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This programme contains some strong language.
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# Something happened on the day he died
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# Spirit rose a metre and stepped aside
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# Somebody else took his place
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# And bravely cried... #
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Always remember that the reason that you initially started working
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was that there was something inside yourself that you felt
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that if you could manifest it in some way,
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you would understand more about yourself
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and how you coexist with the rest of society.
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# How many times does an angel fall?
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# How many people lie instead of talking tall?... #
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People have either really accepted what I do or they absolutely
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sort of push it away from them. I guess that's what I am, you know?
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But I would love to feel that what I did
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actually changed the fabric of music.
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Even though I seem to superficially change such a lot,
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a style does come through.
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By virtue of the fact that I'm getting older,
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it's given me quite a scope on what I can draw from
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within my own catalogue of albums.
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# Look up here
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# I'm in heaven
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# I've got scars that can't be seen... #
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Hello, hello, hello!
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# It's your lucky day!... #
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# Where are we now? Where are we now?... #
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I think that David's music is totally autobiographical.
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He's telling you everything if you just know what to look for.
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# The moment you know You know, you know... #
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He was a kind of provocateur.
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# Where in the fuck did Monday go? #
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He offered an alternative to people.
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And that, to me, is a great artist, you know,
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someone who can offer that for generations to come.
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This is one human being who has single-handedly changed
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basically the course of my life.
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And you can't say that about most people.
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# Loving the alien... #
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# Watch that man
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# Oh, honey, watch that man... #
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# Blue, blue, electric blue That's the colour of my room... #
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# I'm looking for a vehicle I'm looking for a ride
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# I'm looking for a party I'm looking for a side... #
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# We can be heroes
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# Just for one day. #
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CHEERING
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I had this poetic, romantic, kind of juvenile idea
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that I would be dead by 30.
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Suddenly you're 30 and you're 40, then you're 50 and 57 and all that,
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and it's a new land, you know, I pioneer.
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# You've got your mother in a whirl
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# She's not sure if you're a boy or girl
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# Hey, baby, your hair's all right
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# Hey, baby, let's stay out tonight... #
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- It's a big tour you're starting, isn't it?
- Yes, it's going to go on
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for months and months, but I think we're up for it.
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How do you feel right now?
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Pretty relaxed, you know.
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I enjoy the songs a lot, so I'm going to have a good time.
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I'm going to be honest with you,
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the happiest I've ever seen that man
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in 42 years that I've spent
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on and off with him, was that tour.
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I'd never seen him like that before.
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- You!
- # Rebel, rebel
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# You've torn your dress
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- # Rebel, rebel
- Your face is a mess
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- # Rebel, rebel
- How could they know?
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- # Hot tramp, I love you so... #
- You bet!
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At a certain time in your life, you get to a point where
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you do feel freer and you don't
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really care what people think
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and you can be yourself
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and you can laugh at things
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and you can not take things maybe so seriously.
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# Hey, baby, let's stay out tonight... #
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When it came to the Reality tour
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I think he had decided that he was going to take down
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that kind of screen, if you like, and be David Bowie.
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Not in a cheesy way,
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but he allowed more access to himself.
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On guitar, from Dublin, fair city, Gerry Leonard.
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CHEERING
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Actually, he's from Tunbridge Wells,
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but it always gets a good applause when I say that.
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I'm not really very keen to put on much of a theatrical show, you know,
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in terms of big sets and elephants and fireworks and things like that.
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But of course, it doesn't mean that I won't go back on my word
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because that's part and parcel of what I do for you.
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It's part of my entertaining factor, is lying to you.
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His sense of humour was on.
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He always had one anyway,
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but publicly he didn't show it as much, you know what I mean?
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There was that serious artist thing going on, you know,
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during some of the tours.
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The Reality tour wasn't like that because there were some nights
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I was falling down laughing at some of the shit
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that he would say or do or that happened.
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These must be albums that nobody ever bought,
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- so they're going real cheap.
- Did you see the guy last night?
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They've got Lodger and Tin Machine... That figures.
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We're that some truck stop up in Montana
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and I'm at...you know those machines
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that you never win at, or you put in the quarter
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and then the claw comes down and picks up the stuffed animal?
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THEY CHEER
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I do it and I actually get the thing out.
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And it's the two of us,
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it's this competition of who's going to get the stuffed animal.
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I think it's a kind of a 50-50 thing. So I'll take that one.
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That's just not the David that I had known in earlier years.
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That's brilliant.
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Some of the fun and games that were going on,
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I think that really was who he was, you know.
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There you go.
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The real David was the one that you saw
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at the time of the Reality tour.
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He was always funny, he always had a funny sense of humour.
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He was always joking about things.
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De-de-de-de-de!
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LAUGHTER
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There was a sense that David looked
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as young and as youthful as ever on that tour.
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It did seem like he had the gift from the gods, you know,
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that he was never going to get old.
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# Never ever gonna get old. #
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It's a lie, but it's only a little lie.
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He looked so good and youthful at the same time.
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And one night I said,
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"You look really good in that suit."
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And for some reason, the way I said it,
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he said, "I'm happily married."
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So I didn't realise how I was saying that, but, yeah,
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he just looked great...
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all the time.
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# Billy rapped all night about his suicide
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# How he'd kick it in the head when he was 25
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# Just speed jive
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# Don't want to stay alive when you're 25... #
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Playing All The Young Dudes, that's just such an anthem, really,
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in a way, it was almost like church, you know,
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when you really do feel like you have this congregation of people
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and everyone's singing and the whole place is swinging.
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# All the young dudes... #
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Yeah, you at the back.
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# Carry the news... #
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In the St George T-shirt.
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# Carry the news... #
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It was just an incredible connection to the audience, I think,
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for that show, for pretty much the whole show.
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# Carry the news... #
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He just got into tunnel vision,
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like he was going to make this not just successful,
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but just be prepared to play it
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because there was a lot of music every night.
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We were doing two-and-a-half-hour sets.
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And, you know, you have to really be physically capable to handle that.
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Going on tour excited him very much,
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but he said to me, flat out, "I'm tired."
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So I think he fulfilled all his wishes and dreams
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and maybe he got a little oversaturated in touring.
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We got to Prague, and then during the show,
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David was sweating profusely
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and unable to sing.
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And then he started to hunch over.
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He looked over, and I looked over at him,
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and I went, "There's something really wrong."
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And I signalled to his floor manager
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and I went, "Boy, you're not OK."
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The security person ran out and took him off the stage,
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just took him away.
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It was a little mysterious to everybody as to what it might be
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because it really did come out of the blue.
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I was just thinking, OK, he's seen the doctor,
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maybe they've given him a shot or whatever.
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Then we got ready to go to the Hurricane Festival.
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We leave this one for you, for me, for my band, for all our families.
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Thanks very much.
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We played the entire set and it seemed, you know, normal,
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not quite as energetic,
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and as charged as the performances before.
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# But I'll drink all the time
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# Cos we're lovers
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# That is a fact
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# Yes, we're lovers... #
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We finished the show...
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..and then it seemed like David was in a lot of pain,
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and obviously something was wrong.
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They sent an ambulance and took him away.
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We went back in the vans with the band
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and he went off in an ambulance that night.
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I think we were told that he'd had a mild heart attack
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and that his life wasn't in danger,
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but that was it, we were going home.
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He said he wasn't going to work for a while
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and he wasn't sure if you'd ever record again or tour again.
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He just wanted to take time off.
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CAR HORNS BLARE
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I think any kind of unexpected thing like a heart attack,
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it makes you re-evaluate things, but I never thought he'd stop working.
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We would exchange e-mails about things that were interesting
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to each or relevant, but it wasn't a lot of contact.
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It's hard to figure out David, you know,
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and I stopped trying to figure him out.
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Just hoped the phone would ring or get an e-mail from him.
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And I did.
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BAND REHEARSE
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Having not heard from him for a while, I suddenly got an e-mail
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to see if I was available to come and play on the album.
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I received then an e-mail from the management about the fact
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that IF I was going to do this, it would have to be secret.
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And if I said anything about it, I would be in big trouble...legally.
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I got an e-mail really out of the blue from David.
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Do you want to come and work on some new songs for a week?
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PS, keep shtoom.
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Once we got to the studio,
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one of the first things he did
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was hand out NDAs to everybody,
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these papers to sign.
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It was the first time
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I'd ever been asked to do something like that for him.
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The hours were very short compared to normal.
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By six o'clock that was it, no matter what.
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And some days even earlier than that.
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That was not the David Bowie that I ever worked with before,
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ever, I'd never seen that.
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He would go in there and stay there until he was spent or done.
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But this was like, "I'm leaving, six o'clock. See ya."
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He really wanted no pressure on him to release an album.
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There was no press release saying expect a Bowie album on this date.
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This way, he could finish every song to perfection.
