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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.BZ 2 00:00:02,180 --> 00:00:04,410 (film whirring) (timer beeping) 3 00:00:04,460 --> 00:00:08,543 (inspirational orchestral music) 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.BZ 5 00:00:44,140 --> 00:00:46,440 - Theaters are magic. 6 00:00:46,490 --> 00:00:49,677 You go into a theater and I don't care if it's a small, 7 00:00:49,727 --> 00:00:52,960 little local one in your hometown or something 8 00:00:53,010 --> 00:00:56,180 as grand as Radio City Music Hall. 9 00:00:56,230 --> 00:00:59,630 When you're in the music hall and the lights go down, 10 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,470 it becomes intimate 11 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,003 and fascinating and magical. 12 00:01:13,490 --> 00:01:15,490 - So many people identify movies with some 13 00:01:15,540 --> 00:01:16,890 of the best times of their lives. 14 00:01:16,940 --> 00:01:18,190 They remember their first dates. 15 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,070 They remember their first time out with their family, 16 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,920 their first time they went to see a movie about being 17 00:01:22,970 --> 00:01:25,840 a doctor, being a politician, being an astronaut. 18 00:01:25,890 --> 00:01:29,973 (inspirational orchestral music) 19 00:01:32,300 --> 00:01:34,630 - There's something about seeing those stories 20 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,710 on screen and you get a chance to understand 21 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,550 other cultures, other experiences, other places. 22 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,320 - We may never live those fantasies or those lives 23 00:01:45,370 --> 00:01:48,303 of the people we're watching, but we do it vicariously. 24 00:01:52,070 --> 00:01:55,070 - You are giving people a complete escape 25 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,160 from their ordinary lives. 26 00:01:57,210 --> 00:02:00,650 From the moment you walk into the lobby: plush carpeting, 27 00:02:00,700 --> 00:02:03,790 gilded leaf-work on the walls and on the ceilings, 28 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,690 magnificent chandeliers, decor from different periods 29 00:02:07,740 --> 00:02:10,440 of art and architecture around the globe. 30 00:02:10,490 --> 00:02:12,390 This at a time when most people, 31 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,040 most Americans, didn't have the opportunity to travel. 32 00:02:15,090 --> 00:02:17,330 - They were places where the rich and the poor 33 00:02:17,380 --> 00:02:18,870 could rub elbows. 34 00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:21,780 - They built these palaces to be the Disney of the day, 35 00:02:21,830 --> 00:02:24,470 so that you walk in off the street and you forget all 36 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,500 of the troubles and all of the things that you had 37 00:02:26,550 --> 00:02:28,890 going on in your life because you're surrounded 38 00:02:28,940 --> 00:02:30,860 by this magnificent building. 39 00:02:30,910 --> 00:02:34,243 (soft orchestral music) 40 00:02:35,300 --> 00:02:37,030 - I remember coming here as a child 41 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,130 and just being completely amazed and taken aback 42 00:02:41,180 --> 00:02:43,403 by the ornate beauty of the building. 43 00:02:48,100 --> 00:02:49,450 - When I first started my job 44 00:02:49,500 --> 00:02:51,630 at Theater Historical Society, it was kind 45 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,530 of eyeopening for me to learn that the places 46 00:02:54,580 --> 00:02:57,070 that I went to to see Broadway touring shows 47 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,130 with a symphony were actually buildings that were 48 00:02:59,180 --> 00:03:01,143 built as movies palaces. 49 00:03:05,500 --> 00:03:07,510 - Toward the end of World War I up 50 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,070 through the Depression, which is the early '30s, 51 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:11,970 there was just a boom. 52 00:03:12,020 --> 00:03:14,260 That's the only way to describe it: a boom that led 53 00:03:14,310 --> 00:03:17,540 to the building of enumerable movie palaces. 54 00:03:17,590 --> 00:03:20,660 Not theaters but palaces, and ones you can visit today 55 00:03:20,710 --> 00:03:23,393 and still see and still enjoy a movie in. 56 00:03:30,665 --> 00:03:32,920 It seems so incredibly lavish. 57 00:03:32,970 --> 00:03:35,850 You wonder how anybody could conceive of them 58 00:03:35,900 --> 00:03:38,730 or why they would build such structures just to go 59 00:03:38,780 --> 00:03:40,145 to the movies. 60 00:03:40,195 --> 00:03:42,510 (soft piano music) 61 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,457 As Marcus Loew, the famous showman and businessman said, 62 00:03:46,507 --> 00:03:48,140 "We don't sell tickets to movies. 63 00:03:48,190 --> 00:03:49,827 We sell tickets to theaters." 64 00:03:51,180 --> 00:03:51,963 - I first came 65 00:03:52,013 --> 00:03:53,470 into the Rialto Theater when I was probably 66 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:54,303 eight years old. 67 00:03:54,353 --> 00:03:58,280 My mom was making an effort to educate me in old movies, 68 00:03:58,330 --> 00:04:01,950 so we'd go to Chaplin movies and Buster Keaton movies 69 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,180 and the Rialto was a revival house. 70 00:04:04,230 --> 00:04:07,380 (soft piano music) (birds chirping) 71 00:04:07,430 --> 00:04:08,870 - When I was growing up, 72 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,160 I always knew that my great-grandfather had owned 73 00:04:12,210 --> 00:04:13,700 a movie theater chain. 74 00:04:13,750 --> 00:04:15,620 It was called the Butterfield Theater Company. 75 00:04:15,670 --> 00:04:17,510 And I wasn't super familiar with it, 76 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,860 but I knew that my mom growing up never had to pay 77 00:04:19,910 --> 00:04:20,920 to go see a movie. 78 00:04:20,970 --> 00:04:24,000 And I just remember thinking oh my god, 79 00:04:24,050 --> 00:04:25,723 like I wish that had been me. 80 00:04:27,410 --> 00:04:28,340 - I have a great memory of going 81 00:04:28,390 --> 00:04:30,330 to the Ziegfeld Theater in New York when I was a kid. 82 00:04:30,380 --> 00:04:31,163 We were actually living 83 00:04:31,213 --> 00:04:33,200 in Charleston, South Carolina and I was always going 84 00:04:33,250 --> 00:04:35,870 to mall multiplexes and it was "Gandhi." 85 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:37,940 It's the kind of movie that had intermission. 86 00:04:37,990 --> 00:04:39,650 It was people dressed up. 87 00:04:39,700 --> 00:04:41,040 It was fancy bathrooms. 88 00:04:41,090 --> 00:04:42,960 It's the kinda thing that sticks with you forever. 89 00:04:43,010 --> 00:04:45,480 - I went to see "Gone With the Wind" 90 00:04:45,530 --> 00:04:48,240 in the Redford Theater in Detroit, Michigan when I was 91 00:04:48,290 --> 00:04:49,073 in grad school. 92 00:04:49,123 --> 00:04:50,770 - Sir, you are awfully kind. 93 00:04:50,820 --> 00:04:52,260 - I'm not kind. I'm just tempting you. 94 00:04:52,310 --> 00:04:54,070 - I've seen "Gone With the Wind" probably hundreds 95 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:55,620 of times in my life. 96 00:04:55,670 --> 00:04:57,400 But there's something completely different 97 00:04:57,450 --> 00:05:00,190 about seeing that movie on a big screen, 98 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,563 the organ playing and you're in a room with 1,200 people. 99 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,450 - I don't even remember the movies that I saw, 100 00:05:06,500 --> 00:05:08,850 but I was entranced by the building itself, 101 00:05:08,900 --> 00:05:12,670 by all the scary character faces in the walls, darkness, 102 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:17,720 the color, the intensity, the sorta musty smells. 103 00:05:17,930 --> 00:05:20,020 - And you come out and it had gotten dark, 104 00:05:20,070 --> 00:05:21,820 so the marquee was lighted up and the sidewalk 105 00:05:21,870 --> 00:05:23,590 is twinkling with the little crystals of mica 106 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:24,800 they would put in it. 107 00:05:24,850 --> 00:05:26,260 There was a magic going on there, 108 00:05:26,310 --> 00:05:28,370 which I took for granted of course as everybody did. 109 00:05:28,420 --> 00:05:29,480 They were part of life. 110 00:05:29,530 --> 00:05:31,140 (soft inspirational music) 111 00:05:31,190 --> 00:05:33,760 - Movies are one of the United States' most 112 00:05:33,810 --> 00:05:35,960 important cultural contributions. 113 00:05:36,010 --> 00:05:38,450 It's how we've broadcasted our culture around 114 00:05:38,500 --> 00:05:41,060 the world and how we've made that association 115 00:05:41,110 --> 00:05:43,040 between the United States and Hollywood 116 00:05:43,090 --> 00:05:43,873 is through the movies. 117 00:05:43,923 --> 00:05:46,230 So it's a very very important national 118 00:05:46,280 --> 00:05:47,920 and cultural legacy, right? 119 00:05:47,970 --> 00:05:50,980 But we don't actually preserve the movie theaters. 120 00:05:51,030 --> 00:05:52,110 So those are some of our most 121 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:53,260 important cultural landmarks. 122 00:05:53,310 --> 00:05:56,680 And yet when it comes time to economic development 123 00:05:56,730 --> 00:05:59,430 or redevelopment of the city or real estate development, 124 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,400 someone's come in and take out a whole block 125 00:06:01,450 --> 00:06:02,600 to do something. 126 00:06:02,650 --> 00:06:04,620 People don't ask those kinds of questions. 127 00:06:04,670 --> 00:06:06,710 And so you have all these cities around the country 128 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,400 where there's just nothing left. 129 00:06:08,450 --> 00:06:10,210 You can go to cities where they've torn down 130 00:06:10,260 --> 00:06:11,803 every movie theater they've had. 131 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,350 So we can assume it's just an entertainment venue 132 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,920 or we can actually recognize that it actually was 133 00:06:25,970 --> 00:06:29,793 a vibrant center of city life. 134 00:06:32,280 --> 00:06:34,300 - Some of the first films to be shown and promoted 135 00:06:34,350 --> 00:06:37,750 in a big way in the 1890s were prize fights. 136 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,490 But that was an event and it was an event that was 137 00:06:40,540 --> 00:06:42,770 very successful and they went from city to city 138 00:06:42,820 --> 00:06:45,870 and rented out big existing auditoriums. 139 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:47,500 This long before the nickelodeon 140 00:06:47,550 --> 00:06:49,880 or the little storefront theaters. 141 00:06:49,930 --> 00:06:53,850 So they were really the beginning of what movies could be 142 00:06:53,900 --> 00:06:55,343 and eventually did become. 143 00:06:56,510 --> 00:06:58,590 When the movie business actually got going 144 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,070 in the early 20th century, 145 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,640 with Thomas Edison and everyone else involved, 146 00:07:02,690 --> 00:07:05,260 the early films were first not projected. 147 00:07:05,310 --> 00:07:08,990 They were shown on you know, little eyepiece viewers. 148 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:10,170 - [Man] Where you would drop a penny in, 149 00:07:10,220 --> 00:07:13,000 you get a 30-second reel of film on a kinetoscope. 150 00:07:13,050 --> 00:07:14,690 - These little cards that would flash in front 151 00:07:14,740 --> 00:07:16,760 of you on a little viewer and you'd crank this thing 152 00:07:16,810 --> 00:07:18,795 and it made you put a coin in or something. 153 00:07:18,845 --> 00:07:19,920 They were in these little parlors, 154 00:07:19,970 --> 00:07:21,587 like an arcade in a way. 155 00:07:21,637 --> 00:07:23,290 They're all lined up against the wall. 156 00:07:23,340 --> 00:07:26,673 (energetic piano music) 157 00:07:28,290 --> 00:07:29,910 - This is like Automatic Vaudeville run by a man 158 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:31,730 named Adolph Zukor and other people around 159 00:07:31,780 --> 00:07:34,440 the country began to open up these penny arcade parlors. 160 00:07:34,490 --> 00:07:37,440 And it was the first kind of chain store, if you will, 161 00:07:37,490 --> 00:07:39,290 build-out of the moviegoing experience. 162 00:07:39,340 --> 00:07:42,320 - People like Thomas Edison and others, 163 00:07:42,370 --> 00:07:44,690 rivals and people who were ripping off 164 00:07:44,740 --> 00:07:47,850 Thomas Edison's patent made a short, short film. 165 00:07:47,900 --> 00:07:51,070 And eventually, some of them had stories. 166 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:55,790 - There was Thomas Edison with his kinetoscope I believe, 167 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,053 and then there were the Lumiere brothers in France. 168 00:08:00,330 --> 00:08:02,980 The two technologies kind of evolved around the same 169 00:08:03,030 --> 00:08:04,760 time and they were competing. 170 00:08:04,810 --> 00:08:08,160 And so one nickelodeon would show Lumiere products 171 00:08:08,210 --> 00:08:10,210 and then somebody else would show using 172 00:08:10,260 --> 00:08:11,713 the Edison projector. 173 00:08:13,530 --> 00:08:16,120 - We all know about "The Great Train Robbery" in 1903. 174 00:08:16,170 --> 00:08:18,450 May not have been the very first film to tell a story, 175 00:08:18,500 --> 00:08:22,220 but it's one of the first to use up a whole 10 176 00:08:22,270 --> 00:08:25,160 to 15-minute reel documenting a story and making 177 00:08:25,210 --> 00:08:27,590 it seem pretty realistic. 178 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:29,860 And then someone had the idea that projecting them 179 00:08:29,910 --> 00:08:32,010 meant you could show a lot of people a film 180 00:08:32,060 --> 00:08:33,710 at the same time. 181 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,170 - What was beginning to work was actually having 182 00:08:36,220 --> 00:08:38,850 seats set up and a projector in the back and making 183 00:08:38,900 --> 00:08:41,453 it a public experience of going to the movies. 184 00:08:43,070 --> 00:08:46,420 - [Leonard] Folding chairs were brought into storefronts. 185 00:08:46,470 --> 00:08:48,120 I mean, it was as simple as that. 186 00:08:49,090 --> 00:08:51,710 - I grew up in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, which many 187 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,410 say is the birthplace of the commercial movie theater. 188 00:08:54,460 --> 00:08:57,390 So in 1905, a gentleman named 189 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,720 John P Harris and his business partner, 190 00:08:59,770 --> 00:09:01,300 Harry Davis, they said, 191 00:09:01,350 --> 00:09:03,360 why don't we take the projector down the street 192 00:09:03,410 --> 00:09:04,780 to a storefront that we have, 193 00:09:04,830 --> 00:09:06,990 put a screen on the wall and 96 chairs 194 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,130 and we'll show films continuously. 195 00:09:09,180 --> 00:09:10,490 They charged a nickel. 196 00:09:10,540 --> 00:09:12,360 They called it a nickelodeon. 197 00:09:12,410 --> 00:09:15,440 - It came from the word nickel meaning American currency. 198 00:09:15,490 --> 00:09:17,370 You know, then it usually cost a nickel to get 199 00:09:17,420 --> 00:09:19,796 into one of these things and then odeon which means 200 00:09:19,846 --> 00:09:21,843 an indoor environment. 201 00:09:22,930 --> 00:09:24,880 - A lot of scholars consider that to be sort 202 00:09:24,930 --> 00:09:28,200 of the flashpoint because within a few years of that, 203 00:09:28,250 --> 00:09:30,590 people were opening nickelodeans like crazy. 204 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:31,950 (soft comical music) 205 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:33,650 it was kind of the Wild West. 206 00:09:33,700 --> 00:09:34,990 It was something of a free-for-all. 207 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,060 Anybody who had access to a camera and film could make 208 00:09:38,110 --> 00:09:41,540 a film and anybody who could set up chairs 209 00:09:41,590 --> 00:09:43,040 and a projector could show a film. 210 00:09:43,090 --> 00:09:45,720 (soft comical music) 211 00:09:45,770 --> 00:09:47,960 - Famously, Loew's began this way. 212 00:09:48,010 --> 00:09:50,490 It was originally called People's Vaudeville Company, 213 00:09:50,540 --> 00:09:52,520 and Marcus Loew, when he went to visit one 214 00:09:52,570 --> 00:09:54,870 of his penny arcades in Cincinnati, he went across 215 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,160 the river to Covington and he saw a man projecting 216 00:09:57,210 --> 00:09:58,330 movies onto a screen. 217 00:09:58,380 --> 00:10:01,650 So he went back to his penny hippodrome and he took 218 00:10:01,700 --> 00:10:05,160 the second floor and converted it into a movie theater. 219 00:10:05,210 --> 00:10:07,300 That was the changeover that began to happen 220 00:10:07,350 --> 00:10:09,320 where you would accompany the films with music 221 00:10:09,370 --> 00:10:11,290 and you could feed off of the crowd. 222 00:10:11,340 --> 00:10:14,290 So falls worked better, humor worked better, 223 00:10:14,340 --> 00:10:15,860 comedy worked better. 224 00:10:15,910 --> 00:10:18,290 - Sometimes there would be someone standing behind 225 00:10:18,340 --> 00:10:20,520 the screen giving voice to actors, 226 00:10:20,570 --> 00:10:23,520 sometimes a singer in a little side stage. 227 00:10:23,570 --> 00:10:27,360 Often, almost always as a matter of fact, a piano player, 228 00:10:27,410 --> 00:10:28,740 that was an art in itself. 229 00:10:28,790 --> 00:10:31,830 The piano player had to be really good at improvising. 230 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:33,060 - This was a national trend. 231 00:10:33,110 --> 00:10:35,280 You know, it gets a lot of celebrated coverage 232 00:10:35,330 --> 00:10:37,817 in New York and Chicago and cities like that. 233 00:10:37,867 --> 00:10:39,040 But it was national. 234 00:10:39,090 --> 00:10:39,873 It was regional. 235 00:10:39,923 --> 00:10:40,840 It was even rural. 236 00:10:40,890 --> 00:10:44,310 Cincinnati, Covington, Charleston, Dallas, 237 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,020 small towns in Iowa. 238 00:10:46,070 --> 00:10:48,320 People began to wanna watch movies everywhere 239 00:10:49,290 --> 00:10:51,170 and it began already by 1907 240 00:10:51,220 --> 00:10:53,220 when "Harper's Weekly" referred to it as nickel madness. 241 00:10:53,270 --> 00:10:55,690 It was a national and soon global phenomenon. 