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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,344 --> 00:00:12,984 On the Dallas homicide squad, 2 00:00:13,054 --> 00:00:15,604 there is a detective who will not be denied. 3 00:00:15,682 --> 00:00:17,022 A super sleuth 4 00:00:17,100 --> 00:00:18,440 who turns cold trails 5 00:00:18,518 --> 00:00:20,188 into criminal convictions. 6 00:00:20,645 --> 00:00:22,855 Twenty-seven-year veteran Linda Erwin 7 00:00:22,939 --> 00:00:25,859 has put more killers in jail in two decades 8 00:00:25,942 --> 00:00:27,902 than any pulp fiction gumshoe. 9 00:00:28,153 --> 00:00:29,573 In one four-year period, 10 00:00:29,654 --> 00:00:32,824 she solved a remarkable 94% of her cases. 11 00:00:34,409 --> 00:00:37,119 I was the first woman in the homicide unit 12 00:00:37,203 --> 00:00:38,663 in the Dallas Police Department. 13 00:00:41,458 --> 00:00:44,958 We made arrangements to go down to Georgetown to talk to Henry Lucas. 14 00:00:47,130 --> 00:00:50,880 I was told to bring him a carton of Pall Mall cigarettes, 15 00:00:51,342 --> 00:00:52,642 and he'd... he would... 16 00:00:53,178 --> 00:00:54,968 he'd tell me what I wanted to know. 17 00:01:02,187 --> 00:01:03,807 When I went down there, 18 00:01:05,190 --> 00:01:07,070 he had drawn this picture, 19 00:01:07,567 --> 00:01:09,147 said that this was a woman 20 00:01:09,235 --> 00:01:11,905 that he had murdered in the city of Dallas. 21 00:01:13,073 --> 00:01:15,743 Here's another one. He had drawn this little picture. 22 00:01:16,951 --> 00:01:18,371 Made these little notes. 23 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,790 She was redheaded, medium complexion. 24 00:01:25,085 --> 00:01:27,295 His name was on the thing... 25 00:01:27,378 --> 00:01:29,668 And then I just let him talk. 26 00:01:31,591 --> 00:01:33,971 I think he told me about ten. 27 00:01:34,052 --> 00:01:35,602 Ten murders. 28 00:01:36,679 --> 00:01:38,969 He just... He just talked. 29 00:01:39,057 --> 00:01:41,767 Home was in Shreveport, which it's not no more. 30 00:01:42,602 --> 00:01:44,402 I knew... 31 00:01:44,479 --> 00:01:46,899 that anything and everything he was telling me 32 00:01:46,981 --> 00:01:49,941 didn't match up with any unsolved murders that we had. 33 00:01:53,029 --> 00:01:54,529 When I got back to Dallas, 34 00:01:54,614 --> 00:01:56,164 I told my supervisors 35 00:01:56,241 --> 00:01:58,741 I didn't think that Henry Lucas had committed any murders 36 00:01:58,827 --> 00:01:59,987 in the city of Dallas. 37 00:02:01,246 --> 00:02:04,076 They said, "Just put together a case file, 38 00:02:04,541 --> 00:02:07,921 make up some bogus forensic reports, 39 00:02:08,211 --> 00:02:11,171 bogus crime scene photographs, 40 00:02:11,798 --> 00:02:14,968 just a totally bogus murder file, 41 00:02:15,635 --> 00:02:18,555 and see if he will admit to this." 42 00:02:22,642 --> 00:02:26,272 I did not tell the Rangers that it was a bogus case. 43 00:02:27,689 --> 00:02:30,189 And I felt very uncomfortable about that, 44 00:02:30,483 --> 00:02:31,693 but, um... 45 00:02:32,569 --> 00:02:33,699 we did it. 46 00:02:35,572 --> 00:02:37,032 Went and talked to him again. 47 00:02:38,199 --> 00:02:41,159 I kind of left the case file out on the desk, 48 00:02:41,244 --> 00:02:44,084 kind of laid some pictures out there so he could see 'em. 49 00:02:46,875 --> 00:02:50,455 And then he described how he did it, how he broke into the house, 50 00:02:50,795 --> 00:02:52,455 how he stabbed the woman, 51 00:02:52,797 --> 00:02:54,877 how he took her out and dumped her body, 52 00:02:55,300 --> 00:02:56,340 everything. 53 00:02:56,426 --> 00:02:59,596 Drain pipe, the way that the body was put in. 54 00:02:59,679 --> 00:03:03,559 I took and buried the body after which... And the body was never buried out there. 55 00:03:03,641 --> 00:03:05,311 I just knew he was lying. 56 00:03:05,393 --> 00:03:07,403 I knew he was lying. 57 00:03:09,606 --> 00:03:11,726 I told my supervisors, 58 00:03:12,442 --> 00:03:14,782 "This is all gonna come crashing down." 59 00:03:57,612 --> 00:04:01,702 Henry Lee Lucas says he has killed 360 people. 60 00:04:01,783 --> 00:04:05,583 First he said 100 victims. Then 300. Then 600. 61 00:04:05,662 --> 00:04:07,982 Easily making him the country's most prolific 62 00:04:08,039 --> 00:04:09,119 serial murderer. 63 00:04:09,540 --> 00:04:12,250 Lucas was confessing to any unsolved murder 64 00:04:12,335 --> 00:04:14,335 the Texas Rangers put before him. 65 00:04:14,420 --> 00:04:18,470 I was a person beyond any criminal there ever was. 66 00:04:19,008 --> 00:04:20,338 And he would have even confessed 67 00:04:20,426 --> 00:04:23,296 to the Lindbergh baby's death if he had known anything about it. 68 00:04:23,388 --> 00:04:25,308 Do you know how many people you've killed? 69 00:04:25,390 --> 00:04:29,390 Well, I'm gonna stick with 360 right now until I'm definitely sure of it. 70 00:04:30,228 --> 00:04:32,808 But I know it's gonna be way higher than that. 71 00:04:34,774 --> 00:04:38,904 ♪ These are tales of Texas Rangers ♪ 72 00:04:39,070 --> 00:04:44,280 ♪ A band of sturdy men ♪ 73 00:04:44,701 --> 00:04:46,161 ♪ Always on the side of justice ♪ 74 00:04:46,244 --> 00:04:48,124 I would describe the Rangers 75 00:04:48,329 --> 00:04:52,079 as American as baseball and apple pie. 76 00:04:53,793 --> 00:04:55,923 And they were just... They were everybody's hero. 77 00:04:56,004 --> 00:04:57,214 They were my hero. 78 00:04:58,047 --> 00:05:00,677 Since 1835, these men have captured thieves, 79 00:05:00,758 --> 00:05:02,718 forgers, cattle rustlers, and murderers. 80 00:05:02,802 --> 00:05:03,642 Riding along... 81 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,470 Texas Rangers are part of the Texas Department of Public Safety. 82 00:05:08,850 --> 00:05:12,060 When I'd get new Rangers in, I'd tell 'em, 83 00:05:12,145 --> 00:05:16,355 "There's probably not anything you can do to enhance the reputation of the Rangers, 84 00:05:16,816 --> 00:05:20,446 and don't do anything to tarnish the reputation of the Rangers. 85 00:05:21,237 --> 00:05:22,777 You're a Ranger 24 hours a day." 86 00:05:22,864 --> 00:05:25,124 ♪ To enforce the law for you ♪ 87 00:05:26,701 --> 00:05:29,001 And they were always the good guys, you know? 88 00:05:29,454 --> 00:05:32,044 I wa... I wanted to be one of the good guys, too. 89 00:05:32,123 --> 00:05:34,963 I thought I might can be a ranger someday. 90 00:05:38,171 --> 00:05:40,301 I grew up the son of a Baptist preacher, 91 00:05:40,715 --> 00:05:44,335 and I was ordained as a minister when I was 18 years old. 92 00:05:45,928 --> 00:05:50,808 Later, I worked right out of high school at the Austin Police Department. 93 00:05:51,351 --> 00:05:54,941 My sergeant told me, he said, "Feazell, get your butt in college." 94 00:05:56,314 --> 00:05:57,944 And when I graduated, 95 00:05:58,024 --> 00:06:01,864 I started practicing law basically out of the trunk of my car. 96 00:06:04,280 --> 00:06:06,820 Until I decided to run for district attorney. 97 00:06:06,908 --> 00:06:10,498 I will continue to stand for the young people... 98 00:06:10,578 --> 00:06:12,958 And I think most of the people in this state... 