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[Greg] I've got one more scene for you.

You should sit down.

I'm going to send you home with a present.

I'm going to send you home

with something to think about.

Sit down.

[laughing] Ok I need to be... sitting for this?

So. Remember what Tenney said about setting intentions?

[Karl] uh-huh.

And then it goes "oh. Okay, fine."

This showed up in February.

And I've been hanging onto it

because I had a bit of a meltdown.

because I thought somebody who had seen Hellier

was fucking with us.

[Karl] What?

-Because this happened the day

he went to North Carolina.

[Tyler] The night before.

-You knew about this?

-Literally the intention of going to North Carolina -

I fucking told him, I called him up

and I said "somebody fucking saw Hellier."

[Tyler] Listen...

"somebody fucking saw Hellier -"

[Dana] start... shhh. Start... Just give him the emails.

[Tyler] It's taken a dark turn.

[Whispering] Life and death...

♪ Hellier theme plays ♪

I just received 2 visitors carrying some devasting news.

Indrid Cold, age 92, Demo Hasan, and Karl Ardo died today.

When I have more information I will pass it along.

Obit posted soon.

[Tyler] what?!

What. The. Fuck.

Did she ever post an obit?

[Connor] she never posted an obit.

[Dana] nothing.

And she is still online

but this was shared on her little

page for her book that she wrote.

Then she says that she's writing a new book

that will be out before Christmas 2018 called Indrid Cold: Man or Myth

[Greg] Connor tells us that according to

Woodrow Derenberger's daughter,

the last real connection to Indrid Cold,

that Indrid Cold is dead.

It was a shock

and I think that shock exists

because if Indrid was such a vital part to this search,

this journey, what did that mean for us?

what did that mean for the rest of this research?

Were the synchronicities going to stop?

Was the search over?

Was the message that we may have been relaying

to somebody else pointless

if Terry Wriste was trying to contact him

or send a message for him?

Did it all end?

And that was a mystery we needed to get to the bottom of.

I mean we could go talk to her if we wanted to.

[Dana] mmhm

I mean she's a nice old lady, you know?

Who received two mysterious visitors who stopped in at her home

and said that they died?

I'm actually like sad about that.

Seriously, that bums me out.

[Tyler] yeah.

But what does that -

[Connor] We obviously have to question her story,

and her dad's story, [Greg] for sure

But if there is anybody that they're going to be in contact with,

that they're going to stop in to, it's like the military

stopping in, being like hey it's a family friend

like, he did pass away.

That, in a weird way, doesn't seem that far-fetched.

That was not the news I was expecting to hear.

Connor had some big information for us,

and he refused to give it to us

until we were all sitting down together.

But the idea that Indrid Cold might be dead

was a weird twist. It was unusual information.

And to be coming from a good source, too.

It was coming from the daughter of the first person that allegedly

met Indrid Cold. That's hard info,

that's something that we could go talk to her about.

[Connor] And for all of these people in the world

that know about this. He's gained a mythos,

a figure about him, but nobody is paying attention to her.

[Dana] Yeah. That's so strange.

Yeah. And it's almost kind of sad,

you know where it's like she, I'm a little bit -

[Greg] she has an actual connection. By blood. To the case.

-Yeah, a literal connection. She met the man. Supposedly.

- Right. - And they were friends.

And not good friends, but they were in contact,

they would check in, she said that they had a very basic

family friend sort of a relationship. and now she is out there,

and I wonder if she is just sitting there thinking that nobody is listening

to her stuff. There's all these people, you know there's like creditors

claiming scary stories with Indrid Cold, "the grinning man."

He's gained this mythos

and it's like "no, this is the O.G.'s" This is the family,

you know? [Dana] Yeah, exactly.

[Greg] Where is her old folks home ?

[Connor] Parkersburg. She's still in the same neighborhood, the same town.

It's literally a three and half hour drive.

♪ "White Stucco Walls" by The Bent Brothers ♪

♪♪♪

[Radio Announcer] We are here to talk to a man

that allegedly did make contact with such an object

within the Parkersburg area last evening.

November the 2nd, 1966.

at approximately 7:25 P.M.

