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[Karl] You remember when Strand went to North Carolina?

[Connor] Yeah.

-Greg got these the night before. -Oh is this about this?

Oh gosh.

You know, I was not expecting all this.

I was not expecting any of this.

What?!

♪ Hellier intro theme music ♪

♪ [Joy to the World] ♪

[Windshield wipers and rain]

[Greg] I'm not really sure what it is about the Mothman Prophecies

that draws me to it. I'm a big fan of Keel.

I really like the way that Keel thought about the phenomena.

It's more in line with the way that I'm thinking about the phenomena these days.

That all this stuff is connected, and that there's maybe some sort of a trickster

vibe with it, that there might be some sort of...

...strangeness that slips through once in a while.

And we see that as ghosts, or monsters, or UFOs.

But it's all coming from the same place.

I really like that.

I think my connection to the Mothman Case in general is almost accidental.

It's one of the first things that Dana and I wanted to go see.

It's the first place that we tested our first car.

We drove out and we road tested it.

We got our first crack in the windshield driving out to the T.N.T. area.

And ever since then, it's felt like every big change in our life, we go there,

and we go to Point Pleasant.

I've never seen the Mothman as a sinister thing.

I've almost seen it more as a signifier of change.

Not necessarily a harbinger of doom.

Yeah.

I think it's just Mothman and Point Pleasant in general has become...

...like a representationof change.

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Because we continued to find connections to the Mothman Case,

because there were connections to Keel,

and because we were in the vicinity with Taunia,

it just made sense that we go to Point Pleasant.

It seemed like Point Pleasant was such an impactful place to be.

It was a hub...

of some of the craziest visitation experiences that had ever happened.

It just made sense to go there.

[Karl] Indrid Cold was an unexpected development in the Hellier case.

We're not sure if it was a random one-off coincidence,

or if it was actually connected to this phenomena as a whole, in general.

And we kind of understand the fact that

the Mothman Case is kind of tangential to the Hellier case.

It might be part of the same, but we're not sure.

But it kept coming up.

It seemed significant in season one.

They were dangling threads that the larger phenomena

could have been connected with as a whole,

and we wanted to make sure that it was thoroughly followed up on.

So having the chance to talk to Taunia,

having the chance to explore Ashland

and follow up on the Terry Wriste story,

Point Pleasant is the heart of those two places.

It's right there in that same area.

We wanted to go to the heart of that phenomena from 1966 and 1967,

and try to communicate with that, and figure out

if it was the same phenomena that we'd been dealing with from the start.

I mean I think we, we literally have a piece of equipment that's

designed to enhance latent psychic abilities.

That's something that I think we could use.

We could use the God helmet.

We could use it while doing an Estes Method session.

It's literally never been done!

Ever.

The other thing you could do too is you could have me

doing the God helmet and someone else doing the Estes Method

at the same time. -[Connor] hmm.

[Tyler] Yeah.

Well then why don't you be the receiver,

- [Tyler] Yeah - and you be the sender.

Well then you, what you have to do is, you have to tell me,

what I need to be sending out. [Tyler] Perfect!

- [Tyler] I love it. - So we whisper into Dana's ears,

and we wait for your answers.

- Perfect. - Or, whoever's.

And you're right, we need to take something to enhance

our possible abilities, because we're not going to be able to just

sit in a field and be like "tell me the message",

so we need to give enhancers.

-Well the dome is built, in the shape of something that,

like, the domes themselves are like-- [Connor] freaks me out a little bit.

So the, the session that I would do is

30 minutes.

- [Greg] I mean that's literally the session, yeah.

It's just 30 minutes, that's it, and it runs

- [Connor] oh that's how long your thing is? -Yeah

It just runs for 30 minutes and then it's done.

- [Connor] ok. - So we wouldn't be in there for,

you know, an hour or anything like that,

so that at least limits the amount of time that we're spending in, in the domes.

