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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:06,880 Please don't touch me. 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,640 The Keli Lane case is like no other. 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:11,200 NEWSREADER: A murder mystery. 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:12,520 MAN: She's a murderer. 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,000 The golden girl who ended up a baby killer. 6 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,440 MAN: There's no way she'd kill a baby. 7 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:21,480 REPORTER: Baby Tegan was never seen again. 8 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:23,440 MAN: Nothing was found. Not anything. 9 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,280 It doesn't add up. 10 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:27,840 REPORTER: Lane told more than 95 lies... 11 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,840 WOMAN: She hadn't told a single solitary person in her life. 12 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:33,680 MAN: There is only really one person 13 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:35,800 who can tell what happened, 14 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:37,840 and that's Keli Lane. 15 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:43,680 (DIAL TONE BEEPS) 16 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,200 WOMAN: (ON PHONE) You are about to receive a phone call from an inmate 17 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,840 at the Silverwater Women's Correctional Centre. 18 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,800 Your conversation will be recorded and may be monitored. 19 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,160 If you do not wish to receive this call, please hang up now. 20 00:00:58,400 --> 00:00:59,480 Go ahead, please. 21 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,200 KELI LANE: Hello? Hello. 22 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:02,720 Hi, Caro. How are you? 23 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:07,560 Well, today, these are going to be hard conversations, but it's time. 24 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,440 We need to talk about the day you handed over Tegan. 25 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,000 Yeah, yeah. OK? 26 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,920 What was that like then, Keli, those final moments with Tegan, 27 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:17,640 just mother and daughter alone? 28 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:19,520 (TEARFULLY) It was awful... 29 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:26,160 ..because I'd been there before and I knew how much it hurt. 30 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:33,160 It was just so difficult to make this decision again and... 31 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,160 ..basically to write myself out of it. 32 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:40,240 And I was kicking myself too, "Why am I here again?" 33 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,560 (CRIES) "Why am I here again?" 34 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,000 Yep. 35 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,880 Were you thinking... were you thinking rationally? 36 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,520 I think...I knew the steps I had to take, 37 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,720 I just don't know that I wanted to do it so much, you know? 38 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:00,360 It was really hard. 39 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,200 All I kept just thinking was, "It's the best choice for everybody." 40 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,080 It's... You know? 41 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:10,040 I just knew there's no way that I could take her home 42 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,800 and...be the parent I wanted to be. 43 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,680 Did you want to take her home? 44 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:18,360 Of course. (WEEPS) 45 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,040 Of course. 46 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:22,720 (BEEP) (PHONE HANGS UP) 47 00:02:31,640 --> 00:02:34,360 She was clearly a mess. 48 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,800 Whether she thinks she was thinking rationally or not, she wasn't. 49 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:40,560 (PHONE RINGS) 50 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:43,440 Go ahead, please. 51 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,280 Hello? Hi. 52 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:46,440 Hi. 53 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,920 You said before, Keli, you didn't wanna give her away 54 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,440 but you couldn't take her home... Yeah. 55 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,440 And I've gotta ask you this, 56 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,280 is there any way that you could have done something to Tegan? 57 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,080 You could have harmed her... There is no way... 58 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,320 ..without you knowing or intending... There is no way. 59 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:03,960 I would have just left her there. 60 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,680 If Andrew didn't turn up... He told me he was going to turn up 61 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,400 and if he didn't turn up, I would have just left her there, 62 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,840 or I would have just gone down the exact same path as before. 63 00:03:12,920 --> 00:03:14,640 I would have asked for some help, 64 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:16,600 I would have asked to see an adoption agency 65 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,040 and I would have done the exact same thing I did 18 months earlier. 66 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,560 Do you trust your memories of that day? 67 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:25,360 I remember that day clearer than anything else. 68 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,760 I've replayed it and thought about it and... 69 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,040 I know a lot of people think I'm cold and callous, 70 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,560 but those children were very important to me and I loved them. 71 00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:36,680 I thought I was doing the right thing by them. 72 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,240 (BEEP) (PHONE HANGS UP) 73 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,120 (SIGHS) 74 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,400 When you referred this matter to police, John, what did you suspect? 75 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,680 I suspected foul play. 76 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,400 Something happened with Tegan... 77 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,160 ..which wasn't good. 78 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:21,160 So from the beginning, this wasn't just a missing persons case? 79 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:22,680 No. 80 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,960 What did you stress to them? 81 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,800 That they follow through. 82 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,240 And that they investigate it fully. 83 00:04:32,280 --> 00:04:33,960 And it didn't happen. 84 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,480 I was at work and Detective Matthew Kehoe rang me 85 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,920 and told me that he was assigned the case. 86 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:54,840 Coincidentally, Detective Kehoe knew Keli Lane's father quite well. 87 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,400 In fact, Keli Lane's father had been a police officer 88 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,120 at the Manly police station 89 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:01,760 several years earlier. 90 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,120 He should have been taken off the case. 91 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,840 It should have been sent to another police station 92 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,080 'cause there's a conflict of interest. 93 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:12,880 It was undesirable. 94 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,120 A couple of weeks later, he rings me up and says, 95 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,640 "Keli's gone overseas with a friend. 96 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,680 "I'll let you know what's happening when she comes back." 97 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,240 Did you hear from Detective Kehoe again? 98 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,280 No. No. That was it. 99 00:05:29,840 --> 00:05:31,560 That was it. 100 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:38,320 The initial investigation by Senior Constable Kehoe was... 101 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,280 ..perfunctory. 102 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,480 He went through some of the ropes. 103 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,200 He did some of the things that he should have done 104 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:50,800 but not all of them. 105 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,760 A parlously bad investigation by Manly detectives. 106 00:05:56,840 --> 00:05:58,840 It was really ordinary. 107 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,480 What was going on then, do you think, in those early days? 108 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,600 I don't know. I don't know and I'm not going to speculate. 109 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,760 I don't know why the police initial investigation was a rough one. 110 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:11,240 You'd have to talk to them. 111 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,000 They probably don't want to talk to you. 112 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:27,040 So Detective Matthew Kehoe won't speak to me on camera. 113 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,240 Absolutely not. And he did tell me one thing, 114 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,080 he really made it clear that his relationship 115 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:33,600 with Robert Lane, Keli's father, 116 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,680 did not impact on his work at all. 117 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,400 He was investigating this case without fear or favour, 118 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:39,880 and he wasn't biased. 119 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,640 He said there were other things going on 120 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:45,960 at Manly police station at the time. 121 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,080 He said it was the worst period of his life 122 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,240 and that he still hasn't recovered. 123 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:56,480 So if it's not the relationship with Keli's dad that was the issue, 124 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,800 then what was going on at Manly police station? 