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I'm driving on airport property now and have been for a while,

and you can just see how expansive and how much coverage

there is all around.

So, was it possibly built for some other reason?

That's what we're here to find out.

If you believe powerful people are engineering disasters,

floods, fires, and even the climate itself,

the next question is obvious.

Where would they go to remaining control

when everything falls apart?

Let's face it.

There are so many government conspiracies, it can be hard to

tell what's real and what's not.

My name is Andrew Bustamante, and I am a former

covert CIA intelligence officer.

And I'm going to pressure test the most sensational,

ripped-from-the-headlines conspiracy theories out there

to help you separate fact from fiction.

It's calm now, but could you imagine this river growing

25 feet, two stories tall, in 45 minutes?

That's exactly what happened in Kerr County, Texas

in July of 2025.

Multiple flash flood evacuations this 4th of July.

Come back further.

All of this happened during a storm

that nobody anticipated overnight.

More than 16 inches of rain

slammed into the Texas hill country that night.

The National Weather Service called it catastrophic.

By the time it was over, 135 people were dead.

While the state of Texas and the local community

searched for answers, a parallel narrative snowballed.

The government keeps doing this nonsense over

and over again.

Before the floodwaters receded, videos and posts

circulated online claiming that the flood was engineered,

just the latest incident in a worldwide conspiracy

alleging that a cabal of elites that control everything

from banking to global politics

were also manipulating the planet's most powerful force...

the weather.

There is an entire atmospheric terraforming

geoengineering manipulation.

Right where the floods occur

is where the rain enhancement projects are taking place.

Does the government just flat-out--

do they have the ability to manipulate the weather?

Yes, and yes.

From hurricanes to floods to wildfires--

after every major natural disaster,

the weather modification conspiracy theory

consistently explodes online.

This is what weather warfare looks like.

But this theory hinges on two huge questions.

What would be the elite's motive to control the weather?

And more importantly, does the technology actually

exist to create disasters on this scale?

On this episode,

I'm going to investigate everything from

means to motive, starting with the latest generation of

cloud seeding technology from a startup that was initially

accused of causing the Texas flood...

You can see how that would scare somebody.

...investigating the white streaks we all see

crisscrossing the sky every day.

The sky itself is almost a crime scene.

I'll then pressure test the theory that lasers are

igniting devastating wildfires across the country.

There really is strange movement of the fires themselves.

I'll also take an exclusive tour

under Denver International Airport to examine the theory

that the super rich are preparing secret bunkers

for a global cataclysm.

My goal?

Find the truth behind weather control.

Is it science, myth, or are we at the dawn of

a worldwide catastrophe?

It's the middle of winter.

I'm deep in the Rocky Mountains, about 100 miles west

of Denver, and I am shocked at

how little snow there is out here.

This is my home.

I ski about 60 miles from here, and there is almost

no snow on the ground.

There's no doubt that weather extremes exist,

but does the power to manipulate the weather to

those extremes really exist?

My first step towards answering that question, I'm not just

meeting with anybody-- I'm meeting with

Augustus Dorico, the CEO of Rainmaker Technology,

a company at the forefront of cloud seeding technology,

and that faced initial blame

for the Guadalupe River disaster.

People online have accused both me and Rainmaker of having

caused the floods.

There have been threats leveled against us, but I'm grateful to

be on here tonight just to set the record straight

and to clarify what cloud seeding can do.

- Augustus! - Pleasure to meet you, Andy.

- It's a pleasure to meet you. - Thanks for coming out.

I'm actually really surprised to see how low the snow is

out here this time of year.

That's exactly why we're cloud seeding,

because if you look around, there's a historic lack of snow.

There's, right over here, a burn scar from wildfire

because there hasn't been enough water in the state.

And so what I'm about to show you is one of the ways that

we're trying to bring more water to Colorado

and to the rest of the Rockies.

Let me show you what we got going on up here

in the mountains. - Yeah, please do.

I'm not here for a simple company demo.

