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I’m Greg Newkirk.

In 2012, I received a panicked email from a man named David Christie.

A man who claimed that small alien creatures were emerging from an

abandoned mineshaft near his rural Kentucky home,

and terrorizing his family.

While initially skeptical of his story, David followed up his emails

with a collection of photographs which showed the three-toed footprints

left by the so-called goblins.

And what he said were even images of the creatures themselves.

Then he disappeared without a trace.

According to David, a man named Terry Wriste had referred him to me.

I had never heard the name before, and the only reference to Terry that

I could find was in the appendix of an occult book titled

"Secret Cipher of the UFOnauts."

In an interview, which discussed his exploits cracking extraterrestrial codes

and infiltrating underground alien cave bases.

Then in 2013, I received a cryptic email from Terry Wriste himself.

The emails contained what appeared to be GPS coordinates,

and a note asking why we stopped investigating David's case

when we were so close to the answers.

Terry never emailed again.

In 2017, spurred on by a flood of synchronicities, filmmaker

Karl Pfeiffer contacted me about the case which had long since gone cold.

Convinced that the story warranted following up,

Karl recruited paranormal investigator Connor Randall,

and along with my wife Dana, a life-long hedgewitch,

we travelled to the heart of the case.

A small mining community by the name of Hellier, Kentucky.

While there, we continued to be bombarded by synchronicities,

and, most unexpectedly, uncanny connections to the

Mothman Case, which transpired in 1967 in Point Pleasant, West Virginia.

In particular, connections to an alien entity who went by the name Indrid Cold.

By the end of our time in Hellier,

it was clear that no one by the name of David Christie had ever lived

in the broader Pike County area.

Yet we left with the feeling that while we'd gone to Eastern Kentucky

in search of goblins,

we'd found something else inside those mountains:

something old;

something asleep;

something

that was already waiting for us to find it.

[flashback whoosh]

[Connor] I just saw like a tin can

it just jumped into my mind.

Why is this here, you know?

Some other force had led us to this. And I didn't know if we

should be following along to whatever this thing wanted us to

be following along to.

[Dana] [gasping] Oh. My. Fucking. God.

Did you hear that?

We sound fucking crazy.

[John Tenney on phone] You will lose your fucking minds.

But maybe it's Terry Wriste who I want to get in touch even more.

Because it sounds like he's the person who instigated the whole thing.

I don't know, maybe you have a place we're supposed to go next.

[Eerie droning]

How's everybody doing tonight?

Everybody good? You're going to be good. You're going to be real good

in about 10 minutes.

We will talk to you guys very soon we'll see you on Saturday night.

- Yay, see you Saturday!

- Adios amigos, thank you for tuning in we'll talk to you very soon.

[email notification ping]

[Tyler] [on phone] - Yeah.

- It was sent to my personal email, at Weird HQ at 9:10 tonight.

- 9:10...

[Dana] Right after we finished our live stream.

- Like literally right after we finished our live stream.

[Tyler] What the fuck, exactly it's pointed. Ok.

- And again, you're going to those coordinates tomorrow, right?

[Tyler] I'm gonna fucking die is what she's saying!

[Laughs]. Yeah, go on.

- It's just the timing is very bizarre.

...wrote back at 3:58 AM.

[Dana] 3:58 AM. - Holy shit.

I don't know.

This is, this is just... unbridled insanity.

[Tyler] Holy shit.

[Distant rumbling]

Helicopter!

Oh my God! Look at this.

Oh shit, they know I'm here.

[Music escalates]

Fuck.

[Whooshes, birds chirping]

[Karl] Honestly I'm a little... the case is a little overwhelming.

To a certain extent.

Because it's gotten to this point--

Season one had some relatively deliberate goals.

And season two now, everything that we've been filming

and researching for the last year.

It's been very similar to that sort of start and stop

situation of the first couple days in Hellier.

Lead, dead end, lead, dead end.

We have so many leads now and so many avenues of research,

but what do we do with them? What do we do with the information

that's gained, if there's even any information gained.

