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I would go out occasionally
to a cocktail party,
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and I was fascinated by
all of what I saw there.
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There were a few guys
dancing with a few guys,
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a couple of gals dancing
with a couple gals.
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It was just a party,
and people were
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dancing and having a good time.
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Parties like this were illegal.
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And the next think I
know the cops came in.
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Doors burst open,
there they were.
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They were arresting
a bunch of queers.
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They took us down to
the police station.
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I thought, oh, my
god, this is terrible.
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I thought, what would my mother
think of my being arrested?
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Will it affect this career
that I'm trying to get
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started in the motion pictures?
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An attorney, Harry
Weiss, appeared.
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He was well known
for taking care
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of situations like that with
many, many Hollywood people.
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And he said, you've got to be
a lot sharper than you are.
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You're in Hollywood now.
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You want to be an actor and
really laid down the law to me.
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And then I was released.
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I had no idea it was
going to jump up and be
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thrown at me years later.
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He's the young fellow
you've been waiting for,
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ladies and gentlemen,
Tab Hunter.
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MAN: Six feet of
rugged manhood can
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stir the heart of every woman.
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Oh, my goodness,
I'm flabbergasted!
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Tab Hunter.
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MAN: How do you shave, Tab?
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With Gillette Super
Speed of course.
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Tab Hunter!
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You tell me where I
can fine Tab Hunter.
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Well, you do pretty good.
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Gee, thanks.
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MAN: What do you like
about Tab Hunter?
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Well, (LAUGHING)
quite a few things.
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MAN (SINGING): That clean
cut, unaffected Tab Hunter.
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GIRLS: Tab!
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MAN (SINGING): That
All-American boy.
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Shocking, but true story of
a young man who found himself
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overwhelmed by a
strange compulsion.
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Hello, I'm Tab Hunter,
and I've got a secret.
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Well, I would never have
talked about my personal life
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in the 1950s.
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Something the matter, kid?
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What?
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Oh, no.
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No, not a thing.
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TAB HUNTER: I obviously
was very closeted.
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And I'm sure it's a
very difficult thing
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to think, what's the problem?
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But there was a problem.
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It's been very difficult
for me my whole life
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talking about that side of me.
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For me to come out
of myself like this
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and to share all of this
is extremely difficult.
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I've never been as
open as I am with you
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because it's been written
about and what the heck?
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You know, I'm an old man.
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You know, this my
life-- big deal.
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(LAUGHING)
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When I count three, will all
of the ladies in the audience
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please go, (SIGHING).
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Tab, when I was young,
when I first saw him,
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looked-- beside acting, he
just was amazing looking.
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Whoa, this was like a
flying saucer landed looking
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like that cute-- beautiful,
California surfer,
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handsome that every single girl
or boy wanted to make out with.
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GIRL: Are you Tab Hunter?
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Uh, yeah-- yeah.
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I think I've died
and gone to heaven.
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Kids and the fans
just gravitated to him
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just like a magnet.
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He was so popular, and so many
people just thought he was it.
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And he was.
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(LAUGHING) I'll bet.
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He was as big as
they could come.
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He had the star quality
and he had the x-factor.
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Mr. Tab Hunter-- Tab.
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And in every picture they
managed to take his shirt off.
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(LAUGHING)
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Hey, kid!
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Nobody could take their
eyes off Tab Hunter.
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He was the All-American boy, and
nobody sold that image better.
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He was the good-looking
sailor, or he
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was the good-looking Marine,
and he was the good-looking Air
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Force pilot.
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I did so many
military films that I
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was waiting for the government
to send me a pension.
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I mean, my gosh, I was
in uniform all the time.
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Cigarette?
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I saw him in "Battle Cry."
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He played a young Marine
with Dorothy Malone.
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They did have a love scene.
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It caused a lot of
comment at the studio.
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Let's take a dip in the pool.
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We can't have one of
our young Marines having
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an affair with a married woman.
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Oh, really?
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(LAUGHING)
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I think you're the most
beautiful woman I've ever met.
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What was the one he
did was Sophia Loren?
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ANNOUNCER: "That
Kind of Woman--"
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"That Kind of Woman,"
yeah, and of course,
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I adored her too, and I
thought, ooh, what a couple.
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He doesn't look
old enough to drink.
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I'm old enough to do anything,
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With his charm and good looks
and his magnetic presence,
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he was the embodiment of
youthful American masculinity.
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Thank you very
much and thank you.
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There he goes, the eligible
bachelor from Hollywood.
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By now I'm used to
Tab Hunter, of course,
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after all these years.
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I grew up as Art Gelien.
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I was born in 1931--
July, 11, 1931.
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My mother's name
was Gertrude Gelien.
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She was from Hamburg, Germany.
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I always used to say she was
a poor-man's Marlene Dietrich.
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She had two children--
my older brother,
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Walt, who was 11
months older than me.
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My mother and father did
not get along at all.
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He was terribly abusive to her.
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Once my mother
left my father, it
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was a lot of burden,
a lot of stress
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for a single woman raising
two children in those days.
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She was very strict.
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One moment she could
be very explosive,
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and the other moment she could
be terribly tender and dear.
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My mother worked like a dog.
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She held, sometimes, two jobs.
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She wanted to create
an environment
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of a family and a
home, and that was very
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important to her and to us.
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I was lost as a kid in
many ways-- introverted.
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And I was extremely shy.
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I was never comfortable
around people.
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It made me very nervous.
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My brother was
quite the opposite.
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My brother I looked
up to a great deal
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because he could handle
every situation very well.
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He was always prompting me on.
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Otherwise I'd have stayed in
my shell much, much longer.
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We were raised as Catholics.
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My mother put us in parochial
school, where we had nuns.
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She just was really,
really concerned
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about our own development--
mental, physical,
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and spiritual.
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I loved going to church.
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I did sing in the choir.
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Benediction was always wonderful
to me, and mass was in Latin,
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and I loved that.
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It was a good place to
go and become a part
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of something that moved me.
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ANNOUNCER: It's "The Black
Swan," starring Tyrone Power,
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in his lustiest role as
the daring Captain Waring.
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Of course I went to
movies all the time.
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I lived at the movies.
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There was an aura
about movie stars.
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It was quite wonderful.
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They were total escapism.
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I loved that.
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Movies was a world away.
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I did feel I was
different from other boys.
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The word gay was not
around when I was a kid.
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They used derogatory
terms-- fairy, queer.
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And I might even have
said that about someone,
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not wanting to be
different, wanting
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to be like everyone else.
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I was always taught
if there's something
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bad just push it from your
mind, push it from your mind.
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So I never confronted those
things, even though it was
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there and was very powerful.
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I hated myself.
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I went to confession.
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And this one priest made me feel
like I was the most miserable
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person that ever lived.
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After my confession I fled
from the church completely,
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even though it was
something I really loved.
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I came away from that
more fearful than ever.
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I when John Burroughs Junior
High School with Arthur Gelien.
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It with as if magic had
dropped into the school.
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Honestly, the girls would
not leave him alone.
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They had never seen
anybody so handsome.
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They were just mesmerized.
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Girls were very
attracted to me,
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and it made me
extremely uncomfortable
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when people would carry on
in any way, shape, or form.
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If he tried to walk down the
hall, he simply was mobbed.
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There were times that he'd have
to run into an empty classroom
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and lock the door to
get away from the girls.
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I don't know how he survived.
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The attention at school was
so disruptive that I just felt
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I needed some sort of escape.
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So I decided to join
the Coast Guard.
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I just had wanderlust.
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My mother and I had a big
argument just prior to my
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joining the Coast Guard.
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Kelm was my father's
name-- Charles Kelm.
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My earliest memory was my
father abusing my mother,
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and my brother and I crying.
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I had no recollection
of my father after that.
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My mother never wanted
to talk about him.
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In fact, you'd mention
his name and she
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would literally shudder.
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I at times wished
that we had a father.
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I kept saying Charlie probably
wasn't that bad after all.
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And my mother said, oh, really?
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Then I think you should go
to New York and see him.
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And when I was on liberty in
New York, I had his address,
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and I knocked on the door.
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And this woman says, yes?
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And I said, is
Charles Kelm here?
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And she said, no.
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And beyond her I could see
a figure sitting in a chair.
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And I said to her, well, would
you tell him that his son
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came by to say hello?
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And she said, yes.
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And she slammed the
door in my face.
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I knew that that was my
father sitting in that chair.
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And I could tell that he
didn't want to see me.
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I was devastated.
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And I just walked in
the snow for hours.
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The Coast Guard found out I was
under age and discharged me.
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And then when they
discharged me,
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I went back down to Los Angeles.
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I worked as a delivery man.
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I worked wrapping presents
at Brothers
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in Hollywood.
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I worked at the Orange Julius
stand on Hollywood Boulevard.
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I did an awful lot of jobs.
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My brother was the one who
introduced me to horses.
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I wanted to do whatever
my brother did.
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And then my brother went on,
of course, to other things,
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but I stayed with the horses.
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I loved being around the horses
when they were in their stalls.
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I loved the smell of them.
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I loved working around them.
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I loved riding.
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And I got a job mucking
out and being at the barn.
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When the horse
came into my life,
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they totally consumed my life.
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One weekend at the
barn, Dick Clayton
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came out, who was an
actor at the time,
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with an actress by
the name of Ann Blyth.
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And they were doing
a photo layout
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for one of the movie magazines.
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Well, I was fascinated, so I
just stood there and watched.
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And then Ann left, and I got
to talking to Dick afterwards,
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and we became friendly.
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Dick never came on to me
like a lot of people did.
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I never felt a hidden
agenda from Dick Clayton
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because I just felt so
comfortable with him.
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I never had a man in
my life like that.
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And he was the one
who first planted
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the seed for me-- how would
you feel about being an actor?
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And I thought, oh, wow,
that'd be terrific.
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I did start thinking about it.
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But I didn't know what
to do, where to begin,
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how to get started
in the business.
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Henry Wilson was an agent
for a lot of young actors.
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Henry had a stable of
stars-- Guy Madison,
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Rory Calhoun, Rock Hudson.
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Henry Wilson was
a big-deal agent.
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And it seemed like every actor
he touched became a big star.
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And he had a certain
style of client,
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and he was the one who
would take the pretty boys
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and make stars out of them.
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Dick Clayton said I want
you to me Henry Wilson.
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You know, he doesn't have
the most sterling reputation.
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And I went there and met him.
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You know, he was giving
you the look and the stare
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and all that.
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I'm not an idiot.
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I could see what
was going on there.
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Oh, yeah, Henry would put the
make on me every now and then.
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Occasionally his knee would push
against your knee or something
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like that.
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Well, I just wasn't interested.
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I mean, Henry was an amusing,
fun person to go out with once
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in a while, but that was it.
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Henry was certainly not my type.
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We were sitting in
his office, and he
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said the name's gotta go.
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So he said we've got
to tab you something.
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So that's how Tab came about.
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And I showed horses--
hunters and jumpers.
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And Henry said, that's
it-- Tab Hunter.
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That's a good name.
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I can just see my new name,
Tab Hunter, on the marquee.
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I remember having a few drinks,
and I was feeling no pain.
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I said, I'm going to be
a movie star. (LAUGHING)
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Art Gelein became Tab Hunter.
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The new name was hard for
me to get used to though.
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And then Henry said, well, once
you see it on "pay to the order
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of," it won't be so bad.
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He was a man who was eager,
excited, and enthusiastic,
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and wanted it.
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Boy, it sure did come fast.
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ANNOUNCER: A lush,
topical paradise
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beyond your wildest
most romantic dreams.
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The first interview I had was
for "Island of the Desire."
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So they sent me to
meet the director.
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He looked up and said,
that's the boy I want.
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And he asked me to
take off my shirt.
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I was really embarrassed.
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I then did a screen
test with Linda Darnell.
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She was a very big name.
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Oh, I was a nervous wreck
doing a screen test.
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She said, don't worry.
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I'm good luck for newcomers.
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And they said, now you take her
in your arms and you kiss her.
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I took her in my arms
and I kissed her.
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(LAUGHING) I kissed her.
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She looked at me.
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And they said, cut,
and she pinched me,
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and she said, that was
nice. (LAUGHING) Audience
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response was phenomenal.
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Critics, ha, they hated.
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You're out of your mind!
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Darn right.
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This blasted
island's got me loco.
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I got roasted.
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Hello, Hawaii.
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Hello, America.
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Hello, England.
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Hello, anybody!
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He doesn't
demonstrate any shred
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of acting ability in that film.
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I was born too late, and
I've got a lot to learn.
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My mother and I did go
to a screening of it.
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The lights came up.
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My mother said, you were lousy.
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I was so bad in the movie
that I couldn't get arrested.
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It was a long spell
between "Island
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of Desire" and my next job.
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The only parts I could
get were grade-Z movies.
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Interpreting
hieroglyphics was part
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of my archaeological studies.
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I felt that I was a B actor
trapped in that genre of film,
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and there was no way out.
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Hello, Pop!
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TAB HUNTER: Acting was
something that Dick Clayton
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was always on my case about.
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This isn't something
that just happens.
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You've got to work.
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There's so much to learn and so
much to tap inside of myself.
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And I wanted to go
on to the next step.
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And he arranged for
me to do "Our Town."
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It was important for me to do
it because it was great material
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and a chance to grow.
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Marilyn Erskine, a Broadway
actress, who was very good,
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did not want to do
"Our Town" with me.
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00:18:39,951 --> 00:18:44,414
George was a marvelous
part for a young actor.
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But Tab Hunter playing George?
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Well, I didn't see that.
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And so I was a little bit
concerned because that's such
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an important part of the play.
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We did a read through.
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And after we
finished the reading
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she agreed to do it with me.
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She said, OK, young man, we've
got a lot of work ahead of us.
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Let's get to it.
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00:19:10,815 --> 00:19:14,861
Well, I wanted him to be
comfortable within himself
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that he can do this.
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00:19:18,031 --> 00:19:22,285
Tad had that desire
to really be good.
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00:19:22,577 --> 00:19:26,206
I saw an actor who
grew and grew, getting
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better and better and better.
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TAB HUNTER: The only thing
I really could rely on
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were my instincts
and my feelings.
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And they won't lead
you too far astray.
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And Tab was just fabulous.
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He was George.
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The play was extremely well
received, got good notices--
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the first good notices I
ever received in my life.
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From that, it sort
of whet the appetite.
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I came away from that
experience realizing
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that I wanted to be an actor.
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00:20:04,828 --> 00:20:08,206
The studios ran Hollywood.
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Hollywood was MGM,
Paramount, 20th Century
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Fox, Warner Brothers.
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00:20:16,881 --> 00:20:21,886
It was just a society in
unto itself, Warner Brothers.
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It was the best studio,
SO we were very proud.
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00:20:25,807 --> 00:20:29,060
But you did not cross
to cross Jack Warner.
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Colonel Warner-- Colonel Jack
Warner, ladies and gentlemen.
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00:20:32,731 --> 00:20:34,107
You know, Warner was
quite a character.
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00:20:34,399 --> 00:20:35,400
He really was.
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00:20:35,692 --> 00:20:38,862
He looked like Lucifer with
a little mustache of his.
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00:20:39,154 --> 00:20:40,780
Ha, you son-of-a-bitch.
(LAUGHING)
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When you had a guy like
Jack Warner on your side,
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you had the whole
Warner Brothers
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operation on your side.
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You were in business.
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The studio contract
was really good
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because of the security of it.
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At Warner Brothers,
they had acting classes,
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singing, dancing.
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00:20:59,716 --> 00:21:03,219
And I said, Henry;, I
really need to go to work.