- [Dana] If that was a concern

[Greg] How do you feel about this?

I... I still feel uncomfortable about what I experienced like a year ago,

you know? When they, when they shot an image into my mind.

- [Dana] It's a tin can.

Just like the one that I saw.

[Connor] I just saw, like a tin can,

just dropped into my mind.

Like, an old tin can

with no label.

Why is this here, you know?

Like, that's a legitimate thing. Not just for this, like, filming,

or like, but that like, freaked me out.

And now we're actually going out there, specifically asking them to send a message

specifically asking them to send a message?

- [Greg] Well, we have sent in the last 2, 3 days

we have sent emails to Terry Wriste, we have sent emails to David,

we've sent to Greenfield. We, we just spent an hour and a half with

Taunia. - [Connor] mm-hmm

You know, the best link we could find to Indrid Cold,

and that whole crew.

And now we're in Point Pleasant!

And we're gonna put a God Helmet on,

and we're gonna do an Estes Method session.

What else can we do?

The Estes Method Session we'd done in Hellier on the porch

was such a big deal. Like, we'd gotten such...

...interesting information! And even information that seems

more interesting the further away we get from the event.

Things that are still relevant.

So much came out of that, and it seemed like such a special session.

We had someone's attention.

We wanted to know how we could do that again.

to maybe get an idea of what the next step now was.

So... we thought... let's see if we can amplify the response

that we got from the original session

by using some new equipment that's designed to do just that.

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[Dana] The domes are the place in Point Pleasant where it all started,

So it feels like a very good spot

to do an experiment like that.

It's funny. I almost feel as if, when you're in Point Pleasant,

it was as if Mothman was visiting Point Pleasant,

but the T.N.T areas and the domes feel as if it's his space.

Like that's where he was, that was his.

He wasn't in town, he had kind of hide out there.

So I still kind of feel that energy there,

and I feel as if that's where it's really concentrated for the most part,

and it's still consistently concentrated.

I don’t know if that has anything to do with the shape of the domes themselves,

like, containing energy.

Or if it's something about the land possibly?

But the domes feel like the starting point,

and they always feel like the ending point too,

so I always like to kind of bring it back to the T.N.T area.

[sounds of rainfall]

[door creaking open]

[Connor] hoo![echoes in dome]

[Dana] tin can[echoes in dome]

[footsteps echo]

[incoherent mumbling and echoes]

[Karl] So disorienting.

[incoherent mumbling and echoes]

[Karl] So disorienting

[Karl] So disorienting[echoes]

[Connor] So, look at this. It's my name!

[Dana laughs] [Karl] Oh shit, dude.

- Connor B two oh two oh.

[sounds of leaves crunching]

[swoosh of chair being pulled out of the vinyl bag]

[Dana] The God helmet is a device, and it's a tool,

that we can use, and it essentially helps us

trigger similar feelings that people have when they have

religious experiences, psychic experiences,

and paranormal experiences.

So the God Helmet is actually working to get your brain to

respond the same way that we will respond to in those

types of situations.

Sort of a cheat code in a way.

It forces the brain to respond that way.

I'm gonna do this as quick as I can.

[Greg] The Koren helmet is a piece of equipment

that was developed by Dr. Michael Persinger

and Stan Koren from Laurentian University

in order to study religious experiences.

this was something they've been using

since at least the 80's.

The way that it works, is it takes complex magnetic fields,

and it pumps them through different hemispheres of the brain

in order to, to stimulate a religious experience.

The media has dubbed this thing the "God Helmet"

because it's given so many people visions of God.

In a lot of places that are considered "holy places",

they have higher, stranger electromagnetic fields,

and they just figured, maybe there's something about these,

these areas that's causing these experiences.

[Greg] and so they create a device that simulates those.

It's also been used in lots of psychic experiments,

which is something they didn't necessarily anticipate

when they were building this thing.

