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- How do we make a show that
looks completely different
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than the show we did last week?
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It's nice if you really,
really liked last week's show,
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but I'm not going
to do that one again.
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Certainty is my enemy.
You know, I'm all about doubt.
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I started doing this
late in life.
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I can't say that
I'm evolving or maturing
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or doing anything differently.
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Same dick I was 13 years ago.
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♪ I took a walk
through this ♪
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♪ Beautiful world
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♪ Felt the cool rain
on my shoulder ♪
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♪ Found something good
in this ♪
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♪ Beautiful world
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♪ I felt the rain
getting colder ♪
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- ♪ La, la
- ♪ Sha la, la, la, la
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♪ Sha la, la, la, la
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- ♪ Sha la, la, la
- Sha la, la, la, la ♪
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♪ Sha la, la, la, la, la
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- What do you think he did,
I mean,
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in terms of
the impact on television?
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- Yeah.
- It's so multifaceted, so...
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- Sure.
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I think that prior to Tony
on television,
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food TV, such as it was,
and travel TV, such as it was,
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were both essentially
serviced-based.
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It was very top-down.
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There's an expert
showing you what to do
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when you're in
an unfamiliar situation.
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"I don't know how to make this."
Here's how you do it.
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"I don't know what to do
when I'm there."
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Here's what you do.
Here's what everybody does.
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What I wished for often
was specificity.
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Take me to a place.
Show me that real place.
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Show me what motivates people.
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- You did travel with him.
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You were sitting in your couch
in your home,
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but you were with him
wherever he went.
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- He would be overseas
in the Far East one week
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and then maybe in the Bronx,
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you know, the next week,
or in Miami the next week.
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- He wasn't worried about
protecting a boxed image
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of who he was, right?
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It was like, "I'm gonna put
myself in this experience,
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and it's gonna be what it is."
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- I perceived him a little bit
like Indiana Jones.
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He could be on the road
in a T-shirt having a beer
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or in a kitchen
talking to the line cooks.
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And then he could come home
and put on a suit and tie
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and be a man about town
giving a tribute speech
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to his publisher.
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You know, he cleaned up good,
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but he was also really
comfortable out in the wild.
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- You see a man step foot
into the world
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kind of shaky at first,
kind of unsure,
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increasing in confidence
in who he is
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as he's buffeted by a larger
world full of doubt,
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full of ambiguity,
full of questions,
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full of unknowable things
and react accordingly.
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- I would describe myself as
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a lucky cook who
gets to tell stories.
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And I think any other...
I'm certainly not a journalist.
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I'm not a chef anymore.
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I'd like to flatter myself
by saying I'm an essayist,
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but I'm a storyteller.
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I see stuff.
I talk about that.
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I talk about how it made me
feel at the time.
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I think that's the best...
If you can do that honestly,
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that's about the best
you could hope for I think.
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I... I don't feel I'm capable
of going back and having
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an intelligent conversation
about my experience.
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I feel all messed up
emotionally.
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- But then I think this means
that you truly came here,
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because when you get close to
something you understand
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that you don't understand
what's going on.
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When you're far from it,
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it seems kind of
solvable and simple.
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When you go in to it, you say,
"Hey,
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it doesn't make any sense,"
you know?
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So it means that
you've really been here.
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- It is post-apocalyptic.
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It's like
a science fiction film.
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What the hell happened here?
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- Well, it is post-apocalyptic
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except for the fact there's
several hundred thousand
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people living here.
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- So the conventional wisdom
seemed to be,
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"It's time to
get out of Camden."
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Why are you still here?
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- Because the need is in Camden.
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If every decent person
in Camden leaves Camden,
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then we never have a chance.
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- You're gonna stay?
- I'm not going anywhere.
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My pop-pop didn't leave.
I'm not leaving.
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♪
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- This is the only reason
they're gone.
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This is the only reason for...
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Just to protect
my children and my wife.
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- 20 years, 30 years...
- Yeah.
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- will things be better?
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- Not 20 years and 30 year.
- Hope now.
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Next year, thing goes better.
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- To me, I really feel
a strong need to forgive...
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- Mm-hmm.
- And then forget.
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And then move on.
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- You used to be a tour guide.
- Yes.
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- I know you have to
bring people over
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to the American War Museum.
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In your lifetime,
is there gonna be a time
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when that's not
gonna have to be a stop?
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No one will remember.
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Or should
people always remember?
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- I think it's good to remember.
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And I think it's good that...
That...
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It's important that
we know about history...
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And to make sure
it's never happen again.
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- In conversations that
I had with him, you know,
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he'd say,
"Look, I'm not a journalist."
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And it's funny because,
you know, I'm a journalist,
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and I work with and
live with another journalist
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and spend a lot of time
with journalists.
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And going and talking to people,
telling stories,
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hearing people's stories
that illuminate a place,
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if that's not journalism,
I'm really not sure what is.
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- How often do you get
to sneak out for a beer?
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- Very rarely.
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First of all, I don't
get to sneak out, period.
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- The beauty of TV to me is
that it is a cumulative medium.
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It's a serialized storytelling.
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Every emotional moment
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we get to in season four
of a show is earned.
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It's built on the back
of everything that came before.
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There was a comfort level there.
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We knew each other.
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He knew he could push us.
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We knew that
he would try to push us.
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- People felt like
they knew him.
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They felt like if they met him,
he would look out for them.
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That sounds weird, but I think
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that's how
people felt about him.
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They felt like
he was in their corner.
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They felt like
he was a force for good.
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They felt like his heart
was in the right place.
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They felt like he was willing to
stick his neck out for people.
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- He was honest about
anything he saw,
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not to censor himself
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whether positive or negative.
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I think that's very important,
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and that's why
many people connect,
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'cause they see
he's talking about... like,
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even the words that
he threw out sometimes.
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I was like,
"Jason, can he say that on TV?"
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He was like, "Tony can."
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- What is the perception
of Mr. Putin these days?
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After 14 years, he's in power.
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- My... my perception?
- His personal...
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- Do you really want to hear it?
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- I'm not sure, but let's see.
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- A former mid-level manager
in a large corporation.
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Short.
I think that's very important.
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Short.
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- Who has found himself
master of the universe.
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And like a lot of short people,
if you piss them off,
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bad things happen to you.