125 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:36,080 Hello. I understand you've got something for me? 126 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:37,280 (DISTORTED MALE VOICE) Two USBs. 127 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,800 Um, you'll need to recover the data on it, however. 128 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:41,440 The data has been deleted. 129 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,600 Are you worried, handing over this sort of stuff? 130 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,600 Absolutely. It's a matter of trust but it's also transparency. 131 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,280 If you're going to tell the story, tell it properly. 132 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,240 In its entirety. 133 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,120 Where's the software? 134 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,120 Far out, I can't remember where this... 135 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:04,880 Applications? 136 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,680 Data recovery. Found it. Here you go. 137 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,280 Do we need to do a deep scan? Yep, yep. 138 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,000 OK, what type of files do we want to recover? 139 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,280 All file types. 140 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:23,200 Photos, audio, video, emails, documents, others. 141 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:25,960 OK. 142 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:27,800 Oh, off it goes. 143 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,600 We'll see. 144 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,240 WORTHINGTON: On the USB, 145 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,160 there's a series of police statements 146 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:55,600 and internal police documents 147 00:08:55,680 --> 00:08:58,320 including integrity commission files. 148 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,040 At the time of the Keli Lane investigation, 149 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,240 there was this massive corruption probe going on 150 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,240 at Manly police office. 151 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,360 Now, it says Matthew Kehoe isn't suspected of being corrupt 152 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,160 but he's just surrounded by chaos. 153 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,120 Six officers have been charged and found guilty 154 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,440 of offences including drug trafficking, bribery and theft 155 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,120 at the Manly and Northern Beaches commands. 156 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,360 And now, this is another statement from Detective Matthew Kehoe. 157 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,520 He says the entire Manly Detectives Office 158 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,520 gets shut down as part of the probe. 159 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:36,280 "I remember returning to the office 160 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,320 "to find a pile of computers had been disconnected 161 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,240 "together with briefs of evidence and case files 162 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,560 "all in a massive pile in the middle of the room." 163 00:09:47,680 --> 00:09:50,480 And then...comes this. 164 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:56,080 "I am aware that several documents and videotapes were removed 165 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,160 "from the case files and briefs 166 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:03,040 "but am unable to say if the Keli Lane brief was tampered with." 167 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,800 How did your parents respond? 168 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,480 I'm told your dad was a bit upset. 169 00:10:41,560 --> 00:10:43,640 KELI: (ON PHONE) Oh, 'upset' is a bit of a strong word, 170 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:45,120 but I think he was shocked 171 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,480 because in his eyes, I was still very young. 172 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:50,520 But, of course, imagine what it felt like telling him, 173 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,200 "We're pregnant, we're having a child", 174 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:53,840 knowing that I already had three. 175 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:58,200 That was such a massive burden. I felt terrible, tricking them. 176 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:06,640 I'm wondering what your attitude was to, say, pregnancy before marriage? 177 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,680 Well, I would have been shocked, not shocked that she was pregnant, 178 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:12,840 but shocked that it had happened to her. 179 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,440 And the first thing I would have said to her is, 180 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:21,080 "Didn't you use...er, safe sex as far as pregnancy?" 181 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,000 Contraception's the word you're looking for. 182 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:24,360 Or contraception, yeah. 183 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:28,440 But it's done and we'll have to get on with it, you know? 184 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,160 That's a father's attitude. 185 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:35,480 But I would have come round, because we were pretty close. 186 00:11:44,680 --> 00:11:46,360 Oh, it's here. 187 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,760 We're going to see Dr James Ferry. 188 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:55,120 He was Keli Lane's obstetrician for the daughter that she's kept. 189 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:57,520 Hello. Hello. 190 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,040 Are you Caro? I am. You're Dr Ferry. 191 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:00,880 Yeah, hello. How are you? Hey, nice to meet you. 192 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:02,680 Have a seat, Caro. 193 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,600 Do you remember Keli? 194 00:12:06,680 --> 00:12:08,640 I do have a memory of this girl. 195 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:09,880 I remember her as being blonde 196 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:15,120 and just a typical chirpy, happy Northern Beaches mum. 197 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,800 How many times did she come to see me? 198 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:20,080 10. 199 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:24,000 That is a very compliant, very good patient. 200 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,400 She came regular as clockwork. 201 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,200 It's very different to her previous history 202 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,320 with her pregnancies, Dr Ferry. 203 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,480 This is a printout, 204 00:12:34,560 --> 00:12:40,800 a spreadsheet, essentially, of all of her Medicare doctor's appointments. 205 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,160 Have a look at what she did when she was pregnant 206 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,080 for these three times beforehand, OK? 207 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:46,080 OK, OK. 208 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,920 This first child, right, she falls pregnant in 1994. 209 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,160 Yeah. She doesn't see a doctor at all... 210 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:57,440 ..until after she's given birth, and it's now March, 1995. 211 00:12:58,680 --> 00:13:01,040 That's totally unusual. 212 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,360 She does it again with Tegan. 213 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,480 The whole pregnancy, she hasn't seen a doctor. 214 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:08,640 She does it again. 215 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,600 In 1999, she falls pregnant, she doesn't see a doctor. 216 00:13:12,680 --> 00:13:16,800 No medical appoint... nothing during these pregnancies. 217 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,120 I'm a bit blown away by that. Um... 218 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:27,560 ..the one word that comes to mind is denial. 219 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,840 Is this the same person? No. 220 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,920 No, I don't think so. 221 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,600 I don't think so. It can't be. 222 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:37,840 Not emotionally, not psychologically. 223 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,600 That's a different species from the one I saw. 224 00:13:41,680 --> 00:13:43,520 Very different. 225 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,920 This is an electronically recorded interview 226 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:12,280 between Detective Senior Constable Mathew James Kehoe and Keli Lane. 227 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,920 Miss Lane, will you please state your full name 228 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,400 and spell your surname? 229 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,400 Keli Lane, L-A-N-E. 230 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:22,040 Why was she there? Why was she being questioned by police? 231 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:26,040 She's being questioned because the child's whereabouts 232 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,000 was reported to the police 233 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,000 as, I think, a missing child, a missing person, 234 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,200 and she was there as the mother to clear that up. 235 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,240 In your words, can you just explain to us 236 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,320 when the child was born and what happened subsequent to that? 237 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:46,720 After a brief affair with, ah, the father of the child, I gave birth. 238 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:52,600 We made an arrangement that he would come and take custody of Tegan 239 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,640 um, as I was unable to take care of her myself, 240 00:14:55,720 --> 00:15:02,280 and, um, he dropped me home, um, and then took Tegan with him 241 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:03,760 into his care. 242 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:08,880 OK, and you told me that the person that you... 243 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:14,200 Or is the natural father of the child is Andrew Morris. 244 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,920 Is that correct? That's correct. 245 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:21,840 To your knowledge, is there any reason why Andrew wanted to adopt 246 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,080 or care for Tegan? 247 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,200 Well, he's the natural father 248 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:31,600 and I, um, was, um...unable to, 249 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,640 to take custody of her myself. 