him on King's
actions.
652
00:45:10,330 --> 00:45:13,250
He's agreed to talk about this for the
first time on television.
653
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:15,470
Here comes Martin Luther King.
654
00:45:17,170 --> 00:45:21,790
He marches out and he says, a plague on
this war.
655
00:45:23,110 --> 00:45:24,270
Don't fight in it.
656
00:45:24,670 --> 00:45:26,350
Turn your guns the other way.
657
00:45:27,450 --> 00:45:30,290
Well, the fact that millions of middle
class whites...
658
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,420
whose sons were going into this war and
who believed in it.
659
00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:35,660
You just tug at this, boom.
660
00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:39,740
What do you think they did? Just exactly
what they did. They quit.
661
00:45:40,820 --> 00:45:45,140
With his own hand, he killed the
coalition and he killed the revolution.
662
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,080
Don't ever blame your allies if you're
the leader of the revolution.
663
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:50,620
You're supposed to get it right.
664
00:45:51,260 --> 00:45:54,900
Kennedy believed that King was under the
influence of Peking -led Marxists
665
00:45:54,900 --> 00:45:56,320
within the SCLC.
666
00:45:56,780 --> 00:45:59,560
Well, first of all, you start with the
people in Beijing.
667
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,480
pays in the United States.
668
00:46:02,900 --> 00:46:06,960
When they start moving from one field to
another, you have to assume that
669
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,380
Beijing has asked them to.
670
00:46:09,020 --> 00:46:14,260
The Black Panthers and the Muslims, the
Black Muslims, had moved straight into
671
00:46:14,260 --> 00:46:16,320
the King headquarters.
672
00:46:17,420 --> 00:46:20,760
They had gotten out imprint books in the
thoughts of Mao.
673
00:46:20,980 --> 00:46:21,980
They were selling them.
674
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,160
And a journal that purported to list the
financial contributions of the Mao
675
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,320
Zedong government in the United States
listed the Black Panthers.
676
00:46:29,870 --> 00:46:35,110
the black Muslims, and several other
black organizations as being now on the
677
00:46:35,110 --> 00:46:36,390
payroll of Mao Zedong.
678
00:46:37,310 --> 00:46:41,250
Do you think the CIA, when you told them
about this, about King, took you
679
00:46:41,250 --> 00:46:43,370
seriously? Did they take me seriously?
680
00:46:43,770 --> 00:46:44,770
I don't know.
681
00:46:45,470 --> 00:46:47,590
How are we knowing someone takes us
seriously?
682
00:46:47,870 --> 00:46:48,569
I don't know.
683
00:46:48,570 --> 00:46:54,350
I suppose I would have to judge by the
fact that they did work that sector of
684
00:46:54,350 --> 00:46:55,630
the CIA. Let's be careful.
685
00:46:56,300 --> 00:47:00,000
that agreed with Kennedy, the president,
and were friends of mine and agreed
686
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,520
with me. I think they took me seriously
on all these things because they were
687
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:04,520
facts.
688
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,920
You see, I didn't give these people
information. Let's be clear about
689
00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:12,120
I never gave the CIA any information. It
would be absurd and pertinent of me to
690
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:12,999
think I could.
691
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,460
They had people all over the place.
692
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,340
They wanted information, they got it.
693
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,100
What they got from me was an
interpretation of information.
694
00:47:20,110 --> 00:47:24,310
I think that Kennedy's statements about
King being controlled by Peking line
695
00:47:24,310 --> 00:47:28,950
communists may appear to be absurd to us
now and absurd to us then if we had
696
00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:35,510
known about them, but quite likely were
believed by the agency and by the people
697
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:40,170
who were reading them. And I think they
heightened the paranoia and the fear
698
00:47:40,170 --> 00:47:43,810
about Dr. King and what would happen
should he not be stopped.
699
00:47:44,750 --> 00:47:50,630
So when you run into data that says the
FBI did this or the CIA did that,
700
00:47:50,770 --> 00:47:54,870
you have to be very careful or you have
to investigate a little further because
701
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:58,070
what it really is probably is the
overlap of the two.
