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Previously on Proven Innocent...
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How you doing on Madeline Scott?
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- Come on, I mean, it's not that bad.
- Oh, it's bad.
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I can't print this.
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- Okay, I will get you something.
- You better.
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Or someone else will.
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12 years ago, your opponent,
Esteban-Miller,
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represented Falcone on a series
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of corruption charges and won.
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I thought this was
your candidate of choice.
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Please believe that my being here means
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I was out of options.
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Toby Kissell?
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Keep your drug-addicted
brother away from me.
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Don't you come in here
like you're the innocent victim.
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You're a coward, and you're pathetic.
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And everything that happened to him
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is your fault.
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Fill out the form
in any language you like.
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Just tell us your story.
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- We'll try to help you if we can.
- All right.
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- We also have care packages
- Thank you.
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- with snacks and makeup
- Thank you.
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and hair care products.
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There's also a prepaid commissary card
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with a $20 credit.
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Miss Scott. Do you know me?
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- Hey.
- Uh... yeah.
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You're... Adele Meyerson?
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I didn't kill my mother, Miss Scott.
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You got to believe me.
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I-I was wrongfully convicted
by the press,
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- just like you were.
- Okay. All right.
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Here's what I want you to do, Adele.
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Fill out this form, get it back
to me, and we'll review it.
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I-I can't stay here, okay?
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This place is a living nightmare.
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- I can't...
- Fill out the form.
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I'll review it personally.
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And I won't be swayed
by any of the past press.
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- Okay, thank you. I...
- Move out the way, bitch.
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They got $20 with my name on it.
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Oh, it's okay.
You can just step around.
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Why I got to step around
when she in my way?
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Hey!
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Maddie.
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Hey, get off her.
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Don't even think about it.
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- You okay?
- Thank you.
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Want to put some ice on that, slugger?
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- Thank you.
- Yep.
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Do you want me to
wrap your hand in a...
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a bag of frozen peas or something?
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Like Bradley Cooper in A Star Is Born?
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What does he have
that I don't have, huh?
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Are you asking that seriously?
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I didn't see it. How was it?
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I loved it. Why'd you skip it?
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I don't watch movies
with self-pitying white folks.
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So you haven't seen
a Julia Roberts movie since...?
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- Never.
- Okay, I'm gonna jump in now.
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Uh, no, I don't need
a bag of frozen peas, thank you.
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Yes, I love Julia Roberts.
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And lastly, does anyone have
anything useful on Adele?
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Otherwise known as "CinderHella,"
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convicted of stabbing
her stepmother 37 times.
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Adopted mother.
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She was born in Korea
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and adopted by Taylor Meyerson,
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who's this billionaire textile magnate
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who brought her here
when she was six years old.
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Uh, the media says
Adele's adopted mother
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- never loved her.
- Well,
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she didn't speak English very well
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when she got here, so her mother
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ostracized her, called her stupid.
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She bonded with Daddy.
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He loved her, spoiled her,
and she loved him.
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I think her mother resented her because
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just after Daddy died...
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Adele got treated like Cinderella.
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Except for, in this fairy tale,
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CinderHella gets revenge.
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With a knife. 37 times.
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Adele swears she didn't do it.
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Oh, then she's definitely innocent.
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Yeah, because if she isn't,
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then she would be the first
convicted murderer
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to lie in the history
of American crime.
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Okay, your collective
trepidation is noted.
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But I remember the case
against her wasn't that strong.
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Did you hear the zombie-like 911 call?
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That's what convicted her
with the public.
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People didn't think my 911 call
was that great, either.
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Please, help.
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She's not breathing.
There's so much blood.
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She's dead. Rosemary's dead.
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You can't win.
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You're either too emotional
or not emotional enough.
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The only person who thought
I was telling the truth was...
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Was me... And just like you,
she contacted
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every innocence project she could.
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And... no one wanted to take her case,
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just like no one wanted to take mine.
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I love it when you two
go down memory lane.
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It's sweet, right?
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Should we go talk to Adele?
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Please.
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On this week's episode
of Until Proven Innocent,
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we will look at the case
of Adele Meyerson.
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It is a salacious tale
of greed and hate
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between an adopted daughter and
the mother who never loved her.
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In the famous novel The Stranger,
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the protagonist is convicted of murder
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mostly because he doesn't cry
at his mother's funeral.
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Sometimes, what we show
the world is more important
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than what is actually true.
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911. What is your emergency?
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My mother's on the kitchen floor.
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There's blood.
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She's not moving.
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Is she breathing?
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She's dead.
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I don't know why I sounded like that.
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I-I can't even remember calling 911.
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You were probably in shock.
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Do you remember finding
your mother's body?
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Kind of.
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I saw my mother, and there was
so much blood, I...
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something in my brain
just kind of shut off.
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After I found her, I couldn't sleep.
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I couldn't eat. I couldn't do anything.
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My aunt got so freaked out,
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she had me locked up in a mental ward.
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The case file says
you went in voluntarily.
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They make you say that
so they can keep you there
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over 48 hours.
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I missed my mother's funeral.
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I missed my best friend's funeral.
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They used it against me
at trial, said I was heartless.
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They did the same thing to me.
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It's a really common tactic.
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Especially when their case
isn't that strong.
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They convict you with
character assassination.
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The police did have physical evidence.
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They found bruising on your body
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consistent with a struggle.
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I know. And I can't explain that.
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I don't know how I got those bruises.
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You really can't remember?
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No...
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All these years later,
the whole thing is just a blur.
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The bruises were just there.
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What about the witness statements?
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Half your family members
testified against you.
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A lot of people lied,
for a lot of different reasons.
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They wanted her inheritance,
so they pinned it
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on the adopted Korean girl
who hated her mother.
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Why'd you hate her?
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Because she hated me.
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The CinderHella thing
is partially true.
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She treated me like her personal slave.
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You're not exactly convincing us
you didn't do it.
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I wasn't perfect,
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and my mother and I, we fought a lot,
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but I-I wouldn't hurt her.
I would never hurt anybody.
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All right, Adele. We'll keep digging.
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And maybe we'll find a glass slipper.
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A story
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is the most important part
of the trial.
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What happened?
What does the evidence say?
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What's truth?
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And what is fiction?
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As wrongful conviction advocates,
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we know that the best place to
start retelling that story
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is with the original trial lawyer.
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Well, we know the case
is a little thin,
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but anything you can offer would help.
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It only took the cops and
the prosecutors about a week.
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They rushed the DNA,
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they didn't canvass all the witnesses,
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but had their theory, and that was it.
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Their theory being a bratty adopted kid
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who killed the mother
who never loved her.
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Yeah, but don't forget about the money.
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If Jane's dead,
Adele gets $300 million.
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- And now?
- Her father's sister got it all.
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Adele's Aunt Tessa.
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Is Aunt Tessa capable of murder?
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I don't know.
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She did get Adele locked up
in the mental hospital
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right after the murder.
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I see you got the murder weapon
DNA kicked at trial.
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Yeah, cops botched that pretty good.
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The entire case came down
to eyewitnesses and motive.
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Also, the jury just loved
to hate Adele.
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Hmm.
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She was in shock.
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Well, she had just found
her dead mother.
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That seems relatively normal.
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- She was, for the most part.
- And the other parts?
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After a few days,
she became belligerent.
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Especially when she heard
she was missing
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her mother's funeral.
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We needed to use restraints.
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Well, if they had to use restraints,
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that would explain the bruising.
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Do you have pictures of Adele
when she was admitted?
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I'm not legally allowed to say.
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Well, we could get a court order.
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- I think you should.
- Are you saying that
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because you don't think Adele
killed her mother?
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To me, she was grieving.
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So, no, I don't believe
she killed her mother.
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We need to cast doubt
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on this bruising evidence.
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I'll subpoena the hospital records.
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They clearly have something
the doctor wants us to see.
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There's also eyewitness
testimony and some
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not-so-great character witnesses.
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Like this Aunt Tessa character.
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Who puts a kid in a mental hospital
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after their mother dies?
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A woman who inherited $300 million?
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Well, she's our number-one
suspect. Let's follow the money.
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Levi, what is it?
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Toby Kissell's dead.
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He hung himself.
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I can't believe it.
I mean, I just saw him.
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So did I.
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After you talked to him,
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he came here and threatened
to have you arrested.
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I threatened him back.
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Well, that's a relief.
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'Cause I thought I was the one
that drove him to suicide.
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It turns out you were.
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- Thanks, Brother.
- Ah, yeah.
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This has got to be
about Rosemary, though.
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I mean, think about it, you know?
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We see him, he kills himself.
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He's feeling guilty.
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I mean, th-there's a reason
why he lied on the stand.
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Or he was depressed
and he killed himself
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because he needed help.
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We got to go to the funeral.
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Are you serious? Why?
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To find out what happened to Rosemary.
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Best place to start
is Toby Kissell's funeral.