242 00:10:55,740 --> 00:10:57,675 And then suddenly a saturation point. 243 00:10:57,725 --> 00:10:59,893 There were so many nickelodeons everywhere. 244 00:11:00,950 --> 00:11:02,820 - The Warner brothers also started 245 00:11:02,870 --> 00:11:05,780 in the Pittsburgh area and they opened a little 246 00:11:05,830 --> 00:11:08,310 theater called the Cascade outside of Pittsburgh. 247 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,640 They ran that for a few years but then they thought, 248 00:11:10,690 --> 00:11:14,700 oh wait a minute, the money is more in making movies. 249 00:11:14,750 --> 00:11:17,230 And many people in those early days felt they could 250 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,160 make money off the movies, 251 00:11:19,210 --> 00:11:21,260 but they had to deal with the patents folks 252 00:11:21,310 --> 00:11:22,440 and Thomas Edison. 253 00:11:22,490 --> 00:11:24,690 And that's why a lot of the production moved 254 00:11:24,740 --> 00:11:27,080 from the East Coast to New York and then 255 00:11:27,130 --> 00:11:29,523 Chicago, they moved out to the West Coast. 256 00:11:30,410 --> 00:11:32,340 (train bell chiming) 257 00:11:32,390 --> 00:11:34,930 - Of course D. 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Griffith entered the scene at the end 258 00:11:34,980 --> 00:11:39,980 of the first decade of movies and gave more rhythm, tempo, 259 00:11:40,020 --> 00:11:43,380 purpose, pace and dramatic clarity 260 00:11:43,430 --> 00:11:46,770 to the storytelling and hired very talented 261 00:11:46,820 --> 00:11:49,880 and very camera-friendly actors like Mary Pickford. 262 00:11:49,930 --> 00:11:51,390 (soft intriguing music) 263 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,640 There was no such thing as a movie actor. 264 00:11:53,690 --> 00:11:55,290 They had to come from some place. 265 00:11:55,340 --> 00:11:57,540 Most of them came from the stage: people like 266 00:11:57,590 --> 00:11:59,830 Lillian and Dorothy Gish. 267 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:01,850 Some of them had circus training. 268 00:12:01,900 --> 00:12:05,330 Charlie Chaplin was part of a famous music hall troop. 269 00:12:05,380 --> 00:12:07,680 In England, they called vaudeville music hall. 270 00:12:08,860 --> 00:12:11,120 That's when Mack Sennett heard about this young fellow, 271 00:12:11,170 --> 00:12:14,120 Charlie Chaplin, and signed him to a contract 272 00:12:14,170 --> 00:12:16,023 and that was at the end of 1913. 273 00:12:18,210 --> 00:12:19,740 - And there was an entire segment 274 00:12:19,790 --> 00:12:21,800 of African-American vaudeville entertainers 275 00:12:21,850 --> 00:12:23,650 that would travel the country just going 276 00:12:23,700 --> 00:12:26,623 in that circuit of African-American vaudeville theaters. 277 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,450 - And there were quite a few black filmmakers in like 278 00:12:31,500 --> 00:12:35,550 the early 1900s such as Oscar Micheaux and that part 279 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:40,100 of our heritage isn't celebrated as much as it should be. 280 00:12:40,150 --> 00:12:41,790 - [Man] Some of the movie theaters that we think 281 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:43,080 of as palaces were actually 282 00:12:43,130 --> 00:12:44,380 originally vaudeville theaters. 283 00:12:44,430 --> 00:12:47,190 - Vaudeville houses that I've noticed have 284 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,910 a much higher ceiling. 285 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,460 The balcony is a lot steeper and that's so people 286 00:12:53,510 --> 00:12:55,420 on stage and the people on the balcony could see 287 00:12:55,470 --> 00:12:56,650 the people on the stage and people 288 00:12:56,700 --> 00:12:58,240 on the vaudeville performers, 289 00:12:58,290 --> 00:13:01,660 their voice could reach up to the upper portions 290 00:13:01,710 --> 00:13:02,543 of the balcony. 291 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,300 - Vaudeville theater, you had a desire for intimacy 292 00:13:06,350 --> 00:13:07,363 with the stage. 293 00:13:08,310 --> 00:13:11,360 There was an attitude of see and be seen. 294 00:13:11,410 --> 00:13:13,660 You'd tell a vaudeville house from a strictly movie house 295 00:13:13,710 --> 00:13:15,710 because the vaudeville house has box seats 296 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,560 on the side and sometimes on the main floor as well. 297 00:13:18,610 --> 00:13:21,300 The people sitting in the box didn't have the finest 298 00:13:21,350 --> 00:13:22,270 view of the stage, 299 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,980 but everybody in the audience could see them, 300 00:13:25,030 --> 00:13:27,080 which they cherished. 301 00:13:27,130 --> 00:13:29,800 - This particular building that we're in was built 302 00:13:29,850 --> 00:13:32,130 before the movie theater era, 303 00:13:32,180 --> 00:13:34,410 so this was built for live performance. 304 00:13:34,460 --> 00:13:37,300 A movie theater house is bigger in that way. 305 00:13:37,350 --> 00:13:38,530 It's longer and narrow. 306 00:13:38,580 --> 00:13:39,960 It's easier to see the screen. 307 00:13:40,010 --> 00:13:42,310 (soft orchestral music) 308 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,200 - The vaudeville circuit built a number of these houses. 309 00:13:45,250 --> 00:13:47,350 They would travel from city to city to city. 310 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,703 One of our local vaudeville companies was Finch and Marco. 311 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,980 Finch and Marco was based downtown. 312 00:13:54,030 --> 00:13:56,290 They had a studio in Hollywood area. 313 00:13:56,340 --> 00:13:58,460 They sometimes worked with Sid Grauman and sometimes 314 00:13:58,510 --> 00:14:00,280 were competition, but they would do 315 00:14:00,330 --> 00:14:01,910 what they called ideas, 316 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,080 what Sid Grauman would call prologues. 317 00:14:04,130 --> 00:14:06,580 The individual vaudeville acts turned 318 00:14:06,630 --> 00:14:10,370 into these really programmed dramatic large shows. 319 00:14:10,420 --> 00:14:12,060 - There were attempts at feature length films 320 00:14:12,110 --> 00:14:13,750 in the early 1910s. 321 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,840 Sarah Bernhardt made a famous five reel film 322 00:14:15,890 --> 00:14:17,880 about Queen Elizabeth, one of her famous roles 323 00:14:17,930 --> 00:14:18,713 from the stage. 324 00:14:18,763 --> 00:14:21,630 The Italians made films like "Cabiria," which were 325 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,420 imported here by a handful of theaters. 326 00:14:24,470 --> 00:14:26,810 And then D. 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Griffith famously started becoming 327 00:14:26,860 --> 00:14:29,550 more ambitious in trying slightly longer films, 328 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,887 then slightly longer and eventually making 329 00:14:31,937 --> 00:14:33,490 "The Birth of a Nation." 330 00:14:33,540 --> 00:14:36,583 So everybody realized that's where things were heading. 331 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,040 - Movies were considered third-rate entertainment. 332 00:14:41,090 --> 00:14:43,710 Maybe the top entertainment would of course be opera, 333 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:45,530 play, classical music. 334 00:14:45,580 --> 00:14:47,850 Somewhere below there and maybe the second rung might 335 00:14:47,900 --> 00:14:49,610 be the vaudeville house. 336 00:14:49,660 --> 00:14:52,210 (soft orchestral music) 337 00:14:52,260 --> 00:14:55,900 The movies in the early 1900s were primarily 338 00:14:55,950 --> 00:14:58,220 for the lower middle classes. 339 00:14:58,270 --> 00:14:59,160 - Bit by bit, 340 00:14:59,210 --> 00:15:02,960 as movies established themselves and started 341 00:15:03,010 --> 00:15:07,060 to shed their tawdry reputation as being kind 342 00:15:07,110 --> 00:15:09,340 of low-class entertainment, people thought 343 00:15:09,390 --> 00:15:11,720 about the idea of building what today 344 00:15:11,770 --> 00:15:15,070 we call purpose-built (chuckles) theaters. 345 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:19,297 And that became you know, a whole new era. 346 00:15:21,830 --> 00:15:24,420 - As you move into the 1910s, the movie business 347 00:15:24,470 --> 00:15:25,850 really began to boom in terms 348 00:15:25,900 --> 00:15:27,180 of the movie exhibition business. 349 00:15:27,230 --> 00:15:28,673 Let's start with an example. 350 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,273 If you look at Roxy in the 1910s, 351 00:15:33,323 --> 00:15:35,040 you can see the progression 352 00:15:35,090 --> 00:15:37,610 of movie palaces by his own career. 353 00:15:37,660 --> 00:15:41,300 The showmen were people who lived for their own 354 00:15:41,350 --> 00:15:42,680 persona that they created. 355 00:15:42,730 --> 00:15:44,033 They created a brand. 356 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:46,150 You could rely on the fact that if you went 357 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,340 to a Grauman theater that night or Roxy theater 358 00:15:49,390 --> 00:15:51,500 or something put on by Balaban and Katz or certainly 359 00:15:51,550 --> 00:15:53,920 with Finch on Marco, even if the film wasn't good, 360 00:15:53,970 --> 00:15:55,740 the evening was gonna be great. 361 00:15:55,790 --> 00:15:59,750 In 1913, in February in New York, the Regent Theater opens 362 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:01,400 and it's the first purpose-built deluxe 363 00:16:01,450 --> 00:16:02,520 motion picture theater. 364 00:16:02,570 --> 00:16:04,260 It actually was not a success, 365 00:16:04,310 --> 00:16:07,100 so Roxy was brought in to essentially upgrade 366 00:16:07,150 --> 00:16:09,663 its capabilities and certainly its revenues. 367 00:16:10,860 --> 00:16:12,850 By the time you get to The Strand in 1941, 368 00:16:12,900 --> 00:16:15,610 they thought we'll open The Strand for a few months. 369 00:16:15,660 --> 00:16:17,460 We'll have people come for movies and then we'll go 370 00:16:17,510 --> 00:16:18,293 to musical comedy. 371 00:16:18,343 --> 00:16:20,710 We'll do live theater like we had planned. 372 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,030 Well, The Strand was a huge hit of 3,000 seats, 373 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,390 so they never returned it to its original intent. 374 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:28,510 It stayed a movie theater. 375 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,310 The critics are writing about the elaborate cars 376 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:32,760 and dress and people were coming, 377 00:16:32,810 --> 00:16:35,530 that it's become fanciful for all classes. 378 00:16:35,580 --> 00:16:38,710 Then you have the Rialto, which was opened in 1916, 379 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,047 the Crossroads of the World, 42nd and seventh, 380 00:16:41,097 --> 00:16:42,820 its a huge success. 381 00:16:42,870 --> 00:16:46,810 The Regent, the Strand, the Rialto and the Rivoli from 1913 382 00:16:46,860 --> 00:16:49,100 to 1917, even just in the small area 383 00:16:49,150 --> 00:16:50,800 of New York, you can see that this area, 384 00:16:50,850 --> 00:16:53,900 there had always been dominated by legitimate theater 385 00:16:53,950 --> 00:16:57,010 was suddenly being taken over more and more by movies. 386 00:16:57,060 --> 00:16:58,080 That's what lead to the confidence 387 00:16:58,130 --> 00:17:00,480 of Messmore Kendall and Edward Bowes had in opening 388 00:17:00,530 --> 00:17:02,113 up the Capitol Theater in late 1919. 389 00:17:02,163 --> 00:17:05,760 This is a 5,300 seat theater that they opened 390 00:17:05,810 --> 00:17:07,493 without any studio backing. 391 00:17:10,270 --> 00:17:12,750 So to have gone from a theater when you were hoping 392 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,930 the Regent would do well at 2,000 seats, to 5,300 seats 393 00:17:16,980 --> 00:17:19,760 expressly for movies shows you that meteoric 394 00:17:19,810 --> 00:17:23,443 rise of movie theaters from that period from 1913 to 1919. 395 00:17:24,610 --> 00:17:27,470 The Capitol was the really beginning in a way 396 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,270 of that sense of scale the 20s brings you. 397 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,820 It's not to say there weren't many many other theaters, 398 00:17:32,870 --> 00:17:34,160 the Grauman's Million Dollar here 399 00:17:34,210 --> 00:17:36,840 in Los Angeles, Central Park and Chicago. 400 00:17:36,890 --> 00:17:38,790 But there is something about the Capitol opening 401 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,850 at the very end of the 1910s that just is a signpost 402 00:17:42,900 --> 00:17:45,030 of what's going to be coming in the 1920s. 403 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:46,583 (soft orchestral music) 404 00:17:46,633 --> 00:17:50,530 - Balaban and Katz was a chain that got started 405 00:17:50,580 --> 00:17:52,370 on the southwest side. 406 00:17:52,420 --> 00:17:55,690 The first theater was gonna be the Central Park Theater. 407 00:17:55,740 --> 00:17:58,660 This was 1917. 408 00:17:58,710 --> 00:18:02,320 The second theater was the Riviera and it became 409 00:18:02,370 --> 00:18:06,780 so successful that Barney said, oh, it's gotta be bigger, 410 00:18:06,830 --> 00:18:07,830 bigger and bigger. 411 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,400 And it became the Tivoli Theater. 412 00:18:10,450 --> 00:18:14,313 It was 3,600 seats. 413 00:18:15,540 --> 00:18:18,860 He said, okay, let's do another theater. 414 00:18:18,910 --> 00:18:21,840 Let's do it downtown and make it our headquarters, 415 00:18:21,890 --> 00:18:24,710 and that was the Chicago Theater, which opened 416 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:26,653 the same year, 1921. 417 00:18:28,530 --> 00:18:31,360 The money was just flowing in, 418 00:18:31,410 --> 00:18:33,870 so they talked with Rapp and Rapp. 419 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,710 Just build us the biggest, most extravagant theater, 420 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,210 and it became the Uptown. 421 00:18:40,260 --> 00:18:44,315 (soft orchestral music) 422 00:18:44,365 --> 00:18:46,410 - In 1920, Roxy was brought back 423 00:18:46,460 --> 00:18:49,170 to New York to reopen the the Capitol Theater. 424 00:18:49,220 --> 00:18:52,970 He was the director of presentations from 1920 to 1925. 425 00:18:53,020 --> 00:18:54,270 And one of the things that he pioneered 426 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,800 at the Capitol Theater was the transmission 427 00:18:56,850 --> 00:19:00,060 of his stage shows and his own performers 428 00:19:00,110 --> 00:19:03,630 over WEAF, which later became part of NBC. 429 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:04,500 But when Roxy left, 430 00:19:04,550 --> 00:19:06,840 he did leave so he could start his own theater, 431 00:19:06,890 --> 00:19:07,903 the Roxy Theater. 432 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,790 And not only that it was gonna be named for him 433 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:15,970 which of course was a nice moment if you have 434 00:19:16,020 --> 00:19:16,960 a famous nickname, 435 00:19:17,010 --> 00:19:19,500 but it was because he had that kind of draw. 436 00:19:19,550 --> 00:19:22,450 They needed his name and his track record to create 437 00:19:22,500 --> 00:19:25,080 all the money he needed for what would then be 438 00:19:25,130 --> 00:19:26,853 the largest movie palace in the country. 439 00:19:26,903 --> 00:19:29,950 That theater opened on March 11th, 1927, 440 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:34,423 with again almost 6,000 seats, and it was a sensation. 441 00:19:36,330 --> 00:19:39,130 It was kind of the peak of the movie palace moment. 442 00:19:39,180 --> 00:19:41,070 There were three conductors. 443 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:45,150 There were three different organs, massive Kimball organs. 444 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,670 There were stage shows, they were ballets, 445 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,420 they were operettas. 446 00:19:49,470 --> 00:19:53,180 There was every manner of entertainment on that stage, 447 00:19:53,230 --> 00:19:55,430 even the integration of live performance backed 448 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,480 by a motion picture projection in addition 449 00:19:57,530 --> 00:19:58,860 to the feature film. 450 00:19:58,910 --> 00:20:02,120 But Roxy himself was never satisfied with anything. 451 00:20:02,170 --> 00:20:05,980 And so as the years went on from '27 and '28 to '29, 452 00:20:06,030 --> 00:20:08,190 he began to look for a challenge. 453 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,580 He was plucked away by the Rockefellers 454 00:20:10,630 --> 00:20:13,320 and by RCA and RKO for a new project, 455 00:20:13,370 --> 00:20:15,790 which would be two theaters opened at the same time 456 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,170 at the new Rockefeller Center. 457 00:20:17,220 --> 00:20:20,400 He had always integrated live performance and movies. 458 00:20:20,450 --> 00:20:23,230 And now here in 1932, Radio City Music Hall was 459 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,060 only going to be a place for live performance, 460 00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:26,920 a kind of elevated vaudeville. 461 00:20:26,970 --> 00:20:29,540 And RKO Roxy Theater which was 3,500 seats, 462 00:20:29,590 --> 00:20:32,670 was going to be a place for movies with of course 463 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,530 its famous Roxyettes, which he had had 464 00:20:34,580 --> 00:20:36,225 since the original Roxy. 465 00:20:36,275 --> 00:20:39,510 (upbeat music) 466 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,227 (shoes tapping) 467 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:48,080 - When Radio City Music Hall opened December 27th, 1932, 468 00:20:48,170 --> 00:20:51,110 SL Rothafel was his name and everybody called 469 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,560 him Roxy and the music hall was basically his idea. 470 00:20:54,610 --> 00:20:56,020 It had the Rockettes. 471 00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:56,980 It had a ballet company. 472 00:20:57,030 --> 00:20:59,480 It had a singer, a chorus of singers. 473 00:20:59,530 --> 00:21:01,573 It had a full symphony orchestra. 474 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,350 That's what was on stage. 475 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,270 It had costume designers, set designers. 