99 00:06:13,039 --> 00:06:15,249 I was elected at age 32, 100 00:06:15,541 --> 00:06:17,211 the youngest district attorney 101 00:06:17,293 --> 00:06:20,883 in McLennan County since 100 years ago. 102 00:06:25,885 --> 00:06:27,385 We ran a good office. 103 00:06:27,887 --> 00:06:31,517 We had the highest felony conviction rate in the state of Texas 104 00:06:31,599 --> 00:06:33,479 for counties over 100,000. 105 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,270 I eventually either wanted to run for Governor 106 00:06:39,232 --> 00:06:41,072 or United States Congress. 107 00:06:44,195 --> 00:06:46,815 Feazell was charming, charismatic, 108 00:06:47,615 --> 00:06:49,825 and he was popular. He was a popular DA. 109 00:06:50,243 --> 00:06:53,163 He was a Bill Clinton before Bill Clinton. 110 00:06:54,038 --> 00:06:56,668 - I don't think so. - Feazell was very ambitious. 111 00:06:57,208 --> 00:07:00,038 Probably one of the most dangerous places in town 112 00:07:00,128 --> 00:07:03,258 would be between him and a... and a TV camera. 113 00:07:07,468 --> 00:07:09,428 I would see on TV 114 00:07:09,512 --> 00:07:13,472 Texas DAs with Henry Lucas pleading guilty to cases. 115 00:07:13,850 --> 00:07:17,520 And, uh, I wanted my photo-op. I did. 116 00:07:17,937 --> 00:07:20,357 It was good publicity for a district attorney 117 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,020 that wanted to get reelected. 118 00:07:24,193 --> 00:07:29,373 The Rangers had Henry ready to come to Waco and plead guilty 119 00:07:30,032 --> 00:07:32,792 to three crimes in McLennan County. 120 00:07:34,328 --> 00:07:38,168 But I had suspicions about Henry's confessions. 121 00:07:38,583 --> 00:07:41,253 The confessions sounded funny to me. 122 00:07:43,421 --> 00:07:45,971 Then I started looking behind the curtain. 123 00:07:47,842 --> 00:07:49,722 When we typed in "Henry Lee Lucas" 124 00:07:49,802 --> 00:07:52,352 into the computer for the national criminal records... 125 00:07:54,265 --> 00:07:58,055 Someone did not want other law-enforcement people 126 00:07:58,144 --> 00:08:00,984 to know where Henry was 127 00:08:01,564 --> 00:08:02,694 on certain dates. 128 00:08:03,774 --> 00:08:05,034 It was a wake-up call. 129 00:08:07,820 --> 00:08:11,820 I think that Feazell was willing to put himself on the line, 130 00:08:12,742 --> 00:08:15,412 like few other district attorneys 131 00:08:16,287 --> 00:08:17,997 would have done at that time. 132 00:08:18,623 --> 00:08:20,123 And I admired that. 133 00:08:20,833 --> 00:08:23,593 And I told him I'd help him any way I could. 134 00:08:26,255 --> 00:08:28,795 When Hugh Aynesworth sat down with us 135 00:08:29,050 --> 00:08:32,090 and showed us what he was going to publish, 136 00:08:33,054 --> 00:08:37,684 and started laying out these dates and these murders side by side... 137 00:08:39,852 --> 00:08:43,902 I realized that this whole situation was bigger 138 00:08:44,273 --> 00:08:45,783 than I ever thought it was. 139 00:08:47,318 --> 00:08:49,898 There was a great bit of anticipation 140 00:08:49,987 --> 00:08:52,867 about the articles from the editors. 141 00:08:53,824 --> 00:08:59,044 Texas Rangers were renowned and adored by many people. 142 00:08:59,288 --> 00:09:01,288 We knew that we were taking that on. 143 00:09:01,374 --> 00:09:04,254 The editors once or twice over those months said, 144 00:09:04,335 --> 00:09:05,415 "Are you sure?" 145 00:09:12,009 --> 00:09:14,389 When Hugh Aynesworth's article came out, 146 00:09:14,929 --> 00:09:16,889 man, did it make a splash. 147 00:09:20,643 --> 00:09:22,903 That started the fire. It really did. 148 00:09:25,856 --> 00:09:28,106 My lieutenant called me, 149 00:09:28,359 --> 00:09:30,699 and he said, "Have you seen the morning paper?" 150 00:09:31,237 --> 00:09:32,817 And I said, "No, I have not." 151 00:09:32,905 --> 00:09:34,695 "Well, go out and get it." 152 00:09:35,449 --> 00:09:37,909 There's a huge front-page story. 153 00:09:39,745 --> 00:09:44,705 The Rangers were upset because it cast criticism on them. 154 00:09:45,668 --> 00:09:49,168 But everybody in the Dallas Police Department was elated 155 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:52,590 that we had done what we had done. 156 00:09:53,467 --> 00:09:55,717 Hugh Aynesworth is reporting his investigation 157 00:09:55,803 --> 00:09:57,853 to raise questions about Lucas's confessions. 158 00:09:57,930 --> 00:10:00,560 We found scores of cases where, physically, 159 00:10:00,641 --> 00:10:02,891 uh, Mr. Lucas just could not have been there. 160 00:10:03,311 --> 00:10:05,271 We got ahold of some of the confessions 161 00:10:05,354 --> 00:10:07,774 and they're the most ludicrous things you could imagine. 162 00:10:07,857 --> 00:10:09,397 If all this, uh, is true, uh, 163 00:10:09,483 --> 00:10:11,243 he could not have been in these places, uh, 164 00:10:11,319 --> 00:10:15,449 some 197 cases were closed that should still be open. 165 00:10:15,531 --> 00:10:17,781 Murderers still in the street, families, uh... 166 00:10:17,867 --> 00:10:20,117 uh, looking on bewildered as to what's going on. 167 00:10:20,202 --> 00:10:21,872 It really is a bizarre situation. 168 00:10:23,831 --> 00:10:27,211 Word got out that we made a bogus Dallas case 169 00:10:27,293 --> 00:10:28,423 that he had confessed to. 170 00:10:31,839 --> 00:10:35,589 I'm sure the Texas Rangers did not like me, 171 00:10:35,676 --> 00:10:40,136 and I... I don't like to speak badly of brother officers, 172 00:10:40,222 --> 00:10:41,272 I just don't, 173 00:10:41,766 --> 00:10:42,806 but... but some... 174 00:10:42,892 --> 00:10:46,562 but some detectives or... or investigators 175 00:10:47,688 --> 00:10:50,148 try so hard for something to happen 176 00:10:50,232 --> 00:10:52,572 and they want so hard for something to happen, 177 00:10:52,652 --> 00:10:54,952 that they can't see the forest for the trees. 178 00:10:57,782 --> 00:10:59,662 Sheriff Boutwell and the Rangers 179 00:10:59,742 --> 00:11:01,912 say Aynesworth got his facts wrong. 180 00:11:01,994 --> 00:11:05,834 Well, the information that Aynesworth has is probably old, 181 00:11:05,915 --> 00:11:08,455 inaccurate, incomplete information. 182 00:11:09,085 --> 00:11:11,995 Uh, some of these murders that have been confirmed 183 00:11:12,630 --> 00:11:15,970 uh, might show within the month in question. 184 00:11:16,801 --> 00:11:20,141 Actually, that was the month that the body was discovered, 185 00:11:20,638 --> 00:11:23,348 but the murder may have happened months and months earlier. 186 00:11:23,432 --> 00:11:26,192 You know, no one likes to have their name and... 187 00:11:27,186 --> 00:11:28,516 agency smeared, 188 00:11:28,604 --> 00:11:31,524 and that's what Aynesworth obviously was trying to do. 189 00:11:33,275 --> 00:11:36,815 Aynesworth had taken advantage of Boutwell's kindness, 190 00:11:36,904 --> 00:11:40,414 let him come in and interview Lucas and have access to him, and then... 191 00:11:40,741 --> 00:11:41,871 then him... 192 00:11:42,284 --> 00:11:43,794 turn on us, uh, 193 00:11:43,869 --> 00:11:47,999 and show that he was very, very anti-law enforcement and, uh... 194 00:11:48,624 --> 00:11:51,794 uh, tried to show us in the worst light. 195 00:11:55,506 --> 00:11:58,376 Today in Austin, the state's Director of Public Safety 196 00:11:58,467 --> 00:12:03,007 denied reports that his office has bungled the case of the confessed murderer. 