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He likes to
take his shirt off a lot.
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Let's be serious, I mean...
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- He strikes me
as a businessman...
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- He is.
- A businessman with an ego.
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Okay, so he's like Donald Trump,
but shorter.
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- Increasingly the show became
about the world around him
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and the frame outside of
where he was standing.
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And I think he really understood
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the real power in his position
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was getting the cameras
to the place in the first place
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so that he could
turn them around,
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so that he could put the people
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who otherwise would never be
on camera on camera,
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so he could put
the cultures and the traditions
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that have never been seen
before on camera,
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so he could show us something,
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not just show us
him seeing something.
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- You have a very
highly educated public here,
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one of the most literate
nations on Earth.
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- That's funny.
- We are highly educated,
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like you said, but we're behind
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concerning internet
and all that stuff.
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Most of us have access
to only the official media,
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the official newspaper.
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If internet comes,
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and I think that government
is trying to delay it,
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if that comes,
then I think we change.
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People who will have access
to different points of view,
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and I don't think
our government wants that.
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- A lot of things happen in
a lot of different
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parts of the country
sort of simultaneously.
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Kind of amazing that
all of these people
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came together very fast.
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- How did it happen?
- Yeah.
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- Easy. Twitter.
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- Twitter?
- Yeah.
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- It was really like that?
- Yes.
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- Did anyone think it was
possible that in their lifetime
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they were gonna see the end
of this son of a...
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Most people are telling me
they'd never dream.
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- I don't know if you can call
them dreams, hopes, wishes.
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It was just
something in the sky,
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- something I look at every night.
- Right.
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- But when I hit that point
and got into Misrata
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and stood on Gaddafi's body,
any dream will come true.
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- This is a big
oil-rich country.
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Why doesn't it look like Dubai?
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- Well, I... I hate to be on
this show and talk Niger down...
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You know what it is... because
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you hear all these things
all the time.
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So... so yes, there is corruption.
It is about corruption.
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It's about the fact that
the resources that are supposed
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to be used for people
aren't being used for people.
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Years of military rule meant
that people were brutalized.
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There was a fight
against thinking.
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Imagine if they were
all well-educated,
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if they had access to finance.
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I believe
if you're a black person,
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whether you're African
or you're African-American,
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you're never going to
get any respect
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unless there's
a successful black nation.
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- Even if you've been
traveling nearly nonstop
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for 15 years like me,
there are places
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that snap you out of
your comfortable worldview,
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take your assumptions
and your prejudices,
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and turn them upside down.
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They lead you to believe
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that maybe
there is hope in the world.
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- Uh, I eat a lot of meals.
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I'm told about 400
per shooting season
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um, off and on camera.
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Many of those meals are good.
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Many are really bad.
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Many are memorable
for reasons good and bad.
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A few are epic, truly epic.
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They... but they do
come along probably
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with more regularity
in my life than yours,
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and I will gloat
about that on Instagram
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whenever possible, by the way.
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- Tony, get closer.
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- You are totally
sending me every one
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- of those pictures by the way.
- Yeah.
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- Wow. Look at that.
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This style of dish goes back
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long before cameras,
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but it's perfect.
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Is there a more perfect
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assortment of
colors and textures?
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Everything great about cooking
is encapsulated in this dish.
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Often the ugliest dishes are
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the ones that are
the most hauntingly delicious.
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- Raw blood soup.
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- Are we eating out
of an open wound?
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- Whole live frogs with garlic.
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- That's one of the many
stomach of the cow.
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- Alternately unrecognizable,
scorchingly hot, or both.
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Well, I'll tell you,
those are some of
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the best beans I ever had,
no doubt about it.
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- You serious?
- This dude's been everywhere.
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- Come on, man.
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- There not just delicious.
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They're luxurious.
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- What can you do
to make it better?
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- It's perfect.
- There's no improving this dish.
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- No. Now nobody talks.
- Only we eat.
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- Right.
- Total silence.
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You put far more
on the table than
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anyone could conceivably eat.
Is that...
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- If you don't like your guest,
you don't put anything.
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- Look, I've eaten at a lot of
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great restaurants
around the world,
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and there was still a little
part of me that was saying,
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you know,
"This is gonna be bull..."
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- The guy is out in the field
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yanking leaves out
of the ground.
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I really didn't expect it
to be as good as it was.
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It was delicious.
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It was amazingly
delicious for me.
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- What's fascinating to me
as somebody who first
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knew about Tony
when his first successful book,
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"Kitchen Confidential," came out
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is I've always
thought of him as a chef
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even though it had been years
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since he had been
a practicing chef.
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You know,
"Kitchen Confidential."
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What was the title,
the subtitle?
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"Adventures in
the Culinary Underbelly?"
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I mean, "underbelly's"
a little bit of a dark word,
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but that's sort of
what these... his shows were.
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He gave you the full
360-experience of this stuff.
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What was its history?
What went in to making it?
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What made it great?
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And his descriptive powers
were so great
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that even though you
as a viewer...
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This is the great flaw, I think,
in any food television...
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Can't taste
what you're watching,
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he could convey what
it tasted like or smelled like
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or what it evoked in him.
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And that, I think,
was kind of the magic of it.
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- It was sweet, sweet memories
of this Stegosaurus-sized
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shank of cured pork
boiled and boiled
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until it literally
falls away from the bone
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steaming and moist,
this symphony
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of meat and gelatin
and good, good stuff.
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God is hiding
in there somewhere.
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Some things shouldn't change.
I come here to feed my soul.
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It's the antidote
to every other place.
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♪
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Roast bone marrow
with parsley and caper salad.
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Thank you.
Yes.
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It's a simple good thing,
but it's
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one of the most
influential dishes, like,
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in the last 20 years.
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As I've become older,
I've noticed
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the food that I yearn for
is food that
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I react to in
an entirely emotional way.
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Mmm.
Oh, man.
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Wow.
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Now, is there an appropriate
way to attack this?
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Does one go straight in,
or does one
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go at it from an angle?
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- It depends
what kind of man you are.
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If you're a coward,
you would go from the corner.
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- From the corner.
- Well, I'm a manly man.
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- So you go in the middle.
- All right.
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- For somebody
who does what I do,
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write about chefs
for people who are chefs,
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I think Tony was, like,
as cool as they came, right?