476 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,600 It had a full costume shop up on the eighth floor 477 00:21:09,650 --> 00:21:11,520 where they made all the costumes. 478 00:21:11,570 --> 00:21:14,780 In the basement was a full scenic studio. 479 00:21:14,830 --> 00:21:18,130 Everything was made there. 480 00:21:18,180 --> 00:21:20,140 He wanted Radio City Music Hall to be 481 00:21:20,190 --> 00:21:23,980 the Showplace of the Nation and that's the name it got. 482 00:21:24,030 --> 00:21:25,680 And he didn't want films, 483 00:21:25,730 --> 00:21:28,690 he wanted just stage presentations. 484 00:21:28,740 --> 00:21:32,510 And so that's what they did on opening night 485 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:33,930 and it was a bomb. 486 00:21:33,980 --> 00:21:37,720 It was a serious, horrible bomb. 487 00:21:37,770 --> 00:21:41,920 And so Roxy 488 00:21:43,260 --> 00:21:45,250 exited the theater that night 489 00:21:46,110 --> 00:21:49,910 in a stretcher and went into the hospital 490 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,100 at three o'clock in the morning. 491 00:21:52,150 --> 00:21:54,733 And so the board of directors went, 492 00:21:55,810 --> 00:21:57,320 the only way we're gonna make this thing work 493 00:21:57,370 --> 00:21:58,780 is to put movies in here. 494 00:21:58,830 --> 00:22:01,240 And "The Bitter Tea of General Yen" starring 495 00:22:01,290 --> 00:22:03,650 Barbara Stanwyck was the first film. 496 00:22:03,700 --> 00:22:08,700 It opened January 11th, 1933, 497 00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:12,260 and that's all they wrote. 498 00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:14,963 It became the most famous movie palace in the world. 499 00:22:16,550 --> 00:22:18,500 - The reason they were able to build great theaters 500 00:22:18,550 --> 00:22:22,540 like this was that they were owned by the movie studios 501 00:22:22,590 --> 00:22:25,120 who developed the product that was shown in them. 502 00:22:25,170 --> 00:22:28,070 - The people who ran the movie studios and ran 503 00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:29,990 the film companies, many of them were known 504 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:31,680 in part because they named their companies 505 00:22:31,730 --> 00:22:35,927 after themselves: Marcus Loew of course, had Loew's. 506 00:22:35,977 --> 00:22:37,560 - MGM was a division of a company 507 00:22:37,610 --> 00:22:38,780 called Loew's Incorporated. 508 00:22:38,830 --> 00:22:40,570 Well Loew's was a movie theater company, 509 00:22:40,620 --> 00:22:44,210 so Loew's ran the theaters and built and operated 510 00:22:44,260 --> 00:22:47,513 the theaters that just happened to show MGM movies. 511 00:22:48,570 --> 00:22:49,560 - Marcus Loew built five 512 00:22:49,610 --> 00:22:51,950 Wonder Theaters in New York, all opened at the same time, 513 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,250 one in each borough. 514 00:22:53,300 --> 00:22:55,297 One missed. The one in Staten Island never got built. 515 00:22:55,347 --> 00:22:56,713 It was in Jersey City. 516 00:22:58,010 --> 00:22:59,120 - [Leonard] Fox, the same. 517 00:22:59,170 --> 00:23:03,690 William Fox was a hard-driving man who built a large 518 00:23:03,740 --> 00:23:05,023 Fox theater chain. 519 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,870 - Fox didn't build that many theaters, 520 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,510 but they were glorious ones 521 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,810 in Detroit, in St. Louis and Brooklyn and San Francisco. 522 00:23:12,860 --> 00:23:14,670 Grandest of the grand and they would show 523 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:15,620 their own product. 524 00:23:16,490 --> 00:23:19,190 - RKO Radio Pictures was kind of a conglomerate 525 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,470 for its time because it was built of several 526 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,270 components: The Keith/Albee vaudeville theater 527 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,460 circuit and the Orpheum theater circuit 528 00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:29,960 and the Radio Corporation of America or RCA run 529 00:23:30,010 --> 00:23:31,133 by David Sarnoff. 530 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:33,470 Warner Bros of course, 531 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,980 which also swallowed up the first national 532 00:23:36,030 --> 00:23:38,140 picture company from the silent era, 533 00:23:38,190 --> 00:23:40,947 had a buying spree of movie theaters in the late '20s 534 00:23:40,997 --> 00:23:41,973 and early '30s. 535 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:44,583 - [Ross] But in many cases, 536 00:23:44,633 --> 00:23:45,416 there were companies like 537 00:23:45,466 --> 00:23:48,250 Paramount, so Adolph Zukor's name was a little less-known. 538 00:23:48,300 --> 00:23:51,180 - Zukor presided over various combinations 539 00:23:51,230 --> 00:23:53,580 of companies that became Paramount, 540 00:23:53,630 --> 00:23:56,370 and Paramount owned its own chain of theaters. 541 00:23:56,420 --> 00:23:57,780 - They used the theaters, for instance, 542 00:23:57,830 --> 00:24:00,290 to actually understand their audience. 543 00:24:00,340 --> 00:24:03,350 Before there were Gallup and research groups set up, 544 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,300 you know, Fox could phone a movie theater operator 545 00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:07,758 in Oakland and say, "How's my movie gonna play up there? 546 00:24:07,808 --> 00:24:09,000 What do you think?" 547 00:24:09,050 --> 00:24:10,800 (soft orchestral music) 548 00:24:10,850 --> 00:24:13,520 - Columbia didn't own its own theaters. 549 00:24:13,570 --> 00:24:16,000 Universal didn't own its own theaters. 550 00:24:16,050 --> 00:24:19,180 So they were dependent mostly on independent theaters, 551 00:24:19,230 --> 00:24:22,200 mom and pop theaters, smaller theaters, 552 00:24:22,250 --> 00:24:25,720 and occasionally lucked out and had a film that was 553 00:24:25,770 --> 00:24:28,840 so appealing or created such demand, 554 00:24:28,890 --> 00:24:30,340 they got into the bigger theaters. 555 00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:32,670 - They were identifiable brands and they brought 556 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,310 you a certain kind of film. 557 00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:39,360 From the 1910s through the 1940s, many of the best 558 00:24:39,930 --> 00:24:42,940 deluxe first-run movie theaters in the country were 559 00:24:42,990 --> 00:24:47,620 run by Warner Brothers, Fox, RKO, Loew's, Paramount. 560 00:24:47,670 --> 00:24:50,163 So they constrained a lot of trade. 561 00:24:53,310 --> 00:24:55,450 - The other type of theater you had that was built 562 00:24:55,500 --> 00:25:00,500 you know, in the early 1900s, in the 19-teens was 563 00:25:00,710 --> 00:25:02,930 the neighborhood-style theater. 564 00:25:02,980 --> 00:25:05,130 - I call this a neighborhood movie palace. 565 00:25:05,180 --> 00:25:09,380 To me, it's got the same romance and the same 566 00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:12,090 elegant details, but it's on a smaller scale. 567 00:25:12,140 --> 00:25:14,480 - Some of them were very modest affairs, 568 00:25:14,530 --> 00:25:16,150 but they still offered the experience of going 569 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,020 into a nice place and sitting down comfortably 570 00:25:19,070 --> 00:25:22,440 and watching a movie on a screen bigger than life. 571 00:25:22,490 --> 00:25:26,660 There was a tremendous appetite, a hunger for movie-going. 572 00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:30,850 And people in the '20s, '30s and '40s, even drifting 573 00:25:30,900 --> 00:25:33,640 into the '50s used to go to the movies sometimes two 574 00:25:33,690 --> 00:25:35,510 or three times a week. 575 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,550 People would've come to see their favorite stars: 576 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,037 Douglas Fairbanks in films like 577 00:25:41,087 --> 00:25:43,987 "The Mark of Zorro," "The Black Pirate," 578 00:25:44,037 --> 00:25:46,010 "The Thief of Bagdad." 579 00:25:46,060 --> 00:25:47,917 Mary Pickford in films like 580 00:25:47,967 --> 00:25:50,970 "Little Annie Rooney" and "Sparrows." 581 00:25:51,020 --> 00:25:54,020 Charlie Chaplin in "The Kid," "The Gold Rush" 582 00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:55,620 and "The Circus." 583 00:25:55,670 --> 00:25:57,970 The list goes on and on and on. 584 00:25:58,020 --> 00:26:02,090 And studios got into the business of building 585 00:26:02,140 --> 00:26:04,380 and developing stars. 586 00:26:04,430 --> 00:26:08,610 - The star system was born in the late 1900s, 587 00:26:08,660 --> 00:26:10,920 early 1910s as you begin to have 588 00:26:10,970 --> 00:26:13,590 Florence Lawrence and Mary Pickford and Charlie Chaplin, 589 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,690 these became national stars and the national stardom meant 590 00:26:16,740 --> 00:26:20,770 collecting, collecting fan magazines and photographs. 591 00:26:20,820 --> 00:26:22,720 - There was merchandising. 592 00:26:22,770 --> 00:26:24,940 People think merchandising is a modern phenomenon. 593 00:26:24,990 --> 00:26:27,900 Oh to look back at what you could buy or get 594 00:26:27,950 --> 00:26:32,420 as a giveaway or a premium in the teens and '20s 595 00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:33,760 featuring all of these stars. 596 00:26:33,810 --> 00:26:35,850 (soft orchestral music) 597 00:26:35,900 --> 00:26:37,530 I collect stuff like that. 598 00:26:37,580 --> 00:26:40,440 I keep finding more of it and more and more and more. 599 00:26:40,490 --> 00:26:42,780 Whatever you wanna call it, cigarette cards, 600 00:26:42,830 --> 00:26:47,830 collector cards, souvenir stamps, souvenir spoons. 601 00:26:48,590 --> 00:26:50,790 (chuckles softly) Anything you can think of. 602 00:26:53,010 --> 00:26:56,950 Movie stars were our heroes, our heroines, 603 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,033 our idols and that hasn't changed all that much. 604 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,510 - Each of the studios would have under contract 605 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:10,270 a stable of stars and they were assigned parts. 606 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,000 They would pretend, ooh yes, 607 00:27:12,050 --> 00:27:15,800 I was looking over a script and I decided I might do this. 608 00:27:15,850 --> 00:27:18,410 No no, the boss told 'em, you get on stage, 609 00:27:18,460 --> 00:27:19,513 and this is your job. 610 00:27:20,370 --> 00:27:22,820 - Mary Pickford was very shrewd young woman 611 00:27:24,180 --> 00:27:29,010 and she was possibly the first to realize, 612 00:27:29,060 --> 00:27:30,730 and it came as a great shock 613 00:27:30,780 --> 00:27:34,400 to her that the Famous Players Company run 614 00:27:34,450 --> 00:27:38,020 by her friend and in some ways mentor 615 00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:43,010 Adolph Zukor, was booking dozens of films 616 00:27:44,620 --> 00:27:47,373 to theaters on the lure of getting her films. 617 00:27:48,860 --> 00:27:50,400 And if they didn't book her film, 618 00:27:50,450 --> 00:27:53,080 they wouldn't get the other stuff and vice versa. 619 00:27:53,130 --> 00:27:56,100 But her films were the ones that were really bringing 620 00:27:56,150 --> 00:27:58,880 in the big bucks and the big crowds. 621 00:27:58,930 --> 00:28:01,560 So she renegotiated her deal with Mr. Zukor and said, 622 00:28:01,610 --> 00:28:04,420 no no no, you can't sell a whole block. 623 00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:05,950 They used to call it block booking. 624 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,300 You can't sell a block of movies on the strength 625 00:28:08,350 --> 00:28:09,200 of my movie. 626 00:28:09,250 --> 00:28:11,750 My movie gets sold individually. 627 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,510 That was a milestone. 628 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,232 Charlie Chaplin renegotiated as he moved from one 629 00:28:17,282 --> 00:28:19,770 company to another to the point where he was getting 630 00:28:19,820 --> 00:28:23,840 an unheard of sum of money in the teens before income tax, 631 00:28:23,890 --> 00:28:24,673 by the way. 632 00:28:24,723 --> 00:28:29,090 And eventually in 1919, Mary, her future husband 633 00:28:29,140 --> 00:28:32,610 Douglas Fairbanks, Charlie Chaplin and the great 634 00:28:32,660 --> 00:28:36,310 director PW Griffith banded together and started 635 00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:39,850 a company called United Artists. 636 00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:42,150 It was not just a name, it was a philosophy. 637 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,420 They were artists who united together to sort 638 00:28:45,470 --> 00:28:48,990 of control their own destiny, control their own finances, 639 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,740 have complete power over the movies they chose 640 00:28:51,790 --> 00:28:54,640 to make and how they would be released and distributed. 641 00:28:54,690 --> 00:28:57,100 (soft orchestral music) 642 00:28:57,150 --> 00:29:00,400 In 1926, it's said Mary Pickford traveled 643 00:29:00,450 --> 00:29:02,330 to Europe and saw 644 00:29:02,380 --> 00:29:07,380 some of the Moorish-style cathedrals in Spain 645 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:08,790 and fell in love with them. 646 00:29:10,670 --> 00:29:12,780 When she returned to Hollywood, she said, 647 00:29:12,830 --> 00:29:15,410 I want a theater that looks like that. 648 00:29:15,460 --> 00:29:17,180 So she was the driving force that created 649 00:29:17,230 --> 00:29:19,280 the theater we're sitting in right now, 650 00:29:19,330 --> 00:29:21,510 which was the flagship of that company 651 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,720 the United Artists Theater on the corner of what was 652 00:29:24,770 --> 00:29:28,443 then 10th Street, now called Olympic and Broadway. 653 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:36,720 - Downtown in cities, 654 00:29:36,770 --> 00:29:39,700 there always tended to be a cluster of theaters. 655 00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:42,950 There would be an MGM theater and a Loew's theater 656 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,530 and an RKO theater because they were competing 657 00:29:45,580 --> 00:29:47,620 and they wanted to be near each other. 658 00:29:47,670 --> 00:29:50,530 You see many photo, vintage photo or even a photo 659 00:29:50,580 --> 00:29:54,610 postcard showing a lineup of theaters on a main street 660 00:29:54,660 --> 00:29:55,493 of a major city. 661 00:29:56,375 --> 00:29:59,708 (soft orchestral music) 662 00:30:06,860 --> 00:30:08,770 - [Ross] Los Angeles is special because it was 663 00:30:08,820 --> 00:30:10,280 the entertainment capital of the world. 664 00:30:10,330 --> 00:30:12,650 We do have two historic theater districts, 665 00:30:12,700 --> 00:30:14,850 so all the movies were premiering not 666 00:30:14,900 --> 00:30:16,970 in Hollywood but in downtown and there was 667 00:30:17,020 --> 00:30:20,993 over 100 theaters just downtown LA which is amazing. 668 00:30:23,050 --> 00:30:26,290 And then later, Hollywood came into being. 669 00:30:26,340 --> 00:30:29,160 Sid Grauman built the Egyptian and then 670 00:30:29,210 --> 00:30:32,400 the Chinese and that sorta put Hollywood on the map 671 00:30:32,450 --> 00:30:34,203 as a place to go see films. 672 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:39,223 - The movie palace, 673 00:30:39,273 --> 00:30:41,630 especially the neighborhood movie palace became part 674 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:42,463 of the neighborhood. 675 00:30:42,513 --> 00:30:44,023 Often it was named after sometimes a street 676 00:30:44,073 --> 00:30:45,070 that it was on, 677 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,560 sometimes the neighborhood itself and they always had 678 00:30:47,610 --> 00:30:50,220 a big sign in front and that was the name 679 00:30:50,270 --> 00:30:51,270 of the neighborhood. 680 00:30:52,700 --> 00:30:55,030 - One way to make it a destination on a main street 681 00:30:55,080 --> 00:31:00,080 of a medium-size town or a big city was to have a big, 682 00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:03,250 elaborate, brightly-lit marquee and then 683 00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:04,580 what they used to call a blade. 684 00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:05,790 - [Ross] Well the blade marquee is the vertical 685 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,560 one that's attached to the front of the building 686 00:31:07,610 --> 00:31:10,743 and it's usually just the name of the theater. 687 00:31:12,180 --> 00:31:15,470 - Chicago had an interesting situation happen. 688 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,760 The theater we're in now called 689 00:31:17,810 --> 00:31:20,490 the Music Box, you see the letters there, 690 00:31:20,540 --> 00:31:22,990 but there's no backplate behind it just the stroke 691 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:23,840 of the letters. 692 00:31:23,890 --> 00:31:28,400 Chicago initiated attacks on the square foot area of signs. 693 00:31:28,450 --> 00:31:30,500 So the theaters rebuilt them just with the letters 694 00:31:30,550 --> 00:31:32,700 so they'd have a minimum of square footage. 695 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,470 - They usually had a box office. 696 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,040 Many times it was a standalone little island booth. 697 00:31:41,090 --> 00:31:43,053 Sometimes it was built into a sidewall. 698 00:31:44,180 --> 00:31:45,600 If you're lucky, you had a forecourt, 699 00:31:45,650 --> 00:31:49,380 an outside lobby area that was off the sidewalk. 700 00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:52,190 Then walk into an interior lobby. 701 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,740 And in the 1920s and '30s, the interior lobby was 702 00:31:54,790 --> 00:31:56,750 really just a congregation space. 703 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,850 There was no concession stands. 704 00:31:58,900 --> 00:31:59,683 - When you walk 705 00:31:59,733 --> 00:32:01,930 into Radio City Music Hall, the first room 706 00:32:01,980 --> 00:32:04,370 that you see is the lobby and they call 707 00:32:04,420 --> 00:32:08,710 it the Grand Foyer, and it is very dramatic. 708 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,310 A secret about that: There are mirrors three stories 709 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,900 tall and they are backed with gold leaf, 710 00:32:15,950 --> 00:32:18,017 not silver like most mirrors. 