197 00:12:03,097 --> 00:12:05,557 And I feel very comfortable and very confident 198 00:12:05,641 --> 00:12:08,141 in the fact that the task force has operated 199 00:12:08,227 --> 00:12:10,517 within the charter it was originally given. 200 00:12:10,604 --> 00:12:13,114 He said that in more than 100 cases, 201 00:12:13,190 --> 00:12:16,610 Lucas led officers to the scene without any guidance from them. 202 00:12:16,861 --> 00:12:19,951 What I haven't seen is, I haven't seen any wholesale 203 00:12:20,448 --> 00:12:23,738 conspiracy to just write off a bunch of killings 204 00:12:23,826 --> 00:12:27,196 as having been, uh, committed, uh, by Lucas. 205 00:12:30,541 --> 00:12:34,041 I had decided, uh, the best way to get to the bottom of this 206 00:12:34,128 --> 00:12:38,218 was to impanel a grand jury specifically for Henry Lee Lucas, 207 00:12:38,674 --> 00:12:40,594 and let us figure out how it was 208 00:12:40,676 --> 00:12:43,636 that he had confessed to three cases in our county, 209 00:12:43,721 --> 00:12:45,851 that, to us, obviously, 210 00:12:45,931 --> 00:12:47,391 he had not done. 211 00:12:55,274 --> 00:12:58,494 We got a warrant to take Henry away from the Rangers 212 00:12:58,569 --> 00:13:01,029 and to bring him to our jurisdiction 213 00:13:01,405 --> 00:13:03,485 to testify before our grand jury. 214 00:13:05,493 --> 00:13:10,043 And our sheriff drove to Georgetown to get Henry and bring him back. 215 00:13:17,254 --> 00:13:20,384 It was like an old Texas standoff there for a while. 216 00:13:26,305 --> 00:13:27,925 They weren't gonna let him go. 217 00:13:29,058 --> 00:13:31,098 Yes, that was a big... 218 00:13:32,311 --> 00:13:34,861 major upset. 219 00:13:36,857 --> 00:13:39,027 I was having a Bible study, 220 00:13:39,109 --> 00:13:41,569 and the jailer came up and said, 221 00:13:41,654 --> 00:13:45,624 "Sister Clemmie, they are taking Henry to Waco." 222 00:13:46,534 --> 00:13:49,504 Sheriff Boutwell said, "Who ever heard 223 00:13:49,578 --> 00:13:53,288 of an investigator from Waco, Texas 224 00:13:53,374 --> 00:13:56,344 coming and taking my prisoner away? 225 00:13:56,418 --> 00:13:58,168 Who gave him that power?" 226 00:13:59,922 --> 00:14:02,012 I definitely saw frustration 227 00:14:02,091 --> 00:14:05,551 on the part of Boutwell and the task force. 228 00:14:05,636 --> 00:14:08,306 I think they all believed 229 00:14:08,556 --> 00:14:11,976 that they were involved in something extraordinary. 230 00:14:13,727 --> 00:14:17,187 I think Feazell's goal was to... 231 00:14:17,690 --> 00:14:19,020 demolish the task force. 232 00:14:20,109 --> 00:14:21,859 Sheriff Boutwell said to me, 233 00:14:21,944 --> 00:14:26,074 "Vic will wish he never heard the name Henry Lee Lucas." 234 00:14:27,241 --> 00:14:30,331 And so, the war was on. 235 00:14:44,383 --> 00:14:47,643 After Clemmie had seen Henry in the Waco jail, 236 00:14:48,262 --> 00:14:50,852 she called me and she was very, very upset. 237 00:14:50,931 --> 00:14:53,391 She thought he was suicidal. 238 00:14:53,934 --> 00:14:57,694 Uh, he was speaking in a monotone, he was very confused. 239 00:14:57,771 --> 00:14:58,771 She kept saying he's... 240 00:14:58,814 --> 00:15:01,824 "He ate a sandwich with tomatoes, and he hates tomatoes. 241 00:15:01,901 --> 00:15:03,531 Something is really wrong." 242 00:15:03,611 --> 00:15:06,201 And he was crying, and I saw him, 243 00:15:06,822 --> 00:15:08,622 and I started crying. 244 00:15:08,949 --> 00:15:11,159 He kept repeating things like, 245 00:15:11,785 --> 00:15:12,785 um... 246 00:15:12,953 --> 00:15:15,043 "I thought I killed people, 247 00:15:15,664 --> 00:15:18,754 but maybe I didn't. Did I?" 248 00:15:21,170 --> 00:15:23,170 Clemmie was telling me that... 249 00:15:23,714 --> 00:15:28,184 Vic Feazell was keeping Henry for hours at a time 250 00:15:28,260 --> 00:15:30,430 and quoting scripture to him, 251 00:15:30,804 --> 00:15:35,814 and was telling him that this was the most important moment in his life, 252 00:15:36,435 --> 00:15:38,555 and that God was telling him 253 00:15:38,646 --> 00:15:41,976 he needed to make this transition and finally tell the truth. 254 00:15:46,612 --> 00:15:50,322 The atmosphere around the courthouse was like a circus. 255 00:15:51,283 --> 00:15:54,703 There were cameras everywhere, media people everywhere. 256 00:15:55,287 --> 00:15:57,667 A special grand jury met in Waco, Texas today 257 00:15:57,748 --> 00:16:00,538 to hear the story of a self-described mass murderer. 258 00:16:00,626 --> 00:16:03,496 The question they want answered: Is he really? 259 00:16:09,718 --> 00:16:12,197 When Henry Lee Lucas walked into his first session 260 00:16:12,221 --> 00:16:14,181 with the McLennan County grand jury, 261 00:16:14,264 --> 00:16:16,684 he started officially telling a different story 262 00:16:16,767 --> 00:16:19,687 than he has been telling over the past two years. 263 00:16:26,110 --> 00:16:29,410 My client, Henry Lee Lucas, now would like to make a statement. 264 00:16:29,905 --> 00:16:30,735 Henry. 265 00:16:30,823 --> 00:16:34,583 Yes, I'd like to state that I haven't done these crimes. 266 00:16:34,827 --> 00:16:37,037 Lucas, the most publicized convict alive, 267 00:16:37,121 --> 00:16:39,711 said officers in Texas and across the country 268 00:16:39,790 --> 00:16:43,170 made it easy for him to confess by feeding him information. 269 00:16:43,585 --> 00:16:46,545 Those are people that wanted cases cleared, 270 00:16:47,006 --> 00:16:49,256 and they'll show you pictures of that crime, 271 00:16:50,175 --> 00:16:53,505 they'll take and give you all the information of the crime, 272 00:16:54,638 --> 00:16:57,558 and all you have to do is stand there and say, "Yeah, I did it," 273 00:16:58,308 --> 00:17:00,018 and they've been cleared that way. 274 00:17:01,937 --> 00:17:04,307 This is what... This is what's got to stop. 275 00:17:04,773 --> 00:17:06,943 After saying you committed so many murders, 276 00:17:07,026 --> 00:17:10,066 what made you decide to say you didn't commit them? 277 00:17:10,154 --> 00:17:13,074 Well, when you see the hurt that you're causing to people 278 00:17:13,782 --> 00:17:15,662 by accepting these crimes... 279 00:17:16,452 --> 00:17:19,202 And all these crimes, somebody had to kill these people. 280 00:17:19,580 --> 00:17:22,000 That's leaving murderers out there on the street. 281 00:17:23,542 --> 00:17:25,542 And I can't... I just can't do that. 282 00:17:29,715 --> 00:17:33,545 Henry Lee Lucas now admits he's not just a killer, he's also a liar. 283 00:17:33,969 --> 00:17:36,309 He has confessed to more than 600 killings. 284 00:17:36,388 --> 00:17:38,888 Now, he says those confessions were a hoax. 285 00:17:38,974 --> 00:17:43,024 Henry Lee Lucas now says he did not kill hundreds of people, only his mother. 286 00:17:43,479 --> 00:17:45,609 Instead, he says law enforcement officers 287 00:17:45,689 --> 00:17:47,819 helped him confess to unsolved murders. 