250 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:35,760 I think as you've explained it, 251 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,720 you don't have an address for... for Andrew. 252 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:40,840 Is that right? No. I don't know where he is. 253 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,720 Why was Keli Lane unrepresented? 254 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,120 WOMAN: I don't know whether she was advised to bring a lawyer, 255 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,400 but initially it was, 256 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,400 "We will need to talk to you about this child you gave birth to. 257 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,520 "We just want to know what happened." 258 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,440 I noticed you were unrepresented in the interview. 259 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:58,960 KELI: Yeah. I wondered why? 260 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,880 Um, I didn't understand the seriousness of it. 261 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,160 Um, when he called me, it sounded just very casual. 262 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,880 He made it out to be like a custody issue. 263 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,440 Before we finish, is there any questions you wanted to ask of me? 264 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,000 No. No? 265 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:16,880 I think she was hoping to turn up 266 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:21,320 and convince police that Tegan was still alive. 267 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,040 The interview is suspended. 268 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,200 KELI: (ON PHONE) I was very, very happy to have her. 269 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,680 She was mine and I really prided myself 270 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:46,720 on putting in as much as I could to make her a happy little baby. 271 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:49,960 Best time of my life. Loved it. 272 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,560 And once she arrived that's when I really realised, 273 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:59,960 wow, you should have just been honest from the start. 274 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,280 When a little baby arrives, no-one really cares, in the end. 275 00:17:04,360 --> 00:17:06,320 I think everybody is happy. 276 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,000 So it was not until it got to Detective Gaut 277 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,080 that a really thorough investigation commenced. 278 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,720 Yes, it's Richard Gaut from Manly detectives, in Sydney. 279 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,320 And he was an outsider. He came in to Manly? 280 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,560 He was an outsider, yes. 281 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,840 So he contacts Keli Lane 282 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:41,520 and she was formally interviewed by Detective Gaut. 283 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,520 Now, there was such a long period of time 284 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,440 between her questioning by Detective Kehoe 285 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:53,360 and her questioning by Detective Gaut, 286 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,400 that I think she had forgotten 287 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,760 exactly what she told Detective Kehoe. 288 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:00,880 In a previous interview 289 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:02,560 with Detective Kehoe... Mm-hm. 290 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,120 ..you'd mentioned the... 291 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:08,400 You had said the father of the child was an Andrew Morris, with an 'M'. 292 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:09,480 Do you agree with that? 293 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,400 That I told Detective Kehoe it was Morris? 294 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,200 Morris. That's right. Sorry, I'm confused. 295 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:14,480 OK. Sorry. 296 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:18,360 And she says, "No, no, no, it's Norris. With an 'N'." 297 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:22,760 Well, firstly, do you, do you agree that you... 298 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,720 I made a mistake, yes, I told Detective Kehoe one name 299 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,040 and I told you a different name. 300 00:18:28,120 --> 00:18:29,600 Alright. Yeah. Sorry. 301 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,560 So she realised that she'd got it wrong. 302 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,440 Do you know the father of the child's name? 303 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:35,800 Yes, I do. What is it? 304 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:37,160 Andrew Norris. Norris? 305 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,520 Yes. OK. So... Alright. 306 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,600 So, at this stage, you believe it to be Andrew Norris? 307 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:42,880 Yes. OK. 308 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:44,880 BECROFT: It was just the way she said it 309 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:49,320 and it's like, "No, no, no, it's not Morris, it's Norris." 310 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,720 Now, it's your opportunity now, if you've been telling us lies, 311 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,160 for whatever reason, 312 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,600 if you know where the child is or what happened to the child, 313 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,600 it's your opportunity to tell us now. 314 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,520 Do you want to tell me anything? 315 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,240 No. 316 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:18,680 Did you kill the child? 317 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,240 No, I did not! I did not do anything like that! 318 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,240 Did someone else? 319 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,040 No! No! 320 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:35,000 Alright, Keli. Like I said, 321 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,280 I'm going to have to make a lot of inquiries now, 322 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:38,720 I'm going to have to go... Please, don't! 323 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:40,400 This is going to go through the Coroners Court, 324 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,000 there'll be a Coroners Court hearing in relation to it, right? 325 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:50,280 That's why I say to you now, 326 00:20:50,360 --> 00:20:51,880 if there's something you're not telling us, 327 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:53,520 now is the time to tell us. 328 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,440 (SIGHS) 329 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,000 I don't understand how... Can you...can we stop the tape? 330 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,880 Can I speak without...the tape on? 331 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,400 I'd rather you do it on the tape. OK. 332 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,640 I don't understand how you're gonna... 333 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,400 ..go and speak with my parents, or people like that 334 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,240 who have no idea what you're going to be talking about. 335 00:21:30,120 --> 00:21:32,440 This is between me and Andrew. 336 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,800 But he said it would be a great idea. 337 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,520 He told me not to connect him. 338 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,520 Have you watched those police interview videos? 339 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:50,520 No. It'd only be distressing to see her under the cosh. 340 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,280 No doubt the police were in a terrific position, 341 00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:58,160 because if I found out, I would've said to her, "Don't say anything. 342 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,680 "Don't say anything more. Go to a solicitor." 343 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,480 Do you understand, the information you've given me, alright.. 344 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,000 I'm very open-minded and very reasonable, 345 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,240 but the information you've given me, right, 346 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,840 makes me highly suspicious that something has happened to the child. 347 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,880 Nothing happened to her. Nothing has happened to her. 348 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,320 He said he would contact me if there was an emergency, 349 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,280 I have not heard cooee from them, not one word. 350 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,720 Detective Gaut had made it very clear to Keli Lane 351 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,200 that he didn't believe her story 352 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,600 of handing over the child to the natural father 353 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,320 and having changed his name from Andrew Morris to Andrew Norris. 354 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,560 So let's go back to the beginning. 355 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:38,600 KELI: (ON PHONE) OK yep. 356 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,520 Which pub did you meet Andrew Norris? At the Town Hall Hotel. 357 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,640 We drank, we played some pool, 358 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,560 just like a normal first meeting, you know, just chatting away 359 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,880 and, you know, flirting. 360 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,280 Did he have any friends there? Was he in a group? 361 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:04,120 Yeah, he often had, like, two or three people around him. 362 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,200 And, I mean, I think there were a lot of nicknames. 363 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,320 There was one name that was tossing around, 'Dipper'. 364 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,160 Dipper? Like, D-I-P-P... D-I-P-P-E-R. 365 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:13,400 OK. Dipper. Yeah, yeah. 366 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,760 But it was obviously a nickname, but, yeah. 367 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:16,800 OK, good. 368 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,800 So when you decided to spend more time with Andrew that night, 369 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,280 where did Andrew tell you that he was taking you? 370 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:25,280 To his place. OK. 371 00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:30,360 He just put it on me, really. 