I'm here to understand if what Augustus is doing has

the potential to tip a storm from harmless to deadly.

One way that we make more snow

with cloud seeding is with machines like this.

- Ground generator. - This isn't what I was expecting it to look like.

This ground generator aerosolizes silver iodide,

which then is ejected out of that cylinder up top and is

lofted into the clouds, which then freezes small liquid

drops into big enough snowflakes so that they fall.

So what you're saying is it doesn't really have to create

a cloud on its own, it just has to create sort of

a chain reaction in an existing cloud... - Mm-hmm.

...that magnifies the amount of snow the cloud would make?

Precisely. Yeah.

We haven't figured out how to make clouds yet,

but making existing clouds snow a bit more, we can do.

What is the contribution that you would estimate you make to

the snowpack each year?

A little over 30 billion gallons of water.

30 billion gallons of water over all programs?

Across all of our operations in the Western US.

You can see how that would scare somebody.

That's-- that's a flood. That's a monumental flood.

If it was 30 billion gallons all in one place over a week,

that could be a problem.

But it's actually less than a centimeter of snow

per each of our operations, and our operations go over

the course of the entire winter.

If you're making water to basically supply the Southwest,

why does cloud seeding attract so much conspiracy suspicion?

And why are there so many critics to cloud seeding?

Most of the time,

once people actually find out what cloud seeding is,

they're pretty on board and excited about it.

But most people don't know the difference between

cloud seeding and what they believe to be chemtrails.

And so it all gets lumped together.

Though the technology Rainmaker has developed may be

aimed toward helping people,

cloud seeding has had a darker chapter.

And ultimately, to control the weather,

and he who controls the weather will control the world.

At the height of the Vietnam War,

the United States launched Operation Popeye,

a classified program to seed

the clouds over the Ho Chi Minh Trail

with silver and lead iodide to increase rainfall

and disrupt Viet Cong supply lines.

This is not a rumor. It happened.

Operation Popeye was successful at extending the monsoon season

for months in targeted regions.

The weather wasn't necessarily weaponized, but it was what

we call a force multiplier, and it was perfectly deniable.

It worked so well that by the 1970s, the United Nations

had to put in place a ban on environmental modification for

military use-- but here's the thing,

if this was possible 60 years ago, how probable is it that

we can engineer storms and weaponize weather

with more scale and precision today?

Which brings us directly back to Augustus

and the Guadalupe flood.

What's to prove that that event wasn't in some way

tied to this technology?

So this is some of our post-op analysis.

If you look at those operations, we were working on

July 2nd, and we released 70 grams of silver iodide

100-plus miles from where the floods occurred.

I would be surprised if you could enhance it

more than 10%.

Based on the current capability?

Based on the current capability.

I'm not gonna lie, man, I see the upside,

but the downside seems significant also.

This could quickly be weaponized.

That makes me feel like the conspiracy theorists

out there may not be that far off-target

by pushing back against this technology.

Forget the geopolitical dynamics.

Without these kinds of innovations, we wouldn't live

in as abundant world.

And like, it's better that people have more

abundant lives, so-- - How old are you?

- I'm 25. - Have you been to battle?

- No. - Because I'm telling you right now, if I could choose this...

as a fighting tool, rather than...

American men and women, I would choose this 100% of the time.

So you might see the upside as being abundance for everyone.

But I promise you that the elected officials

that you put in office see it as much more than that. - Hm.

Technology has been applied for worse and for better.

But if you talk to the farmers that we work with, if you talk

to the ski resorts that are dependent on us, if you talk

to the conservationists, they know that they need

more water and they know that they need cloud seeding.

Augustus, this has been an incredible conversation.

- I've learned a ton. - Agreed.

Coming up, I investigate the chemtrail theory...

We're talking about a massive amount of people who would have

to be willingly poisoning everyone that

they know and love.

...claims that lasers are causing wildfires.

We're going to ignite this, and we're gonna burn it with

a high wind. - Let's light some fire.

