All language subtitles for The.Many.Lives.of.Benjaman.Kyle.S01E03.1080p.WEB.h264-EDITH_track3_[eng]

[Shannon]
We got that by accident.

Benjaman Kyle's own brother,
the first time he's seen him

since 1983, "allegedly,"

saying, "When you come home
after committing a murder,

you're out of sync
with the universe."

[ominous music plays]

[Shannon]
The only way to know the truth
about Benjaman is we have to go

around knocking on doors
and talking to people who knew

Benjaman before he disappeared.

And Benjaman has no idea
that we heard his brother

talking to him about murder.

He doesn't know
that we're on to him.

We're going to...

my second cousin's house.

I'm a little nervous.

I guess it strikes me as
kind of strange that none

of the cousins have tried
to contact me.

[knocking noises]

-Hello.
-Hi.

-I'm Mike Piggot.
-Bill Powell.

Are you a hugger?

No.
[laughs]

-Oh, you're a Piggot.
-[Benjaman] All right, we can do
it for the film.

-No, that's OK.
-Oh.

Bill is my second cousin

and my dad's first cousin,

my dad being Bill Piggot.

That's him at an older age.

So this is my house.

I live here with my wife
and two kids.

Have a seat.

I only know Bill as a legend.

He was here,
and then he was missing.

And then,
when asked about later in life,

nobody knew where you were.
You were just gone.

And then eventually,

they just kind of made ref --
they -- they --

I don't know
if this is morbid or not,

but they just assumed
you were dead.

-Because nobody heard from you.
-[Benjaman] Yeah, yeah.

We know I was in Colorado
until the middle -- middle '80s.

And after that, we don't know
what happened.

The only thing we know
is that I am not an ax murderer,

because they can't find
my fingerprints anywhere

on any crime scenes or anything.

Well, that you didn't get --
you didn't get caught for.

[Benjaman laughs]

Seems peculiar to me that when
somebody disappears and they

don't want to be found,
and then they show up

and suddenly have amnesia,

you may be running
from something.

I wonder if he got in trouble
with the law.

Do you really have amnesia,
or you're hiding something?

So when he brought up
the fingerprints, I'm like,

you know,

"Is there something more?
Are you hiding from somebody?"

And now you show up
and you're, like,

laughing about fingerprints
or whatever.

I'm like, "Maybe, maybe
you killed somebody."

[dramatic chord
strike]

[theme music plays]

[theme music fades]

♪♪

When we were kids, that was
the barber shop and the bunny

would come down
and pass out candy.

And the right side was
a jewelry store.

Was it?
I don't remember.

Is your memory coming
back any?

Ah, evidently, it seems to be.
I'm remembering stuff here.

[Furman] Down on the corner,
they moved in a caboose

and turned it into a bar.

My father was so abusive,
and Bill moved out,

and he got an apartment.

And he was only about 14.

When you moved out of the house.

All my life, I've wondered how
you paid for an apartment.

I never knew.

-What I'm wondering is how did
-this teenager pay

for an apartment on his own?

Where did he get this cash?
What was he doing?

So we did some digging.

And after living downtown
as a teen,

Benjaman lived with
this family, the Richardsons.

And apparently, he lived
in a trailer on their property.

And Clayton, their son,

hasn't seen Benjaman since 1976.

[knocking noises]

-[Benjaman] Hi there.
-Hi.

[Benjaman]
Hey, are you Clay?

Yes, sir.
Are you Mr. Powell?

[Benjaman]
I guess so.

You sure sound
like Mr. Powell.

Come here, buddy.

-Where the hell have you been?
-[Benjaman] I don't know.

-I guess I'm back.
-[Clay] I got so many questions.

Or do you remember where
you lived at and how you met me?

How you met my dad?

Did your dad have
a gas station behind

across from the theater?
-Yes, he did.

He called it
Richardson's Conoco.

But that's the trailer where
you lived at.

Huh.

Do you remember
the ceiling was so low

and you were so tall?

No.
Yeah, no.

That you, uh, you ripped
that roof -- raised it?

-Huh.
-Do you remember what kind
of beer you was drinking

back at the time?
-Schlitz.

Yep, that's right.

You never forget
the beer you drank.

[both laugh]

Remember why you had
to take off?

Got a girl knocked up?

Or was you
in trouble or something, or...?