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Everyone wanted to...
It was that classic line.
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"Everybody wants to be him."
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He was a cool guy.
He could write.
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He was natural on television.
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"The chef swagger," that's Tony.
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I mean, that started
in some ways with Tony,
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or he epitomized that.
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Confident, smart,
super computer brain
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that could spit out
these incredible witty things.
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But he would go to these places,
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and he would evidence, I think,
an incredible humility.
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He was genuinely curious.
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He wasn't trying to teach them.
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He wasn't trying to show off.
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- How long does that broth
have to simmer to get good?
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- An hour.
- Wow. Really?
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I would've guessed,
like, 14 hours.
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I want to see how much
you put in there.
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- You got to make it look
really red in there.
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That should be blood red.
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- Nice burning feeling
on my lips, flop sweat, happy.
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People are put on Earth
for various purposes.
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I was put on Earth to do this,
eat noodles right here.
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At the end of a long night,
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decisions good and bad,
friends old and new,
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a night spent playing
or a night spent working,
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all across the world wherever
cooks stumble out of work late,
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there's a place like this.
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- Gentlemen.
- Hey, Tony.
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- How are you?
- Nice to see you again.
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- Good to see you. What's up?
- Nice to see you again.
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- It's the city
that never sleeps.
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24-hour Mokatal, right?
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00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,050
- This place is very democratic
'cause, like,
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everybody comes late at night,
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taxi drivers, hookers,
and cooks, because we can be...
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- Yeah. Why is it that
hookers and cooks always, like,
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are welcome at the same place,
you know?
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Where... the...
The same social standard.
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I'm ready, man.
I am hungry.
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I have had nothing
to eat all day.
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- Yeah?
- I am starving.
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- I think Tony's appreciation
for sort of the rank-and-file
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members of a kitchen team
was always there.
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It was something that I think
he felt very profoundly.
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I think what he took
from that profession was
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a real curiosity and
a sincere love of food.
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You know,
somebody once said to me,
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"Great food is an adventure,"
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and I think that's
where the beginnings
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of what he
transitioned into came from.
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- I mean,
if you don't like food,
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if you're not
interested in food,
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it's... it's really a problem.
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It's a relationship non-starter.
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It's like someone saying,
"I don't like music."
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You know,
conversation's kind of over.
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But I mean, I'll always look
at the world from that per...
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I mean, all... all my values,
every important skill,
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any good things
about my character,
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any good characteristics I have,
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all the important
lessons of my life
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I learned as a dishwasher
or as a cook.
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And I'm always gonna look at
the world through that prism.
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- A few years back,
I got the words
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"I am certain of nothing"
tattooed on my arm.
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It's what makes travel
what it is:
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an endless learning curve.
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00:18:22,570 --> 00:18:25,500
Well, it's a popular metaphor
for India-Pakistan is
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"Twins separated at birth."
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00:18:27,290 --> 00:18:28,910
- We were never twins, I mean...
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- One.
- It was one country.
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00:18:30,530 --> 00:18:31,956
- You could say dismembered.
- Right.
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00:18:31,980 --> 00:18:33,500
- You know, if you
cut a body in two,
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00:18:33,530 --> 00:18:35,220
they're not gonna become twins.
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00:18:35,260 --> 00:18:38,330
- The joy of being wrong,
of being confused.
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00:18:38,360 --> 00:18:40,600
Critics of the government,
critics of Putin,
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00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:42,910
bad things
seem to happen to them.
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00:18:42,950 --> 00:18:46,740
- Yes. Unfortunately
existing power represent,
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let I say,
Russia of 19th century.
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- You could kill a journalist
and get away with it.
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00:18:53,260 --> 00:18:56,910
- Why are you still here?
- It's my choice.
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My choice is fight.
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I really believe that
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00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:05,360
good journalists
can change the world.
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00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,050
- At first you see what you
see in so many places,
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busy markets,
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the noisy streets.
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00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,080
But look just
a little bit longer,
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00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:17,770
a little bit deeper,
and you'll see
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it's not so different
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here from anywhere really.
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00:19:29,530 --> 00:19:33,050
- It's incredible thinking back
how fearless he was.
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You know, he went to CNN,
which is a network that
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00:19:35,910 --> 00:19:38,050
travels all over the world
and goes in to war zones,
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00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,020
and he saw that,
I think, as a challenge.
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00:19:40,050 --> 00:19:43,570
And he was not afraid
to ask uncomfortable questions,
430
00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,190
go to uncomfortable places,
poke at uncomfortable scabs.
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00:19:47,220 --> 00:19:50,260
That's kind of amazing,
you know, to... to...
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As you grow
more comfortable in station
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00:19:53,050 --> 00:19:57,360
to become more eager to
engage in uncomfortable truths
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00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,360
and uncomfortable situations
and uncomfortable questions.
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00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,506
You would think it would go
in the opposite direction,
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00:20:02,530 --> 00:20:04,020
but with Tony it never did.
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00:20:06,530 --> 00:20:09,220
- Iran. Finally.
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00:20:09,260 --> 00:20:12,950
I've been trying to get in
this country five years now.
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00:20:12,980 --> 00:20:17,950
It's been the big blank spot
on my things-to-do list.
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00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:37,430
The Iran I've seen on TV
and read about in the papers,
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00:20:37,460 --> 00:20:41,080
it's a much bigger picture.
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00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:45,670
Let's put it this way,
it's complicated,
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00:20:45,710 --> 00:20:49,740
And I think it's
gonna shock the hell out of you.
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00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,050
- People couldn't believe it.
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00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,220
Iranians in Iran
and Iranian-Americans
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00:21:08,260 --> 00:21:11,400
were genuinely really
happy and appreciative
447
00:21:11,430 --> 00:21:14,260
that he would come
and do this show there.
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00:21:14,290 --> 00:21:18,080
In a place like Iran
where visitors from abroad,
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00:21:18,120 --> 00:21:20,050
and especially
visitors from America,
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are few and far between,
it matters.
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00:21:23,810 --> 00:21:25,330
- As print journalists,
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00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:26,500
our job's difficult,
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00:21:26,530 --> 00:21:27,770
but it's also kind of easy,
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00:21:27,810 --> 00:21:30,360
'cause there's so much
to write about.
