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- I wanna be a jockey when I grow up.
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Yeah, I wanna be a jockey when I grow up.
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- Last night,
we followed the fortunes
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of some of the Seven Up children.
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- I must say, I mean, it's
not easy being married.
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- When I get married, I'd
like to have two children.
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I don't want to just suddenly find
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when the children have gone,
I've got nothing to my life.
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- Tell me, do
you have any girlfriends?
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- Well, not many.
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- What do
you think about girls.
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- Well, not much.
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I don't really want to lose
my children, any of them.
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- If I could change the world,
I'd change it into a diamond.
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- Since I wasn't gonna be a farmer,
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I couldn't live here anymore.
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Choosing to leave here
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is like having your right arm ripped off.
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- Tonight, we'll see
what's happened to the rest.
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- My heart's desire is to see my daddy.
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- I'm going to work in Woolworths.
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- What does university mean?
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- When I grow up, I
want to be an astronaut.
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- This is no
ordinary outing at the zoo,
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it's a very special occasion.
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We've brought these children together
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for the very first time.
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They're like any other
children, expect that they come
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from startlingly different backgrounds.
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- Stop it at once.
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- We've brought
these children together
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because we wanted a glimpse
of England in the year 2000.
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The shop steward and the executive
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of the year 2000 are now seven years old.
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- In 1964, World
in Action made Seven Up.
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We have been back to film these
children every seven years.
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They are now 42.
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- Yes, speak up.
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- We'll march it both ways!
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- When he was seven,
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Bruce was at a pre-preparatory
boarding school.
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At 14, St. Paul's in London.
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- They don't sort of
enforce being upper class
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and things like that at
St. Paul's, you know?
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They suggest that you
don't have long hair,
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and they do get it cut,
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and they teach you to be
reasonably well-mannered
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but not to sniff on the poorer people.
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- There is a property.
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- At 21, he was in his last year
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at Oxford reading maths.
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- And by Eisenstein.
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You can show that this is irreducible,
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then you do a transformation
on this polynomial,
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x equal to t plus two.
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- Good, that's a nice way of doing it,
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particularly using Eisenstein down here.
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His test is very powerful.
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- Yes.
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Well, there is one job, I'd
like to make maps really.
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I mean, it's a nice sort outdoor life
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and you go to, I mean, you travel around,
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but there are very few
jobs like that going.
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You observe that seven, which is a prime,
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divides the co-efficient of t squared.
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I won't carry on with mathematics.
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I don't think I'll be a teacher
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And seven square doesn't.
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So, you're in the lead, you see
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because TSE caps got put to two pounds
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and could be caps, no
problem at all, okay?
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Now, can you explain that just to Abdul
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'cause I want him to
understand what it is.
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- Yes, sir.
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- At 28, he was teaching,
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immigrant children East London.
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- Abdul, times.
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I was working in an insurance
company at the time,
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and I decided to go into teaching
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without any experience at all,
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and I didn't think they
would allow somebody
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to walk in off the
street into a classroom.
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Well, I'll go into Africa
and try and teach people
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who are not civilised
to be more or less good.
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- So, is this your
missionary dream come true?
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- Well, not exactly.
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I've had the opportunity
to come here for a term,
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and it just so happens the school I'm in
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has great links with
this part of the world.
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- At 35, Bruce
was teaching in Sylhet
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in Northern Bangladesh.
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- And then I've also got the
chance to learn a bit of Bangla
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which is very difficult and
I'm not doing very well at.
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- Bangladesh,
Bangladesh, Bangladesh.
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- Bangladesh.
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- Bangladesh.
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- Bangladesh.
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- The straight line, yes,
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keep going, keep going, keep going.
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Right, yeah, till you hit, no, no,
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that's it, stop there, yeah.
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- At 42, Bruce is again teaching
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in the East End of London.
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- And then having positive
points, what do you do now?
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- Turn 'em up.
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- Turn 'em up, okay.
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This is Bishop Chancellor
Roman Catholic Girls' School
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in the East End of London.
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It's about 1,000 girls 11 to 18.
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I'll be over in a minute.
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And I've been here about five years.
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I'll just leave that
for a couple of minutes.
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Well done, Malik, if you want
to sit down anyway, thanks.
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It was a chance to go for promotion
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to be Head of the Maths faculty
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and to teach A level as well.
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Okay, all right.
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I didn't agree with the conservatives
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about what they were doing
with the black people,
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you know, the racial policy.
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I'm an optimist here.
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I think we can show the way,
if you like, for developing
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a sort of more harmonious
multicultural society.
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Next thing we've got to do
is copy that table down.
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Well, petrol.
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I'm quite pleased in a way that I know,
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say an Algerian fellow near where I live,
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he will say that in other
countries in Europe,
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they're spat at and harassed
and beaten up by the police.
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Here he says, "I walk down
the street and nobody minds."
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Well my, girlfriend is
in Africa and I won't,
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I don't think I'll have another
chance to seeing her again.
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- Have you got any girlfriends?
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- No, no, not yet.
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I'm sure it will come, but not yet.
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I mean, I do think a lot of
people think too much about it.
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I think I would very much like to
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become involved in a family
like my own family for a start.
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That's a need that I
feel I ought to fulfil
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and would like to fulfil
and would do it well.
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Yes, I haven't got married or whatever,
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and I suppose that would've been something
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which I hoped would happen.
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You know, I suppose
lots of reasons really,
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I don't suppose I've met the right person.
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- Well, you're getting on a bit.
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Are you getting worried?
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- Well, not particularly, I
mean, I'm always optimistic.
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I mean, who knows who
I might meet tomorrow,
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but I think that's the
trouble with reserve.
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You're not rejected,
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but you never know what might have been.
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But I'm getting better.
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What does that look like?
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- It was when
I think we were doing
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the school production of Annie,
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and Bruce was playing President Roosevelt,
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and I had to put on his stage makeup.
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Not many men will let
you put on their makeup.
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- It gives me great pleasure to be here
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on this joyful and happy occasion
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to celebrate the marriage
of Bruce and Penelope.
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♪ When Christ shall come ♪
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- Bruce and
Penny married last summer.
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She teaches at Bruce's school.
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♪ And take me home ♪
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- I, Bruce Swain.
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- I, Bruce Swain.
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- Take you, Penelope Sarah Jane.
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- To be my wife.
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- So, how did he propose to you?
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- We were on the sofa and in
the middle of a conversation
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about something completely different.
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He just asked if I'd like to marry him,
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and if I hadn't been listening carefully,
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I would have missed it completely.
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- To love and to cherish.
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- To love and to cherish.
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- Till death us do part.
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- Till death us do part.
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It was quite unusual really.
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We did a lot of it ourselves
and we had the reception here.
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We didn't have a lot of things
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that you normally have
at weddings like the cars
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and photographers and
all that sort of thing.
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Everybody say, "Cover work!"
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We just planned what we wanted,
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and it all worked out
very well in the end.
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It was a very enjoyable day.
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In practical ways, I'm better
fed, better looked after,
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thanks to Bruce,
generally better organised
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than I was before.
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He's very good at sort
of financial organisation
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and running bank accounts
and being sensible,
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that kind of thing, than I am.
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- First when we got married,
one of the odd things was this,
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her mother said, "Oh good,
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"there's someone to look after
Penny and cook her meals,"
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rather than the other way
round which sometimes happens.
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- What was the biggest
shock about being married?
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- Well, I think three bags of
clothes getting chucked out.
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Two of which didn't even make it to Oxfam.
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Is that right dear?
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- Yes.
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- But I suppose some of
them were crusty old flares,
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I don't know, perhaps they
deserved to get chucked out.
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- Does he think
that the discovery of gold
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was a good thing for the Transvaal?
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- She's very determined
and doesn't let things go,
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especially with school.
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She wants everything to be well done.
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I mean, she prepares
lessons way into the future.
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- A lot of the monopolies
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were granted to Dutch.
- She's very sensitive,
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responsive, and helps
me act in a better way.
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I might become petulant or something,
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and it's somehow not
appropriate in that situation.
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My heart's desire is to see my daddy
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who is 6,000 miles away.
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- For march that good ways!
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- I can remember being happy there.
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I can remember also being miserable
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because I can remember crying.
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- Squad, steady!
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- You know, I
always seemed to be beaten,
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and I never used to understand why.
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- Squad, ho!
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- People possibly say
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I'm a little innocent at times or naive.
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I used to get worried about this
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and think perhaps I ought not
to be taken in or deceived.
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I'm not talking about love now,
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I'm just talking about generally speaking.
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I think I do have a sort of
greater level of confidence,
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especially in expressing
myself, in holding opinions.
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I think if you're having a
partnership with somebody,
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that definitely makes
you more mature in a way
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because you're not thinking
about yourself all the time,
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you're thinking about somebody else.
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- Extend the line here, and
then after nought hours,
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you can see that it would 60 litres.
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- What
ambitions do you have now?
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- I may become a senior
teacher at some point here,
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but I don't really have aspirations
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to become a deputy head
and a head teacher.
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- Why?
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- You do tend to move out of
the classroom at that stage,
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and also, you have to go on courses in MA
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and educational studies and so on,
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and our lives are busy enough really.
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No, I'm in sort of a
middle-aged mode at the moment
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where middle-aged content
is the best description.
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- Go on, Carter.
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Do it!
255
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- Do it good, Carter, I am sure.
256
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- Who's going to?
257
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- How are you doing, dear?
258
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- Fine, thank you, dear.
259
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- If you saw me running
around the cricket field now
260
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after a ball, it's just comical.
261
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It's just a lumbering old man, you know?
262
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No flowing swoop and
hurling in at the ball.
263
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It's all gone, that lightness, that youth.
264
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It's just gone.
265
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- Not so fast.
266
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- I think so, yeah.
267
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I don't know whether they're
gonna move any of them.
268
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- We may have children, I don't know.
269
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If in seven years' time or so,
270
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we're living in a slightly bigger house
271
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with a young family, that would be nice.
272
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I mean, I don't want to
pin all my hopes on it
273
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and nothing happens.
274
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We are quite old.
275
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I can see bringing up, say,
teenage children in your 40s
276
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might be a bit strange.
277
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- Looking back on
your life, halfway through say,
278
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I mean, what regrets do you have?
279
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- Now, I'm married to a lovely person.
280
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That kind of takes out some
regrets that may have been
281
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or I've missed my chance
there or something,
282
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and you never know what the
future will hold for you,
283
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and I think I'm lucky to have found Penny.
284
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- He's the nicest person I've ever met.
285
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He's just somebody you could
rely on the whole time.
286
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- Oh, I might quote that some time.
287
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- Yeah.
288
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No, he's not the kind of man
289
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you would ever actually
have any doubts about.
290
00:14:05,761 --> 00:14:08,921
- I don't like the big boys hitting us
291
00:14:10,081 --> 00:14:15,081
and the prefects sending
us out for nothing.
292
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- When he was seven,
293
00:14:18,481 --> 00:14:20,881
Paul was in care at a
children's home in London.
294
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Were you happy at the
children's home in England?
295
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- We didn't mind that really
296
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'cause we didn't know what was going on
297
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'cause we were a bit young.
298
00:14:31,041 --> 00:14:33,561
Well, as far as I know,
my mother and father got,
299
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well they separated originally, I think.
300
00:14:37,801 --> 00:14:39,721
They eventually got divorced.
301
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I went to the boarding school for one year
302
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and then we emigrated to Australia.
303
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My father got remarried.
304
00:14:47,681 --> 00:14:50,241
- Paul settled with
his father and stepmother
305
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in a suburb of Melbourne.
306
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What mark has it left on you,
307
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the fact that you were brought
up within a bad marriage?
308
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- The only thing I can say
309
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that I think might have come from that
310
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is just my lack of confidence
311
00:15:03,161 --> 00:15:06,681
and being able to show my
feelings really, I suppose.
312
00:15:06,681 --> 00:15:09,361
- Would you
like to get married Paul?
313
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- No.
314
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- Tell me why not.
315
00:15:11,921 --> 00:15:16,921
- I don't want like
'em, say you had a wife,
316
00:15:18,521 --> 00:15:22,361
they say you had to eat
what they cooked you,
317
00:15:22,361 --> 00:15:26,041
and say I don't like greens, well I don't,
318
00:15:27,641 --> 00:15:32,401
and say she said, "You
have to eat what you give."
319
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So, I don't like greens,
320
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say she gives me greens and that's it.
321
00:15:38,961 --> 00:15:42,481
I know I prefer to be alone really.
322
00:15:42,481 --> 00:15:46,281
I can't say I don't want to get
married 'cause I think I do.
323
00:15:46,281 --> 00:15:47,681
But I want to be happily
married, you know,
324
00:15:47,681 --> 00:15:50,041
and therefore, I want
to make sure, I think.
325
00:15:50,041 --> 00:15:51,681
- What was it
that you feel in love with,
326
00:15:51,681 --> 00:15:53,001
what is it about him?
327
00:15:53,001 --> 00:15:54,721
- His helplessness, I suppose.
328
00:15:54,721 --> 00:15:57,201
It was the motherly instinct in me
329
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to pick him up and cuddle him.
330
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He's also very good looking,
331
00:16:00,441 --> 00:16:03,481
I think, but he doesn't
agree with me.
332
00:16:03,481 --> 00:16:06,241
In the summer, he's got this
cute little bum in shorts.
333
00:16:07,521 --> 00:16:09,321
I mean, I can tell quite
a few stories here,
334
00:16:09,321 --> 00:16:11,321
but the one that really
irritates me the most
335
00:16:11,321 --> 00:16:13,881
is when we have an argument,
he says, "That's it, leave me."
336
00:16:13,881 --> 00:16:16,881
And I say, "Fine, all
right, I will one day."
337
00:16:16,881 --> 00:16:18,321
- So, how's married life been
338
00:16:18,321 --> 00:16:19,321
since I last saw you?
339
00:16:19,321 --> 00:16:20,761
- Shocking, shocking.
340
00:16:22,561 --> 00:16:25,241
- We had our 20th wedding
anniversary this last,
341
00:16:25,241 --> 00:16:26,321
just before Christmas.
342
00:16:26,321 --> 00:16:27,481
- Which is a life sentence.
343
00:16:27,481 --> 00:16:29,041
- Yeah, everyone reckons
344
00:16:29,041 --> 00:16:31,681
that we should be out of jail by now.
