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Please don't touch me.
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The Keli Lane case is like no other.
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NEWSREADER: A murder mystery.
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MAN: She's a murderer.
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The golden girl who ended up
a baby killer.
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MAN: There's no way
she'd kill a baby.
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REPORTER: Baby Tegan
was never seen again.
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MAN: Nothing was found.
Not anything.
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It doesn't add up.
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REPORTER: Lane told
more than 95 lies...
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WOMAN: She hadn't told a single
solitary person in her life.
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MAN: There is only really one person
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who can tell what happened,
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and that's Keli Lane.
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(DIAL TONE BEEPS)
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WOMAN: (ON PHONE) You are about to
receive a phone call from an inmate
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at the Silverwater Women's
Correctional Centre.
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Your conversation will be recorded
and may be monitored.
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If you do not wish to receive
this call, please hang up now.
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Go ahead, please.
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KELI LANE: Hello?
Hello.
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Hi, Caro. How are you?
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Well, today, these are going to be
hard conversations, but it's time.
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We need to talk about the day
you handed over Tegan.
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Yeah, yeah.
OK?
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What was that like then, Keli,
those final moments with Tegan,
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just mother and daughter alone?
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(TEARFULLY) It was awful...
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..because I'd been there before
and I knew how much it hurt.
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It was just so difficult
to make this decision again and...
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..basically to write myself
out of it.
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And I was kicking myself too,
"Why am I here again?"
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(CRIES)
"Why am I here again?"
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Yep.
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Were you thinking...
were you thinking rationally?
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I think...I knew the steps
I had to take,
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I just don't know that I wanted
to do it so much, you know?
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It was really hard.
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All I kept just thinking was, "It's
the best choice for everybody."
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It's... You know?
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I just knew there's no way
that I could take her home
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and...be the parent I wanted to be.
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Did you want to take her home?
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Of course. (WEEPS)
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Of course.
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(BEEP)
(PHONE HANGS UP)
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She was clearly a mess.
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Whether she thinks she was thinking
rationally or not, she wasn't.
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(PHONE RINGS)
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Go ahead, please.
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Hello?
Hi.
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Hi.
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You said before, Keli,
you didn't wanna give her away
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but you couldn't take her home...
Yeah.
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And I've gotta ask you this,
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is there any way that you could
have done something to Tegan?
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You could have harmed her...
There is no way...
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..without you knowing or intending...
There is no way.
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I would have just left her there.
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If Andrew didn't turn up...
He told me he was going to turn up
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and if he didn't turn up,
I would have just left her there,
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or I would have just gone down
the exact same path as before.
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I would have asked for some help,
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I would have asked
to see an adoption agency
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and I would have done the exact
same thing I did 18 months earlier.
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Do you trust your memories
of that day?
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I remember that day
clearer than anything else.
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I've replayed it
and thought about it and...
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I know a lot of people think
I'm cold and callous,
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but those children were very
important to me and I loved them.
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I thought I was doing
the right thing by them.
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(BEEP)
(PHONE HANGS UP)
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(SIGHS)
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When you referred this matter to
police, John, what did you suspect?
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I suspected foul play.
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Something happened with Tegan...
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..which wasn't good.
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So from the beginning, this wasn't
just a missing persons case?
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No.
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What did you stress to them?
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That they follow through.
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And that they investigate it fully.
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And it didn't happen.
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I was at work
and Detective Matthew Kehoe rang me
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and told me
that he was assigned the case.
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Coincidentally, Detective Kehoe
knew Keli Lane's father quite well.
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In fact, Keli Lane's father
had been a police officer
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at the Manly police station
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several years earlier.
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He should have been taken
off the case.
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It should have been sent
to another police station
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'cause there's a conflict
of interest.
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It was undesirable.
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A couple of weeks later,
he rings me up and says,
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"Keli's gone overseas with a friend.
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"I'll let you know what's happening
when she comes back."
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Did you hear from Detective Kehoe
again?
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No. No. That was it.
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That was it.
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The initial investigation
by Senior Constable Kehoe was...
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..perfunctory.
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He went through some of the ropes.
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He did some of the things
that he should have done
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but not all of them.
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A parlously bad investigation
by Manly detectives.
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It was really ordinary.
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What was going on then, do you think,
in those early days?
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I don't know. I don't know
and I'm not going to speculate.
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I don't know why the police initial
investigation was a rough one.
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You'd have to talk to them.
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They probably don't want
to talk to you.
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So Detective Matthew Kehoe
won't speak to me on camera.
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Absolutely not.
And he did tell me one thing,
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he really made it clear
that his relationship
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with Robert Lane, Keli's father,
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did not impact on his work at all.
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He was investigating this case
without fear or favour,
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and he wasn't biased.
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He said there were other things
going on
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at Manly police station at the time.
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He said it was the worst period
of his life
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and that he still hasn't recovered.
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So if it's not the relationship
with Keli's dad that was the issue,
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then what was going on
at Manly police station?
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Hello. I understand
you've got something for me?
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(DISTORTED MALE VOICE) Two USBs.
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Um, you'll need to recover
the data on it, however.
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The data has been deleted.
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Are you worried,
handing over this sort of stuff?
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Absolutely. It's a matter of trust
but it's also transparency.
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If you're going to tell the story,
tell it properly.
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In its entirety.
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Where's the software?
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Far out, I can't remember
where this...
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Applications?
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Data recovery. Found it. Here you go.
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Do we need to do a deep scan?
Yep, yep.
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OK, what type of files
do we want to recover?
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All file types.
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Photos, audio, video, emails,
documents, others.
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OK.
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Oh, off it goes.
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We'll see.
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WORTHINGTON: On the USB,
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there's a series
of police statements
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and internal police documents
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including integrity
commission files.
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At the time of the Keli Lane
investigation,
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there was this
massive corruption probe going on
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at Manly police office.
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Now, it says Matthew Kehoe
isn't suspected of being corrupt
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but he's just surrounded by chaos.
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Six officers have been charged
and found guilty
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of offences including drug
trafficking, bribery and theft
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at the Manly and Northern Beaches
commands.
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And now, this is another statement
from Detective Matthew Kehoe.