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I'm much more interested in the process of life
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and what is it that we're uncovering with our every move.
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The celebrity side of it, I couldn't give a sausage.
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# The stars are never sleeping
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# Ooh-hoo-ooh-hoo, ooh-hoo-ooh-hoo
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# Dead ones and the living
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# We live closer to the Earth
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# Never to the heavens
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# The stars are never far away
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# Stars are out tonight... #
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- WOMANS VOICE:
- David.
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David, give me a wave.
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The Stars (Are Out Tonight), the song,
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is about David's attitude towards celebrities.
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He's had a good dose of other people's celebrity,
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which he found distasteful.
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He had different things on his mind he'd been ruminating over
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and it was all coming out now,
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it was like he was birthing this stuff.
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He was trying a lot of things,
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he had to flex his muscles to get back in shape,
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like a runner or an athlete, that's what he had to do.
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You know, we just would throw these songs at the musicians,
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they'd never heard them before.
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So we have David Torn on this track.
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For instance, the intro, if I play David Torn...
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MUSIC TRACK ALTERNATES WITH GUITAR
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That's his role in this, you know.
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I had this loop, something like this, going.
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Which sounded like this.
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And I was moving it in and out while the line was happening.
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And I remember also that he was changing his vocal
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over the chords to create different sections,
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so we kind of have the idea to put some little different guitar riffs
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to kind of signify the changes over there.
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I put Torn and Leonard together. Torn and Leonard.
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Very complementary.
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OK.
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It's almost a Motown kind of thing.
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- I don't know where that kind of comes from.
- Very Motown-y, yeah.
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# Sugar pie, honey bunch... #
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But he never said anything about doing that.
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- That's right.
- We kind of assumed.
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If you've got a smile, you're going in the right direction.
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If you get that kind of like...
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he's like, "No, I wasn't thinking that at all."
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And it made me think of another song which is a David song,
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which was China Girl.
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David would come to the studio with pages full of lyrics
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and start scratching them out.
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Up until the last minute, he would keep revising.
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And sometimes he would come in and just re-sing one line.
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Stars (Are Out Tonight),
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I think that's one of my favourite songs on the record, actually.
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I think that song was, for lack of a better word, a good piss take...
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in a way...
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on what fame has become, which is this out-of-control machine.
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You know, David had great, grand ideas.
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To become well-known, famous, was for him, initially,
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was to have the resources to realise what his ideas were.
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He really does come from that spirit.
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He just didn't want to be famous per se.
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I just wanted to make a really big name for myself.
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I wanted to make a mark.
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# Just look through your window
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# Look who sits outside... #
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David had quite an edgy personality. He was intrigued by edgy stuff.
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He wanted to do many things,
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he loved the idea of theatre, he loved the idea of acting,
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he loved the idea of working with actors.
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# Oh, beautiful baby and my heart's aflame
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# I'll love you till Tuesday
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# My head's in a whirl and I'll love you till Tuesday... #
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He loved the idea of working with musicians.
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Being one himself, he always was looking right and left
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or over his shoulder at what might be
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or, "What could I do next?"
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It took me all the '60s to try everything I could think of
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to find out exactly what it was I wanted to do anyway.
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But just about the end of the '60s, it just started to come together.
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# Strange games they would play then
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# No death for the perfect men
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# Life rolls into one for them
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# So softly, a super god
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# Cries... #
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Through circumstances,
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I'd run into a drummer, called John Cambridge, and Tony Visconti
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and Mick Ronson, and we put together a band called Hype.
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It was probably my first costume band.
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As far as I'm aware, that was the very first so-called glam rock gig.
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# ..No flesh, no power to... #
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Hype was very important to David's development.
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This was the only way he could see, at that time,
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that he could be famous, become famous and become well-known.
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And it wasn't quite the right incarnation
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because he was not yet dyeing his hair orange
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and he hadn't taken on the Ziggy persona yet.
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# And he was all right
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# The band was all together
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# Yes, he was all right
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# The song went on for ever
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# And he was awful nice
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# Really quite out of sight
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# And he sang all night
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# All night long
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# Oh, how I sighed
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# When they asked if I knew his name... #
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The real characterisation really didn't kick in till the Ziggy.
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I mean, I was always quite a shy kid.
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And I didn't come alive on stage, I just got even shier.
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But I found I didn't get so shy if I adopted a character.
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So it was a convenience,
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as well as a very bright theatrical idea.
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# Didn't know what time it was The lights were low
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# I leaned back on my radio
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# Some cat was laying down some get-it-on rock and roll, he said
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# Then the loud sound did seem to fade
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# It came back like a slow voice on a wave of phase
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# That was no DJ That was hazy cosmic jive
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# There's a starman
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# Waiting in the sky
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# He'd like to come and meet us
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# But he thinks he'd blow our minds
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# There's a starman
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# Waiting in the sky
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# He told us not to blow it
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# Cos he knows it's all worthwhile
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# He told me Let the children use it
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# Let the children lose it
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# Let all the children boogie... #
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- Have you always wanted to be a star?
- Yeah.
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It's more than being a star.
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What it is really is that I want to be productive.
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I'm not content to be just a rock and roll star all my life.
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I am trying to be one at the moment
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because I need it for a particular reason
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so that I can get off and do other things.
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# There's a starman
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# Waiting in the sky
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# He told us not to blow it
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# Cos he knows it's all worthwhile
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# He told me Let the children use it
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# Let the children lose it
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# Let all the children boogie... #
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You could feel that David wanted to be the greatest artist
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and the next Elvis Presley.
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You could feel it from every pore of his body.
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He would bring me up to his suite
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and we would watch
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Elvis Presley videos and Frank Sinatra
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and we'd have discussions about it
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and he would do certain moves and "Does this seem right and natural?"
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I mean, he was interested to look at those people
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and set such icons as his goals.
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Oh, yes, David wanted to be famous, David wanted to be an icon,
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like he is now. He was saying things to me like,
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"You have to be someone that
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"thousands and millions of people
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"want to listen to and believe in."
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But he once said, too,
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that being super-successful was like living in a goldfish bowl.
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And it was for him because people became totally obsessed with him.
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# Fame makes a man take things over... #
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You know that feeling you get in a car when someone's accelerating
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very fast and you're not driving and you get that thing in your chest
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when you're being forced backwards and think, oh,
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and you're not sure whether you like it or not.
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It's that kind of feeling. That's what success was like.
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The first thrust of being totally unknown
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to being what seemed to be very quickly known.
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It was very frightening for me.
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# Fame puts you there where things are hollow... #
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I'm not sure if he can handle it consistently
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because it is a demanding mistress
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that doesn't take no for an answer
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and is on call 24 hours.
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So it makes you a bit more paranoid than you used to, doesn't it?
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And now we are being looked upon as we have to deliver something.
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The minute you go outside - let me look a certain way, I'm famous now.
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# Fame
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# What you need is in the limo
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- # Fame
- What you get is no tomorrow
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# Fame
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# What you need you have to borrow
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- # Fame
- Fame
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- # Fame
- "Mine, it's mine!"
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# It's just his line to bind you to trying
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# Crime... #
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This rock star thing,
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you once described it as being a dreadful existence.
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In a sort of very luxuriant mental hospital...
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..where you're sort of put in a padded room...
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..and meals are brought to you
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and the only time you're let out on your lead is when you're supposed to
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go and earn money for just about everybody else except yourself.
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# Is it any wonder I reject you first?
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# Fame, fame, fame, fame, fame
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# Is it any wonder You're far too cool to fool?
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# Fame... #
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Did David enjoyed being a star? I would say what he said to me.
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It's great when you want to get tickets for a concert,
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when you want to get backstage and see your friends
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or if you want a good table at a restaurant.
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But the rest of the time it's a pain in the ass.
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And I think that's pretty much a verbatim quote.
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I watched him deal with it too many times.
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That was his view on it.
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- I think we did...
- I find this an incredible intrusion.
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Fuck off!
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- You know that's the only bit we're going to use, don't you?
- Yeah.
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THEY LAUGH I know when to pick me lines.
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Yeah, that's better.
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Once he experienced the fame, and all that comes with that,
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I think he was done with it.
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He was done with it.
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And I think he realised he'd made a deal with the devil
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and it would be the rest of his life trying to undo that.
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Happy hump today, Phil.
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- I didn't get humped. You?
- Yeah.
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Some people, huh? They just get lost.
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Well, it's more exciting than anything we've got around here.
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I wouldn't say that.
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We have a nice life.
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We have a nice life.
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The idea that he had for The Stars (Are Out Tonight) video
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was that there were celebrities
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that were stalking normal people to study them.
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And then he whipped out the photograph of Tilda Swinton.
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And I was like, OK, that's fantastic,
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you know, him and Tilda were to play "the normal couple".
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David really wanted to play up the androgyny card because,
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you know, he is the androgynous being that we've grown up with.