372 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,440 He just sort of said, "Do you wanna come back to mine?" 373 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,160 I remember we went out onto the street 374 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,680 and there was sort of a few people hanging around. 375 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,280 I think there was a bottle shop just outside the door. 376 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,160 I just remember walking along past the two pubs that are down there. 377 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:52,360 And then was literally less than two minutes then into his place. 378 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,120 (BEEP) (PHONE HANGS UP) 379 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,200 TEDESCHI: Keli Lane claimed to have had an affair with this man 380 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,600 for several months at a unit in Balmain. 381 00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:12,520 Detective Gaut kept pressing her, "Well, show us which unit." 382 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,600 Eventually, she went around with the police 383 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,960 and pointed out a block of home units 384 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,480 and pointed out one particular unit in this block. 385 00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:04,560 Are you absolutely 100% that that's the right apartment block? 386 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:05,880 KELI: (ON PHONE) Yeah, I am. 387 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,920 And actually, over time, I'm more sure now than ever. 388 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,240 ABERNETHY: The police went back to and spoke to tenants and owners. 389 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,480 They couldn't find a Norris or a Morris 390 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,720 that had anything to do with that little block of flats in Balmain. 391 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,720 We're able to prove that nobody of that name 392 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,520 had lived in that unit or in that building at the time... 393 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,240 During the right period when the affair... 394 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,960 At the time when the affair was occurring, yes. 395 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,480 When was the first time you went with Andrew Norris 396 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:45,680 to Wisbeach Street? 397 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,120 Can you remember the month? 398 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,200 KELI: (ON PHONE) It would have been either the tail end of September, 399 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:52,440 early October. 400 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,520 OK. Of 1995? 401 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,920 Of 1995, yep. 402 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:02,200 We have a rental list that begins from late December... 403 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:03,960 Yeah, OK. 404 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:16,800 These are the six units that are of interest to us. 405 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,960 Unit 2, unit 3. 406 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,320 Unit 10, unit 11. 407 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,360 19... 408 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,920 ..and unit 20. 409 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,040 Now, at this point in time, 410 00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:35,760 we're stuck because of the rental records, 411 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,760 they don't go back far enough. 412 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,240 Have you got a few minutes? Yes. 413 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,120 So I'm making contact with everyone I can find 414 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,280 that used to live at 24 Wisbeach Street. 415 00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:47,400 Yeah. 416 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,880 Have police ever tried to get in touch with you? 417 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,160 MAN: (ON PHONE) No. 418 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:52,720 So what I'm trying to figure out 419 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,480 is who is living in all the two-bedroom ones. 420 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,440 WOMAN: (ON PHONE) Yeah, upstairs there a Marilyn, 421 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,200 can't even think of her surname. 422 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,120 Ah, OK, understood. 423 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,080 I'm so sorry. Thank you for your help. 424 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,200 Passed away. 425 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:06,840 A long time ago. 426 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,240 RECORDED MESSAGE: Please check the number and try again. 427 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,640 WOMAN: (OH PHONE) Well, I'm pleased to be able to inform you 428 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,200 we were living there then. 429 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,200 We can rule out now unit 19, the brother and sister. 430 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:27,240 Unit 3 where a man called Bill lived, definitely wasn't him. 431 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,680 Two brothers in Unit 11, it's not them. 432 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,680 Unit 20, it was a couple of girls. 433 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:39,720 Unit 10, this bloke moved in at end of December 1995. 434 00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:44,800 Unit 10, that's the one that Keli Lane pointed out. 435 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,800 Who was there before him? It's a mystery. 436 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:59,560 How thorough was that canvassing was of Wisbeach Street in Balmain? 437 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,920 I believe it was thorough and I think it was done twice. 438 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,160 I thought that Gaut did it, 439 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,560 and then I think the Homicide people went back there. 440 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,440 WOMAN: We investigate cases of miscarriages of justice. 441 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,520 We believe that Keli Lane is one of those cases. 442 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,120 The police got a history of the previous tenants, 443 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,080 but there's an amazing assumption that any tenancy or lease agreement 444 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,440 must have been in the name of Andrew Norris. 445 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,600 Like, I know any number of people who are subletting. 446 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,480 And then there was a witness who remembered seeing mail 447 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,720 addressed to an Andrew Norris. 448 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,520 So the police only had a name to go on in the rental records, 449 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,280 they didn't have a photo of him, obviously, 450 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:57,360 but they had a photo of...Keli Lane 451 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:02,200 and the police say that they showed this photo 452 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,640 to all of the tenants at Wisbeach Street and no-one recognised her, 453 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,920 but did they get to every single person? 454 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,720 Because if someone did see her at this building 455 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,800 that would change everything. 456 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,320 There is a Darryl Henson. 457 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,360 Darryl has never been found. 458 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,200 OK, so I think I've just found Darryl Henson on Facebook. 459 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,360 WORTHINGTON: What does he look like now? 460 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,080 Oh, yeah, that's him for sure. 461 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:42,880 "Hi, Darryl. 462 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,080 "Did you used to live in Balmain, Sydney?" 463 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,680 Sent. 464 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,160 Here he is, here he is, here he is! 465 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,280 "Yep, sure did." 466 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,120 DARRYL: (ON COMPUTER) Hello. Hi! 467 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,840 See that face? 468 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,560 Yeah. I do remember seeing her. 469 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,240 I just... I didn't know her name, though. 470 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:08,920 So this person here? 471 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,240 Yeah, that's the one I remember seeing, the sandy-haired girl. 472 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,840 You remember seeing this person in the flat, in the building? 473 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,040 Yeah, I remember that blonde girl, yeah. 474 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,320 Are you sure... 475 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,560 ..you saw this girl or is it something you've seen now 476 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,160 and you think, "Oh, yeah, maybe" having a bit of a guess? 477 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,000 No, no, I definitely saw her. That's the person I remember. 478 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,200 She looked just like that too. 479 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,360 Darryl, thank you so much for speaking with me. 480 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:37,840 Bye. Bye. 481 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,920 What the what? 482 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,840 This can NOT be possible. 483 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,400 I'm sitting in a hotel room in Auckland, New Zealand, 484 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,240 waiting for Darryl Henson to come and meet me. 485 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,080 The police just said that their searches 486 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,160 of all the tenants at Wisbeach Street were exhaustive, 487 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,240 that basically they managed to get in touch with everyone. 488 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,640 Well, they didn't get in touch with me. 489 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,280 I'd be under the building, in the car park 490 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,560 and this lady would exit through that area 491 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,800 when I was working on my car. 492 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,520 I saw her so many times, actually, that I thought she lived there. 