Woodrow Derenberger: Last night,

shortly after 7 o' clock I was coming from

Marietta, Ohio

coming down interstate 77

And just before I came to the intersection of Route 47,

there was a car, passed me, overtaken me from behind

and following closely behind this car was this

Unidentified Flying Object

and as the car behind passed me, this object

was following close behind it and it swerved directly in front of my truck

turning crosswise. As soon as I stopped there was

a door opened in the side of this... vehicle

and this man stepped out,

and came directly to me,

or came to the truck. He walked to the right hand side of the truck

and he told me to roll down the window--

he asked me to roll down the window on my right hand side of my truck.

[Connor] This is where he met Indrid Cold.

He came up, pulled off the side of the highway.

His ship parked in front of him here. He asked about the lights in the city.

He approached from the right hand side of the vehicle.

[Dana] He would have been on this side. - He was going along up this side.

[Dana] But there was something strange about standing where I was standing,

because that's where Indrid was standing. Indrid came to that side of the car,

he stood on that side of the car. Looking at the trees

that were blocking out the city and seeing that glowing orange behind it.

It was very strange, it felt like a meeting place.

Even just the idea of like reading these stories and hearing the stories

and then standing there in that spot

and looking around and seeing exactly what was described.

♪♪♪

Woodrow Derenberger: And this man stood there and he

first asked me what I was called;

and then he asked me, he said 'Why are you frightened?'

He said 'Don't be frightened we wish you no harm'

He said 'We mean you no harm, we wish you only happiness.'

'And I told him my name and when I told him my name

he said that he was called Cold."

He appeared very courteous and friendly.

And after I talked with him a while

he told me he would see me, he said 'we will see you again.'

and he left in his vehicle.

- tape deck clicking -

Taunia Derenberger: Yeah I was a four year old little girl

I was always Daddy's Girl.

and I always waited up for dad and

that night he came in and he walked right passed me,

and he looked white as a sheet. And dad never walked right past me.

I mean, he walked right past me like I wasn't even there.

And then into the kitchen, and started talking to mom

about his experience, and she was afraid he'd scare us so

she sent us up to our room, my brother and I.

[laughing] And of course I snuck back downstairs so I could hear everything.

and after that we had all kinds of people coming in the house.

And when he did his interview the next day there were, I swear hundreds

literally hundreds of people.

I think half of Parkersburg showed up and were outside in our yard.

[Greg] I think above else I was really excited to talk to Taunia.

And maybe that's just because we're talking to the person who has one

of the last links to one of the most famous contactee cases.

So the idea that we'd actually get to talk to somebody

that was a tangible connection to that case was really exciting to me.

It's been a while since I've heard from Indrid.

As I said yesterday, I saw Coner and Conard

they came into my room here about a month and a half ago

to let me know about Indrid's wreck.

Well I had been sleeping, and there was a knock on the door

and they came in and of course I was very upset

when they gave me that message.

And they were very upset.

So we kind of hugged each other and cried for a while

and luckily there wasn't many, we don't have many aides on the floor at night

so it's not like anybody would have come into my room.

[Greg] what are the details that you know about the accident?

The only thing that I know is that

he, Demo Hassan, and Karl Ardo were all on a ship

chasing some humanoids

and they crashed into the humanoid ship

and basically kinda, both ships burst into flames.

The boys didn't, I don't think the boys were told a whole lot

even though they were older.

I think as time moves by they'll be able to open up more to me.

But they were pretty upset.

[Greg] Do you think they're... gone?

I don't know if they're gone or if they're just...

The boys think that they're gone.

[Greg] Do you think they died?Did they pass away?

Yeah I think... the boys have me convinced that they did,

so I don't know if that's just something so that he can, you know,

get out of existence for a while, or if it's true. Like I said,

I'm sure the boys will open up to me more as time goes by.

[Greg] What is your opinion on what happened? What do you think the truth is?

I don't know, I know for a long time Indrid wanted to just

get out of everything, so...

[Greg] Do you think there might be a possibility that he and the

crew faked their deaths? - There might be.

She said that Indrid and his crew had died in a ship crash.

That they were chasing humanoids

and the ships collided, and exploded.

And she believed that that's possibly the end of Indrid Cold.

Another detail that she volunteered that we didn't have to ask was

the two visitors that she received in the middle of the night

to give her the bad news were actually Indrid's sons, Coner and Conard.

I think it was like three weeks ago was the last time that

Coner and Conard actually visited her.

And she told us that they had visited her many times.

And she was able to kind of give us some physical descriptions.

They look like normal people,

that we would never necessarily know them if we happened to glance at them.

One of them has dark hair, one of them has blonde hair.