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Traeger threesome, hold up there.
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Lee single is gonna be joining you.
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Twosome, check in, please.
Bryer twosome, check in.
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Whew! That is quite the stroke
you got there.
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I bet you're even better with a knife.
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- I beg your pardon?
- A knife.
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You know, like, uh,
like you'd use to stab somebody.
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Maybe 37 times or something.
257
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You're peculiar.
258
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- I don't like peculiar.
- Hmm.
259
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And you're Tessa Meyerson.
260
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I work for your adopted niece, Adele.
261
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You remember her, right?
You put her in an asylum
262
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right before you helped convict her?
263
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And then you inherited your late
brother's $300 million estate.
264
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Yeah, you had motive,
265
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you certainly have the strength.
266
00:10:02,538 --> 00:10:04,997
So you think that I killed Jane
and framed Adele?
267
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The thought crossed my mind.
268
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I loved Adele.
269
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She was the cutest little girl,
270
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but then she turned into
a horrible brat.
271
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Drove my brother Taylor into
an early grave with worry.
272
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Jane never liked her.
273
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So after Taylor died, she cut her off.
274
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That is why Adele murdered her.
275
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Believe me, I don't need money
as a motive.
276
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- Why is that?
- Sweetie,
277
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I was already rich.
278
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Oh, hey.
279
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I think Aunt Tessa might
just be the murderer.
280
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I confronted her, I went at her hard,
281
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and she responded with
ice-cold gin in her veins.
282
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Did she say anything incriminating?
283
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Yes, she said that she did it
for the money,
284
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that she was guilty,
that I should take her in.
285
00:10:54,381 --> 00:10:56,085
Violet, what have you got?
286
00:10:56,122 --> 00:10:59,023
Jane Meyerson was having
an affair with her lawyer.
287
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Rumor has it she called it off
just before she was murdered.
288
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Oh, man, that is good.
Where'd you get that from?
289
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A magical land called the Internet.
290
00:11:05,599 --> 00:11:07,582
But I confirmed it
with a reporter friend.
291
00:11:07,755 --> 00:11:10,506
Did the cops interview either of
these people for Jane's murder?
292
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Nope. They focused on Adele.
293
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Two suspects with perfect motives.
294
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Police don't even interview them.
295
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Maybe CinderHella is innocent.
296
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All this is good,
297
00:11:19,339 --> 00:11:21,437
but it's not gonna
get her conviction overturned.
298
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We need something definitive
299
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besides rumors and Bodie's bullying.
300
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The subpoena came in today
for Adele's hospital records.
301
00:11:27,057 --> 00:11:28,391
Might be something there.
302
00:11:28,428 --> 00:11:29,903
Madeline.
303
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Mind if we talk?
304
00:11:35,914 --> 00:11:37,210
Sure, Evan.
305
00:11:37,441 --> 00:11:38,781
Yeah.
306
00:11:43,463 --> 00:11:45,104
You sold me out.
307
00:11:45,562 --> 00:11:47,257
And to Bellows, of all people...
308
00:11:47,294 --> 00:11:50,875
And you suborned perjury
defending a corrupt cop.
309
00:11:51,094 --> 00:11:53,710
Exposing it got my
innocent client out of prison.
310
00:11:53,747 --> 00:11:55,801
And you teed up Bellows to win.
311
00:11:55,928 --> 00:11:58,093
I thought we were on the same team.
312
00:11:58,584 --> 00:12:01,718
What if I gave you the perfect
way to sink Rosemary's Law?
313
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Depends on how perfect it is.
314
00:12:05,976 --> 00:12:08,251
Rosemary's father hates Rosemary's Law.
315
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He thinks it's politically motivated.
316
00:12:10,296 --> 00:12:11,703
I bet he'd come out against it
317
00:12:11,740 --> 00:12:13,848
and then Bellows
can't use it against you.
318
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I'd be happy to broker an introduction.
319
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You'd be thrilled.
320
00:12:19,368 --> 00:12:22,531
You want to see Rosemary's Law
defeated just as much as I do.
321
00:12:22,613 --> 00:12:24,955
Politics is horrible, isn't it?
322
00:12:27,204 --> 00:12:29,015
Right this way. Yes.
323
00:12:30,023 --> 00:12:31,704
I think you gentlemen know one another.
324
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We've never officially met.
325
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- Gore Bellows.
- Rick Zahn.
326
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It's a pleasure.
327
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I'll leave you to it, then.
328
00:12:38,537 --> 00:12:40,295
- Thank you.
- Thank you.
329
00:12:40,616 --> 00:12:41,866
What can I do for you?
330
00:12:41,903 --> 00:12:43,328
Just about to ask you the same thing.
331
00:12:44,773 --> 00:12:48,717
Ah... Word is that
your campaign is, uh...
332
00:12:48,799 --> 00:12:49,956
fraught.
333
00:12:49,993 --> 00:12:51,777
Madeline Scott's nipping at your heels.
334
00:12:51,838 --> 00:12:53,429
I read recently that she's taking on
335
00:12:53,466 --> 00:12:56,259
yet another one of
your wrongful convictions.
336
00:12:56,296 --> 00:12:57,812
And through her work, she's writing
337
00:12:57,849 --> 00:13:00,458
a pretty persuasive narrative
of your incompetence.
338
00:13:00,495 --> 00:13:02,245
We are all over the Scott issue.
339
00:13:02,406 --> 00:13:04,961
Rosemary's Law has been
pretty effective
340
00:13:04,998 --> 00:13:06,414
in blunting her attacks on me.
341
00:13:06,451 --> 00:13:08,171
Your campaign staff
reached out to my people,
342
00:13:08,208 --> 00:13:10,555
so I was assuming that you
needed some financial help,
343
00:13:10,592 --> 00:13:11,871
but if that's not the case...
344
00:13:11,908 --> 00:13:13,482
No! No, no, I, uh...
345
00:13:13,519 --> 00:13:15,185
I need your support.
346
00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:16,718
And I understand
347
00:13:16,755 --> 00:13:19,617
that you need a friend in
the attorney general's office.
348
00:13:21,084 --> 00:13:22,882
And I'd like to be that friend.
349
00:13:24,569 --> 00:13:25,892
I appreciate the candor.
350
00:13:25,929 --> 00:13:27,835
I like someone
that just lays it out there.
351
00:13:27,977 --> 00:13:30,269
Then, by all means, tell me
what it is you're looking for
352
00:13:30,373 --> 00:13:31,497
in a candidate.
353
00:13:31,569 --> 00:13:32,844
I'm looking for help.
354
00:13:34,247 --> 00:13:35,858
Dorisole.
355
00:13:35,895 --> 00:13:38,265
It's a life-changing
appetite suppressant,
356
00:13:38,302 --> 00:13:40,019
and it's one of my most
successful products.
357
00:13:40,183 --> 00:13:41,945
It's so successful, I got four
358
00:13:41,982 --> 00:13:43,905
big pharma firms
trying to take it down.
359
00:13:44,023 --> 00:13:45,273
The FDA's investigating.
360
00:13:45,310 --> 00:13:47,046
At the behest of those same firms.
361
00:13:47,083 --> 00:13:48,476
I think you're probably aware there's a
362
00:13:48,513 --> 00:13:50,477
criminal investigation
being brought against me
363
00:13:50,514 --> 00:13:53,822
by some young, ill-advised
prosecutor downstate,
364
00:13:53,859 --> 00:13:56,914
so if I were to, uh,
back you and you won,
365
00:13:56,951 --> 00:14:00,003
I would just love it
if all that went away.
366
00:14:00,710 --> 00:14:02,901
It's a tremendous opportunity, Gore.
367
00:14:03,107 --> 00:14:05,617
You can ensure that
a life-saving product
368
00:14:05,654 --> 00:14:07,773
remains available
and, at the same time,
369
00:14:07,822 --> 00:14:09,588
earn the thanks of a constituency
370
00:14:09,625 --> 00:14:11,921
that has the means to bankroll you
371
00:14:12,010 --> 00:14:14,140
all the way to Springfield...
372
00:14:15,234 --> 00:14:16,562
Governor.
373
00:14:18,466 --> 00:14:20,132
You know...
374
00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,554
my granddad worked
the train yards for 40 years.
375
00:14:23,591 --> 00:14:25,361
Mm-hmm. And your father was a...
376
00:14:25,398 --> 00:14:27,976
a city alderman
of grand and noble purpose
377
00:14:28,013 --> 00:14:30,109
that never got above ward politics.
378
00:14:30,187 --> 00:14:32,671
Then you know the reason I want
to be the next attorney general.
379
00:14:32,855 --> 00:14:34,429
System's failing.
380
00:14:34,498 --> 00:14:36,056
Corruption is rampant.
381
00:14:36,298 --> 00:14:37,899
Honest and hard-working people
are missing out
382
00:14:37,935 --> 00:14:39,893
on what makes this country great.