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00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,910
You know, it's... the
difficult part is convincing
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00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:34,950
people on the other side
of the world that
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00:21:34,980 --> 00:21:38,330
what we're telling you we're
seeing in front of our eyes
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is actually there.
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00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:40,710
When you walk down the street,
460
00:21:40,740 --> 00:21:42,770
you see
a different side of things.
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00:21:42,810 --> 00:21:45,910
People are proud.
The culture is vibrant.
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00:21:45,950 --> 00:21:48,260
People have a lot to say.
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00:21:48,290 --> 00:21:50,500
- Jason Rezaian is
"The Washington Post's"
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correspondent for Iran.
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00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:54,500
Yeganeh, his wife
and a fellow journalist,
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00:21:54,530 --> 00:21:57,910
works for the UAE-based
newspaper "The National."
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00:21:57,950 --> 00:22:00,050
Jason is Iranian-American.
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00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,500
Yeganeh is
a full Iranian citizen.
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This is their city, Tehran.
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The official attitude
towards fun in general
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seems to be ever-shifting.
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00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,220
How... is fun even a good idea?
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00:22:14,260 --> 00:22:17,080
- There's a lot of security.
- There's lots of rules.
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There are a lot of people
in place to make sure
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00:22:23,290 --> 00:22:25,670
you do the right thing
and not do the wrong thing.
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00:22:25,710 --> 00:22:28,360
But there's a lot of
push and pull,
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00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:29,910
a lot of give and take.
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When I first started
coming here, you wouldn't hear
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- pop music in a restaurant or...
- Right.
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00:22:35,290 --> 00:22:36,746
- It's everywhere now.
- Now it's everywhere.
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00:22:36,770 --> 00:22:38,360
- We have police.
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00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,400
They arrest girls or women
for having bad hijab
483
00:22:42,430 --> 00:22:46,260
or not being covered enough,
but it's not that we live
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00:22:46,290 --> 00:22:48,740
with the police in our head,
you know?
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00:23:07,290 --> 00:23:10,360
- I brought up the experience
of being on a show
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just a few weeks
previous to... to our arrest.
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00:23:14,290 --> 00:23:17,190
And I said, "Look, you know,
this thing is coming.
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It's not gonna play out
well for you."
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00:23:19,810 --> 00:23:21,770
- At some point towards the end,
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my interrogator
brought a picture.
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"Who is this guy?
Is he your dad or his dad?"
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I was like, "No.
You really don't know him?"
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And he was like, "No."
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I said, "Well,
this is a very famous guy.
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00:23:34,220 --> 00:23:36,950
If you are interested
in traveling, food, dah-dah-dah,
496
00:23:36,980 --> 00:23:38,080
you should watch his show."
497
00:23:38,120 --> 00:23:40,190
But he told me,
"There was nothing
498
00:23:40,220 --> 00:23:42,500
in your conversation
with him about food."
499
00:23:42,530 --> 00:23:46,190
I was like, "No, we discussed
a little bit of rice and fish
500
00:23:46,220 --> 00:23:49,400
"and things like that,
but it was mostly
501
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:53,260
cultural topics,
social life, things like that."
502
00:23:53,290 --> 00:23:58,050
And he said, "So it's gonna be
another punch in our face?"
503
00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:59,926
I was like, "No, no, no.
It's not gonna be like that.
504
00:23:59,950 --> 00:24:01,500
"He's not that kind of guy.
505
00:24:01,530 --> 00:24:05,050
He's gonna tell the truth
no matter what it is."
506
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,950
And interestingly, I remember
507
00:24:06,980 --> 00:24:09,020
I told them about one discussion
508
00:24:09,050 --> 00:24:10,530
we had with Tony,
'cause at some point
509
00:24:10,570 --> 00:24:13,570
we talked about
the situation of women in Iran.
510
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,260
- You know, one of the first
things that people will say
511
00:24:19,290 --> 00:24:20,436
when you say,
"Well, I'm going to Iran."
512
00:24:20,460 --> 00:24:22,220
"Oh, yeah, but
don't they make women
513
00:24:22,260 --> 00:24:24,840
- do this, this, and this?"
- Yeah.
514
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,880
- Actually... not so much.
515
00:24:27,910 --> 00:24:29,220
- Yeah.
- Not as much as our...
516
00:24:29,260 --> 00:24:30,740
- Friends. Yeah.
- Friends.
517
00:24:30,770 --> 00:24:32,430
- Compare and contrast.
518
00:24:32,460 --> 00:24:35,150
Women aren't allowed
to drive in Saudi Arabia.
519
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:37,260
- That's right. Or vote.
- Or vote.
520
00:24:37,290 --> 00:24:39,500
- You can drive. You can vote.
- Yeah, of course.
521
00:24:39,530 --> 00:24:42,190
- Can you own a business?
- Of course.
522
00:24:42,220 --> 00:24:45,770
My sister is an accountant.
She has her own company.
523
00:24:45,810 --> 00:24:50,360
Girls are allowed to do almost
everything, uh, except
524
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,360
we want to go and watch football
which is like...
525
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,710
- Can't go watch football?
- We cannot.
526
00:24:54,740 --> 00:24:57,950
- Women's issues are often
at the spear point of change
527
00:24:57,980 --> 00:24:59,740
or possible change here.
528
00:24:59,770 --> 00:25:02,220
On one hand, prevailing
conservative attitudes
529
00:25:02,260 --> 00:25:04,360
demand certain things.
530
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,150
On the other hand,
Iranian women are
531
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:09,710
famously assertive, opinionated.
532
00:25:09,740 --> 00:25:11,260
It's a striking difference from
533
00:25:11,290 --> 00:25:13,260
almost everywhere else
in the region.
534
00:25:13,290 --> 00:25:15,400
So why are we so friendly
with the Saudis again?
535
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:19,570
- That's a great question.
- It's a really good question.
536
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,530
- I'm happy that
you asked that question.
537
00:25:27,290 --> 00:25:30,260
And I sort of, like, told
the story to my interrogator.
538
00:25:30,290 --> 00:25:33,880
It was like, "Okay, sounds
like a good conversation.
539
00:25:33,910 --> 00:25:37,360
So he... he likes us?"
540
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,260
I was like, "He likes Iranians.
He likes Iran."
