Original subtitles

Ha ha ha , it's a pretty good friend

So anyway

This is the , uh

The twentieth anniversary

Uh

Special edition dvd of transformers

And , uh , what does everybody introduced themselves

This is an nelson shen

Uh , i'm working as the director

And i'm susan blue

And i was rc in the movie

And i'm flint dilly

and i was a writer on the

And producer and story edit on the show

And writer on the movie

Have some different credit

Will know what it is when we get to it

But it's a big credit

Yeah

I function as a writer

I always say if it's not on the page

It's not on the stage

Now nelson , you got out with scandal story

The first there was the , uh , uh , yukon

You know , the coming toto

The , uh , one of a planet

Uh , this man made the planet , you know

Yeah , what's interesting about is we never really knew what planet this was

and you know , where were afraid that everybody think this is cyber tron and all

And that would confuse everybody

But i know that he waever actually got confused

I don't think they did actually

Yeah , i don't think they were

I think we were pretty confused

grp it's unicorn

Okay

So here comes unicron

This is one of the most this , i think this scene

You know , caused more controversy and an issue than , than anything in the movie

Why do you think i don't know

Nelson can tell that now

And well , this , this is the , the unicorn come to the , uh

You know , smaller the plane

Uh , you know , eating up

But he's getting , uh

Resource for the activate , you know

Yeah

He's getting , he's getting life

Yeah

He's , uh , eating up and , uh , he

You know , the later inside of the unicorn

Well , we can see all the chunking , uh

He's smashing the , all the debris , right

And getting , uh , probably like , uh

For the living , you know , uh

Yeah

Yeah

This is all inside of the unicorn

You know , this is organic

Yeah

So he , he gets the juice out and he's , uh , getting lights

So shuh . now the , uh , uh

He can

You know , survive and he can , uh , activate , right

How many artists did you have doing that first scene

Uh , we , we're working the , uh , well

You know , a lot of people

But , uh , like , uh , four hundred people working all together the time

Wow

And oh yeah

Yes , big studio

and for

That was very ahead of its time

Don't you think that scene right there

Yeah

I had a little bit of two thousand one field to it

But all that , but i always liked this version of the soundtrack

Yeah

We had a great cast too

I just leave these here

We got monty python and my gosh

John nelson

He was , yeah

He was part of the part of the brad pack

He was , he was really hard

He wouldn't they were doing that

He was , uh , yeah

Very

Oh i loin des moi

Course he got ahead to have some star trek in this movie here

transformer

Robert stack was great

I'll tell a story about him

And i love my gosh wonderful

And there he is also else very and wells

Yeah , that's that's a great story coming up here since we get past tball

And this there is fastest talking guy in the world

Didn't he do fedex commercials

He did he did that commercial that's how they found him

Yeah

He was , he was great

I mean he really talked like that

I mean you were in the recording studio

And this guy talked a lot faster than i could think

It is the year two thousand five

The tris decepate

Yeah

I remember two thousand five was a long time in the future

Unbelievable

Well , what's what's interesting about this movie is that you'll see it

It really is

Oh there's my creda story consultant

Yeah

Elly . yeah

That was , uh

Tom griffin the iron an freeman had written the first draft to kind of all the sun bow stuff

And he had a tuin

His contracts said he got sole credit no matter what

And margaret lash

Yeah

Oh yeah

Yeah

Well they were the marthey were the marvel guys

Jay was a great executive

Yeah

He was jais one of my heroes

Yeah

Except don't think he does that anymore

We should be

But i think he's

I know what he's doing now , but he's uh , yeah

I get emails to send like cool piece of music that he writes and stuff like that . chase great

I want you to make a special run to autobot city on earth

I love them

How the voices , how they treated the voices a little bit

Yeah

We used this is very metallic

Yeah

It's called a vocoder

And he'd put a sound effect in under the voice

I mean peter colin was just perfect

Yes

As his voice cut through optimus

Yeah

Yeah , he was great

It was great because in some cases

You'd hire a famous actor and then they process the voice

And yeah , those guys

So they ran sun boat

Those guys were great

I mean , they were

You know , no small part responsible for everything to do with the transformers

So we'll find somebody say something bad about

But thus far i haven't seen anybody that bumble bein spike here

We're about to send up set to come back in your area

All clear a night

Yeah

Well , you know the time we are all this is , uh

An animation by hand

You know , so across the galaxy will do sp

Yeah , it's almost unthinking about just how much work that is to dry every single frame home

Yeah , yeah

It's just and exquisite

yeah , no two jeback then either

Every little frame was drawn

Oh yeah

He saw go on by hand

No

There we go

There goes . the shuttle need is a little eneron

And a lot of luck

Oh we're gonna find out the deceptikinds or wow

Hernelson nelson nelson , a wonderful director

Thank you

Laser peak returns make a charm

Welcome laser peak

Yeah

There's mega tron that frank walker by frank walker

Who did every other like i was extraordinary

Yeah

Yeah

As i say it in the other

The other commentary that basically you have frank say , you know , hey

Want you sound like a blender and a lawn mo

Yeah

And twelve ducks at the same time

Yeah

Right

And it's tha little aquarium

And he would somehow come out with something that sounded like that

We don't have enough energy cubes to power a full scale assault

This is , uh , you know , this scan

Look at scan

You know , just , uh , of no that time to buy hands to prime

Well , what's funny is , is various different times in this movie

You can just see how much technologies change

I mean , you

The viewers now even know what a cassette tape is

I guess we still have boom boxes for very few though

Yeah

Yeah

You tell , tell thomas an ipod

You see the old the affects the , uh , you like , um

Bluish look , you not propriate that's from the decepticon

You know

Yeah

Desceptan is a different color

But like , uh

Autobots has an orange color into it

You know , right

Yeah

That's the cancel of the color for this movie

Sure , because it would be difficult to keep them apart

Sometimes when they were warning and fighting

There's star scream . he's he's probably my favorite transformer

Why , uh , i just always like you

Such a treacherous swine

And i have always very amused watching chris laugha do his voice

And chris lana was perfect for that voice

Wasn't he ? yeah

Much easier

Almighty megaton that attacking the real threat

The autobots move base

You're an idiot star cream

We slip

Well , we're in this scene here where megatron is about to brutally execute somebody