383
00:14:40,255 --> 00:14:41,879
And I want to fix that.
384
00:14:44,826 --> 00:14:46,734
There's a lot I can do for you, Rick.
385
00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,265
But if Dorisole turns out
to be dangerous...
386
00:14:52,617 --> 00:14:54,439
...I can't help.
387
00:14:55,773 --> 00:14:57,378
Totally understand.
388
00:14:57,736 --> 00:14:59,345
And I'm sure none of this
will come to pass.
389
00:14:59,382 --> 00:15:01,875
Then, one day, we'll all
look back on this and laugh.
390
00:15:02,118 --> 00:15:04,460
- Hey, best of luck with the campaign.
- Thank you.
391
00:15:20,958 --> 00:15:23,792
CinderHella's story is no fairy tale.
392
00:15:23,950 --> 00:15:27,359
Wrongful conviction lawyers pull
double duty as storytellers.
393
00:15:27,468 --> 00:15:29,901
We have to destroy
the prosecution's story
394
00:15:29,989 --> 00:15:32,748
and then tell a different,
more believable one.
395
00:15:33,116 --> 00:15:35,749
Adele wanted to attend
her mother's funeral,
396
00:15:35,844 --> 00:15:38,186
and when I told her
she couldn't, she got angry.
397
00:15:38,232 --> 00:15:41,334
Attending orderlies
had to restrain her.
398
00:15:41,641 --> 00:15:44,569
Were you present when
these police photos were taken?
399
00:15:44,608 --> 00:15:47,064
- Yes.
- And was that before or after
400
00:15:47,101 --> 00:15:48,702
Adele's altercation with your staff?
401
00:15:48,739 --> 00:15:49,930
It was after.
402
00:15:49,967 --> 00:15:52,391
I believe she sustained
those bruises at the hospital.
403
00:15:52,447 --> 00:15:54,438
But the prosecution's entire case
404
00:15:54,475 --> 00:15:56,751
was based on the fact
that Adele got those bruises
405
00:15:56,788 --> 00:15:57,999
when she struggled with her mother.
406
00:15:58,036 --> 00:16:00,319
In my opinion, they were incorrect.
407
00:16:00,382 --> 00:16:01,671
Why didn't you tell investigators?
408
00:16:01,708 --> 00:16:03,124
I did. I gave them my report
409
00:16:03,161 --> 00:16:06,007
and advised that
their time line was wrong.
410
00:16:07,016 --> 00:16:08,788
It's an obvious Brady violation,
Your Honor.
411
00:16:08,825 --> 00:16:10,967
Defense counsel was never given
this report.
412
00:16:11,030 --> 00:16:13,827
Mr. Duncan, was the prosecution
aware of this report?
413
00:16:13,864 --> 00:16:15,467
This wasn't my case, Your Honor.
414
00:16:15,504 --> 00:16:17,202
That doesn't answer my question.
415
00:16:18,142 --> 00:16:19,808
I'm sorry, it's the best I can do.
416
00:16:19,845 --> 00:16:21,350
Petitioner moves for a new trial,
417
00:16:21,387 --> 00:16:23,874
on the grounds of
prosecutorial misconduct.
418
00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:25,569
Motion granted.
419
00:16:25,613 --> 00:16:27,569
Defendant is remanded to the custody
420
00:16:27,606 --> 00:16:29,436
of the Cook County Correctional Center,
421
00:16:29,484 --> 00:16:31,382
but we'll calendar immediately.
422
00:16:34,027 --> 00:16:35,735
New trial, new chance at freedom.
423
00:16:35,772 --> 00:16:36,972
- Ready?
- All right.
424
00:16:37,008 --> 00:16:38,740
- Let's go.
- It's okay.
425
00:16:39,483 --> 00:16:41,223
Now we just have to win.
426
00:16:41,405 --> 00:16:43,141
Yeah, we got a problem.
427
00:16:43,203 --> 00:16:44,319
What's up?
428
00:16:44,378 --> 00:16:45,686
Aunt Tessa and Loverboy Lawyer
429
00:16:45,744 --> 00:16:47,744
both have airtight alibis
for the night of the murder.
430
00:16:48,444 --> 00:16:49,874
Neither of them did it.
431
00:16:50,034 --> 00:16:51,827
We have to find a new suspect.
432
00:16:57,522 --> 00:16:58,977
The judge granted you a new trial,
433
00:16:59,014 --> 00:17:00,702
but you're still charged with murder.
434
00:17:00,803 --> 00:17:01,952
We've been able to knock down
435
00:17:01,989 --> 00:17:03,223
one of the prosecution's theories,
436
00:17:03,260 --> 00:17:05,127
but we still need to find
a solid suspect.
437
00:17:05,202 --> 00:17:06,976
Tell us again about
the night of the murder.
438
00:17:07,013 --> 00:17:08,100
You were at a party.
439
00:17:08,137 --> 00:17:09,769
Yes, at my friend Sydney's house.
440
00:17:09,844 --> 00:17:11,504
And she testified for you at trial,
441
00:17:11,541 --> 00:17:13,053
said you were there all night.
442
00:17:13,090 --> 00:17:15,007
Uh, Grant Thargard,
a prosecution witness,
443
00:17:15,044 --> 00:17:16,195
said you left early.
444
00:17:16,232 --> 00:17:17,975
Grant lied, he's a liar.
445
00:17:18,012 --> 00:17:19,194
He's a liar.
446
00:17:19,231 --> 00:17:20,948
Toby Kissell, for the prosecution.
447
00:17:21,052 --> 00:17:23,318
Levi told me he was going
to kill Rosemary
448
00:17:23,515 --> 00:17:25,749
and that his sister was gonna help him.
449
00:17:25,990 --> 00:17:27,519
I can't believe this.
450
00:17:27,705 --> 00:17:29,241
Why would he perjure himself?
451
00:17:29,288 --> 00:17:30,452
I don't know.
452
00:17:30,489 --> 00:17:31,939
He tried to have sex
with me that night,
453
00:17:32,007 --> 00:17:33,207
and I wouldn't let him.
454
00:17:33,244 --> 00:17:34,467
But I don't think
455
00:17:34,504 --> 00:17:36,452
that's a reason
why he would ruin my life.
456
00:17:36,489 --> 00:17:38,389
Any reason to think he could
have killed your mother?
457
00:17:38,503 --> 00:17:39,913
He knew her.
458
00:17:40,288 --> 00:17:42,568
I guess it's possible.
I-I don't know. Why?
459
00:17:42,655 --> 00:17:45,225
All right, first, let's focus on
a motive for why he would lie.
460
00:17:45,279 --> 00:17:47,522
Is there anyone who would know?
Anyone we can talk to?
461
00:17:47,608 --> 00:17:49,892
Sydney Ball. It was her party.
462
00:17:50,749 --> 00:17:52,850
Me and Adele were best friends.
463
00:17:52,887 --> 00:17:55,913
I feel terrible I've never
visited her in prison.
464
00:17:56,183 --> 00:17:57,400
I miss her.
465
00:17:57,476 --> 00:17:59,397
It's hard to see
the people we love locked up,
466
00:17:59,434 --> 00:18:01,021
but you should visit her.
467
00:18:01,058 --> 00:18:02,274
It would totally make her day.
468
00:18:02,311 --> 00:18:04,960
I'll go see her. I feel bad.
469
00:18:05,162 --> 00:18:07,070
She's not a killer.
470
00:18:07,553 --> 00:18:10,428
But... I wouldn't blame her
if she did it.
471
00:18:10,524 --> 00:18:13,124
Her mom was such a bitch.
472
00:18:13,259 --> 00:18:15,522
She would always say Adele
was her adopted daughter.
473
00:18:15,596 --> 00:18:17,721
You know, stressing "adopted."
474
00:18:17,791 --> 00:18:20,041
Like we couldn't figure it out anyway.
475
00:18:20,082 --> 00:18:21,428
So what happened that night?
476
00:18:21,514 --> 00:18:23,889
My parents were out of town, so...
477
00:18:23,999 --> 00:18:25,377
I threw a party.
478
00:18:25,414 --> 00:18:27,327
Me and Adele were having fun, so we
479
00:18:27,364 --> 00:18:28,610
took some Molly.
480
00:18:28,647 --> 00:18:30,708
- How much?
- Too much.
481
00:18:31,086 --> 00:18:32,803
After a couple hours,
482
00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:34,903
she said she was feeling dizzy,
483
00:18:34,940 --> 00:18:36,423
so she went upstairs to sleep it off.
484
00:18:36,706 --> 00:18:38,113
Do you remember what time that was?
485
00:18:38,315 --> 00:18:39,672
I wish I did.
486
00:18:40,186 --> 00:18:41,499
I was so messed up.
487
00:18:41,643 --> 00:18:42,858
Grant Thargard testified
488
00:18:42,895 --> 00:18:44,803
that Adele left your house at midnight.
