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Here, set of aluminium saucepans.
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Never seen daylight, moonlight
or Fanny By Gaslight.
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Growing up in London,
me and my mates
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used to hear our parents talking about
"the good old days".
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We asked ourselves,
"What was so good about them?"
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There was depression, unemployment,
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World War Il, the Blitz.
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And even when it was all over,
food was rationed.
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The Cockneys were always
looked upon kindly in England,
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but in the way you look kindly upon
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- Mickey Mouse or puppets, you know?
- Yeah, yeah.
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They say, "Oh, aren't they nice?
Aren't they clever?" You know.
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As though they've wound you up
and you do something.
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Well, along came a generation
of which I'm probably about the oldest.
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I feel like a grandfather
with most of them.
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I'm 33.
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We decided that we weren't gonna be
Mickey Mouse any more,
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at least, we'd be people, you know,
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whether they liked it or not,
and that's what we did.
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For the first time in British history,
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the young working class, people like me,
stood up for ourselves and said,
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"We are here, this is our society
and we are not going away."
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What was it all about?
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I'm gonna show you.
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You're only supposed to blow
the bloody doors off!
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Britain in the 1950s
was stable, conventional,
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predictable and dull.
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But that's the way our parents liked it.
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My generation demanded a new beginning.
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I wasn't always Michael Caine.
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I was born Maurice Joseph Micklewhite.
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My mother was a charlady, a cleaner.
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And my father was a Billingsgate
fish market porter.
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I was expected
to follow in his footsteps,
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but I hated the smell of fish.
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Maurice Micklewhite, are you?
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Yes, I am.
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No.
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Oh, my God, aren't you like your father?
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Cos I didn't think anybody
would be left down here.
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Your mother and I
were very good friends.
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- Yes, you were, indeed. Yes.
- And your dear old father.
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The times we used to pick up
old Mrs Faulkner.
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Yeah! Off the floor.
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You remember those times,
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- don't you, boy?
- Yeah, I remember. I do.
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As an English child grows,
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he becomes aware he has already
been assigned a place in a large game,
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a system as intricate
and elaborate as a maze.
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A maze of tradition,
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outmoded rules about who should succeed
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in the eyes of the establishment.
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Discipline is indispensable
to a progressive and mature society.
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Given discipline in the home
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and school,
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in college and at the work bench,
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the foundations for happiness
are well-established.
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My dad was just
an East End lad.
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My mum wanted something better for us.
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My dad was
a very talented musician
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but he had to go out and work.
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- As I'm sure your parents did.
- They did, yeah.
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So, all his dreams
about becoming a musician
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went out the window.
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As a kid, me and my friends
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spent as much time as possible
in the cinema.
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But the films we saw
had nothing to do with our lives.
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No heroes we could relate to.
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From the way they talked,
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I thought all the actors
were dukes and duchesses.
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Pure satin.
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Satin? Lace, actually.
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No, Major, I meant your voice.
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I'm so desperately in love with you.
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Well, you really think you are.
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I can't eat or sleep
for thinking of you.
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- You know Mr Gore-Brown, my new boss.
- How do you do?
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Sir Henry Hazelrigg
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- and Major D'Arcy Davenport.
- How do you do?
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Well, welcome to the toughest way
of earning a living
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in this so-called civilised world,
Mr Gore-Brown.
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Not that my East End mates would
go and see Brief Encounter
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but for some reason, I saw it.
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It was a love story
about a middle-aged couple.
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And it was funny.
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I love you.
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"I love you."
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You love me, too.
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"I love you, too."
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Yes.
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I don't want to pretend anything,
either to you or to anyone else.
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What did she say?
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And the other one says,
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"She says, 'I love you.'
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"Shut up."
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I look down on him
because I am upper class.
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I look up to him
because he is upper class.
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But I look down on him
because he is lower class.
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I am middle class.
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I know my place.
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We were supposed
to respect our betters.
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The nobs, the toffs,
the people who had all the power.
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The establishment, as we knew them.
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We were all brought up
to be servants.
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I mean, we were never gonna be
the masters.
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Lady Lewisham, what do you
think about our teenagers?
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I think they're splendid,
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and I'm delighted
you asked me that question,
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cos I sometimes think
they get rather a raw deal.
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This was
the first generation that had
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the potential to make
a mark at the time.
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But the older generation
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still clung to the days
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when Britain ruled over
half the civilised world.
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We'll arise like lions
and get our Empire back.
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The bloody great British Empire
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that your bloody Labour rubbish
give away to,
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to the people it belonged to.
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Whether we like it or not,
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the wind of change
is blowing through this country.
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But we don't need generals any more.
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There isn't a war going on.
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I wasn't prepared
to follow any of the principles,
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morals, outlooks on life
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of what were, I laughingly call
"my betters".
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And which is what I was
actually taught at school,
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I was taught all about my betters.
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I never understood who my betters
were supposed to be.
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I've never seen any of my betters.
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I've seen a lot of my equals
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but I've still never seen
any of my betters.
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From my generation,
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the Labour government coming in
in '45...
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- Yeah, yeah.
- ...the Health Service,
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the change of diet,
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- the change of healthcare...
- Yeah.
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...and good education for everybody.
I think that set the '60s up.
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I mean, you got
a very good education, too.
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Yeah, yeah.
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we didn't have
to pay for education.
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I loved it
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and I was very glad to
go to a grammar school.
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- I did.
- Did you?
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- Grammar school boys!
- Grammar school.
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Come on! Give it up
for grammar school.
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Well, I always say to people, you know,
I got this real posh education
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for nothing.
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I always wanted to be
an actress
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and my father said,
"No, no, you can't be an actress.
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"It's terrible.
It's a terrible profession.
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"And I want you to go
to a secretarial school
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"and find a good man, get married
and have a nice life."
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There was this kinda
science teacher when I was about 12,
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he showed me how to develop film.
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So I used to go down my mum's cellar.
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I used to nick the chemicals from school
and process film
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from my mother's Brownie
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to see if I could photograph birds.
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Birds?
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Oh, I was quite interested
in ornithology.
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Oh, I thought...
Oh, sorry, I mistook that.
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No, no.
OK, I get it now, yeah.
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When I saw Elvis,
it did something to me.
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And it wasn't just the song,
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and it wasn't just the fact that
everybody was talking about it.
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It was something animalistic.
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I'd seen someone that was free.
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Completely and utterly free.
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And I thought, "I've gotta do that.
I've gotta do... I've gotta be...
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"That's what I wanna do."
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I wanted to be an actor
from the age of 10
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but I mean, people with my accent
and background
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hardly ever became actors.
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But I was in a school play
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and when I came on,
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I immediately got a laugh
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because my flies were undone.
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But
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I was hooked.
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So, you know, when he was working,
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he was always miles away, you know,
dreaming what he was gonna be
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and what he wasn't gonna be and
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- we used to think he was a bit cranky.
- We used to think he was a nutcase,
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didn't we? Let's face it.
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To be honest, I was happy
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just to make a few quid
being an actor in repertory.
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Playing in draughty theatres,
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living in draughty rooms.
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I never thought that I would be famous.
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Never.
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And so you've got a long way to go.
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Don't become too good too early.
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So, I was in rep,
doing a play up in Liverpool
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and we used to go out
and have coffee and sandwiches
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at lunchtime at this coffee bar.
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And it was always smothered in girls.
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That's gonna
get you down there.
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Yeah.
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That was us, yeah.
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To get in,
you had to kind of bluff a bit.
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- It was officially a blues club.
- Yeah.
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We didn't know any blues.
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- It was all rock and roll, what we knew.
- Yeah, sure.
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We were getting notes from the guy.
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"This is not blues!"
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Anyway, we bluffed it.
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I mean, I had my guitar.
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Mick Jagger had his in London,
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and Eric Burdon was up in Newcastle
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and we're all going through
the same changes at once.
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And you could make it without
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college and education
and all those things, you know?
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Of course,
with being very poor.
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there was no way I was gonna
be able to buy a guitar.
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Yeah, how do you start?
You gotta get musical instruments.
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Yeah, so I went out
and bought some wood
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like so many of our guys did.
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We all went out
and made our first guitars.
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- Made them?
- We made them, yeah. We made them.
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And they weren't very good.
And they didn't last very long.
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But all you needed to do
was have something that made a noise.
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Really?
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And if you learnt three chords
you can play many, many songs.
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And after they learned
those three chords,
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most kids headed for London.
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It's where everybody
who wanted to be somebody
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wanted to be.
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You might be out of work,
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you might be broke,
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but it was cheap
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and you lived within two miles
of Buckingham Palace.
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Oh, that was a great time.
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We all used to just
go round London in our cars
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and meet each other
and talk about music.
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And we were very close to the Stones.
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I spent a lot of time
with Brian and Mick.
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And I admired them, you know.
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I dug them the first time
I saw them in Richmond.
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And you know we wrote
their first number one?
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Wait a minute,
what one was that?
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So, one day, me and John
were in Charing Cross Road
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cos that was where all
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- the guitar shops were.
- Yeah, I remember that. Yeah.
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And we used to go down.
That was like our mecca.
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And we were coming out of a shop one day
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and we saw this taxi with Rolling Stones
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and we were, "Hey!"
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So, we got in, and we're talking,
and they say,
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"Oh, we got a record contract with
Decca, you know? Great."
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And Mick said, "Trouble is,
we haven't got a song."
251
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And I go, "Drr-drr-drr!"
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I go, "Well, we've got one."
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I thought the Stones wrote
that one themselves.
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No, we wrote that when we were so high.
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How do you compare your
group with The Beatles?
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I don't know. How do you
compare it with The Beatles?
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I don't compare it at all, you know.
There's no point.
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Well, let's get right down
to the brass tacks.
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Do you think you're better
than they are?
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At what? You know,
it's not the same group.
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- It was part of a movement.
- Yeah.
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Because while we were
still up in Liverpool,
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we were seeing people like you,
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Albert Finney, Courtenay,
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who were ordinary, working-class boys,
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who talked with regional accents.
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I've only clocked you,
that's all, you're...
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You're Crafty Arthur from the Basin.
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I shouldn't worry too much, sir.
We can always shut down a reactor.
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Yes.
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Pity if we had to, though.
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Don't let the bastards
grind you down!
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That's one thing I've learned.
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Ordinary lads, you know,
and they were now making it.
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- You were expected to sort of talk posh.
- Yeah.
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And we didn't or couldn't,
and didn't want to.
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My real name was Maurice Micklewhite,
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which is a bit of a mouthful
for an actor.
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So I changed it to Michael White.
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Then I came to London
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and every night I used to go
to Leicester Square,
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in a phone booth,
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and call my agent
to see if there was any work.
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And one night she said,
"I've got a job for you.
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"It's on television."
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She said, "And you've got to join
Equity, the trade union."
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So I said, "OK, I'll join it." She said,
"But you've gotta change your name."
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She said, "Because there's another
Michael White
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"already in Equity.
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"So, I want the name now."
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She said, "Obviously, you can keep
the name Michael,
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"but I want another surname."
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So, I looked round Leicester Square
at the cinemas
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and there was my favourite actor,
Humphrey Bogart
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in The Caine Mutiny.
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And I thought, "This is fantastic."
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So I said, "Michael Caine."
She said, "How do you spell it?"
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I said, "C-A-I-N-E."
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And that's how I became Michael Caine.
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If I'd have gone to the cinema next door
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I would've been
"Michael 101 Dalmatians."
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Music in this country
was very watery and weak
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and not really worth talking about.
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Then all of a sudden, you know,
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the kids in England were
thinking for themselves, you know.