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So I cast boys in the girls' parts and girls in the boys' parts.
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At that stage, I think he was able to definitely sit back
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and reflect on what fame meant.
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And I think that song, in a way, is kind of like
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stars are never sleeping, you can't escape it.
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# They know just what we do
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# That we toss and turn at night
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# They're waiting to make their moves
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# For the stars are out tonight
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# Tonight. #
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Eventually, the celebrities, they are in their home.
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And when they come into the home, there's a transfer that happens.
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And now, the normal people are dressed like celebrities,
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and the celebrities have succeeded in becoming the normal people.
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You know, as an artist, you collect things,
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and he's had years of not having to put things out,
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so he's collecting things.
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He wants to, sort of, hold up a mirror and say,
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"Hey, look at this over here, look at this over here."
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You know, "Comment on it, but make it, you know... In an artistic way."
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# The stars are out tonight, yeah. #
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- 'Do you ever look back'?
- 'Er...
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'Only with fond amusement, you know,
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'cos I've done such a lot of work in 40 years.
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'It's only recently that maybe I've started to write
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'in a kind of autobiographical way,
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'and this may be something to do with age,
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'and the way that one matures.'
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HE PLAYS INTRO
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And then...
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HE PLAYS A CHORD
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'I don't recall David on the sessions
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'really talking a lot about being old.'
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I think maybe he would joke that he would wear his slippers, you know?
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He had his slippers brought down, and he'd pop his slippers...
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You know, when he got to the studio, he'd pop his slippers on.
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We'd made a few jokes about that.
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# Where are we now? Where are we now?... #
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So, David came in with a piano demo.
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PIANO MUSIC PLAYS
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This is the DB piano - David Bowie piano.
506
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,200
It's got a combination of piano and strings on the patch.
507
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,040
I couldn't take the strings off,
508
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,320
so those strings are him playing at home.
509
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,240
We found this kind of atmosphere in the demo.
510
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:20,800
The next time we played that
511
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,840
was when we went in the studio, and Zach was there.
512
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,360
I should add the drums in here.
513
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,560
DRUMBEAT STARTS
514
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,880
David's instruction, I remember specifically, was...
515
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,480
- IN TIME WITH RHYTHM:
- "One."
516
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:36,760
Yeah.
517
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:37,800
"One."
518
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,800
He just said, "Emphasise the 'one'."
519
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:40,840
So...
520
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,880
HE PLAYS SONG RHYTHM
521
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,000
If I add David, it's practically it.
522
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,120
PIANO PLAYS
523
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,160
It's...
524
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:04,480
# Where are we now? Where are we now?
525
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:16,480
# The moment you know You know, you know... #
526
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,240
Out of the blue, he called me up,
527
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,160
and said he'd like to talk to me about something.
528
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,160
He explained the situation,
529
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,320
that he had been secretly working on this track,
530
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,880
And I was, like, "Oh, that's fantastic," you know?
531
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,240
"What do I have to do with it?"
532
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,160
And he goes, "Well, I'd like you to make the video for that."
533
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,440
"Oh, that's quite a task."
534
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,240
You know, and I was thinking, this big-budget video, you know,
535
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,960
and I was thinking, "I have to do this justice, you know,
536
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,160
"it has to be this momentous video that's going to break
537
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,800
"the silence of all these years," you know?
538
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:51,920
And David said,
539
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,880
"No, I want to do it, like, in your studio,
540
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,800
"it'll be these figures - very simple, rough."
541
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,520
These figures were something I was making fairly exclusively,
542
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,400
and did a number of exhibitions of them,
543
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,920
and David, of course, loved these figures, you know?
544
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,280
# Just walking the dead... #
545
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,680
I did a rough sketch, and I was like,
546
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,480
"This is what you have in mind, right?
547
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:29,680
"This rough-hewn, stretched face, you know? It's not very flattering."
548
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,200
But that's exactly what he wanted -
549
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:37,760
to look, actually, beyond what the years had done to him.
550
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,160
It's a strange, you know... Through the...
551
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:41,800
Here he is leaving.
552
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,080
He's had enough!
553
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,880
HE LAUGHS
554
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,640
He's like, "Stop going on about my face!"
555
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,240
# Where are we now?... #
556
00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:59,040
So, the idea was that he wanted all this stuff in the studio situation,
557
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,080
and we kind of arranged things around,
558
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,880
and we talked about transparency and reflection,
559
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:10,040
and as this was coming together, I said to him, "You know...
560
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,720
"..people can read into every part of this."
561
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:45,160
This one is perhaps the most deliberately nostalgic
562
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,960
look into his past, and...
563
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,720
- ..you know, he's talking about all the old places...
- Yeah.
564
00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:55,080
..he frequented in Berlin, and it's deliberately sad.
565
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:59,400
He's in the latter part of his life. Those days are gone, you know?
566
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,240
Berlin was the first freedom I'd had
567
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:12,480
from all the so-called trappings of celebrity, and, er...
568
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,120
And my own problems.
569
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,640
Really, I'm quite fond of that freedom that it gave me.
570
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,200
I put myself in a very anonymous situation,
571
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,840
in a quite working-class part of Berlin, Turkish area,
572
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,880
and started to live a different life,
573
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,080
and I tried to distance myself from the very drug-oriented lifestyle
574
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,240
that I'd been leading.
575
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:36,680
# Had to get the train
576
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,960
# From Potsdamer Platz... #
577
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,200
It was just a tremendous place to be.
578
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,320
And the music was some of the most rewarding
579
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,960
for me as an artist in my life.
580
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:50,880
# I
581
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,200
# I will be king
582
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,320
# And you
583
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,960
# You will be queen
584
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:07,880
# Though nothing
585
00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:12,360
# Will drive them away
586
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,680
# We can beat them
587
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,720
# For ever and ever
588
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,640
# We can be heroes
589
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,680
# Just for one day
590
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,320
# I
591
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,040
# I can remember
592
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,040
# I remember
593
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,720
# Standing
594
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,440
# By the wall... #
595
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,680
But you can't read Where Are We Now?
596
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:53,480
as just a nostalgic story about Berlin, at all, you know?
597
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:54,680
But, I mean, really,
598
00:37:54,680 --> 00:38:01,000
it's much more how memories affect the way we move forward, or not.
599
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,640
The Song of Norway T-shirt - I said,
600
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,680
"That's very cheeky," and he goes, "I know," or something like that,
601
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,960
and he never explained why he wore it.
602
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:21,160
'Her name is Hermione Farthingale, and I absolutely adored her,
603
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,800
'I mean, she was the real first love in my life.
604
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,720
'And she was a ballet dancer, and a very good little singer,
605
00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:31,120
'and she played a little bit of bed-sitting room guitar,
606
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:32,720
'you know, that kind of folk guitar
607
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:35,680
'that every girl that looked beautiful could play in those days.
608
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,640
'I don't know why, but all the beautiful girls
609
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,040
'could play a little bit of acoustic guitar.
610
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,120
'She was doing a film called Song of Norway.' HE CHUCKLES
611
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,560
'And she fell in love with one of the actors on it,
612
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,240
'and she left me for him.
613
00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:52,920
'God, I didn't get over that for such a long time.
614
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,280
'It really broke me up.'
615
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,560
I did see David when he'd just separated from her,
616
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,320
and he was very, very upset.
617
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:06,440
I think it was also, he was working with her, so it was a double thing,
618
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:12,000
that he'd lost his girlfriend, and he'd lost someone in his band.
619
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,600
I don't know which one was the worst, to be honest, but...
620
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,680
Yeah, it did hit him pretty hard.
621
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,480
I think he wanted to release something that would cause
622
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,840
a lot of ripples and question marks all around,
623
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,120
and he was able to get that with this.
624
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,840
# As long as there's sun
625
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,360
# As long as there's rain
626
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,920
# As long as there's fire
627
00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:01,200
# As long as there's fire... #
628
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,560
I knew this was about Berlin,
629
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,600
and I thought it was really, really sweet, and quite nostalgic.
630
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:07,960
But, er...
631
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,880
The thing that really made me teary-eyed
632
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,520
was when I saw the video for it.
633
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,040
Oh, my gosh, you know? I thought...
634
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,240
I'd never expect him to look back, you know?
635
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:20,080
This is a new thing for him.
636
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,040
CAR HORN BLARES
637
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,360
SIREN WAILS
638
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,600
'I think because of my orientation towards the apocalyptic,
639
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,800
'I think it rather hones that low-level anxiety.
640
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,160
'Especially with, you know, the advent of a new child.
641
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:55,080
'My daughter really sort of focused my fears and apprehensions.
642
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,720
'I mean, what a disappointing 21st century
643
00:40:57,720 --> 00:40:59,840
'this has been so far, you know?'
644
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,200
I have to say, this track has swagger.