489
00:18:45,450 --> 00:18:47,397
You know any reason why
he would have lied about that?
490
00:18:47,434 --> 00:18:48,521
No.
491
00:18:48,558 --> 00:18:50,449
I mean, he's a total douchebag.
492
00:18:50,531 --> 00:18:52,005
That could be why.
493
00:18:52,257 --> 00:18:54,171
I assume you had a cell phone
back then, right?
494
00:18:54,208 --> 00:18:55,541
Did you take any pictures?
495
00:18:55,578 --> 00:18:57,514
I gave them all to Adele's lawyer,
496
00:18:57,551 --> 00:18:59,602
but she's not in any of the photos.
497
00:19:00,444 --> 00:19:02,233
Do you mind if we take a look at them?
498
00:19:02,297 --> 00:19:04,239
I just... I don't know,
499
00:19:04,276 --> 00:19:06,167
I feel like we might find
something they missed.
500
00:19:06,779 --> 00:19:08,091
So, like I said on the phone,
501
00:19:08,128 --> 00:19:11,822
Until Proven Innocent is like
a... a true crime podcast.
502
00:19:11,909 --> 00:19:14,452
So this is like... Serial?
503
00:19:14,489 --> 00:19:15,641
Yeah, sort of.
504
00:19:15,678 --> 00:19:17,085
But not as good.
505
00:19:17,256 --> 00:19:19,147
This week's episode
is about the Meyerson murder,
506
00:19:19,184 --> 00:19:21,538
and we wanted to get your take on it.
507
00:19:21,645 --> 00:19:22,695
Are you ready?
508
00:19:22,731 --> 00:19:24,569
Cool. Let's do it.
509
00:19:24,606 --> 00:19:27,018
So, Grant, what can you tell us
about the night
510
00:19:27,055 --> 00:19:28,717
that Jane Meyerson was murdered?
511
00:19:28,811 --> 00:19:30,238
Sydney had a big party.
512
00:19:30,275 --> 00:19:31,988
I was the... the D.D.
513
00:19:32,025 --> 00:19:34,191
Uh, designated driver.
514
00:19:34,323 --> 00:19:36,488
Adele was out of control.
515
00:19:36,602 --> 00:19:39,136
Her and Sydney took some Molly.
Adele came on to me.
516
00:19:39,173 --> 00:19:40,531
She came on to you?
517
00:19:40,802 --> 00:19:42,801
Big-time. I turned her down.
518
00:19:42,838 --> 00:19:44,905
I'm, uh, I'm not into lo mein.
519
00:19:49,580 --> 00:19:52,254
Uh, we actually heard that...
that you came on to Adele.
520
00:19:52,291 --> 00:19:54,224
You tried to, uh,
hook up with her that night.
521
00:19:54,413 --> 00:19:56,473
- Who the hell said that?
- Adele.
522
00:19:56,813 --> 00:19:58,965
You talked to her? In prison?
523
00:19:59,027 --> 00:20:00,198
How'd you manage that?
524
00:20:00,235 --> 00:20:02,090
Oh, we're on her defense team.
525
00:20:07,838 --> 00:20:09,394
I'm out of here.
526
00:20:10,866 --> 00:20:12,899
Oh, hey. One more thing.
Uh, we got you this.
527
00:20:12,936 --> 00:20:15,103
Until Proven Innocent T-shirt.
528
00:20:15,277 --> 00:20:16,941
It's also a subpoena.
529
00:20:17,418 --> 00:20:19,027
We'll see you in court.
530
00:20:24,113 --> 00:20:25,715
Half our high school's here.
531
00:20:25,879 --> 00:20:26,990
Yep.
532
00:20:27,027 --> 00:20:28,625
So this should be fun.
533
00:20:29,072 --> 00:20:30,473
Or not.
534
00:20:30,715 --> 00:20:32,421
Who invited you guys?
535
00:20:32,458 --> 00:20:34,500
The whole class got an e-mail about it.
536
00:20:34,582 --> 00:20:36,017
We're here to pay our respects.
537
00:20:36,054 --> 00:20:37,269
Fine.
538
00:20:37,341 --> 00:20:39,051
Just don't kill anybody.
539
00:20:39,113 --> 00:20:40,813
Well, we'll see how the day goes.
540
00:20:44,855 --> 00:20:46,141
Oh, my gosh.
541
00:20:46,178 --> 00:20:47,725
Maddie and Levi Scott.
542
00:20:47,762 --> 00:20:50,855
- Hi, Cassie.
- I haven't seen you two since...
543
00:20:50,918 --> 00:20:52,371
Our murder trial.
544
00:20:52,691 --> 00:20:54,715
Rosemary and Madeline
fought all the time.
545
00:20:54,790 --> 00:20:56,497
Madeline had a violent temper.
546
00:20:57,098 --> 00:20:58,395
I guess we got that one wrong,
547
00:20:58,432 --> 00:20:59,793
- huh?
- Yeah.
548
00:20:59,830 --> 00:21:01,075
So weird that we only see each other
549
00:21:01,112 --> 00:21:02,234
when someone dies.
550
00:21:02,340 --> 00:21:04,668
Levi Scott? Holy crap.
551
00:21:04,730 --> 00:21:07,496
You look good. Guess, uh,
prison agrees with you.
552
00:21:07,550 --> 00:21:08,924
Clint, right?
553
00:21:09,043 --> 00:21:11,191
Levi was always macking
on high school girls.
554
00:21:11,228 --> 00:21:12,527
He was a real perv.
555
00:21:12,564 --> 00:21:15,433
Wow. Yeah, you got bald.
556
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,425
I guess freedom really
took a crap on you, huh?
557
00:21:18,462 --> 00:21:21,032
Always a jackass, huh, Levi?
558
00:21:21,175 --> 00:21:23,092
Yeah.
559
00:21:26,145 --> 00:21:29,087
This was a great idea.
Everyone's so happy to see us.
560
00:21:32,545 --> 00:21:34,219
Yeah.
561
00:21:40,474 --> 00:21:42,407
Toby would feel so honored
562
00:21:42,444 --> 00:21:44,837
to see all of his
classmates here today.
563
00:21:44,995 --> 00:21:48,337
Hey, who's the
Girl with the Dragon Tattoo?
564
00:21:51,285 --> 00:21:53,180
I think that's Linda Barrett.
565
00:21:58,329 --> 00:22:02,311
Wow. She was one of Heather's
mean girl flunkies.
566
00:22:03,463 --> 00:22:04,884
We will now hear from one
567
00:22:04,921 --> 00:22:08,931
of Toby's closest classmates,
Heather Dupinski-Husband.
568
00:22:09,061 --> 00:22:11,261
- Ugh, Lord.
- You kidding me?
569
00:22:11,912 --> 00:22:13,495
Thank you.
570
00:22:18,154 --> 00:22:21,478
Toby Kissell was preternaturally kind,
571
00:22:21,707 --> 00:22:25,370
- generous and empathetic.
- "Preternaturally"?
572
00:22:25,407 --> 00:22:27,353
Even after all these years,
573
00:22:27,390 --> 00:22:30,366
he never fully recovered
from the brutal slaying
574
00:22:30,454 --> 00:22:32,024
of his teenage love,
575
00:22:32,321 --> 00:22:35,027
my best friend, Rosemary Lynch.
576
00:22:35,271 --> 00:22:36,915
Her mur...
577
00:22:41,079 --> 00:22:43,571
Her murder devastated this town,
578
00:22:43,655 --> 00:22:45,747
and I know it haunted Toby.
579
00:22:48,529 --> 00:22:52,017
I have no doubt that this nightmare,
580
00:22:52,659 --> 00:22:55,642
which eventually led him
to take his own life,
581
00:22:56,884 --> 00:23:00,578
began the night
that Rosemary Lynch died.
582
00:23:01,376 --> 00:23:02,915
Linda?
583
00:23:03,082 --> 00:23:05,110
Hey, Maddie.
584
00:23:05,745 --> 00:23:07,385
Ditched out on Heather's eulogy, huh?
585
00:23:07,421 --> 00:23:09,280
I thought you two were pals.
586
00:23:09,380 --> 00:23:12,142
No. We are definitely not pals anymore.
587
00:23:12,262 --> 00:23:13,904
What happened?
588
00:23:15,419 --> 00:23:17,385
I was almost the third.
589
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,817
The third what?
590
00:23:19,897 --> 00:23:22,501
Dead high school friend. Drugs.
591
00:23:23,235 --> 00:23:25,298
If the paramedics had been
a minute later,
592
00:23:25,344 --> 00:23:27,161
I wouldn't be standing here right now.
593
00:23:27,564 --> 00:23:30,282
Did you know about
this whole Adderall ring?
594
00:23:31,163 --> 00:23:32,626
Yeah.
595
00:23:33,462 --> 00:23:35,829
Heather would steal
her dad's prescription pad,
596
00:23:35,866 --> 00:23:39,235
and Toby sold it.
