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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,230 --> 00:00:03,810 I was looking through the peephole of the glass. 2 00:00:04,270 --> 00:00:06,430 As I was watching Dr. 3 00:00:06,650 --> 00:00:10,750 King, I saw him look over toward the boarding house. 4 00:00:11,770 --> 00:00:16,670 And then whenever he looked back, like he was going to look into the parking 5 00:00:16,670 --> 00:00:21,050 area, that's when he'd come up off of the grating, and that's when he was 6 00:00:21,350 --> 00:00:28,150 I would say I was the only one that saw him get shot, actually get shot from the 7 00:00:28,150 --> 00:00:29,150 front. 8 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,020 And it's not no pleasant sight. 9 00:00:31,380 --> 00:00:36,740 I felt very bad inside that this had to happen in Memphis, Tennessee. 10 00:00:37,780 --> 00:00:41,820 The shame of fireman George Lonecky watching Dr. Martin Luther King through 11 00:00:41,820 --> 00:00:46,280 police spy hole at the moment of his death was soon to be shared by many as 12 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,420 weight of world condemnation came down on the city of Memphis on the 4th of 13 00:00:50,420 --> 00:00:51,420 April, 1968. 14 00:00:52,060 --> 00:00:54,600 This was the killing of a major world figure. 15 00:00:54,980 --> 00:00:56,720 How could they have allowed it to happen? 16 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,300 There were even suspicions that the Memphis authorities were accessories to 17 00:01:00,300 --> 00:01:02,300 murder and involved in a cover -up. 18 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:09,940 Over 20 years later, the man convicted of King's murder, James Earl Ray, still 19 00:01:09,940 --> 00:01:10,940 protests his innocence. 20 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,540 In this film, we show new evidence that there was indeed a conspiracy and that 21 00:01:15,540 --> 00:01:18,520 the trail leads into the heart of government itself. 22 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,160 position is that you are completely innocent? Yes. 23 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:34,680 I don't have no responsibility for it. 24 00:01:35,100 --> 00:01:39,700 I did commit certain, they probably considered criminal offenses, but they 25 00:01:39,700 --> 00:01:43,040 nothing serious. I probably wouldn't have got over five or ten years for 26 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:44,560 aggregated. 27 00:01:45,260 --> 00:01:50,360 Would you say that those criminal offenses were related to the case? 28 00:01:51,470 --> 00:01:55,690 No, most of them are related. I escaped from Missouri prison in July 1967 and 29 00:01:55,690 --> 00:01:56,649 went to Canada. 30 00:01:56,650 --> 00:02:00,230 Most of them are related. They have false driver's licenses and fictitious 31 00:02:00,230 --> 00:02:01,430 and all that type of thing. 32 00:02:03,230 --> 00:02:04,570 There's nothing really serious. 33 00:02:05,990 --> 00:02:08,009 Obviously, an individual had to pull the trigger. 34 00:02:08,850 --> 00:02:14,070 I'm not 100 % sure if it would be James Earl Ray. I really don't see how that 35 00:02:14,070 --> 00:02:17,830 could be the case. It's possible, but I don't believe. I believe there was 36 00:02:17,830 --> 00:02:19,690 involvement by James Earl Ray. 37 00:02:20,460 --> 00:02:24,460 The magnitude of the bombing, I don't know. I think there were a number of 38 00:02:24,460 --> 00:02:29,320 forces. I always say the forces of evil. Who that represented, I really don't 39 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,160 know. I would hope that it wouldn't be the government. 40 00:02:32,500 --> 00:02:36,960 You see, when there's an assassination, you have to have a lone nut. 41 00:02:37,380 --> 00:02:40,600 Because a lone nut can kill somebody for no reason. 42 00:02:41,100 --> 00:02:45,220 If you admit that three or four people were involved or that there was, to use 43 00:02:45,220 --> 00:02:50,040 an overworked term, conspiracy, then you have to say, well, the conspiracy had a 44 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:54,300 reason. Well, they don't ever want to face that reason. What was the reason 45 00:02:54,300 --> 00:02:57,320 Kennedy was killed? What was the reason why King was killed? 46 00:02:57,620 --> 00:03:00,420 By having a lone nut, you don't have to ask that question. 47 00:03:00,700 --> 00:03:07,320 We concluded that James Earl Ray was, in fact, the person who murdered 48 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:08,320 Dr. 49 00:03:09,050 --> 00:03:10,210 Martin Luther King. 50 00:03:11,550 --> 00:03:16,670 We also felt that in all probability there was a conspiracy. 51 00:03:17,110 --> 00:03:22,850 However, we were unable to name any conspirators. 52 00:03:23,210 --> 00:03:29,910 I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream. I 53 00:03:29,910 --> 00:03:36,870 a dream that one day this nation will rise up. 54 00:03:38,220 --> 00:03:40,600 Live out the true meaning of its creed. 55 00:03:40,860 --> 00:03:46,820 We hold these truths to be self -evident that all men are created equal. 56 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:52,280 By the early 1960s, the government was publicly supporting Martin Luther King. 57 00:03:52,740 --> 00:03:57,140 Privately, they targeted him as a threat to the stability of the United States. 58 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:04,120 President Kennedy said on one occasion, mankind must put an end to war. 59 00:04:05,260 --> 00:04:06,260 A war. 60 00:04:07,630 --> 00:04:09,230 will put an end to mankind. 61 00:04:11,250 --> 00:04:13,070 The world must hear this. 62 00:04:13,890 --> 00:04:20,370 I pray God that America will hear this before it is too late, because today we 63 00:04:20,370 --> 00:04:21,370 are fighting a war. 64 00:04:23,490 --> 00:04:27,650 I'm convinced that it is one of the most unjust wars that has ever been fought 65 00:04:27,650 --> 00:04:29,830 in the history of the world. 66 00:04:30,330 --> 00:04:34,870 By 1968, King's stance on the Vietnam War and his plans for a poor people's 67 00:04:34,870 --> 00:04:38,420 march to disrupt Washington... put him on a collision course with President 68 00:04:38,420 --> 00:04:39,420 Lyndon Johnson. 69 00:04:40,180 --> 00:04:44,280 When King came to Memphis in the spring of 1968 to support the city's striking 70 00:04:44,280 --> 00:04:49,020 garbage workers, he led a march which ended in violent disarray. The National 71 00:04:49,020 --> 00:04:53,060 Guard was called in, and an atmosphere of tension and fear hung over the city. 72 00:04:54,980 --> 00:04:59,820 We've got some difficult days ahead, but it really doesn't matter with me now, 73 00:04:59,980 --> 00:05:02,760 because I've been to the mountaintop. 74 00:05:30,860 --> 00:05:34,860 After leaving a trail of false identities, small -time crook James Earl 75 00:05:34,860 --> 00:05:36,700 arrested at Heathrow Airport in London. 76 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,940 He was brought back to the States and sentenced to 99 years after pleading 77 00:05:40,940 --> 00:05:42,240 guilty to King's murder. 78 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,560 With a trial that lasted only two and a half hours, suspicions were raised. 79 00:05:46,820 --> 00:05:49,760 Was the verdict rushed through to cover up a conspiracy? 80 00:05:50,280 --> 00:05:55,520 I don't give a continental damn whether there was a conspiracy or not. Well, Mr. 81 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,360 Pullman, did you ever ask your client whether he was a part of a conspiracy, 82 00:05:58,520 --> 00:05:59,520 whether he'd been hired? 83 00:06:00,280 --> 00:06:04,780 No, I never asked him that, but I asked him enough other questions to convince 84 00:06:04,780 --> 00:06:05,840 me that he was not. 85 00:06:06,280 --> 00:06:10,520 Did you ever feel that you could ever do more than save his life? Never at any 86 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,900 time, and so told him from the day I came in. 87 00:06:15,940 --> 00:06:19,080 When Foreman came in the case, he was off for a trial, at least he pretended 88 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:25,120 be, and everything went okay up until sometime in February of 1969. We were 89 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,520 going to trial up until then, and one time he came in with the... 90 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,420 Paper one mean signing saying that you know, we enter a guilty plea He give me 91 00:06:33,420 --> 00:06:36,440 list of reasons why we should enter a plea He also said the newspapers done 92 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:40,020 convicted me by pretrial publicity So I told him I didn't think that was the 93 00:06:40,020 --> 00:06:43,140 grounds for an inner guilty plea because I thought we could Overcome some of 94 00:06:43,140 --> 00:06:45,140 this adverse publicity during your trial. 95 00:06:45,380 --> 00:06:51,620 He is the next gamut was that if I didn't enter a guilty plea they might 96 00:06:51,620 --> 00:06:54,520 brother Jerry Ray in prison for as a co -conspirator. 97 00:06:54,900 --> 00:06:59,090 He also indicated to defy forced him to trial, he wouldn't put forth his best 98 00:06:59,090 --> 00:07:03,130 efforts. Are you actually stating that you never recommended to Mr. Ray that he 99 00:07:03,130 --> 00:07:09,030 plead guilty? I have so stated, I state again, I never have recommended to any 100 00:07:09,030 --> 00:07:13,950 client. I did tell him the facts as I saw them. I told him I thought he would 101 00:07:13,950 --> 00:07:16,690 convicted. I told him I thought he would be executed. 102 00:07:17,410 --> 00:07:19,890 And I had to tell him that because that was the truth. 103 00:07:20,370 --> 00:07:23,850 Foreman's assertion that he didn't coerce Ray into a guilty plea is belied 104 00:07:23,850 --> 00:07:25,990 the letter he wrote to him on the eve of the trial. 105 00:07:26,410 --> 00:07:28,270 Foreman's fee was coming from a book contract. 106 00:07:28,550 --> 00:07:31,830 Ray asked for $500 so that his brother could hire a new lawyer. 107 00:07:32,330 --> 00:07:36,090 Foreman agreed, quote, contingent on the plea of guilty going through without 108 00:07:36,090 --> 00:07:38,850 any unseemly conduct on your part in court. 109 00:07:39,330 --> 00:07:45,450 So Mr. Foreman came to see me, and we discussed it, and I told him that I 110 00:07:45,630 --> 00:07:50,650 as in every case, where appropriate, accept a guilty plea. 111 00:07:51,210 --> 00:07:53,530 on the basis of a 99 -year sentence. 112 00:07:53,830 --> 00:07:57,970 I talked to the governor of Tennessee, the United States Attorney General, the 113 00:07:57,970 --> 00:07:58,970 Department of Justice. 114 00:07:59,110 --> 00:08:03,970 I did this as a matter of courtesy. They did not ever interfere with the way I 115 00:08:03,970 --> 00:08:05,450 conducted the prosecution of the case. 116 00:08:06,010 --> 00:08:09,410 It's only recently become apparent that there was a conflict of interest in the 117 00:08:09,410 --> 00:08:13,410 court's appointment of Hugh Stanton Sr. to assist Ray's lawyer, Percy Foreman, 118 00:08:13,490 --> 00:08:14,490 in Ray's defense. 119 00:08:14,910 --> 00:08:18,810 Stanton had also acted as lawyer for the state's chief witness against Ray, 120 00:08:18,950 --> 00:08:19,950 Charles Stevens. 121 00:08:20,750 --> 00:08:26,610 Did you ever consider that Hugh Stanton was in a conflict of interest 122 00:08:26,610 --> 00:08:29,910 because he'd also represented Charlie Stevens? 