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00:21:03,511 --> 00:21:05,680
And Henry sent out wired
to different producers
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saying Tab Hunter's available.
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00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,351
And he arranged for me to
meet , casting
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00:21:10,643 --> 00:21:12,228
director of Warner Brothers.
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00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,773
And I got a call
from the studio.
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00:21:15,064 --> 00:21:16,608
They took out an
option that they
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00:21:16,900 --> 00:21:18,902
might put me under contract.
407
00:21:19,194 --> 00:21:22,572
And your first picture will
be with John Wayne in and Lana
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Turner in "The Sea Chase!"
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00:21:25,158 --> 00:21:26,618
, more coffee.
410
00:21:26,910 --> 00:21:27,660
Yes, sir.
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All I had to say in
the film was, yes, sir.
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00:21:30,622 --> 00:21:31,122
Yes, sir.
413
00:21:31,414 --> 00:21:31,956
Thank you.
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00:21:32,248 --> 00:21:33,583
Everybody, sir.
415
00:21:33,875 --> 00:21:35,126
"The Sea Change" was
an all right film,
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00:21:35,418 --> 00:21:36,711
but I had nothing to do in it.
417
00:21:37,003 --> 00:21:37,712
I was very disappointed.
418
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,343
Jack Warner was looking
at rushes of the film,
419
00:21:43,635 --> 00:21:45,553
and a director by the
name of William Wellman,
420
00:21:45,845 --> 00:21:49,140
"Wild Bill" Wellman, happened
to see a couple of my scenes
421
00:21:49,432 --> 00:21:52,894
and said, I want that
kid for my next picture.
422
00:21:53,186 --> 00:21:54,687
And the next picture
was "Track of the Cat"
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00:21:54,979 --> 00:21:55,605
with Robert Mitchum.
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00:21:55,897 --> 00:21:58,525
The place is just
crawling with dreams.
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00:21:58,817 --> 00:22:00,819
Do you have any, kid?
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00:22:01,110 --> 00:22:02,987
I go along Mitch very well.
427
00:22:03,279 --> 00:22:05,698
He had great sense of
humor and was full of hell.
428
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:08,368
I really like him a lot.
429
00:22:08,660 --> 00:22:11,538
Well, the first big film
I did at Warner Brothers
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was a film called "Battle Cry."
"Battle Cry" was the biggest
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00:22:15,416 --> 00:22:18,378
picture Warner's had that year.
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00:22:18,670 --> 00:22:23,132
They tested me nine times for
the role of Danny Forrester.
433
00:22:23,424 --> 00:22:26,427
Sorry, I-- I felt
kind of itchy.
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00:22:26,719 --> 00:22:28,847
I wasn't the only one
who tested for that role.
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00:22:29,138 --> 00:22:29,848
Kiss me.
436
00:22:30,139 --> 00:22:30,723
Can't hear.
437
00:22:33,017 --> 00:22:37,188
Warner's tested Jimmy Dean
and Paul Newman for the role.
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00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,732
They still couldn't
make up their mind.
439
00:22:40,024 --> 00:22:43,319
So they said, well, we'll
give this kid one more test.
440
00:22:43,611 --> 00:22:46,614
The morning I left
to go to the test
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my mother stopped
me at the door,
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00:22:48,283 --> 00:22:49,325
and she said, think positive.
443
00:22:49,617 --> 00:22:52,203
See yourself in this role.
444
00:22:52,495 --> 00:22:55,957
And she said, if it's
meant to be, it will be.
445
00:22:56,249 --> 00:22:58,251
I thought I was so bad
in that test I went home
446
00:22:58,543 --> 00:23:00,461
and was ready to kill myself.
447
00:23:00,753 --> 00:23:02,881
And that was the test
that got me the role.
448
00:23:03,172 --> 00:23:05,425
Give me a cheeseburger
and a cup of coffee.
449
00:23:05,717 --> 00:23:08,011
And, uh, how about a
piece that apple pie too.
450
00:23:08,303 --> 00:23:09,721
I just liked the role.
451
00:23:10,013 --> 00:23:11,389
It reminded me of my brother.
452
00:23:11,681 --> 00:23:16,019
He was a very straightforward,
decent human being.
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Any guy in the world would be
lucky to have you for a wife.
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00:23:19,272 --> 00:23:21,649
The film was very successful.
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00:23:21,941 --> 00:23:23,526
It was a major hit
for Warner Brothers.
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ANNOUNCER: "Battle
Cry," the Warner
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00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,616
Brothers story of the Marines,
having its world premier.
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00:23:29,908 --> 00:23:32,827
I started getting so much
recognition for doing it
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that I was offered the
seven-year contract
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00:23:35,663 --> 00:23:36,873
with Warner Brothers.
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00:23:37,165 --> 00:23:38,458
I thought, whoa.
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00:23:38,750 --> 00:23:40,460
Tab Hunter!
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00:23:40,752 --> 00:23:44,047
And when that came on, it
was like you struck a match,
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00:23:44,339 --> 00:23:45,298
and off it went.
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00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:47,842
ANNOUNCER: Hollywood pays
tribute to bright, new stars
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of tomorrow.
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00:23:49,010 --> 00:23:52,013
Awards go to blue-eyed
and blond Tab Hunter.
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00:23:52,305 --> 00:23:56,893
They translated everything
into box office receipts.
469
00:23:57,185 --> 00:24:01,272
Jack Warner saw
box-office gold in Tab.
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00:24:01,564 --> 00:24:03,399
Once I was under
contract to them,
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00:24:03,691 --> 00:24:05,818
all this publicity
came out on me,
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00:24:06,110 --> 00:24:08,404
and the publicity
exceeded the product.
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00:24:08,696 --> 00:24:10,740
ANNOUNCER: Actor Tab
Hunter signs autographs
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00:24:11,032 --> 00:24:13,451
in the time-honored way.
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00:24:13,743 --> 00:24:16,412
They were selling
the All-American boy.
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00:24:16,704 --> 00:24:18,456
Take him home to mother.
477
00:24:18,748 --> 00:24:20,375
It was a nice wholesome image.
478
00:24:20,667 --> 00:24:21,668
How do you feel
about dancing tonight?
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00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:22,460
Are you ready?
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00:24:22,752 --> 00:24:24,629
A little awkward,
but I guess I'm ready.
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00:24:24,921 --> 00:24:27,715
He was everywhere.
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00:24:28,007 --> 00:24:30,218
We were being bombarded
with Tab's presence.
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00:24:30,510 --> 00:24:35,431
And I was delighted because he
was so exciting to be watching.
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00:24:35,723 --> 00:24:38,601
ANNOUNCER: America's
favorite sweethearts,
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00:24:38,893 --> 00:24:41,145
Tab Hunter and Natalie Wood.
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00:24:41,437 --> 00:24:42,563
Natalie Wood was the
sweetest little thing
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00:24:42,855 --> 00:24:43,731
that ever came down the road.
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00:24:44,023 --> 00:24:44,524
I loved her.
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00:24:44,816 --> 00:24:45,775
She was like my kid sister.
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00:24:46,067 --> 00:24:48,987
You really got it
made, haven't you?
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TAB HUNTER: She had
been a very successful
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in "Rebel Without a
Cause" with Jimmy Dean,
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00:24:53,032 --> 00:24:57,120
and I had been successful
in "Battle Cry."
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00:24:57,412 --> 00:24:58,955
Warner Brothers put us together.
495
00:24:59,247 --> 00:25:02,709
They wanted to make us
into the new "dream team."
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00:25:03,001 --> 00:25:04,544
We went along with
it, of course.
497
00:25:04,836 --> 00:25:07,755
ANNOUNCER: Tab
Hunter, Natalie Wood.
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00:25:08,047 --> 00:25:09,132
And they had a
great time together.
499
00:25:09,424 --> 00:25:10,008
She adored him.
500
00:25:10,299 --> 00:25:13,469
I never met a gal
with such spunk.
501
00:25:13,761 --> 00:25:16,723
ROBERT WAGNER: He was on
fire, and she was on fire.
502
00:25:17,015 --> 00:25:17,890
They traveled a lot together.
503
00:25:18,182 --> 00:25:20,810
They went on tours together.
504
00:25:21,102 --> 00:25:22,395
TAB HUNTER: Oh, my gosh,
there were thousands
505
00:25:22,687 --> 00:25:23,354
and thousands of kids.
506
00:25:27,233 --> 00:25:28,985
He looked like he loved
being a movie star,
507
00:25:29,277 --> 00:25:30,319
and he was a good one.
508
00:25:30,611 --> 00:25:32,613
ANNOUNCER: Warner Brothers stars
Natalie Wood and tab Hunter
509
00:25:32,905 --> 00:25:36,617
plant a Christmas parade for the
annual Toys for Tots campaign.
510
00:25:36,909 --> 00:25:39,120
But I knew Tab
first from his music.
511
00:25:42,123 --> 00:25:43,666
TAB HUNTER: The
recording career came
512
00:25:43,958 --> 00:25:47,962
about when Randy Wood
of Dot Records said,
513
00:25:48,254 --> 00:25:50,214
how would you like to record?
514
00:25:50,506 --> 00:25:53,634
I said, I'd love it.
515
00:25:53,926 --> 00:25:55,762
Randy had me come over there.
516
00:25:56,054 --> 00:25:58,681
I cut the record.
517
00:25:58,973 --> 00:26:01,350
Randy yelled out, that's it.
518
00:26:01,642 --> 00:26:02,977
It's gonna be a hit.
519
00:26:08,441 --> 00:26:10,818
(SINGING) --for every
boy and girl there's just
520
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:14,530
one love in this
whole world, and I-hi
521
00:26:14,822 --> 00:26:19,577
kno-ho I-hi-1 found mine.
522
00:26:20,703 --> 00:26:22,705
It became the number
one song in the nation.
523
00:26:22,997 --> 00:26:23,706
(SINGING) Young love.
524
00:26:23,998 --> 00:26:24,707
Young love.
525
00:26:24,999 --> 00:26:25,708
First love.
526
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,710
First love.
527
00:26:28,002 --> 00:26:30,713
When "Young Love" hit
number one on the pop charts,
528
00:26:31,005 --> 00:26:33,466
it knocked Elvis
out of number one
529
00:26:33,758 --> 00:26:36,511
and stays for a month
and a half at the top
530
00:26:36,803 --> 00:26:39,514
of the national charts.
531
00:26:39,806 --> 00:26:42,683
Jack Warner blew his stack.
532
00:26:42,975 --> 00:26:46,479
He said, we own
you for everything.
533
00:26:46,771 --> 00:26:48,731
He had totally prohibited
me from recording
534
00:26:49,023 --> 00:26:50,983
for Dot any longer.
535
00:26:51,275 --> 00:26:54,403
And I said, but Mr. Warner, you
don't have a recording company.
536
00:26:54,695 --> 00:26:55,738
And he said, well, we do now.
537
00:26:56,030 --> 00:26:58,032
And, they started Warner
Brothers Records for me.
538
00:26:58,324 --> 00:27:04,664
[MUSIC- TAB HUNTER, "NINETY NINE
WAYS"]
539
00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:11,254
Tab had areal genuine
reporting career.
540
00:27:11,546 --> 00:27:13,714
He was not a one-hit wonder.
541
00:27:14,006 --> 00:27:16,509
He released dozens of
singles and albums.
542
00:27:16,801 --> 00:27:20,596
It was phenomenal, and it
was noticed by everyone.
543
00:27:20,888 --> 00:27:27,478
(SINGING) What a wonderful
wedding there will be.
544
00:27:27,770 --> 00:27:34,944
What wonderful day
for you and me.
545
00:27:35,236 --> 00:27:37,947
He came along at a
very brilliant time.
546
00:27:38,239 --> 00:27:41,075
It was the beginning of the
teenage revolution in America.
547
00:27:44,078 --> 00:27:47,331
He had a million and one
crushes from the largest group
548
00:27:47,623 --> 00:27:50,209
of teenagers that has
ever lived in the United
549
00:27:50,501 --> 00:27:52,378
States, the baby boomers.
550
00:27:54,755 --> 00:27:58,426
They were the ones who would
make a career overnight,
551
00:27:58,718 --> 00:28:00,344
and they certainly
did with mine.
552
00:28:00,636 --> 00:28:01,179
I can't help it.
553
00:28:01,470 --> 00:28:03,848
I've got a very bad
case of Tab Hunter-it is.
554
00:28:04,140 --> 00:28:06,184
I know just how you feel.
555
00:28:06,475 --> 00:28:08,811
I had Tab's
pictures on my wall.
556
00:28:09,103 --> 00:28:11,230
We all did.
557
00:28:11,522 --> 00:28:14,901
My wall was covered with
pictures of Tab Hunter.
558
00:28:15,193 --> 00:28:19,280
Young girls just
were crazy about him.
559
00:28:23,284 --> 00:28:27,163
The minute they took a
look he became their guy,
560
00:28:27,455 --> 00:28:30,249
and he was marketed
to those people.
561
00:28:30,541 --> 00:28:32,418
It was the movie
magazines that really
562
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:36,964
made him a huge star, more than
the films that he was making.
563
00:28:37,256 --> 00:28:39,425
TAB HUNTER: The kids
kept demanding all of it,
564
00:28:39,717 --> 00:28:43,304
so I would get things like "Tab
Hunter Buys a Hat," "Tab Hunter
565
00:28:43,596 --> 00:28:47,683
Drives a Car," "Tab
Hunter Cleans a Window,"
566
00:28:47,975 --> 00:28:52,396
"Tab Hunter Goes to the
Beach--" wee! (LAUGHING)
567
00:28:52,688 --> 00:28:56,234
One of the magazines
had a contest,
568
00:28:56,525 --> 00:29:06,452
and I won a date in Hollywood
with Tab Hunter in 1956.
569
00:29:06,744 --> 00:29:07,787
Was I nervous?
570
00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:10,206
I could hardly breathe.
571
00:29:10,498 --> 00:29:15,211
When I first saw Tab Hunter,
I was very intimidated.
572
00:29:15,503 --> 00:29:22,176
And he smiled, and that
smile was just truly magical.
573
00:29:22,468 --> 00:29:24,929
Tab Hunter was the
heartthrob that I had
574
00:29:25,221 --> 00:29:28,307
seen in the movie magazines.
575
00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:33,020
And we had dinner and dancing.
576
00:29:33,312 --> 00:29:35,648
I could not believe,
Jo-Ann, here you
577
00:29:35,940 --> 00:29:37,275
are dancing with Tab Hunter.
578
00:29:40,111 --> 00:29:44,991
My date was over, and
he gave me a kiss.
579
00:29:45,283 --> 00:29:47,910
I felt like
Cinderella, and I had
580
00:29:48,202 --> 00:29:50,705
a kiss from my Prince Charming.
581
00:29:50,997 --> 00:29:53,582
It was a dream-come-true.
582
00:29:53,874 --> 00:29:57,795
In the 1950s love and
marriage was the ideal theme.
583
00:29:58,087 --> 00:30:01,173
It's not always very real.
584
00:30:01,465 --> 00:30:05,052
The studios had a system.
585
00:30:05,344 --> 00:30:10,891
And they always wanted their
starlets to go out on a date
586
00:30:11,183 --> 00:30:13,561
with a beautiful, handsome boy.
587
00:30:13,853 --> 00:30:17,732
And the one they
chose was Tab Hunter.
588
00:30:18,024 --> 00:30:21,360
He was a guy that all the
girls wanted to go out with.