711 00:32:18,067 --> 00:32:21,470 And they wanted it that way so it ensured a soft, 712 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,320 warm glow fell over the guests. 713 00:32:23,370 --> 00:32:27,560 And it does, it has a very unusual, 714 00:32:27,610 --> 00:32:29,430 interesting lighting when you go in there. 715 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:30,620 It's just beautiful. 716 00:32:30,670 --> 00:32:33,803 It's kinda hushes everybody as a matter of fact. 717 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,490 - The rug in the lobby. 718 00:32:36,540 --> 00:32:39,170 That's my favorite part: the bejeweled flying carpet 719 00:32:39,220 --> 00:32:40,950 as I like to refer to it. 720 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,110 I believe it's plastic, 721 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,750 but it's textured to appear as if it's fabric. 722 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,540 And of course it's got glass jewels that shine 723 00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:48,373 whenever the light hit them. 724 00:32:48,423 --> 00:32:50,750 It's sort of similar to the columns. 725 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,400 It's a little bit more textured, 726 00:32:52,450 --> 00:32:55,430 but these glass jewels are throughout the property. 727 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,480 The lamps are actually Tiffany lamps which I did 728 00:32:57,530 --> 00:32:59,140 not realize, so that's pretty cool. 729 00:32:59,190 --> 00:33:00,750 My mom told me that. 730 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,110 - The Michigan Theater was built in the late '20s 731 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,180 and that was built as a movie palace. 732 00:33:05,230 --> 00:33:09,310 And so it was modeled off of the opera houses 733 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,070 of the 1800s and so you've got this barrel ceiling. 734 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,383 Both of the staircases sweep down in a bit of an arc. 735 00:33:17,730 --> 00:33:20,683 - This lobby is breathtaking, spectacular. 736 00:33:21,580 --> 00:33:23,710 You don't see lobbies like this. 737 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,840 I mean maybe I've seen them in Europe at some 738 00:33:25,890 --> 00:33:27,250 of the cathedrals. 739 00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:29,670 It's unique to this country. 740 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,910 So this is the money shot. 741 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,750 This is the highlight of the building, 742 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,260 but there are others. 743 00:33:35,310 --> 00:33:37,360 - [Man] There is a mezzanine lobby up the stairs 744 00:33:37,410 --> 00:33:38,600 that would feed the balcony, 745 00:33:38,650 --> 00:33:39,980 Or if it was a bigger theater, 746 00:33:40,030 --> 00:33:42,117 it might feed a mezzanine level and a balcony. 747 00:33:42,167 --> 00:33:44,910 You might even have three lobbies. 748 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,990 And then you have the main auditorium, 749 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,373 (soft orchestral music) 750 00:33:52,390 --> 00:33:53,323 the balcony, 751 00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,570 and your gallery or it could be 752 00:33:59,620 --> 00:34:01,310 a mezzanine, another balcony. 753 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,660 They just had different names for these parts. 754 00:34:05,810 --> 00:34:08,980 - [Rosemary] It's a very wide open space. 755 00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:12,157 Because of that fabulous ceiling, it just feels big. 756 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,130 - The level of detail throughout the property 757 00:34:18,180 --> 00:34:20,730 is as I said earlier, it's excruciating. 758 00:34:20,780 --> 00:34:22,910 Like you know, when you come in here every time, 759 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,920 I've owned it for two 1/2 years and every time I come 760 00:34:24,970 --> 00:34:26,940 in here, it's something new that I notice. 761 00:34:26,990 --> 00:34:28,980 And that's just the level of detail and you know, 762 00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:30,070 they really took their time. 763 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,920 And when I first came in here, I thought that you know, 764 00:34:32,970 --> 00:34:37,640 maybe it was some like method of 3D printing plaster 765 00:34:37,690 --> 00:34:40,330 that they use because of the intricacy and the detail 766 00:34:40,380 --> 00:34:41,370 in all of the designs. 767 00:34:41,420 --> 00:34:43,970 But when you look really closely at some of the stuff, 768 00:34:44,020 --> 00:34:46,220 you can see that it's actually hand-painted. 769 00:34:46,270 --> 00:34:49,250 So there were people in here hand painting every facet 770 00:34:49,300 --> 00:34:51,340 of the design, which is just incredible. 771 00:34:51,390 --> 00:34:53,750 I mean I can't even imagine how much labor 772 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:54,583 that took, you know? 773 00:34:54,633 --> 00:34:56,400 They don't build 'em like this any more. 774 00:34:58,210 --> 00:34:59,410 - These films were all silent. 775 00:34:59,460 --> 00:35:00,770 But pretty early on, 776 00:35:00,820 --> 00:35:03,820 the smart owners of theaters even storefront 777 00:35:03,870 --> 00:35:06,630 theaters realized that sitting in silence was not 778 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,543 very entertaining, and they hired pianists. 779 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,310 Eventually, the pianists became theater organists. 780 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,940 And organ companies like Wurlitzer started 781 00:35:16,990 --> 00:35:19,730 manufacturing theater organs specifically 782 00:35:19,780 --> 00:35:21,040 for movie theaters. 783 00:35:21,090 --> 00:35:24,340 (cheerful organ music) 784 00:35:27,140 --> 00:35:31,050 - [Rosemary] The organs played before and after the film. 785 00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:32,730 - [Man] Organ grills on either side 786 00:35:32,780 --> 00:35:34,680 of the proscenium you'll see some sort 787 00:35:34,730 --> 00:35:36,740 of big ornamental frame. 788 00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:40,320 - There was a Wurlitzer organ and apparently 789 00:35:40,370 --> 00:35:43,463 that's in some rich guy's house in California. 790 00:35:44,410 --> 00:35:48,450 - Because these pipes are in the walls of the theater, 791 00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:51,830 you could feel the vibration of that organ 792 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,280 throughout the entire theater. 793 00:35:55,330 --> 00:35:57,363 And if you were in the dressing room, 794 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,950 you could feel it vibrating on the wall. 795 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,233 That was very dramatic. It was very cool. 796 00:36:05,260 --> 00:36:07,620 - And then in the great-great-theaters, 797 00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:09,090 there were complete orchestras. 798 00:36:09,140 --> 00:36:11,150 Sometimes symphonic symphony orchestras 799 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,533 (soft orchestral music) 800 00:36:16,420 --> 00:36:18,370 all meant to accompany the silent film. 801 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,140 - The time that the movie palaces were created was 802 00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:25,520 a time when people needed an escape going 803 00:36:25,570 --> 00:36:28,510 through the depression, going through the World Wars. 804 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,940 This was a place that everyone rich or poor could 805 00:36:30,990 --> 00:36:33,830 come and escape those things and go into another world. 806 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,213 (soft orchestral music) 807 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:42,580 - You didn't live in a mansion. 808 00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:44,230 You didn't live in a palace, 809 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,310 but you could walk to that movie theater 810 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,600 and almost experience what the rich people experience. 811 00:36:49,650 --> 00:36:51,260 - [Man] When you went into the theater, 812 00:36:51,310 --> 00:36:53,250 the whole atmosphere was yours. 813 00:36:53,300 --> 00:36:55,820 You could live in a small apartment with a hot 814 00:36:55,870 --> 00:36:57,220 radiator by the window. 815 00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:58,910 But you could enter into a palace or you could sit 816 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,993 on a throne, it didn't cost very much. 817 00:37:01,910 --> 00:37:03,450 - For less than a dollar, 818 00:37:03,500 --> 00:37:07,333 they could come to a place like this and feel pampered too. 819 00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:11,040 Uniformed ushers, ticket takers, 820 00:37:11,090 --> 00:37:13,880 people who are trained with almost military precision 821 00:37:13,930 --> 00:37:17,030 to be courteous and polite to a guy who maybe was 822 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:18,313 a streetcar conductor. 823 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,180 Everyone was treated well. 824 00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:23,950 That was part of the idea too, 825 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,973 that an ordinary person could come to a place like this. 826 00:37:29,090 --> 00:37:31,000 - We've done some oral history work 827 00:37:31,050 --> 00:37:35,720 with Cherry Balaban Robins and she is the daughter 828 00:37:35,770 --> 00:37:37,840 of AJ Balaban, who was part 829 00:37:37,890 --> 00:37:39,970 of the Balaban and Katz chain here in Chicago. 830 00:37:40,020 --> 00:37:42,740 And they built all of the great movie palaces here. 831 00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:45,210 And she said that her father always said 832 00:37:45,260 --> 00:37:47,870 that everyone that came in the door was a prince 833 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,190 and a princess and they all paid the same amount 834 00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:52,840 and they all deserve to be treated like a prince 835 00:37:52,890 --> 00:37:54,050 and a princess. 836 00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:56,150 They wore crisp uniforms. 837 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:57,400 They had white gloves. 838 00:37:57,450 --> 00:37:58,560 They had flashlights. 839 00:37:58,610 --> 00:38:02,250 They had rules and regulations and training. 840 00:38:02,300 --> 00:38:03,680 They were the frontlines. 841 00:38:03,730 --> 00:38:06,133 They represented the owners and operators. 842 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,180 - They were inspected every morning. 843 00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:10,500 They had to get dressed into their uniforms 844 00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:13,630 and they'd appear in that beautiful grand foyer. 845 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,140 And like the Army, 846 00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:16,620 they would go down and make sure 847 00:38:16,670 --> 00:38:18,670 that they were all properly. 848 00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:20,120 And if they weren't, fix it. 849 00:38:22,340 --> 00:38:23,880 - One of the appeals of going to the movie house was 850 00:38:23,930 --> 00:38:25,820 that you were treated this way and that you could go 851 00:38:25,870 --> 00:38:27,510 to an elaborate bathroom. 852 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,600 - A lot of these theaters had what was known 853 00:38:29,650 --> 00:38:30,680 as the women's powder room, 854 00:38:30,730 --> 00:38:32,310 which was a room directly in front 855 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,363 of the women's bathroom or the men's smoking room. 856 00:38:36,770 --> 00:38:37,580 - It used to be a treat. 857 00:38:37,630 --> 00:38:40,590 When I was young and my parents used to take me there, 858 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:41,647 my brother and I would, 859 00:38:41,697 --> 00:38:43,790 "Can we go downstairs to the lounge?" 860 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,040 (chuckles) 'Cause we wanted to go into those rooms 861 00:38:46,090 --> 00:38:49,140 'cause they were just like something you never saw before. 862 00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:52,523 (soft orchestral music) 863 00:38:54,090 --> 00:38:56,790 And the women's lounge looks like something 864 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,210 out of a Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers movie. 865 00:38:59,260 --> 00:39:01,917 The men's lounge, there's a painting in there called 866 00:39:01,967 --> 00:39:03,320 "Men without Women." 867 00:39:03,370 --> 00:39:04,760 It's very Art Deco. 868 00:39:04,810 --> 00:39:09,310 It's got all symbols on it of manhood: a razor 869 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:10,610 and a pipe and all that, 870 00:39:10,660 --> 00:39:12,890 all the things that men do without us. 871 00:39:12,940 --> 00:39:15,480 - [Man] And there were dressing tables with mirrors. 872 00:39:15,530 --> 00:39:18,253 They actually supplied makeup for the ladies. 873 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,320 - Theaters had little banners on the marquee said, 874 00:39:21,370 --> 00:39:23,470 come on in, it's cool inside. 875 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:24,373 And it was. 876 00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:27,770 Whether it was the early process of air cooling 877 00:39:27,820 --> 00:39:29,260 or later air conditioning, 878 00:39:29,310 --> 00:39:32,050 that was your mecca during a heatwave because not 879 00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:35,060 many houses had air conditioning in those days. 880 00:39:35,110 --> 00:39:37,860 - What's wonderful about this era of movie palaces 881 00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:41,070 in the '20s and '30s is the amazing creativity and design. 882 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:42,640 They were building fantasies. 883 00:39:42,690 --> 00:39:43,473 I like to call 884 00:39:43,523 --> 00:39:46,180 the sort of general architecture style Hollywood fantasy. 885 00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:48,270 - That's the beautiful thing about an older art house 886 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,060 is you go in and it usually has that theme. 887 00:39:51,110 --> 00:39:53,290 - Then you had this particular type that walked 888 00:39:53,340 --> 00:39:55,880 in and it was like walking into a Spanish courtyard 889 00:39:55,930 --> 00:39:57,393 or a Persian courtyard. 890 00:39:58,930 --> 00:40:01,720 John Eberson, his style was like the theater 891 00:40:01,770 --> 00:40:04,160 that we're sitting in now: a dark-blue ceiling 892 00:40:04,210 --> 00:40:06,160 with twinkling electric stars in it, 893 00:40:06,210 --> 00:40:08,853 a projector that caused clouds to move across. 894 00:40:10,210 --> 00:40:12,560 - [Man] It looked like a night sky and around the edges, 895 00:40:12,610 --> 00:40:15,533 it would look like a small village in Spain. 896 00:40:17,790 --> 00:40:19,940 - John Everson, who's the architect of this building, 897 00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:23,370 designed it as a study in Moorish revival 898 00:40:23,420 --> 00:40:25,650 architecture and you can see it in the facade 899 00:40:25,700 --> 00:40:26,483 behind me here. 900 00:40:26,533 --> 00:40:29,160 You know, it's very like courtyardish, 901 00:40:29,210 --> 00:40:32,240 very Moorish, Middle Eastern influenced 902 00:40:32,290 --> 00:40:33,350 and if you look very closely, 903 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,300 there are different parts around the auditorium 904 00:40:35,350 --> 00:40:36,240 and the lobby. 905 00:40:36,290 --> 00:40:37,350 They're written in English, 906 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,370 but they're stylized as Arabic. 907 00:40:40,420 --> 00:40:42,820 There's one behind me and it says, please be seated, 908 00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:43,653 I beg you. 909 00:40:43,703 --> 00:40:45,170 And then there's several others. 910 00:40:45,220 --> 00:40:46,190 - Another architect 911 00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:48,520 from New York, Thomas W. Lamb, who probably did 912 00:40:48,570 --> 00:40:51,330 more theaters than anybody else, was more refined. 913 00:40:51,380 --> 00:40:52,890 He chose the Adams style. 914 00:40:52,940 --> 00:40:56,140 The Adam brothers being decorators in the 18th century 915 00:40:56,190 --> 00:40:57,540 in England who did a lot of what they call 916 00:40:57,590 --> 00:40:59,110 the great houses over there. 917 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,260 - I don't know why they would choose these themes. 918 00:41:01,310 --> 00:41:03,390 I think it was just because they were building so many 919 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:04,880 of these theaters. 920 00:41:04,930 --> 00:41:06,713 - The architects could go wild. 921 00:41:07,860 --> 00:41:10,760 There was a certain drive for novelty 922 00:41:10,810 --> 00:41:14,100 and a tremendous drive for grandeur and it depended 923 00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:15,570 often who the architect was. 924 00:41:15,620 --> 00:41:18,370 There was a great firm in Chicago, two brothers, 925 00:41:18,420 --> 00:41:21,080 Cornelius and George Rapp, Rapp and Rapp. 926 00:41:21,130 --> 00:41:24,040 They got enamored of the Palace of Versailles. 927 00:41:24,090 --> 00:41:25,900 - Rapp and Rapp designed this theater, 928 00:41:25,950 --> 00:41:27,030 the Loew's Jersey, as well 929 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,543 as the Kings and the Uptown in Chicago. 930 00:41:30,765 --> 00:41:34,098 (soft orchestral music) 931 00:41:35,110 --> 00:41:37,240 - And then you have these amazing murals, 932 00:41:37,290 --> 00:41:39,790 many of them by Heinzbergen and his company 933 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:40,830 and of all styles. 934 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,520 So he had things that were very baroque, 935 00:41:44,570 --> 00:41:47,370 very classical, all the way to the ones that he did 936 00:41:47,420 --> 00:41:50,170 in the Wilton theater which are streamlined, 937 00:41:50,220 --> 00:41:52,173 deco, geometric shapes. 