345
00:16:31,681 --> 00:16:33,561
- By the time they were 28,
346
00:16:33,561 --> 00:16:37,001
Paul and Sue had two
children, Katy and Robert.
347
00:16:38,441 --> 00:16:39,561
- Picked up a centre field,
348
00:16:39,561 --> 00:16:40,401
right where it's driven.
349
00:16:40,401 --> 00:16:43,321
- When we was 35, he
brought his family to London
350
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for a holiday to show them
where he had started out.
351
00:16:47,721 --> 00:16:49,921
- When we had Katy, when she
was born, Paul said to me,
352
00:16:49,921 --> 00:16:51,681
"Oh, I'm glad I've got a daughter."
353
00:16:51,681 --> 00:16:53,601
He said, "When I'm an old man,
354
00:16:53,601 --> 00:16:54,441
"at least she'll be able to come up
355
00:16:54,441 --> 00:16:56,481
"and she'll be able to give
me a kiss and a cuddle".
356
00:16:56,481 --> 00:17:00,401
- And she was also the shy one of the two,
357
00:17:00,401 --> 00:17:03,361
which had probably
followed after me a bit.
358
00:17:07,961 --> 00:17:10,401
- Well, Katie loves to shop.
359
00:17:10,401 --> 00:17:13,601
We are starting to learn
more of what we share alike
360
00:17:13,601 --> 00:17:14,961
'cause she's very much like Paul,
361
00:17:14,961 --> 00:17:17,561
and she doesn't quite know
362
00:17:17,561 --> 00:17:20,441
what she really wants to do just yet.
363
00:17:20,441 --> 00:17:22,201
I really love painting and art,
364
00:17:22,201 --> 00:17:26,441
and I love music and she
really has taken to that,
365
00:17:26,441 --> 00:17:30,201
and she seems to have the creative flair.
366
00:17:30,201 --> 00:17:31,601
- What does university mean?
367
00:17:32,761 --> 00:17:34,801
I'm pretty happy with Katy.
368
00:17:34,801 --> 00:17:37,881
I'm not having a go at Robert,
but I've got fears for Robert
369
00:17:37,881 --> 00:17:39,841
'cause he's struggling a little bit.
370
00:17:39,841 --> 00:17:41,681
He's had three teachers already
371
00:17:41,681 --> 00:17:43,921
that say they don't know
how to motivate him.
372
00:17:47,561 --> 00:17:48,921
- Robert had started school,
373
00:17:48,921 --> 00:17:51,521
and he was having a few problems.
374
00:17:52,441 --> 00:17:54,601
He's a square peg in a round hole
375
00:17:54,601 --> 00:17:56,241
in the normal mainstream schools,
376
00:17:56,241 --> 00:17:58,761
so we've actually moved him
now to another high school
377
00:17:58,761 --> 00:18:02,601
that's a community school
which is much more relaxed,
378
00:18:02,601 --> 00:18:04,921
and as a family unit,
we're a lot more calmer.
379
00:18:06,161 --> 00:18:07,761
- I was gonna be a policeman,
380
00:18:07,761 --> 00:18:12,321
but I thought how hard
it would be to join in.
381
00:18:12,321 --> 00:18:14,241
I just haven't made up my mind yet.
382
00:18:14,241 --> 00:18:15,681
I was gonna be a phys ed teacher,
383
00:18:15,681 --> 00:18:18,001
but one of the teachers told me
384
00:18:19,161 --> 00:18:21,041
you had to get up into university.
385
00:18:23,081 --> 00:18:26,161
- At 21, Paul was
working as a junior partner
386
00:18:26,161 --> 00:18:28,201
for a firm of bricklayers.
387
00:18:28,201 --> 00:18:32,441
By 28, he'd gone out on his
own as a sub-contractor,
388
00:18:32,441 --> 00:18:33,561
but it didn't work out.
389
00:18:36,321 --> 00:18:39,321
- Well, I've gone from
being stable in one,
390
00:18:39,321 --> 00:18:41,361
basically one job, which
was the bricklaying
391
00:18:41,361 --> 00:18:43,881
to probably had about 10 or 15 jobs.
392
00:18:43,881 --> 00:18:47,081
I've never really counted them.
393
00:18:47,081 --> 00:18:48,161
Although, I haven't been sacked from jobs,
394
00:18:48,161 --> 00:18:52,241
I've just been, I haven't
been able to settle.
395
00:18:53,801 --> 00:18:56,121
- Paul now works
for a plastics company
396
00:18:56,121 --> 00:18:58,041
installing industrial signs.
397
00:19:00,761 --> 00:19:01,921
- I think I've got to a stage now
398
00:19:01,921 --> 00:19:04,841
I just want to stay in work.
399
00:19:04,841 --> 00:19:07,721
Two or three years ago, I
tried to increase my skills
400
00:19:07,721 --> 00:19:11,761
and I went back to school and
took a carpentry certificate
401
00:19:11,761 --> 00:19:13,801
because I wanted to go out
and work as a carpenter,
402
00:19:13,801 --> 00:19:16,161
but I basically found there
were too many good carpenters
403
00:19:16,161 --> 00:19:18,961
out of work for the jobs
that were available.
404
00:19:18,961 --> 00:19:22,401
So, I didn't go too far with that.
405
00:19:22,401 --> 00:19:26,561
I suppose, partly it's
my confidence in myself.
406
00:19:26,561 --> 00:19:30,001
The monitors up in the
washroom sends the nurse out,
407
00:19:30,001 --> 00:19:34,001
well there's no talking,
and I wasn't talking today,
408
00:19:34,001 --> 00:19:36,601
and Brown sent me out for nothing.
409
00:19:36,601 --> 00:19:39,561
I find it hard to express
emotion most of the time,
410
00:19:39,561 --> 00:19:43,561
although I'm getting on top
of that more now, you know?
411
00:19:44,561 --> 00:19:47,121
I mean, just the simple things
to say to sort of Susan,
412
00:19:47,121 --> 00:19:49,041
you know, I love you, something like that.
413
00:19:49,041 --> 00:19:50,281
I mean, I can tell you about it,
414
00:19:50,281 --> 00:19:53,081
but I really haven't been able
415
00:19:53,081 --> 00:19:56,561
to say it freely to Sue, you know?
416
00:19:56,561 --> 00:19:58,721
- Is confidence
still an issue with you?
417
00:19:58,721 --> 00:20:02,841
Yeah, yeah, unfortunately,
I've learned to live with it,
418
00:20:02,841 --> 00:20:03,681
sort of accept it,
419
00:20:03,681 --> 00:20:06,961
but I've never really
got on top of it fully,
420
00:20:06,961 --> 00:20:09,001
which is, it really annoys me,
421
00:20:10,561 --> 00:20:12,761
but I don't know what
to do about it though.
422
00:20:14,881 --> 00:20:18,881
I'm more at peace around
the horses and the animals.
423
00:20:20,361 --> 00:20:23,201
I can be upset, I can be on
edge, come down to the horses,
424
00:20:23,201 --> 00:20:25,201
and within three or four
minutes of being here,
425
00:20:25,201 --> 00:20:29,641
and I've forgotten everything,
so it does calm you down.
426
00:20:31,441 --> 00:20:33,201
But I can be a pretty angry person,
427
00:20:34,081 --> 00:20:37,321
and you know, in the wrong circumstances,
428
00:20:37,321 --> 00:20:38,761
I can fire up terribly,
429
00:20:39,761 --> 00:20:42,601
but fortunately, it doesn't
happen too often these days.
430
00:20:44,401 --> 00:20:45,761
- At the beginning of this year,
431
00:20:45,761 --> 00:20:48,441
Paul and Sue moved to
another Melbourne suburb.
432
00:20:50,441 --> 00:20:52,081
- It's like living in a palace
433
00:20:52,081 --> 00:20:53,001
compared to our other house
434
00:20:53,001 --> 00:20:55,641
'cause it's nearly twice the size.
435
00:20:55,641 --> 00:20:56,761
- I think there's
probably a few more
436
00:20:56,761 --> 00:20:59,361
professional people live
around this area, I think.
437
00:21:01,121 --> 00:21:02,761
- So, you moved
up the market a bit?
438
00:21:02,761 --> 00:21:04,321
- Yeah, yeah, we have
439
00:21:04,321 --> 00:21:06,681
'cause we got to a point where
we paid the other house off,
440
00:21:06,681 --> 00:21:10,641
so you, I suppose, it's a
form of forced savings too.
441
00:21:10,641 --> 00:21:12,681
I think we will have to tighten up.
442
00:21:16,441 --> 00:21:19,921
- We wouldn't manage just
on Paul's wage alone.
443
00:21:19,921 --> 00:21:22,361
It's a difference sometimes between eating
444
00:21:22,361 --> 00:21:25,401
and not eating and just
paying the bills, you know?
445
00:21:25,401 --> 00:21:29,121
Most people these days rely
on two wages to survive.
446
00:21:30,401 --> 00:21:31,441
- I don't think it needs much.
447
00:21:31,441 --> 00:21:33,161
- I've been doing
the mobile hairdressing now
448
00:21:33,161 --> 00:21:35,521
since Robert was a baby.
449
00:21:35,521 --> 00:21:39,241
- So boring cutting
curly hair.
450
00:21:39,241 --> 00:21:41,601
- With this job, I mean, I
go and I cut people's hair,
451
00:21:41,601 --> 00:21:43,081
but it's like going visiting all day
452
00:21:43,081 --> 00:21:44,081
and some of the people
453
00:21:44,081 --> 00:21:45,681
don't really want me
there doing their hair.
454
00:21:45,681 --> 00:21:47,481
They just want to come and have a chat
455
00:21:47,481 --> 00:21:48,921
and tell them what I've been up to
456
00:21:48,921 --> 00:21:51,961
and for them to tell me
what they've been up to.
457
00:21:51,961 --> 00:21:54,681
- I've got 23 three-penny pieces,
458
00:21:54,681 --> 00:21:58,841
and I don't know how many
halfpenny pieces I've got now.
459
00:21:58,841 --> 00:22:01,321
- I spend, yeah, I spend.
460
00:22:01,321 --> 00:22:03,481
He doesn't save because I
don't give him any to save,
461
00:22:04,321 --> 00:22:06,081
basically 'cause, you know, like I,
462
00:22:06,081 --> 00:22:08,201
you know, these days you
don't get a pay packet.
463
00:22:08,201 --> 00:22:11,081
Well, I mean, I get money as I go,
464
00:22:12,561 --> 00:22:14,801
but Paul's wages is paid
straight into the bank,
465
00:22:14,801 --> 00:22:16,761
and you know, it's
really no money anymore.
466
00:22:16,761 --> 00:22:19,121
You don't see it, it's just
straight into the bank,
467
00:22:19,121 --> 00:22:20,401
and then all the money comes out,
468
00:22:20,401 --> 00:22:21,921
and it's just pretend, isn't it?
469
00:22:21,921 --> 00:22:24,281
- I quite often joke that
I think it's absolute myth
470
00:22:24,281 --> 00:22:26,201
that I actually get paid at all
471
00:22:26,201 --> 00:22:30,161
because I haven't seen any
money for some years now so.
472
00:22:31,481 --> 00:22:34,441
- In their 20s,
Paul and Sue sold up,
473
00:22:34,441 --> 00:22:38,161
bought an old van, and
travelled across Australia.
474
00:22:38,161 --> 00:22:39,961
- I think it
brought us closer together
475
00:22:39,961 --> 00:22:41,081
because we got to know each other
476
00:22:41,081 --> 00:22:43,241
and relied on each other so much.
477
00:22:44,561 --> 00:22:46,281
- When I was younger, I definitely wanted
478
00:22:46,281 --> 00:22:48,041
to move out of Melbourne.
479
00:22:48,041 --> 00:22:50,801
I would have only needed
that encouragement from Sue.
480
00:22:50,801 --> 00:22:54,241
If Susan had been exactly the
same, we wouldn't be here now.
481
00:22:55,321 --> 00:22:57,201
I think as I'm getting older,
482
00:22:57,201 --> 00:22:59,161
I'm more nervous about doing that.
483
00:23:01,761 --> 00:23:04,681
I still know there's a huge
amount of space out there,
484
00:23:04,681 --> 00:23:08,481
and I don't know why, but
obviously that's important to me.
485
00:23:10,561 --> 00:23:12,201
It's just such a beautiful country
486
00:23:12,201 --> 00:23:14,321
right down to even barren land.
487
00:23:17,801 --> 00:23:19,561
- What's the most
fun in life at the moment
488
00:23:19,561 --> 00:23:21,521
for the two of you?
489
00:23:21,521 --> 00:23:23,281
- I'd say Christmas holidays.
490
00:23:23,281 --> 00:23:24,801
- Yeah, Christmas holidays.
491
00:23:24,801 --> 00:23:26,081
- Down at the beach.
- Yeah.
492
00:23:26,081 --> 00:23:28,361
- With the kids, you
know, 'cause they kids love it.
493
00:23:28,361 --> 00:23:29,721
- We had a great summer this year,
494
00:23:29,721 --> 00:23:32,561
and we had a whole week of great weather.
495
00:23:32,561 --> 00:23:33,721
- It's what a family should be,
496
00:23:33,721 --> 00:23:37,481
and that's why it stands out I suppose.
497
00:23:41,321 --> 00:23:42,761
I mean, I guess I do feel middle-aged,
498
00:23:42,761 --> 00:23:44,961
but I'm sort of pretty
comfortable with it.
499
00:23:46,361 --> 00:23:47,681
I can always remember when I was younger,
500
00:23:47,681 --> 00:23:50,241
I always looked forward to getting older,
501
00:23:50,241 --> 00:23:54,841
and then even hopefully into
the 80s that even, you know.
502
00:23:54,841 --> 00:23:58,081
It's never been something
that's really worried me.
503
00:23:58,081 --> 00:23:58,921
- One of our ambitions
504
00:23:58,921 --> 00:24:00,561
was always just to grow old together.
505
00:24:00,561 --> 00:24:02,321
- That's true, we used to say that.
506
00:24:02,321 --> 00:24:03,481
- Yeah.
507
00:24:03,481 --> 00:24:08,041
I keep telling my children,
isn't it nice to be loved
508
00:24:08,041 --> 00:24:09,201
and to know that someone loves you.
