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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,570 --> 00:00:06,950 - How do we make a show that looks completely different 2 00:00:06,980 --> 00:00:08,500 than the show we did last week? 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,050 It's nice if you really, really liked last week's show, 4 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,840 but I'm not going to do that one again. 5 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,880 Certainty is my enemy. You know, I'm all about doubt. 6 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,880 I started doing this late in life. 7 00:00:25,910 --> 00:00:29,670 I can't say that I'm evolving or maturing 8 00:00:29,710 --> 00:00:32,190 or doing anything differently. 9 00:00:32,220 --> 00:00:35,360 Same dick I was 13 years ago. 10 00:00:37,220 --> 00:00:38,880 ♪ I took a walk through this ♪ 11 00:00:38,910 --> 00:00:42,260 ♪ Beautiful world 12 00:00:42,290 --> 00:00:47,150 ♪ Felt the cool rain on my shoulder ♪ 13 00:00:47,190 --> 00:00:50,740 ♪ Found something good in this ♪ 14 00:00:50,770 --> 00:00:53,430 ♪ Beautiful world 15 00:00:53,460 --> 00:00:59,220 ♪ I felt the rain getting colder ♪ 16 00:00:59,260 --> 00:01:02,770 - ♪ La, la - ♪ Sha la, la, la, la 17 00:01:02,810 --> 00:01:04,600 ♪ Sha la, la, la, la 18 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,770 - ♪ Sha la, la, la - Sha la, la, la, la ♪ 19 00:01:08,810 --> 00:01:13,710 ♪ Sha la, la, la, la, la 20 00:01:15,290 --> 00:01:17,150 - What do you think he did, I mean, 21 00:01:17,190 --> 00:01:19,840 in terms of the impact on television? 22 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,500 - Yeah. - It's so multifaceted, so... 23 00:01:21,530 --> 00:01:23,330 - Sure. 24 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,400 I think that prior to Tony on television, 25 00:01:26,430 --> 00:01:30,950 food TV, such as it was, and travel TV, such as it was, 26 00:01:30,980 --> 00:01:33,400 were both essentially serviced-based. 27 00:01:33,430 --> 00:01:35,020 It was very top-down. 28 00:01:35,050 --> 00:01:36,880 There's an expert showing you what to do 29 00:01:36,910 --> 00:01:38,376 when you're in an unfamiliar situation. 30 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,376 "I don't know how to make this." Here's how you do it. 31 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,260 "I don't know what to do when I'm there." 32 00:01:42,290 --> 00:01:45,050 Here's what you do. Here's what everybody does. 33 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,500 What I wished for often was specificity. 34 00:01:47,530 --> 00:01:50,080 Take me to a place. Show me that real place. 35 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:51,500 Show me what motivates people. 36 00:01:59,770 --> 00:02:01,260 - You did travel with him. 37 00:02:01,290 --> 00:02:04,150 You were sitting in your couch in your home, 38 00:02:04,190 --> 00:02:06,330 but you were with him wherever he went. 39 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,880 - He would be overseas in the Far East one week 40 00:02:08,910 --> 00:02:10,430 and then maybe in the Bronx, 41 00:02:10,460 --> 00:02:13,430 you know, the next week, or in Miami the next week. 42 00:02:13,460 --> 00:02:17,530 - He wasn't worried about protecting a boxed image 43 00:02:17,570 --> 00:02:19,570 of who he was, right? 44 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,840 It was like, "I'm gonna put myself in this experience, 45 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,600 and it's gonna be what it is." 46 00:02:23,640 --> 00:02:26,500 - I perceived him a little bit like Indiana Jones. 47 00:02:26,530 --> 00:02:30,600 He could be on the road in a T-shirt having a beer 48 00:02:30,640 --> 00:02:33,570 or in a kitchen talking to the line cooks. 49 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,840 And then he could come home and put on a suit and tie 50 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,670 and be a man about town giving a tribute speech 51 00:02:38,710 --> 00:02:40,020 to his publisher. 52 00:02:40,050 --> 00:02:41,880 You know, he cleaned up good, 53 00:02:41,910 --> 00:02:45,190 but he was also really comfortable out in the wild. 54 00:02:45,220 --> 00:02:48,050 - You see a man step foot into the world 55 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,220 kind of shaky at first, kind of unsure, 56 00:02:50,260 --> 00:02:52,600 increasing in confidence in who he is 57 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:56,260 as he's buffeted by a larger world full of doubt, 58 00:02:56,290 --> 00:02:58,190 full of ambiguity, full of questions, 59 00:02:58,220 --> 00:03:00,910 full of unknowable things and react accordingly. 60 00:03:12,050 --> 00:03:13,530 - I would describe myself as 61 00:03:13,570 --> 00:03:16,080 a lucky cook who gets to tell stories. 62 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:21,740 And I think any other... I'm certainly not a journalist. 63 00:03:21,770 --> 00:03:24,600 I'm not a chef anymore. 64 00:03:24,640 --> 00:03:27,220 I'd like to flatter myself by saying I'm an essayist, 65 00:03:27,260 --> 00:03:30,880 but I'm a storyteller. 66 00:03:30,910 --> 00:03:35,220 I see stuff. I talk about that. 67 00:03:35,260 --> 00:03:37,360 I talk about how it made me feel at the time. 68 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,406 I think that's the best... If you can do that honestly, 69 00:03:39,430 --> 00:03:42,190 that's about the best you could hope for I think. 70 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,840 I... I don't feel I'm capable of going back and having 71 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,050 an intelligent conversation about my experience. 72 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:52,910 I feel all messed up emotionally. 73 00:03:52,950 --> 00:03:55,400 - But then I think this means that you truly came here, 74 00:03:55,430 --> 00:03:57,096 because when you get close to something you understand 75 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:58,840 that you don't understand what's going on. 76 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,220 When you're far from it, 77 00:04:00,260 --> 00:04:02,080 it seems kind of solvable and simple. 78 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:03,570 When you go in to it, you say, "Hey, 79 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,150 it doesn't make any sense," you know? 80 00:04:05,190 --> 00:04:07,840 So it means that you've really been here. 81 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,260 - It is post-apocalyptic. 82 00:04:10,290 --> 00:04:12,080 It's like a science fiction film. 83 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:13,770 What the hell happened here? 84 00:04:13,810 --> 00:04:15,530 - Well, it is post-apocalyptic 85 00:04:15,570 --> 00:04:17,950 except for the fact there's several hundred thousand 86 00:04:17,980 --> 00:04:19,020 people living here. 87 00:04:21,740 --> 00:04:23,710 - So the conventional wisdom seemed to be, 88 00:04:23,740 --> 00:04:24,746 "It's time to get out of Camden." 89 00:04:24,770 --> 00:04:25,840 Why are you still here? 90 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:27,530 - Because the need is in Camden. 91 00:04:27,570 --> 00:04:30,190 If every decent person in Camden leaves Camden, 92 00:04:30,220 --> 00:04:31,740 then we never have a chance. 93 00:04:31,770 --> 00:04:33,546 - You're gonna stay? - I'm not going anywhere. 94 00:04:33,570 --> 00:04:35,600 My pop-pop didn't leave. I'm not leaving. 95 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,020 ♪ 96 00:04:40,050 --> 00:04:41,546 - This is the only reason they're gone. 97 00:04:41,570 --> 00:04:43,220 This is the only reason for... 98 00:04:43,260 --> 00:04:45,430 Just to protect my children and my wife. 99 00:04:45,460 --> 00:04:47,770 - 20 years, 30 years... - Yeah. 100 00:04:47,810 --> 00:04:49,190 - will things be better? 101 00:04:49,220 --> 00:04:52,190 - Not 20 years and 30 year. - Hope now. 102 00:04:52,220 --> 00:04:54,840 Next year, thing goes better. 103 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:07,080 - To me, I really feel a strong need to forgive... 104 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,740 - Mm-hmm. - And then forget. 105 00:05:09,770 --> 00:05:13,080 And then move on. 106 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,050 - You used to be a tour guide. - Yes. 107 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:17,950 - I know you have to bring people over 108 00:05:17,980 --> 00:05:19,330 to the American War Museum. 109 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,670 In your lifetime, is there gonna be a time 110 00:05:21,710 --> 00:05:24,330 when that's not gonna have to be a stop? 111 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:25,840 No one will remember. 