493 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:35,880 What time would it have been? 494 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,640 Oh, it was quite late. 495 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,920 Sometimes 1:00 at night. 496 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,840 'Cause I did used to work on my car 497 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,480 until the early hours of the morning. 498 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,920 She probably couldn't see me in the dark. 499 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,960 (CHUCKLES) But I remember her. 500 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,480 I used to think she was brave, leaving late at night. 501 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,840 You know, most people would be a bit frightened but she wasn't. 502 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,320 You see, it's incredible that you're saying you remember her. 503 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:04,320 Yeah. 504 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,920 Because police couldn't find anyone... 505 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,880 Oh. ..who remembered her there. 506 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,120 Well, there was no-one else down in the car park 507 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,720 working on the car, was there? 508 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,400 I mean, are you so sure as to be confident... 509 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,360 Would you sit, say, in a court of law and say, "I saw this girl?" 510 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,520 Oh, yeah, definitely. Yeah. 511 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,960 Yeah, I'm confident 100% that I saw her. 512 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,600 I wish I could help more, that I knew who the other guy is, but no. 513 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,520 I just remember seeing her. 514 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,040 The prosecution and the police said that she was lying. 515 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,400 Oh. That no-one ever saw her there. 516 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:40,920 That she'd made it up. 517 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,640 Oh, no. She did go there, yeah. 518 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,520 So she wasn't lying about that. 519 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,720 Are you absolutely sure? 520 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,720 Yeah. I'm absolutely sure. That's her. 521 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,600 I remember her leaving. Yeah. 522 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,840 What if I told you that there is a tenant that the police never reached 523 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,680 that remembers seeing Keli Lane at Wisbeach Street? 524 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,120 That would be very...significant. 525 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:20,160 So if Keli Lane had been seen in the vicinity of Wisbeach Street, 526 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,920 in or without the company of Andrew Norris, 527 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,800 that immediately suggest that her story has an element to truth in it. 528 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,760 That would be very compelling evidence. 529 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,840 (PHONE RINGS) 530 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,000 MAN: Hello. KELI: Hello. 531 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,040 I've organised my hen's day invitations. 532 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,240 Oh, OK. 533 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,600 Can you, um, print off our wedding guest list for me, please? 534 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:55,880 Yep. 535 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,000 WOMAN: I was only thinking today it's your wedding next month. 536 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,400 I know! 537 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:08,760 She hadn't told a single solitary person in her life 538 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,240 about any of these children. 539 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,240 Not her parents, not her boyfriend, not any of her friends, 540 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:19,400 not a single person in her life knew that she'd had these three children. 541 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,040 (PHONE RINGS) 542 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,120 Hello? 543 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,720 MAN: Hello, Keli. 544 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:27,200 Hello? 545 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,000 Don't know what's wrong with our phone, 546 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,800 you can't hear anything and then... Hello, Keli. 547 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,600 (CALL DISCONNECTS) Hello? 548 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,360 (PHONE RINGS) 549 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,720 (RECORDED MESSAGE) Hi, this is Keli. Just leave a message, thanks. 550 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,440 Yeah, Keli, could you ring Richard Gaut please? Thanks. 551 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:53,360 Hi, it's Kel. 552 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,320 Um, tomorrow, Thursday, 553 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,560 I was wondering if you could play with (BLEEP) in the morning 554 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,160 from about 9:00-ish till about lunch time. 555 00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:03,720 I've got and do a dress fitting. 556 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,280 MAN: Do you understand the way we're looking at this inquiry? 557 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,960 We've got a child who's missing, who we're presuming is not alive now. 558 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,280 The matter is obviously going to go before the coroner at this stage 559 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:21,560 because we have a missing child. 560 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,880 Well, it's just going to become a massive issue, isn't it? 561 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,120 Everybody's going to know, 562 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,920 and my mum and dad and (BLEEP) 563 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,200 they're not going to let me, 564 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,240 they're not going want to be near me, are they? 565 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,040 After everything they hear, I guess everything that you've looked into, 566 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,600 that's just going to become public fodder, 567 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,680 and who's going to let me stay with my daughter? 568 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,280 No-one's gonna stop you from staying with your daughter. 569 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:54,360 What really stood out for me is how concerned and stressed she was 570 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,880 about people finding out about this. 571 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,880 Do you think a counsellor would help? 572 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,280 We could put you in contact with someone 573 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,480 if you wanted to speak anonymously. 574 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,280 (PHONE RINGS) 575 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:11,520 Hello? 576 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,440 Keli, Denise Benfield from Queenscliff Health Centre. 577 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:15,520 Yep. 578 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,360 Richard Gaut's asked me to give you a call, 579 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,840 wanting to know if we could offer you a service. 580 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,000 Right, yeah. 581 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,280 I'm in the adult mental health section. 582 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:25,800 Yes. (DOORBELL RINGS) 583 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,280 Hi, Denise. Hi, Caro. 584 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,120 Thanks for having me. Welcome. 585 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,560 I'm so glad I found you. 586 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,560 Have you ever spoken publicly about Keli Lane or anything... 587 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,720 No, no, no. 588 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:44,880 I was working as a clinical nurse specialist in psychiatry. 589 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,320 A message came through from the crisis team at Manly Hospital. 590 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,560 The police were wanting an assessment for Keli Lane 591 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,880 and they had refused to do it. 592 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,880 They recommended that we didn't see her. 593 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,360 There was no mental health issues at the time. 594 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:13,240 And the impression was the police wanted her to be seen, 595 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,320 spill her guts, 596 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,840 and then they would subpoena the file. 597 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,200 What did you decide to do? 598 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:25,080 Well, my impression was that this was a person, a woman, 599 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,520 who was in need of support, 600 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,840 and that's the reason I chose to see her. 601 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,800 I don't believe she would have harmed a child. 602 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,720 I don't believe that was in her nature. 603 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:51,000 She was a young woman who came from a very strict upbringing 604 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,480 who made some poor decisions in her life. 605 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,320 She spoke about her father 606 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,520 and not wanting to bring shame to the family. 607 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:08,840 The fear of telling her parents was enormous. 608 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,240 My belief was 609 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,240 that she needed to tell her parents 610 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,280 before the police did. 611 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,800 WOMAN: It was one of those days that, sort of... 612 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,520 ROBERT LANE: You don't want to remember. 613 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,000 ..don't want to remember. 614 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,240 What did she say? 615 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,160 She said, "Oh, Mom, something's happened..." Something like that. 616 00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:43,720 "..a long time ago, and I have to tell you now because..." 