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On September 11th, 2001, the United
States was attacked in New York City and
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Washington, D .C.
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The entire world was shocked.
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Al -Qaeda, a terrorist group in
Afghanistan led by a certain bin Laden,
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responsibility for the attack.
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Just two days earlier, on September 9th,
he had his only opponent assassinated.
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A local hero in the Afghan resistance,
Commander Ahmad Shah Massoud.
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I remember Massoud saying, there's
someone here who's very dangerous to
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It's bin Laden.
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Five months before the September 11th
attacks, while on a visit to France,
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Commander Massoud had warned the rest of
the world.
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He told us he only had one message for
us, and it was that Osama bin Laden was
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preparing a huge strike against the
United States.
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something extremely dangerous.
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Massoud's message was loud and clear, so
why did no one listen?
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Was it the trade agreements or the arms
sales to Pakistan that made the USA and
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other Western countries look the other
way?
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Why did they refuse to help this man,
the last line of defense against the
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Taliban and the terrorists?
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After ten years of war, to gain control
of Afghanistan, the Soviets finally gave
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up and left in 1989.
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When Kabul's communist regime crumbled
three years later, the country found
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itself in a civil war between rebels
from various ethnic groups.
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Tajiks, Uzbeks, Hazaras, and Pashtuns.
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Afghanistan spiraled into total chaos.
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This ethnic civil war gave rise to a new
movement, the Taliban.
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In Pashtun language, Taleb literally
means a theology student.
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The Taliban are Islamic fundamentalists
who study religion.
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Their supreme leader was Mullah Mohammed
Omar, a hardcore fundamentalist who
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welcomed into his ranks terrorists from
Saudi Arabia and Yemen, al -Qaeda
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jihadists, and their leader, Osama bin
Laden.
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In September 1996, the Taliban seized
Kabul and most of the country.
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imposing a tyrannical Islamic regime and
Sharia law.
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Only one man dared resist, a Tajik from
the Panjshir Valley, Commander Ahmad
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Shah Massoud, who was famous for having
defeated the Red Army during the Soviet
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occupation.
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Isolated in these mountains, he led a
northern alliance that struggled to
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the Taliban.
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I was pretty good in school, and I went
to the Sansevier Military Academy.
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I spent three great years in France's
finest school, receiving a military
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education, but also learning
engineering, history, and geography, the
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needed to understand the modern world.
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That's how I started my career as a
military officer in the French Army.
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But after several disappointments, I
decided to resign in 1999 and became a
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civilian again.
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I thought the fight in Afghanistan with
Massoud fighting the Taliban and Al
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-Qaeda was a noble cause.
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So I went to Afghanistan to join the
adventure.
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I introduced myself to Massoud as a
former French officer.
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and told him about the time I had been
on a diving mission where we planted
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mines under boats and sabotaged
propellers.
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And he made a joke about how the Taliban
didn't have any boats.
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And then I said something that finally
caught his attention, which was that I
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was a certified French commando
instructor.
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It turns out that Massoud had a team of
commandos.
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a group that was a mix of both young and
experienced people.
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He gathered them for me at a training
camp and said, You're a commando
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instructor. Here you go. Do your thing
and teach them whatever you want. You
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have carte blanche.
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At that time, I think we had about 15
,000 fighters on the various fronts.
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We were up against 10 times as many men,
but we resisted. The Taliban were well
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equipped and had a lot of support from
Pakistan who wanted them to take over
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country.
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Armed by Pakistan and supported by al
-Qaeda fighters, the Taliban quickly
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gained control of 90 % of Afghan
territory.
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In the heart of their oppressive regime,
a single French representative remained
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in office in Kabul, the chargé d
'affaires Jean -Yves Berthaud.
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I had a position with the United Nations
Assistance Mission in Afghanistan, or
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UNSMA, which was there to try to
establish peace in a country that was
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completely ripped apart back then.
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I continued to do my job in Afghanistan,
but I also became the sarge d
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'affaires, which roughly coincided with
the Taliban unfortunately taking control
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of the country.
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We were the last European country to
have an embassy in Kabul.
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I will never forget one of the first
diplomatic telegrams I received when I
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arrived at the ministry.
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which was the report from the newly
appointed French chargé d 'affaires,
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-Yves Berthaud, in Kabul.
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It said, I arrived in Kabul this
morning, and as I approached the city
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I noticed a garland hanging over the
road.
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As I got closer, I saw the garland was
made of hands.
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He went on to explain that punishment
for theft was the loss of a hand, and
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those severed hands were hung up on
display by the regime's thugs.
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Many Westerners had a false
understanding of diplomacy in the
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years, thinking through some sort of
Western triumphalism that we only talk
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people who shared our values.
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And that's absurd.
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Diplomacy exists for exactly the
opposite reason.
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It's designed as an alternative to war
for addressing conflicts.
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It's based on being open to dialogue
with anyone and everyone to understand
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their position.
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Then you adjust the level of talks,
their symbolism, the image they convey.