112 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:27,530 Or should people always remember? 113 00:05:27,570 --> 00:05:29,570 - I think it's good to remember. 114 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:34,710 And I think it's good that... That... 115 00:05:38,260 --> 00:05:41,530 It's important that we know about history... 116 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,360 And to make sure it's never happen again. 117 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,190 - In conversations that I had with him, you know, 118 00:05:52,220 --> 00:05:54,050 he'd say, "Look, I'm not a journalist." 119 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,570 And it's funny because, you know, I'm a journalist, 120 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:02,150 and I work with and live with another journalist 121 00:06:02,190 --> 00:06:03,880 and spend a lot of time with journalists. 122 00:06:03,910 --> 00:06:08,050 And going and talking to people, telling stories, 123 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:13,500 hearing people's stories that illuminate a place, 124 00:06:13,530 --> 00:06:17,220 if that's not journalism, I'm really not sure what is. 125 00:06:18,530 --> 00:06:21,670 - How often do you get to sneak out for a beer? 126 00:06:21,710 --> 00:06:23,190 - Very rarely. 127 00:06:23,220 --> 00:06:25,910 First of all, I don't get to sneak out, period. 128 00:06:28,570 --> 00:06:31,880 - The beauty of TV to me is that it is a cumulative medium. 129 00:06:31,910 --> 00:06:33,670 It's a serialized storytelling. 130 00:06:33,710 --> 00:06:35,190 Every emotional moment 131 00:06:35,220 --> 00:06:39,080 we get to in season four of a show is earned. 132 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,530 It's built on the back of everything that came before. 133 00:06:41,570 --> 00:06:42,786 There was a comfort level there. 134 00:06:42,810 --> 00:06:43,950 We knew each other. 135 00:06:43,980 --> 00:06:45,880 He knew he could push us. 136 00:06:45,910 --> 00:06:47,880 We knew that he would try to push us. 137 00:06:47,910 --> 00:06:50,220 - People felt like they knew him. 138 00:06:50,260 --> 00:06:55,050 They felt like if they met him, he would look out for them. 139 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:56,266 That sounds weird, but I think 140 00:06:56,290 --> 00:06:57,740 that's how people felt about him. 141 00:06:57,770 --> 00:06:59,360 They felt like he was in their corner. 142 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,080 They felt like he was a force for good. 143 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,150 They felt like his heart was in the right place. 144 00:07:03,190 --> 00:07:05,710 They felt like he was willing to stick his neck out for people. 145 00:07:05,740 --> 00:07:08,080 - He was honest about anything he saw, 146 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,500 not to censor himself 147 00:07:10,530 --> 00:07:12,600 whether positive or negative. 148 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,080 I think that's very important, 149 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,260 and that's why many people connect, 150 00:07:17,290 --> 00:07:19,220 'cause they see he's talking about... like, 151 00:07:19,260 --> 00:07:20,950 even the words that he threw out sometimes. 152 00:07:20,980 --> 00:07:23,770 I was like, "Jason, can he say that on TV?" 153 00:07:23,810 --> 00:07:26,840 He was like, "Tony can." 154 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,330 - What is the perception of Mr. Putin these days? 155 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,740 After 14 years, he's in power. 156 00:07:31,770 --> 00:07:33,910 - My... my perception? - His personal... 157 00:07:33,950 --> 00:07:36,880 - Do you really want to hear it? 158 00:07:36,910 --> 00:07:39,400 - I'm not sure, but let's see. 159 00:07:39,430 --> 00:07:42,570 - A former mid-level manager in a large corporation. 160 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,770 Short. I think that's very important. 161 00:07:44,810 --> 00:07:46,260 Short. 162 00:07:46,290 --> 00:07:48,600 - Who has found himself master of the universe. 163 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,020 And like a lot of short people, if you piss them off, 164 00:07:52,050 --> 00:07:54,740 bad things happen to you. 165 00:07:54,770 --> 00:07:56,096 He likes to take his shirt off a lot. 166 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,500 Let's be serious, I mean... 167 00:07:59,530 --> 00:08:02,670 - He strikes me as a businessman... 168 00:08:02,710 --> 00:08:04,430 - He is. - A businessman with an ego. 169 00:08:04,460 --> 00:08:07,430 Okay, so he's like Donald Trump, but shorter. 170 00:08:07,460 --> 00:08:10,840 - Increasingly the show became about the world around him 171 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,330 and the frame outside of where he was standing. 172 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:14,950 And I think he really understood 173 00:08:14,980 --> 00:08:17,020 the real power in his position 174 00:08:17,050 --> 00:08:19,670 was getting the cameras to the place in the first place 175 00:08:19,710 --> 00:08:21,260 so that he could turn them around, 176 00:08:21,290 --> 00:08:23,050 so that he could put the people 177 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,190 who otherwise would never be on camera on camera, 178 00:08:25,220 --> 00:08:27,026 so he could put the cultures and the traditions 179 00:08:27,050 --> 00:08:29,500 that have never been seen before on camera, 180 00:08:29,530 --> 00:08:31,220 so he could show us something, 181 00:08:31,260 --> 00:08:34,190 not just show us him seeing something. 182 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,530 - You have a very highly educated public here, 183 00:08:39,570 --> 00:08:41,260 one of the most literate nations on Earth. 184 00:08:41,290 --> 00:08:43,330 - That's funny. - We are highly educated, 185 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,400 like you said, but we're behind 186 00:08:46,430 --> 00:08:49,050 concerning internet and all that stuff. 187 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,670 Most of us have access to only the official media, 188 00:08:52,710 --> 00:08:54,080 the official newspaper. 189 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,330 If internet comes, 190 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,330 and I think that government is trying to delay it, 191 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,260 if that comes, then I think we change. 192 00:09:02,290 --> 00:09:05,500 People who will have access to different points of view, 193 00:09:05,530 --> 00:09:08,770 and I don't think our government wants that. 194 00:09:12,050 --> 00:09:13,686 - A lot of things happen in a lot of different 195 00:09:13,710 --> 00:09:16,150 parts of the country sort of simultaneously. 196 00:09:16,190 --> 00:09:17,506 Kind of amazing that all of these people 197 00:09:17,530 --> 00:09:19,670 came together very fast. 198 00:09:19,710 --> 00:09:20,880 - How did it happen? - Yeah. 199 00:09:20,910 --> 00:09:22,150 - Easy. Twitter. 200 00:09:22,190 --> 00:09:23,500 - Twitter? - Yeah. 201 00:09:23,530 --> 00:09:24,810 - It was really like that? - Yes. 202 00:09:27,460 --> 00:09:30,190 - Did anyone think it was possible that in their lifetime 203 00:09:30,220 --> 00:09:31,886 they were gonna see the end of this son of a... 204 00:09:31,910 --> 00:09:33,950 Most people are telling me they'd never dream. 205 00:09:33,980 --> 00:09:37,150 - I don't know if you can call them dreams, hopes, wishes. 206 00:09:37,190 --> 00:09:39,880 It was just something in the sky, 207 00:09:39,910 --> 00:09:42,050 - something I look at every night. - Right. 208 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,670 - But when I hit that point and got into Misrata 209 00:09:45,710 --> 00:09:50,400 and stood on Gaddafi's body, any dream will come true. 210 00:09:50,430 --> 00:09:52,570 - This is a big oil-rich country. 211 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,430 Why doesn't it look like Dubai? 212 00:09:54,460 --> 00:09:59,020 - Well, I... I hate to be on this show and talk Niger down... 213 00:09:59,050 --> 00:10:00,840 You know what it is... because 214 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,050 you hear all these things all the time. 215 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,190 So... so yes, there is corruption. It is about corruption. 216 00:10:06,220 --> 00:10:09,770 It's about the fact that the resources that are supposed 217 00:10:09,810 --> 00:10:12,530 to be used for people aren't being used for people. 218 00:10:12,570 --> 00:10:17,050 Years of military rule meant that people were brutalized. 219 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,910 There was a fight against thinking. 220 00:10:19,950 --> 00:10:22,330 Imagine if they were all well-educated, 221 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,670 if they had access to finance. 