589
00:30:21,652 --> 00:30:23,195
Of course I wanted to meet
Tab Hunter because he was
590
00:30:23,487 --> 00:30:26,490
the big young male star
at Warner Brothers,
591
00:30:26,782 --> 00:30:29,994
and I was the big female
star at Columbia Pictures.
592
00:30:30,286 --> 00:30:33,164
And so we had to date.
593
00:30:33,456 --> 00:30:34,957
He was a gentleman.
594
00:30:35,249 --> 00:30:37,793
He always came around
and opened the doors.
595
00:30:38,085 --> 00:30:39,462
He picked up checks.
596
00:30:39,754 --> 00:30:41,881
And my parents liked him.
597
00:30:42,173 --> 00:30:42,673
It was fun.
598
00:30:42,965 --> 00:30:45,217
We did all sorts of things.
599
00:30:45,509 --> 00:30:49,013
We did all the things that
normal people do on dates.
600
00:30:49,305 --> 00:30:53,392
But we had a third person who
was a photographer with us.
601
00:30:53,684 --> 00:30:57,980
He was the kind of boy every
mother would want to have
602
00:30:58,272 --> 00:31:00,691
married into her family.
603
00:31:00,983 --> 00:31:02,485
He had an honesty.
604
00:31:02,777 --> 00:31:04,862
He had a simplicity.
605
00:31:05,154 --> 00:31:08,657
He a certain strength
of character.
606
00:31:08,949 --> 00:31:11,911
He would not let anybody down.
607
00:31:12,203 --> 00:31:15,873
We got along great because
he was always fun and sweet.
608
00:31:16,165 --> 00:31:21,212
And he wasn't after me,
so he wasn't on the make.
609
00:31:21,504 --> 00:31:24,090
And women like that.
610
00:31:24,382 --> 00:31:28,677
I really was a very naive,
young, innocent girl,
611
00:31:28,969 --> 00:31:32,932
and I would never think that the
most handsome boy would be gay.
612
00:31:35,643 --> 00:31:37,103
TAB HUNTER: I
would never discuss
613
00:31:37,395 --> 00:31:38,854
my private life with anyone.
614
00:31:41,816 --> 00:31:44,860
I was able to get close to
them, but I never really went
615
00:31:45,152 --> 00:31:46,654
that deep in the relationship.
616
00:31:49,865 --> 00:31:54,870
I had the ability to
live behind this wall.
617
00:31:57,832 --> 00:32:01,293
And you only allow people
to break the barrier
618
00:32:01,585 --> 00:32:02,920
if you feel you
can confide in them
619
00:32:03,212 --> 00:32:05,923
and you want to have
that friendship.
620
00:32:06,215 --> 00:32:08,884
INTERVIEWER: What was your first
relationship with another guy?
621
00:32:09,176 --> 00:32:11,011
Pfoof.
622
00:32:11,303 --> 00:32:14,640
(LAUGHING) The first
relationship I had
623
00:32:14,932 --> 00:32:19,145
was when I was ice skating
with a fellow skater.
624
00:32:19,437 --> 00:32:21,480
INTERVIEWER: Can you
tell me about that?
625
00:32:21,772 --> 00:32:23,065
What do you want to know?
626
00:32:23,357 --> 00:32:31,991
(LAUGHING) I always
loved figure skating.
627
00:32:32,283 --> 00:32:38,038
I competed in the regionals,
and I went to the nationals.
628
00:32:38,330 --> 00:32:42,418
I enjoyed just being on the ice.
629
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:48,299
He was a very good skater and a
very strong competitor as well.
630
00:32:48,591 --> 00:32:51,927
A lot of his friends were
ice skaters-- champion ice
631
00:32:52,219 --> 00:32:53,596
skaters with the Ice Capades.
632
00:32:53,888 --> 00:32:55,598
Mouseketeers, meet
Ronnie Robertson.
633
00:32:55,890 --> 00:32:56,432
Hi, Ronnie!
634
00:32:56,724 --> 00:32:57,224
Hi, Mouseketeers.
635
00:32:57,516 --> 00:33:00,561
Hi, Bob.
636
00:33:00,853 --> 00:33:04,607
Ronnie Roberson was known
as a great technician.
637
00:33:04,899 --> 00:33:09,403
His skating was different
than anybody else's skating.
638
00:33:09,695 --> 00:33:12,031
And he could spin faster
than anybody in the world.
639
00:33:12,323 --> 00:33:13,991
Nobody ever spun that well.
640
00:33:14,283 --> 00:33:15,659
He was a major talent.
641
00:33:18,496 --> 00:33:21,540
We had an attraction
for one another.
642
00:33:21,832 --> 00:33:26,045
And I drove him home one
evening after a skiing session.
643
00:33:26,337 --> 00:33:28,714
Next thing, we were
in a relationship.
644
00:33:32,718 --> 00:33:34,261
I'm sure there was
talk about Ronnie
645
00:33:34,553 --> 00:33:37,973
and myself in the skating
world, particularly
646
00:33:38,265 --> 00:33:40,392
if you've got a talent and
people are jealous of it.
647
00:33:43,395 --> 00:33:47,274
There were times when I was
certainly stressed hearing
648
00:33:47,566 --> 00:33:49,944
things that had been said.
649
00:33:50,236 --> 00:33:57,618
But you learn when you're in the
public eye to compartmentalize.
650
00:33:57,910 --> 00:34:00,204
A big issue as
that Tab was around.
651
00:34:00,496 --> 00:34:04,500
And the political game at that
time is you don't do that.
652
00:34:04,792 --> 00:34:07,461
There was one skater
that didn't like the fact
653
00:34:07,753 --> 00:34:10,297
that Ronnie and I were
friends and took a skate blade
654
00:34:10,589 --> 00:34:11,465
to my new car and
just went right
655
00:34:11,757 --> 00:34:13,592
down the side, (SCRATCHING
SOUND) to the paint.
656
00:34:16,554 --> 00:34:21,183
Tab came to the championships
with Ronnie Roberson.
657
00:34:21,475 --> 00:34:23,060
Ronnie was told
that he would not
658
00:34:23,352 --> 00:34:28,148
win the championships unless
Tab would not come along.
659
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,151
And Ronnie said,
it didn't matter.
660
00:34:31,443 --> 00:34:33,404
He wanted him there.
661
00:34:33,696 --> 00:34:36,740
And Ronnie skated-- oh,
magnificent performance.
662
00:34:42,413 --> 00:34:44,331
The fact that I was
there with Ronnie
663
00:34:44,623 --> 00:34:52,214
might have hurt his ability to
win, and he should have won.
664
00:34:57,970 --> 00:35:02,808
My mother never really approved
of the Hollywood stuff.
665
00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:06,395
Being private was
very important to her.
666
00:35:06,687 --> 00:35:09,773
She only visited me on a set
twice in all of the years
667
00:35:10,065 --> 00:35:12,860
I was in the business.
668
00:35:13,152 --> 00:35:15,029
She did one interview
for a magazine,
669
00:35:15,321 --> 00:35:18,198
but it was like pulling
teeth to get her to do that.
670
00:35:18,490 --> 00:35:19,908
People would say,
oh, Mrs. Gelien,
671
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:21,910
aren't you excited about Tab?
672
00:35:22,202 --> 00:35:23,746
And my mother would
say, yes, it's nice,
673
00:35:24,038 --> 00:35:27,750
but Walter's the
intelligent one.
674
00:35:28,042 --> 00:35:31,211
My mother was always
a very intense woman.
675
00:35:31,503 --> 00:35:34,006
She had a lot of
pressure in her life.
676
00:35:34,298 --> 00:35:37,134
She was very high strung.
677
00:35:37,426 --> 00:35:38,385
While I was doing
"Battle Cry" I was
678
00:35:38,677 --> 00:35:41,889
in touch with my mother a lot.
679
00:35:42,181 --> 00:35:45,559
And I noticed a change
in her behavior.
680
00:35:45,851 --> 00:35:49,271
She would fly off the
handle rather quickly.
681
00:35:49,563 --> 00:35:51,690
She was ranting
on behind a closed
682
00:35:51,982 --> 00:35:54,652
door in the bathroom in German.
683
00:35:54,943 --> 00:36:00,991
And she ran out into the street
and collapsed in my arms.
684
00:36:01,283 --> 00:36:05,537
It just got more out of control
and more out of control.
685
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:13,671
My mother totally lost it,
and I had to commit my mother
686
00:36:13,962 --> 00:36:14,588
to a mental institution.
687
00:36:18,884 --> 00:36:20,803
And it was very difficult to do.
688
00:36:24,598 --> 00:36:26,850
And on the way there I
said, Mom, please try
689
00:36:27,142 --> 00:36:27,935
to understand what I'm saying.
690
00:36:28,227 --> 00:36:30,562
I really feel bad about this.
691
00:36:30,854 --> 00:36:32,815
And she said, I know.
692
00:36:33,107 --> 00:36:35,609
I know.
693
00:36:35,901 --> 00:36:38,696
I had to commit my mother.
694
00:36:38,987 --> 00:36:40,864
I mean, there was
nothing else that I
695
00:36:41,156 --> 00:36:43,992
could think should be done.
696
00:36:49,415 --> 00:36:54,002
She had to have 37
electroshock treatments.
697
00:36:54,294 --> 00:36:57,589
I went down there to
see her, of course.
698
00:36:57,881 --> 00:37:01,510
I remember walking in,
and she was lying in bed,
699
00:37:01,802 --> 00:37:05,097
and they shaved her head where
she had all the treatments.
700
00:37:05,389 --> 00:37:12,354
And as I walked in she said,
why did you do this to me?
701
00:37:15,107 --> 00:37:19,737
She was very fragile when I went
to see her, but she was better.
702
00:37:20,028 --> 00:37:23,866
When I saw my mother,
as helpless as she was,
703
00:37:24,158 --> 00:37:25,576
I swore that she would
never have to work
704
00:37:25,868 --> 00:37:26,744
another day in her life.
705
00:37:29,621 --> 00:37:31,331
Hello, I'm Tab Hunter.
706
00:37:31,623 --> 00:37:33,083
Did you know that mental
illness claims more
707
00:37:33,375 --> 00:37:35,502
victims than any other disease?
708
00:37:35,794 --> 00:37:36,420
That's right.
709
00:37:36,712 --> 00:37:39,423
One American in every 10 is
suffering from some disabling
710
00:37:39,715 --> 00:37:40,716
mental or emotional disorder.
711
00:37:43,677 --> 00:37:49,558
In the 1950s being gay was
absolutely not acceptable.
712
00:37:49,850 --> 00:37:52,436
It was against the law.
713
00:37:52,728 --> 00:37:56,565
It was considered
a mental disease.
714
00:37:56,857 --> 00:38:01,153
There were very
devastating consequences.
715
00:38:01,445 --> 00:38:04,782
You couldn't have a
life being gay back
716
00:38:05,073 --> 00:38:11,371
in the '50s Tab would
be foolish not to hide,
717
00:38:11,663 --> 00:38:14,166
or he would not have a career.
718
00:38:14,458 --> 00:38:15,793
What do you think of your
dinner date here, Tab?
719
00:38:16,084 --> 00:38:17,044
She's very lovely, I must say.
720
00:38:17,336 --> 00:38:17,836
ANNOUNCER: Isn't she?
721
00:38:18,128 --> 00:38:18,629
Oh.
722
00:38:18,921 --> 00:38:21,673
The public saw me as one
person, and I was another.
723
00:38:21,965 --> 00:38:24,176
I didn't feel good about myself.
724
00:38:24,468 --> 00:38:28,555
Hollywood's most eligible
bachelor, Mr. Tab Hunter!
725
00:38:30,557 --> 00:38:33,977
TAB HUNTER: I never felt that
I deserve a lot of that stuff
726
00:38:34,269 --> 00:38:36,480
that was happening.
727
00:38:36,772 --> 00:38:39,650
You were rewarded for
pretending that you
728
00:38:39,942 --> 00:38:40,984
were someone you're not.
729
00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:52,704
Henry Wilson was a good agent,
but people outgrow one another.
730
00:38:52,996 --> 00:38:55,457
Then Dick Clayton
became an agent.
731
00:38:55,749 --> 00:38:59,253
I signed with him immediately
because I could trust him,
732
00:38:59,545 --> 00:39:00,254
and he was family.
733
00:39:02,965 --> 00:39:05,884
I told Henry I was leaving him.
734
00:39:06,176 --> 00:39:07,970
He was furious.
735
00:39:08,262 --> 00:39:11,557
Henry was very, very upset.
736
00:39:11,849 --> 00:39:13,141
In fact, because of
that, I'm sure it's
737
00:39:13,433 --> 00:39:16,895
why he turned over that story to
"Confidential" magazine on me.
738
00:39:19,857 --> 00:39:24,403
In the 1950s the magazine that
you had to be most concerned
739
00:39:24,695 --> 00:39:26,363
about was "Confidential."
740
00:39:26,655 --> 00:39:28,991
Oh, "Confidential" was
the talk of Hollywood
741
00:39:29,283 --> 00:39:30,492
because everyone was
afraid that if there
742
00:39:30,784 --> 00:39:32,619
was a skeleton in the
closet, it would be released.
743
00:39:32,911 --> 00:39:34,746
God knows I love you.
744
00:39:35,038 --> 00:39:36,999
But I won't let Ned
nor Kay or anyone else
745
00:39:37,291 --> 00:39:39,918
run our lives, Cary.
746
00:39:40,210 --> 00:39:43,130
"Confidential"
magazine, they had
747
00:39:43,422 --> 00:39:45,591
some information
on Rock that was
748
00:39:45,883 --> 00:39:48,176
very damaging to his career.
749
00:39:48,468 --> 00:39:51,221
And they were going to print it.
750
00:39:51,513 --> 00:39:56,226
Rock Hudson was the biggest
star that Henry Wilson ever had.
751
00:39:56,518 --> 00:39:59,688
He built Rock, and that
was his meal ticket.
752
00:39:59,980 --> 00:40:00,856
He was gonna protect that.
753
00:40:03,483 --> 00:40:06,612
To save Rock, Henry
gave "Confidential"
754
00:40:06,904 --> 00:40:10,115
the story about me when I'd
been arrested when I was just
755
00:40:10,407 --> 00:40:13,577
starting out in the business.
756
00:40:13,869 --> 00:40:15,662
Inside the magazine
the article read,
757
00:40:15,954 --> 00:40:21,209
"Tab Hunter caught at a
limp-wristed pajama party."
758
00:40:21,501 --> 00:40:24,922
I would say I was
thrown under the bus.
759
00:40:25,213 --> 00:40:27,466
When the magazine
came out, I was
760
00:40:27,758 --> 00:40:30,010
sure that my career was over.
761
00:40:30,302 --> 00:40:32,721
I took Natalie to
the Academy Awards.
762
00:40:33,013 --> 00:40:34,056
That was about the
time-- a little
763
00:40:34,348 --> 00:40:36,516
after the "Confidential"
had come out.
764
00:40:36,808 --> 00:40:39,645
The press of the world was
there photographing us.
765
00:40:39,937 --> 00:40:43,607
And one guy yelled out,
smile pretty this way, Tab.
766
00:40:43,899 --> 00:40:48,153
This is for the next issue
of "Confidential" magazine.
767
00:40:48,445 --> 00:40:50,155
Jack Warner, god
bless him, he turned
768
00:40:50,447 --> 00:40:53,951
me right back to the cameras
and said, just remember this.
769
00:40:54,242 --> 00:40:57,496
Today's headlines,
tomorrow's toilet paper.
770
00:40:57,788 --> 00:40:58,580
Everybody was nervous.
771
00:40:58,872 --> 00:41:02,209
But in those days they
could cover those things up.
