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On the Dallas homicide squad,
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there is a detective
who will not be denied.
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A super sleuth
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who turns cold trails
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into criminal convictions.
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Twenty-seven-year veteran Linda Erwin
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has put more killers in jail
in two decades
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than any pulp fiction gumshoe.
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In one four-year period,
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she solved a remarkable 94% of her cases.
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I was the first woman
in the homicide unit
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in the Dallas Police Department.
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We made arrangements to go down
to Georgetown to talk to Henry Lucas.
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I was told to bring him a carton
of Pall Mall cigarettes,
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and he'd... he would...
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he'd tell me what I wanted to know.
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When I went down there,
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he had drawn this picture,
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said that this was a woman
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that he had murdered
in the city of Dallas.
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Here's another one.
He had drawn this little picture.
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Made these little notes.
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She was redheaded, medium complexion.
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His name was on the thing...
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And then I just let him talk.
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I think he told me about ten.
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Ten murders.
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He just... He just talked.
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Home was in Shreveport,
which it's not no more.
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I knew...
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that anything and everything
he was telling me
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didn't match up
with any unsolved murders that we had.
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When I got back to Dallas,
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I told my supervisors
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I didn't think that Henry Lucas
had committed any murders
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in the city of Dallas.
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They said, "Just put together a case file,
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make up some bogus forensic reports,
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bogus crime scene photographs,
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just a totally bogus murder file,
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and see if he will admit to this."
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I did not tell the Rangers
that it was a bogus case.
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And I felt very uncomfortable about that,
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but, um...
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we did it.
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Went and talked to him again.
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I kind of left the case file out
on the desk,
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kind of laid some pictures out there
so he could see 'em.
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And then he described how he did it,
how he broke into the house,
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how he stabbed the woman,
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how he took her out and dumped her body,
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everything.
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Drain pipe,
the way that the body was put in.
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I took and buried the body after which...
And the body was never buried out there.
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I just knew he was lying.
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I knew he was lying.
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I told my supervisors,
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"This is all gonna come crashing down."
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Henry Lee Lucas says
he has killed 360 people.
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First he said 100 victims.
Then 300. Then 600.
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Easily making him
the country's most prolific
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serial murderer.
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Lucas was confessing
to any unsolved murder
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the Texas Rangers put before him.
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I was a person
beyond any criminal there ever was.
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And he would have even confessed
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to the Lindbergh baby's death
if he had known anything about it.
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Do you know
how many people you've killed?
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Well, I'm gonna stick with 360
right now until I'm definitely sure of it.
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But I know it's gonna be
way higher than that.
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♪ These are tales of Texas Rangers ♪
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♪ A band of sturdy men ♪
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♪ Always on the side of justice ♪
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I would describe the Rangers
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as American as baseball and apple pie.
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And they were just...
They were everybody's hero.
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They were my hero.
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Since 1835,
these men have captured thieves,
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forgers, cattle rustlers, and murderers.
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Riding along...
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Texas Rangers are part
of the Texas Department of Public Safety.
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When I'd get new Rangers in, I'd tell 'em,
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"There's probably not anything you can do
to enhance the reputation of the Rangers,
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and don't do anything to tarnish
the reputation of the Rangers.
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You're a Ranger 24 hours a day."
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♪ To enforce the law for you ♪
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And they were always the good guys,
you know?
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I wa... I wanted to be
one of the good guys, too.
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I thought I might can be a ranger someday.
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I grew up the son of a Baptist preacher,
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and I was ordained as a minister
when I was 18 years old.
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Later, I worked right out of high school
at the Austin Police Department.
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My sergeant told me, he said,
"Feazell, get your butt in college."
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And when I graduated,
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I started practicing law
basically out of the trunk of my car.
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Until I decided
to run for district attorney.
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I will continue to stand
for the young people...
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And I think most of the people
in this state...
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I was elected at age 32,
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the youngest district attorney
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in McLennan County since 100 years ago.
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We ran a good office.
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We had the highest felony conviction rate
in the state of Texas
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for counties over 100,000.
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I eventually either wanted
to run for Governor
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or United States Congress.
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Feazell was charming, charismatic,
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and he was popular. He was a popular DA.
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He was a Bill Clinton
before Bill Clinton.
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- I don't think so.
- Feazell was very ambitious.
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Probably one of the most dangerous places
in town
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would be between him and a...
and a TV camera.
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I would see on TV
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Texas DAs with Henry Lucas
pleading guilty to cases.
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And, uh, I wanted my photo-op. I did.
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It was good publicity
for a district attorney
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that wanted to get reelected.
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The Rangers had Henry ready
to come to Waco and plead guilty
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to three crimes in McLennan County.
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But I had suspicions
about Henry's confessions.
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The confessions sounded funny to me.
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Then I started looking behind the curtain.
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When we typed in "Henry Lee Lucas"
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into the computer
for the national criminal records...
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Someone did not want
other law-enforcement people
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to know where Henry was
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on certain dates.
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It was a wake-up call.
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I think that Feazell
was willing to put himself on the line,
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like few other district attorneys
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would have done at that time.
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And I admired that.
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And I told him I'd help him
any way I could.
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When Hugh Aynesworth
sat down with us
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and showed us
what he was going to publish,
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and started laying out these dates
and these murders side by side...
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I realized that this whole situation
was bigger
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than I ever thought it was.
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There was a great bit
of anticipation
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about the articles from the editors.
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Texas Rangers were renowned
and adored by many people.
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We knew that we were taking that on.
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The editors once or twice
over those months said,
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"Are you sure?"
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When Hugh Aynesworth's article
came out,
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man, did it make a splash.
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That started the fire. It really did.
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My lieutenant called me,
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and he said,
"Have you seen the morning paper?"
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And I said, "No, I have not."
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"Well, go out and get it."
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There's a huge front-page story.
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The Rangers were upset
because it cast criticism on them.
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But everybody
in the Dallas Police Department was elated
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that we had done what we had done.
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Hugh Aynesworth
is reporting his investigation
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to raise questions
about Lucas's confessions.