222 00:10:24,710 --> 00:10:26,670 I believe if you're a black person, 223 00:10:26,710 --> 00:10:29,770 whether you're African or you're African-American, 224 00:10:29,810 --> 00:10:31,670 you're never going to get any respect 225 00:10:31,710 --> 00:10:35,840 unless there's a successful black nation. 226 00:10:38,050 --> 00:10:40,080 - Even if you've been traveling nearly nonstop 227 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,950 for 15 years like me, there are places 228 00:10:42,980 --> 00:10:46,080 that snap you out of your comfortable worldview, 229 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,770 take your assumptions and your prejudices, 230 00:10:48,810 --> 00:10:50,360 and turn them upside down. 231 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,530 They lead you to believe 232 00:10:52,570 --> 00:10:56,190 that maybe there is hope in the world. 233 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,050 - Uh, I eat a lot of meals. 234 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:10,190 I'm told about 400 per shooting season 235 00:11:10,220 --> 00:11:13,150 um, off and on camera. 236 00:11:13,190 --> 00:11:16,500 Many of those meals are good. 237 00:11:16,530 --> 00:11:20,050 Many are really bad. 238 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:26,430 Many are memorable for reasons good and bad. 239 00:11:26,460 --> 00:11:30,050 A few are epic, truly epic. 240 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:31,880 They... but they do come along probably 241 00:11:31,910 --> 00:11:35,080 with more regularity in my life than yours, 242 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,050 and I will gloat about that on Instagram 243 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:38,670 whenever possible, by the way. 244 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,220 - Tony, get closer. 245 00:11:44,260 --> 00:11:45,436 - You are totally sending me every one 246 00:11:45,460 --> 00:11:46,786 - of those pictures by the way. - Yeah. 247 00:11:46,810 --> 00:11:48,020 - Wow. Look at that. 248 00:11:48,050 --> 00:11:49,740 This style of dish goes back 249 00:11:49,770 --> 00:11:50,740 long before cameras, 250 00:11:50,770 --> 00:11:52,400 but it's perfect. 251 00:11:52,430 --> 00:11:54,080 Is there a more perfect 252 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,770 assortment of colors and textures? 253 00:11:56,810 --> 00:12:01,080 Everything great about cooking is encapsulated in this dish. 254 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,020 Often the ugliest dishes are 255 00:12:03,050 --> 00:12:04,786 the ones that are the most hauntingly delicious. 256 00:12:04,810 --> 00:12:06,770 - Raw blood soup. 257 00:12:06,810 --> 00:12:08,096 - Are we eating out of an open wound? 258 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,150 - Whole live frogs with garlic. 259 00:12:11,190 --> 00:12:13,670 - That's one of the many stomach of the cow. 260 00:12:13,710 --> 00:12:18,770 - Alternately unrecognizable, scorchingly hot, or both. 261 00:12:18,810 --> 00:12:20,360 Well, I'll tell you, those are some of 262 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:21,716 the best beans I ever had, no doubt about it. 263 00:12:21,740 --> 00:12:22,710 - You serious? - This dude's been everywhere. 264 00:12:22,740 --> 00:12:23,770 - Come on, man. 265 00:12:23,810 --> 00:12:24,770 - There not just delicious. 266 00:12:24,810 --> 00:12:26,220 They're luxurious. 267 00:12:26,260 --> 00:12:28,190 - What can you do to make it better? 268 00:12:28,220 --> 00:12:30,150 - It's perfect. - There's no improving this dish. 269 00:12:30,190 --> 00:12:33,880 - No. Now nobody talks. - Only we eat. 270 00:12:33,910 --> 00:12:35,910 - Right. - Total silence. 271 00:12:35,950 --> 00:12:38,430 You put far more on the table than 272 00:12:38,460 --> 00:12:40,740 anyone could conceivably eat. Is that... 273 00:12:40,770 --> 00:12:43,400 - If you don't like your guest, you don't put anything. 274 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,190 - Look, I've eaten at a lot of 275 00:12:46,220 --> 00:12:47,950 great restaurants around the world, 276 00:12:47,980 --> 00:12:49,786 and there was still a little part of me that was saying, 277 00:12:49,810 --> 00:12:51,500 you know, "This is gonna be bull..." 278 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,260 - The guy is out in the field 279 00:12:55,290 --> 00:12:57,430 yanking leaves out of the ground. 280 00:12:57,460 --> 00:12:59,840 I really didn't expect it to be as good as it was. 281 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:01,080 It was delicious. 282 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,400 It was amazingly delicious for me. 283 00:13:03,430 --> 00:13:05,570 - What's fascinating to me as somebody who first 284 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,050 knew about Tony when his first successful book, 285 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:09,570 "Kitchen Confidential," came out 286 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,880 is I've always thought of him as a chef 287 00:13:11,910 --> 00:13:13,500 even though it had been years 288 00:13:13,530 --> 00:13:15,050 since he had been a practicing chef. 289 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:16,430 You know, "Kitchen Confidential." 290 00:13:16,460 --> 00:13:18,080 What was the title, the subtitle? 291 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,360 "Adventures in the Culinary Underbelly?" 292 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,430 I mean, "underbelly's" a little bit of a dark word, 293 00:13:22,460 --> 00:13:24,670 but that's sort of what these... his shows were. 294 00:13:24,710 --> 00:13:27,570 He gave you the full 360-experience of this stuff. 295 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,740 What was its history? What went in to making it? 296 00:13:29,770 --> 00:13:31,150 What made it great? 297 00:13:31,190 --> 00:13:33,260 And his descriptive powers were so great 298 00:13:33,290 --> 00:13:36,190 that even though you as a viewer... 299 00:13:36,220 --> 00:13:39,190 This is the great flaw, I think, in any food television... 300 00:13:39,220 --> 00:13:42,190 Can't taste what you're watching, 301 00:13:42,220 --> 00:13:45,770 he could convey what it tasted like or smelled like 302 00:13:45,810 --> 00:13:47,330 or what it evoked in him. 303 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,950 And that, I think, was kind of the magic of it. 304 00:13:49,980 --> 00:13:53,400 - It was sweet, sweet memories of this Stegosaurus-sized 305 00:13:53,430 --> 00:13:56,260 shank of cured pork boiled and boiled 306 00:13:56,290 --> 00:13:58,150 until it literally falls away from the bone 307 00:13:58,190 --> 00:14:00,220 steaming and moist, this symphony 308 00:14:00,260 --> 00:14:03,770 of meat and gelatin and good, good stuff. 309 00:14:03,810 --> 00:14:06,770 God is hiding in there somewhere. 310 00:14:08,980 --> 00:14:13,530 Some things shouldn't change. I come here to feed my soul. 311 00:14:13,570 --> 00:14:15,770 It's the antidote to every other place. 312 00:14:15,810 --> 00:14:17,880 ♪ 313 00:14:17,910 --> 00:14:21,050 Roast bone marrow with parsley and caper salad. 314 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,910 Thank you. Yes. 315 00:14:23,950 --> 00:14:25,360 It's a simple good thing, but it's 316 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,570 one of the most influential dishes, like, 317 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,330 in the last 20 years. 318 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,050 As I've become older, I've noticed 319 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,150 the food that I yearn for is food that 320 00:14:33,190 --> 00:14:35,980 I react to in an entirely emotional way. 321 00:14:37,570 --> 00:14:41,190 Mmm. Oh, man. 322 00:14:41,220 --> 00:14:42,430 Wow. 323 00:14:42,460 --> 00:14:44,400 Now, is there an appropriate way to attack this? 324 00:14:44,430 --> 00:14:45,716 Does one go straight in, or does one 325 00:14:45,740 --> 00:14:47,080 go at it from an angle? 326 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,330 - It depends what kind of man you are. 327 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,056 If you're a coward, you would go from the corner. 328 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,080 - From the corner. - Well, I'm a manly man. 329 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,430 - So you go in the middle. - All right. 330 00:14:57,290 --> 00:14:59,080 - For somebody who does what I do, 331 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:00,950 write about chefs for people who are chefs, 332 00:15:00,980 --> 00:15:03,670 I think Tony was, like, as cool as they came, right? 