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He says
the entire Manly Detectives Office
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gets shut down as part of the probe.
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"I remember returning to the office
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"to find a pile of computers
had been disconnected
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"together with briefs of evidence
and case files
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"all in a massive pile
in the middle of the room."
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And then...comes this.
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"I am aware that several documents
and videotapes were removed
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"from the case files and briefs
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"but am unable to say if the
Keli Lane brief was tampered with."
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How did your parents respond?
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I'm told your dad was a bit upset.
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KELI: (ON PHONE) Oh, 'upset'
is a bit of a strong word,
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but I think he was shocked
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because in his eyes,
I was still very young.
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But, of course, imagine
what it felt like telling him,
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"We're pregnant,
we're having a child",
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knowing that I already had three.
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That was such a massive burden.
I felt terrible, tricking them.
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I'm wondering what your attitude was
to, say, pregnancy before marriage?
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Well, I would have been shocked,
not shocked that she was pregnant,
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but shocked
that it had happened to her.
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And the first thing I would
have said to her is,
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"Didn't you use...er, safe sex
as far as pregnancy?"
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Contraception's the word
you're looking for.
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Or contraception, yeah.
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But it's done and we'll have
to get on with it, you know?
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That's a father's attitude.
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But I would have come round,
because we were pretty close.
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Oh, it's here.
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We're going to see Dr James Ferry.
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He was Keli Lane's obstetrician
for the daughter that she's kept.
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Hello.
Hello.
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Are you Caro?
I am. You're Dr Ferry.
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Yeah, hello. How are you?
Hey, nice to meet you.
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Have a seat, Caro.
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Do you remember Keli?
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I do have a memory of this girl.
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I remember her as being blonde
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and just a typical chirpy,
happy Northern Beaches mum.
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How many times did she come
to see me?
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10.
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That is a very compliant,
very good patient.
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She came regular as clockwork.
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It's very different
to her previous history
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with her pregnancies, Dr Ferry.
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This is a printout,
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a spreadsheet, essentially, of all of
her Medicare doctor's appointments.
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Have a look at what she did
when she was pregnant
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for these three times beforehand, OK?
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OK, OK.
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This first child, right,
she falls pregnant in 1994.
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Yeah.
She doesn't see a doctor at all...
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..until after she's given birth,
and it's now March, 1995.
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That's totally unusual.
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She does it again with Tegan.
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The whole pregnancy,
she hasn't seen a doctor.
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She does it again.
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In 1999, she falls pregnant,
she doesn't see a doctor.
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No medical appoint...
nothing during these pregnancies.
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I'm a bit blown away by that. Um...
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..the one word that comes to mind
is denial.
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Is this the same person?
No.
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No, I don't think so.
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I don't think so. It can't be.
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Not emotionally,
not psychologically.
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That's a different species
from the one I saw.
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Very different.
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This is an electronically
recorded interview
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between Detective Senior Constable
Mathew James Kehoe and Keli Lane.
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Miss Lane, will you
please state your full name
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and spell your surname?
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Keli Lane, L-A-N-E.
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Why was she there? Why was
she being questioned by police?
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She's being questioned
because the child's whereabouts
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was reported to the police
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as, I think, a missing child,
a missing person,
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and she was there as the mother
to clear that up.
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In your words,
can you just explain to us
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when the child was born and what
happened subsequent to that?
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After a brief affair with, ah, the
father of the child, I gave birth.
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We made an arrangement that he would
come and take custody of Tegan
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um, as I was unable to take care
of her myself,
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and, um, he dropped me home, um,
and then took Tegan with him
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into his care.
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OK, and you told me
that the person that you...
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Or is the natural father
of the child is Andrew Morris.
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Is that correct?
That's correct.
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To your knowledge, is there any
reason why Andrew wanted to adopt
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or care for Tegan?
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Well, he's the natural father
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and I, um, was, um...unable to,
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to take custody of her myself.
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I think as you've explained it,
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you don't have an address for...
for Andrew.
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Is that right?
No. I don't know where he is.
253
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Why was Keli Lane unrepresented?
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WOMAN: I don't know whether
she was advised to bring a lawyer,
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but initially it was,
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"We will need to talk to you
about this child you gave birth to.
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"We just want to know
what happened."
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I noticed you were unrepresented
in the interview.
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KELI: Yeah.
I wondered why?
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Um, I didn't understand
the seriousness of it.
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Um, when he called me,
it sounded just very casual.
262
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He made it out to be like
a custody issue.
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Before we finish, is there any
questions you wanted to ask of me?
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No.
No?
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I think she was hoping to turn up
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and convince police
that Tegan was still alive.
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The interview is suspended.
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KELI: (ON PHONE) I was very, very
happy to have her.
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She was mine
and I really prided myself
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on putting in as much as I could
to make her a happy little baby.
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Best time of my life. Loved it.
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And once she arrived
that's when I really realised,
273
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wow, you should have just
been honest from the start.
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When a little baby arrives,
no-one really cares, in the end.
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I think everybody is happy.
276
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So it was not until it got
to Detective Gaut
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that a really thorough investigation
commenced.
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Yes, it's Richard Gaut
from Manly detectives, in Sydney.
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And he was an outsider.
He came in to Manly?
280
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He was an outsider, yes.
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So he contacts Keli Lane
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and she was formally interviewed
by Detective Gaut.
283
00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,520
Now, there was such
a long period of time
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between her questioning
by Detective Kehoe
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and her questioning
by Detective Gaut,
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that I think she had forgotten
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exactly what she told
Detective Kehoe.
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In a previous interview
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with Detective Kehoe...
Mm-hm.
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..you'd mentioned the...
291
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You had said the father of the child
was an Andrew Morris, with an 'M'.
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Do you agree with that?
293
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That I told Detective Kehoe
it was Morris?
294
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Morris. That's right.
Sorry, I'm confused.
295
00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:14,480
OK.
Sorry.
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And she says, "No, no, no,
it's Norris. With an 'N'."
297
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Well, firstly, do you,
do you agree that you...
298
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I made a mistake, yes,
I told Detective Kehoe one name
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and I told you a different name.
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Alright.
Yeah. Sorry.