509
00:24:09,201 --> 00:24:11,321
It must be really sad for people out there
510
00:24:11,321 --> 00:24:15,081
that have no one that
don't know they're loved,
511
00:24:15,081 --> 00:24:17,881
and each day, you know,
sometimes you're coming home,
512
00:24:17,881 --> 00:24:19,761
and you think, "Well,
they'll all be home,"
513
00:24:19,761 --> 00:24:21,561
and it's nice to just come home.
514
00:24:23,601 --> 00:24:26,841
- Some people from Africa come here,
515
00:24:26,841 --> 00:24:30,561
but when they go, they
put their clothes on.
516
00:24:32,641 --> 00:24:34,881
- Jackie, Lyn, and Sue
517
00:24:34,881 --> 00:24:36,601
all grew up in the East End of London
518
00:24:36,601 --> 00:24:38,921
and were friends in
the same junior school.
519
00:24:39,961 --> 00:24:41,561
- Well, I've never been abroad.
520
00:24:41,561 --> 00:24:42,401
- Neither have I.
521
00:24:42,401 --> 00:24:43,441
- I have, I have.
522
00:24:43,441 --> 00:24:45,321
- Oh yeah 'cause you went on that cruise.
523
00:24:45,321 --> 00:24:46,481
- Yeah.
524
00:24:46,481 --> 00:24:49,201
- I've had the opportunities
in life that I've wanted.
525
00:24:49,201 --> 00:24:51,161
- I'd say we've had more opportunities.
526
00:24:51,161 --> 00:24:52,721
- Yeah, right, you've made.
527
00:24:52,721 --> 00:24:55,281
I think that we all
could have gone any way
528
00:24:55,281 --> 00:24:58,761
that we wanted to at the
time within our capabilities.
529
00:24:58,761 --> 00:25:03,001
I mean, we chose our own jobs,
530
00:25:03,001 --> 00:25:06,121
we were able to choose
our own jobs quite freely.
531
00:25:06,121 --> 00:25:08,001
Well, we only had a limited choice anyway,
532
00:25:08,001 --> 00:25:09,881
I mean, truth be told.
533
00:25:09,881 --> 00:25:10,681
- Yes, we did have a choice.
- We didn't have the choice
534
00:25:10,681 --> 00:25:11,961
of private education
535
00:25:11,961 --> 00:25:12,801
- Oh, no.
- because they couldn't
536
00:25:12,801 --> 00:25:13,841
have afforded it anyway.
537
00:25:13,841 --> 00:25:15,801
I wish I had wanted something that bad
538
00:25:15,801 --> 00:25:16,961
that I had to go for it,
539
00:25:16,961 --> 00:25:20,281
and I hope, I really hope
my two want something
540
00:25:20,281 --> 00:25:23,401
and are hungry for it, you
know, and they'll go for it.
541
00:25:23,401 --> 00:25:25,401
I'd love that, you know.
542
00:25:25,401 --> 00:25:26,921
- They have, I think, different things,
543
00:25:26,921 --> 00:25:28,401
I mean, technology has taken off so much
544
00:25:28,401 --> 00:25:30,601
in the last 10 years.
545
00:25:32,281 --> 00:25:34,041
- Yes, computers.
- They have access
546
00:25:34,041 --> 00:25:36,721
to a lot more in some way,
547
00:25:36,721 --> 00:25:39,561
into an awful lot more than we had.
548
00:25:39,561 --> 00:25:41,561
I'm going to work at Woolworths.
549
00:25:41,561 --> 00:25:44,681
Well, I'm school Mobile
Librarian and assistant
550
00:25:44,681 --> 00:25:48,921
to the young people's office,
which is where we are now.
551
00:25:51,081 --> 00:25:54,001
- At 21, Lyn
had set out on a career
552
00:25:54,001 --> 00:25:57,201
working in a mobile library in
Tower Hamlets in East London.
553
00:25:57,201 --> 00:26:00,041
- I've not stamped
yours, "Sleeping Beauty."
554
00:26:01,001 --> 00:26:03,921
Teaching children the beauty of books
555
00:26:04,921 --> 00:26:08,561
and watching their faces
as books unfold to them
556
00:26:09,521 --> 00:26:10,961
is just fantastic.
557
00:26:10,961 --> 00:26:12,161
To work with children of that age,
558
00:26:12,161 --> 00:26:14,441
you've got to love them,
and I love children.
559
00:26:16,241 --> 00:26:18,561
- Because of cuts
in the education budget,
560
00:26:18,561 --> 00:26:21,481
Tower Hamlets closed the mobile library,
561
00:26:21,481 --> 00:26:23,441
and Lyn went to work in Bethnal Green.
562
00:26:24,681 --> 00:26:25,721
- One of the jobs that was going
563
00:26:25,721 --> 00:26:29,321
was divisional children's
librarian and they based me here.
564
00:26:30,481 --> 00:26:33,521
They hadn't had a children's
librarian here for nine years.
565
00:26:33,521 --> 00:26:35,801
You can draw better than I can.
566
00:26:36,721 --> 00:26:38,841
Right, the story I've
got for you this morning
567
00:26:38,841 --> 00:26:43,841
is called "The Magic Bicycle,"
and it's all about Mark.
568
00:26:45,041 --> 00:26:48,841
I do regularly class
visits with 19, 20 classes,
569
00:26:48,841 --> 00:26:51,801
more than that, coming in to the library.
570
00:26:51,801 --> 00:26:54,321
And within that, we do
either a storytelling session
571
00:26:54,321 --> 00:26:55,601
or library skills.
572
00:26:55,601 --> 00:26:57,801
"But he couldn't ride it."
573
00:27:01,361 --> 00:27:03,441
I've been a governor on schools
574
00:27:03,441 --> 00:27:06,001
in Tower Hamlets for 12, 13 years,
575
00:27:07,081 --> 00:27:09,121
being Chair of Governors at the moment.
576
00:27:10,161 --> 00:27:11,961
- I've had the parent on the phone
577
00:27:11,961 --> 00:27:14,881
two or three times this week
wondering what's happening.
578
00:27:14,881 --> 00:27:17,361
They wanted to come in and discuss with me
579
00:27:17,361 --> 00:27:20,441
and the coordinator about how
well the project was going
580
00:27:21,841 --> 00:27:23,321
and to observe a lesson.
581
00:27:23,321 --> 00:27:25,081
- We've got a few
problems with these knots.
582
00:27:25,081 --> 00:27:27,241
Can anyone think of another way?
583
00:27:27,241 --> 00:27:29,201
- Can you ever
see yourself not working?
584
00:27:29,201 --> 00:27:30,041
- No.
585
00:27:31,601 --> 00:27:32,481
I like the excitement.
586
00:27:32,481 --> 00:27:36,001
I like the push of filling my life.
587
00:27:38,041 --> 00:27:39,321
It's stimulating.
588
00:27:41,921 --> 00:27:44,521
There are times I go home,
I'm absolutely shattered.
589
00:27:46,721 --> 00:27:49,321
I go home, I go to sleep.
590
00:27:50,401 --> 00:27:54,241
- Well, I know he is
hers and he loves her.
591
00:27:54,241 --> 00:27:56,561
- I don't, I love him.
592
00:27:56,561 --> 00:27:58,241
- I had an all-white wedding.
593
00:27:58,241 --> 00:27:59,721
All white.
594
00:27:59,721 --> 00:28:02,481
We were both in white and
my bridesmaid was in white.
595
00:28:03,601 --> 00:28:06,721
I've been married a year
and couple of months.
596
00:28:08,241 --> 00:28:10,561
You do think, "Christ, what have I done?"
597
00:28:12,681 --> 00:28:13,961
- See, I've still got--
- And I'm being
598
00:28:13,961 --> 00:28:15,161
honest about it.
599
00:28:16,841 --> 00:28:17,681
And Russ thinks the same.
600
00:28:17,681 --> 00:28:21,001
You think at times, you think,
"Christ what have I done?"
601
00:28:22,201 --> 00:28:23,961
- Lyn married Russ at 19.
602
00:28:23,961 --> 00:28:27,001
They have two daughters Sarah and Emma.
603
00:28:27,001 --> 00:28:31,601
- We married young but
because we wanted to go out
604
00:28:31,601 --> 00:28:35,241
and have fun together and grow together.
605
00:28:37,001 --> 00:28:39,481
- How do you
manage to keep a career going
606
00:28:39,481 --> 00:28:41,441
and bring up a family?
607
00:28:41,441 --> 00:28:43,001
Hold a marriage together?
608
00:28:43,001 --> 00:28:45,441
- We've always had a
very good partnership.
609
00:28:45,441 --> 00:28:46,921
I couldn't do it without him.
610
00:28:48,921 --> 00:28:52,441
Russ cooks during the
week, I cook at weekends.
611
00:28:52,441 --> 00:28:54,241
It's not as if I'm going belting home
612
00:28:54,241 --> 00:28:56,801
because I've got to go and
cook a meal for everybody.
613
00:28:56,801 --> 00:28:59,121
I know that when I get
home, it's gonna be done.
614
00:29:00,721 --> 00:29:03,361
We're there together
and we love each other,
615
00:29:04,561 --> 00:29:05,801
and we've never stopped.
616
00:29:08,081 --> 00:29:10,481
If I could, I would have
two girls and two boys.
617
00:29:12,001 --> 00:29:13,521
- Yeah, right.
618
00:29:13,521 --> 00:29:15,521
- Used by a doctor in medicines
619
00:29:15,521 --> 00:29:17,481
and controlled doses is fine.
620
00:29:21,001 --> 00:29:25,241
50% of teenagers between
14 and 18 have tried drugs.
621
00:29:25,241 --> 00:29:27,481
- I think Emma is more like me.
622
00:29:27,481 --> 00:29:28,321
Sarah's much more placid.
623
00:29:28,321 --> 00:29:30,921
She's like Russ.
- The wrong drug is deadly.
624
00:29:30,921 --> 00:29:32,601
- With the girls in their teens now,
625
00:29:32,601 --> 00:29:35,601
I've looked back and thought
Emma is very much like I was.
626
00:29:35,601 --> 00:29:37,801
- Why am I using
a wooden spoon, please?
627
00:29:37,801 --> 00:29:38,601
- The noise.
628
00:29:38,601 --> 00:29:41,361
- The noise, yes, we've got
16 people, 16 saucepans.
629
00:29:44,521 --> 00:29:46,481
- I mean, Emma
has just done her GCSEs.
630
00:29:46,481 --> 00:29:50,161
She got 10 and gone back
to sixth form college,
631
00:29:50,161 --> 00:29:51,321
doing A Levels.
632
00:29:52,361 --> 00:29:54,761
She doesn't know what she wants to do.
633
00:29:54,761 --> 00:29:56,161
- Excuse me.
- Yup.
634
00:29:56,161 --> 00:29:57,681
- It is
wonderful, except we got--
635
00:29:57,681 --> 00:29:58,801
- She's got her own life now.
636
00:29:58,801 --> 00:30:02,361
She's building that life and
she's making her own decisions.
637
00:30:02,361 --> 00:30:05,121
- Thing about
Liverpool, we can drive so far.
638
00:30:06,481 --> 00:30:08,881
- We go through stages, the terrible twos.
639
00:30:11,241 --> 00:30:12,641
At the time, when you
are going through them,
640
00:30:12,641 --> 00:30:13,761
it seems terrible,
641
00:30:13,761 --> 00:30:15,481
they're never ever going
to end.
642
00:30:15,481 --> 00:30:16,321
Stir it.
643
00:30:16,321 --> 00:30:17,881
I know, sort of Mum and Dad would say,
644
00:30:17,881 --> 00:30:20,721
"Ah, but you know, don't
worry, that will go,
645
00:30:20,721 --> 00:30:23,161
"you'll come through it to the next stage
646
00:30:23,161 --> 00:30:24,001
"and the next stage".
647
00:30:24,001 --> 00:30:25,561
And I think it's ongoing like that.
648
00:30:27,321 --> 00:30:29,241
I'd love to be able to
talk to my mum and dad
649
00:30:29,241 --> 00:30:32,281
and say, "Really, did I
really put you through that?"
650
00:30:32,281 --> 00:30:35,361
I remember some of it,
and god, yes, I must have,
651
00:30:35,361 --> 00:30:37,001
but until you go through it with your own,
652
00:30:37,001 --> 00:30:38,761
you never, ever, realise
653
00:30:38,761 --> 00:30:40,721
what hell you put your parents through.
654
00:30:41,961 --> 00:30:45,361
- By the time she
was 35, Lyn's mother had died.
655
00:30:46,281 --> 00:30:48,841
- She was a great friend
to me as well as a mum,
656
00:30:48,841 --> 00:30:50,841
probably the best friend I'll ever have.
657
00:30:51,841 --> 00:30:53,521
It's only two years.
658
00:30:54,481 --> 00:30:55,681
To some, it probably seems,
659
00:30:55,681 --> 00:30:59,601
oh it's a long time,
but it's not very long.
660
00:31:02,161 --> 00:31:04,481
The biggest area of my life that's changed
661
00:31:04,481 --> 00:31:07,561
since we last talked is I lost my dad,
662
00:31:08,761 --> 00:31:13,721
and literally just after
34 Up went out, he died.
663
00:31:15,401 --> 00:31:18,681
I mean, they looked after
the girls while I worked.
664
00:31:18,681 --> 00:31:21,401
After mum died, the
first thing dad said was,
665
00:31:21,401 --> 00:31:23,481
"That's my job now".
666
00:31:23,481 --> 00:31:26,361
And of course, suddenly
we had neither of them.
667
00:31:27,561 --> 00:31:28,761
All right, watch it, you.
668
00:31:28,761 --> 00:31:30,801
- At 35, Lyn was having
669
00:31:30,801 --> 00:31:33,081
a health problem of her own.
670
00:31:33,081 --> 00:31:36,321
- They stuck all these tubes up inside me
671
00:31:36,321 --> 00:31:39,561
and discovered that I'd
got these veins up here
672
00:31:39,561 --> 00:31:41,481
that shouldn't be there.
673
00:31:41,481 --> 00:31:42,361
- In your brain?
674
00:31:42,361 --> 00:31:43,201
- Mm-hmm.
675
00:31:44,601 --> 00:31:46,321
- And what can they do about it?
676
00:31:46,321 --> 00:31:47,881
- Not a lot at the moment.