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We found scores of cases
where, physically,
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uh, Mr. Lucas
just could not have been there.
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We got ahold of some of the confessions
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and they're the most ludicrous things
you could imagine.
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If all this, uh, is true, uh,
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he could not have been
in these places, uh,
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some 197 cases were closed
that should still be open.
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Murderers still in the street,
families, uh...
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uh, looking on bewildered
as to what's going on.
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It really is a bizarre situation.
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Word got out
that we made a bogus Dallas case
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that he had confessed to.
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I'm sure the Texas Rangers
did not like me,
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and I... I don't like to speak badly
of brother officers,
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I just don't,
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but... but some...
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but some detectives or... or investigators
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try so hard for something to happen
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and they want so hard
for something to happen,
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that they can't see the forest
for the trees.
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Sheriff Boutwell
and the Rangers
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say Aynesworth got his facts wrong.
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Well, the information that Aynesworth has
is probably old,
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inaccurate, incomplete information.
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Uh, some of these murders
that have been confirmed
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uh, might show
within the month in question.
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Actually, that was the month
that the body was discovered,
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but the murder may have happened
months and months earlier.
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You know, no one likes
to have their name and...
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agency smeared,
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and that's what Aynesworth
obviously was trying to do.
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Aynesworth had taken advantage
of Boutwell's kindness,
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let him come in and interview Lucas
and have access to him, and then...
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then him...
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turn on us, uh,
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and show that he was
very, very anti-law enforcement and, uh...
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uh, tried to show us in the worst light.
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Today in Austin,
the state's Director of Public Safety
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denied reports that his office has bungled
the case of the confessed murderer.
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And I feel very comfortable
and very confident
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in the fact
that the task force has operated
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within the charter
it was originally given.
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He said
that in more than 100 cases,
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Lucas led officers to the scene
without any guidance from them.
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What I haven't seen is,
I haven't seen any wholesale
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conspiracy to just write off
a bunch of killings
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as having been, uh, committed,
uh, by Lucas.
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I had decided, uh, the best way
to get to the bottom of this
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was to impanel a grand jury
specifically for Henry Lee Lucas,
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and let us figure out how it was
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that he had confessed
to three cases in our county,
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that, to us, obviously,
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he had not done.
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We got a warrant
to take Henry away from the Rangers
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and to bring him to our jurisdiction
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to testify before our grand jury.
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And our sheriff drove to Georgetown
to get Henry and bring him back.
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It was like an old Texas standoff there
for a while.
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They weren't gonna let him go.
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Yes, that was a big...
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major upset.
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I was having a Bible study,
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and the jailer came up and said,
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"Sister Clemmie,
they are taking Henry to Waco."
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Sheriff Boutwell said, "Who ever heard
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of an investigator from Waco, Texas
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coming and taking my prisoner away?
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Who gave him that power?"
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I definitely saw frustration
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on the part of Boutwell
and the task force.
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I think they all believed
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that they were involved
in something extraordinary.
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I think Feazell's goal was to...
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demolish the task force.
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Sheriff Boutwell said to me,
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"Vic will wish he never heard
the name Henry Lee Lucas."
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And so, the war was on.
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After Clemmie had seen Henry
in the Waco jail,
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she called me
and she was very, very upset.
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She thought he was suicidal.
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Uh, he was speaking in a monotone,
he was very confused.
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She kept saying he's...
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"He ate a sandwich with tomatoes,
and he hates tomatoes.
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Something is really wrong."
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And he was crying, and I saw him,
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and I started crying.
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He kept repeating things like,
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um...
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"I thought I killed people,
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but maybe I didn't. Did I?"
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Clemmie was telling me that...
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Vic Feazell was keeping Henry
for hours at a time
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and quoting scripture to him,
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and was telling him that this was
the most important moment in his life,
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and that God was telling him
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he needed to make this transition
and finally tell the truth.
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The atmosphere around the courthouse
was like a circus.
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There were cameras everywhere,
media people everywhere.
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A special grand jury
met in Waco, Texas today
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to hear the story
of a self-described mass murderer.
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The question they want answered:
Is he really?
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When Henry Lee Lucas
walked into his first session
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with the McLennan County grand jury,
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he started
officially telling a different story
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than he has been telling
over the past two years.
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My client, Henry Lee Lucas,
now would like to make a statement.
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Henry.
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Yes, I'd like to state
that I haven't done these crimes.
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Lucas, the most publicized
convict alive,
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said officers in Texas
and across the country
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made it easy for him to confess
by feeding him information.
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Those are people
that wanted cases cleared,
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and they'll show you pictures
of that crime,
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they'll take and give you
all the information of the crime,
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and all you have to do is stand there
and say, "Yeah, I did it,"
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and they've been cleared that way.
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This is what...
This is what's got to stop.
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After saying you committed
so many murders,
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what made you decide to say
you didn't commit them?
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Well, when you see the hurt
that you're causing to people
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by accepting these crimes...
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And all these crimes,
somebody had to kill these people.
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That's leaving murderers
out there on the street.
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And I can't... I just can't do that.
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Henry Lee Lucas now admits
he's not just a killer, he's also a liar.
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He has confessed
to more than 600 killings.
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Now, he says
those confessions were a hoax.
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Henry Lee Lucas now says he did not kill
hundreds of people, only his mother.
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Instead, he says
law enforcement officers
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helped him confess to unsolved murders.
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As the testimony went on,
Attorney General Mattox indicated
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Lucas has been giving information
to the grand jury
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that placed the confessed killer
thousands of miles away
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from the scenes of crimes
police have attributed to him.
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Attorney General Mattox got mad.
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I mean, Mattox hit the roof.
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He put the power of his organization
behind our grand jury.
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Does this concern you, uh,
as far as, uh,
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law enforcement officials
overanxious to believe this man?
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Uh, I would hope that there's been
no inappropriate activity,
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but... but we don't know yet.
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Our purpose is not, here,
to investigate the task force.
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Our purpose is to try to determine
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whether or not, uh, Henry Lucas
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committed some of these crimes
here in McLennan County.