301
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So she realised
that she'd got it wrong.
302
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Do you know the father
of the child's name?
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Yes, I do.
What is it?
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Andrew Norris.
Norris?
305
00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,520
Yes.
OK. So... Alright.
306
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So, at this stage,
you believe it to be Andrew Norris?
307
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Yes.
OK.
308
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BECROFT: It was just
the way she said it
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and it's like, "No, no, no,
it's not Morris, it's Norris."
310
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Now, it's your opportunity now,
if you've been telling us lies,
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for whatever reason,
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if you know where the child is
or what happened to the child,
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it's your opportunity
to tell us now.
314
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Do you want to tell me anything?
315
00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,240
No.
316
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Did you kill the child?
317
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,240
No, I did not!
I did not do anything like that!
318
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Did someone else?
319
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,040
No! No!
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Alright, Keli. Like I said,
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I'm going to have to make
a lot of inquiries now,
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I'm going to have to go...
Please, don't!
323
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:40,400
This is going to go through
the Coroners Court,
324
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,000
there'll be a Coroners Court
hearing in relation to it, right?
325
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That's why I say to you now,
326
00:20:50,360 --> 00:20:51,880
if there's something
you're not telling us,
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now is the time to tell us.
328
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,440
(SIGHS)
329
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,000
I don't understand how...
Can you...can we stop the tape?
330
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,880
Can I speak without...the tape on?
331
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,400
I'd rather you do it on the tape.
OK.
332
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,640
I don't understand
how you're gonna...
333
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,400
..go and speak with my parents,
or people like that
334
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,240
who have no idea what you're going
to be talking about.
335
00:21:30,120 --> 00:21:32,440
This is between me and Andrew.
336
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,800
But he said it would be
a great idea.
337
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,520
He told me not to connect him.
338
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,520
Have you watched those
police interview videos?
339
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:50,520
No. It'd only be distressing
to see her under the cosh.
340
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,280
No doubt the police
were in a terrific position,
341
00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:58,160
because if I found out, I would've
said to her, "Don't say anything.
342
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,680
"Don't say anything more.
Go to a solicitor."
343
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,480
Do you understand, the information
you've given me, alright..
344
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,000
I'm very open-minded
and very reasonable,
345
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,240
but the information you've given me,
right,
346
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,840
makes me highly suspicious that
something has happened to the child.
347
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,880
Nothing happened to her.
Nothing has happened to her.
348
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,320
He said he would contact me
if there was an emergency,
349
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,280
I have not heard cooee from them,
not one word.
350
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,720
Detective Gaut had made it
very clear to Keli Lane
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that he didn't believe her story
352
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,600
of handing over the child
to the natural father
353
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,320
and having changed his name
from Andrew Morris to Andrew Norris.
354
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,560
So let's go back to the beginning.
355
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:38,600
KELI: (ON PHONE) OK yep.
356
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,520
Which pub did you meet Andrew Norris?
At the Town Hall Hotel.
357
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,640
We drank, we played some pool,
358
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,560
just like a normal first meeting,
you know, just chatting away
359
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,880
and, you know, flirting.
360
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,280
Did he have any friends there?
Was he in a group?
361
00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:04,120
Yeah, he often had, like,
two or three people around him.
362
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,200
And, I mean, I think there were
a lot of nicknames.
363
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,320
There was one name
that was tossing around, 'Dipper'.
364
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,160
Dipper? Like, D-I-P-P...
D-I-P-P-E-R.
365
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:13,400
OK. Dipper.
Yeah, yeah.
366
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,760
But it was obviously a nickname,
but, yeah.
367
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:16,800
OK, good.
368
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,800
So when you decided to spend
more time with Andrew that night,
369
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,280
where did Andrew tell you
that he was taking you?
370
00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:25,280
To his place.
OK.
371
00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:30,360
He just put it on me, really.
372
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,440
He just sort of said,
"Do you wanna come back to mine?"
373
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,160
I remember we went out
onto the street
374
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,680
and there was sort of a few people
hanging around.
375
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,280
I think there was a bottle shop
just outside the door.
376
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,160
I just remember walking along past
the two pubs that are down there.
377
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:52,360
And then was literally less than
two minutes then into his place.
378
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,120
(BEEP)
(PHONE HANGS UP)
379
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,200
TEDESCHI: Keli Lane claimed to have
had an affair with this man
380
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,600
for several months
at a unit in Balmain.
381
00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:12,520
Detective Gaut kept pressing her,
"Well, show us which unit."
382
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,600
Eventually, she went around
with the police
383
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,960
and pointed out
a block of home units
384
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,480
and pointed out one particular unit
in this block.
385
00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:04,560
Are you absolutely 100% that
that's the right apartment block?
386
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:05,880
KELI: (ON PHONE) Yeah, I am.
387
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,920
And actually, over time,
I'm more sure now than ever.
388
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,240
ABERNETHY: The police went back to
and spoke to tenants and owners.
389
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,480
They couldn't find a Norris
or a Morris
390
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,720
that had anything to do with that
little block of flats in Balmain.
391
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,720
We're able to prove
that nobody of that name
392
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,520
had lived in that unit
or in that building at the time...
393
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,240
During the right period
when the affair...
394
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,960
At the time when the affair
was occurring, yes.
395
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,480
When was the first time
you went with Andrew Norris
396
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:45,680
to Wisbeach Street?
397
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,120
Can you remember the month?
398
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,200
KELI: (ON PHONE) It would have been
either the tail end of September,
399
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:52,440
early October.
400
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,520
OK. Of 1995?
401
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,920
Of 1995, yep.
402
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:02,200
We have a rental list that begins
from late December...
403
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:03,960
Yeah, OK.
404
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:16,800
These are the six units
that are of interest to us.
405
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,960
Unit 2, unit 3.
406
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,320
Unit 10, unit 11.
407
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,360
19...
408
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,920
..and unit 20.
409
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,040
Now, at this point in time,
410
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:35,760
we're stuck
because of the rental records,
411
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,760
they don't go back far enough.
412
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,240
Have you got a few minutes?
Yes.
413
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,120
So I'm making contact
with everyone I can find
414
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,280
that used to live
at 24 Wisbeach Street.