772
00:41:02,501 --> 00:41:05,921
So if you are a money
maker for a studio,
773
00:41:06,213 --> 00:41:08,423
they are going to
protect that image
774
00:41:08,715 --> 00:41:11,760
like there is no tomorrow.
775
00:41:12,052 --> 00:41:16,765
The press knew just
about everything,
776
00:41:17,057 --> 00:41:19,559
and they kept it to themselves
when it was to their advantage
777
00:41:19,851 --> 00:41:22,562
and to the advantage
of the studios.
778
00:41:22,854 --> 00:41:28,276
It was a gentleman's agreement--
just keep it out of the press
779
00:41:28,568 --> 00:41:30,862
and don't make waves.
780
00:41:31,154 --> 00:41:32,739
Jack Warner and
I never discussed
781
00:41:33,031 --> 00:41:36,451
my sexuality whatsoever.
782
00:41:36,743 --> 00:41:39,496
I was making a lot
of money for them.
783
00:41:39,788 --> 00:41:43,250
As long as I didn't destroy this
image that they were creating,
784
00:41:43,542 --> 00:41:44,960
that was important to them.
785
00:41:47,629 --> 00:41:50,716
They created this persona.
786
00:41:51,008 --> 00:41:54,594
That was your job
to be that persona.
787
00:41:54,886 --> 00:41:57,055
You played the
game, so to speak,
788
00:41:57,347 --> 00:41:59,641
if that's what they want.
789
00:41:59,933 --> 00:42:02,519
I did sign a contract,
and I was willing to do
790
00:42:02,811 --> 00:42:06,773
whatever they wanted me to
do to fulfill that contract.
791
00:42:07,065 --> 00:42:08,859
Don't you ever
think about marriage?
792
00:42:09,151 --> 00:42:10,777
All the time, Ernie.
793
00:42:11,069 --> 00:42:12,612
That's what keeps me single.
794
00:42:14,072 --> 00:42:16,450
I thought of marriage
a number of times
795
00:42:16,742 --> 00:42:20,370
because it's expected of you.
796
00:42:20,662 --> 00:42:22,873
When I did the film
"Lafayette Escadrille,"
797
00:42:23,165 --> 00:42:25,667
that's when I first
met Etchika Choureau.
798
00:42:25,959 --> 00:42:27,210
She stopped me
dead in my tracks.
799
00:42:27,502 --> 00:42:30,464
She was gorgeous.
800
00:42:30,756 --> 00:42:32,549
And we hit it off immediately.
801
00:42:32,841 --> 00:42:34,384
She didn't speak
a word of English.
802
00:42:34,676 --> 00:42:37,137
My French was just awful.
803
00:42:37,429 --> 00:42:39,014
I can't remember
what we talked about because
804
00:42:39,306 --> 00:42:40,807
he did not speak one word of French
805
00:42:41,099 --> 00:42:42,851
and I only spoke three words of English.
806
00:42:43,977 --> 00:42:47,272
I don't know how we communicated...
undoubtedly with our eyes.
807
00:42:48,607 --> 00:42:51,943
But in any case,
we got on like a house on fire.
808
00:42:53,236 --> 00:42:55,155
And he was irresistible.
809
00:42:56,281 --> 00:42:59,534
I usually can think of
a lot of things to say.
810
00:42:59,826 --> 00:43:03,205
Suddenly I can't say anything.
811
00:43:03,497 --> 00:43:05,749
We had wonderful
times together,
812
00:43:06,041 --> 00:43:09,127
and I was drawn closer
and closer to her.
813
00:43:09,711 --> 00:43:13,882
Yes, I had heard
that Tab was homosexual.
814
00:43:15,550 --> 00:43:22,891
I think it was a soul-searching
period of time about his sexuality.
815
00:43:24,184 --> 00:43:26,770
It must have been very painful for him.
816
00:43:27,604 --> 00:43:34,569
You know, actors often...always...
have two faces.
817
00:43:37,989 --> 00:43:41,326
I did feel discomfort, and I
did feel a little bit of guilt
818
00:43:41,618 --> 00:43:42,869
also.
819
00:43:43,161 --> 00:43:45,872
But I did seriously think
of marrying Etchika.
820
00:43:48,041 --> 00:43:50,502
I was flattered
to have been chosen, of course.
821
00:43:51,586 --> 00:43:53,255
If I was to marry Tab,
822
00:43:53,547 --> 00:43:54,631
it would have been for love.
823
00:43:55,340 --> 00:43:56,883
I would inevitably have never
824
00:43:57,175 --> 00:43:59,136
accepted to share
him with someone else.
825
00:44:00,762 --> 00:44:02,848
And I certainly
would not have married him
826
00:44:03,140 --> 00:44:06,017
to protect him
and hide his homosexuality.
827
00:44:07,936 --> 00:44:10,188
I think Tab was too good of a man.
828
00:44:11,648 --> 00:44:13,900
He would have never accepted
such a thing.
829
00:44:15,402 --> 00:44:19,322
It would have been a lovely story
if it could have been rewritten.
830
00:44:22,534 --> 00:44:24,953
She went back to Paris.
831
00:44:25,245 --> 00:44:28,039
I just couldn't commit to her.
832
00:44:28,331 --> 00:44:32,794
It wouldn't have been
right to be with Etchika.
833
00:44:33,086 --> 00:44:37,549
I felt that if you were with
a man, you were sinning.
834
00:44:37,841 --> 00:44:40,802
And if you were with a
woman, you'd be lying.
835
00:44:47,475 --> 00:44:52,314
Tony and I met at the pool
of the Chateau Marmont.
836
00:44:52,606 --> 00:44:56,484
He was in California doing
"Friendly Persuasion."
837
00:44:56,776 --> 00:44:58,570
I don't want to die.
838
00:44:58,862 --> 00:45:01,823
I don't know if I could
kill anyone if I tried.
839
00:45:02,115 --> 00:45:03,033
He was a good actor.
840
00:45:03,325 --> 00:45:04,868
ANNOUNCER: What is there
about Tony Perkins that
841
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:06,995
made the young people
of America acclaim him
842
00:45:07,287 --> 00:45:09,331
as their star of the future?
843
00:45:09,623 --> 00:45:11,541
I'd been in the
business longer,
844
00:45:11,833 --> 00:45:15,712
but I respected the fact that
he'd done Broadway plays.
845
00:45:16,004 --> 00:45:18,465
I thought he was
very intelligent,
846
00:45:18,757 --> 00:45:21,551
and he was just fun to be with.
847
00:45:21,843 --> 00:45:23,720
We just kind of hit it off.
848
00:45:24,012 --> 00:45:25,305
[MUSIC- ANTHONY PERKINS,
"MOONLIGHT SWIM"]
849
00:45:29,267 --> 00:45:32,229
And I went up to
his room with him.
850
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:37,192
That's when Tony and I got
together for the first time.
851
00:45:37,484 --> 00:45:40,403
And that's when we
started seeing each other.
852
00:45:40,695 --> 00:45:43,114
When I first saw Tab
and Tony I knew that they
853
00:45:43,406 --> 00:45:45,492
were more than friends.
854
00:45:45,784 --> 00:45:47,077
It was pretty obvious.
855
00:45:50,038 --> 00:45:52,958
I had a wonderful
relationship with him.
856
00:45:53,250 --> 00:45:55,168
I did trust him.
857
00:45:55,460 --> 00:45:58,088
I was comfortable with him.
858
00:45:58,380 --> 00:46:01,049
Tony and Tab were
totally different.
859
00:46:01,341 --> 00:46:02,300
Tony was East Coast.
860
00:46:02,592 --> 00:46:05,053
Tab was West Coast.
861
00:46:05,345 --> 00:46:08,431
Tab was very macho.
862
00:46:08,723 --> 00:46:13,228
Tony was very
sensitive, introverted.
863
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,772
Well, I would see
him quite a lot.
864
00:46:16,064 --> 00:46:19,109
And he would stay to my place,
lived there for a while,
865
00:46:19,401 --> 00:46:21,736
got an apartment
around the corner.
866
00:46:22,028 --> 00:46:22,904
And then I would go back East.
867
00:46:23,196 --> 00:46:25,824
I'd say with Tony at his place.
868
00:46:26,116 --> 00:46:28,326
I knew that he was
very dedicated to being
869
00:46:28,618 --> 00:46:29,953
an actor in Hollywood.
870
00:46:30,245 --> 00:46:32,038
And the most promising
male star of tomorrow
871
00:46:32,330 --> 00:46:36,543
is the fine young
actor, Tony Perkins.
872
00:46:36,835 --> 00:46:39,546
TAB HUNTER: Tony was very
concerned about his image
873
00:46:39,838 --> 00:46:41,715
and doing the right thing.
874
00:46:42,007 --> 00:46:45,719
They would go to a lot of
pains not to be seen together.
875
00:46:46,011 --> 00:46:48,013
TAB HUNTER: At first, when
Tony and I used to go out,
876
00:46:48,305 --> 00:46:50,098
we would go out together.
877
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:51,975
But he would get recognized.
878
00:46:52,267 --> 00:46:53,977
I would get recognized.
879
00:46:54,269 --> 00:46:55,228
He felt very uncomfortable.
880
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,732
I always did too because
the idea of two young actors
881
00:46:59,024 --> 00:47:01,359
around together might
start some talk.
882
00:47:01,651 --> 00:47:02,527
(SINGING) Yes, I'm in love.
883
00:47:05,405 --> 00:47:07,324
Don't tell a soul.
884
00:47:07,615 --> 00:47:08,450
TAB HUNTER (SPEAKING):
Natalie Wood
885
00:47:08,742 --> 00:47:09,701
and I would go to a premiere.
886
00:47:09,993 --> 00:47:10,910
Then we'd go to
Ciro's afterwards.
887
00:47:11,202 --> 00:47:13,330
We'd be photographed dancing.
888
00:47:13,621 --> 00:47:15,707
Then we would leave, and
she'd go out the back door.
889
00:47:15,999 --> 00:47:18,043
She'd have a date
with Dennis Hopper.
890
00:47:18,335 --> 00:47:19,419
And I'd go see Tony.
891
00:47:19,711 --> 00:47:24,090
(SINGING) Shh, don't
let it get around.
892
00:47:24,382 --> 00:47:29,095
(SPEAKING) Tony and I did
go on couple dates together.
893
00:47:29,387 --> 00:47:32,015
Tab and Tony and I
went out together.
894
00:47:32,307 --> 00:47:34,684
I suppose I was a beard.
895
00:47:34,976 --> 00:47:36,853
But I was happy to
be a beard because we
896
00:47:37,145 --> 00:47:40,315
were having a good / I knew the
game, and we were playing it.
897
00:47:43,234 --> 00:47:46,863
In the fan magazines there would
being a picture of Tab and I.
898
00:47:47,155 --> 00:47:49,282
And then in the next page
there'd be a picture of Tony
899
00:47:49,574 --> 00:47:53,036
and I doing something else,
but never just Tab and Tony.
900
00:47:53,328 --> 00:47:55,205
(SINGING) Shh, don't
let it get around.
901
00:48:06,299 --> 00:48:09,886
I did feel that Tab and
Tony had a real relationship.
902
00:48:10,178 --> 00:48:12,472
I could see them together.
903
00:48:12,764 --> 00:48:14,599
But it was a painful
relationship,
904
00:48:14,891 --> 00:48:15,683
at least for Tony.
905
00:48:19,813 --> 00:48:24,150
Tony was more in love with
Tab than Tab was with him.
906
00:48:24,442 --> 00:48:27,153
Whenever Tab and Tony
got into a fight,
907
00:48:27,445 --> 00:48:30,407
Tony would come to
my house and cry
908
00:48:30,698 --> 00:48:33,910
on my shoulder about
how mean Tab was.
909
00:48:34,202 --> 00:48:37,997
My relationship with Tony, I
never discussed with anyone.
910
00:48:38,289 --> 00:48:40,250
And if one of my so-called
friends or my friends
911
00:48:40,542 --> 00:48:44,712
would mention it, I probably
would have gone berserk.
912
00:48:45,004 --> 00:48:46,381
I would have hated
it and denied it
913
00:48:46,673 --> 00:48:48,842
emphatically--
(EXPLOSION SOUND) where I
914
00:48:49,134 --> 00:48:50,969
could blow it up very quickly.
915
00:48:51,261 --> 00:48:53,096
Tony, as the audience
ovation indicates,
916
00:48:53,388 --> 00:48:55,557
your career is certainly
going full steam ahead.
917
00:48:55,849 --> 00:48:59,436
Tony was on his way to
being a pretty big star.
918
00:48:59,727 --> 00:49:03,982
Tony's career was most important
to him, more than anything.
919
00:49:04,274 --> 00:49:05,984
He could be extremely charming.
920
00:49:06,276 --> 00:49:08,403
But I think he had a
hidden agenda, as far
921
00:49:08,695 --> 00:49:11,781
as his career was concerned.
922
00:49:12,073 --> 00:49:17,620
You never really
knew Tony 100%.
923
00:49:17,912 --> 00:49:20,498
There was always
a secretive side,
924
00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:24,794
and he was a bit of a game
player with people's minds.
925
00:49:25,086 --> 00:49:25,837
Can't you see it's a brush-off?
926
00:49:26,129 --> 00:49:27,046
They're trying me
out at a position.
927
00:49:27,338 --> 00:49:28,423
They know I can't play it!
928
00:49:28,715 --> 00:49:30,383
Just as soon as I make a few
errors, they're gonna drop me!
929
00:49:30,675 --> 00:49:33,094
Can't you see it?
930
00:49:33,386 --> 00:49:35,472
TAB HUNTER: The first
live television show
931
00:49:35,763 --> 00:49:38,933
I did was "Fear Strikes Out."
932
00:49:39,225 --> 00:49:41,561
I played Jimmy Piersall.
933
00:49:41,853 --> 00:49:46,024
He was a ball player
who had mental problems.
934
00:49:46,316 --> 00:49:50,904
Tony caught my performance and
told me how much he liked it.
935
00:49:51,196 --> 00:49:52,739
I confided in Tony
that I wanted Warner
936
00:49:53,031 --> 00:49:56,493
Brothers to buy the project for
me to make a movie out of it.
937
00:49:56,784 --> 00:49:59,120
One evening we were playing
ping pong on a terrace,
938
00:49:59,412 --> 00:50:02,707
and he said, oh, by the
way, Paramount just bought
939
00:50:02,999 --> 00:50:05,418
"Fear Strikes Out" for me.
940
00:50:05,710 --> 00:50:07,545
And it just was like, whoa.
941
00:50:10,340 --> 00:50:11,841
He had mentioned
it to the studio,
942
00:50:12,133 --> 00:50:13,885
and they got it for him.
943
00:50:16,679 --> 00:50:19,557
He was a very ambitious young
man and a very fine actor
944
00:50:19,849 --> 00:50:21,809
and he should be working.
945
00:50:22,101 --> 00:50:28,816
But I did feel
betrayed by that move.
946
00:50:29,108 --> 00:50:32,153
When, Jimmy-- when that's
all you ever cared about.
947
00:50:32,445 --> 00:50:33,071
And you're killing me.
948
00:50:33,363 --> 00:50:34,447
You've been killing
me for years.
949
00:50:34,739 --> 00:50:35,782
Yes, you have.
And it's too much.
950
00:50:38,952 --> 00:50:41,412
He was very good in the film.
951
00:50:41,704 --> 00:50:44,374
But our relationship
was strained after that.
952
00:50:47,794 --> 00:50:50,672
He told me that
his studio didn't
953
00:50:50,964 --> 00:50:54,926
want him to see me anymore.