And that's one of these things you have to watch in the context of

Of animation of that period

You didn't see people get brutally executed in animation

And , but you know , right here

Whos this guy is suck in sidewalk

And you know , that was the

You know , that was , that was a very big deal back in those

You know , this is what i like

You know , this section is beautiful

Is this your favorite sequence here

Yeah

You know , like , uh , the daniel

And the first time we , we can see a few

Few men , you know , right

So , oh hands , transformers always look great next to humans

I always like him while they in their hands

You really can see the size

Yeah

How big they are next you forget to daniel

Yeah

Look at , listen to the this dialogue here

You know it

That's judnelson

Yeah

that's

Hot rod . the shuttle is coming

Let's watch it land

Talk about doll daniel

That was a real little boy . wasn't it yeah

Who played that

Well , daniel is the name of job calls son

Who is younger than that at the time

And uh , really i don't know that that's why he got that name

But they uh

Yeah

I wish they had those

Well , they kind of have those blades now

Those electric blades that you can

You know , two thousand five

Since this is two thousand five

It's too bad they don't have stuff like that

Yeah

Well you please have those in video games

Look at that . look at the transforming

You know that transforming in mid areas

Like jumping and transforming fire in your heart is great

Look at that

Why settle for a peak

Daniel

Who you can see everything from lookout mountain

Look out mountain

Yeah

That's great

They getting up to that

You know , to look up the mountain

Ha ha ha

Yeah

What's funny you listen to the soundtrack here , you know

And this you can tell us it's just really it's getting eighties piece

I mean this whole thing just feels really eighties

And i i mean that in the most affection of possibly absolutely

I love with these guys have done with the color in the

Look at this , look at that sky

Yeah

Yeah

This , this version of it actually looks better

You know , than , than film could look that

I mean , they they've really done a lot nice stuff with the color

and they fixed the sound track five point one now

Because i remember there some

You know , the , uh , the effects

You know , effects coming in from , right

You know , the like a

The orange color from all autobot

A purple color from the decepticon is bad guys

You know

So you can see

You can see there was a difference

You know

you know what's kind of cold

We do as you look at the transformers spaces there's a real kind of nobility

And sort of angelicenness to them

Which is kind of fun because they have actual characters

But at the same time you just look at them

And they look like , you know , iconic

Can't believe you can't live

I love the soundtrack too with it . it's so eighties

Yes

Yes , i say . and this is eighties stadium morocq

I mean i don't even know what the pelime does that stuff it's sound bring

Eighties stadium moroc yeah , yeah

This is it's kind of like the amped power ballads and it's great

哼, not bad for an old timer

Old timer

Yes

Lionel standard . he did a great job with that voice is what's great about cup is he's constantly

You know , talking about the old campaigns

He's kind of like the

You know , a crusty old guy

Yeah

I love through throughout the movie how he talks about he's always telling the story

And daniels always wanting to hear him

What i yeah

What's what's interesting about it is that the way

You merged the humanness of these characters

And the technology geness of them are they

I don't think technology this is a word

But you get what i'm saying it

Did that you can there's no real logic to , uh

You know , a crusty old robot with a husky voice

But it all seemed to work and make a lot of sense

Oh there's the pink one

Yeah

Oh that is a pink woh

Wait my all right . pk one

Sue just made her debut

And and all right , all right

He's looking for sue too

He can't find her

Oh there we are

There is the one and only to the best of my knowledge

Girl transformer that had ever been made up to that period

That is rc

And the nice thing that suu can do is she can settle this controversy is to whether springer seen in that shot or , uh

Hot rod

Who may or may not have been aptly named

Well

I was really your boyfriend

Well , i was pretty monogamous

But in the movie

I was pretty turned on to hot rod

I gotta tell you

And i think during the series

Then look at i'm really good at . yeah

Yeah

I mean you and springer definitely hanging out in the miwe were yeah

Springer and and arc

We hung out together

I liked him a lot

I could have gotten yeah

Some could have worked out there well

but what is interesting about this is that a lot of times

The actors would know things and have insights into the characters that , you know

We never did when we are writing it

Or , yeah

Or you all that

Because the actor was doing the character all the time

wherewe were wrangling one hundred and twenty five guys

And it was enough to just remember who they were

Would you ever hear the actress talk to you about

What they thought their characters

What would be fun if where their character

ars would go to and stuff like that all the time once

What one thing i really changed when we're doing the show was is when i first got into animation

Owen say it was a degraded business

That would be a rough way to put it

But it was a very set tdown fixed business

You know , he had like

Oh wait , nelson one says

Yeah

You know , this is a whole city changing into the , uh , fighting mode

This is a city

But the changing to , uh

Like is that is that tune tuna supreme there or mega supreme there

Yeah

You know , may may try

And you know , this is

This is a close , close staff

Yeah

This is decept consent of the bug to the eat up the metal

So they can get in

You know , this is all the hard rod

And they , they come into the tried to help

You know , i never noticed that bit before

Oh it what we're saying before was it was that , yeah

A lot of times the actors

You know , that didn't happen earlier in my animation career because yeah

It was all , so set down wherever

So this is all , all attack from the , uh , decepticon

You know , this one

Both to make the sense orders to contact up to his prime on moon baseball that's paul hein's voice

I can hear it anywhere

Kinda have that aboidal great quality to it

And we got a lot of times

We just let the actors just sort of riff off what they felt that

Yeah

Yeah

What the character would say is supposed to whatever

Whatever actually hit the page

And a lot of it first got a lot of resistance

Because there's a lot of resistance early on from producers to change anything in the script

And then later on

You know , they just get used to the way we were we yeah

These are great

No , you know the , uh , all the details

You can you can see that time there

We use all high technique

You know , it is a twenty years ago

Yeah

But you know , whatever you see , you know that's all new

We created as a new

Uh , effects and animation and the , uh

The castle of the , uh , background and , uh , just every day

You know this

Yeah

No . is this this is totally different

I mean you brought a certain amount

Animated the party that had never been there before . u yeah

You never . yeah

it does have a certain anime feel doesn't it

Well , you know the handsome mileage

You know , this when withdraw this

You know , this is , this is gigantic

There are so many people working day night

You know

Yeah

I love the detail there

Like having little , two little guys blast in each other way

My mom , you got receptor getting up in the background

And also we have the highlighting and also the , uh , uh , shading

So it's so three different color

You know , the value it gives us such nice step

Yeah

Look at the all the background

The , uh , sky , you know , sky is ua fighting more

You know , it's not the blue sky , you know , right

Um

There's some really beautiful stuff here

I mean , you kind of squint and look at this movie and it's , it's

You know , not particularly here

We'll point it out later on

It's just really are there

So it's , it's really just artful

And , and there's a lot of extra

Yeah

You see the contrast

You know , the , uh , uh , the southern things

I remember this scene actually

And i had to talk as i was straining it'll come up about here

There's daniel trying to wisn't that funny

And of course i wasn't doing that that comes later

but so that's the that's your section two hyeah

i did it

the match for the kill come hot rod look

oh yeah ， devastator . they were here

Yeah , one of the first mega transformers

she had to put five guys together to u

one thing that , that , that to bear in mind

when you watch this is just simply sort of the work order that we had is we had all these characters

And we had to pay off the old characters and bring in the new characters

And you had to show every character in his robot form

And then show every character in his transformer form

and i don't know if anybody you're back in new york had a checklist

And just it's just all the weird technologies that nelson had to make work

You know , i mean , it was really easy to

For me to write that stuff under the script

It's quite another thing

And so many so actually drawing him and figured out

You know , how they , how they work

Would you have to as a writer

Would you and nelson ever budheads on like nelson would say

I can't do that the way you've written that

Or i let's we've got a we've got no

We never discussing like that

You know , whatever he , uh

You know , he's consulting the story

Uh

I mean , he's a houses , uh

You know , quite a times . and i , uh

His concerin trying to transmit to the , uh , uh

Like a usual , you know

So we don't have any problems , you know

But just yeah , really well it well yeah

It wasn't wasn't like there was there's butting hi mean

You know , our issues that were so much about just macro plot

Issues that i don't think there was any budding heads on what things would look like