And that's a little bit stressful, in that there's so many avenues

and rabbit holes to go down.

But we don't want to get too far

from what made this case unique, either.

♪ strumming guitar ♪

[Papers shuffling]

[Connor] When Karl tagged me for Hellier, to help out with this,

and I joined this project,

and I think this needs to be stressed,

We literally thought we were going to make maybe an hour, hour and a half

long little documentary about trying to find this guy who saw goblins.

We really thought that it was going to be a cut and dry project.

Instead, what we were given is the largest case of our lives.

It's funny, my focus has shifted.

The paranormal has always been a passion of mine, since my early teenage years,

since I got a job at The Stanley, since I worked on all this ghost work,

then sort of got more interested in aliens, then was asked to help out

with Hellier,

it was always sort of like a side passion though.

Hellier, and the passion that it has sort of struck a chord with me

in this research overall, in the phenomena,

--in paranormal phenomena in general,

has really redirected that for me.

[Droning whoosh]

I think... hmm...

Let me think of the way to word this...

I think more so this year he has kind of perfected

the not allowing something to get too much a part of his everyday life.

So he's gotten really good at like 'this is when I focus on this,

and when I'm not focusing on this I try not to focus too much on it.

Because I think the thing specifically with this case

is that it's so consuming that you could literally sit for hours

and multiple days just

thinking about everything, trying to put everything together.

And I think that he was probably more like that in the beginning,

and I think that over the course of the years that we've sort of been focusing

on this case,

distancing yourself a little bit from it

and kind of giving it the time and not allowing it to take over,

is probably becoming what he's better at.

Whereas, it used to be much different before.

But I think for him now there is that sense of sort of "it's healthier to

keep it as a case, and not something that invades constantly that you're

thinking about all the time.

♪ "Hallelujah" By The Haunted Windchimes

♪ ♪ ♪

[Greg] I think there's a lot of things that make this different than

other mysteries we've come across.

I mean, this is the first time I've ever looked seriously into goblins.

This is the first time I've ever taken the story of Indrid Cold

very seriously.

I think that if anything this story

has led me to examine other paranormal phenomena

that I've been invested in a little bit harder and

a little bit deeper. And maybe look at the idea of

how synchronicity comes to play

in a lot of the other cases that we work on.

One of the things that always

struck me as strange about the case is that when it popped up

it was sent to a group of ghost hunters.

Because we're ghost hunters we're looking at it in a

way that if someone... if a cryptozoologist got that email,

they would look at it purely from a physical standpoint.

Oh, there's strange creatures.

We're looking at it from a completely other perspective.

I mean, we've got people who know things about conspiracies helping

with the team. We've got people who know things about UFO's

helping with the team.

How does psychic phenomena play into it?

How does the contactee visitation play into it?

It's I think de facto the biggest mystery that we've ever worked on.

Because it intersects with everything.

♪ ♪ ♪

[clears throat]

[Mic bump]

Woah!

Oop! Oop!

Again, hit that.

Trying to be silenced!

Trying to be silenced here.

[Connor] I want you to begin by saying how you met Greg and Dana.

The way that I met Greg and Dana was actually in a strange roundabout way.

I actually learned about them through John Tenney

and seeing his connections and trusting those connections.

And it wasn't until I was able to meet up with them,

actually at an event in Michigan, where we kind of hit it off.

I think in a really big way.

And I think we've both seen value in each other.

And it gave me a sense that we wanted to work with each other

and I think we almost met halfway in a lot of ways.

[Greg] I described Tyler a little when he first

synchronistically popped up in the case,

as the most excited dog you've ever met in a black vest.

A black, embroidered, vest.

I think that still holds true.

Tyler, kind of, I mean he's supposed to be a part of the case.

The fact that he synchronistically popped up with all that information.

He was obviously supposed to be there.

Tyler Strand came to this case in a very similar way

that I did. It was synchronicity.

He was invited to the team by a synchronicity that seemed to be so

far outside of himself.

And outside of us, that it seemed important for him to join up.

[Dana] Tyler is... he's like the embodiment of enthusiasm.