645
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,840
All this loose playing, it's all on purpose.
646
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,360
But we didn't want it to get too fancy, and it had to sound
647
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,000
like a bunch of high school kids playing their instruments.
648
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,680
Very, very cheesy-sounding, but perfect for this song,
649
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,920
because of the lyrical content of the song,
650
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,800
about this, you know, person called Valentine, who is a mass-murderer.
651
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,920
'I mean, Valentine's Day,'
652
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,560
from a musical point of view,
653
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,480
that is way old, that's like old-school,
654
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,040
all those chord changes, and the whole thing.
655
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,440
But if you listen to the lyrics, there's subject matter there.
656
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,600
# Valentine told me who's to go
657
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:17,200
# Feelings he's treasured most of all... #
658
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,760
There had been a number of incidents prior to creating this song
659
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,800
that had moved him.
660
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,280
I think he was really troubled by this trend
661
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,800
of people going and shooting kids.
662
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,400
# The teachers and the football stars
663
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,480
# It's in his tiny face
664
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:41,320
# It's in his scrawny hand
665
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,600
# Valentine told me so
666
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,480
# He's got something to say
667
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,640
# It's Valentine's day... #
668
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,720
He really wanted to bring the audience
669
00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:57,280
into the mind of that killer,
670
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,960
and that transition from the David that we know
671
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:06,360
to this other character that he was inhabiting in this song
672
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,720
was very shocking, really.
673
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:14,280
# Valentine told me how he feels
674
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:24,720
# If all the world were under his heels... #
675
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:26,280
Being right there in front of him,
676
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:30,160
and seeing him pull this out of himself - it was, er...
677
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,280
It was quite terrifying just to watch.
678
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:34,920
# It's in his tiny face
679
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,640
# It's in his scrawny hand... #
680
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,640
I really wanted to introduce a weapon into the video,
681
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,440
and David was really against it.
682
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,640
He didn't want any guns, he didn't want any blood.
683
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,840
But he was very much aware of making a statement about gun control
684
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,440
and the importance of that, in his own style.
685
00:43:55,400 --> 00:44:00,360
To defeat the divisive forces that would take freedom away...
686
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,440
I want to say those fighting words...
687
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,240
"From my cold, dead hands!"
688
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:07,280
CHEERING
689
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,160
# Valentine, Valentine
690
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,440
# It's in his scrawny hand
691
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,960
# It's in his icy heart
692
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,320
# It's happening today
693
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,320
# Valentine, Valentine... #
694
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:24,160
He was very interested in society, you know, what makes people operate,
695
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,080
what makes societies operate,
696
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:30,480
and that was one of his less cryptic and more straight-up lyrics
697
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,040
that he's ever written.
698
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:36,960
'I'm not an original thinker.
699
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,440
'What I'm best at doing is synthesising those things
700
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,080
'in society or culture, refracting those things,
701
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,640
'and producing some kind of glob
702
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,760
'of how it is that we live at this particular time.'
703
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,720
# Pushing through the market square
704
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:01,000
# So many mothers crying
705
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,880
# News had just come over
706
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,560
# We had five years left to sigh in
707
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,680
# News guy wept when he told us
708
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,240
# Earth was really dying
709
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,640
# Cried so much that his face was wet
710
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,760
# Then I knew he was not lying... #
711
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,600
He let you know, something's not right here,
712
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:41,880
so that's the best I knew.
713
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,560
He didn't come up with the solutions,
714
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:48,040
but at least he could express, and others could resonate with that.
715
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,480
# A girl my age went off her head
716
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,920
# Hit some tiny children
717
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:06,440
# If the black hadn't 'a pulled her off
718
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,880
# I think she would have killed them... #
719
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,880
'I'm not a Dylan, and I'm not a...
720
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,080
'I'm not somebody who can sit down
721
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:20,160
'and stoically write a clear picture of what's happening, you know?
722
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,320
'But I can leave a very strong impression of how I feel about it.'
723
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,000
- # Five years
- # Five years
724
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,760
# Mmm-doo-doo, yeah
725
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,160
# Five years
726
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,360
# Doo-doo-doo, yeah
727
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,640
# Five years
728
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,240
# Doo-hee, yeah
729
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:43,200
- # Five years
- # Five years
730
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,760
# That's all we've got. #
731
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,960
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
732
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,400
APPLAUSE BECOMES RHYTHMIC
733
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,320
ELECTRO INTRO PLAYS
734
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,920
'It's very hard to not continue
735
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,160
'to readdress the same subject matter endlessly.
736
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,280
'I mean, I just have a certain niche that I work in.
737
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,040
'A lot of it, until recently,
738
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,880
'tends to be about alienation, and being on the outside of things.'
739
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,040
# It's the darkest hour
740
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,120
# You're 22
741
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,000
# The voice of youth
742
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,160
# The hour of dread... #
743
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,640
'That tends to be where I feel more comfortable as a writer,
744
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,920
'but I think one keeps readdressing that situation,
745
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,040
'and trying to express it in a different way.
746
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,760
'I guess that's what I do.'
747
00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:41,520
# Love is lost
748
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,600
# Lost is love
749
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,320
When I spoke to David on the phone, it was definitely,
750
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:00,840
"Don't say a word about this,"
751
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,000
In fact, we even had a code word for it,
752
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,840
so if anybody intercepted the phone calls,
753
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,360
they wouldn't know we were talking about the album.
754
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,120
So, the album was actually codenamed The Table.
755
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,320
HE LAUGHS
756
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,320
There was a lot of discussion
757
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,400
about what the album would be called at the time.
758
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,880
It was quite gratifying to know that not even David Bowie
759
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,280
has everything planned out.
760
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,720
So, it was possibly going to be called Love Is Lost...
761
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,000
..possibly going to be called The Next Day...
762
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,080
possibly going to be called Where Are We Now?
763
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,720
The thing that started the concept for the design was this photograph.
764
00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:44,520
It's from the '70s, and he said,
765
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,600
"I want to do something with this photo for the cover."
766
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,520
Which I found quite puzzling.
767
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,000
He was looking back on his life, even looking at that image.
768
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,480
I really struggled with using the image,
769
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,320
and then it took Bowie to say, "Jonathan...
770
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,720
"Why don't you just turn the image upside down?"
771
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:05,840
And within that moment, he subverted his whole history.
772
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,000
So, the process was to go through every record cover,
773
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,600
every printed image of him, and see how we could subvert it.
774
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,880
The cover of "Heroes" really had that youthful image of Bowie
775
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:29,080
looking forward to the future, and the square obliterates it.
776
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:34,000
It's existentially talking about someone who's coming closer
777
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:38,080
to the end of their life, and looking back on the past.
778
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,320
I really wasn't sure about it at the time,
779
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,400
to the point that in fact, the night before it was sent off
780
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,120
to the record company, I wrote to him and said, "Are you sure?"
781
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:49,480
And he actually said to me,
782
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:54,360
"No, have faith, Jonathan, this is a good idea, it's an original idea."
783
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,120
# I'd rather be high... #
784
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,520
I think he was subverting people's expectation
785
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:04,480
because of the years away, so he could play with his image.
786
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:09,040
He wasn't a young man desperate to be original.
787
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,000
He was someone who'd lived life,
788
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:16,360
and was not up for playing the game of being in the media all the time.
789
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,080
Bowie was incredibly happy
790
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:27,160
that we'd managed to keep this thing secret all this time.
791
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,440
We had accomplished something unique
792
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,840
in a time when everybody knows everything.
793
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,440
He was quite attracted to all the furore
794
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:43,480
around an album being released, but he wanted to play the right way.
795
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,240
# Then we saw... #
796
00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:49,880
- REPORTER:
- Hello. David Bowie is back in sound and vision
797
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,040
with his first new album in a decade.
798
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,280
- REPORTER:
- He hasn't performed since 2006,
799
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,000
and has rarely been seen in public since then, but now he's back.
800
00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:59,800
- REPORTER:
- But after a bout of ill-health,
801
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:01,400
it was thought he had retired. Wrong.
802
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,640
- REPORTER:
- His new album, his first in ten years,
803
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,680
shot to the number one spot last weekend.
804
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,400
In fact, it's the fastest-selling of the year so far,
805
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:12,320
having shifted over 100,000 copies in less than two weeks.
806
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,680
# The night was always falling
807
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,160
# The peacock in the snow
808
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,280
# And I tell myself
809
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,000
# I don't know who I am... #
810
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,760
He just stopped giving interviews many years ago, and, erm...
811
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,480
this is something that he needed to do, I think, for himself.
812
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,280
He couldn't have his life examined any longer,
813
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,920
he didn't want any speculation about his life.
814
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,120
I think it's terribly dangerous for an artist
815
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,560
to fulfil other people's expectations.
816
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,440
If you feel safe in the area that you're working in,
817
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,480
you're not working in the right area.