288 00:17:50,319 --> 00:17:53,239 As the testimony went on, Attorney General Mattox indicated 289 00:17:53,322 --> 00:17:55,572 Lucas has been giving information to the grand jury 290 00:17:55,657 --> 00:17:58,617 that placed the confessed killer thousands of miles away 291 00:17:58,702 --> 00:18:01,712 from the scenes of crimes police have attributed to him. 292 00:18:02,581 --> 00:18:04,581 Attorney General Mattox got mad. 293 00:18:04,666 --> 00:18:06,086 I mean, Mattox hit the roof. 294 00:18:06,919 --> 00:18:10,509 He put the power of his organization behind our grand jury. 295 00:18:11,423 --> 00:18:13,633 Does this concern you, uh, as far as, uh, 296 00:18:13,717 --> 00:18:16,597 law enforcement officials overanxious to believe this man? 297 00:18:16,678 --> 00:18:19,388 Uh, I would hope that there's been no inappropriate activity, 298 00:18:19,473 --> 00:18:20,893 but... but we don't know yet. 299 00:18:20,974 --> 00:18:23,734 Our purpose is not, here, to investigate the task force. 300 00:18:23,811 --> 00:18:25,651 Our purpose is to try to determine 301 00:18:25,979 --> 00:18:28,069 whether or not, uh, Henry Lucas 302 00:18:28,148 --> 00:18:30,293 committed some of these crimes here in McLennan County. 303 00:18:30,317 --> 00:18:31,637 But the Rangers say... 304 00:18:36,907 --> 00:18:38,367 All right, Mr. Lucas, 305 00:18:38,951 --> 00:18:41,451 as you say, over the last two years, you have... 306 00:18:42,412 --> 00:18:46,632 said that you committed some 600 murders. 307 00:18:46,708 --> 00:18:47,958 I have... 308 00:18:48,627 --> 00:18:51,167 been admitting to crimes that I haven't committed. 309 00:18:51,713 --> 00:18:54,173 Police say that you drew detailed sketches 310 00:18:54,258 --> 00:18:56,178 of the people you were supposed to have murdered, 311 00:18:56,218 --> 00:18:58,098 and you took them to locations. 312 00:18:58,512 --> 00:18:59,682 Is this true? 313 00:19:00,472 --> 00:19:03,182 I di... I have never took anybody to locations. 314 00:19:03,267 --> 00:19:05,347 They have took me to locations. 315 00:19:05,894 --> 00:19:08,864 I don't drive the car and I don't tell 'em which way to go. 316 00:19:09,439 --> 00:19:13,029 If Lucas would kill his own mother, I think it... 317 00:19:13,652 --> 00:19:15,862 is not a surprise that he'd lie to you. 318 00:19:15,946 --> 00:19:18,816 It didn't... It didn't surprise me one bit that he would recant. 319 00:19:18,907 --> 00:19:21,447 That's about the only normal thing I saw him do. 320 00:19:21,535 --> 00:19:23,445 He just wanted to please. 321 00:19:23,912 --> 00:19:25,462 He wanted to please law enforcement, 322 00:19:25,539 --> 00:19:29,539 and he thought taking all these cases would make him a friend. 323 00:19:29,835 --> 00:19:32,585 And then, when they got Henry away from law enforcement, 324 00:19:33,297 --> 00:19:35,377 then he... I mean, he flipped just like that. He... 325 00:19:35,465 --> 00:19:38,465 Like I say, he... He's gonna dance with whoever brought him. 326 00:19:41,054 --> 00:19:43,274 The Texas Rangers have not taken kindly 327 00:19:43,348 --> 00:19:46,808 to recent allegations that they did some sloppy police work. 328 00:19:46,894 --> 00:19:49,694 The task force has nothing to apologize or be... 329 00:19:50,022 --> 00:19:51,772 uh, to be embarrassed about. 330 00:19:51,857 --> 00:19:54,777 I do feel very definite, without a doubt, 331 00:19:54,860 --> 00:19:58,110 that he is involved in an extremely large number of homicides. 332 00:19:58,197 --> 00:20:00,617 From the very beginning, he's furnished, uh, 333 00:20:00,699 --> 00:20:02,989 reliable and unreliable information. 334 00:20:03,076 --> 00:20:06,616 Uh, the one thing that, uh, the task force feels comfortable with, 335 00:20:06,914 --> 00:20:08,624 uh, is the fact that, uh... 336 00:20:08,957 --> 00:20:11,627 uh, any statement he may now be making 337 00:20:11,710 --> 00:20:13,500 that he only killed three people... 338 00:20:13,587 --> 00:20:15,797 That assertion is just patently false. 339 00:20:17,132 --> 00:20:19,472 I think he's... he's being responsive to our questions. 340 00:20:19,885 --> 00:20:21,385 He is. He's being cooperative. 341 00:20:21,470 --> 00:20:23,470 - In terms... - Is he being truthful? 342 00:20:24,473 --> 00:20:26,433 You'll have to ask the good lord that question. 343 00:20:29,978 --> 00:20:33,898 Well, you have been quoted as saying that as long as you kept confessing, 344 00:20:33,982 --> 00:20:36,992 you wouldn't be sent to the penitentiary to be executed. 345 00:20:37,069 --> 00:20:38,899 Did someone tell you that? 346 00:20:38,987 --> 00:20:42,407 I've been told that by the Rangers, I've been told that by the sheriff. 347 00:20:43,367 --> 00:20:45,577 Bob Prince always said to me, 348 00:20:45,661 --> 00:20:47,251 before this even happened, 349 00:20:47,663 --> 00:20:50,833 that there would come a day when Henry would decide he didn't... 350 00:20:50,916 --> 00:20:54,286 didn't want to do this anymore and he would change his mind. 351 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,170 And the reason he would do that was 352 00:20:57,256 --> 00:21:00,586 because he would realize that he was gonna have to be put to death. 353 00:21:00,676 --> 00:21:04,006 Uh, maybe, uh, he's beginning to see that, uh... 354 00:21:04,096 --> 00:21:07,676 the pace is picking up a little bit down in Huntsville 355 00:21:07,766 --> 00:21:09,016 on... on executions. 356 00:21:11,395 --> 00:21:13,895 Authorities in California have doubts about murders 357 00:21:13,981 --> 00:21:15,571 Lucas claims to have committed there. 358 00:21:15,983 --> 00:21:18,783 Arlington police say they are going to re-examine 359 00:21:18,860 --> 00:21:21,320 two cases Lucas confessed to last year. 360 00:21:21,738 --> 00:21:23,925 District Attorney Darnell is asking a judge 361 00:21:23,949 --> 00:21:26,119 to dismiss the Lubbock cases against Lucas. 362 00:21:26,201 --> 00:21:28,951 We do not feel that we have sufficient evidence 363 00:21:29,371 --> 00:21:33,081 to prove that he was responsible for the death of Debra Sue Williamson. 364 00:21:35,210 --> 00:21:37,210 Lubbock PD said 365 00:21:37,296 --> 00:21:40,666 that they had reopened her case 366 00:21:40,757 --> 00:21:42,087 and were working on it. 367 00:21:44,428 --> 00:21:47,968 We went to Waco to the grand jury. 368 00:21:48,056 --> 00:21:52,096 It felt good to be able to tell our story 369 00:21:53,061 --> 00:21:55,941 and not be ridiculed for it. 370 00:21:58,191 --> 00:22:00,941 And it was very encouraging 371 00:22:01,028 --> 00:22:04,068 to hear Henry tell his story, 372 00:22:04,656 --> 00:22:09,366 that he did not have anything to do with Debbie's murder. 373 00:22:10,412 --> 00:22:12,872 Well, I didn't have a hard time finding her house. 374 00:22:12,956 --> 00:22:13,786 Why not? 375 00:22:13,874 --> 00:22:16,174 Because he took me right to it. 376 00:22:16,793 --> 00:22:20,633 And I says, uh, "There was a car parked in the carport at the time," 377 00:22:20,714 --> 00:22:23,804 which the picture shows the body laying there beside the car, you know? 378 00:22:23,884 --> 00:22:26,554 - So they showed you photographs? - Yeah. And so... 379 00:22:26,636 --> 00:22:29,636 This is before you actually had confirmed anything, 380 00:22:29,723 --> 00:22:30,853 they showed you photographs? 381 00:22:30,932 --> 00:22:33,022 Yeah. I'd already seen photographs, you know. 382 00:22:33,101 --> 00:22:36,651 And plus, they was sitting at the house, they're showing me photographs too. 383 00:22:42,361 --> 00:22:44,491 The special grand jury convened Thursday 384 00:22:44,571 --> 00:22:46,821 at McLennan County Courthouse in Waco. 385 00:22:46,907 --> 00:22:49,027 What was supposed to be an inquiry 386 00:22:49,117 --> 00:22:52,247 into whether Henry Lee Lucas killed two people near Waco 387 00:22:52,329 --> 00:22:56,789 has turned into an investigation of how those confessions were obtained. 