677
00:31:47,881 --> 00:31:53,361
They're investigating other treatments,
678
00:31:53,401 --> 00:31:55,881
but the surgeon said that
679
00:31:58,481 --> 00:32:01,521
he doesn't want to operate at
the moment because the risk,
680
00:32:01,521 --> 00:32:03,121
it's too near the optic nerve.
681
00:32:04,161 --> 00:32:05,241
Well, it's never gonna go away.
682
00:32:05,241 --> 00:32:09,921
I've still got this vein malformation,
683
00:32:09,921 --> 00:32:11,241
and it'll always be there.
684
00:32:11,241 --> 00:32:12,961
Obviously, I've had it from birth.
685
00:32:14,681 --> 00:32:15,841
Hello, Neil, it's Lyn.
686
00:32:15,841 --> 00:32:17,961
How'd it go last night, did
you manage to get into it?
687
00:32:17,961 --> 00:32:20,921
There is a 1% chance that
it could haemorrhage.
688
00:32:21,921 --> 00:32:25,361
I've got more chance being
knocked down crossing the street,
689
00:32:25,361 --> 00:32:30,361
and in that perspective, I
don't worry about it at all.
690
00:32:31,841 --> 00:32:32,841
Oh, it's just problems now.
691
00:32:32,841 --> 00:32:34,961
- And do you
think about dying a lot?
692
00:32:34,961 --> 00:32:36,921
- No, doesn't worry me at all.
693
00:32:37,841 --> 00:32:38,921
My dad taught me that.
694
00:32:39,841 --> 00:32:41,921
He wasn't scared of death at all,
695
00:32:41,921 --> 00:32:44,601
and it's the people that are left behind
696
00:32:47,801 --> 00:32:51,641
that take the brunt of someone dying.
697
00:32:52,641 --> 00:32:55,241
That one was, yes, so
they'll keep that back,
698
00:32:55,241 --> 00:32:56,841
and once the person that's reserved it.
699
00:32:56,841 --> 00:32:59,681
- Is there a
spiritual side to your life?
700
00:32:59,681 --> 00:33:00,521
- Yes.
701
00:33:01,441 --> 00:33:02,401
- Can you talk about that?
702
00:33:02,401 --> 00:33:03,441
- No.
703
00:33:03,441 --> 00:33:04,921
- Why?
704
00:33:04,921 --> 00:33:06,881
- It's private, it's personal, it's me.
705
00:33:08,241 --> 00:33:10,641
It's part of what makes
me up, makes me me.
706
00:33:13,041 --> 00:33:16,001
- Sometimes, things
are not good, are they?
707
00:33:16,001 --> 00:33:18,601
And I know that you
would've thought about that
708
00:33:18,601 --> 00:33:19,721
because at the moment.
709
00:33:20,681 --> 00:33:22,161
- Do you think morality
710
00:33:22,161 --> 00:33:23,281
has changed in your lifetime?
711
00:33:23,281 --> 00:33:28,161
- Yes, I think we've lost
an awful lot of morality.
712
00:33:29,161 --> 00:33:32,561
A lot of values in my opinion have gone.
713
00:33:35,641 --> 00:33:38,081
- Like what?
714
00:33:38,081 --> 00:33:38,921
- Respect.
715
00:33:40,681 --> 00:33:44,361
There seems to be a great
lack of respect for anything.
716
00:33:47,081 --> 00:33:48,921
I think that's what makes part of it hard
717
00:33:48,921 --> 00:33:52,961
bringing up children nowadays
because our values are so high
718
00:33:52,961 --> 00:33:56,521
and actually expecting them
to maintain those values.
719
00:33:57,721 --> 00:33:59,561
- Are you
asking too much of them?
720
00:33:59,561 --> 00:34:01,641
- You do expect a lot of them,
721
00:34:01,641 --> 00:34:06,441
but I think, I think I'm flexible as well.
722
00:34:07,921 --> 00:34:09,321
I'm learning when to let go.
723
00:34:11,161 --> 00:34:12,681
♪ If I say that I love you ♪
724
00:34:12,681 --> 00:34:16,321
- I mean, for me, I'm lucky,
yeah, everything's worked out.
725
00:34:18,961 --> 00:34:20,961
Unlike the girls, they've
lost a relationship,
726
00:34:20,961 --> 00:34:23,241
and then they've gained new ones for them.
727
00:34:23,241 --> 00:34:25,601
For them, that's the way
their lives have gone.
728
00:34:25,601 --> 00:34:26,441
- That's right.
729
00:34:26,441 --> 00:34:28,041
- Russ and I have been
together a long time.
730
00:34:28,041 --> 00:34:29,841
- I actually envy you that.
731
00:34:29,841 --> 00:34:31,001
- Of course, we both do.
732
00:34:31,001 --> 00:34:32,201
- I do envy you that
733
00:34:32,201 --> 00:34:37,161
because I don't know how,
whatever the reasoning behind it,
734
00:34:37,161 --> 00:34:41,401
you and Russ have made that work,
735
00:34:41,401 --> 00:34:43,481
and that was something that I failed at.
736
00:34:43,481 --> 00:34:46,001
- And me, yeah, it was
a failure, definitely.
737
00:34:46,001 --> 00:34:48,601
- If we did all love Geoffrey,
738
00:34:48,601 --> 00:34:50,081
and we all want to marry him.
739
00:34:50,081 --> 00:34:50,921
- Yeah!
740
00:34:50,921 --> 00:34:55,441
- I think I know the one that
he'd like best and that's her.
741
00:34:55,441 --> 00:35:00,001
- I don't think I'll
get married too early.
742
00:35:01,001 --> 00:35:02,241
I'd like to have a full life first
743
00:35:02,241 --> 00:35:03,841
and meet people
- I'd like to enjoy myself
744
00:35:03,841 --> 00:35:04,641
before I--
745
00:35:04,641 --> 00:35:07,841
- Yeah, before you commit
yourself to a family.
746
00:35:07,841 --> 00:35:12,161
- We had a teacher at school
that his favourite ploy
747
00:35:12,161 --> 00:35:16,441
was, "All you girls
want to do is walk out,
748
00:35:16,441 --> 00:35:18,841
"get married, have babies, and
push a pram down the street
749
00:35:18,841 --> 00:35:21,841
"with a fag hanging outside your mouth."
750
00:35:21,841 --> 00:35:23,201
- Marriage means a different thing to me.
751
00:35:23,201 --> 00:35:24,921
I've still got my ideals about marriage.
752
00:35:24,921 --> 00:35:26,561
I don't know what it's all about.
753
00:35:26,561 --> 00:35:29,841
- Sue was 24
when she married Billy.
754
00:35:29,841 --> 00:35:32,321
They had two children,
William and Katherine.
755
00:35:32,321 --> 00:35:34,041
- I think that to get married young,
756
00:35:34,041 --> 00:35:35,681
there must be things that you miss.
757
00:35:35,681 --> 00:35:40,161
You must miss that crucial
stage of being yourself
758
00:35:40,161 --> 00:35:41,481
because the minute you get married,
759
00:35:41,481 --> 00:35:44,161
you're no longer a single being,
760
00:35:44,161 --> 00:35:47,081
you're a partnership and that
should be the idea behind it.
761
00:35:48,361 --> 00:35:50,241
- By the time she was 34,
762
00:35:50,241 --> 00:35:52,561
she and Billy had divorced.
763
00:35:52,561 --> 00:35:54,281
- I've never sat down and thought,
764
00:35:55,801 --> 00:35:58,961
"What was it, was it this, was it that?"
765
00:35:58,961 --> 00:36:00,881
I just knew it wasn't working.
766
00:36:00,881 --> 00:36:02,121
I mean, there have been relationships
767
00:36:02,121 --> 00:36:05,761
when I could have settled, but
they didn't feel quite right,
768
00:36:05,761 --> 00:36:10,001
so I've always come away and pulled away
769
00:36:10,001 --> 00:36:13,441
and just waited until
the right one come along.
770
00:36:15,001 --> 00:36:16,041
If they ever do.
771
00:36:19,401 --> 00:36:22,321
Deep down I probably wish
I wasn't having to do this.
772
00:36:22,321 --> 00:36:23,801
I mean, I'd like to still be married,
773
00:36:23,801 --> 00:36:28,681
and I'd like to have
that steady relationship.
774
00:36:28,681 --> 00:36:29,961
But I'm the type of person
775
00:36:29,961 --> 00:36:32,001
that likes to go out and
likes to have a good time.
776
00:36:32,001 --> 00:36:34,201
So, it's not that hard for me.
777
00:36:34,201 --> 00:36:36,481
But I think as you get into your 40s,
778
00:36:36,481 --> 00:36:40,761
you start thinking, "Well,
maybe I should slow down a bit."
779
00:36:44,001 --> 00:36:46,281
I've been a single
parent for a long while,
780
00:36:46,281 --> 00:36:48,241
and I've brought them up on my own really
781
00:36:48,241 --> 00:36:51,561
because Katherine was
only two when Bill left.
782
00:36:51,561 --> 00:36:53,841
It's been extremely hard
783
00:36:53,841 --> 00:36:56,481
and sometimes it's been very lonely.
784
00:36:59,121 --> 00:37:00,041
- And do you think William
785
00:37:00,041 --> 00:37:01,521
misses not having a dad?
786
00:37:01,521 --> 00:37:02,481
- He probably does.
787
00:37:02,481 --> 00:37:05,281
He doesn't talk an awful lot about it.
788
00:37:05,281 --> 00:37:07,561
- It looks good.
- So, charming.
789
00:37:07,561 --> 00:37:09,481
- He seems so together.
790
00:37:09,481 --> 00:37:13,001
He's quite deep, so he
doesn't say an awful lot.
791
00:37:13,001 --> 00:37:16,081
He's got my dad, my dad's there.
792
00:37:16,081 --> 00:37:20,681
My children probably owe
a lot to my mum and dad.
793
00:37:20,681 --> 00:37:23,201
I mean, my mum and dad have
been absolutely brilliant.
794
00:37:25,681 --> 00:37:29,681
With William, I want him to
have a really satisfying career.
795
00:37:29,681 --> 00:37:30,521
Get your tie done.
796
00:37:30,521 --> 00:37:32,881
Which is something that I've really had.
797
00:37:32,881 --> 00:37:34,401
For him, I would love that.
798
00:37:34,401 --> 00:37:36,321
Well for both of them,
but particularly for him
799
00:37:36,321 --> 00:37:40,041
'cause he can go far if
he puts his mind to it.
800
00:37:40,041 --> 00:37:41,881
You know, he may go to university,
801
00:37:41,881 --> 00:37:44,441
we have talked about it if he does well.
802
00:37:44,441 --> 00:37:45,601
He's capable of it.
803
00:37:47,201 --> 00:37:48,961
With Katherine, she
talks about doing things
804
00:37:48,961 --> 00:37:51,321
like hairdressing and
girlie things, you know,
805
00:37:51,321 --> 00:37:54,121
'cause she doesn't really
know what she wants to do yet.
806
00:37:54,121 --> 00:37:56,441
She just wants to enjoy
herself at the moment.
807
00:37:57,561 --> 00:37:59,721
I can remember being the
same when I was her age.
808
00:37:59,721 --> 00:38:01,161
But she loves babies and she keeps saying,
809
00:38:01,161 --> 00:38:02,601
"Mum I want a," and I say,
810
00:38:02,601 --> 00:38:04,241
"Don't even think about it," you know.
811
00:38:04,241 --> 00:38:05,481
I hope not.
812
00:38:05,481 --> 00:38:07,881
It was very hard first of
all when I gave up work,
813
00:38:07,881 --> 00:38:12,881
from having a fairly high
salary to nothing was hard,
814
00:38:14,001 --> 00:38:15,561
but you get used to it.
815
00:38:15,561 --> 00:38:18,961
Whatever your circumstances
are, you live in them,
816
00:38:18,961 --> 00:38:21,681
you get used to them and
you cope, everybody does.
817
00:38:23,841 --> 00:38:25,081
- When her
children were old enough
818
00:38:25,081 --> 00:38:28,281
to go to school, Sue started work again.
819
00:38:28,281 --> 00:38:30,161
She has an office job in the Law Faculty
820
00:38:30,161 --> 00:38:31,441
of the University of London.
821
00:38:31,441 --> 00:38:33,241
- Can I please have an examination form?
822
00:38:33,241 --> 00:38:34,281
- Yeah, sure.
823
00:38:35,641 --> 00:38:39,481
I've always worked, but
anyone who's got teenagers
824
00:38:39,481 --> 00:38:40,801
knows how expensive it is,
825
00:38:40,801 --> 00:38:43,241
and there are times when
I can't quite manage
826
00:38:43,241 --> 00:38:44,601
what I'd like to do with them,
827
00:38:44,601 --> 00:38:47,441
especially school trips
and things like that.
828
00:38:47,441 --> 00:38:48,361
All right, thanks.
829
00:38:49,481 --> 00:38:50,481
Bye.
830
00:38:50,481 --> 00:38:51,761
I've got certain little savings,
831
00:38:51,761 --> 00:38:53,841
things that I do for them and policies
832
00:38:53,841 --> 00:38:55,561
and things that will
come out when they're 21
833
00:38:55,561 --> 00:38:58,401
and hopefully things that
when they get married
834
00:38:58,401 --> 00:39:00,321
or if they want a car.
835
00:39:00,321 --> 00:39:01,601
I mean, there are times that are hard
836
00:39:01,601 --> 00:39:02,721
when you are on your own.
837
00:39:12,641 --> 00:39:16,801
♪ Your guitar ♪
838
00:39:16,801 --> 00:39:20,041
♪ It sounds so sweetly ♪
839
00:39:21,601 --> 00:39:23,841
We've all got little secret dreams.
840
00:39:23,841 --> 00:39:26,681
I'd love to sing, along
with millions of others.
841
00:39:28,761 --> 00:39:31,921
♪ It's just the radio ♪
842
00:39:33,881 --> 00:39:37,121
But I didn't want to give up work,
843
00:39:37,121 --> 00:39:41,001
and I didn't want to risk
all that to follow the dream.
844
00:39:41,001 --> 00:39:43,321
♪ Said you'd be coming
back this way again, baby ♪
845
00:39:43,321 --> 00:39:45,361
There are still lots of
places that I want to go to.