541
00:25:40,290 --> 00:25:43,050
So that was kind of convincing.
542
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:48,050
I was able to
cool things off finally...
543
00:25:50,050 --> 00:25:51,770
- Do you like it?
- You happy here?
544
00:25:51,810 --> 00:25:54,150
- Look, I... I love it,
545
00:25:54,190 --> 00:25:56,740
and I hate it,
you know, but it's home.
546
00:25:56,770 --> 00:25:58,080
It's become home.
547
00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:01,330
- Are you optimistic
about the future?
548
00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:03,880
- Yeah.
- Especially if this nuclear deal
549
00:26:03,910 --> 00:26:07,840
finally happens, uh, yeah.
550
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,330
Very much actually.
551
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:11,260
- Let's assume the worst.
552
00:26:11,290 --> 00:26:14,530
Let's assume that you cannot
see any way to reconcile
553
00:26:14,570 --> 00:26:18,190
what you think of Iran with
your own personal beliefs,
554
00:26:18,220 --> 00:26:20,430
that you just
generally don't approve.
555
00:26:20,460 --> 00:26:22,080
- Yeah.
- I think those are exactly
556
00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:24,020
the sort of places
you should go.
557
00:26:24,050 --> 00:26:25,150
- Totally.
558
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:26,570
- See who we're talking about
559
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,020
and where we're
talking about here.
560
00:26:28,050 --> 00:26:30,050
- I think it's
almost un-American
561
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,670
not to go to those places,
you know?
562
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:34,740
♪
563
00:26:34,770 --> 00:26:36,686
- I don't know that I can put
it in any kind of perspective.
564
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:39,050
I feel the, you know,
deeply conflicting,
565
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,740
deeply confusing, exhilarating,
566
00:26:41,770 --> 00:26:44,530
heartbreaking, beautiful place.
567
00:26:44,570 --> 00:26:47,400
- Yeah, exactly.
568
00:26:59,950 --> 00:27:00,956
- When putting together
a list of where
569
00:27:00,980 --> 00:27:03,670
we're going on any given year,
570
00:27:03,710 --> 00:27:06,500
there's a really
unhealthy fascination
571
00:27:06,530 --> 00:27:10,710
with my relationship
with plumbing, shall we say.
572
00:27:10,740 --> 00:27:12,710
So basically if
I'm going without a crapper
573
00:27:12,740 --> 00:27:15,050
for extended periods of time
on one show,
574
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,786
the next show's
pretty much gonna be some place
575
00:27:16,810 --> 00:27:20,600
with good hot-water pressure
and, you know,
576
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,190
a degree of flush toilets that
577
00:27:23,220 --> 00:27:26,530
even the most skeptical
and cranky person
578
00:27:26,570 --> 00:27:28,570
would find curiously pleasing.
579
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:32,080
I never had any dreams of
580
00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:34,020
growing up
in socialist wonderland.
581
00:27:34,050 --> 00:27:36,360
Like, when I was a brief
period where I was a hippie,
582
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,600
the idea of living in a commune,
not attractive to me.
583
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,360
- I was born in a communal flat
with three other families
584
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,050
- sharing one john, one kitchen.
- No way.
585
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,880
- They would feed me
when I had no food.
586
00:27:46,910 --> 00:27:49,430
- No way.
- I share my toilet with no man.
587
00:27:53,980 --> 00:27:57,080
♪
588
00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:59,430
- Well, I'm looking forward
to the week.
589
00:27:59,460 --> 00:28:00,710
- Yeah.
590
00:28:00,740 --> 00:28:03,430
- This is a low-impact show.
591
00:28:03,460 --> 00:28:05,430
- What is a low-impact show?
592
00:28:05,460 --> 00:28:08,880
- It means I'm not,
you know, paddling upriver.
593
00:28:08,910 --> 00:28:11,740
It means I get a flush toilet,
594
00:28:11,770 --> 00:28:14,150
eating well constantly.
595
00:28:14,190 --> 00:28:17,260
- You like luxury.
- I do. Look, I do.
596
00:28:17,290 --> 00:28:20,530
I like a fluffy hotel towel.
I like a bidet.
597
00:28:20,570 --> 00:28:23,360
Look, I like warm jets of
water squirting up my ass.
598
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:24,400
I mean, who doesn't?
599
00:28:24,430 --> 00:28:31,220
♪
600
00:28:32,810 --> 00:28:36,330
I... I'd say I feel cleansed, but
that could be the diarrhea.
601
00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:38,530
I really don't understand
this whole purging thing.
602
00:28:38,570 --> 00:28:39,746
People are like...
No, is it purging?
603
00:28:39,770 --> 00:28:41,710
Cleanse... a juice cleanses,
right?
604
00:28:41,740 --> 00:28:43,096
Just travel with this show
for a while.
605
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,020
I'll tell you.
I'm feeling pretty good.
606
00:28:45,050 --> 00:28:47,190
But my crew?
Clean as a whistle.
607
00:28:47,220 --> 00:28:48,786
You could pour
mineral water through them,
608
00:28:48,810 --> 00:28:53,020
and it would come out
crystal clear.
609
00:28:53,050 --> 00:28:54,956
That's no fault of the fine
cuisine here, by the way.
610
00:28:54,980 --> 00:28:59,150
I'm convinced it was the
shiny ham at the hotel buffet.
611
00:28:59,190 --> 00:29:01,330
You warn them.
You warn them. You warn them.
612
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,500
Do they listen?
613
00:29:03,530 --> 00:29:06,220
I made a potentially
lethal mistake this morning.
614
00:29:06,260 --> 00:29:08,220
- I did something I never do.
- Which is?
615
00:29:08,260 --> 00:29:10,050
- I ate a western breakfast
at the hotel.
616
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,530
I'm feeling it already.
617
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,710
How do you do this
and be a good person?
618
00:29:16,740 --> 00:29:18,400
I don't think you can.
619
00:29:18,430 --> 00:29:21,360
Like, if you wanted
to do this regularly
620
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,050
for the rest of your life...
621
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,080
I would like to spend
three months out of the year
622
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,020
in a hammock looking out
at the Caribbean
623
00:29:28,050 --> 00:29:31,950
in a secluded beach like this.
624
00:29:31,980 --> 00:29:34,710
You'd have to do
bad things to do this, right?