They're nice. They're well rounded boys I think was the equivalent of

what she had said at some point.

And that they come and they visit her and they spend time with her.

And they care enough about her that she would have been one of the

first people that they would have come to tell that Indrid

had passed away.

[Greg] Indrid's visitation happened here,the mothman happened here,

there's tons of UFO sightings, the Flatwoods Monster, and

many, many, more obscure cases

happened in what seems to be this tri-state area.

What do you think it is about here that it seems like it draws them?

What is it?

It's the Appalachian Mountains.

Because they can hide.

There's a lot of places there to hide and it's very heavily wooded.

And that's what Indrid actually told me one time is that.

I said "well if you wanted to go hide, where would you hide?"

and that's what he told me.

He said "I'd go to the mountains."

[Greg] If we wanted to send a message to, you know, Indrid, and he may have

passed away, he may be in hiding. But to him or even to his sons,

that have taken over, how do we do that? What would be the best way?

Through me.

Because with the holidays coming I believe they'll be by.

[Greg] Do you find that they stop by, You know, are there specific

holidays that they come by? Is it every holiday?

Or just a few?

They came by last year when I was in the nursing home in

Northeast Ohio.

Christmas. My birthday. Mother's Day.

[Greg] Oh even Mother's Day? - Mother's Day, yeah.

If it's the best way to give them a message, would you mind

delivering a message to Indrid's sons?

Oh no, of course not.

[Connor] And so Greg and I were left withone of the coolest and oddest

tasks that we've ever had in our lives.

And Greg and I, as everybody is leaving the room,

we have a little piece of paper

in which we need to write down a message... to the aliens.

And we had to sit and think about what we wanted to say to them.

In hopefully a way that they would understand.

That if this is actually happening,

we have to accept that this could actually be happening,

the Cold family could be visiting Taunia.

And if they see this, we wanted to say the right thing.

[Greg] If I could only have asked Taunia one question,

it would have been "how do we contact the Cold family?"

That probably would have been what I would go with.

Because it seemed to be the most relevant to the case.

As the name Indrid kept coming up, with the idea that Indrid might be gone,

maybe training new people to take over whatever his mission was,

still, even now. "How do we contact the Cold family?"

or “how do we get contacted by the Cold family?"

That's the big question.

I don't know what to think about any of it anymore.

I almost feel like I've had to separate my brain into two sections.

where I'm running an A-B test for reality.

What is the world like if Coner and Conard are real?

and what does the world look like if they were just made up?

How do we take the case either way?

And I feel like that's something that we have had to do constantly

since the beginning of this.

We have to sit there and go

What does it mean for us and the case if David is real?

What does is mean if he's not?

What does it mean if Terry Wriste

is actually out there doing this stuff?

And what if it’s just a pseudonym for Allen Greenfield

who needed an avenue to write about something

he couldn't write about normally?

So I don't know. I guess that's my long winded way of saying

I don't know if Coner and Conard are real,

but I have to... I have to live in two realities.

And I think at the end of the day what we each think individually

isn't important. Because

I think that the contactee movement, like the experiences that these contactees have

you'd run around in circles forever trying to figure out

if each one is lying totally or partially, or if they're being true or not.

At the end of the day for me

it's about looking at patterns.

And looking at information gathered that they couldn't have known,

or probably didn't know.

It's the bigger picture type stuff.

So I think that spending too much time

fretting over whether or not the details of what Taunia is saying

are true or not, is less important

than the bigger picture.

So after we met with Taunia and we had all of that

information that she dumped on us,

about Indrid Cold, we decided to look

at the other side of Indrid Cold.

[Connor] It's important that we recognize that

are really different characterizations

between Woodrow Derenberger's Indrid Cold,

and Terry Wriste's Indrid Cold.

You read through both of these things

and Derenberger is saying a story that is honestly pretty pleasant.

He is an innocent explorer, who comes from a land much weaker than ours.

We're just hear to visit, and we just ran into you, and you seem like a nice guy

so we're going to tell you some things, and you should tell your government

and people in power. That's the basic story there.

And then there's the Indrid Cold that Terry Wriste

apparently came into contact with.

Who's this secretive, almost military-esque

figure who is hiding out.

Indrid Cold is a fugitive, along with his

crewmates, he's a fugitive on the run.

They created and enhanced a lot of the

window area of the mothman case

as a distress signal. That there's weird things -

they're trying to get away -

He's sitting here giving really coded messages to different people.