123 00:08:30,130 --> 00:08:31,370 Was that ever considered? 124 00:08:35,270 --> 00:08:39,230 No, as a matter of fact, I believe you're right that Mr. Stanton did. 125 00:08:39,630 --> 00:08:40,669 I believe Mr. 126 00:08:41,130 --> 00:08:44,330 Stevens finally got somebody else. I don't know, but no, we didn't consider 127 00:08:44,330 --> 00:08:47,890 any... You're telling me something that I... 128 00:08:48,590 --> 00:08:53,890 If that's a fact, I had forgotten it. But whatever it was, nothing came up to 129 00:08:53,890 --> 00:08:55,130 bother us about it. 130 00:08:56,030 --> 00:09:01,110 Dr. Bill Pepper is James Earl Ray's current lawyer. As a journalist in 1967, 131 00:09:01,110 --> 00:09:05,010 wrote a major article on the effect of the war on the children of Vietnam, and 132 00:09:05,010 --> 00:09:06,830 this brought him into contact with Dr. King. 133 00:09:07,530 --> 00:09:11,130 Disturbed by the circumstances surrounding Ray's trial, he's been 134 00:09:11,130 --> 00:09:13,250 investigating the assassination ever since. 135 00:09:13,570 --> 00:09:15,770 I think it's quite clear that... 136 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,840 The first suggestion of a guilty plea was made by co -counsel Stanton on 137 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,500 December 18th, the very day he was appointed. 138 00:09:22,700 --> 00:09:28,660 He was appointed co -counsel in the morning, as I recall from the record, 139 00:09:28,660 --> 00:09:32,460 o 'clock that afternoon he was already in the prosecutor's office having had a 140 00:09:32,460 --> 00:09:37,940 quick word with Percy Foreman suggesting that James Earl Ray should plead guilty 141 00:09:37,940 --> 00:09:39,320 and the state should accept that plea. 142 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,640 It is also, I think, quite clear that it was... 143 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:51,840 around 60 days later, when James had the subject broke to him by Percy 144 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:53,080 Foreman at that point in time. 145 00:09:53,560 --> 00:09:57,320 The effect of the guilty plea was to prevent the state's case against Ray 146 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:58,540 scrutinized in public. 147 00:09:58,780 --> 00:10:01,640 In our view, that case is seriously flawed. 148 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:14,890 The state's case is that at 6 .01 p .m. on April 4, 1968... In Memphis, 149 00:10:14,990 --> 00:10:19,110 Tennessee, James Earl Ray shot Dr. King with one bullet from a high -powered 150 00:10:19,110 --> 00:10:22,690 rifle. King was standing on the balcony of the Lorraine Motel. 151 00:10:23,370 --> 00:10:27,390 The state said that Ray fired from the bathroom window of a rooming house 200 152 00:10:27,390 --> 00:10:28,390 feet away. 153 00:10:34,690 --> 00:10:38,310 He then fled the scene, dropping a bundle, including the rifle with his 154 00:10:38,310 --> 00:10:39,490 on it, in a shop doorway. 155 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,940 Then he drove off in his white Mustang down Main Street moments before the 156 00:10:52,940 --> 00:10:53,940 police arrived. 157 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,040 James Earl Ray had been almost a year on the run from the Missouri State 158 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,200 Penitentiary where he'd been serving a 20 -year sentence for robbing a 159 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:12,040 supermarket. Ray claims that in July 1967, he met a mysterious character 160 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:13,560 Raoul in Montreal. 161 00:11:14,660 --> 00:11:17,940 Over the next eight months, he carried out various assignments for Raoul. 162 00:11:18,300 --> 00:11:21,700 taking packages across the Canadian and Mexican borders for money. 163 00:11:22,560 --> 00:11:25,800 Raoul gave Ray $2 ,000 to buy a Mustang car. 164 00:11:26,820 --> 00:11:32,180 In late March 1968, Ray says that Raoul instructed him to purchase a rifle and 165 00:11:32,180 --> 00:11:35,080 bring it to Memphis as a sample for a gun -running deal. 166 00:11:35,420 --> 00:11:40,180 Ray says that at 3 p .m. on April 4th, he rented a room in a flophouse on Main 167 00:11:40,180 --> 00:11:42,220 Street, as previously agreed with Raoul. 168 00:11:42,580 --> 00:11:46,000 Later, Raoul asked Ray to leave while he met up with gun dealers. 169 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:48,280 So I went down and got the Mustang. 170 00:11:48,500 --> 00:11:50,900 I don't know what time it was that time. I guess it was 10 minutes to 6. 171 00:11:51,500 --> 00:11:55,480 My recollection may be wrong. I drove, I thought it was three, four blocks north 172 00:11:55,480 --> 00:12:01,220 and three, four blocks west and stopped at the service station and asked them to 173 00:12:01,220 --> 00:12:05,100 fix the tire, if they could fix the tire. And this guy was, he said, no, 174 00:12:05,100 --> 00:12:08,980 too busy this time of day. So then I drove around. I was going to circle 175 00:12:08,980 --> 00:12:12,400 back and park the car at the same place that I'd picked it up. 176 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:14,100 When I got back up there, I'm... 177 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:18,600 I think there was a squad car blocked off the street. Now, I don't know if 178 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,760 right there at the intersection or he's about halfway down, but the street was 179 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,580 blocked off, and I seen two, three people running around out here. So I 180 00:12:24,620 --> 00:12:26,600 well, I better not go down there. There's a police running around here. So 181 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:33,120 turned left, drove down to a predominantly black section. So after a 182 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,640 got on to a main street, and I was going to call this telephone number in New 183 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,500 Orleans and find out if they could contact Ronald and see if anything 184 00:12:39,500 --> 00:12:41,580 out here, because I thought maybe there was guns around there. 185 00:12:42,689 --> 00:12:44,170 It's some type of raid or something. 186 00:12:44,510 --> 00:12:47,790 Anyway, when I was driving out there, they said something about the... I had 187 00:12:47,790 --> 00:12:49,690 radio on. It said something about Martin Luther King had been shot. 188 00:12:49,990 --> 00:12:52,830 I didn't think too much about that. And then about 10 minutes later, when I was 189 00:12:52,830 --> 00:12:57,310 on the outskirts of Memphis, or maybe I was actually in Mississippi, it said 190 00:12:57,310 --> 00:13:01,090 that they were looking for a white man in a white Mustang in connection with a 191 00:13:01,090 --> 00:13:05,190 shooting. So I decided then that I'd better, you know, move on out of there. 192 00:13:05,190 --> 00:13:09,970 drove on and cut off and went to Atlanta. And from Atlanta, I, you know, 193 00:13:09,970 --> 00:13:11,570 to Canada, caught a bus. 194 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,580 For 20 years now, Ray has claimed that he was framed for the assassination of 195 00:13:16,580 --> 00:13:20,060 Dr. King by Raoul, who, he believes, was a professional gunman. 196 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,620 If the assassin had fired the shot from the bathroom window, he would then have 197 00:13:29,620 --> 00:13:33,820 had to get out of the bath, put the rifle in its box, run to his room to 198 00:13:33,820 --> 00:13:34,820 the bundle. 199 00:13:40,910 --> 00:13:45,710 then run 85 feet across the hallway, go down the stairs, drop the bundle in the 200 00:13:45,710 --> 00:13:48,390 shop entrance before walking to his car and driving away. 201 00:13:48,730 --> 00:13:53,050 All rather implausible. It would have required split -second timing before the 202 00:13:53,050 --> 00:13:54,910 first policeman arrived at the scene. 203 00:13:55,730 --> 00:13:59,550 Veteran assassinations investigator Harold Weisberg has obtained more FBI 204 00:13:59,550 --> 00:14:04,030 documents on the King case than anyone else. He was one of the first people to 205 00:14:04,030 --> 00:14:08,030 cast doubts on the state's case against Ray in his book, Cover Up. That's 206 00:14:08,030 --> 00:14:09,030 ridiculous. 207 00:14:09,310 --> 00:14:12,190 He's required to have gone to his room in the flop house and picked up the 208 00:14:12,190 --> 00:14:13,490 widest collection of junk. 209 00:14:13,890 --> 00:14:14,890 Bobby pins. 210 00:14:15,030 --> 00:14:16,030 Bobby pins. 211 00:14:17,730 --> 00:14:19,430 Cans of beer that hadn't been opened. 212 00:14:20,090 --> 00:14:23,190 You know, a guy has been a crime like that and he's fleeing for his life. 213 00:14:23,190 --> 00:14:25,130 going to pick up a couple cans of beer or a bobby pin? 214 00:14:26,130 --> 00:14:29,950 The box didn't hold the rifle. He had to put the rifle in that. All sorts of 215 00:14:29,950 --> 00:14:34,170 other junk. A ridiculous collection of it. 216 00:14:34,390 --> 00:14:38,010 The one thing that that bundle served to do was to point a finger at Ray. 217 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,840 We were in the fire station when we heard the shot. 218 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:46,240 One of the first policemen to arrive at the balcony was Sheriff's Deputy Vernon 219 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:47,240 Dollarhite. 220 00:14:49,060 --> 00:14:53,280 Officer Maley and I proceeded north on Mulberry to Hewling Street. 221 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:08,520 We turned west on Hewling and ran up towards Main. 222 00:15:09,050 --> 00:15:13,130 and there's an alley behind the buildings where the shot was fired from. 223 00:15:13,530 --> 00:15:16,730 I directed Officer Maley to take up a position there. 224 00:15:16,950 --> 00:15:20,290 He was armed with a shotgun and a pistol and guard the alley. 225 00:15:20,650 --> 00:15:22,870 I proceeded on up to Main Street. 226 00:15:25,370 --> 00:15:29,850 I turned to go south on Main Street, checking those buildings. 227 00:15:30,290 --> 00:15:34,470 I proceeded on south, checking all the doors of all the establishments. 228 00:15:34,830 --> 00:15:38,850 There's one place called Jim's Bar and Grill. The door was open. I entered the 229 00:15:38,850 --> 00:15:41,490 building, and I told them there'd been some trouble. 230 00:15:41,750 --> 00:15:46,330 Everybody stay inside, and I backed out of the building. At that time, I 231 00:15:46,330 --> 00:15:51,390 observed a rifle, a blue suitcase, and a green blanket laying on the sidewalk. 232 00:15:51,750 --> 00:15:56,550 Did you see the package with the rifle when you went into Jim'sville? I did 233 00:15:57,450 --> 00:16:01,810 After I came outside, I turned to my right. 234 00:16:02,300 --> 00:16:04,540 Facing south, I immediately saw it. 235 00:16:05,700 --> 00:16:12,220 I feel sure that I would have observed it as I came down the sidewalk because 236 00:16:12,220 --> 00:16:14,700 was very noticeable and I would have seen it. 237 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:16,960 How long were you in Jim's Grill? 238 00:16:17,580 --> 00:16:20,920 Not more than 10 to 12, 15 seconds at the most. 239 00:16:22,740 --> 00:16:25,700 Three different policemen have claimed to be the first to find the weapon. 