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Please don't touch me.
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The Keli Lane case is like no other.
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REPORTER: A murder mystery...
MAN: She's a murderer.
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The golden girl who ended up
a baby killer.
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MAN: There's no way
she'd kill her baby.
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REPORTER: Baby Tegan
was never seen again.
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MAN: Nothing was found.
Not anything.
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It doesn't add up.
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Lane told more than 95 lies.
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MAN: She hadn't told a single,
solitary person in her life.
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MAN 2: There is only
really one person
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who can tell what happened,
and that's Keli Lane.
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(RINGING TONE)
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AUTOMATED VOICE: Go ahead, please.
(BEEP!)
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KELI LANE: How are you?
I'm OK. How are you?
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Yeah, good. Good. Good.
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Where I want to take you today
is a...
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It's a very powerful and a
distressing point in time for you.
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Yep.
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I want to take you to
the day of the verdict.
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Yep.
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Everybody kept saying to me,
"The case has gone well.
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"The trial has gone well."
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Random barristers and solicitors
were coming into the court
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and telling me, "You'll be OK.
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"You're not going. We've never seen
a trial unfold like this."
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(BEEP!)
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And, you know,
I had the tingling.
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I remember standing at the window
in the room upstairs
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looking out the window, and
I could hear the jury downstairs.
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And I was just petrified.
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(BEEP!)
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(SIGHS)
(CALL DISCONNECTS)
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(GROANS)
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Do you remember the last...
that morning at home?
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It was your last morning at home.
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Yeah, yeah. Well, I didn't...
Did you say your goodbyes?
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I didn't do anything different
to any other mornings,
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because I didn't know it was going
to be my last,
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so I literally left
the washing-up in the sink.
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I got my daughter ready for school.
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I kissed her goodbye
and said, "See you this afternoon."
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And then I never went home.
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I don't know that
I could have parted from her.
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And I...
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I don't know that I could have
said goodbye to her.
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(CRIES)
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It hurts as much today
as it did then.
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(BEEP!)
(CALL DISCONNECTS)
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Had no idea she was...
she was going down.
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In her mind, no idea.
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REPORTER: Keli! Keli!
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It's really quite rare for people
to be convicted of murder
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where there's no body.
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And the law is to the effect
that be very careful
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before you go convicting people
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where there's no body,
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'cause there is always a possibility
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that the person you're convicting
is innocent.
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So, the inquest finishes in 2006.
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And by then Tegan
would be 10 years old.
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So the case is referred
to the homicide squad,
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and this is the officer
who takes over.
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OK, so this is Sharon Rhodes,
Detective Sharon Rhodes.
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And she has to reinvestigate
the whole brief.
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So, Sharon is absolutely key
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because she is the one
that brought Keli Lane to trial.
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What we know is that Sharon Rhodes
has left the police force.
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She's no longer serving.
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So we're going to see her
at her place
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to see if she will speak to us.
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She said when she was contacted
by us, "How did you find me?"
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And was very shocked.
There was a silence on the phone.
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She's worked very hard, I think,
to become anonymous and not be found.
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Is this the first time
you've ever sat down
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and spoken to people
about this outside...
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Absolutely.
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I didn't want to talk about it
for a long time.
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It's taken me a long time
to feel comfortable enough
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to be able to speak about this.
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There was a lot of pressure
with this,
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more pressure than I'd ever felt
with any other matter.
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You know, yes,
I got a guilty verdict -
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my team and I got a guilty verdict.
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I would happily
give all of that back
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to have not almost lost my mind.
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I wanted to find Tegan.
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I wanted to find her
and put her to rest
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because I think she'd be
a tortured soul.
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REPORTER: This may be Tegan Lane's
final resting place.
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Police are taking a closer look
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underneath a suburban home
in Sydney's north
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to follow a new lead.
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SHARON: It was about getting
evidence to charge Keli,
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and put Keli before the court.
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It's also about finding Tegan.
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MAN: Is that property connected to
the father of the child?
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We don't know that. We don't
know who the father is.
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At the time her boyfriend,
Duncan Gillies, lived in the home.
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SHARON: Keli went there so often
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because she was going out
with Duncan Gillies
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and that was his house,
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that I typed up the warrant with the
belief that if Tegan was anywhere,
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that Keli had taken her
to Venus Street
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and disposed of her remains there.
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They're grid searching it.
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It's the only way we can ensure
that we cover all of it.
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She wasn't under the house.
She wasn't in the walls.
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She wasn't in the roof.
She wasn't in the backyard.
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She wasn't anywhere
on that property.
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(RINGING TONE)
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SHARON: I remember
one of the phone calls,
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Keli made the comment on the day
we did the dig at Gladesville
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and she said, "They can dig
to China for all I care."
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And I could hear
the confidence in her voice.
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(LAUGHTER)
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How do you account
for that confidence?
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Well, there was no way
we could find who the father was
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because there's no DNA.
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She had sufficiently muddied
the waters
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with the Andrew Morris-Norris...
line of inquiry.
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We needed to identify
the fathers of Keli's children,
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and we needed to have
a bank of DNA available
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that if we did find remains or if
remains of Tegan were ever found,
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we could, um, check them
against our bank of DNA.
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How did they respond
when they found out?
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Gutted. Absolutely gutted.
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Who was Tegan's father?
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I think it's a question we'll never
know unless we find Tegan
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and get her DNA.
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SHARON: We tried. We really tried.
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I used every trick in the book.
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An undercover strategy,
covert DNA samples.
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Every resource that was available.
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There was nothing.
There was absolutely nothing.
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But she didn't say,
"I killed Tegan."
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No. No, not at all.
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We didn't have...anything.
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So, we have this document here.
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"The evidence does not establish
a motive beyond reasonable doubt."
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Because we didn't have...
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It was a belief,
it was my gut instinct.
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By November 2008,
to be completely honest,
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we hadn't reached the standard
of beyond a reasonable doubt,
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so we weren't in a position to
charge Keli Lane at that point,
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so I sought legal advice.
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So hadn't...hadn't met the bar
for murder.
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Hadn't met the standard
of proof required.
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After, gosh, two years' investigation
with Homicide,
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several years with Manly,
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a coronial inquest...
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It still wasn't there.
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So we wanted...I wanted to know
whether or not, um...
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..it would ever get there
or were we wasting our time
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and should we stop
the investigation.