No, I don't --
I don't think -- um...

I don't know.

I get emotional.

I thought bad thoughts
of Bill being gone.

I thought he was dead.

[sniffles]

-We'll do it again.
-I'd like that.

[Clay]
Yeah.

I like that too, Bill.

He was like my --
like my big brother, and...

then all of a sudden,
he wasn't there.

He just vanished.

I was sure happy to see him,

and he seemed to remember
a few things,

but he wasn't too sure
about why he disappeared.

I just don't know.

When Bill disappeared,
sometime before that,

he was doing janitor work
at the strip bar,

coming in three o'clock,
four o'clock in the morning.

Not the nicest people
in the world

goes to those strip bars.

And of course he knew,

just by listening,

about all these
not-too-good people.

And then he just disappeared.

And then they found
an unidentified body up

by America's river junction,
Tippecanoe, Wabash Rivers,

an unidentified body.

And then they also found
the body unidentified

in Murdock Park.

So we were concerned
that he could have been killed,

and someone killed him.

[rock music plays]

I'm Jimmie Kesterson,
and if you can't tell,

I really love tractors.

I'm a former Indiana
State Police trooper.

I was with the State Police
for 28 years.

[cat purrs]

And my interest was
to criminal investigations,

and I worked a lot of
investigations during that time.

Back in the mid- to late-'70s
was a tough time for Lafayette.

There were four or five major
crime families,

and doing most of the --
the major crimes.

It was a lot of burglaries,

car thefts, drug dealers,

prostitution, and there were
numerous unsolved homicides.

There were specific taverns
and locations where people

connected with crimes
would congregate.

If you wanted to go
and buy guns, and if you wanted

somebody's arm or leg broken,
that's where you'd get it done.

On the missing persons report
of William Powell,

if I had to guess on the car
why I think it would be ditched

and the license plates
taken off,

if they had committed

a crime or had been
at the scene of a crime.

But with crimes,
you know, burglaries,

rape, those things all have
statute of limitation.

Bill would know that the only
thing he could still

be tried for is murder.

This is the first time
that Benjaman has suggested

that we meet someone
who may know him.

I'm very suspicious.

I have to follow every lead
right now,

but nothing prepared me
for what I was about to hear.

William was coming along
this driveway across

there, and I waved at him
and he waved back.

And at first,
I thought he recognized me.

And he came over and he started
chatting with me

and he introduced himself.

So then, I knew
he didn't know who I was.

Ila just told me
that Benjaman is a hitman.

What I'm trying to figure out
is why would he point us

in the direction of a lady
who would flat out say

that he is a murderer?
Why would you do that?

I'm Ila Solomon.

And what do you
want to know about me?

I'm just a housewife.

William Powell,
he's friends of my husband.

They used to go fishing.

And Willie Powell
has been in this house.

This is the couch that
Willie Powell used to sleep on

when he used to come
to my house.

In the '90s.

From, yeah, from like
'94 to 2000, probably.

I used to cook breakfast
for him.

Cornbread waffles.

When I saw him at the cemetery,

he said he doesn't like waffles.
[laughs]

I thought, "Oh, my God,
I've given you like

over a hundred waffles."

But he didn't remember.

He had a reputation for...

not putting up
with any [bleep] from any guys.

If you had a husband
or a boyfriend

that would beat you up,
you could go to Willie

and he would
get rid of him.

Willie never hurt
a woman or a child,

but he had a huge reputation
for hurting men, huge.

There was a rumor about
this girl who was 16-years-old

who got gang raped.

And he took some guys out
fishing and they never

came back.
Just put it that way.

He had a knife
that he kept in his right ankle,

had a gun he kept
in his left ankle,

kept a hatchet in his back,

and he would carry a baseball
bat from time to time.

I'm surprised
you noticed them.

[Alexander]
We did some digging to figure
out who this lady is,

and she was arrested because --
she went to jail.

[reporter]
Solomon says her husband
wanted to be eaten by birds

following his death.

So he wanted me to open
the door so the birds

from the ravine would come in.
But the birds never came in.

They only got as far
as the air conditioner.

[reporter] Police got suspicious
and entered the house.

They found a body of a deceased
person in advanced stage

of decay.
It was Gavin's remains.

The coroner determined
that Gavin's dead body had been

there for nine months.