415
00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:47,400
Yeah.
416
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,880
Have police ever tried to
get in touch with you?
417
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,160
MAN: (ON PHONE) No.
418
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:52,720
So what I'm trying to figure out
419
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,480
is who is living
in all the two-bedroom ones.
420
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,440
WOMAN: (ON PHONE) Yeah, upstairs
there a Marilyn,
421
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,200
can't even think of her surname.
422
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,120
Ah, OK, understood.
423
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,080
I'm so sorry.
Thank you for your help.
424
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,200
Passed away.
425
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:06,840
A long time ago.
426
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,240
RECORDED MESSAGE: Please check
the number and try again.
427
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,640
WOMAN: (OH PHONE) Well, I'm pleased
to be able to inform you
428
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,200
we were living there then.
429
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,200
We can rule out now unit 19,
the brother and sister.
430
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:27,240
Unit 3 where a man called Bill
lived, definitely wasn't him.
431
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,680
Two brothers in Unit 11,
it's not them.
432
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,680
Unit 20, it was a couple of girls.
433
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:39,720
Unit 10, this bloke moved in
at end of December 1995.
434
00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:44,800
Unit 10, that's the one
that Keli Lane pointed out.
435
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,800
Who was there before him?
It's a mystery.
436
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:59,560
How thorough was that canvassing
was of Wisbeach Street in Balmain?
437
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,920
I believe it was thorough
and I think it was done twice.
438
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,160
I thought that Gaut did it,
439
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,560
and then I think the Homicide people
went back there.
440
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,440
WOMAN: We investigate cases of
miscarriages of justice.
441
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,520
We believe that Keli Lane
is one of those cases.
442
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,120
The police got a history
of the previous tenants,
443
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,080
but there's an amazing assumption
that any tenancy or lease agreement
444
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,440
must have been in the name
of Andrew Norris.
445
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,600
Like, I know any number of people
who are subletting.
446
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,480
And then there was a witness
who remembered seeing mail
447
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,720
addressed to an Andrew Norris.
448
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,520
So the police only had a name
to go on in the rental records,
449
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,280
they didn't have a photo of him,
obviously,
450
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:57,360
but they had a photo of...Keli Lane
451
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:02,200
and the police say
that they showed this photo
452
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,640
to all of the tenants at Wisbeach
Street and no-one recognised her,
453
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,920
but did they get
to every single person?
454
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,720
Because if someone did see her
at this building
455
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,800
that would change everything.
456
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,320
There is a Darryl Henson.
457
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,360
Darryl has never been found.
458
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,200
OK, so I think I've just found
Darryl Henson on Facebook.
459
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,360
WORTHINGTON: What does
he look like now?
460
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,080
Oh, yeah, that's him for sure.
461
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:42,880
"Hi, Darryl.
462
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,080
"Did you used to live
in Balmain, Sydney?"
463
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,680
Sent.
464
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,160
Here he is, here he is, here he is!
465
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,280
"Yep, sure did."
466
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,120
DARRYL: (ON COMPUTER) Hello.
Hi!
467
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,840
See that face?
468
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,560
Yeah. I do remember seeing her.
469
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,240
I just... I didn't know her name,
though.
470
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:08,920
So this person here?
471
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,240
Yeah, that's the one I remember
seeing, the sandy-haired girl.
472
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,840
You remember seeing this person
in the flat, in the building?
473
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,040
Yeah, I remember that blonde girl,
yeah.
474
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,320
Are you sure...
475
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,560
..you saw this girl
or is it something you've seen now
476
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,160
and you think, "Oh, yeah, maybe"
having a bit of a guess?
477
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,000
No, no, I definitely saw her.
That's the person I remember.
478
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,200
She looked just like that too.
479
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,360
Darryl, thank you so much
for speaking with me.
480
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:37,840
Bye.
Bye.
481
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,920
What the what?
482
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,840
This can NOT be possible.
483
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,400
I'm sitting in a hotel room
in Auckland, New Zealand,
484
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,240
waiting for Darryl Henson
to come and meet me.
485
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,080
The police just said
that their searches
486
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,160
of all the tenants at Wisbeach Street
were exhaustive,
487
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,240
that basically they managed
to get in touch with everyone.
488
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,640
Well, they didn't get in touch
with me.
489
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,280
I'd be under the building,
in the car park
490
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,560
and this lady would exit
through that area
491
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,800
when I was working on my car.
492
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,520
I saw her so many times, actually,
that I thought she lived there.
493
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:35,880
What time would it have been?
494
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,640
Oh, it was quite late.
495
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,920
Sometimes 1:00 at night.
496
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,840
'Cause I did used to work on my car
497
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,480
until the early hours
of the morning.
498
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,920
She probably couldn't see me
in the dark.
499
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,960
(CHUCKLES) But I remember her.
500
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,480
I used to think she was brave,
leaving late at night.
501
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,840
You know, most people would be
a bit frightened but she wasn't.
502
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,320
You see, it's incredible
that you're saying you remember her.
503
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:04,320
Yeah.
504
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,920
Because police couldn't find
anyone...
505
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,880
Oh.
..who remembered her there.
506
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,120
Well, there was no-one else
down in the car park
507
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,720
working on the car, was there?
508
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,400
I mean, are you so sure
as to be confident...
509
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,360
Would you sit, say, in a court of law
and say, "I saw this girl?"
510
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,520
Oh, yeah, definitely. Yeah.
511
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,960
Yeah, I'm confident 100%
that I saw her.
512
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,600
I wish I could help more, that
I knew who the other guy is, but no.
513
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,520
I just remember seeing her.
514
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,040
The prosecution and the police
said that she was lying.
515
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,400
Oh.
That no-one ever saw her there.
516
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:40,920
That she'd made it up.
517
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,640
Oh, no. She did go there, yeah.
518
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,520
So she wasn't lying about that.
519
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,720
Are you absolutely sure?
520
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,720
Yeah. I'm absolutely sure.
That's her.
521
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,600
I remember her leaving. Yeah.
522
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,840
What if I told you that there is a
tenant that the police never reached
523
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,680
that remembers seeing Keli Lane
at Wisbeach Street?