Like if you were to take enthusiasm and put it in a little vial,

that's Tyler. He's 100% enthusiastic about it all.

And I think that it's very contagious, which I love.

I think that he's a great researcher and I think that's he has definitely

helped us look at this differently.

Tyler is our recon man.

We send him out places before everybody else goes out

and he looks at all these little, you know, capillaries of the case.

Greg holds onto the more intense things, you know, the arteries per se,

and we all have our little branches.

Tyler looks in detail on the ground.

Not interviewing people, but going to the actual locations

to try to find the physical phenomena.

He's a... he's a force.

[Screams]

Woo!

[Giggles]

[Greg] With the impending release of Hellier happening in less than a month

now, it seemed really important that everyone get together

and just have a general meeting of the minds

to see where we were now a year later.

I mean it's been 14 months since we shot the first season.

And the first season gave us so many threads to chase,

it was interesting because everybody kind of picked their own thread.

And they'd been researching for the past year.

On all of these different avenues.

So basically the first day that everyone was here,

we all gathered in the living room and everybody just went one by one

talking about, okay, this is the thread that I picked, this is what I found out.

And one of my favorite parts about it was there was stuff that

no one had shared with anyone else yet. So we were hearing and seeing

this stuff for the first time.

Seeing everybody with these big thick file folders just full of

really interesting, pertinent information.

It was fascinating to see how much we had gotten

just because of that first trip to Hellier.

[Karl] What a great shot. A "gooblin" looking over Dana's shoulder.

[Greg] You want to know what's funny about that?

This was sent to me by a guy I know online. He's an artist.

No Idea that we were doing an investigation

into the goblins or anything like that.

He just said "Greg, thanks for taking my survey. Given your Kentucky address,

I thought you could appreciate a Kelly-Hopkinsville goblin.

[Tyler] Wow.

-Andy Finkle.

[Connor] So an important factor of what we're going to try to do

throughout the afternoon

is distill information that has come up since we last ended

our filming.

And the last time that I was here, right?

But I think it's important that we first take a step back and

look at everything that happened towards the beginning of our filming.

And sort of see how we would distill this information.

What portions of the case we're ready to cross off and close,

and what portions of the case we want to continue to pursue.

So I have a board for each pillar of the case:

David;

The phenomena;

and Terry Wriste.

David is the easiest one at this point, to cross off.

Um, we've had no continuous contact.

He has disappeared.

One thing that we could do is just retry that email again.

Just shoot a random message.

If he's reactivated it then who knows what that could lead to.

But because we spent days looking for David,

and we didn't find anything,

- The name never even existed in the town

or in the surrounding towns, like the county.

-Right.

-So I think that's an easy one to realize, well,

we're not getting the whole truth. Out of that.

Whether that was just a pseudonym, whether it was

a way to get us to Hellier, I don't know.

But I think that it's an easy one. It's a dead end.

- There was a house that Dana and Greg saw on their very

first trip to Hellier.

In October of 2015, Greg and Dana

went to Hellier for the first time.

They were driving around a bunch of mountain roads,

just trying to find any house that might seem like David's house.

At the time they did not realize how big the sprawl was of that area

in terms of potential places that David could have lived.

And they thought it might be easy to find a house that fit that description.

They did relatively quickly find a house that seemed to fit the description

that David gave.

And they were really excited about it.

They had this kind of vibe that it felt like the place.

Of course, after that, you know. Maybe it was maybe it wasn't.

When we went back there we were trying to find that house,

sort of loosely, to see if maybe there was something we could get from it.

But we also knew that that well might not have been David's house.

Of course, we struggled to find it. We couldn't find that house.

After our expedition to Hellier, Greg sends me all of his video footage.

And I finally get a chance to start looking through it.

And I realize that they actually had footage of the house.

They thought that their battery had died right before it, and completely

forgot that there was footage of the house.

I backtracked with the footage, and I find the exact address

of the house, which I kick over to Connor and his sister.

[Connor] When, Michelle, my sister who has access through her job

to a few different forums and address searches and stuff

put that in, she found the owners of that home.