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And that was why we then sent it
to the DPP for legal advising.
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MAN: When this matter came to me,
it was a large matter.
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This was an unusual case
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in that it was the possibility
of a murder charge without a body.
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And that meant that the other
circumstantial evidence
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had to be pretty compelling
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to justify bringing the proceedings.
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What was your own view?
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My own view was that there was
a case of murder to be prosecuted.
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It raised all sorts of values.
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The relationship between
a new mother and child,
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the idea of child-killing,
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which is so abhorrent
to the community generally,
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the nature of the accused and her
conduct over a period of time.
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That made it important.
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That meant it got priority
over other cases.
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Was she a risk to the community?
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(CHUCKLES)
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I mean, motherhood is important,
and the value of that, but...
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I don't think Keli Lane
was a risk to the community
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in that she would go around
killing other people's babies.
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Um, she seemed to be
a bit of a risk
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to the virile young male
portion of the community.
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But that's not grounds for putting
her in prison, of course.
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(CHUCKLES)
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WOMAN: She came here
and saw us at home.
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It was in the evening.
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We were entertaining some people
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and we had to ask them to leave
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and, um, that's when she told us.
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What did she say?
She just said straight out.
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"I've been charged
with the murder of a baby."
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I mean, I was so shocked.
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Was there ever a moment, Rob,
where you sat down with Keli
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and just asked her point-blank,
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you know, "Could you have done
something? Did you do anything?"
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Of course I did, yeah.
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And she just said, "Dad,"
you know, "it's me," basically.
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Mm.
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A Sydney woman has been charged
with murdering her baby daughter,
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who has been missing and presumed
dead for 13 years.
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This is big.
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WOMAN: Keli and her family
are devastated by these charges
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and will strenuously defend them.
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And I cried.
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I just sat there and cried
and just sort of, like, a relief.
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Tears of joy in terms of,
like, something, you know,
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done for Tegan, finally.
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MAN: The infant was last seen alive
when she was just two days old
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in September 1996
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as her mother took her
from Auburn Hospital.
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My friend rang me and said,
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"Keli Lane's on the front
page of the paper."
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And I went, "Really?
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Picked up the paper, and went,
"Oh, my God!"
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WOMAN: Keli maintains her innocence
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and will continue,
as she has done in the past,
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to assist in the search of Tegan,
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whom she believes to be alive,
well and happy.
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How can this be someone we know?
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Keli, what do you have to say to
the charges?
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Please don't touch me.
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Have we all been...
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..hoodwinked
as to who this person is?
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Like, it doesn't make sense to me.
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Do you think Keli Lane
harmed that child Tegan?
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No way.
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No way.
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There's no way she'd kill a baby
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that she would have held in her
arms at some stage
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and looked into its eyes,
you know.
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No way!
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What sort of prosecutor did you need
to handle this matter
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and handle it successfully?
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NICHOLAS: This was a case
that called for
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a very experienced prosecutor,
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someone in the top echelon
of prosecutors.
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REPORTER: For more than two decades,
Crown Prosecutor Mark Tedeschi
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has been the star performer
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at the most infamous murder trials
in the country,
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and the prosecutor
defence lawyers love to hate.
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SHARON: Mark is formidable in court.
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The number one top prosecutor
in the state of New South Wales.
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He's a formidable opponent, um...
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And he plays to win.
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NICHOLAS: Mark Tedeschi
is sometimes,
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or has sometimes in his career
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been a controversial prosecutor.
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The career of Australia's
highest-flying prosecutor
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is under attack
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after a scathing judgement from
the New South Wales Appeal Court.
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I'm enormously relieved to have
finally been exonerated...
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The Court of Criminal Appeal
accused Mr Tedeschi of unfairness.
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NEWSREADER: In fact he's the only
prosecutor in the state
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who's ever faced a legal tribunal
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over allegations
of professional misconduct.
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To date, though, not one complaint
has ever stuck.
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I have an interview
with Mark Tedeschi.
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Wow! OK.
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The crew's already here.
Good luck.
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Perhaps, before we begin, the
correct pronunciation of my name.
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Mark Tedeschi.
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I was the lead prosecutor
in the trial of Keli Lane.
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It was entirely
a circumstantial case.
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We had to prove death
without a body,
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we had to prove that whatever
happened to baby Tegan
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that she was deliberately
murdered by Keli Lane.
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There's no evidence of a death,
no evidence of a body,
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no evidence of a homicide,
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there's no witnesses,
there's no confession.
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It became very obvious to me
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that in order to conduct the case,
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it would be necessary
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to lead evidence about the other
pregnancies that Keli Lane had had,
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and in particular, the other two
births which she had had in secret -
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to get evidence
admitted into a trial
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that has nothing directly relevant
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to the case in question.
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MICHELE: This was incredibly
damaging for Keli,
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because the prosecution had no case.
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The only case they could make
was one that they constructed
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around the lies that Keli had told
on the adoption papers.
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That opened the door to
her previous sexual history,
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all of the previous pregnancies,
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and with the associated lies
that she told,
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when she wanted to hide
what was happening to her
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from her family and friends.
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And the net effect of that
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was that this built Keli up
as this progressive liar.
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My name's Anthony Whealy, QC,
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and I was the presiding judge
in the trial of Keli Lane.
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Yes, Mr Crown.
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How smart was it for the prosecution
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to attach those perjury charges
to murder charge?
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You would say that that's a smart
move, from a forensic point of view.
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Where you've got charges
that, on the face of it,
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bear no relationship to
the principal charge,
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you would normally say
to the defence counsel,
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"Well, why don't
you want to get these off?
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"What have they got to do
with the murder charge?"
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I awaited an application
from the defence
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to strike those perjury counts
from the indictment
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and it didn't come.
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I asked the counsel bluntly,
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"Would you like to make
an application to the court?"
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You asked the defence counsel,
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"Would you like to strike
the perjury charges?"
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I did, yes, I did. Mm, yes.
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Uh, you could say I dropped
the hint.
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But it never happened.
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What did your defence team
tell you
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about whether to sever
those perjury charges or not?
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She was now exposed to a serious
attack on her credibility
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that wouldn't otherwise
have been available.
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What people forget
is Keli was very young.
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These are lies that a young, scared
person might easily make.
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What was your defence team's
strategy?
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Well, it was that I was innocent.