240 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,700 Astonishingly, even after 20 years, this question remains unresolved. 241 00:16:30,090 --> 00:16:33,670 But the fact is that Dollahite was certainly in Main Street within less 242 00:16:33,670 --> 00:16:34,670 minutes of the shooting. 243 00:16:34,910 --> 00:16:38,590 I think it's very significant that a bundle of the alleged murder weapon 244 00:16:38,590 --> 00:16:44,490 appeared within two minutes on the street after the assassination. 245 00:16:44,690 --> 00:16:49,650 I think it's also significant that he didn't see it the first time that he 246 00:16:49,650 --> 00:16:55,730 out. And it is very possible that... Someone was lying in wait in the 247 00:16:55,730 --> 00:17:01,430 entranceway to the rooming house and then only came out and dropped it 248 00:17:01,430 --> 00:17:04,190 after he went into Jim's grill. 249 00:17:04,630 --> 00:17:07,849 Do you think that person was the assassin or was it somebody else? 250 00:17:08,130 --> 00:17:10,190 I don't believe that person was the assassin. 251 00:17:10,430 --> 00:17:14,589 I believe that the person who dropped the bundle in all likelihood had a very 252 00:17:14,589 --> 00:17:18,829 specific role to play and it was placing the bundle there. I don't believe the 253 00:17:18,829 --> 00:17:21,310 assassin was in the rooming house at all. 254 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:25,859 and that this is just a part of disinformation. 255 00:17:26,740 --> 00:17:28,920 So where do you believe the shot was fired from? 256 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:37,920 After considering this issue over many years and balancing the variety of 257 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:42,460 factors, I think it's quite likely that the shot was in fact fired from behind 258 00:17:42,460 --> 00:17:48,160 the rooming house, under the cover, and from within the cover of the brush on 259 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,580 the bushes. It's the rear of the rooming house. 260 00:17:53,290 --> 00:17:57,070 Solomon Jones, King's chauffeur, was standing under the balcony when King was 261 00:17:57,070 --> 00:17:58,070 shot. 262 00:17:58,250 --> 00:18:01,910 I interviewed Solomon Jones in the lobby of the St. Joseph's Hospital 263 00:18:01,910 --> 00:18:03,290 approximately about 7 .05. 264 00:18:03,570 --> 00:18:07,890 This was a story he told all of us. As soon as the shot was fired, he looked 265 00:18:07,890 --> 00:18:13,790 over the limousine. He saw a sniper with a white sheet on his face ducked back 266 00:18:13,790 --> 00:18:14,830 down into the bushes. 267 00:18:15,110 --> 00:18:19,930 A few seconds later, he rose out of the bushes without the sheet, walked to the 268 00:18:19,930 --> 00:18:22,690 wall, jumped down from the wall. 269 00:18:23,130 --> 00:18:27,190 And you must understand that other people were coming out of the fire 270 00:18:27,190 --> 00:18:29,450 the same time, jumping from the wall. 271 00:18:30,210 --> 00:18:35,530 Solomon said the person he saw in the bushes joined in with the people jumping 272 00:18:35,530 --> 00:18:39,670 from the wall, jumped from the wall, walked on the premises, and he said he 273 00:18:39,670 --> 00:18:45,010 scared. New York Times reporter Earl Caldwell was staying in motel room 215 274 00:18:45,010 --> 00:18:46,010 he heard the shot. 275 00:18:46,210 --> 00:18:51,070 What I saw, this man just very clearly rise out of these bushes. He was in sort 276 00:18:51,070 --> 00:18:51,709 of a... 277 00:18:51,710 --> 00:18:53,370 crouched, stooping position. 278 00:18:53,590 --> 00:18:58,010 I did not see a weapon in this man's hands, but I saw this figure directly 279 00:18:58,010 --> 00:19:04,590 across from the motel. And also, of course, the man in the bushes was a 280 00:19:04,590 --> 00:19:11,210 man. From the day of the assassination until this day, no police, no FBI agent 281 00:19:11,210 --> 00:19:13,890 has ever come to me and said, what did you see? 282 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,300 The only person the state named who identified Ray as the man who left the 283 00:19:22,300 --> 00:19:25,260 rooming house after the shot was Charles Quitman Stevens. 284 00:19:25,900 --> 00:19:26,900 Good customers. 285 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:28,320 Bought a lot of beer in my place. 286 00:19:28,620 --> 00:19:30,580 Got drunk every day that I bought it. 287 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,600 On the day of the shooting of Martin Luther King, he came downstairs in the 288 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,540 afternoons. Come down, I'd just gotten to work at 4 o 'clock, so come down 289 00:19:38,540 --> 00:19:40,540 4 .10 after I'd arrived at work. 290 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,260 He was too drunk for me to sell him beer, then arrested, so I sold him two 291 00:19:45,260 --> 00:19:46,920 quarts of beer to go. 292 00:19:47,850 --> 00:19:51,970 We tracked down cab driver James McGraw, who got a call to pick up Stevens from 293 00:19:51,970 --> 00:19:53,310 the rooming house that day. 294 00:20:20,580 --> 00:20:21,580 Mr. 295 00:20:21,980 --> 00:20:24,400 Stevens, what do you think of that picture? Does that look like the man? 296 00:20:24,700 --> 00:20:31,260 Well, from the glimpse that I got of his profile, it 297 00:20:31,260 --> 00:20:32,260 doesn't. 298 00:20:32,940 --> 00:20:35,640 It doesn't? No, sir. It certainly doesn't. 299 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:37,880 For one thing, 300 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,520 he's too heavy. His face is too full. 301 00:20:42,820 --> 00:20:44,860 He has too much hair. 302 00:20:46,380 --> 00:20:48,540 and his nose is too wide. 303 00:20:49,740 --> 00:20:53,880 So, Stevens was drunk that afternoon and failed to identify a picture of Ray. 304 00:20:54,060 --> 00:20:57,600 Yet he was regarded as such an important witness that he was kept in protective 305 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,640 custody for weeks before the trial. 306 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:05,840 After Ray's conviction, Stevens claimed the $185 ,000 in reward money. His claim 307 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:06,840 was rejected. 308 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:37,260 This is probably the most crucial exhibit in the case. The rifle is so 309 00:21:37,260 --> 00:21:40,140 guarded by the authorities that it's never been filmed before. 310 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,060 Where's the evidence that this rifle killed Dr. King? 311 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,440 We invited one of the most renowned ballistic experts in America, Herbert 312 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,200 MacDonald, to review the ballistics evidence in the actual bathroom from 313 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,180 the shot is alleged to have been fired. 314 00:21:58,380 --> 00:22:00,140 He's using an identical rifle. 315 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,680 I'm standing on the floor and the bathtub is no longer in this physical 316 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:12,760 configuration. With this setting, with this scope on this rifle and that window 317 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:17,440 at three and a half inches, I'm looking partially into the window. 318 00:22:18,060 --> 00:22:23,140 But that only cut the light down very slightly. I have a very excellent view 319 00:22:23,140 --> 00:22:23,899 the balcony. 320 00:22:23,900 --> 00:22:30,700 With this scope, it would be an easy shot for someone like myself who knows 321 00:22:30,700 --> 00:22:36,140 how to breathe and position themselves for a shot and to very gently squeeze 322 00:22:36,140 --> 00:22:37,119 trigger. 323 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:40,740 An inexperienced person, it would be a more difficult shot, considerably more 324 00:22:40,740 --> 00:22:42,820 difficult, especially standing in the bathtub. 325 00:22:43,220 --> 00:22:46,280 There was no evidence that Ray ever fired a rifle in his life. 326 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,360 That's a mechanical skill, and to be a good shot, you've got to keep it in just 327 00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:53,140 like a constant pianist or a constant violinist practices daily. 328 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,840 The only piece of physical evidence that appeared to link the rifle to this 329 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,880 bathroom was a dent in the windowsill. 330 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:05,860 That is the exact width and length of an indentation that I examined in the 331 00:23:05,860 --> 00:23:08,740 windowsill in Memphis in 1974. 332 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,880 The dent, therefore, since it has no microscopic characteristics... 333 00:23:14,410 --> 00:23:18,150 It has no individual characteristics and certainly does not reflect either the 334 00:23:18,150 --> 00:23:24,830 geometry or any of the microscopic scratches on the barrel. 335 00:23:25,030 --> 00:23:26,590 They just would not be reproduced. 336 00:23:27,150 --> 00:23:29,590 This dent could never have been made by this weapon. 337 00:23:29,910 --> 00:23:34,910 And the point about the dent is that it was used to demonstrate as evidence that 338 00:23:34,910 --> 00:23:37,010 the rifle was fired from this room. 339 00:23:37,210 --> 00:23:40,490 They fed the dent from the rifle on the window sill, therefore it was fired from 340 00:23:40,490 --> 00:23:41,670 this room. That's ridiculous. 341 00:23:42,890 --> 00:23:44,570 That does not prove anything. 342 00:23:44,830 --> 00:23:50,050 I took several pictures of the bullet, including every land and groove. 343 00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:56,390 This is just one of them. I had been told that the bullet was so badly 344 00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:58,570 that identification would be impossible. 345 00:23:59,070 --> 00:24:04,650 There is a great amount of lands and groove area for comparison. 346 00:24:05,290 --> 00:24:09,730 I would say that the FBI's decision not to test fire the rifle. 347 00:24:10,170 --> 00:24:14,330 When they want to see if a projectile came from a specific rifle, it was a 348 00:24:14,330 --> 00:24:15,330 poor case of judgment. 349 00:24:15,610 --> 00:24:19,810 Their reasoning that it was mushroomed and distorted so badly that it was 350 00:24:19,810 --> 00:24:24,430 unsuitable for comparison purposes is absolutely ludicrous. 351 00:24:24,650 --> 00:24:28,630 It had excellent characteristics, and they should have tested it. 352 00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:33,870 Was the FBI's failure to test the weapon just incompetence, or, more ominously, 353 00:24:34,030 --> 00:24:37,870 are we beginning to pull back the veils of conspiracy and cover -up among the 354 00:24:37,870 --> 00:24:38,870 authorities? 355 00:24:38,890 --> 00:24:41,150 Consider the actions of the Memphis Police Department. 356 00:24:44,770 --> 00:24:51,570 Usually when a king would come to Memphis, well, even I, if 357 00:24:51,570 --> 00:24:57,850 he was at the church or something, we would, maybe I'd have maybe 20 men 358 00:24:57,850 --> 00:24:58,850 that block. 359 00:24:59,290 --> 00:25:00,630 He had plenty of security. 