702
00:47:58,990 --> 00:48:02,410
The strongest evidence of an FBI and CIA
involvement with the assassination
703
00:48:02,410 --> 00:48:07,210
begins with a trail that starts here in
Toronto with the aliases or alternative
704
00:48:07,210 --> 00:48:09,750
identities used by James Earl Ray.
705
00:48:10,250 --> 00:48:14,250
In 1967, two months after escaping from
prison, Ray began using different
706
00:48:14,250 --> 00:48:15,870
identities at every opportunity.
707
00:48:16,530 --> 00:48:17,750
Four names recur.
708
00:48:18,130 --> 00:48:22,210
All four are real, perfectly innocent
people living within a one and a half
709
00:48:22,210 --> 00:48:24,110
radius of each other in a Toronto
suburb.
710
00:48:24,330 --> 00:48:27,510
All four had similar physical
characteristics to Ray.
711
00:48:27,770 --> 00:48:32,610
One name, Eric Galt, was used by Ray
over an entire nine month period prior
712
00:48:32,610 --> 00:48:33,610
his assassination.
713
00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:37,310
When King was killed, the name of the
man police thought they were hunting was
714
00:48:37,310 --> 00:48:38,310
Eric Galt.
715
00:48:38,540 --> 00:48:42,340
A sharpshooter with relatives in
Rhodesia, Galt could indeed have been a
716
00:48:42,340 --> 00:48:43,340
plausible assassin.
717
00:48:43,660 --> 00:48:45,540
His similarities to Ray are remarkable.
718
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,560
Ray has a scar on his forehead, so has
Galt.
719
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:53,700
The scar on my forehead runs from one
eye across to the other one. It's right
720
00:48:53,700 --> 00:48:54,700
over the bridge of the nose.
721
00:48:55,120 --> 00:49:00,120
The other scar that I think Ray has
would be on the plastic surgery, which
722
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:01,120
on the tip of my nose.
723
00:49:01,660 --> 00:49:06,000
One month before the assassination,
using Galt's name, Ray had plastic
724
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,540
on his nose. In addition, Ray and Galt
both have scars on their right hands.
725
00:49:11,780 --> 00:49:18,400
Coincidences that really fascinated me
was the fact that when I was in Ottawa
726
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:24,380
an Ontario Council meeting, Ray, who had
been there, was in two blocks of where
727
00:49:24,380 --> 00:49:25,359
I was.
728
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:31,660
While I was in Montreal on another
occasion, Ray was also in an area, was
729
00:49:31,660 --> 00:49:33,500
couple of blocks of where I had stayed.
730
00:49:34,670 --> 00:49:39,390
Identification that he would pick up on
me would be absolutely remote.
731
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:42,750
I don't think there's any way that he
has gotten my name out of some
732
00:49:44,010 --> 00:49:46,290
How did Ray get access to these
identities?
733
00:49:46,830 --> 00:49:50,710
It's recently come to light that Eric
Galt's details were in a top security
734
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:54,950
because of his work on a then -secret
defense contract for the Union Carbide
735
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:55,950
Company in Toronto.
736
00:49:56,490 --> 00:50:01,690
There are files in every company that we
have defense contracts with, very, very
737
00:50:01,690 --> 00:50:04,730
elaborate files, because they want to
know who they're dealing with. I myself
738
00:50:04,730 --> 00:50:09,750
have had access to Canadian and
Australian and British material that
739
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:14,770
countries considered secret, top secret
and all, and in exchange we provided our
740
00:50:14,770 --> 00:50:20,090
material. So if you were going to
fabricate a record for somebody or use
741
00:50:20,090 --> 00:50:23,630
somebody else's record as a cover, that
could be done, even though it involved
742
00:50:23,630 --> 00:50:24,970
two countries or three countries.
743
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,060
The alias of this question is crucial
because it was unexplained by official
744
00:50:29,060 --> 00:50:31,940
investigations, and it's obviously
central to this case.
745
00:50:32,300 --> 00:50:36,900
James Earl Ray was able to use the names
of people who looked like him, who were
746
00:50:36,900 --> 00:50:39,960
totally innocent, and in the case of Mr.