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They said, "You don't have to
justify yourself.
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"You don't have to put up a defence.
They're the rules of the court."
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There are so many questions
for the defence, you know.
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What was their tactic at the trial?
What was she instructing them?
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Was she listened to?
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And we won't know, we won't be able
to find out, probably,
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unless they speak to us.
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So, her defence solicitor...
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..is Ben Archbold.
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He represented Keli at the trial.
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What do we know about Ben Archbold?
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We know...
What's his career path?
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His experience?
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We know he's a former
Victorian police officer.
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He was a contestant on Big Brother
several years ago.
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The reality show?
The reality show.
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(RINGING TONE)
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Hello. Can you hear me?
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Hello? Ben?
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Hello?
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Just hang on a minute.
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Ben Archbold?
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Hello?
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Yeah. Just hang on a minute.
I've got a new phone now.
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You there, ABC?
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Ben, we had a chat late last year.
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You said that yes,
you'll meet with me.
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You said that,
and your exact words were,
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you'd do anything to
help your former client, Keli.
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We're coming to you as,
in your role as her solicitor,
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her defence solicitor at the trial,
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'cause there's information
that we've obtained
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that we really need
to discuss with you.
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(PHONE BEEPS)
He's just hung up on me.
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Ben Archbold was
assisted by Kathryn Laurie.
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Kathryn Laurie.
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Oh, hi, Kathryn.
It's Caro Meldrum-Hanna here.
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How are you? From ABC.
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She said, "I don't want to proceed."
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(PHONE BEEPS)
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They were instructing Keith Chapple,
barrister,
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who ran the case.
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As I understand it, Keith Chapple,
he only had around three weeks
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to get on top of the brief
before pre-trial began.
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This is a particular instance
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where three weeks doesn't sound
like enough to me.
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Why not enough? Explain that.
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Well, because there's
a mountain of material.
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I mean, and the devil
is in the detail.
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So, should we call Chapple now?
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Thanks, Keith. Bye.
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Oh, he's out until lunch. OK.
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It's just rediverting, rediverting.
No-one's picking up.
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Thank you. Bye.
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Thanks. Bye. Thanks. Bye.
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(SIGHS)
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All three aren't talking to us.
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By the time the trial was beginning,
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how complete and rigorous was that
police investigation
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and all those searches?
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Oh, look, the vast bulk of the
evidence had been completed
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well prior to the trial.
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99.9% of it had been done
prior to the trial.
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He's misinformed.
That's not correct.
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No, things were not 99.9% ready.
Not at all.
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So you were ready?
Ready to go to trial?
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Absolutely.
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Did he say that?
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You'd have to pick me up
off the floor.
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No. I'm... No. We weren't ready.
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There was Births, Deaths,
and Marriages,
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Department of Immigration
searches.
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It was, you know, searching
all the possible places
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where there could be
a record of Tegan Lane.
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It was folders.
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All of that,
the whole thing was full.
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That was all the searches.
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Um, and that was just
the school searches.
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So it was massive, it was mammoth.
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What stage should the police
investigation have been at
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by the time the trial...
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Should be completed.
Should be completed.
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It should have been completed
before this trial began.
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Was it?
No.
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This was a case that was being
prepared on the run.
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There's no doubt about that.
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(REPORTERS CLAMOUR)
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NEWSREADER: 35-year-old Keli Lane
faces the Supreme Court.
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When senior counsel for the Crown,
Mark Tedeschi,
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began his opening,
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it was a very forceful opening.
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00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,520
REPORTER: 14 jurors have been
empanelled for the trial
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which is expected to hear
at least three months of evidence.
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00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:01,480
Mr Tedeschi's opening, he would talk
about the birth of the first child
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00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,920
and then he would point to the jury
and he would say, "Lie."
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00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,600
Then he would move to the next fact,
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00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,320
he would hold up his hand
and say, "Lie."
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And he would say that
quite a few times.
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Powerful weapon.
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We advanced in the opening address
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some suggestions as to why
she did it,
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00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,280
but not as to how
or where she did it
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because that was unknown.
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Can a prosecutor
or should a prosecutor
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introduce their own theories
in an opening address
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when they don't have evidence
to back it up?
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A prosecutor may only base
what is said on the evidence.
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Cannot speculate about other things,
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00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,840
cannot introduce personal theories
about what might have happened -
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that's contrary to
the principles of the trial.
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NEWSREADER: First, a jury has heard
startling allegations...
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00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,760
NEWSREADER 2: Stunning allegations
have been made
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on day two of
the Keli Lane murder trial.
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It's alleged Lane may have killed
and dumped her baby Tegan's body
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at the Homebush Olympics site.
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00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:14,000
SHARON: There was no evidence to
support that assertion at all.
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00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,480
I was shocked.
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00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:21,880
Shocked and worried about
what it was going to mean for us.
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Because if it's mentioned in
an opening address,
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there has to be evidence
then put to the jury for it,
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otherwise you've misled the jury.
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00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,000
ANTHONY: No, there was
no evidence of it,
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00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,920
and one thing in a criminal
trial that's quite serious,
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you know, if you're going to talk
about the disposal of a body,
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er, you've got to have
some evidence of it.
439
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,400
You have to really.
440
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:49,160
Where did the theory of the
Olympic Park disposal come from?
441
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:56,280
I...don't want to answer that
because that was withdrawn
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00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:58,360
and it's therefore
not on the record.
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00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:05,960
Olympic Park theory.
That's a good one.
444
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,960
The Olympic Park theory.
445
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,240
Yeah, come the opening day
of the trial.
446
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So, Mark does the opening address
and there you go.
447
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,880
He uses my theory that I...
448
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,560
..said to him weeks ago.
449
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,200
So, was there any of that story...
450
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:37,320
..was that based on fact
and evidence,
451
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,040
or was it a theory of yours?
452
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,320
A theory of mine?
453
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,920
Yeah, it was a theory.
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Was it a theory without evidence?
455
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:53,680
It was ruled by the judge
to be, um...
456
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..not appropriate
457
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and it was withdrawn
by the Crown.
458
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,160
Do you regret making that...
459
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,680
I don't wish to answer
questions about it.
460
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,720
The next morning, the Crown
Prosecutor withdrew that statement.