938 00:41:53,420 --> 00:41:55,750 - The fresco you see behind me depicts some 939 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,990 of the United Artists stars of that period. 940 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,690 Not just the four founders but some others like the young, 941 00:42:00,740 --> 00:42:02,393 dashing Ronald Coleman is there. 942 00:42:02,443 --> 00:42:04,550 Rudolph Valetino is there. 943 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,900 And when modern audiences get to see a film 944 00:42:07,950 --> 00:42:12,300 in a theater like this today, it's a special experience. 945 00:42:12,350 --> 00:42:13,990 Oh my gosh, look at that. 946 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,423 Well 100 years ago, it was an everyday experience. 947 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,950 I can't imagine it either (chuckles) 948 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,220 but this is where you would go on an ordinary 949 00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:26,810 Friday or Saturday night to see a new movie. 950 00:42:26,860 --> 00:42:31,860 - The big transformation came with sound movies in 1927. 951 00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:34,020 Al Jolson was there on the screen. 952 00:42:34,070 --> 00:42:34,960 He sang a song. 953 00:42:35,010 --> 00:42:37,200 That hadn't been done before. 954 00:42:37,250 --> 00:42:39,080 - Wait a minute, wait a minute. 955 00:42:39,130 --> 00:42:40,540 You ain't heard nothin' yet. 956 00:42:40,590 --> 00:42:43,080 Wait a minute, I tell ya, you ain't heard nothin'. 957 00:42:43,130 --> 00:42:44,390 You wanna hear "Toot Toot Tootsie"? 958 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,890 All right, hold on, hold on. 959 00:42:46,940 --> 00:42:49,607 (upbeat music) 960 00:42:50,834 --> 00:42:54,300 ♪ Toot toot tootsie, goodbye. ♪ 961 00:42:54,350 --> 00:42:55,210 - And people hadn't. 962 00:42:55,260 --> 00:42:57,470 They had not heard anything yet from a movie. 963 00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,670 It was a precious saying that is made 964 00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:00,620 in that one sense. 965 00:43:01,970 --> 00:43:04,553 (upbeat music) 966 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,080 Well after the First World War, people thought 967 00:43:08,130 --> 00:43:10,290 that the prosperity and the joyous good times would 968 00:43:10,340 --> 00:43:11,740 go on forever. 969 00:43:11,790 --> 00:43:14,110 Eventually the Depression was gonna come along. 970 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:15,990 Nobody knew that was gonna happen. 971 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,190 - Once you got into the '30s, that's when it was 972 00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:21,590 getting harder and harder to be a real success. 973 00:43:22,490 --> 00:43:24,667 - These were very very expensive buildings, 974 00:43:24,717 --> 00:43:27,500 and they had to pay for all the upkeep in terms of heat, 975 00:43:27,550 --> 00:43:30,710 electricity, fixing carpets and upholstery 976 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:31,960 and paying staff. 977 00:43:32,010 --> 00:43:34,103 It's an incredibly expensive operation. 978 00:43:35,710 --> 00:43:38,760 When the '30s hit and the patrons died off, 979 00:43:38,810 --> 00:43:40,510 they were trying to figure out how to keep 980 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,220 these buildings alive. 981 00:43:42,270 --> 00:43:43,770 - [Man] Hollywood suffered from a series of real 982 00:43:43,820 --> 00:43:46,520 body blows in the late '40s and into the early '50s. 983 00:43:46,570 --> 00:43:49,433 The first was the US Consent Decree. 984 00:43:50,290 --> 00:43:52,510 - [Man] Paramount was sued by the government 985 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,780 under an antitrust lawsuit and it went 986 00:43:54,830 --> 00:43:56,310 to the Supreme Court and they decided 987 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,393 that these movie studios could not own theaters any more. 988 00:44:01,210 --> 00:44:03,880 - No longer could MGM count on its films being shown 989 00:44:03,930 --> 00:44:06,460 in Loew's theaters and taking money out of one pocket 990 00:44:06,510 --> 00:44:07,710 and putting it in another, 991 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,290 which changed the entire way movies were made 992 00:44:10,340 --> 00:44:11,663 and financed in Hollywood. 993 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,850 Then there was television and television caught 994 00:44:15,900 --> 00:44:18,440 on pretty darn fast. 995 00:44:18,490 --> 00:44:21,360 By the early 50s, not everybody, 996 00:44:21,410 --> 00:44:23,660 but a lot of people bought television sets 997 00:44:23,710 --> 00:44:25,190 and that became a magnet. 998 00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:27,120 People would gather in Uncle Joe's apartment 999 00:44:27,170 --> 00:44:29,100 because he had a television set. 1000 00:44:29,150 --> 00:44:30,390 - When that happened, I think, 1001 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,670 that's when theaters started to decline. 1002 00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:37,200 - And then tastes changed and the streamlined look 1003 00:44:37,250 --> 00:44:40,370 of the '50s and '60s that was reflected in automobiles 1004 00:44:40,420 --> 00:44:43,050 and other kinds of modern design, 1005 00:44:43,100 --> 00:44:45,390 caused some theaters to change their marquees. 1006 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:46,480 - Your little reader boards, 1007 00:44:46,530 --> 00:44:49,170 your little rectangular marquees were replaced 1008 00:44:49,220 --> 00:44:50,720 with angles so that people could see 'em 1009 00:44:50,770 --> 00:44:52,210 as they were driving quickly by. 1010 00:44:52,260 --> 00:44:54,070 Many of the marquees that have those angles, 1011 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:55,690 those aren't the original marquees. 1012 00:44:55,740 --> 00:44:57,498 - In the early '20s and you know, 1013 00:44:57,548 --> 00:44:59,710 going into the '30s, you didn't have concessions 1014 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:00,910 in the movie theater. 1015 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,570 In the case of the Michigan, sometime in the '50s probably, 1016 00:45:03,620 --> 00:45:05,390 is when they added that in and you know, 1017 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,060 they started selling popcorn and soda. 1018 00:45:08,110 --> 00:45:10,330 - [Man] The movie palaces were downtown. 1019 00:45:10,380 --> 00:45:12,550 After the Second World War, people began to move 1020 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,070 into the suburbs. 1021 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,100 - The American dream is to have your nice little 1022 00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:19,280 house and yard and your car. 1023 00:45:19,330 --> 00:45:20,840 People left the cities. 1024 00:45:20,890 --> 00:45:23,030 - And then the baby boom happened. 1025 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,370 So the industry responded very smartly. 1026 00:45:25,420 --> 00:45:26,830 They developed drive-in theaters. 1027 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,380 You could put the kid in the backseat and you could 1028 00:45:28,430 --> 00:45:29,470 watch the movie. 1029 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,410 - This was just one blow after another to the way 1030 00:45:32,460 --> 00:45:36,050 they had done business as usual for decades. 1031 00:45:36,100 --> 00:45:37,390 - People did go to the movies. 1032 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,760 The attendance was pretty much cut in half in those years. 1033 00:45:40,810 --> 00:45:42,950 Hollywood didn't quite know what to do. 1034 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,160 Bunch of crazy guys in New York came up 1035 00:45:45,210 --> 00:45:47,160 with a system called Cinerama which came 1036 00:45:47,210 --> 00:45:49,010 out of World War II, a training device 1037 00:45:49,060 --> 00:45:50,850 that trained aerial gunners. 1038 00:45:50,900 --> 00:45:53,180 They converted it into three panels on a curved screen, 1039 00:45:53,230 --> 00:45:55,680 a regular curved screen and it became very immersive. 1040 00:45:55,730 --> 00:45:57,630 (soft orchestral music) 1041 00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,090 They tried selling this to Hollywood. 1042 00:45:59,140 --> 00:46:01,106 Everybody came out and looked at it and was 1043 00:46:01,156 --> 00:46:02,750 pretty impressed with it. 1044 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:03,773 But my god, you know? 1045 00:46:03,823 --> 00:46:05,560 Your three projection booths, 1046 00:46:05,610 --> 00:46:08,310 you got all this film and a giant screen you gotta put 1047 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:09,143 in and all this stuff. 1048 00:46:09,193 --> 00:46:11,110 It became impractical for them. 1049 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,683 So they just kinda walked away from it. 1050 00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,790 And then when Cinerama hit in 1952, it went gangbusters. 1051 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,910 I mean literally a movie playing in a movie theater 1052 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,450 for three years straight you know 1053 00:46:24,500 --> 00:46:25,685 and you can't get tickets. 1054 00:46:25,735 --> 00:46:27,910 (chuckles) That reserved seat. 1055 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,440 That's the shock that hit Hollywood. 1056 00:46:30,490 --> 00:46:34,270 It stayed pretty successful for about 12 years or more. 1057 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,860 The immersive part of Cinerama sound is the fact 1058 00:46:36,910 --> 00:46:39,700 that sound would follow something on the screen, 1059 00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:43,180 so it almost had an extra dimension of realism. 1060 00:46:43,230 --> 00:46:46,750 As Lowell Thomas would say, It was more real than real. 1061 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,380 Cinerama hit so hard. 1062 00:46:48,430 --> 00:46:50,440 Hollywood knew they had to do something. 1063 00:46:50,490 --> 00:46:51,273 - That's when they developed 1064 00:46:51,323 --> 00:46:53,560 CinemaScope and stereophonic sound. 1065 00:46:53,610 --> 00:46:55,620 - [Announcer] Celebrities and the man in the street 1066 00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:57,820 crowd Hollywood's famous boulevard to attend 1067 00:46:57,870 --> 00:46:58,680 the CinemaScope premiere 1068 00:46:58,730 --> 00:47:01,220 of How to "Marry A Millionaire," the first romantic 1069 00:47:01,270 --> 00:47:03,623 comedy to be filmed in the new miracle medium. 1070 00:47:04,510 --> 00:47:06,080 - [David] They came up with CinemaScope. 1071 00:47:06,130 --> 00:47:07,890 They started shooting "The Robe" and it became 1072 00:47:07,940 --> 00:47:09,433 a big success as well. 1073 00:47:10,700 --> 00:47:13,790 - These were all invented with the specific purpose 1074 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,850 of drawing people out of their homes and back 1075 00:47:15,900 --> 00:47:17,280 into movie theaters. 1076 00:47:17,330 --> 00:47:20,420 If you wanted to show wide-screen CinemaScope, you had 1077 00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:23,030 to somehow widen your theater, your proscenium. 1078 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:24,783 If you wanted to hear stereophonic sound, 1079 00:47:24,833 --> 00:47:27,360 you had to have a porous screen. 1080 00:47:27,410 --> 00:47:30,110 That's when the silver screens started to disappear. 1081 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,650 - Paramount came up with something called VistaVision. 1082 00:47:32,700 --> 00:47:34,640 Then there was Technirama, Technoscope. 1083 00:47:34,690 --> 00:47:36,890 There's all these various wide-screen scopes 1084 00:47:36,940 --> 00:47:38,580 and ramas all over the place. 1085 00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:40,370 But it was expensive for theaters to do that. 1086 00:47:40,420 --> 00:47:43,270 This is in the '50s, so people were starting to come 1087 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,255 back to the movies again. 1088 00:47:45,305 --> 00:47:47,820 But theaters really evolved and did lots of stuff 1089 00:47:47,870 --> 00:47:48,960 you know, in the '50s. 1090 00:47:49,010 --> 00:47:50,620 Maybe even in early '60s. 1091 00:47:50,670 --> 00:47:51,690 You could win plays. 1092 00:47:51,740 --> 00:47:53,110 There was a bingo night. 1093 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:54,490 There was always something going 1094 00:47:54,540 --> 00:47:56,000 on at the local movie theater. 1095 00:47:56,050 --> 00:47:58,500 I can remember in the '50s, they had cartoon shows 1096 00:47:58,550 --> 00:48:00,530 for kids where you'd have like you know, 1097 00:48:00,580 --> 00:48:02,350 30 cartoons or something, you know? 1098 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,180 Big extravaganza on a Saturday. 1099 00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:05,880 And of course parents loved that because all 1100 00:48:05,930 --> 00:48:07,510 the kids were down at the movie theater. 1101 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,530 They can go off and do what they wanted to do 1102 00:48:09,580 --> 00:48:12,200 because the babysitter movie theater was gonna cover 1103 00:48:12,250 --> 00:48:14,660 'em with all the Tom and Jerry cartoons they could handle. 1104 00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:17,020 (lion roaring) (cheerful orchestral music) 1105 00:48:17,070 --> 00:48:20,050 (Tom meowing) 1106 00:48:20,100 --> 00:48:21,780 - I can remember goin' to the Alger Theater. 1107 00:48:21,830 --> 00:48:25,230 I think the admission was 12 cents on Saturday afternoon. 1108 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,140 Five cartoons, three serials and a guy's dressed up 1109 00:48:28,190 --> 00:48:31,880 in tin foil martians or whatever they might be 1110 00:48:31,930 --> 00:48:33,087 and the sound of, 1111 00:48:33,137 --> 00:48:36,480 "Yay," coming from the audience every few seconds 1112 00:48:36,530 --> 00:48:38,840 as something significant happened. 1113 00:48:38,890 --> 00:48:42,600 - 3D in the '50s was an interesting thing and king 1114 00:48:42,650 --> 00:48:45,190 of the gimmicks was William Castle who came up 1115 00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:48,270 with all kinds of things: Emergo, Illusion-O, all 1116 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,160 these various things that were kind of cheap tricks, 1117 00:48:51,210 --> 00:48:53,900 but they were fun cheap tricks. 1118 00:48:53,950 --> 00:48:55,287 One of 'em was with the movie 1119 00:48:55,337 --> 00:48:57,970 "The Tingler," a Vincent Price movie. 1120 00:48:58,020 --> 00:49:00,030 They would have these old aircraft parts 1121 00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:01,910 that had vibrators on 'em and they would put 'em 1122 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,750 under bunch of seats in the auditorium. 1123 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,290 At a certain point in the movie, 1124 00:49:05,340 --> 00:49:08,260 these would kick in and they'd vibrate and you'd get 1125 00:49:08,310 --> 00:49:11,370 a jolt, or skeletons flying from the balcony down 1126 00:49:11,420 --> 00:49:13,600 towards the stage. 1127 00:49:13,650 --> 00:49:15,090 A guy named Hans Laube invented 1128 00:49:15,140 --> 00:49:16,940 something called Scentovision. 1129 00:49:16,990 --> 00:49:19,550 And so they decided to come up with a scenario based 1130 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:20,770 on an old detective novel. 1131 00:49:20,820 --> 00:49:23,950 And they added all these smell elements to the film 1132 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,010 so that they could pump them into the theater. 1133 00:49:26,060 --> 00:49:28,720 And how they did that was a bunch of little vials 1134 00:49:28,770 --> 00:49:30,960 that would hit and it'd go through a tube and come 1135 00:49:31,010 --> 00:49:33,700 out on almost every other seat in the theater. 1136 00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:35,310 That's all part of showmanship. 1137 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,760 They were thinking outside the box every minute. 1138 00:49:39,060 --> 00:49:41,940 Now roadshows were usually extra-large movies 1139 00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:44,040 like "Lawrence of Arabia," "Mutiny on the Bounty." 1140 00:49:44,090 --> 00:49:45,610 Those were real event movies. 1141 00:49:45,660 --> 00:49:46,880 If you wanted to see that movie, 1142 00:49:46,930 --> 00:49:48,830 you had to drive to the big city and there'd be 1143 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,060 an overture to begin with to get you in the mood 1144 00:49:51,110 --> 00:49:51,893 for the movie. 1145 00:49:51,943 --> 00:49:53,970 And then the lights would dim slowly as the music 1146 00:49:54,020 --> 00:49:56,460 is building towards its crescendo and then 1147 00:49:56,510 --> 00:49:58,280 the curtains would open with perfect timing 1148 00:49:58,330 --> 00:50:00,630 and the MGM lion would growl. 1149 00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,263 (lion roaring) 1150 00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,920 You almost got goosebumps because they took the time 1151 00:50:06,970 --> 00:50:08,233 to do that right. 1152 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,010 - Go into the mid to late 1960s, you have a period 1153 00:50:15,060 --> 00:50:17,360 of racial division, social division. 1154 00:50:17,410 --> 00:50:20,800 (somber piano music) 1155 00:50:20,850 --> 00:50:22,890 (crowd shouting) 1156 00:50:22,940 --> 00:50:26,033 - Some of the cities continued to thrive, others did not. 1157 00:50:29,790 --> 00:50:30,573 And in many cities, 1158 00:50:30,623 --> 00:50:33,360 the downtown areas became somewhat deserted. 1159 00:50:33,410 --> 00:50:35,640 In some cases, rundown. 1160 00:50:35,690 --> 00:50:39,190 (somber orchestral music) 1161 00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:42,760 People were known for patronizing the stores 1162 00:50:42,810 --> 00:50:44,610 that have been there because there was equivalent 1163 00:50:44,660 --> 00:50:45,773 out in the suburbs. 1164 00:50:49,580 --> 00:50:52,893 - Retail, as well as entertainment, killed the theaters. 1165 00:51:02,700 --> 00:51:05,650 - The movie theater that was popular in 1938 is now 1166 00:51:05,700 --> 00:51:08,160 you know, hardly gets anybody in it but bums and stuff 1167 00:51:08,210 --> 00:51:09,430 to get warm. 1168 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,410 There was a point where someone told me 1169 00:51:11,460 --> 00:51:13,960 in Los Angeles in one of the theaters where a lot 1170 00:51:14,010 --> 00:51:15,860 of bums would come in 'cause you could get in for like 1171 00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:17,440 a dollar or something, you know. 1172 00:51:17,490 --> 00:51:19,080 They'd be urinating on the floor. 