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What a powerful night.
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When you talk about power, you talk
about powerful men
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and a powerful industry.
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They were the greatest tag team in the
history of this
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business.
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Nobody was tougher, nobody was stronger,
nobody was more intimidating.
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Our business is beating people up. In
WWE, they were the Legion of Doom.
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Prior to that, they were the Road
Warriors.
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Take on a warrior, we'll slap you right
down.
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In either case, they were ass -kicking
machines.
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They don't have any regard for
themselves, they have no regard for
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It was hardcore.
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Every night.
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You had Animal.
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Anybody, anywhere, anytime.
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And you had Hawk.
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You did me.
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It's almost like they were just tied
together.
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But behind the curtain, they were
completely opposite.
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The charms of James, like Daddy does in
the ring.
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He just was always there and just always
so loving.
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You know, I was Mr. Joe Straight and
Narrow and Hawk was Mr. Whew.
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Total excess, everything he did.
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Three times he was rushed into an ER for
drug overdoses. Could have died.
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At that point, I was really pissed at
him. Felt like I was being deserted by
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partner.
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It got to the point where he's like, I
can't babysit anymore.
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But they needed each other.
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The beauty of them was together, not
separate.
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They were brothers.
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He goes, Joe, I love you.
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I said, brother, I love you too, Mike.
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I didn't think I was going to get upset,
but it was a very, it was very
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emotional.
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I never got to say goodbye.
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The greatest team of our time, the
greatest team of all time.
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They were the best that there was.
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Well, this is where it all began.
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Six kids in the family, and Mike was
number five.
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Mike as a kid, mischievous, always in
trouble for something.
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A kid just running around and playing,
but a little harder and a little heavier
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than everyone else.
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He wasn't a troubled kid, you know,
growing up, but, I mean, he was.
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For whatever reason, he liked to fight.
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That was, you know, I mean, that was
Mike's sport, you know, was kind of
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fighting. He had a very short temper. I
mean, if he felt you crossed him, he was
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probably going to knock you out.
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There was that fighting time in his life
in high school and everything, and it
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seemed like he was trying to prove
something to himself or whatever.
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Psychologists would have fun with it, I
think.
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And he used...
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Alcohol and pot and things like that. I
mean, it was peace, love, dope time in
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the world. But he was just really a good
guy.
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If you were his friend, he would do
anything for you.
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And that's one thing that he valued and
that he kept through his whole
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career was his friends.
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Check. One, two, three, four.
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Hawk and I grew up in Minneapolis.
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We went to two different high schools
because we lived in two different parts
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the city.
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Here we are, a little bit of nostalgia.
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This is Hawk's all neighborhood here.
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My dad and Hawk lived fairly close.
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Like, I think they could have ran into
each other at, like, any moment in time.
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It was just they hadn't yet.
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My dad, of course, in his high school
years, played football.
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Joe was highlighted in the Minneapolis
Star Tribune as an all -conference
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football player out of Irondale High
School.
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At the time, I was at Golden Valley
Lutheran College playing football.
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I was part of the recruiting team.
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I told him who I was, invited him over
for a night to tour the campus and see
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if he would entertain the idea of coming
and playing football with us.
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And he made a decision to come.
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I met Joe Laranitis here in 1978 in the
fall when school started.
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And after that, it was love at first
sight.
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He was a very good football player, but
that didn't quite work out.
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Life went a different direction for him.
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That's when he found out Nancy got
pregnant.
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So he was going to do the noble thing
and drop out of college and marry Nancy.
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That was just the right thing to do.
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I found out that we were going to have a
boy, and then we had Joey in February
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of 1981.
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It was like just a light switch. He just
stopped doing whatever he was doing and
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just became a dad, as simple as that.
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I know that he and Joey's mom tried to
be together and stay together and
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everything, and I understand that that
didn't work out, but they were able to
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parents at such a young age, and I think
they did a pretty good job.
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We ended up getting divorced in 1982.
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Now I think back, and I'm like, yeah, we
were young.
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Now you're a brand -new father.
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You're 20 years old.
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What was going to be his future?
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Growing up, my dad was, he was more of
the fatherly figure that was a provider.
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My mom was probably a little bit more
the one that gave the love, I guess.
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Our mom died young, 57.
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She was a sweetheart.
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Yep, yep.
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Yeah, she had a real heart.
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And Mike was, you know, like, just out
of high school.
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I didn't know how much it affected him,
but some of his friends told me that it
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really had a hard time.
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That was his time of transition. What am
I going to do in life, you know? And
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his direction was a little lost.
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He also didn't like school. He didn't
care for school.
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And that's where he started in his whole
workout regimen.
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In Minneapolis.