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They were beginning to sort of build up
their own ideas about fashion.
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And build up their own ideas
about music.
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I really don't care whether
they think we're a load of yobs or not.
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It doesn't worry me.
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Cos maybe I am. I don't really care.
I'm just what I am.
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It was like
slaughtering a beast.
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The thing could howl, it could scream.
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It was doing all kinds of noises...
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...that you could only do
by smashing it.
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We were led in through that period
of the Cold War
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- where we were with the Cuban Crisis.
- Exactly! Yeah.
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We had three minutes to live.
You just did everything now.
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Twenty years ago, it was music,
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it was melody,
you wanted to dance to it.
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This is London
calling the British Empire.
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This is the BBC Light Programme.
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Here is the ten o'clock news.
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Ladies and gentlemen...
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The BBC
Home and Forces Programme.
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Here is the news.
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When I was a kid,
the bloke who read the news
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on the BBC, he wore an evening suit.
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And that was on the radio.
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00:24:50,364 --> 00:24:52,856
And that attitude still existed
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among the stiffs who ran the place.
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They didn't want us
to be exposed to the evils
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of the pop music
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of The Beatles, The Rolling Stones,
The Who.
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00:25:03,919 --> 00:25:06,832
But whenever the old guard
told us what we couldn't do,
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00:25:08,173 --> 00:25:09,664
we always found a way to do it.
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00:25:30,404 --> 00:25:32,646
We've records on radio. Lovely!
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00:25:35,826 --> 00:25:38,034
This is Radio Caroline,
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00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:40,157
three and a half miles
off the coast of Britain.
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The last free radio station
in the world.
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Good morning! This is Radio Caroline,
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00:25:49,006 --> 00:25:51,544
broadcasting on 259 metres
in the medium wave.
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00:25:51,633 --> 00:25:54,421
And welcome to the show!
You're with the Admiral Robbie Dale
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through till 9:00 this evening.
Remember, of course, it's 259...
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We want food! We want food!
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All broadcasting, ultimately,
was responsible to the government,
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00:26:13,363 --> 00:26:14,979
to the representatives
of the government.
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00:26:15,074 --> 00:26:18,818
Now, these people are not.
They are a law unto themselves.
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00:26:19,286 --> 00:26:22,404
They are, in fact, pirates.
The word is a correct one.
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00:26:23,165 --> 00:26:25,452
They are pirates.
They are, in fact, outlaws.
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00:26:27,086 --> 00:26:30,796
If a new animal comes into
a group of animals
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00:26:30,881 --> 00:26:33,589
that are already together,
the other animals will attack it.
352
00:26:34,510 --> 00:26:36,627
Because they don't know it,
and they're afraid of it.
353
00:26:36,804 --> 00:26:39,296
The pirates are a menace,
and I don't believe at all
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00:26:39,807 --> 00:26:43,221
that the public wouldn't support action
to enforce the law.
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00:26:43,644 --> 00:26:45,852
We broadcast 24 hours a day
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00:26:46,146 --> 00:26:49,310
to Britain, France, Holland,
many other European countries.
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00:26:49,566 --> 00:26:50,898
We fight for freedom.
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00:26:51,068 --> 00:26:54,687
And we will fight
until we are physically put down.
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00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,616
The old rule book
was being torn up
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00:27:09,294 --> 00:27:10,284
and thrown away.
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00:27:10,796 --> 00:27:12,537
It was happening in my profession, too.
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00:27:12,631 --> 00:27:15,840
I was up for a big film,
to play a Cockney Corporal.
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00:27:18,178 --> 00:27:20,170
And I had to go to the audition
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00:27:20,264 --> 00:27:22,005
and I didn't have a phone at that time.
365
00:27:22,099 --> 00:27:23,556
And when I got to the audition,
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00:27:23,642 --> 00:27:25,725
the director said, "I'm terribly sorry."
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00:27:25,811 --> 00:27:27,427
He said, "We couldn't
get in touch with you.
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00:27:27,521 --> 00:27:29,513
"We've cast that part already."
You know?
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00:27:29,606 --> 00:27:30,596
So, I was turned down.
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00:27:30,691 --> 00:27:32,899
But I'd been turned down
so many times it didn't matter.
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00:27:32,985 --> 00:27:34,692
And the room was very long,
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which was fortunate for my movie career,
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cos by the time I got to the door,
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00:27:38,699 --> 00:27:40,816
the director said, "Come back a minute.
Come here."
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00:27:41,660 --> 00:27:44,903
Now, I was very slim, 6'2",
long, blond hair.
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00:27:45,664 --> 00:27:47,906
He said, "You sort of look like
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00:27:48,667 --> 00:27:50,624
"an officer type, you know?"
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00:27:51,295 --> 00:27:55,039
So I said, "Thank you."
He said, "Can you do a posh accent?"
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00:27:56,216 --> 00:27:59,425
I said, "I have been in rep
for nine years,
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"I can do any accent you want."
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00:28:03,098 --> 00:28:04,430
I was very nervous, I remember.
382
00:28:04,808 --> 00:28:06,925
I remember Cy Endfield,
when he did the first take,
383
00:28:08,228 --> 00:28:10,641
said "Cut!" halfway through
the very first take
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00:28:11,231 --> 00:28:14,349
and he said, "Michael, " he said, "your
voice has gone up about three octaves."
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00:28:14,735 --> 00:28:18,024
And my voice was up here with nerves
and they could hardly record it.
386
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,647
And we had to start again,
and then I brought my voice down.
387
00:28:20,991 --> 00:28:23,074
But what had happened was,
is everybody had come out
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00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,573
because they were sure this
Cockney couldn't speak like that.
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00:28:26,246 --> 00:28:27,782
Who said you could use my men?
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00:28:29,875 --> 00:28:32,162
They were sitting around
on their backsides doing nothing.
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00:28:34,463 --> 00:28:36,329
Rather you asked first, old boy.
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00:28:36,423 --> 00:28:39,712
That's how I got a starring role
in a movie for the first time.
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00:28:41,136 --> 00:28:44,846
The thing is if that director
hadn't been an American
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00:28:44,932 --> 00:28:47,390
but had been a British director,
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through no malice
or no fault of his own,
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he would never
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00:28:52,189 --> 00:28:54,977
have cast this Cockney boy
as an officer,
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00:28:55,984 --> 00:28:57,145
not in a million years.
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00:28:58,528 --> 00:29:02,272
That's how strong the class system
was in England back then.
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00:29:24,137 --> 00:29:25,298
And suddenly,
401
00:29:25,514 --> 00:29:29,133
people realised that the working class
wasn't as thick as it looked.
402
00:29:29,226 --> 00:29:30,558
- And it had talent.
- Yeah.
403
00:29:30,644 --> 00:29:32,886
There was very talented people.
404
00:29:32,980 --> 00:29:33,970
It was a revolution.
405
00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:41,227
And I don't agree with anything
that they do.
406
00:29:41,488 --> 00:29:42,979
Young people are like they are
407
00:29:43,073 --> 00:29:46,908
because our society is throwing up
this sort of problem.
408
00:29:48,078 --> 00:29:50,286
I think the whole thing is
a lot of unfresh rubbish.
409
00:29:51,665 --> 00:29:52,746
I just thought
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00:29:52,833 --> 00:29:54,699
there was more of us
than there was of them.
411
00:29:54,793 --> 00:29:57,251
Do you know,
that never occurred to me?
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00:30:00,465 --> 00:30:02,127
But it seems to me
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00:30:02,634 --> 00:30:04,045
that a good time is...
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00:30:05,095 --> 00:30:08,634
is much easier had by all now
than ever before.
415
00:30:14,771 --> 00:30:17,138
Any one thing that's preached
by our people in particular
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00:30:17,232 --> 00:30:19,519
it's that you do what you wanna do,
when you want.
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00:30:21,570 --> 00:30:24,187
This isn't the first generation
that's questioned the moral values
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00:30:24,281 --> 00:30:25,647
of the last generation.
419
00:30:34,416 --> 00:30:35,907
You know, on recent trips to London
420
00:30:36,001 --> 00:30:39,665
you don't see any people
older than 25 or 30.
421
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,837
It's as though they lock
them up somewhere.
422
00:30:41,923 --> 00:30:44,506
I think they've all
moved out and left it to the teenagers.
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00:30:44,593 --> 00:30:47,131
London, as far as I'm concerned,
as far as I can see,
424
00:30:47,220 --> 00:30:49,428
it's all young people
the whole time now.
425
00:30:50,015 --> 00:30:52,098
Taste no longer
comes down from the rich.
426
00:30:52,184 --> 00:30:53,971
It often rises from the young,
427
00:30:54,061 --> 00:30:55,723
many of them from the working classes.
428
00:30:56,355 --> 00:30:59,268
They now seem the pace-setters.
They set the taste.
429
00:31:01,151 --> 00:31:04,610
In fact, the whole strength of this
came from the young themselves.
430
00:31:04,738 --> 00:31:07,230
They knew what they wanted.
They didn't want to imitate sort of
431
00:31:07,991 --> 00:31:10,358
Countess Biggleswade, you know?
They had their own ideas.
432
00:31:10,994 --> 00:31:13,657
I looked at
the cover of Time magazine
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00:31:13,747 --> 00:31:16,410
and I read this article
just talking about
434
00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:18,833
what was going on in London,
the nightclubs,
435
00:31:19,127 --> 00:31:20,993
the restaurants, the clothes,
436
00:31:21,171 --> 00:31:24,710
and I thought, "How do I get to London,
you know, like, tomorrow?"
437
00:31:25,425 --> 00:31:27,007
You know, when people say
438
00:31:27,094 --> 00:31:29,586
The Beatles made swinging sixties,
they didn't.
439
00:31:29,679 --> 00:31:31,762
London made The Beatles.
440
00:31:32,182 --> 00:31:34,469
Never before had so many young people
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00:31:35,143 --> 00:31:36,554
lived away from home.
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00:31:37,604 --> 00:31:39,516
Their parents began to worry about them.
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00:31:40,690 --> 00:31:42,101
If their kids when to art school,
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00:31:42,859 --> 00:31:44,316
they would've worried even more.
445
00:31:45,195 --> 00:31:47,437
I don't know whether
they learned anything about painting,
446
00:31:48,156 --> 00:31:51,570
but they certainly had the
prettiest girls and the best parties.
447
00:31:52,202 --> 00:31:53,784
The pop art scene
448
00:31:53,870 --> 00:31:56,362
began to transform the face of London.
449
00:31:57,749 --> 00:31:59,911
People said,
"It's a dull, grey world."
450
00:32:00,001 --> 00:32:02,618
Or "Everything's black and white
post-war."
451
00:32:02,879 --> 00:32:04,916
Even though people said that,
it was literally true.
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00:32:05,173 --> 00:32:06,664
Everything was dull and grey
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00:32:06,758 --> 00:32:09,671
and we wanted colour, we wanted
to introduce colour into London.
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00:32:09,845 --> 00:32:13,589
If we could have had coloured concrete,
coloured cement, we'd have used it.
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00:32:14,307 --> 00:32:17,471
The world of pop art.
The world of the popular imagination.
456
00:32:17,561 --> 00:32:20,850
The world of film stars, the twist.
457
00:32:21,356 --> 00:32:23,473
Art schools were
the centre of everything.
458
00:32:23,567 --> 00:32:26,184
Well, they provoked so much
excitement and interest.
459
00:32:26,778 --> 00:32:29,395
And we didn't even know
you could have art students.
460
00:32:30,115 --> 00:32:32,653
It was wonderful
thinking you could use anything.