524
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,120
That would be very...significant.
525
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:20,160
So if Keli Lane had been seen
in the vicinity of Wisbeach Street,
526
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,920
in or without the company
of Andrew Norris,
527
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,800
that immediately suggest that her
story has an element to truth in it.
528
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,760
That would be
very compelling evidence.
529
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,840
(PHONE RINGS)
530
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,000
MAN: Hello.
KELI: Hello.
531
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,040
I've organised my hen's day
invitations.
532
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,240
Oh, OK.
533
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,600
Can you, um, print off our
wedding guest list for me, please?
534
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:55,880
Yep.
535
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,000
WOMAN: I was only thinking today
it's your wedding next month.
536
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,400
I know!
537
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:08,760
She hadn't told a single
solitary person in her life
538
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,240
about any of these children.
539
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,240
Not her parents, not her boyfriend,
not any of her friends,
540
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:19,400
not a single person in her life knew
that she'd had these three children.
541
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,040
(PHONE RINGS)
542
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,120
Hello?
543
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,720
MAN: Hello, Keli.
544
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:27,200
Hello?
545
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,000
Don't know what's wrong
with our phone,
546
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,800
you can't hear anything and then...
Hello, Keli.
547
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,600
(CALL DISCONNECTS)
Hello?
548
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,360
(PHONE RINGS)
549
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,720
(RECORDED MESSAGE) Hi, this is Keli.
Just leave a message, thanks.
550
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,440
Yeah, Keli, could you ring
Richard Gaut please? Thanks.
551
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:53,360
Hi, it's Kel.
552
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,320
Um, tomorrow, Thursday,
553
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,560
I was wondering if you could play
with (BLEEP) in the morning
554
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,160
from about 9:00-ish
till about lunch time.
555
00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:03,720
I've got and do a dress fitting.
556
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,280
MAN: Do you understand the way
we're looking at this inquiry?
557
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,960
We've got a child who's missing, who
we're presuming is not alive now.
558
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,280
The matter is obviously going to
go before the coroner at this stage
559
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:21,560
because we have a missing child.
560
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,880
Well, it's just going to become
a massive issue, isn't it?
561
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,120
Everybody's going to know,
562
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,920
and my mum and dad and (BLEEP)
563
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,200
they're not going to let me,
564
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,240
they're not going want to be
near me, are they?
565
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,040
After everything they hear, I guess
everything that you've looked into,
566
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,600
that's just going to become
public fodder,
567
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,680
and who's going to let me stay
with my daughter?
568
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,280
No-one's gonna stop you from staying
with your daughter.
569
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:54,360
What really stood out for me is
how concerned and stressed she was
570
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,880
about people finding out about this.
571
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,880
Do you think a counsellor
would help?
572
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,280
We could put you in contact
with someone
573
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,480
if you wanted to speak anonymously.
574
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,280
(PHONE RINGS)
575
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:11,520
Hello?
576
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,440
Keli, Denise Benfield
from Queenscliff Health Centre.
577
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:15,520
Yep.
578
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,360
Richard Gaut's asked me
to give you a call,
579
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,840
wanting to know
if we could offer you a service.
580
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,000
Right, yeah.
581
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,280
I'm in the adult
mental health section.
582
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:25,800
Yes.
(DOORBELL RINGS)
583
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,280
Hi, Denise.
Hi, Caro.
584
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,120
Thanks for having me.
Welcome.
585
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,560
I'm so glad I found you.
586
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,560
Have you ever spoken publicly
about Keli Lane or anything...
587
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,720
No, no, no.
588
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:44,880
I was working as a clinical nurse
specialist in psychiatry.
589
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,320
A message came through from
the crisis team at Manly Hospital.
590
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,560
The police were wanting
an assessment for Keli Lane
591
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,880
and they had refused to do it.
592
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,880
They recommended
that we didn't see her.
593
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,360
There was no mental health issues
at the time.
594
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:13,240
And the impression was
the police wanted her to be seen,
595
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,320
spill her guts,
596
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,840
and then they would
subpoena the file.
597
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,200
What did you decide to do?
598
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:25,080
Well, my impression was that
this was a person, a woman,
599
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,520
who was in need of support,
600
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,840
and that's the reason
I chose to see her.
601
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,800
I don't believe
she would have harmed a child.
602
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,720
I don't believe
that was in her nature.
603
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:51,000
She was a young woman who came from
a very strict upbringing
604
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,480
who made some poor decisions
in her life.
605
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,320
She spoke about her father
606
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,520
and not wanting to bring shame
to the family.
607
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:08,840
The fear of telling her parents
was enormous.
608
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,240
My belief was
609
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,240
that she needed to tell her parents
610
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,280
before the police did.
611
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,800
WOMAN: It was one of those days
that, sort of...
612
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,520
ROBERT LANE:
You don't want to remember.
613
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,000
..don't want to remember.
614
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,240
What did she say?
615
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,160
She said, "Oh, Mom, something's
happened..." Something like that.
616
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:43,720
"..a long time ago, and I have
to tell you now because..."
617
00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:47,320
I think that's when she said,
618
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,080
"The police are going
to come and see you."
619
00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:56,800
What do you remember her
telling you?
620
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,000
That she'd had a baby.
621
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,440
That, um...
622
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,480
Oh. How did she put it?
623
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,080
Something like, "They think
I've done something to it.
624
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,160
"But I haven't."
625
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,160
All of this has been
a huge shock to me because...
626
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,400
..I always thought that I was on top
of things in the family,
627
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:27,840
but obviously I wasn't.
628
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,360
And I do sincerely think
that a lot of it was because
629
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,440
she was trying to protect
her father and myself...
630
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,120
..because if you're known
in the community,
631
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:43,320
you've got a certain...
632
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,200
..name, I guess, and, um...
633
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:48,720
..she would have been aware of that
634
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,240
from all of the things
we were involved in.
635
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,720
And I guess that was her major
thought is that, you know,
636
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,040
"I can't hurt Mum and Dad."
637
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,160
You know when Keli first told you
the story about,
638
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:02,600
"I gave baby Tegan
to Andrew Norris"...
639
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:03,800
Mmm.