625
00:29:34,740 --> 00:29:36,360
You feel guilty
eating this well?
626
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:37,400
- I do.
- You do?
627
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:38,840
- I do.
628
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,600
- I'm feeling guilty now,
but it will pass.
629
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:42,886
- 'Cause guilt
keeps coming back.
630
00:29:42,910 --> 00:29:44,840
You keep bringing up the guilt.
631
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,770
- You're right.
- I feel guilty.
632
00:29:46,810 --> 00:29:49,500
- Then don't do these shows.
633
00:29:49,530 --> 00:29:51,710
What are you doing here
if you feel so guilty about it?
634
00:29:51,740 --> 00:29:53,080
- I know. I know.
635
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,770
I feel guilty
about not feeling guilty.
636
00:29:54,810 --> 00:29:56,530
- That's more to the point.
- Right.
637
00:29:56,570 --> 00:29:58,950
- Now you're starting
to be honest with yourself.
638
00:29:58,980 --> 00:30:01,050
- Right.
639
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,506
- If you have a film crew
and a network
640
00:30:02,530 --> 00:30:03,770
willing to send you places,
641
00:30:03,810 --> 00:30:05,530
chase the things
that interest you.
642
00:30:05,570 --> 00:30:08,500
If you wanna... if you're gonna
go to Japan for the 19th time
643
00:30:08,530 --> 00:30:11,050
on someone else's dime,
make it about tentacle porn.
644
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,260
That's cool.
Teach us something we don't know
645
00:30:13,290 --> 00:30:15,570
or haven't seen before,
because why not?
646
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,050
Contrary to what some critics
may say, it's important to me
647
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,220
that we saw him work
the system some times.
648
00:30:22,260 --> 00:30:26,150
- You couldn't actually show
humans penetrating each other.
649
00:30:26,190 --> 00:30:28,500
- So I invented tentacles...
- Right.
650
00:30:28,530 --> 00:30:30,530
- To be evasive about the law.
651
00:30:30,570 --> 00:30:35,880
- So how big is the, uh,
sadomasochistic community?
652
00:30:35,910 --> 00:30:38,190
How many people
are active participants?
653
00:30:38,220 --> 00:30:40,096
I would never do that
as a responsible journalist,
654
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,330
but I'm interested
in investigating it.
655
00:30:44,770 --> 00:30:46,260
- Thank you, sir.
- Did you smoke it?
656
00:30:46,290 --> 00:30:48,330
- Yeah, I can't
compare and contrast,
657
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,530
because I've been trying them
all one after the other.
658
00:30:52,810 --> 00:30:54,220
- I'm trying to be respectful of
659
00:30:54,260 --> 00:30:57,530
a five-century
religious tradition here.
660
00:30:57,570 --> 00:30:59,570
Uh, I'm not sure
about the teeth.
661
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,600
We got this.
662
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,430
- This is the necklace one.
- Ooh.
663
00:31:03,460 --> 00:31:05,096
I'm trying to think
of a circumstance that
664
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,330
you could wear
that around your neck.
665
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,570
Aw, jeez, it's a cock-alanche.
666
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,810
♪
667
00:31:26,810 --> 00:31:28,500
No. No, it can't be over.
668
00:31:28,530 --> 00:31:30,330
Not yet. No!
669
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,330
- There was kind of
a gleeful juvenilia to Tony
670
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,050
that was appealing on some level
671
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,740
but a little bit tiresome
after a while.
672
00:31:35,770 --> 00:31:37,686
There were stories that he went
back to again and again.
673
00:31:37,710 --> 00:31:40,770
There were punching bags
that he just could not resist
674
00:31:40,810 --> 00:31:42,080
punching again and again.
675
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,050
But I think every one of us
676
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,546
who was willing
to put up with them, because
677
00:31:45,570 --> 00:31:47,770
one of the pleasures
of watching the show over time
678
00:31:47,810 --> 00:31:49,770
and watching him over time
was watching
679
00:31:49,810 --> 00:31:51,400
the punching bags
transform into people
680
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:53,430
and watching those people
turn into friends.
681
00:31:55,980 --> 00:31:57,196
One of the more
fascinating aspects was
682
00:31:57,220 --> 00:31:59,330
the friendship with Eric Ripert.
683
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,910
There was a feeling
of inferiority.
684
00:32:01,950 --> 00:32:03,236
- Stop trying to
suck up to teacher.
685
00:32:03,260 --> 00:32:06,500
I saw that.
Apple polisher.
686
00:32:06,530 --> 00:32:09,360
You basically just rip your
ideas off of small businessmen.
687
00:32:11,710 --> 00:32:13,770
- You got that, right?
688
00:32:13,810 --> 00:32:17,740
- And in fact, Ripert turns out
to be this goofy, kind guy
689
00:32:17,770 --> 00:32:21,840
who doesn't mind being the butt
of literally everyone's jokes.
690
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:22,880
Who saw that coming?
691
00:32:22,910 --> 00:32:24,670
- Do you have pizza experience?
692
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:26,220
- Never did a pizza in my life.
693
00:32:26,260 --> 00:32:27,500
- Does he know this?
694
00:32:27,530 --> 00:32:29,220
Look at this line.
695
00:32:29,260 --> 00:32:31,740
Stop dicking around
with your insane perfectionism.
696
00:32:31,770 --> 00:32:32,950
He's new.
He's new.
697
00:32:32,980 --> 00:32:35,260
I... I can't do anything with him.
698
00:32:35,290 --> 00:32:37,026
- You think you are
going to the moon or what?
699
00:32:37,050 --> 00:32:38,056
- You'll be bitchin'
in those things.
700
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,880
- No, man.
- Yeah, you'll look cool.
701
00:32:40,910 --> 00:32:43,150
- You wish me bad luck.
- No, I don't.
702
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:45,056
I just think you should have
proper footwear, man.
703
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,020
Your ability to drink leads to
704
00:32:47,050 --> 00:32:48,336
a number of
assumptions about you,
705
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,740
you know, your general
manliness, penis size,
706
00:32:51,770 --> 00:32:53,530
your worth as a human being.
707
00:32:53,570 --> 00:32:57,050
- I'm comfortable with my size.
708
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,020
- Oh.
- Jeez.
709
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:05,740
- Not all the time.