2 The internet is full of claims that something or someone is

controlling the weather.

While you're busy keeping up with the headlines,

Arkansas is flooding.

Why is this wildfire in California shaped like

a laser beam cut it into the mountain?

Research HAARP, research chemtrails.

These claims may sound fantastical, but there are

dozens of weather modification programs going on all over

the world right now.

I'm looking at a website that has them listed worldwide,

including weather modification programs all across China

and parts of Asia, greenhouse gas removal in

Europe, solar radiation management in the Middle East.

By far the most common topic

in the geoengineering conspiracy theory

are chemtrails-- chemical trails left behind

commercial jetliners intended to modify the weather

for a multitude of reasons.

And in the past couple of years, the idea that chemtrails

are real has taken on a life of its own.

What are these lines in the sky that we have all seen?

They're sprayed particulate dispersion.

Tucker, they're being used as a form of warfare.

I want to know once and for all,

what is the truth behind chemtrails?

It's something we see in the skies above us

all the time.

The long white lines that aviation experts

call contrails, but conspiracy theorists

call chemtrails.

Perhaps the greatest lie ever perpetrated on populations all

over the world is the condensation trail lie.

Some believe that it's about poison being sprayed

into the atmosphere.

Barium salts are in chemtrails.

They are 10,000 times more

toxic to your nervous system than lead.

Still others say that the strange lines in the sky

are there to reflect the sunlight

and cool the earth.

You all want to know what that [bleep] was

that came down last night, yeah?

Get yourself a magnet, scrape it off your car,

and watch this.

It's [bleep] metal, bro. [bleep] metal.

Others believe chemtrails are actually full of

aerosolized metals.

They claim those metals are secretly activated by

invisible frequencies sent by antennas

hidden in cell phone towers

or a research facility in Alaska called HAARP.

The frequencies heat up the metals to supercharge

storms or even change their direction.

Tell me that HAARP can't steer storms.

This is the third hurricane in a row that was supposed to

whack the East Coast, that all of a sudden took a 90-degree

right-hand turn out into the middle of the ocean.

So what's really going on?

Is it even possible to keep

a conspiracy of this size under wraps?

And if so, who would have

the motive to weaponize the skies?

When I was at the Air Force Academy, I went through

flight training, so I know a lot about this topic.

But one thing we learn at CIA is to remain objective in case

there is something being overlooked.

When I think about the US government's top-secret

HAARP facility in Alaska?

The whole HAARP program-- they could create,

control, and steer or kill hurricanes.

It's actually not that top-secret.

There's no evidence it's blasting frequencies into

the atmosphere to control storms in North Carolina.

In reality, its antennae are used to study things like

how solar storms affect GPS in your car.

It's now a civilian-run research facility.

And if you make it up there,

you can take a tour for yourself.

I'm on my way to meet with an aviation engineer

who actually runs a flight school that trains

the same pilots that go on to fly

the large commercial jetliners

that many people believe are involved

in this chemtrail conspiracy.

I'm hoping that she'll be able to help me separate between

the facts and the fear.

Shelby.

- Hi, thanks for having me. - Hello-- yeah, nice to see you.

Nice to see you. This is a beautiful thing to walk into.

Oh, thank you.

Now, I'm trying to dig deeper into the conspiracies

surrounding chemtrails.

And chemtrails are a uniquely aviation-based conspiracy.

Right.

As somebody who's dedicated your life to the sky, what do

people misunderstand versus what do conspiracists believe

about how these machines work?

First of all, what is a contrail, right?

So anytime you have a combustion reaction,

you're always gonna get water vapor in

that combustion reaction.

And when you're up in the atmosphere where

it's negative-30-degrees, it's gonna immediately

freeze until ice crystals,

and that's what you're seeing with a contrail.

So when we say contrail, we're talking about

a condensation trail. - Yes.

- Yeah. - Water vapor that's released out the back of an engine.

It's just ice crystals.