461
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,680
He accepted there was no evidence
to support it,
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00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,000
and I asked Mr Chapple,
defence counsel for Keli Lane,
463
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,040
whether he wanted me
to discharge the jury,
464
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:23,320
because they'd heard
this suggestion,
465
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,320
and he did not wish me to.
466
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,800
She had the opportunity
to have a retrial,
467
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,400
to abort the trial at that stage.
468
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,640
However, she was asked,
and she said,
469
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,920
"I want to get this done...
over with.
470
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,920
"This has been going on for years."
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00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,720
And she believed...and she believed
that she was innocent
472
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,800
and things would work out.
473
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,520
MARK: So, the Crown case
was that with Tegan's birth,
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Keli was due to go to a wedding
of some friends
475
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,840
on 14 September 1996.
476
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,640
And she realised that she had to get
out of the hospital
477
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,640
by the morning of the 14th
478
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,440
if she was going to make it
to the wedding.
479
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,440
Mr Tedeschi made powerful
submissions about the motive,
480
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,320
about Keli not being able to cope
with the birth of this child,
481
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,080
and it was pursued forcefully
right throughout the trial.
482
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,480
KELI: I gave her a bath
and I fed her and we had a sleep.
483
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,520
How did you leave? How did you leave
the maternity ward?
484
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:37,800
How did you walk out?
Um...
485
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,560
Well, Andrew was with us by then.
486
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,640
There was a lift
at the end of the corridor
487
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,360
and we just went down in the lift.
488
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,560
When we went downstairs,
it was like a foyer area
489
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,840
and Mel and his mother stood up
as we approached.
490
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,840
It just is that feeling of,
"Is this the right thing to do?"
491
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,400
You know, I looked at them
492
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,640
and, not to judge,
but I didn't know them,
493
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,320
and I did have that moment of...
maybe I could just take her,
494
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,400
maybe I could just, you know,
do it myself.
495
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,760
But just so painful.
496
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,120
Where did you hand her over?
497
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,360
Um, we were in that foyer area.
498
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,160
And we were there for probably
10 to 15 minutes I'd think.
499
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,960
The problem is it's not exactly
clear when Keli Lane left hospital.
500
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,560
She says around lunch,
501
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,520
but there's no surveillance,
there's no CCTV
502
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,600
and the only piece of written
evidence is the nurse's notes.
503
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,200
These are the nurse's notes...
504
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:43,960
Oh, yes.
..on that day.
505
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,600
That helps.
506
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,360
"2pm, 1400 hours, nursing.
507
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,040
"Patient discharged home with baby.
508
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,640
"With baby."
509
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,760
So that's, according to the nurse,
2:00 in the afternoon.
510
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,000
Well, if that's the time frame,
it's very tight.
511
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:08,280
She's really got on her bike to get
to this wedding and be a guest.
512
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,440
If it's 2pm, at 1400 hours,
Keli Lane...or around then,
513
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,080
she left the hospital with Tegan,
514
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,040
it gives her one hour to drive
from Auburn Hospital
515
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,880
stopping off at Gladesville,
516
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,160
getting to her parents' place
by 3pm.
517
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,200
That gives her a matter of minutes
to kill and dispose of Tegan.
518
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,960
Yes, that's right,
which is very, very...
519
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,920
..would be extremely difficult
to do.
520
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,840
Somehow, the clock was wound back
521
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,640
from 2pm being the accepted
time of discharge at inquest
522
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,120
to 12 noon at trial.
523
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,120
You've really got to talk
to the nurse.
524
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,840
REPORTER: Midwife Anne-Marie Hanlon
was there 14 years ago.
525
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,440
Nurse Anne Hanlon
said in her 2003 statement,
526
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,280
"I have no actual
recollection of that patient."
527
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:04,960
Mm.
528
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,720
"Keli Lane and her child
were discharged around 1400 hours."
529
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,120
Mm.
Being 2pm.
530
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,280
Yes.
531
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,600
In her 2008 statement,
five years later,
532
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,000
she says, "I'm now offering
further information,"
533
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:21,840
and goes on to vividly remember
visiting Keli Lane in her room,
534
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:26,160
even which way Keli Lane's feet
were facing in her bed.
535
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,960
Remarkable memory...
536
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,440
..return.
537
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:39,360
"I'm now able to say that
she left around 11am to 2pm."
538
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:45,440
See, I do not understand
how her memory of it changed.
539
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,080
So, were you concerned about
Anne Hanlon's changes in memory?
540
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,360
Of course.
541
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,880
How did that happen?
542
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,200
Only Anne Hanlon
could answer that question.
543
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,120
Perhaps her memories were jogged
544
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,160
as a result of things she heard
or saw or what was in the media.
545
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,040
MAN: If she did leave at 12:00 noon,
546
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,080
then nursing staff should have
recorded she left at 12:00 noon.
547
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,680
I was the senior medical
officer on duty
548
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,520
at Auburn Hospital
that particular day.
549
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,840
So, what time, then, do you think,
550
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,240
according to these notes,
going off these notes,
551
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,640
Keli Lane was discharged
and left hospital?
552
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,720
Within the hour after 2:00.
553
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,520
(BABY CRIES)
554
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,680
I was asked to see this baby.
555
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,360
I reviewed the baby, and gave
the baby a clean bill of health.
556
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,120
I just told the nurses,
"She's a healthy baby.
557
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,080
"I'm happy to let them go."
558
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,160
"Happy for patient
to be discharged."
559
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,280
The notes indicate she had been
discharged in the proper manner.
560
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,960
Keli Lane left the hospital
between 11am and midday
561
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,600
on that day, which was a Saturday.
562
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,560
The nurse's notes
said around 1400 hours.
563
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,720
No. That was incorrect.
The evidence...
564
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,960
It was about 1400 hours
565
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,240
when they filled out
the hospital notes,
566
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,320
when they completed
the hospital notes.
567
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,080
The International Olympic Committee
568
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,040
has awarded the year 2000 Games
to Sydney.
569
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,680
(CROWD ROARS)
570
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:49,760
MARK: She was an absolutely
dedicated player of water polo
571
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:56,120
and hoped to represent Australia
in the Olympics in 2000
572
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,240
when water polo was going to be
an Olympic event for the first time.
573
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,800
REPORTER: Lane didn't feel
she could look after a baby
574
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,840
because she wanted to represent
Australia at the Sydney Olympics.