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There was a gym that became known as the
Mecca of the Midwest called simply The
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Gym. All right, here we are. We're at
The Gym.
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13 ,500 square feet of the toughest
powerlifters, bodybuilders,
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anything you want in the state of
Minnesota is right here.
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One day, I go to The Gym.
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Mike happens to be there.
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And I'm doing incline. I'm doing like
315 or 350 with my dad on the incline.
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He looks at me and he goes, you're not
right.
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He goes, the young kid should not be
doing that. He just opened hands and
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whack!
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You know, and from there, you know, we
became real good friends.
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You know, once they kind of met
officially, then it just kind of became
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they were just meant to be.
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They met at the gym, but at the same
time, they were bouncing at the bars.
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I can't remember, was it Grandma Bee's
or whatever he used to talk about all
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time? Well, here we are at the infamous
Grandma B's.
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They loved it because they got to get
paid to beat people up. That's what we
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were known for. We were like old dogs
backed up in a corner. We were vicious.
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Also for my dad, I think he was honestly
willing to do whatever he needed to do
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to, you know, pay for diapers, pay for
whatever, you know, whatever the little
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baby Joey needed.
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Here we are at the Baltimore Civic
Center, Baltimore, Maryland, talking to
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wrestling fans coming to see Georgia
Championship Wrestling.
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Meanwhile, Ole Anderson, a legendary
wrestler and promoter in Georgia
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Championship Wrestling, sees a movie,
Mad Max, The Road Warrior.
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It puts a light bulb over his head and
gives him the idea for a tag team.
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A guy named Eddie Sharkey is a trainer
who's also working as a bartender at
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Grandma B's.
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And he knows Ole Anderson, the promoter.
And Anderson one day calls Eddie
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Sharkey and says, I'm looking for a
couple of guys.
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Ole comes to Minneapolis, meets with
Eddie Sharkey at Grandma B's, and says,
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hey, who you got?
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You know, I need some talent.
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Who do you have?
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Oh, he sees Joe and Mike, and he thinks,
there they are. Like, that's it.
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And from then on there, you know, we
went into the wrestling camp that Eddie
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Sharkey had. We went there three months
straight, five days a week, and we
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really beat the heck out of each other.
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So now they get called down south to
Georgia Championship Wrestling as the
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Warriors. We're too guy.
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that just happened to be tough guys, to
go directly from bouncing to maybe a
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smidge of training, and then to Georgia
Championship Wrestling, which was one of
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the top professional wrestling
territories in the country at that
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totally unheard of.
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They literally just took this chance and
didn't even know what was going to come
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of it.
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Mike, at that point in his life, was
still wandering.
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You know, Joe from the get -go was this
family guy.
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So much harder for Joe than it would
have been for Mike because Mike had
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to lose.
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But for my dad, you know, you're
potentially leaving a job, leaving a
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like, what are you doing?
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It was kind of a weird spot for him
where it just felt like it was like, now
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what?
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The Road Warriors.
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Here they are at Georgia Championship
Wrestling.
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First things first, they needed a
manager.
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I want to take a moment, if I may, to
talk to Precious Paul Ellering. Here's a
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gentleman who has made... Oh, yes,
rumors about... Oli pulled me aside with
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and said, these are going to be your
boys.
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First, we molded the look.
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It just started with face paint first.
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Then Hawk said one day, Joe, you know,
you should get a mohawk, and then I'll
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get the double mohawk, and then our
heads will be one.
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Two make one.
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Then we said, come up with names, and
Uli points to Animal, and he says, you
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look like an animal.
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Hawk said, I think I'm a hawk.
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Which one's which?
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This is Hawk, this is Animal.
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They were natural heels.
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Bad guys.
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They had the face paint. They had the
hair.
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They had the names.
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The only thing they needed was the song.
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Their music for the ring entrance, that
song would set the tone.
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The Road Warriors getting set to move
into the ring.
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A big, impressive pair of individuals.
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You felt like two monsters from hell
were coming out of the back of that
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dangling dressing room and going to
wreak havoc.
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When they first came in, you see them,
it's just, wow.
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Look out.
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These two guys were the coolest things
that I'd ever seen.
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Just badass.
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Brother, you talk about vicious, bizarre
individuals.
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They were taking people's heads off.
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It wasn't old school wrestling. Grab a
hold, work the hold.
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I mean, what happened to professional
wrestling? These guys are just rough and
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tough. Animal and Hawk completely turned
the tables over. Now it was slam, bam,
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in your face, man.
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Y 'all better get used to this, because
it's coming down, baby. They were
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themselves.
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That's who they were.
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We did it all our life. We've always got
our way. I was slapping people since I
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was yea high to a grasshopper. They
forgot.
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This is not real. This is make -believe.
