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[muffled court proceedings]
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[Yvonne] Who are you, really?
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You may not be a spook, Mark Costley...
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but one thing's clear.
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[Mark] You're beautiful.
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You're in love with secrets.
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[Mark] Life's mysterious.
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[Yvonne] Maybe that's allwe shared, you and I...
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[Mark] Trust me.
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[Yvonne] ...a secret.
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A secret we have to keep.
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[prosecutor] Sergeant Johns,
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the man we have
in the dock here, Mr. Costley,
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-do you know him?
-Yes.
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I worked with him throughout
my time at The Crown Estate.
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-On a daily basis?
-That's correct.
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Would you mind describing to the court
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Mark Costley's responsibilities
as a security advisor,
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-so far as you understand them?
-Certainly.
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It was his job to ensure
compliance, Health and Safety,
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any arrangements for special events,
checking the duty log,
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supervising shifts
for the CCTV monitoring crews,
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that sort of thing.
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And was Mr. Costley good at his job?
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Yes, he was, on the whole.
He was very reliable, efficient.
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During the time you worked
with him, until he was arrested,
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did your colleague display
any behavior that led to concerns
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that he might be unstable?
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No. He did everything
that was required of him.
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-He was just... normal.
-Normal?
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To talk to, the way he acted.
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Were you aware of any change
in what you describe
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as Mark Costley's "normal" behavior
in the days before the killing
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of George Selway
on March 12th of this year?
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I can't remember any change at all.
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-He seemed... how he always did.
-What about prior to that?
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In November of the previous year,
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when Yvonne Carmichael told him
she'd been raped?
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Did you observe any change
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in your colleague Mark Costley's
behavior at that time?
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No. I don't remember any change
whatsoever. He was just Mark.
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[Bonnard] Sergeant Johns.
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You've told the court
that you saw no change
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in Mark Costley's behavior
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-in November last year, correct?
-Yes.
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That's not strictly true, is it?
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In respect of Mark Costley's
behavior to you,
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-was there a change?
-Not really. I don't think so.
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Isn't it the case
that during November
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the two of you had had
a short-lived relationship
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-which ended acrimoniously?
-No. That's absolutely untrue.
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It wasn't a relationship.
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I wouldn't describe it like that at all.
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How would you describe it?
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I would say...
Mark propositioned me.
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And had he "propositioned" you
prior to this?
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No.
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So this marked a change
in his behavior, then?
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I suppose so. I thought that
you meant his general--
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You went for drinks
with Mr. Costley after work
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on, I believe,
three or four occasions.
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Not that many times.
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-Once or twice.
-Oh, really?
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Well, my information is that
it was at least three times,
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and the last of these occasions,
in early December of last year,
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you had intimate contact
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with Mr. Costley in a Westminster pub
called the Bull and Keg.
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Firstly, the first time we went out
was with a group of people.
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So, I would say twice.
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Secondly, the contact
that you're referring to
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was initiated by him
and I told him to stop.
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[prosecutor] Immediately?
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Did you ask him to stop immediately,
Sergeant Johns?
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Not immediately. No.
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So perhaps you could take us
through exactly what happened
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between you in the Bull and Keg?
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We'd had a few drinks
and Mark, Mr. Costley,
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had his hand on my knee.
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It was making me uncomfortable.
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Just having his hand on your knee?
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No!
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I have no wish to embarrass you,
Sergeant, but can I suggest
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that you and Mr. Costley had been
drinking since around 6:00 p.m.
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He had his hand on your knee
beneath the table.
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At some point, he moved his hand
under your skirt,
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down your tights
and into your underwear.
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Where he proceeded...
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I believe the appropriate
colloquialism is, to finger you.
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[prosecutor] My Lord, I fail to
see how this is in necessary--
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[Bonnard] I'm establishing
the fitness of the witness
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to assess the defendant's
mental state.
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I'll allow this question,
but move on swiftly please, Ms. Bonnard.
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Did Mr. Costley insert his finger
into your vagina, Sgt. Johns?
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Yes.
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And did you prevent him from doing so,
or object in any way?
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Not at the time, no.
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So, you and Mr. Costley
had intimate sexual contact?
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Which, in many people's eyes,
constitutes a relationship.
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-I told him I didn't like it.
-Was this in the pub?
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No. At work, the next day.
It was embarrassing.
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I told him I wasn't interested
and after that he made it clear
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that he was giving me the cold shoulder.
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Things got quite hostile
on his part, actually.
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He started ignoring me
in meetings and so on.
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He made it really difficult.
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So, when you told this court...
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that Mr. Costley was "just Mark"
in both November of last year,
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when Yvonne Carmichael sought his advice
after her rape by George Selway,
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and in the days immediately
preceding the killing of George Selway,
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did his "normal" pattern
of behavior include
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the sexual advances towards you and
his "difficult" professional behavior?
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I just meant the day-to-day.
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It was nothing I couldn't handle.
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Is being felt up by a colleague in the pub
"normal" as far as you're concerned?
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No! Of course it's not.
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No further questions
for this witness, My Lord.
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[Yvonne's barrister]
No questions, My Lord.
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[judge] Thank you, Sgt. Johns.
You may step down.
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[Yvonne] Poor Sergeant Johns.
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Two weeks after I told youwhat George Selway did to me,
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you were in that pub with her.
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That's how much I mean to you.
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Dr. Sanderson, can you tell
the jury what you do?
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I'm a consultant forensic psychiatrist,
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and I've been practicing as such
for the last 23 years.