The interview, in the back of Greenfield's book,

was all about this secret, magical cipher

that you could apply to these alien contactee encounters,

and crack this code, and figure out

a bigger picture at work.

So I dove into the cipher myself. I tried to figure out what it was all about.

It was complex. Without the use of a computer code.

It was challenging to do by hand,

and to do that math for every single word or phrase that you pull

out of the book.

But I did learn how it works.

Cipher aside, without even knowing how to work the cipher,

they give all the clues that you need in the interview

between Greenfield and Wriste

about where he met Indrid Cold.

With the internet today,

that should be pretty easy to find.

So I tried to crack it.

Greenfield says "good stuff what does it all mean?"

He (Terry) says "like I said I'm leaving out other values

that I used in order to protect Mr. Cold

but from this I began looking near the Ohio-WV line,

the mothman area, for a church

112 also yields "All House of God"

with a graveyard adjacent (and the dead) near the

Kentucky-Ohio-West Virginia border along US Highway 52.

near a location where mothman had literally been sighted flapping across

Highway 52, I found such a church next to a restaurant called The Wagon Wheel

(the wheel)

with a churchyard on the other side and an address related to "I am 49 place."

I won't be more specific,

there was one little ramshackle house with words and signs all over it

about colds and stars and the like.

(Greenfield) "so you just walked up to the door?"

(Terry) "Yep. I walked up to this dude and said 'Mr. Cold I presume?'

he smiled and said 'my friends call me Indrid.'

So he says 'I won't be more specific.' I don't know how he could be more specific

he gives so much information.'

(Connor) We could try to find it.

We could try to find it. And that's what I was trying to do.

Because he gave us all these clues.

The biggest one being he gives this tri-state intersection.

Ohio - West Virginia - Kentucky

so I continued and I was like look, we've got this restaurant

called The Wagon Wheel

at the tri-state area. Ohio - Kentucky - West Virginia.

That should be google-able. So I've been trying and trying.

Finally after a little bit of work I found an obituary

for a Mary Hall

who it said she and her husband owned Hall's Wagon Wheel

Restaurant and then fatedly enough it provides the exact intersection

in the town where they owned the restaurant.

"On 17th Street and Greenup Avenue in Ashland, Kentucky."

this obit gives the exact cross street

oh where this old restaurant used to be

presuming it might be the one that is referenced.

so I start looking around on google earth and going down this whole rabbit hole

and I find this intersection of Ashland, Kentucky,

where this thing was supposed to be.

Now what's tough is, it's not gentrified but like it's pretty modern.

You know, there's a Verizon store right down the street.

and if this happened in the 80's,

we're started to talk about maybe four decades ago at this point.

Like three to four decades.

So it's gonna look really different.

Part of me wants to go down to Ashland and try to find some sort of historian,

or librarian, or something, who could try to help us try to figure out what that

intersection was like in the 80's and if there might have been

a ramshackle house there.

Karl's research probably got me the most amped up.

Because that's like tangible, real leads that we could follow. And, no one

has figured that out. No one has put that information together.

And it felt like I was ready to go.

I wanted to be there. I wanted to go and like walk around the streets

and poke around and just look for anything.

[Low bassy music]

[Greg] The minute that we got into Ashlandwe just started driving around.

Karl had a pretty good idea of the intersection that this should

have happened on.

So we go to the intersection, we look around.

Doesn't look like there's anything that could be The Wagon Wheel.

Everything's closed, we notice there's a police station,

it seemed like it had always been sort of a city center.

But it was obvious they had built things during that time period.

So all these different things line up. It seemed perfect, it felt right.

We all had the vibe that like, this is the place.

And it felt like a nicer place than I expected it to.

When we got there it felt like a really nice place.

[Karl] Highway 52 is the other side of the river right there.

[Greg] He found a church next to a restaurant called The Wagon Wheel,

"with a churchyard on the other side."

-The Wagon Wheel was 17th Street and Greenup.

Because this I think is 17th?

So I think it's that next intersection down there.

-Want to walk down there? -Yeah.

We're going to go that way.

[Karl] But the one thing that I thought was really interesting,

is going from their discussion,

"we are one, thy wife, letter, words and signs, ink and black,

all house of God, the wheel, I am 49 place, and as you

noted, cross 52 I flap.

Most all of those they explained how those applied.

But there's one or two they don't.