461
00:32:32,909 --> 00:32:35,026
Paintings based on a packet of tea,
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00:32:35,620 --> 00:32:37,987
just because the packets of tea
were there.
463
00:32:39,207 --> 00:32:41,244
And I used to write
on the paintings then.
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00:32:43,086 --> 00:32:44,293
A lot of graffiti.
465
00:32:44,379 --> 00:32:49,170
Some of it, I remember finding in the
toilets in Earl's Court Tube station.
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00:32:51,928 --> 00:32:53,669
I often take the moment
467
00:32:53,763 --> 00:32:55,846
before something has actually happened.
468
00:32:56,016 --> 00:32:58,303
And you don't know
if it's going to be terrible
469
00:32:58,393 --> 00:32:59,725
or it might be very funny.
470
00:32:59,811 --> 00:33:03,304
The sort of stuff that I'm doing is
absolute ephemera.
471
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,935
It's do it today and I wanna
forget about it by midnight.
472
00:33:08,069 --> 00:33:09,776
And I'm on to something else.
473
00:33:09,863 --> 00:33:11,195
This is how I see.
474
00:33:11,281 --> 00:33:13,739
You know, if anything is pop,
it's pop for the minute.
475
00:33:18,788 --> 00:33:22,998
It's much easier for a girl to
drift into trouble in London.
476
00:33:23,668 --> 00:33:26,832
The streets themselves,
it's true, are clear.
477
00:33:27,422 --> 00:33:29,755
But there are more temptations,
478
00:33:29,841 --> 00:33:33,755
it's more easier for anybody
who wants to exploit a girl
479
00:33:33,845 --> 00:33:35,086
to sweep her underground.
480
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:38,722
"I just happened
to be there, that's all."
481
00:33:38,808 --> 00:33:40,470
That's a Bob Dylan line.
482
00:33:43,063 --> 00:33:45,646
They said, "Would you like to come
to a party in London?"
483
00:33:45,732 --> 00:33:48,190
And I said, "Oh, I've never been
to a party in London."
484
00:33:49,236 --> 00:33:51,774
Pretty girl with a lot of
very pretty friends.
485
00:33:52,239 --> 00:33:54,151
- Yeah.
- My friends were gorgeous, you know.
486
00:33:54,241 --> 00:33:57,154
We all went to this convent
and we were fabulous looking,
487
00:33:57,244 --> 00:33:59,657
and my God, the role model
was the Virgin Mary.
488
00:33:59,746 --> 00:34:00,736
Yeah, exactly.
489
00:34:00,830 --> 00:34:02,696
That's what made
convent girls so sexy.
490
00:34:05,252 --> 00:34:06,868
And hard to get. Yeah.
491
00:34:06,962 --> 00:34:08,624
Don't know about that.
492
00:34:08,713 --> 00:34:11,330
The Rolling Stones were there
and Millie and The Crystals,
493
00:34:12,092 --> 00:34:13,082
and all these people,
494
00:34:13,885 --> 00:34:15,467
and I was looking very shabby.
495
00:34:16,012 --> 00:34:18,675
Very, very... So shabby. It was awful.
496
00:34:19,432 --> 00:34:20,422
I was stood there.
497
00:34:21,142 --> 00:34:24,510
And then people started whispering
and sort of saying, you know,
498
00:34:24,604 --> 00:34:26,436
being very embarrassing for me.
499
00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:28,647
And they came up and said
to the person I was with,
500
00:34:28,733 --> 00:34:29,894
"And can she sing?"
501
00:34:30,610 --> 00:34:33,694
Andrew Oldham, you are the person
who discovered Marianne Faithfull
502
00:34:33,780 --> 00:34:34,941
at that party.
503
00:34:35,031 --> 00:34:37,990
Is it literally possible to go to
a party and pick out someone
504
00:34:38,076 --> 00:34:41,035
with no evident talents
and make a star of them?
505
00:34:41,871 --> 00:34:43,954
- Uh, yes.
- How?
506
00:34:44,124 --> 00:34:46,457
Um, I think the first thing is
you have to be drunk.
507
00:34:47,502 --> 00:34:48,834
- He had an instinct.
- Yes.
508
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,082
I think, that's what
Andrew... I was very good at that.
509
00:34:51,172 --> 00:34:52,333
And he guided you through...
510
00:34:52,424 --> 00:34:55,132
- He guided me through nothing.
- Really?
511
00:34:55,218 --> 00:34:58,302
He knew whatever it was I had
he could market it.
512
00:34:58,805 --> 00:35:02,799
He just saw what he always called
a "commercial face".
513
00:35:02,892 --> 00:35:05,100
Which you did, yeah. I mean,
you were so pretty.
514
00:35:05,186 --> 00:35:08,350
If you can see that
perspective. I can't see it myself.
515
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:09,430
Take my word for it.
516
00:35:09,524 --> 00:35:10,731
OK.
517
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:13,817
I fell in love with Mick.
518
00:35:13,903 --> 00:35:16,771
Mick was young, rich and a rock star.
519
00:35:17,657 --> 00:35:20,400
Bailey, the same.
Probably you had your moments, too.
520
00:35:20,493 --> 00:35:22,155
Though you took your work
very seriously.
521
00:35:22,245 --> 00:35:23,235
I did, indeed.
522
00:35:23,330 --> 00:35:25,242
It was a whole team of very,
523
00:35:25,332 --> 00:35:26,789
very naughty boys, really. Very naughty.
524
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,616
Yeah, well, we couldn't help it.
525
00:35:30,879 --> 00:35:32,461
Where I grew up, it was a bit like
526
00:35:32,756 --> 00:35:35,749
Sicily in terms of morals and sex.
527
00:35:36,509 --> 00:35:38,967
If you kissed a girl, her brothers'd
come round with a shotgun
528
00:35:39,054 --> 00:35:40,386
and say you've gotta get married.
529
00:35:40,764 --> 00:35:44,303
Well, all that went out of the window.
530
00:35:44,392 --> 00:35:47,305
Women also
were turning into voyeurs.
531
00:35:47,437 --> 00:35:49,224
They also liked the look of men.
532
00:35:49,522 --> 00:35:52,265
Given the Pill was the only
contraception that actually worked,
533
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,359
a woman could then really be
in charge of her own life.
534
00:35:55,528 --> 00:35:57,269
It's smaller
than an aspirin tablet
535
00:35:57,906 --> 00:36:00,944
and it is commonly and widely
called "the Pill".
536
00:36:01,076 --> 00:36:02,567
A revolution is on the way.
537
00:36:02,744 --> 00:36:06,328
All over the country, young girls
are sprouting, shouting and shaking.
538
00:36:06,539 --> 00:36:08,906
And if they terrify you, they mean to.
539
00:36:09,042 --> 00:36:10,908
I wanted to run and jump and dance
540
00:36:11,044 --> 00:36:13,707
and go on at night, straight away to
a nightclub and dance.
541
00:36:17,050 --> 00:36:18,712
A friend of mine said
he was gonna take me
542
00:36:18,802 --> 00:36:20,794
to the best disco in the whole world.
543
00:36:21,805 --> 00:36:23,592
It was at the top
of a very high building,
544
00:36:23,682 --> 00:36:25,298
just behind Leicester Square,
545
00:36:25,642 --> 00:36:27,508
in a club called The Ad Lib.
546
00:36:30,063 --> 00:36:32,646
And I'm looking round to see what sort
of people we've got here.
547
00:36:33,608 --> 00:36:36,976
On the dance floor,
every single Rolling Stone
548
00:36:37,195 --> 00:36:38,402
and every single Beatle.
549
00:36:39,322 --> 00:36:42,360
And I thought, "Boy,
this must be the place."
550
00:37:12,313 --> 00:37:15,272
I met Albert Finney,
I met Michael Caine,
551
00:37:15,358 --> 00:37:16,894
I met Sean Connery.
552
00:37:17,235 --> 00:37:20,444
I met Stevie Winwood,
Jimi Hendrix and Brian Jones.
553
00:37:20,530 --> 00:37:23,193
John Lennon was there.
I met Julie Christie there.
554
00:37:24,033 --> 00:37:25,274
It was insane.
555
00:37:26,828 --> 00:37:28,660
And they were all mates,
weren't they?
556
00:37:28,747 --> 00:37:31,865
It was all mates. I taught Nureyev
how to twist at The Ad Lib, yeah.
557
00:37:31,958 --> 00:37:35,417
And he was very stiff. I mean,
he could do all that Swan Lake shit,
558
00:37:35,503 --> 00:37:37,916
but he couldn't do the twist.
559
00:37:43,261 --> 00:37:46,379
We didn't have cell phones
in those days.
560
00:37:46,765 --> 00:37:50,600
We didn't text each other.
We talked to each other face-to-face.
561
00:37:51,269 --> 00:37:53,386
And that's what bred creativity
562
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,019
because people could meet each other
and exchange ideas.
563
00:37:57,817 --> 00:38:00,525
And anyone with talent
could be a part of it.
564
00:38:12,248 --> 00:38:15,286
We started a shop
in the King's Road called Bazaar.
565
00:38:15,752 --> 00:38:19,166
It just hit the spot from
the first day.
566
00:38:19,506 --> 00:38:22,169
Why was that, then?
Was that because of the miniskirt?
567
00:38:22,258 --> 00:38:26,252
Because I made the skirts much shorter
than anyone had seen at that time.
568
00:38:26,638 --> 00:38:28,004
They were provocative, you know?
569
00:38:29,641 --> 00:38:32,805
Well, I can't say that I particularly
approve of some of the styles
570
00:38:32,894 --> 00:38:35,261
and particularly the more outré ones.
571
00:38:35,355 --> 00:38:39,269
But I do appreciate that they're
the expression of, what shall I say?
572
00:38:39,359 --> 00:38:41,191
The exuberance of affluent youth.
573
00:38:41,486 --> 00:38:42,476
City gents
574
00:38:43,154 --> 00:38:45,396
on their way to work used to
bash on the window and shout,
575
00:38:45,490 --> 00:38:48,699
"Disgusting! Outrageous!
They should not be allowed!"
576
00:38:48,785 --> 00:38:49,775
and all the rest of it, yeah.
577
00:38:49,869 --> 00:38:51,906
I'd have thought they'd
have been sitting outside watching.
578
00:38:51,996 --> 00:38:53,157
Yeah, you're right.
579
00:38:53,248 --> 00:38:55,786
I had the shortest skirts ever.
580
00:38:55,875 --> 00:38:58,993
So short I had knickers made
to match my skirts.
581
00:38:59,212 --> 00:39:01,044
Yeah, micro-mini. They were like a belt.
582
00:39:01,714 --> 00:39:05,583
One day in the '60s,
my mother said to me, she said,
583
00:39:05,677 --> 00:39:08,545
"I keep reading and hearing
about all these miniskirts."
584
00:39:08,638 --> 00:39:11,346
She said, "I've never seen
a girl in a miniskirt."
585
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:13,716
I said, "Right, Mum, I'll show you,"
I said.
586
00:39:13,810 --> 00:39:16,644
So, what I did is I took her
to King's Road in Chelsea
587
00:39:16,729 --> 00:39:18,186
on a Saturday afternoon,
588
00:39:18,857 --> 00:39:21,600
and we got out of the car
and of course, almost immediately,
589
00:39:22,277 --> 00:39:25,020
there's a young girl in a miniskirt.
590
00:39:25,113 --> 00:39:28,572
I turned to my mother and I said,
"Well, Mum, what do you think?"
591
00:39:29,450 --> 00:39:33,660
And she said, "If it's not for sale,
you shouldn't put it in the window."
592
00:39:35,164 --> 00:39:36,746
That about sums her up.