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You conducted an assessment
of Mark Costley while he was on remand.
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-Is that correct?
-That's correct.
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Having examined Mark Costley,
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do you assess him as suffering
from a personality disorder?
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-I do not.
-Why is that?
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An individual with a personality disorder
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would not hold down a stable marriage,
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let alone a career in the civil service.
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And during my assessment,
Mr. Costley displayed
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none of the signs or symptoms
of a personality disorder.
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-What are those?
-Emotional instability,
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lack of individual identity,
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pattern of run-ins with the law,
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suicidal behaviors,
addictions of various kinds.
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In my expert opinion,
he has difficulty telling the truth,
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but the pursuit of extramarital sex
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and a tendency to embroider the facts
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do not mean
that he is mentally unwell.
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Otherwise, half the men
in the country would be seeking treatment.
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Coming now to...
previous offences on file?
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Yes. In 2005, Mark Costley pleaded guilty
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to the charge of assault
occasioning actual bodily harm.
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Thank you,
Detective Inspector Cleveland.
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That concludes the case
for the Crown, My Lord.
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[Yvonne] I don't know youat all, do I?
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I never did, and you areall that's standing between me
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and a prison sentence.
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[Gary] I'm sorry I wasn't therethis afternoon.
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I took Carrie in for a check-up.
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-Everything's okay, isn't it?
-Yes, yeah.
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-You would tell me if it wasn't?
-Absolutely fine.
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Of course! The baby's
just not ready to come out yet.
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All okay this afternoon?
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Yeah. Smoke and mirrors, you know.
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You know I love you.
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Stay strong, hmm?I'll see you tomorrow, love.
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Bye.
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[dial tone]
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Good morning, Dr. Carmichael.
We're getting there.
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Even Ms. Bonnard shouldn't be
able to spin her case out
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-beyond the end of today.
-Really?
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Mr. Costley won't be in the box,
as they're pleading diminished.
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So, uh, yeah.
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The assault that the prosecution
mentioned yesterday.
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Do you know the details?
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He attacked a man
outside a restaurant
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who was chatting up his wife,
I believe, broke his jaw.
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The jury doesn't know that.
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It won't have improved
their opinion of him, though,
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hearing he has a conviction.
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Hopefully, the defense psychiatrist
Ms. Bonnard is calling
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will convince the jury that
Mr. Costley is mad, rather than bad.
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Not that we're relying
on his defense, you understand.
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But it would help our case,
wouldn't it?
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Diminished responsibility. Manslaughter.
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It would help, certainly.
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[woman]
When I examined Mark Costley,
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he displayed very highly
developed coping mechanisms,
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considering the situation he was in,
the stress he was under.
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"Coping".
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Isn't that the sign of someone
who's psychologically healthy,
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-Dr. Sadiq?
-Not necessarily.
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Very intelligent people
with good support systems?
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They can be what you could call
high-functioning patients.
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Their coping, in fact,
masks more deep-seated symptoms.
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Could you tell us, Dr. Sadiq,
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how a personality disorder might
be displayed in a patient...
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[voices fade]
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What did you think of me
the first time you saw me?
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Oh.
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I thought, "I would." [chuckles]
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-Well, you did.
-I did!
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-Yeah.
-[laughing]
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So, was it just that, seriously,
like, "I would"?
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No, I just thought... you seemed
to know what you were doing.
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No, not like that.
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Well, yes, like that.
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But you seemed...
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Right.
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Sound.
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Sound?
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[Dr. Sadiq]
...In Mr. Costley's case,
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he dissociates,
he detaches from real life
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and creates his own
self-sustaining narrative.
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Forgive me, Doctor, would you mind
putting that in layperson's terms?
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Sorry. Patients like Mr. Costley,
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they make themselves the hero
of their own story.
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Almost like they're in a film or a book,
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and they're watching themselves
as the main character.
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And to other people,
this tendency to make up stories,
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could it make the sufferer seem
merely a bit of a fantasist?
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It could look like that
on the outside, yes.
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But would represent an abnormality
of mental functioning, is that correct?
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That is correct.
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What happens, Dr. Sadiq,
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when someone suffering
from this type of disorder
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is put in an unusually
stressful situation?
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Well, if their sense of safety
is challenged
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by the loss of their stable environment,
they decompensate.
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"Decompensate",
what does that mean?
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Act oddly, if you like.
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Disturbed behavior, violent
or self-destructive tendencies.
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Violent, you say?
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Yes. They might lash out,
lose control completely.
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And in an altercation
such as we can assume took place
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between George Selway
and Mark Costley--
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-Objection.
-Ms. Bonnard!
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My Lord.
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To be clear, Dr. Sadiq,
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in a personality disordered individual
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such as the type you're describing,
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could an argument or a physical threat
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substantially impair their ability
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to keep a grip on what
a reasonable response might be?
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I think so, yes.
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Right, so their abnormality
of mental functioning
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would, in this situation,
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affect their ability
to exercise self-control?
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-Yes, it would.
-Returning to Mark Costley.
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During your examination of him,
what conclusions did you draw?
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I was struck by
his almost inappropriate ability
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to manage this
very stressful situation he was in.
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As though he'd found
a different story to tell himself.
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Added to the nature of the crime
he's admitted to,
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his history of risky sexual encounters,
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even his attraction to the secret service,
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in my opinion, Mark Costley
fits the profile of someone
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with a high-functioning
personality disorder.
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Thank you.
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[Yvonne's barrister]
No questions for the witness, My Lord.