640
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,640
..did you believe it straightaway?
641
00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:06,760
Yeah, I did.
642
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,000
Because I wouldn't think
she'd do anything else.
643
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,880
If she hadn't given it up
for adoption
644
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,160
she certainly wouldn't have do
anything else.
645
00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:16,680
(PHONE RINGS)
646
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,040
Hello.
KELI: Hi, Mum, it's me.
647
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:19,760
Hi.
Hi. How are you?
648
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,920
You know, I mean, you told me
that this young guy's
649
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,320
taken the baby to raise it?
650
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:24,440
Yeah.
651
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,920
Which is really unusual,
you must admit yourself.
652
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:27,920
Yeah.
653
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,520
So was this child still alive
up until three years ago?
654
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:33,240
Up until...?
655
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,440
Well, you said they first
contacted you three years ago.
656
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,200
Yeah, I'm under the assumption
she still is now.
657
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,240
And that he's just disappeared
with the child?
658
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:43,760
Yeah.
659
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,080
Just so unlike a young bloke
to want to raise a child.
660
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:48,320
It's just...
661
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,440
That's the thing
I just can't sort of grip.
662
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:54,760
But obviously
that's what you agreed.
663
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,680
Isn't it?
664
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,960
Well, I didn't really have
too many options.
665
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,440
She would not kill a child, so...
666
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,960
You know, that's my belief,
and I feel very firmly about that.
667
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,320
(WEDDING BELLS CHIME)
668
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,320
WOMAN: I can remember going
to her wedding.
669
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,840
Any signs there that she was...
Absolutely not.
670
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,760
I just don't remember there being
any angst at that wedding.
671
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,120
It was a beautiful wedding.
672
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,000
There was no gossip going on.
673
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,720
MAN: The worst enemy
for coronial inquests
674
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,320
in relation to missing persons
is time.
675
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,240
I don't think I've ever seen
anything like it.
676
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,960
When I read the brief of evidence
I couldn't put it down.
677
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,560
It was like reading
an Agatha Christie book.
678
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:12,680
I was hopeful.
679
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,480
I still had this hope in my mind
680
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,440
that the child was alive
and we'll find her.
681
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,400
"I'll give you immunity.
682
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,160
"Come clean and tell us
where the child is."
683
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,880
If she had come forward
to the police and told them,
684
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,080
"Look, I was depressed at the time,
685
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,440
"I might've been suffering
some postnatal depression, or...
686
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,640
"Couldn't keep this child
for whatever reason.
687
00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:54,040
"I did the wrong thing
and I've disposed of the child."
688
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,000
And then maybe helped police
find the body.
689
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,600
I had the power to grant her
a certificate of immunity
690
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,840
in relation to any criminal offence,
691
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,040
except the criminal offence
of murder.
692
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,760
(OVER RECORDING) I've convened
this court today on the basis
693
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,720
that the proceedings are heard in
camera, and this is a closed court.
694
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,800
I suppose the message I want
to get through to Miss Lane
695
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,720
is that if there is any information
that she can get to the police
696
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,760
that might find Tegan alive or dead,
697
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,720
now is the time to do it,
698
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,480
because after today
the gloves will come off,
699
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:34,760
and I will use the media to try and
get information in the community.
700
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,800
The media will turn this
into a nightmare.
701
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,480
It will be a media event.
702
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,960
It was her get-out-of-jail free card
here that was presenting itself?
703
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:49,120
Yeah, it was a get-out-of-jail card
if she hadn't done anything wrong.
704
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:59,560
She came back to court in October
knowing
705
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:04,080
that her world as she knew
it was about to be blown apart.
706
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,600
"Tell us where Tegan is. Tell us."
707
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:10,920
What did she do?
708
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,600
She didn't come forward
with anything.
709
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,880
So you never entertained
taking that deal?
710
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,480
KELI: (OVER PHONE) No. No.
711
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:22,800
Wow.
712
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,040
Even when it meant you wouldn't have
spent a day in jail?
713
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,640
No way. No.
714
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:32,160
Even if I sold her or gave her
to unknown parties,
715
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:35,120
why would I say that
if it's not correct?
716
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,920
I am not going to admit
to something I didn't do.
717
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,400
I'm not going to put my hand up
and say I hurt my own child
718
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:41,720
when I didn't.
719
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:42,960
No.
720
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,000
Excuse me, please.
REPORTER: Mrs Lane?
721
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:53,000
Excuse me, please.
722
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,480
REPORTER: Keli, do you know
where Tegan is?
723
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,880
NEWSREADER: A coroner
has ordered an inquiry
724
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,400
into the suspected death
of a baby girl.
725
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,840
We're hoping that with
the assistance of the media
726
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,840
that we can find the baby alive
and well and a healthy child today.
727
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,040
REPORTER: Keli Lane
left the Coroners Court
728
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:11,960
but she'll be back
for a full inquiry
729
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,040
into the suspected death of Tegan.
730
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,880
ABERNETHY: It was a case
I wanted to get to the bottom of.
731
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,880
There were lots and lots
of questions begging to be answered.
732
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,640
Tell us more about Norris or Morris.
What did he look like?
733
00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:39,960
How old was he?
You know, what was he like?
734
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,760
MAN: How many Andrew Norrises in NSW
have you ruled out in trying
735
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,120
to find the father of this baby?
736
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,640
There's a lot of Andrew Norrises
who we've looked into but...
737
00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:51,080
It's a difficult task...
738
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,960
What had the police done
and how far had they gone
739
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,200
in terms of this search
740
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,680
to try and find the biological
father, Andrew Morris/Norris?
741
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,040
MAN: My position at the inquest
on Keli's behalf
742
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,000
was that they hadn't done enough.
743
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,160
On reading the brief
744
00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:10,960
there were great big gaping holes
in the investigation.
745
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,320
BECROFT: The investigation
wasn't complete.
746
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:20,720
So we came into it
and we took it to another level.
747
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,320
We needed to make inquiries with
the telecommunications company
748
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,560
in relation to phone records
for Keli,
749
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,400
whether she had a mobile phone.
750
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,680
And that did reveal
she had a mobile phone in '96
751
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,360
but not until December.