710
00:33:05,770 --> 00:33:08,360
- Oh... whoa... hey!
- Whoa!
711
00:33:09,460 --> 00:33:10,910
- My jacket.
712
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:12,430
- Oh, yeah, blame your jacket.
713
00:33:12,460 --> 00:33:13,770
There you go.
714
00:33:13,810 --> 00:33:15,500
- Oh!
715
00:33:15,530 --> 00:33:18,050
- U.S.A.
- [both laugh]
716
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,710
Whoo.
I've never seen him so happy.
717
00:33:22,190 --> 00:33:24,050
- All right.
- It's Miller time.
718
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,336
- These were men
who loved each other,
719
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,220
and we got to see that
on television,
720
00:33:27,260 --> 00:33:29,056
and they weren't really shy
about hiding that.
721
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,710
It was goofy,
and he made Ripert eat
722
00:33:31,740 --> 00:33:33,400
Sichuan chilies until he wept.
723
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:37,150
But it all came from a place
of love and affection
724
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:39,190
that is rarely captured
on television
725
00:33:39,220 --> 00:33:41,840
and honestly would be
very, very hard to replace.
726
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,260
- Whoa.
- I'm telling you,
727
00:33:43,290 --> 00:33:44,950
I'd feel
a lot more comfortable if
728
00:33:44,980 --> 00:33:47,530
you hadn't had
two portions of eggs.
729
00:33:47,570 --> 00:33:50,710
- This is amazing.
730
00:33:50,740 --> 00:33:52,950
Come in my selfie.
731
00:33:55,770 --> 00:33:57,740
Oh, it's a video.
Hold on.
732
00:33:57,770 --> 00:33:59,950
- Eric's a Buddhist
with really good, solid,
733
00:33:59,980 --> 00:34:01,770
like, you know, values.
734
00:34:01,810 --> 00:34:04,500
Like, I've never seen him
wish ill on another human being.
735
00:34:04,530 --> 00:34:07,740
He really does live up
to his Buddhist faith.
736
00:34:07,770 --> 00:34:10,190
It's rather incredible that
he could be friends with me.
737
00:34:10,220 --> 00:34:13,530
I know it's caused him
problems at times.
738
00:34:13,570 --> 00:34:16,190
Everyone who appears on
television should be so lucky
739
00:34:16,220 --> 00:34:20,600
as to have a...
An Eric Ripert in their life.
740
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,360
And thank God
he's got a sense of humor,
741
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,950
'cause when he makes
television with me,
742
00:34:25,980 --> 00:34:27,880
he's always gonna need it.
743
00:34:38,570 --> 00:34:40,056
- I think that Tony never
shied away from the fact that
744
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,710
he was changing the narrative.
745
00:34:41,740 --> 00:34:42,840
He was changing the story.
746
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,190
He was bending reality.
747
00:34:45,220 --> 00:34:46,770
This was
his experience in the world,
748
00:34:46,810 --> 00:34:48,670
that he never shied away
from suggesting that
749
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:50,910
people go out
and find their own experience.
750
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:57,050
♪
751
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,050
The beauty of making
so many episodes
752
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,190
and traveling so many times
and revisiting so many times
753
00:35:02,220 --> 00:35:05,050
is that there is
always more to see.
754
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,500
There is a large story,
and then there's a small story,
755
00:35:07,530 --> 00:35:09,026
and if you peek inside
that small story,
756
00:35:09,050 --> 00:35:10,670
there are
a thousand more stories.
757
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:12,840
And his willingness
to let those stories be told
758
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,740
and find the right storytellers
for each one of those
759
00:35:15,770 --> 00:35:17,020
was incredibly impactful.
760
00:35:20,770 --> 00:35:28,050
♪
761
00:35:45,220 --> 00:35:48,360
On the one hand, they are this
perfect expression of a guy
762
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,910
who was an aesthete,
who had very strong tastes.
763
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:53,910
He had very good taste in
a lot of things, not just food,
764
00:35:53,950 --> 00:35:56,020
and felt very strongly, clearly,
765
00:35:56,050 --> 00:35:57,166
about expressing that
in the show.
766
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:58,500
There was no bullshit.
767
00:35:58,530 --> 00:36:00,360
If he wanted
a certain type of music,
768
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:01,786
he would get that musician
to play that music.
769
00:36:01,810 --> 00:36:03,376
If he wanted
stylistic reference, I'm sure
770
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,150
he would make
everyone on the crew
771
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:08,050
watch a hundred movies
until you got it exactly right.
772
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,840
That has value in and of itself,
773
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,600
but what he did with
that reference was purposeful.
774
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,400
What he taught me
about working-class cinema
775
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:18,260
and about the absolutely
inextricable connection
776
00:36:18,290 --> 00:36:20,910
between an artist and a place,
777
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:22,330
that's much more meaningful
778
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,050
than just
dropping a loose reference.
779
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,740
It's a beautiful package
780
00:36:25,770 --> 00:36:28,600
to Trojan-horse some
other thought inside of it.
781
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:37,770
♪
782
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,910
♪
783
00:36:55,080 --> 00:37:02,220
♪
784
00:37:57,530 --> 00:37:59,570
- After all
these years traveling,
785
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,880
and when you look back,
what resonates?
786
00:38:02,910 --> 00:38:05,710
- I see a lot of poverty.
- I see a lot of cruelty.
787
00:38:05,740 --> 00:38:08,330
I have reason to feel angry
or frustrated
788
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,050
or heartbroken frequently.
789
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,400
It angers me to see
a place like, you know,
790
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:16,050
Detroit, a great American city,
791
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,840
that... that's failed, or been...
Or allowed to fail.
792
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,740
To see New Orleans post-Katrina
makes me angry.
793
00:38:23,770 --> 00:38:26,220
To see Camden, New Jersey
in my own state
794
00:38:26,260 --> 00:38:29,950
that I grew up in,
it... it makes me angry.
795
00:38:29,980 --> 00:38:34,500
Yes, there's a lot of
scary, ugly stuff in it,
796
00:38:34,530 --> 00:38:38,530
but there is much more,
I still think,
797
00:38:38,570 --> 00:38:41,910
beauty and kindness
798
00:38:41,950 --> 00:38:45,600
and humor and people
doing the best they can
799
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,740
in... in often very,
very difficult situations.