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Dr. Sadiq, this theory of yours,
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about so-called high-functioning
personality disorders,
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am I correct in saying it formed
the basis of your PhD thesis
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-at Kingston University?
-Yes, that's right.
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So, would it be fair to say
it's your pet theory?
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It's certainly a theory
I've done a great deal of work on.
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It explains a lot, in my opinion.
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Indeed, but isn't it the case
that your theory is countered
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by the recognized diagnostic
categorization systems
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-used in psychiatry?
-I wouldn't say countered.
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For instance,
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in the Biannual Study Papers
of Mental Disorders, volume 24,
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dated March 2013, there is a specific
refutation of your theory...
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in an article by Dr. Michael Sedora,
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an expert in borderline
personality disorders
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of some 22 years' standing.
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It's page 72, My Lord, footnote five.
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"See Sadiq, Kingston,
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High Functioning Personality Disorder
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and the Disguise ofPathological Trait Domains.
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That is the name
of your PhD thesis, Dr. Sadiq?
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Dr. Sadiq?
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Yes, that's right.
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"I find no clinical evidence
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that the so-called
high-functioning individual
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is able to disguise traits
such as compulsivity or antagonism
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from family members
or medical professionals."
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They're missing
the fundamental point of my thesis,
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which is that personality is not
a binary concept but a spectrum.
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"I discount entirely the existence
of a high-functioning category
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separate from the definition
of personality disorders."
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There's a group of individuals
like Mr. Costley
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who have significant personality
pathology which may fall short
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-of the current diagnosis--
-"Fall short".
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Indeed.
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No further questions, My Lord.
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[Yvonne] Mad or bad?
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Right now, the jury thinksyou're as sane as I am.
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They think you're a murderer.
295
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[mouths]
296
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Yeah, okay. I'll come down.
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They were a bit worried
because her waters had broken
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and nothing was happening,
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so they induced her and it was
all fast and furious after that.
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You did tell Carrie that
they wouldn't let me call the hospital?
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I'll give her all your love.
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And Sathnam. She, she knows
you're thinking about her, love.
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Oh, God. I really wish
I could have been there.
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I know.
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Oh, bloody hell.
306
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Oh, aye. Come on now, hmm?
307
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Home straight. Just remember
everything Robert's told you
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about making a good impression,
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and we'll get home
and see that baby, yeah?
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Yeah.
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What are they gonna call him?
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I don't think they've decided yet.
I'm keen on Gary Junior.
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[chuckles]
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Von, I want to be there tomorrow.
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-When you're questioned.
-But we agreed.
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Yeah. It's important, though.
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I've been thinking
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and I'm so sorry
about all the shite over Rosa.
319
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No more secrets.
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That's how all this happened
in the first place, and I just...
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I just wish you'd been able
to trust me with it.
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Okay.
323
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[Yvonne] What about me?
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What did you think
the first time you saw me?
325
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You were just so...
so comfortable in your own world.
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In that committee room.
Just owning it.
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I loved that.
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Can you give us some idea
of the kind of work involved
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in appearing at
a House of Commons Select Committee?
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Well, it doesn't really involve
any extra work,
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apart from turning up.
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You're called to answer
questions that cover your field.
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[Robert] Your field being...
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[Yvonne] The human genome
and genetic engineering.
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[Robert] Hmm. And it was
at the last of these occasions
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that you met Mark Costley?
337
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That's correct.
338
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-Can you tell me your impressions of him?
-Um...
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He was pleasant...
340
00:20:19,861 --> 00:20:22,261
uh, knowledgeable, I liked him.
341
00:20:23,541 --> 00:20:27,981
He gave me a guided tour
of the Great Hall of Westminster.
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The Crypt Chapel.
We met for coffee a few times.
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-Did you meet purely as friends?
-Yes.
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His niece was considering
a career in science
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and my own daughter's a scientist.
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So we talked about that
and I gave him some advice.
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Dr. Carmichael, we now have to discuss
the events that led,
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indirectly, to you being here,
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in a position you never would
have imagined yourself to be in.
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[inaudible]
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It didn't seem real.
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Although it was...
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the most, most shocking thing
that's ever happened to me.
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When it was over, he acted
as if it was completely normal.
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And I got in the cab with him
because...
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I didn't know what else to do.
357
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[Robert] Some people will find
it hard to understand
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why you didn't even tell your husband
about this horrific, vicious attack.
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I would have found it hard
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before it happened to me,
to understand, I mean.
361
00:22:06,461 --> 00:22:08,021
But it seemed so clear.
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I didn't want what he did...
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in my life, in my home.
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I didn't want to be
sitting in my kitchen,
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having a meal with my husband
and wonder...
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two years later,
five years later, whatever.
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[sighs] Wonder if
he was thinking about it, or...
368
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for him to raise it or talk about it
when I wasn't ready.
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I wasn't ready.
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00:23:00,221 --> 00:23:02,021
[sobbing]
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George Selway treated me
as a collection of holes
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and...
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at least, by not telling Gary,
I had control over that one thing.
374
00:23:27,701 --> 00:23:31,861
What was your intention when
you went to see Mark Costley
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to ask his advice
about George Selway?
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00:23:34,741 --> 00:23:36,901
I just wanted it to stop.
377
00:23:37,741 --> 00:23:41,621
Emailing me, texting, following me.
378
00:23:43,501 --> 00:23:48,901
When George turned up near my house,
I was just so frightened.
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00:23:51,181 --> 00:23:57,661
To be clear, did you wish
George Selway physical harm?
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00:23:57,741 --> 00:23:59,421
No.