And one of the ones that don't is "letter."

And right like half a block down the street from this intersection,

is the old US Post office of Ashland, Kentucky.

and it's a really old stone building

that has clearly been there for 70, 80, 100 years.

That would have been there in the 80's for sure.

And so that's one of the things that isn't discussed in this is how "letter"

fits in to him finding Indrid Cold.

It's an old post office right there.

That could be another indicator of this being the right intersection.

I don't know if we're going to find too much

out until we start asking people. -Yeah. I agree.

-But I think you nailed the place. It feels right.

It feels right. Like it feels really promising, Karl.

What do you think, Dana?

[Karl] what kind of vibe?

♪ "Spend the Night" by Sunspot ♪

♪ ♪ ♪

[Connor] And I read through few times again last night,

and I'm still impressed.

and convinced that if there is a place where

Terry Wriste was and where he met Indrid Cold,

that we're here.

It's honestly a very specific set of waypoints for that time period.

- I think we go down, probably park right where we parked last night,

looking around, over by the old post office,

and literally just start walking in two places.

- Well if Indrid Cold, or Allen Greenfield was here just shooting this,

or if Terry Wriste was here, we're trying to find it.

And who knows where that will lead. But we'll try.

♪♪♪

[Greg] So the next day, we get up, and we just start asking around.

The police station was closed, so we couldn't get in there.

Fortunately there was a policeman who was stopping to go in and

he was super friendly, I approached him, and just kinda asked him

some questions. He didn't know where The Wagon Wheel was.

And then he stopped and he goes "but I will tell you this..."

I don't like talking bad about Ashland.

But we have an incredibly high rate of mentally ill people.

I asked him 'do you guys get weird reports quite often?'

Things like that?

And he's like "nah, I know other towns around the vicinity they get them,

you know like UFO reports, and stuff like that.

But we don't get much of that stuff. And he said

"But I will tell you, there is one really weird thing about Ashland.

The mental health is out of control in Ashland.

To a strange degree."

But he said he doesn't know of any weird stuff.

Again, Hellier vibes, again. Don't know of any strange sightings,

or anything like that,

mental health is an issue.

Let's go to the library, it'll be open within four minutes

of us getting there.

And we can start digging.

[Karl] That's kind of the thing that I learned about Ashland.

Was that it's got this really weird vibe to it.

It's got these strange, old, ancient burial mounds

right in the city central park. Back in the 30's,

the University of Kentucky concluded that there was

more evidence of a prehistoric occupation in Ashland

than in any other city in all of Kentucky.

Charles Manson even spent a few years here as a little kid

after being born in Cincinnati.

It's got this kind of weird vibe to it.

[Greg] The newspaper was closed,the police office was closed.

Which left us with the library.

Dana and Tyler were poring through old photos,

that were arranged by streets.

The lady told us where to find the different records for the different

businesses by year,

So we just starting pulling out different years.

Connor and I sat at the end of the table and looked through

different business records for that intersection.

trying to find any mention of the name Wagon Wheel.

[Pages flipping]

All house of God...

[Greg] And, like magic, looking over our shoulder,

Karl goes "here it is. That's the Wagon Wheel."

[Karl] Oh! I got it. Hall's Wagon Wheel Restaurant.

[Greg] you found it? -It's in '74...

- That's not here in '79

Hall's Wagon Wheel was there... the next year was...

Oh, so this is the last year it was there. '78.

[Karl] So we have verification that it was there in '78.

-Looks like '78. -Which is really close to our timeline.

-Yep. Because it's not there in '79.

-We have the exact address. [Karl] 123 17th Street.

-123. -123, my numbers.

-Karl's numbers. [Laughs]

[Dana] And that moment, where we actually, actually Karl found it, it was awesome.

It was that moment where you're like, holy crap this is all actually happening,

we keep saying it but we were in the shit then, like that moment we were 100%

investigating, we were 100% boots on the ground and I love that kind of stuff.

We know exactly where that was. We can go stand outside of it. Why don't we

put these back and go out and see it and just take a spin.

[Greg] So we knew, in a 4 year period of time, the Wagon Wheel existed right there.

We had the exact address.

And we could go there.

[Bassy music begins]

And we did. We took a walk.

We find the address of the police department.

So we are going the right way? So it has to be...

I'm telling you what,

it's probably that little red building we were looking at before.

Makes me wonder if maybe there was another building...