617 00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:47,320 I think that's when she said, 618 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,080 "The police are going to come and see you." 619 00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:56,800 What do you remember her telling you? 620 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,000 That she'd had a baby. 621 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,440 That, um... 622 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,480 Oh. How did she put it? 623 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,080 Something like, "They think I've done something to it. 624 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,160 "But I haven't." 625 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,160 All of this has been a huge shock to me because... 626 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,400 ..I always thought that I was on top of things in the family, 627 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:27,840 but obviously I wasn't. 628 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,360 And I do sincerely think that a lot of it was because 629 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,440 she was trying to protect her father and myself... 630 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,120 ..because if you're known in the community, 631 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:43,320 you've got a certain... 632 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,200 ..name, I guess, and, um... 633 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:48,720 ..she would have been aware of that 634 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,240 from all of the things we were involved in. 635 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,720 And I guess that was her major thought is that, you know, 636 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,040 "I can't hurt Mum and Dad." 637 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,160 You know when Keli first told you the story about, 638 00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:02,600 "I gave baby Tegan to Andrew Norris"... 639 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:03,800 Mmm. 640 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,640 ..did you believe it straightaway? 641 00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:06,760 Yeah, I did. 642 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,000 Because I wouldn't think she'd do anything else. 643 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,880 If she hadn't given it up for adoption 644 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,160 she certainly wouldn't have do anything else. 645 00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:16,680 (PHONE RINGS) 646 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,040 Hello. KELI: Hi, Mum, it's me. 647 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:19,760 Hi. Hi. How are you? 648 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,920 You know, I mean, you told me that this young guy's 649 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,320 taken the baby to raise it? 650 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:24,440 Yeah. 651 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,920 Which is really unusual, you must admit yourself. 652 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:27,920 Yeah. 653 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,520 So was this child still alive up until three years ago? 654 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:33,240 Up until...? 655 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,440 Well, you said they first contacted you three years ago. 656 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,200 Yeah, I'm under the assumption she still is now. 657 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,240 And that he's just disappeared with the child? 658 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:43,760 Yeah. 659 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,080 Just so unlike a young bloke to want to raise a child. 660 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:48,320 It's just... 661 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,440 That's the thing I just can't sort of grip. 662 00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:54,760 But obviously that's what you agreed. 663 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,680 Isn't it? 664 00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,960 Well, I didn't really have too many options. 665 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,440 She would not kill a child, so... 666 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,960 You know, that's my belief, and I feel very firmly about that. 667 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,320 (WEDDING BELLS CHIME) 668 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,320 WOMAN: I can remember going to her wedding. 669 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,840 Any signs there that she was... Absolutely not. 670 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,760 I just don't remember there being any angst at that wedding. 671 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,120 It was a beautiful wedding. 672 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,000 There was no gossip going on. 673 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,720 MAN: The worst enemy for coronial inquests 674 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,320 in relation to missing persons is time. 675 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,240 I don't think I've ever seen anything like it. 676 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,960 When I read the brief of evidence I couldn't put it down. 677 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,560 It was like reading an Agatha Christie book. 678 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:12,680 I was hopeful. 679 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,480 I still had this hope in my mind 680 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,440 that the child was alive and we'll find her. 681 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,400 "I'll give you immunity. 682 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,160 "Come clean and tell us where the child is." 683 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,880 If she had come forward to the police and told them, 684 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,080 "Look, I was depressed at the time, 685 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,440 "I might've been suffering some postnatal depression, or... 686 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,640 "Couldn't keep this child for whatever reason. 687 00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:54,040 "I did the wrong thing and I've disposed of the child." 688 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,000 And then maybe helped police find the body. 689 00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,600 I had the power to grant her a certificate of immunity 690 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,840 in relation to any criminal offence, 691 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,040 except the criminal offence of murder. 692 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,760 (OVER RECORDING) I've convened this court today on the basis 693 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,720 that the proceedings are heard in camera, and this is a closed court. 694 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,800 I suppose the message I want to get through to Miss Lane 695 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,720 is that if there is any information that she can get to the police 696 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,760 that might find Tegan alive or dead, 697 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,720 now is the time to do it, 698 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,480 because after today the gloves will come off, 699 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:34,760 and I will use the media to try and get information in the community. 700 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,800 The media will turn this into a nightmare. 701 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,480 It will be a media event. 702 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,960 It was her get-out-of-jail free card here that was presenting itself? 703 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:49,120 Yeah, it was a get-out-of-jail card if she hadn't done anything wrong. 704 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:59,560 She came back to court in October knowing 705 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:04,080 that her world as she knew it was about to be blown apart. 706 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,600 "Tell us where Tegan is. Tell us." 707 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:10,920 What did she do? 708 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,600 She didn't come forward with anything. 709 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,880 So you never entertained taking that deal? 710 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,480 KELI: (OVER PHONE) No. No. 711 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:22,800 Wow. 712 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,040 Even when it meant you wouldn't have spent a day in jail? 713 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,640 No way. No. 714 00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:32,160 Even if I sold her or gave her to unknown parties, 715 00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:35,120 why would I say that if it's not correct? 716 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,920 I am not going to admit to something I didn't do. 717 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,400 I'm not going to put my hand up and say I hurt my own child 718 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:41,720 when I didn't. 719 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:42,960 No. 720 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,000 Excuse me, please. REPORTER: Mrs Lane? 721 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:53,000 Excuse me, please. 722 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,480 REPORTER: Keli, do you know where Tegan is? 723 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,880 NEWSREADER: A coroner has ordered an inquiry 724 00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,400 into the suspected death of a baby girl. 725 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,840 We're hoping that with the assistance of the media 726 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,840 that we can find the baby alive and well and a healthy child today. 727 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,040 REPORTER: Keli Lane left the Coroners Court 728 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:11,960 but she'll be back for a full inquiry 729 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,040 into the suspected death of Tegan. 730 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,880 ABERNETHY: It was a case I wanted to get to the bottom of. 731 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,880 There were lots and lots of questions begging to be answered. 732 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,640 Tell us more about Norris or Morris. What did he look like? 733 00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:39,960 How old was he? You know, what was he like? 734 00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,760 MAN: How many Andrew Norrises in NSW have you ruled out in trying 735 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,120 to find the father of this baby? 736 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,640 There's a lot of Andrew Norrises who we've looked into but... 737 00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:51,080 It's a difficult task... 738 00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,960 What had the police done and how far had they gone 739 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,200 in terms of this search 740 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,680 to try and find the biological father, Andrew Morris/Norris? 