[Karl] Keep in mind, we're looking for David M. Christie

and we assume that his age is a little higher, 50's, 60's.

The person who owns that house is David M. Parsons.

David M. Parsons.

Which is SO odd, right?

[Greg] So weird.

[Tyler] It's so strange.

[Connor] 68 years old, David M. Parsons.

- So fits the age category as well. - Exactly, exactly.

He lived there in 2012, at that time.

The house looked abandoned now, or at least it did when you saw it.

We could have driven past it last year and not known

because somebody changed everything.

So you have this old guy, David M., who was living there with

a granddaughter at the time.

And that granddaughter would have potentially fit the

description of the little kid who was having a difficult time, etc etc.

The house fits, the homeowners fit, and the name almost fits.

Weirder still, as well, that their last names

are consistent from a Christian / religious background.

Christie, being a derivation of Christ, and Parsons, being like a parson.

A clergyman.

The natural first course of action was first to find him online.

Which we did. We looked at his Facebook profiles,

we looked at everything.

And immediately we sort of realize that the characterization

between the really articulate wording

that your David, that our David has in his emails,

and this guy's Facebook posts, the way that he goes about his life,

are very different.

Um, and that is an immediate concern. Or red flag.

He also didn't appear to be a doctor in any form.

So we have to accept all of that as a very odd

coincidence as of now.

It's clear to us that this guy is not our David.

What's strange about it, are the synchronicities.

It's really hard to research something like this

when there's so many synchronicities.

Because it gets really hard to know what's a connection,

and what's a synchronicity.

The synchronicities are still happening.

I'm very close with my little sister, she knows a lot of the work that I'm

currently doing.

And she has an interest in it. But she had, and then I had

this huge synchronicity bomb drop that I don't know what to do with.

And my grandma and her were doing family ancestry research.

And my grandma's name is Harless.

It is from a very interesting last name, she knows that it's a family name.

And they come to find out that my-- her great-great grandpa,

my great-great-great grandpa,

was a man by the name of Joseph Harless.

Who it just so happens was one of the first settlers and owned a

whole bunch of land in the area that would become none other

than Pikeville, Kentucky.

He was there when Pikeville was created.

So he was out there, my relatives. When we were in Pikeville

walking around, and in Pike county in general,

we were walking in the footsteps of my direct ancestors.

Joseph Harless.

Harless Creek runs through that whole Pike County.

It's possible that the goblin photos, the footprints, were taken in

Harless Creek, I mean that's entirely possible.

It's right in that area and loops around.

What we're starting to realize is that it's possible that

synchronicities aren't necessarily a lead to follow this.

But it could just be noise that is a side effect of looking into

this phenomena in the first place.

So we're trying to really distill what's hard research and leads that we can follow

and synchronicities that just happen because of the nature of looking into this

so in order to keep yourself grounded, you have to always go back to the linchpin.

Or in this case, the two linchpins. In my mind.

And that's David and Terry.

So one of the first things we did, it's been a year now,

since we shot the first season of Hellier.

And one of the first things we wanted to see was, did we ruffle any feathers.

Did we get some people worked up?

So one of the first things we wanted to do was to check and see

if any of those emails, any of those email addresses that were inactive

have become active again.

Um, so do you want to try emailing David and Terry?

[Connor] Update? -Just, update?

Are you alive? [Connor laughs]

Do you exist?

Ready?

-Yeah.

-Message sent.

[sighs] Ok.

Well let's see...

David bounced.

David is gone.

Message not delivered.

Subject: ACBTF I am still in search of the ink and black we have closed

the door we are looking at windows. Are you willing to help?

I think that's straight to the point. [Karl] Yeah.

-Greg Newkirk.

-Yeah.

[Karl] Bombs away.

[Connor] It didn't... it didn't bounce. Yet.

[Karl] Refresh it.

-It didn't bounce.

-It's an active email address? -Let's give it five minutes.

Let's give it like five minutes. Because sometimes I've

sent big emails to people and it's taken a while.

[Greg] Um let's check the sent...