593
00:39:39,961 --> 00:39:43,250
Oh, well, fabrics are made flat
and women are round
594
00:39:43,339 --> 00:39:46,207
and there's this terrible problem
of putting the two together, you know?
595
00:39:46,551 --> 00:39:48,508
Which is why I want to make
round clothes
596
00:39:50,054 --> 00:39:51,044
with no seams,
597
00:39:51,139 --> 00:39:53,631
so that it can be rounder and
smoother than we are.
598
00:39:56,853 --> 00:39:58,515
The whole young
599
00:39:58,605 --> 00:40:00,221
London thing was happening.
600
00:40:01,357 --> 00:40:02,347
In a big way.
601
00:40:02,859 --> 00:40:04,566
And I was working with Mary Quant
602
00:40:04,694 --> 00:40:07,437
and she was working with us.
603
00:40:07,530 --> 00:40:09,396
I was doing her show,
she was doing ours,
604
00:40:09,490 --> 00:40:12,324
and we were developing this whole thing,
in a sense, together.
605
00:40:13,828 --> 00:40:16,696
I was walking down Bond Street
606
00:40:17,332 --> 00:40:19,540
and there was this stunning photograph
of a girl
607
00:40:20,251 --> 00:40:21,583
with her hair cut short
608
00:40:21,961 --> 00:40:23,327
and it said, "Vidal Sassoon."
609
00:40:23,421 --> 00:40:24,411
And I went up the steps
610
00:40:24,881 --> 00:40:26,292
and right at the top,
611
00:40:26,591 --> 00:40:27,707
there was a kind of kitchen.
612
00:40:28,468 --> 00:40:29,834
Vidal was cutting hair.
613
00:40:30,887 --> 00:40:31,877
Cuts.
614
00:40:33,348 --> 00:40:34,634
Great noise, that scissor.
615
00:40:35,141 --> 00:40:37,224
And he was chopping hair
and it was flying everywhere.
616
00:40:38,603 --> 00:40:40,595
And he was such a show-off,
as you can imagine.
617
00:40:40,688 --> 00:40:42,771
- No, I know. I knew him well, yeah.
- Yes.
618
00:40:43,441 --> 00:40:46,184
Do you remember when
we were open one week in 108?
619
00:40:46,277 --> 00:40:47,267
Right.
620
00:40:47,362 --> 00:40:49,570
And in those days,
621
00:40:49,697 --> 00:40:52,189
when we first opened, we used to
write our name in script.
622
00:40:52,867 --> 00:40:54,324
Because we thought it was very chic.
623
00:40:54,410 --> 00:40:56,117
And it was gonna look marvellous,
you know?
624
00:40:56,955 --> 00:40:59,493
And, um, the postman,
625
00:40:59,582 --> 00:41:02,575
You couldn't tell whether
the F's were L's or S's.
626
00:41:02,669 --> 00:41:04,001
You couldn't tell what they were.
627
00:41:04,087 --> 00:41:05,999
- Do you remember this, Bob?
- That's right, yeah.
628
00:41:06,089 --> 00:41:07,705
The postman came up
with the first letter
629
00:41:08,633 --> 00:41:10,465
and he'd walked up
three flights of stairs.
630
00:41:10,551 --> 00:41:12,258
And he opened the door
and in broad Cockney,
631
00:41:12,345 --> 00:41:13,335
he looked around and said,
632
00:41:13,429 --> 00:41:15,546
"Here, which one
of you lot's Vifal Faffoon?"
633
00:41:30,196 --> 00:41:32,438
Vidal Sassoon
invented the geometric,
634
00:41:32,532 --> 00:41:33,898
angled style of hairdressing.
635
00:41:34,283 --> 00:41:37,867
It was cut almost like a fabric
and it was treated like a texture
636
00:41:38,204 --> 00:41:40,662
and it was free and alive.
637
00:41:41,082 --> 00:41:44,120
And so he did the hair and,
you know, I did the outfits.
638
00:42:31,049 --> 00:42:34,588
Very often, when somebody's
had one of our haircuts,
639
00:42:35,428 --> 00:42:36,418
they come back again.
640
00:42:36,763 --> 00:42:39,130
And in two weeks' time
they've changed their shoes
641
00:42:39,223 --> 00:42:41,089
and their skirts are a little shorter.
642
00:42:41,184 --> 00:42:43,551
And within six months,
their whole look has changed.
643
00:42:43,644 --> 00:42:45,385
I think the point of clothes
644
00:42:46,481 --> 00:42:48,063
for women should be
645
00:42:48,441 --> 00:42:49,727
one, that you're noticed.
646
00:42:49,859 --> 00:42:52,442
Two, that you look sexy.
647
00:42:53,029 --> 00:42:54,736
And three, that you feel good.
648
00:42:56,282 --> 00:42:58,365
I can't see that we wear them
to keep warm.
649
00:43:45,248 --> 00:43:47,581
It's all got to stop.
They've had enough.
650
00:43:47,708 --> 00:43:48,994
The worms are turning.
651
00:43:49,085 --> 00:43:52,123
The rebellion of the long hairs
is getting underway.
652
00:43:52,213 --> 00:43:56,002
We've had comments like "Darling!" and
"Can I carry your handbag?"
653
00:43:56,259 --> 00:43:57,249
thrown at us.
654
00:43:57,385 --> 00:43:59,047
I think it just had to stop now.
655
00:43:59,137 --> 00:44:00,719
I don't like men with long hair.
656
00:44:01,764 --> 00:44:04,598
Or curlers. I like them normal.
657
00:44:05,268 --> 00:44:08,261
Well, I find it terribly difficult with
some of these long-haired young men
658
00:44:09,564 --> 00:44:11,055
to differentiate between the sexes.
659
00:44:11,149 --> 00:44:13,391
And this could be a matter
of considerable inconvenience.
660
00:44:14,318 --> 00:44:17,937
I think they're absolutely atrocious.
I like men to look like men.
661
00:44:18,114 --> 00:44:20,606
Why not for a man? Why not?
Tell me why not for a man?
662
00:44:20,700 --> 00:44:22,407
It's all right if your colours
go together.
663
00:44:22,493 --> 00:44:24,780
Why not for a man?
Any colours go together.
664
00:44:25,496 --> 00:44:27,362
That's beautiful.
What's wrong with that?
665
00:44:29,125 --> 00:44:32,084
Our parents didn't have much sex
before marriage.
666
00:44:32,795 --> 00:44:34,957
A lot of 'em didn't have
a lot of sex after marriage.
667
00:44:35,047 --> 00:44:36,879
And by the time they made
a bit of money,
668
00:44:36,966 --> 00:44:38,457
it was too late to enjoy it.
669
00:44:40,052 --> 00:44:43,341
It can't have been easy for them
to see us having so much more fun
670
00:44:43,431 --> 00:44:44,763
than they ever thought possible.
671
00:44:51,731 --> 00:44:52,721
David?
672
00:44:53,316 --> 00:44:54,306
You up there?
673
00:44:56,194 --> 00:44:58,277
Nice! Good girl. Good.
674
00:44:59,113 --> 00:45:01,981
That's good. Hold it. Good.
675
00:45:02,491 --> 00:45:03,481
Good.
676
00:45:03,743 --> 00:45:06,235
Make that... Let me... No, Deb, who told
you to move?
677
00:45:06,329 --> 00:45:07,570
Go back to where you were.
678
00:45:07,663 --> 00:45:09,746
Come on. Back to where you were. Good.
679
00:45:09,832 --> 00:45:12,620
And that flipping hand.
680
00:45:13,628 --> 00:45:16,041
Yeah. Good. There. That's good.
681
00:45:16,172 --> 00:45:17,162
Stay like that.
682
00:45:18,424 --> 00:45:21,508
I was very much influenced also
by the photographers at the time.
683
00:45:21,594 --> 00:45:25,554
The new, I suppose, typically young
Cockney photographers
684
00:45:25,890 --> 00:45:27,882
that were happening and
were our great friends.
685
00:45:27,975 --> 00:45:30,433
And I'm sure we sort of
bounced ideas off each other.
686
00:45:31,187 --> 00:45:33,429
It's the easiest thing
in the world to be a photographer.
687
00:45:33,522 --> 00:45:34,854
All you have to be is a bit rude,
688
00:45:34,941 --> 00:45:36,728
grow your hair long
and wear a leatherjacket
689
00:45:36,817 --> 00:45:39,525
and buy a Pentax and you're
a photographer, cos there's no union.
690
00:45:39,904 --> 00:45:41,861
The winsome David Bailey.
691
00:45:41,948 --> 00:45:45,191
This is marvellous. Good.
Open your mouth slightly. Good.
692
00:45:45,326 --> 00:45:46,942
David was famous for a saying.
693
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:49,953
"David Bailey makes love daily."
694
00:45:50,248 --> 00:45:52,865
He wore a vest, jeans, Cuban heels
695
00:45:53,292 --> 00:45:54,999
and had a cheese sandwich for lunch.
696
00:45:55,503 --> 00:45:58,291
And he photographed the most
beautiful women in the world.
697
00:45:59,006 --> 00:45:59,996
Lucky bugger!
698
00:46:00,424 --> 00:46:02,757
Bailey was extremely attractive.
699
00:46:03,094 --> 00:46:05,802
And every woman in the world
seemed to want to have
700
00:46:05,888 --> 00:46:07,504
a little bit of him.
701
00:46:07,598 --> 00:46:09,385
Well, a particular bit of him.
702
00:46:10,268 --> 00:46:12,100
Just stand with your legs apart
and face me.
703
00:46:20,903 --> 00:46:22,485
He came to New York
704
00:46:22,738 --> 00:46:24,821
to collect me, to take me to London.
705
00:46:25,366 --> 00:46:28,234
Completely fell in love with him
within about five minutes.
706
00:46:28,452 --> 00:46:29,442
It was pathetic.
707
00:46:29,870 --> 00:46:31,987
He sort of rang the doorbell
at my house.
708
00:46:32,373 --> 00:46:34,239
My mother came to the door,
709
00:46:34,500 --> 00:46:38,585
and as soon as she saw it was Bailey,
she tried to slam the door in his face.
710
00:46:38,671 --> 00:46:41,288
He said, "Don't worry about it, love.
Could've been worse.
711
00:46:41,632 --> 00:46:43,168
"It could've been a Rolling Stone."
712
00:46:43,634 --> 00:46:46,502
That was it. I grabbed my suitcase
and I was gone.
713
00:46:46,595 --> 00:46:48,962
Just stay like that and bring this,
714
00:46:49,265 --> 00:46:52,975
slowly bring this hand down.
More, more, more. And put it there.
715
00:46:53,811 --> 00:46:56,349
Go on. No, lower down, on your thigh,
or whatever it's called.
716
00:46:56,522 --> 00:46:57,603
Good. That's good.
717
00:46:57,857 --> 00:46:59,564
And look at me, like...
Don't twist away.
718
00:46:59,650 --> 00:47:01,186
Just keep where you are. Good girl.
719
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:02,942
Good. There. That's lovely.
720
00:47:03,404 --> 00:47:05,111
Good, angel. Yeah.
721
00:47:05,197 --> 00:47:07,063
And it's nearly right,
if that hand was nicer.
722
00:47:07,783 --> 00:47:10,116
To the public, the camera doesn't lie.
723
00:47:10,202 --> 00:47:12,615
And therefore the best photographer
is the biggest liar.
724
00:47:13,956 --> 00:47:17,370
There certainly is a school
of English photographers.
725
00:47:17,752 --> 00:47:22,838
I call them the "black trinity"
of Duffy, Donovan and Bailey.