575
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,440
REPORTER: She was driven to murder
576
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,480
because a child would have
ruined her chances
577
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,600
of representing Australia
at the 2000 Games.
578
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,160
How ambitious was she?
579
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:18,320
She was incredibly ambitious
to represent Australia.
580
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,000
It meant a tremendous amount to her.
581
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:24,520
Did you ever hear Keli Lane speak
about wanting to go to the Olympics?
582
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,880
No.
583
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,840
Ever expressing a desire?
No.
584
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,440
Simple as that. No way breathing.
585
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,920
Keli's water polo ambitions,
you know,
586
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,800
yes, there's a 2000 Olympics here,
587
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,160
yes, it's the first time
women's water polo
588
00:34:43,240 --> 00:34:45,640
is going to be in the Olympics.
589
00:34:45,720 --> 00:34:48,880
But if you want to go to the
Olympics, you stop everything else.
590
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,920
That's the only way
you're going to get to that team.
591
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,040
Did she stop everything
and just focus on water polo?
592
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:54,880
No, absolutely not.
593
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,000
She wouldn't have been at the pub
on a Saturday night.
594
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,640
Just...that's the athlete world.
595
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:02,520
She knew that.
596
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,000
So, was Keli Lane even in line
to make the Olympics...
597
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,640
No.
..at any stage?
598
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:12,080
No.
599
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,200
There were other things in life.
600
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,760
KELI: Teaching was a really big
thing for me,
601
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,000
I really wanted to teach,
602
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,080
and water polo wasn't really
on the radar anymore.
603
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,440
I think if anything Keli
had a dream,
604
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,160
it was to marry well in Manly
605
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:35,520
and re-create the lifestyle
that her family had given her.
606
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:40,000
So, that's where I think
her real life goal would have been.
607
00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:43,960
White picket fence,
stroll down the beach,
608
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,400
have a swim in the morning,
609
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,280
take your kids to Manly West,
610
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,480
and go to the rugby on a Sunday.
611
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,480
REPORTER: She's accused of running
from hospital to murder her baby
612
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,040
and today Keli Lane
sprinted into court,
613
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,120
where her barrister told
jurors of her innocence.
614
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,320
"They can't even prove
that child is dead."
615
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,240
KELI: It was an absolute shemozzle
from the start.
616
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,720
And it was so disorganised,
617
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,280
we were being hit with brief at
all different times of the night.
618
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,640
During the trial, new witness
statements were coming in,
619
00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:36,680
they were still taking
witness statements,
620
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,400
and it just...it was an avalanche
of paper.
621
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,680
We couldn't ever keep up.
622
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,920
Is it fair, what's going on here,
623
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,800
for the defence and the defendant?
624
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,440
SHARON: No. Absolutely not.
625
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:58,200
So much material was being served
on the defence during the trial,
626
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,160
and the defence were getting
very upset about it,
627
00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:02,400
understandably so.
628
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,760
The judge was getting
very upset about it.
629
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:11,360
We were continuing with the searches
630
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,160
for Andrew Morris/Andrew Norris,
and Tegan,
631
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:18,880
and those searches continued
during the trial,
632
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:24,000
and the judge was very frustrated
that these searches were continuing.
633
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,120
ANTHONY: I said,
"I'm concerned about the defence
634
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,200
"being placed
in a difficult position.
635
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,400
"Naturally I'm concerned
about that."
636
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,840
That's also doublespeak for,
637
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,960
"Come on, I don't want to see this
occurring again."
638
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,360
And you did just say before
that if it happened again,
639
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:41,920
if this went on, continued...
640
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,400
Yes. Mm. That's true.
Enough.
641
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,440
And it would be the...
You'd have to abort that trial.
642
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:47,920
Sure. Mm.
643
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,760
If anything further of that
kind happened...
644
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,640
Well, I think it didn't happen.
645
00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:54,680
Those remarks must have been enough
646
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,680
to stop the Crown's external rush
to get proof.
647
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,160
It never went away.
There was never any respite.
648
00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:04,760
There was never any stop to it.
649
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,680
There's something
I need to understand
650
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,720
and this is back
to the opening address,
651
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,680
the prosecution's opening address.
652
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,480
Mark Tedeschi told the court
that the jury was going to hear
653
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,480
from this man, Andrew Morris.
654
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,280
And he said that this Andrew Morris
655
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,720
had a single sexual encounter
with Keli Lane
656
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,840
and that he doesn't have the baby,
he doesn't have Tegan,
657
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,760
so they could prove through this man
658
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,800
that her story about Andrew Morris
was a lie.
659
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,040
But he was never, ever
called as a witness.
660
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,680
What happened to Andrew Morris?
661
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,960
What happened to Andrew Morris?
662
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,120
Um, Andrew Morris
didn't give evidence
663
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,920
as a direct result of
a deal being done
664
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,880
between the prosecution
and the defence.
665
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,600
ANTHONY: That was a tactical
decision made by both counsel.
666
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,640
I didn't see anything sinister
in any of that at all.
667
00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:13,680
It happens quite frequently.
668
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,400
That was the culmination
of a tremendous amount of discussion
669
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,680
and negotiation between the parties.
670
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,480
So, of course, I obviously
can't discuss that
671
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,080
'cause it's not on the record.
672
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,440
What did the prosecution
want from Andrew Morris?
673
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:30,960
What did they want him to be?
674
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,560
Well, they wanted him to say,
"I'm the Andrew Morris.
675
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,160
"I remember having sex with her."
676
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:37,400
And he didn't have the baby.
677
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,080
That was the important part,
678
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,680
because she asserts that she gave
Tegan to Andrew Morris.
679
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,400
Standing with me here
is Mr Andrew Morris
680
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,600
at the North Narrabeen
Surf Life Saving Club.
681
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,400
You've come over here and you've
stopped at the sand here?
682
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,120
Yep.
OK.
683
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,760
And then what's happened here
once you've arrived?
684
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,600
Well, yeah, we just made out.
685
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:15,640
Um, and I do remember having
sex here,
686
00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:17,840
um, unprotected.
687
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,800
I didn't have, um...I didn't have
any protection.
688
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,280
Never met him, never seen him
in my life.
689
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,400
Nup, sorry. Never,
ever, ever met him.
690
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,960
So, you deny sleeping
with Andrew Morris.
691
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,000
100%. Don't know him,
never seen him.