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But once we understood the level of
control the Taliban had in Afghanistan,
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there was no way we could get involved,
even if we thought we should be helping
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Massoud without being in contact with
the Taliban.
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The moment they arrived in Kabul in
1996, the Taliban publicly hanged ex
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-president Najibullah and his brother.
It was an introduction to their barbaric
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interpretation of the Quran.
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While the religious students virtuously
claim to be bringing back peace, this
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comes at a huge cost to the 17 million
Afghans in the country.
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The mullah professes to be fighting vice
with virtue and does so by imposing the
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most obscurantist and inhumane Islamic
system on the planet.
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My name is Marui Kalmudin, and I'm
currently the leader of the
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Islamic movement in Afghanistan.
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I was the Taliban's minister for the
propagation of virtue and the prevention
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vice. My goal was to heavily promote
virtue until all vices disappeared
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naturally.
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We never wanted to directly or brutally
intervene.
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That's why we trained people, young
people.
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They went to the mosques in small groups
to raise awareness and warn against all
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types of temptations.
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This was necessary to get uneducated
people to follow Islamic precepts.
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We needed to teach them to abandon their
vices.
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and renounce everything that Islam
prohibits.
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The Taliban delegation that we invited
to Islamabad for peace
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negotiations stayed in a small
guesthouse next to our offices.
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It so happened that the UN mission
leader's secretary was staying
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in the same guesthouse.
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She came in the next morning looking
very tired because the Taliban in the
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room had been watching porn until four
in the morning, and this poor lady had
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been unable to sleep.
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That helped us understand that at the
end of the day, the Taliban were still
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human beings made of flesh and blood,
and that their piety, despite what they
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claimed, was not above a certain number
of temptations.
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The Taliban are terrorists.
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They don't believe in peace.
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Their philosophy is to create eternal
war.
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They view jihad as a religious
principle, an Islamic obligation that
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Taliban to fight constantly.
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Otherwise, they believe they'll be lost
to sin.
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They believe that jihad guarantees them
entry to heaven and that God will grant
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them mercy.
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The Taliban have absolutely nothing in
common with the Afghan people or Afghan
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society.
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Pakistan, backed by Western nations and
an ally of the U .S., wanted to control
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Afghanistan. It was in Pakistan's
Quranic schools that the Taliban were
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trained.
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Pakistan was the Taliban's major
supporter.
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The Pakistanis thought it would be good
to have a regime that they controlled in
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Kabul.
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But they quickly realized they didn't
really control it at all.
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Sometimes their puppets were out of
control.
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And in our meetings with the Pakistanis,
we asked them to rein in the Taliban,
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and they said it wasn't that easy,
because of course they were
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Pakistan, the historic enemy of
neighboring India, had always feared
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trapped between two hostile countries.
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Trained in the US or the UK, the
Pakistani officials and military leaders
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at reigning supreme over the region.
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This meant that they needed to be
heavily armed, which is how they became
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preferred client of the US.
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The Americans didn't really have a
counterpart in Afghanistan.
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They knew they couldn't really recognize
the Taliban regime.
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They couldn't be associated with it.
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The American vision of Afghanistan was
what was seen through Pakistani eyes.
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Pakistan was an ally of the United
States and told them that the Taliban
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simply part of traditional Afghan
culture and that they needed to accept
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fact.
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Massoud was simply a panchiri, a Tajik,
a group that didn't mean much and that
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had never ruled Afghanistan.
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They weren't a proper solution to lead
the country.
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The Pakistanis didn't have a good
relationship with Commander Massoud.
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They knew that Ahmed Shah Massoud would
never recognize a Pakistani puppet
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government.
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The Pakistanis saw that as resistance
and as direct opposition to them. It's
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true because my brother would never have
accepted a pro -Pakistan government in
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Kabul, and that's the real reason why
the United States never helped him,
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regardless of what they claimed.
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That was the context in which Europe
tried to make some progress by setting
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visit with European deputies from France
and Belgium.
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I remember when the parliamentary
representatives visited Panjshir.
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In June 2000, a European parliamentary
delegation travelled to Panjshir to meet
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Commander Massoud, leading the charge
with General Philippe Morillon.
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who had previously served as commander
of UN forces in the former Yugoslavia
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was a well -established peace advocate.
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The man who instigated the visit was a
longtime friend of Commander Massoud,
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Bertrand Gallet, who sought to raise
political awareness about the Afghan
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conflict.
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I think that Pakistan, I'm convinced
that Pakistan's goal is
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a lot more religious in nature than it
is geographical.
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whose much talked about in Afghanistan
these days, was trained by the Americans
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back in the day.
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They can't deny it.
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It's in that context that he took
control of all the big madrasas,
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Quranic schools.
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The resistance is much bigger than that.
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It encompasses everyone who is Tajik,
Pashtun, Hazara, and anyone else who
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understands the threat.
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They all oppose it.
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From this moment forward, all
ethnicities need to unite against the
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invasion. We're living in the 21st
century, and globalization is bringing
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closer together.