And that's why sometimes, too, you'll see a plane flying

along and there's no trail.

And then all of a sudden you'll see one because it hits that

layer where it's the perfect conditions for that to form.

But what many conspiracy theories focus on is something

called a chemical trail. - Mm-hmm.

A trail of chemicals that are left.

Yeah, I've heard that people think that they come from

either the fuel system or maybe that sometimes there's

an external system.

So if somebody were to install something into the fuel that

could then be released into the atmosphere,

how feasible is that?

So these airplanes won't work very well if the fuel is not

exactly what we need it to be.

You're gonna see that in the performance,

and it's not gonna be great.

We check the fuel every time, so you're always getting

a sample of fuel.

It doesn't matter if it's a small aircraft

or a really big jet.

How regulated is the fuel industry for aircraft?

Incredibly, incredibly regulated.

Um, so much so that we have a really hard time getting

new fuels approved.

Now, what about the idea that there could be some sort of

hidden tank in an aircraft or some sort of hidden

storage unit that carries a chemical for distribution?

In aviation, there are so many people that have access to

the airplane itself.

Mechanics, people who work in maintenance-- they know what's

happening with the systems all the way to the pilots.

I mean, we're talking about a massive amount of people

who would have to be willingly

poisoning everyone that they know and love.

So that never really made sense to me.

One of the biggest arguments I hear about is that

there are so many more contrails in the sky now

than there ever were before. - Mm, yeah-- yes.

How do you explain that?

Commercial aviation has increased 980% since the '70s.

- Wow. - Even 75% since 2010.

Seems like there might be better ways to do it

than with an aircraft.

Yeah, this would be a very difficult route to go down.

But also, you know, our weather is changing.

I mean, that's a scientific fact.

I can understand people wanting to put a reason behind it

and point fingers to different entities, um,

instead of thinking that there's something more outside

of our control that's happening.

This conversation with Shelby was really helpful in

understanding how complicated a conspiracy like the one

behind chemtrails would have to be.

I've been talking to a number of my friends who are

still in the aviation industry, and here's what

they've explained to me.

Every flight requires a minimum of two pilots, two mechanics,

and eight ground crew, equaling a total of

12 personnel per flight.

In addition to that, there are 27,000 flights a day.

27,000 flights times 12 people

give us a total of 324,000 interactions

between flight operations and a human being per day.

So at a minimum, there are 324,000 interactions a day on

all aircraft among the 548,000 employees who work

in passenger travel every day.

That is a massive amount of people to keep a secret.

You know the old maxim, three people can keep a secret

if two of them are dead.

In covert operations, I would not bet on those odds.

So I'm left wondering,

what is connecting all these conspiracy theories together?

I'm so deep down this rabbit hole of weather modification,

and I really feel like I understand the parts,

but I'm not understanding the whole.

What exactly is the conspiracy?

What is it that brings all these different ideas together?

I need to talk to someone who's been covering this for years,

who talks directly to the believers

but isn't a believer himself.

So, I'm gonna reach out to Eric Spitznagel

from the New York Post.

He's one of the preeminent journalists on this topic,

and I know he'll have answers that fill in the gaps

that I can't seem to fill myself.

Eric, I've heard about geoengineering, cloud seeding,

weather modification, chemtrails, but what I'm not

understanding is how they all tie together?

In a lot of ways, it comes down to this sense of control.

There's no fact that sometimes weather just happens.

It has to be, who's doing this to me?

It usually has to do with, the billionaire class is

doing something to us.

There's somebody in control,

that nothing happens without a reason.

There are current efforts out there specifically to

geoengineer a solution to global warming.

How does that tie in with global conspiracies

about weather modification?

People are so determined to

believe that there's evil happening here.

The more often researchers come out,

scientists come out and say, "Yes, there is technology.

We are seeding. We are doing things."

But there's no evil behind the scenes

trying to sterilize people.

People want to believe.

So, the science is received as further proof of a cover up.