360 00:25:01,090 --> 00:25:06,450 He was coming, we'd have men at the airport to meet him, and we tried to 361 00:25:06,450 --> 00:25:08,030 him more security than we could give him. 362 00:25:09,930 --> 00:25:14,190 If security was always supplied to Dr. King, why was the seven -man police unit 363 00:25:14,190 --> 00:25:18,070 attached to him stripped away only 24 hours before the assassination? 364 00:25:18,830 --> 00:25:22,350 Under close questioning from the House Assassinations Committee, Memphis Police 365 00:25:22,350 --> 00:25:26,430 Director Frank Holliman denied that he had authorized the removal or had known 366 00:25:26,430 --> 00:25:27,490 about it at the time. 367 00:25:28,570 --> 00:25:32,090 On top of that, it's a matter of public record that three 12 -man police 368 00:25:32,090 --> 00:25:35,890 tactical units were pulled back five blocks from the vicinity of the Lorraine 369 00:25:35,890 --> 00:25:37,770 Motel on the morning of the assassination. 370 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:43,380 Now, on this occasion, the tax car units were withdrawn at some point on the day 371 00:25:43,380 --> 00:25:44,660 of the 4th of April, weren't they? 372 00:25:45,620 --> 00:25:48,440 No, my cars was never withdrawn. 373 00:25:51,340 --> 00:25:52,340 Well, 374 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,420 April 4th? 375 00:25:55,220 --> 00:25:57,960 No, we still had cars in the area. 376 00:25:59,580 --> 00:26:04,760 Wasn't it some suggestion that they were pulled back at the request of one of 377 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,320 Dr. King's party, that they were pulled back a number of blocks? 378 00:26:07,710 --> 00:26:14,490 No, to my knowledge now, and all the way they've been pulled back was on 379 00:26:14,490 --> 00:26:15,490 my command. 380 00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:21,970 Philip Melanson, author of the recent book The Merkin Conspiracy, has made a 381 00:26:21,970 --> 00:26:23,190 special study of the issue. 382 00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:27,770 I questioned Sam Evans about the withdrawal of the tactical units because 383 00:26:27,770 --> 00:26:29,070 was a very important matter. 384 00:26:29,390 --> 00:26:34,950 Evans told me clearly and forcefully that the tactical units were withdrawn. 385 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:40,400 at the request of the Reverend Samuel Kiles, a man in King's entourage, and 386 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,460 he, Evans, had received the order, the request from Mr. Kiles, and had acceded 387 00:26:44,460 --> 00:26:47,020 to it. And he told me that flatly two years ago. 388 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,560 Could Melanson's book refresh Sam Evans' memory? 389 00:26:51,860 --> 00:26:53,440 No, I didn't pull my man back. 390 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,600 Why is Sam Evans now being evasive on this important issue? 391 00:27:03,980 --> 00:27:08,180 Is it because the official excuse for removing the tax cars just does not ring 392 00:27:08,180 --> 00:27:09,180 true? 393 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,760 For someone in the SCLC to have instructed, quote -unquote, the Memphis 394 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,240 to move back those tactical units would be laughable in that situation. 395 00:27:17,580 --> 00:27:20,620 And it's absurd to think that the Memphis Police Department would have 396 00:27:20,620 --> 00:27:24,740 to that request. These tactical units were riot control forces that were there 397 00:27:24,740 --> 00:27:26,900 to keep the lid on the Lorraine and monitor King. 398 00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:30,460 And if he or anybody in his party had told them to move back, I think they 399 00:27:30,460 --> 00:27:34,200 have increased the surveillance net or begun to look more sharply for trouble. 400 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,800 It's unthinkable that they would simply be that accommodating. 401 00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:41,980 Colonel Fletcher Prouty was chief of special operations for the Joint Chiefs 402 00:27:41,980 --> 00:27:46,400 Staff at the Pentagon in the 60s. When Kennedy was killed, Prouty resigned, 403 00:27:46,740 --> 00:27:48,320 suspecting an enemy within. 404 00:27:48,820 --> 00:27:53,220 The policemen are taught to go to where there's been a murder and solve the 405 00:27:53,220 --> 00:27:59,000 murder. And just consider either of the Kennedy cases or the King cases, the 406 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,900 thing you notice most is that the police stood with their hands down and did 407 00:28:02,900 --> 00:28:03,900 nothing. 408 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,180 There were no on -the -spot detectives. There was nobody really looking into the 409 00:28:08,180 --> 00:28:11,260 ballistics. There was no one checking any of the things that the police would 410 00:28:11,260 --> 00:28:12,520 have gotten into in the first place. 411 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,680 So there's where you begin to see the cover -up patterns. Somebody has told 412 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,840 police department, stay away from this. 413 00:28:19,060 --> 00:28:20,320 Now, they don't tell them that way. 414 00:28:20,620 --> 00:28:26,260 They say, look, because this was Mr. King in town, we have a special group of 415 00:28:26,260 --> 00:28:29,860 Secret Service or a special group of whatever here. And so the police think, 416 00:28:29,940 --> 00:28:32,560 well, that's covered. We're not needed. But in any event, they're away. 417 00:28:33,390 --> 00:28:39,450 In Dallas, I know for a fact myself that there was an army unit we intended to 418 00:28:39,450 --> 00:28:43,970 use in Dallas for protection on the streets, simply to watch everybody, 419 00:28:43,970 --> 00:28:45,070 the windows, watch everything. 420 00:28:45,310 --> 00:28:50,370 The commander of that army unit had received a call, a very simple call, 421 00:28:50,370 --> 00:28:54,070 we don't need your unit. He knows there are other units, so he thinks they're 422 00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:55,110 going to use somebody else's unit. 423 00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:58,210 The next day he found out there were no units there. Well, it's too late then, 424 00:28:58,250 --> 00:29:00,210 you see. Who made the call to that colonel? 425 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,480 In Memphis, there is evidence that the secret service did influence the 426 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:05,580 activities of the police. 427 00:29:05,940 --> 00:29:09,540 Ed Redditt was a detective in a surveillance post at the fire station. 428 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,020 You could see the back of the back, and you could see all of the courtyard of 429 00:29:14,020 --> 00:29:18,380 Lorraine, like the office, the whole bit from there, all the way down to the 430 00:29:18,380 --> 00:29:20,660 corner of the building. You could see everything around Lorraine. 431 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,860 Then Lieutenant Arkin arrived and stated that I was wanted at the headquarters. 432 00:29:24,420 --> 00:29:26,980 I said, for what? He said, I don't know. He said, get in the car. Let's go. I 433 00:29:26,980 --> 00:29:27,980 was told to bring you back. 434 00:29:28,190 --> 00:29:33,150 As I viewed the room, there appeared to be numerous law enforcement people from 435 00:29:33,150 --> 00:29:38,910 all of the various agencies, local, county, state, and nationally. Director 436 00:29:38,910 --> 00:29:44,570 Frank Holliman stated that the man standing across from me was a secret 437 00:29:44,570 --> 00:29:48,230 from Washington, stating that there was a contract out on my life. 438 00:29:48,570 --> 00:29:53,050 At that time, he told an archer to take me home and wait until someone arrived 439 00:29:53,050 --> 00:29:54,510 to guard me. 440 00:29:55,670 --> 00:30:02,650 Once we arrived at my house, while seated in the car awaiting the security 441 00:30:02,650 --> 00:30:06,650 me. Being there, I imagine, on more than five or ten minutes, the radio by 442 00:30:06,650 --> 00:30:07,990 Assault .King had been shot. 443 00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:12,790 From various sources, we've been able to piece together that the information 444 00:30:12,790 --> 00:30:16,610 about the assassination attempt on Detective Redditt did indeed come direct 445 00:30:16,610 --> 00:30:18,950 Chief Holloman from a Secret Service man in Washington. 446 00:30:20,390 --> 00:30:24,510 This departmental communication reveals that by 4 .15 that afternoon... 447 00:30:24,700 --> 00:30:28,300 Lieutenant Arkin of the Memphis Police Department had been alerted by a phone 448 00:30:28,300 --> 00:30:32,220 call from the FBI that the assassination threat attributed to Redditt was a 449 00:30:32,220 --> 00:30:33,220 mistake. 450 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,540 So why was Chief Holloman sending Redditt home at 5pm, three quarters of 451 00:30:38,540 --> 00:30:42,260 later? He testified to Congress that he was not told of the mistake at that 452 00:30:42,260 --> 00:30:43,260 time. 453 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,280 Lieutenant Arkin, then head of the police intelligence unit, can have no 454 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,060 excuse. He received the phone call and then personally took Redditt home. 455 00:30:52,670 --> 00:30:56,890 The reasons for his actions are unexplained. He refused to be 456 00:30:56,890 --> 00:30:57,890 this program. 457 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:04,120 The Reddit affair represents the distraction of the Memphis Police 458 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,100 a false intelligence report from Washington that was inputted into the 459 00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:12,020 Police Department within hours before the assassination, and that seemed to 460 00:31:12,020 --> 00:31:15,800 distracted everyone in the department to the extent that they were off on 461 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,900 missions and having meetings, and that's very significant. The fact that Reddit 462 00:31:18,900 --> 00:31:23,040 had a different assignment is not the entire affair. Where that information 463 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,680 from about a false threat, why and how it was taken seriously, and what its 464 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,840 distraction factor was is the importance. 465 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:30,540 I think that has yet to be fathomed. 466 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:36,080 In the famous Lao photograph of the associates of Dr. King pointing away 467 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,140 the motel and toward the rooming house, there was for a long time a mystery 468 00:31:40,140 --> 00:31:42,540 about the person who was kneeling over Dr. 469 00:31:42,780 --> 00:31:44,140 King, checking him for life signs. 