692
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:35,680
I did offer to walk her back
to wherever she was going.
693
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,080
She said, "No, it's right,"
so I said OK.
694
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,680
OK, great. I'll do that.
Thanks, Andrew.
695
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,560
He said he'd meet.
696
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,560
Yeah, he's in Townsville.
697
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,640
I hope he's there.
Hope he hasn't just disappeared.
698
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,000
CAMERAMAN: That's it.
Thank you very much. We're rolling.
699
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,480
Tell me what happened.
700
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,640
Um, I just got a, er...a phone call,
701
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:06,560
um, from a detective.
702
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,840
He's looking at a homicide,
703
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,880
um, and just wondering
if I could come in
704
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,760
to have a look at some photos.
705
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,040
So, this one you were shown?
706
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,160
Yes.
And then what did police say to you?
707
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:28,320
Well, "How do you know her?"
708
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,800
I said, "I don't know. I can't
remember. She just looks familiar."
709
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,960
So, how did that person that
sort of looks familiar to you,
710
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:40,000
how did she then become the person
that you'd slept with at the beach?
711
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,520
With the information that
I was being provided by the police.
712
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,160
Like, they told me that she grew up
713
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:51,520
in the northern suburbs of Sydney.
714
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,520
They told me that she was
a "groupie",
715
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,760
following all the surf club
competitions.
716
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,240
Made me think, well,
"Oh, it must've been her.
717
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,320
"It must've been Keli Lane."
718
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:06,680
We had him ready to go,
719
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,680
he was sitting in that witness room
ready to go.
720
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:14,720
And then for reasons that
I still don't fully understand,
721
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,400
the decision was made
not to put him on the stand
722
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:18,680
and he was sent home.
723
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:23,720
Tedeschi came back and said,
"Oh, that's it, you're done.
724
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,160
"You don't have to give evidence."
725
00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:29,080
Something like, "We've done a deal
that you don't have to give evidence
726
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,160
"but neither does one of
Keli's witnesses."
727
00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:36,720
I wonder how important
THEIR story was, then?
728
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,680
(CAR HORN HONKS)
729
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,760
SHARON: I think they should have
heard from Natalie McCauley,
730
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,320
in fairness.
731
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,480
The jury should have heard
all of the evidence -
732
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:57,880
good, bad, or otherwise -
733
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,560
because that's what they do,
that's their job.
734
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,360
WOMAN: I won't ever forget
that night.
735
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,720
Summer, 1995.
736
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,240
At the time,
I was working at Royal Copenhagen,
737
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,080
in Manly Corso,
which is across from the Steyne.
738
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,160
I was sober, or may
have had one drink,
739
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:32,560
and Keli was there,
and she was a bit full up.
740
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,280
And she talked about this guy
she was having an affair with.
741
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,480
And what was his name?
Andrew.
742
00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:47,920
The Andrew is clear, because that's
my brother's name, so...
743
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:55,840
Keli told me about Andrew
at the right time period
744
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,880
that we're talking about.
745
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,560
I've been clear from that
from the start
746
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,800
and the jury never heard from me.
747
00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:08,160
You couldn't have invented this
memory, to help your friend?
748
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:10,200
No.
749
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,160
I worked for the United Nations,
750
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:14,120
as the Chief of Child Protection
in the Philippines.
751
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:20,760
And I would never lie for a friend
on such a serious issue.
752
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:25,760
I am passionate about children's
rights. I love children.
753
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,240
Every day, my waking hour,
I'm protecting kids.
754
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,120
I'm not about to let my friend
get off easy if she's hurt a child.
755
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,960
What difference could your evidence
have made
756
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,880
if the jury heard from you?
757
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,960
I've got two words for you -
reasonable doubt.
758
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,280
What did the DPP want to do
with Natalie McCauley?
759
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:53,880
Neutralise her.
760
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,520
Because if she was
going to be damaging
761
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,120
to the prosecution in any way,
762
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:06,920
they needed to neutralise any damage
that she may have on us,
763
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,800
on the prosecution.
764
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,200
The deal was that Natalie
wouldn't be called
765
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,000
in exchange for Andrew Morris
not being called.
766
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,440
And Andrew's evidence
would have been
767
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,920
that he shagged Keli on the beach.
768
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,440
Can you say with confidence...
769
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,360
Can you say at all
that it was Keli Lane
770
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,160
that you slept with
at the caravan park?
771
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,440
No.
772
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:47,960
I suppose I was led down to believe
that's who I slept with.
773
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,920
It snowballed
and just got bigger and bigger.
774
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,760
I didn't feel like, yeah...
I couldn't turn back.
775
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,040
Looking back on this now,
considering the pressure,
776
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:09,800
can you acknowledge the possibility
777
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,840
that Andrew Morris
was led or coached...
778
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,880
Yes.
..to come up with a memory?
779
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,560
Yes, I can see that in hindsight.
Yes, I can.
780
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:25,720
I don't like admitting that,
but, yeah, I can see that.
781
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,280
Do you have any idea why you weren't
called as a witness?
782
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:36,400
No.
783
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,520
You were traded out
in a witness swap.
784
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,680
For who?
785
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,040
A man called Andrew Morris.
786
00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:49,400
But he's not...he wasn't THE Andrew.
787
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,360
There is an Andrew and she had
slept with him a number of times.
788
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,840
Not once, a number of times.
789
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,320
And she told me that, that night.
790
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,280
This is not a reflection
on the different advocates at trial
791
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:12,000
but part of the game-playing
that goes on during a trial process.
792
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,680
I think there's an enormous lot
that the public doesn't know
793
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,800
about the game-playing.
794
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,200
If the jury didn't hear from
everyone they should have,
795
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:24,760
what does that make the trial?
796
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,680
I think it's not fair.
797
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,560
The jury needs to hear
from everybody.
798
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,920
KELI: I wish I stood up
in the stand.
799
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,240
I wish I told my side of the story.
800
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,360
There's a lot more to me
that the jury needed to know
801
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,560
than what the prosecution gave them.
802
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:53,720
She wouldn't participate
803
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,960
in being forensically,
psychologically, you know, assessed.
804
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:02,440
She just completely said no
to all of it.
805
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,720
You have to look in this whole
case in its whole totality
806
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:10,360
to go, "Something is seriously wrong
here with Keli."