954
00:50:55,218 --> 00:50:57,679
We saw less and
less of each other,
955
00:50:57,971 --> 00:51:00,515
and we just sort of grew apart.
956
00:51:05,687 --> 00:51:10,233
"Damn Yankees" was
a huge Broadway hit.
957
00:51:10,525 --> 00:51:13,695
Jack Warner bought
"Damn Yankees" for me.
958
00:51:13,987 --> 00:51:16,614
It was the first really
good project for me
959
00:51:16,906 --> 00:51:18,992
from Warner Brothers.
960
00:51:19,284 --> 00:51:22,120
Jack Warner brought in
the whole New York cast,
961
00:51:22,412 --> 00:51:26,165
except for the lead, and
he wanted me to do that.
962
00:51:26,457 --> 00:51:28,751
I was the only outsider in it.
963
00:51:29,043 --> 00:51:31,713
It needed some
sparkle, which he had.
964
00:51:32,005 --> 00:51:33,715
What's the story on this kid?
965
00:51:34,007 --> 00:51:38,678
This Tab Hunter was
like a breath of spring.
966
00:51:38,970 --> 00:51:40,263
Wow!
967
00:51:40,555 --> 00:51:42,682
The director was George Abbott.
968
00:51:42,974 --> 00:51:45,226
He didn't want me at all.
969
00:51:45,518 --> 00:51:47,270
He wanted Don Murray.
970
00:51:47,562 --> 00:51:50,690
Warner said, I want you
to the use Tab Hunter.
971
00:51:50,982 --> 00:51:53,359
He's the biggest
star at my studio.
972
00:51:53,651 --> 00:51:56,154
Every one of his
pictures is popular.
973
00:51:56,446 --> 00:51:58,448
Tab was certainly at
the top of his game.
974
00:52:01,492 --> 00:52:04,412
George Abbott and
I did not get along.
975
00:52:04,704 --> 00:52:06,331
The first time I met him
was at the read through.
976
00:52:06,623 --> 00:52:09,042
The whole New York
cast was sitting there.
977
00:52:09,334 --> 00:52:11,169
And after I read a
few lines, he said,
978
00:52:11,461 --> 00:52:13,171
I want you to read it like this.
979
00:52:13,463 --> 00:52:16,174
And he gave me a line reading,
which actors do not like.
980
00:52:16,466 --> 00:52:18,760
I want to exercise the escape
clause which is to take place
981
00:52:19,052 --> 00:52:21,638
on the 24th, which is today.
982
00:52:21,929 --> 00:52:25,224
So I read it the
way he wanted me to.
983
00:52:25,516 --> 00:52:27,018
We went on, and he
stopped me about two
984
00:52:27,310 --> 00:52:29,062
or three or four times.
985
00:52:29,354 --> 00:52:32,273
And finally, I just
had had enough.
986
00:52:32,565 --> 00:52:34,692
So I stopped, and I said, Mr.
Abbott, from what I gather,
987
00:52:34,984 --> 00:52:35,985
you'd like me to do
it the way Stephen
988
00:52:36,277 --> 00:52:37,820
Douglas did it on Broadway.
989
00:52:38,112 --> 00:52:38,613
He said, yes, yes.
990
00:52:38,905 --> 00:52:39,697
That's exactly
what I would like.
991
00:52:39,989 --> 00:52:41,908
I said, well, I
thought Stephen Douglas
992
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:47,789
had a magnificent voice, but
I thought he was a real stick.
993
00:52:48,081 --> 00:52:49,832
If I play the
character, first of all,
994
00:52:50,124 --> 00:52:52,210
he's got to be human being.
995
00:52:52,502 --> 00:52:54,295
That was the wrong
thing to tell him.
996
00:52:54,587 --> 00:52:56,756
Oh, I'm honest, but,
uh, I'm dumb too.
997
00:52:57,048 --> 00:53:00,301
He closed his script, said,
thank you all very much.
998
00:53:00,593 --> 00:53:04,263
He got up and left the room,
and I was fired off the picture.
999
00:53:04,555 --> 00:53:06,516
Jack Warner went
to Abbott and said,
1000
00:53:06,808 --> 00:53:07,684
I bought it for Tab Hunter.
1001
00:53:07,975 --> 00:53:09,310
Tab Hunter's going to do it.
1002
00:53:09,602 --> 00:53:11,896
You don't say no to Jack Warner.
1003
00:53:12,188 --> 00:53:12,855
OK, you win.
1004
00:53:13,147 --> 00:53:14,232
Get a uniform.
- You mean it?
1005
00:53:14,524 --> 00:53:15,274
- I mean it.
- Wow!
1006
00:53:15,566 --> 00:53:16,067
I made it!
1007
00:53:16,359 --> 00:53:17,026
(LAUGHING)
1008
00:53:17,318 --> 00:53:18,861
So I did the film,
but it was difficult,
1009
00:53:19,153 --> 00:53:21,948
knowing that he'd never wanted
me right from the start.
1010
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:29,956
(SINGING) Whatever
Lola wants, Lola gets.
1011
00:53:30,248 --> 00:53:34,043
And Gwen Verdon-- Gwen
always called me like a New
1012
00:53:34,335 --> 00:53:35,962
York cab driver-- Tab Huntah.
1013
00:53:36,254 --> 00:53:37,964
(LAUGHING) I loved it.
1014
00:53:40,591 --> 00:53:43,177
The choreographer
was Bobby Fosse.
1015
00:53:43,469 --> 00:53:46,180
You can't get any
better than that.
1016
00:53:46,472 --> 00:53:48,349
Bobby Fosse made me
look like I could dance,
1017
00:53:48,641 --> 00:53:49,517
even though I have
two left feet.
1018
00:53:49,809 --> 00:53:51,561
And he said, don't
worry about it, Tab.
1019
00:53:51,853 --> 00:53:52,478
You'll be fine.
1020
00:53:52,770 --> 00:53:54,063
You see, Mr., uh, Mr.--
1021
00:53:54,355 --> 00:53:56,899
Uh, Hardy-- uh, Joe Hardy.
1022
00:53:57,191 --> 00:54:01,279
I just felt like I wanted
to take him in my arms.
1023
00:54:01,571 --> 00:54:04,574
Well, he was perfect
for the role.
1024
00:54:04,866 --> 00:54:06,492
He was delicious
in it, and I think
1025
00:54:06,784 --> 00:54:09,662
that Mr. Abbott was very very
satisfied with him ultimately.
1026
00:54:09,954 --> 00:54:11,080
All right, a carton
of Winstons, and Tab,
1027
00:54:11,372 --> 00:54:12,540
thanks a million.
- Thank you very much.
1028
00:54:14,542 --> 00:54:18,129
He was always, always
trying to be better.
1029
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,217
Probably at that time his
looks got in the way a bit.
1030
00:54:23,509 --> 00:54:26,596
I've had a great
evening. really I have.
1031
00:54:26,888 --> 00:54:28,347
I'll never forget it.
1032
00:54:28,639 --> 00:54:31,225
The era that Tab
got kind of stuck in
1033
00:54:31,517 --> 00:54:34,729
was that era when we were all
very attracted to the Brando
1034
00:54:35,021 --> 00:54:37,440
angst and the Jimmy Dean angst.
1035
00:54:37,732 --> 00:54:41,235
You're tearing me apart!
1036
00:54:41,527 --> 00:54:44,697
TAB HUNTER: Warner Brothers
had Jimmy as the rebel,
1037
00:54:44,989 --> 00:54:46,616
and they had me as
the all-American boy.
1038
00:54:46,908 --> 00:54:49,994
So they had their bases covered.
1039
00:54:50,286 --> 00:54:52,497
They did discuss me for the
Jimmy Dean role in "Rebel
1040
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:56,292
Without a Cause."
1041
00:54:56,584 --> 00:54:59,003
Can you imagine that? (LAUGHING)
1042
00:54:59,295 --> 00:55:01,714
He didn't get the opportunities
with some of those parts
1043
00:55:02,006 --> 00:55:03,549
that he could've done very well.
1044
00:55:03,841 --> 00:55:07,053
And they were terribly
complicated people.
1045
00:55:07,345 --> 00:55:08,554
And one of the great
assets of Tab Hunter
1046
00:55:08,846 --> 00:55:10,306
was the fact that he
didn't look like a terribly
1047
00:55:10,598 --> 00:55:12,433
complicated person.
1048
00:55:12,725 --> 00:55:15,686
You know, it's a curse
and it's a blessing
1049
00:55:15,978 --> 00:55:19,941
to have that kind of career
where they think that you are
1050
00:55:20,233 --> 00:55:23,486
that infectious smile or
you are that person that
1051
00:55:23,778 --> 00:55:26,531
jumps off the screen to them.
1052
00:55:26,823 --> 00:55:30,034
Tab had a very
difficult time trying
1053
00:55:30,326 --> 00:55:36,123
to prove that behind this
face there really is a talent.
1054
00:55:36,415 --> 00:55:41,587
ANNOUNCER: Playhouse 90,
tonight starring Tab Hunter.
1055
00:55:41,879 --> 00:55:43,840
TAB HUNTER: The director
Arthur Penn said, there's
1056
00:55:44,131 --> 00:55:45,758
a great script I've just read.
1057
00:55:46,050 --> 00:55:48,469
It was called "Portrait
of a Murderer."
1058
00:55:48,761 --> 00:55:50,137
He said, will you do it?
1059
00:55:50,429 --> 00:55:52,682
I said, oh, I don't think so.
1060
00:55:52,974 --> 00:55:55,017
Live television?
1061
00:55:55,309 --> 00:55:58,229
That would clear
the hell out of me.
1062
00:55:58,521 --> 00:56:00,940
I was awfully guilty of
saying, I can't do that,
1063
00:56:01,232 --> 00:56:03,150
or I'm afraid to do this.
1064
00:56:03,442 --> 00:56:04,402
But you've just got
to go (SPLASHING
1065
00:56:04,694 --> 00:56:06,279
SOUND) take the plunge.
1066
00:56:06,571 --> 00:56:09,031
ANNOUNCER: "Portrait
of a Murderer,"
1067
00:56:09,323 --> 00:56:11,242
directed by Arthur Penn.
1068
00:56:11,534 --> 00:56:16,080
It was the true story
of Donald Bashor a man
1069
00:56:16,372 --> 00:56:20,543
who committed burglaries
and murdered these people.
1070
00:56:20,835 --> 00:56:22,962
It was a very powerful
piece of material.
1071
00:56:23,254 --> 00:56:24,380
Put than back right now.
1072
00:56:24,672 --> 00:56:25,381
I'm calling the police.
1073
00:56:25,673 --> 00:56:27,967
You're going to get arrested
for breaking and-- ah!
1074
00:56:28,259 --> 00:56:28,885
Oh!
1075
00:56:35,766 --> 00:56:38,978
He was frightening--
really frightening.
1076
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:41,272
He played it so well
because it seemed to be
1077
00:56:41,564 --> 00:56:44,358
going against his own persona.
1078
00:56:44,650 --> 00:56:47,361
Here was Geraldine page from
the Actor's Studio in New York.
1079
00:56:47,653 --> 00:56:49,947
It was a whole different
way of working.
1080
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:51,991
Tab kept up with her.
1081
00:56:52,283 --> 00:56:53,618
But I don't want to
bring you bad luck.
1082
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:54,410
Bad luck?
1083
00:56:54,702 --> 00:56:56,704
You're my good
luck, my best luck.
1084
00:56:56,996 --> 00:56:58,331
This was big time.
1085
00:56:58,623 --> 00:57:03,377
This wasn't just some teenage
heartthrob who got a break.
1086
00:57:03,669 --> 00:57:04,503
Oh, I was proud of that show.
1087
00:57:04,795 --> 00:57:06,547
It was a good show.
1088
00:57:06,839 --> 00:57:08,674
Television was giving
me the opportunity
1089
00:57:08,966 --> 00:57:12,386
to do things that I could
not do in motion pictures,
1090
00:57:12,678 --> 00:57:16,182
with the most creative
people in the industry,
1091
00:57:16,474 --> 00:57:18,351
directors like
Sidney Lumet, John
1092
00:57:18,643 --> 00:57:21,395
Frankenheimer,
really good actors
1093
00:57:21,687 --> 00:57:24,231
and actresses and good writers.
1094
00:57:24,523 --> 00:57:27,276
I loved live television.
1095
00:57:27,568 --> 00:57:28,611
ANNOUNCER: Tab Hunter.
1096
00:57:28,903 --> 00:57:30,821
Then it started
to click, where he
1097
00:57:31,113 --> 00:57:34,325
was getting cast in
things that made sense,
1098
00:57:34,617 --> 00:57:36,577
and he was no longer a joke.
1099
00:57:36,869 --> 00:57:37,370
Come on!
1100
00:57:37,662 --> 00:57:38,162
Just me brand them.
1101
00:57:38,454 --> 00:57:41,165
I told you to
put that gun away.
1102
00:57:41,457 --> 00:57:44,377
Yes, sir.
1103
00:57:44,669 --> 00:57:49,298
I'd played heavy on
television but never in a film.
1104
00:57:49,590 --> 00:57:51,842
It just was such
a good character.
1105
00:57:52,134 --> 00:57:53,552
It's a pathetic.
1106
00:57:53,844 --> 00:57:56,347
From now on, I'm going my
own way, me, Ed Hackett.
1107
00:57:56,639 --> 00:57:58,265
He's a complete psychopath.
1108
00:57:58,557 --> 00:57:59,892
I'm giving you an order.
1109
00:58:00,184 --> 00:58:01,394
You can go to hell!
1110
00:58:01,686 --> 00:58:02,603
He's a racist.
1111
00:58:02,895 --> 00:58:05,314
You mean to tell me you'd
marry that no-good half breed?
1112
00:58:05,606 --> 00:58:06,649
He's a murderer.
1113
00:58:06,941 --> 00:58:08,359
Mister, you made a mistake
in pulling that gun.
1114
00:58:12,071 --> 00:58:13,572
He's just waiting to explode.
1115
00:58:16,283 --> 00:58:20,287
Of all the films I've done,
"Gunman's Walk" was some
1116
00:58:20,579 --> 00:58:23,791
of my best work as an actor.
1117
00:58:24,083 --> 00:58:29,630
After "Gunman's Walk," Hollywood
started to see me in a new way.
1118
00:58:29,922 --> 00:58:33,592
I started getting cast in
some very nice productions--
1119
00:58:33,884 --> 00:58:38,764
"They Came to Cordura," with
Gary Cooper and Rita Hayworth,
1120
00:58:39,056 --> 00:58:40,266
"The Pleasure of His
Company," with Fred
1121
00:58:40,558 --> 00:58:43,894
Astaire and Debbie Reynolds,
"That Kind of Woman,"
1122
00:58:44,186 --> 00:58:46,230
with Sophia Loren.
1123
00:58:46,522 --> 00:58:49,650
These wonderful films were not
being made at Warner Brothers,
1124
00:58:49,942 --> 00:58:51,569
where I was under contract.
1125
00:58:51,861 --> 00:58:57,116
Warners would loan me out
for like $250,000 a picture.
1126
00:58:57,408 --> 00:58:59,118
Then they would pay
me my regular Warner
1127
00:58:59,410 --> 00:59:04,331
Brothers weekly salary, and they
would pocket the difference.
1128
00:59:04,623 --> 00:59:08,794
I was getting a little
upset about that.
1129
00:59:09,086 --> 00:59:11,213
The two films that
Natalie and I did together
1130
00:59:11,505 --> 00:59:13,758
were both big hits.
1131
00:59:14,050 --> 00:59:17,053
So the studio went and put
us together in another film.