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No one could continue to exist in
isolation without any contact from the
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outside. It's a natural phenomenon.
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With a tolerant and moderate Islam, our
people can live in peace both internally
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and within the international community.
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I wore a pacol, like a local.
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I speak the language, and since I didn't
use French in front of them, they
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thought I was Afghan, which suited me
just fine.
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I attended a number of those meetings.
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Massoud wasn't a fool, he was sharp.
What he needed, above all else, was
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military support.
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If an intellectual or a politician
rallied behind him for their own
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interests, so be it. What mattered...
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was that they showed up and brought back
a vision that counteracted what many
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others in Paris were thinking.
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But in the Western world, in the U .S.,
in Europe alike, arms dealer lobbyists
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were numerous and powerful, and Pakistan
was quite the client. In that regard,
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Massoud was a problem.
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Massoud was very good. He convinced them
easily.
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We'll see where that leads in political
terms, but I think we're slowly moving
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forward.
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A country like Afghanistan is so far
removed from the current concerns of
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European parliamentary representatives,
but this is how we'll get things to
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evolve, through trips like this one.
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They're tedious to put together, but
they're productive.
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Safe travels home.
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My heart is here with you.
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So we'll be back.
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We'll be back to bring you to Paris.
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And to Washington.
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Then when Morion got back to Strasbourg,
he convinced Nicole Fontaine, the
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president of the parliament, to
officially invite Massoud, which had
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done by anyone anywhere.
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I think France's hands were a little
tied by the relationship and economic
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connections with Pakistan, which was
valuable back then.
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Of course, French intelligence services
were in contact with Massoud the same
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way they were in contact with the
Taliban.
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They met him regularly to ask questions
about the situation, to understand how
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he saw things, and also to ask questions
about al -Qaeda.
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That was the major point of interest of
the French intelligence services.
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Given how Massoud had a significant
network of informants in the country, he
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might learn things about bin Laden or al
-Qaeda.
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and share that information with the
French.
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I shared military insights about the
Somali plain front with French
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services with Massoud's permission.
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I was a messenger.
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The messages transmitted by Western
secret services, including the CIA, were
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eventually heard.
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Still sparing Pakistan.
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The Americans decided to put pressure on
the United Nations Security Council in
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New York City.
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The UN voted to put sanctions in place
against the Kabul regime.
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The United
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States
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was in what I call their hyper -power
phase.
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which meant that basically any other
power almost anywhere in the world had
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take U .S. policies into account.
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That didn't mean they needed to agree
with those policies.
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In fact, the French government's
position with regard to the United
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that time was to be a friend, an ally,
but not necessarily aligned with them.
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The Americans found that unacceptable.
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Because they thought, if you're an ally,
you have to be allied with them.
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Otherwise, you're useless.
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The moment international sanctions were
put into place, I knew they
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would become even more radicalized.
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And that the moderate, who were in favor
of keeping open the communication
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channels with the Western world, would
essentially no longer have it their way.
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As a result, it would be the radicals
who would seize power. I tried to tell
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them that.
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I tried repeatedly.
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The radicalization of the Taliban had
brutal, inhumane consequences for women.
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Their rights regressed even further.
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Women were reduced to nothing, and any
suspicion against a woman could lead to
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her imprisonment, beating, or even
stoning.
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Thousands have come to the stadium to
see a woman die, a woman whose face
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never see.
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We only know her as Zarmina.
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That's her in the middle, between the
two female guards.
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The Taliban leader sentences her to
death for adultery.
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Zarmina's seven children watched her
execution from the stands.
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Their uncle was the one who pulled the
trigger.
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Of course, the Taliban tried to provoke
me.
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They couldn't resist the idea of luring
me to their side.
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For example, one time they sent me a
beautiful written invitation asking me
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honor them by attending a public
execution.
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at Kabul Stadium.
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That really made my blood boil, and I
went in person to return the invitation
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the protocol service of the Ministry of
Foreign Affairs, which at that point had
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been reduced to its simplest form.
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I said, take this back, I don't want to
keep such an invitation, and I never
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want to receive another one like it in
the future.
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Freedom for women?
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It's false to say that they had no
freedom.
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They were not prisoners.
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Granted, they did not have Western
freedoms, but they had Islamic, Quranic
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freedoms.
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And in our country, it's true that
stoning as prescribed by Islam is
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Women are like ghosts, all shrouded in
the same covering, the chedri.
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These furtive silhouettes were filmed in
secret.
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In Afghanistan, one can't even look at
them from behind.
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And here, even their underwear is a
man's business.
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Women selling clothes?
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No way.
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Islam wouldn't allow it.
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Because of this interpretation of the
Koran, in Afghanistan, women's fashion
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entirely decided by men, from the cut of
the pattern to the actual models.
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You know, when you own a rare pearl, you
don't just leave it lying around.
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You keep it safe in a beautiful box.
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You find a very beautiful box and you
keep it inside because it's very
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Women in Islam are like pearls.
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They are valuable, much more so than
they are in the Western world.
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A man must serve his wife.
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I myself am a servant.