726
00:47:23,299 --> 00:47:26,212
Keep your legs...
Swing your arms away from your body.
727
00:47:27,261 --> 00:47:28,593
Move your legs out.
728
00:47:29,555 --> 00:47:32,013
No, you've moved. Come up, come up,
come up, come up, come up.
729
00:47:32,141 --> 00:47:34,758
And what one's trying to do is to try
and make her look beautiful.
730
00:47:34,852 --> 00:47:36,593
If you don't do that,
then you'll lose out.
731
00:47:39,065 --> 00:47:41,102
And she loses out, and then it's a bore.
732
00:47:41,192 --> 00:47:45,482
I think there is an actual pleasure
in making someone look beautiful.
733
00:47:45,988 --> 00:47:47,650
Duffy's great to work with, cos he's...
734
00:47:49,992 --> 00:47:51,779
You go in there
and sort of three hours later
735
00:47:51,869 --> 00:47:54,907
when you've finished all the bottles
of wine that are lying around, you know,
736
00:47:56,540 --> 00:47:59,032
you've sort of talked about everything,
listened to 100 records
737
00:47:59,126 --> 00:48:00,458
of old war songs.
738
00:48:02,713 --> 00:48:05,126
Somebody arrives with a sort of
handful of clothes, you know.
739
00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:07,586
Out come all the paper flowers.
740
00:48:09,428 --> 00:48:12,136
And he's standing there with a camera
and you have to go on talking.
741
00:48:12,306 --> 00:48:14,798
He makes... He makes you sing, you know.
742
00:48:16,060 --> 00:48:17,722
He won't take the shot
and he gets bolshy.
743
00:48:18,312 --> 00:48:20,474
"I"m not taking the picture
unless you sing. Go on, sing."
744
00:48:20,648 --> 00:48:23,356
So you have to sing. Stand there,
singing in the studio. It's great.
745
00:48:24,193 --> 00:48:26,731
So all the pictures are sort of
dodgy birds with teeth showing,
746
00:48:27,238 --> 00:48:28,228
but they're natural.
747
00:49:07,528 --> 00:49:09,144
If women are attractive,
748
00:49:09,905 --> 00:49:11,362
doesn't matter what they're wearing.
749
00:49:11,866 --> 00:49:12,982
It's only packaging.
750
00:49:13,742 --> 00:49:15,449
Like wrapping up soap in something.
751
00:49:15,911 --> 00:49:18,654
It's not any more complicated than that.
It's nicely wrapped,
752
00:49:18,747 --> 00:49:19,737
you look.
753
00:49:20,291 --> 00:49:21,532
If not, you don't bother.
754
00:50:03,250 --> 00:50:04,491
An ideal woman?
755
00:50:04,585 --> 00:50:07,453
Well, that's sort of difficult
cos I think
756
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,293
every woman is sort of my ideal woman.
757
00:50:10,424 --> 00:50:11,915
I mean, they're all lovely.
758
00:50:12,927 --> 00:50:14,338
Some are just lovelier than others.
759
00:50:15,596 --> 00:50:17,303
Which brings us
to Jean Shrimpton.
760
00:50:17,431 --> 00:50:18,421
Yeah.
761
00:50:32,321 --> 00:50:34,779
Half the studio and there was
Duffy, photographing this girl.
762
00:50:34,990 --> 00:50:37,448
He put up a blue background,
a sky blue background.
763
00:50:37,535 --> 00:50:39,697
She had these incredible blue eyes.
764
00:50:45,459 --> 00:50:48,668
When I looked at her, I could
see through to the background.
765
00:50:49,505 --> 00:50:50,996
And I said, "Who's that?"
766
00:50:51,590 --> 00:50:53,206
He said, "Oh, it's just
a girl I booked."
767
00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:54,507
He said, "Do you like her?"
768
00:50:54,593 --> 00:50:55,583
I said, "Yeah."
769
00:50:55,886 --> 00:50:57,673
He said, "Oh, she's too
posh for you, mate."
770
00:50:57,763 --> 00:50:59,174
I said, "Oh, we'll see about that."
771
00:50:59,265 --> 00:51:00,847
He was probably right.
772
00:51:00,975 --> 00:51:03,012
And so I booked her
773
00:51:04,228 --> 00:51:05,844
and I sort of
fell in love with her, really.
774
00:51:05,938 --> 00:51:07,054
- You did, didn't you?
- Yeah.
775
00:51:07,398 --> 00:51:09,640
Being with him
is an influence, you know.
776
00:51:09,733 --> 00:51:12,316
He began to influence my movement
and my dress.
777
00:51:12,403 --> 00:51:15,362
And then when he'd get me on the set,
yeah, he'd put me into shape, you know.
778
00:51:15,447 --> 00:51:17,313
And he'd encourage certain expressions.
779
00:51:17,533 --> 00:51:20,526
Then I began to feel something inside
which I didn't know existed.
780
00:51:20,703 --> 00:51:22,740
I photographed her every day
for about three years.
781
00:51:35,092 --> 00:51:37,459
Vogue wouldn't publish
the pictures in the beginning.
782
00:51:37,553 --> 00:51:39,636
- What, of people?
- Of my pictures, yeah.
783
00:51:39,722 --> 00:51:43,215
They always wanted a tree
in the background or an armchair or...
784
00:51:43,309 --> 00:51:46,302
If I've got Jean Shrimpton, why do I
want a palm tree in the background?
785
00:51:46,395 --> 00:51:48,603
There was even models in the '60s
Vogue wouldn't use
786
00:51:48,689 --> 00:51:51,022
because they said,
"Oh, can't possibly use her.
787
00:51:51,108 --> 00:51:52,724
"Have you listened to her accent?"
788
00:51:52,860 --> 00:51:56,399
But she'll go on
until the fashions change
789
00:51:56,488 --> 00:51:58,821
or else some other star
790
00:51:58,907 --> 00:52:02,116
will suddenly come along
and take her place.
791
00:52:04,330 --> 00:52:06,071
But you were the first
792
00:52:06,540 --> 00:52:09,908
obviously Cockney young lady
to become a model.
793
00:52:10,002 --> 00:52:12,039
- Yeah.
- I mean, we heard you talk.
794
00:52:12,129 --> 00:52:15,213
I mean, mostly you didn't
hear models speak, you know.
795
00:52:15,466 --> 00:52:18,129
But then you did. I mean,
there was a whole personality...
796
00:52:18,218 --> 00:52:20,426
- comes with you.
- And they've never shut me up.
797
00:52:21,847 --> 00:52:22,928
I was at school
798
00:52:23,057 --> 00:52:24,548
and I wanted to be a model, you know.
799
00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:28,302
Cos I was thin and that. And, um,
800
00:52:29,229 --> 00:52:30,686
people said, "You ought to try it."
801
00:52:31,023 --> 00:52:32,059
And I thought it would be,
802
00:52:32,983 --> 00:52:35,771
you know, very glamorous
and all lovely clothes
803
00:52:36,487 --> 00:52:39,275
and very easy, you know, not much to do,
and lots of money.
804
00:52:39,823 --> 00:52:42,440
But it's not, really.
I mean, it's very hard work.
805
00:52:42,534 --> 00:52:44,776
If you go out on location in the winter
806
00:52:45,287 --> 00:52:47,870
in a bathing suit
or a little summer dress,
807
00:52:47,956 --> 00:52:49,447
it's blooming freezing.
808
00:52:50,501 --> 00:52:53,585
Bit more. There. Perfect.
Perfect. Marvellous.
809
00:52:54,004 --> 00:52:56,246
Twiggy's success was phenomenal.
810
00:52:56,340 --> 00:52:58,047
It went far beyond just being a model.
811
00:52:58,759 --> 00:53:01,797
In less than a year, her name,
her look, her brand
812
00:53:02,012 --> 00:53:03,093
had conquered the world.
813
00:53:03,305 --> 00:53:05,342
Do you feel out of place
814
00:53:05,933 --> 00:53:06,923
as a success
815
00:53:07,184 --> 00:53:10,643
because you started from
ordinary working class beginnings?
816
00:53:10,729 --> 00:53:11,719
No.
817
00:53:12,272 --> 00:53:13,433
No, why should I?
818
00:53:14,108 --> 00:53:15,940
And The Beatles broke down the barrier,
819
00:53:16,026 --> 00:53:17,642
you know, the class barrier
and all that.
820
00:53:17,945 --> 00:53:21,109
Yeah, I don't think it really matters
what class of family you come from.
821
00:53:21,657 --> 00:53:24,866
If you're good enough in yourjob,
you know, you make it anyway.
822
00:53:25,744 --> 00:53:28,828
She's happened
because of all that rubbish
823
00:53:28,914 --> 00:53:30,576
about swinging London.
824
00:53:30,666 --> 00:53:32,202
Yeah, I think she's a lovely model.
825
00:53:32,626 --> 00:53:35,039
Super. I mean, she's money in the bank
for photographers.
826
00:53:53,939 --> 00:53:56,056
What are your views
on serious matters?
827
00:53:57,276 --> 00:53:58,266
Like what?
828
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,443
Well, I don't know.
Who's your favourite philosopher?
829
00:54:02,281 --> 00:54:04,238
I haven't got one. I don't know any.
830
00:54:05,367 --> 00:54:06,357
Who's yours?
831
00:54:06,827 --> 00:54:09,535
Oh, I, you know, I like them all.
832
00:54:09,621 --> 00:54:10,611
Who?
833
00:54:10,831 --> 00:54:13,118
- All your basic philosophers.
- Who?
834
00:54:13,208 --> 00:54:14,198
Just all of them.
835
00:54:14,293 --> 00:54:16,410
I don't know their names, though.
What are their names?
836
00:54:17,421 --> 00:54:19,754
Oh, gee, there's a host of them.
837
00:54:32,019 --> 00:54:34,102
England, where it all began.
838
00:54:41,570 --> 00:54:44,062
I'm going to establish it
real quick.
839
00:54:45,407 --> 00:54:47,615
Portland Street
is the headquarters
840
00:54:47,701 --> 00:54:49,192
of Twiggy Enterprises.
841
00:54:52,372 --> 00:54:55,160
As short a time as six weeks
ago, we were here selling coats.
842
00:54:56,084 --> 00:54:57,666
And here you are, you see Twiggy.
843
00:54:58,962 --> 00:55:01,875
Something's been produced
in its tens and tens of thousands.
844
00:55:02,382 --> 00:55:03,918
Just too fantastic an operation.
845
00:55:04,968 --> 00:55:05,958
Don't you think?
846
00:55:06,303 --> 00:55:08,260
Have you seen all the places
we've sold to?
847
00:55:08,347 --> 00:55:09,963
Got one in Hong Kong!
848
00:55:11,683 --> 00:55:13,720
Today, these youngsters
have got a know-how.
849
00:55:15,020 --> 00:55:16,010
You know?
850
00:55:16,522 --> 00:55:18,514
And that's something that
you can't take away from them.
851
00:55:27,407 --> 00:55:29,023
I used to save
my pocket money up
852
00:55:29,159 --> 00:55:32,743
and every Saturday,
we'd run down the road
853
00:55:32,830 --> 00:55:36,824
and we'd buy something at Biba,
cos it was just, like, amazing.
854
00:55:52,099 --> 00:55:55,183
Anybody over 30
would never dare go in there.
855
00:55:55,269 --> 00:55:56,976
They used to just stay outside.
856
00:55:58,605 --> 00:56:02,724
And if clothes were being done
for girls, it was done by a woman.
857
00:56:02,943 --> 00:56:03,933
Excuse me.
858
00:56:04,152 --> 00:56:07,566
It wasn't done by
a whole load of men in suits.