470 00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:48,880 That person was Meryl McCullough, who somehow, when hearing the shot, 471 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,980 streaked up the stairs to the balcony and checked Dr. King. 472 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:57,280 He was an undercover operative for the Memphis Police Department, but reporting 473 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:02,100 directly to an intelligence officer of the Memphis Police Department. 474 00:32:08,020 --> 00:32:12,000 Part of a web of covert action conducted by the security forces in Memphis, 475 00:32:12,260 --> 00:32:15,060 Meryl McCulloch was just one of the shadowy figures involved. 476 00:32:15,820 --> 00:32:19,320 We learned from a police source that the owner of the Lorraine Motel was a 477 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,860 police informer. So was Dr. King's chauffeur. 478 00:32:22,270 --> 00:32:26,250 The FBI had informers among black groups in Memphis and in the heart of King's 479 00:32:26,250 --> 00:32:27,770 party, the SCLC. 480 00:32:28,210 --> 00:32:31,730 This hidden network was partially revealed in a secret intelligence report 481 00:32:31,730 --> 00:32:33,370 written by Lieutenant Arkin. 482 00:32:33,870 --> 00:32:38,490 Apart from McCulloch, codename Max, the report also discloses another agent as 483 00:32:38,490 --> 00:32:40,670 yet unidentified, codename Bill. 484 00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:43,910 Whether these spies had a sinister purpose is unclear. 485 00:32:44,190 --> 00:32:46,170 Certainly they failed to prevent the assassination. 486 00:32:47,290 --> 00:32:51,020 A decade later... the Memphis Police Department was still concealing their 487 00:32:51,020 --> 00:32:54,560 actions, providing the House Assassinations Committee with a version 488 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,160 report that was clearly doctored. 489 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,820 Congressman, would it surprise you if a document supplied to your committee by 490 00:33:00,820 --> 00:33:04,240 the Memphis Police Department had in any way been sanitized or doctored? 491 00:33:04,660 --> 00:33:09,440 It would surprise me because I'm not aware of any document given our 492 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:14,540 by the Memphis Police Department that was sanitized or doctored. 493 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,100 The secret intelligence report was definitely doctored. The version that I 494 00:33:19,180 --> 00:33:23,520 which was the original version, was fuller and material was excised for the 495 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,460 congressional report. It leaves out crucial details such as Mr. McCulloch 496 00:33:27,460 --> 00:33:31,080 his spying role. It leaves out many of the other details and it factors in 497 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,740 things that didn't happen in the original data. 498 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,500 Links between the police and the FBI were unusually strong in Memphis. 499 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,020 Not only was Fire and Police Chief Holloman running the Memphis FBI in the 500 00:33:43,020 --> 00:33:47,740 60s, but he also worked for seven years in charge of the office of FBI Director 501 00:33:47,740 --> 00:33:49,080 J. Edgar Hoover. 502 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:55,580 The Communist Party of the United States is a fifth column if there ever was 503 00:33:55,580 --> 00:33:56,559 one. 504 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:01,740 It is far better organized than were the Nazis in occupied countries prior to 505 00:34:01,740 --> 00:34:02,679 their capitulation. 506 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,900 They are seeking to weaken America, just as they did in their era of 507 00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:07,900 obstruction. 508 00:34:08,219 --> 00:34:12,659 When they were aligned with the Nazis, their goal is the overthrow of our 509 00:34:12,659 --> 00:34:17,300 government. During the course of our investigation, we revealed the fact that 510 00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:23,440 the mission of the FBI was to destroy Dr. King. That is all documented in the 511 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:30,179 course of our reports, and we did criticize him severely for 512 00:34:30,179 --> 00:34:37,120 the illegal, unconstitutional way in which his civil rights were violated. 513 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:45,020 It certainly was immoral, illegal, and unethical for the Bureau to use 514 00:34:45,020 --> 00:34:47,880 its power to try to destroy Dr. 515 00:34:48,100 --> 00:34:52,560 King, and particularly to do so by falsifying information. 516 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,520 And they did falsify it over and over and over again. 517 00:34:58,100 --> 00:35:03,100 And he should know, Arthur Murtag was FBI agent in Atlanta for 11 years. 518 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,460 I was designated as the agent in Atlanta. 519 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:12,280 to handle black probe the black probe was a program set up to develop 520 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:18,780 and black organizations to keep the bureau advised of the activities of 521 00:35:18,780 --> 00:35:23,560 in connection with the civil rights movement during that period i spent a 522 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:29,080 my time developing black informants and these were generally paid informants 523 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:35,000 during that same period there was a vendetta against king that 524 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:42,720 gained in momentum as the years went by, and I was in a room with my 525 00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:48,460 seven other agents for the whole period while the wiretap was on. 526 00:35:49,780 --> 00:35:53,600 Across the street from their office in downtown Atlanta, the FBI took a seventh 527 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,560 -floor apartment for a 24 -hour -a -day bugging operation on King's office, 528 00:35:57,740 --> 00:35:59,040 house, and hotel bedrooms. 529 00:35:59,420 --> 00:36:03,200 This was initiated by Hoover, who was at first convinced that King was under 530 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,420 communist influence, then became obsessed. 531 00:36:05,870 --> 00:36:08,790 with the wiretap revelations of King's sexual promiscuity. 532 00:36:09,370 --> 00:36:13,090 The FBI were guilty of bugging and harassing, but were they guilty of 533 00:36:13,090 --> 00:36:14,090 more sinister? 534 00:36:14,510 --> 00:36:20,110 It was about between 6 and 7. I remember that it was beginning to get dark, and 535 00:36:20,110 --> 00:36:25,150 I was standing at the sign -out desk with another agent, and the news came 536 00:36:25,150 --> 00:36:27,590 the radio that Dr. 537 00:36:27,810 --> 00:36:31,150 King had been shot and killed in Memphis. 538 00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:38,020 And this agent at that... moment uh turned to me and uh 539 00:36:38,020 --> 00:36:42,760 hit his fist together like that and said something to the effect by god we 540 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:48,920 finally got him did he say they finally got him or we finally got him no he said 541 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:55,760 we finally got them got him that was what it was the we that uh 542 00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:01,300 stuck in my mind he didn't say they he said we 543 00:37:06,380 --> 00:37:12,880 I see the Constitution as a framework which is in the process of development, 544 00:37:13,060 --> 00:37:19,600 and it's our job as Americans to constantly embellish the 545 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:26,020 Constitution and build it into a type of system, not necessarily just a 546 00:37:26,020 --> 00:37:33,020 document, that will result in equal rights, equal opportunity for 547 00:37:33,020 --> 00:37:35,040 all Americans. 548 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,860 And I take this very, very seriously. I always have. 549 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:48,260 And when I saw the Bureau and saw the way that it was working, saw what they 550 00:37:48,260 --> 00:37:53,960 were trying to do to King, I felt that we had within our own country a sort of 551 00:37:53,960 --> 00:38:00,300 fifth column trying to destroy the purposes of the Constitution. 552 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:05,420 It is not enough to simply say the FBI did it. 553 00:38:05,870 --> 00:38:11,490 or retired FBI agents or former FBI agents killed Dr. King. I mean, that has 554 00:38:11,490 --> 00:38:16,050 been a view that 10 years ago was certainly much in vogue, but it's much 555 00:38:16,050 --> 00:38:17,210 complicated than that. 556 00:38:22,770 --> 00:38:27,890 In early 1968, Myron Billet, a gopher for the mafia, drove two senior mob 557 00:38:27,890 --> 00:38:32,210 figures, Sam Giancana and John Roselli, to a meeting with federal agents at a 558 00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:34,450 motel near the small town of Appalachian. 559 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:35,860 in upstate New York. 560 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,020 At the meeting, the Mafia leaders were offered a contract to kill Martin Luther 561 00:38:40,020 --> 00:38:41,020 King. 562 00:39:03,020 --> 00:39:06,780 The FBI and the CIA were the ones that came up with the hit. 563 00:39:07,140 --> 00:39:09,540 They wanted to come up with a new order. 564 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,320 They wanted to pay the mob a new order and make a hit. 565 00:39:15,420 --> 00:39:17,360 And Sam said, no way. 566 00:39:17,780 --> 00:39:20,140 There's no way we're going to get involved in nothing like that. 567 00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:22,780 And that was it. 568 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,220 Who was it who made the suggestion? 569 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,740 The CIA now or the FBI now? CIA now. 570 00:39:29,060 --> 00:39:30,680 Myron Billet is a dying man. 571 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,340 We think it's unlikely that he would tell such a story now if it weren't 572 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,420 And it's documented fact that Rosselli and Giancana were contracted by the CIA 573 00:39:38,420 --> 00:39:39,520 to kill Castro. 574 00:39:39,820 --> 00:39:43,760 If they rejected the CIA's offer on King, there is evidence that a contract 575 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,280 local mob figures in Memphis may have been affected. 576 00:39:46,620 --> 00:39:49,440 In Memphis, we were aware of several frightened witnesses. 577 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,160 Bill Pepper is taking us to see one of them. I found a very fearful man with 578 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,700 John. I found him very fearful then, and I find him now increasingly fearful. 579 00:39:59,450 --> 00:40:05,330 The first night I saw him, he insisted on retiring to a room in the back of the 580 00:40:05,330 --> 00:40:11,550 garage general store and sitting with the lights out. I saw him again, and he 581 00:40:11,550 --> 00:40:17,490 always reminded me that he wasn't really on duly paranoid, but that, in fact, he 582 00:40:17,490 --> 00:40:21,850 had been shot at, and people had attempted to kill him, and he had been 583 00:40:21,850 --> 00:40:22,850 up. 584 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,000 He at one point was hospitalized. 