333 00:15:03,710 --> 00:15:05,406 Everyone wanted to... It was that classic line. 334 00:15:05,430 --> 00:15:07,050 "Everybody wants to be him." 335 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:08,910 He was a cool guy. He could write. 336 00:15:08,950 --> 00:15:11,020 He was natural on television. 337 00:15:11,050 --> 00:15:12,710 "The chef swagger," that's Tony. 338 00:15:12,740 --> 00:15:14,880 I mean, that started in some ways with Tony, 339 00:15:14,910 --> 00:15:17,050 or he epitomized that. 340 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:21,050 Confident, smart, super computer brain 341 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,950 that could spit out these incredible witty things. 342 00:15:24,980 --> 00:15:27,710 But he would go to these places, 343 00:15:27,740 --> 00:15:31,150 and he would evidence, I think, an incredible humility. 344 00:15:31,190 --> 00:15:33,260 He was genuinely curious. 345 00:15:33,290 --> 00:15:35,360 He wasn't trying to teach them. 346 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,740 He wasn't trying to show off. 347 00:15:37,770 --> 00:15:41,050 - How long does that broth have to simmer to get good? 348 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,220 - An hour. - Wow. Really? 349 00:15:43,260 --> 00:15:46,260 I would've guessed, like, 14 hours. 350 00:15:46,290 --> 00:15:48,740 I want to see how much you put in there. 351 00:15:48,770 --> 00:15:51,740 - You got to make it look really red in there. 352 00:15:51,770 --> 00:15:53,530 That should be blood red. 353 00:15:53,570 --> 00:15:58,400 - Nice burning feeling on my lips, flop sweat, happy. 354 00:15:58,430 --> 00:15:59,956 People are put on Earth for various purposes. 355 00:15:59,980 --> 00:16:03,400 I was put on Earth to do this, eat noodles right here. 356 00:16:05,530 --> 00:16:07,430 At the end of a long night, 357 00:16:07,460 --> 00:16:10,710 decisions good and bad, friends old and new, 358 00:16:10,740 --> 00:16:13,910 a night spent playing or a night spent working, 359 00:16:13,950 --> 00:16:17,840 all across the world wherever cooks stumble out of work late, 360 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:19,880 there's a place like this. 361 00:16:19,910 --> 00:16:22,080 - Gentlemen. - Hey, Tony. 362 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:23,880 - How are you? - Nice to see you again. 363 00:16:23,910 --> 00:16:25,336 - Good to see you. What's up? - Nice to see you again. 364 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:26,406 - It's the city that never sleeps. 365 00:16:26,430 --> 00:16:28,050 24-hour Mokatal, right? 366 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,050 - This place is very democratic 'cause, like, 367 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:32,840 everybody comes late at night, 368 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:37,500 taxi drivers, hookers, and cooks, because we can be... 369 00:16:37,530 --> 00:16:39,436 - Yeah. Why is it that hookers and cooks always, like, 370 00:16:39,460 --> 00:16:41,150 are welcome at the same place, you know? 371 00:16:41,190 --> 00:16:44,360 Where... the... The same social standard. 372 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:45,840 I'm ready, man. I am hungry. 373 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:47,166 I have had nothing to eat all day. 374 00:16:47,190 --> 00:16:49,050 - Yeah? - I am starving. 375 00:16:53,740 --> 00:16:58,220 - I think Tony's appreciation for sort of the rank-and-file 376 00:16:58,260 --> 00:17:01,430 members of a kitchen team was always there. 377 00:17:01,460 --> 00:17:05,220 It was something that I think he felt very profoundly. 378 00:17:05,260 --> 00:17:09,770 I think what he took from that profession was 379 00:17:09,810 --> 00:17:14,740 a real curiosity and a sincere love of food. 380 00:17:14,770 --> 00:17:16,880 You know, somebody once said to me, 381 00:17:16,910 --> 00:17:18,910 "Great food is an adventure," 382 00:17:18,950 --> 00:17:22,190 and I think that's where the beginnings 383 00:17:22,220 --> 00:17:24,670 of what he transitioned into came from. 384 00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:26,430 - I mean, if you don't like food, 385 00:17:26,460 --> 00:17:28,430 if you're not interested in food, 386 00:17:28,460 --> 00:17:31,880 it's... it's really a problem. 387 00:17:31,910 --> 00:17:34,220 It's a relationship non-starter. 388 00:17:34,260 --> 00:17:36,190 It's like someone saying, "I don't like music." 389 00:17:36,220 --> 00:17:40,770 You know, conversation's kind of over. 390 00:17:40,810 --> 00:17:43,530 But I mean, I'll always look at the world from that per... 391 00:17:43,570 --> 00:17:47,400 I mean, all... all my values, every important skill, 392 00:17:47,430 --> 00:17:51,080 any good things about my character, 393 00:17:51,120 --> 00:17:54,220 any good characteristics I have, 394 00:17:54,260 --> 00:17:55,840 all the important lessons of my life 395 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,950 I learned as a dishwasher or as a cook. 396 00:17:57,980 --> 00:18:00,770 And I'm always gonna look at the world through that prism. 397 00:18:11,050 --> 00:18:13,260 - A few years back, I got the words 398 00:18:13,290 --> 00:18:17,020 "I am certain of nothing" tattooed on my arm. 399 00:18:17,050 --> 00:18:20,880 It's what makes travel what it is: 400 00:18:20,910 --> 00:18:22,530 an endless learning curve. 401 00:18:22,570 --> 00:18:25,500 Well, it's a popular metaphor for India-Pakistan is 402 00:18:25,530 --> 00:18:27,260 "Twins separated at birth." 403 00:18:27,290 --> 00:18:28,910 - We were never twins, I mean... 404 00:18:28,950 --> 00:18:30,500 - One. - It was one country. 405 00:18:30,530 --> 00:18:31,956 - You could say dismembered. - Right. 406 00:18:31,980 --> 00:18:33,500 - You know, if you cut a body in two, 407 00:18:33,530 --> 00:18:35,220 they're not gonna become twins. 408 00:18:35,260 --> 00:18:38,330 - The joy of being wrong, of being confused. 409 00:18:38,360 --> 00:18:40,600 Critics of the government, critics of Putin, 410 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:42,910 bad things seem to happen to them. 411 00:18:42,950 --> 00:18:46,740 - Yes. Unfortunately existing power represent, 412 00:18:46,770 --> 00:18:50,330 let I say, Russia of 19th century. 413 00:18:50,360 --> 00:18:53,220 - You could kill a journalist and get away with it. 414 00:18:53,260 --> 00:18:56,910 - Why are you still here? - It's my choice. 415 00:18:56,950 --> 00:18:59,400 My choice is fight. 416 00:18:59,430 --> 00:19:01,050 I really believe that 417 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:05,360 good journalists can change the world. 418 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,050 - At first you see what you see in so many places, 419 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,710 busy markets, 420 00:19:10,740 --> 00:19:13,050 the noisy streets. 421 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,080 But look just a little bit longer, 422 00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:17,770 a little bit deeper, and you'll see 423 00:19:17,810 --> 00:19:21,570 it's not so different 424 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,050 here from anywhere really. 425 00:19:29,530 --> 00:19:33,050 - It's incredible thinking back how fearless he was. 426 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,880 You know, he went to CNN, which is a network that 427 00:19:35,910 --> 00:19:38,050 travels all over the world and goes in to war zones, 428 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,020 and he saw that, I think, as a challenge. 429 00:19:40,050 --> 00:19:43,570 And he was not afraid to ask uncomfortable questions, 430 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,190 go to uncomfortable places, poke at uncomfortable scabs. 431 00:19:47,220 --> 00:19:50,260 That's kind of amazing, you know, to... to... 432 00:19:50,290 --> 00:19:53,020 As you grow more comfortable in station 433 00:19:53,050 --> 00:19:57,360 to become more eager to engage in uncomfortable truths 434 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,360 and uncomfortable situations and uncomfortable questions. 435 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,506 You would think it would go in the opposite direction, 436 00:20:02,530 --> 00:20:04,020 but with Tony it never did. 437 00:20:06,530 --> 00:20:09,220 - Iran. Finally. 438 00:20:09,260 --> 00:20:12,950 I've been trying to get in this country five years now. 439 00:20:12,980 --> 00:20:17,950 It's been the big blank spot on my things-to-do list. 440 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:37,430 The Iran I've seen on TV and read about in the papers, 441 00:20:37,460 --> 00:20:41,080 it's a much bigger picture. 442 00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:45,670 Let's put it this way, it's complicated, 443 00:20:45,710 --> 00:20:49,740 And I think it's gonna shock the hell out of you. 444 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,050 - People couldn't believe it. 445 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,220 Iranians in Iran and Iranian-Americans 446 00:21:08,260 --> 00:21:11,400 were genuinely really happy and appreciative 447 00:21:11,430 --> 00:21:14,260 that he would come and do this show there. 