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Ooh, brother. I have never seen anybody
as completely vicious and as
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overwhelming as a road boy.
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They just rolled with it. Once the ball
got rolling, it just picked up speed.
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You're looking at one of the most
dynamic, trend -setting courses in the
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of wrestling today.
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Where it's going to take us, I cannot
tell you.
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The Road Warriors were so successful
early on that...
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They were able to work successfully in
Georgia Championship Wrestling, in Jim
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Crockett Promotions, National Wrestling
Alliance, and AWA. They were able to do
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it all, and it just meant more exposure
for the Road Warriors.
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At that time, cable TV, that changed
everything.
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Coming up next, the Road Warriors, right
here on ESPN.
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And cable TV, when it started to spread
across the United States, everybody
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could see wrestling.
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I'm here in Dallas at the Reunion
Center. We've got the greatest talent in
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world. I've got the Road Warriors, you
name it, and they're here tonight.
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So it made regular stars superstars.
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Would you come here to see the Road
Warriors?
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I watch these guys get big fast.
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I want to see the Road Warriors!
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I was like, oh, my God. You know, these
guys are monsters now.
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And that's when I heard the roar.
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The reaction from the fans, it was
something
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else every night.
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They were bad apples, bad guys.
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But fans loved it.
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It was huge.
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They had the look that gets the look.
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They had the it fat.
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And they just fed off of each other.
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There's got to be a rumble tonight.
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Because we're the warriors.
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That's right.
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They had chemistry.
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Ying and yang.
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Tell them, brother. Hey!
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Hawk and I had a unique telepathy, man.
We were two guys they found in the
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wrestling business and put together.
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We were two guys that were friends. We
bounced.
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We worked out together.
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We'd known each other for years. So I
think that gave us a little bit of an
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edge. Notice how Hawk and the Animal tag
in and tag out. Watch this.
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Oh!
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It's almost like, I don't know, they
were just tied together.
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Animal, Hawk, as a team, they were
great. These men are the most
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team I've seen in my career.
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But behind the curtain, they were
completely opposite.
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Joey lived with his mother, but Joe
would see him all the time.
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He missed him when he was on the road.
It was hard. It really was hard for him.
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He was a very good father and always
wanted to
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be with him and see him. And as much as
he traveled, he saw Joey as much as
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possible. You see life different when
you're a parent.
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And Hawk didn't have children, so, you
know, that was a difference.
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I think Joe was more subdued.
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Hawk was more of a fiery type of guy,
you know.
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He would go out at night.
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At first it was just drinking.
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And Hawk always had a good time.
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But Animal was the one that the
promotion always knew could reel him
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make sure that they made their shows and
did the things that they were going to
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do. They were two drastically different
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wired people.
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Hawk really was able to jump right on
that lightning bolt in the life of the
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fast lane and turn it up about three
more notches.
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While in the short term, if one member
of a tag team wants to have a certain
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lifestyle and the other wants to live a
completely opposite lifestyle,
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That can be fine, but it's really not
sustainable.
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Eventually, something could give.
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Russia and the United States have always
been at it for years and years, and the
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Cold War continued in 1985.
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Now, for the business.
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Immensum. Perfect time for the Russians
to come.
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Introducing first, from the Soviet
Union, Ivan Koloff and
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Krusher Grushin.
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The Great American Bash in 1985 was a
huge deal.
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You had 27 ,000 Americans, all with one
thing in common.
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They hated Russia.
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The Russians, in our culture, they were
the bad guys.
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And then when you have the road
warriors, this
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hard American, take no prisoners, and
you Russians, you want to try something,
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we're just going to knock the L .A.
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People wanted...
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The Russians, to really get beat up,
they want the road warriors to beat them
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up. The road warriors are our bad guys.
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Both teams have been disqualified. A
double disqualification.
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Even though the match ended in a draw,
the road warriors went from being bad
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guys to now being good guys.
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That entire interaction with the
Russians ends up making the road
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more beloved.
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So now
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they're more popular in a much better
position when it comes to dealing with
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guy who decides how much money they'll
make, the man with the checkbook, Jim
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Crockett. Let's bring in Mr. Jim
Crockett, president of Jim Crockett
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Animal and Hawk wanted guaranteed
contracts.
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So we talked to Jimmy, and he was going
to come up with a deal.
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And so before we did the deal, we got
ahold of Vince. I got ahold of Vince.
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You know they're going to meet with
Vince.
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Why not? I mean, you know, they're going
to go back and forth to see what they
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can get.
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Well, you have to remember, the mid-'80s
were gigantic for WWE.
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The involvement with celebrities like
Cyndi Lauper and Mr. T and the eventual
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formation of this event called
WrestleMania completely transformed WWE
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wrestling business as we knew it. And
this, of course, plays right into the
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Warriors' hands.