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But the Rangers say...
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All right, Mr. Lucas,
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as you say,
over the last two years, you have...
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said that you committed some 600 murders.
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I have...
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been admitting to crimes
that I haven't committed.
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Police say that you drew detailed sketches
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of the people
you were supposed to have murdered,
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and you took them to locations.
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Is this true?
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I di... I have never
took anybody to locations.
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They have took me to locations.
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I don't drive the car
and I don't tell 'em which way to go.
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If Lucas would kill his own mother,
I think it...
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is not a surprise that he'd lie to you.
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It didn't... It didn't surprise me one bit
that he would recant.
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That's about the only normal thing
I saw him do.
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He just wanted to please.
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He wanted to please law enforcement,
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and he thought taking all these cases
would make him a friend.
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And then, when they got Henry away
from law enforcement,
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then he...
I mean, he flipped just like that. He...
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Like I say, he...
He's gonna dance with whoever brought him.
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The Texas Rangers
have not taken kindly
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to recent allegations
that they did some sloppy police work.
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The task force has nothing
to apologize or be...
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uh, to be embarrassed about.
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I do feel very definite, without a doubt,
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that he is involved
in an extremely large number of homicides.
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From the very beginning,
he's furnished, uh,
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reliable and unreliable information.
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Uh, the one thing that, uh,
the task force feels comfortable with,
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uh, is the fact that, uh...
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uh, any statement he may now be making
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that he only killed three people...
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That assertion is just patently false.
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I think he's... he's being responsive
to our questions.
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He is. He's being cooperative.
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- In terms...
- Is he being truthful?
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You'll have to ask the good lord
that question.
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Well, you have been quoted as saying
that as long as you kept confessing,
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you wouldn't be sent to the penitentiary
to be executed.
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Did someone tell you that?
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I've been told that by the Rangers,
I've been told that by the sheriff.
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Bob Prince always said to me,
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before this even happened,
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that there would come a day
when Henry would decide he didn't...
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didn't want to do this anymore
and he would change his mind.
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And the reason he would do that was
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because he would realize
that he was gonna have to be put to death.
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Uh, maybe, uh, he's beginning to see
that, uh...
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the pace is picking up a little bit
down in Huntsville
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on... on executions.
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00:21:11,395 --> 00:21:13,895
Authorities in California
have doubts about murders
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Lucas claims to have committed there.
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00:21:15,983 --> 00:21:18,783
Arlington police say
they are going to re-examine
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two cases Lucas confessed to last year.
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District Attorney Darnell
is asking a judge
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to dismiss the Lubbock cases
against Lucas.
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We do not feel
that we have sufficient evidence
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to prove that he was responsible
for the death of Debra Sue Williamson.
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Lubbock PD said
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that they had reopened her case
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and were working on it.
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We went to Waco to the grand jury.
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It felt good to be able to tell our story
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and not be ridiculed for it.
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And it was very encouraging
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to hear Henry tell his story,
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that he did not have anything to do
with Debbie's murder.
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Well, I didn't have a hard time
finding her house.
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Why not?
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Because he took me right to it.
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And I says, uh, "There was a car parked
in the carport at the time,"
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which the picture shows the body
laying there beside the car, you know?
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- So they showed you photographs?
- Yeah. And so...
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This is before you actually
had confirmed anything,
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they showed you photographs?
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Yeah. I'd already seen photographs,
you know.
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And plus, they was sitting at the house,
they're showing me photographs too.
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The special grand jury
convened Thursday
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at McLennan County Courthouse in Waco.
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What was supposed to be
an inquiry
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into whether Henry Lee Lucas
killed two people near Waco
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has turned into an investigation
of how those confessions were obtained.
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00:22:59,127 --> 00:23:01,797
Henry started telling us
that it was the Rangers
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that had let him look at photographs,
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00:23:04,633 --> 00:23:06,893
let him read the police reports.
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00:23:08,970 --> 00:23:12,770
Boutwell and Prince
testified before the grand jury.
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They just stuck to the company line,
that Henry really was a mass murderer,
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00:23:18,647 --> 00:23:21,977
and you might find a few
that he didn't commit,
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but that's not our fault.
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00:23:24,945 --> 00:23:28,025
Now that special Texas Ranger
task force has come under fire,
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specifically by McLennan County
District Attorney Vic Feazell,
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who said the team
may have acted improperly
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in eliciting what may be false confessions
from Lucas.
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00:23:36,540 --> 00:23:39,580
Uh, they don't seem to be concerned
at this point in time
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with whether or not
he's confessed to crimes he didn't commit.
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00:23:42,671 --> 00:23:43,711
Whoa.
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00:23:43,797 --> 00:23:48,717
That statement kind of sealed my fate
that they would never quit hounding me.
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00:23:51,847 --> 00:23:55,927
Vic Feazell didn't seem
to be bothered about,
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00:23:56,017 --> 00:23:58,517
in effect, coming out
against law enforcement,
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00:23:58,603 --> 00:24:04,073
which is not generally something
that a district attorney usually does.
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00:24:05,777 --> 00:24:09,067
The DA had an axe to grind
with the Rangers,
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00:24:09,781 --> 00:24:11,951
and I believe that
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00:24:12,617 --> 00:24:16,907
the sole purpose of that
was to give the Rangers a black eye.
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00:24:19,082 --> 00:24:23,002
Feazell was stating
they were looking into the unethical
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00:24:23,086 --> 00:24:25,546
conduct of the... the task force.
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00:24:26,715 --> 00:24:29,885
That we were intentionally feeding
Lucas information.
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I think that puts him on a...
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00:24:32,345 --> 00:24:36,015
uh, the same level, in my view, than...
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a lot of people I put in penitentiary
for different crimes.
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00:24:42,397 --> 00:24:43,727
I had no choice
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00:24:44,191 --> 00:24:46,991
but to go against that thin blue line.
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00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:49,110
I had no choice but to...
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00:24:49,779 --> 00:24:52,619
violate the law enforcement brotherhood.