585 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:32,280 There's a basis for his profound uneasiness. I don't know whether he'll 586 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:33,280 us this afternoon. 587 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,540 Keep out the lights. 588 00:41:09,420 --> 00:41:10,900 Well, we have a very frightened man. 589 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:16,340 He's just very, very afraid to come on camera and to say anything about this 590 00:41:16,340 --> 00:41:17,340 matter. 591 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,360 Tell us what's his story. 592 00:41:19,780 --> 00:41:25,180 On April 4th, 1968, at 5 .15 in the afternoon, John McFerrin went to Liberto 593 00:41:25,180 --> 00:41:28,780 Latch Produce Company to do his shopping. It was the last stop of the 594 00:41:28,780 --> 00:41:29,780 coming back to summer. 595 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,160 Shortly after he entered the place, he heard a man who he originally called the 596 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,320 Fat Man, Frank Liberto, on the telephone. 597 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:38,260 Heard Liberto... 598 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:43,100 say words to the effect, shoot the son of a bitch when he comes on the balcony. 599 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:44,580 Don't come around here. 600 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,020 Don't call me here. 601 00:41:46,260 --> 00:41:48,820 Go to New Orleans and pick up your money from my brother. 602 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,700 The conversation ended at that point. 603 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,660 The parent didn't think too much about that conversation until 6 .30 p .m. He 604 00:41:56,660 --> 00:42:00,740 heard that Martin Luther King had been assassinated shortly after 6. Then it 605 00:42:00,740 --> 00:42:05,760 made sense to him. He gave a statement to the FBI, Memphis Police Department. 606 00:42:06,740 --> 00:42:09,860 investigators, and eventually the House Select Committee on Assassinations. 607 00:42:10,180 --> 00:42:13,440 They all disregarded his comments and ignored. 608 00:42:14,180 --> 00:42:18,460 I've known John for 10 years. I believe John had a crucial bit of information 609 00:42:18,460 --> 00:42:23,200 that was never looked at properly, never followed up, and disregarded. And the 610 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,240 only reason it would have been disregarded was because it was 611 00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:29,940 the scenario that became, in effect, the official story. 612 00:42:32,780 --> 00:42:37,100 What's the evidence of mafia involvement with the CIA in assassinations? Colonel 613 00:42:37,100 --> 00:42:41,460 Fletcher Prouty was head of special operations in the Pentagon in the 1960s. 614 00:42:42,060 --> 00:42:47,260 I certainly knew of plans that were intended to bring about an 615 00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:50,720 for example, in the case of Castro. 616 00:42:50,940 --> 00:42:55,420 So they created an organization called Mongoose. Mongoose was the cover word 617 00:42:55,420 --> 00:42:58,880 it. Now, the objective of the Mongoose program was... 618 00:42:59,150 --> 00:43:01,470 to assassinate Castro by any means. 619 00:43:01,670 --> 00:43:05,950 We even used mafia hitmen, skilled mechanics, skilled killers. 620 00:43:06,530 --> 00:43:12,110 Now, there's no reason to believe that Mongoose ended when somebody decided 621 00:43:12,110 --> 00:43:14,790 that, well, we're not going to kill Castro this year, we'll let it go. 622 00:43:15,150 --> 00:43:19,230 But Mongoose is an assassination incorporated organization. 623 00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:23,690 From your experience in government, Fletcher, do you think it conceivable 624 00:43:23,690 --> 00:43:27,830 secret intelligence unit could have planned and carried out the 625 00:43:27,830 --> 00:43:28,830 Martin Luther King? 626 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,500 you needn't have to include the word intelligence unit it's just a secret 627 00:43:32,500 --> 00:43:35,800 and there's no question about it being a unit anybody that thinks today that 628 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,060 either kennedy assassination either one of them or the king assassination and 629 00:43:40,060 --> 00:43:43,020 others that we might go into we're done by individuals just doesn't understand 630 00:43:43,020 --> 00:43:46,720 that doesn't understand the business at all the easiest way to see that the 631 00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:51,840 program is laid on you know team effort carefully planned and carried out begins 632 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,720 after the murder. It's how to get them out of there and how to cover the thing 633 00:43:55,720 --> 00:44:00,340 so people don't realize that a team of gunmen did the job. Martin Luther King 634 00:44:00,340 --> 00:44:01,860 was registered on the first floor. 635 00:44:02,140 --> 00:44:06,120 Somebody went there ahead of time and told the landlady of the motel that he 636 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,900 didn't want to be on the first floor. He wanted to be on the second floor. 637 00:44:09,260 --> 00:44:11,520 Nobody in King's party had made that contact. 638 00:44:11,820 --> 00:44:13,460 You see, that's the advanced planning. 639 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:18,580 Then afterwards, all the things that happened, the chase of Ray halfway 640 00:44:18,580 --> 00:44:23,280 the world and all the other things that came up, are a cover plan which is so 641 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:29,580 complete that even to this day no one has broken the system completely and you 642 00:44:29,580 --> 00:44:35,630 can't get into the courts anyway they claim that their file only had his 643 00:44:35,630 --> 00:44:38,810 travels and world reaction to his death. I have a memo to that effect. 644 00:44:39,050 --> 00:44:42,570 But the documents that were released to me show something entirely different, 645 00:44:42,730 --> 00:44:46,690 and that is that they had an operational interest in Dr. King. They were worried 646 00:44:46,690 --> 00:44:51,290 about communist influences upon him, as described by the FBI, and they were very 647 00:44:51,290 --> 00:44:55,570 much concerned, as was the FBI, that King's opposition to the war was 648 00:44:55,570 --> 00:44:59,830 by communists and was a subversion of the United States' Vietnam War effort. 649 00:45:00,190 --> 00:45:02,610 From 1965 until after King's death. 650 00:45:02,970 --> 00:45:07,150 A leading white civil rights campaigner, J. Richard Kennedy, met regularly with 651 00:45:07,150 --> 00:45:09,870 a CIA contact and briefed him on King's actions. 652 00:45:10,330 --> 00:45:13,250 He's agreed to talk about this for the first time on television. 653 00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:15,470 Here comes Martin Luther King. 654 00:45:17,170 --> 00:45:21,790 He marches out and he says, a plague on this war. 655 00:45:23,110 --> 00:45:24,270 Don't fight in it. 656 00:45:24,670 --> 00:45:26,350 Turn your guns the other way. 657 00:45:27,450 --> 00:45:30,290 Well, the fact that millions of middle class whites... 658 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,420 whose sons were going into this war and who believed in it. 659 00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:35,660 You just tug at this, boom. 660 00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:39,740 What do you think they did? Just exactly what they did. They quit. 661 00:45:40,820 --> 00:45:45,140 With his own hand, he killed the coalition and he killed the revolution. 662 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,080 Don't ever blame your allies if you're the leader of the revolution. 663 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:50,620 You're supposed to get it right. 664 00:45:51,260 --> 00:45:54,900 Kennedy believed that King was under the influence of Peking -led Marxists 665 00:45:54,900 --> 00:45:56,320 within the SCLC. 666 00:45:56,780 --> 00:45:59,560 Well, first of all, you start with the people in Beijing. 667 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,480 pays in the United States. 668 00:46:02,900 --> 00:46:06,960 When they start moving from one field to another, you have to assume that 669 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,380 Beijing has asked them to. 670 00:46:09,020 --> 00:46:14,260 The Black Panthers and the Muslims, the Black Muslims, had moved straight into 671 00:46:14,260 --> 00:46:16,320 the King headquarters. 672 00:46:17,420 --> 00:46:20,760 They had gotten out imprint books in the thoughts of Mao. 673 00:46:20,980 --> 00:46:21,980 They were selling them. 674 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,160 And a journal that purported to list the financial contributions of the Mao 675 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,320 Zedong government in the United States listed the Black Panthers. 676 00:46:29,870 --> 00:46:35,110 the black Muslims, and several other black organizations as being now on the 677 00:46:35,110 --> 00:46:36,390 payroll of Mao Zedong. 678 00:46:37,310 --> 00:46:41,250 Do you think the CIA, when you told them about this, about King, took you 679 00:46:41,250 --> 00:46:43,370 seriously? Did they take me seriously? 680 00:46:43,770 --> 00:46:44,770 I don't know. 681 00:46:45,470 --> 00:46:47,590 How are we knowing someone takes us seriously? 682 00:46:47,870 --> 00:46:48,569 I don't know. 683 00:46:48,570 --> 00:46:54,350 I suppose I would have to judge by the fact that they did work that sector of 684 00:46:54,350 --> 00:46:55,630 the CIA. Let's be careful. 685 00:46:56,300 --> 00:47:00,000 that agreed with Kennedy, the president, and were friends of mine and agreed 686 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,520 with me. I think they took me seriously on all these things because they were 687 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:04,520 facts. 688 00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,920 You see, I didn't give these people information. Let's be clear about 689 00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:12,120 I never gave the CIA any information. It would be absurd and pertinent of me to 690 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:12,999 think I could. 691 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,460 They had people all over the place. 692 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,340 They wanted information, they got it. 693 00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,100 What they got from me was an interpretation of information. 694 00:47:20,110 --> 00:47:24,310 I think that Kennedy's statements about King being controlled by Peking line 695 00:47:24,310 --> 00:47:28,950 communists may appear to be absurd to us now and absurd to us then if we had 696 00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:35,510 known about them, but quite likely were believed by the agency and by the people 697 00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:40,170 who were reading them. And I think they heightened the paranoia and the fear 698 00:47:40,170 --> 00:47:43,810 about Dr. King and what would happen should he not be stopped. 