818
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:18,480
Always go further in the water than you feel you're capable of being in.
819
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,200
Go a little bit out of your depth,
820
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,320
and when you don't feel that your feet are quite touching the bottom,
821
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,400
you're just about in the right place to do something exciting.
822
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:32,360
The way David works, he just keeps evolving, evolving, evolving.
823
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:36,120
David's always looking for that new element, and unique musicians,
824
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,880
to be the carriage for his new ideas.
825
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,840
Maria Schneider is an amazing jazz composer,
826
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,400
and how she could have been off my radar, I don't know,
827
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:53,480
because she suddenly appeared in my life through David,
828
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,360
and when I heard her compositions,
829
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,800
it was everything David and I loved about big band music,
830
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:03,360
that it was discordant and strange and ethereal.
831
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,040
Out of the blue, David called.
832
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,520
- "Hello?"
- SHE CHUCKLES
833
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:20,200
And then I proceeded to start to talk to him about the idea
834
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,040
that he had to collaborate on a song.
835
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:32,080
David brought a little demo of Sue, so, I listened to it,
836
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,160
and immediately heard this.
837
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,480
DISCORDANT CHORDS
838
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,640
I said, "Where do you want this to go?"
839
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,880
So, it's... It's pretty bright-sounding, you know,
840
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,160
and he said, "Oh, I want it to be really dark,"
841
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:47,920
so, then I started playing around
842
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,160
with ways in which I could make that...
843
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,240
..that melody dark, and I just fooled around over here,
844
00:53:55,240 --> 00:53:58,600
and then I looked at him, and I said, "OK, let's try this."
845
00:53:58,600 --> 00:53:59,640
CAR HORN BLARES
846
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,520
Maria Schneider said,
847
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,040
"You have to listen to this guy, Donny McCaslin."
848
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,200
Donny had a band.
849
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,520
This band were trained jazz musicians,
850
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,560
so we had more colours to the palette.
851
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,480
Then I just worked on it on my own a little bit,
852
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,160
and then David came over,
853
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,360
and then I presented him with all these sketches of ideas,
854
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,880
and said, "OK, let me play you lots of different things,"
855
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,120
and he would either say,
856
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,360
"Yeah, yeah," or, "Oh, I really like that!"
857
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:37,000
You know, and if it's got a real reaction from him, then I said,
858
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,040
"OK, maybe that's the direction."
859
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,360
So, I just kind of tried to feel him out.
860
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:56,400
It was adventure.
861
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,280
Adventure, adventure, "Let's try this, let's try that,
862
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,400
"let's make it as far-out as possible.
863
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,000
"Let's go somewhere no-one's ever gone before," you know?
864
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,880
And when we recorded it, it was like, six hours or something.
865
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:15,920
- Yeah.
- So, he comes out, then he lays down the vocal for the whole song -
866
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,640
seven, eight minutes.
867
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,800
- So, he's been in the studio all day long...
- Just sitting there!
868
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,520
Just sitting there, listening, you know, taking this all in,
869
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,640
goes out, a little "one-two-three" on the mic, and then, boom.
870
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,280
# Sue
871
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,360
# I got the job
872
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:43,200
# We'll buy the house
873
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,840
# You'll need to rest
874
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:51,680
# But now we'll make it... #
875
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,880
So, I remember doing this interview with Tony Visconti.
876
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:56,560
The interviewer asked us both,
877
00:55:56,560 --> 00:56:00,120
what was David's relationship to jazz music? Something like that,
878
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:04,200
and Tony's response was that he thought that that influence
879
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,520
had always been there in David's music,
880
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,840
but it was just sort of underneath the surface,
881
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,760
and that now, it was just, you know, out there.
882
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:19,680
# Sue, I pushed you down beneath the weeds
883
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:25,040
# Endless faith in hopeless deeds... #
884
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:26,880
Of course, when this thing was released,
885
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:28,520
there were all sorts of comments.
886
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,480
Some people were just absolutely hating it,
887
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,040
and some people were loving it,
888
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:34,960
and some people didn't know what to think.
889
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:41,440
# Goodbye. #
890
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:46,320
This is David Bowie. He's not going to pigeonhole even himself.
891
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,720
Imagine how ridiculous he would have looked, you know,
892
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:52,520
if he'd kept dying his hair orange when he was 65 years old?
893
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:56,600
Orange hair and platform shoes, you know? He's smart.
894
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,760
The radical shift between Sue and The Next Day
895
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:13,000
is like when he did the ambient music of Low and "Heroes"
896
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:14,160
with Brian Eno.
897
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,360
# Dun-dun-dun-dun... #
898
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:19,560
HE CHUCKLES
899
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,480
Oh, I'm going to play that again!
900
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,400
# Dun-dun-dun-dun... #
901
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,040
Oh, wow! I'm feeling Low.
902
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,680
Brian Eno's methodology is a little bit different
903
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,400
than any methodology I've ever encountered.
904
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,600
That's not rock and roll.
905
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:36,680
Rock and roll is,
906
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,600
"Hey, man, I've got this great riff, listen to this, waaah!"
907
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:40,840
You know?
908
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,880
But when you start experimenting with soundscapes,
909
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:49,320
which is what they were doing, it makes other things come to light.
910
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:54,240
David was listening to a few German bands back then
911
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,720
that were at the epicentre of electronic music,
912
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,800
and I think that the electronical part was too much.
913
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:06,560
That's why he had an R&B, a black rhythm section, being,
914
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,400
"You want a machine? Let me give you a funk band..."
915
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,960
INTRO TO "SOUND AND VISION" PLAYS
916
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,160
"..but I'll add all the electronic stuff on top of that."
917
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,280
Otherwise, he might take the chance
918
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:24,480
of sounding like European electronic music,
919
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,000
which he did not want to reproduce.
920
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,920
I'd gotten into the idea of real experimentation in music
921
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:34,840
with the new sounds of Europe,
922
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,440
and it was this kind of hybrid thing that appealed to me so much.
923
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,360
The idea of mixtures
924
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:44,320
has always been something that I've found absolutely fascinating.
925
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,720
# Blue, blue, electric blue
926
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:48,960
# That's the colour of my room
927
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,000
# Where I will live
928
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:54,400
# Blue, blue
929
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,200
# Pale blinds drawn all day
930
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,640
# Nothing to do, nothing to say
931
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,120
# Blue, blue
932
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,760
# I will sit right down
933
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,840
# Waiting for the gift of sound and vision... #
934
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:20,600
I was just amazed that David was the kind of person that he was,
935
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:22,200
because I wasn't expecting that.
936
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,720
I was expecting something, sort of...
937
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,600
superhuman, strange, walking in...
938
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:28,800
SHE CHUCKLES
939
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:30,680
..and he presented himself so normal.
940
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:34,600
As a matter of fact, the doorman from downstairs called me and said,
941
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:38,520
"There's a... What's your name? Oh, David, here to see you."
942
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,360
And I thought, "Oh, dear!"
943
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,680
Can I just stop for a second? Did I just say he was normal?
944
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:53,280
- There was really nothing normal about David Bowie!
- SHE CHUCKLES
945
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:54,600
But anyway...
946
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:20,360
When I was around 17, 18, what I wanted to do more than anything else
947
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,480
was write something for Broadway.
948
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:26,360
I wanted to write a musical, had no idea of how you did it,
949
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:31,080
or how musicals were constructed, but the idea of writing something
950
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,560
that was rock-based for Broadway really intrigued me.
951
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,440
I thought that would be a wonderful thing to do.
952
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,160
When we first talked,
953
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:45,880
quite quickly, he said, "I want to do a musical,"
954
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:49,280
and I said, "Great," and he said,
955
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,760
"all I know is that it's called Lazarus,
956
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:55,680
"it's going to be called Lazarus, and it's based on the character
957
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,800
"I played in The Man Who Fell To Earth, in the movie,
958
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:00,200
"Thomas Jerome Newton."
959
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,880
Thomas Newton is an alien.
960
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:10,440
He can't get home, he's relegated to this Earth.
961
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:11,880
He is...
962
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:14,200
in the world, but not of it.
963
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,760
Outsiders, marginalised people,
964
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:20,840
people that don't belong, that are...
965
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:24,280
That feel displaced, not at home,
966
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,320
even when they have a house, like Newton,
967
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,840
rich, you know, on Earth, but lost on Earth.
968
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:31,400
It resonated with him.
969
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,120
My initial reaction was,
970
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:41,400
"I've got the chance to do a musical with David, which is wonderful.
971
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,360
"But it sure ain't going to buy me a yacht!"
972
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,640
# Oh, say can you see... #
973
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:50,080
That was my amused comment to myself.
974
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:53,600
But he said, "I want to see this. I want this on."
975
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:55,040
OK...
976
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,240
So, erm... Thank you very much...