Prosecutors did charge her
with a Class A misdemeanor

of failure to report
a dead body.

[Ken] Ila has some credibility
issues with respect

to her mental challenges.

Benjaman was adamant
that we needed to go back

and talk to her,
and that is very strange.

It's -- it's part of his plan.

"Go talk to this lady,
go talk to this lady,"

and then he's gonna use
that to discredit you.

[Shannon]
"You talked to a crazy lady,

and now you're accusing me
of being a hitman."

[Alexander]
I think Benjaman's clearly
toying with us.

I think Benjaman set us up
to meet with someone who's,

you know, could be completely
discredited here.

He may have
this checkered past,

he may be a hitman,

but we have to find a more
reliable source to corroborate

everything that we suspect.

We clearly need a better lead.

[phone line ringing]

-[automated voice] At the tone,
please record your message.
-[beep]

This is Ken Maxwell calling.
We're in the Lafayette area.

[knocking noises]

This is Shannon Evangelista.
I spoke to you a while --

[sewing machine ticking]

[Sue] I took care of all
the cleaners in Lafayette.

I did all their sewing.

My name is Sue,
and Bill Powell used to go

fishing with my uncle.

[laughs]

I know him.
Yes.

Yes.

In the '90s,

I met William Powell
at a night spot.

He had a switchblade
and a gun on.

He wore it -- he wore it
on his side, on his right side.

But it didn't bother me.

And we had a real good time
that night.

I gave him my number.
He was good-looking.

He reminded me
of a depressed person.

I never seen him smile,

but he'd had a sexy look.

No smile.

[Ken]
So --

He looked in my eyes
and I could get lost in his.

[Sue laughs]

That is the truth.

I did.

not saying --
would you remember --
-I slept with him, OK?

Devon Plaza Hotel.

I spent the evening
with him there.

I was safe.

[laughs]
I was carrying a gun.

And I didn't get
that far from it.

But he carried himself
like a mobster.

He reminded me of a hitman.

I think he --
he could be violent.

I think he really could.

When you have multiple people

that knew William Powell
tell you

"This is a really dangerous
person who's very vengeful,

and he's worked
as a hitman in the past,"

it's terrifying.

[suspenseful music builds]

Yes, I met him through
the cleaners

where I do my sewing.
I used to do his fittings.

He had a rough one.

-[Ken] So --
-He was a rough man.

I gotta be careful what I say.

[unidentified woman speaking]

Thank you.

[unidentified woman speaking]

[Ken] You have to educate me.
Wrapped up in what?

I don't understand.

[Ken]
I understand that.

[unidentified woman speaking]

Yes.

[Shannon] Benjaman Kyle,
aka William Powell,

is a highly intelligent person.

He is always thinking
20 steps ahead.

He is manipulative
and deceptive.

And if I believe what
I've been told by other people,

he's potentially
extremely dangerous.

I want
a criminal profiler involved.

The plan is we're gonna
bring in Chris Voss.

Chris Voss has worked
on huge cases for the FBI.

He basically was
a hostage negotiator.

My name is Chris Voss.
I was an FBI agent.

I was a hostage negotiator.

I've got a 27-year history

dealing with
the most dangerous people

in the world while they're lying
and actively deceiving

and figuring out how
to get them to tell the truth

or when they're
telling the truth.

[Shannon] I want to set up
a hidden camera.

Under the guise
that Chris was a producer...

He'll interview Benjaman.

[clapboard clicks]

I want to get a real handle on
what he thinks about Benjaman.

[Chris] There's some pretty
standard things people do

when they're deceiving.

And so, for example,
in the case of Benjaman,

it's going to be
about what he gives away

with his body language
and his answers.

A deception is a nervous
response about that answer.

And if they're worried
about tells, they're lying.

[Eric] This is Chris.
Chris, this is Benjaman Kyle.

-Benjaman, how are you?
-Hi.

-All right.
-Nice to meet you.

We want to bring his true self
out as much as possible.

I'm gonna want him -- to make
him feel relaxed and welcome,

like he's in a safe environment,
like he could be himself.

You wanna drink coffee?

[indistinct]

[Chris] I'm just trying to get
him to drop his guard.

I'm trying to see
if we can bond a little bit,

if we can find something
we can talk about,

if I can catch him
off guard.

You prefer to go -- you prefer
to be called Benjaman?