699 00:47:44,750 --> 00:47:50,630 So when you run into data that says the FBI did this or the CIA did that, 700 00:47:50,770 --> 00:47:54,870 you have to be very careful or you have to investigate a little further because 701 00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:58,070 what it really is probably is the overlap of the two. 702 00:47:58,990 --> 00:48:02,410 The strongest evidence of an FBI and CIA involvement with the assassination 703 00:48:02,410 --> 00:48:07,210 begins with a trail that starts here in Toronto with the aliases or alternative 704 00:48:07,210 --> 00:48:09,750 identities used by James Earl Ray. 705 00:48:10,250 --> 00:48:14,250 In 1967, two months after escaping from prison, Ray began using different 706 00:48:14,250 --> 00:48:15,870 identities at every opportunity. 707 00:48:16,530 --> 00:48:17,750 Four names recur. 708 00:48:18,130 --> 00:48:22,210 All four are real, perfectly innocent people living within a one and a half 709 00:48:22,210 --> 00:48:24,110 radius of each other in a Toronto suburb. 710 00:48:24,330 --> 00:48:27,510 All four had similar physical characteristics to Ray. 711 00:48:27,770 --> 00:48:32,610 One name, Eric Galt, was used by Ray over an entire nine month period prior 712 00:48:32,610 --> 00:48:33,610 his assassination. 713 00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:37,310 When King was killed, the name of the man police thought they were hunting was 714 00:48:37,310 --> 00:48:38,310 Eric Galt. 715 00:48:38,540 --> 00:48:42,340 A sharpshooter with relatives in Rhodesia, Galt could indeed have been a 716 00:48:42,340 --> 00:48:43,340 plausible assassin. 717 00:48:43,660 --> 00:48:45,540 His similarities to Ray are remarkable. 718 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,560 Ray has a scar on his forehead, so has Galt. 719 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:53,700 The scar on my forehead runs from one eye across to the other one. It's right 720 00:48:53,700 --> 00:48:54,700 over the bridge of the nose. 721 00:48:55,120 --> 00:49:00,120 The other scar that I think Ray has would be on the plastic surgery, which 722 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:01,120 on the tip of my nose. 723 00:49:01,660 --> 00:49:06,000 One month before the assassination, using Galt's name, Ray had plastic 724 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,540 on his nose. In addition, Ray and Galt both have scars on their right hands. 725 00:49:11,780 --> 00:49:18,400 Coincidences that really fascinated me was the fact that when I was in Ottawa 726 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:24,380 an Ontario Council meeting, Ray, who had been there, was in two blocks of where 727 00:49:24,380 --> 00:49:25,359 I was. 728 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:31,660 While I was in Montreal on another occasion, Ray was also in an area, was 729 00:49:31,660 --> 00:49:33,500 couple of blocks of where I had stayed. 730 00:49:34,670 --> 00:49:39,390 Identification that he would pick up on me would be absolutely remote. 731 00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:42,750 I don't think there's any way that he has gotten my name out of some 732 00:49:44,010 --> 00:49:46,290 How did Ray get access to these identities? 733 00:49:46,830 --> 00:49:50,710 It's recently come to light that Eric Galt's details were in a top security 734 00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:54,950 because of his work on a then -secret defense contract for the Union Carbide 735 00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:55,950 Company in Toronto. 736 00:49:56,490 --> 00:50:01,690 There are files in every company that we have defense contracts with, very, very 737 00:50:01,690 --> 00:50:04,730 elaborate files, because they want to know who they're dealing with. I myself 738 00:50:04,730 --> 00:50:09,750 have had access to Canadian and Australian and British material that 739 00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:14,770 countries considered secret, top secret and all, and in exchange we provided our 740 00:50:14,770 --> 00:50:20,090 material. So if you were going to fabricate a record for somebody or use 741 00:50:20,090 --> 00:50:23,630 somebody else's record as a cover, that could be done, even though it involved 742 00:50:23,630 --> 00:50:24,970 two countries or three countries. 743 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,060 The alias of this question is crucial because it was unexplained by official 744 00:50:29,060 --> 00:50:31,940 investigations, and it's obviously central to this case. 745 00:50:32,300 --> 00:50:36,900 James Earl Ray was able to use the names of people who looked like him, who were 746 00:50:36,900 --> 00:50:39,960 totally innocent, and in the case of Mr. Galt, who shared uncanny 747 00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:44,120 characteristics with Ray, when Ray had no capacity to have gone to Toronto and 748 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,780 scouted these names out or gotten them from a file. And to me, that means they 749 00:50:47,780 --> 00:50:49,920 were provided to Ray, which means a conspiracy. 750 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:55,760 I really don't recall the Galt name where I got it. And there's a couple of 751 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,500 others I don't recall the details of. 752 00:50:57,720 --> 00:51:01,300 You weren't supplied with a package of alias or identities at one stage? 753 00:51:01,620 --> 00:51:04,500 No, I was never supplied with that. I was supplied with money and things of 754 00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:07,500 nature, but I was never given any alias. 755 00:51:08,140 --> 00:51:11,560 It would have been more simple to give me a passport than give me all those 756 00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,680 phony names to look up. 757 00:51:16,970 --> 00:51:21,630 It was here in July of that year that Ray first started using the Galt name, 758 00:51:21,630 --> 00:51:24,810 here also in July that he claimed to have met the man he knew as Raoul. 759 00:51:25,390 --> 00:51:30,050 After Ray's arrest in May 1968, a Canadian journalist, Andy Salwin, in 760 00:51:30,050 --> 00:51:34,190 evidence of Raoul, came across the footsteps of a mysterious American a few 761 00:51:34,190 --> 00:51:36,090 blocks from where Ray had been living in Montreal. 762 00:51:36,670 --> 00:51:39,050 His name was Jules Rico Kimball. 763 00:51:39,630 --> 00:51:43,250 Kimball's girlfriend told Salwin that Kimball kept guns and explosives in his 764 00:51:43,250 --> 00:51:47,990 car. made frequent phone calls to New Orleans, and was known to her as Rollo. 765 00:51:48,570 --> 00:51:51,690 Was Kimball riled, or could he be linked with Ray in any way? 766 00:51:52,270 --> 00:51:54,150 Sowern couldn't get to him, could we? 767 00:51:59,410 --> 00:52:03,930 So we came to New Orleans, a city frequented by both Jules Rico Kimball 768 00:52:03,930 --> 00:52:08,810 James Earl Ray, where in the 1960s the CIA, the FBI, and the Mafia at times 769 00:52:08,810 --> 00:52:10,810 worked together in an unholy alliance. 770 00:52:12,810 --> 00:52:16,110 We came here on the trail of Kimball and discovered that a famous district 771 00:52:16,110 --> 00:52:20,250 attorney, now a judge, interviewed Kimball as part of his inquiry into the 772 00:52:20,250 --> 00:52:22,230 Orleans connection to the Kennedy assassination. 773 00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:29,130 In the early part of our investigation into John Kennedy's murder, one of the 774 00:52:29,130 --> 00:52:34,030 most interesting individuals we encountered was Jules Rico Kimball. 775 00:52:34,350 --> 00:52:40,050 We learned from him about his relationship as, you might say, a spear 776 00:52:40,050 --> 00:52:46,470 for the CIA here in New Orleans, his relationship with David Ferry and Clay 777 00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:50,450 Shaw, who were considerably more than spear carriers, who were involved here 778 00:52:50,450 --> 00:52:55,330 New Orleans with the New Orleans and the murder of John Kennedy, and about Jules 779 00:52:55,330 --> 00:53:01,330 Rico Kimball's trip to Montreal, a town where he seemed to be knowledgeable, but 780 00:53:01,330 --> 00:53:03,290 we weren't able to get much more than that. 781 00:53:03,610 --> 00:53:10,330 But in the final sum of things, spear carrier or not, Jules Rico Kimball was a 782 00:53:10,330 --> 00:53:16,970 small load, but a rich one with a few specks of gold and 783 00:53:16,970 --> 00:53:22,970 most useful in giving us insights into the role of the covert intelligence 784 00:53:22,970 --> 00:53:25,250 operation in the murder of John Kennedy. 785 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,860 Then we talked to New Orleans private investigator Joe Oster, who'd done 786 00:53:29,860 --> 00:53:33,820 extensive surveillance on Kimball in 1967 because he was a suspect in the 787 00:53:33,820 --> 00:53:35,720 bombing of a left -wing union leader. 788 00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,240 Could Kimball have been in Montreal at the same time as Ray? 789 00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,520 Up to now, nobody's been able to answer this key question. 790 00:53:42,820 --> 00:53:47,300 But there is a week in July 1967 when no one can account for Kimball's 791 00:53:47,300 --> 00:53:48,299 movements. 792 00:53:48,300 --> 00:53:54,680 We interviewed his in -laws, interviewed his relations, we interviewed his wife. 793 00:53:55,259 --> 00:54:00,280 We had his home under surveillance, and we cannot account for that week, week 794 00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:01,920 and a half of where he was. 795 00:54:02,300 --> 00:54:03,600 So he could have been in Montreal. 796 00:54:03,940 --> 00:54:04,940 He could have been anywhere. 797 00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:06,160 He could have been in Montreal. 798 00:54:06,940 --> 00:54:10,600 Where is Kimball now? With the help of Foster's contacts, we finally tracked 799 00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,760 Kimball down to a federal penitentiary. 800 00:54:15,660 --> 00:54:19,920 My name is Jules Ron Kimball. I'm 45 years old. I'm doing a double life 801 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,520 for organized crime and racketeering and murder for underworld killings. 802 00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:29,100 Worked for the government and CIA for quite a few years. I worked on different 803 00:54:29,100 --> 00:54:35,900 things. I was a Google client, a BFB invasion to the assassination 804 00:54:35,900 --> 00:54:37,200 of President Kennedy. 805 00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,720 Can you tell us the story of how you got connected to Montreal? 806 00:54:42,300 --> 00:54:46,120 I had a contact there, and I would visit up there. 807 00:54:46,460 --> 00:54:50,280 At that time, CIA was working at... 808 00:54:51,690 --> 00:54:55,890 They had a, I can't think of the name of it right now, but it was the Quebec, 809 00:54:56,090 --> 00:54:59,170 you know, the Free Canada, which was the French were trying to take over there. 