846
00:39:45,361 --> 00:39:47,641
Lots of wild things that I want to do,
847
00:39:47,641 --> 00:39:49,001
jumping out of a plane.
848
00:39:49,001 --> 00:39:50,761
Silly things that you can do,
849
00:39:50,761 --> 00:39:52,561
but you just never seem to get round to.
850
00:39:52,561 --> 00:39:53,841
Just never seem to get round to it,
851
00:39:53,841 --> 00:39:56,881
but I think you should make sure you do.
852
00:39:58,481 --> 00:40:00,241
I'm just basically a happy person.
853
00:40:01,641 --> 00:40:03,201
I don't get upset in front of the kids,
854
00:40:03,201 --> 00:40:06,521
and that's important that I
don't ever want to upset them
855
00:40:06,521 --> 00:40:08,361
because there have been
times when I have been hurt
856
00:40:08,361 --> 00:40:10,961
over the last few years,
but I've done my best
857
00:40:10,961 --> 00:40:11,841
to keep that from them.
858
00:40:11,841 --> 00:40:12,921
They don't need that.
859
00:40:14,241 --> 00:40:16,281
♪ But you're not really here ♪
860
00:40:16,281 --> 00:40:18,761
I'm with someone now which is nice,
861
00:40:18,761 --> 00:40:21,441
it feels right, but it's early days yet.
862
00:40:23,481 --> 00:40:27,681
Regrets, everyone wants to be
a perfect parent, but I'm not.
863
00:40:29,481 --> 00:40:30,321
I do the best I can,
864
00:40:30,321 --> 00:40:32,001
and I can't say it's the worst part of me
865
00:40:32,001 --> 00:40:33,841
that I go out such a lot
866
00:40:33,841 --> 00:40:35,881
because I don't think that it hurts them.
867
00:40:37,121 --> 00:40:39,721
It's a completely different
lifestyle I've got
868
00:40:39,721 --> 00:40:41,081
to what my mum and dad had,
869
00:40:41,081 --> 00:40:42,921
but they are just so there for me,
870
00:40:42,921 --> 00:40:44,401
and they're more responsible
871
00:40:44,401 --> 00:40:46,521
for the way my kids are than I am.
872
00:40:46,521 --> 00:40:49,041
♪ I really do ♪
873
00:40:52,921 --> 00:40:54,721
- Sue.
874
00:40:54,721 --> 00:40:57,441
- I would like to get
married when I grow up,
875
00:40:59,241 --> 00:41:02,281
but I don't know what sort
of boy, but I think one
876
00:41:06,841 --> 00:41:08,481
that's not got a lot of money
877
00:41:08,481 --> 00:41:12,801
but has got some money, not a lot.
878
00:41:12,801 --> 00:41:15,401
- Have you got any boyfriends?
879
00:41:19,401 --> 00:41:21,481
- That's personal, innit?
880
00:41:24,281 --> 00:41:26,161
- Don't like the way
he came out with that.
881
00:41:26,161 --> 00:41:27,681
- We shan't tell him, shall we?
882
00:41:29,321 --> 00:41:31,481
- That was horrific really, the cake,
883
00:41:31,481 --> 00:41:34,041
what happened to the wedding cake.
884
00:41:34,041 --> 00:41:37,921
I mean, it was sitting right
in between Mick and myself,
885
00:41:37,921 --> 00:41:40,401
and suddenly the columns
just completely gave way
886
00:41:40,401 --> 00:41:42,281
and it fell into one.
887
00:41:43,321 --> 00:41:47,441
I would say on average,
19 is probably too young.
888
00:41:49,321 --> 00:41:51,281
- By the time she was 34,
889
00:41:51,281 --> 00:41:53,041
Jackie and Mick had divorced.
890
00:41:54,841 --> 00:41:58,841
- We decided ourselves, I mean,
just between the two of us,
891
00:41:58,841 --> 00:42:00,761
we knew it wasn't going any further.
892
00:42:02,481 --> 00:42:04,481
We both knew, I think,
at the end of the day,
893
00:42:04,481 --> 00:42:07,161
we would be happier leading our own lives.
894
00:42:07,161 --> 00:42:10,001
My mum 'cause she got five girls,
895
00:42:10,001 --> 00:42:12,521
she has seven years back luck,
896
00:42:12,521 --> 00:42:15,321
that's why she's got five girls.
897
00:42:15,321 --> 00:42:19,401
I'd like to be able to
have a happy family,
898
00:42:19,401 --> 00:42:22,481
I mean, I know it's not possible
to be happy all the time,
899
00:42:22,481 --> 00:42:24,801
but as much of the time that was possible.
900
00:42:25,681 --> 00:42:28,481
Go through there, that's
the nursery.
901
00:42:28,481 --> 00:42:29,881
- Got any plans?
902
00:42:29,881 --> 00:42:30,841
- Do me a favour.
903
00:42:31,841 --> 00:42:33,481
- She and Mick decided early on
904
00:42:33,481 --> 00:42:35,241
that they didn't want children.
905
00:42:35,241 --> 00:42:37,721
- Well, do you sometimes
feel like wringing his neck?
906
00:42:37,721 --> 00:42:41,081
- Basically, I would say
because I'm far too selfish.
907
00:42:41,081 --> 00:42:45,001
I enjoy doing what I want
when I want and how I want
908
00:42:45,001 --> 00:42:47,841
and certainly at the moment,
909
00:42:47,841 --> 00:42:51,721
I can't see any way around that.
910
00:42:52,721 --> 00:42:56,321
That's not to say that's
a forever decision.
911
00:42:56,321 --> 00:42:57,121
Oh!
912
00:42:59,161 --> 00:43:02,641
And this one on, here we go!
913
00:43:02,641 --> 00:43:03,721
Oh, yeah!
914
00:43:03,721 --> 00:43:07,561
I had a brief, but very
sweet relationship,
915
00:43:07,561 --> 00:43:09,241
the result of which was Charlie.
916
00:43:09,241 --> 00:43:10,321
Cor blimey, Charlie, you're supposed
917
00:43:10,321 --> 00:43:12,481
to be cleaning your teeth,
not eating the brush.
918
00:43:12,481 --> 00:43:14,361
It's the best thing that
could've happened to me,
919
00:43:14,361 --> 00:43:17,121
and I would never have believed
920
00:43:17,121 --> 00:43:20,481
I could've enjoyed a child
as much as I enjoy him.
921
00:43:20,481 --> 00:43:23,001
Anybody that wanted to know
just got told I was pregnant.
922
00:43:23,001 --> 00:43:25,281
I wasn't with the father, end of story.
923
00:43:26,201 --> 00:43:28,081
Oi, give us a cuddle.
924
00:43:28,081 --> 00:43:30,521
I don't really want Charlie to be an only.
925
00:43:30,521 --> 00:43:32,761
I'd love him to have brothers and sisters,
926
00:43:32,761 --> 00:43:33,841
but not necessarily loads of 'em,
927
00:43:33,841 --> 00:43:37,081
just one would do actually.
928
00:43:37,081 --> 00:43:38,201
Bed, Charlie Brown.
929
00:43:38,201 --> 00:43:39,761
Right, Charlie, there's yours.
930
00:43:42,481 --> 00:43:44,681
Please, eat it all up.
931
00:43:44,681 --> 00:43:46,361
- Oh!
932
00:43:46,361 --> 00:43:47,921
- And James.
933
00:43:47,921 --> 00:43:48,961
- Thanks, Mum.
934
00:43:48,961 --> 00:43:50,481
- Good boy.
935
00:43:50,481 --> 00:43:52,161
And last but not least.
936
00:43:55,281 --> 00:43:56,601
Gonna eat that one for me?
937
00:43:57,601 --> 00:43:58,881
- After her relationship
938
00:43:58,881 --> 00:44:00,721
with Charlie's father ended,
939
00:44:00,721 --> 00:44:03,241
she met Ian and had two more sons.
940
00:44:05,641 --> 00:44:07,881
Which one is the most
like you, do you think?
941
00:44:08,801 --> 00:44:12,161
- At the moment, personality
wise, probably James.
942
00:44:12,161 --> 00:44:15,441
He's the cheeky one, he's
the one full of confidence.
943
00:44:15,441 --> 00:44:19,001
Charlie's the quieter one,
Charlie's the grown up.
944
00:44:19,001 --> 00:44:21,521
Lee's an absolute bullet.
945
00:44:21,521 --> 00:44:23,241
If he wants to do
something, he just does it,
946
00:44:23,241 --> 00:44:28,241
I mean, no fear of anything,
but they are all good boys.
947
00:44:29,681 --> 00:44:31,681
You can take them almost anywhere.
948
00:44:31,681 --> 00:44:33,881
- Almost?
- Almost anywhere, yeah.
949
00:44:35,681 --> 00:44:37,321
- And what is the most fun?
950
00:44:37,321 --> 00:44:39,721
- The little things
that they come out with.
951
00:44:39,721 --> 00:44:42,201
The shear unexpected pleasure of them.
952
00:44:43,281 --> 00:44:45,401
I don't know, it's
really hard to describe,
953
00:44:45,401 --> 00:44:50,241
but they come up with so
many different comments.
954
00:44:50,241 --> 00:44:51,201
- Finished.
955
00:44:55,681 --> 00:44:57,401
- This is actually
a place called Newmains,
956
00:44:57,401 --> 00:45:00,321
which is about a 40-minute
drive from Glasgow,
957
00:45:00,321 --> 00:45:02,721
about 15-minute drive from Motherwell.
958
00:45:02,721 --> 00:45:05,041
- So, how did you land up here?
959
00:45:05,041 --> 00:45:07,361
- Well, because the boys dad's Scottish,
960
00:45:07,361 --> 00:45:08,721
and this is his hometown,
961
00:45:10,241 --> 00:45:14,041
and we decided that, I mean,
Charlie was what, five,
962
00:45:14,041 --> 00:45:16,681
about to start school,
and it was now or never.
963
00:45:16,681 --> 00:45:18,001
If we hadn't moved then,
964
00:45:18,001 --> 00:45:20,601
I don't think we would ever have done it,
965
00:45:20,601 --> 00:45:22,401
but obviously, I am glad that we did.
966
00:45:22,401 --> 00:45:23,881
There's a lot more here for the boys.
967
00:45:23,881 --> 00:45:26,441
They've got a lot more freedom here.
968
00:45:29,041 --> 00:45:31,601
The way the people treat each
other and talk to each other,
969
00:45:31,601 --> 00:45:36,001
it's more like a village and
that's a good advert, I think.
970
00:45:36,001 --> 00:45:36,841
A very good advert,
971
00:45:36,841 --> 00:45:39,761
I like it far more than I ever did London.
972
00:45:45,521 --> 00:45:47,921
- Not long after
settling in Scotland,
973
00:45:47,921 --> 00:45:50,001
Ian and Jackie split up.
974
00:45:50,001 --> 00:45:51,481
- Thank you.
975
00:45:51,481 --> 00:45:52,361
- We're now living on our own,
976
00:45:52,361 --> 00:45:53,881
although he is a regular visitor
977
00:45:53,881 --> 00:45:55,721
and sees the children quite often.
978
00:45:58,401 --> 00:45:59,721
- Lee!
979
00:45:59,721 --> 00:46:00,881
- When any couple parts,
980
00:46:00,881 --> 00:46:03,401
and I don't care how good
or how bad the terms are.
981
00:46:03,401 --> 00:46:04,801
- Lee!
982
00:46:04,801 --> 00:46:08,681
- There's always a
tendency for recrimination,
983
00:46:08,681 --> 00:46:11,921
you know, just the usual
petty, this was your fault,
984
00:46:11,921 --> 00:46:15,001
this was, you know, and
blaming each other and that,
985
00:46:15,001 --> 00:46:18,121
and it took us a long while to realise
986
00:46:18,121 --> 00:46:20,481
just how much the boys
were listening to us.
987
00:46:23,041 --> 00:46:24,881
They could so easily
have grown up thinking
988
00:46:24,881 --> 00:46:27,761
that it was their fault and it wasn't,
989
00:46:27,761 --> 00:46:30,081
not in any way, shape, or form.
990
00:46:30,081 --> 00:46:32,641
They just happened to be
the unlucky victims of it.
991
00:46:34,041 --> 00:46:35,761
- What would you do if
you had lots of money,
992
00:46:35,761 --> 00:46:38,401
about maybe two pounds?
993
00:46:38,401 --> 00:46:42,401
- I would buy meself a new
nice house, wouldn't I?
994
00:46:42,401 --> 00:46:45,201
One that's all nice and comfy.
995
00:46:45,201 --> 00:46:46,041
When Ian and I split up,
996
00:46:46,041 --> 00:46:48,241
I actually went into
temporary accommodation,
997
00:46:49,161 --> 00:46:51,241
and I got housed a couple
of miles from here,
998
00:46:51,241 --> 00:46:53,401
but that was furnished
999
00:46:53,401 --> 00:46:56,441
because I didn't have
anything to take with me.
1000
00:46:58,361 --> 00:47:02,641
I was there seven weeks and
they offered me this one,
1001
00:47:02,641 --> 00:47:04,081
and with the help of family and friends
1002
00:47:04,081 --> 00:47:07,401
and word goes out, "Jackie
is needing some stuff,"
1003
00:47:07,401 --> 00:47:09,841
and it all just suddenly arrived.
1004
00:47:09,841 --> 00:47:12,081
The poor, if you don't help them,
1005
00:47:12,081 --> 00:47:16,041
they'll sort of die soon, wouldn't they?
1006
00:47:16,041 --> 00:47:19,881
I think it might be a bit
low on the ground, the snow.
1007
00:47:19,881 --> 00:47:22,041
I don't think there's
enough there, do you?
1008
00:47:23,281 --> 00:47:24,841
I don't cope financially.
1009
00:47:24,841 --> 00:47:28,361
Without my mother-in-law
stepping in to fill the gap,
1010
00:47:28,361 --> 00:47:29,521
I wouldn't be coping.
1011
00:47:32,241 --> 00:47:35,041
It's really hard to explain to anyone
1012
00:47:35,041 --> 00:47:38,641
who's not had to do it, but you may,
1013
00:47:38,641 --> 00:47:42,281
you get to a point where either
that bill doesn't get paid
1014
00:47:42,281 --> 00:47:43,441
or your children don't eat.