1173 00:51:19,130 --> 00:51:19,913 And at the end, 1174 00:51:19,963 --> 00:51:21,116 the cleaning crew literally took hoses 1175 00:51:21,166 --> 00:51:23,390 and just watered down the whole floor 1176 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:24,560 for the next day's show. 1177 00:51:24,610 --> 00:51:26,893 I mean that's how bad it got in some cases. 1178 00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:32,320 (siren wailing) 1179 00:51:32,370 --> 00:51:34,190 - You've also got the elevation of crime. 1180 00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:36,190 And even if it isn't an elevation of crime, 1181 00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:38,750 it's a notion that crime is elevating. 1182 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,693 That sort of sets the stage for the 1970s. 1183 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,080 - The city was a mess during that time. 1184 00:51:48,130 --> 00:51:49,760 It was hard to get tourists to come in 1185 00:51:49,810 --> 00:51:52,700 because the city became dangerous to some people. 1186 00:51:52,750 --> 00:51:54,710 I lived there, so I was sort of used to it. 1187 00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,500 But there were certain sections in that area 1188 00:51:58,550 --> 00:52:01,950 that you didn't go to. 1189 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,430 - People ask me you know, "How was the block? 1190 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,160 Were people gettin' robbed all the time?" 1191 00:52:06,210 --> 00:52:08,230 And it's like well there's not really much 1192 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:09,537 goin' on out there. 1193 00:52:09,587 --> 00:52:12,110 I mean the jerk chicken store across the street 1194 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:13,548 is closed and you know, 1195 00:52:13,598 --> 00:52:15,410 there are a couple other buildings across the street 1196 00:52:15,460 --> 00:52:17,270 that you know, were once functioning when the theater 1197 00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,660 was open but are now closed. 1198 00:52:19,710 --> 00:52:21,600 There are communities like the south side 1199 00:52:21,650 --> 00:52:23,290 of Chicago across the nation. 1200 00:52:23,340 --> 00:52:25,830 But of course, this is one of the larger examples 1201 00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:30,880 of what happens when there is strategic disinvestment 1202 00:52:31,550 --> 00:52:32,760 in a community. 1203 00:52:32,810 --> 00:52:37,810 And unfortunately, the Regal sort of was 1204 00:52:38,550 --> 00:52:40,140 on the backend of all of that. 1205 00:52:40,190 --> 00:52:41,850 - The theaters had to change. 1206 00:52:41,900 --> 00:52:44,170 That's the way it goes: everything changes. 1207 00:52:44,220 --> 00:52:46,990 And so moving away from some of the first-run product, 1208 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:48,893 they had to go to other programming. 1209 00:52:51,460 --> 00:52:53,790 - Some of them became what they called grind houses 1210 00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,730 as they did on 42nd Street in New York City. 1211 00:52:56,780 --> 00:52:59,410 (funky jazz music) 1212 00:52:59,460 --> 00:53:01,290 Some of them stayed open all night attracting 1213 00:53:01,340 --> 00:53:02,923 a somewhat seedy audience. 1214 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,490 Some of them showed blaxploitation films 1215 00:53:13,540 --> 00:53:15,200 because they weren't gonna be shown 1216 00:53:15,250 --> 00:53:16,943 in the suburban theaters. 1217 00:53:25,150 --> 00:53:29,270 - Which are kinda huge success between say 1971 and 1975. 1218 00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:30,650 You've got martial arts films, 1219 00:53:30,700 --> 00:53:31,640 which are increasingly coming 1220 00:53:31,690 --> 00:53:34,100 over from Asia and also being homegrown and then 1221 00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:36,990 you have even hybrids, mixing of all those, 1222 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:38,980 so soon there's a difference in terms 1223 00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:41,800 of even the content the movie theaters are showing. 1224 00:53:41,850 --> 00:53:43,720 - People could live vicariously through that too 1225 00:53:43,770 --> 00:53:45,320 because you know, there's the villain again. 1226 00:53:45,370 --> 00:53:46,200 There's the bad guy. 1227 00:53:46,250 --> 00:53:47,150 There's Bruce Lee. 1228 00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:51,110 (intense music) (Bruce Lee vocalizing) 1229 00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:52,660 So it did work for a while. 1230 00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:54,780 - The art house is growing, independent film is growing. 1231 00:53:54,830 --> 00:53:56,580 You have people who are going to film schools 1232 00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:57,940 and they're interested in seeing art films 1233 00:53:57,990 --> 00:53:59,890 and European films, avant-garde cinema, 1234 00:53:59,940 --> 00:54:03,160 experimental cinema, independent films, global films. 1235 00:54:03,210 --> 00:54:05,480 You have the adult films which are drawing off 1236 00:54:05,530 --> 00:54:08,010 the same kind of importation of European art films 1237 00:54:08,060 --> 00:54:10,920 which have higher sexual content. 1238 00:54:10,970 --> 00:54:11,753 All of a sudden, 1239 00:54:11,803 --> 00:54:13,120 those are becoming more mainstream and soon 1240 00:54:13,170 --> 00:54:14,480 the adult film industry figures 1241 00:54:14,530 --> 00:54:16,000 out that they can actually have mainstream 1242 00:54:16,050 --> 00:54:19,390 theatrical films in movie theaters capped of course 1243 00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,917 by the incredible success of "Deep Throat." 1244 00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,430 - [Rosemary] 42nd Street between Broadway 1245 00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,860 and Eighth Avenue, all those fabulous theaters 1246 00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:28,810 that were there turned 1247 00:54:28,860 --> 00:54:31,340 into porno houses and they let some 1248 00:54:31,390 --> 00:54:34,213 of the theaters just go. 1249 00:54:34,263 --> 00:54:37,470 - And then you got into the revival house era 1250 00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,390 and that's when I really became involved at a lot 1251 00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:41,920 of the historic theaters. 1252 00:54:41,970 --> 00:54:43,750 Best film education I ever got was 1253 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,730 in the Rialto Theater, the Vista Theater, 1254 00:54:45,780 --> 00:54:47,090 the New Art Theater where they were 1255 00:54:47,140 --> 00:54:49,693 just showing classic movies every single day. 1256 00:54:51,230 --> 00:54:53,470 - Here on Broadway in Los Angeles, good example 1257 00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,740 of what happened to a lot of these theaters. 1258 00:54:55,790 --> 00:54:58,250 Some of them became Spanish language theaters. 1259 00:54:58,300 --> 00:55:00,970 - If you've got people that speak Spanish, then you're there 1260 00:55:01,020 --> 00:55:02,320 to serve the neighborhood. 1261 00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:09,040 But what's really happening overall 1262 00:55:09,090 --> 00:55:13,390 is that the giant movie palace makes very little sense 1263 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,560 in almost all of these instances because you can't 1264 00:55:16,610 --> 00:55:19,130 pack most of the movie palaces downtown 1265 00:55:19,180 --> 00:55:20,570 with these kinds of movies. 1266 00:55:20,620 --> 00:55:22,890 - In some cases, the theaters changed hands. 1267 00:55:22,940 --> 00:55:25,700 They were no longer owned by big corporations 1268 00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:28,250 and a lot of them were allowed to deteriorate, 1269 00:55:28,300 --> 00:55:31,173 some rather sharply and some rather grimly. 1270 00:55:32,110 --> 00:55:36,040 (elegant orchestral music) 1271 00:55:36,090 --> 00:55:37,740 A lot of those theaters just closed down. 1272 00:55:37,790 --> 00:55:38,573 They shut down. 1273 00:55:38,623 --> 00:55:40,000 They'd lost their constituency. 1274 00:55:40,050 --> 00:55:42,583 They'd lost their vantage of a good location. 1275 00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:51,260 - [Man] These are large spaces. 1276 00:55:51,310 --> 00:55:53,510 And if you're not filling every seat, heating them 1277 00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,620 or cooling them, running the electricity 1278 00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:57,583 is very expensive. 1279 00:56:00,090 --> 00:56:01,790 - Just the cost of cleaning this thing. 1280 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,040 All of the ornamentation collects dirt and dust 1281 00:56:05,090 --> 00:56:07,480 and the marquee with moving parts 1282 00:56:07,530 --> 00:56:10,163 and the electronic circuits exposed to the weather. 1283 00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,130 It's not surprising that those things started 1284 00:56:13,180 --> 00:56:13,963 to fall apart. 1285 00:56:14,013 --> 00:56:15,710 - When the roof was leaking, 1286 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,170 you could put up with that for another year. 1287 00:56:17,220 --> 00:56:18,707 But they turned on the air conditioning 1288 00:56:18,757 --> 00:56:19,740 and it kinda worked, 1289 00:56:19,790 --> 00:56:22,470 then they went to fire up the boiler in October and bang, 1290 00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:24,470 it leaked all over the place and an awful lot 1291 00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:25,770 of these theaters closed. 1292 00:56:33,970 --> 00:56:37,190 - We had done one show at the Grenada Theater in 1973 1293 00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:39,260 on Valentine's Day and they wouldn't let us do 1294 00:56:39,310 --> 00:56:40,840 another show there, so I started looking 1295 00:56:40,890 --> 00:56:43,160 for another theater to bring our concerts 1296 00:56:43,210 --> 00:56:45,160 to and I came across this one. 1297 00:56:45,210 --> 00:56:48,480 It was owned by the same company that owned the Grenada. 1298 00:56:48,530 --> 00:56:51,880 We started on Halloween of 1975. 1299 00:56:51,930 --> 00:56:54,040 They were still showing movies here and they would 1300 00:56:54,090 --> 00:56:57,200 take out a movie whenever we had a concert. 1301 00:56:57,250 --> 00:56:59,630 Grateful Dead used to play here all the time. 1302 00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,540 Bob Marley played here regularly. 1303 00:57:01,590 --> 00:57:05,050 Frank Zappa, Genesis, Electric Light Orchestra, 1304 00:57:05,100 --> 00:57:08,660 Prince, Rick James, The Kinks. 1305 00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:09,860 When I walked in here that day, 1306 00:57:09,910 --> 00:57:14,010 the bathrooms were barely functioning and there were 1307 00:57:14,060 --> 00:57:15,590 some other issues. 1308 00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:20,433 So I said to the owner that you had to close this place. 1309 00:57:21,530 --> 00:57:22,570 It's not habitable. 1310 00:57:22,620 --> 00:57:27,303 It's gonna keep continuing to deteriorate. 1311 00:57:28,300 --> 00:57:30,850 - [Man] When a theater has been vacant for so long, 1312 00:57:30,900 --> 00:57:33,230 you have a lot of deferred maintenance is a really 1313 00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:34,550 polite way of saying it. 1314 00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,230 Then if you have vandalism, it gets even worse. 1315 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,120 - A lot of the theaters that I photographed are 1316 00:57:39,170 --> 00:57:40,990 in pretty rough shape. 1317 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,160 I have put my foot through a balcony floor. 1318 00:57:44,210 --> 00:57:46,070 I've had to climb over seats to get 1319 00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,080 to the production room because the stairs 1320 00:57:48,130 --> 00:57:50,580 are gone completely. 1321 00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:53,370 I've seen balconies that have completely caved in. 1322 00:57:53,420 --> 00:57:56,480 I've seen ceilings that have completely caved in. 1323 00:57:56,530 --> 00:57:59,460 I've also seen ones that look like someone shut them down 1324 00:57:59,510 --> 00:58:03,060 and walked out like two days before and they're fine. 1325 00:58:03,110 --> 00:58:06,210 I know the Loew's Valencia, 3,000 seat theater 1326 00:58:06,260 --> 00:58:09,040 and they just gave it to a church for $10. 1327 00:58:09,090 --> 00:58:10,530 But I think a church coming into a theater 1328 00:58:10,580 --> 00:58:12,830 and restoring it was the best option for a lot 1329 00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,630 of these spaces. 1330 00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,160 - And United Artists, that was also used as a church 1331 00:58:17,210 --> 00:58:20,440 by Dr. Jean Scott, the televangelist. 1332 00:58:20,490 --> 00:58:22,090 He was a pretty good tenant. 1333 00:58:22,140 --> 00:58:24,530 He ended up putting a lot of money into restoration 1334 00:58:24,580 --> 00:58:25,580 of the theater. 1335 00:58:25,630 --> 00:58:27,900 Another one that is a successful church 1336 00:58:27,950 --> 00:58:30,240 is the Academy in Inglewood. 1337 00:58:30,290 --> 00:58:33,930 That's an S. Charles Lee streamlined modern theater. 1338 00:58:33,980 --> 00:58:34,763 Gorgeous theater. 1339 00:58:34,813 --> 00:58:36,330 It's been in continuous use as a church 1340 00:58:36,380 --> 00:58:38,030 and they have really been good stewards. 1341 00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:39,950 They've taken great care of it. 1342 00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,653 They've restored elements of it and it's a beauty. 1343 00:58:43,660 --> 00:58:44,863 The church tenant. 1344 00:58:46,490 --> 00:58:48,540 I wouldn't have thought of it, 1345 00:58:48,590 --> 00:58:50,140 but it was a really interesting use 1346 00:58:50,190 --> 00:58:51,240 for the historic theaters. 1347 00:58:51,290 --> 00:58:53,680 And in some cases very good. 1348 00:58:53,730 --> 00:58:55,960 - But eventually the single-screen theaters had 1349 00:58:56,010 --> 00:58:58,960 to compete with what was going on in the suburbs. 1350 00:58:59,010 --> 00:59:01,480 - The new theaters that came along were multiplexes 1351 00:59:01,530 --> 00:59:04,060 built from the ground up and they were nice. 1352 00:59:04,110 --> 00:59:06,120 They offered all sorts of comfort and amenities 1353 00:59:06,170 --> 00:59:08,410 that some of these older theaters couldn't. 1354 00:59:08,460 --> 00:59:11,020 And what's more, they were in the right locations. 1355 00:59:11,070 --> 00:59:13,330 But the worst part was that instead of having 1356 00:59:13,380 --> 00:59:15,870 eight movies playing or 12 movies playing, 1357 00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,330 a single-screen theater would live or die from week 1358 00:59:18,380 --> 00:59:20,010 to week and a lot of them died. 1359 00:59:20,060 --> 00:59:21,970 - Because they weren't filling these theaters 1360 00:59:22,020 --> 00:59:24,350 with 3,500 seats any more. 1361 00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,730 They started to divide these theaters up. 1362 00:59:27,780 --> 00:59:29,330 - [Leonard] Cut the balconies in half, 1363 00:59:29,380 --> 00:59:30,500 made them two screens. 1364 00:59:30,550 --> 00:59:32,790 They cut the main theater sometimes into three 1365 00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,710 or four screens. 1366 00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,840 - It ended up making pretty horrible movie theaters 1367 00:59:36,890 --> 00:59:38,590 because the walls that would divide them 1368 00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,660 were four inches thick with not a lot of sound absorption. 1369 00:59:41,710 --> 00:59:43,820 So you ended up hearing the explosions in one versus 1370 00:59:43,870 --> 00:59:45,140 the explosions in the other. 1371 00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:46,580 Sight lines were terrible. 1372 00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:47,900 Seats weren't really moved. 1373 00:59:47,950 --> 00:59:49,410 It was a bad experience. 1374 00:59:49,460 --> 00:59:51,600 When the big movies started happening 1375 00:59:51,650 --> 00:59:54,450 in "Jaws" and "Star Wars" and all of those other 1376 00:59:54,500 --> 00:59:57,190 films started coming out, most people were already saying, 1377 00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,250 I'm gonna go off to the new multiplexes in the suburbs. 1378 01:00:00,300 --> 01:00:01,750 That's where the parking is. 1379 01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:03,270 That's where the air conditioning is. 1380 01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:04,700 That's where it's safe. 1381 01:00:04,750 --> 01:00:07,050 That's where I can go every hour on the hour. 1382 01:00:07,100 --> 01:00:08,580 And that's where the investment was falling 1383 01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:09,910 and that's where the banks were lending. 1384 01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:11,480 And it's where the people who were living who were 1385 01:00:11,530 --> 01:00:14,870 gonna buy the toys fueled the whole blockbuster industry. 1386 01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:19,270 From 1975 to 1995, they had this very underwhelming 1387 01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:23,480 kind of basic multiplex experience which was spare, 1388 01:00:23,530 --> 01:00:27,020 spartan and designed for efficiency and profit. 1389 01:00:27,070 --> 01:00:28,420 - So these independent theaters are starting 1390 01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:32,330 to lose traction and they started to divest themselves 1391 01:00:32,380 --> 01:00:34,180 of a lot of theaters and they sold them off 1392 01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:37,690 part and parcel. (somber music) 1393 01:02:44,750 --> 01:02:46,510 - I think the bigger cultural loss 1394 01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:50,330 is the common experience, the shared experience. 