381
00:23:59,501 --> 00:24:02,421
Did you encourage
or urge Mr. Mark Costley
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00:24:02,501 --> 00:24:05,061
-to kill George Selway?
-No!
383
00:24:06,541 --> 00:24:08,421
While you were waiting in the car,
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00:24:08,981 --> 00:24:12,861
were you aware of what was
taking place in George Selway's flat?
385
00:24:14,581 --> 00:24:16,061
No.
386
00:24:17,061 --> 00:24:20,381
[judge] I suggest, given the very obvious
distress of the witness,
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we'll adjourn for a short break.
388
00:24:42,821 --> 00:24:45,861
[Bonnard] Dr. Carmichael,I have no wish to distress you.
389
00:24:46,861 --> 00:24:49,821
But could I ask you a few more
questions about the night
390
00:24:49,901 --> 00:24:53,701
you claim you were attacked
by the victim in this case?
391
00:24:54,341 --> 00:24:56,221
Of course.
392
00:24:56,541 --> 00:24:58,821
Earlier on that day,
the day of the party,
393
00:24:58,901 --> 00:25:01,981
-you were working at home?
-Yes, that's right.
394
00:25:02,061 --> 00:25:04,621
Then you got into your party dress
395
00:25:04,701 --> 00:25:07,221
and took the Tube into town,
is that correct?
396
00:25:07,301 --> 00:25:08,541
That's correct.
397
00:25:11,021 --> 00:25:14,861
You've said you were
at the party with Mr. Selway
398
00:25:14,941 --> 00:25:18,141
for some hours, drinking with him,
before you went with him
399
00:25:18,221 --> 00:25:20,781
up to his secluded office
on the fifth floor,
400
00:25:20,981 --> 00:25:24,421
an area you knew would be empty
at that time of night?
401
00:25:24,501 --> 00:25:27,341
He mentioned something about
getting papers from his office.
402
00:25:27,421 --> 00:25:29,061
Yes. Just to establish,
403
00:25:29,141 --> 00:25:32,301
when you were drinking
and smoking with Mr. Selway,
404
00:25:32,381 --> 00:25:35,421
you were for a time
seated together outside
405
00:25:35,501 --> 00:25:37,301
in a small courtyard
in the middle of the building?
406
00:25:37,381 --> 00:25:39,341
Yes. I wasn't smoking.
407
00:25:40,581 --> 00:25:42,701
You were keeping him company, then.
408
00:25:44,061 --> 00:25:46,701
When you were seated
together outside,
409
00:25:46,781 --> 00:25:50,701
can you recall placing your hand
on Mr. Selway's knee?
410
00:25:51,021 --> 00:25:52,461
No, I can't.
411
00:25:52,541 --> 00:25:54,341
Can you recall him placing
his hand on your knee?
412
00:25:56,661 --> 00:25:58,221
He may have done.
413
00:25:59,101 --> 00:26:03,501
Yes, I think he did.
Just on my knee, to steady himself.
414
00:26:05,261 --> 00:26:10,461
Uh... we were all laughing,
in a group,
415
00:26:10,541 --> 00:26:13,301
it wasn't just the two of us, and...
416
00:26:13,381 --> 00:26:15,661
I was a bit unsteady
and so was he and...
417
00:26:17,781 --> 00:26:20,501
I put my hand on his knee,
just to steady myself.
418
00:26:20,581 --> 00:26:22,381
So you put your hand on his knee?
419
00:26:25,861 --> 00:26:29,501
Or he did on mine,
he was filling up my glass.
420
00:26:29,581 --> 00:26:31,221
It could have been both.
421
00:26:32,821 --> 00:26:36,821
-You were flirting, weren't you?
-No, I wouldn't say that.
422
00:26:36,901 --> 00:26:40,621
We were talking, joking,
in a group of people.
423
00:26:40,701 --> 00:26:42,901
Let's not get into a detailed discussion
424
00:26:42,981 --> 00:26:45,821
on the definition of flirting,
Dr. Carmichael.
425
00:26:46,141 --> 00:26:50,101
Did you or did you not tell
George Selway you were promiscuous?
426
00:26:50,181 --> 00:26:51,701
No! Absolutely not!
427
00:26:51,781 --> 00:26:55,381
If anybody thinks they heard me
say that, they're mistaken.
428
00:26:55,461 --> 00:26:57,621
Or drunk. There was a lot
of drinking going on that night.
429
00:26:57,701 --> 00:26:59,541
I'm not talking about the party.
430
00:26:59,621 --> 00:27:02,421
Do you remember when you spent
two days with George Selway,
431
00:27:02,501 --> 00:27:04,341
a month or so before he was killed?
432
00:27:04,421 --> 00:27:07,021
When we interviewed
for the junior research fellowship?
433
00:27:07,101 --> 00:27:08,581
-Of course I remember.
-Good.
434
00:27:08,661 --> 00:27:11,381
Then you might also remember
telling George Selway
435
00:27:11,461 --> 00:27:15,301
in front of a roomful of people
you were promiscuous.
436
00:27:17,261 --> 00:27:19,781
No. Absolutely not.
437
00:27:19,861 --> 00:27:22,461
-I said no such thing.
-Really?
438
00:27:22,541 --> 00:27:26,821
Did you or did you not describe
yourself as "really easy"?
439
00:27:29,501 --> 00:27:32,021
-That's ridiculous!
-So, you do remember?
440
00:27:32,101 --> 00:27:35,261
"I like to pretend I'm classy,
but I'm really easy."