388 00:22:59,127 --> 00:23:01,797 Henry started telling us that it was the Rangers 389 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,550 that had let him look at photographs, 390 00:23:04,633 --> 00:23:06,893 let him read the police reports. 391 00:23:08,970 --> 00:23:12,770 Boutwell and Prince testified before the grand jury. 392 00:23:13,934 --> 00:23:18,114 They just stuck to the company line, that Henry really was a mass murderer, 393 00:23:18,647 --> 00:23:21,977 and you might find a few that he didn't commit, 394 00:23:22,067 --> 00:23:23,437 but that's not our fault. 395 00:23:24,945 --> 00:23:28,025 Now that special Texas Ranger task force has come under fire, 396 00:23:28,115 --> 00:23:31,235 specifically by McLennan County District Attorney Vic Feazell, 397 00:23:31,326 --> 00:23:33,326 who said the team may have acted improperly 398 00:23:33,412 --> 00:23:36,462 in eliciting what may be false confessions from Lucas. 399 00:23:36,540 --> 00:23:39,580 Uh, they don't seem to be concerned at this point in time 400 00:23:39,668 --> 00:23:42,588 with whether or not he's confessed to crimes he didn't commit. 401 00:23:42,671 --> 00:23:43,711 Whoa. 402 00:23:43,797 --> 00:23:48,717 That statement kind of sealed my fate that they would never quit hounding me. 403 00:23:51,847 --> 00:23:55,927 Vic Feazell didn't seem to be bothered about, 404 00:23:56,017 --> 00:23:58,517 in effect, coming out against law enforcement, 405 00:23:58,603 --> 00:24:04,073 which is not generally something that a district attorney usually does. 406 00:24:05,777 --> 00:24:09,067 The DA had an axe to grind with the Rangers, 407 00:24:09,781 --> 00:24:11,951 and I believe that 408 00:24:12,617 --> 00:24:16,907 the sole purpose of that was to give the Rangers a black eye. 409 00:24:19,082 --> 00:24:23,002 Feazell was stating they were looking into the unethical 410 00:24:23,086 --> 00:24:25,546 conduct of the... the task force. 411 00:24:26,715 --> 00:24:29,885 That we were intentionally feeding Lucas information. 412 00:24:29,968 --> 00:24:31,678 I think that puts him on a... 413 00:24:32,345 --> 00:24:36,015 uh, the same level, in my view, than... 414 00:24:36,475 --> 00:24:39,555 a lot of people I put in penitentiary for different crimes. 415 00:24:42,397 --> 00:24:43,727 I had no choice 416 00:24:44,191 --> 00:24:46,991 but to go against that thin blue line. 417 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:49,110 I had no choice but to... 418 00:24:49,779 --> 00:24:52,619 violate the law enforcement brotherhood. 419 00:24:54,659 --> 00:24:57,289 It just wasn't right what was going on with Henry. 420 00:24:57,746 --> 00:24:59,246 I couldn't let it go. 421 00:25:09,007 --> 00:25:11,337 I went to visit Colonel Jim Adams, 422 00:25:11,927 --> 00:25:14,677 head of the DPS, head of the Texas Rangers. 423 00:25:15,263 --> 00:25:17,473 And I told him, I said, "If you'll just... 424 00:25:18,391 --> 00:25:21,521 fix this, just tell me you'll make an effort to fix this, 425 00:25:21,853 --> 00:25:22,983 I'll back off." 426 00:25:23,688 --> 00:25:25,438 Jim Adams looked at me, 427 00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:30,529 and he said, "We're not reopening a single Lucas case, 428 00:25:31,238 --> 00:25:33,698 but I am investigating you." 429 00:25:56,346 --> 00:25:58,266 Right after I met with Adams, 430 00:25:58,932 --> 00:26:00,892 this reporter, Charles Duncan, 431 00:26:01,434 --> 00:26:02,814 showed up in Waco. 432 00:26:10,819 --> 00:26:13,699 Channel 8's Charles Duncan has the first of a series of reports 433 00:26:13,780 --> 00:26:15,410 on the controversial DA. 434 00:26:15,490 --> 00:26:17,030 Reports of large payments made... 435 00:26:17,117 --> 00:26:20,997 He accused me of taking bribes to dismiss DWIs. 436 00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:25,209 ...cases dropped after paying about $3,000 to lax prosecution... 437 00:26:25,292 --> 00:26:28,342 He accused me of being involved in drug rings. 438 00:26:29,004 --> 00:26:30,514 ...calls the district attorney... 439 00:26:30,589 --> 00:26:32,969 He accused me of not prosecuting people 440 00:26:33,049 --> 00:26:35,339 who had assaulted police officers. 441 00:26:35,927 --> 00:26:38,007 A Waco woman told Channel 8 News she... 442 00:26:38,096 --> 00:26:42,476 He accused me of taking money to recommend parole for people. 443 00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:44,939 ...it would cost us $2,000. 444 00:26:45,020 --> 00:26:47,060 Feazell said he was currently... 445 00:26:47,147 --> 00:26:49,607 Eleven episodes over a three-month period. 446 00:26:51,610 --> 00:26:53,900 Charles Duncan, Channel 8 News. 447 00:26:59,409 --> 00:27:03,159 Just when we thought we were going to be able to focus on the Rangers, 448 00:27:03,496 --> 00:27:05,866 the plug got pulled on our grand jury. 449 00:27:08,084 --> 00:27:13,304 And Boutwell took Henry back to the Georgetown jail. 450 00:27:16,343 --> 00:27:18,643 "We're getting things back to business as usual." 451 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,350 That's what he said to me when he took Henry away. 452 00:27:22,891 --> 00:27:27,601 And I said, "You mean get back to having Henry confess to more murders?" 453 00:27:27,687 --> 00:27:30,727 He said, "Yeah! Get back to business as usual." 454 00:27:34,611 --> 00:27:39,621 Sheriff Boutwell talked very little to me about Vic. 455 00:27:39,699 --> 00:27:42,489 But every time he would say anything, 456 00:27:42,577 --> 00:27:45,077 it would be with an ugly remark, like 457 00:27:45,747 --> 00:27:47,327 "His day is coming." 458 00:27:47,666 --> 00:27:49,416 "His time is limited." 459 00:27:56,341 --> 00:27:57,471 This is it, fellas. 460 00:28:17,278 --> 00:28:20,908 Did you have the feeling that, uh, District Attorney Feazell 461 00:28:20,990 --> 00:28:23,870 was trying to embarrass you or the Rangers? 462 00:28:24,327 --> 00:28:26,577 Well, I would have to say that... 463 00:28:27,580 --> 00:28:30,580 while the grand jury was proceeding in Waco, 464 00:28:31,292 --> 00:28:34,252 there were some public statements made that were critical 465 00:28:34,337 --> 00:28:35,837 of the Texas Rangers. 466 00:28:35,922 --> 00:28:37,302 For instance, uh... 467 00:28:37,716 --> 00:28:39,876 whether the Rangers had deliberately 468 00:28:40,218 --> 00:28:42,138 fed information to Lucas 469 00:28:42,220 --> 00:28:45,140 in order to, uh, clear murders. 470 00:28:45,598 --> 00:28:48,388 There was no basis in fact for such statements. 471 00:28:49,936 --> 00:28:53,566 I worked directly for Jim Adams. Reported straight to him. 472 00:28:53,982 --> 00:28:55,862 Very intelligent person, 473 00:28:56,109 --> 00:28:58,069 Uh, good sense of humor. 474 00:28:58,820 --> 00:29:01,450 Adams had chased Russian spies, 475 00:29:01,531 --> 00:29:03,071 spoke fluent Japanese, 476 00:29:03,283 --> 00:29:07,043 and really helped to modernize the Texas Rangers. 477 00:29:08,329 --> 00:29:09,709 But before then, 478 00:29:09,789 --> 00:29:13,499 he had been the number two in charge of the FBI. 479 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,720 This was the FBI's day before the Senate Intelligence Committee. 