I don't think any of us ever disagreed on that that , that i

And it always looked better and better

When i saw the stuff than the

You know , when i saw the boards and stuff

Than it looked in my head that i was you just always really hard

It's thrilled to see it

Yeah , dino buds

They were cool characters . design a bot

Yeah grim lock was just wonderfully stupid stopped

Yeah greg burger played grim lock

They were great

All those guys here

Here we go

Here comes the big song

Here comes optimisis power ride

this is the song i like

All right

Well let's take care of this optimist prime trailer issue one time and for all

Okay

Nobody figured out what to do with this trailer

We , you know , we tried everything from his trailer

Just kind of folded up and rolled behind him

But at the end of the day

You just kind of had to make the trailer disappear

It just , it was made of , uh , disappeum

Which was a cybertiny

An element that just made the trailer disappear

You know , they just , they just couldn't figure out how to deal with it

But it fortunately reappears so optimists can take more familiar form

I love this scene

Who optimist is making his , his death run

You know , and last heroic moment

I hate you're not one shall stand

One shall fall

Why throw away your life so recklessly

That's a question you should ask yourself

Megatron

Yeah

This is , i still hear about this scene

I got to help prime stay away lad that's prime fight

What are we twenty minutes in now

And , uh

And optimist prime is

Uh , hope i'm not running for anybody

But nobody watches the listen to the commenter before they watch the moves the first time

And , and we're about to kill an icon here

And we had no idea

No

As i was saying the in the other section

We had an absolutely no idea that we were doing that

We just thought we were getting rid of the eighty

You know , the eighty four product line

I mean , we knew optimist prime was , was a main character

We didn't know that there would be kids that would be crying

And one kid would lock himself in the room , in his room

And it was huge

Wasn't it

It broke the hearts of

Oh , i didn't know i'd be sitting around two or twenty years later

You know , and at some convention and having somebody asked me why i killed optimus prime

You know

And i , yeah

I was acting under orders

I mean , what was gonna fashion off pride

Do it now

It was such a surprise here

When you thought that prime was gonna do it

and then he gets it done to him

Right there

Yeah

But because he has a heart , you know

Yeah

Yeah

He's . yeah , he's he's willing to spare even megatron

Yeah

Which is that's such a great even spare megatron probably observes what they get

Oh yeah

And there and then here's this interesting in it should beat where

You know , rodemus had to have , you know

A certain amount of or , or hot rod at this point

A certain amount of guilt and complicity and optimis's death

I would have waited an eternity for this

it's over prime

optimiforgive me

How do you feel mighty mega chan

This whole relationship between these two guys said you know , you know

Star scream when he gets his first opportunity and and mega trans down

He's getting him big swift kicking the pants

You know , kicking the gut nhding in

right here comes astro train

The decepticons are retreating fine

Did it get in the tide

Yeah

Well , we , yeah

This , you know , this period that we were

You know , we were very just so

So when people were started discovering joseph campbell and

And all that

And we were looking for the deeper mythic structure

And i as funny i was when i was watching last night

Realized how much of that made it in here

You know , and that this story is really about a transition of power

Much the shority of the fans

But nevertheless it was that's that's what it was about

Here we are , it's so quiet

And

You know , optimus prime , uh , turning to , uh , gray

You dark

Yeah , no color , you know

I fear the wounds are fatal

It's a really nice moment

now prime you can't die

Do not grieve

Soon i shall be one with the matrix

Yeah , we wish we trademark the matrix at the time

But it happen the way boy

Ultra magnus it it is to you , old friend

I shall pass the matrix of leadership there's some interesting foreshadowing

This is real sordan stone

You know , kind of stuff

I'm just a soldier

I i'm not worthy

Nor was i

But one day a not a buyou'll rise from our ranks

And used the power of the matrix

To light our darkest horror

Yeah , and the thing i rip that off from winston churchill

Here comes and watch interesting thing happens here

We had a lot of debates to exactly what the auabout matrix lies until that day

till all are one

There are now look who catches it here's our foreshadowing here

He catches it , but it's not for him

But we kind of get in a sense

That maybe arthur has pulled the sword out of the stone here

But no , he has he's given adultramagnets

And this is , you know , it's almost biblical

You know , that the the false one comes first

And yet ultramagnets is a is extremely noble guy

But he's just not noice

It falls out when he tries to put it in his chest

Yeah

I think part of the problem with killing optimist prime was we just took so long doing it

You know , and you know , we have his eyes go out and he turns grin

His head falls sideways

I mean , if we're trying to wrench you that the every kid in america was looking looking a lot like

But you know

But you know , flint and they loved it in the theatres

I mean , this is to take that long

What that was the longest destene in the history of of drama

It shocked people

It really shocked people

Because in those days in animation

It was either really squishy children and stuff

Or it was really politically correct

You know , television stuff

And the idea you're gonna say

Or it was it was franchise based

And you never kill the main character off in your franchise

Oh here's astro train

Yeah

This is one of those things where okay

We ignored science

We we , we didn't interest us that there's no gravity in space

And therefore he can't weigh too much

We just need a way to flush , uh

or you'll see what happens

And against hey

The eyes have it this , this is leading in my favorite scene in the movie

Yeah

So they start , they start chucking these guys out

Yeah

That can be that's what's just so deceptive car now

Now mega try this , this whole character relationship we building up for seasons wa