Some of us got it for free.
597
00:23:39,337 --> 00:23:41,393
Friends of Heather's?
598
00:23:41,556 --> 00:23:43,251
Something like that.
599
00:23:43,597 --> 00:23:44,747
What do you mean?
600
00:23:44,795 --> 00:23:46,931
La Grange wasn't what it seemed.
601
00:23:48,069 --> 00:23:50,313
A lot of bad stuff happened here.
602
00:23:51,956 --> 00:23:53,774
This is me. I got to go.
603
00:23:54,052 --> 00:23:55,587
Linda.
604
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,571
Do you know who killed Rosemary?
605
00:24:00,829 --> 00:24:03,401
- I have no idea.
- Wait.
606
00:24:06,462 --> 00:24:08,479
Look...
607
00:24:09,009 --> 00:24:10,571
Toby's gone now,
608
00:24:10,637 --> 00:24:12,579
and there could be more
if this keeps going.
609
00:24:12,660 --> 00:24:14,392
I don't understand what you mean.
610
00:24:14,677 --> 00:24:16,290
Just let it go.
611
00:24:19,005 --> 00:24:20,855
It's good to see you, Maddie.
612
00:24:38,827 --> 00:24:41,178
She said she nearly overdosed.
613
00:24:42,432 --> 00:24:44,826
Yeah. Well, maybe her life
just got complicated.
614
00:24:45,554 --> 00:24:47,712
No, I think it was about Rosemary.
615
00:24:48,304 --> 00:24:51,315
I never realized how much
her death affected everyone.
616
00:24:52,194 --> 00:24:54,266
A girl is murdered.
617
00:24:54,655 --> 00:24:56,460
The case became a national obsession.
618
00:24:56,546 --> 00:24:59,354
Of course it affected everyone.
619
00:25:00,007 --> 00:25:02,296
She said I should
stop asking questions.
620
00:25:02,421 --> 00:25:03,712
Maybe she's right, you know?
621
00:25:03,749 --> 00:25:06,150
Maybe Toby would still be alive
if I hadn't confronted him.
622
00:25:06,253 --> 00:25:08,012
Mm-mmm. No, that's not your fault.
623
00:25:08,968 --> 00:25:11,825
Listen, you deserve to find out
who killed Rosemary,
624
00:25:12,138 --> 00:25:14,072
because it wasn't you.
625
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,882
- I'm never getting married.
- Sure, you will.
626
00:25:20,093 --> 00:25:22,647
Someday, a handsome guy
is gonna kiss you
627
00:25:22,684 --> 00:25:26,477
in a perfect way,
and you're gonna melt.
628
00:25:27,661 --> 00:25:29,419
I'm not really the melting type.
629
00:25:31,911 --> 00:25:33,530
Do you think we'll always be friends?
630
00:25:33,567 --> 00:25:34,921
Even if we're old and...
631
00:25:34,958 --> 00:25:36,358
married with kids?
632
00:25:36,416 --> 00:25:39,196
You kidding? Of course.
I'm moving in next door
633
00:25:39,233 --> 00:25:40,845
so our kids can be best friends, too.
634
00:25:45,544 --> 00:25:47,507
What are you thinking about?
635
00:25:49,296 --> 00:25:50,914
You.
636
00:25:52,609 --> 00:25:54,514
I'm thinking you're pretty great.
637
00:25:56,863 --> 00:25:58,702
Well, I think you're pretty great, too.
638
00:26:26,233 --> 00:26:27,567
Hey, how is it?
639
00:26:27,686 --> 00:26:29,218
It's like Kubrick and Fellini...
640
00:26:29,288 --> 00:26:31,013
if they were both lobotomized.
641
00:26:31,624 --> 00:26:34,030
It's hours of drinking and dancing,
642
00:26:34,067 --> 00:26:36,350
and one kid threw up, which made
four other kids throw up,
643
00:26:36,387 --> 00:26:38,218
and it's all shot with flair.
644
00:26:38,382 --> 00:26:39,688
What about our girl?
645
00:26:39,715 --> 00:26:41,842
CinderHella is barely in it.
Couple of cameos early,
646
00:26:41,879 --> 00:26:43,600
but nothing that's gonna work
for an alibi.
647
00:26:43,689 --> 00:26:45,968
This reminds me of my college days.
648
00:26:46,305 --> 00:26:48,455
Oh, yeah? Violet was a party girl?
649
00:26:48,492 --> 00:26:50,977
- Come on, how hard-core were you?
- You have no idea.
650
00:26:51,014 --> 00:26:53,194
- Come on, inquiring minds want to know.
- No.
651
00:26:53,401 --> 00:26:55,168
Wait. Pause the video.
652
00:26:56,140 --> 00:26:59,889
In the background there...
isn't that Grant Thargard?
653
00:27:08,127 --> 00:27:10,915
- Hello, Madeline.
- Were you lying in wait?
654
00:27:10,952 --> 00:27:12,194
No, I knew you'd be coming this way.
655
00:27:12,231 --> 00:27:13,655
I just wanted to have a word with you.
656
00:27:13,692 --> 00:27:15,531
It'll just take a moment.
657
00:27:15,611 --> 00:27:16,672
I'll get right to the point.
658
00:27:16,709 --> 00:27:18,985
You have to stop representing
Adele Meyerson.
659
00:27:19,091 --> 00:27:21,147
- Funny.
- I'm serious.
660
00:27:21,258 --> 00:27:23,900
Look, she is not one of your noble,
661
00:27:23,955 --> 00:27:26,547
wrongfully accused clients.
662
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,866
I was part of the team
that worked the original trial,
663
00:27:28,938 --> 00:27:31,421
and DNA evidence
was tossed on a technicality,
664
00:27:31,460 --> 00:27:33,185
but it was a match.
665
00:27:33,222 --> 00:27:35,922
- She killed her mother.
- What are you doing here?
666
00:27:36,164 --> 00:27:37,804
Are your poll numbers sagging?
667
00:27:37,841 --> 00:27:39,249
Is this because I come
to your office once?
668
00:27:39,286 --> 00:27:40,734
Look, I'm here because I have
a fundamental
669
00:27:40,771 --> 00:27:42,974
obligation to protect the innocent
670
00:27:43,011 --> 00:27:45,709
and convict those who are not innocent.
671
00:27:46,144 --> 00:27:49,221
Our personal history aside,
I know when someone's guilty.
672
00:27:49,327 --> 00:27:51,360
Do you?
673
00:27:51,673 --> 00:27:54,060
Thank you, Gore. I'm good.
674
00:27:57,996 --> 00:27:59,604
Adele was belligerent.
675
00:27:59,710 --> 00:28:01,367
She was trying to order more booze,
676
00:28:01,404 --> 00:28:03,496
but her credit card was declined.
677
00:28:03,617 --> 00:28:07,360
She said, and I quote,
"My mom is such a bitch.
678
00:28:07,447 --> 00:28:08,896
I'm going to kill her."
679
00:28:09,608 --> 00:28:11,310
And then she left the party.
680
00:28:11,426 --> 00:28:13,076
Nothing further.
681
00:28:15,232 --> 00:28:18,140
That was a very lucid account
of what happened, Grant,
682
00:28:18,177 --> 00:28:19,591
very detailed.
683
00:28:19,779 --> 00:28:20,974
How do you remember so much
684
00:28:21,011 --> 00:28:23,345
when everyone was so wasted that night?
685
00:28:23,501 --> 00:28:26,951
- Not everyone. I was sober.
- Completely sober?
686
00:28:26,988 --> 00:28:29,873
Yup. I was the designated driver.
687
00:28:30,007 --> 00:28:32,365
Was driving my dad's Jag
that night, so...
688
00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:34,716
- didn't have a choice.
- Nice.
689
00:28:35,220 --> 00:28:38,588
I was just wondering
how you would explain this
690
00:28:38,625 --> 00:28:41,388
to your dad.
691
00:28:45,789 --> 00:28:48,189
That's you, right?
692
00:28:48,296 --> 00:28:50,740
Doing cocaine
all over the coffee table?
693
00:28:52,225 --> 00:28:53,657
Grant...
694
00:28:54,016 --> 00:28:56,801
why did you lie
at Adele's original trial?
695
00:29:00,449 --> 00:29:02,568
The cops found the drugs on me.
696
00:29:02,693 --> 00:29:04,021
They told me if I didn't cooperate
697
00:29:04,058 --> 00:29:05,498
they were gonna
charge me with possession.
698
00:29:05,542 --> 00:29:06,925
So, to save yourself,
699
00:29:06,962 --> 00:29:09,805
you sent an innocent woman
to prison for murder.
700
00:29:09,842 --> 00:29:12,248
- Objection.
- Withdrawn.
701
00:29:12,833 --> 00:29:14,607
Think I'm done with this witness.
702
00:29:18,410 --> 00:29:21,162
In the words of the great
Paris Hilton, "That was hot."