1132
00:59:17,344 --> 00:59:21,098
Well, I read the script, and
I thought, I can't do this.
1133
00:59:21,390 --> 00:59:24,018
I turned it down because
I knew what I liked,
1134
00:59:24,310 --> 00:59:26,979
knew what I didn't like,
and I wanted to grow.
1135
00:59:27,271 --> 00:59:28,981
I'm not a puppet.
1136
00:59:29,273 --> 00:59:33,235
So I asked the studio
for my release.
1137
00:59:33,527 --> 00:59:34,779
Well, needless to say,
Jack Warner wasn't
1138
00:59:35,071 --> 00:59:38,282
about to have that happen.
1139
00:59:38,574 --> 00:59:41,160
And I said, well, Mr. Warner,
how much would it cost?
1140
00:59:41,452 --> 00:59:43,496
And he said, if
you want out, you
1141
00:59:43,788 --> 00:59:48,667
pay us $100,000 for the
remainder of your contract.
1142
00:59:48,959 --> 00:59:52,505
That was a lot of money,
like a couple million today.
1143
00:59:52,797 --> 00:59:56,133
But to express myself and
be my own person, I figured,
1144
00:59:56,425 --> 00:59:58,719
I've got to do it.
1145
00:59:59,011 --> 01:00:02,807
Products of Hollywood
are interchangeable
1146
01:00:03,099 --> 01:00:05,518
and ultimately replaceable.
1147
01:00:05,810 --> 01:00:07,103
Get outta here, Dad.
1148
01:00:07,394 --> 01:00:11,607
If you weren't half
drunk I'd throw you out.
1149
01:00:11,899 --> 01:00:14,777
Troy Donahue was a young actor.
1150
01:00:15,069 --> 01:00:17,321
He was one of Henry's clients.
1151
01:00:17,613 --> 01:00:19,865
Actually, Henry Wilson tried
to stick me with that name
1152
01:00:20,157 --> 01:00:21,659
before they gave me Tab Hunter.
1153
01:00:24,328 --> 01:00:26,247
Warner Brothers was trying
to make Troy Donahue
1154
01:00:26,539 --> 01:00:28,541
in the image of Tab Hunter.
1155
01:00:28,833 --> 01:00:30,960
They started building
Troy's career
1156
01:00:31,252 --> 01:00:34,797
and have him a very good career.
1157
01:00:35,089 --> 01:00:37,383
You've been a good old wagon,
but you done broke down.
1158
01:00:37,675 --> 01:00:39,969
(WHISTLING SOUND) You're out,
and somebody else is in there.
1159
01:00:42,638 --> 01:00:46,642
Leaving Warner Brothers
was career suicide.
1160
01:00:46,934 --> 01:00:49,019
I thought there'd be opportunity
for me at other studios,
1161
01:00:49,311 --> 01:00:53,440
but that was not the case.
1162
01:00:53,732 --> 01:00:56,944
The days of studio
contracts were over.
1163
01:00:57,236 --> 01:01:01,490
I was now a freelance
actor on my own,
1164
01:01:01,782 --> 01:01:06,120
and my primary concern was
taking care of my mother.
1165
01:01:06,412 --> 01:01:07,830
I had a lot of responsibilities.
1166
01:01:08,122 --> 01:01:11,667
And it was tough to keep
your head above water.
1167
01:01:11,959 --> 01:01:13,335
I would do anything
to pay down my debt.
1168
01:01:13,627 --> 01:01:17,506
ANNOUNCER: "Operation
Bikini," starring Tab Hunter.
1169
01:01:17,798 --> 01:01:21,218
My career was really
drying up in Hollywood.
1170
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:24,180
So I would take
whatever was available.
1171
01:01:24,471 --> 01:01:27,183
I was no longer looking for
the keys to the kingdom.
1172
01:01:27,474 --> 01:01:30,686
ANNOUNCER: "The Golden
Arrow," starring Tab Hunter.
1173
01:01:30,978 --> 01:01:35,649
Well, not many actors can say
that they rode a flying carpet.
1174
01:01:35,941 --> 01:01:38,861
When you have to live
and you need a job,
1175
01:01:39,153 --> 01:01:40,196
you'll accept what's there.
1176
01:01:40,487 --> 01:01:41,822
ANNOUNCER: Tab
Hunter in a dual role
1177
01:01:42,114 --> 01:01:46,994
as a heroic security officer
and a treacherous enemy agent.
1178
01:01:47,286 --> 01:01:51,290
"Birds Do It," with Soupy
Sales, that's a winner.
1179
01:01:51,582 --> 01:01:53,292
ANNOUNCER: Tab
Hunter is Steamer.
1180
01:01:53,584 --> 01:01:56,212
He goes all the way for
everything Hawaiian.
1181
01:01:56,503 --> 01:01:58,047
To this day, people are
still coming up and saying,
1182
01:01:58,339 --> 01:02:01,383
oh, I loved you in all
those beach movies!
1183
01:02:01,675 --> 01:02:03,344
I only did one.
1184
01:02:03,636 --> 01:02:05,638
That was "Ride the Wild Surf."
1185
01:02:05,930 --> 01:02:08,682
Everybody kept thinking
of me as this surfer.
1186
01:02:08,974 --> 01:02:10,476
And at that point, I
felt that I was a little
1187
01:02:10,768 --> 01:02:12,436
long in the tooth for that one.
1188
01:02:12,728 --> 01:02:15,814
I was 32 at the time.
1189
01:02:16,106 --> 01:02:20,069
They would have a son a little
Red Flyer wagon on our knees
1190
01:02:20,361 --> 01:02:24,240
with process shot behind us
of this mountainous wave.
1191
01:02:24,531 --> 01:02:25,783
And then a prop man
would be in front of us
1192
01:02:26,075 --> 01:02:29,078
with a bucket of water going
splash-splash, splash-splash.
1193
01:02:29,370 --> 01:02:31,163
Someone point me
toward the nearest bank.
1194
01:02:31,455 --> 01:02:33,999
This was called paying
the bills and keep working.
1195
01:02:34,291 --> 01:02:35,501
That's what it's all about.
1196
01:02:35,793 --> 01:02:37,670
ANNOUNCER: "The
Tab Hunter Show--"
1197
01:02:37,962 --> 01:02:39,797
The television
series that I did,
1198
01:02:40,089 --> 01:02:41,674
this was bottom of the barrel.
1199
01:02:41,966 --> 01:02:43,175
But that's impossible.
1200
01:02:43,467 --> 01:02:46,637
This so-called comedy wound
up with a director who would
1201
01:02:46,929 --> 01:02:47,930
say to us, come on, come on.
1202
01:02:48,222 --> 01:02:48,722
Faster!
1203
01:02:49,014 --> 01:02:49,598
Faster!
1204
01:02:49,890 --> 01:02:52,059
Fast is funny, but
faster is funnier.
1205
01:02:52,351 --> 01:02:53,602
When do you meet her?
1206
01:02:53,894 --> 01:02:55,729
Right now.
1207
01:02:56,021 --> 01:02:57,439
It was really bad stuff.
1208
01:02:57,731 --> 01:02:59,316
The bloom came off the rose.
1209
01:02:59,608 --> 01:03:01,068
My career was going
(WHISTLING SOUND).
1210
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:02,111
Beat it, Tab.
1211
01:03:02,403 --> 01:03:04,280
Can't you see I'm busy?
1212
01:03:04,571 --> 01:03:06,740
Without the protection
of the studio,
1213
01:03:07,032 --> 01:03:11,245
my boy-next-door image
was in total free fall.
1214
01:03:11,537 --> 01:03:16,417
People could say and write
what they wanted, and they did.
1215
01:03:16,709 --> 01:03:19,169
If I had still been
under contract,
1216
01:03:19,461 --> 01:03:23,132
they'd have nailed it like that.
1217
01:03:23,424 --> 01:03:28,554
I was sick of Hollywood,
sick of the media,
1218
01:03:28,846 --> 01:03:30,806
and I had just about
lost faith in everything.
1219
01:03:37,104 --> 01:03:41,650
As I was doing films, I would
always run back to the stable.
1220
01:03:41,942 --> 01:03:44,945
The thing about being
alone on a horse,
1221
01:03:45,237 --> 01:03:49,825
it helps you divorce
yourself from yourself
1222
01:03:50,117 --> 01:03:51,410
because you're
working with an animal
1223
01:03:51,702 --> 01:03:54,538
that has a life of its own.
1224
01:03:54,830 --> 01:03:58,584
It's a marriage that's
quite marvelous.
1225
01:03:58,876 --> 01:04:01,795
I found that my touch of reality
in that unrealistic world
1226
01:04:02,087 --> 01:04:02,713
of Hollywood.
1227
01:04:06,133 --> 01:04:08,510
He was riding a jumper.
1228
01:04:08,802 --> 01:04:12,514
I was in awe of him
because of how he rode.
1229
01:04:12,806 --> 01:04:15,809
I was standing at the back gate,
and we just started talking.
1230
01:04:16,101 --> 01:04:17,978
I didn't know who he was.
1231
01:04:18,270 --> 01:04:21,106
And he asked me questions
like, do I ride?
1232
01:04:21,398 --> 01:04:25,152
And I said, oh, yeah,
I grew up on a horse.
1233
01:04:25,444 --> 01:04:26,904
He said, do you
ride jumping horses?
1234
01:04:27,196 --> 01:04:28,655
And I said, no,
I've not done that,
1235
01:04:28,947 --> 01:04:31,992
but the thought appeals to me.
1236
01:04:32,284 --> 01:04:35,662
And he said, I'd be willing
to teach you some jumping.
1237
01:04:35,954 --> 01:04:37,790
So I took him up on it.
1238
01:04:38,082 --> 01:04:42,544
And so we became
friends after that.
1239
01:04:42,836 --> 01:04:44,421
He didn't have
all the trappings,
1240
01:04:44,713 --> 01:04:48,050
I didn't think, that
a star would have.
1241
01:04:48,342 --> 01:04:49,635
He was very real person.
1242
01:04:55,557 --> 01:04:59,353
It was the first long-term
relationship that I ever had.
1243
01:04:59,645 --> 01:05:01,522
We were together for
about seven years.
1244
01:05:05,859 --> 01:05:08,362
Hollywood turned
their back on him.
1245
01:05:08,654 --> 01:05:13,700
And I realized what it must
be like to be very popular
1246
01:05:13,992 --> 01:05:17,871
and to be very unpopular.
1247
01:05:18,163 --> 01:05:20,541
I certainly
commiserated with him.
1248
01:05:20,833 --> 01:05:23,252
But he didn't ever want
to talk about it much.
1249
01:05:23,544 --> 01:05:25,295
ANNOUNCER: Tab has been
out of town for a while.
1250
01:05:25,587 --> 01:05:28,549
Now he's back, just horsing
around, waiting for the day
1251
01:05:28,841 --> 01:05:30,592
he's discovered again.
1252
01:05:30,884 --> 01:05:33,679
I was very concerned.
1253
01:05:33,971 --> 01:05:38,392
So I bought space in "Variety"
to just tell people hello.
1254
01:05:38,684 --> 01:05:40,102
Is there any possibility
of you getting
1255
01:05:40,394 --> 01:05:41,770
job somewhere around here?
1256
01:05:42,062 --> 01:05:43,188
I just wanted people
to know that I wasn't
1257
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:45,107
dead, that I'm still alive.
1258
01:05:45,399 --> 01:05:47,901
And a couple responses-- really
sweet people-- said, yeah,
1259
01:05:48,193 --> 01:05:50,154
get lost, or yeah, drop dead.
1260
01:05:50,446 --> 01:05:53,282
Tab Hunter, who was every
high school girl's idea
1261
01:05:53,574 --> 01:05:55,409
of a dream boat--
he was a boy who
1262
01:05:55,701 --> 01:05:57,619
never seemed to get any older.
1263
01:05:57,911 --> 01:05:59,496
Well, he has.
1264
01:05:59,788 --> 01:06:02,416
Well, I might as well have
been a relic from the silent era
1265
01:06:02,708 --> 01:06:04,168
because people
wanted real people
1266
01:06:04,460 --> 01:06:09,131
in real situations, no more
Hollywood made-up personas.
1267
01:06:09,423 --> 01:06:10,966
We want to be free to ride
our machines without being
1268
01:06:11,258 --> 01:06:11,925
hassled by the man.
1269
01:06:14,344 --> 01:06:16,889
TAB HUNTER: The new actors
were anti-establishment,
1270
01:06:17,181 --> 01:06:21,059
and I was apple pie
and All-American.
1271
01:06:21,351 --> 01:06:23,187
It would have
taken some director
1272
01:06:23,479 --> 01:06:26,690
to give him the kind of a
part that would make everybody
1273
01:06:26,982 --> 01:06:29,067
look at him in a new way.
1274
01:06:29,359 --> 01:06:31,320
In order to make the
change, he would have had
1275
01:06:31,612 --> 01:06:34,990
to do something really radical.
1276
01:06:35,282 --> 01:06:37,409
This was a low-budget
horror film--
1277
01:06:38,994 --> 01:06:41,497
--made on a show string.
1278
01:06:41,788 --> 01:06:44,625
It needed a very
handsome debonair man
1279
01:06:44,917 --> 01:06:46,418
who would love women to death.
1280
01:06:50,672 --> 01:06:52,382
Tab Hunter would
be the last person
1281
01:06:52,674 --> 01:06:55,093
you would expect to do that.
1282
01:06:55,385 --> 01:06:59,515
TAB HUNTER: "Sweet Kill"
was certainly way out there.
1283
01:06:59,806 --> 01:07:03,519
I did it because the movie roles
were just not coming along.
1284
01:07:06,939 --> 01:07:10,609
Tab was so much a part
of that Eisenhower era.
1285
01:07:10,901 --> 01:07:14,738
The '50s, as an era, was
repudiated in the '60s.
1286
01:07:15,030 --> 01:07:16,448
Young people are
the only people
1287
01:07:16,740 --> 01:07:18,784
in this whole country that
have saved the soul of America.
1288
01:07:23,497 --> 01:07:26,708
It was a completely
changed world.
1289
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:31,922
America was at war with itself
as well as at war with Vietnam.
1290
01:07:34,841 --> 01:07:39,096
My brother was in military
medical evacuations.
1291
01:07:39,388 --> 01:07:41,765
He had joined the Navy.
1292
01:07:42,057 --> 01:07:46,103
He wound up in Vietnam,
as so many young men did.
1293
01:07:49,106 --> 01:07:53,068
I was at a horse show at the
Cow Palace in San Francisco.
1294
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:55,404
And I was sitting on my horse
at the back gate waiting
1295
01:07:55,696 --> 01:07:57,864
for the announcer to
announce my horse Nob Hill
1296
01:07:58,156 --> 01:08:01,243
and myself for the next
entry into the arena.
1297
01:08:01,535 --> 01:08:03,662
And I saw a man in
military uniform coming,
1298
01:08:03,954 --> 01:08:10,711
and he walked over to me, and
he said, are you Art Gelien?
1299
01:08:11,003 --> 01:08:16,258
I just want to tell you your
brother was Killed in Vietnam.
1300
01:08:16,550 --> 01:08:18,468
I thought, why him?
1301
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:20,262
Why not me?
1302
01:08:20,554 --> 01:08:21,847
Walt was married, and
he had seven children.
1303
01:08:25,350 --> 01:08:30,731
I remember taking the moment,
closing my eyes, and saying,
1304
01:08:31,023 --> 01:08:34,860
Walt, I'm gonna win
this class for you.