480 00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:22,719 Associate Deputy FBI Director James Adams 481 00:29:22,802 --> 00:29:26,392 conceded there had been abuses of constitutional rights. 482 00:29:26,473 --> 00:29:30,393 J. Edgar Hoover approved a wide variety of tactics, 483 00:29:30,477 --> 00:29:32,767 which included break-ins, wiretaps, 484 00:29:32,854 --> 00:29:34,904 dissemination of false information. 485 00:29:35,607 --> 00:29:37,147 Everything that you did... 486 00:29:37,984 --> 00:29:40,824 sought to silence somebody 487 00:29:40,904 --> 00:29:43,494 or frighten somebody into silence. Now someone... 488 00:29:43,573 --> 00:29:47,373 The same dirty tricks that he used working under J. Edgar Hoover, 489 00:29:47,869 --> 00:29:52,419 he could now bring in his FBI buddies and use them on me. 490 00:29:54,083 --> 00:29:56,003 Vic Feazell and his wife, Bernie, 491 00:29:56,085 --> 00:29:58,415 say there was evidence of an illegal wiretap 492 00:29:58,505 --> 00:30:00,715 at the telephone lines behind their house. 493 00:30:01,257 --> 00:30:04,217 And Mrs. Feazell says she surprised a man back there, 494 00:30:04,302 --> 00:30:06,052 who ran into a drainage tunnel. 495 00:30:06,304 --> 00:30:07,854 A man she recognized. 496 00:30:08,223 --> 00:30:10,773 She had recognized him as one of the men 497 00:30:10,850 --> 00:30:13,100 she had seen drive by the house before. 498 00:30:13,895 --> 00:30:15,725 She's also... She also recognized him 499 00:30:15,814 --> 00:30:18,784 because she had seen him in my office before, 500 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:21,610 presenting cases. 501 00:30:23,238 --> 00:30:24,608 He is with... 502 00:30:25,907 --> 00:30:27,367 a law enforcement agency. 503 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,170 I was a detective working with Vic. 504 00:30:40,672 --> 00:30:42,632 Mysterious stuff started happening. 505 00:30:42,757 --> 00:30:44,677 People's phones were being tapped. 506 00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:47,640 All kinds of threats going around. 507 00:30:49,556 --> 00:30:50,716 And, uh... 508 00:30:51,474 --> 00:30:53,064 they killed Vic's dog. 509 00:30:53,893 --> 00:30:57,113 They was putting a wiretap out there on the phone pole behind his house 510 00:30:57,188 --> 00:30:59,228 and that little dog would bark all the time. 511 00:31:00,525 --> 00:31:02,025 We had a little Sheltie. 512 00:31:02,652 --> 00:31:05,742 And one day I came home from work and I said "Where's Spanky?" 513 00:31:06,155 --> 00:31:08,115 And we went outside looking for Spanky, 514 00:31:08,199 --> 00:31:12,119 and Spanky was laying on his side with his tongue out and... 515 00:31:13,121 --> 00:31:15,121 We took him to the vet immediately, 516 00:31:15,206 --> 00:31:17,496 and the vet said, "This dog's been poisoned." 517 00:31:23,756 --> 00:31:26,336 Whenever he'd leave at night to go home, 518 00:31:26,426 --> 00:31:27,636 I'd follow him home. 519 00:31:28,386 --> 00:31:30,306 I thought somebody was gonna kill him. 520 00:31:30,638 --> 00:31:31,638 I really did. 521 00:31:35,476 --> 00:31:37,516 I started receiving threats. 522 00:31:38,396 --> 00:31:40,356 My phone ringing at night. 523 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,150 People saying, "We have a bullet with your name on it." 524 00:31:46,112 --> 00:31:49,452 I could not tell who was wearing the white hats 525 00:31:49,782 --> 00:31:51,952 and who was wearing the black hats. 526 00:31:52,035 --> 00:31:54,575 That's how confused I was. 527 00:31:55,872 --> 00:32:00,542 On both sides, they truly believed what they were saying. 528 00:32:01,878 --> 00:32:04,508 But what was the truth? 529 00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:07,270 What everyone wants to know now 530 00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:10,050 is does McLennan County have a crooked district attorney 531 00:32:10,595 --> 00:32:13,805 or are the Department of Public Safety, the FBI, and the Justice Department 532 00:32:14,349 --> 00:32:16,179 trying to teach Vic Feazell a lesson? 533 00:32:16,809 --> 00:32:19,939 No, I-I don't know of no retaliation whatever. 534 00:32:20,688 --> 00:32:22,518 How did some of the Rangers 535 00:32:22,607 --> 00:32:24,727 characterize their feelings toward Feazell? 536 00:32:25,151 --> 00:32:27,571 Well, I think fairly much the same way I did. 537 00:32:27,654 --> 00:32:29,324 Uh, he had interfered with, uh, 538 00:32:29,405 --> 00:32:32,615 what was an ongoing nationwide investigation. 539 00:32:33,451 --> 00:32:35,621 Uh, I didn't like it then, I don't like it now. 540 00:32:35,703 --> 00:32:36,543 Right. 541 00:32:39,707 --> 00:32:43,877 September the 17th, 1986. 542 00:32:45,505 --> 00:32:47,295 I pulled into the courthouse, 543 00:32:47,382 --> 00:32:50,592 and I could hear the car tires squealing in behind me. 544 00:32:52,512 --> 00:32:54,682 Back off, please. Back off. 545 00:32:55,556 --> 00:32:58,016 I was surrounded by FBI agents 546 00:32:58,434 --> 00:33:01,274 reading me my rights and putting me in handcuffs. 547 00:33:03,314 --> 00:33:07,364 The FBI and Texas Department of Public Safety officers arrested Feazell 548 00:33:07,443 --> 00:33:09,363 after an Austin Federal Grand Jury 549 00:33:09,445 --> 00:33:12,525 returned a 12-count indictment against him for accepting bribes, 550 00:33:12,615 --> 00:33:14,275 racketeering, and mail fraud. 551 00:33:17,787 --> 00:33:20,265 - They were making a show of it. - Mr. Feazell! 552 00:33:20,289 --> 00:33:22,789 - Making me do the perp walk. - Excuse me. 553 00:33:22,875 --> 00:33:25,955 - Are you arresting Mr. Feazell? - Channel 8 was in on it. 554 00:33:27,422 --> 00:33:29,842 They had five cameras there. 555 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,600 I think y'all know what's going on. 556 00:33:35,722 --> 00:33:38,602 What I said all along and I'll still be proven right. 557 00:33:39,767 --> 00:33:41,307 They wanted to intimidate him. 558 00:33:41,894 --> 00:33:43,944 And, of course, they made a mistake... 559 00:33:44,731 --> 00:33:48,741 by not putting his hands behind his back, because they didn't like that picture 560 00:33:48,818 --> 00:33:51,028 where he was going like this with the handcuffs on, 561 00:33:51,112 --> 00:33:52,112 you know? 562 00:33:53,156 --> 00:33:56,156 FBI agent Bob Vain took Feazell up to his office, 563 00:33:56,242 --> 00:33:57,622 where agents locked the doors, 564 00:33:57,702 --> 00:34:00,912 evidently to prevent any disturbance in gathering evidence. 565 00:34:03,124 --> 00:34:04,804 Feazell was taken to the federal courthouse 566 00:34:04,876 --> 00:34:06,586 by the four arresting agents. 567 00:34:07,003 --> 00:34:09,923 You know what happened. I stepped on the wrong toes here. 568 00:34:10,506 --> 00:34:12,109 - Where you going? - Slide into the center. 569 00:34:12,133 --> 00:34:13,303 I have no idea. 570 00:34:13,384 --> 00:34:14,594 Sit right in the center. 571 00:34:18,765 --> 00:34:21,055 At the same time they were arresting me, 572 00:34:21,517 --> 00:34:24,307 15 agents descended on my house. 