977
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:04,240
But just before we were due to start a small workshop,
978
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:09,320
I was asked to go to David's office in New York at a specific time,
979
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:14,200
and when I walked in the room, David was on Skype.
980
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:16,720
And then he said,
981
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,560
"I need to explain something to you,
982
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:23,160
"because I'm not going to be able to be around a lot
983
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:24,800
"during this workshop...
984
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:30,440
"..which doesn't that I'm not going to be totally involved in it,
985
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,760
"it just means that I can't be there sometimes,
986
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:39,640
"because I'm having treatment, because I have a cancer."
987
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:44,040
I was shocked.
988
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:47,440
But his attitude was that he was going to be OK,
989
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,720
and that was kind of the end of the conversation.
990
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:52,600
I'm here to get you out of this apartment,
991
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,200
get you home to your planet.
992
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,080
I think we should build a rocket!
993
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:03,960
But, of course, once we started rehearsal, he was there a lot.
994
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,600
He was sort of in and out and in and out, you know?
995
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:13,240
So, he would go, "Oh, let's remove that scene, and can I write a song?
996
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,080
"I feel as if I should write a song here."
997
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:16,840
And he was really excited about that.
998
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:22,320
He was ill, and he said that writing the musical
999
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:26,560
was on his bucket list, you know, finally writing a musical,
1000
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:29,840
and all that, so, that's the only time he got a little bit,
1001
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:33,440
you know, sentimental, maybe, like, "I've got to do these things."
1002
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:39,800
- Stupid creature!
- Why don't you tell me what's going on?
- Because I can't.
1003
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,360
I think that David intended it to be a play
1004
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,720
that's supported by music, rather than a musical
1005
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,320
that's supported by dialogue.
1006
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,680
# But the film is a saddening bore... #
1007
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:57,000
It's about as far from a typical West End or Broadway show
1008
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,840
as you could get. He wanted this to be an art piece.
1009
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,040
# As I ask you to focus on
1010
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:08,240
# Sailors fighting in the dance hall
1011
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:14,040
# Oh, man Look at those cavemen go
1012
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,760
# It's the freakiest show... #
1013
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,200
I'd heard that he'd wanted to do musicals since,
1014
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:21,480
someone said the mid-'70s, or something or other,
1015
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,320
and I thought, "Oh, God, we're beginning something
1016
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:27,440
"that feels very, very close to his heart and his head
1017
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:28,760
"and where he's at."
1018
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:44,320
'I really had it in my mind to do a musical of Nineteen Eighty-Four.'
1019
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,960
'It was a book that I'd loved all through my youth.
1020
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:51,240
'But of course, I didn't really take into account the second Mrs Orwell,
1021
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,920
'who, when she got wind of what we were doing,
1022
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:55,680
'absolutely put her foot down, and said,
1023
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:57,640
'"I'm not having rock and roll people
1024
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,200
'"work on my late husband's great piece of work."
1025
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,000
'And I thought, "Well, sod it, I'll do my own version, then!"'
1026
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:05,440
That's a nought.
1027
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,600
This is the beginning of a film called Diamond Dogs,
1028
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,960
and I've put nought in because I don't know what year it says.
1029
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:17,000
Wanting to do something like write a musical for Nineteen Eighty-Four,
1030
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:21,480
and then not being able to do it, via the album Diamond Dogs,
1031
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:25,640
kind of gelled into this thing that we later toured in America.
1032
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:28,000
# A small Jean Genie snuck off to the city... #
1033
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,480
David had the idea of using dance
1034
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:36,320
and mime with two vocalists,
1035
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:38,320
myself being one...
1036
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:44,880
..and Gui Andrisano, who had been a child star.
1037
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,800
# Jean Genie, let yourself go... #
1038
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:02,120
It kind of worked with the input we had from Toni Basil
1039
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,040
in terms of choreography.
1040
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:11,800
Well, when I met him, the first day, in his hotel suite,
1041
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,080
the set was there.
1042
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:17,040
The set was already a little mock-up set.
1043
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:20,040
# We feel that we are paper
1044
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:22,920
# Choking on you nightly
1045
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:26,360
# They tell me Son, we want you
1046
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,680
# Be elusive but don't walk far... #
1047
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:34,440
He had the cityscape and a set list.
1048
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:40,560
So, for me, the set list was my thread
1049
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:46,960
of what ideas I could come up with in collaboration with him
1050
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:50,040
to make this theatrical piece happen.
1051
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,600
# But I love you in your fuck-me pumps
1052
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:56,720
# And your nimble dress that trails
1053
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:58,240
# Oh, dress yourself... #
1054
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:03,400
At that time, there was not really a lot of rock stars
1055
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:06,400
that focused on theatricality.
1056
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:10,200
A lot of them thought it was corny, or they were afraid to approach it.
1057
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:15,840
So, I knew he was a great performer, extremely theatrical,
1058
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:19,320
that would just always be outside the box,
1059
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:21,160
always be walking on the edge.
1060
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:32,200
# In the year of the scavenger The season of the bitch
1061
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,800
# Sashay on the boardwalk Scurry to the ditch
1062
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,680
# Just another future song Lonely little kitsch... #
1063
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:43,480
Diamond Dogs was probably the most difficult one to choreograph,
1064
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,840
because we were on long pieces of rope,
1065
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:52,840
and the idea was to tie him down, without fully disabling him, and...
1066
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:55,160
- HE CHUCKLES
- And, er...tripping him up.
1067
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:00,000
- # Hey, you dogs
- Whoo
1068
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,280
# Call them the Diamond Dogs... #
1069
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:04,800
'It was hideously pressurised for me,
1070
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:06,880
'these awful tensions and stresses,
1071
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,400
'but the physicality of performing a show like that
1072
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,480
'was alarmingly strenuous.'
1073
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:14,040
# Oh, honey
1074
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:15,720
# You're so bad... #
1075
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:21,560
Diamond Dogs is a series of vignettes of what could happen
1076
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:25,120
when society breaks down, so it was more sketchy,
1077
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,680
rather than a story from beginning to end.
1078
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,240
'I started getting into the idea of writing...
1079
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:38,400
'a kind of non-narrative, that just had situations within it,
1080
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,240
'and the audience kind of joins up the dots their own way,
1081
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:42,760
'in the way they want to make it.
1082
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,680
'They remake the material they're offered.'
1083
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,440
# Just for a day
1084
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:51,440
# Oh, honey
1085
01:08:51,440 --> 01:08:53,360
# You're so bad... #
1086
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:05,440
He brought me another song to work on.
1087
01:09:05,440 --> 01:09:06,880
And I said to him,
1088
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:08,720
"I would love to do this, but I just...
1089
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:12,840
"I can't, David, I'm recording an album with my own band!"
1090
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,080
And then, I said to him,
1091
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:22,120
"I think you should do a record with Donny's group."
1092
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:25,960
He said, "Really, you think so? You think they'd want to do that?"
1093
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:28,040
And I said, "Are you kidding me?"
1094
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,640
And I said, "I think it would be amazing."
1095
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,000
I got an e-mail from him, and...
1096
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:38,520
Basically saying that he would really like to record
1097
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:39,760
a few tunes with us.
1098
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,520
There was a sentence that he said, something like, you know,
1099
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,440
"It would be my dream to record a few songs
1100
01:09:45,440 --> 01:09:48,680
"with the Donny McCaslin Group," I think that...
1101
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:52,600
That sentence was kind of, like, "Wow!"
1102
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,360
Whatever he was going through health-wise at the time,
1103
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:08,640
one thing that was really inspiring was how, from the first day,
1104
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:12,680
the first note, he was just totally in it.
1105
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,200
By the time I joined you guys, I was not aware of anything,
1106
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:16,600
and I was actually...
1107
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,640
Even being ignorant of all this,
1108
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:21,200
I was struck by how healthy and energetic
1109
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:22,560
and in great spirits he was.
1110
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:33,240
So, David had a lot of vocal ideas that needed to be done.
1111
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,200
You have him singing this.
1112
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,920
BOWIE'S VOICE DOUBLE-TRACKED: # In the villa of Ormen
1113
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:41,240
# In the villa of Ormen
1114
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:44,960
# Stands a solitary candle
1115
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:48,760
# Ah-ah
1116
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:52,200
# Ah-ah
1117
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:55,040
# In the centre of it all
1118
01:10:56,040 --> 01:11:00,400
# In the centre of it all
1119
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,960
# Your eyes... #
1120
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,400
Now, the reason it sounds so good is,
1121
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:08,240
that's just one David Bowie singing,
1122
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:11,560
but with his voice put up a fifth interval.