Galt, who shared uncanny
747
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:44,120
characteristics with Ray, when Ray had
no capacity to have gone to Toronto and
748
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,780
scouted these names out or gotten them
from a file. And to me, that means they
749
00:50:47,780 --> 00:50:49,920
were provided to Ray, which means a
conspiracy.
750
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:55,760
I really don't recall the Galt name
where I got it. And there's a couple of
751
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,500
others I don't recall the details of.
752
00:50:57,720 --> 00:51:01,300
You weren't supplied with a package of
alias or identities at one stage?
753
00:51:01,620 --> 00:51:04,500
No, I was never supplied with that. I
was supplied with money and things of
754
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:07,500
nature, but I was never given any alias.
755
00:51:08,140 --> 00:51:11,560
It would have been more simple to give
me a passport than give me all those
756
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,680
phony names to look up.
757
00:51:16,970 --> 00:51:21,630
It was here in July of that year that
Ray first started using the Galt name,
758
00:51:21,630 --> 00:51:24,810
here also in July that he claimed to
have met the man he knew as Raoul.
759
00:51:25,390 --> 00:51:30,050
After Ray's arrest in May 1968, a
Canadian journalist, Andy Salwin, in
760
00:51:30,050 --> 00:51:34,190
evidence of Raoul, came across the
footsteps of a mysterious American a few
761
00:51:34,190 --> 00:51:36,090
blocks from where Ray had been living in
Montreal.
762
00:51:36,670 --> 00:51:39,050
His name was Jules Rico Kimball.
763
00:51:39,630 --> 00:51:43,250
Kimball's girlfriend told Salwin that
Kimball kept guns and explosives in his
764
00:51:43,250 --> 00:51:47,990
car. made frequent phone calls to New
Orleans, and was known to her as Rollo.
765
00:51:48,570 --> 00:51:51,690
Was Kimball riled, or could he be linked
with Ray in any way?
766
00:51:52,270 --> 00:51:54,150
Sowern couldn't get to him, could we?
767
00:51:59,410 --> 00:52:03,930
So we came to New Orleans, a city
frequented by both Jules Rico Kimball
768
00:52:03,930 --> 00:52:08,810
James Earl Ray, where in the 1960s the
CIA, the FBI, and the Mafia at times
769
00:52:08,810 --> 00:52:10,810
worked together in an unholy alliance.
770
00:52:12,810 --> 00:52:16,110
We came here on the trail of Kimball and
discovered that a famous district
771
00:52:16,110 --> 00:52:20,250
attorney, now a judge, interviewed
Kimball as part of his inquiry into the
772
00:52:20,250 --> 00:52:22,230
Orleans connection to the Kennedy
assassination.
773
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:29,130
In the early part of our investigation
into John Kennedy's murder, one of the
774
00:52:29,130 --> 00:52:34,030
most interesting individuals we
encountered was Jules Rico Kimball.
775
00:52:34,350 --> 00:52:40,050
We learned from him about his
relationship as, you might say, a spear
776
00:52:40,050 --> 00:52:46,470
for the CIA here in New Orleans, his
relationship with David Ferry and Clay
777
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:50,450
Shaw, who were considerably more than
spear carriers, who were involved here
778
00:52:50,450 --> 00:52:55,330
New Orleans with the New Orleans and the
murder of John Kennedy, and about Jules
779
00:52:55,330 --> 00:53:01,330
Rico Kimball's trip to Montreal, a town
where he seemed to be knowledgeable, but
780
00:53:01,330 --> 00:53:03,290
we weren't able to get much more than
that.
781
00:53:03,610 --> 00:53:10,330
But in the final sum of things, spear
carrier or not, Jules Rico Kimball was a
782
00:53:10,330 --> 00:53:16,970
small load, but a rich one with a few
specks of gold and
783
00:53:16,970 --> 00:53:22,970
most useful in giving us insights into
the role of the covert intelligence
784
00:53:22,970 --> 00:53:25,250
operation in the murder of John Kennedy.
785
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,860
Then we talked to New Orleans private
investigator Joe Oster, who'd done
786
00:53:29,860 --> 00:53:33,820
extensive surveillance on Kimball in
1967 because he was a suspect in the
787
00:53:33,820 --> 00:53:35,720
bombing of a left -wing union leader.