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They can now threaten Crockett with the
idea that they could defect to WWE if
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they want to.
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We're going to be the ones walking out.
You're the ones that are going to be
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laying. And Vince, he said, I'd really
like to have you, but I just can't give
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out guarantees.
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Nobody here has one. So we said, okay.
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And then right before he leaves, he
says, you know, I know you're
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with Crockett.
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If you want to use me, you can in the
negotiations.
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And we went back, and Jimmy came up with
a very nice deal for us.
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And it was guaranteed.
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Mr. Crockett, you've been a very busy
man with some very successful
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negotiations. I'm a very happy man right
now, Jim.
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Animal and Hawk both got $500 ,000 per
year for three
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years. And that was money in the bank.
You know, nobody was getting that kind
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money back then.
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Guaranteed.
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How would you handle the success and the
success they had?
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There are ways of handling and coping
with that success and your choice of how
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you move forward with this.
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You know, they just, a different way of
going about doing things.
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We actually lived two different
lifestyles.
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You know, I was Mr. Joe Straight and
Narrow, and Hawk was Mr. Whew.
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Hawk, you know, he enjoyed the
nightlife.
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He started to become full speed, man. He
was searching for good timing most
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of the time he followed it.
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He made no secret about his reputation
outside the ring in terms of, you know,
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the party life.
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I went to the ring and things were kind
of hazy. Everything seemed a little bit
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slowed down.
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But I never saw it impede his
performance in the ring.
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during that point.
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So no one knew
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at the time that it was going to take on
a life of its own and become this
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growing issue.
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Hawk was drinking a lot.
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And then, you know, it progressed.
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We started obviously doing a lot of
substances and stuff.
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You know, at the time, you don't look at
it the way we reflect on it now.
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There wasn't any real discussion of,
hey, you think you should cut back or
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whatever. Hawk was going to be Hawk, and
that's how he rolled and the guys he
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rolled with.
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So we didn't.
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really see the dangers and where it was
headed.
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Joe and I met at the gym.
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A friend of mine from high school, we
decided we wanted to lift weights, and
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were at a club that the women lifted on
one side and the men worked out on the
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other side, and we would always go to
the men's side, and they didn't like
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But Joe kind of fought the fight for it,
so that was the beginning there.
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Very soon after he met her, I could tell
he was smitten, as they say.
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They were very happy together.
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That would eventually lead to marriage.
That would eventually lead to James and
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Jessica, the two children they would
have together.
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And even when he married Julie,
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he never really lost touch with Joey.
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He still had a responsibility to raise
him while starting a new family and
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eventually raising James and Jessica.
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He made sure that we knew that we were
loved. Like, family was number
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one out of anything that he was doing.
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I think
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the most important thing was just,
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So when he came home, it was all about
family, and Hawk did his own thing.
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Oh, Mike is Mike. He's just crazy.
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But a very caring, extremely caring,
loving person.
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He had an amazing heart.
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Hawk was the best.
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To know Hawk is to love Hawk.
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One day, we were in midtown New York,
and there was a guy.
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In an alley in Hawk, he stops and he
gives a guy $100.
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That's the way Hawk was.
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He would give you the shirt off his
back.
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I was in the NWA and I was making like
$500, $600 a week. And I got a tax bill.
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And it was like $500 for that old back
tax.
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And Hawk seen me sitting over there. He
said, what's the matter? And I said,
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well, it's Scott.
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Stuff I got to take care of. I told him
what was going on, and he said, man,
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don't worry about it. Gave me 500 bucks
for someone at the time whose character
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was larger and bigger than life.
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The guy, he had a heart.
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He was a great guy, super nice guy.
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But Hawk would go out two, three days at
a time and not sleep and party nonstop
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with some stimulants and things, yeah.
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Three times he was rushed into an ER for
drug overdoses. Three times.
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O .D. could have died.
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Drug overdoses.
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A head -on collision with an 18
-wheeler, driving an old pickup truck
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seatbelt, and rolled the truck six times
and walked away without a scratch.
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One time, him and a buddy, northern
Minnesota, November, cold, snow, icy
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lake, falls out of the boat, drunk as a
skunk.
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He's sinking, sinking, sinking.
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Mike said he's looking up, and it's
pitch dark, and he sees like a pin
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And he's like, I don't know what that
is, but whatever it is, if I don't make
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to that pin light, I'm done. Like, I'm
dead.
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I'm done.
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And he gives a last -ditch effort. Well,
what it was was his buddy found a
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flashlight in the boat and was shining
the flashlight.
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In the water.
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And that's what saved Mike, was the
flashlight.