What you're saying follows what I learned at CIA,

that people make the leap from protection or defense to

weaponization or offense on their own. - Right.

That's right. That's 100% correct.

You've mentioned that the kind of center villain

in this controversy consistently is the wealthy.

- Yes. - Why do you think that is the target group?

Why do you think they are the villain?

It's this mistrust.

It's-- some of it's deserved, but there's a mistrust of

billionaires that somehow the elite,

the billionaire class, want to drive out communities off

valuable land, that the elite are in charge of making sure

that they get the most resources.

So, the details change, but what stays the same is this

belief that a hidden group is secretly reshaping the world

from above, and that the sky itself is almost a crime scene.

The sky itself is a crime scene.

That's the making of a killer New York Post headline.

Coming up, I go further down this rabbit hole with Eric,

and what I'm about to investigate is something

I've never, ever considered.

Wildfires as a form of weather-controlled catastrophe.

There really is strange movement of the fires

themselves, almost without explanation.

2 I'm investigating if there's any truth to the idea of

weaponized weather, and New York Post reporter

Eric Spitznagel is helping me understand what the motive

could be, including a dark conspiracy theory claim that

the billionaire class was somehow behind

devastating fires in Maui, Hawaii.

Now, you've made several references to the sky being

kind of the source of these conspiracies

in many ways, right?

How does that relate to the idea that elites are trying

to steal valuable land?

Every time there's a fire, "Maybe someone's using lasers

because it's not burning the way we think it's going to."

It may sound far-fetched to some, but conspiracy theorists

have claimed that giant space-based laser weapons are

responsible for wildfires.

Eric reported on the claims after the devastating

Lahaina fire in Maui, Hawaii.

They are still fighting fires

tonight on the Hawaiian island of Maui.

I would bet a fair amount of money that the fires

were set intentionally, especially when you look at

the patterns, right?

You can see a big old circle, like a ring of fire.

It really makes you wonder,

how would fire create a pattern like that?

Can you explain how did the conspiracy change with

the fires in Maui?

There were a couple factors that were coming up.

There was one tweet in particular that went just

haywire, where someone notated that, well, look, this house is

burned down, but right next to it,

these trees haven't been touched.

So people looked at these pictures and they thought,

well, that's selective targeting going on.

The popular theory that came up was lasers are pinpointing

exact places to fire down and burn very specific parts of

the land, probably to drive people out.

The other fascinating thing was blue object theory.

Houses with blue roofs tended not to burn.

So their theory was, well,

this is some kind of signal to the cabal.

These are the houses you don't destroy.

That's a fascinating theory, the kind of theory

that would be-- you know, belong in a thriller

or "James Bond."

It really does sound like a Bond movie.

That's amazing.

But before I test whether these wildfires could have been set

intentionally as part of some large-scale plot

for a land grab, I have to answer a broader question first.

If there were a group of people trying to engineer

natural disasters, where would they hide?

And the question to that answer might be in my own backyard,

Denver International Airport.

And what many conspiracy theorists believe

might be hidden underneath it.

Denver International is my home airport.

I must use this airport three times a month.

I'm driving on airport property now, and have been for a while,

and you can just see how expansive and how much coverage

there is, but it's completely inefficient.

So was it possibly built for some other reason?

That's what we're here to find out.

Maybe these buildings are being used for something else,

such as an underground bunker. For who, you might ask?

We'll get into that.

The conspiracy theories about Denver International Airport

started almost as soon as it opened.

Originally designed for an automated baggage system

that never worked, rumors spread that

the airport's vast underground corridors were connected to

a nationwide network controlled by the Illuminati.

America's strangest airport might be hiding

something disturbing.

And then there was the art.

Let's welcome travelers to the symbol of tranquility to

calm their nerves. This is perfect.

Then there were the murals

depicting war, environmental collapse,

and a strange gargoyle near baggage claim...

which all fed this idea that the Denver Airport was much

more than just a regional transportation hub.

Welcome to Illuminati Headquarters.