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00:24:54,659 --> 00:24:57,289
It just wasn't right
what was going on with Henry.
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00:24:57,746 --> 00:24:59,246
I couldn't let it go.
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00:25:09,007 --> 00:25:11,337
I went to visit Colonel Jim Adams,
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head of the DPS,
head of the Texas Rangers.
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00:25:15,263 --> 00:25:17,473
And I told him, I said, "If you'll just...
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fix this, just tell me
you'll make an effort to fix this,
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00:25:21,853 --> 00:25:22,983
I'll back off."
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00:25:23,688 --> 00:25:25,438
Jim Adams looked at me,
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00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:30,529
and he said,
"We're not reopening a single Lucas case,
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00:25:31,238 --> 00:25:33,698
but I am investigating you."
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00:25:56,346 --> 00:25:58,266
Right after I met with Adams,
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00:25:58,932 --> 00:26:00,892
this reporter, Charles Duncan,
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00:26:01,434 --> 00:26:02,814
showed up in Waco.
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00:26:10,819 --> 00:26:13,699
Channel 8's Charles Duncan
has the first of a series of reports
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00:26:13,780 --> 00:26:15,410
on the controversial DA.
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00:26:15,490 --> 00:26:17,030
Reports of large payments made...
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00:26:17,117 --> 00:26:20,997
He accused me of taking bribes
to dismiss DWIs.
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00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:25,209
...cases dropped after paying
about $3,000 to lax prosecution...
437
00:26:25,292 --> 00:26:28,342
He accused me of being involved
in drug rings.
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00:26:29,004 --> 00:26:30,514
...calls the district attorney...
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00:26:30,589 --> 00:26:32,969
He accused me
of not prosecuting people
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00:26:33,049 --> 00:26:35,339
who had assaulted police officers.
441
00:26:35,927 --> 00:26:38,007
A Waco woman
told Channel 8 News she...
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00:26:38,096 --> 00:26:42,476
He accused me of taking money
to recommend parole for people.
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00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:44,939
...it would cost us $2,000.
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00:26:45,020 --> 00:26:47,060
Feazell said he was currently...
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00:26:47,147 --> 00:26:49,607
Eleven episodes
over a three-month period.
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00:26:51,610 --> 00:26:53,900
Charles Duncan, Channel 8 News.
447
00:26:59,409 --> 00:27:03,159
Just when we thought we were going
to be able to focus on the Rangers,
448
00:27:03,496 --> 00:27:05,866
the plug got pulled on our grand jury.
449
00:27:08,084 --> 00:27:13,304
And Boutwell took Henry
back to the Georgetown jail.
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00:27:16,343 --> 00:27:18,643
"We're getting things
back to business as usual."
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00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,350
That's what he said to me
when he took Henry away.
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00:27:22,891 --> 00:27:27,601
And I said, "You mean get back
to having Henry confess to more murders?"
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00:27:27,687 --> 00:27:30,727
He said, "Yeah!
Get back to business as usual."
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00:27:34,611 --> 00:27:39,621
Sheriff Boutwell talked very little
to me about Vic.
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00:27:39,699 --> 00:27:42,489
But every time he would say anything,
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00:27:42,577 --> 00:27:45,077
it would be with an ugly remark, like
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00:27:45,747 --> 00:27:47,327
"His day is coming."
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00:27:47,666 --> 00:27:49,416
"His time is limited."
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00:27:56,341 --> 00:27:57,471
This is it, fellas.
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00:28:17,278 --> 00:28:20,908
Did you have the feeling
that, uh, District Attorney Feazell
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00:28:20,990 --> 00:28:23,870
was trying to embarrass you
or the Rangers?
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00:28:24,327 --> 00:28:26,577
Well, I would have to say that...
463
00:28:27,580 --> 00:28:30,580
while the grand jury
was proceeding in Waco,
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00:28:31,292 --> 00:28:34,252
there were some public statements made
that were critical
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00:28:34,337 --> 00:28:35,837
of the Texas Rangers.
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00:28:35,922 --> 00:28:37,302
For instance, uh...
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00:28:37,716 --> 00:28:39,876
whether the Rangers had deliberately
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00:28:40,218 --> 00:28:42,138
fed information to Lucas
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00:28:42,220 --> 00:28:45,140
in order to, uh, clear murders.
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00:28:45,598 --> 00:28:48,388
There was no basis in fact
for such statements.
471
00:28:49,936 --> 00:28:53,566
I worked directly for Jim Adams.
Reported straight to him.
472
00:28:53,982 --> 00:28:55,862
Very intelligent person,
473
00:28:56,109 --> 00:28:58,069
Uh, good sense of humor.
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00:28:58,820 --> 00:29:01,450
Adams had chased Russian spies,
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00:29:01,531 --> 00:29:03,071
spoke fluent Japanese,
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00:29:03,283 --> 00:29:07,043
and really helped
to modernize the Texas Rangers.
477
00:29:08,329 --> 00:29:09,709
But before then,
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00:29:09,789 --> 00:29:13,499
he had been the number two
in charge of the FBI.
479
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,720
This was the FBI's day
before the Senate Intelligence Committee.
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00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:22,719
Associate Deputy FBI Director James Adams
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00:29:22,802 --> 00:29:26,392
conceded there had been abuses
of constitutional rights.
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00:29:26,473 --> 00:29:30,393
J. Edgar Hoover
approved a wide variety of tactics,
483
00:29:30,477 --> 00:29:32,767
which included break-ins, wiretaps,
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00:29:32,854 --> 00:29:34,904
dissemination of false information.
485
00:29:35,607 --> 00:29:37,147
Everything that you did...
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00:29:37,984 --> 00:29:40,824
sought to silence somebody
487
00:29:40,904 --> 00:29:43,494
or frighten somebody into silence.
Now someone...
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00:29:43,573 --> 00:29:47,373
The same dirty tricks that he used
working under J. Edgar Hoover,
489
00:29:47,869 --> 00:29:52,419
he could now bring in his FBI buddies
and use them on me.