448 00:21:14,290 --> 00:21:18,080 In a place like Iran where visitors from abroad, 449 00:21:18,120 --> 00:21:20,050 and especially visitors from America, 450 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,770 are few and far between, it matters. 451 00:21:23,810 --> 00:21:25,330 - As print journalists, 452 00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:26,500 our job's difficult, 453 00:21:26,530 --> 00:21:27,770 but it's also kind of easy, 454 00:21:27,810 --> 00:21:30,360 'cause there's so much to write about. 455 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,910 You know, it's... the difficult part is convincing 456 00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:34,950 people on the other side of the world that 457 00:21:34,980 --> 00:21:38,330 what we're telling you we're seeing in front of our eyes 458 00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:39,360 is actually there. 459 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:40,710 When you walk down the street, 460 00:21:40,740 --> 00:21:42,770 you see a different side of things. 461 00:21:42,810 --> 00:21:45,910 People are proud. The culture is vibrant. 462 00:21:45,950 --> 00:21:48,260 People have a lot to say. 463 00:21:48,290 --> 00:21:50,500 - Jason Rezaian is "The Washington Post's" 464 00:21:50,530 --> 00:21:52,330 correspondent for Iran. 465 00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:54,500 Yeganeh, his wife and a fellow journalist, 466 00:21:54,530 --> 00:21:57,910 works for the UAE-based newspaper "The National." 467 00:21:57,950 --> 00:22:00,050 Jason is Iranian-American. 468 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,500 Yeganeh is a full Iranian citizen. 469 00:22:03,530 --> 00:22:06,150 This is their city, Tehran. 470 00:22:06,190 --> 00:22:08,400 The official attitude towards fun in general 471 00:22:08,430 --> 00:22:11,600 seems to be ever-shifting. 472 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,220 How... is fun even a good idea? 473 00:22:14,260 --> 00:22:17,080 - There's a lot of security. - There's lots of rules. 474 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:23,260 There are a lot of people in place to make sure 475 00:22:23,290 --> 00:22:25,670 you do the right thing and not do the wrong thing. 476 00:22:25,710 --> 00:22:28,360 But there's a lot of push and pull, 477 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:29,910 a lot of give and take. 478 00:22:29,950 --> 00:22:32,190 When I first started coming here, you wouldn't hear 479 00:22:32,220 --> 00:22:35,260 - pop music in a restaurant or... - Right. 480 00:22:35,290 --> 00:22:36,746 - It's everywhere now. - Now it's everywhere. 481 00:22:36,770 --> 00:22:38,360 - We have police. 482 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,400 They arrest girls or women for having bad hijab 483 00:22:42,430 --> 00:22:46,260 or not being covered enough, but it's not that we live 484 00:22:46,290 --> 00:22:48,740 with the police in our head, you know? 485 00:23:07,290 --> 00:23:10,360 - I brought up the experience of being on a show 486 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,260 just a few weeks previous to... to our arrest. 487 00:23:14,290 --> 00:23:17,190 And I said, "Look, you know, this thing is coming. 488 00:23:17,220 --> 00:23:19,770 It's not gonna play out well for you." 489 00:23:19,810 --> 00:23:21,770 - At some point towards the end, 490 00:23:21,810 --> 00:23:23,400 my interrogator brought a picture. 491 00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:26,190 "Who is this guy? Is he your dad or his dad?" 492 00:23:26,220 --> 00:23:29,430 I was like, "No. You really don't know him?" 493 00:23:29,460 --> 00:23:30,950 And he was like, "No." 494 00:23:30,980 --> 00:23:34,190 I said, "Well, this is a very famous guy. 495 00:23:34,220 --> 00:23:36,950 If you are interested in traveling, food, dah-dah-dah, 496 00:23:36,980 --> 00:23:38,080 you should watch his show." 497 00:23:38,120 --> 00:23:40,190 But he told me, "There was nothing 498 00:23:40,220 --> 00:23:42,500 in your conversation with him about food." 499 00:23:42,530 --> 00:23:46,190 I was like, "No, we discussed a little bit of rice and fish 500 00:23:46,220 --> 00:23:49,400 "and things like that, but it was mostly 501 00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:53,260 cultural topics, social life, things like that." 502 00:23:53,290 --> 00:23:58,050 And he said, "So it's gonna be another punch in our face?" 503 00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:59,926 I was like, "No, no, no. It's not gonna be like that. 504 00:23:59,950 --> 00:24:01,500 "He's not that kind of guy. 505 00:24:01,530 --> 00:24:05,050 He's gonna tell the truth no matter what it is." 506 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,950 And interestingly, I remember 507 00:24:06,980 --> 00:24:09,020 I told them about one discussion 508 00:24:09,050 --> 00:24:10,530 we had with Tony, 'cause at some point 509 00:24:10,570 --> 00:24:13,570 we talked about the situation of women in Iran. 510 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,260 - You know, one of the first things that people will say 511 00:24:19,290 --> 00:24:20,436 when you say, "Well, I'm going to Iran." 512 00:24:20,460 --> 00:24:22,220 "Oh, yeah, but don't they make women 513 00:24:22,260 --> 00:24:24,840 - do this, this, and this?" - Yeah. 514 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,880 - Actually... not so much. 515 00:24:27,910 --> 00:24:29,220 - Yeah. - Not as much as our... 516 00:24:29,260 --> 00:24:30,740 - Friends. Yeah. - Friends. 517 00:24:30,770 --> 00:24:32,430 - Compare and contrast. 518 00:24:32,460 --> 00:24:35,150 Women aren't allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia. 519 00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:37,260 - That's right. Or vote. - Or vote. 520 00:24:37,290 --> 00:24:39,500 - You can drive. You can vote. - Yeah, of course. 521 00:24:39,530 --> 00:24:42,190 - Can you own a business? - Of course. 522 00:24:42,220 --> 00:24:45,770 My sister is an accountant. She has her own company. 523 00:24:45,810 --> 00:24:50,360 Girls are allowed to do almost everything, uh, except 524 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,360 we want to go and watch football which is like... 525 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,710 - Can't go watch football? - We cannot. 526 00:24:54,740 --> 00:24:57,950 - Women's issues are often at the spear point of change 527 00:24:57,980 --> 00:24:59,740 or possible change here. 528 00:24:59,770 --> 00:25:02,220 On one hand, prevailing conservative attitudes 529 00:25:02,260 --> 00:25:04,360 demand certain things. 530 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,150 On the other hand, Iranian women are 531 00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:09,710 famously assertive, opinionated. 532 00:25:09,740 --> 00:25:11,260 It's a striking difference from 533 00:25:11,290 --> 00:25:13,260 almost everywhere else in the region. 534 00:25:13,290 --> 00:25:15,400 So why are we so friendly with the Saudis again? 535 00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:19,570 - That's a great question. - It's a really good question. 536 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,530 - I'm happy that you asked that question. 537 00:25:27,290 --> 00:25:30,260 And I sort of, like, told the story to my interrogator. 538 00:25:30,290 --> 00:25:33,880 It was like, "Okay, sounds like a good conversation. 539 00:25:33,910 --> 00:25:37,360 So he... he likes us?" 540 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,260 I was like, "He likes Iranians. He likes Iran." 541 00:25:40,290 --> 00:25:43,050 So that was kind of convincing. 542 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:48,050 I was able to cool things off finally... 543 00:25:50,050 --> 00:25:51,770 - Do you like it? - You happy here? 544 00:25:51,810 --> 00:25:54,150 - Look, I... I love it, 545 00:25:54,190 --> 00:25:56,740 and I hate it, you know, but it's home. 546 00:25:56,770 --> 00:25:58,080 It's become home. 547 00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:01,330 - Are you optimistic about the future? 548 00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:03,880 - Yeah. - Especially if this nuclear deal 549 00:26:03,910 --> 00:26:07,840 finally happens, uh, yeah. 550 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,330 Very much actually. 551 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:11,260 - Let's assume the worst. 552 00:26:11,290 --> 00:26:14,530 Let's assume that you cannot see any way to reconcile 553 00:26:14,570 --> 00:26:18,190 what you think of Iran with your own personal beliefs, 554 00:26:18,220 --> 00:26:20,430 that you just generally don't approve. 