If you live around here, you're bound to hear

the rumors, so I'm looking

forward to seeing it for myself.

Our airport escort just picked us up and walked us through

quite the security briefing.

We are on our way now to actually start exploring some

of the non-public parts of the airport.

And I will say this, they seem to take

security really seriously.

I actually feel like I'm entering an outpost

in Afghanistan-- that is exactly what this feels like.

Only they don't have that at coast.

- Michael. - Hey, how's it going? Michael.

Nice to meet you.

Thank you so much for coming out.

- Of course. - So I live in Colorado Springs,

and I drive by this statue probably 50 times a year,

and I have never seen it up close and personal like this.

I have to admit, when I was coming to this conversation

with you, I was kind of hoping that it would reduce my unease,

but after seeing the Mustang here,

it's not reducing my unease. - It's not doing that--

yeah, yeah, there's conspiracy theories about just about

everything at this airport, and he's no exception.

Along with this horse, there's also a lot of

conversation about secret tunnels that run underground.

Are we able to see any of those?

Of course, yeah, happy to take you there.

As you can see, the airport's right there in

the distance, and we have tunnels that run the length

of the terminal. It's quite extensive.

So basically, everything that we see right now has

an underground tunnel network underneath it.

- That's right. - This is just the tip of the iceberg.

- Let's go. - Let's do it.

I love that we're going to the place where

nobody else can go.

2 I've been granted exclusive access beneath

Denver International Airport.

Are conspiracy theorists onto something?

Did a cabal of elites really build a network of

secret bunkers under baggage claim?

So this is kind of like

the baggage claim area right here.

Isn't it cool being down here?

A different world.

If you want, we can go over toward the concourse.

- You want to see that? - Let's do it-- I want to see it all.

- The first thing that catches my eye... - Yeah.

...is that it's not fancy down here. - No.

Was all of this built into the original plan?

The tunnels were part of the original.

It opened in February of 1995.

The airport sits on a property of 53 square miles.

- 53 square miles. - That's bigger than Manhattan.

- A lot bigger than Manhattan. - Wow.

Isn't that amazing?

So I think that's where a lot of the conspiracy theories

sort of originate, right?

Is there a bunker for the government to operate?

Is there a tunnel that connects Denver Airport to

Cheyenne Mountain, where NORAD is located?

Is there a tunnel that connects us to

Cheyenne Mountain?

That would be an incredible distance to build a tunnel.

During the Cold War, there were bunkers that were

built under federal buildings and corporate buildings that

the very people working in the buildings

didn't even know existed.

Seeing these tunnels reminds me of similar facilities

constructed to ensure continuity of government.

In 1959, the United States built a vast bunker under

the Greenbrier Country Club in West Virginia, big enough to

house the entire US Congress in the event

of a nuclear attack.

The facility was decommissioned in 1992 after its existence was

exposed by the Washington Post.

What if these tunnels in Denver are a cover for

the secret successor to the Greenbrier?

A vast airport far from the coast where thousands of

aircraft could converge,

and the government could shield itself

in the event of an attack?

We're reaching the end here,

and there's that door right there.

The conspiracy theorists probably won't believe me,

but beyond this door is a maintenance facility

for our train.

Those are contractors that get in there that do that kind of

work, and so this is... this is where we have to stop.

We can't continue on past that door.

Do you have access to that door?

I have no reason to be in there

unless I'm taking media in there, so.

Somebody with a different badge.

Right.

I want to make sure it's clear.

Like, I don't think anything about Michael is disingenuous.

I don't think he's lying to me.

I actually get the impression that he just doesn't know,

or he was given kind of express instructions on what we could

and couldn't talk about today.

And whenever I start talking about things that are outside

of those instructions, he just kind of

politely and awkwardly turns the conversation

a different direction.

Without access, all you can do is note the limits,

what I'm allowed to see and what I'm not.

And whether it hides a secret bunker for elites,

continuity of government program,

or a simple maintenance room is impossible to say.