703
00:29:21,199 --> 00:29:23,154
There's something so satisfying
704
00:29:23,191 --> 00:29:25,253
about nailing liars on the stand.
705
00:29:25,290 --> 00:29:26,927
Only thing is he's got
a motive for lying,
706
00:29:26,964 --> 00:29:29,089
but not for killing Jane.
I don't think he did it.
707
00:29:29,565 --> 00:29:31,815
I know. We need a new suspect.
708
00:29:33,584 --> 00:29:35,158
Sorry, have we met?
709
00:29:35,378 --> 00:29:38,379
Not officially, but I've
been following your case.
710
00:29:39,084 --> 00:29:40,771
I'm Arthur Kauffman.
711
00:29:40,959 --> 00:29:43,466
I'm a criminal technology
professor at Northwestern.
712
00:29:43,538 --> 00:29:46,250
I've spent my career studying
the apex predator
713
00:29:46,287 --> 00:29:49,427
of the American urban ecosystem:
the serial killer.
714
00:29:49,473 --> 00:29:52,052
- Why are you following our case?
- I know Adele.
715
00:29:52,131 --> 00:29:53,232
I corresponded with her.
716
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:55,676
I even visited her
in prison a few times.
717
00:29:55,913 --> 00:29:58,443
- What for?
- Actually, it ties in with what
718
00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:59,935
you were just talking about.
719
00:29:59,993 --> 00:30:02,401
A suspect? You have one?
720
00:30:03,124 --> 00:30:04,443
Possibly.
721
00:30:04,693 --> 00:30:07,994
I think Jane Meyerson was
murdered by a serial killer.
722
00:30:13,396 --> 00:30:14,772
I remembered when Jane's case
723
00:30:14,809 --> 00:30:16,007
was all over the news.
724
00:30:16,044 --> 00:30:18,099
Honestly, I never
gave it much attention.
725
00:30:18,226 --> 00:30:21,927
My focus was always on...
Carter Leopold.
726
00:30:21,966 --> 00:30:23,051
The notorious blue blood
727
00:30:23,088 --> 00:30:25,068
accused of stalking
and killing five women.
728
00:30:25,118 --> 00:30:26,474
He was acquitted, found innocent.
729
00:30:26,511 --> 00:30:29,258
Because of sloppy police work
and sleazy defense counsel.
730
00:30:29,295 --> 00:30:31,029
- No offense.
- None taken.
731
00:30:31,131 --> 00:30:32,451
It wasn't until a few months ago
732
00:30:32,487 --> 00:30:33,802
when a student of mine wrote a paper
733
00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:35,514
on Jane Meyerson's murder that I
734
00:30:35,551 --> 00:30:37,865
began noticing several
striking similarities
735
00:30:37,902 --> 00:30:40,829
between Jane's case and
Leopold's known victims.
736
00:30:40,866 --> 00:30:42,021
They were all middle-aged women
737
00:30:42,058 --> 00:30:43,693
who had been stabbed multiple times.
738
00:30:43,763 --> 00:30:45,380
I contacted Adele right away.
739
00:30:45,417 --> 00:30:47,584
I started asking her
specific questions.
740
00:30:47,786 --> 00:30:49,721
I was then able to track Mr. Leopold
741
00:30:49,758 --> 00:30:51,685
using an algorithm I designed.
742
00:30:51,763 --> 00:30:54,855
An algorithm? You have a math
algorithm for solving murders?
743
00:30:54,922 --> 00:30:57,172
A mathematical model, more accurately.
744
00:30:57,209 --> 00:31:00,312
My students and I have been
amassing data on every murder
745
00:31:00,349 --> 00:31:03,045
occurring in the U.S.
over the last 40 years.
746
00:31:03,154 --> 00:31:05,435
Allow me to demonstrate.
747
00:31:08,898 --> 00:31:11,958
You enter the victim's age: 43.
Race: Caucasian.
748
00:31:11,995 --> 00:31:13,935
Sex: female. And so on.
749
00:31:14,006 --> 00:31:15,639
Next, we detail the crime scene:
750
00:31:15,676 --> 00:31:17,211
was the body found indoors?
751
00:31:17,248 --> 00:31:19,545
If so, was there signs of forced entry?
752
00:31:19,582 --> 00:31:20,672
Sexual assault?
753
00:31:20,709 --> 00:31:22,365
In Jane Meyerson's case,
the cause of death
754
00:31:22,402 --> 00:31:24,021
was multiple stab wounds.
755
00:31:24,147 --> 00:31:27,373
The program then assigns Jane's
case a seven-digit number,
756
00:31:27,473 --> 00:31:29,568
which then links to...
757
00:31:33,255 --> 00:31:36,099
Every related homicide
in the greater Chicago area.
758
00:31:36,136 --> 00:31:38,287
Yes. I'm almost convinced
759
00:31:38,324 --> 00:31:40,123
Jane was murdered by Carter Leopold.
760
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,896
- Almost?
- One key element is missing.
761
00:31:43,027 --> 00:31:44,474
Leopold had a fixation.
762
00:31:44,511 --> 00:31:47,576
He required his victims
to ask to be killed.
763
00:31:47,613 --> 00:31:50,188
So he contacted them
using an e-mail scam.
764
00:31:50,279 --> 00:31:51,840
He signs each of his phishing e-mails
765
00:31:51,877 --> 00:31:53,859
with the initials "H.T.S."
766
00:31:53,973 --> 00:31:56,654
I believe that stands for
"Hunt, Torture, Stab."
767
00:31:56,765 --> 00:31:59,351
- Catchy.
- If the recipient replies,
768
00:31:59,951 --> 00:32:02,191
he stalks and then kills her.
769
00:32:02,795 --> 00:32:04,482
There's no way we can know
if he killed Jane
770
00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:06,451
unless we access her e-mail account.
771
00:32:06,607 --> 00:32:08,834
Why didn't Adele mention
this theory to us?
772
00:32:08,871 --> 00:32:10,420
She doesn't believe it herself.
773
00:32:10,532 --> 00:32:12,451
She probably doesn't want you
to think she's crazy.
774
00:32:12,498 --> 00:32:14,740
But I really think
there could be something here.
775
00:32:14,854 --> 00:32:16,771
Bodie, you think you can hack
into Jane's e-mail?
776
00:32:16,849 --> 00:32:18,766
Yeah, I'm all over it.
777
00:32:20,834 --> 00:32:22,935
Something about this
case just never made sense.
778
00:32:22,972 --> 00:32:24,880
No plausible alternative suspect.
779
00:32:24,917 --> 00:32:26,771
So now we have one.
780
00:32:31,018 --> 00:32:32,865
You said you were making progress.
781
00:32:32,902 --> 00:32:35,154
There's nothing there.
She didn't kill Rosemary Lynch.
782
00:32:35,245 --> 00:32:36,545
I thought she suspected her brother.
783
00:32:36,582 --> 00:32:37,873
She doesn't. I grilled her about that.
784
00:32:37,910 --> 00:32:40,355
Look, she's trying to find
the real killer, all right?
785
00:32:40,392 --> 00:32:42,725
And if she finds him or her,
that's the story.
786
00:32:42,824 --> 00:32:45,091
So you're saying this could
take months or years or never?
787
00:32:45,128 --> 00:32:46,919
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
788
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,911
All right. Move on to something else.
789
00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:53,911
My name is Charles Lynch.
790
00:32:54,334 --> 00:32:57,505
My daughter Rosemary died
at the hands of a brutal killer.
791
00:32:57,716 --> 00:32:59,959
Her murder devastated her community,
792
00:33:00,037 --> 00:33:01,255
her friends,
793
00:33:01,292 --> 00:33:03,283
and it destroyed my life.
794
00:33:03,414 --> 00:33:05,598
Gore Bellows says he's creating
Rosemary's Law
795
00:33:05,635 --> 00:33:07,468
to help the victims of crime.
796
00:33:07,607 --> 00:33:09,924
You know what you can
do for me, Mr. Bellows?
797
00:33:10,170 --> 00:33:12,712
You can find the person
who killed my daughter
798
00:33:12,864 --> 00:33:15,549
and stop using her name
for political gain.
799
00:33:15,652 --> 00:33:18,670
Evan Esteban-Miller
has dedicated his life
800
00:33:18,707 --> 00:33:19,980
to this community.
801
00:33:20,123 --> 00:33:21,414
I stand with him.
802
00:33:21,570 --> 00:33:23,194
Because he stands for us.
803
00:33:23,339 --> 00:33:25,185
I am Evan Esteban-Miller,
804
00:33:25,222 --> 00:33:26,834
and I approve...
805
00:33:27,965 --> 00:33:30,799
I think that puts the stake
in Rosemary's Law.
806
00:33:31,042 --> 00:33:32,926
Then let's blanket the state with ads
807
00:33:32,963 --> 00:33:35,982
tying Esteban-Miller to
Detective Falcone's corruption.