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My wife is at home along with my
daughter and I serve them.
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Thanks to us, women do not have to work.
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Women's rights are protected by Islam.
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The Shadri also protects them.
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Before the Taliban arrived in Kabul,
women played a major role in Afghan
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society.
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They held 80 % of administrative
positions and a third of medical jobs.
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Massoud encouraged equality and
advocated women's return to public life.
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Massoud believed Islam's fundamental
values that give women a space and the
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right to have an education.
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They fully belong in the organization of
political life.
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And I think Massoud pushed for those
ideas.
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Women's groups came to him asking him to
sign a charter for women's rights,
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which he did.
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He was fully aligned with everything
they brought up. He agreed with all of
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Yet he still added a line about how
these clauses had to respect Afghan
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Another indication of the Taliban's
radicalization was their desire to
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all non -Islamic symbols.
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After forbidding children to play with
kites, to listen to music, and to take
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photos of themselves, they now opposed
looking at any work of art.
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The Afghan government, with help from
France and a protocol signed in 1921,
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had promoted national archaeology.
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By destroying Afghan archaeology, the
Taliban wanted to prove that Afghanistan
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had no culture other than that instilled
by the Pakistani seminaries.
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To access these beautiful works carved
in the rock, one must take tunnels that
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lead to an opening above them, where one
discovers beautiful frescoes that have
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already been vandalized with a view to
the country's organized art trafficking.
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This past Sunday, authorities in Kabul
tried to reassure a Western diplomatic
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team who had come to investigate the
destruction of artworks.
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Just two hours after our last meeting,
Mullah Omar announced the decision to
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systematically destroy all anti -Islamic
works. Why?
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Of course, there were obvious
ideological and religious reasons.
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To them, these statues represent idols
and must hence be destroyed. That's also
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a clear sign of radicalization.
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I contacted the Minister of Foreign
Affairs and I told him, that if
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they did this, they needed to understand
that their image would forever be
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destroyed.
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Stoning women was hard enough to
swallow, but here you had something that
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been around since the fifth century and
which wasn't bothering anybody.
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I said,
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look, if you're really afraid that
people will come and worship these
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I'm sure I can find you a company
somewhere that would be willing to
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and donate curtains. You can cover the
statues and just open the curtains when
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people come to observe their splendor,
as opposed to worshipping them.
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He said, what a great idea.
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and that he would relay it to Mullah
Omar.
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He promised me that those Buddhas
wouldn't be destroyed.
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He gave me his word.
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When you play the diplomatic game,
you're faced with two types of fanatics.
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There's the one who doesn't really
believe, so you can negotiate with him.
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Then there's the fanatic who really
believes.
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How can you negotiate with that?
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And how can you tell one from the other?
And which one would you prefer?
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I only found out what happened months
later, after September 11th, from an
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Afghan friend.
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He told me the day we left Mutawakil's
office, the Minister of Foreign Affairs,
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he immediately picked up the phone and
called Mullah Omar in Kandahar, the
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Supreme Leader of the Islamic Emirate,
and told him he had given us his word,
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and so on.
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It turns out that Osama bin Laden was in
Mullah Omar's office
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at the time, and he said,
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Don't you think that would be an
embarrassment?
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These foreigners are willing to spend
millions to install curtains or build a
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wall around the Buddhas, while our
people are dying of starvation, and they
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won't even lift a finger to help them.
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That's shameful.
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We need to destroy all that crap, those
pieces of stone.
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And that's what happened. All of our
appeals were unfortunately totally
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The Taliban's relentless destruction of
the Bamiyan Buddha statues in March 2001
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was a huge shock because it revealed an
extremely deep -seated way of thinking,
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which is why the world reacted.
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It represented a resurgence of a way of
thinking
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that we thought we were done with in our
world.
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This thought that monuments and works of
art from civilizations that are not our
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own carry ideological messages and pose
religious dangers, which
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is why they must be completely
eradicated.
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In favor of a moderate Islam, Then
French Minister
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Alain Madelin took a keen interest in
Afghanistan very early on and visited
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country on numerous occasions.
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I went to Panjshir to explicitly meet
Massoud and spend time with him.
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He was a true force of nature, an
extraordinary man.
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While I was in there, Massoud gave me a
clear message, warning of the dangers
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Afghanistan presented to the world, and
saying that the Afghan people needed to
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be freed from this tyrannical regime.
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I told him that he needed to come to
France.
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The Ministry of Foreign Affairs was
afraid for many reasons, but the main
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reason, according to one of the senior
officials at the Ministry, was weapons
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negotiations with Pakistan.
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We couldn't upset Pakistan.
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The Ministry of Foreign Affairs didn't
want him to come, which was strange
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because in reality, and for a bunch of
reasons, the French military had people
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on the ground there who knew the
country.
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And they had a completely different
opinion.
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They knew we needed to help Massoud, but
their voices were snuffed out as they
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passed through military, diplomatic and
government channels.
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I talked to people and offered them
solutions.