It's Bill Powell?

I'm sorry.
You prefer William --

you prefer William to Bill?
We're being formal here now?

Are you -- are you being formal?

All right, forgive me for
joking around about it, then,

I apologize.

Right.

He had a tremendous
amount of difficulty

saying that he was
William Powell.

There's some real control
issues here with him, too.

He's engaging in physical
behavior that typically

indicates deception.

It's a variety of tells
from where he puts his hand

completely over his face.

At different times,
he put his hands out

and completely covered his face
with both hands

and then brought it down.
This is a defensive move.

He's worried about the answer,
and he's buying time

so the brain can spin
something up.

I've also reviewed
the various interviews,

video footage of Benjaman.

The abuse when I was a kid,

if it's as bad as what
my brother was saying it was,

saying it was, that might,

to a large extent,
explain the memory amnesia.

He said, "Well, the memory loss
is as a result

of my abuse as a child."

And Eric says,
"Well, that's 20 years ago."

And he stops
dead in his tracks,

realizing that that's
a bit of a stretch.

Ugh, crap.

After having been successfully
kept all this secret

for a long time,

now he's got --
now he's got to create more

to cover it up.

I mean, if you were to turn
the sound off and just watch,

and no context
other than body language,

my impression of that interview

was here's a guy
who's just seething with anger.

In my view, Benjaman Kyle
is a highly manipulative,

highly practiced liar.

He executes his stories
in a very focused

and cold-blooded manner,

what some people might refer to
as a psychopath.

I'd be stunned if this didn't
end up in an arrest of Benjaman

for some crime that's
significant enough for him

to want to go into hiding
for 20 years.

[Shannon] Under the guise
that Chris was a producer,

he interviewed Benjaman,
and he came back and said that

he believes that Benjaman
quite probably is a psychopath.

But we needed hard evidence.

The missing persons report,
I think it's the key for us

to figure out
what he was running from.

Our leads
from the missing persons report.

Thomas Powell is dead.
Don Richardson is dead.

[Bleep] won't talk to us.

William Powell
is not being truthful.

That leaves only one person,
Charles "Chico" Goetz.

Like, he's literally the only
key to unlock any information.

We believe that Benjaman,
aka William Powell,

worked for one of the biggest
crime families in Lafayette.

And we're starting to fill in
the picture of that family.

The bar,
that was their headquarters.

And then there were
the soldiers who worked

for the boss.

And allegedly,
Benjaman was one of them.

This report has
so much information with respect

to Powell's activities
back in 1976, in Indiana.

[Shannon]
At this stage of the game,
this is what I know.

I know Benjaman Kyle
is really William Powell.

I know that he left
in March of 1976.

Why would he do that?

I want to know
what really happened.

In looking at this report,
a few things show

that William Powell in his 20s
is linked to people who are

engaged in criminal activity.

The missing persons report had
this really weird section

about a crime boss that broke
into Bill's brother's house

to steal a microwave cookbook
that Bill left behind.

What's so important
about a cookbook?

To me, this is strange.

And also, the report says a red
'66 Rambler, no plates on it.

Had been found abandoned on
the side road near Oakdale Dam.

William was in the company
of Charles "Chico" Goetz.

If Chico fled with Benjaman,
he could have been one

of the other soldiers
working for the crime boss.

[Ken]
He and Chico flee Lafayette
in the middle of the night

after taking the license plates
off Powell's car

and ditching it
up in a rural area.

You only do that if you're
running from something.

You're hiding something,
probably something criminal

that you did.

The challenge is,
how do we bring it to a point

that we can actually prove it?

The answer lies with Chico.

-Hey.
-How you doing?

Good, Chico.
How are you?

Doing well.

[crew member]
Did you do the AudioVerse?
Did you put his microphone on?

[crew member #2]
He is locked up.

[crew member] We're rolling
any time you want.

So, let's kind of start
from square one, when you first

ran across Bill Powell.

Well, we both worked

for United Artists Theaters
in Lafayette, Indiana.

He was very easy
to get along with.

He was really the only friend
I had at that time in my life.

And I think it was lonely
for him, too.

I seemed to be his only --
only real social outlet, also.

We had a lot of fun.

We were pretty young and dumb
and did some stupid things.

But we were both
pretty honest folks.