1305
01:08:37,529 --> 01:08:39,072
And my horse won the
class that night.
1306
01:08:41,992 --> 01:08:45,537
And then afterwards I
went back to the barn.
1307
01:08:45,829 --> 01:08:51,335
And when I was in the stall with
my horse, I totally lost it.
1308
01:08:51,627 --> 01:08:54,713
I was scared of my own shadow.
1309
01:08:55,005 --> 01:08:57,507
My brother was the one who
opened the doors of life
1310
01:08:57,799 --> 01:08:59,968
for me.
1311
01:09:00,260 --> 01:09:01,678
I really looked
up to him so much.
1312
01:09:08,435 --> 01:09:13,148
My mother was very stoic
about my brother's death.
1313
01:09:13,440 --> 01:09:17,778
She was getting better,
but it took a while.
1314
01:09:18,070 --> 01:09:19,529
I was very concerned
about her well-being,
1315
01:09:19,821 --> 01:09:21,990
and I would see her a great
deal more than I had when I was
1316
01:09:22,282 --> 01:09:25,118
running around with the movies.
1317
01:09:25,410 --> 01:09:28,497
I found her a little
apartment in Long Beach.
1318
01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:30,248
Whatever she need, I
would be there for her.
1319
01:09:33,377 --> 01:09:36,505
Well, I made a promise to my
mother to take care of her.
1320
01:09:36,797 --> 01:09:39,758
And I definitely was
going to keep it.
1321
01:09:40,050 --> 01:09:42,344
I had to create
work in some way.
1322
01:09:44,971 --> 01:09:46,264
I discovered dinner theater.
1323
01:09:48,934 --> 01:09:52,020
Dinner theater was a place where
people could come and stuff
1324
01:09:52,312 --> 01:09:55,232
their faces, then sit back,
and while they were getting
1325
01:09:55,524 --> 01:09:59,861
to belch, watch the show they
you were doing. (LAUGHING)
1326
01:10:00,153 --> 01:10:03,156
They were becoming
very, very popular.
1327
01:10:03,448 --> 01:10:07,202
There was a stigma attached
to working dinner theaters.
1328
01:10:07,494 --> 01:10:13,083
They said that it was the place
that old actors went to die.
1329
01:10:13,375 --> 01:10:14,710
I was making more
money at dinner theater
1330
01:10:15,001 --> 01:10:17,504
than I was waiting for a picture
now and then in Hollywood,
1331
01:10:17,796 --> 01:10:20,424
that's for sure--
six weeks here,
1332
01:10:20,716 --> 01:10:25,303
eight weeks there, four weeks
here, all over the country.
1333
01:10:25,595 --> 01:10:29,266
I felt I had to keep going once
you put yourself in that gear.
1334
01:10:29,558 --> 01:10:33,061
I was on the road constantly.
1335
01:10:33,353 --> 01:10:34,604
INTERVIEWER: Your
story in "Here Lies
1336
01:10:34,896 --> 01:10:36,314
Jeremy Troy," which
is at the Grand
1337
01:10:36,606 --> 01:10:37,482
Dinner Theater in Anaheim--
1338
01:10:37,774 --> 01:10:38,275
That's right.
1339
01:10:38,567 --> 01:10:39,359
We'll be there for eight weeks.
1340
01:10:39,651 --> 01:10:41,945
It's right opposite the
entrance to Disneyland.
1341
01:10:42,237 --> 01:10:46,658
It's a very lonely,
lonely existence.
1342
01:10:46,950 --> 01:10:48,952
You perform in front
of 1,500 people,
1343
01:10:49,244 --> 01:10:52,998
and you go home to a hotel
room in the middle of nowhere
1344
01:10:53,290 --> 01:10:55,417
by yourself.
1345
01:10:55,709 --> 01:10:59,379
Working at dinner theater
was very exhausting.
1346
01:10:59,671 --> 01:11:03,216
And doing that every single
night took a toll on me.
1347
01:11:03,508 --> 01:11:05,010
I wore myself right
into the ground
1348
01:11:05,302 --> 01:11:08,305
to the point of where
I had a heart attack.
1349
01:11:08,597 --> 01:11:12,267
I was sure that it
could be the end.
1350
01:11:16,146 --> 01:11:18,565
I was wondering if I was
going to be able to make it,
1351
01:11:18,857 --> 01:11:21,693
and I was praying a lot.
1352
01:11:21,985 --> 01:11:25,781
I did give up dinner
theater after that.
1353
01:11:26,072 --> 01:11:28,825
I learned to try to relax a bit.
1354
01:11:29,117 --> 01:11:31,453
I learned to be grateful
for every moment
1355
01:11:31,745 --> 01:11:32,454
and thankful-- thankful.
1356
01:11:38,668 --> 01:11:40,962
I love the church.
1357
01:11:41,254 --> 01:11:43,215
I love my religion.
1358
01:11:43,507 --> 01:11:46,718
But I still just felt
like I was such an outcast
1359
01:11:47,010 --> 01:11:47,677
because of my sexuality.
1360
01:11:52,140 --> 01:11:53,642
It took a long time for
me to find my way back.
1361
01:11:57,354 --> 01:11:59,689
It was so peaceful,
and it was so important
1362
01:11:59,981 --> 01:12:04,110
that I try to be a part of it.
1363
01:12:04,402 --> 01:12:07,864
And I struck up a conversation
with a priest who I felt
1364
01:12:08,156 --> 01:12:10,909
I can really communicate with.
1365
01:12:11,201 --> 01:12:12,828
I told him I was a
Catholic, and I told him I
1366
01:12:13,119 --> 01:12:17,040
had some terrible reservations.
1367
01:12:17,332 --> 01:12:19,209
He was so receptive.
1368
01:12:19,501 --> 01:12:23,463
And he really made me
feel better about myself.
1369
01:12:26,258 --> 01:12:32,681
He was discovering something
about his own truth.
1370
01:12:32,973 --> 01:12:37,394
For a man to have to live
in someone else's presuming
1371
01:12:37,686 --> 01:12:43,191
about who you should love,
how do you ever know yourself?
1372
01:12:43,483 --> 01:12:47,195
He was going to go where
his heart told him to go.
1373
01:12:49,906 --> 01:12:54,870
By going back to my church
and my beliefs, that really,
1374
01:12:55,161 --> 01:13:00,041
really helped me through
a very difficult period.
1375
01:13:00,333 --> 01:13:04,629
And little by little, I just
felt the weight of the world
1376
01:13:04,921 --> 01:13:06,006
was lifted from me.
1377
01:13:14,431 --> 01:13:16,308
I knew Tab is an
image, you know?
1378
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:18,643
And that was the thing that
was so very important to me
1379
01:13:18,935 --> 01:13:21,271
and why I so much wanted
him to be in Polyester."
1380
01:13:21,563 --> 01:13:23,189
It's Todd, honey.
1381
01:13:23,481 --> 01:13:24,274
Todd?
1382
01:13:24,566 --> 01:13:25,734
Todd Tomorrow?
1383
01:13:26,026 --> 01:13:28,069
John Waters called me up
on the telephone and said,
1384
01:13:28,361 --> 01:13:31,698
I've got a script I'd like you
to read for a film with Divine.
1385
01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:33,199
What do you think, sweetheart?
1386
01:13:33,491 --> 01:13:36,077
Oh, it's very high brow, Todd.
1387
01:13:36,369 --> 01:13:37,662
And then he said,
how would you feel
1388
01:13:37,954 --> 01:13:40,081
about kissing a
1389
01:13:40,373 --> 01:13:42,667
(LAUGHING) And I
just said, I'm sure
1390
01:13:42,959 --> 01:13:46,046
I've kissed a hell
of a lot worse.
1391
01:13:46,338 --> 01:13:48,798
John's films were outrageous.
1392
01:13:49,090 --> 01:13:51,718
I prayed that he would never
go watch "Pink Flamingos."
1393
01:13:52,010 --> 01:13:53,678
Happy birthday, fatso.
1394
01:13:53,970 --> 01:13:54,679
Oh!
1395
01:13:54,971 --> 01:13:55,805
And he did.
1396
01:13:56,097 --> 01:13:58,308
How could anyone be
filthier than Divine?
1397
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:02,854
Even then, he didn't
say, oh, well, never mind.
1398
01:14:03,146 --> 01:14:05,523
He was unafraid.
1399
01:14:05,815 --> 01:14:08,193
I remember an agent
saying to me at the time,
1400
01:14:08,485 --> 01:14:10,195
you can't do that film.
1401
01:14:10,487 --> 01:14:13,323
And my response was,
what have I got to lose?
1402
01:14:13,615 --> 01:14:15,200
Where's my career now?
1403
01:14:15,492 --> 01:14:17,077
I thought this will
be a lot of fun.
1404
01:14:17,369 --> 01:14:19,412
Why don't you show me
your bedroom, honey?
1405
01:14:19,704 --> 01:14:20,413
Mother may 1?
1406
01:14:20,705 --> 01:14:21,289
Yes, you may.
1407
01:14:21,581 --> 01:14:22,123
Ooh!
1408
01:14:22,415 --> 01:14:25,210
I could only afford
him for one week.
1409
01:14:25,502 --> 01:14:27,879
I'm sure it was the least
Tab Hunter was ever paid,
1410
01:14:28,171 --> 01:14:31,758
and it was by far the most
I had ever paid anybody.
1411
01:14:32,050 --> 01:14:35,053
Doing a film for John, you
got to find a spot on the floor
1412
01:14:35,345 --> 01:14:38,515
where you can sit down between
takes-- cold pizza at 2:00
1413
01:14:38,807 --> 01:14:39,891
AM. (LAUGHING)
1414
01:14:40,183 --> 01:14:41,226
Are you my little flesh pot?
1415
01:14:41,518 --> 01:14:42,477
Mm-hmm.
1416
01:14:42,769 --> 01:14:44,562
It was the first
time ever we had
1417
01:14:44,854 --> 01:14:46,815
quote, "areal
movie star" come in
1418
01:14:47,107 --> 01:14:49,859
and work with my movie stars.
1419
01:14:50,151 --> 01:14:53,405
Tab made out with
Divine who was in drag.
1420
01:14:53,697 --> 01:14:56,533
People could not
believe their eyes.
1421
01:14:56,825 --> 01:14:59,786
That's why the movie worked
because they together
1422
01:15:00,078 --> 01:15:02,580
were a great screen couple.
1423
01:15:02,872 --> 01:15:04,416
A couple of people said,
oh, don't worry about it.
1424
01:15:04,708 --> 01:15:07,043
Nobody's gonna see this film.
1425
01:15:07,335 --> 01:15:08,336
The movie came out.
1426
01:15:08,628 --> 01:15:09,754
It was a hit.
1427
01:15:10,046 --> 01:15:12,298
And it definitely
revitalized my career.
1428
01:15:12,590 --> 01:15:15,301
Mr. Tab Hunter, yay!
1429
01:15:15,593 --> 01:15:17,262
Well, there was a
whole new audience
1430
01:15:17,554 --> 01:15:19,389
that never heard of Tab Hunter.
1431
01:15:19,681 --> 01:15:20,807
Now, what is the
best time of the month
1432
01:15:21,099 --> 01:15:23,601
for a woman to conceive?
1433
01:15:23,893 --> 01:15:25,812
I feel like a new old
face or an old new face.
1434
01:15:26,104 --> 01:15:27,939
So I'm getting my toe in the
door to start all over again.
1435
01:15:28,231 --> 01:15:29,899
It's very exciting
1436
01:15:30,191 --> 01:15:32,068
Tab was serious
about his career.
1437
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:33,987
But he never took
himself that seriously.
1438
01:15:34,279 --> 01:15:35,405
DR. ERNO: Tab, what do
you do for a living?
1439
01:15:35,697 --> 01:15:37,657
Well, Erno, I'm a
Hollywood movie star,
1440
01:15:37,949 --> 01:15:40,744
and I've been in over 40 films,
and I lived in Beverly Hills.
1441
01:15:41,036 --> 01:15:42,037
That sounds exciting.
1442
01:15:42,328 --> 01:15:45,331
He found himself amusing.
1443
01:15:45,623 --> 01:15:47,917
When you have a sense
of humor about yourself,
1444
01:15:48,209 --> 01:15:49,669
people appreciate
you in another way.
1445
01:15:54,174 --> 01:15:57,135
I wanted to work
with Divine again.
1446
01:15:57,427 --> 01:16:01,139
I had come up with the idea
of doing a Western comedy.
1447
01:16:01,431 --> 01:16:03,183
It was called
"Lust in the Dust."
1448
01:16:03,475 --> 01:16:05,518
ANNOUNCER: Tab Hunter
is the stranger.
1449
01:16:06,436 --> 01:16:11,024
And Divine is Rosy Valdez.
1450
01:16:11,316 --> 01:16:11,858
Come and get it.
1451
01:16:12,150 --> 01:16:13,693
I turned over every
stone I possibly
1452
01:16:13,985 --> 01:16:17,405
could trying to get "Lust
in the Dust" going forward.
1453
01:16:17,697 --> 01:16:20,033
The first time I
saw Tab in person
1454
01:16:20,325 --> 01:16:21,534
was when he walked
into my office
1455
01:16:21,826 --> 01:16:24,704
at Fox to pitch
"Lust in the Dust."
1456
01:16:24,996 --> 01:16:28,833
Tab still had that star quality.
1457
01:16:29,125 --> 01:16:31,127
And I mentioned the
project to Allan.
1458
01:16:31,419 --> 01:16:35,381
And he hit on it right away and
said, what a wonderful idea.
1459
01:16:35,673 --> 01:16:37,801
Once Tab left the
meeting, I thought, yeah,
1460
01:16:38,093 --> 01:16:41,262
"Lust in the Dust" could work.
1461
01:16:41,554 --> 01:16:45,475
I knew I could trust
him almost immediately.
1462
01:16:45,767 --> 01:16:49,145
I found Allan very
attractive, very bright,
1463
01:16:49,437 --> 01:16:51,940
and I wanted to spend
more time with him.
1464
01:16:52,232 --> 01:16:54,317
Tab started calling me.
1465
01:16:54,609 --> 01:16:55,860
And I thought
initially it was just
1466
01:16:56,152 --> 01:16:59,280
a follow up about "Lust in the
Dust," but it went beyond that.
1467
01:17:02,784 --> 01:17:05,787
Tab was 30 years
older and I was.
1468
01:17:06,079 --> 01:17:07,455
I was 23.
1469
01:17:07,747 --> 01:17:09,707
Tabb was 53.
1470
01:17:09,999 --> 01:17:12,127
But once we did
connect, I couldn't
1471
01:17:12,418 --> 01:17:15,171
imagine us not being together.
1472
01:17:15,463 --> 01:17:18,508
And then the more our
personal relationship grew,
1473
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:23,680
the more I was determined
to get that movie done.
1474
01:17:23,972 --> 01:17:25,974
I tried to get it
going at Fox, and there
1475
01:17:26,266 --> 01:17:27,267
was a little bit of
interest, but they
1476
01:17:27,559 --> 01:17:29,811
ultimately passed on it.
1477
01:17:30,103 --> 01:17:33,398
Tab said to me I should get
involved and produce this.
1478
01:17:33,690 --> 01:17:36,901
Well, that would mean having
to leave my secure job
1479
01:17:37,193 --> 01:17:42,323
at Fox, which I did.
1480
01:17:42,615 --> 01:17:45,785
People told me I was taking a
big risk leaving the studio.
1481
01:17:46,077 --> 01:17:47,745
But I had a hunch
that my future would
1482
01:17:48,037 --> 01:17:51,457
be better with Tab, so I left.