741 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,040 MAN: My position at the inquest on Keli's behalf 742 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,000 was that they hadn't done enough. 743 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,160 On reading the brief 744 00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:10,960 there were great big gaping holes in the investigation. 745 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,320 BECROFT: The investigation wasn't complete. 746 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:20,720 So we came into it and we took it to another level. 747 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,320 We needed to make inquiries with the telecommunications company 748 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,560 in relation to phone records for Keli, 749 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,400 whether she had a mobile phone. 750 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,680 And that did reveal she had a mobile phone in '96 751 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,360 but not until December. 752 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,960 So there was no phones registered in her name 753 00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,080 until December of '96, 754 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,440 so three months after Tegan was born. 755 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,440 What did that make those records? 756 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:52,960 Well, they weren't relevant. 757 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,560 And when was the last occasion that you spoke 758 00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,440 with either Andrew or Melanie? 759 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,920 Either...January or February of '97. 760 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:05,920 OK. 761 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,880 The mobile phone number might be... 762 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,880 Still connected, do you think? Yeah, still connected so... 763 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,720 In the first video interview Keli Lane says... 764 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,320 .."I kept in contact with Andrew Norris after September. 765 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,680 "I stayed in touch with Andrew Norris on my mobile phone 766 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,040 "until even February of 1997." 767 00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:28,360 Yeah. 768 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,720 OK. So, the relevancy is, 769 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,920 did we get those phone records to see whether, um... 770 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,160 If I can have a look at the brief contents 771 00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:42,040 I might be able to tell you if we had records. 772 00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:01,760 No, I'm not sure whether we got those checks. I'm not sure. 773 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,160 I just don't understand why... 774 00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,760 Checks weren't done? 775 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,560 Mmm. 776 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:20,960 Yes. 777 00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:28,200 If there were records available for a relevant time period 778 00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:29,680 they should've been obtained, 779 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,240 and it's mystifying to me why anyone would be advised 780 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,280 that they weren't relevant. 781 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,560 Mmm. Well, you're right. 782 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,400 Today an inquest resumed in Sydney 783 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,400 to try and find the answers once and for all. 784 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,440 The key to the whole case - the girl's mother. 785 00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,960 REPORTER: The first child of Keli Lane had a different father 786 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,240 and was secretly adopted out. 787 00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,680 REPORTER: Keli Lane has given birth four times 788 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,560 but only three of her children can be accounted for. 789 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,280 The difficulty with the case was 790 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,360 it necessarily involved very personal matters to Keli. 791 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:23,400 The salaciousness of Keli's sex life and history of hidden pregnancies. 792 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:29,280 You know, she was in relationships, out of relationships. 793 00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,400 She was in very short-term relationships. 794 00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:34,680 Was she promiscuous? 795 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:42,920 Promiscuous in the fact that, yes, she was happy to start a new thing, 796 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,400 but she didn't often just have a one-night stand with someone. 797 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,160 It was usually more than that. 798 00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:50,760 Who was Keli dating in the 1990s? 799 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,680 COMMENTATOR: Gillies for the corner! 800 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,840 Gillies with the pass! 801 00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,280 Duncan Gillies. 802 00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,840 He's been a star too. He's had a great year. 803 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,880 He was a jock at Manly Rugby Club, and people looked up to him, 804 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,840 because he was going to be the "next best thing" kind of thing, 805 00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,640 and he had this funny, gorgeous girlfriend. 806 00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,520 REPORTER: It seems that no-one noticed 807 00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,600 that Keli Lane was pregnant in 1996, 808 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,280 not even her lover. 809 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,040 Duncan Gillies was her boyfriend at the time. 810 00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,040 REPORTER: Even her boyfriend, Duncan Gillies, 811 00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,640 who was sleeping with her at the time, was clueless. 812 00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:29,920 ABERNETHY: Duncan, her partner, he didn't seem to suspect anything. 813 00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,880 It was really strange. Really strange. 814 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,240 She insisted on having sex in a certain way with Gillies. 815 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,840 Her boyfriend described that during several months 816 00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:47,480 she had insisted on a particular position during intimacy 817 00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,280 of not facing him. 818 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,000 Spooning? 819 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,680 Yes. That was the term that was used. 820 00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,560 Mr Gillies explained to the court 821 00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,360 that at the time of her pregnancies 822 00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,640 he only saw her a few times a week. 823 00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:04,560 He also told the court she kept her back to him during sex 824 00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,520 to conceal her stomach. 825 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,320 I think, um... 826 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,160 ..it's almost unbelievable 827 00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:13,760 that someone couldn't know that their girlfriend was pregnant. 828 00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,360 (CAMERAS SNAP) 829 00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:44,360 I asked her the question, "What happened to Tegan?" 830 00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,840 And she refused to answer the question. 831 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,480 She exercised her right against self-incrimination, 832 00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,120 and we stood her down. 833 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,080 (CAMERAS SNAP) 834 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:02,400 The objective was that she not be referred for charges. 835 00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:07,320 It would have been very ill-advised for her to give evidence. 836 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,400 Whether she wanted to give evidence, I don't know. 837 00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,080 I assume you could ask Keli. 838 00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:15,720 Did you want to say anything? 839 00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,880 KELI: Of course you think, "Oh, I should've said something," 840 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,040 but at that stage I was completely guided by my legal team at... 841 00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:22,400 (BLEEP!) 842 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,000 They didn't even entertain me speaking. 843 00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:25,840 (BLEEP!) 844 00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:31,680 REPORTER: Keli, do you want the truth to come out? 845 00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,160 REPORTER: ..might not be the end of it? 846 00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:36,200 WOMAN: The mystery over the disappearance of newborn Tegan Lane 847 00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:37,560 is no closer to being solved. 848 00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:41,880 MAN: One of Australia's greatest mysteries remains just that. 849 00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,440 Keli, isn't it just time to tell the truth now? 850 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,040 Why won't you tell the truth, Keli? 851 00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:51,480 Was that tiring, that inquest, for you? 852 00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,440 Absolutely. Yeah. 853 00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,200 It was extremely draining. 854 00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:00,560 I remember one night during the inquest 855 00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,480 because it was getting so much attention, 856 00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,520 and my daughter asked me as I was putting her to bed, 857 00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,200 saying good night to her 858 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,160 and she goes, "Mummy, have you found baby Tegan yet?" 859 00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,560 "No, Mummy hasn't found baby Tegan yet." 860 00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,960 Tegan Lane was never found, she's never come forward, 861 00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:21,840 Andrew Norris/Morris... 