573 00:34:24,395 --> 00:34:26,874 Federal authorities searched the Feazells' Waco home 574 00:34:26,898 --> 00:34:28,148 for much of the day. 575 00:34:28,232 --> 00:34:32,152 No one knows for sure what the authorities were looking for or what they found. 576 00:34:32,820 --> 00:34:34,740 They opened all our cereal boxes, 577 00:34:34,822 --> 00:34:37,452 they unwrapped everything in the freezer. 578 00:34:37,533 --> 00:34:40,293 They went through my wife's underwear. 579 00:34:40,369 --> 00:34:42,869 I-I-I haven't even counted them all. They're everywhere. 580 00:34:42,955 --> 00:34:44,705 They're in every room. They've... 581 00:34:45,541 --> 00:34:47,131 They've tagged my snail bait. 582 00:34:48,002 --> 00:34:50,672 They searched all my little boy's toys. 583 00:34:51,005 --> 00:34:54,965 That's when they took the toy syringe out of my son's doctor kit 584 00:34:55,051 --> 00:34:57,391 and labeled that narcotics paraphernalia. 585 00:35:00,556 --> 00:35:02,242 A US district judge 586 00:35:02,266 --> 00:35:05,226 set a $100,000 personal recognizance bond for Feazell 587 00:35:05,311 --> 00:35:06,311 and released him. 588 00:35:08,314 --> 00:35:09,694 Are you mad, Vic? 589 00:35:09,774 --> 00:35:10,984 No, I'm not mad. 590 00:35:11,067 --> 00:35:14,197 I'm disappointed these people with an axe to grind 591 00:35:14,278 --> 00:35:18,118 could use the American justice system to do something like this. 592 00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:21,409 I-I've never seen anything like it. I believe it's retaliation. 593 00:35:23,454 --> 00:35:25,964 There's absolutely no relationship whatsoever 594 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,290 between the Lucas investigation 595 00:35:28,376 --> 00:35:30,836 and our initiation of this investigation. 596 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,590 The indictment speaks for itself 597 00:35:32,672 --> 00:35:35,172 in alleging that he's operated his office, uh, 598 00:35:35,258 --> 00:35:37,218 in the manner of a criminal enterprise. 599 00:35:37,301 --> 00:35:39,641 That's the indictment speaking, not me. 600 00:35:41,973 --> 00:35:44,103 I was looking at 80 years in prison. 601 00:35:44,350 --> 00:35:47,730 People I had sent to prison for murder 602 00:35:48,563 --> 00:35:50,233 would have been out before me. 603 00:36:05,246 --> 00:36:07,956 The stage is set in Austin, where the whole story 604 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,670 of Feazell's tenure in office should finally unfold. 605 00:36:10,751 --> 00:36:13,171 Feazell has said the indictment was retaliation 606 00:36:13,254 --> 00:36:15,424 following his grand jury investigation 607 00:36:15,506 --> 00:36:19,006 which questioned confessions by convicted murderer Henry Lee Lucas, 608 00:36:19,093 --> 00:36:21,263 and that will be the core of his defense. 609 00:36:21,971 --> 00:36:24,771 During pre-trial hearings, US District Judge James Allen 610 00:36:24,849 --> 00:36:27,479 said he found no connection between the Lucas investigation 611 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,730 and the federal investigation of Feazell. 612 00:36:30,354 --> 00:36:33,524 Judge told me, "I don't want to hear the name Henry Lucas 613 00:36:33,608 --> 00:36:36,648 one time during this trial. Do you understand me?" 614 00:36:37,195 --> 00:36:39,155 And I said, "Yes, sir, I understand you." 615 00:36:39,238 --> 00:36:41,488 I brought up Henry in my opening statement. 616 00:36:44,118 --> 00:36:47,181 During opening arguments today, prosecutor Jack Frels told the court 617 00:36:47,205 --> 00:36:49,995 it would see an unsavory side of the legal system. 618 00:36:50,082 --> 00:36:53,002 The whole centerpiece of the case is the... is the bribery racketeering, 619 00:36:53,085 --> 00:36:56,665 taking money to, uh... to favorably handle cases. 620 00:36:57,048 --> 00:37:00,888 It was alleged that Feazell was soliciting those bribes 621 00:37:00,968 --> 00:37:04,638 through just a very small group of lawyers that he trusted. 622 00:37:05,223 --> 00:37:08,893 Attorney Dick Clark testified that he paid District Attorney Vic Feazell 623 00:37:08,976 --> 00:37:10,186 several thousand dollars 624 00:37:10,269 --> 00:37:13,859 in exchange for favorable handling of several DWI cases. 625 00:37:13,940 --> 00:37:16,543 The Waco attorney Ron Voutti testified he gave Feazell 626 00:37:16,567 --> 00:37:18,687 more than $9,000 in cash. 627 00:37:18,778 --> 00:37:20,839 The attorneys Dick Kettler and Don Hall 628 00:37:20,863 --> 00:37:23,663 have been described as being inside the inner circle of greed 629 00:37:23,741 --> 00:37:25,451 that revolved around Vic Feazell. 630 00:37:25,534 --> 00:37:27,504 Prosecutor Jack Frels asked, 631 00:37:27,578 --> 00:37:30,208 "Did you make a record of money paid to Mr. Feazell?" 632 00:37:30,539 --> 00:37:34,499 Don Hall testified that he kept copies of the envelopes 633 00:37:34,585 --> 00:37:37,835 that marked the date and the amount 634 00:37:37,922 --> 00:37:39,592 provided to Vic Feazell. 635 00:37:41,842 --> 00:37:43,302 They pressured those men. 636 00:37:43,386 --> 00:37:45,426 "You're gonna give us something on Vic Feazell 637 00:37:45,513 --> 00:37:48,523 or we're gonna go after your taxes. We'll go after you." 638 00:37:48,975 --> 00:37:51,845 Feazell says that you're lying to get out of tax trouble. 639 00:37:51,936 --> 00:37:54,976 He's not gonna say anything right now. We need to finish this trial. 640 00:37:55,022 --> 00:37:56,612 Please let us go on with our business. 641 00:37:56,691 --> 00:37:59,691 We're not gonna handle press conferences like Gary Richardson 642 00:37:59,777 --> 00:38:02,527 and... and Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker and all that business. 643 00:38:04,949 --> 00:38:06,369 The pressure was incredible. 644 00:38:08,077 --> 00:38:11,497 The feds were trying to bring in every lawyer in this town 645 00:38:11,580 --> 00:38:13,960 to roll over on the district attorney. 646 00:38:14,583 --> 00:38:16,383 I mean, I-I was... I was terrified. 647 00:38:16,460 --> 00:38:18,340 I was afraid I was gonna be indicted. 648 00:38:18,421 --> 00:38:22,931 They had me staring at two FBI agents and an IRS agent threatening me. 649 00:38:23,009 --> 00:38:26,179 Feazell never asked me for any money. 650 00:38:26,637 --> 00:38:29,677 The investigators didn't appear to care. 651 00:38:31,434 --> 00:38:34,274 The investigators and I were confident, 652 00:38:34,353 --> 00:38:35,913 but we knew there were some challenges. 653 00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:40,570 I would think, "Okay, if it's between Feazell's personality, 654 00:38:41,152 --> 00:38:44,072 his charisma, his charm, and me, 655 00:38:45,531 --> 00:38:47,451 I'm gonna get my rear end whipped." 656 00:38:48,701 --> 00:38:50,451 The trial lasted five weeks. 657 00:38:51,787 --> 00:38:55,367 They called 65 or 70 witnesses. 658 00:38:56,292 --> 00:38:58,792 And then the government rested. 659 00:39:00,296 --> 00:39:02,336 The jury in Feazell's racketeering trial 660 00:39:02,423 --> 00:39:03,973 deliberated about six hours 661 00:39:04,425 --> 00:39:05,885 before returning the verdict. 662 00:39:10,639 --> 00:39:13,889 Vic Feazell was found not guilty by a federal jury in Austin 663 00:39:13,976 --> 00:39:16,516 of charges he accepted bribes from Waco attorneys. 