-It sent through just fine. -20 minutes ago.

-20 minutes ago!

-How many times have you attempted this? Twice?

-Twice now.

Two other times. The last time was when you guys were here.

[Connor] Geez.

-So it would have been a year ago.

-That's intriguing and also... -I'm trying not to get too excited.

-freaky.

-So what do we do? Do we just wait? [Karl] Now we wait.

[Connor] Keep your phone close. [Karl] Keep the camera in hand

and a phone close.

-Ugh. Actually it makes me a little nervous.

-Ugh!

We've not gotten an email back. But the implications of that address being active

are pretty huge.

Because it probably means that

he's preparing to use it.

That name, "Hellier", was still secret at the time we were sending these emails.

But we had released one little teaser.

For this project.

So I immediately wondered, everybody did.

If Terry Wriste had seen the little teaser

that we had released about this goblins case documentary.

And then reactivated the email.

Which would in turn mean, that he is somebody who actively follows

Greg, or Dana, on social media.

So if Wriste is one of your Facebook friends, if it's somebody that

you know he could have seen that teaser and hopped it back up.

- Well. Greenfield.

I'm Facebook friends with Greenfield.

And putting on our suspicious caps,

we have to think "who could have possibly seen this teaser

and reactivated the email?" And who is friends with Greg on Facebook?

Allen Greenfield.

So, Allen Greenfield being Terry Wriste

is a possibility that we need to consider.

Allen Greenfield is the author of

"Secret Cipher of the UFOnauts"

It's in that book we see the only reference to Terry Wriste

that we can find.

We have to imagine that

it's possible Terry Wriste is a made-up character.

Finding out the truth of the matter and talking

to Allen Greenfield is going to be key.

[Tyler] I guess the one other thing with crossing David off

the list, the reason, another reason

I feel that's the easiest move,

is because when you look at the whole tale of David contacting Greg

and Dana

it seems there is always the underlying element of Wriste

having been the one to contact him

and give him that information.

So I feel like in a big way,

What little loose ends we have with David could be covered

by looking into one of these bigger elements.

Which will be Wriste.

[Connor] Who is Terry Wriste?

That's what I want to know more than anything else

going forward. Because he is the crux of everything.

That is the deepest mystery of it all. Is where

did this information come from?

The very first two sentences of the David email:

"My name is David Christie. I was given your contact information

through a mutual friend of ours, Terry Wriste.

The last nine months have been..."

You know, and that's the thesis of everything.

The case started with that.

And continued through this individual and the interview,

and the emails that he sent to you.

When it comes to this case, Terry is very much a linchpin in everything.

And we have a ton of questions about Terry.

Who he is, whether he was even real.

Before we really dove in to Wriste as an individual,

first I wanted to really exhaust and learn everything I could

about Indrid Cold.

Indrid Cold is our wildcard.

As we discovered last September on the way to Hellier,

the strange cryptic email that Greg received from Terry Wriste

was an email in code,

that basically said Indrid Cold is still here on earth.

[Karl] So now the email says

"Hellier was just a symptom.

The ink and the black are isolated still and third order is MIA.

He's saying Indrid Cold is still isolated and that the third order still hasn't

reached out to save Indrid Cold from the evil greys and shit.

Like, that's what that means.

What's odd is that Indrid Cold is known from a book called

"The Mothman Prophecies" by John Keel.

Which covers a case of high strangeness in the late 1960's.

A large portion in my mind of everything involving

Terry Wriste also involves Indrid Cold.

You have to take into account

how much we were pointed in the direction of Indrid Cold throughout

our entire case research.

I don't think the root of it all are these undiscovered cave creatures.

I think the root of it all are these beings, these ultraterrestrials.

There was some stuff that we missed in Season One.

Woodrow Derenberger released a book about his experiences with Indrid Cold.

And his visits with Indrid Cold to the planet Lanulos,

it's called "Visitors from Lanulos."

A lot of people know about the Indrid Cold story, and the initial encounter.

Not a lot of people read that book

that he wrote later.