490
00:29:54,083 --> 00:29:56,003
Vic Feazell
and his wife, Bernie,
491
00:29:56,085 --> 00:29:58,415
say there was evidence
of an illegal wiretap
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00:29:58,505 --> 00:30:00,715
at the telephone lines behind their house.
493
00:30:01,257 --> 00:30:04,217
And Mrs. Feazell says
she surprised a man back there,
494
00:30:04,302 --> 00:30:06,052
who ran into a drainage tunnel.
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00:30:06,304 --> 00:30:07,854
A man she recognized.
496
00:30:08,223 --> 00:30:10,773
She had recognized him as one of the men
497
00:30:10,850 --> 00:30:13,100
she had seen drive by the house before.
498
00:30:13,895 --> 00:30:15,725
She's also... She also recognized him
499
00:30:15,814 --> 00:30:18,784
because she had seen him
in my office before,
500
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:21,610
presenting cases.
501
00:30:23,238 --> 00:30:24,608
He is with...
502
00:30:25,907 --> 00:30:27,367
a law enforcement agency.
503
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,170
I was a detective
working with Vic.
504
00:30:40,672 --> 00:30:42,632
Mysterious stuff started happening.
505
00:30:42,757 --> 00:30:44,677
People's phones were being tapped.
506
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:47,640
All kinds of threats going around.
507
00:30:49,556 --> 00:30:50,716
And, uh...
508
00:30:51,474 --> 00:30:53,064
they killed Vic's dog.
509
00:30:53,893 --> 00:30:57,113
They was putting a wiretap out there
on the phone pole behind his house
510
00:30:57,188 --> 00:30:59,228
and that little dog
would bark all the time.
511
00:31:00,525 --> 00:31:02,025
We had a little Sheltie.
512
00:31:02,652 --> 00:31:05,742
And one day I came home from work
and I said "Where's Spanky?"
513
00:31:06,155 --> 00:31:08,115
And we went outside looking for Spanky,
514
00:31:08,199 --> 00:31:12,119
and Spanky was laying on his side
with his tongue out and...
515
00:31:13,121 --> 00:31:15,121
We took him to the vet immediately,
516
00:31:15,206 --> 00:31:17,496
and the vet said,
"This dog's been poisoned."
517
00:31:23,756 --> 00:31:26,336
Whenever he'd leave at night
to go home,
518
00:31:26,426 --> 00:31:27,636
I'd follow him home.
519
00:31:28,386 --> 00:31:30,306
I thought somebody was gonna kill him.
520
00:31:30,638 --> 00:31:31,638
I really did.
521
00:31:35,476 --> 00:31:37,516
I started receiving threats.
522
00:31:38,396 --> 00:31:40,356
My phone ringing at night.
523
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,150
People saying, "We have a bullet
with your name on it."
524
00:31:46,112 --> 00:31:49,452
I could not tell
who was wearing the white hats
525
00:31:49,782 --> 00:31:51,952
and who was wearing the black hats.
526
00:31:52,035 --> 00:31:54,575
That's how confused I was.
527
00:31:55,872 --> 00:32:00,542
On both sides, they truly believed
what they were saying.
528
00:32:01,878 --> 00:32:04,508
But what was the truth?
529
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:07,270
What everyone wants to know now
530
00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:10,050
is does McLennan County
have a crooked district attorney
531
00:32:10,595 --> 00:32:13,805
or are the Department of Public Safety,
the FBI, and the Justice Department
532
00:32:14,349 --> 00:32:16,179
trying to teach Vic Feazell a lesson?
533
00:32:16,809 --> 00:32:19,939
No, I-I don't know
of no retaliation whatever.
534
00:32:20,688 --> 00:32:22,518
How did some of the Rangers
535
00:32:22,607 --> 00:32:24,727
characterize their feelings
toward Feazell?
536
00:32:25,151 --> 00:32:27,571
Well, I think fairly much
the same way I did.
537
00:32:27,654 --> 00:32:29,324
Uh, he had interfered with, uh,
538
00:32:29,405 --> 00:32:32,615
what was an ongoing
nationwide investigation.
539
00:32:33,451 --> 00:32:35,621
Uh, I didn't like it then,
I don't like it now.
540
00:32:35,703 --> 00:32:36,543
Right.
541
00:32:39,707 --> 00:32:43,877
September the 17th, 1986.
542
00:32:45,505 --> 00:32:47,295
I pulled into the courthouse,
543
00:32:47,382 --> 00:32:50,592
and I could hear the car tires
squealing in behind me.
544
00:32:52,512 --> 00:32:54,682
Back off, please. Back off.
545
00:32:55,556 --> 00:32:58,016
I was surrounded by FBI agents
546
00:32:58,434 --> 00:33:01,274
reading me my rights
and putting me in handcuffs.
547
00:33:03,314 --> 00:33:07,364
The FBI and Texas Department
of Public Safety officers arrested Feazell
548
00:33:07,443 --> 00:33:09,363
after an Austin Federal Grand Jury
549
00:33:09,445 --> 00:33:12,525
returned a 12-count indictment
against him for accepting bribes,
550
00:33:12,615 --> 00:33:14,275
racketeering, and mail fraud.
551
00:33:17,787 --> 00:33:20,265
- They were making a show of it.
- Mr. Feazell!
552
00:33:20,289 --> 00:33:22,789
- Making me do the perp walk.
- Excuse me.
553
00:33:22,875 --> 00:33:25,955
- Are you arresting Mr. Feazell?
- Channel 8 was in on it.
554
00:33:27,422 --> 00:33:29,842
They had five cameras there.
555
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,600
I think y'all know what's going on.
556
00:33:35,722 --> 00:33:38,602
What I said all along
and I'll still be proven right.
557
00:33:39,767 --> 00:33:41,307
They wanted to intimidate him.
558
00:33:41,894 --> 00:33:43,944
And, of course, they made a mistake...
559
00:33:44,731 --> 00:33:48,741
by not putting his hands behind his back,
because they didn't like that picture
560
00:33:48,818 --> 00:33:51,028
where he was going like this
with the handcuffs on,
561
00:33:51,112 --> 00:33:52,112
you know?