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The Taliban were losing popular support,
and there were Taliban commanders that
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we could have paid off.
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To these 50 commanders or so, we could
have offered $40 ,000 each.
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It would have cost $2 million. If
someone had just lent us $2 million, we
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have taken down an entire front, or
multiple fronts, and taken back big
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like Herat, Madari Sharif, or Jalalabad.
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It would have been possible, but it
never happened.
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In March, the French Minister for
Foreign Affairs invited a Taliban
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I offered to greet them because I was
curious.
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I wanted to see what they were like
after having read so many horrible
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about them.
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I remember they were completely closed
off. They never looked at me in the eye.
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Even when we were two feet from one
another, they didn't say anything.
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But it was done, and it probably had to
be done because we didn't know what was
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next.
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This March 2001 visit took place in
great secrecy without any cameras or
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present.
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Diplomacy required keeping both parties
happy in order to see the weapons deal
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with Pakistan through.
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Invited by the European Parliament and
not France itself, Massoud made his
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stop in Paris.
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Once again, our friends at the Ministry
for Foreign Affairs were quite sneaky.
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They said Jospin was busy, Chirac was
busy, but the Ministry of Foreign
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could probably give him just a bit of
his time.
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Simultaneously, they had the nerve to
issue a press release announcing that
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Ministry of Foreign Affairs was acting
as a bridge between all parties which
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naturally included the Taliban.
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We had a good discussion with Mr.
Badrin, even though the meeting was
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hurried. It began over breakfast, which
was followed by discussions that led to
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profound debates.
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And that was when they realized they
were debating with a real leader
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who was on the same level as they were.
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I had many other meetings with Mr.
Badrin after that, every time.
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He mentioned that first interview with
Commander Massoud.
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Before that meeting, it was obvious that
they didn't trust us.
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He was ecstatic about coming to Paris
and very happy to be received by the
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minister. There's a certain prestige and
status attached to that.
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Then he asked if the DGSE could help
more by providing weapons.
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Let's be clear.
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He was trying to rally the international
community to his side of the fight and
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prove that his fight was just.
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And his enemy was a serious threat, not
just to him, but to everyone.
442
00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:55,000
He didn't get much out of that besides
talk.
443
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,780
He told me France didn't even give him a
Kalashnikov cartridge.
444
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,600
He made his pinky and said it in Dari.
445
00:34:06,540 --> 00:34:11,139
Five months before September 11th,
Massoud came to Europe to deliver a
446
00:34:36,460 --> 00:34:40,639
Of course I saw Massoud when he came to
Paris, and we had a meal together.
447
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:44,820
Of course we talked about all these
problems, and I was able to share my
448
00:34:44,820 --> 00:34:47,840
and how disappointed I was with my
compatriots.
449
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:56,239
Of course I told him all about my trials
and tribulations at the various NGO
450
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:02,140
conventions in Washington, where
everyone had gone out of their way to
451
00:35:02,140 --> 00:35:03,140
organizations.
452
00:35:03,420 --> 00:35:06,600
to recognize the Taliban government and
cooperate with them.
453
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,580
I'll never forget when this official
from the U .S. State Department came to
454
00:35:14,580 --> 00:35:21,540
in spring 2000 and said, listen, at the
end of the day, we know that
455
00:35:21,540 --> 00:35:25,660
the Saudis are also violating human
rights that we consider fundamental, but
456
00:35:25,660 --> 00:35:26,660
need to be realistic.
457
00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:30,100
We collaborate with them, so why
wouldn't we recognize the Taliban?
458
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,380
People met with Massoud and they
listened to him.
459
00:35:37,140 --> 00:35:38,800
He spoke in France and in Europe.
460
00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:42,960
And of course there were some people who
really advocated that he should be
461
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:43,960
helped.
462
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:49,160
But what you need to understand is that
there were just as many people, maybe
463
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,940
more influential, who believed the
opposite.
464
00:35:53,420 --> 00:35:55,500
They branded Massoud as a...
465
00:35:56,260 --> 00:35:57,660
fundamentalist, like all the others.
466
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,740
Someone who would never have a political
future in Afghanistan, and a horse it
467
00:36:02,740 --> 00:36:04,760
would be stupid to bet on.
468
00:36:22,980 --> 00:36:26,440
Welcome to the European Parliament. I'm
so happy to have you here.
469
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,740
His message would finally be heard and
listened to.
470
00:36:36,980 --> 00:36:41,260
You all know that for a long time now,
the European Parliament has been very
471
00:36:41,260 --> 00:36:45,320
concerned with the situation in
Afghanistan, the serious and repeated
472
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:50,120
infringements of fundamental rights and
human dignity, the appalling situation
473
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,220
facing women,
474
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,260
the famine that threatens the country,
as well as refugees.
475
00:36:57,860 --> 00:37:04,520
I would venture to say that the
destruction of the Bamiyan Buddha statue
476
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,320
straw that broke the camel's back,
477
00:37:07,140 --> 00:37:13,560
which confirmed beyond any doubt that
the Taliban simply have no respect for
478
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:14,560
anything.