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In his effort to get to that pin light,
his buddy grabbed him and pulled him in
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the boat.
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And that saved him that night, that
flashlight.
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At the time, Joe kind of started to
get...
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You know, frustrated with Mike.
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It got to be a heavy load sometimes.
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I wanted to live up to the respect that
our name had in the business.
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But Joe definitely had a loyalty to
Mike, a loyalty to the business, and a
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loyalty to the Road Warriors.
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No matter.
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How much Mike started to go off the
rail, Joe was able to reel him back in
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keep him focused and on track to what,
you know, what the ultimate goal for the
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two of them was.
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A brother can talk to another brother. I
mean, come on, we got this opportunity.
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Let's, you know, get it and let's get it
going.
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I think Hawk accepted when there were
some things said. You know, he knew what
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the deal was and he got in line. But I
think they...
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They understood each other.
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Hawk was there for the match.
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Had to have a couple cups of coffee and
go.
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This event is for the world's tag team
championship.
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My God, look at this.
427
00:29:32,100 --> 00:29:35,860
Their career continued to really just
blossom.
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They were still hot, real hot.
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00:29:47,180 --> 00:29:48,230
Hey,
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Road Warriors, now you guys are invited
to my party Saturday too, you know. We
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don't mingle, we mangle.
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00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:59,060
They were able to take this meteor rise
to the top and stay on top.
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The number one team in wrestling, of
course, the incomparable Road Warriors.
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The early Road Warrior days, you know,
first they didn't have the shoulder
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00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,830
but then they really dialed it in,
right? They got those shoulder pads.
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Spikes on him.
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It was amazing.
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I loved it. It was hardcore, Dad.
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00:30:19,270 --> 00:30:25,150
And then I think Mike's wit came out on
the interviews.
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We live life on the edge.
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What a rush.
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00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:31,330
Oh, what a rush.
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Hawk came up with it. It was in a movie.
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It was great. Fans loved it.
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By this point, the Road Warriors are
just that tag team. They're clicking on
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cylinders, hot as can be.
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Road Warriors!
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They're number one! They're the champs!
The Warriors!
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You know, they had conquered the AWA.
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You know, there was the NWA and then WCW
and the WWE.
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I think it's something that they always
wanted.
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There's only one.
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to measure your success and tag team
wrestling and that to go up against the
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best so you know how you rate.
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At that particular time, we needed to
take the next step and go to the Big
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Daddy, which everybody was calling the
WWE, the Big Daddy, and make our
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there.
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The guys wanted to leave for WWE because
pride has to drive you and you're proud
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that you are the best.
460
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,300
You're proud that nobody else can do
what you do.
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And I said, you guys go, but I'm going
to finish out my contract.
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Because I've always been a man of my
word.
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So it was time to go separate ways.
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It was tough.
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Because I'm the dad.
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And they're my boys.
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And that's what started the ball rolling
to move on.
468
00:32:18,420 --> 00:32:22,840
I love Vince McMahon. Welcome to the
superstars of wrestling.
469
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:29,959
Vince McMahon wanted to get the Road
Warriors up to the WWE, but they had
470
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:35,799
such a good deal and the money they were
making that the WWE couldn't match
471
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,040
because Vince did not guarantee money.
472
00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:45,679
but the Road Warriors had already hit
the ceiling at WCW, so they decided at
473
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:51,039
that point to make the move to WWE so
that they could be more than what they
474
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:57,319
were. They call themselves the Legion of
475
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:04,079
Doom! The Road Warriors was a name that
was associated with the movie, so
476
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,130
it was...
477
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:11,599
difficult to clear legally, and since
WWE being a global company, you want to
478
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:17,839
have a name that you can clear, and
Legion of Doom was something that we
479
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:18,890
get cleared.
480
00:33:21,151 --> 00:33:22,959
When
481
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:29,839
they did
482
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,620
arrive, they...
483
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,119
took the place by storm they
484
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:45,059
just
485
00:33:45,060 --> 00:33:50,579
went out there and just ran through
people they beat the hell out of
486
00:33:50,580 --> 00:33:54,539
they got in the ring with the only
reason they beat the hell out of
487
00:33:54,540 --> 00:33:56,920
was they didn't know what else to do
488
00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:11,859
Both, Joe and Mike, they were intense as
hell. But when you get them out of the
489
00:34:11,860 --> 00:34:16,420
ring, they were also wonderful people.
490
00:34:17,340 --> 00:34:18,600
How's the food here, Joe?
491
00:34:19,540 --> 00:34:21,340
Any limitations?
492
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:26,360
Mike enjoyed being around fans.
493
00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:43,880
He had a heart of gold.