I think what
was really happening

in that period, though,

is that we were
starting to drink more.

We were sitting over there
at Keggers

in Illinois one night.

It had to have been midnight,
1 o'clock in the morning.

And I told him I had a buddy
out in Colorado.

"Why don't we go to Colorado?"

And he said,
"All right, let's do it."

So, we drove back to Lafayette.

We cleared out my apartment,
we cleared out his trailer,

and we were headed to Colorado

when the sun came up
that morning.

1976.

Never did.

We, uh, I'm sure
the missing persons report was

written up for us leaving
for Colorado,

and the cops never
caught up with me.

It's not?

[gasps]

[Chico] Wow.

Carroll County.

We must have left it up around
my parents' place somewhere.

Yeah, that's close
to my parents' house.

I had to have been.

[laughs]

I don't know, I don't know.

I may have helped.

I don't know.

Sounds to me like we may not
have been as honest

and uppity up
as I thought we were.

[laughs heartily]

That's pretty sneaky,
underhanded stuff.

Nothing about this makes sense.

Or passes a sniff test
in any way, shape, or form.

I don't blame
you for being careful

about what you're saying.

I think you're trying to make
sure you don't hurt Bill.

[Chico] My memory might be
a little twisted

because I do hold him dear.

I mean,

I think he had a little bit
of a wild man buried in him.

He would come up
with off-the-wall things

every once in a while.

To me, they were off-the-wall.

Now you're gonna
make me say that.

Uh, [stammers.]

Things like some of the places

he would take me
in Lafayette there.

There was a piece of the old
Wabash and Erie Canal

next to the road.

You have to get over
into the woods,

and pretty soon you can find
what's left of a ditch.

[Chris] So what are you
telling me, though?

[stammering] What's the point?

[Chico]
I guess we were drinking,
and maybe that's why

my memory is strained.

It was a strained time.

[Chris] The two of you guys,
you were troubled.

Yeah, that's a fair thing
to say, yeah.

Chico told us that Powell
would take him to a place

that he called "the Ditch."

But we also heard
from Powell's brother Furman...

And then they found
an unidentified body

up by America's river junction,
Tippecanoe, Wabash Rivers,

We have two people
who don't talk to one another

talking about the same place.

[Shannon]
I don't believe Chico.

We realized that the story
went a lot deeper

than what he was telling us.

The plan is we're gonna
surprise Benjaman with Chico.

We want real reactions.

[Benjaman] Well,
I just thought of something.

You used to see their carriages
on the street once in a while.

[Chris] Hey, what's happening?
Nice to see you.

Oh.

There's a stranger
amongst you.

-Oh, hey, I need to get out
of that picture, don't I?
-I'm used to strangers.

[Chris] Why don't you guys
go ahead and introduce
yourselves, you two.

I'm Chico Goetz.

-Bill Powell.
-Really?

[Chico] I don't believe it.
You're...

Benjaman, right?
-Yeah.

Nice to meet you.

It has been a very long time.

Hmm.

I'm sorry you don't remember
a whole lot of that.

[stuttering] I don't.
Um, um...

-[stammers] Yeah.
-[laughs]

[Chris] You know,
he was an important guy to you.

Yeah, I guess.
I don't.

[Chris]
You should be happy to see
a guy who was important to you.

[Chico] Well.

I didn't remember him.
I didn't recognize him.

And it took a while of thinking
before I finally realized that,

you know,
some of his voice mannerisms

seemed familiar.

[Shannon]
Benjaman is terrified
that we brought Chico.

When we confronted him,
he turns white.

-He's ashen.
-He sat there.

Glared.

[Shannon]
It was a strange dynamic.

Chico had more
like a predatory attitude.

It was like Chico
is looking dead on at him,

and Benjaman
would not return eye contact.

Like, if they're hiding
something, I want to see them

get their story straight.

And then I want to see
what they talk about.

[Shannon]
A minute, Chico and Benjaman
spoke alone without cameras.

It's like he's warning Benjaman,

"This is what we have to say,
'cause this is what they know."

Psychopaths, from a hostage
negotiator's perspective,

I know that
they're control freaks.

So losing control
is going to infuriate them.

Oh, OK.

The minute we would put him
in any situation

where he was losing control,
the guy that he really is,

the antisocial,
angry person would step out.

That's who you saw
when we met Chico.