[Dana] 123 17th Street...

[Ambulance sirens]

201. It has to be over there.

[Greg] Woah, you know what?

[Dana] There's a church down there. -That little red building in the back

has a door facing this way.

[Dana] 130.

♪♪♪

What's the address there, do you see?

[Greg] It might not be... It might not exist anymore.

[Tyler] Yeah but punch it into GPS and see where it would.

[Dana] One. Zero. One.

It doesn't exist anymore.

It's a parking lot now. -[Dana] It was here.

Here?

Which means if there was a house next to it

they would have torn the house down too.

[Connor] And with the help of a few Ashland locals she talked to online,

my sister Michelle was able to get ahold of a picture of

The Wagon Wheel, that sure enough confirmed its location

right next to the floodwall.

She was also sent some pictures of aerial Sanborn maps and then right

next to it are some small D's, that indicate the possibility of dwellings.

Those maps are seen in the 50's, but in the 60's, the dwellings

aren't marked there.

So it's possible they aren't there anymore and weren't there at the time.

The location of this house remains a mystery.

[Tyler] So this parking lot...

This parking lot is where it would have been, right?

[Dana] Right here.

[Connor] Vacant.

- I mean this is it, right here. - This is it.

[Greg] One of the biggest implications

of the fact that the Wagon Wheel existed there,

and that this hit every checkbox, it was the place...

was that it lended credibility to the idea that Terry Wriste,

whoever he was, was real.

Someone was there. Because they knew all the details.

Terry Wriste is a person. He exists.

Who that person is, is anyone's guess at this point.

We have ideas...

But he was there. He's a real person.

[Dana] You would look in one direction and there's something

that he said was going to be there.

There's the restaurant, here's where Indrid potentially was.

All of those things lined up.

[Greg] And not only did that lend credibility to the idea that

Terry Wriste was not just something someone was making up,

it led credibility to the cipher.

[Karl] There were just a few clues that weren't quite fitting.

We couldn't find record of a church yard,

the cemetery beside a church, right?

We couldn't find record of that. And that kind of bugged me.

But it wasn't until we left that I started thinking about it all,

that I realized we've got all these things that matched,

this is an area right on the tri-state border, as they

mentioned, they saw mothman in Ashland.

The wheel could well be the Wagon Wheel restaurant,

which was right there. There's churches all over

the area, so "all house of God" definitely seems to fit.

We took kind of a leap with "letter", being the old US Post

Office that has been right there for like a hundred years.

But if we want to go further, some of the other ones, we

have "is of the law", the Ashland City Building is right there on

the corner of the same intersection.

But if we want to take a couple of extrapolations here, we don't want

to go too crazy, but perhaps "words and signs"

which is kind of a classic Masonic phrase,

maybe that actually refers to the Masonic Lodge a couple

of blocks away. And "and the dead" might actually not be a graveyard,

it could be referring to the famous Adena burial mounds

that are in the city park in Ashland.

What this tells us was that all of these clues

added up to 112. All of these clues were pulled from "The Book of the Law"

as Greenfield says was how you should use the cipher.

And they almost all pointed towards this area specifically.

The amount of effort alone just to make up a story like this,

is significant. And that is what I find most compelling.

[group gasps] Greg: Oh no!

[Tyler] Unbelievable. It keeps popping up over and over again.

[Laughing] We found photographs in the archives of it.

-I checked an hour ago he still hasn't seen it.

[Greg] We look down and... Parsons.

But we continue to see the name Parsons all over the place.

Parsons pop up in Derenberger's book,

he was the name of the police chief back in the day, in Point Pleasant.

It felt significant. It was a weird synchronicity.

So we're not just... and I don't know if this makes you feel unsettled,

or validated.

But we're not just checking the validity of Indrid Cold.

We're checking the validity of Terry Wriste.

-Terry Wriste... -Right.

-And the details check out.

[Greg] He's someone.

Someone wrote that. He is someone.

[Tyler] There was an eerie point in time

when we were walking down this linear path,

hitting all these pinpoint locations that Wriste seems to have detailed

in his interview.

And I had the sudden realization that we were literally walking

in the footsteps of Terry Wriste.

And it was a chilling thought.

Because it made me think

how much further are those footsteps going to lead?

[Greg] Aside from finding somebody who can literally show us where the house was,

the only other good thing we could get is Terry himself saying,

"Oh, yeah, Ashland was the place."

-Mmhm

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