But this does make me even more determined to dig deeper into

the theory around the Great Land Grab.

Now, I want to focus on the Hawaiian Islands,

and the aftermath of the Lahaina fire.

Now, we know that billionaires have built sprawling compounds

on the Hawaiian islands, and if the elites are trying

to make a land grab, Maui makes sense.

What is really going on with the fires in Maui?

Conspiracy theorists took to the Internet with claims that

the Lahaina fires were created by space lasers.

Some people have expressed that all the evidence points to

an outward use of laser energy weapons to cause

a natural disaster.

Pointing to straight burn patterns.

A lot of things don't line up with a natural fire.

The sparing of wealthy estates and the survival of

blue-colored objects as proof.

Everything went up in flames except items in blue.

For decades, militaries have promised and developed

directed energy weapons.

But none of the systems displayed to the public have

the capacity to inflict the seemingly

intentional selective-burning, conspiracy theorists claim,

occurred in Maui.

Is it possible to create a space-based laser of that

size and power? Technically, yes.

But how would you keep it secret from foreign governments

or even civilian observers?

Not to mention the fact that it would violate major

international weapons treaties.

So what happened in Lahaina?

Can a secret laser weapon explain the fires

that some people believe could even be intentional?

To answer that question, I've tracked down

two of the world's experts

on wildfires from the Missoula Fire Science Lab.

Meteorologist Natalie Wagenbrenner has

traveled to meet with me in the Ops Center,

and her colleague, fire ecologist Mark Finney,

who is remoting in from the lab.

It seems like some of these conspiracy theories are coming

from observations that people made about the fires in Maui.

The fact that there seemed to be lines of fire on

the mountain, or that there were some properties that were

spared while others were completely destroyed.

Is there any scientific explanation to that behavior?

When you have real terrain with lots of different,

you know, ridges and valleys and complex winds

in that terrain-- all play into how fires spread.

The fuel that's there plays a large role as well.

Is it a light, flashy fuel like pine needles or grass,

or is it heavier, denser fuels?

Missoula Fire Sciences Lab is the world's premier institution

dedicated to the study of wildfire behavior.

They have purpose-built facilities designed to recreate

the conditions under which wildfires burn.

Their goal?

To explain the mysterious behavior of nature's

most destructive force.

By combining Mark's controlled fire experiments and Natalie's

meteorological models, they believe they can explain

what happened in Lahaina.

Has your study found any explanation for why some

neighborhoods were spared,

other neighborhoods were destroyed?

So this is a very common thing in urban fires.

We see a lot of cases where materials that we would

ordinarily think would be readily ignitable just didn't

receive the kind of heat sources necessary for ignition.

And you can actually simulate these variables

inside of this fire lab?

We've constructed this facility here in Missoula.

We call it the grain bin, because it is a grain bin that

we've converted into a burn facility where we're able to

control exactly the humidity and the temperature

and the wind speed in order to experiment with the burning of

these fuel complexes.

We've introduced this grain bin specifically to

look at long-burning fuels and to be able to study

things like the transition from smoldering combustion to

flaming combustion, which is really critical

for understanding wildland fire spread.

That's really cool.

And so behind me on the screen, you're seeing large

logs and sticks, some mulch underneath.

This is very similar to what we find in our forest.

And we're going to ignite this

and we're gonna burn it with a high wind.

And we're gonna watch over several hours how that burns.

Condition similar to the Lahaina fire?

Yeah, exactly.

All right, I am excited to see this.

I have never seen a burn controlled to this level.

This is fascinating.

Let's pump some propane in and light some fire.

We're gonna see some flame here in just a little bit.

You'll see the propane come up

and envelop the fuels,

entirely engulf them. There we go.

2 I'm investigating a weather control conspiracy claim that

lasers were responsible for the 2023 Lahaina fire

in Maui, Hawaii.

While Mark is monitoring

the fire lab experiment in Montana,

Natalie is taking me through her moment-by-moment examination of

the meteorological data that can help us understand

the effects of the Lahaina fire.