And not a lot of people realize that Woody also talks about

Indrid Cold's family and crew.

What we didn't recognize is the crew's names.

One name in particular.

When we were sitting there doing

the Estes Method on a porch in Kentucky,

there was a name that came up over and over again in the session.

And that is "Karl."

[in session] Karl breathe.

Karl... wasn't... listening.

You... can ... Karl

Karl

There's... Karl... four

We thought that he was talking

to Karl. Literally sitting there on the porch.

What we didn't realize was that Indrid Cold's

first mate, best man, his name... is Karl Ardo.

spelled the same way.

So we have to now look at the entirety of the

transcript. If we do legitimately

accept the possibility that we were

in contact with the larger

phenomena for those minutes in Kentucky,

maybe it was directly talking back.

So now we need to flip through this,

won't take too long,

And try to see if we might have missed anything.

[Greg] I mean immediately

even reading it, it feels more important.

There's a direct answer, I think you're almost at the same spot we are

'Do you know who sent us here?' 'Karl'

[Greg] Do you know who sent us here?

- Karl... move...

"Indrid Cold, what happened who's there. Where is Indrid Cold?"

It's you, Karl. Speak to Connor.

[Dana] Where is Indrid Cold? In a holler?

- It's you... Karl... speak... to Connor...

Now that's the secondary interesting part. Is that Indrid Cold's son,

as we learned from Woodrow, his name is Coner. Coner Cold.

So it's as if we're...

[Greg] Like... the two of them are there. - It kind of feels like that.

And again, we don't want to make a stretch, but

the fact that the two names that appeared. And other names did not come across,

except for Eddie, but he's our ghost sometimes he just shows up sometimes--

but there's two names that come across. Karl is literally said more than

any other word.

But they might not have been talking about me and Karl.

They might have been talking about Indrid Cold's crewmates,

Coner and Karl.

- Well that synchronicity in and of itself, the fact that

Indrid Cold has become such a big part of this case,

and that brought us to "Karl" and "Coner",

Karl and Connor, it's just weird, it's stuff like that like the

David M.

- We notice at the very end of the session

the last thing I said before I saw the tin can, right,

was this conversation about a UFO flap

"encompass Stillwater Bridge."

Can you help us find Indrid Cold's house?

- I'm on... hidden... flap...

[Greg] Like a UFO flap?

- Encompass...

[Dana] Encompass... [Karl] What's it encompassing?

- Stillwater...

[Greg] Still water.

[Karl] It's encompassing still water?

- Bridge...

[Greg] Stillwater is the name of a town.

[Karl] And a bridge? Stillwater Bridge?

[Connor] After that, we found out that there is a Stillwater Bridge

in Stillwater, Minnesota.

And he went there.

[Tyler] As it turns out, Stillwater Bridge was a

location that was only 3 or 4 hours from my hometown.

I didn't know what to make of it, at first,

because this whole trip stemmed from the off chance

that perhaps this was where Indrid Cold was staying.

And immediately on my drive when I arrived in Stillwater,

it became apparently clear that

it was eerily similar to Point Pleasant, West Virginia.

Immediately the things you would see that resonated,

like Point Pleasant, were this giant power plant factory

off in the distance along this river.

Next to this bridge, the Stillwater Bridge, was closed

because the bridge was unstable.

It was reviewed and shown to be unsafe.

So that alone is already giving me this feeling, you think

about the Silver Bridge collapse.

And what made things even stranger is walking over

to that bridge, you see this big metal statue.

So when you're in downtown Stillwater, Minnesota,

of course there's going to be a giant insect statue,

just like the mothman. [laughs]

And it was the strangest nod to Point Pleasant.

Where instead of a big mothman, metal mothman statue

you have this big metal butterfly that's kind of arced up in the same way

with its wings.

And you have your bridge, you have your power plant.

There was no activity on it, and I walked this place over and over

and over again. Waiting, looking for people, looking for strange faces,

and there seemed to be nothing.

There seemed to be nothing there.

And I understood at the time that it really was a shot in the dark.

But it was still frustrating because of how

pointed everything seemed to be.