810 00:54:59,470 --> 00:55:04,630 And I went up there, I started going up there, went down and done, I had done a 811 00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:06,170 couple of jobs up there for them. 812 00:55:06,730 --> 00:55:10,030 Can you give me a clue as to what kind of work you did up there for them? 813 00:55:10,610 --> 00:55:12,410 I had done two murders for them there, yes. 814 00:55:13,530 --> 00:55:14,530 In Canada. 815 00:55:16,130 --> 00:55:17,410 Were they political things? 816 00:55:18,490 --> 00:55:21,910 Yes, some of the political things. There was, I think, the CIA front. 817 00:55:22,450 --> 00:55:27,090 See, CIA bail back anybody as long as they can put a man on the inside. 818 00:55:28,610 --> 00:55:32,390 Campbell says he was introduced to an FBI agent in New Orleans and put on the 819 00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:34,590 payroll of the FBI to undertake assignments. 820 00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:39,030 This agent told him to meet Ray at Atlanta Airport and fly him to Canada. 821 00:55:39,810 --> 00:55:41,730 Yeah, mister told me to pick him up. 822 00:55:42,030 --> 00:55:44,770 Told me to pick up and go to Atlanta to Charlie Brown Airport. 823 00:55:45,610 --> 00:55:47,710 And this guy would meet me there. 824 00:55:48,650 --> 00:55:54,350 And I went there, and I stayed there. And he asked me, what's my name? I said, 825 00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:55,470 yes, you're so passionate. 826 00:55:55,810 --> 00:56:01,190 I said, okay, well, I'm ready to go. I took him to a place on Mount Royal 827 00:56:01,190 --> 00:56:03,990 Street, which is in Montreal itself. 828 00:56:04,530 --> 00:56:09,110 And I had a contact there. It was a CIA front in the building. 829 00:56:09,390 --> 00:56:14,350 And I got him his fake identification stuff. 830 00:56:15,779 --> 00:56:17,560 He would give you a whole makeup, you know. 831 00:56:17,820 --> 00:56:21,240 Well, good one, you know, that would stand any kind of security, you know. 832 00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:23,940 you could travel with it just like if you travel on your own and not even 833 00:56:23,940 --> 00:56:24,940 about it, you know. 834 00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:26,200 It was legitimate. 835 00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,040 How do you know that this place was a CIA front? 836 00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:34,460 It, uh, uh, well, back when I first went to Canada, I was given that 837 00:56:34,460 --> 00:56:35,460 information. 838 00:56:35,700 --> 00:56:40,820 I went there and I gave him a code and he recognized me, you know. 839 00:56:41,660 --> 00:56:44,060 I was told what to say when I got there to him. 840 00:56:45,310 --> 00:56:46,330 It was a business place. 841 00:56:46,990 --> 00:56:50,550 And I just went there and no problem. 842 00:56:51,410 --> 00:56:55,090 How did you know that the man you picked up that day later on was James Earl 843 00:56:55,090 --> 00:56:56,090 Ray? 844 00:56:56,290 --> 00:56:58,750 I threw another contact I had. 845 00:56:59,090 --> 00:57:03,590 They told me that they were going to use him for a job at that time. 846 00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:09,130 So did you fly him back to America after his visit? 847 00:57:09,470 --> 00:57:10,470 No, I didn't. 848 00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:12,770 Not him. I threw somebody else back. 849 00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,740 Now, his story is that he met a man called Raoul. 850 00:57:18,060 --> 00:57:20,280 It sounds like that part of Raoul was you. 851 00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,360 And they call me Rico. 852 00:57:23,740 --> 00:57:30,080 So would you say that at least for the Canadian part of Ray's story, you were 853 00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:31,080 Raoul? 854 00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:32,600 Ah, yes, uh -huh. 855 00:57:32,860 --> 00:57:33,860 Yes. 856 00:57:35,100 --> 00:57:38,700 Later in the interview, Kimball claimed that he had assisted Ray after the 857 00:57:38,700 --> 00:57:39,700 assassination. 858 00:57:39,860 --> 00:57:41,760 Yeah, I blew it from down in Montreal, yes. 859 00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:43,920 And turned him over. 860 00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:45,480 The people are. 861 00:57:47,140 --> 00:57:48,280 Can you clarify that? 862 00:57:49,260 --> 00:57:50,740 What did you do after the assassination? 863 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,880 What did I do after the assassination? What did I do after the assassination? I 864 00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,340 told you I flew into Canada after the assassination. 865 00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,800 So can I show you a picture in front of you and ask you whether you recognize 866 00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:04,300 him or have you seen him before? 867 00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:05,600 No, 868 00:58:07,380 --> 00:58:08,380 I don't believe I do. 869 00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,960 There was a person that looked similar to him in this Jim's grill I mentioned a 870 00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:13,839 while ago. 871 00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:18,600 But that's been 20 years ago, and it would be difficult for me to remember 872 00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,860 what he looked like. I gave a description of the person I saw in 873 00:58:22,860 --> 00:58:26,940 course, like I mentioned, that's been 20 years ago, and I don't think they'll 874 00:58:26,940 --> 00:58:29,540 ever... His name is George Rico Kimball. 875 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:30,760 Yes. 876 00:58:30,940 --> 00:58:37,860 Now, he's in prison at the moment. He specifically alleged that he flew you 877 00:58:37,860 --> 00:58:42,900 to Canada and assisted you in gaining your... 878 00:58:43,410 --> 00:58:46,090 identities from a character in Montreal. 879 00:58:47,310 --> 00:58:50,110 Is there any truth in that at all? No, there's no truth in that whatsoever. 880 00:58:50,350 --> 00:58:51,149 I don't know. 881 00:58:51,150 --> 00:58:52,850 I've never had any contact with him. 882 00:58:53,110 --> 00:58:55,350 Possibly I've seen him, but I don't even recall that. 883 00:58:56,470 --> 00:59:01,390 He may be under some type of... Is he in prison now? 884 00:59:01,630 --> 00:59:05,150 Well, there's a possibility he's under some type of pressure from the 885 00:59:05,150 --> 00:59:06,150 government. 886 00:59:06,750 --> 00:59:10,750 He may know something about the King case, but he's trying to disinformation 887 00:59:10,750 --> 00:59:11,750 things of that nature. 888 00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:18,180 Every single statement that he gave us turned out to be true without exception. 889 00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:19,580 There was no dissembling. 890 00:59:19,780 --> 00:59:26,200 The only, in retrospect, I can see from going through his whole file here, 891 00:59:26,300 --> 00:59:33,120 the only information that is not true is what had been planted in his mind back 892 00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:40,120 at that time towards the end of his service for the CIA here in the city, 893 00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:41,260 covert operations. 894 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:46,500 is where they have planted in his mind the idea that he was really working for 895 00:59:46,500 --> 00:59:50,900 the Ku Klux Klan or the white citizens or something like that, which is kind of 896 00:59:50,900 --> 00:59:55,720 a standard operating procedure for intelligence agencies before they 897 00:59:55,720 --> 01:00:00,700 somebody after they perform things. But in the final analysis, Kimball himself 898 01:00:00,700 --> 01:00:01,700 never lies. 899 01:00:02,590 --> 01:00:04,950 I think there are several reasons why Ray won't tell us more. 900 01:00:05,250 --> 01:00:09,190 First of all, what he knows will probably not make him look more innocent 901 01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:10,350 he wants to claim to be innocent. 902 01:00:10,690 --> 01:00:14,390 Second of all, I think he was compartmentalized and kept in the dark 903 01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:18,490 what he knows about the case may only make him look worse and not be able to 904 01:00:18,490 --> 01:00:23,210 turn over to law enforcement the identities or position of the 905 01:00:23,210 --> 01:00:26,130 it won't help them that much and it won't help him that much. He wants to 906 01:00:26,130 --> 01:00:30,750 he was framed by Raul. I think that Raul does not exist and is a composite in 907 01:00:30,750 --> 01:00:31,750 Ray's mind. 908 01:00:32,110 --> 01:00:35,490 a series of shadowy figures, a network, if you will, who helped him in the 909 01:00:35,490 --> 01:00:36,490 Baffination conspiracy. 910 01:00:36,970 --> 01:00:40,930 And I believe that some of the characteristics Ray attributes to Raoul 911 01:00:40,930 --> 01:00:44,830 characteristics of some of these people who associated with Ray and helped him, 912 01:00:44,850 --> 01:00:45,910 but there is no one Raoul. 913 01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:50,310 He does not want to talk about who the conspirators really might be or how they 914 01:00:50,310 --> 01:00:52,290 might have provided him with aliases and couriers. 915 01:00:53,570 --> 01:00:56,510 Kimball's statement to us is the first time that anyone has confessed to being 916 01:00:56,510 --> 01:01:00,210 part of the conspiracy to kill King, although he says he did not know that 917 01:01:00,210 --> 01:01:01,210 the purpose. 918 01:01:01,900 --> 01:01:05,640 In subsequent communications, he's been more insistent about the CIA's central 919 01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:10,100 role in the assassination, and further alleged that he flew in two snipers to 920 01:01:10,100 --> 01:01:11,760 Memphis the week before the killing. 921 01:01:12,180 --> 01:01:14,920 Ray, he says, was not the assassin, but a pawn. 922 01:01:16,100 --> 01:01:19,980 We believe that the evidence of Ray as the assassin is weak, that he had a 923 01:01:19,980 --> 01:01:21,160 relatively minor role. 924 01:01:21,700 --> 01:01:25,420 A House Assassinations Committee investigator told us that if they could 925 01:01:25,420 --> 01:01:28,860 got evidence of a Kim or Ray connection, it would have been very significant. 926 01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:30,940 Surely, now is the time. 927 01:01:31,260 --> 01:01:32,320 to reopen this case. 928 01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:38,780 I think we should challenge them to do what is right. But I think that good 929 01:01:38,780 --> 01:01:41,300 someday is going to triumph over evil. 930 01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:45,320 And if there is evil, if it relates to the Justice Department, if it relates to 931 01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,980 the entire federal government, good will one day prevail. 932 01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,840 That's what my father taught us. That's what my mother taught us. 933 01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,660 That's hopefully what we embody as a family. 85993

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