So do we know how the fire began?

What we're looking at here is a fire progression map.

The initial fire was ignited in this area here, just east of

Lahaina, from a re-energized damaged power line.

And the arcing of the power line is what caused

the initial fire.

There's cell phone images of the grass just below

the damaged power pole on fire

at the time that it was reported.

So that initial fire was responded to and contained,

and then around 3 PM

is when they got another report that the fire

had been rekindled. - Hm.

And it was that afternoon fire

that spread into the town of Lahaina.

- So the fire started on the east side... - That's right.

- ...and spread directly west? - Yeah, that's right.

And what I'm showing you here, the color scale is actually

what we call pressure anomalies with unusually high winds

associated with it.

So based on this data, the wind and the weather

and the pressure in Lahaina

was well outside of norm. - For sure.

Very strong winds around Lahaina.

So, the reds and the maroons are 70 to 90 miles an hour.

This is the first time it's ever connected for me that

the people who were trying to cope with this wildfire

were simultaneously dealing with a windstorm.

This is one of the most significant new pieces of

information that directly contradict many

of the conspiracies.

How would anybody keep control of a fire if they were trying

to light it in the middle of a 70-mile-an-hour wind?

Even if it's through a laser, how would you control a fire in

winds that strong?

Why would you choose this day of all days

to try to burn Lahaina?

Yeah, these were truly, you know,

extreme wind conditions on the ground.

Back in Missoula, the grain bin experiment

has concluded.

Natalie and I are calling Mark to see if the results mirror

the areas of unburned forest that witnesses observed in Maui.

So, Mark, what were the results of the experiment?

What did you find out?

OK, this is all that's left of that fuel bed.

You can see just one little bit, which is interesting

because the whole thing was engulfed in flames.

The wind is all coming out of the holes in that duct,

burning material get carried by the wind

and pile up over on the side over here,

and you can see that little pile of ash

that's accumulated here.

The principle is that this stuff could be rolling across

many, many streets, across fields, and ignite fires

downwind in many places.

Mark, what would happen under conditions like what we had in

Lahaina with sustained winds up to 70 miles an hour?

Yeah, so there are still live coals underneath here,

and if you increase the wind even on something like this,

it will rekindle and begin flaming.

There really is strange movement of

the fire themselves.

There really are moments when you would think a fire should

be out, but it's rekindled almost without explanation.

Yeah. And if I had enough breath

left in me, I could keep blowing on

that, and it would probably get this to transition to flaming.

So there is very real evidence to show that fires operate in

very unpredictable ways.

But the idea that the conspiracy of space-based

lasers or some sort of, you know, mass forced migration

by the ultra elites, we can't prove that from what

we're seeing with wildfires.

Yeah, I think to me it's just important to keep in mind,

usually the simplest explanation is probably

gonna be the most likely and the best one.

This is one of those conspiracies that's so

fascinating to me because it's rooted

in survival instinct.

But at CIA, we're taught to think in probabilities.

Starting with cloud seeding...

I learned it's a real technology that is quietly

being deployed across the country

to help with drought.

But the idea that cloud seeding is directly causing disasters

collapses under evidence.

Then there's chemtrails.

The investigation revealed that a covert program of

massive size and scope would be required to achieve what

the conspiracy theories claim, making it highly unlikely.

Next, I looked at space lasers.

Could a high energy weapon be used to burn people out in

coordinated land grabs?

The scientists at the Missoula Fire Sciences Lab

showed me just how unlikely that is.

And finally, there are the secret Illuminati bunkers.

It's highly likely that both the elite and the government

are planning for cataclysmic events.

They just aren't doing it

in the way conspiracy theorists believe.

After all of my investigation and research, I can confidently

say that technology can only nudge the weather,

not create natural disasters.

More than anything, beliefs about weather control

reveal fear-- fear of elites, fear of nature itself,

fear of instability, but not facts.