479
00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:20,400
The invitation I extended is first and
foremost the political acknowledgement
480
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,100
what Commander Massoud represents.
481
00:37:22,300 --> 00:37:27,120
But I must also tell you that the
Pakistani ambassador wrote me a letter.
482
00:37:27,580 --> 00:37:33,060
When his government had invited
Khomeini, that letter
483
00:37:33,060 --> 00:37:39,600
gives me the opportunity to give a
strict warning to the Pakistani
484
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:40,600
authorities.
485
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:48,080
The support that they give the Taliban
is a threat to the entire region.
486
00:37:49,310 --> 00:37:56,170
And in my response to this letter, I
will formally ask Pakistan to
487
00:37:56,170 --> 00:38:02,770
cease supporting a regime which, through
its fanaticism and obscurantism, has
488
00:38:02,770 --> 00:38:04,690
ostracized itself from the world.
489
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:24,580
The groups that accompany them, like
Osama bin Laden and the Taliban,
490
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,040
have similar ideas.
491
00:38:28,580 --> 00:38:35,560
I want to say this way that the goal of
these groups is not
492
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:41,840
Afghanistan, but the first step of
Afghanistan and then the exit of
493
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:42,920
And unfortunately,
494
00:38:43,860 --> 00:38:45,960
I must remind you that...
495
00:38:58,970 --> 00:39:01,070
Masoud's visit to Europe was a very good
thing.
496
00:39:01,810 --> 00:39:06,110
But it was also the worst possible thing
he could have done for himself.
497
00:39:06,750 --> 00:39:12,890
Because I'm pretty convinced that's what
gave the enemy the idea that Masoud
498
00:39:12,890 --> 00:39:15,310
himself had to be physically eliminated.
499
00:39:16,460 --> 00:39:20,580
That idea came out of the sick minds of
al -Qaeda leaders.
500
00:39:21,740 --> 00:39:26,200
To put it simply, Massoud's
assassination was bin Laden's gift to
501
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:33,520
I had noticed the fanatic radicalization
of the Taliban.
502
00:39:35,980 --> 00:39:41,300
But I didn't really understand how much
influence bin Laden had at the time. Bin
503
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:48,180
Laden had married one of his own sons to
one of
504
00:39:48,180 --> 00:39:49,320
Mullah Omar's daughters.
505
00:39:52,740 --> 00:39:59,560
That meant their relationship had become
familial and dynastic, which
506
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:00,640
posed a lot of problems.
507
00:40:02,460 --> 00:40:06,440
It was a gift to Mullah Omar in the
sense that it gave him the last little
508
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:07,760
of Afghanistan he was missing.
509
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,500
Assassinating Massoud meant he could
launch a massive operation to conquer
510
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:17,780
Panjshir and the entire northeast,
ruling over the entire country.
511
00:40:20,420 --> 00:40:24,480
All of this without bin Laden having to
share what he was planning in the US.
512
00:40:28,090 --> 00:40:34,070
Al -Qaeda thought that one of Massoud's
weaknesses was
513
00:40:34,070 --> 00:40:40,370
his willingness to accept visits from
journalists and politicians.
514
00:40:40,750 --> 00:40:46,370
So they decided to use that as a way to
get close to him. They can go in
515
00:40:46,370 --> 00:40:50,410
pretending to be journalists with a
camera or batteries that were filled
516
00:40:50,410 --> 00:40:51,410
explosives.
517
00:41:08,590 --> 00:41:14,050
On September 9th, 2001, two al -Qaeda
kamikazes met with Commander Massoud.
518
00:41:14,770 --> 00:41:19,770
The two terrorists pretended to be
journalists working for Arab media
519
00:41:32,110 --> 00:41:36,880
Fahim Dashti, one of Massoud's loyal
lieutenants, is one of the only two
520
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,300
witnesses still alive today.
521
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,240
It's always hard for me to talk about
what happened on September 9th, 2001.
522
00:41:50,940 --> 00:41:54,860
It always brings back terrible memories,
the worst of my life.
523
00:41:58,100 --> 00:42:03,980
It was around 8 or 8 .30 in the morning
when I came out of my room.
524
00:42:04,430 --> 00:42:06,810
I asked where those Arab journalists had
gone.
525
00:42:09,390 --> 00:42:14,030
Someone told me they had already gone to
the commander's headquarters to
526
00:42:14,030 --> 00:42:15,030
interview him.
527
00:42:17,790 --> 00:42:21,430
Part of our work back then as a
Mujahideen was to record videos.
528
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,820
So I grabbed my camera and headed to the
commander's headquarters.
529
00:42:26,540 --> 00:42:29,880
Before they started the interview, the
commander asked them to share what
530
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,300
questions they were planning to ask.
531
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:37,200
The Arab sitting next to the commander
listed a dozen or so questions, mostly
532
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:42,000
about al -Qaeda, the Taliban, bin Laden,
Pakistan, the war.
533
00:42:44,580 --> 00:42:46,540
It was always the same questions back
then.