788
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,240
Could Kimball have been in Montreal at
the same time as Ray?
789
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,520
Up to now, nobody's been able to answer
this key question.
790
00:53:42,820 --> 00:53:47,300
But there is a week in July 1967 when no
one can account for Kimball's
791
00:53:47,300 --> 00:53:48,299
movements.
792
00:53:48,300 --> 00:53:54,680
We interviewed his in -laws, interviewed
his relations, we interviewed his wife.
793
00:53:55,259 --> 00:54:00,280
We had his home under surveillance, and
we cannot account for that week, week
794
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:01,920
and a half of where he was.
795
00:54:02,300 --> 00:54:03,600
So he could have been in Montreal.
796
00:54:03,940 --> 00:54:04,940
He could have been anywhere.
797
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:06,160
He could have been in Montreal.
798
00:54:06,940 --> 00:54:10,600
Where is Kimball now? With the help of
Foster's contacts, we finally tracked
799
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,760
Kimball down to a federal penitentiary.
800
00:54:15,660 --> 00:54:19,920
My name is Jules Ron Kimball. I'm 45
years old. I'm doing a double life
801
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,520
for organized crime and racketeering and
murder for underworld killings.
802
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:29,100
Worked for the government and CIA for
quite a few years. I worked on different
803
00:54:29,100 --> 00:54:35,900
things. I was a Google client, a BFB
invasion to the assassination
804
00:54:35,900 --> 00:54:37,200
of President Kennedy.
805
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,720
Can you tell us the story of how you got
connected to Montreal?
806
00:54:42,300 --> 00:54:46,120
I had a contact there, and I would visit
up there.
807
00:54:46,460 --> 00:54:50,280
At that time, CIA was working at...
808
00:54:51,690 --> 00:54:55,890
They had a, I can't think of the name of
it right now, but it was the Quebec,
809
00:54:56,090 --> 00:54:59,170
you know, the Free Canada, which was the
French were trying to take over there.
810
00:54:59,470 --> 00:55:04,630
And I went up there, I started going up
there, went down and done, I had done a
811
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:06,170
couple of jobs up there for them.
812
00:55:06,730 --> 00:55:10,030
Can you give me a clue as to what kind
of work you did up there for them?
813
00:55:10,610 --> 00:55:12,410
I had done two murders for them there,
yes.
814
00:55:13,530 --> 00:55:14,530
In Canada.
815
00:55:16,130 --> 00:55:17,410
Were they political things?
816
00:55:18,490 --> 00:55:21,910
Yes, some of the political things. There
was, I think, the CIA front.
817
00:55:22,450 --> 00:55:27,090
See, CIA bail back anybody as long as
they can put a man on the inside.
818
00:55:28,610 --> 00:55:32,390
Campbell says he was introduced to an
FBI agent in New Orleans and put on the
819
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:34,590
payroll of the FBI to undertake
assignments.
820
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:39,030
This agent told him to meet Ray at
Atlanta Airport and fly him to Canada.
821
00:55:39,810 --> 00:55:41,730
Yeah, mister told me to pick him up.
822
00:55:42,030 --> 00:55:44,770
Told me to pick up and go to Atlanta to
Charlie Brown Airport.
823
00:55:45,610 --> 00:55:47,710
And this guy would meet me there.
824
00:55:48,650 --> 00:55:54,350
And I went there, and I stayed there.
And he asked me, what's my name? I said,
825
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:55,470
yes, you're so passionate.
826
00:55:55,810 --> 00:56:01,190
I said, okay, well, I'm ready to go. I
took him to a place on Mount Royal
827
00:56:01,190 --> 00:56:03,990
Street, which is in Montreal itself.
828
00:56:04,530 --> 00:56:09,110
And I had a contact there. It was a CIA
front in the building.
829
00:56:09,390 --> 00:56:14,350
And I got him his fake identification
stuff.
830
00:56:15,779 --> 00:56:17,560
He would give you a whole makeup, you
know.
831
00:56:17,820 --> 00:56:21,240
Well, good one, you know, that would
stand any kind of security, you know.