555 00:26:20,460 --> 00:26:22,080 - Yeah. - I think those are exactly 556 00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:24,020 the sort of places you should go. 557 00:26:24,050 --> 00:26:25,150 - Totally. 558 00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:26,570 - See who we're talking about 559 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,020 and where we're talking about here. 560 00:26:28,050 --> 00:26:30,050 - I think it's almost un-American 561 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,670 not to go to those places, you know? 562 00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:34,740 ♪ 563 00:26:34,770 --> 00:26:36,686 - I don't know that I can put it in any kind of perspective. 564 00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:39,050 I feel the, you know, deeply conflicting, 565 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,740 deeply confusing, exhilarating, 566 00:26:41,770 --> 00:26:44,530 heartbreaking, beautiful place. 567 00:26:44,570 --> 00:26:47,400 - Yeah, exactly. 568 00:26:59,950 --> 00:27:00,956 - When putting together a list of where 569 00:27:00,980 --> 00:27:03,670 we're going on any given year, 570 00:27:03,710 --> 00:27:06,500 there's a really unhealthy fascination 571 00:27:06,530 --> 00:27:10,710 with my relationship with plumbing, shall we say. 572 00:27:10,740 --> 00:27:12,710 So basically if I'm going without a crapper 573 00:27:12,740 --> 00:27:15,050 for extended periods of time on one show, 574 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,786 the next show's pretty much gonna be some place 575 00:27:16,810 --> 00:27:20,600 with good hot-water pressure and, you know, 576 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,190 a degree of flush toilets that 577 00:27:23,220 --> 00:27:26,530 even the most skeptical and cranky person 578 00:27:26,570 --> 00:27:28,570 would find curiously pleasing. 579 00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:32,080 I never had any dreams of 580 00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:34,020 growing up in socialist wonderland. 581 00:27:34,050 --> 00:27:36,360 Like, when I was a brief period where I was a hippie, 582 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,600 the idea of living in a commune, not attractive to me. 583 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,360 - I was born in a communal flat with three other families 584 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,050 - sharing one john, one kitchen. - No way. 585 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,880 - They would feed me when I had no food. 586 00:27:46,910 --> 00:27:49,430 - No way. - I share my toilet with no man. 587 00:27:53,980 --> 00:27:57,080 ♪ 588 00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:59,430 - Well, I'm looking forward to the week. 589 00:27:59,460 --> 00:28:00,710 - Yeah. 590 00:28:00,740 --> 00:28:03,430 - This is a low-impact show. 591 00:28:03,460 --> 00:28:05,430 - What is a low-impact show? 592 00:28:05,460 --> 00:28:08,880 - It means I'm not, you know, paddling upriver. 593 00:28:08,910 --> 00:28:11,740 It means I get a flush toilet, 594 00:28:11,770 --> 00:28:14,150 eating well constantly. 595 00:28:14,190 --> 00:28:17,260 - You like luxury. - I do. Look, I do. 596 00:28:17,290 --> 00:28:20,530 I like a fluffy hotel towel. I like a bidet. 597 00:28:20,570 --> 00:28:23,360 Look, I like warm jets of water squirting up my ass. 598 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:24,400 I mean, who doesn't? 599 00:28:24,430 --> 00:28:31,220 ♪ 600 00:28:32,810 --> 00:28:36,330 I... I'd say I feel cleansed, but that could be the diarrhea. 601 00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:38,530 I really don't understand this whole purging thing. 602 00:28:38,570 --> 00:28:39,746 People are like... No, is it purging? 603 00:28:39,770 --> 00:28:41,710 Cleanse... a juice cleanses, right? 604 00:28:41,740 --> 00:28:43,096 Just travel with this show for a while. 605 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,020 I'll tell you. I'm feeling pretty good. 606 00:28:45,050 --> 00:28:47,190 But my crew? Clean as a whistle. 607 00:28:47,220 --> 00:28:48,786 You could pour mineral water through them, 608 00:28:48,810 --> 00:28:53,020 and it would come out crystal clear. 609 00:28:53,050 --> 00:28:54,956 That's no fault of the fine cuisine here, by the way. 610 00:28:54,980 --> 00:28:59,150 I'm convinced it was the shiny ham at the hotel buffet. 611 00:28:59,190 --> 00:29:01,330 You warn them. You warn them. You warn them. 612 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,500 Do they listen? 613 00:29:03,530 --> 00:29:06,220 I made a potentially lethal mistake this morning. 614 00:29:06,260 --> 00:29:08,220 - I did something I never do. - Which is? 615 00:29:08,260 --> 00:29:10,050 - I ate a western breakfast at the hotel. 616 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,530 I'm feeling it already. 617 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,710 How do you do this and be a good person? 618 00:29:16,740 --> 00:29:18,400 I don't think you can. 619 00:29:18,430 --> 00:29:21,360 Like, if you wanted to do this regularly 620 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,050 for the rest of your life... 621 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,080 I would like to spend three months out of the year 622 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,020 in a hammock looking out at the Caribbean 623 00:29:28,050 --> 00:29:31,950 in a secluded beach like this. 624 00:29:31,980 --> 00:29:34,710 You'd have to do bad things to do this, right? 625 00:29:34,740 --> 00:29:36,360 You feel guilty eating this well? 626 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:37,400 - I do. - You do? 627 00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:38,840 - I do. 628 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,600 - I'm feeling guilty now, but it will pass. 629 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:42,886 - 'Cause guilt keeps coming back. 630 00:29:42,910 --> 00:29:44,840 You keep bringing up the guilt. 631 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,770 - You're right. - I feel guilty. 632 00:29:46,810 --> 00:29:49,500 - Then don't do these shows. 633 00:29:49,530 --> 00:29:51,710 What are you doing here if you feel so guilty about it? 634 00:29:51,740 --> 00:29:53,080 - I know. I know. 635 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,770 I feel guilty about not feeling guilty. 636 00:29:54,810 --> 00:29:56,530 - That's more to the point. - Right. 637 00:29:56,570 --> 00:29:58,950 - Now you're starting to be honest with yourself. 638 00:29:58,980 --> 00:30:01,050 - Right. 639 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,506 - If you have a film crew and a network 640 00:30:02,530 --> 00:30:03,770 willing to send you places, 641 00:30:03,810 --> 00:30:05,530 chase the things that interest you. 642 00:30:05,570 --> 00:30:08,500 If you wanna... if you're gonna go to Japan for the 19th time 643 00:30:08,530 --> 00:30:11,050 on someone else's dime, make it about tentacle porn. 644 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,260 That's cool. Teach us something we don't know 645 00:30:13,290 --> 00:30:15,570 or haven't seen before, because why not? 646 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,050 Contrary to what some critics may say, it's important to me 647 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,220 that we saw him work the system some times. 648 00:30:22,260 --> 00:30:26,150 - You couldn't actually show humans penetrating each other. 649 00:30:26,190 --> 00:30:28,500 - So I invented tentacles... - Right. 650 00:30:28,530 --> 00:30:30,530 - To be evasive about the law. 651 00:30:30,570 --> 00:30:35,880 - So how big is the, uh, sadomasochistic community? 652 00:30:35,910 --> 00:30:38,190 How many people are active participants? 653 00:30:38,220 --> 00:30:40,096 I would never do that as a responsible journalist, 654 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,330 but I'm interested in investigating it. 655 00:30:44,770 --> 00:30:46,260 - Thank you, sir. - Did you smoke it? 656 00:30:46,290 --> 00:30:48,330 - Yeah, I can't compare and contrast, 657 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,530 because I've been trying them all one after the other. 658 00:30:52,810 --> 00:30:54,220 - I'm trying to be respectful of 659 00:30:54,260 --> 00:30:57,530 a five-century religious tradition here. 660 00:30:57,570 --> 00:30:59,570 Uh, I'm not sure about the teeth. 661 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,600 We got this. 662 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,430 - This is the necklace one. - Ooh. 663 00:31:03,460 --> 00:31:05,096 I'm trying to think of a circumstance that 664 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,330 you could wear that around your neck. 665 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,570 Aw, jeez, it's a cock-alanche. 