534
00:42:49,580 --> 00:42:54,480
When I sensed the interview was about to
begin, I sat in a chair beside them and
535
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:55,960
prepared my camera to film.
536
00:42:59,060 --> 00:43:02,260
I was suddenly blinded by a very strong
yellow light.
537
00:43:04,020 --> 00:43:09,860
My eyes closed instinctively, and then I
realized that I was burned and wounded.
538
00:43:12,170 --> 00:43:16,630
Since I had been setting up my camera,
the first thing I thought was there had
539
00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:19,630
to have been a short circuit and that it
had exploded in my face.
540
00:43:23,090 --> 00:43:27,830
I managed to open my eyes and I saw
there was dust and smoke everywhere and
541
00:43:27,830 --> 00:43:29,230
the windows had been blown out.
542
00:43:30,930 --> 00:43:34,770
Two people carried the commander from
the room with his pachol covering his
543
00:43:34,770 --> 00:43:35,770
face.
544
00:43:37,830 --> 00:43:41,790
He had injuries to his head and legs,
but most seriously to his chest.
545
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:51,530
When Commander Massoud was killed, for
the first time in my life, I realized
546
00:43:51,530 --> 00:43:55,770
what a great responsibility that man had
been carrying up until that point.
547
00:43:57,870 --> 00:43:59,250
Everything depended on him.
548
00:44:01,150 --> 00:44:05,470
Millions of us felt it, and we weren't
strong enough to carry the weight of
549
00:44:05,470 --> 00:44:06,470
responsibility.
550
00:44:10,290 --> 00:44:15,630
I once read a sentence in a book that
said, Woe betide a nation in need of
551
00:44:15,630 --> 00:44:20,100
heroes. And back when the commander was
still alive, I thought that that author
552
00:44:20,100 --> 00:44:21,100
was stupid.
553
00:44:21,140 --> 00:44:23,800
He didn't understand that it was great
to have a hero.
554
00:44:24,420 --> 00:44:25,640
One should be so lucky.
555
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,840
But when Massoud died, I finally
understood what the author was trying to
556
00:44:31,980 --> 00:44:37,260
What he meant was that it's so sad when
people need a hero, because when that
557
00:44:37,260 --> 00:44:39,620
hero disappears, all is lost.
558
00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:58,840
Two days after Massoud's assassination,
on Tuesday, September 11, 2001, at 8 .45
559
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:03,600
a .m., an airliner crashed into the
North Tower of the World Trade Center in
560
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:09,160
York. Just 18 minutes later, a second
plane hit the South Tower. Then a third
561
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:13,280
crashed into the Pentagon in Washington,
D .C., and a fourth in Pennsylvania.
562
00:45:13,980 --> 00:45:16,740
It was the worst terrorist attack in
human history.
563
00:45:20,660 --> 00:45:22,640
The two events are closely connected.
564
00:45:23,020 --> 00:45:27,880
Before the attacks on September 11th, al
-Qaeda wanted to eradicate the leader
565
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:32,160
of the resistance so there would be no
more opposition to the Taliban in
566
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:33,160
Afghanistan.
567
00:45:34,660 --> 00:45:38,560
Yes, bin Laden understood that Massoud
was his enemy for sure.
568
00:45:41,810 --> 00:45:45,350
Perhaps he had thought that after the
attack on the Twin Towers, there would
569
00:45:45,350 --> 00:45:46,710
a crackdown on Afghanistan.
570
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:53,630
And if such retaliations occurred, he
needed to ensure Massoud was gone,
571
00:45:53,630 --> 00:45:56,030
he represented the main danger against
him.
572
00:45:58,370 --> 00:46:01,850
The rest would work itself out, but the
connection between the two events is
573
00:46:01,850 --> 00:46:02,990
absolutely obvious.
574
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:13,060
After September 11th, the United States
went after public enemy number one,
575
00:46:13,180 --> 00:46:14,180
Osama bin Laden.
576
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,860
They took military action in
Afghanistan.
577
00:46:18,620 --> 00:46:22,340
Helped by the Americans, the troops of
the late Commander Massoud liberated
578
00:46:22,340 --> 00:46:24,300
Kabul in November 2001.
579
00:46:25,980 --> 00:46:29,400
The Taliban's departure was a relief to
the local population.
580
00:46:30,420 --> 00:46:32,940
I shaved, says the man. There's no more
Taliban.
581
00:46:35,940 --> 00:46:40,280
This al -Qaeda command center shows
clear signs of its occupants' hurried
582
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,060
departure. But the most surprising thing
of all was found in the basement.
583
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:50,120
A dozen brand -new Milan -type anti
-tank missiles, weapons manufactured in
584
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:54,120
France and abundantly sold to the United
Arab Emirates and Pakistan.
585
00:46:55,340 --> 00:47:02,280
In the Western world, the discovery of
this arsenal almost
586
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:03,280
went unnoticed.
587
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:08,180
Only one person was surprised and dared
raise the issue of certain dealings with
588
00:47:08,180 --> 00:47:12,180
Pakistan. I yield the floor to Mr. Alan
Madland, the first speaker.