808
00:33:36,019 --> 00:33:37,490
With what money?
809
00:33:37,527 --> 00:33:40,646
Call Zahn. apologize, beg.
810
00:33:40,683 --> 00:33:42,451
Or promise him everything he wants.
811
00:33:42,488 --> 00:33:44,811
Then stiff him once you're in office.
812
00:33:46,180 --> 00:33:47,724
Now, that I can live with.
813
00:33:48,453 --> 00:33:49,951
I'm in.
814
00:33:53,326 --> 00:33:54,946
Enter password.
815
00:33:57,346 --> 00:33:59,685
"H.T.S." Let's search for that,
see if anything pops up here.
816
00:34:02,033 --> 00:34:03,265
Oh, wow.
817
00:34:03,545 --> 00:34:05,279
That looks like he
contacted her for months.
818
00:34:05,316 --> 00:34:06,434
Mm-hmm.
819
00:34:06,553 --> 00:34:07,959
And she responded.
820
00:34:07,996 --> 00:34:09,271
That fits the profile.
821
00:34:09,308 --> 00:34:11,745
- I'll work on Leopold's subpoena.
- Okay.
822
00:34:12,521 --> 00:34:13,980
Really nice work.
823
00:34:18,019 --> 00:34:19,724
Oh, no. This isn't good.
824
00:34:19,804 --> 00:34:20,966
What?
825
00:34:21,024 --> 00:34:22,943
It's a news story about you.
826
00:34:23,115 --> 00:34:26,248
"Did Madeline Scott
drive friend to suicide?"
827
00:34:26,332 --> 00:34:28,795
- Great.
- "Sources close to Scott
828
00:34:28,832 --> 00:34:30,713
"reveal she remains
obsessed with solving
829
00:34:30,750 --> 00:34:32,224
"Rosemary Lynch's murder.
830
00:34:32,261 --> 00:34:34,804
Scott's prime suspects
include her brother."
831
00:34:35,927 --> 00:34:37,405
How would they know that?
832
00:34:37,523 --> 00:34:39,646
Well, it's the Daily Post.
833
00:34:42,475 --> 00:34:44,154
That's Dylan's paper.
834
00:34:46,282 --> 00:34:47,935
His name is in the byline.
835
00:34:48,371 --> 00:34:51,091
"Additional reporting by Dylan Pierce."
836
00:34:52,493 --> 00:34:53,841
He was using me.
837
00:34:53,927 --> 00:34:55,638
I am so sorry, Maddie.
838
00:35:00,071 --> 00:35:02,240
It's the company's hard drive.
839
00:35:02,357 --> 00:35:03,678
I gave the research to Amanda
840
00:35:03,715 --> 00:35:05,436
and she behaved like a
professional and wrote it up.
841
00:35:05,472 --> 00:35:06,513
You son of a bitch, I told you
842
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:08,857
- I didn't want to do this.
- You slept with her, didn't you?
843
00:35:09,420 --> 00:35:11,591
Rule number one
in shtupping your sources:
844
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:14,525
use the sex to get the story,
not to lose it.
845
00:35:17,287 --> 00:35:18,615
Go to hell.
846
00:35:18,791 --> 00:35:20,740
I quit.
847
00:35:30,122 --> 00:35:32,227
Hey. How you holding up?
848
00:35:32,810 --> 00:35:34,966
Totally fine. Busy.
849
00:35:35,146 --> 00:35:38,105
I know it sucks.
I thought Dylan was a keeper.
850
00:35:38,442 --> 00:35:39,779
No, I...
851
00:35:39,888 --> 00:35:41,427
Honestly, it was nothing.
852
00:35:41,916 --> 00:35:44,123
Seriously. I'm good.
853
00:35:44,779 --> 00:35:46,740
But you know I'm here
if you want to talk.
854
00:35:46,791 --> 00:35:49,234
I have a lot of experience
with men who disappoint,
855
00:35:49,271 --> 00:35:51,322
and you do not want
to bottle up that anger.
856
00:35:56,888 --> 00:35:59,009
- You ready to go?
- Yeah.
857
00:36:05,507 --> 00:36:07,357
Mr. Leopold, you were charged
with the murder
858
00:36:07,394 --> 00:36:09,594
of five women you met online,
is that correct?
859
00:36:09,631 --> 00:36:11,271
Objection. Relevance.
860
00:36:11,367 --> 00:36:14,359
Sustained. Mr. Leopold,
you don't have to answer that.
861
00:36:14,396 --> 00:36:15,701
You're not on trial here.
862
00:36:15,738 --> 00:36:17,037
I have nothing to hide.
863
00:36:17,074 --> 00:36:18,700
I was fully acquitted of all charges.
864
00:36:18,737 --> 00:36:20,970
The accusations against me
were unfounded.
865
00:36:21,341 --> 00:36:23,436
Well, you have plenty
of personal experience
866
00:36:23,473 --> 00:36:25,420
with false accusations,
don't you, Miss Scott?
867
00:36:25,472 --> 00:36:27,396
Absolutely. I'm representing
868
00:36:27,433 --> 00:36:29,677
a falsely accused client right now.
869
00:36:29,901 --> 00:36:31,170
Mr. Leopold, when did you
870
00:36:31,207 --> 00:36:33,388
first meet the victim, Jane Meyerson?
871
00:36:33,425 --> 00:36:34,641
Oh, I never met her.
872
00:36:34,759 --> 00:36:36,607
You mean you've
never met her in person.
873
00:36:36,644 --> 00:36:37,990
As opposed to on the Internet?
874
00:36:38,027 --> 00:36:39,573
I never met her
on the Internet, either.
875
00:36:39,610 --> 00:36:40,826
Is that right?
876
00:36:40,865 --> 00:36:43,740
I'd like to introduce you
to Defense Exhibit F.
877
00:36:44,083 --> 00:36:45,474
It's an e-mail
878
00:36:45,572 --> 00:36:47,724
sent from you to Jane Meyerson,
879
00:36:47,761 --> 00:36:49,857
dated February 17.
880
00:36:50,859 --> 00:36:53,610
It's the same day
Jane Meyerson was murdered.
881
00:36:54,085 --> 00:36:55,709
I did not write this e-mail.
882
00:36:55,834 --> 00:36:57,974
Well, the IP address
attached to the e-mail
883
00:36:58,011 --> 00:37:02,099
is registered to
1932 South Avalon Drive.
884
00:37:02,136 --> 00:37:04,373
- Isn't that where you live?
- Yes.
885
00:37:05,209 --> 00:37:06,576
But this is not me.
886
00:37:06,623 --> 00:37:07,959
I didn't send this woman an e-mail,
887
00:37:07,996 --> 00:37:09,436
and I certainly didn't kill her.
888
00:37:09,473 --> 00:37:11,029
Well, I'd be happy to
let the jury decide
889
00:37:11,066 --> 00:37:12,193
who killed Mrs. Meyerson.
890
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:14,981
I'm just trying to establish
who sent her dozens
891
00:37:15,018 --> 00:37:16,629
of catfishing e-mails.
892
00:37:16,666 --> 00:37:20,279
Didn't you send the exact H.T.S....
893
00:37:20,316 --> 00:37:22,909
Hunt, Torture, Stab... e-mail
894
00:37:22,984 --> 00:37:25,539
to five other women
who were brutally stabbed
895
00:37:25,576 --> 00:37:28,232
the same way that Jane Meyerson
was brutally stabbed?
896
00:37:28,269 --> 00:37:31,435
Objection. I thought Mr. Leopold
wasn't on trial here.
897
00:37:31,472 --> 00:37:34,665
Overruled. I'd like to hear
his answer on this.
898
00:37:35,915 --> 00:37:37,357
I...
899
00:37:38,538 --> 00:37:40,762
- I plead the Fifth.
- Excuse me?
900
00:37:42,912 --> 00:37:44,701
Mr. Leopold, do you have
reason to believe
901
00:37:44,738 --> 00:37:46,571
that if you answer
my questions truthfully
902
00:37:46,608 --> 00:37:49,682
that you will be subject
to criminal prosecution?
903
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,404
I don't know. I just know
I didn't write this e-mail.
904
00:37:52,441 --> 00:37:54,084
- And I don't understand...
- Because you stabbed
905
00:37:54,121 --> 00:37:55,905
Jane Meyerson the same way
that you stabbed
906
00:37:55,942 --> 00:37:57,366
those other five women.
907
00:37:57,403 --> 00:38:00,559
- I didn't do this. I swear.
- Objection. The witness is...
908
00:38:00,596 --> 00:38:03,591
Did you also mean to frame
the defendant, Adele Meyerson,
909
00:38:03,628 --> 00:38:05,490
for the murder of her own mother?
910
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:07,435
Or was the sloppy police investigation
911
00:38:07,472 --> 00:38:10,045
- just a happy accident for you?
- Objection.
912
00:38:10,244 --> 00:38:11,827
Withdrawn.