1483
01:17:51,749 --> 01:17:54,878
He single-handedly raised
all the money for that film.
1484
01:17:55,170 --> 01:17:56,546
You got it all wrong, honey.
1485
01:17:56,838 --> 01:17:58,756
You've been cheap all your life.
1486
01:17:59,048 --> 01:17:59,549
Cheap?
1487
01:17:59,841 --> 01:18:01,968
I was the sister of Divine.
1488
01:18:02,260 --> 01:18:03,970
This furniture is cheap.
1489
01:18:04,262 --> 01:18:06,055
I looked like a
drag queen, you know?
1490
01:18:06,347 --> 01:18:09,225
(LAUGHING) I think
that was the idea.
1491
01:18:09,517 --> 01:18:13,771
My love scene with Tab
Hunter-- we were in a shower.
1492
01:18:14,063 --> 01:18:14,689
It was delicious.
1493
01:18:18,151 --> 01:18:21,696
The first film I ever appeared
in was "Lust in the Dust."
1494
01:18:21,988 --> 01:18:24,824
That set, in particular, had a
real sense of frivolity and fun
1495
01:18:25,116 --> 01:18:25,617
about it.
1496
01:18:25,909 --> 01:18:28,203
And I remember being
struck by Tab's naturalism
1497
01:18:28,494 --> 01:18:32,540
and how effortlessly everything
he was doing was coming across.
1498
01:18:32,832 --> 01:18:34,667
Victory shifts from man to man.
1499
01:18:34,959 --> 01:18:35,919
Deuteronomy?
1500
01:18:36,211 --> 01:18:37,670
Homer.
1501
01:18:37,962 --> 01:18:41,507
Everybody was sort of
playing it larger than life.
1502
01:18:41,799 --> 01:18:44,344
"Lust in the Dust"
was well received,
1503
01:18:44,636 --> 01:18:50,558
and it certainly opened doors
for us to do other things.
1504
01:18:50,850 --> 01:18:53,686
ALLAN GLASER: Tab
definitely had a value.
1505
01:18:53,978 --> 01:18:59,484
I got a lot of meetings just
because Tab was attached.
1506
01:18:59,776 --> 01:19:01,361
We were doing these
independent projects,
1507
01:19:01,653 --> 01:19:05,698
and Tab's celebrity helped
me raise the financing.
1508
01:19:05,990 --> 01:19:08,243
It was a very
productive time for us.
1509
01:19:08,534 --> 01:19:12,914
For me, it was a challenge to
make it work, which I enjoyed.
1510
01:19:13,206 --> 01:19:15,416
But not so much for Tab.
1511
01:19:15,708 --> 01:19:17,085
He didn't find that
same excitement
1512
01:19:17,377 --> 01:19:20,588
that I found in trying to
get these projects going.
1513
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:22,257
Well, I never paid a
lot of attention what
1514
01:19:22,548 --> 01:19:23,424
was happening in Hollywood.
1515
01:19:23,716 --> 01:19:24,676
I let Allan do all
of that because he
1516
01:19:24,968 --> 01:19:25,885
was really good at it.
1517
01:19:26,177 --> 01:19:26,678
How are you?
1518
01:19:26,970 --> 01:19:27,679
Tab Hunter.
1519
01:19:27,971 --> 01:19:32,976
By this time, Tab wasn't
too happy to continue acting.
1520
01:19:33,268 --> 01:19:37,814
Tab was still getting offers,
but he turned 90% of everything
1521
01:19:38,106 --> 01:19:39,524
he was offered down.
1522
01:19:43,027 --> 01:19:46,990
People were coming out, and
that was their choice to do so,
1523
01:19:47,282 --> 01:19:49,659
and I respect that.
1524
01:19:49,951 --> 01:19:56,040
Personally, I didn't want my
sexuality to define who I was.
1525
01:19:56,332 --> 01:19:58,626
I just didn't talk about.
1526
01:19:58,918 --> 01:20:01,462
It's not my comfort zone.
1527
01:20:01,754 --> 01:20:05,174
I was point-blank asked
about my sexuality.
1528
01:20:05,466 --> 01:20:08,970
Wasn't it difficult
to be in a closet?
1529
01:20:09,262 --> 01:20:13,516
Some of the press occasionally
would cross that boundary,
1530
01:20:13,808 --> 01:20:15,518
I'm entitled to have
that line there,
1531
01:20:15,810 --> 01:20:20,898
and if I don't want to share
that with you, I won't.
1532
01:20:21,190 --> 01:20:22,525
I think it probably
means I finally made it.
1533
01:20:22,817 --> 01:20:24,485
I mean, you can't be a star
without having a gay rumor out
1534
01:20:24,777 --> 01:20:26,404
there, can you? (LAUGHING)
1535
01:20:26,696 --> 01:20:28,197
In some respects,
the business is
1536
01:20:28,489 --> 01:20:30,533
still like it was in the '50s.
1537
01:20:30,825 --> 01:20:33,828
It may be a lot more
socially acceptable to be gay.
1538
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:36,414
But I know several
people who are very
1539
01:20:36,706 --> 01:20:40,501
prominent in this industry who
feel, perhaps legitimately,
1540
01:20:40,793 --> 01:20:43,838
that if they came out it would
affect their box office appeal.
1541
01:20:44,130 --> 01:20:48,301
Let's put it this way, fellas,
a Gillette shave turns a trick.
1542
01:20:48,593 --> 01:20:53,931
For someone who is the fantasy
for women all across America
1543
01:20:54,223 --> 01:20:58,519
and the world, to come
out in the public and say,
1544
01:20:58,811 --> 01:21:04,442
I'm gay and expect to play
leading men is an issue.
1545
01:21:04,734 --> 01:21:06,861
It's still tricky.
1546
01:21:07,153 --> 01:21:10,448
Every actor who has a
secret, like being gay,
1547
01:21:10,740 --> 01:21:13,659
there's a part of us that
are afraid of Hollywood.
1548
01:21:13,951 --> 01:21:18,122
We're afraid to be
who we are completely.
1549
01:21:18,414 --> 01:21:21,167
That's a hard life to lead.
1550
01:21:21,459 --> 01:21:25,296
After decades of being in
the public eye, all I wanted
1551
01:21:25,588 --> 01:21:27,548
was my privacy.
1552
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:32,470
In order to achieve that, I just
withdrew from it all for good.
1553
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:41,521
My life had been very transient.
1554
01:21:44,190 --> 01:21:47,527
I never thought
of settling down.
1555
01:21:47,819 --> 01:21:51,030
But then Allan came
into my life and just
1556
01:21:51,322 --> 01:21:52,698
opened up whole new vistas.
1557
01:21:56,369 --> 01:21:58,871
We're so much of a
part of each other
1558
01:21:59,163 --> 01:22:01,666
now because we have been
together for so long.
1559
01:22:01,958 --> 01:22:03,793
And it's just one
of those things.
1560
01:22:04,085 --> 01:22:06,546
It works.
1561
01:22:06,838 --> 01:22:09,715
Allan's a very
stabilizing influence.
1562
01:22:10,007 --> 01:22:13,386
I have a wonderful
relationship with Allan that's
1563
01:22:13,678 --> 01:22:17,056
grown over 30-some years.
1564
01:22:17,348 --> 01:22:20,393
This is really an
incredible person that I
1565
01:22:20,685 --> 01:22:21,436
want to spend my life with.
1566
01:22:27,692 --> 01:22:30,862
What brings Tab pleasure
on a daily basis,
1567
01:22:31,154 --> 01:22:34,740
and I can sum it up in
one word, is Harlow.
1568
01:22:35,032 --> 01:22:37,243
This old cow, look at her.
1569
01:22:37,535 --> 01:22:42,206
ALLAN GLASER: Harlow, Tab's
horse, is what gives Tab joy.
1570
01:22:42,498 --> 01:22:44,667
This is what makes me happiest.
1571
01:22:44,959 --> 01:22:47,378
This is where I really
feel more at ease
1572
01:22:47,670 --> 01:22:49,130
than I would anywhere else.
1573
01:22:49,422 --> 01:22:51,132
It's getting up in
the morning, having
1574
01:22:51,424 --> 01:22:55,511
to go clean out that stall,
having to groom that horse.
1575
01:22:55,803 --> 01:22:58,389
Whoa, listen to
your belly growl!
1576
01:22:58,681 --> 01:23:01,601
That sounds like a pretty good
life-- riding horses and just
1577
01:23:01,893 --> 01:23:03,436
kind of cooling his heels.
1578
01:23:03,728 --> 01:23:06,439
OK move your tush, sweetheart.
1579
01:23:06,731 --> 01:23:08,024
He's a better man than I am.
1580
01:23:08,316 --> 01:23:11,194
I try to stay away from
anything weighing 1,400 pounds
1581
01:23:11,486 --> 01:23:14,447
and has a brain the
size of a walnut.
1582
01:23:14,739 --> 01:23:18,367
When you have a passion
that fulfills you,
1583
01:23:18,659 --> 01:23:23,998
you don't look to other
areas to fill you up.
1584
01:23:24,290 --> 01:23:28,294
Tab is an incredible
horseman and always has been,
1585
01:23:28,586 --> 01:23:32,798
and that is a career in itself.
1586
01:23:33,090 --> 01:23:37,011
Well, my acting career I look
at as being all in the past.
1587
01:23:37,303 --> 01:23:41,307
I loved it, bud I love
where I am now in my life.
1588
01:23:41,599 --> 01:23:43,351
And I am happy to be forgotten.
1589
01:23:49,774 --> 01:23:52,193
Tab's attitude to
his Hollywood career
1590
01:23:52,485 --> 01:23:54,320
is been there, done that.
1591
01:23:54,612 --> 01:23:57,406
He calls it his past life,
which drives me nuts.
1592
01:23:57,698 --> 01:23:59,408
I found this is at flea market.
1593
01:23:59,700 --> 01:24:01,702
It's something that
he could embrace,
1594
01:24:01,994 --> 01:24:02,787
but he doesn't care to do it.
1595
01:24:03,079 --> 01:24:03,579
He did it.
1596
01:24:03,871 --> 01:24:05,623
He let go of it.
1597
01:24:05,915 --> 01:24:08,709
He doesn't even want to
see himself on television.
1598
01:24:09,001 --> 01:24:13,381
If he's laying in bed and an
old movie of his comes on,
1599
01:24:13,673 --> 01:24:15,925
he doesn't stop for one second.
1600
01:24:16,217 --> 01:24:17,051
Forget it.
1601
01:24:17,343 --> 01:24:18,636
ALLAN GLASER: He just
flips through the channel
1602
01:24:18,928 --> 01:24:21,847
like it was a dog food
commercial and keeps going.
1603
01:24:22,139 --> 01:24:23,808
Well, a-- a boy's best
friend is his mother.
1604
01:24:27,395 --> 01:24:29,355
We were casting
"Lust in the Dust,"
1605
01:24:29,647 --> 01:24:32,275
and there was this character
named Hardcase Williams.
1606
01:24:32,567 --> 01:24:36,696
And I thought Tony Perkins
would be perfect for that role.
1607
01:24:36,988 --> 01:24:41,117
ANNOUNCER: 22 years later,
Norman Bates is home.
1608
01:24:41,409 --> 01:24:43,911
"Psycho II" had just come out.
1609
01:24:44,203 --> 01:24:47,164
Tony was getting a tremendous
amount of publicity.
1610
01:24:47,456 --> 01:24:49,292
Tab was having a
career resurgence
1611
01:24:49,584 --> 01:24:53,212
at the same exact
time Tony Perkins was.
1612
01:24:53,504 --> 01:24:57,800
He said, Tony Perkins--
do you know him?
1613
01:24:58,092 --> 01:25:00,761
(LAUGHING) I said,
yeah, Allan, I know him.
1614
01:25:01,053 --> 01:25:06,017
(LAUGHING) I contacted
Tony, went up
1615
01:25:06,309 --> 01:25:08,853
to his house up on Mulholland.
1616
01:25:09,145 --> 01:25:12,398
I hadn't seen him
in a long while.
1617
01:25:12,690 --> 01:25:15,818
His wife Mary answered the door.
1618
01:25:16,110 --> 01:25:18,362
Tony had married, had a family.
1619
01:25:18,654 --> 01:25:21,657
And I presented Tony
with the script.
1620
01:25:21,949 --> 01:25:23,451
And he said he really
would like to do it,
1621
01:25:23,743 --> 01:25:25,453
but he just didn't think it
was the right project for him
1622
01:25:25,745 --> 01:25:27,747
at the time.
1623
01:25:28,039 --> 01:25:31,167
And Tony and I said
goodbye that afternoon,
1624
01:25:31,459 --> 01:25:34,462
and that was the last
time that I saw Tony.
1625
01:25:34,754 --> 01:25:37,882
AIDS has taken the life
of actor Anthony Perkins.
1626
01:25:38,174 --> 01:25:42,845
He died Saturday at
his Los Angeles home.
1627
01:25:43,137 --> 01:25:47,350
I never felt that Tony was
struggling with his identity.
1628
01:25:47,642 --> 01:25:51,520
And when I did hear of it, I
was really quite surprised.
1629
01:25:51,812 --> 01:25:57,735
Maybe he was deep down unhappy
with himself about being gay
1630
01:25:58,027 --> 01:26:00,613
and wanted to change that.
1631
01:26:00,905 --> 01:26:03,240
His choice was right
for him, and it's
1632
01:26:03,532 --> 01:26:07,119
all part of a person's growth.
1633
01:26:07,411 --> 01:26:11,999
Tony was who he was, or
maybe he wanted to be.
1634
01:26:12,291 --> 01:26:14,460
That was good enough for me.
1635
01:26:14,752 --> 01:26:19,090
I had no right-- no one does--
to be judgmental or to second
1636
01:26:19,382 --> 01:26:20,716
guess his pursuit of happiness.
1637
01:26:23,636 --> 01:26:27,807
There are an awful lot of
people who have feelings,
1638
01:26:28,099 --> 01:26:31,686
and they're in conflict
with themselves.
1639
01:26:31,977 --> 01:26:36,774
And it's a terribly difficult
thing to have to go through.
1640
01:26:37,066 --> 01:26:39,026
I think you have to
be true to yourself.
1641
01:26:45,199 --> 01:26:49,203
My mother never said
I love you a lot.
1642
01:26:49,495 --> 01:26:55,334
But she'd show it when
you'd least expect it.
1643
01:26:55,626 --> 01:26:57,211
My mother and I are
sitting on the back terrace
1644
01:26:57,503 --> 01:27:00,256
having breakfast one
morning after church.
1645
01:27:00,548 --> 01:27:02,258
And she leaned over and kissed
me on the cheek and said,
1646
01:27:02,550 --> 01:27:04,927
I love you very much.
1647
01:27:05,219 --> 01:27:06,053
I was in a good place with her.
1648
01:27:06,345 --> 01:27:06,846
I know that.
1649
01:27:07,138 --> 01:27:10,766
And she was in a
good place with me.
1650
01:27:11,058 --> 01:27:11,851
I miss her.
1651
01:27:18,941 --> 01:27:23,446
There's something
well-grounded about Tab.
1652
01:27:23,738 --> 01:27:28,325
That's why he's lasted all
these years is that he's real.
1653
01:27:28,617 --> 01:27:29,118
He's like the earth.
1654
01:27:29,410 --> 01:27:31,996
He's solid.
1655
01:27:32,288 --> 01:27:36,584
He's happy in his own
special way to live his life,
1656
01:27:36,876 --> 01:27:39,086
and he's had a happy life.
1657
01:27:39,378 --> 01:27:41,005
He chose that right road.
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