They've used it with tons of psychic experiments,

with remote viewing experiments with people like Ingo Swann,

and they've found that when they have the coils arranged

in a specific way, they can actually enhance someone's

latent psychic abilities to the point where their hits are,

crazy above where they would normally be.

[Tyler] two, three [Connor] what the....

[Tyler] *incoherent* the number three

[Dana] I've worn the God helmet probably, at this point,

maybe ten times? So I'm pretty used, like I'm pretty comfortable with it

and I kind of, I know what to expect.

Ten days after, the ten days that follow wearing the God helmet,

I tend to be a bit spacy and kind of needing to, be alone and meditate

and, and spend time in thought. So, I wasn't particularly

excited about, [laughs], about spending the next ten days being a space cadet.

But I also know that, you know, I'm the most familiar with it

so I wouldn't put anybody else through it if they've

never done it before. It can be pretty overwhelming.

[Connor] So the helmet that Greg and Dana brought out

to use is the, well actually the only official non-laboratory model.

It was developed by a guy named Todd Murphy with Dr. Persinger's help

and his old research files

[Dana] It's not an unpleasant feeling, but it's definitely

nothing, it's not like my waking state, where in my waking state,

I, I observe reality the way that I do. When I do a God helmet session,

It's very different. It feels very different.

You kind of feel very removed from everything that's happening

around you, and a lot of what you're experiencing is sort of happening,

it's strange, it, it sounds strange but it's all kind of happening up here.

So it's definitely a physical--you physically feel it and you kind of,

emotionally feel it.

[Greg] Alright, five.

Four.

Three.

Two.

One.

[Greg] Think about Coner and Conard.

Think about Indrid Cold's family.

Think about anyone that might have been part of his mission.

That's who we want to make contact with.

[Connor takes a deep breath]

There's a gate.

[Greg] Where is the gate?

Young

[Connor] Easy

He say "easy"? [Dana whispers] I see a rose

You see a moose?

- [Dana] A rose. - A rose.

- [Connor] Indrid - Indrid?

- [Connor] don't - What can you tell us about Indrid?

- [Connor] talk to me

- [Greg] This is a little new, we haven't tried this before.

Who are we talking to?

We're trying to make contact with Indrid Cold,

his family. We heard there was an accident.

We're looking for information... - [Connor] She called him, the car

- Where are you? - I'm hearing beeps,

- [Connor, imitating beeps] do do do do, do

- [Dana] I see headlights again

- It was like seven or eight beeps in a row.

- Are you sending Morse code?

- [Connor imitating more beeps] do do do do, do

- That sounds like Morse code.

- [Connor] No. - [Greg] Oh it's not Morse code?

- [Greg] Where are you?

- [Connor imitating more beeps] dodododo, do, dooka dooka

- [Connor] It's the strangest thing.

He's talking about a head, and ears while she's talking about seeing a face.

[Tyler] What kind of face?

[Dana] Um...

[Connor] Pizza man.

[Greg] Pizza man? [Dana chuckles]

[Connor] Three.

Clops.

[Greg] Hair, three, clops.

[Tyler] Hair, three, clops...

[Greg] Clops?

[Connor] Press.

Press three?

[Connor] "Hi" - female voice.

[Tyler] Did he say on the deck?

Three of wands.

[Connor] They were playing Ouija.

They were playing Ouija

[Dana] Three of wands is the card of journey.

I'm gonna set this card down,

cause it sounds like it's important.

[Connor] Aim... hee haw.

[Greg] Hee haw?

[Dana] I feel like somebody's trying to like,

I feel... plugged in to something

[Greg] Hmm.

[Connor] Are you doing that?

[Dana] Yes

- [Greg] Dana... - [Connor] George. Gore.

- I think that maybe you should ask the questions.

[Dana] Can you hear me?

Speak

- [Dana] My name is Dana. - Messaging you.

-Messaging you...

There was a point when it felt like, we weren’t getting anywhere.