913
00:38:13,626 --> 00:38:15,177
I think we're done here.
914
00:38:19,971 --> 00:38:21,529
What just happened?
915
00:38:21,661 --> 00:38:24,052
I think we just found
your mother's killer.
916
00:38:40,013 --> 00:38:41,140
Miss Meyerson.
917
00:38:41,177 --> 00:38:42,536
Please stand.
918
00:38:44,186 --> 00:38:46,685
Madam Foreperson, what say you?
919
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:47,874
We, the jury,
920
00:38:47,911 --> 00:38:50,794
find the defendant, Adele Meyerson,
921
00:38:51,138 --> 00:38:53,560
not guilty of murder
in the first degree.
922
00:38:53,681 --> 00:38:55,464
Congratulations, Miss Meyerson.
923
00:38:55,501 --> 00:38:57,087
You are free to go.
924
00:39:00,217 --> 00:39:01,419
Couldn't have done it without you.
925
00:39:01,456 --> 00:39:03,083
- Thanks.
- This is your victory, too.
926
00:39:03,149 --> 00:39:04,924
Thank you. Thank you.
927
00:39:10,242 --> 00:39:13,013
And now for our fairy-tale ending.
928
00:39:13,293 --> 00:39:17,732
Our guests are Adele Meyerson
and Professor Arthur Kauffman.
929
00:39:17,843 --> 00:39:19,802
Adele, I will be honest,
930
00:39:20,333 --> 00:39:22,997
I could not have survived
the horror you endured.
931
00:39:23,124 --> 00:39:26,416
I really need to thank you guys
at the Injustice Defense Group
932
00:39:26,453 --> 00:39:28,529
for taking my case.
933
00:39:28,567 --> 00:39:30,150
For telling my story.
934
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:33,607
And for talking to my hero,
Professor Kauffman.
935
00:39:34,153 --> 00:39:36,208
You people saved my life.
936
00:39:42,796 --> 00:39:44,896
That's great. Let's, um...
937
00:39:45,554 --> 00:39:46,696
Let's take five.
938
00:39:46,716 --> 00:39:48,234
I just have to use the bathroom.
939
00:39:48,281 --> 00:39:49,800
No problem.
940
00:39:54,219 --> 00:39:56,695
I was, uh, surprised
to hear from you again. I...
941
00:39:57,012 --> 00:39:58,817
Thank you. You had, uh,
942
00:39:58,854 --> 00:40:00,738
made your position pretty clear
last time.
943
00:40:00,934 --> 00:40:02,526
Positions change.
944
00:40:02,612 --> 00:40:04,093
And I realized that I wouldn't have
945
00:40:04,130 --> 00:40:06,889
any positions at all
if I didn't win this thing.
946
00:40:08,210 --> 00:40:10,210
And I'm gonna need a lot of money.
947
00:40:11,731 --> 00:40:14,645
Well, we live in a post
Citizens United world my friend.
948
00:40:14,682 --> 00:40:16,332
I can give you all the money I want.
949
00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:20,007
And, uh, you know,
I'd be happy to, if...
950
00:40:20,505 --> 00:40:21,617
Well...
951
00:40:21,654 --> 00:40:23,704
after a standard review of all...
952
00:40:23,757 --> 00:40:25,289
relevant investigations,
953
00:40:25,326 --> 00:40:27,015
I suspect my staff will recommend
954
00:40:27,052 --> 00:40:28,635
that we discontinue any legal actions
955
00:40:28,672 --> 00:40:30,312
against your interests.
956
00:40:31,334 --> 00:40:34,476
Then let me respond by saying
I will do everything I can
957
00:40:34,513 --> 00:40:36,580
to get you seated in the AG's office.
958
00:40:36,778 --> 00:40:38,394
Thank you.
959
00:40:39,031 --> 00:40:41,617
I look forward to our time
together on the campaign trail.
960
00:40:42,388 --> 00:40:43,726
You're gonna campaign with me?
961
00:40:43,763 --> 00:40:45,004
Absolutely.
962
00:40:45,123 --> 00:40:46,414
I like you, Gore.
963
00:40:46,451 --> 00:40:48,001
And I adore Greta.
964
00:40:48,327 --> 00:40:50,273
So, I think we could have
a blast on the trail.
965
00:40:50,328 --> 00:40:53,070
- Oh. Welcome aboard.
- Yeah.
966
00:40:54,594 --> 00:40:58,132
I do have a, um... it's a bit
of an awkward question.
967
00:40:58,865 --> 00:41:00,390
Isabel Sanchez.
968
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:01,995
She single?
969
00:41:03,451 --> 00:41:05,835
So that's why you want
to campaign with me.
970
00:41:05,872 --> 00:41:07,804
Guilty as charged, counselor.
971
00:41:08,026 --> 00:41:09,609
She's a real spitfire.
972
00:41:10,048 --> 00:41:11,992
Don't be offended
if she's not interested.
973
00:41:12,077 --> 00:41:14,796
No offense taken.
974
00:41:16,383 --> 00:41:17,915
Okay, so...
975
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:19,702
I left them alone for a few minutes.
976
00:41:19,779 --> 00:41:21,887
The main mics were off,
but I'd left the room mics on.
977
00:41:21,953 --> 00:41:24,374
- Why?
- I had an instinct.
978
00:41:25,060 --> 00:41:26,819
A bad one.
979
00:41:30,895 --> 00:41:32,735
I still can't believe it worked.
980
00:41:32,771 --> 00:41:34,273
I told you it would.
981
00:41:34,448 --> 00:41:37,283
Planting those e-mails
on the computer was genius.
982
00:41:39,407 --> 00:41:40,965
You're my brilliant professor.
983
00:41:41,117 --> 00:41:43,050
I love you so much.
984
00:41:43,208 --> 00:41:44,590
I love you, too.
985
00:41:44,687 --> 00:41:46,054
Damn.
986
00:41:46,165 --> 00:41:48,273
Adele and Kauffman were in it together.
987
00:41:48,656 --> 00:41:50,046
Bellows was right.
988
00:41:50,171 --> 00:41:52,554
Adele was guilty and we
just got her out of prison.
989
00:41:52,777 --> 00:41:55,109
So, we're just gonna
take these... these tapes
990
00:41:55,146 --> 00:41:56,562
to the police, right?
991
00:41:56,599 --> 00:41:58,152
No. We got her acquitted.
992
00:41:58,189 --> 00:41:59,999
She can't be tried again.
Double jeopardy.
993
00:42:00,109 --> 00:42:02,531
Plus, Bellows will crucify us
for defending the guilty.
994
00:42:02,593 --> 00:42:04,163
He'll hammer it in his campaign slogans
995
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:05,499
and get himself elected.
996
00:42:05,634 --> 00:42:07,318
Man, they totally played us.
997
00:42:07,355 --> 00:42:08,880
It's diabolical.
998
00:42:09,208 --> 00:42:11,600
That CinderHella is good.
999
00:42:11,718 --> 00:42:13,273
And the cops will go after Leopold
1000
00:42:13,310 --> 00:42:14,601
and they'll find out he didn't do this.
1001
00:42:14,638 --> 00:42:16,476
We can still get this Professor Con Job
1002
00:42:16,513 --> 00:42:18,163
for accessory after the fact, right?
1003
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,825
Attorney-client privilege.
1004
00:42:19,895 --> 00:42:22,296
We can't implicate him
without implicating her.
1005
00:42:22,447 --> 00:42:24,296
We can't do anything. We're screwed.
1006
00:42:26,469 --> 00:42:28,561
It is the ethical
obligation of every lawyer
1007
00:42:28,598 --> 00:42:31,390
to mount a compelling defense
for their client.
1008
00:42:31,462 --> 00:42:34,382
Of course we hope to exonerate
only the innocent.
1009
00:42:34,419 --> 00:42:36,793
But sometimes the system fails
1010
00:42:36,830 --> 00:42:38,547
and the guilty are set free.
1011
00:42:39,004 --> 00:42:41,921
Now, lawyers are forbidden
to betray their clients,
1012
00:42:41,958 --> 00:42:43,941
innocent or guilty.
1013
00:42:44,368 --> 00:42:47,293
But for those of us who aren't lawyers,
1014
00:42:47,429 --> 00:42:50,273
we know that if a person
gets away with a crime,
1015
00:42:50,361 --> 00:42:52,554
there's a good chance
they'll commit another.
1016
00:42:53,242 --> 00:42:55,110
And when they do,
1017
00:42:55,714 --> 00:42:57,773
we will be right there to catch them.
1018
00:43:03,976 --> 00:43:05,343
Hey.
1019
00:43:05,423 --> 00:43:06,749
Listen, I've been trying to call you.
1020
00:43:06,786 --> 00:43:10,117
I am so sorry, okay?
Joe ran that story, not me.
1021
00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:11,499
I tried to get him to stop it...
1022
00:43:13,312 --> 00:43:15,609
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