494
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:47,760
That's just the kind of guy he was. He
had a heart that was bigger than
495
00:34:56,191 --> 00:35:02,959
He could light up a room when he came in
there, I don't know, for whatever
496
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,010
reason.
497
00:35:04,940 --> 00:35:11,659
Great guy, but Mike had demons that
would prevent him from making good
498
00:35:11,660 --> 00:35:12,710
choices.
499
00:35:17,420 --> 00:35:22,879
It just got to the point where in the
90s, it was total excess, everything he
500
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:23,930
did, you know.
501
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:29,899
If we'd go out drinking, it would just,
he would drink to the point where, you
502
00:35:29,900 --> 00:35:31,280
know, he would just not stop.
503
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,940
It was tough to watch sometimes.
504
00:35:36,620 --> 00:35:38,560
Luke the Bushwalker had a beach house.
505
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,840
The pool was behind the townhouses.
506
00:35:44,841 --> 00:35:49,019
and people would put lawn chairs on this
side of the pool, and the beach was out
507
00:35:49,020 --> 00:35:53,619
there. So they had their bags to the
pool, and they were hooking out on the
508
00:35:53,620 --> 00:35:59,239
beach. And so when my wife and I pulled
up, I see Hawk crawling towards the deep
509
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:00,290
end of the pool.
510
00:36:00,291 --> 00:36:03,179
I think he's just screwing around, you
know, having fun.
511
00:36:03,180 --> 00:36:06,379
I saw him, like, go in the deep end of
the pool and slither and slide down the
512
00:36:06,380 --> 00:36:07,430
pool like a snake.
513
00:36:07,431 --> 00:36:11,919
I was getting my bags out of the car,
and as I walked by, he's on the bottom
514
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:12,970
the pool.
515
00:36:13,970 --> 00:36:16,380
there, like, sleeping on the bottom of
the pool.
516
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:20,220
So my wife said, oh, my God, is he
playing around? She goes, no, go get
517
00:36:20,650 --> 00:36:25,409
So I went, I got him and pulled him out
of the pool, and I guess he'd eaten a
518
00:36:25,410 --> 00:36:28,240
bunch of things that were putting him to
sleep, you know.
519
00:36:28,890 --> 00:36:33,349
And that was a real close call that
time. But I got him out of the pool, and
520
00:36:33,350 --> 00:36:38,009
they resuscitated him and got him going.
And that was the beginning of I knew we
521
00:36:38,010 --> 00:36:39,490
had a problem on our hands.
522
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:49,139
Even though Mike had his vices and his
challenges, still at that point, Joe was
523
00:36:49,140 --> 00:36:50,700
incredibly loyal to Mike.
524
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,699
Joe developed a real love in his heart
for Mike. You know, he certainly wasn't
525
00:36:55,700 --> 00:37:02,699
happy with his choices, but that love
for Mike and not giving up on him or
526
00:37:02,700 --> 00:37:05,069
throwing in the towel and saying, you
know what, dude.
527
00:37:05,070 --> 00:37:09,250
I'm tired of your antics. I'm tired of
your life. I'm done.
528
00:37:10,010 --> 00:37:13,550
I'm out of here. You go your way. I'll
go my way. But that wasn't Joe.
529
00:37:15,110 --> 00:37:21,989
It was the bond that's built and forged
in those early
530
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:28,369
years when they didn't have all the
money and building their relationship
531
00:37:28,370 --> 00:37:29,420
together.
532
00:37:30,170 --> 00:37:32,510
Joe wasn't willing to throw in the
towel.
533
00:37:32,970 --> 00:37:34,020
Saw.
534
00:37:34,890 --> 00:37:40,590
An opportunity of hope that Mike could
make a lifestyle change.
535
00:37:42,190 --> 00:37:47,090
And it was thought with Hawk hitting a
couple speed bumps, he'd straighten out.
536
00:37:49,250 --> 00:37:52,410
But he really didn't. It kind of kept
getting worse.
537
00:37:55,970 --> 00:38:02,689
At the time, Mike failed the test, and
the test was for illegal
538
00:38:02,690 --> 00:38:03,740
drugs.
539
00:38:05,290 --> 00:38:06,340
He needs help.
540
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:12,809
We need to get him out of here, and
we'll do whatever it takes to help him
541
00:38:12,810 --> 00:38:14,010
get him on the road back.
542
00:38:15,570 --> 00:38:20,350
We tried rehab, but he just didn't do
it.
543
00:38:21,890 --> 00:38:26,790
After Hawk failed a drug test, the WWE
had to suspend him.
544
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:32,469
They tried to send him to rehab, but
Hawk would not go. He had become a full
545
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:33,550
-blown addict.
546
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,480
and the only one who didn't realize it
was Hawk.