I still function

What a b that's that's just chris lanta and star scream at their best

I mean that's just unbelievable

Yeah , it's you it's just wonderful stuff

And got to do it to mega try

And what he's been sneaking around and angling to do for two years

He was such a benedict arnold

Yeah , as the new leader

Wait the constructor conform

Oh , i love how they get into a fight here now for robot

Well , because they're decepa bunch of perception and damong the ranks

The boyarguing with everybody else would follow an uncharismatic pool like you

And along with gravity among the things

We also didn't worry about with scale when it was inconvenient

The video cassettes were tiny

These guys popped out and they were huge

When we are when we want video consets to be big

You know , you know , really

We didn't care about that and what's funny

it never seem to bother anybody else i never even caught it

Welcome , you know , actually the , uh

What we try to do this effects

You know , this here

This means the , uh , uh , he's talking

You know , the union on t

The , the taking like , uh , coming sound from the speaker , right

Like , you know , it's physical force to it , uhh

Usource and wells , you know , we know

When orson wells came into the studio

Yeah

I mean the day before wally burr

Played us this tape of orson wells

You know , you know , ripping some poor

You know , he was being difficult in the session

Oh man , was that harsh

Yeah

Yeah

There's a famous tape of him selling peas

Exactly

Yes

Yeah

It's it's it's like , you know , some bad moment

Peas or smells . right , right

And , and he was really honked off

And we all worried that we were gonna arripped

And instead the most just pleasant charismatic

Great guy came in nothing to fear

I have already crushed optimuspying with my bare hands

I , i'll tell you this

You know , this is special effects in here

This is the way we , uh

We exposed three , four times

You know it's not not just only the over , over the , uh , picture

You know that we have to expose

Expose , expose in four times

You know

Oh , that's great

Well

Oh sure as you we are right ? like right there

Yeah

Yeah

You know that's like , uh

Pling the , uh , light

This all exposed the , uh

Maybe for or five times

哎, that was not done with computers

No , no

The time that was done in hand that's the thing

He had to have actual expertise

You know

Yeah , yeah

To have talent long to nobody

perhaps i miss judge sho

Proceeds in your way to oblivion

What

What's interesting here is you have two scenes back to back

where megatrons getting dissed by people in first

He's getting betrayed by star scream

Then he's getting a wedggy from unicorn

And uh , yeah

He , he , he just keeps on going

And he's sitting around trying to figure out

How he's gonna become the most powerful guy in the world

All anyway , back doors and wells

Yeah

I came in and he weighed like four hundred pounds

He said i , i here i playing an entire planet

He he looked like an entire planet

Oh , i can imagine , huh

And he was not in very good health

But he was extremely sweet , pleasant

You know what we did , you know

Yeah

He , uh , rees through the line

And after that we , uh

We tried to put synthesize and make his voices stronger

And that's what we did

Yeah

Yeah

He was kind of wising

Remember that there was he he , he was yet he died

I think , you know , two weeks or i've heard vying numbers amounts of time

But like two weeks after we burin

Yeah

I mean , we knew we got him on the right way

And he's our mother

You know it's amazing

He did the two most

I mean , think of , you know , war of the world's , uh , uh

Citizen came in his film , of course

And then the voice in war of the worlds

And then , oh , he made , yeah

He made quite a quite arguably the best movie anybody's ever made

The most memorable

You know , memorable , uh , radio broadcast . anybody's ever done

Yeah , yeah

And of course you exceeded all that by doing the transformer exactly

That was the uka gra

Yeah

It was well what's

What's interesting about it is that , uh

You know , he , he , he actually worked very well for it

I remember where are you job a call saying at the time that

When you hire famous people at a certain level

You're going from our key value

But it's not only we thought kids have come racing into the movie to see yours and wells

That the reality is , yeah

You , you have to hire them for what they bring to the party

Get on with a ceremony

Yeah , i like these treacherous losers and star screams trying to get himself crowned

Look at that . ha ha

You see the ubof the all you know there's such good comedy in that

Yeah , yeah , he's got a cape on e

Who disrupts my coronation

Coronation star scream

This is bad comedy

Metron , is that you here's a hint

And there's leonard nemo

Yeah

It's not an name way

Yeah

He's transformed from megatron in two

You know , if you think about it was kind what this whole story is about

And it's a lot about what movies should be more about than they are now

It's about transition . now we were doing it

Because we were trying to transition out one line of toys for another

But interestingly enough , as you watch this now

Yeah

You can almost interpret it as character growth that the here's here's galvatron and he is megatron

But he's more than megatron

And it's kind of like when gadelf came back

So he's a bad guy

And what you're gonna see is you're gonna see the way the auto butts

You know , transform it's not through sorcery and weird stuff

It's , you know , they're

They're gonna follow a leader who frankly isn't up to the job

And they sort of all know it

And i think , you know , all the autobots saw the matrix slipping around

But there are of buts

They're on the same team

Who cares

I'm more worried about where it's going

I love the one bought with a texan accent

Yeah

Yeah

We were very the one regional right door , regional robot

Yeah

We , uh

That was another thing

We didn't worry about a lot

We didn't worry about how you get

I guess we figured they're all in disguise anyway

So they picked voices of disguise them too

Oh yeah

And you get twenty guys in one room

They all start sounding a life

Well , yeah , that was really

You have to really separate them

Yeah

I mean , you know that's better than , better than i do

Yeah

Uh , cliff jumper was played by casey kson and , uh

We , we had a couple wrangles with him in the course of the , of the series

We had one episode where there was a guy who was obviously moo market doe

This is around the time

And the , you know , moo markai was trying to shoot down our planes and stuff

And he was from a country called carbania

It's kind of prophetic when you look at it back from two thousand and six

But anyway , we had

He was a really bad guy in case you

You know , thought that it was

You know , offensive to arabs and , and all that

And wrote a nasty letter to joe and tom

Who , whatever their particular political beliefs on the thing

You know , kind of supported me

And i said , look , you get moon market happy to behave a different way

We'll stop making cartoons about them

Went out to talk to about rock and roll one day

You know , because you wait around a lot

All right

Well , do you finished the story suit

What did you have say

Well , he's so , you know , here he is , uh , uh , from this character

Yeah

And then he shaggy and scooby

Do you know , i mean , he was in the exact same voice

Yeah , he , he kind of looked at me and he said , yeah

I really like rock much

Is that right

Yeah , that's okay

Ha ion already did you done it wait go ha ha ha

look it isn't even danit oh shit

what are we gonna do now

They're being sued to it

How dare unicorn cybertron and all its moons belong to me

You know it's wonderful to have actors

Though be so serious to their art

And this , i mean we believed what we were saying

Yeah

Yeah

No , i mean with it

You know , we did it with with what

There was ten percent

Yeah

There was zero insincerity creativities

I mean what

What

Yeah , yeah . was really gay

Great about transformers and it was different than a lot of projects

You know , like this that you come across

And that is and i i've just had a charm career this way

But is these guys were really sincere

Everybody working on this project was trying no

There was nobody saying , oh man

We're doing this dog log

You know , saturday morning show

And we're gonna guess we're gonna sell some toys

Yeah

And we pretty much flush that attitude out of the show

As much as we could , you know , from

You know , places where we could have been important to the show

You ever

No good news by people fighting over things is means to the care

Hhh

I love to that

You have daniel sitting on my shoulder

Yeah

You know , there's that that mother instinct , the female instinct

Yeah

You know that's really good

It's the size of it . l

Yeah , and yeah

And she's huge

But she's she's , uh

Got the maternal instinct to take care of that before that's really great

That's great

I gala tron will crush you just as megatron

And listen to leonard's voice too

It's it's so good . it's such a transition out of megatons voice

It's really arch . and it's it's not misspx voice

But you recognize it as the same character

Yeah , for you

Well , that's the other thing you

We work with extremely talented people

I mean , you realize why they're families

And you know why you know who they are

Is they're just they're amazing

And you better stay close to me

Okay , now you're flirting with him out here , here's the scene

You better stay close to me

Ha ha h i love

And they got they have the kids

That's got a symbolic man

I don't know whether , well

The transformers can have kids

Oh there's a dumb old graham lock

Nice

greg burger played yeah hey yeah

What was interesting about transformers is , is

Why i was a botcon one year

And yeah

While was signing a bunch of things

I was asking people what's your who's your favorite transformer

You have done some tit's embarrassing designing things . and , uh , um

They , it was really amazingly well distributed between the different characters that they were awesome

Some like some , some like the others

Yeah

And i think a lot , it just depending on

What toy their parents had happened to get them and things like that

But

Yeah

This is where , uh

Yeah , hot ride idea

And this , this is also the year where i was writing this red

The year the bears won the super bowl

And so a lot of the

This generation of characters is based on members of the , uh , eighty five bear team