859
00:56:09,032 --> 00:56:11,615
As a tourist attraction,
we were number two
860
00:56:11,827 --> 00:56:13,659
after the Tower of London.
861
00:56:14,204 --> 00:56:16,662
And Buckingham Palace was number three.
862
00:56:16,748 --> 00:56:19,536
I think that's terribly funny, you know.
863
00:56:24,172 --> 00:56:26,585
I told you before to be careful
where you put your legs.
864
00:56:26,675 --> 00:56:28,462
I was only trying to be helpful.
865
00:56:28,594 --> 00:56:29,584
I can help meself.
866
00:56:32,097 --> 00:56:33,087
Hello.
867
00:56:35,058 --> 00:56:37,141
They never make these cars big enough,
do they?
868
00:56:38,812 --> 00:56:40,599
Well, are you all settled in?
869
00:56:40,689 --> 00:56:42,772
Right, we can begin. My name is...
870
00:56:42,858 --> 00:56:43,848
Alfie?
871
00:56:44,526 --> 00:56:46,893
When I became an actor,
I didn't see myself like
872
00:56:46,987 --> 00:56:48,899
playing Hamlet or King Lear.
873
00:56:49,615 --> 00:56:50,731
All I wanted
874
00:56:50,824 --> 00:56:53,532
was a chance to get a true
Cockney character
875
00:56:53,619 --> 00:56:54,609
on the big screen.
876
00:56:55,662 --> 00:56:56,903
And I got the chance to do it.
877
00:56:59,333 --> 00:57:01,040
There is a little bit of Alfie
in everybody
878
00:57:01,126 --> 00:57:03,083
and people saw things in themselves,
879
00:57:03,170 --> 00:57:05,833
even if it was something
they didn't like. I...
880
00:57:05,923 --> 00:57:07,585
I found a lot of things in Alfie.
881
00:57:08,175 --> 00:57:10,838
Especially, as I say, I am a bachelor.
882
00:57:11,803 --> 00:57:13,169
How do you want me?
883
00:57:13,263 --> 00:57:15,300
How do I want you?
Well, I've got two positions.
884
00:57:15,474 --> 00:57:18,433
Straight up or sideways,
depending on your nationality.
885
00:57:18,602 --> 00:57:20,559
I tell you what,
I'll have you against the ships.
886
00:57:21,104 --> 00:57:23,562
All right, I've always been
partial to the Navy.
887
00:57:25,233 --> 00:57:26,895
Now, you look a real treat there,
you do.
888
00:57:26,985 --> 00:57:28,772
But you see, of course,
you can't play Alfie
889
00:57:28,862 --> 00:57:30,899
and be Alfie at the same time,
890
00:57:30,989 --> 00:57:33,402
because playing those parts,
it takes up too much of your time.
891
00:57:33,492 --> 00:57:34,653
You have to go to bed early.
892
00:57:35,118 --> 00:57:37,861
I don't think I went out with one girl
the whole time I was making Alfie.
893
00:57:39,623 --> 00:57:40,784
I did when I was finished.
894
00:57:43,585 --> 00:57:46,077
We used to call girls,
I know it's very male chauvinist,
895
00:57:46,171 --> 00:57:48,003
and I'm sorry, ladies,
I don't do it any more.
896
00:57:48,090 --> 00:57:49,297
We used to call girls "birds".
897
00:57:49,925 --> 00:57:53,714
Or in rhyming slang, "Richards",
which is Richard III's, birds.
898
00:57:53,804 --> 00:57:54,794
Coffee, love?
899
00:57:56,014 --> 00:57:58,301
And my flatmate
was very much a ladies' man.
900
00:57:58,767 --> 00:58:00,008
He had all the Richards.
901
00:58:00,268 --> 00:58:01,759
So, our flat became like an airport.
902
00:58:01,853 --> 00:58:03,310
The birds came flying through there
903
00:58:03,397 --> 00:58:05,138
and I became a sort of
flight controller,
904
00:58:06,191 --> 00:58:08,103
bringing 'em in
and getting 'em out safely,
905
00:58:08,193 --> 00:58:10,059
and so that no one saw each other
and all that.
906
00:58:12,531 --> 00:58:15,774
I was living with
my then girlfriend, Jane Asher.
907
00:58:16,118 --> 00:58:18,235
Who I made Alfie...
And I met you on the set
908
00:58:18,370 --> 00:58:20,157
cos you used to come
on the set for lunch.
909
00:58:20,247 --> 00:58:22,034
You did Alfie
with her, yeah.
910
00:58:22,124 --> 00:58:25,959
And so I was staying at Jane's
and going out with her.
911
00:58:26,044 --> 00:58:27,034
But I had a piano.
912
00:58:27,129 --> 00:58:28,586
I was living up at the top of the house
913
00:58:28,672 --> 00:58:30,379
and I had a little piano in there.
914
00:58:30,465 --> 00:58:32,548
So, John might write one on his own.
915
00:58:32,634 --> 00:58:34,967
I might write one on my own,
so that started to happen.
916
00:58:35,262 --> 00:58:38,130
But we'd always bring it back to each
other and finish it together.
917
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:43,218
We thought after
following Buddy Holly records
918
00:58:43,437 --> 00:58:46,225
and seeing how they were made
through playing them, you know,
919
00:58:46,356 --> 00:58:48,018
"Oh, maybe we can write this, you know?"
920
00:58:48,525 --> 00:58:51,188
Well, maybe instead of singing
"Going back to Alabam" ',
921
00:58:51,945 --> 00:58:54,028
we can sing something about Liverpool,
you know?
922
00:58:54,698 --> 00:58:57,441
So it was just after we'd learnt how to,
you know...
923
00:58:57,534 --> 00:59:00,277
Oh, you do this, and you do this
and how to make the music,
924
00:59:00,620 --> 00:59:02,828
we thought, "Oh, we'll
write about ourselves," you know?
925
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,408
And of course,
the first efforts were more dumb
926
00:59:06,543 --> 00:59:08,330
or childish than the later efforts.
927
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:10,502
We'd sit down to write.
928
00:59:10,589 --> 00:59:14,208
And I think we wrote just short of
300 songs together.
929
00:59:14,301 --> 00:59:15,542
Over the period.
930
00:59:16,261 --> 00:59:19,129
And whenever we had a writing session,
931
00:59:19,222 --> 00:59:21,589
always come up with these songs
every time.
932
00:59:21,683 --> 00:59:24,721
We never left a session going,
"We'll finish it tomorrow."
933
00:59:25,395 --> 00:59:27,637
All these songs just came
out of me, you know?
934
00:59:28,648 --> 00:59:30,605
I didn't sit down to think
I'm gonna write about
935
00:59:31,234 --> 00:59:32,224
this, that or the other.
936
00:59:32,319 --> 00:59:33,526
They all came out, you know,
937
00:59:33,612 --> 00:59:36,229
like all the best work of anybody's
ever does, you know?
938
00:59:37,199 --> 00:59:38,735
No sense of competition
or anything?
939
00:59:38,825 --> 00:59:41,192
Oh, no, there was
a big sense of competition.
940
00:59:41,286 --> 00:59:43,403
- Oh, yeah.
- Really?
941
00:59:43,497 --> 00:59:46,786
- Come on! Young guys, both writers.
- Yeah.
942
00:59:47,209 --> 00:59:49,041
No, it was great.
It was really good for us,
943
00:59:49,127 --> 00:59:50,914
and you know, John would say later,
he'd say,
944
00:59:51,379 --> 00:59:53,371
"Bloody hell!" You know,
he'd hear one of my songs
945
00:59:53,507 --> 00:59:55,590
and go, "Bloody hell,
I've gotta write a better one."
946
00:59:56,093 --> 00:59:57,504
- It was like a nuisance.
- Yeah.
947
00:59:57,594 --> 01:00:00,257
And then I'd hear one of his
and go, "Oh, bollocks!"
948
01:00:00,847 --> 01:00:05,217
The taxi driver the other day had some
sheet music of a Mozart thing,
949
01:00:05,685 --> 01:00:07,142
and I said, "What's that?" You know.
950
01:00:07,354 --> 01:00:08,344
And he said, "Oh."
951
01:00:08,438 --> 01:00:10,145
He said,
"Oh, that's the high-class stuff.
952
01:00:10,232 --> 01:00:11,222
"You won't like that."
953
01:00:11,316 --> 01:00:12,898
He said, "No, no, you won't like that."
954
01:00:12,984 --> 01:00:14,600
And I said, "Well, what is it?"
You know.
955
01:00:14,694 --> 01:00:16,185
He said, "Oh, no, you won't like it.
956
01:00:16,321 --> 01:00:17,937
"You know, it's high-class, that.
957
01:00:18,031 --> 01:00:19,238
"It's very high-brow."
958
01:00:19,783 --> 01:00:22,992
And that kind of way,
I always used to think of it.
959
01:00:23,078 --> 01:00:25,821
I used to think, "Well, you know,
that's very clever, all that stuff."
960
01:00:26,248 --> 01:00:28,615
And it isn't, you know.
It's just exactly what's going on
961
01:00:28,708 --> 01:00:29,949
in pop at the moment.
962
01:00:30,043 --> 01:00:32,751
Pop music is the classical music of now.
963
01:00:33,380 --> 01:00:34,837
All of a sudden,
964
01:00:34,923 --> 01:00:36,414
there was a bunch of people in London
965
01:00:36,508 --> 01:00:40,548
who were considered the most interesting
and glamorous people on the planet.
966
01:00:41,221 --> 01:00:44,009
And when people became famous
in Britain,
967
01:00:44,099 --> 01:00:45,510
they had one thought in mind.
968
01:00:46,268 --> 01:00:47,258
America.
969
01:00:47,811 --> 01:00:50,144
And they took the party across the pond.
970
01:00:50,230 --> 01:00:52,563
And the British invasion
didn't just include bands.
971
01:00:52,649 --> 01:00:56,859
It was writers, designers, artists,
actors like myself.
972
01:01:04,536 --> 01:01:05,617
Here they come!
973
01:02:06,264 --> 01:02:08,472
The people that started
the English invasion,
974
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:10,808
the effect here in the United States,
phenomenal.
975
01:02:49,182 --> 01:02:53,142
And now, to be Cockney
is right at the top, isn't it?
976
01:02:53,353 --> 01:02:55,140
- Yeah, it helps a little.
- Yeah, yeah.
977
01:02:55,230 --> 01:02:57,096
It's not doing me any harm
in America.
978
01:02:57,190 --> 01:02:58,180
I know.
979
01:03:03,738 --> 01:03:05,195
His name is Michael Caine.
980
01:03:05,657 --> 01:03:06,647
Michael Caine.
981
01:03:41,901 --> 01:03:44,439
I don't know, you know,
if you can say that war's no good
982
01:03:44,529 --> 01:03:47,067
and a few people believe you,
then it may be good. I don't know.
983
01:03:47,157 --> 01:03:49,114
You can't say it too much, though,
that's the trouble.
984
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:50,566
Seems a bit silly
to be in America
985
01:03:50,660 --> 01:03:53,744
and for none of them to mention Vietnam
as if nothing was happening.
986
01:03:55,081 --> 01:03:56,913
And the kids wanna be free, man.
987
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,957
Like, that's where it's at.
988
01:03:59,044 --> 01:04:01,286
Youth is always
an exciting time.
989
01:04:01,379 --> 01:04:04,463
Well, it's certainly
more exciting than it ever was before.
990
01:04:04,883 --> 01:04:07,591
You can do anything,
that makes it exciting.