1395 01:02:50,380 --> 01:02:52,790 (soft piano music) 1396 01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:54,300 - [Matt] There'll be less and less movies 1397 01:02:54,350 --> 01:02:56,284 that actually go into theaters and more and more 1398 01:02:56,334 --> 01:02:59,680 will come out on whatever streaming platform 1399 01:02:59,730 --> 01:03:00,690 you wanna use. 1400 01:03:00,740 --> 01:03:02,180 - I mean I can sit in my living room. 1401 01:03:02,230 --> 01:03:05,550 15,000 different things I could stream 1402 01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,120 in addition to cable. 1403 01:03:07,170 --> 01:03:09,150 But at the core of all of that, 1404 01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:12,820 there's human interaction that you don't get. 1405 01:03:12,870 --> 01:03:14,900 - There's always things that you did when you were 1406 01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:17,510 a kid that you remember for your whole life 1407 01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,600 and you carry that good memory with you. 1408 01:03:19,650 --> 01:03:22,640 And I think with theaters, if the theater is still around, 1409 01:03:22,690 --> 01:03:24,900 you want people to experience that as well. 1410 01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:27,430 Whether it's a movie or going to a concert at one 1411 01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:32,230 of these places you know, fighting to keep them alive. 1412 01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:33,730 I think that's a great thing. 1413 01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:37,840 - Radio City Music Hall became the most famous 1414 01:03:37,890 --> 01:03:40,530 movie palace in the world and was successful all 1415 01:03:40,580 --> 01:03:43,520 the way through until all that happened. 1416 01:03:43,570 --> 01:03:47,860 In the mid-1970s, things started to change completely. 1417 01:03:47,910 --> 01:03:50,420 People that ran it said, we're losing money. 1418 01:03:50,470 --> 01:03:51,870 We can't get good movies, 1419 01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:55,270 so we're just gonna tear this down and build a glass box. 1420 01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:56,710 - And after all these years, 1421 01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,390 there was a sad announcement about that music hall today. 1422 01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:00,830 - I'm announcing the closing 1423 01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:05,620 of Radio City Music Hall at the end of the 1978 1424 01:04:05,670 --> 01:04:08,320 Easter show on April 12th. 1425 01:04:08,370 --> 01:04:09,770 - What else are you gonna do? 1426 01:04:09,820 --> 01:04:11,910 They said, we're gonna close it after the Easter show, 1427 01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:13,600 so you're all outta work. 1428 01:04:13,650 --> 01:04:18,350 My feeling was they can't tear this building down. 1429 01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:23,400 So I love this building, let's try to save it. 1430 01:04:25,300 --> 01:04:28,593 When I called the meeting, all the employees came. 1431 01:04:30,020 --> 01:04:33,160 I said, "We have nothing to lose. 1432 01:04:33,210 --> 01:04:35,510 We're all gonna be outta work on April 12th, 1433 01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,537 so let's do something." 1434 01:04:40,130 --> 01:04:44,160 And I started the crusade and serious battle 1435 01:04:44,210 --> 01:04:45,563 to save the theater. 1436 01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:51,080 For us, the passion was to move forward and do 1437 01:04:51,130 --> 01:04:53,550 something good and save the building. 1438 01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:54,950 You don't know where you're going 1439 01:04:55,000 --> 01:05:00,000 when you start something like that, and you just keep going. 1440 01:05:00,470 --> 01:05:03,700 We had fabulous people help us and it was made 1441 01:05:03,750 --> 01:05:05,790 a city landmark and then it was 1442 01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:07,530 on the National Historic Landmark list. 1443 01:05:07,580 --> 01:05:11,130 And it's saved forever, they can't do anything to it. 1444 01:05:11,180 --> 01:05:15,119 Though it doesn't run films any more which breaks 1445 01:05:15,169 --> 01:05:19,970 my heart, maybe one of these days it'll come back. 1446 01:05:20,020 --> 01:05:23,150 I think people would get a kick out of going back 1447 01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,043 in there and seeing it so big. 1448 01:05:26,710 --> 01:05:28,950 - I think it would be somewhat shocking for many of us 1449 01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:32,640 to go to a 5,000 seat theater to see a movie. 1450 01:05:32,690 --> 01:05:34,430 Very different experience. 1451 01:05:35,450 --> 01:05:38,400 - I worked at the Chicago for a long time, 1452 01:05:38,450 --> 01:05:40,620 testified before the city council. 1453 01:05:40,670 --> 01:05:43,770 The theater organ that's in there and got it landmark. 1454 01:05:43,820 --> 01:05:45,700 And when the theater was saved, 1455 01:05:45,750 --> 01:05:47,670 we knew that the organ was saved. 1456 01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:50,520 It was just wonderful to go back in there and see 1457 01:05:50,570 --> 01:05:52,590 all those people that walked in 1458 01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:56,310 and their eyes would open up. 1459 01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,010 - And it's also good to see things like 1460 01:05:58,060 --> 01:06:00,510 the Cinerama Dome surviving because it was goin' 1461 01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:01,578 to be torn down. 1462 01:06:01,628 --> 01:06:03,460 They were gonna keep the Dome, but they were gonna put 1463 01:06:03,510 --> 01:06:04,850 a Koo Koo Roo chicken or something 1464 01:06:04,900 --> 01:06:07,190 in there and the whole town fought against it. 1465 01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:08,840 Now the whole town may not have gone to a movie 1466 01:06:08,890 --> 01:06:11,450 there that often, but when they saw it was threatened, 1467 01:06:11,500 --> 01:06:14,210 they all got together, put you know, 1468 01:06:14,260 --> 01:06:16,860 practically protest marches and convinced 1469 01:06:16,910 --> 01:06:19,230 the theater company not to do anything 1470 01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,600 with the Cinerama Dome. 1471 01:06:21,650 --> 01:06:23,960 And boy, they're glad they didn't. 1472 01:06:24,010 --> 01:06:26,910 - Fortunately, a number of them survived intact 1473 01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,780 and number of them survived intact enough 1474 01:06:30,750 --> 01:06:33,840 that they can be brought back to their original glory 1475 01:06:33,890 --> 01:06:35,330 and some of them have been. 1476 01:06:35,380 --> 01:06:38,440 - The building was built in 1927 originally 1477 01:06:38,490 --> 01:06:40,950 as the Avalon Theater and it turned 1478 01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:46,000 into the New Regal Theater about 60 years later, 1987. 1479 01:06:46,370 --> 01:06:48,460 It was about a 12 million dollar restoration 1480 01:06:48,510 --> 01:06:51,150 that they had to do, which is why it's so beautiful. 1481 01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:54,860 The City of Chicago saved this property by landmarking it. 1482 01:06:54,910 --> 01:06:57,710 Chicago's of course the city known for its architecture, 1483 01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:00,080 so that designation I think has really protected 1484 01:07:00,130 --> 01:07:01,850 this building from demolition. 1485 01:07:01,900 --> 01:07:05,210 (soft piano music) 1486 01:07:05,260 --> 01:07:08,480 The FDIC had taken over a bank which had foreclosed 1487 01:07:08,530 --> 01:07:11,400 on the property and it was newly-listed. 1488 01:07:11,450 --> 01:07:13,890 At the time, my mother forwarded me an email saying 1489 01:07:13,940 --> 01:07:16,170 that the building was being offered and I jumped 1490 01:07:16,220 --> 01:07:17,003 right into it. 1491 01:07:17,053 --> 01:07:19,690 I mean I knew that the building being closed was really 1492 01:07:19,740 --> 01:07:21,273 a blow to the community. 1493 01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:23,700 I'm a private equity investor, 1494 01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:26,220 so I like to figure out how things work 1495 01:07:26,270 --> 01:07:28,010 and how I can make them better. 1496 01:07:28,060 --> 01:07:31,320 In particular with a focus on doing that for social good, 1497 01:07:31,370 --> 01:07:33,870 and I saw this as an opportunity to really 1498 01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:35,263 revive the neighborhood. 1499 01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:39,330 I think the Regal is the foundation of the south side 1500 01:07:39,380 --> 01:07:43,060 of Chicago and by extension, the city itself. 1501 01:07:43,110 --> 01:07:45,337 We had an opportunity to revitalize the building 1502 01:07:45,387 --> 01:07:47,990 and I think we can turn around what's happening 1503 01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:49,380 this side of town. 1504 01:07:49,430 --> 01:07:53,900 There are no cultural entertainment outlets you know, 1505 01:07:53,950 --> 01:07:56,240 basically in this community. 1506 01:07:56,290 --> 01:07:58,240 And since the building has been closed, 1507 01:07:58,290 --> 01:08:00,420 this was a huge economic engine for the area 1508 01:08:00,470 --> 01:08:03,583 and it really devastated the surrounding neighborhood. 1509 01:08:07,060 --> 01:08:09,130 We've got about six or seven million dollars 1510 01:08:09,180 --> 01:08:11,830 and upwards of 10 that we're going to need to put 1511 01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,240 into the building which fortunately is not as much 1512 01:08:14,290 --> 01:08:15,560 as it could be. 1513 01:08:15,610 --> 01:08:18,310 But that being said, it is quite a substantial amount. 1514 01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:21,310 Our hope is to reopen the building to the community 1515 01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:23,800 not just for entertainment purposes, 1516 01:08:23,850 --> 01:08:27,960 but also to culturally enrich the youth and to give 1517 01:08:28,010 --> 01:08:31,760 them a creative outlet outside of whatever 1518 01:08:31,810 --> 01:08:34,923 it is they might be doing now which isn't too positive. 1519 01:08:36,550 --> 01:08:38,510 - Restoration can mean many things. 1520 01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:41,100 For instance, the Loew's Kings in Brooklyn, 1521 01:08:41,150 --> 01:08:44,260 incredible restoration job in most senses. 1522 01:08:44,310 --> 01:08:48,000 But they did add elevators, they did add cup holders. 1523 01:08:48,050 --> 01:08:50,943 There are certain concessions that we just have to make. 1524 01:08:52,940 --> 01:08:56,440 - These places that you look around like we're in today, 1525 01:08:56,490 --> 01:08:58,850 they have a certain kind of architectural splendor 1526 01:08:58,900 --> 01:09:00,970 that's not easily created with drywall. 1527 01:09:01,020 --> 01:09:04,140 - I salute anybody and everybody who has a hand 1528 01:09:04,190 --> 01:09:08,110 in saving these great theaters and finding a way 1529 01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:09,840 to keep them alive. 1530 01:09:09,890 --> 01:09:10,900 It's not enough to save them, 1531 01:09:10,950 --> 01:09:12,710 you have to keep them going somehow. 1532 01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:15,293 We have to find a way to breathe life into them, 1533 01:09:16,460 --> 01:09:17,500 but it's worth the effort. 1534 01:09:17,550 --> 01:09:18,950 It's really worth the effort. 1535 01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,080 Because once you tear it down, you can't rebuild it. 1536 01:09:22,130 --> 01:09:23,603 Once it's gone, it's gone. 1537 01:09:25,090 --> 01:09:27,160 - Los Angeles Historic Theater Foundation, it was 1538 01:09:27,210 --> 01:09:30,420 founded in 1987 by a group of people who were upset 1539 01:09:30,470 --> 01:09:33,870 that within a span of just a few weeks or months, 1540 01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,680 there were three theaters on Broadway that were closed. 1541 01:09:36,730 --> 01:09:39,050 The theater business downtown was dwindling, 1542 01:09:39,100 --> 01:09:41,610 but these things were closed and turned into swap meets 1543 01:09:41,660 --> 01:09:42,620 and turned into retail. 1544 01:09:42,670 --> 01:09:44,500 And it happened so quickly that there was this sort 1545 01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:45,620 of desperate reaction. 1546 01:09:45,670 --> 01:09:47,540 We need to do something. 1547 01:09:47,590 --> 01:09:49,830 It is the largest movie palace district in the world. 1548 01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:53,213 (soft orchestral music) 1549 01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:00,680 With 18 standing theaters, 1550 01:10:00,730 --> 01:10:04,220 not all used as theaters but within a eight-block range. 1551 01:10:04,270 --> 01:10:06,660 It's really an amazing resource that most people 1552 01:10:06,710 --> 01:10:07,783 don't know about. 1553 01:10:10,060 --> 01:10:11,830 On the top of our watch list right now, 1554 01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,360 Hollywood Warner Theater which was more recently known 1555 01:10:14,410 --> 01:10:17,560 as the Hollywood Pacific 1-2-3 that the owners 1556 01:10:17,610 --> 01:10:19,340 originally came to the community and said, 1557 01:10:19,390 --> 01:10:22,040 we're gonna demolish it and keep the facade only. 1558 01:10:22,090 --> 01:10:25,990 A number of us said that wasn't acceptable and we are 1559 01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,110 now in negotiations with the owner to do 1560 01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:29,483 a feasibility study. 1561 01:10:31,030 --> 01:10:34,160 Fox Inglewood really really are interested in making 1562 01:10:34,210 --> 01:10:35,920 that a successful theater again. 1563 01:10:35,970 --> 01:10:37,993 It's been closed for quite a while. 1564 01:10:39,390 --> 01:10:41,910 There's a number of issues that need to be resolved 1565 01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:45,020 as far as the safety of the theater and how it could 1566 01:10:45,070 --> 01:10:46,700 be brought back and restored. 1567 01:10:46,750 --> 01:10:49,063 So we're really watching that one carefully. 1568 01:10:51,260 --> 01:10:53,380 The younger generation actually sees the value 1569 01:10:53,430 --> 01:10:54,930 and is seeking it out. 1570 01:10:54,980 --> 01:10:58,540 (soft waltz music) 1571 01:10:58,590 --> 01:11:00,890 We are screening more and more classics than anyone 1572 01:11:00,940 --> 01:11:02,460 could get on Netflix for free. 1573 01:11:02,510 --> 01:11:04,410 They can go and see it in a movie theater 1574 01:11:04,460 --> 01:11:06,313 with 1,000 total strangers. 1575 01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:08,810 And every time they open their theaters, 1576 01:11:08,860 --> 01:11:10,910 they're getting hundreds and hundreds and hundreds 1577 01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:12,760 of young people that wanna come out. 1578 01:11:13,900 --> 01:11:15,250 And people are coming back. 1579 01:11:15,300 --> 01:11:17,610 My kids' generation are frequenting these kinds 1580 01:11:17,660 --> 01:11:20,543 of shows because they want that experience. 1581 01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,370 When I started this 30 years ago, 1582 01:11:23,420 --> 01:11:25,130 preservation was a dirty word. 1583 01:11:25,180 --> 01:11:27,400 And if you called yourself a preservationist, 1584 01:11:27,450 --> 01:11:29,180 you were some radical crazy person. 1585 01:11:29,230 --> 01:11:32,320 - There's something about people who love 1586 01:11:32,370 --> 01:11:35,250 saving buildings, especially theaters. 1587 01:11:35,300 --> 01:11:37,290 - The Theater Historical Society goes back 1588 01:11:37,340 --> 01:11:40,390 to Ben Hall who was a cultural historian and wrote 1589 01:11:40,440 --> 01:11:43,080 the wonderful book about "The Best Remaining Seats." 1590 01:11:43,130 --> 01:11:46,340 Book came about in response to when he looked outta 1591 01:11:46,390 --> 01:11:47,220 the window in his office. 1592 01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:48,770 Straight down, he was looking at the roof 1593 01:11:48,820 --> 01:11:51,190 of the Roxy Theater while they were demolishing it. 1594 01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:54,823 (elegant orchestral music) 1595 01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,720 We've grown to have a significant archive, 1596 01:11:59,770 --> 01:12:02,270 a publication and an annual gathering. 1597 01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:05,100 Our goals are to document and to celebrate these theaters. 1598 01:12:05,150 --> 01:12:07,110 - I personally believe that landmark status 1599 01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:08,890 is a really great thing to have. 1600 01:12:08,940 --> 01:12:11,650 Not only does it offer up certain you know, 1601 01:12:11,700 --> 01:12:13,880 benefits and if you can get tax credits to help 1602 01:12:13,930 --> 01:12:16,200 offset the costs of restoration. 1603 01:12:16,250 --> 01:12:17,270 Those are wonderful things. 1604 01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:19,190 But it acknowledges you know, 1605 01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:20,980 if you have a plaque on the front of your building 1606 01:12:21,030 --> 01:12:23,470 that says, this is a landmark structure. 1607 01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:24,780 This place is important. 1608 01:12:24,830 --> 01:12:29,040 Even to the casual passerby, it adds a little more cachet, 1609 01:12:29,090 --> 01:12:30,440 a little more credibility. 1610 01:12:30,490 --> 01:12:32,590 - A lot of them in New York City have landmark status 1611 01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:34,240 for the exterior. 1612 01:12:34,290 --> 01:12:36,360 So that means that a group would come in, 1613 01:12:36,410 --> 01:12:38,190 do whatever they want to the inside as long 1614 01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:39,833 as the facade is preserved. 1615 01:12:41,700 --> 01:12:44,440 - Saving a facade and destroying the theater, 1616 01:12:44,490 --> 01:12:46,340 it breaks my heart. 1617 01:12:46,390 --> 01:12:48,970 Is it better to keep just the facade? 1618 01:12:49,020 --> 01:12:50,770 I suppose it is, 1619 01:12:50,820 --> 01:12:53,720 but it just makes me redouble my efforts to try 1620 01:12:53,770 --> 01:12:55,593 to save the theaters that we have. 1621 01:12:58,150 --> 01:13:00,800 A couple of examples of that, painful to me every time, 1622 01:13:00,850 --> 01:13:03,520 is the Westchester near LAX. 1623 01:13:03,570 --> 01:13:06,800 Big, beautiful towering deco structure. 