We weren't getting, we weren't getting much of anything.

And so, I said "Dana, why don't you ask the questions".

And the minute that we did that, it was like a switch went off.

Everything became pointed. It was like they were having a conversation.

[Connor] Calm down

[Dana takes a deep breath]

Here.

[Dana] Can you give us a message?

- Can you speak to us in the English language?

- Trying

- I know you're trying.

- The database - It's a database, isn't it?

- The code

- Absorbing

- [Dana] information - [Connor] Keep talking, yeah.

- [Dana] information

Connor said "database" at one point, and that word was what

made me realize, what they were trying to explain to me

was that there's a database of human English words,

or potentially other languages that they were trying to use

to communicate with us but the word meant more than just the word.

And it was their way of sort of saying the way that we communicate

with each other as people, there's a lot in there that doesn't need

to be in there, and that each one of these words were sort of this condensed,

concentrated thing, that was really about communicating emotionally

rather than verbally, or through language.

[Dana] Can I do better?

[Connor] That's it

[Dana] We're talking to each other, right now.

[Dana] I will do better.

Cold.

[Dana] Wha.. What should I call you? Loop?

There's groun...

ma...

Do it, orange.

[Dana] With, warmth?

[Dana] Warmth.

[Connor] Ten-four.

Connor and I began to communicate that way,

using this database of words, and each one of these words

meant a thousand times more than just the word itself.

There were, there were emotions, and colors, and all sorts of expressive,

like, symbols that were attached to them.

- You're speaking in, colors.

- You seem, pale [Connor chuckles]

- I like your language.

- Who's quoting this?

- Dana

- What?

- That's my name.

- Just a second, you confused me.

- Are you on this planet? Are you on Earth?

- [Connor] In the city.

- [Dana] You're in the city.

- [Connor] It's...

- [Connor] true... talking a-bout.

- [Dana] Where is Indrid?

- [Connor] Circle.

- Can we... go there?

- [Connor] This is a small time.

- [Connor] Low

- You liked families.

- [Connor] Talking is good...

- [Connor] for...

- Can you tell us where to go next?

Where do we go next?

- [Connor] Schoolyard.

Schoolyard

- [Connor] "Ottan" Falls listening

Ah- ahton falls?

- [Connor] Told ya.

- [Dana] Can you give us a city?

- [Connor] Out... out of, state

- [Greg] Out of state. - [Dana] Out of state.

- [Connor] Horse

- [Connor] Who...

- [Greg] Horse

- [Connor] Talking, voice.

Talking about small....

- Mexican state? - [Dana at same time] should we talk in...

- [Dana] Thank you.

A shiver, the

- [Dana] Thank you. - Plant

[Connor takes a deep breath]

- [Dana] Pull him out, Greg.

- [Greg] Ask a really direct question, Dana.

- Are you gone?

- Boots

Wait

- Will we talk with you again?

- [Connor] It's good

[Greg mouths "are you ready?"]

- [Dana] We'll try harder.

- [Greg] I'm gonna pull him out. You're done Dana.

- [Dana] Yeah, I know.

- [Tyler] I hope we can talk again soon.

- [Dana] Goodbye

- [Greg] thank you.. - [Connor] to get through

- [Connor] I feel like everything's a lot more faint now

- [Dana] Yep, oh they're going. They're gone.

- [Greg] He said "I feel like everything's a lot more faint now"

- [Dana] They're all gone, They're gone.

While I'm in the Estes Method, suddenly something, happens,

that I wasn’t used to, that I found unusual,

in that the words, and the signal, and even the noise that I was hearing

through the headphones just suddenly, ffft, like,

notched down in volume.

Which was crazy, cause there's no way Connor would have known.

There's no way.

I was even off, cause I said like:

"oh yeah, it's like a, it's like a thirty minute session"

It wasn’t. It lasted even longer than that.

So, there's no way he would have known it was over.