1015
00:47:43,441 --> 00:47:45,561
So obviously. your children eat,
1016
00:47:45,561 --> 00:47:47,761
which means that either my
mother-in-law pays the bill,
1017
00:47:47,761 --> 00:47:50,041
or she makes sure that my
food's in for the following week
1018
00:47:50,041 --> 00:47:54,601
so I can pay the bills, but
it's not easy to live like it.
1019
00:47:56,001 --> 00:47:57,721
Say, "Come on, swans!"
1020
00:47:57,721 --> 00:47:59,521
She's brilliant.
1021
00:48:01,041 --> 00:48:02,401
If I could have chosen a mother-in-law,
1022
00:48:02,401 --> 00:48:04,801
she was the one I would have chosen.
1023
00:48:04,801 --> 00:48:05,801
She's great for me.
1024
00:48:05,801 --> 00:48:08,481
She's absolutely brilliant
with the children,
1025
00:48:08,481 --> 00:48:12,801
and she's just always there
when I need her to be.
1026
00:48:12,801 --> 00:48:15,481
Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, you leave him alone.
1027
00:48:15,481 --> 00:48:17,201
At the moment, I mean,
1028
00:48:17,201 --> 00:48:20,401
a career's probably about the
furthest thing from my mind.
1029
00:48:20,401 --> 00:48:22,121
I don't really know what I'm aiming for
1030
00:48:22,121 --> 00:48:24,401
except to get the house together.
1031
00:48:24,401 --> 00:48:27,521
My father had a reasonably good education.
1032
00:48:27,521 --> 00:48:29,841
He never went to the local comprehensive,
1033
00:48:29,841 --> 00:48:34,841
but at the same time, I don't
think he was too worried
1034
00:48:35,681 --> 00:48:37,921
which way I decided to go.
1035
00:48:37,921 --> 00:48:40,001
Oh, I've no doubts I could have done more.
1036
00:48:43,841 --> 00:48:44,881
Certainly when I was younger,
1037
00:48:44,881 --> 00:48:47,401
it was probably laziness that stopped me.
1038
00:48:47,401 --> 00:48:48,241
Oh!
1039
00:48:48,241 --> 00:48:49,081
When we did the last programme,
1040
00:48:49,081 --> 00:48:50,521
I think there was actually a comment
1041
00:48:50,521 --> 00:48:52,001
my father made at the time
1042
00:48:52,001 --> 00:48:54,841
was maybe he should have
pushed me a little bit harder.
1043
00:48:54,841 --> 00:48:58,521
And I think maybe in
retrospect, he should have done,
1044
00:48:59,681 --> 00:49:01,321
and that's probably the one thing
1045
00:49:01,321 --> 00:49:04,161
that I will do with mine
that he didn't do with me.
1046
00:49:04,161 --> 00:49:06,881
I think I should push 'em
just that little bit harder.
1047
00:49:08,241 --> 00:49:10,801
James, you watch, you're
catching up to him.
1048
00:49:10,801 --> 00:49:11,921
Go on, Lee.
1049
00:49:11,921 --> 00:49:14,161
I was working up here until very recently,
1050
00:49:15,241 --> 00:49:18,881
but they've discovered that
I've got rheumatoid arthritis,
1051
00:49:18,881 --> 00:49:21,561
so at the moment, that's put work on hold.
1052
00:49:23,401 --> 00:49:25,001
It's painful, very painful,
1053
00:49:25,001 --> 00:49:27,481
particularly my hands, my
feet, and my shoulders.
1054
00:49:28,361 --> 00:49:31,681
It can be almost crippling at times.
1055
00:49:33,081 --> 00:49:35,241
I get tired, and that
obviously makes life awkward
1056
00:49:35,241 --> 00:49:36,481
at home with the children.
1057
00:49:36,481 --> 00:49:38,161
- I wanna see.
1058
00:49:38,161 --> 00:49:39,001
- No, you're not.
1059
00:49:39,001 --> 00:49:40,761
Well, there is certainly no cure.
1060
00:49:40,761 --> 00:49:42,881
At the moment, they're trying to stem it
1061
00:49:42,881 --> 00:49:44,521
so that it gets no worse.
1062
00:49:46,241 --> 00:49:48,041
Whether we're having much success at that,
1063
00:49:48,041 --> 00:49:49,281
it's still quite early days,
1064
00:49:49,281 --> 00:49:50,481
so I really don't know at the moment.
1065
00:49:50,481 --> 00:49:53,241
I certainly don't feel
that great at the moment.
1066
00:49:57,881 --> 00:49:58,721
Are we ready?
1067
00:49:59,801 --> 00:50:02,841
One, two, three, go!
1068
00:50:03,961 --> 00:50:06,521
Swimming is one of the
best things for arthritis.
1069
00:50:06,521 --> 00:50:08,801
It can help as long as
you don't overdo it,
1070
00:50:08,801 --> 00:50:12,001
but having said that,
I'll pay for it tomorrow.
1071
00:50:12,001 --> 00:50:13,361
I'll be stiff tomorrow.
1072
00:50:18,761 --> 00:50:21,201
I shouldn't really lift Lee.
1073
00:50:21,201 --> 00:50:23,081
If Lee wants a cuddle,
he should sit on my lap,
1074
00:50:23,081 --> 00:50:25,081
and I should cuddle him on my lap,
1075
00:50:25,081 --> 00:50:27,601
but how do you tell a four-year-old,
no you can't lift them.
1076
00:50:27,601 --> 00:50:30,081
I mean, I can't stop being his mum
1077
00:50:30,081 --> 00:50:31,361
just because I'm not well.
1078
00:50:36,321 --> 00:50:38,281
- Do you
remember those scenes at 21
1079
00:50:38,281 --> 00:50:40,921
when you were showing them round the house
1080
00:50:40,921 --> 00:50:42,481
at East Chiltern.
- East Chiltern, yeah.
1081
00:50:42,481 --> 00:50:44,081
- Boy, we've gone
a long way, haven't we?
1082
00:50:44,081 --> 00:50:44,921
- Just a bit.
1083
00:50:44,921 --> 00:50:47,921
Oh god, in fact, don't flash back to that
1084
00:50:47,921 --> 00:50:50,001
at this point please.
1085
00:50:50,001 --> 00:50:51,881
Just the double chins and the age,
1086
00:50:51,881 --> 00:50:55,121
and I mean, the funny part about is
1087
00:50:55,121 --> 00:50:56,161
is that you don't think about your age
1088
00:50:56,161 --> 00:50:58,721
until you think about something like that.
1089
00:50:58,721 --> 00:51:02,161
I mean, when you think about
how many years ago that was,
1090
00:51:02,161 --> 00:51:04,361
and it was all so new and fresh.
1091
00:51:05,601 --> 00:51:07,081
I mean, I've done exactly the same now.
1092
00:51:07,081 --> 00:51:09,201
I've just started all over again,
1093
00:51:09,201 --> 00:51:11,241
but with three children in tow this time.
1094
00:51:12,321 --> 00:51:13,881
But that's life.
1095
00:51:13,881 --> 00:51:15,881
- So much
hope then, wasn't there?
1096
00:51:15,881 --> 00:51:17,161
- There still is.
1097
00:51:18,041 --> 00:51:19,081
Oh, there still is.
1098
00:51:19,081 --> 00:51:20,601
Don't make that mistake, Mike.
1099
00:51:20,601 --> 00:51:21,841
I am in no way,
1100
00:51:23,481 --> 00:51:25,681
I am down and I am
depressed about my illness,
1101
00:51:25,681 --> 00:51:28,441
but I'm certainly not down
and depressed about my life.
1102
00:51:29,681 --> 00:51:33,481
Nothing's gonna do that, I've
got three wonderful boys.
1103
00:51:33,481 --> 00:51:36,201
I've got a loving family around me.
1104
00:51:36,201 --> 00:51:37,801
I mean, I'm lucky.
1105
00:51:37,801 --> 00:51:38,641
There are a lot of people
1106
00:51:38,641 --> 00:51:41,241
that are a damn sight worse
off than I am, a lot of people.
1107
00:51:44,441 --> 00:51:46,961
- Well, we pretend we've got swords,
1108
00:51:46,961 --> 00:51:49,721
and we make the noises
of the swords fighting,
1109
00:51:49,721 --> 00:51:52,161
and when somebody stabs us, we go, "Argh."
1110
00:51:54,201 --> 00:51:56,561
- Neil grew up
in a Liverpool suburb.
1111
00:51:58,241 --> 00:52:00,561
- In the winter, if you
live in the country,
1112
00:52:00,561 --> 00:52:03,001
well it was just all wet and
there wouldn't be anything
1113
00:52:03,001 --> 00:52:08,001
for miles around and you'd get
soaked if you tried to go out
1114
00:52:08,961 --> 00:52:11,801
and there's no shelter anywhere
except in your own house.
1115
00:52:11,801 --> 00:52:15,561
But in the town, you can
go out on wet wintry days
1116
00:52:15,561 --> 00:52:17,761
'cause you can always
find somewhere to shelter
1117
00:52:17,761 --> 00:52:19,921
'cause there's lots of places.
1118
00:52:19,921 --> 00:52:22,321
- At 14, he was at
a local comprehensive school.
1119
00:52:22,321 --> 00:52:25,201
- I think it's a very good
idea to have competition,
1120
00:52:25,201 --> 00:52:26,561
otherwise you might start to relax really,
1121
00:52:26,561 --> 00:52:27,761
and not try hard enough.
1122
00:52:29,321 --> 00:52:30,841
Being in Set One, it's very, very hard
1123
00:52:30,841 --> 00:52:32,241
to keep up with the leaders.
1124
00:52:33,161 --> 00:52:35,081
I never have the time to relax at all.
1125
00:52:36,361 --> 00:52:38,601
- Neil had
dreams of going to Oxford,
1126
00:52:38,601 --> 00:52:40,001
but he didn't get in.
1127
00:52:40,001 --> 00:52:42,121
Instead, he went to Aberdeen University
1128
00:52:42,121 --> 00:52:44,481
but dropped out after a term.
1129
00:52:44,481 --> 00:52:47,361
At 21, he was living on a building site
1130
00:52:47,361 --> 00:52:49,201
and living in a squat.
1131
00:52:49,201 --> 00:52:50,201
- I came to London
1132
00:52:50,201 --> 00:52:54,561
and I contacted an agency for squatters,
1133
00:52:54,561 --> 00:52:57,681
and they were able to give me the address
1134
00:52:57,681 --> 00:53:00,801
of somebody who was able to help people
1135
00:53:00,801 --> 00:53:03,521
who were looking for
accommodation in the London area.
1136
00:53:04,801 --> 00:53:06,881
- You kicked
against the stability.
1137
00:53:08,121 --> 00:53:11,801
- I don't think I ever had any
stability to be quite honest.
1138
00:53:12,961 --> 00:53:15,881
I can't think of any time
in my life when I ever did.
1139
00:53:15,881 --> 00:53:17,761
I don't think I've been
kicking against anything.
1140
00:53:17,761 --> 00:53:20,441
I think I've been kicking in
mid-air the whole of my life.
1141
00:53:22,161 --> 00:53:24,241
- At 28, he was homeless
1142
00:53:24,241 --> 00:53:26,481
wandering around the
west coast of Scotland.
1143
00:53:28,201 --> 00:53:30,441
- If the state
didn't give us any money,
1144
00:53:30,441 --> 00:53:32,361
it would probably just mean crime,
1145
00:53:32,361 --> 00:53:35,161
and I'm glad I don't have to
steal to keep myself alive.
1146
00:53:37,281 --> 00:53:40,001
If the money runs out,
well then for a few days,
1147
00:53:40,001 --> 00:53:42,601
there's nowhere to go to
and that's all you can do.
1148
00:53:42,601 --> 00:53:45,481
I simply have to find the
warmest shed I can find.
1149
00:53:46,921 --> 00:53:48,881
- How do people regard you here?
1150
00:53:50,441 --> 00:53:52,881
- Well, I'm still known as an eccentric,
1151
00:53:54,641 --> 00:53:58,441
as I have been since
about the age of 16 or so.
1152
00:54:00,721 --> 00:54:02,481
I'm not claiming that I feel
1153
00:54:02,481 --> 00:54:06,121
as though I'm in some sort of Nirvana,
1154
00:54:06,121 --> 00:54:08,561
but I'm claiming that if I was living
1155
00:54:08,561 --> 00:54:11,361
in a bedsit in suburbia,
I'd be so miserable,
1156
00:54:11,361 --> 00:54:12,961
I'd feel like cutting my throat.
1157
00:54:14,041 --> 00:54:17,241
- At 35, we found
him living on a council estate
1158
00:54:17,241 --> 00:54:20,361
in the most northerly part of
Britain, the Shetland Islands.
1159
00:54:21,361 --> 00:54:23,521
- The nice thing about here is
that you can cut yourself off
1160
00:54:23,521 --> 00:54:26,481
when you want because there
are people living around,
1161
00:54:26,481 --> 00:54:28,081
but they're pretty quiet people.
1162
00:54:29,041 --> 00:54:31,521
It's an environment which sustains me,
1163
00:54:31,521 --> 00:54:33,121
it's one in which I can survive.
1164
00:54:34,241 --> 00:54:36,761
I still feel my real place is in the world
1165
00:54:36,761 --> 00:54:38,921
where people are doing what
the majority of people do.
1166
00:54:38,921 --> 00:54:40,881
And the reason I don't feel safe is
1167
00:54:40,881 --> 00:54:42,241
because I think I'm getting more and more
1168
00:54:42,241 --> 00:54:44,641
used to this lifestyle,
1169
00:54:45,561 --> 00:54:47,641
which eventually, I shall have to give up.
1170
00:54:49,401 --> 00:54:51,161
- And what would
you like to be doing,
1171
00:54:51,161 --> 00:54:53,161
say, in seven years?
1172
00:54:53,161 --> 00:54:54,401
- I can think of all kinds of things
1173
00:54:54,401 --> 00:54:55,241
that I'd like to be doing.
1174
00:54:55,241 --> 00:54:58,761
The real question is what
am I likely to be doing.
1175
00:55:05,761 --> 00:55:07,401
- What are
you likely to be doing?
1176
00:55:07,401 --> 00:55:09,441
- And that's a horrible question.