991
01:04:07,677 --> 01:04:09,088
Everything's constantly changing
992
01:04:09,179 --> 01:04:11,216
and attitudes are constantly changing.
993
01:04:11,306 --> 01:04:12,717
Well, everything is happening.
994
01:04:12,807 --> 01:04:15,140
Everything is happening
all over the world.
995
01:04:18,438 --> 01:04:20,304
Right over there,
the little girl running down,
996
01:04:20,398 --> 01:04:22,139
the famous model
just came here from Europe.
997
01:04:22,233 --> 01:04:23,519
What do you think of her?
998
01:04:23,610 --> 01:04:25,602
- What do I think of her?
- I think she's cute but I...
999
01:04:25,695 --> 01:04:29,359
I think she's cute, except she's...
1000
01:04:29,449 --> 01:04:31,987
I don't know. It'll last a couple of
weeks, like everything else.
1001
01:04:32,077 --> 01:04:33,067
Will it?
1002
01:04:34,496 --> 01:04:36,283
To think that our next generation
1003
01:04:36,373 --> 01:04:38,205
is supposed to be
taking care of this country.
1004
01:04:38,375 --> 01:04:40,367
They don't take no pride
in anything, hardly.
1005
01:04:40,460 --> 01:04:43,373
I think we have to find out
who is to blame for it all.
1006
01:04:44,255 --> 01:04:47,293
When they look at me,
and I happen to have long hair
1007
01:04:47,384 --> 01:04:50,047
and wear kinda freaky clothes,
they really hate me.
1008
01:04:50,136 --> 01:04:52,753
You can look
and you see this hatred in their eyes.
1009
01:05:04,484 --> 01:05:06,897
Back home,
all was not as it seemed.
1010
01:05:15,036 --> 01:05:17,403
It became clear
that there was now a campaign
1011
01:05:17,705 --> 01:05:20,948
to bring down those
the establishment were thinking
1012
01:05:21,543 --> 01:05:23,409
were corrupting youth.
1013
01:05:23,503 --> 01:05:25,415
The youth didn't need
much corrupting, actually.
1014
01:05:25,505 --> 01:05:28,543
They were corrupting themselves
all up and down the country,
1015
01:05:29,092 --> 01:05:30,549
in the newfound freedom,
1016
01:05:30,718 --> 01:05:32,129
communicating with music
1017
01:05:32,345 --> 01:05:33,881
and smoking a bit of dope.
1018
01:05:35,306 --> 01:05:37,298
A brain under the influence of marijuana
1019
01:05:37,392 --> 01:05:39,384
distorts the sense of space and time.
1020
01:05:39,894 --> 01:05:43,353
Whether it's pills or LSD or cannabis,
1021
01:05:44,107 --> 01:05:46,690
the use of drugs as
a central part of youth culture
1022
01:05:46,776 --> 01:05:49,610
becomes very important
in the last two or three years.
1023
01:05:49,821 --> 01:05:51,562
I only smoked marijuana once
1024
01:05:51,656 --> 01:05:53,693
and I laughed for five hours.
1025
01:05:55,493 --> 01:05:56,779
I couldn't get a taxi home.
1026
01:05:57,454 --> 01:05:58,444
I had to walk.
1027
01:05:59,706 --> 01:06:01,368
I never smoked marijuana again.
1028
01:06:02,375 --> 01:06:03,365
Honest.
1029
01:06:05,211 --> 01:06:07,498
It was the Mods who started it,
you know.
1030
01:06:07,589 --> 01:06:10,206
Purple hearts, amphetamines, speed.
1031
01:06:10,842 --> 01:06:13,676
But there was nothing new in that.
People used to take them in the war
1032
01:06:13,845 --> 01:06:14,835
to stay awake.
1033
01:06:15,263 --> 01:06:17,050
But they used to take
one or two tablets.
1034
01:06:17,849 --> 01:06:19,761
The Mods took them by the jarful.
1035
01:06:21,186 --> 01:06:23,644
All I really cared about
in those days was being...
1036
01:06:23,897 --> 01:06:26,230
The band being good.
I'd started this band.
1037
01:06:26,483 --> 01:06:28,691
And I couldn't take them.
They used to dry me up.
1038
01:06:28,860 --> 01:06:30,146
- And so I couldn't sing.
- Really?
1039
01:06:30,236 --> 01:06:32,523
I thought, "Well, these are
no good for me, I can't sing.
1040
01:06:32,614 --> 01:06:33,821
"There's no point doing this."
1041
01:06:33,907 --> 01:06:34,897
So, I had to be straight.
1042
01:06:36,117 --> 01:06:38,825
We played one gig, it was just so bad.
1043
01:06:39,537 --> 01:06:42,621
The band had been up for three days.
1044
01:06:42,707 --> 01:06:45,040
They'd started to take
more and more pills.
1045
01:06:45,126 --> 01:06:46,833
The songs are getting faster and faster
1046
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:48,877
so I can't get the words in.
1047
01:06:48,963 --> 01:06:52,252
I mean, oh, my God, the state of us.
Literally, it was so awful
1048
01:06:53,259 --> 01:06:57,128
I came off the stage
in just a terrible temper.
1049
01:07:01,100 --> 01:07:03,387
I've been on pills
since I was 15 or...
1050
01:07:03,478 --> 01:07:05,014
no, since I was 17.
1051
01:07:05,563 --> 01:07:07,350
Since I became a musician.
1052
01:07:07,815 --> 01:07:10,307
The only way to survive in Hamburg,
to play eight hours a night,
1053
01:07:10,401 --> 01:07:11,892
was to take pills.
1054
01:07:11,986 --> 01:07:14,103
I've always needed a drug to survive.
1055
01:07:14,572 --> 01:07:16,029
I can't... You know.
1056
01:07:16,115 --> 01:07:18,198
The others, too.
But I always had more, you know.
1057
01:07:18,284 --> 01:07:19,866
I always took more pills
1058
01:07:19,953 --> 01:07:22,195
and more of everything,
cos I'm more crazy.
1059
01:07:22,288 --> 01:07:24,075
Do you rely on drugs
to keep you going?
1060
01:07:24,165 --> 01:07:25,701
No, it just means that,
1061
01:07:25,792 --> 01:07:29,035
you know,
there are certain things which,
1062
01:07:29,128 --> 01:07:32,371
more levels of perception which
are opened up by certain drugs.
1063
01:07:32,465 --> 01:07:33,751
To many youngsters,
the glamour drugs
1064
01:07:33,841 --> 01:07:36,003
are those which produce hallucinations.
1065
01:07:36,803 --> 01:07:39,090
The best known are marijuana and LSD.
1066
01:07:39,722 --> 01:07:42,009
Huxley wrote these two books, he wrote
1067
01:07:42,308 --> 01:07:44,300
Heaven and Hell and Doors of Perception.
1068
01:07:44,936 --> 01:07:49,397
And of the two, people have taken
Heaven and Hell as the symbol,
1069
01:07:49,482 --> 01:07:51,519
and they've taken the wrong one.
1070
01:07:51,609 --> 01:07:56,070
Because the one that...
The really explicit phrase
1071
01:07:56,197 --> 01:07:59,565
is "doors of perception",
and that is what drugs are.
1072
01:07:59,659 --> 01:08:01,150
They are the doors.
1073
01:08:01,244 --> 01:08:02,576
They're not anywhere.
1074
01:08:02,662 --> 01:08:06,406
I mean, you don't go anywhere.
You just see a crack,
1075
01:08:06,499 --> 01:08:07,706
like I'm looking through.
1076
01:08:07,834 --> 01:08:11,168
That the state that we should be in
is perfection.
1077
01:08:11,254 --> 01:08:13,211
And that the reason we're here
is to find it.
1078
01:09:08,645 --> 01:09:11,638
If you haven't heard of LSD, you will.
1079
01:09:11,731 --> 01:09:14,599
They can take it if they want,
we can't prevent them,
1080
01:09:14,692 --> 01:09:16,308
but they're really
fooling with dynamite.
1081
01:09:20,198 --> 01:09:23,066
Giving us a world
we can't handle as it is,
1082
01:09:24,494 --> 01:09:26,360
so we're gonna change it.
1083
01:09:26,454 --> 01:09:28,741
Because they have shaped their world,
1084
01:09:29,624 --> 01:09:33,038
our world, into what it is
with guns and bombs.
1085
01:09:33,127 --> 01:09:38,043
It's obvious to our generation
that their way doesn't work.
1086
01:09:38,132 --> 01:09:40,169
It hasn't worked.
It isn't going to work.
1087
01:09:41,386 --> 01:09:43,878
So, a change has to be made.
1088
01:09:43,971 --> 01:09:47,135
And if somebody has to get
turned upside-down to do it,
1089
01:09:48,184 --> 01:09:49,766
well, then.
1090
01:09:50,770 --> 01:09:53,262
The people who lived
through the LSD experience
1091
01:09:53,356 --> 01:09:56,440
went through a complete
facet of learning, you know.
1092
01:09:57,276 --> 01:09:59,893
And it's just, you know,
it must have been done
1093
01:09:59,987 --> 01:10:02,320
some other way when me father was a kid.
1094
01:10:02,782 --> 01:10:04,398
Maybe they did it by going to war.
1095
01:10:05,034 --> 01:10:07,617
The kids who take LSD
aren't gonna fight your wars,
1096
01:10:07,787 --> 01:10:10,450
middle-class, middle-aged,
whisky-drinking generals.
1097
01:10:10,540 --> 01:10:13,248
Uh, they're not going to
join your corporations,
1098
01:10:13,334 --> 01:10:16,827
middle-class, middle-aged,
whisky-drinking corporation presidents.
1099
01:10:58,087 --> 01:11:03,173
They need to come down and sort
these bastards out. Get 'em out!
1100
01:11:03,634 --> 01:11:05,671
Bring them down the canal
and drown them.
1101
01:11:06,262 --> 01:11:08,504
Drown them,
that's what you wanna do with them.
1102
01:11:10,099 --> 01:11:13,513
Communist muck. Get rid of them.
1103
01:11:41,380 --> 01:11:44,919
I haven't got their morals,
and they haven't got mine.
1104
01:11:46,677 --> 01:11:48,714
They've got all these rules
for everything.
1105
01:11:48,805 --> 01:11:51,923
Rules of how to live, how to paint,
how to make music.
1106
01:11:52,934 --> 01:11:54,300
And it's just not true any more.
1107
01:11:54,727 --> 01:11:56,218
The government
doesn't exist for us,
1108
01:11:56,521 --> 01:11:57,557
they exist for themselves.
1109
01:11:58,189 --> 01:11:59,930
Sooner or later,
the government is gonna find
1110
01:12:00,024 --> 01:12:02,892
that there's something going on
that they've got no control over at all.
1111
01:12:04,028 --> 01:12:06,395
They haven't been
fucked since Cromwell, man.
1112
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:09,903
Youth thinks itself wise
1113
01:12:09,992 --> 01:12:13,281
just as drunk men
think themselves sober.
1114
01:12:14,705 --> 01:12:17,413
Youth knows nothing about anything
except on massive clichés.
1115
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:22,328
The permissive society
is considered by some youngsters
1116
01:12:22,463 --> 01:12:24,295
to be trendy and with it.
1117
01:12:24,382 --> 01:12:29,468
Personally, I consider it condones
moral laxity and promiscuity,
1118
01:12:29,971 --> 01:12:32,805
it leads to uncertainty and instability,
1119
01:12:33,182 --> 01:12:35,925
a soggy mind and mental impoverishment
1120
01:12:36,561 --> 01:12:39,099
and contains all the disruptive elements
1121
01:12:39,230 --> 01:12:43,099
which would tear down
the pillars of our society.