441
00:27:35,341 --> 00:27:37,581
I was talking about the coffee machine!
442
00:27:37,661 --> 00:27:39,221
He'd bought us some coffees.
443
00:27:39,301 --> 00:27:41,541
I'm not asking you for
the context of the comment,
444
00:27:41,621 --> 00:27:44,741
I'm sure you were bantering away
on all manner of subjects.
445
00:27:44,821 --> 00:27:46,821
Just please answer the question.
"Really easy."
446
00:27:46,901 --> 00:27:49,461
-Did you use that exact phrase?
-That is ludicrous!
447
00:27:49,541 --> 00:27:51,341
You can take
anything out of context--
448
00:27:51,421 --> 00:27:53,261
-Yes, or no?
-You are trying to create
449
00:27:53,341 --> 00:27:55,461
a false impression of the kind
of relationship that we had.
450
00:27:55,541 --> 00:27:58,461
-Yes, or no?
-Not in the way that you mean!
451
00:28:08,821 --> 00:28:10,341
[Yvonne] This is why!
452
00:28:11,821 --> 00:28:15,221
This is why I didn't want to bring this
to court in the first place! [sniffs]
453
00:28:23,341 --> 00:28:26,061
It's not the only reason, is it,
Dr. Carmichael?
454
00:28:32,741 --> 00:28:36,421
Why didn't you report the alleged rape
by George Selway?
455
00:28:37,421 --> 00:28:40,261
Often, these cases
are conducted as if...
456
00:28:40,581 --> 00:28:42,421
the victim has committed a crime.
457
00:28:44,341 --> 00:28:47,261
-I felt I'd been through enough.
-Well, this isn't a rape trial.
458
00:28:47,341 --> 00:28:50,741
And you have been charged with a crime,
the most serious crime there is.
459
00:28:50,821 --> 00:28:52,861
Now, forgive me,
you said it was eight years
460
00:28:52,941 --> 00:28:55,341
you worked
for the Beaufort Institute?
461
00:28:55,421 --> 00:28:58,661
Um... full time, yes.
462
00:28:58,741 --> 00:29:02,261
-And more recently part time.
-Of course.
463
00:29:02,341 --> 00:29:05,461
And during those eight years,
you commuted every day?
464
00:29:05,541 --> 00:29:07,861
Tube to St. James's and then a walk?
465
00:29:09,101 --> 00:29:10,141
Yes.
466
00:29:10,941 --> 00:29:15,701
And lunch hours, coffee breaks.
Plenty of places to eat around there.
467
00:29:15,781 --> 00:29:17,941
-My Lord, really!
-[Bonnard] Forgive me, my Lord.
468
00:29:18,021 --> 00:29:21,181
-I'm getting there.
-Then do, please, Ms. Bonnard.
469
00:29:21,261 --> 00:29:22,581
[clears throat]
470
00:29:22,901 --> 00:29:25,261
Dr. Carmichael,
in your professional capacity
471
00:29:25,341 --> 00:29:27,301
you have been working in or visiting
472
00:29:27,381 --> 00:29:30,941
the Borough of Westminster for,
what, around 12 years, longer?
473
00:29:31,021 --> 00:29:33,781
Um, longer, probably.
474
00:29:33,861 --> 00:29:38,061
So, it's fair to say you are
very familiar with the area?
475
00:29:38,141 --> 00:29:42,261
What with all the commuting
and lunch hours, walking and so on?
476
00:29:43,581 --> 00:29:45,981
It... Yes.
477
00:29:47,981 --> 00:29:49,741
You know it intimately...
478
00:29:51,741 --> 00:29:53,661
this little corner of St. James.
479
00:29:55,221 --> 00:29:58,341
The highways and byways,
480
00:29:58,421 --> 00:30:00,501
the shops and cafés...
481
00:30:05,141 --> 00:30:06,701
the side streets,
482
00:30:07,501 --> 00:30:09,021
the back alleyways?
483
00:30:20,181 --> 00:30:23,781
You're familiar, Dr. Carmichael,
484
00:30:23,861 --> 00:30:27,501
with a small alleyway
called Apple Tree Yard?
485
00:30:41,221 --> 00:30:46,821
Apple Tree Yard is the alleyway
in the Borough of Westminster
486
00:30:46,901 --> 00:30:51,381
where you had intercourse
with your lover, Mark Costley,
487
00:30:51,461 --> 00:30:53,861
in a public street,
quite quickly I imagine,
488
00:30:53,941 --> 00:30:56,621
during rush hour,
standing up in a doorway.
489
00:30:56,701 --> 00:30:59,301
Isn't that the case, Dr. Carmichael?
490
00:31:07,741 --> 00:31:09,221
It...
491
00:31:11,781 --> 00:31:13,821
It wasn't rush hour.
492
00:31:14,701 --> 00:31:17,381
[Bonnard] I apologize for
any inaccuracy as to timings,
493
00:31:17,461 --> 00:31:20,661
but you will forgive me
for doubting the credibility
494
00:31:20,741 --> 00:31:23,221
of any account you're willing
to give this court?
495
00:31:23,301 --> 00:31:26,341
You know,
are facing a charge of murder.
496
00:31:26,421 --> 00:31:29,421
Don't you think it's time
you started telling the truth?
497
00:31:29,501 --> 00:31:31,541
You've lied, haven't you?
498
00:31:32,701 --> 00:31:36,621
You have lied to your husband
and you've lied to the police
499
00:31:36,701 --> 00:31:39,581
and you have lied to this court,
well, haven't you?