664 00:39:17,063 --> 00:39:19,193 The smoke has cleared, the dust has settled, 665 00:39:19,273 --> 00:39:21,823 and I'm still standing, and I'm going back to Waco. 666 00:39:24,070 --> 00:39:26,870 Prosecutor Jack Frels said he was surprised by the verdict. 667 00:39:26,947 --> 00:39:28,277 This is a failure, 668 00:39:28,741 --> 00:39:31,621 and I'm gonna have to live with it, and, uh... and go on. 669 00:39:35,623 --> 00:39:37,463 Vic Feazell was correct. 670 00:39:37,708 --> 00:39:39,538 There were some real flaws, 671 00:39:39,752 --> 00:39:43,802 as everybody now knows, in the Henry Lee Lucas investigation. 672 00:39:44,215 --> 00:39:47,295 But the theme of their defense, that it was for revenge, 673 00:39:47,802 --> 00:39:49,012 that's completely false. 674 00:39:49,804 --> 00:39:52,741 Has this, uh, damaged your political career at all, do you feel? 675 00:39:52,765 --> 00:39:54,765 I don't know if I want a political career. 676 00:39:54,850 --> 00:39:57,020 We'll wait and see later on down the line. 677 00:39:59,438 --> 00:40:01,398 Remember this? 678 00:40:01,482 --> 00:40:03,001 - Well, now it's all right. - All right! 679 00:40:19,542 --> 00:40:21,792 After Lucas recanted, 680 00:40:22,336 --> 00:40:25,626 and we told him we want to go ahead and continue with the task force, 681 00:40:26,090 --> 00:40:29,510 he said, "Well we can, but, you know, I really didn't kill anybody." 682 00:40:31,262 --> 00:40:33,682 And I said, "Well, no use to us continuing then." 683 00:40:35,683 --> 00:40:37,733 You know, he... he's not gonna talk to the officers 684 00:40:37,810 --> 00:40:38,890 that are coming to see him, 685 00:40:38,936 --> 00:40:41,766 so, after that, he was taken on to the penitentiary. 686 00:40:54,535 --> 00:40:58,455 Lucas had 11 homicide convictions, 687 00:40:58,873 --> 00:41:00,253 a 60-year term, 688 00:41:00,708 --> 00:41:04,168 two 75-year terms, the rest were life terms, 689 00:41:05,713 --> 00:41:07,883 and, um, one death sentence. 690 00:41:10,634 --> 00:41:12,094 I'm not a mass murderer. 691 00:41:12,178 --> 00:41:15,138 I did not kill the people that they say I killed. 692 00:41:15,848 --> 00:41:18,848 And no matter when or if I die, 693 00:41:19,685 --> 00:41:20,685 you know, 694 00:41:20,978 --> 00:41:23,938 I somehow will prove it to the public. 695 00:41:24,523 --> 00:41:27,743 You know, I might say I wouldn't do it from the grave, 696 00:41:27,818 --> 00:41:28,898 but I'm gonna do it. 697 00:41:40,956 --> 00:41:42,826 I wanted to sue the Rangers. 698 00:41:44,126 --> 00:41:46,246 I wanted to sue the FBI. 699 00:41:48,047 --> 00:41:52,257 But when I did my research, I realized they all had governmental immunity. 700 00:41:52,510 --> 00:41:56,680 The only ones I could really sue were Charles Duncan and Channel 8 701 00:41:57,181 --> 00:41:58,181 for libel. 702 00:42:02,353 --> 00:42:05,983 In my criminal case, I had no access to their files, 703 00:42:06,315 --> 00:42:08,525 to their documents, to what they had been up to, 704 00:42:08,609 --> 00:42:11,989 but after I was found not guilty and we started the civil case, 705 00:42:12,321 --> 00:42:13,991 we got to issue subpoenas. 706 00:42:21,956 --> 00:42:23,666 We took depositions. 707 00:42:25,209 --> 00:42:27,549 We did Freedom of Information requests. 708 00:42:28,837 --> 00:42:31,757 We got a massive amount of video from Channel 8. 709 00:42:34,260 --> 00:42:36,760 And then we were able to connect the dots. 710 00:42:39,473 --> 00:42:43,443 It all started when we got Henry away from the task force. 711 00:42:45,271 --> 00:42:48,021 That night, they had a meeting in Boutwell's office. 712 00:42:50,067 --> 00:42:52,607 Present was the assistant US attorney, 713 00:42:52,945 --> 00:42:54,275 an FBI agent, 714 00:42:55,531 --> 00:42:58,331 and DPS officer Ron Boyter, 715 00:42:58,409 --> 00:43:00,539 Jim Adams' right-hand man. 716 00:43:04,081 --> 00:43:06,881 A few weeks later at the Ramada Inn, 717 00:43:07,376 --> 00:43:10,706 Boyter met with Charles Duncan from Channel 8. 718 00:43:12,965 --> 00:43:16,965 He gave Duncan the stack of allegations against me, 719 00:43:17,761 --> 00:43:22,271 which later became the basis for Duncan's episodes. 720 00:43:23,017 --> 00:43:24,297 Because the district attorney... 721 00:43:24,351 --> 00:43:27,811 I had Charles Duncan on the stand for 11 days. 722 00:43:29,565 --> 00:43:34,275 What we learned was that Ron Boyter fed him all this information 723 00:43:34,737 --> 00:43:37,197 about Vic that wasn't true. 724 00:43:38,782 --> 00:43:41,872 Then Boyter plays Duncan's episodes 725 00:43:42,202 --> 00:43:43,872 to a federal grand jury. 726 00:43:45,831 --> 00:43:48,881 They heard no witnesses, they saw no documents. 727 00:43:48,959 --> 00:43:51,749 All they did was watch the Channel 8 reports, 728 00:43:52,713 --> 00:43:56,263 and they indicted me based only on those tapes. 729 00:43:57,926 --> 00:44:00,546 I was looking at 80 years. 730 00:44:04,224 --> 00:44:07,564 Who would have had the power to orchestrate that 731 00:44:07,645 --> 00:44:08,935 with Channel 8? 732 00:44:10,189 --> 00:44:11,899 Who would have had the power 733 00:44:11,982 --> 00:44:16,282 to have the IRS start investigating every criminal defense lawyer in town? 734 00:44:19,782 --> 00:44:20,782 Jim Adams, 735 00:44:21,575 --> 00:44:23,325 head of the Texas Rangers. 736 00:44:32,544 --> 00:44:35,054 We proved Charles Duncan and Channel 8 737 00:44:35,464 --> 00:44:39,474 had lied, lied, lied, lied... 738 00:44:40,469 --> 00:44:42,599 and had done it with malice. 739 00:44:46,850 --> 00:44:49,480 Jury brought in a 58-million-dollar verdict. 740 00:44:49,561 --> 00:44:53,231 It was the largest in US history for a libel case. 741 00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:57,280 And it's in The Guinness Book of Records. 742 00:45:20,926 --> 00:45:22,796 My political career was over. 743 00:45:24,346 --> 00:45:25,806 I didn't want any part of it. 744 00:45:28,183 --> 00:45:31,103 And I resigned before the end of my term. 745 00:45:35,941 --> 00:45:40,071 There are still people that say, "Oh, well, he just had a good lawyer." 746 00:45:40,571 --> 00:45:42,161 Or, "He's a good liar." 747 00:45:49,872 --> 00:45:52,712 It totally destroyed the world I lived in. 748 00:45:54,835 --> 00:45:56,745 My marriage ended in divorce 749 00:45:57,254 --> 00:45:58,674 and my little boys had... 750 00:45:59,423 --> 00:46:01,053 had a lot of trouble after that. 751 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:02,800 It wasn't right. 752 00:46:08,474 --> 00:46:10,564 People still thought I was a crook. 753 00:46:12,102 --> 00:46:14,862 They still thought Henry Lucas was a serial killer. 754 00:46:18,650 --> 00:46:20,320 And then something happened 755 00:46:20,402 --> 00:46:21,742 that made me believe 756 00:46:21,987 --> 00:46:24,107 I was gonna be able to turn it all around. 757 00:46:28,535 --> 00:46:31,905 Well, I was shocked to find out I was dead. 758 00:46:32,831 --> 00:46:33,921 Becky Powell, 759 00:46:34,291 --> 00:46:37,461 his girlfriend who he'd supposedly killed, 760 00:46:38,545 --> 00:46:39,545 and here she was, 761 00:46:40,172 --> 00:46:41,302 back from the dead. 762 00:46:42,174 --> 00:46:43,934 He did not cut me up... 763 00:46:45,177 --> 00:46:48,217 and throw me... throw my body parts everywhere. 61916

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