1177
00:55:10,841 --> 00:55:13,241
I tend to think most likely the answer
1178
00:55:13,241 --> 00:55:16,841
is I'll be wandering homeless
around the streets of London,
1179
00:55:16,841 --> 00:55:19,081
but with a bit of luck, that won't happen.
1180
00:55:24,601 --> 00:55:27,561
Some of the considerable disadvantages
1181
00:55:27,561 --> 00:55:30,441
that residents of
Trowbridge state area have
1182
00:55:30,441 --> 00:55:33,161
in comparison with those
in other parts of Hackney,
1183
00:55:34,001 --> 00:55:36,881
first of all, they are
geographically isolated.
1184
00:55:36,881 --> 00:55:39,961
They're separated from
most of Hackney by--
1185
00:55:39,961 --> 00:55:41,961
- At 42, he's a Liberal Democrat
1186
00:55:41,961 --> 00:55:44,081
member of Hackney Council.
1187
00:55:44,081 --> 00:55:45,601
He was elected two years ago.
1188
00:55:47,681 --> 00:55:49,561
- While I was in Shetland,
I felt very strongly
1189
00:55:49,561 --> 00:55:52,241
that I should become involved in politics
1190
00:55:52,241 --> 00:55:54,441
simply because I felt I
was not achieving anything
1191
00:55:54,441 --> 00:55:57,041
in the ways I really wanted to,
1192
00:55:57,041 --> 00:56:00,161
and I could see decisions
being made politically
1193
00:56:00,161 --> 00:56:02,961
by people I felt were not
competent to make them
1194
00:56:02,961 --> 00:56:04,881
and who I felt were not representing
1195
00:56:04,881 --> 00:56:07,481
the majority of the
public and I felt angry.
1196
00:56:07,481 --> 00:56:10,481
And I felt in my own small
way, I gotta get in there.
1197
00:56:10,481 --> 00:56:12,521
And I think more people should.
1198
00:56:12,521 --> 00:56:14,561
I think that it's only apathy
1199
00:56:14,561 --> 00:56:16,721
which leads to bad
government at any level.
1200
00:56:18,481 --> 00:56:20,001
- It's like a million miles away
1201
00:56:20,001 --> 00:56:21,201
from the Shetlands here.
1202
00:56:21,201 --> 00:56:22,561
How have you coped with that?
1203
00:56:22,561 --> 00:56:24,121
- That is one aspect of it.
1204
00:56:24,121 --> 00:56:28,321
Certainly adjusting to London
after all that period away,
1205
00:56:28,321 --> 00:56:30,561
even though I'd been back
occasionally for visits,
1206
00:56:30,561 --> 00:56:32,281
was extremely difficult.
1207
00:56:32,281 --> 00:56:34,081
It became progressively easier.
1208
00:56:34,081 --> 00:56:36,561
The first six hours were
an absolute nightmare,
1209
00:56:36,561 --> 00:56:38,401
and then the first week was pretty bad,
1210
00:56:38,401 --> 00:56:41,561
and I suppose it took me
a year or so to adjust.
1211
00:56:45,321 --> 00:56:46,801
I suppose, I would.
1212
00:56:46,801 --> 00:56:49,481
Yes, well, I would like to be somebody
1213
00:56:49,481 --> 00:56:50,841
in a position of importance.
1214
00:56:50,841 --> 00:56:52,441
I've always thought this,
1215
00:56:53,401 --> 00:56:55,001
but I don't think I'm
the right sort of person
1216
00:56:55,001 --> 00:56:56,521
to carry the responsibility
for whatever it is.
1217
00:56:56,521 --> 00:56:58,441
I've always though well I'd love to be,
1218
00:57:00,681 --> 00:57:05,121
possibly love to be in politics
or something like this.
1219
00:57:05,121 --> 00:57:09,481
The question of longterm
sickly delegation,
1220
00:57:09,481 --> 00:57:11,721
as you'll be aware, Chair,
the Liberal Democrats oppose.
1221
00:57:11,721 --> 00:57:13,881
- Do you have any
nerves when you stand up
1222
00:57:13,881 --> 00:57:17,761
and give speeches or make
arguments or defend positions?
1223
00:57:17,761 --> 00:57:19,641
- Yes, of course, and if I
didn't, it would be wrong,
1224
00:57:19,641 --> 00:57:23,121
and the councillor who has no
nerves is not doing his job.
1225
00:57:25,081 --> 00:57:27,921
It becomes slightly easier
after the first time,
1226
00:57:27,921 --> 00:57:29,961
and I'm glad you didn't
record my first speech
1227
00:57:29,961 --> 00:57:32,241
because most of the chamber walked out,
1228
00:57:32,241 --> 00:57:35,161
and I determined like
Disraeli to say something,
1229
00:57:35,161 --> 00:57:37,001
like well, "You're not listening now,
1230
00:57:37,001 --> 00:57:38,721
"but one day, you will hear me."
1231
00:57:38,721 --> 00:57:40,081
But unfortunately, most of the chamber
1232
00:57:40,081 --> 00:57:43,161
had already walked out, so it
was hardly worth saying that,
1233
00:57:43,161 --> 00:57:44,161
and also, I didn't believe
1234
00:57:44,161 --> 00:57:46,081
that it would necessarily be the case.
1235
00:57:48,281 --> 00:57:51,001
Well, I'm going to take
people to the country
1236
00:57:51,001 --> 00:57:54,641
and sometimes take them to the seaside,
1237
00:57:54,641 --> 00:57:57,921
and I'll have a big
loudspeaker in the motor coach
1238
00:57:57,921 --> 00:58:02,601
and tell them whereabouts we
are and what we're going to do
1239
00:58:02,601 --> 00:58:07,361
and what the name of the
road is and all about that.
1240
00:58:07,361 --> 00:58:09,481
- Do the days seem long for you?
1241
00:58:09,481 --> 00:58:10,681
- They can do.
1242
00:58:16,441 --> 00:58:18,441
- Do you have
any friends anywhere?
1243
00:58:18,441 --> 00:58:20,521
- I've some good friends still in England.
1244
00:58:20,521 --> 00:58:23,921
Father God, we thank you for the love
1245
00:58:23,921 --> 00:58:27,041
that you show to us all in creation.
1246
00:58:28,241 --> 00:58:31,001
We pray that that love may grow
1247
00:58:31,001 --> 00:58:34,801
and take root wherever Bruce and Penny
1248
00:58:34,801 --> 00:58:37,321
find themselves from now on.
1249
00:58:37,321 --> 00:58:39,481
We pray that you will give them both
1250
00:58:39,481 --> 00:58:41,841
understanding and patience.
1251
00:58:41,841 --> 00:58:45,281
- I think it was just
after the 28 programme.
1252
00:58:45,281 --> 00:58:46,881
There was organised a dinner
1253
00:58:46,881 --> 00:58:49,441
just to say farewell to everybody really.
1254
00:58:50,961 --> 00:58:51,801
I don't think the idea
1255
00:58:51,801 --> 00:58:54,881
was that we would get to know
each other and become friends
1256
00:58:54,881 --> 00:58:57,201
and see each other in the meanwhile,
1257
00:58:57,201 --> 00:58:59,801
but I think Neil turned
up without much notice.
1258
00:58:59,801 --> 00:59:00,801
I can't really remember.
1259
00:59:00,801 --> 00:59:01,641
- I came down from Scotland.
1260
00:59:01,641 --> 00:59:02,841
- Okay, right.
1261
00:59:02,841 --> 00:59:06,321
And I don't think
anywhere had been arranged
1262
00:59:06,321 --> 00:59:07,161
for him to stay.
1263
00:59:07,161 --> 00:59:09,241
I think there was for all those,
1264
00:59:09,241 --> 00:59:10,921
you know, I'm not exactly
sure what happened,
1265
00:59:10,921 --> 00:59:14,081
and I said, "Well, you can
always kip on my spare bed."
1266
00:59:16,121 --> 00:59:17,481
- I think that the time
1267
00:59:17,481 --> 00:59:20,281
between my moving to London from Shetland
1268
00:59:20,281 --> 00:59:22,081
and actually finding my
own accommodation in London
1269
00:59:22,081 --> 00:59:24,361
must have been round about two months,
1270
00:59:24,361 --> 00:59:26,281
and all that time I stayed with Bruce.
1271
00:59:28,001 --> 00:59:29,601
- And was that difficult?
1272
00:59:29,601 --> 00:59:30,841
- Not at all.
1273
00:59:30,841 --> 00:59:32,241
He was the model host,
1274
00:59:32,241 --> 00:59:34,841
although he did always insist on measuring
1275
00:59:34,841 --> 00:59:37,641
the amount of bathwater
there was in the bath.
1276
00:59:37,641 --> 00:59:41,441
I'm not quite sure why that
was, I never actually found out.
1277
00:59:41,441 --> 00:59:44,041
- I hope you don't mind me
saying this, but you know,
1278
00:59:44,041 --> 00:59:47,841
like he'd find the fridge a
bit noisy, so he'd turn it off.
1279
00:59:47,841 --> 00:59:50,681
Or if I had to hoover, he'd
walk round the block or.
1280
00:59:50,681 --> 00:59:53,201
- Well, I didn't basically stay in.
1281
00:59:53,201 --> 00:59:54,721
- No, no, no, no, that's true.
1282
00:59:54,721 --> 00:59:59,401
- No, I accept that I wasn't
the model lodger in every way
1283
00:59:59,401 --> 01:00:01,441
and however that only emphasises
1284
01:00:01,441 --> 01:00:02,281
how patient you actually were.
1285
01:00:02,281 --> 01:00:03,121
- No.
1286
01:00:04,081 --> 01:00:06,401
- How has Bruce helped you?
1287
01:00:06,401 --> 01:00:08,841
- Well, he has just been
a good loyal friend,
1288
01:00:08,841 --> 01:00:12,001
and I appreciate what he has tried,
1289
01:00:12,001 --> 01:00:14,321
done to help me to set up in London
1290
01:00:14,321 --> 01:00:19,001
and just been someone to talk
to when the need has arisen.
1291
01:00:19,001 --> 01:00:21,681
When I grow up, I want to be an astronaut.
1292
01:00:21,681 --> 01:00:25,481
If I can't be an astronaut, I
think I'll be a coach driver.
1293
01:00:26,321 --> 01:00:27,161
This is probably linked up
1294
01:00:27,161 --> 01:00:28,161
with the fact now that I want to travel.
1295
01:00:28,161 --> 01:00:30,441
I mean, my thoughts haven't
really changed that much,
1296
01:00:30,441 --> 01:00:32,721
but I definitely would like
to be a coach driver now.
1297
01:00:34,841 --> 01:00:36,761
I've trained to be a teacher
1298
01:00:36,761 --> 01:00:38,921
of English as a foreign language.
1299
01:00:38,921 --> 01:00:41,401
I've been on a number of training courses,
1300
01:00:41,401 --> 01:00:42,641
and I did an Open University degree.
1301
01:00:42,641 --> 01:00:45,281
That was perhaps the longest of all.
1302
01:00:47,601 --> 01:00:49,321
It was an Open University BA.
1303
01:00:51,321 --> 01:00:53,041
I took a number of subjects.
1304
01:00:55,321 --> 01:00:56,921
This is all background I suppose
1305
01:00:56,921 --> 01:00:58,521
and really perhaps you'd like to know
1306
01:00:58,521 --> 01:01:01,321
whether I've done any
work and the answer is no.
1307
01:01:01,321 --> 01:01:02,801
- Another one?
- There you are.
1308
01:01:02,801 --> 01:01:04,921
There will be plenty
in the next few weeks.
1309
01:01:04,921 --> 01:01:05,841
- I know all about.
1310
01:01:05,841 --> 01:01:07,961
- All Neil's
political work is voluntary,
1311
01:01:07,961 --> 01:01:10,601
like the canvassing he did
for the Liberal Democrats
1312
01:01:10,601 --> 01:01:12,721
at last year's Winchester By-Election.
1313
01:01:12,721 --> 01:01:13,561
- Thanks.
1314
01:01:13,561 --> 01:01:15,761
- He lives
entirely off State Benefit.
1315
01:01:17,481 --> 01:01:18,921
- I haven't had any paid work
1316
01:01:18,921 --> 01:01:21,841
apart from a couple of
interim government schemes.
1317
01:01:21,841 --> 01:01:25,321
I worked in a local community
theatre for about six months.
1318
01:01:26,561 --> 01:01:29,201
I worked as a gardener, fairly inevitably.
1319
01:01:30,241 --> 01:01:31,881
- Does it worry
you, living off benefits,
1320
01:01:31,881 --> 01:01:32,961
living off the state?
1321
01:01:32,961 --> 01:01:33,881
- Yeah, of course.
1322
01:01:34,961 --> 01:01:36,681
I feel as I am a drain on people
1323
01:01:36,681 --> 01:01:38,761
who are working hard to provide the money.
1324
01:01:38,761 --> 01:01:39,841
It's not that I don't think
1325
01:01:39,841 --> 01:01:41,681
there shouldn't be a benefit service.
1326
01:01:42,721 --> 01:01:44,641
I think there should be work for all
1327
01:01:44,641 --> 01:01:47,001
or for as many who want to do it,
1328
01:01:47,001 --> 01:01:51,041
and I'm not satisfied with
efforts that have been made
1329
01:01:51,041 --> 01:01:53,401
to provide work for those who want it.
1330
01:01:54,361 --> 01:01:58,081
When I get married, I don't
want to have any children
1331
01:01:58,081 --> 01:02:02,201
because they're always
doing naughty things
1332
01:02:02,201 --> 01:02:04,761
and making the whole house untidy.
1333
01:02:06,121 --> 01:02:08,121
I don't know what the best
age is for falling in love
1334
01:02:08,121 --> 01:02:10,921
and maybe when you're
in love in your teens,
1335
01:02:10,921 --> 01:02:11,761
you really are in love
1336
01:02:11,761 --> 01:02:14,481
and when you think you're in
love later on, you're not.
1337
01:02:14,481 --> 01:02:18,121
Or maybe I'm still not old
enough to really fall in love.
1338
01:02:19,361 --> 01:02:23,361
I always told myself that I
would never have children.
1339
01:02:25,961 --> 01:02:27,481
- Why?