832
00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:23,940
you could travel with it just like if
you travel on your own and not even
833
00:56:23,940 --> 00:56:24,940
about it, you know.
834
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:26,200
It was legitimate.
835
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,040
How do you know that this place was a
CIA front?
836
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:34,460
It, uh, uh, well, back when I first went
to Canada, I was given that
837
00:56:34,460 --> 00:56:35,460
information.
838
00:56:35,700 --> 00:56:40,820
I went there and I gave him a code and
he recognized me, you know.
839
00:56:41,660 --> 00:56:44,060
I was told what to say when I got there
to him.
840
00:56:45,310 --> 00:56:46,330
It was a business place.
841
00:56:46,990 --> 00:56:50,550
And I just went there and no problem.
842
00:56:51,410 --> 00:56:55,090
How did you know that the man you picked
up that day later on was James Earl
843
00:56:55,090 --> 00:56:56,090
Ray?
844
00:56:56,290 --> 00:56:58,750
I threw another contact I had.
845
00:56:59,090 --> 00:57:03,590
They told me that they were going to use
him for a job at that time.
846
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:09,130
So did you fly him back to America after
his visit?
847
00:57:09,470 --> 00:57:10,470
No, I didn't.
848
00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:12,770
Not him. I threw somebody else back.
849
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,740
Now, his story is that he met a man
called Raoul.
850
00:57:18,060 --> 00:57:20,280
It sounds like that part of Raoul was
you.
851
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,360
And they call me Rico.
852
00:57:23,740 --> 00:57:30,080
So would you say that at least for the
Canadian part of Ray's story, you were
853
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:31,080
Raoul?
854
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:32,600
Ah, yes, uh -huh.
855
00:57:32,860 --> 00:57:33,860
Yes.
856
00:57:35,100 --> 00:57:38,700
Later in the interview, Kimball claimed
that he had assisted Ray after the
857
00:57:38,700 --> 00:57:39,700
assassination.
858
00:57:39,860 --> 00:57:41,760
Yeah, I blew it from down in Montreal,
yes.
859
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:43,920
And turned him over.
860
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:45,480
The people are.
861
00:57:47,140 --> 00:57:48,280
Can you clarify that?
862
00:57:49,260 --> 00:57:50,740
What did you do after the assassination?
863
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,880
What did I do after the assassination?
What did I do after the assassination? I
864
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,340
told you I flew into Canada after the
assassination.
865
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,800
So can I show you a picture in front of
you and ask you whether you recognize
866
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:04,300
him or have you seen him before?
867
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:05,600
No,
868
00:58:07,380 --> 00:58:08,380
I don't believe I do.
869
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,960
There was a person that looked similar
to him in this Jim's grill I mentioned a
870
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:13,839
while ago.
871
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:18,600
But that's been 20 years ago, and it
would be difficult for me to remember
872
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,860
what he looked like. I gave a
description of the person I saw in
873
00:58:22,860 --> 00:58:26,940
course, like I mentioned, that's been 20
years ago, and I don't think they'll
874
00:58:26,940 --> 00:58:29,540
ever... His name is George Rico Kimball.
875
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:30,760
Yes.
876
00:58:30,940 --> 00:58:37,860
Now, he's in prison at the moment. He
specifically alleged that he flew you
877
00:58:37,860 --> 00:58:42,900
to Canada and assisted you in gaining
your...
878
00:58:43,410 --> 00:58:46,090
identities from a character in Montreal.
879
00:58:47,310 --> 00:58:50,110
Is there any truth in that at all? No,
there's no truth in that whatsoever.
880
00:58:50,350 --> 00:58:51,149
I don't know.
881
00:58:51,150 --> 00:58:52,850
I've never had any contact with him.
882
00:58:53,110 --> 00:58:55,350
Possibly I've seen him, but I don't even
recall that.
883
00:58:56,470 --> 00:59:01,390
He may be under some type of... Is he in
prison now?
884
00:59:01,630 --> 00:59:05,150
Well, there's a possibility he's under
some type of pressure from the
885
00:59:05,150 --> 00:59:06,150
government.
886
00:59:06,750 --> 00:59:10,750
He may know something about the King
case, but he's trying to disinformation
887
00:59:10,750 --> 00:59:11,750
things of that nature.