500
00:31:49,221 --> 00:31:50,301
Yes.
501
00:31:53,661 --> 00:31:55,581
I beg your pardon?
502
00:31:57,501 --> 00:31:58,821
Yes.
503
00:32:06,221 --> 00:32:09,821
Did you ask my client
to kill George Selway?
504
00:32:10,421 --> 00:32:11,581
No.
505
00:32:11,661 --> 00:32:13,901
-Are you telling the truth?
-Yes.
506
00:32:13,981 --> 00:32:16,621
Did you tell him you were raped,
Dr. Carmichael?
507
00:32:16,701 --> 00:32:19,141
-I said... Yes.
-And were you raped?
508
00:32:19,221 --> 00:32:21,581
-Is that the truth?
-Yes! Yes! Yes!
509
00:32:46,701 --> 00:32:49,701
As you went to the party that night...
510
00:32:52,101 --> 00:32:55,381
after you had had sex with my client...
511
00:33:01,901 --> 00:33:04,061
were you wearing underwear?
512
00:33:25,501 --> 00:33:28,261
Please, at least tell me
that the sex was good.
513
00:33:33,061 --> 00:33:34,941
[chuckles]
514
00:33:38,061 --> 00:33:39,781
Why?
515
00:33:40,341 --> 00:33:42,341
Why with someone like that?
516
00:33:43,501 --> 00:33:46,261
He didn't seem
the way he sounds in court.
517
00:33:46,341 --> 00:33:49,261
He... He made me feel...
518
00:33:51,141 --> 00:33:54,061
Gary wants to talk to you so much.
519
00:33:54,141 --> 00:33:58,341
I can't. No, no.
It would just finish me off.
520
00:33:59,701 --> 00:34:01,221
But think about it.
521
00:34:02,221 --> 00:34:04,341
Isn't it going to do
more damage this way?
522
00:34:04,421 --> 00:34:05,701
Damage?
523
00:34:05,781 --> 00:34:07,381
Damage, Suze?
524
00:34:07,461 --> 00:34:09,821
The damage is done.
You saw the jury's faces.
525
00:34:09,901 --> 00:34:12,101
-I'm going to prison.
-You don't know that.
526
00:34:12,181 --> 00:34:14,421
-Yes, I do.
-The trial isn't over yet.
527
00:34:14,501 --> 00:34:16,621
Yes, it is. It is. It is for me.
528
00:34:20,341 --> 00:34:22,181
You know, the one thing
that Gary's always said
529
00:34:22,261 --> 00:34:25,301
that he couldn't bear is humiliation.
530
00:34:25,941 --> 00:34:29,661
If you were having this thing
with Mark Costley,
531
00:34:29,741 --> 00:34:34,901
then surely...
your marriage was over anyway.
532
00:34:34,981 --> 00:34:37,741
Do you really think
that it's that cut and dried?
533
00:34:37,821 --> 00:34:40,381
God, Suze! I'd expect that
from Carrie, but you of--
534
00:34:40,461 --> 00:34:42,941
-I am trying to understand.
-You should know
535
00:34:43,021 --> 00:34:46,341
that a marriage is not
what it seems from the outside.
536
00:34:46,621 --> 00:34:49,821
What Jay? Well, Jay's a bit
different from Gary.
537
00:34:49,901 --> 00:34:52,381
You've always held Gary up
as some kind of shining star.
538
00:34:52,461 --> 00:34:54,341
Because he is a good man!
539
00:35:02,941 --> 00:35:04,101
Yes, he is.
540
00:35:11,461 --> 00:35:13,421
When I started my degree...
541
00:35:15,021 --> 00:35:17,901
I was going to dedicate
my life to science.
542
00:35:20,061 --> 00:35:21,341
And then...
543
00:35:22,421 --> 00:35:26,341
my first week of the first term,
there he was.
544
00:35:27,301 --> 00:35:28,981
So specific.
545
00:35:30,381 --> 00:35:36,541
There in the lab being
so bloody certain about everything.
546
00:35:38,821 --> 00:35:40,541
With his shirt tucked in
547
00:35:41,901 --> 00:35:44,061
and his thousand-yard stare.
548
00:35:46,741 --> 00:35:48,421
Thirty years, nearly.
549
00:35:51,341 --> 00:35:53,901
Don't you think that's worth fighting for?
550
00:35:57,901 --> 00:35:59,021
[door slams]
551
00:36:05,621 --> 00:36:07,541
[door slams, locks]
552
00:36:36,541 --> 00:36:38,101
[prosecutor] Ladies and gentlemen,
553
00:36:38,181 --> 00:36:40,661
the dramatic revelations
of the last days have served
554
00:36:40,741 --> 00:36:43,181
only to strengthen
the prosecution's case
555
00:36:43,501 --> 00:36:45,941
that it is beyond reasonable doubt
556
00:36:46,021 --> 00:36:48,141
that Mark Costley and Yvonne Carmichael
557
00:36:48,221 --> 00:36:51,141
are both guilty of the murder
of George Selway.
558
00:36:51,221 --> 00:36:54,701
Whose idea was it to drive
to Selway's flat that day?
559
00:36:55,861 --> 00:36:59,261
Yvonne Carmichael
has admitted it was her idea.
560
00:36:59,901 --> 00:37:04,621
Tragically, Mr. Costley's already
marked tendencies as a fantasist
561
00:37:04,701 --> 00:37:07,901
and his inability to tell
the difference between reality
562
00:37:07,981 --> 00:37:10,141
and a story of his own invention
563
00:37:10,221 --> 00:37:13,461
found its flashpoint
at that unbearable moment
564
00:37:13,541 --> 00:37:17,701
when he confronted the man
he believed to have raped his lover.