800
00:38:48,770 --> 00:38:52,710
It is a magnificent planet
filled with fascinating
801
00:38:52,740 --> 00:38:56,400
and more often than not
beautiful people.
802
00:38:59,430 --> 00:39:00,570
♪
803
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,400
Where's that sandwich?
804
00:39:02,430 --> 00:39:04,330
- I've been thinking about
this a lot recently.
805
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,360
This is a man who traveled
the world...
806
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,150
You know, what was it,
200 days a year, more?
807
00:39:10,190 --> 00:39:12,220
At this point,
every place he went,
808
00:39:12,260 --> 00:39:14,220
he had dozens,
if not hundreds, of people
809
00:39:14,260 --> 00:39:16,190
who considered him
a good friend.
810
00:39:16,220 --> 00:39:19,740
And he made every single person
feel like he was their friend
811
00:39:19,770 --> 00:39:22,530
for the time
that they were together.
812
00:39:22,570 --> 00:39:25,150
That boggles my mind.
813
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:28,570
- We get recognized
from being on that show.
814
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,260
And when I say restaurants,
I'm talking about, you know,
815
00:39:31,290 --> 00:39:35,260
greasy spoons all the way up
to fine dining establishments.
816
00:39:35,290 --> 00:39:36,886
People come over to the table
and they say,
817
00:39:36,910 --> 00:39:39,530
"Did we see you
on Bourdain's show?"
818
00:39:39,570 --> 00:39:41,080
"Yeah, that was us."
819
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:42,840
Sometimes we don't
have to pay for the meal.
820
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:44,926
- There's a million of these
821
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:46,330
Tony Bourdain stories out there
822
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,400
of just how decent and nice
823
00:39:48,430 --> 00:39:50,840
and accessible
he was to everybody.
824
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,500
- Mmm.
825
00:39:52,530 --> 00:39:55,260
- But the idea that
he could feel self-conscious
826
00:39:55,290 --> 00:39:56,910
or he could feel humbled
827
00:39:56,950 --> 00:40:00,430
or he could feel unable
to form a sentence,
828
00:40:00,460 --> 00:40:03,220
again, I think that's how
most people felt around him.
829
00:40:03,260 --> 00:40:05,880
- And I think that, you know,
830
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:09,050
Iranians have that experience
of feeling like,
831
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,600
"Hey, this guy
saw the value in us."
832
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,220
Obviously people in Africa
have that experience.
833
00:40:16,260 --> 00:40:18,910
People that work in kitchens
have that experience.
834
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:20,190
- I don't know how he did it.
835
00:40:20,220 --> 00:40:22,220
I will never know how he did it,
836
00:40:22,260 --> 00:40:24,670
the ability to walk
into any room
837
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:29,500
in any country in the world
and appear to be at ease,
838
00:40:29,530 --> 00:40:31,600
at least at ease without
839
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,150
overcompensation,
without overconfidence,
840
00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:36,020
and to make others feel at ease
841
00:40:36,050 --> 00:40:38,150
to be able to break bread
with anybody,
842
00:40:38,190 --> 00:40:40,430
to have a toast
with almost anybody.
843
00:40:40,460 --> 00:40:42,190
♪
844
00:40:42,220 --> 00:40:43,740
- To victor, Roland.
845
00:40:43,770 --> 00:40:45,150
Victory in our time.
846
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:46,880
- Uh-oh.
- Don't be afraid.
847
00:40:46,910 --> 00:40:48,050
- Don't be afraid.
848
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,050
My first turbo.
Cheers.
849
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:51,220
Cheers.
850
00:40:51,260 --> 00:40:52,570
- Cheers!
- Oh!
851
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,500
- Oh, yeah.
- Just like old times.
852
00:40:54,530 --> 00:40:57,080
- I think that's probably
the best way to understand
853
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:58,710
Tony Bourdain on television,
is that
854
00:40:58,740 --> 00:41:00,530
he was nominally
the host of these shows,
855
00:41:00,570 --> 00:41:02,740
but he really was
the ultimate guest.
856
00:41:05,740 --> 00:41:07,190
- Just 'cause I'm
a bit of a dick,
857
00:41:07,220 --> 00:41:08,546
- I have to ask this question.
- No, I love it.
858
00:41:08,570 --> 00:41:10,600
- Oh, okay.
859
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:14,266
Well, I hope the food's good
at this thing.
860
00:41:14,290 --> 00:41:16,430
- It's so important
to Tony's mission
861
00:41:16,460 --> 00:41:19,400
to remember that to
eat the food of the world,
862
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:22,020
you don't have to have
a lot of frequent flyer miles.
863
00:41:22,050 --> 00:41:23,910
You don't have to have
a lot of money.
864
00:41:23,950 --> 00:41:26,430
- Tony's part of history,
865
00:41:26,460 --> 00:41:27,910
everywhere's history,
866
00:41:27,950 --> 00:41:29,600
every nation's history.
867
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,400
- The excess of evil
may not exist in him.
868
00:41:32,430 --> 00:41:33,950
So just normal evil
869
00:41:33,980 --> 00:41:36,220
like everybody else, yeah?
870
00:41:36,260 --> 00:41:37,886
- You were a guy who
at various points in life
871
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:39,500
has pretty much
one way or the other
872
00:41:39,530 --> 00:41:41,740
been able
to have a lot of things
873
00:41:41,770 --> 00:41:45,950
that ordinary people
would never have.
874
00:41:45,980 --> 00:41:47,220
- Yeah.
875
00:41:47,260 --> 00:41:48,376
- You've had
many, many adventures.
876
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,430
- I know.
- Given that,
877
00:41:50,460 --> 00:41:54,330
what thrills you now?
878
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,880
- The nicest stuff right now...
- This is very embarrassing,
879
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:59,770
but it's really emb...
880
00:41:59,810 --> 00:42:03,050
Being loved and actually
881
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,430
appreciating the people
that are giving that to me.
882
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,740
- And I guess that's what
we all want as human beings,
883
00:42:11,770 --> 00:42:15,020
isn't it?
To be loved, to be cherished.
884
00:42:15,050 --> 00:42:17,950
- This is Anthony Bourdain, CNN.
885
00:42:17,980 --> 00:42:19,910
Good night, and eat more SPAM.
68806
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