562
00:33:53,156 --> 00:33:56,156
FBI agent Bob Vain
took Feazell up to his office,
563
00:33:56,242 --> 00:33:57,622
where agents locked the doors,
564
00:33:57,702 --> 00:34:00,912
evidently to prevent any disturbance
in gathering evidence.
565
00:34:03,124 --> 00:34:04,804
Feazell was taken
to the federal courthouse
566
00:34:04,876 --> 00:34:06,586
by the four arresting agents.
567
00:34:07,003 --> 00:34:09,923
You know what happened.
I stepped on the wrong toes here.
568
00:34:10,506 --> 00:34:12,109
- Where you going?
- Slide into the center.
569
00:34:12,133 --> 00:34:13,303
I have no idea.
570
00:34:13,384 --> 00:34:14,594
Sit right in the center.
571
00:34:18,765 --> 00:34:21,055
At the same time
they were arresting me,
572
00:34:21,517 --> 00:34:24,307
15 agents descended on my house.
573
00:34:24,395 --> 00:34:26,874
Federal authorities
searched the Feazells' Waco home
574
00:34:26,898 --> 00:34:28,148
for much of the day.
575
00:34:28,232 --> 00:34:32,152
No one knows for sure what the authorities
were looking for or what they found.
576
00:34:32,820 --> 00:34:34,740
They opened all our cereal boxes,
577
00:34:34,822 --> 00:34:37,452
they unwrapped everything in the freezer.
578
00:34:37,533 --> 00:34:40,293
They went through my wife's underwear.
579
00:34:40,369 --> 00:34:42,869
I-I-I haven't even counted them all.
They're everywhere.
580
00:34:42,955 --> 00:34:44,705
They're in every room. They've...
581
00:34:45,541 --> 00:34:47,131
They've tagged my snail bait.
582
00:34:48,002 --> 00:34:50,672
They searched
all my little boy's toys.
583
00:34:51,005 --> 00:34:54,965
That's when they took the toy syringe
out of my son's doctor kit
584
00:34:55,051 --> 00:34:57,391
and labeled that narcotics paraphernalia.
585
00:35:00,556 --> 00:35:02,242
A US district judge
586
00:35:02,266 --> 00:35:05,226
set a $100,000
personal recognizance bond for Feazell
587
00:35:05,311 --> 00:35:06,311
and released him.
588
00:35:08,314 --> 00:35:09,694
Are you mad, Vic?
589
00:35:09,774 --> 00:35:10,984
No, I'm not mad.
590
00:35:11,067 --> 00:35:14,197
I'm disappointed these people
with an axe to grind
591
00:35:14,278 --> 00:35:18,118
could use the American justice system
to do something like this.
592
00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:21,409
I-I've never seen anything like it.
I believe it's retaliation.
593
00:35:23,454 --> 00:35:25,964
There's absolutely
no relationship whatsoever
594
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,290
between the Lucas investigation
595
00:35:28,376 --> 00:35:30,836
and our initiation of this investigation.
596
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,590
The indictment speaks for itself
597
00:35:32,672 --> 00:35:35,172
in alleging
that he's operated his office, uh,
598
00:35:35,258 --> 00:35:37,218
in the manner of a criminal enterprise.
599
00:35:37,301 --> 00:35:39,641
That's the indictment speaking, not me.
600
00:35:41,973 --> 00:35:44,103
I was looking at 80 years in prison.
601
00:35:44,350 --> 00:35:47,730
People I had sent to prison for murder
602
00:35:48,563 --> 00:35:50,233
would have been out before me.
603
00:36:05,246 --> 00:36:07,956
The stage is set in Austin,
where the whole story
604
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,670
of Feazell's tenure in office
should finally unfold.
605
00:36:10,751 --> 00:36:13,171
Feazell has said
the indictment was retaliation
606
00:36:13,254 --> 00:36:15,424
following his grand jury investigation
607
00:36:15,506 --> 00:36:19,006
which questioned confessions
by convicted murderer Henry Lee Lucas,
608
00:36:19,093 --> 00:36:21,263
and that will be the core of his defense.
609
00:36:21,971 --> 00:36:24,771
During pre-trial hearings,
US District Judge James Allen
610
00:36:24,849 --> 00:36:27,479
said he found no connection
between the Lucas investigation
611
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,730
and the federal investigation of Feazell.
612
00:36:30,354 --> 00:36:33,524
Judge told me,
"I don't want to hear the name Henry Lucas
613
00:36:33,608 --> 00:36:36,648
one time during this trial.
Do you understand me?"
614
00:36:37,195 --> 00:36:39,155
And I said, "Yes, sir, I understand you."
615
00:36:39,238 --> 00:36:41,488
I brought up Henry
in my opening statement.
616
00:36:44,118 --> 00:36:47,181
During opening arguments today,
prosecutor Jack Frels told the court
617
00:36:47,205 --> 00:36:49,995
it would see an unsavory side
of the legal system.
618
00:36:50,082 --> 00:36:53,002
The whole centerpiece of the case
is the... is the bribery racketeering,
619
00:36:53,085 --> 00:36:56,665
taking money to, uh...
to favorably handle cases.
620
00:36:57,048 --> 00:37:00,888
It was alleged
that Feazell was soliciting those bribes
621
00:37:00,968 --> 00:37:04,638
through just a very small group of lawyers
that he trusted.
622
00:37:05,223 --> 00:37:08,893
Attorney Dick Clark testified
that he paid District Attorney Vic Feazell
623
00:37:08,976 --> 00:37:10,186
several thousand dollars
624
00:37:10,269 --> 00:37:13,859
in exchange for favorable handling
of several DWI cases.
625
00:37:13,940 --> 00:37:16,543
The Waco attorney Ron Voutti
testified he gave Feazell
626
00:37:16,567 --> 00:37:18,687
more than $9,000 in cash.