I don't know what to tell you.

There's nothing here.

I'm feeling defeated. I know this is the nature

of the beast, so to speak.

[Karl] So Stillwater was brought up in the Estes session like two minutes

before Connor mentions the tin can.

So what we realized at the end of our last trek, the expedition and all that,

in Season one,

that there was a tin can sighting

Keel mentions in "The Mothman Prophecies."

I'm going back through and I shoot the interview for Season One,

I don't know what experience Keel was referencing,

I'm sure if you read enough of his works there's probably some

obscure story about a tin can that somebody saw that was

floating around a building.

And that next night I'm sitting there editing my interview

footage to put at the end of the episode.

And I look down, and on my desk next to me

is "Flying Saucer to the Center of Your Mind"

and I'm like... synchronicities, what the hell.

I'll give it a shot. And I open the book, and I open the book,

and I look down,

and right there on the page that I opened to was the story

of the tin can sighting that Keel referenced in "Mothman."

It was so weird, that like, I don't think I even appreciated

how weird it was because it just was like 'well that just happened.'

But just to talk about, is like I wouldn't believe myself telling this story

if I was listening to it. But I literally just cracked it open.

Radio announces James Townsend of station KEYL in Long Prairie,

Minnesota, claimed he saw three animated tin cans, six inches high

around a rocket shaped device in the center of Highway 27 on October 23, 1965.

That spot, Long Prairie Minnesota, is an hour and some odd minutes

from Stillwater.

And the tin can was seen like a minute or two later in the Estes session.

Right after you said Stillwater Bridge.

[Connor] So there's a few key things on our to do list right now in this case.

We need to learn everything we can about Terry Wriste.

To try to figure out who he is that led Greg on this chase.

Part of that, is going to be talking to Allen Greenfield.

Any insight that Allen Greenfield has for us, and trying to figure out

if he is Terry.

Speaking of Terry, we need to look at those coordinate points.

What is at those numbers that Terry sent to Greg?

And we need to do our best guess at figuring out what is doing this to us,

is it a person?

Is it something paranormal?

And if it involves the cave systems, we need to get in the caves

and see if we can meet that phenomena ourselves.

And we need to follow up on some pretty big news that I learned

about a player in this case.

Because I learned something pretty major

about Indrid Cold.

I spent a fair amount of time researching Woodrow Derenberger.

The question was proposed to John Keel himself in this book.

Andy Colvin has collected articles and newspaper journals and stuff

that John Keel has written.

He straight up asks one of the random interviews, in this

big long interview that he has with Keel,

"Do you feel that the Indrid Cold story is bogus?"

Point blank to John Keel.

And Keel responds:

"Yes. But, I think his original story had some substance to it...

[Keel] Because he was scared enough to go to the police.

And nobody is going to go to the police with a bogus story.

Derenberger was another complex character.

He was a pathological liar to put it simply.

And his daughter called me, a couple of years ago

and she was very upset that some TV show had done something

about him.

And he had given the whole thing up in his 70's or 80's

and moved to Ohio.

And people were always writing to me. They wanted to contact

Derenberger because they wanted to contact Indrid Cold.

Indrid Cold became a real entity to them.

[Connor] "Indrid Cold became a real entity to them."

As he is a real entity to a lot of people out there.

And then we find out about the story continuing through

Taunia, Derenberger's daughter.

Taunia Derenberger wrote a book a few years ago called

"Beyond Lanulos: Our Fifty Years with Indrid Cold."

So I read that book. You read it, and it's honestly a very

endearing tale about this nice alien.

And at this point, if we accept that this is fact I think there's something

to say here. And that's that

Indrid Cold... is dead.

According to somebody who might actually know.

[Tyler] What?

So Taunia Derenberger, she said a statement on Facebook

on September 18th, 2018.

"I just received two visitors carrying some devastating news.

Indrid Cold, age 92, Demo Hassan, and Karl Ardo died today.

When I have more information I will pass it along.

Obit posted soon.

[Tyler] What?! What the fuck.

♪ "Oh Death" By Adam Moore