547
00:38:39,340 --> 00:38:42,170
Okay, does everybody understand why
we're here today?
548
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,130
That's right, we're here to talk about
drugs.
549
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,760
Drugs are going to get you nowhere.
550
00:38:49,380 --> 00:38:51,140
All drugs do is ruin you.
551
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,480
They make life real hard.
552
00:38:55,060 --> 00:38:58,720
And instead of going forward, you end up
going backwards.
553
00:39:02,090 --> 00:39:05,310
We did an intervention at one point in
time.
554
00:39:05,730 --> 00:39:11,749
We sat down with him and just told him
how much we love him and are concerned
555
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:13,390
for him and his health.
556
00:39:13,730 --> 00:39:19,929
We were hoping that he would listen and
get some help, that this was not
557
00:39:19,930 --> 00:39:26,489
something he could do on his own and get
some help, and he
558
00:39:26,490 --> 00:39:29,330
didn't.
559
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,620
He was not ready.
560
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:40,319
I think that with Hawk, the way they
used to do interventions was not going
561
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,539
work from the beginning because he's
stubborn, and I think when they said you
562
00:39:43,540 --> 00:39:48,579
can't or you need to or you should, he
went, oh, yeah, I'll show you, because
563
00:39:48,580 --> 00:39:52,220
that was how he was. And so I think he
would run the other direction.
564
00:39:55,660 --> 00:39:59,460
Hawk, at that particular time, he was
making money. One of the top...
565
00:39:59,710 --> 00:40:01,950
Tag teams, if not the top in the world.
566
00:40:02,510 --> 00:40:06,910
Everything you want, you've got, that
you've worked for your whole life.
567
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:11,489
So who knows what's really going on with
somebody's mind or what's happening
568
00:40:11,490 --> 00:40:12,540
inside of you.
569
00:40:12,970 --> 00:40:16,030
I don't know why it turned out the way I
did.
570
00:40:17,070 --> 00:40:24,069
His personality was just, and I think
that is a trait probably in the Higgs
571
00:40:24,070 --> 00:40:27,050
family, there's a bit of it, of
addictions.
572
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:34,560
And then you had money and you had fame
and you had an image to be the wild guy.
573
00:40:38,540 --> 00:40:45,219
And, you know, a lot of us will have the
thing, the little voice that goes off
574
00:40:45,220 --> 00:40:51,979
that says stop. And Mike didn't. And a
lot of that was
575
00:40:51,980 --> 00:40:54,340
fueled by being Hawk.
576
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:06,379
He probably had been fine if he'd stayed
in North Minneapolis and had been more
577
00:41:06,380 --> 00:41:13,100
grounded. But I think Road Warrior Hawk
kind of took over.
578
00:41:13,740 --> 00:41:15,980
And he locked himself in there
somewhere.
579
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:27,960
You know, there were times when he would
come home and he was high and you just,
580
00:41:28,020 --> 00:41:30,640
you didn't really want to be around him.
581
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:40,919
So it was a sad time because you just
knew this wasn't going in a good
582
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:41,970
direction.
583
00:41:56,170 --> 00:41:59,910
At the time, Legion of Doom, they were
popular.
584
00:42:00,190 --> 00:42:01,670
They were very popular.
585
00:42:02,050 --> 00:42:06,429
Legion of Doom with the opportunity of a
lifetime tonight as they meet the nasty
586
00:42:06,430 --> 00:42:09,320
boys for the World Wrestling Federation
tag team titles.
587
00:42:09,570 --> 00:42:10,770
They were attractions.
588
00:42:11,550 --> 00:42:13,230
They drew money.
589
00:42:13,790 --> 00:42:20,769
And they delivered when they got into
the
590
00:42:20,770 --> 00:42:21,820
ring.
591
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:09,299
That SummerSlam of 1991 really was the
pinnacle of everything that those two
592
00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:10,350
accomplished.
593
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,900
That was the peak.
594
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,620
What a moment for Legion of Doom!
595
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,980
Legion of Doom getting those tag titles
in WWE, that's a big deal.
596
00:43:21,700 --> 00:43:23,880
At that point, Legion of Doom were it.
597
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:29,400
Here we are at Toys R Us and it's the
Legion of Doom!
598
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:30,810
Oh yeah, dude!
599
00:43:30,921 --> 00:43:38,029
You know, they had other business going.
They had, like, their own clothing
600
00:43:38,030 --> 00:43:42,789
line. This company not only has a good
product, it has a great gimmick. They're
601
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:45,110
partners in a company called Zubaz.
602
00:43:45,530 --> 00:43:49,670
Those pants were one of the most popular
pieces of apparel, like, in the world.
603
00:43:49,890 --> 00:43:53,310
Their company grossed about $20 million
last year.