I can't really remember who's who was that for alter trivia that's good trivy

Yeah

I see here's jimmy man love for stories

You're living one now engaged to boost is precybertron say yeah

Not remembering also about petro rabbits . again

I'll give you petrol rabbits

contact

Looks like we're shipmates squirt all right

but if you get space sick you're gonna walk home

wait don't come magnus are she's still out there

Is there any scene that you

That you would artistically do differently

Yeah

I'm i'm looking at the idea like , u , uh , the direction

I mean the the right and left the direction and

Uh , hookups and the , um

You know , close up support not necessary

Sometimes , you know , those kind of things i have to mention

But you know it's not , not big deal

You know it's so

Uh , nicely well done

You know , uh , like this

This is sky should be

Should it be the , uh

It has some , uh , some kind of uclouds

But this is , uh , you know , flat

You know that those kinds things i , i want to change

And

Uh , i want to mention , you know

But you know this beautifully done

You know , so why , uh

Picking up the background

Good partswoop . good part

Yeah

You see cups telling is crushed the old war stories

And this is all set up for this wonderful moment later on

Where cop's gonna say no

I've never seen anything like this before that's when you know you're really indeed out of

And i thought for sure

Hey cup don't you think we have better things to do now than tell old stories ? like what

Like maybe figure out how we're gonna rescue our friends

Yeah

The transformers was not the first toy film , uh

Nor was it the first toy show

Of course , you know , he ana master

The universe came ahead of time

And he man mashed in the universe also had a a film

However , it was a live action film

I think dolf lgren was in it

But don't don't , uh , make me testify to that

And at sun bow , we did transformers

My little pony

And , uh , the gi joe movies and transformer movie

You know , was , was

You know , when it came out

Did , you know , did not blow the front off the box office

And , and you know , i think assberg got skittish for gi joe

And so it was dvd only released

I think that's what happened

I'm not sure about it

And it's it's really a film that's been discovered later on

Um , a a lot of the other toy shows

There were , you know

Who knows how many teenage ment ninja turtles

Which was really sort of the last of that era

And was kind of an interesting toy

Because it was a reaction to transformers is you

If you remember the mid eighties was about the time that , you know , parents groups

You know , started being formed

And they were really upset about violence on tv

And , you know , worried their kids were to steal f fifteen and fly me around or something

And , uh , so teenage mean muting inja turnals came out and to mommy

It looked like cute turtle

And what the kids saw was the ninja sword

And people getting , you know , whiled in a half

And so everybody was happy

And so this was , we used to call them generically

We call them toasters and squishes

You know , toasters were robotic shows that where the toaster suddenly came to life

And squishes were , you know , any

You know , girl property or really

You know , really soft

You know , wiener property that , you know , we

We like to make funny a fun of

But yet transformers was the pinnacle of a toaster show

Yeah , never got more toastery after that

Exactly what they're gonna see prepare for emergency separation that's too dangerous

What choice do we have

The autobots have been terminated

Excellent

And the matrix with them

You know , in this whole thing with the matrix and everything this came out

This is twenty years before the movie matrix

You know , this is , so it probably took it from this

Yeah

Well we got it probably from , uh , combat matrix as we , uh

I designed a lot of games

The time you always had a combat matrix

Which is , you know , kind of a grid that you put in a

Or we may not have gotten it from there

I don't , i don't really know

I'm just kind of guessing myself

Made three quarters of the ship

Seeing as how they would have detonated four quarters

I think it was a good choice

But now how are we gonna get there in this wreck receptor

Your locate a place to sit down for repairs

Gamble waves in this sector of space create marginal navigation probabilities

However

Hayes , i believe i can

The planet of junk is in this facility

Then let's go for it

Yeah , this is the big fish child down

Uh , actually , uh , this section

Uh

This is all , uh , new there's a new character we developed

Yeah

Let's say , well that's

One of the other funny things about transformers is

You know , when , when we get ourselves into a plot thole

You know , just about they're like big swiss army knives

You know , and just about anything could come flying out of his wrist

I mean , you know , in , in , in the world of logic

You would wonder how even got tied up

And , but those things anyway

If he had a bandon his wrist

But so by the time you find the

nothing is gonna be standing away

酒与我一道方

I am your ight

you got the cold for all the heart we won't it all

we want it to ight

I would raid to let my tide we're gonna say dance weet joy

ride we won't be donight

Cup and yes cup looking worse for the wear here

It's kind of actually a charming little scene

Fix me sure cup right away

Yeah , because this is sort of the mentor apprenticeship program for the young hero

I mean , he's sort of

Yeah

Merlin is not an entirely accurate analogy

But you know , he's

He's sort of that now cups gotta save him

And sort of it's one of his many steps to atoning for his responsibility for

For optimus death

Yeah , the junkids

Yeah , they , they were in the script really early on

The whole idea was that they would talk tv

And , uh

Yeah

We , we had a lot of different iterations of what that meant

Yeah , i'm not sure we ever hit quite as well as we wanted to

But then again

One of , you know , a lot of the jingles and stuff are trademarked

And we didn't want to get into that

That battle , you know , either

So we , we kind of sort of clge the scene together way

Kind of the way that the junkions are clued together

Remind me to give the auto pilot a raise

Daniel

It's such a great running theme in this movie for rc to really care about

Um , daniel , and i love that

She hands the exo suit to , uh

His dad's exo suit to daniel

It's really kind of handing over the torch

Very , um , meaningful

And she also says , you know , keep practicing

Don't quit

Don't give up

You can do it

It's great

It's also a light moment in the movie too

I think it's very u

Making the autobots very human

Uh , great human quality coming from the hearts of the autobots

I liked it

Just think about what you want to do before you do it

It's kind of tricky

Whoa

Ah

Well

You know , as you see , uh

You know , a lot of stuff there on the background

And the all , all the detail for the , uh , each

You know , characters

You know , this is different from , uh , ah , tv series

Tv cities are more like symplify the line

So this , this one has the lot of extra line to , you know , uh

You know , as , you know

There's a lot of pencil mileage

You know , taking a long time to draw

And , uh , also

Uh

You know , the , the highlights and the , uh , the body color

And we , we call their body color

And also also shade all the , uh , like , uh

Uh , shadows , you know , on airtee that they also the context shadow on the ground