807
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,160
What's the likelihood
of Keli Lane ever saying yes
808
00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:15,840
to being assessed
by a mental health practitioner?
809
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,720
Do you think she...
No. I don't think so.
810
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,440
Because I don't think she could face
what it would turn up.
811
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,160
How was your flight?
Good.
812
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:35,600
I'm Anne Buist,
a professor of psychiatry
813
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,520
specialising in mothers
and babies.
814
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:43,160
I've assessed hundreds of women
accused of abusing their child
815
00:48:43,240 --> 00:48:46,640
and over a dozen
of murdering their infant.
816
00:48:55,640 --> 00:49:00,160
It sounds as if it's been quite
a probing interviewing experience
817
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:01,640
for Keli.
818
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:03,160
Hello.
819
00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:06,960
I'm very interested to hear
what you have to say.
820
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:11,120
There's a great deal
of murkiness here.
821
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,320
She's the hardest,
most difficult case.
822
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:18,600
She differs very much to
the other cases that I have seen.
823
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,280
I'm just gonna rattle off
all of these names,
824
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,160
descriptions of Keli Lane,
825
00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:25,480
that we've been given
over the many months.
826
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:26,760
I'm just gonna go for it.
827
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,680
Is she a narcissist?
No.
828
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,040
Is she a pathological liar?
829
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,440
Not as a diagnosis, no.
830
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,240
Is she delusional?
No.
831
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,840
Is she evil?
No.
832
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,480
ELISE: You're sure
she's not mentally ill?
833
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,080
Certainly not in a diagnostic sense.
Absolutely certain of that.
834
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,880
What do you think drove Keli
to have all those pregnancies?
835
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,360
From a very early age,
she got the message
836
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:57,240
that her family didn't like dealing
with negative emotions.
837
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,200
They got pushed down.
They got squashed.
838
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:04,240
Her first sexual experience at 15,
which was a date rape,
839
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,920
which she blamed herself.
840
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,320
(RINGING TONE)
841
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,840
KELI: I was quite young
and I was intoxicated.
842
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,960
How do you see it,
how that date rape impacted you?
843
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,440
I think the lack of ownership.
844
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,920
I didn't value...I don't think
I valued my body
845
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,280
and my choices and my boundaries,
846
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,320
because everybody seemed to
just be so frivolous with it.
847
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:34,160
And I think, for whatever reason,
me feeling out of control,
848
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:39,600
I think that all contributed
to my choices and falling pregnant,
849
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,280
and not knowing how to manage it.
850
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,960
(CALL DISCONNECTS)
851
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,400
She certainly had empathic
identification with her children.
852
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,160
She breastfed them.
She had them in her care.
853
00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:57,200
So this was not just,
"Get this child out of my life."
854
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,160
ELISE: So, you can't see her
actively murdering the child?
855
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:03,720
Um...it just doesn't fit.
856
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,920
I can't find a coherent narrative
from a psychological sense,
857
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,920
apart from we know she has
this capacity
858
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,480
to disown her children,
859
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,920
um, and it fits into that.
860
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,200
Could Tegan be alive?
Yes.
861
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:23,640
REPORTER: A jury has spent almost
four months hearing evidence
862
00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:25,480
and submissions in this court.
863
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,880
Soon the group will retire
to consider
864
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,560
whether Keli Lane is guilty
or not guilty of murder.
865
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,440
In summing up the case,
Justice Anthony Whealy said,
866
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,080
"Suspicion,
even the gravest suspicion,
867
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,080
"is never a substitute
for proof beyond reasonable doubt."
868
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,520
..reasonable doubt
on the evidence.
869
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,560
To the jury going out
to consider their verdict,
870
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,040
I was uncertain
what the result would be.
871
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,680
Why do you think you were uncertain?
872
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,560
Because in my mind at least,
873
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,600
there was this doubt about
whether the Crown
874
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,760
had effectively demonstrated
beyond reasonable doubt
875
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,240
that the baby had not survived.
876
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:07,320
And I thought the jury might take
a similar view as well.
877
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,840
KELI: My team said, you know,
we've gotta trust
878
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,200
that the jury is smart enough
879
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,840
to see the story that
the Crown is putting up,
880
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,240
and that's all it is, is a story.
881
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,000
Everybody kept saying to me,
882
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,400
the longer the deliberations
go the better.
883
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,880
Six months of trial,
the worst case will be a hung jury.
884
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,680
Quote.
(CALL DISCONNECTS)
885
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,480
The jury deliberated
for quite a while.
886
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,640
Yes, it was a lengthy deliberation
887
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,120
What's that like, that wait?
888
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,320
Oh, it's. (LAUGHS)
For everyone.
889
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,720
ANTHONY: The voting was quite close
and the jury were in conflict.
890
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,880
The jury had indicated
they'd reached a point
891
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,320
where they could not agree.
892
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,920
11 people saying, "Yes, convict,"
893
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,520
and one person saying,
"Well, I'm not going to,"
894
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,040
and it seemed to me
that that point
895
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,200
could be only be resolved
by a majority verdict.
896
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,080
Look, as a Crown prosecutor,
897
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,760
I'm not there to achieve
convictions,
898
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,640
I'm there to see
that justice is done.
899
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:29,080
If we've presented the case properly
and in the best light,
900
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,640
we've performed our role.
901
00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:33,360
We were really confident
902
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,840
that the verdict would come out
in her favour.
903
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,120
There was a lot of tension
in the courtroom.
904
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,040
I was expecting not guilty
and he said guilty.
905
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,360
I just looked across
and I looked back at them.
906
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,080
I just couldn't believe it.
907
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:51,680
I'm still astounded now.
908
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,680
And then, you know, my poor...
909
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,200
..my poor girl collapsed.
910
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,560
And, um...
911
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,600
They wouldn't let me go over.
912
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:23,400
So, um, I started to walk around.
913
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,240
They said, "No, you can't, no."
914
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,240
And unfortunately I collapsed too.
915
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,520
It was such a shock.
916
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,840
If you think that doesn't touch
the judge,
917
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:44,440
er, you're quite wrong.
918
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,720
It does and it did.
919
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,520
SHARON: I was shocked
that Keli was found guilty.
920
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,040
I was stunned.
921
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,480
I honestly thought
that she would be found not guilty
922
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,880
because there had been
so many problems.
923
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,760
I believe she did...
she murdered her baby,
924
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,960
and she deserved due process,
however.