888
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:18,180
Every single statement that he gave us
turned out to be true without exception.
889
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:19,580
There was no dissembling.
890
00:59:19,780 --> 00:59:26,200
The only, in retrospect, I can see from
going through his whole file here,
891
00:59:26,300 --> 00:59:33,120
the only information that is not true is
what had been planted in his mind back
892
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:40,120
at that time towards the end of his
service for the CIA here in the city,
893
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:41,260
covert operations.
894
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:46,500
is where they have planted in his mind
the idea that he was really working for
895
00:59:46,500 --> 00:59:50,900
the Ku Klux Klan or the white citizens
or something like that, which is kind of
896
00:59:50,900 --> 00:59:55,720
a standard operating procedure for
intelligence agencies before they
897
00:59:55,720 --> 01:00:00,700
somebody after they perform things. But
in the final analysis, Kimball himself
898
01:00:00,700 --> 01:00:01,700
never lies.
899
01:00:02,590 --> 01:00:04,950
I think there are several reasons why
Ray won't tell us more.
900
01:00:05,250 --> 01:00:09,190
First of all, what he knows will
probably not make him look more innocent
901
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:10,350
he wants to claim to be innocent.
902
01:00:10,690 --> 01:00:14,390
Second of all, I think he was
compartmentalized and kept in the dark
903
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:18,490
what he knows about the case may only
make him look worse and not be able to
904
01:00:18,490 --> 01:00:23,210
turn over to law enforcement the
identities or position of the
905
01:00:23,210 --> 01:00:26,130
it won't help them that much and it
won't help him that much. He wants to
906
01:00:26,130 --> 01:00:30,750
he was framed by Raul. I think that Raul
does not exist and is a composite in
907
01:00:30,750 --> 01:00:31,750
Ray's mind.
908
01:00:32,110 --> 01:00:35,490
a series of shadowy figures, a network,
if you will, who helped him in the
909
01:00:35,490 --> 01:00:36,490
Baffination conspiracy.
910
01:00:36,970 --> 01:00:40,930
And I believe that some of the
characteristics Ray attributes to Raoul
911
01:00:40,930 --> 01:00:44,830
characteristics of some of these people
who associated with Ray and helped him,
912
01:00:44,850 --> 01:00:45,910
but there is no one Raoul.
913
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:50,310
He does not want to talk about who the
conspirators really might be or how they
914
01:00:50,310 --> 01:00:52,290
might have provided him with aliases and
couriers.
915
01:00:53,570 --> 01:00:56,510
Kimball's statement to us is the first
time that anyone has confessed to being
916
01:00:56,510 --> 01:01:00,210
part of the conspiracy to kill King,
although he says he did not know that
917
01:01:00,210 --> 01:01:01,210
the purpose.
918
01:01:01,900 --> 01:01:05,640
In subsequent communications, he's been
more insistent about the CIA's central
919
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:10,100
role in the assassination, and further
alleged that he flew in two snipers to
920
01:01:10,100 --> 01:01:11,760
Memphis the week before the killing.
921
01:01:12,180 --> 01:01:14,920
Ray, he says, was not the assassin, but
a pawn.
922
01:01:16,100 --> 01:01:19,980
We believe that the evidence of Ray as
the assassin is weak, that he had a
923
01:01:19,980 --> 01:01:21,160
relatively minor role.
924
01:01:21,700 --> 01:01:25,420
A House Assassinations Committee
investigator told us that if they could
925
01:01:25,420 --> 01:01:28,860
got evidence of a Kim or Ray connection,
it would have been very significant.
926
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:30,940
Surely, now is the time.
927
01:01:31,260 --> 01:01:32,320
to reopen this case.
928
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:38,780
I think we should challenge them to do
what is right. But I think that good
929
01:01:38,780 --> 01:01:41,300
someday is going to triumph over evil.
930
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:45,320
And if there is evil, if it relates to
the Justice Department, if it relates to
931
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,980
the entire federal government, good will
one day prevail.
932
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,840
That's what my father taught us. That's
what my mother taught us.
933
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,660
That's hopefully what we embody as a
family.
85993
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