1122
01:12:43,860 --> 01:12:46,227
It really is about time we realised
1123
01:12:46,404 --> 01:12:51,741
that the fault lies in the fact that
we have created a permissive society.
1124
01:12:52,827 --> 01:12:57,037
Now, the epidemic drug taking
in this country
1125
01:12:57,123 --> 01:13:00,332
is now so extensive that many of you,
1126
01:13:01,419 --> 01:13:03,786
whatever your jobs,
will have come across it.
1127
01:13:04,213 --> 01:13:08,878
We must rid the country of this
insidious disease of "don't care".
1128
01:13:15,099 --> 01:13:16,931
And I was the first
to be busted.
1129
01:13:23,691 --> 01:13:25,148
What do you know of this Donovan?
1130
01:13:26,652 --> 01:13:29,190
I've had him on the special
attention list for some time.
1131
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:30,270
Right.
1132
01:13:30,364 --> 01:13:33,607
That next day, when we were
let out at 4:00 in the morning,
1133
01:13:33,784 --> 01:13:35,696
the phone rang,
and it was George Harrison.
1134
01:13:35,786 --> 01:13:38,779
And he said, "Is everything all right?"
1135
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,578
I said, "Yeah, we're out."
1136
01:13:42,501 --> 01:13:43,662
He said, "What you gonna do?"
1137
01:13:43,753 --> 01:13:46,211
I said, "We're gonna go away
for a while."
1138
01:13:47,048 --> 01:13:50,212
He said, "If you want
£10,000 by 12 noon..."
1139
01:13:50,968 --> 01:13:52,584
I said, "No, I'm OK with the money.
1140
01:13:53,763 --> 01:13:56,096
"We're gonna go to Scotland
until it blows over."
1141
01:13:57,141 --> 01:13:59,884
He said, "It'll never blow over, Don.
1142
01:13:59,977 --> 01:14:01,468
"We'll be next."
1143
01:14:01,562 --> 01:14:03,849
Paul, how often
have you taken LSD?
1144
01:14:06,192 --> 01:14:07,182
About four times.
1145
01:14:08,235 --> 01:14:09,442
And where did you get it from?
1146
01:14:10,446 --> 01:14:12,859
Oh, you know, I mean,
if I was to say where I'd got it from,
1147
01:14:12,949 --> 01:14:14,485
you know, it's illegal and everything.
1148
01:14:14,575 --> 01:14:16,908
It's silly to say that,
so I'd rather not say that.
1149
01:14:17,244 --> 01:14:20,863
Don't you believe that this was a matter
which you should have kept private?
1150
01:14:21,374 --> 01:14:23,582
I mean, you're spreading this now,
at this moment.
1151
01:14:24,210 --> 01:14:26,998
This is going into all the homes,
you know, in Britain.
1152
01:14:28,047 --> 01:14:30,004
And I'd rather it didn't, you know.
1153
01:14:30,091 --> 01:14:32,458
But you're asking me the question.
You want me to be honest.
1154
01:14:32,593 --> 01:14:33,583
I'll be honest, you know?
1155
01:14:34,303 --> 01:14:37,046
But as a public figure,
surely you've got a responsibility
1156
01:14:37,139 --> 01:14:40,849
- to lots and lots of teenagers?
- No, it's you've got the responsibility.
1157
01:14:40,935 --> 01:14:43,552
You've got the responsibility
not to spread this now.
1158
01:14:44,271 --> 01:14:47,435
You know, I'm quite prepared
to keep it as a very personal thing.
1159
01:14:47,817 --> 01:14:49,149
If you will, too.
1160
01:14:49,610 --> 01:14:52,353
What I do with things is
I look at examples
1161
01:14:52,905 --> 01:14:53,895
of people who do things.
1162
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:57,734
If I saw somebody
who took drugs who became
1163
01:14:58,327 --> 01:15:02,037
more intelligent, nicer,
earned more money, more handsome,
1164
01:15:02,123 --> 01:15:05,582
a better lover or got
a better physique through it
1165
01:15:05,668 --> 01:15:07,125
and he set a good example,
1166
01:15:07,211 --> 01:15:09,999
I would be the first to take drugs,
and suggest everybody else should.
1167
01:15:10,506 --> 01:15:13,795
But most of the people I know
who've taken drugs over a period of time
1168
01:15:13,884 --> 01:15:16,422
seem to have gone to wrack and ruin
and I don't wanna go there.
1169
01:15:16,554 --> 01:15:19,513
I never wanted to
talk about drugs in public
1170
01:15:19,598 --> 01:15:21,806
because I don't want to
influence anybody
1171
01:15:22,852 --> 01:15:23,842
in anything.
1172
01:15:24,395 --> 01:15:26,978
But if you ask me,
I guess I have to say that
1173
01:15:27,064 --> 01:15:29,477
of course I took drugs, like everyone.
1174
01:15:30,609 --> 01:15:32,191
But not because of everyone.
1175
01:15:40,870 --> 01:15:43,237
It came from the FBI to MI5 to the...
1176
01:15:43,330 --> 01:15:44,320
Really?
1177
01:15:44,415 --> 01:15:48,034
- Yes! It's like one of your films, man.
- It sounds like it!
1178
01:15:55,426 --> 01:15:58,043
You know, we say there were
300 people in the '60s
1179
01:15:58,220 --> 01:16:00,587
and all the people who said
they were at the Redlands bust,
1180
01:16:01,098 --> 01:16:04,262
we would have had to have
a marquee on the lawn, you know.
1181
01:16:04,351 --> 01:16:06,138
It was basically a party
1182
01:16:06,645 --> 01:16:09,638
where good friends got together
to take a bit of LSD.
1183
01:16:16,614 --> 01:16:18,230
That was one of my first trips.
1184
01:16:18,324 --> 01:16:20,782
It was a pretty rough experience,
actually...
1185
01:16:20,868 --> 01:16:22,951
- Yeah.
- ...to have 25 cops walk in.
1186
01:16:23,037 --> 01:16:26,906
- Is that what happened?
- Yeah, and I was rather naughty, too.
1187
01:16:27,875 --> 01:16:29,286
- I'd gone to have a bath.
- Yeah.
1188
01:16:30,669 --> 01:16:33,161
- I was in a fur rug.
- And nothing else?
1189
01:16:33,255 --> 01:16:35,793
And I dropped the fur rug.
1190
01:16:35,966 --> 01:16:38,709
- And gave a flash at the constabulary.
- At the coppers?
1191
01:16:38,969 --> 01:16:41,507
And they were so stunned, you know.
1192
01:16:41,597 --> 01:16:42,758
I was showing off, wasn't I?
1193
01:16:42,932 --> 01:16:45,970
Yeah, obviously. And why not?
You were young, beautiful.
1194
01:16:46,060 --> 01:16:48,723
I was beautiful,
I was naked, I was in a fur rug.
1195
01:16:48,813 --> 01:16:52,056
Hey! And I was naughty and defiant.
1196
01:16:53,901 --> 01:16:56,769
Evidence that an unnamed naked woman
1197
01:16:56,904 --> 01:16:59,487
was sitting on a sofa
with a rug around her
1198
01:16:59,573 --> 01:17:03,863
when police raided Keith Richards' house
at West Wittering
1199
01:17:03,953 --> 01:17:05,319
was given in court today.
1200
01:17:05,412 --> 01:17:06,744
First of all,
they don't like
1201
01:17:06,831 --> 01:17:08,242
young kids with a lot of money,
you know?
1202
01:17:08,332 --> 01:17:09,448
They don't like that anyway.
1203
01:17:09,542 --> 01:17:12,876
But as long as you're sort of cool
and do your, you know,
1204
01:17:13,212 --> 01:17:14,202
and don't...
1205
01:17:16,549 --> 01:17:18,791
bother them, you know.
But we bothered 'em.
1206
01:17:18,884 --> 01:17:20,091
You know, we bothered them
1207
01:17:21,387 --> 01:17:23,970
because of the way we look,
because of the way we act, because...
1208
01:17:24,723 --> 01:17:27,090
And we never showed any
reverence for them whatsoever.
1209
01:17:27,226 --> 01:17:31,266
This is not Golden Gate Park
or Central Park,
1210
01:17:31,647 --> 01:17:33,684
this is Hyde Park in London.
1211
01:17:34,567 --> 01:17:36,399
And these are British hippies
1212
01:17:36,569 --> 01:17:39,186
gathered to protest the heavy sentences
1213
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:40,987
against two Rolling Stones.
1214
01:17:41,323 --> 01:17:45,363
Mick Jagger, for having four tablets
of Benzedrine in his pocket
1215
01:17:45,744 --> 01:17:48,908
and Keith Richards,
for allowing his premises
1216
01:17:48,998 --> 01:17:51,160
to be used for the smoking of marijuana.
1217
01:17:53,502 --> 01:17:57,121
And then I started getting
poisonous letters,
1218
01:17:58,257 --> 01:18:01,750
basically saying,
"The sooner you die, the better."
1219
01:18:02,970 --> 01:18:05,713
You know, "You are a contamination
on our island's shores."
1220
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:09,887
And I took all this very much to heart.
1221
01:18:26,911 --> 01:18:29,904
And I thought
I would die and I almost welcomed it.
1222
01:18:29,997 --> 01:18:32,489
But I started to get into hard drugs
1223
01:18:32,583 --> 01:18:33,664
and that's what did it.
1224
01:18:35,669 --> 01:18:38,958
There was a feeling
that something special was over.
1225
01:18:40,216 --> 01:18:41,673
We'd pushed for change,
1226
01:18:42,885 --> 01:18:45,218
now change was pushing us.
1227
01:18:46,847 --> 01:18:48,759
Maybe, for some of us,
1228
01:18:49,975 --> 01:18:51,557
the party had gone on too long.
1229
01:18:58,651 --> 01:19:01,143
We'd sort of done
everything we'd wanted to do.
1230
01:19:01,987 --> 01:19:05,276
We were getting a bit fed up of
having to have a group mentality,
1231
01:19:05,658 --> 01:19:07,445
so we were pissing each other off.
1232
01:19:40,276 --> 01:19:42,859
Although it was a shock
when it actually happened,
1233
01:19:43,362 --> 01:19:45,604
nobody was really that surprised,
you know.
1234
01:19:46,031 --> 01:19:47,522
Everybody knows people that...
1235
01:19:48,117 --> 01:19:50,234
You just have that feeling
that they're not gonna be,
1236
01:19:50,369 --> 01:19:53,077
they're not gonna be 70 years old,
ever, you know.
1237
01:19:53,163 --> 01:19:55,405
Not everybody makes it, you know.
1238
01:20:00,170 --> 01:20:03,538
Looking back, what strikes
me most about the '60s
1239
01:20:03,632 --> 01:20:05,373
is that it was a time,
1240
01:20:05,467 --> 01:20:06,924
maybe the first time,
1241
01:20:07,011 --> 01:20:09,378
when the future was shaped
by young people.
1242
01:20:10,180 --> 01:20:13,514
We were utterly convinced that it was
our time.
1243
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:15,216
The best time of our lives.
1244
01:20:18,230 --> 01:20:20,313
Youth is not a time of life,
1245
01:20:20,399 --> 01:20:21,856
it's a state of mind.
1246
01:20:38,625 --> 01:20:41,618
So, they, whoever they are,
don't stand a chance,
1247
01:20:41,712 --> 01:20:43,078
because they can't beat love.
1248
01:20:58,687 --> 01:21:02,180
Never look back in anger,
always look forward in hope.
1249
01:21:03,984 --> 01:21:07,352
And never, ever, ever dream small.
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