862 00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,920 Never found, never come forward. 863 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,640 REPORTER: Coroner John Abernethy found: 864 00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,800 The coroner wants Homicide called in. 865 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,560 I just thought it was crying out 866 00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,920 for a really, really thorough reinvestigation. 867 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,840 They really needed to do a lot of gumshoe work. 868 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,080 They really needed to chase this Morris or Norris. 869 00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,760 If I asked you to describe in a word or a phrase, 870 00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,040 how thorough the search for Andrew Norris 871 00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:55,440 or the biological father was...? 872 00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,240 Fractured and incomplete. 873 00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:01,040 The first thing they should've done 874 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,600 was get fairly complete instructions from Keli, 875 00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,440 'cause she certainly described Andrew to the police, 876 00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,680 what Andrew Norris would actually look like. 877 00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:14,480 The general description of him was around 5 foot 10, 878 00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,160 well-built, tanned complexion, 879 00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:19,520 either mousey or blonde hair, 880 00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,400 and Caucasian. 881 00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,720 So this is how Keli described Andrew Norris to police 882 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,800 back when she was first interviewed. 883 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:33,560 Police focus has always been on the name, rather than the face. 884 00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:38,800 So imagine if a COMFIT, a generated image, was created, 885 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,600 of what he apparently looks like. 886 00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:43,680 See if anyone recognises him. 887 00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,800 In relation to the description that Keli provided in the interview, 888 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,120 there wasn't a consideration to undertake a COMFIT. 889 00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,600 The police, they never got a sketch or anything done. 890 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,280 And... 891 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,320 Certainly one of the first things that we thought of 892 00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:04,600 when we took on the case 893 00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,960 is, "OK, where's the COMFIT?" 894 00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,960 Why didn't they...you know, the police put together a profile? 895 00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,760 I would've thought it completely logical to get those details, 896 00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,440 get a photo fit, and broadcast it to the world. 897 00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:23,000 "Australia, have you seen this man?" Job done. 898 00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:28,840 MAN: My name is Terry Dunnett. 899 00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,520 I was a police sergeant in charge of head of the forensic imaging unit. 900 00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:39,000 In my career I've done in excess of 3,000 composite sketches 901 00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:40,880 and composite images. 902 00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,760 I was the first Australian police officer 903 00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,040 invited to the FBI Academy in the States 904 00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:57,880 What I'm going to do is talk to her at length 905 00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,280 when I initially meet her 906 00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,960 to find out exactly where we are going on this, 907 00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,400 how clear she is in her memory. 908 00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,520 It very much depends on her. 909 00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:12,200 Given the amount of time that has elapsed I've got little doubts. 910 00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:16,080 We've got some images that we're going to use as tools 911 00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,280 to put together a composite, 912 00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:19,480 which are facial features. 913 00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:24,000 Is it possible for someone to completely invent a face? 914 00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:25,080 Yes. 915 00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:29,480 They can sit there and they can construct a face of Mr Nobody. 916 00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,120 Usually there will be a few warning signs if that's what they're doing. 917 00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:36,200 What's your kind of bullshit detector like for people? 918 00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:37,880 Ah, pretty good, pretty good. 919 00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:40,400 When I'm putting together a picture 920 00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,480 I will get a fair idea that they're lying to me. 921 00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,200 And how quickly do you reckon you'll know 922 00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,680 if you are going to get a good result? 923 00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,040 Within half an hour. 924 00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:52,680 Within half an hour we will often terminate 925 00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,840 and say we're not going to get anything. 926 00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:57,600 See how we go. 927 00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,560 Nothing ventured, nothing gained. 928 00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,280 Okey dokey do. 929 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,920 Alright. I'll talk to you later. Alright, good luck. 930 00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,120 ELISE: Hello. You're back! I'm back. 931 00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:18,920 Hi, Terry. How'd you go? 932 00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,560 OK. Come through to the end room there. 933 00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:23,800 The inner sanctum! 934 00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,720 What do you think of her memory compared to what you'd expect 935 00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,680 of a memory this far forward in time? 936 00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:31,320 It was very good. 937 00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,840 Was Keli Lane manufacturing a face? 938 00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,200 No, she wasn't. She certainly wasn't. 939 00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,080 Did it pass your test of believability? 940 00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:40,480 Yes. 941 00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:44,760 Whatever I was drawing was clear in her mind. 942 00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,720 She was consistent throughout 943 00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,040 from the initial features that she selected 944 00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,720 to what we finished up with. 945 00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,120 She didn't sway at all. 946 00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,280 OK. I can't wait any longer. 947 00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,080 OK. We'll have a look. 948 00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:04,400 Here we are. That's the original sketch, 949 00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,000 That's the thumbnail. 950 00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,640 Stocky build, fairly square sort of face. 951 00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:19,360 Mousey brown hair, spiky, short squat nose with a little scar on it. 952 00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:20,840 Steely blue eyes. 953 00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,440 So you believe this Andrew Norris man exists? 954 00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,480 Uh...who ever she describes to me exists. 955 00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,440 Do you recognise this guy? Who is he? 956 00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:34,920 Does this person exist? 957 00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,360 WOMAN: Tegan wasn't under the house. She wasn't in the walls. 958 00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,040 She wasn't in the backyard. 959 00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:46,480 We were never going to find Tegan. 960 00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:47,760 WOMAN: I just want your dad to know 961 00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,920 that they can fucking dig to China, I don't give a shit. 962 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:52,360 Could Tegan be alive? 963 00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:53,800 Yes. 964 00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,520 What would you ask Keli if you could? 965 00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,240 Was Tegan mine? 966 00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,040 REPORTER: Keli, what do you have to say to charges? 967 00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:02,760 Please don't touch me. 968 00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,720 Was it a fair and proper murder trial? 969 00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,000 REPORTER: Keli, Keli... 970 00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:13,760 NEWSREADER: Stunning allegations have been made 971 00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:15,440 at the Keli Lane murder trial. 972 00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,920 Yes, I think you've raised a question that requires an answer. 973 00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,640 But there are so many questions for the defence. You know? 974 00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,320 What was their tactic at the trial? 975 00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,200 ABERNETHY: Be very careful before you go convicting people 976 00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:28,840 where there's no body. 977 00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,000 MAN: It had been such a harrowing experience for me 978 00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,360 that I no longer which to preside over any criminal trial 979 00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:36,360 as a judge. 980 00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,480 Captions by Red Bee Media 981 00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:40,680 Copyright Australian Broadcasting Corporation 74276

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