627
00:37:18,778 --> 00:37:20,839
The attorneys
Dick Kettler and Don Hall
628
00:37:20,863 --> 00:37:23,663
have been described
as being inside the inner circle of greed
629
00:37:23,741 --> 00:37:25,451
that revolved around Vic Feazell.
630
00:37:25,534 --> 00:37:27,504
Prosecutor Jack Frels asked,
631
00:37:27,578 --> 00:37:30,208
"Did you make a record of money paid
to Mr. Feazell?"
632
00:37:30,539 --> 00:37:34,499
Don Hall testified
that he kept copies of the envelopes
633
00:37:34,585 --> 00:37:37,835
that marked the date and the amount
634
00:37:37,922 --> 00:37:39,592
provided to Vic Feazell.
635
00:37:41,842 --> 00:37:43,302
They pressured those men.
636
00:37:43,386 --> 00:37:45,426
"You're gonna give us something
on Vic Feazell
637
00:37:45,513 --> 00:37:48,523
or we're gonna go after your taxes.
We'll go after you."
638
00:37:48,975 --> 00:37:51,845
Feazell says that you're lying
to get out of tax trouble.
639
00:37:51,936 --> 00:37:54,976
He's not gonna say anything
right now. We need to finish this trial.
640
00:37:55,022 --> 00:37:56,612
Please let us go on with our business.
641
00:37:56,691 --> 00:37:59,691
We're not gonna handle press conferences
like Gary Richardson
642
00:37:59,777 --> 00:38:02,527
and... and Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker
and all that business.
643
00:38:04,949 --> 00:38:06,369
The pressure was incredible.
644
00:38:08,077 --> 00:38:11,497
The feds were trying to bring in
every lawyer in this town
645
00:38:11,580 --> 00:38:13,960
to roll over on the district attorney.
646
00:38:14,583 --> 00:38:16,383
I mean, I-I was... I was terrified.
647
00:38:16,460 --> 00:38:18,340
I was afraid I was gonna be indicted.
648
00:38:18,421 --> 00:38:22,931
They had me staring at two FBI agents
and an IRS agent threatening me.
649
00:38:23,009 --> 00:38:26,179
Feazell never asked me for any money.
650
00:38:26,637 --> 00:38:29,677
The investigators didn't appear to care.
651
00:38:31,434 --> 00:38:34,274
The investigators and I
were confident,
652
00:38:34,353 --> 00:38:35,913
but we knew there were some challenges.
653
00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:40,570
I would think, "Okay,
if it's between Feazell's personality,
654
00:38:41,152 --> 00:38:44,072
his charisma, his charm, and me,
655
00:38:45,531 --> 00:38:47,451
I'm gonna get my rear end whipped."
656
00:38:48,701 --> 00:38:50,451
The trial lasted five weeks.
657
00:38:51,787 --> 00:38:55,367
They called 65 or 70 witnesses.
658
00:38:56,292 --> 00:38:58,792
And then the government rested.
659
00:39:00,296 --> 00:39:02,336
The jury
in Feazell's racketeering trial
660
00:39:02,423 --> 00:39:03,973
deliberated about six hours
661
00:39:04,425 --> 00:39:05,885
before returning the verdict.
662
00:39:10,639 --> 00:39:13,889
Vic Feazell was found
not guilty by a federal jury in Austin
663
00:39:13,976 --> 00:39:16,516
of charges he accepted bribes
from Waco attorneys.
664
00:39:17,063 --> 00:39:19,193
The smoke has cleared,
the dust has settled,
665
00:39:19,273 --> 00:39:21,823
and I'm still standing,
and I'm going back to Waco.
666
00:39:24,070 --> 00:39:26,870
Prosecutor Jack Frels said
he was surprised by the verdict.
667
00:39:26,947 --> 00:39:28,277
This is a failure,
668
00:39:28,741 --> 00:39:31,621
and I'm gonna have to live with it,
and, uh... and go on.
669
00:39:35,623 --> 00:39:37,463
Vic Feazell was correct.
670
00:39:37,708 --> 00:39:39,538
There were some real flaws,
671
00:39:39,752 --> 00:39:43,802
as everybody now knows,
in the Henry Lee Lucas investigation.
672
00:39:44,215 --> 00:39:47,295
But the theme of their defense,
that it was for revenge,
673
00:39:47,802 --> 00:39:49,012
that's completely false.
674
00:39:49,804 --> 00:39:52,741
Has this, uh, damaged
your political career at all, do you feel?
675
00:39:52,765 --> 00:39:54,765
I don't know if I want a political career.
676
00:39:54,850 --> 00:39:57,020
We'll wait and see later on down the line.
677
00:39:59,438 --> 00:40:01,398
Remember this?
678
00:40:01,482 --> 00:40:03,001
- Well, now it's all right.
- All right!
679
00:40:19,542 --> 00:40:21,792
After Lucas recanted,
680
00:40:22,336 --> 00:40:25,626
and we told him we want to go ahead
and continue with the task force,
681
00:40:26,090 --> 00:40:29,510
he said, "Well we can, but, you know,
I really didn't kill anybody."
682
00:40:31,262 --> 00:40:33,682
And I said,
"Well, no use to us continuing then."
683
00:40:35,683 --> 00:40:37,733
You know, he... he's not gonna talk
to the officers
684
00:40:37,810 --> 00:40:38,890
that are coming to see him,
685
00:40:38,936 --> 00:40:41,766
so, after that, he was taken on
to the penitentiary.
686
00:40:54,535 --> 00:40:58,455
Lucas had 11 homicide convictions,
687
00:40:58,873 --> 00:41:00,253
a 60-year term,
688
00:41:00,708 --> 00:41:04,168
two 75-year terms,
the rest were life terms,
689
00:41:05,713 --> 00:41:07,883
and, um, one death sentence.
690
00:41:10,634 --> 00:41:12,094
I'm not a mass murderer.
691
00:41:12,178 --> 00:41:15,138
I did not kill the people
that they say I killed.
692
00:41:15,848 --> 00:41:18,848
And no matter when or if I die,
693
00:41:19,685 --> 00:41:20,685
you know,
694
00:41:20,978 --> 00:41:23,938
I somehow will prove it to the public.