1123
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:14,960
# On the day of execution
1124
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,600
# On the day of execution
1125
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:22,480
# Only women kneel and smile
1126
01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:26,040
# Ah-ah
1127
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:29,280
# Ah-ah
1128
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:32,640
# At the centre of it all
1129
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,760
# At the centre of it all
1130
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:41,200
# Your eyes
1131
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:47,560
# Your eyes... #
1132
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:49,560
He asked me if I would be interested
1133
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,120
in perhaps putting some images to this song,
1134
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:53,960
and then began, you know,
1135
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:57,600
a couple of months of a very interesting collaborative process.
1136
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:02,000
He would send me drawings, that he would literally say,
1137
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,600
"Do what you want with these drawings," you know?
1138
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:08,200
He would have this character that he drew,
1139
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:11,800
the man with sort of gauze, you know, across his face,
1140
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:16,800
with two buttons for eyes, and we named him Button Eyes.
1141
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:25,760
And he also sent me an image of a spaceman with a skeleton inside.
1142
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:32,280
# Ah-ah-ah... #
1143
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:35,200
To me, it was 100% Major Tom, you know?
1144
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:39,320
A character that he had, you know, revisited and used over his career.
1145
01:12:40,480 --> 01:12:44,440
Major Tom for him was like some sort of talisman or something.
1146
01:12:44,440 --> 01:12:46,440
He was really along for the ride with David,
1147
01:12:46,440 --> 01:12:50,600
and the idea of space, I think represented...
1148
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:52,440
Maybe it represented freedom.
1149
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,440
Major Tom still means a lot to me.
1150
01:12:58,440 --> 01:13:01,240
It was the first time I'd been able to create a character
1151
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:03,200
that was very credible -
1152
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:05,920
I think for any writer, that's a high point.
1153
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:07,320
He preceded all the others,
1154
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:09,800
and I suppose one has a special place for him.
1155
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:10,880
I do.
1156
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:13,960
# Ground Control to Major Tom
1157
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:21,440
# Ground Control to Major Tom
1158
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:30,200
# Take your protein pills and put your helmet on... #
1159
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:33,320
- INTERVIEWER:
- What is it with spaceships?
1160
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:37,320
Well, it's an interior dialogue that you manifest physically.
1161
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:44,480
It's my little inner space, isn't it? Writ large.
1162
01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:46,680
I wouldn't dream of getting on a spaceship.
1163
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:48,040
It'd scare the shit out of me!
1164
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:49,760
HE LAUGHS
1165
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,520
I have absolutely no interest or ambition
1166
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:54,560
to go into space whatsoever.
1167
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:56,720
I'm scared going down the end of the garden!
1168
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:02,760
# Though I'm past 100,000 miles
1169
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:06,120
# I'm feeling very still
1170
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:12,880
# And I think my spaceship knows which way to go
1171
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:20,640
# Tell my wife I love her very much She knows
1172
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:25,400
# Ground Control to Major Tom
1173
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:28,840
# Your circuit's dead There's something wrong
1174
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:31,920
# Can you hear me, Major Tom?
1175
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:35,600
# Can you hear me, Major Tom?
1176
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:38,520
# Can you hear me, Major Tom? #
1177
01:14:39,480 --> 01:14:44,360
Major Tom was a really great device to keep returning to.
1178
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:46,120
Maybe there was some little, you know,
1179
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:48,840
obviously a bit of maybe sentimental attachment to it,
1180
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:52,560
because it represented a lot in terms of how he became known to us
1181
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,600
and became famous.
1182
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:57,160
# The shrieking of nothing is killing
1183
01:14:57,160 --> 01:15:01,040
# Just pictures of Jap girls in synthesis
1184
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:05,960
# And I ain't got no money and I ain't got no hair
1185
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:14,400
# But I'm hoping to kick But the planet is glowing
1186
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:21,320
# Ashes to ashes Funk to funky
1187
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:25,320
# We know Major Tom's a junkie
1188
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:28,600
# Strung out in heaven's high
1189
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:32,480
# Hitting an all-time low... #
1190
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:37,680
He just would take these bits of the past,
1191
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:39,800
and fashion the future out of them,
1192
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:42,720
and Major Tom was a big part of that.
1193
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:47,440
And he's been looking for a home for, you know, how long,
1194
01:15:47,440 --> 01:15:49,240
50 years or something, you know?
1195
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:53,200
A long time, Major Tom's been trying to find peace and rest,
1196
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:54,960
and he found it in Blackstar.
1197
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,160
Major Tom is home, finally.
1198
01:15:57,160 --> 01:16:02,040
# Ooh-ooh-ooh... #
1199
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:05,880
Blackstar, you know, it's really wildly open to interpretation,
1200
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:09,200
and I think he enjoyed this very much, like any artist.
1201
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:12,760
Any great artist wants you to stand back and look at the work
1202
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:16,560
and analyse it and feel things from it.
1203
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:19,440
And you might not feel the same things.
1204
01:16:19,440 --> 01:16:23,000
The idea of art is to stimulate your own imagination.
1205
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:28,920
# Ooh-ooh-ooh... #
1206
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:32,880
You know, after a week or two of us having these chats
1207
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:36,200
about Button Eyes and the spaceman,
1208
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:38,160
I get a text message from him, it said,
1209
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:39,920
"I need to Skype with you, can you Skype?"
1210
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,360
And he's saying, "There's something I have to tell you."
1211
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:44,040
And I said, "Yeah, sure."
1212
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:46,920
And then he says, "I have to tell you that I'm very ill,
1213
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:49,440
"and that I'm probably going to die." You know?
1214
01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:53,000
You know, utterly out of the blue, you know, just like that.
1215
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:59,400
# Ooh-ooh-ooh... #
1216
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:01,840
Let this be only coming from me,
1217
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:04,280
but I think part of the way I reacted, also,
1218
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:06,920
I felt that when he was saying that,
1219
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:10,760
I thought for a brief second that he looked scared, actually.
1220
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,760
And then, a second later, he would joke about it, you know?
1221
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:20,920
Over the next six or eight months,
1222
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:23,240
the disease or illness was never mentioned,
1223
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:28,640
and he was in no way, in my mind, you know, affected by his illness.
1224
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:32,560
# Something happened on the day he died
1225
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:38,000
# Spirit rose a metre and stepped aside
1226
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:43,000
# Somebody else took his place And bravely cried
1227
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:45,400
BOWIE'S VOICE DOUBLE-TRACKED: # I'm a blackstar
1228
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:48,600
# I'm a blackstar... #
1229
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:52,520
This is a tradition that David and I always had, like,
1230
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:56,680
how can we mangle the voice, you know, how can we change it?
1231
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:59,760
And make one person sound like many people,
1232
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:03,920
and in many different contexts, and in many different spatial areas.
1233
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:08,840
# I'm a blackstar, way up, on money I've got game
1234
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:13,400
# I see right, so wide So open-hearted pain
1235
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:18,000
# I want eagles in my daydreams Diamonds in my eyes
1236
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:19,960
# I'm a blackstar
1237
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:22,680
# I'm a blackstar... #
1238
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:26,920
David is like some bizarre, skeletal choir, doing,
1239
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:30,280
"I'm a blackstar, I'm a blackstar," this weird thing.
1240
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:32,680
It makes this whole section very supernatural.
1241
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:37,320
# Somebody else took his place and bravely cried
1242
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:39,720
# I'm a blackstar
1243
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:41,960
# I'm a star star
1244
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,400
# I'm a blackstar
1245
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:46,040
# I'm a blackstar... #
1246
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:48,880
I imagine it must have been cathartic for him.
1247
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:50,840
He was working tirelessly,
1248
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:57,280
both on Blackstar, and on Lazarus at the same time.
1249
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:59,080
Perhaps the catharsis...
1250
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:05,280
..surrounding Lazarus was unique, inasmuch as its execution
1251
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:10,080
required him to relinquish control, and allow so many other people
1252
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:12,560
to take it and make it happen.
1253
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,280
Countryside disappears beneath my feet.
1254
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:17,720
You know, I mean, I must say,
1255
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,880
there were times when David and me would be reading scenes together...
1256
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:23,280
You could feel him...more in there.
1257
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:25,280
MUSIC PLAYS ON PIANO
1258
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:27,000
This isn't happening.
1259
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,160
I'm still inside my head.
1260
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:32,120
You know, you forget, you forget that, actually he's...
1261
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:34,240
Of course, we forgot that he was dying.
1262
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:36,640
I'm done with this life!
1263
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:40,160
The cast, of course, never knew. Only me, Ivo and Robert.
1264
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:43,360
And so, a new universe I'll dream,
1265
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:44,960
big, up there.
1266
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:50,840
And although always stuck inside my breaking mind...
1267
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:55,480
..I've stepped off the Earth, and into a better place.
1268
01:19:55,480 --> 01:19:58,920
David didn't want "Heroes" in Lazarus,
1269
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:02,840
because "Heroes" had become like an anthem.
1270
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,880
He wanted a song that would have sent everyone out
1271
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:07,160
slitting their wrists.