You know

That does it

So quite a different from , uh

Uh , you know , tvc is an animation

And , uh , the movie

Yeah

Because i remember when we were mixing the tv series

And they'd always projected a giant screen over at paramount

You know that on a full size movie screen

Even though it was a television show

I remember doug booth and i were talking one day

And so we started saying , you know

Did they really like clean these up and fix them up

You know , this , this isn't that different than a movie

And then when we saw a real movie , which said , well yeah

It is a lot different than a real move than the real movie

This scene it's it's it's funny with movies

There are certain things that just get written and

And never get changed in there forever here

And this scenes kind of kind of that

And the shark cons were never

Yeah

Never need jeopardy

Well , it's not seen . i really remember

Which means it was something that was probably written once

And i , you know , it may well have , uh

You know , a lot of company

The original stuff iron on friedman

I , i just don't remember

But you know , the i i don't look at this scene

And remember the fist fights

A lot of scenes . you , you look at

You remember all the fist fights and the arguments

And , you know , ultimately ego

You know , sixteen rounds over , you know , one line of dialogue

And then entire scenes just always sort of skate by

And nobody notices thinks about them

One else , you know , like , uh

You know , scrape and storyboard is quite a different , you know , storyboard

The , uh , first to the , uh , uh

You know , we have to show , uh , graphics

You know , what , what do we have to do like , uh

The staging and how , uh

Uh , dimension look , you know , is everything a change into from

Uh

Uh , like , uh , the writing

You know , writing is , uh , um

You know , writing

But , you know , we have to

Uh , change to the visual concept

Everything color and , uh , dimension and the , all the effects and , uh

How moved the , all the motions of the , each character

You know

So it's quite a different from

Oh yeah

No sa screen plan

Incredibly incomplete medium is like difference between a blueprint , the building

I mean , yeah

Yeah

You know , that's , uh

It's totally different

Well , the quintet sounds okay

This , this gets into account of an interesting issue

And that is , uh

Yeah

We never really had a , an origin storage or origin mythology for the

For the , uh , quinaissance

And yet they seem very ancient

They seem to proceed everything else

They seem to be all knowing

And the , uh , there was something that , yeah

We used much , you know , to much larger effect in the third

You know , the will . and we'll say the controversial third season

Um

And you know , they

They ended up having a

You know , a , a major relationship and dog in the fight in the whole lot of bunauto about decepticon t war

And i think we knew that

I think a lot of

I mean , if you want to know

Where the outtakes from the movie went

You just watched five faces of darkness

Which was the mini series that started the third season

And as i said , that is extremely

You know , a controversial

Some people love it

Some people hate it

Has the imperial majesty reached a verdict

I have one of the big things that happened

This is a writer thing is you write so many different versions

Like last night when i was watching it

There were whole scenes i'd forgotten about

And then there were scenes i thought were in there

They weren't in there

And it gets very blurry between what was in your brain and what's actually in the movie

not the end i'd wish for that

Me swood no see nothing

me grim lock positive hot round and cup clothes

me slags say you full of viridium balloy

Many gm lock say you will of cum alarmy god

I'm alone i friends time

look behind who said that

Friend find look behind you go wrong way

You fool like it by instinct

A lot of times on a comedy writer

And you know , the you dynambus was just such an opportunity for comedy

And this movie had so much potential for being just very sort of one note

You know , griham itself important that there

You see these big goo falls

And there's no way to , you know

To avoid having fun with them

And , and we needed our unsophisticated sort of kid characters really safine friends

Today

We leaves ice kind of a wiener of a character that , uh

You know , i never

I never really got into

He was like one of those things else

And you discovered as a product that's wheeling

And you gotta get him into anything

But yeah

You can't love all your characters equally

Unicorn , why did you torture me

You have failed

No unicorn

Ultramadness is dead and the matrix destroyed

The matrix has not been destroyed

And ultra magnus lives on the planet of junk

Stock him

carry him apart

And destroy the matrix

Be sure the fittings are securely welded

Absolutely , positively definitely . i wouldn't do it any other way

Any other way at all

Wow this sexel suits fantastic

I think i'm starting to get the hang of it

Unicorn the , uh , uh

Changing into uan actual human like , you know , uh

Uh , it , we , we , uh , we discuss about the

You know , when we do , uh , character , you know , uh

It's gonna be really hard

Because they're all round

You know , around the shape of unicron

Uh

But anyway , uh , i , i didn't know

Uh

Toy not come up to the , uh , a certain period of time

There goes the shuttle

What do i do transform , transform

You can do it

i know you you can do it

human germ transform

there they are

make a break for cover i'll try to unleash the power of the matrix

I mean , ultramagnets

You know , he was never gonna be the next , uh

The next optimist

I think my recollection

Yeah

And i would not

I would not testify to this

But i react recollections

There are a couple of times he was killed

And we figured , you know , even even we soft and softened up

But , you know , i don't remember whether

Oh damn it's a very interesting thing

And that is

There is , there are a couple of curse words in this

In this movie that were put there specifically to get a pg rating

Because we knew we , they didn't have pg thirteen

Oh , i guess he did in those days , it did , um

but to get a pg rating just so that it didn't seem like a little kids fm

There's a case where censorship and rating leads to more foul language and , uh , violence

What's very interesting though today is , you know

We look at this is being a long time ago

but today this violence level would probably get you much harsher rating

and people would be much more upset about it

Than they were back in the mid eighties

Before his imperial magistry delivers a verdict

Would you like to dig for your lives

It sometimes helps

But not often

I can't transform

Keep dying violence or will be held in contempt from this court

I have nothing but contempt for this court

Guilty or innocent

innocent

They've got more shark docs than we have photon charges

Then let's hold the demolition

davi

when i see what i want

i'm gonna take it

If it's against the all you can set out breaking

here are some real eighties metal

With eighties metal on the screen too

b

best to keep me alive

You're interesting thing about the show is , yeah there , yeah

We we've , we've found a line

And this is this is pure nelson here

I mean this may been one line in the script

but we they found a lot of ways to have these guys be cars and b robots

And have it kind of makes sense

And and just feel right

And he realized there's a real difference between emotional film logic and real world logic

And , and

And if if you establish a world in a certain way

It's amazing how much you can get away with

You know , now what i'm looking at

You know , uh , probably timing

We should cut more some place

But , you know , but too , too late

But , uh , this is a chunk of with the work

And

Uh , you know , it's so many

So many , uh , you know , hours we've been through

Yeah

Well , it's a great looking scene though when the shark tekaz

I think came out really well

And they pushed the cartoony edge of the french edge

You know , there you look at them

They're sort of the most stylized and cartoony

But that's also great

You want to franchise to have a range

You know , it can't be all

You know , one note slingshot

I mean , i know that was ever a slingshot years before since

And transformers we got one in there

Ha ha i never thought i'd be so happy to see those big boos me grim lock

no bozo me king

Yeah , i mean it , it seems like there's a lot of demand for the movie

And it's certainly , you know , when i

But i do a lot of work in video games now

And everybody knows about the movie and people are always asking questions

We really is a sort of cultural icon to a whole generation of kids

And , and at the time

You know , it was not some huge move hit movie

And , uh , it didn't blow the front off the box office

But then again , you didn't have quite the same animated family market then that you do now

But , uh

But it really , really hung in there

And has been sort of , uh , newly rediscovered or not even newly

But as the , the generation of these kids grew up

Who cares as long as it flies

Ultramadness

Without the matrix , there is no hope

No hope , no hope , no hope at all

Incredible turning point in the movie when

Uh , ultra magnus eyes

First prime , then ultra magnus

I love being able to say that in the movie too

First prime , now ultra magnus

What do we do

Such a , such a feudal moment for her

Such a cheap realizes the gravity

Uh , in the , in that moment

And of course then she blows up junkie

And her true , that true hero side comes out

Aha , that's great

It's time to let your baby is so to be come

If it's time to let my boss fight

You better put on your recoone that did you better come to chill before they hatch