695
00:41:24,523 --> 00:41:27,743
You know, I might say
I wouldn't do it from the grave,
696
00:41:27,818 --> 00:41:28,898
but I'm gonna do it.
697
00:41:40,956 --> 00:41:42,826
I wanted to sue the Rangers.
698
00:41:44,126 --> 00:41:46,246
I wanted to sue the FBI.
699
00:41:48,047 --> 00:41:52,257
But when I did my research, I realized
they all had governmental immunity.
700
00:41:52,510 --> 00:41:56,680
The only ones I could really sue
were Charles Duncan and Channel 8
701
00:41:57,181 --> 00:41:58,181
for libel.
702
00:42:02,353 --> 00:42:05,983
In my criminal case,
I had no access to their files,
703
00:42:06,315 --> 00:42:08,525
to their documents,
to what they had been up to,
704
00:42:08,609 --> 00:42:11,989
but after I was found not guilty
and we started the civil case,
705
00:42:12,321 --> 00:42:13,991
we got to issue subpoenas.
706
00:42:21,956 --> 00:42:23,666
We took depositions.
707
00:42:25,209 --> 00:42:27,549
We did Freedom of Information requests.
708
00:42:28,837 --> 00:42:31,757
We got a massive amount of video
from Channel 8.
709
00:42:34,260 --> 00:42:36,760
And then we were able to connect the dots.
710
00:42:39,473 --> 00:42:43,443
It all started when we got Henry away
from the task force.
711
00:42:45,271 --> 00:42:48,021
That night, they had a meeting
in Boutwell's office.
712
00:42:50,067 --> 00:42:52,607
Present was the assistant US attorney,
713
00:42:52,945 --> 00:42:54,275
an FBI agent,
714
00:42:55,531 --> 00:42:58,331
and DPS officer Ron Boyter,
715
00:42:58,409 --> 00:43:00,539
Jim Adams' right-hand man.
716
00:43:04,081 --> 00:43:06,881
A few weeks later at the Ramada Inn,
717
00:43:07,376 --> 00:43:10,706
Boyter met with Charles Duncan
from Channel 8.
718
00:43:12,965 --> 00:43:16,965
He gave Duncan
the stack of allegations against me,
719
00:43:17,761 --> 00:43:22,271
which later became the basis
for Duncan's episodes.
720
00:43:23,017 --> 00:43:24,297
Because the district attorney...
721
00:43:24,351 --> 00:43:27,811
I had Charles Duncan
on the stand for 11 days.
722
00:43:29,565 --> 00:43:34,275
What we learned was that Ron Boyter
fed him all this information
723
00:43:34,737 --> 00:43:37,197
about Vic that wasn't true.
724
00:43:38,782 --> 00:43:41,872
Then Boyter plays Duncan's episodes
725
00:43:42,202 --> 00:43:43,872
to a federal grand jury.
726
00:43:45,831 --> 00:43:48,881
They heard no witnesses,
they saw no documents.
727
00:43:48,959 --> 00:43:51,749
All they did was watch
the Channel 8 reports,
728
00:43:52,713 --> 00:43:56,263
and they indicted me
based only on those tapes.
729
00:43:57,926 --> 00:44:00,546
I was looking at 80 years.
730
00:44:04,224 --> 00:44:07,564
Who would have had the power
to orchestrate that
731
00:44:07,645 --> 00:44:08,935
with Channel 8?
732
00:44:10,189 --> 00:44:11,899
Who would have had the power
733
00:44:11,982 --> 00:44:16,282
to have the IRS start investigating
every criminal defense lawyer in town?
734
00:44:19,782 --> 00:44:20,782
Jim Adams,
735
00:44:21,575 --> 00:44:23,325
head of the Texas Rangers.
736
00:44:32,544 --> 00:44:35,054
We proved Charles Duncan and Channel 8
737
00:44:35,464 --> 00:44:39,474
had lied, lied, lied, lied...
738
00:44:40,469 --> 00:44:42,599
and had done it with malice.
739
00:44:46,850 --> 00:44:49,480
Jury brought in
a 58-million-dollar verdict.
740
00:44:49,561 --> 00:44:53,231
It was the largest in US history
for a libel case.
741
00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:57,280
And it's
in The Guinness Book of Records.
742
00:45:20,926 --> 00:45:22,796
My political career was over.
743
00:45:24,346 --> 00:45:25,806
I didn't want any part of it.
744
00:45:28,183 --> 00:45:31,103
And I resigned before the end of my term.
745
00:45:35,941 --> 00:45:40,071
There are still people that say,
"Oh, well, he just had a good lawyer."
746
00:45:40,571 --> 00:45:42,161
Or, "He's a good liar."
747
00:45:49,872 --> 00:45:52,712
It totally destroyed the world I lived in.
748
00:45:54,835 --> 00:45:56,745
My marriage ended in divorce
749
00:45:57,254 --> 00:45:58,674
and my little boys had...
750
00:45:59,423 --> 00:46:01,053
had a lot of trouble after that.
751
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:02,800
It wasn't right.
752
00:46:08,474 --> 00:46:10,564
People still thought I was a crook.
753
00:46:12,102 --> 00:46:14,862
They still thought
Henry Lucas was a serial killer.
754
00:46:18,650 --> 00:46:20,320
And then something happened
755
00:46:20,402 --> 00:46:21,742
that made me believe
756
00:46:21,987 --> 00:46:24,107
I was gonna be able to turn it all around.
757
00:46:28,535 --> 00:46:31,905
Well, I was shocked
to find out I was dead.
758
00:46:32,831 --> 00:46:33,921
Becky Powell,
759
00:46:34,291 --> 00:46:37,461
his girlfriend who he'd supposedly killed,
760
00:46:38,545 --> 00:46:39,545
and here she was,
761
00:46:40,172 --> 00:46:41,302
back from the dead.
762
00:46:42,174 --> 00:46:43,934
He did not cut me up...
763
00:46:45,177 --> 00:46:48,217
and throw me...
throw my body parts everywhere.
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