1272
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:16,080
Ivo and Enda persuaded him that if "Heroes" was treated musically
1273
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:21,920
in a different way, it would work for the ending of Lazarus.
1274
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:26,280
# I
1275
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:31,000
# I will be king
1276
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:36,680
# And you
1277
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:40,320
# You will be queen... #
1278
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:44,160
It's a reflective, it's a beautiful moment.
1279
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:47,160
Here is this melancholy, instead of triumphant.
1280
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,120
'Through his relationship with this girl,
1281
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:56,280
'and her re-awakening him to his vitality,
1282
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:59,280
'Newton is brought back to life,'
1283
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:02,400
that he may ready himself to die.
1284
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:04,240
Perhaps.
1285
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:05,320
Or not.
1286
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:06,360
HE LAUGHS
1287
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:09,040
# But we could be safer
1288
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:15,320
# Just for one day. #
1289
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:18,360
There is a catharsis moment at the end, with "Heroes", you know,
1290
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:20,200
when things clear up.
1291
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:21,720
He cuts loose everything
1292
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:25,200
which in a normal life of a normal human being is important...
1293
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:27,640
- BOTH:
- # We can be heroes... #
1294
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:31,240
.. and then he has to let go every hope, just accepting...
1295
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:34,960
..well, his own death, at the end.
1296
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:38,760
- BOTH:
- # We can be heroes
1297
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:47,240
- BOTH:
- # We can be heroes... #
1298
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:49,000
So, the last thing that you see is,
1299
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:51,680
Michael C Hall is still on stage, alive,
1300
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:56,680
but in his mind, he is flying away into the stars.
1301
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:59,120
That's the last image.
1302
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:05,440
# Just for one day. #
1303
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:17,640
APPLAUSE
1304
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:21,400
I didn't expect David to be there on our opening night.
1305
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:25,120
We had heard that he was getting weak, but he so wanted to be there.
1306
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:26,440
And er...
1307
01:22:26,440 --> 01:22:28,840
And he turned up, and he watched it, and then afterwards,
1308
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:31,000
he took the bows with us, it was very, very sweet.
1309
01:22:32,480 --> 01:22:35,680
You know, he got through the night, but I really am convinced
1310
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:40,640
that he was fighting death, and he wanted to continue and to continue.
1311
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:44,080
And then afterwards, we were sitting a little bit,
1312
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:46,920
talking behind the stage, and he said,
1313
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:51,120
"Let's start the second one now, the sequel to Lazarus!"
1314
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:55,600
The last thing I remember David saying to me,
1315
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:58,440
after, you know, the hugs and the smiles,
1316
01:22:58,440 --> 01:23:01,720
and after that opening night performance was,
1317
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:04,520
"I think it went well tonight, don't you?"
1318
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:06,520
That's the last thing I remember him saying.
1319
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:08,360
And I said, "Yeah, I think it did."
1320
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:18,600
After the musical opened, I got a call saying,
1321
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:22,960
"David would love to see you," and so I went over to see him,
1322
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:26,680
and he was in his bedroom, and we chatted.
1323
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:31,240
And it was all very lovely, peaceful.
1324
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:37,920
And so, then we walked to the elevator, and he said,
1325
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:42,920
"You're a genius," to me, and I said, "No, no, no, I'm not a genius.
1326
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:46,600
"I'm just the producer. YOU'RE the fucking genius."
1327
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:48,040
And, erm...
1328
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:52,880
We had a hug, I got in the elevator, and that was it.
1329
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:54,400
Last time I saw him.
1330
01:24:18,440 --> 01:24:22,520
David said, "I just want to make a simple performance video."
1331
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:24,760
I immediately said,
1332
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:27,680
"The song is called Lazarus. He should be in the bed."
1333
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:32,600
To me, it had to do with the biblical aspect of it, you know?
1334
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:34,720
The man who would rise again.
1335
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:37,920
And it had nothing to do with him being ill.
1336
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:40,960
That was only because I liked the imagery of it, you know?
1337
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:46,360
I found out later that the week we were shooting
1338
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:48,560
was when he found out that this is...
1339
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:49,920
It's over, you know?
1340
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:53,360
We'll end treatments, you know, in whatever capacity,
1341
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:56,320
that means that his illness has won.
1342
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:00,720
# Look up here
1343
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:02,640
# I'm in heaven
1344
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:10,280
# I've got scars that can't be seen
1345
01:25:13,480 --> 01:25:17,400
# I've got drama Can't be stolen
1346
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:24,440
# Everybody knows me now... #
1347
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:31,720
I've watched him record, and he's in that song, in that feeling,
1348
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:32,760
in that moment.
1349
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:34,280
He would stand in front of the mic,
1350
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:36,480
and for the four or five minutes he was singing,
1351
01:25:36,480 --> 01:25:38,600
he would pour his heart out.
1352
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:42,960
The audio picked up his breathing in between those lines.
1353
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:47,240
# Look up here, man I'm in danger... #
1354
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:50,440
HE BREATHES
1355
01:25:50,440 --> 01:25:54,200
# I've got nothing left to lose... #
1356
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:57,000
HE BREATHES
1357
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:01,920
# I'm so high it makes my brain whirl... #
1358
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:04,680
HE BREATHES
1359
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:09,000
# Dropped my cellphone down below... #
1360
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:14,640
It wasn't that he was out of breath - he was...
1361
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:17,480
like, hyperventilating, in a way, like,
1362
01:26:17,480 --> 01:26:21,560
getting his energy up to sing this, to deliver this song.
1363
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:23,560
# You know, I'll be free... #
1364
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:25,440
He was quite stoked.
1365
01:26:25,440 --> 01:26:29,080
I like to say, in the zone, and I could see him through the window,
1366
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:31,280
that he was really feeling it.
1367
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:39,240
# Oh, I'll be free... #
1368
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:41,360
HE BREATHES
1369
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:48,640
# Ain't that just like me? #
1370
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:52,880
A man on top of his game.
1371
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:54,880
It's brilliant, absolutely brilliant.
1372
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:57,760
And the saddest lyrics to hear them now.
1373
01:26:58,840 --> 01:26:59,880
HE SIGHS
1374
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:21,680
- REPORTER:
- It's 7:09.
1375
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:25,440
Well, the shock news has only just been officially confirmed.
1376
01:27:25,440 --> 01:27:27,000
David Bowie is dead.
1377
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:30,800
David Bowie, rock and roll rebel, actor and cultural icon,
1378
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:32,920
has died at age 69.
1379
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:35,840
We lost David Bowie this morning.
1380
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:39,680
Erm... And it's a big deal.
1381
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:42,200
There have been news crews,
1382
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:44,760
and fans from all around the world leaving floral tributes...
1383
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:47,080
..in downtown Manhattan, and you can see behind me...
1384
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:49,360
David Bowie, il est mort...
1385
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:51,600
Fans laying flowers...
1386
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:54,200
Even the Archbishop of Canterbury was a fan.
1387
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:57,080
# Heaven loves ya
1388
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:01,040
# The clouds part for ya
1389
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:05,040
# Nothing stands in your way
1390
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:06,640
# When you're a boy
1391
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:13,040
# Clothes always fit ya
1392
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:16,840
# Life is a pop of the cherry
1393
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:18,840
# When you're a boy... #
1394
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:22,440
'It's been an incredibly full life, and, er...'
1395
01:28:22,440 --> 01:28:25,520
Apart from the drugs in the '70s, I think little of it has been wasted
1396
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:29,400
in terms of, I've been able to, sort of, harness every moment, in a way.
1397
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:31,520
I'm... I'm a really lucky chap.
1398
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:37,160
- INTERVIEWER:
- And legacy - how would you like your legacy written?
1399
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:40,480
'I'd love people to believe that I really had great haircuts.'
1400
01:28:40,480 --> 01:28:41,520
HE LAUGHS
1401
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:42,560
# Boys
1402
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:47,200
# Boys keep swinging
1403
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:49,840
# Boys always work it out... #
1404
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:00,560
OK, so, at the beginning of this track,
1405
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:03,360
I noticed there's some waveforms. I said, "What's all this?"
1406
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:06,160
So, here's Space Oddity.
1407
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:09,280
'Little mouse fart.'
1408
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:10,840
Little mouse part.
1409
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:12,600
'The mouse... A part for the mouse?'
1410
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:14,760
- Oh...
- 'Little mouse FART.'
1411
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:17,080
- 'Oh, little mouse FART!'
- 'Yeah.'
1412
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:18,400
'Little mouse fart.'
1413
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:19,440
Ah!
1414
01:29:20,480 --> 01:29:21,560
Oh, he farted!
1415
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:23,280
HE LAUGHS
1416
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:29,120
He... David Bowie doesn't fart!
1417
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:32,440
No, we don't... We'll never hear David Bowie fart.
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