565
00:37:18,141 --> 00:37:23,341
Yvonne Carmichael had suffered
a brutal and degrading rape
566
00:37:23,421 --> 00:37:25,221
at the hands of George Selway.
567
00:37:25,301 --> 00:37:28,661
Who then added to this
quite devastating trauma
568
00:37:28,741 --> 00:37:30,541
by stalking her.
569
00:37:31,261 --> 00:37:33,181
She just wanted it to stop.
570
00:37:33,781 --> 00:37:36,261
There is no evidence
that she wanted him dead.
571
00:37:36,341 --> 00:37:39,021
There's no evidence
that she asked for it.
572
00:37:39,101 --> 00:37:41,341
Mark Costley
was in his own world
573
00:37:41,421 --> 00:37:45,621
when he entered George Selway's flat,
on a mission of his own making.
574
00:37:47,141 --> 00:37:48,861
It comes down to this.
575
00:37:48,941 --> 00:37:52,821
Does having an affair with
Mark Costley, keeping it secret,
576
00:37:52,901 --> 00:37:56,141
make Dr. Carmichael a murderer?
577
00:37:57,101 --> 00:38:01,781
Not "does it make her unsavory,
inappropriate?"
578
00:38:01,861 --> 00:38:04,381
Your private judgement
is your own concern.
579
00:38:06,261 --> 00:38:09,341
Does it make her a murderer?
580
00:38:16,221 --> 00:38:17,381
[door unlocks]
581
00:38:18,821 --> 00:38:20,421
It's time.
582
00:38:24,781 --> 00:38:26,381
[buzzer sounds]
583
00:38:32,981 --> 00:38:35,381
[Yvonne] Courts aren't about the truth.
584
00:38:35,461 --> 00:38:38,101
They're about who tells the best story.
585
00:38:42,861 --> 00:38:46,661
You know all about that.You're the expert.
586
00:38:54,941 --> 00:38:57,381
You caught me so easily.
587
00:38:57,461 --> 00:39:02,661
But then, I think now,I was waiting to be caught.
588
00:39:18,181 --> 00:39:20,181
[door opens]
589
00:39:28,781 --> 00:39:30,461
[clerk] Madam foreperson,
590
00:39:30,541 --> 00:39:34,141
has the jury reached verdicts
upon which you are all agreed?
591
00:39:34,221 --> 00:39:35,781
Yes.
592
00:39:36,621 --> 00:39:39,101
[clerk] Would the defendants
please stand?
593
00:39:45,301 --> 00:39:48,541
Do you find the defendant
Mark Liam Costley
594
00:39:48,621 --> 00:39:52,941
guilty or not guilty
of the murder of George Selway?
595
00:39:53,941 --> 00:39:56,901
We find the defendant not guilty.
596
00:40:01,581 --> 00:40:04,341
[clerk] Do you find
the defendant Yvonne Carmichael
597
00:40:04,421 --> 00:40:08,701
guilty or not guilty
of the murder of George Selway?
598
00:40:10,821 --> 00:40:12,621
[foreperson] Not guilty.
599
00:40:15,301 --> 00:40:17,621
[clerk] Upon count two
of this indictment,
600
00:40:17,701 --> 00:40:20,861
do you find the defendant
Mark Liam Costley
601
00:40:20,941 --> 00:40:24,141
guilty or not guilty of manslaughter?
602
00:40:25,461 --> 00:40:26,741
Guilty.
603
00:40:32,861 --> 00:40:35,621
[clerk] Do you find
the defendant Yvonne Carmichael
604
00:40:35,701 --> 00:40:38,461
guilty or not guilty of manslaughter?
605
00:40:40,421 --> 00:40:42,781
We find the defendant...
606
00:40:49,261 --> 00:40:51,101
-not guilty.
-[Suze sobs]
607
00:40:53,141 --> 00:40:55,101
[murmuring]
608
00:40:57,461 --> 00:40:59,181
[Jas] Congratulations. Well done.
609
00:41:25,821 --> 00:41:27,221
[buzzer sounds]
610
00:41:40,221 --> 00:41:41,781
Thank you.
611
00:42:39,981 --> 00:42:42,701
[birdsong]
612
00:42:48,021 --> 00:42:49,741
[Yvonne] Dear X.
613
00:42:50,701 --> 00:42:52,181
Dear Mark.
614
00:42:53,901 --> 00:42:57,141
With good behavior and the all-clearfrom your psychiatrist,
615
00:42:57,221 --> 00:42:59,341
you'll be free in five years.
616
00:43:04,821 --> 00:43:06,661
They found me guilty of perjury.
617
00:43:07,341 --> 00:43:09,021
Suspended sentence.
618
00:43:10,181 --> 00:43:13,061
Sounds about right, "suspended".
619
00:43:14,501 --> 00:43:16,381
Hanging above me,
620
00:43:16,461 --> 00:43:19,021
a sword that could fallon my neck at any time.
621
00:43:20,701 --> 00:43:22,101
And of course,
622
00:43:22,181 --> 00:43:24,861
my good behavior has to last a lifetime.
623
00:43:41,501 --> 00:43:44,221
When do you think Carrie
will be ready to see me?
624
00:43:45,821 --> 00:43:48,781
I think that's best discussed
between you and her, don't you?
625
00:43:49,741 --> 00:43:52,421
You can do no wrong in her eyes,
you know that.