666 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,810 ♪ 667 00:31:26,810 --> 00:31:28,500 No. No, it can't be over. 668 00:31:28,530 --> 00:31:30,330 Not yet. No! 669 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,330 - There was kind of a gleeful juvenilia to Tony 670 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,050 that was appealing on some level 671 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,740 but a little bit tiresome after a while. 672 00:31:35,770 --> 00:31:37,686 There were stories that he went back to again and again. 673 00:31:37,710 --> 00:31:40,770 There were punching bags that he just could not resist 674 00:31:40,810 --> 00:31:42,080 punching again and again. 675 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,050 But I think every one of us 676 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,546 who was willing to put up with them, because 677 00:31:45,570 --> 00:31:47,770 one of the pleasures of watching the show over time 678 00:31:47,810 --> 00:31:49,770 and watching him over time was watching 679 00:31:49,810 --> 00:31:51,400 the punching bags transform into people 680 00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:53,430 and watching those people turn into friends. 681 00:31:55,980 --> 00:31:57,196 One of the more fascinating aspects was 682 00:31:57,220 --> 00:31:59,330 the friendship with Eric Ripert. 683 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,910 There was a feeling of inferiority. 684 00:32:01,950 --> 00:32:03,236 - Stop trying to suck up to teacher. 685 00:32:03,260 --> 00:32:06,500 I saw that. Apple polisher. 686 00:32:06,530 --> 00:32:09,360 You basically just rip your ideas off of small businessmen. 687 00:32:11,710 --> 00:32:13,770 - You got that, right? 688 00:32:13,810 --> 00:32:17,740 - And in fact, Ripert turns out to be this goofy, kind guy 689 00:32:17,770 --> 00:32:21,840 who doesn't mind being the butt of literally everyone's jokes. 690 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:22,880 Who saw that coming? 691 00:32:22,910 --> 00:32:24,670 - Do you have pizza experience? 692 00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:26,220 - Never did a pizza in my life. 693 00:32:26,260 --> 00:32:27,500 - Does he know this? 694 00:32:27,530 --> 00:32:29,220 Look at this line. 695 00:32:29,260 --> 00:32:31,740 Stop dicking around with your insane perfectionism. 696 00:32:31,770 --> 00:32:32,950 He's new. He's new. 697 00:32:32,980 --> 00:32:35,260 I... I can't do anything with him. 698 00:32:35,290 --> 00:32:37,026 - You think you are going to the moon or what? 699 00:32:37,050 --> 00:32:38,056 - You'll be bitchin' in those things. 700 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,880 - No, man. - Yeah, you'll look cool. 701 00:32:40,910 --> 00:32:43,150 - You wish me bad luck. - No, I don't. 702 00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:45,056 I just think you should have proper footwear, man. 703 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,020 Your ability to drink leads to 704 00:32:47,050 --> 00:32:48,336 a number of assumptions about you, 705 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,740 you know, your general manliness, penis size, 706 00:32:51,770 --> 00:32:53,530 your worth as a human being. 707 00:32:53,570 --> 00:32:57,050 - I'm comfortable with my size. 708 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,020 - Oh. - Jeez. 709 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:05,740 - Not all the time. 710 00:33:05,770 --> 00:33:08,360 - Oh... whoa... hey! - Whoa! 711 00:33:09,460 --> 00:33:10,910 - My jacket. 712 00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:12,430 - Oh, yeah, blame your jacket. 713 00:33:12,460 --> 00:33:13,770 There you go. 714 00:33:13,810 --> 00:33:15,500 - Oh! 715 00:33:15,530 --> 00:33:18,050 - U.S.A. - [both laugh] 716 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,710 Whoo. I've never seen him so happy. 717 00:33:22,190 --> 00:33:24,050 - All right. - It's Miller time. 718 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,336 - These were men who loved each other, 719 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,220 and we got to see that on television, 720 00:33:27,260 --> 00:33:29,056 and they weren't really shy about hiding that. 721 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,710 It was goofy, and he made Ripert eat 722 00:33:31,740 --> 00:33:33,400 Sichuan chilies until he wept. 723 00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:37,150 But it all came from a place of love and affection 724 00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:39,190 that is rarely captured on television 725 00:33:39,220 --> 00:33:41,840 and honestly would be very, very hard to replace. 726 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,260 - Whoa. - I'm telling you, 727 00:33:43,290 --> 00:33:44,950 I'd feel a lot more comfortable if 728 00:33:44,980 --> 00:33:47,530 you hadn't had two portions of eggs. 729 00:33:47,570 --> 00:33:50,710 - This is amazing. 730 00:33:50,740 --> 00:33:52,950 Come in my selfie. 731 00:33:55,770 --> 00:33:57,740 Oh, it's a video. Hold on. 732 00:33:57,770 --> 00:33:59,950 - Eric's a Buddhist with really good, solid, 733 00:33:59,980 --> 00:34:01,770 like, you know, values. 734 00:34:01,810 --> 00:34:04,500 Like, I've never seen him wish ill on another human being. 735 00:34:04,530 --> 00:34:07,740 He really does live up to his Buddhist faith. 736 00:34:07,770 --> 00:34:10,190 It's rather incredible that he could be friends with me. 737 00:34:10,220 --> 00:34:13,530 I know it's caused him problems at times. 738 00:34:13,570 --> 00:34:16,190 Everyone who appears on television should be so lucky 739 00:34:16,220 --> 00:34:20,600 as to have a... An Eric Ripert in their life. 740 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,360 And thank God he's got a sense of humor, 741 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,950 'cause when he makes television with me, 742 00:34:25,980 --> 00:34:27,880 he's always gonna need it. 743 00:34:38,570 --> 00:34:40,056 - I think that Tony never shied away from the fact that 744 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,710 he was changing the narrative. 745 00:34:41,740 --> 00:34:42,840 He was changing the story. 746 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,190 He was bending reality. 747 00:34:45,220 --> 00:34:46,770 This was his experience in the world, 748 00:34:46,810 --> 00:34:48,670 that he never shied away from suggesting that 749 00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:50,910 people go out and find their own experience. 750 00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:57,050 ♪ 751 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,050 The beauty of making so many episodes 752 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,190 and traveling so many times and revisiting so many times 753 00:35:02,220 --> 00:35:05,050 is that there is always more to see. 754 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,500 There is a large story, and then there's a small story, 755 00:35:07,530 --> 00:35:09,026 and if you peek inside that small story, 756 00:35:09,050 --> 00:35:10,670 there are a thousand more stories. 757 00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:12,840 And his willingness to let those stories be told 758 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,740 and find the right storytellers for each one of those 759 00:35:15,770 --> 00:35:17,020 was incredibly impactful. 760 00:35:20,770 --> 00:35:28,050 ♪ 761 00:35:45,220 --> 00:35:48,360 On the one hand, they are this perfect expression of a guy 762 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,910 who was an aesthete, who had very strong tastes. 763 00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:53,910 He had very good taste in a lot of things, not just food, 764 00:35:53,950 --> 00:35:56,020 and felt very strongly, clearly, 765 00:35:56,050 --> 00:35:57,166 about expressing that in the show. 766 00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:58,500 There was no bullshit. 767 00:35:58,530 --> 00:36:00,360 If he wanted a certain type of music, 768 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:01,786 he would get that musician to play that music. 769 00:36:01,810 --> 00:36:03,376 If he wanted stylistic reference, I'm sure 770 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,150 he would make everyone on the crew 771 00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:08,050 watch a hundred movies until you got it exactly right. 772 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,840 That has value in and of itself, 773 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,600 but what he did with that reference was purposeful. 