1340
01:02:27,481 --> 01:02:32,401
- Because, because, well because children
1341
01:02:32,401 --> 01:02:34,681
inherit something from their parents,
1342
01:02:34,681 --> 01:02:38,521
and even if my wife were
the most high-spirited
1343
01:02:38,521 --> 01:02:41,561
and ordinary and normal of people,
1344
01:02:41,561 --> 01:02:44,401
the child would still
stand a very fair chance
1345
01:02:44,401 --> 01:02:48,721
of being not totally full of happiness
1346
01:02:48,721 --> 01:02:52,681
because of what he or she
will have inherited from me.
1347
01:02:54,641 --> 01:02:55,761
Well, I'm not married.
1348
01:02:57,001 --> 01:02:59,241
I value all experience,
1349
01:02:59,241 --> 01:03:03,641
and I feel this part of
my life hasn't happened.
1350
01:03:05,001 --> 01:03:08,561
I'm not homosexual, therefore I do hanker
1351
01:03:08,561 --> 01:03:10,881
after a stable relationship with a woman.
1352
01:03:10,881 --> 01:03:13,001
I have never been able to achieve that,
1353
01:03:13,001 --> 01:03:16,841
and I think I'm somehow
deficient in my ability
1354
01:03:18,641 --> 01:03:20,961
to react to certain of the needs of others
1355
01:03:20,961 --> 01:03:23,641
through not having had that relationship.
1356
01:03:26,001 --> 01:03:30,641
I feel, especially sometimes
when I'm on my own,
1357
01:03:30,641 --> 01:03:33,401
that I'm losing touch with
the way other people live.
1358
01:03:35,721 --> 01:03:38,441
- Do you
worry about your sanity?
1359
01:03:42,081 --> 01:03:44,081
- Other people sometimes worry about it.
1360
01:03:45,481 --> 01:03:46,361
- Like who?
1361
01:03:51,081 --> 01:03:55,241
- As I said, I sometimes
can be found behaving
1362
01:03:55,241 --> 01:03:57,641
in an erratic fashion.
1363
01:03:58,481 --> 01:03:59,921
Sometimes get very frustrated,
1364
01:03:59,921 --> 01:04:02,561
very angry for no apparent reason.
1365
01:04:02,561 --> 01:04:04,241
For a reason which won't be apparent
1366
01:04:04,241 --> 01:04:06,321
to other people around me.
1367
01:04:06,321 --> 01:04:08,321
- Do you ever
think you're going mad?
1368
01:04:08,321 --> 01:04:10,041
- Oh, I don't think it, I know it.
1369
01:04:16,201 --> 01:04:19,041
We don't like to use the word mad.
1370
01:04:21,161 --> 01:04:23,841
I think most people are mad here really.
1371
01:04:23,841 --> 01:04:26,241
My health has been a
lot better more recently
1372
01:04:26,241 --> 01:04:27,921
than at other times in my life.
1373
01:04:27,921 --> 01:04:32,201
Maybe being busy has
been part of the cure.
1374
01:04:36,001 --> 01:04:41,001
And I think my Christian
faith has helped me.
1375
01:04:41,681 --> 01:04:44,481
- I can actually say, now,
many thanks for the prayers.
1376
01:04:44,481 --> 01:04:46,441
They were really nice,
they were thoughtful.
1377
01:04:46,441 --> 01:04:50,321
- I also believe as my
friends who have been so loyal
1378
01:04:50,321 --> 01:04:52,881
have got to know me
more better and better,
1379
01:04:52,881 --> 01:04:55,121
and there is always room for
getting to know people better,
1380
01:04:55,121 --> 01:04:58,401
that they themselves have
been able to show support
1381
01:04:58,401 --> 01:05:01,121
and sympathy in the most appropriate ways.
1382
01:05:04,081 --> 01:05:05,921
- Is this a
good time in your life?
1383
01:05:05,921 --> 01:05:07,641
- Yes, probably, I've never been busier,
1384
01:05:07,641 --> 01:05:10,201
and I've never been in
contact with so many people.
1385
01:05:11,361 --> 01:05:12,481
- Now, the one thing I do have say
1386
01:05:12,481 --> 01:05:14,121
is please put all the leaflets
1387
01:05:14,121 --> 01:05:15,841
right through the letterboxes.
1388
01:05:15,841 --> 01:05:18,081
- I feel incredibly
grateful for the opportunity
1389
01:05:18,081 --> 01:05:19,681
to do what I'm doing.
1390
01:05:19,681 --> 01:05:21,721
I'm grateful to the
people that elected me.
1391
01:05:21,721 --> 01:05:23,721
I hope I haven't let them down.
1392
01:05:25,961 --> 01:05:27,401
I hope I will be re-elected,
1393
01:05:27,401 --> 01:05:30,761
and that depends on my
performance in the last two years.
1394
01:05:32,001 --> 01:05:34,881
- In May, he was
re-elected for another term.
1395
01:05:36,561 --> 01:05:38,161
- I don't think there's a
councillor in the country
1396
01:05:38,161 --> 01:05:39,921
who wouldn't like to
see themselves as an MP,
1397
01:05:39,921 --> 01:05:41,721
and yet they say every politician
1398
01:05:41,721 --> 01:05:43,681
wants to be Prime Minister.
1399
01:05:43,681 --> 01:05:45,761
But I'm quite happy at the moment
1400
01:05:45,761 --> 01:05:48,121
doing my council work trying to serve
1401
01:05:48,121 --> 01:05:51,681
what I perceive is a very
great need in Hackney.
1402
01:05:51,681 --> 01:05:53,761
Well, I suppose I've done many more things
1403
01:05:54,961 --> 01:05:57,481
than on previous occasions,
1404
01:05:57,481 --> 01:06:01,121
but whether I've changed
inside, I can't say.
1405
01:06:06,881 --> 01:06:08,761
- What's the most
enjoyable thing in life
1406
01:06:08,761 --> 01:06:10,601
for you at the moment?
1407
01:06:10,601 --> 01:06:12,801
- I think it's
looking to the future.
1408
01:06:17,881 --> 01:06:20,841
- Well, that's a
change for the better, isn't it?
1409
01:06:21,721 --> 01:06:24,241
- Well, perhaps that's just
because I'm getting old.
1410
01:06:29,121 --> 01:06:30,601
I think it's me believing that things
1411
01:06:30,601 --> 01:06:34,081
can't be so bad in the future
as they have been in the past,
1412
01:06:36,281 --> 01:06:39,161
and I think there are
certain short-term objectives
1413
01:06:39,161 --> 01:06:40,721
I have here in Hackney,
1414
01:06:40,721 --> 01:06:45,481
and if I can achieve a few of
those, then I'll be pleased.
1415
01:06:48,801 --> 01:06:50,001
- Wee!
1416
01:06:55,441 --> 01:06:57,401
- What effect has it had on you
1417
01:06:57,401 --> 01:06:59,321
being in these films, do you think?
1418
01:06:59,321 --> 01:07:02,081
- It's funny because before
the films start, you think,
1419
01:07:02,081 --> 01:07:04,561
what on earth have I
done with the seven years
1420
01:07:04,561 --> 01:07:05,561
that I could possibly say.
1421
01:07:05,561 --> 01:07:07,441
What can I talk about that I've done,
1422
01:07:07,441 --> 01:07:09,281
and you panic, you think, "I
should have done something.
1423
01:07:09,281 --> 01:07:10,761
"I should have done something dramatic."
1424
01:07:10,761 --> 01:07:13,481
You know, I was hoping I'd
win the lottery last night
1425
01:07:13,481 --> 01:07:18,201
so that I could come on and
say, but life's not like that.
1426
01:07:18,201 --> 01:07:20,161
- Well, I mean we were talking
1427
01:07:20,161 --> 01:07:21,041
about my ambitions as a scientist.
1428
01:07:21,041 --> 01:07:22,921
I mean, my ambition as a scientist
1429
01:07:22,921 --> 01:07:24,761
is to be more famous for doing science
1430
01:07:24,761 --> 01:07:25,841
than for being in this film,
1431
01:07:25,841 --> 01:07:27,681
but unfortunately, Michael,
it's not gonna happen.
1432
01:07:27,681 --> 01:07:30,081
- I have met some of the
most interesting people
1433
01:07:30,081 --> 01:07:32,081
who I am still in contact with,
1434
01:07:32,081 --> 01:07:34,921
and this includes people in
different parts of the world.
1435
01:07:36,801 --> 01:07:39,401
And one or two particularly
close friendships
1436
01:07:39,401 --> 01:07:42,521
have been forged through the programme.
1437
01:07:42,521 --> 01:07:43,361
Although I had to say,
1438
01:07:43,361 --> 01:07:46,561
I was very suspicious when
the initial contact was made.
1439
01:07:46,561 --> 01:07:47,561
- I mean, I don't think I'd ever
1440
01:07:47,561 --> 01:07:48,761
have kept a record of my life
1441
01:07:48,761 --> 01:07:52,441
in the way that we have
with this programme so, yes,
1442
01:07:52,441 --> 01:07:55,361
I mean, I enjoyed doing it, but it's not,
1443
01:07:56,441 --> 01:07:59,081
it's not something that sort
of takes a great precedence.
1444
01:07:59,081 --> 01:08:01,001
- If you came and asked me
1445
01:08:01,001 --> 01:08:03,001
if you could do this to my children,
1446
01:08:03,001 --> 01:08:04,641
I certainly wouldn't be enthusiastic.
1447
01:08:04,641 --> 01:08:05,601
I think it's something
1448
01:08:05,601 --> 01:08:10,601
that I wouldn't want to wish
on someone particularly.
1449
01:08:11,521 --> 01:08:15,241
- I think for the first 40-odd years,
1450
01:08:15,241 --> 01:08:20,241
it's restricted me because I
was always shy to start with
1451
01:08:21,001 --> 01:08:23,521
and knowing that people
were gonna be looking at me
1452
01:08:23,521 --> 01:08:27,241
and watching me, rather than do something
1453
01:08:27,241 --> 01:08:30,921
that's gonna look stupid, I've
always pulled myself back.
1454
01:08:30,921 --> 01:08:32,921
- There's a lot of baggage
that gets stirred up
1455
01:08:32,921 --> 01:08:35,601
every seven years for
me that I find quite,
1456
01:08:35,601 --> 01:08:38,761
that I find very hard to deal with,
1457
01:08:38,761 --> 01:08:41,001
and I can put it away for the seven years,
1458
01:08:41,001 --> 01:08:42,201
and then it comes round again,
1459
01:08:42,201 --> 01:08:44,001
and the whole lot comes
tumbling out again,
1460
01:08:44,001 --> 01:08:46,441
and I have to deal with it all over again.
1461
01:08:46,441 --> 01:08:49,681
- It hasn't changed my choices in life.
1462
01:08:49,681 --> 01:08:52,361
I haven't though, "Well, I
have to be doing this by then,"
1463
01:08:52,361 --> 01:08:55,481
or, "How will this seem
to others," or so on.
1464
01:08:55,481 --> 01:08:58,681
It's just a kind of
periodic little intrusion.
1465
01:08:58,681 --> 01:09:01,521
- It's the only time,
when you're a cabbie,
1466
01:09:01,521 --> 01:09:03,401
instead of you picking up a celebrity
1467
01:09:03,401 --> 01:09:06,521
and saying "Hello you're
Paul Gasgoigne, ain't ya?"
1468
01:09:06,521 --> 01:09:07,921
And when they go, "I know you,"
1469
01:09:07,921 --> 01:09:10,481
and they turn the tables on you, you know.
1470
01:09:10,481 --> 01:09:11,561
- And do you like that?
1471
01:09:11,561 --> 01:09:14,161
- It's not a question of
like it, I'm used to it.
1472
01:09:14,161 --> 01:09:15,961
I don't mind it.
- You do like it.
1473
01:09:15,961 --> 01:09:18,401
- It has to be said that I bitterly regret
1474
01:09:18,401 --> 01:09:20,321
that the headmaster of the school
1475
01:09:20,321 --> 01:09:21,481
where I was when I was seven
1476
01:09:21,481 --> 01:09:25,841
pushed me forward for this
series because every seven years,
1477
01:09:25,841 --> 01:09:29,601
a little pill of poison is injected into.
1478
01:09:29,601 --> 01:09:30,441
- Oh no.
1479
01:09:31,361 --> 01:09:32,721
- Well, it's the truth.
1480
01:09:32,721 --> 01:09:36,001
- Being honest, I think
despite all the things
1481
01:09:36,001 --> 01:09:37,681
that I might have said over the years
1482
01:09:37,681 --> 01:09:39,841
about, "Oh, coming again" and that sort,
1483
01:09:39,841 --> 01:09:41,561
I think there's a certain amount
1484
01:09:41,561 --> 01:09:44,201
of excitement there too underlying,
1485
01:09:44,201 --> 01:09:46,561
I'm old enough to
admit it now I suppose.
1486
01:09:46,561 --> 01:09:47,401
You know?
1487
01:09:47,401 --> 01:09:50,041
No, it probably is a bit
of good fun, I think.
1488
01:09:50,041 --> 01:09:52,961
- Some of us don't see family
from one year to the next,
1489
01:09:52,961 --> 01:09:55,201
seven years on, and I think
that's how we all feel
1490
01:09:55,201 --> 01:09:58,841
about each other, but we're
linked and that can never go.
1491
01:10:00,761 --> 01:10:03,841
- At the end of
their very special day in London
1492
01:10:03,841 --> 01:10:06,921
after their trip to the zoo and the party,
1493
01:10:06,921 --> 01:10:09,921
we took our children to
an adventure playground
1494
01:10:09,921 --> 01:10:12,361
where they could do just what they liked.
1495
01:10:14,721 --> 01:10:17,601
Those from the children's home
set about building a house.
1496
01:10:30,001 --> 01:10:30,841
There's Nicholas.
1497
01:10:38,081 --> 01:10:39,161
There's Tony.
1498
01:10:45,841 --> 01:10:46,681
Andrew.
1499
01:10:52,401 --> 01:10:53,201
And Bruce.
1500
01:11:02,281 --> 01:11:03,121
Suzi.
1501
01:11:10,401 --> 01:11:12,041
Jackie and her friends.
1502
01:11:18,361 --> 01:11:21,201
Give me a child until he is seven,
1503
01:11:21,201 --> 01:11:23,121
and I will give you the man.
1504
01:11:31,841 --> 01:11:35,801
This has been a glimpse
of Britain's future.
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