752
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,960
So there was no phones registered
in her name
753
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,080
until December of '96,
754
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,440
so three months
after Tegan was born.
755
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,440
What did that make those records?
756
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:52,960
Well, they weren't relevant.
757
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,560
And when was the last occasion
that you spoke
758
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,440
with either Andrew or Melanie?
759
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,920
Either...January or February of '97.
760
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:05,920
OK.
761
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,880
The mobile phone number might be...
762
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,880
Still connected, do you think?
Yeah, still connected so...
763
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,720
In the first video interview
Keli Lane says...
764
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,320
.."I kept in contact with
Andrew Norris after September.
765
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,680
"I stayed in touch with Andrew Norris
on my mobile phone
766
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,040
"until even February of 1997."
767
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:28,360
Yeah.
768
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,720
OK. So, the relevancy is,
769
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,920
did we get those phone records
to see whether, um...
770
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,160
If I can have a look
at the brief contents
771
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:42,040
I might be able to tell you
if we had records.
772
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:01,760
No, I'm not sure whether we got
those checks. I'm not sure.
773
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,160
I just don't understand why...
774
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,760
Checks weren't done?
775
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,560
Mmm.
776
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:20,960
Yes.
777
00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:28,200
If there were records available
for a relevant time period
778
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:29,680
they should've been obtained,
779
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,240
and it's mystifying to me
why anyone would be advised
780
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,280
that they weren't relevant.
781
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,560
Mmm. Well, you're right.
782
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,400
Today an inquest resumed in Sydney
783
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,400
to try and find the answers
once and for all.
784
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,440
The key to the whole case -
the girl's mother.
785
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,960
REPORTER: The first child of Keli
Lane had a different father
786
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,240
and was secretly adopted out.
787
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,680
REPORTER: Keli Lane has given birth
four times
788
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,560
but only three of her children
can be accounted for.
789
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,280
The difficulty with the case was
790
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,360
it necessarily involved
very personal matters to Keli.
791
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:23,400
The salaciousness of Keli's sex life
and history of hidden pregnancies.
792
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:29,280
You know, she was in relationships,
out of relationships.
793
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,400
She was in very short-term
relationships.
794
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:34,680
Was she promiscuous?
795
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:42,920
Promiscuous in the fact that, yes,
she was happy to start a new thing,
796
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,400
but she didn't often just have
a one-night stand with someone.
797
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,160
It was usually more than that.
798
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:50,760
Who was Keli dating in the 1990s?
799
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,680
COMMENTATOR: Gillies for the corner!
800
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,840
Gillies with the pass!
801
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,280
Duncan Gillies.
802
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,840
He's been a star too.
He's had a great year.
803
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,880
He was a jock at Manly Rugby Club,
and people looked up to him,
804
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,840
because he was going to be
the "next best thing" kind of thing,
805
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,640
and he had this funny,
gorgeous girlfriend.
806
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,520
REPORTER:
It seems that no-one noticed
807
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,600
that Keli Lane was pregnant in 1996,
808
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,280
not even her lover.
809
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,040
Duncan Gillies was her boyfriend
at the time.
810
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,040
REPORTER: Even her boyfriend,
Duncan Gillies,
811
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,640
who was sleeping with her
at the time, was clueless.
812
00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:29,920
ABERNETHY: Duncan, her partner,
he didn't seem to suspect anything.
813
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,880
It was really strange.
Really strange.
814
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,240
She insisted on having sex
in a certain way with Gillies.
815
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,840
Her boyfriend described
that during several months
816
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:47,480
she had insisted on a particular
position during intimacy
817
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,280
of not facing him.
818
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,000
Spooning?
819
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,680
Yes. That was the term
that was used.
820
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,560
Mr Gillies explained to the court
821
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,360
that at the time of her pregnancies
822
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,640
he only saw her a few times a week.
823
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:04,560
He also told the court
she kept her back to him during sex
824
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,520
to conceal her stomach.
825
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,320
I think, um...
826
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,160
..it's almost unbelievable
827
00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:13,760
that someone couldn't know that
their girlfriend was pregnant.
828
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,360
(CAMERAS SNAP)
829
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:44,360
I asked her the question,
"What happened to Tegan?"
830
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,840
And she refused to answer
the question.
831
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,480
She exercised her right
against self-incrimination,
832
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,120
and we stood her down.
833
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,080
(CAMERAS SNAP)
834
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:02,400
The objective was that she not be
referred for charges.
835
00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:07,320
It would have been very ill-advised
for her to give evidence.
836
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,400
Whether she wanted to give evidence,
I don't know.
837
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,080
I assume you could ask Keli.
838
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:15,720
Did you want to say anything?
839
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,880
KELI: Of course you think,
"Oh, I should've said something,"
840
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,040
but at that stage I was completely
guided by my legal team at...
841
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:22,400
(BLEEP!)
842
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,000
They didn't even entertain me
speaking.
843
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:25,840
(BLEEP!)
844
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:31,680
REPORTER: Keli, do you want
the truth to come out?
845
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,160
REPORTER: ..might not be
the end of it?
846
00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:36,200
WOMAN: The mystery over the
disappearance of newborn Tegan Lane
847
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:37,560
is no closer to being solved.
848
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:41,880
MAN: One of Australia's greatest
mysteries remains just that.
849
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,440
Keli, isn't it just time
to tell the truth now?
850
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,040
Why won't you tell the truth, Keli?
851
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:51,480
Was that tiring, that inquest,
for you?
852
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,440
Absolutely. Yeah.
853
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,200
It was extremely draining.
854
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:00,560
I remember one night
during the inquest
855
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,480
because it was getting
so much attention,
856
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,520
and my daughter asked me
as I was putting her to bed,
857
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,200
saying good night to her
858
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,160
and she goes, "Mummy, have you found
baby Tegan yet?"
859
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,560
"No, Mummy hasn't found
baby Tegan yet."
860
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,960
Tegan Lane was never found,
she's never come forward,
861
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:21,840
Andrew Norris/Morris...
862
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,920
Never found, never come forward.
863
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,640
REPORTER:
Coroner John Abernethy found:
864
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,800
The coroner wants Homicide
called in.