774 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,400 What he taught me about working-class cinema 775 00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:18,260 and about the absolutely inextricable connection 776 00:36:18,290 --> 00:36:20,910 between an artist and a place, 777 00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:22,330 that's much more meaningful 778 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,050 than just dropping a loose reference. 779 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,740 It's a beautiful package 780 00:36:25,770 --> 00:36:28,600 to Trojan-horse some other thought inside of it. 781 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:37,770 ♪ 782 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,910 ♪ 783 00:36:55,080 --> 00:37:02,220 ♪ 784 00:37:57,530 --> 00:37:59,570 - After all these years traveling, 785 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,880 and when you look back, what resonates? 786 00:38:02,910 --> 00:38:05,710 - I see a lot of poverty. - I see a lot of cruelty. 787 00:38:05,740 --> 00:38:08,330 I have reason to feel angry or frustrated 788 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,050 or heartbroken frequently. 789 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,400 It angers me to see a place like, you know, 790 00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:16,050 Detroit, a great American city, 791 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,840 that... that's failed, or been... Or allowed to fail. 792 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,740 To see New Orleans post-Katrina makes me angry. 793 00:38:23,770 --> 00:38:26,220 To see Camden, New Jersey in my own state 794 00:38:26,260 --> 00:38:29,950 that I grew up in, it... it makes me angry. 795 00:38:29,980 --> 00:38:34,500 Yes, there's a lot of scary, ugly stuff in it, 796 00:38:34,530 --> 00:38:38,530 but there is much more, I still think, 797 00:38:38,570 --> 00:38:41,910 beauty and kindness 798 00:38:41,950 --> 00:38:45,600 and humor and people doing the best they can 799 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,740 in... in often very, very difficult situations. 800 00:38:48,770 --> 00:38:52,710 It is a magnificent planet filled with fascinating 801 00:38:52,740 --> 00:38:56,400 and more often than not beautiful people. 802 00:38:59,430 --> 00:39:00,570 ♪ 803 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,400 Where's that sandwich? 804 00:39:02,430 --> 00:39:04,330 - I've been thinking about this a lot recently. 805 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,360 This is a man who traveled the world... 806 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,150 You know, what was it, 200 days a year, more? 807 00:39:10,190 --> 00:39:12,220 At this point, every place he went, 808 00:39:12,260 --> 00:39:14,220 he had dozens, if not hundreds, of people 809 00:39:14,260 --> 00:39:16,190 who considered him a good friend. 810 00:39:16,220 --> 00:39:19,740 And he made every single person feel like he was their friend 811 00:39:19,770 --> 00:39:22,530 for the time that they were together. 812 00:39:22,570 --> 00:39:25,150 That boggles my mind. 813 00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:28,570 - We get recognized from being on that show. 814 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,260 And when I say restaurants, I'm talking about, you know, 815 00:39:31,290 --> 00:39:35,260 greasy spoons all the way up to fine dining establishments. 816 00:39:35,290 --> 00:39:36,886 People come over to the table and they say, 817 00:39:36,910 --> 00:39:39,530 "Did we see you on Bourdain's show?" 818 00:39:39,570 --> 00:39:41,080 "Yeah, that was us." 819 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:42,840 Sometimes we don't have to pay for the meal. 820 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:44,926 - There's a million of these 821 00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:46,330 Tony Bourdain stories out there 822 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,400 of just how decent and nice 823 00:39:48,430 --> 00:39:50,840 and accessible he was to everybody. 824 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,500 - Mmm. 825 00:39:52,530 --> 00:39:55,260 - But the idea that he could feel self-conscious 826 00:39:55,290 --> 00:39:56,910 or he could feel humbled 827 00:39:56,950 --> 00:40:00,430 or he could feel unable to form a sentence, 828 00:40:00,460 --> 00:40:03,220 again, I think that's how most people felt around him. 829 00:40:03,260 --> 00:40:05,880 - And I think that, you know, 830 00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:09,050 Iranians have that experience of feeling like, 831 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,600 "Hey, this guy saw the value in us." 832 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,220 Obviously people in Africa have that experience. 833 00:40:16,260 --> 00:40:18,910 People that work in kitchens have that experience. 834 00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:20,190 - I don't know how he did it. 835 00:40:20,220 --> 00:40:22,220 I will never know how he did it, 836 00:40:22,260 --> 00:40:24,670 the ability to walk into any room 837 00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:29,500 in any country in the world and appear to be at ease, 838 00:40:29,530 --> 00:40:31,600 at least at ease without 839 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,150 overcompensation, without overconfidence, 840 00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:36,020 and to make others feel at ease 841 00:40:36,050 --> 00:40:38,150 to be able to break bread with anybody, 842 00:40:38,190 --> 00:40:40,430 to have a toast with almost anybody. 843 00:40:40,460 --> 00:40:42,190 ♪ 844 00:40:42,220 --> 00:40:43,740 - To victor, Roland. 845 00:40:43,770 --> 00:40:45,150 Victory in our time. 846 00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:46,880 - Uh-oh. - Don't be afraid. 847 00:40:46,910 --> 00:40:48,050 - Don't be afraid. 848 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,050 My first turbo. Cheers. 849 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:51,220 Cheers. 850 00:40:51,260 --> 00:40:52,570 - Cheers! - Oh! 851 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,500 - Oh, yeah. - Just like old times. 852 00:40:54,530 --> 00:40:57,080 - I think that's probably the best way to understand 853 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:58,710 Tony Bourdain on television, is that 854 00:40:58,740 --> 00:41:00,530 he was nominally the host of these shows, 855 00:41:00,570 --> 00:41:02,740 but he really was the ultimate guest. 856 00:41:05,740 --> 00:41:07,190 - Just 'cause I'm a bit of a dick, 857 00:41:07,220 --> 00:41:08,546 - I have to ask this question. - No, I love it. 858 00:41:08,570 --> 00:41:10,600 - Oh, okay. 859 00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:14,266 Well, I hope the food's good at this thing. 860 00:41:14,290 --> 00:41:16,430 - It's so important to Tony's mission 861 00:41:16,460 --> 00:41:19,400 to remember that to eat the food of the world, 862 00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:22,020 you don't have to have a lot of frequent flyer miles. 863 00:41:22,050 --> 00:41:23,910 You don't have to have a lot of money. 864 00:41:23,950 --> 00:41:26,430 - Tony's part of history, 865 00:41:26,460 --> 00:41:27,910 everywhere's history, 866 00:41:27,950 --> 00:41:29,600 every nation's history. 867 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,400 - The excess of evil may not exist in him. 868 00:41:32,430 --> 00:41:33,950 So just normal evil 869 00:41:33,980 --> 00:41:36,220 like everybody else, yeah? 870 00:41:36,260 --> 00:41:37,886 - You were a guy who at various points in life 871 00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:39,500 has pretty much one way or the other 872 00:41:39,530 --> 00:41:41,740 been able to have a lot of things 873 00:41:41,770 --> 00:41:45,950 that ordinary people would never have. 874 00:41:45,980 --> 00:41:47,220 - Yeah. 875 00:41:47,260 --> 00:41:48,376 - You've had many, many adventures. 876 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,430 - I know. - Given that, 877 00:41:50,460 --> 00:41:54,330 what thrills you now? 878 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,880 - The nicest stuff right now... - This is very embarrassing, 879 00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:59,770 but it's really emb... 880 00:41:59,810 --> 00:42:03,050 Being loved and actually 881 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,430 appreciating the people that are giving that to me. 882 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,740 - And I guess that's what we all want as human beings, 883 00:42:11,770 --> 00:42:15,020 isn't it? To be loved, to be cherished. 884 00:42:15,050 --> 00:42:17,950 - This is Anthony Bourdain, CNN. 885 00:42:17,980 --> 00:42:19,910 Good night, and eat more SPAM. 68806

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