He just said, I'm not getting anything anymore.

Almost as if the megaphone, the amplifier, that signal that we

were boosting out through the domes,

to these beings, to this phenomena,

when her time session ended, [ffft].

Once that connection was severed, we were done.

- I, what do you think happened? - I think you turned into an antenna,

is what I think.

- I just had a full on conversation with an alien [laughs]

But here's the thing. They don't talk like we do.

They talk, with emotion.

They translate emotion into words.

And that's why it's hard to understand what they're saying.

They use pictures. They use pictures, they use colors.

I wasn't understanding it here, I was understanding them,

the symbols emotionally and then I would say something to you

and you'd be like "you said ten-four"

like I figured, like [laughs].

Her session ended, and we let her keep asking questions,

and what was so funny, is like, two, three minutes after

the session ended you said something like "I feel like everything just got murky"

- That's, it did! - [Dana] I couldn't hear them anymore

- I sat there, the--

- [Dana] I couldn't feel them anymore, that's a better way to put it.

-The whole antenna, and the words, just

- [Dana] Drifted away?

-I was really stretching to hear anything, because,

- [Greg] After her thing... - [Connor] That's awesome

- [Connor] I didn’t even think about that correlation at all...

- [Dana] I felt like, I felt like, it just, my feelings stopped.

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[Tyler] We sat and watched, a conversation unfold....

between, between two, two people [laughs]

A person and something else.

it was really striking, but I think... I think the domes themselves added

to this strange, this strange ambiance where everything just seemed, ethereal

In a lot of ways it felt like we were, I felt like we were in someplace else.

[Wind blowing]

[Karl] As we're compiling this research and this information over the last year,

there's a trend I started to notice, of bridges and borders.

I know in the east coast, that there's a lot of state boundaries

that are defined by rivers. and of course back in the old days,

at the time, rivers of course are a big mode of transportation.

So if you're gonna have a city center, it's gonna be on a river

so that you can trade and travel very easily.

But there's this strange trend, especially these days,

when, there's cities and towns all over the place now

throughout the state. They don't hang out only along

these river borders anymore.

And we keep seeing this consistently. Bridges and borders.

Point Pleasant, West Virginia is a border town with a bridge.

Stillwater, Minnesota. Stillwater bridge, it's a border town

along a river.

Ashland.

It's a border town, with a river and a bridge.

There's these consistencies that keep popping up.

And, even Tyler Strand points out that there's some symbolism there,

that a bridge is going from one place to another.

It's a transition type of place.

It's a place where you're entering something new,

and he's pointed out a number of times as well that,

you get enough people, traveling, over this one

bottleneck spot, thinking about transitioning, there’s the signs,

welcome to this next state.

It's transition, it's transition, this thought is continuously being

projected onto this space.

Maybe it becomes a space of transition

Maybe it becomes almost a doorway.

Or a window,

to another place.

[Dana] That we are about to move into the next chapter.

That's what it feels like.

I really, truly feel as if this week has been the, the final, kind of,

two pages of the last chapter.

And now we're about to move into the next one.

[Karl] If there are two main locations,

that are connected with Terry Wriste,

one of those was the location where he met Indrid Cold,

Ashland, Kentucky.

The other, were the coordinates that he sent to Greg and Dana.

Greg and Dana always associated those coordinates

with where they were on Brown Mountain,

that cave entrance.

But when we plugged the coordinates in,

they were actually at a spot a couple miles away.

Seemingly, in the middle of nowhere.

[Car dings. Keys jingle.]

[Karl] Tyler Strand, when he had a couple of days off between his school semesters,

he decided to go to those coordinates himself

and see what was there.

to finally go to the exact spot where those coordinates were.

The night before he left on that journey,

Greg got a new email,

that changed the framing of this entire case.

I mean I've been waiting. I've been waiting for this,

since we started putting the articles up

and nothing like this has come in.

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