865
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,560
I just thought it was crying out
866
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,920
for a really, really thorough
reinvestigation.
867
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,840
They really needed to do
a lot of gumshoe work.
868
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,080
They really needed to chase
this Morris or Norris.
869
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,760
If I asked you to describe
in a word or a phrase,
870
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,040
how thorough the search
for Andrew Norris
871
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:55,440
or the biological father was...?
872
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,240
Fractured and incomplete.
873
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:01,040
The first thing they should've done
874
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,600
was get fairly complete instructions
from Keli,
875
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,440
'cause she certainly described
Andrew to the police,
876
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,680
what Andrew Norris
would actually look like.
877
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:14,480
The general description of him
was around 5 foot 10,
878
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,160
well-built, tanned complexion,
879
00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:19,520
either mousey or blonde hair,
880
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,400
and Caucasian.
881
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,720
So this is how Keli described
Andrew Norris to police
882
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,800
back when she was first interviewed.
883
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:33,560
Police focus has always been
on the name, rather than the face.
884
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:38,800
So imagine if a COMFIT,
a generated image, was created,
885
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,600
of what he apparently looks like.
886
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:43,680
See if anyone recognises him.
887
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,800
In relation to the description
that Keli provided in the interview,
888
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,120
there wasn't a consideration
to undertake a COMFIT.
889
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,600
The police, they never got a sketch
or anything done.
890
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,280
And...
891
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,320
Certainly one of the first things
that we thought of
892
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:04,600
when we took on the case
893
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,960
is, "OK, where's the COMFIT?"
894
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,960
Why didn't they...you know,
the police put together a profile?
895
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,760
I would've thought it completely
logical to get those details,
896
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,440
get a photo fit,
and broadcast it to the world.
897
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:23,000
"Australia, have you seen this man?"
Job done.
898
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:28,840
MAN: My name is Terry Dunnett.
899
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,520
I was a police sergeant in charge of
head of the forensic imaging unit.
900
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:39,000
In my career I've done in excess
of 3,000 composite sketches
901
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:40,880
and composite images.
902
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,760
I was the first Australian
police officer
903
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,040
invited to the FBI Academy
in the States
904
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:57,880
What I'm going to do
is talk to her at length
905
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,280
when I initially meet her
906
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,960
to find out exactly
where we are going on this,
907
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,400
how clear she is in her memory.
908
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,520
It very much depends on her.
909
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:12,200
Given the amount of time that has
elapsed I've got little doubts.
910
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:16,080
We've got some images that
we're going to use as tools
911
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,280
to put together a composite,
912
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:19,480
which are facial features.
913
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:24,000
Is it possible for someone
to completely invent a face?
914
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:25,080
Yes.
915
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:29,480
They can sit there and they can
construct a face of Mr Nobody.
916
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,120
Usually there will be a few warning
signs if that's what they're doing.
917
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:36,200
What's your kind of bullshit
detector like for people?
918
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:37,880
Ah, pretty good, pretty good.
919
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:40,400
When I'm putting together a picture
920
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,480
I will get a fair idea
that they're lying to me.
921
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,200
And how quickly do you reckon
you'll know
922
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,680
if you are going to
get a good result?
923
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,040
Within half an hour.
924
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:52,680
Within half an hour
we will often terminate
925
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,840
and say we're not going
to get anything.
926
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:57,600
See how we go.
927
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,560
Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
928
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,280
Okey dokey do.
929
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,920
Alright. I'll talk to you later.
Alright, good luck.
930
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,120
ELISE: Hello. You're back!
I'm back.
931
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:18,920
Hi, Terry.
How'd you go?
932
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,560
OK. Come through
to the end room there.
933
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:23,800
The inner sanctum!
934
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,720
What do you think of her memory
compared to what you'd expect
935
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,680
of a memory this far forward
in time?
936
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:31,320
It was very good.
937
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,840
Was Keli Lane manufacturing a face?
938
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,200
No, she wasn't.
She certainly wasn't.
939
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,080
Did it pass your test
of believability?
940
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:40,480
Yes.
941
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:44,760
Whatever I was drawing
was clear in her mind.
942
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,720
She was consistent throughout
943
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,040
from the initial features
that she selected
944
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,720
to what we finished up with.
945
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,120
She didn't sway at all.
946
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,280
OK. I can't wait any longer.
947
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,080
OK. We'll have a look.
948
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:04,400
Here we are.
That's the original sketch,
949
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,000
That's the thumbnail.
950
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,640
Stocky build,
fairly square sort of face.
951
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:19,360
Mousey brown hair, spiky, short
squat nose with a little scar on it.
952
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:20,840
Steely blue eyes.
953
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,440
So you believe this
Andrew Norris man exists?
954
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,480
Uh...who ever she describes to me
exists.
955
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,440
Do you recognise this guy?
Who is he?
956
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:34,920
Does this person exist?
957
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,360
WOMAN: Tegan wasn't under the house.
She wasn't in the walls.
958
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,040
She wasn't in the backyard.
959
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:46,480
We were never going to find Tegan.
960
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:47,760
WOMAN: I just want your dad to know
961
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,920
that they can fucking dig to China,
I don't give a shit.
962
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:52,360
Could Tegan be alive?
963
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:53,800
Yes.
964
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,520
What would you ask Keli if you could?
965
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,240
Was Tegan mine?
966
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,040
REPORTER: Keli, what do you have
to say to charges?
967
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:02,760
Please don't touch me.
968
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,720
Was it a fair and proper
murder trial?
969
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,000
REPORTER: Keli, Keli...
970
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:13,760
NEWSREADER: Stunning allegations
have been made
971
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:15,440
at the Keli Lane murder trial.
972
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,920
Yes, I think you've raised
a question that requires an answer.
973
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,640
But there are so many questions
for the defence. You know?
974
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,320
What was their tactic at the trial?
975
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,200
ABERNETHY: Be very careful
before you go convicting people
976
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:28,840
where there's no body.
977
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,000
MAN: It had been such
a harrowing experience for me
978
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,360
that I no longer which to preside
over any criminal trial
979
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:36,360
as a judge.
980
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,480
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981
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:40,680
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