589
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:18,120
Today, Kabul has been liberated. The
Taliban have been chased out, and I'm
590
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:22,060
first to rejoice because for a very long
time, I've had the feeling that very
591
00:47:22,060 --> 00:47:26,340
few of us were ready to denounce the
blind eye that France and the world's
592
00:47:26,340 --> 00:47:30,180
democracies turned towards the
oppression of the Afghan people under
593
00:47:30,180 --> 00:47:31,400
criminal Taliban regime.
594
00:47:35,399 --> 00:47:41,600
Mr. Prime Minister, perhaps you can
enlighten us as to the origin of the
595
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:48,440
Milan missiles that were just found in
the Taliban's deserted arsenals in
596
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:49,440
Kabul.
597
00:47:50,980 --> 00:47:56,040
By answering you would at least
partially explain the French
598
00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:00,240
ambiguous position, because never once,
Mr.
599
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:01,440
Prime Minister,
600
00:48:02,650 --> 00:48:07,150
Did you say that Afghanistan should be
free of the Taliban regime?
601
00:48:07,950 --> 00:48:11,270
Taliban? You've never even said the word
a single time.
602
00:48:12,610 --> 00:48:17,050
I wanted him to explain where those
French military Milan missiles were
603
00:48:17,050 --> 00:48:21,570
from, the wire -guided Milan missiles
that had been found in the Taliban's
604
00:48:21,570 --> 00:48:22,570
arsenals in Kabul.
605
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:27,990
He never answered.
606
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:34,580
Anyway, I'm not saying France delivered
Milan missiles directly to the Taliban.
607
00:48:34,980 --> 00:48:36,260
That's highly unlikely.
608
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:42,480
That said, it might have been via a
country like Pakistan or some other
609
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,080
that somehow these missiles ended up in
the Taliban's arsenal.
610
00:48:53,660 --> 00:48:57,580
Massoud remains a living legend to its
multi -ethnic and multicultural
611
00:48:57,580 --> 00:48:58,580
population.
612
00:48:59,620 --> 00:49:04,520
But Afghanistan is still threatened by
terrorists that coexist with the
613
00:49:05,020 --> 00:49:08,020
And the Taliban continue to be supported
by Pakistan.
614
00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:14,140
In this context, Massoud's heritage is a
source of inspiration and hope, a hope
615
00:49:14,140 --> 00:49:18,100
that lives on through the political
arrival of the commander's only son,
616
00:49:18,380 --> 00:49:20,680
who is following the footsteps of his
father.
617
00:49:21,240 --> 00:49:25,080
and embody the new front against the
Taliban and international terrorism.
618
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:31,540
Well, before the collapse of the New
York Towers, the oppressed people of
619
00:49:31,540 --> 00:49:34,940
Afghanistan were the first victims of
terrorism and its brutality.
620
00:49:37,660 --> 00:49:41,840
If we consider how much of the world's
attention we have now,
621
00:49:42,580 --> 00:49:49,180
if even 1 % of that attention had
existed in my father's days, the enemy
622
00:49:49,180 --> 00:49:51,720
have been chased out of Afghanistan in a
week or two.
623
00:49:55,020 --> 00:49:56,020
No more terrorism.
624
00:49:57,100 --> 00:50:02,720
As long as Pakistan still wants to
control Afghanistan, there will never be
625
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:05,340
peace in the region and the war will
continue.
626
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:10,840
Only when Pakistan ceases to support
terrorism, when the leaders of Pakistan
627
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:15,420
change their policies with regard to
Afghanistan, will the region stabilize
628
00:50:15,420 --> 00:50:17,460
find its way on the road to peace.
629
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,200
Pakistan could then develop and so could
Afghanistan.
630
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,040
My biggest regret is my own personal
failure.
631
00:50:38,500 --> 00:50:43,160
I think that Massoud, I think he counted
on me at least a little bit. He counted
632
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:44,620
on me to relay his message.
633
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,960
Yes, it didn't work.
634
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,680
So it's a personal failure on my part.
635
00:50:54,500 --> 00:50:58,800
That said, the collective failure is
even more consequential than my personal
636
00:50:58,800 --> 00:50:59,800
failure.
637
00:51:01,140 --> 00:51:03,300
Massoud's image remains untarnished.
638
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:09,320
It's an image that isn't exactly what
his supporters in Paris thought, but he
639
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,640
was still a strong figure, even if he
was a warlord.
640
00:51:14,220 --> 00:51:16,520
I guess he never got a chance to
disappoint us.
641
00:51:18,420 --> 00:51:19,760
He died too soon for that.
642
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,620
It all happened like a great tragedy.
643
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,760
Total disaster for Afghanistan.
644
00:51:33,580 --> 00:51:36,360
We let the chips fall where they may.
645
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:43,460
And no matter how much of a fight we put
up, things took
646
00:51:43,460 --> 00:51:44,560
a turn for the worse.
647
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,120
And that's still the case.
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