Why didn't they tell me
they had found him?

I mean, just tell me
they had found him.

You know, why didn't --

why the [bleep]
didn't you tell me

that he was bringing --
bringing him in?

Bill was a pretty serious guy,
but I could make him laugh,

you know, pretty quick.

-I believe so,
yeah, because, uh...
-[Eric] OK.

I was, uh...

I was a housekeeper over there.

I would suspect that maybe

he got some wrongdoings
with some wrong people,

maybe, or something,
you know?

And that he may have
cheated somebody

back then you didn't do.

No, I wouldn't say I did,
but I can't say I didn't either.

Well...

[Eric]
Hmm.

-[Eric] Yeah.
-So I really...

[Ken]
Here's the Wabash, right?

-Tippecanoe.
-Tippecanoe.

OK, I'm sorry.
I stand corrected.

If I had a memory,
and I don't have a memory.

But I think you do.

My point is,
you remember a lot of things.
We're

going to go back to that night
when you guys left for Colorado,

so we're going to go visit
where the car was left.

Trying to find out what really
happened back then,

why William Powell ran away
in the middle of the night

with his friend Chico Goetz.

Did you ever hear
the name Chico Goetz?

I can't say anything.

[Ken] What do you mean?
Chico Goetz.

[unidentified woman speaking]

-Be careful.
-[unidentified woman speaking]

[Ken]
I'm sorry.

I couldn't hear you.
I couldn't hear you.

He's not sane?

-He's not a saint.
-[unidentified woman]
Not a saint.

[Ken]
Are you aware of anybody
who's been killed?

We can't say.

[Chico] This is the road
in the police report.

This is where I remember it.

[Ken]
So it's 2 or 3 o'clock
in the morning.

And Bill Powell,
he wants to dump his car.

Right?
And he's gonna pick this road.

Why?

Why?

That's what I'm saying.

-We wanted
to get rid of that car.
-Chico,

Chico, Chico.

[Chico]
I know what it sounds like.

[Ken]
Let me tell you something.

It -- it --
it's not kosher, baby.

Give me -- give me
a legitimate reason.

All right, I'm gonna sit back
as a smart guy.

Give me a legitimate reason

why Bill Powell,
at 3 o'clock in the morning,

wants to take a set of [bleep]
license plates off a car?

-[Chico] What?
-[Ken] Give me the legitimate
reason.

You remember a lot of things.

[ominous music plays]

[Ken]
OK.

Yep.

Will you guys just let me

take a little walk
down the road and back?

[Ken]
You looked upset.

'Cause I can't --

[Ken]
So you're upset because --

I'm not getting the detail.

[Ken]
Look, if you don't remember,
you don't remember,

you don't get upset about that.

You're upset about something
you do remember.

At some point, the truth
will come out on all this.

You want to put yourself
in a good position here.

You know?

You know
what we're going to do?

We're going to go to the ditch.

You're gonna
show us the ditch.

We wouldn't know about that
ditch if you didn't tell us.

-That's the ditch.
-[Chico] That's the ditch.

So why was it so important

for you to tell us
about this ditch?

[Ken]
Yeah?

Come on down here.

It sure does.
Follow me here.

This is your way of getting it
off your chest

that he shared
something with you.

You ever hear
about any missing persons
around this area?

[Chico]
You know, there's been
some things going on at Purdue.

-Uh-huh.
-[Chico] But, uh...

What -- what -- like what?

-[Chico] It seems like one they
found murdered somewhere.
-Mm-hmm.

[Chico]
You know, and she was missing
for a while

when they found her body.

[Ken]
Chico, Chico.

You understand
how serious this is?

[Chico]
I understand.

[Ken]
If we had to get cadaver dogs.

If we had to dig
this place up, right?

And we find something,
guess where the FBI

and the police are gonna start?

You.

'Cause you showed us
this place.

Why don't you think about that?

You don't want to ever get
on that train and know something

and not share it,
and then we uncover it.

[Chico]
I'm -- that train's not there.

I'm trying to be honest
with you guys.

I have done
some bad things in my life.

I've never done anything

like rape or murder,

and I'm trying
not to hide anything.

[Ken]
That's [bleep].

You're lying.
This isn't over.

Hello?

[Ken]
Thanks for calling back.

We're trying to find people

who might remember
William Powell.

[family member speaking]