1624 01:13:06,850 --> 01:13:08,970 They still have the box office and everything else 1625 01:13:09,020 --> 01:13:10,430 is a medical office inside. 1626 01:13:10,480 --> 01:13:11,773 There's nothing in there. 1627 01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:17,130 Another example is the Golden Gate in Whittier and it's now 1628 01:13:17,180 --> 01:13:19,683 just the theater building and it's a CVS Pharmacy. 1629 01:13:22,010 --> 01:13:24,635 Painful to go into when we see the rows of drugs 1630 01:13:24,685 --> 01:13:26,160 and fluorescent lights. 1631 01:13:26,210 --> 01:13:28,070 But if you look above the fluorescent lights, 1632 01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:29,967 you can still see the theater and the organ 1633 01:13:30,017 --> 01:13:31,684 and stuff like that. 1634 01:13:33,070 --> 01:13:35,230 I was in there once tryin' to take pictures 1635 01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:38,450 and I noticed this little six year old girl looking up 1636 01:13:38,500 --> 01:13:41,310 at the ceiling with me you know, while mom was shopping. 1637 01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:43,170 And you know, just sorta watched as she was 1638 01:13:43,220 --> 01:13:44,310 exploring this theater. 1639 01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:45,143 She was getting it. 1640 01:13:45,193 --> 01:13:46,893 She was seeing what was above. 1641 01:13:50,105 --> 01:13:51,217 And at one point she came over to me 1642 01:13:51,267 --> 01:13:53,970 and she said, "It's creepy." 1643 01:13:54,020 --> 01:13:55,100 And I said, "Yeah, it is." 1644 01:13:55,150 --> 01:13:56,050 She got it. 1645 01:13:56,100 --> 01:13:57,920 She got a feeling for what was 1646 01:13:57,970 --> 01:14:00,210 above the fluorescent theater. 1647 01:14:00,260 --> 01:14:01,043 So in that case, 1648 01:14:01,093 --> 01:14:03,990 maybe it is good to save 'em in whatever condition we can. 1649 01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:07,460 And maybe someday they can be brought back as theaters. 1650 01:14:07,510 --> 01:14:09,670 - The Art House Convergence is a resource 1651 01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:11,690 for community-based mission-driven cinemas. 1652 01:14:11,740 --> 01:14:15,580 I think people have really begun to value these theaters. 1653 01:14:15,630 --> 01:14:18,830 We've seen an increase in the number of independent 1654 01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,040 movie theaters over the last 10 years. 1655 01:14:21,090 --> 01:14:23,640 A lot of them lay dormant for a couple years usually 1656 01:14:23,690 --> 01:14:25,530 in the '70s, maybe the '80s. 1657 01:14:25,580 --> 01:14:28,620 And then there would be a group in town that would 1658 01:14:28,670 --> 01:14:30,560 rally around the theater. 1659 01:14:30,610 --> 01:14:32,990 There's a couple different types of movie theaters. 1660 01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,820 You have the Repertory House and that's like here. 1661 01:14:35,870 --> 01:14:37,730 We're in the New Bev in Los Angeles. 1662 01:14:37,780 --> 01:14:40,090 So that means that they're screening titles that are 1663 01:14:40,140 --> 01:14:41,510 not currently first-run. 1664 01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:44,130 But a lot of our theaters are showing foreign films, 1665 01:14:44,180 --> 01:14:46,493 documentaries, American indies. 1666 01:14:47,340 --> 01:14:49,990 Without a doubt, you have to have passion to run 1667 01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:51,650 an independent movie house. 1668 01:14:51,700 --> 01:14:56,100 Movies are an important cornerstone for a community 1669 01:14:56,150 --> 01:14:58,620 and that having a movie theater space which acts 1670 01:14:58,670 --> 01:15:00,020 as more than just a movie theater. 1671 01:15:00,070 --> 01:15:02,113 It's not just that you're seeing things on screen, 1672 01:15:02,163 --> 01:15:04,040 it's that you're doing Q&As after. 1673 01:15:04,090 --> 01:15:05,640 It's that you're having conversations 1674 01:15:05,690 --> 01:15:08,130 about the movies out in the lobby after. 1675 01:15:08,180 --> 01:15:10,713 It becomes a community gathering space. 1676 01:15:12,770 --> 01:15:14,450 - The best thing that happened to some 1677 01:15:14,500 --> 01:15:16,050 of these movie palaces is that they became 1678 01:15:16,100 --> 01:15:17,500 performing arts centers. 1679 01:15:17,550 --> 01:15:20,690 They added wings and dressing rooms backstage. 1680 01:15:20,740 --> 01:15:22,750 And sometimes they tried to deepen the apron 1681 01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,940 of the stage so that they could accommodate 1682 01:15:24,990 --> 01:15:26,390 touring Broadway shows, 1683 01:15:26,440 --> 01:15:29,303 let's say or concert orchestra or ballet. 1684 01:15:30,310 --> 01:15:33,050 - The key to keeping these large theaters alive 1685 01:15:33,100 --> 01:15:35,693 and thriving is a multiuse model. 1686 01:15:36,950 --> 01:15:38,510 If you can offer a wide variety, 1687 01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:41,160 whether it's concerts and revival movies 1688 01:15:41,210 --> 01:15:42,460 and special event movies. 1689 01:15:42,510 --> 01:15:44,540 If you can keep that variety going, 1690 01:15:44,590 --> 01:15:46,333 that's how you fill these seats. 1691 01:15:47,390 --> 01:15:50,973 (elegant orchestral music) 1692 01:15:53,350 --> 01:15:55,280 - The remainder of these movie palaces, 1693 01:15:55,330 --> 01:15:57,810 a lot of them have already been saved 1694 01:15:57,860 --> 01:15:59,240 or already been demolished. 1695 01:15:59,290 --> 01:16:00,810 There are very few huge buildings. 1696 01:16:00,860 --> 01:16:02,930 The Uptown Chicago being one of them where people 1697 01:16:02,980 --> 01:16:05,850 are still desperately hoping to save what are 1698 01:16:05,900 --> 01:16:08,863 absolutely irreplaceable architectural structures. 1699 01:16:09,770 --> 01:16:11,550 - You'll never see something like this again. 1700 01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:13,760 The detail that they put in here. 1701 01:16:13,810 --> 01:16:15,400 The things they thought of. 1702 01:16:15,450 --> 01:16:18,850 This was the nicest movie palace ever built 1703 01:16:18,900 --> 01:16:22,620 in the country and the architects even said that you know, 1704 01:16:22,670 --> 01:16:25,423 it's not for today, but for all time. 1705 01:16:29,830 --> 01:16:32,900 It was four million dollars to build in 1924. 1706 01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:36,210 It's the largest freestanding theater in the country. 1707 01:16:36,260 --> 01:16:37,710 It has more square feet 1708 01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:40,833 than Radio City, but Radio City has more seats. 1709 01:16:42,860 --> 01:16:45,240 In 2008 when we purchased the theater, 1710 01:16:45,290 --> 01:16:48,880 if you remember, the economy started to collapse. 1711 01:16:48,930 --> 01:16:52,430 So we bought it at the worst possible time. 1712 01:16:52,480 --> 01:16:54,880 I didn't know what we were gonna do to save the theater. 1713 01:16:54,930 --> 01:16:57,160 I just knew it needed to be saved. 1714 01:16:57,210 --> 01:17:00,543 (soft orchestral music) 1715 01:17:03,500 --> 01:17:06,230 This theater is in relatively good condition. 1716 01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:10,540 We need to put in all new mechanicals, all new plumbing, 1717 01:17:10,590 --> 01:17:11,680 all new electrical. 1718 01:17:11,730 --> 01:17:13,320 We need to add elevators. 1719 01:17:13,370 --> 01:17:16,910 We need to clean and restore the areas that need it. 1720 01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,190 Those are the things that we're working on 1721 01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:22,933 and we think it's a 60 to 65 million dollar restoration. 1722 01:17:30,070 --> 01:17:31,680 We're bringing it back to the way it was built 1723 01:17:31,730 --> 01:17:32,850 and that's what it should be. 1724 01:17:32,900 --> 01:17:35,520 There'll be some minor changes that need to take place. 1725 01:17:35,570 --> 01:17:36,610 For the most part, 1726 01:17:36,660 --> 01:17:38,660 I'd say it's all gonna be the way it was 1727 01:17:38,710 --> 01:17:40,370 because it was designed so well. 1728 01:17:40,420 --> 01:17:41,363 We can't beat it. 1729 01:17:43,310 --> 01:17:44,630 It's good that we have the original 1730 01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:46,610 architectural drawings because all we gotta do 1731 01:17:46,660 --> 01:17:48,823 is follow what Rapp and Rapp did. 1732 01:17:52,830 --> 01:17:54,810 One of the most important things about getting 1733 01:17:54,860 --> 01:17:58,310 the doors open here is this theater is the catalyst 1734 01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:00,270 for bringing Uptown back. 1735 01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:03,610 So once that's done, once the theater is open, 1736 01:18:03,660 --> 01:18:07,603 it will spur all kinds of investment in the neighborhood. 1737 01:18:08,860 --> 01:18:11,170 But we think that it's perfect for concerts 1738 01:18:11,220 --> 01:18:12,393 and private events. 1739 01:18:13,660 --> 01:18:14,670 This is going to be 1740 01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,200 Chicago's music/entertainment district 1741 01:18:17,250 --> 01:18:20,420 because of the other theaters that are here. 1742 01:18:20,470 --> 01:18:22,460 Right down the street, you got the Aragon Ballroom. 1743 01:18:22,510 --> 01:18:24,730 'Cross the street, you've got the Riviera Theater. 1744 01:18:24,780 --> 01:18:27,290 Couple doors down is the Green Mill and there are 1745 01:18:27,340 --> 01:18:30,000 other theaters and other properties in the area 1746 01:18:30,050 --> 01:18:33,683 that will go back and become theaters again. 1747 01:18:35,780 --> 01:18:39,070 - Movie palaces are completely connected to the community. 1748 01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:40,950 You have generations of the same family 1749 01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:42,460 who will have stories. 1750 01:18:42,510 --> 01:18:44,350 In the Rialto, this happens all the time. 1751 01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:45,577 I have people tell me, 1752 01:18:45,627 --> 01:18:47,680 "Oh, my grandmother went on her first date here." 1753 01:18:47,730 --> 01:18:50,930 Or, "My parents proposed after going to the Rialto." 1754 01:18:50,980 --> 01:18:53,340 So you have all of these memories that are tied 1755 01:18:53,390 --> 01:18:55,960 very closely to a Rialto experience 1756 01:18:56,010 --> 01:18:57,630 or to a theater experience. 1757 01:18:57,680 --> 01:18:59,440 The community needs the theater just as much 1758 01:18:59,490 --> 01:19:01,420 as a theater needs the community. 1759 01:19:01,470 --> 01:19:04,100 - Culturally, if we lose these places, 1760 01:19:04,150 --> 01:19:06,760 it takes away a sense of identity. 1761 01:19:06,810 --> 01:19:09,700 When you see a building like a classic movie theater, 1762 01:19:09,750 --> 01:19:12,260 it immediately puts you and gives you a sense 1763 01:19:12,310 --> 01:19:13,380 of time and place. 1764 01:19:13,430 --> 01:19:16,270 It positions you as part of history. 1765 01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:19,300 It lets you feel the connectivity between all 1766 01:19:19,350 --> 01:19:21,360 of the people that were there before you. 1767 01:19:21,410 --> 01:19:22,390 - If you think about it, 1768 01:19:22,440 --> 01:19:26,450 things that are coming and going: trends, passing fads, 1769 01:19:26,500 --> 01:19:27,340 that kinda thing. 1770 01:19:27,390 --> 01:19:29,190 The movies are always going to be 1771 01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:30,810 a destination for people. 1772 01:19:30,860 --> 01:19:33,720 People will always wanna see movies in the movie theater. 1773 01:19:33,770 --> 01:19:36,160 There may be other trendy things that pop up 1774 01:19:36,210 --> 01:19:39,530 that are keeping people from going for a period of time, 1775 01:19:39,580 --> 01:19:41,040 but they always come back to it. 1776 01:19:41,090 --> 01:19:42,840 Just like you always go back to a museum, 1777 01:19:42,890 --> 01:19:45,630 you always wanna go see the art in the place 1778 01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:47,233 where that art is best viewed. 1779 01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:49,970 - It's more than just caring 1780 01:19:50,020 --> 01:19:51,910 about it because there's been great personal 1781 01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:54,320 sacrifice that's come along with tryin' to keep 1782 01:19:54,370 --> 01:19:55,330 this theater up. 1783 01:19:55,380 --> 01:19:57,650 It's something that future generations should always 1784 01:19:57,700 --> 01:20:01,030 get to see fulfilling the statement of the architects. 1785 01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:03,093 Not for today, but for all time. 1786 01:20:05,060 --> 01:20:08,560 (gentle orchestral music) 1787 01:20:18,830 --> 01:20:21,873 - So one year when our daughter Jessie was about nine, 1788 01:20:23,020 --> 01:20:24,220 there was a Laurel and Hardy evening 1789 01:20:24,270 --> 01:20:25,557 at the Los Angeles Theater. 1790 01:20:25,607 --> 01:20:27,790 Now she had seen Laurel and Hardy before, 1791 01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:29,843 so she already liked them. 1792 01:20:30,730 --> 01:20:35,730 But she sat in the theater and heard over 2,000 people 1793 01:20:36,890 --> 01:20:41,133 rocking with laughter at these films that night. 1794 01:20:41,970 --> 01:20:43,220 I don't think she's ever forgotten it. 1795 01:20:43,270 --> 01:20:44,850 I know I've never forgotten. 1796 01:20:44,900 --> 01:20:46,480 I mean you can go to see a funny movie today. 1797 01:20:46,530 --> 01:20:47,690 You can go to see you know, 1798 01:20:47,740 --> 01:20:51,460 a new Melissa McCarthy movie or The Hangover or any 1799 01:20:51,510 --> 01:20:53,630 kinda modern movie and you can laugh. 1800 01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:56,740 But to be in a theater with over 2,000 people 1801 01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:01,970 laughing like that is a pretty amazing experience. 1802 01:21:03,350 --> 01:21:04,860 - I think the future of movie-going 1803 01:21:04,910 --> 01:21:06,840 is in independent cinemas. 1804 01:21:06,890 --> 01:21:08,910 That's where people are gonna be in 10 years 1805 01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:12,320 because those are the people that are you know, 1806 01:21:12,370 --> 01:21:13,410 rooted in their community. 1807 01:21:13,460 --> 01:21:16,780 They know the people's names who come through the door. 1808 01:21:16,830 --> 01:21:19,340 So if you're a theater, regardless if you're part 1809 01:21:19,390 --> 01:21:21,370 of a large chain or not, 1810 01:21:21,420 --> 01:21:24,193 make sure that you reflect your community. 1811 01:21:26,300 --> 01:21:28,479 - I got involved in the restoration 1812 01:21:28,529 --> 01:21:30,460 of Cinerama films besides the fact that nobody 1813 01:21:30,510 --> 01:21:33,330 else wanted to touch it was the fact that I had done 1814 01:21:33,380 --> 01:21:35,830 a documentary about the history of Cinerama and we had 1815 01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:39,470 to find out some clever ways to show examples. 1816 01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:41,210 And so when the documentary was over, 1817 01:21:41,260 --> 01:21:43,490 I'm ready to go on with the rest of my life, right? 1818 01:21:43,540 --> 01:21:46,760 And then the need came up for these films, 1819 01:21:46,810 --> 01:21:47,930 were rotting away in vaults 1820 01:21:47,980 --> 01:21:49,690 and nothing was happening with them. 1821 01:21:49,740 --> 01:21:52,670 So the company that owns the assets then put 1822 01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:55,070 a certain amount of money into a couple of tests 1823 01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:57,710 and experiments, took that on as sort of a you know, 1824 01:21:57,760 --> 01:21:59,250 crusade I guess. 1825 01:21:59,300 --> 01:22:01,750 And now to the point where we've literally 1826 01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:03,943 restored almost all the Cinerama movies. 1827 01:22:06,330 --> 01:22:07,670 - There's where you get into an interesting thing 1828 01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:09,260 about historic preservation. 1829 01:22:09,310 --> 01:22:10,993 Because a lot of people don't think well say it's built 1830 01:22:11,043 --> 01:22:13,770 in the '50s and '60s, it's not old, you know? 1831 01:22:13,820 --> 01:22:17,490 Or it's not a movie palace, so it's not really important. 1832 01:22:17,540 --> 01:22:19,060 Or you get a fight like 1833 01:22:19,110 --> 01:22:22,960 the Indian Hill Cinerama which got a landmark status 1834 01:22:23,010 --> 01:22:25,990 from the city, but the landmark status had no teeth 1835 01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:28,580 and so they tore it down anyway for a parking lot. 1836 01:22:28,630 --> 01:22:31,260 So you have the National and Westwood. 1837 01:22:31,310 --> 01:22:33,890 You got all these theaters that were built in the 1960s. 1838 01:22:33,940 --> 01:22:35,490 The Beekman in New York. 1839 01:22:35,540 --> 01:22:37,880 All of whom have been torn down with nothing 1840 01:22:37,930 --> 01:22:39,870 of the fanfare that the movie palaces get. 1841 01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:42,060 And so you need to understand all those theaters. 1842 01:22:42,110 --> 01:22:44,020 But if all the theaters are destroyed, 1843 01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:45,830 then how can you go back and look and see 1844 01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:48,890 what it looked like in the 1950s and 60s when people 1845 01:22:48,940 --> 01:22:51,780 left the cities and went into small towns and rural 1846 01:22:51,830 --> 01:22:53,017 areas and suburban areas and began to go 1847 01:22:53,067 --> 01:22:55,020 to the movie theaters and new places. 1848 01:22:55,070 --> 01:22:57,420 You can't because they're torn down. 1849 01:22:57,470 --> 01:23:00,380 So the preservation movement is one that needs 1850 01:23:00,430 --> 01:23:02,650 to be focused on movie palaces but also needs 1851 01:23:02,700 --> 01:23:06,560 to think about do we need to save a 1970s theater? 1852 01:23:06,610 --> 01:23:07,443 It's a question. 1853 01:23:09,420 --> 01:23:12,700 - I get contacts from people who are traveling here 1854 01:23:12,750 --> 01:23:15,940 from Europe and they wanna see our movie palaces 1855 01:23:15,990 --> 01:23:18,660 because it's just an alien, 1856 01:23:18,710 --> 01:23:21,360 it's a foreign thing to them to see wait, 1857 01:23:21,410 --> 01:23:24,950 this was a palace built just to watch a movie? 1858 01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:28,003 You know, I get such great reactions. 140707

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