925
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,400
NEWSREADER: Tonight, guilty.
926
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,200
Keli Lane convicted
of murdering her baby daughter.
927
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,720
How are you feeling about
the sentence, Mrs Lane?
928
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,120
How's Keli? Have you had a chance
to speak to her?
929
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:20,720
Don't touch me please
930
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,000
Did the prosecution prove that
that baby was dead, Tegan was dead?
931
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,560
If I'd been the trier of fact -
932
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,680
and I wasn't,
let me stress that,
933
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,000
the jury were the trier of fact -
934
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:31,880
but if I had been
the trier of fact,
935
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:33,720
I might have had some doubt
about that.
936
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,280
In my mind, I've never been certain.
937
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,800
Never been certain.
938
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,640
And now?
939
00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:47,440
And now, years later,
I haven't changed my attitude.
940
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:11,440
The court will now adjourn.
941
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:23,640
By the end of the trial, it had been
such a harrowing experience for me
942
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:28,320
that I no longer wished to preside
over any criminal trial as a judge.
943
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,000
I didn't do any more
criminal trials after that.
944
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:39,520
Well, she still haunts me.
You know, it's still unsolved.
945
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,880
Nobody has ever found Tegan.
946
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:47,160
I've been medically discharged
with PTSD from the police,
947
00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:48,840
so this broke me.
948
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,840
REBBECCA BECROFT: I still
think about it.
949
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,080
I still think about it.
950
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:01,000
I have been to the hospital
951
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,920
and...um, where Tegan
was last seen...
952
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,320
..to, in my mind...
953
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,520
..lay her to rest with no body.
954
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,440
That's what nobody gets.
955
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:24,800
It's just how many lives
this has affected.
956
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:31,640
We've...
957
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,880
(SIGHS) ..chased down
every lead we can.
958
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,800
We've turned over
every stone for months.
959
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,320
We've gone back to her family
and her boyfriends
960
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,880
and her water polo teammates,
her friends
961
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,680
to try and find new things
and get an understanding of her.
962
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,720
We looked at the police
investigation,
963
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,200
we went through the trial.
964
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:58,880
There's one little piece
of information
965
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,320
I think now that's nagging
for both of us,
966
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,880
and that's what
that psychiatrist said.
967
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,320
She said there's something off,
968
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,160
there's something not quite right
with her story
969
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,360
about the name
"Andrew Norris/Morris."
970
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,560
ELISE: When you did
an assessment with her,
971
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,360
what were the things that didn't
sit right with you?
972
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:20,480
What stuck out?
973
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:24,400
The key thing was her manner
as she discussed Andrew Norris.
974
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,520
The Andrew Norris/Morris situation
975
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:31,880
was the key number
one, two and three thing.
976
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,640
Too superficial,
the body language changed.
977
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,960
There was something there
that didn't ring true,
978
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,600
and I can't actually say what it
was, what the truth is.
979
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,600
I don't know about you,
but I'm not convinced on the name.
980
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:54,360
But she has always stuck to that
story since the very beginning.
981
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,840
She's responded really badly
in the past
982
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,920
when police have tried to get
her to change her story
983
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,040
or get new information.
984
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:04,880
How are you feeling, Caro?
985
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,040
Anxious.
986
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,800
Because this is it.
987
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:19,200
This is her last opportunity
to just give something more.
988
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,280
Because everyone agrees
the name does not add up.
989
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,480
(RINGING TONE)
990
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:26,920
OK, this is it. Here we begin.
991
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,400
AUTOMATED VOICE: Go ahead, please.
KELI: Hi, Caro.
992
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:31,440
Hello, Keli.
993
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,240
So, through all of this,
you've spoken at length
994
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,560
and I've listened very attentively,
995
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:40,120
and now I want to take my turn
to talk for a while.
996
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:41,400
Sure.
OK.
997
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,760
We've raised big questions
about the police investigation,
998
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:48,000
about the trial, really things
that I thought we'd never find.
999
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,880
Right.
But there's another big question.
1000
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:52,720
And this one, it comes down to you.
1001
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,640
The name Andrew Morris,
Andrew Norris,
1002
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,680
something isn't quite right there.
1003
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,560
So I'm saying to you
I'm not convinced on this name
1004
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,320
and I need you to help me.
1005
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,720
I need you to give me
something here.
1006
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,000
I don't know why I should have to.
1007
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:10,480
Well, I can't give you
any more than what I know.
1008
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,840
And this feels like too, the same as
when I was before the coroner,
1009
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,160
and it's that pressure
and those threats of,
1010
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:17,840
"You know more, you know more."
1011
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,240
So, first name Andrew?
Yep.
1012
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,080
Surname?
1013
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,240
Norris. With an N.
1014
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,440
(CALL DISCONNECTS)
1015
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,160
(BEEPING)
1016
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:38,560
She's not going to change her mind.
She's not going to say anything.
1017
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,600
I have absolutely no reason
to pull this all apart again.
1018
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,640
Why would I pull it all apart again
1019
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,800
and bring this all to the surface
again?
1020
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,320
My family's life
is on the line here.
1021
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,120
You know, we're doing this for
a reason, it's got a purpose.
1022
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:53,280
And that reason?
1023
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,280
Is to find Tegan or it's to find
my baby, whatever her name...
1024
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:57,600
(BEEP!)
1025
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,920
But could you give her
or people out there a message
1026
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,960
that Andrew Norris may not
be his right full name?
1027
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,320
Absolutely. Absolutely.
1028
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:11,920
I don't know 100% if his name
is Andrew Norris
1029
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:13,920
because I don't know at the time
1030
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,800
if what he was telling me
was the truth.
1031
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,720
Or maybe I've made a mistake.
Of course that's a possibility.
1032
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,000
I'm sure his name is Andrew.
He responded to Andrew.
1033
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:24,560
OK.
1034
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,280
You've got there. OK.
Yeah.
1035
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,240
I don't want to be forced
there, though, Caro.
1036
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,280
I did it off my own bat.
(BEEP!)
1037
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:35,600
Done.
1038
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,840
Well, that's the first time
in decades
1039
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,400
that she's admitted
that the name that she gave
1040
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:42,760
could be the wrong name.
1041
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:48,480
So, is this just another
one of her lies
1042
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:51,360
or have we just gotten closer
to the truth?
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