626
00:43:53,501 --> 00:43:56,581
Yeah, well. We're all on
a learning curve, aren't we?
627
00:43:57,181 --> 00:43:58,621
Gary...
628
00:43:59,821 --> 00:44:01,741
does she know about you and Rosa?
629
00:44:03,101 --> 00:44:05,981
Nothing to tell any more, is there?
So, no point.
630
00:44:06,061 --> 00:44:09,141
Surely it's only fair that
she knows something about...
631
00:44:09,581 --> 00:44:12,141
what was going on with you, and us.
632
00:44:12,221 --> 00:44:14,261
You really want to go there, do you?
633
00:44:15,661 --> 00:44:18,141
Jesus Christ. Fairness?
634
00:44:18,941 --> 00:44:20,461
Transparency?
635
00:44:22,661 --> 00:44:25,141
There were so many opportunities
to tell me.
636
00:44:26,981 --> 00:44:28,461
The rape.
637
00:44:29,621 --> 00:44:31,101
Him.
638
00:44:34,901 --> 00:44:36,941
-I would have understood.
-I know you would.
639
00:44:37,021 --> 00:44:38,741
So why? Because you had to win?
640
00:44:38,821 --> 00:44:41,021
You had to be the best
at everything, even marriage?
641
00:44:41,101 --> 00:44:43,421
Could you just not bear the
thought of not having something
642
00:44:43,501 --> 00:44:45,421
to hold against me for once,
643
00:44:45,501 --> 00:44:47,941
that we both might have
fucked up, even-Stevens?
644
00:44:48,021 --> 00:44:50,301
-Is that what you think?
-Yes, that's what I think!
645
00:44:52,101 --> 00:44:57,301
I think you think I've been the bad one,
that's how it's worked.
646
00:45:17,861 --> 00:45:19,341
I'm sorry.
647
00:45:20,141 --> 00:45:21,541
I am.
648
00:45:23,581 --> 00:45:27,061
And I'll say it every day,
for as long as it takes.
649
00:45:50,941 --> 00:45:53,301
[drilling]
650
00:46:22,101 --> 00:46:24,381
Thank you for agreeing to see me.
651
00:46:32,061 --> 00:46:34,861
Yvonne, in court...
652
00:46:35,501 --> 00:46:39,621
when I... I told my barrister about us...
653
00:46:40,941 --> 00:46:43,901
she just twisted everything.
654
00:46:44,621 --> 00:46:46,341
I'm so sorry.
655
00:46:50,221 --> 00:46:52,021
I think I understand.
656
00:46:53,541 --> 00:46:55,141
You panicked.
657
00:46:57,581 --> 00:47:00,221
Is that what happened with George?
658
00:47:02,421 --> 00:47:04,061
I know you didn't mean to kill him.
659
00:47:04,141 --> 00:47:08,901
I just wanted to teach him
a lesson, for you.
660
00:47:10,221 --> 00:47:12,421
I wanted you to feel safe.
661
00:47:21,941 --> 00:47:23,541
I lied to you.
662
00:47:30,661 --> 00:47:32,101
Brilliant geneticist,
663
00:47:32,181 --> 00:47:35,021
one of the country's
leading scientists I'm not.
664
00:47:36,101 --> 00:47:40,221
I haven't produced
an original piece of work for years.
665
00:47:42,341 --> 00:47:44,661
I was never anybody important.
666
00:47:49,101 --> 00:47:51,581
You made me feel important.
667
00:47:55,341 --> 00:47:57,981
I don't know
what you want me to say.
668
00:47:59,301 --> 00:48:00,941
I'm sorry.
669
00:48:03,861 --> 00:48:05,461
Mark?
670
00:48:07,981 --> 00:48:09,181
[sighs]
671
00:48:11,101 --> 00:48:12,741
The feelings?
672
00:48:14,981 --> 00:48:19,781
They were real. Mine were, at least.
673
00:48:19,861 --> 00:48:21,861
And mine, too.
674
00:48:23,941 --> 00:48:26,221
That's why I told her about us.
675
00:48:26,421 --> 00:48:28,821
Because how else would anyone know?
676
00:48:31,501 --> 00:48:33,421
How would they know?
677
00:48:36,301 --> 00:48:38,981
That it had been real?
678
00:48:46,741 --> 00:48:48,941
It was just everything else that wasn't.
679
00:49:03,301 --> 00:49:05,661
[Yvonne] If relationships are stories...
680
00:49:07,301 --> 00:49:09,581
there is no happy ending for ours.
681
00:49:11,021 --> 00:49:14,781
But life, as they say, goes on.
682
00:49:28,701 --> 00:49:30,381
[baby gurgling]
683
00:49:55,301 --> 00:49:57,101
[Mark] Yvonne.
684
00:50:03,101 --> 00:50:05,381
[whispers] What you said to me
in the flat.
685
00:50:07,661 --> 00:50:09,421
The safe house.
686
00:50:10,741 --> 00:50:12,421
I never told them.
687
00:50:16,101 --> 00:50:17,661
I didn't.
688
00:50:25,861 --> 00:50:27,941
[Mark] So, what do you want?
689
00:50:30,341 --> 00:50:32,261
[Yvonne] I want you to kill him.
690
00:50:32,341 --> 00:50:34,581
[both laugh]
691
00:50:36,821 --> 00:50:39,381
I want you to smash his fucking face in.
692
00:50:52,821 --> 00:50:55,541
People can say anything.
693
00:51:03,621 --> 00:51:06,501
You really can't tell
the difference, can you?
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