It's not hard to knock them down

it's getting them to stay down that's the trick

They're indestructible

And yeah

No , i mean , this was also

You know , our source on this

This was also very much the error road warrior

We just took a one step further decided

Hell let's have a whole planet made out of trash

And you know , that the verbal of quivalent is trash is tv commercials

This of course coming from an ad agency

So , you know , we use tv jingles

This kind of , you know , verbal garbage

And , uh

It all sort of kind of adds up and it works out . okay

As i said before , this one of those things that

Yeah

You'd like to go back and make it look work a little bit better

You know , not the the visuals are great

I mean yeah , the the the directing is great

I'm , i'm more specifically talking about the writing because they're

You know , you have people like eric idle working on your thing

you know , you want to make sure you really got it right

Well

You know , you put the all kind of things

You know , you whatever you thinking there

You just put it so that's that's what we have to do it , you know

Yeah

Uh

Look at this is , you know , this one's spinning in , you know , standing on the ground

Yeah

This is really an innovative spaceship

Yeah

And the thing , the thing that's easy not to notice

Looking at all this bizarreness

But it's the amount of ingenuity

You know , i mean

You know , you know , nelson just decided , hey

I want to have a spaceship in here that isn't like a flying saucer

And it doesn't look , you know , we've already seen this shuttle

It's gotta be let's have a big giant corkscrew

Come in yonthat's that's not something you see every day

Neither are they in case you haven't noticed

What was that universal greeting again

Never mind

I remember bo weep grown up weep ninnbg

Oh yeah

Yeah

We definitely muring the universal gredient very is a gagged

We , uh

You know , was always in it

Yeah

That gag was never threatened with being cut out

Every like the universal greeting the fever

A future that you

So what you gonna do

Dit be stubbly be stupid

What did i say

D so tell me what i say

Do you do this ? it's all right

Look at this super on the right to come on join the crowd

Gonna be the man shit up

Wow better be good

Look me glock not kiss me glock king

Have a nice day and please close

Come before striking friends , ref sor lucy

So say a jian wher'd you learn to talk like that

This song , by the way , is , is one of the songs

It really works best in the show

Uh , i mean , it really fits well with the junk gans , and in my opin

Well actually , i think the music , you know

I know there is controversial on another

There are a lot of people that didn't like the music

But thanks eighties arena rock is probably about perfect for transform

i'll be modering up to do to do

Rock is the one is the life in transformer

Logic had prime died on , uh

You know , died on junkion planet

Maybe they couldn't put it back together

But you know , unfortunately all of the , uh , the , uh

Spark of life had left him

And the the matrix had been pulled out of his chest

so and also too ultramagnus had not been cancelled from the product line

And prime had and life's heart now destroy k

Eliminate even the toughest stain

No fuss

No muhurry harry harry style mastin rush right on down

And test drive rate is one

We needed some kind of a of a que to explain

I mean , he shows the tv and says that we just need to set that up

We we need to clue that up a little bit better

You know , cue it up a little bit better than we did in the well

Yeah

Here's a corkscrew ship with the , uh

The , uh

Certain picky fans

You know , complain about the fact that the stuff wasn't moving around the background

Yeah

I could say , huh for me too

Uh , h

And that would be just like an official that's the international language for

You know , go away , don't bother me , uh

Okay

So unit crown

All right here's unit crime answer me

See the

Yeah

I don't care whether you see , you know

Megatron or , uh , galva tron

You know , he's still the the same pompous but and routinely

You know , humiliated by everybody around him

But he remains leader

The decepted consin that was actually kind of a fun thing that we worked on as we wanted

You know , a certain amount of charm and humor in these characters

You know , even though they're supposed to be the alter bad guy

Yeah , the ambient background music guy thinks really good

I actually bought this soundtrack

Um

And , uh , you know , actually listen to at a certain kinds

I , you listen to a lot of film scores and stuff like that when i'm writing and , and , uh

So , uh

I'll be listening to some of the ambient stuff in this

And be thinking it that's really good and then realize , oh , it's transforming

Yeah

Well watch this

You know , this is the , uh , the transforming into u

You know , gilbert tron becoming the human like , you know , i mean

You shall witness it's disneme

I mean , no , we noticed his mouth isn't moving as he talks

But kind of establish his voice comes out of that

You know , sort of weird hole in his body

You get to , you get into those kind of issues

And never know how to answer him

Yeah , unicron , that was just , uh

He was a hugely controversial when , when you say this is fair else

And he was a hugely controversial edition to the film and

And controversy has a funny having a manifesting itself and , uh

In the form of inconsistency in the final product

Yeah

You can tell

Yeah

I mean , you know , it

It would be , you could teach a whole ph d class in

You know , analyzing the development process and the production process by looking at the final product

And that can watch movies and see what the arguments were in the room and , uh

What happened and , and usually at least fingerprints like a crown

Indifferent that's what we're gonna find out

This far , right

For up to five years

Well , you know , when i said the , uh , uh

We search around the , uh , the sequence

You know , sometimes , u , uh

This is not to come up as what at the beginning , you know , right

It will change

Yeah

Exactly

You know , i know you get some notes

You know , i don't like the way unicorn looks in this scene

And it's like you don't want to tell them

Well that's what we've modeled them for a raillar seam

So unicorn just looks different than that , sc

You know , and there becomes just this reality of

You know , the jobs getting to get done

And there are only so many , uh , retakes

You get only so many weeks of fixes

You get that's right sometimes that we never get to fix

but i hope they didn't get him

You are the future in your hand

Yeah

I mean , yeah

I think the , in the , in the inconsistency

Just , you know , come from the fact

We live in an imperfect universe and yeah

And with world enough and time

You would , uh , you'd probably be able to fix them

The interesting thing is , is that i tend to discover about the time

And i think you , you , you could argue this with a lot of , you know , digital things

Not really , not really cg movies because they're a different animal

But there were a lot of things where that

You know , the minute you have the time and you have the luxury

You get a , you don't get inconsistencies and

And flaws be get a different set of problems

You get over think and people getting sick of the material

There's a lot to be said for just doing something pretty fast and

And allowing it to maintain the initial enthusiasm in hea

Destroying the time

Now you should be obliterated , of course

So here's a great scene

Okay

Galvatron is such a treacherous swine

or an unicorn is so evil that for a minute and a half

Galvatrounds actually switching over to the side of the autobots

They finally sound

And i love that theme of you have two enemies

But they finally found a third thing

That's so bad that they're willing to join forces

Of course

Yeah

You know , and galvatron lacks the , uh

You know , the moral fortitude to , you know , stick by his guns

but yeah , that's why is it accepton

Yeah

Actually , uh , you know , this is final

He's , he's gonna lose song soon

You know , so it's concentrating for , uh

You know , unicron attacking from , uh , auto buds

Well , it's kind of nice as , yeah

That all the still hoidea is scratching your way

And metal stuff was set up really early on with the insect or ons

Where when they're invading out about base

That's really important is even as inconsistent

As we are about the powers and the abilities of certain

Uh , creatures are that by the way

It's my favorite look for unickunickon right there

Wow

This is such a troublesome moment for our sea

When she separated from daniel

It's a exciting pinnacle moment in the movie

But still you don't know what's gonna happen your hardest behind

Will daniel be saved

Will the autobots be washed away

Another water , water there are we , uh , it's just like a human body

You know , we have lots of water inside of the , uh

Uh , physic , you know , so this is , uh , uh

Express , express like that , you know

Yeah

Yeah

The idea is to set up the unicron is some oversized

Horrible manifestation of the worst aspects of , of

You know , meat and machinery and india

What's he powered by now

Yeah

I mean , talk about matrix references , particularly to this

Um

Yeah

I mean , what's he powered by is powered by the , you know , spent

This is an asset tank

You know , this is all

Whatever they are drop into , uh

Just melting down , you know

Yeah

And he sees on the energy out of it

Right

Isn't that he's , he's making energy or whatever he's doing with that

Okay

Yeah

There's poor , poor spike

Who we haven't seen for a while about the

About to get the quick cook

If , you know , his son's gotta figured it out

And you set up the sole problem

Whether , whether daniel can power the suit and get it to do

What he wants it to do or not

Oh good

He , he closes the seat , you know

Yeah

There we go

Thank you

and sure enough you have that moment of doubt

Where he like brought amus before him

Thinks he failed to save his his father figure

But this case really is his father

time stop today galvatron

Okay . here's

Here's the rematch

here urodimus prime in galvatron

Now originally , you know , i remember there versions of scene

Where galvine and tried his treachery and

And hot ride turned it against him and destroyed it was

Yeah

I was kind of like dirty harry

You know , i know what you're thinking fun

But , uh , yeah , i didn't quite end up

As with the hot rod being is quite as vicious as uhrodimus

Of this , uh , being as vicious

I want him to be

i will crush you with my bare han

die autobot

Summary is how things gonna die

We also don't worry about whether robot physiology allows for your windpipe to be stopped

you know

So much of it about is is just about what you know

Looks logical and feels logical to the eye

Rather than what would be logical

And the internal logic of the property

You it's a pity you autobots die so easily

or i might have a sense of satisfaction now

You got the touch , you know , uh

Umetric metric power opens

You know , uh , once open

Then maybe , uh , uh , it's gonna be

Uh , take a three seconds

You know , it's very important

You know why , why we have to , uh

Just to show the , uh

Three seconds and claws

So we have , this is tremendous dea power energy opens

We're gonna repeat . and we , we have to show this

Because the important , you know

That's why we have , uh

So many different angle and repeat open same opening

But we just repeat

Uh , especially animation , uh

If you do a slow motion

It's not gonna be shown

Or this mistake of the animation

Or , you know , the like a slow motion

You know , it

It doesn't have their definition

You know

So , uh , we just obviously we just show the , uh

You know , it's just the three , four times a different angle

Yeah

Also too this , this was the eighties

You know , and the , and remember the action films

The eighties , you showed the same explosion

You know , in slow motion nineteen times over and over again

Because that's what you do

Then it's like people look at , at this era and say

Hey , look at those really garishly used digital effects

Well

You know , that was the toy . we had that

And so that's what , what we played with

Never fight daniel springer . what's going on

No time to answer that

Now let's get up

And actually the , uh

This is uui kan , uh

You know , blessed ing off

Continue , you know , continue bing off

Becoming he's ahead like , uh

You know , orbit to turning , turning the cybertrand . no

So magnificent here . flint . great story

Just really strong story

How the autobots are transforming here

Ythe whole movie in some ways is about , you know , their

This is the dark side of cyber tron that shows up

I mean a weird way

You know , jay and i got our what we thought is

Are just our brilliant idea of what the script should be

It sort of came in here in the sense that , you know , yeah

This was very a bunch about

You know , some kind of , uh

Yeah

Destruction the dark side it's over tron

Look at that nelson

I love the design

How you've got them coming out of , uh , unicorn eye

Ha ha after they transform

Just super such a poignant ending to the movie

Yeah

That his head getting cut off

Yeah

That was something i really like

Because i wanted to do a lot of stuff with his head later on

I was just felt that that

Uh , unick's head should reappear

And other parts of his body should turn up here and there

We march forward to a new age

Age of peace and happy

I and , and what i don't know what

What i know is i in my mind

Okay

This doesn't exist in the real universe

But in my mind

Um

This in five faces , the darkness are very related

Related things and in fact other things

In the third season , though

I sort of morphed off of transforms about halfway through the third season

You know , not that far into it

And , you know , start doing visionaries and humanoids and stuff

This this is us go round round round the door as a hoe

Yeah

I mean , yeah

It was very important to me

That stuff show up here

All right

Is there anybody here

We hadn't talked about here

Oh , michael bell did a lot of voice for both joe and transformers

And i saw i'm just recently he's doing great

Still do all his voices

they're sue arthur berg hart

And peter callen

We talked about him

He did a great job

Skatman cler told the great , uh

Stanley cooper at clint eastwood story

Chris lota , uh

He was a great guy

He died never quite figured out how

Um , yeah

Neil neil ross

He did a lot of th projects for the frank walker

Frank walker

I mean that guy , that guy was just raw genius

He was , you know

Two standard deviation from the norm

I mean he was great

He could do anything

I'm sort of sorry to see the see the movie

And here it's been a nice

I mean right now in my head , i'm

I'm not sure i'm back in eighty five

But you know , i'm maybe i'm somewhere in like the mid ninety

Somewhere between then and now right now

Amazing how much this brings back it's that's funny thing about projects

That projects can date a whole era your life

And now look at this

And you know it's part of it's about the movie and part of it

It's about the you know , this really sweet period

When i was living in new york

And having a grand old time in my twenties

Living in new york in a hotel and rewriting a movie error

You know , being in the , the office in westwood

And all that , that's that's funny how that works

yeah ， it's completely different than way a fan sees that it's it's different

Pannier with band rick there

And he was in every body to love his guitar work

And , uh

how's the union

Jim gractiana

Carol whiteman was absolutely , she was fabulous

Carol whitman , you know

Was , was just just wrangled this wonderfully

You know , the young shin the , uh , the bomb

Yeah

You know , this is my wife

Oh , that's correct

Flora , flora dairy that he is a design

You know , most of them

You know , yeah

Hildemessnick went by there

Hilde's still a good friend of mine

She ran our west coast ko chang

and this all , uh , storyboard artist here you

It's amazing

Yeah , that all these people that , yeah

When you see this

Yeah

I was out of saying with hilddy

She's , uh , now john freman

No mcain and jerthe moo

You know this song of dog and roger . they were great guys

Roger worked for a sun bow for years

After all this . he was , he was one of the last man standing

Yeah , look at these , they all these names coming back

Only evil you to go transfor me

Love all over me

The eyes transfor my

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Okay , well you , you know , thanks for , uh

Thanks everybody out there and , uh

In fan land for

Uh , for watching this and , uh , and goodbye

I'm flint . hi , this is susan again

Thank you very much

Uh , you know , i'm

I'm coming all the way from korea

You know , do this , uh

Uh , this nelson xin , uh , uh

Thank you and everybody

Thanks so much for listening to the commentary

We should have fun and we hope you did too

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