604
00:43:53,311 --> 00:43:57,269
They were kind of like pioneers, you
know, parlaying their fame into other
605
00:43:57,270 --> 00:44:00,050
ventures. They were in it together with
everything.
606
00:44:00,570 --> 00:44:06,190
As for Hawk and Animal, they've learned
how to succeed inside the ring and out,
607
00:44:06,290 --> 00:44:09,990
and they have no intention of losing in
either one.
608
00:44:14,310 --> 00:44:20,949
At the time, Hawk was still struggling
with his demons, and I
609
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:25,750
think his lifestyle was taking a toll on
him for sure, mentally and physically.
610
00:44:27,610 --> 00:44:29,050
Joe, what's his babysitter?
611
00:44:29,580 --> 00:44:34,119
You know, he would try really hard, but
it got to the point where he's like, I
612
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:35,720
can't babysit anymore.
613
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,640
Paul Ellery, welcome to WrestleMania.
614
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,820
I have returned!
615
00:44:47,180 --> 00:44:50,420
Animal felt that Hawk was better when I
was around.
616
00:44:51,020 --> 00:44:55,119
They said, well, it sure would be nice
to have you back, and next thing you
617
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:56,260
know, I got a phone call.
618
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:02,459
Paul was also a great role model for
them, and so I think with Hawk, I think
619
00:45:02,460 --> 00:45:06,460
that they were kind of hoping that maybe
the two of them together could kind of,
620
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,580
you know, hone him in a little bit.
621
00:45:13,020 --> 00:45:17,540
At that time, Paul Ellering had a
brilliant idea.
622
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:26,579
He brought out a dummy, Rocco, who was
supposedly their long
623
00:45:26,580 --> 00:45:28,550
-lost... childhood doll.
624
00:45:28,850 --> 00:45:30,470
What is this?
625
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:38,149
Animal. Hey, what is this? That's Rocko.
And now Rocko the dummy was
626
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:42,330
supposedly going to inspire Hawk and
Animal, take them to higher heights.
627
00:45:42,570 --> 00:45:46,890
All this rubble, we got one piece of
memory left.
628
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:53,710
By then, their biggest positive, money
-wise, was their merchandise sales.
629
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,810
Well, I wanted something that would help
sell a lot of merchandise.
630
00:45:58,500 --> 00:46:02,060
And I thought we could do that with
Rocco dolls.
631
00:46:02,061 --> 00:46:07,659
Remember the Rocco thing? We didn't even
talk about that, right?
632
00:46:07,660 --> 00:46:08,710
Oh, man.
633
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,740
Can I take him? I want to take him to
the ring.
634
00:46:12,060 --> 00:46:14,540
He can be our mascot. Let's take him
everywhere.
635
00:46:14,780 --> 00:46:17,190
I can't believe an animal after all
these years.
636
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:23,280
I remember talking to Joe at the time
how much he couldn't stand that dummy.
637
00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:31,420
Both Hawk and Animal hated that dummy.
638
00:46:31,780 --> 00:46:34,120
Hey, check out the haircut.
639
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:40,420
I would like to point out, I had
absolutely nothing to do with Rocco.
640
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,220
Oh, you guys have sure changed.
641
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,800
I gotta tell you, I thought it was
rotten.
642
00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:52,520
I'm sorry, it was rotten.
643
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:58,020
Rocco did not belong with the Legion of
Doom.
644
00:46:58,620 --> 00:47:01,380
You got these two badasses.
645
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,010
Hi,
646
00:47:05,700 --> 00:47:08,580
I'm Rocco. I'm your friend from when you
were a little kid.
647
00:47:08,780 --> 00:47:13,560
It just made absolutely no sense to me
whatsoever.
648
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,120
The development wasn't there.
649
00:47:17,420 --> 00:47:21,780
It didn't get what it needed from
creatives.
650
00:47:22,350 --> 00:47:25,050
We are the merchants of destruction.
651
00:47:26,070 --> 00:47:28,690
I would have fought to the death to not
do that.
652
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:33,390
Eventually, Rocco somehow disappeared.
653
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:35,760
Trevor.
654
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:57,799
SummerSlam 92 was gigantic for the WWE
because it was truly an international
655
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:03,460
event. This was the beginning of the WWE
going worldwide.
656
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,860
82 ,000 people in Wembley Stadium in
England.
657
00:48:08,620 --> 00:48:10,780
I mean, that's a WrestleMania crowd.
658
00:48:11,740 --> 00:48:18,440
If you mess up the WWE, they don't look
at you the same way.
659
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:24,240
They're sticking millions of dollars of
investment money in you.
660
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,460
And we built up to it so much, months
and months of interviews and time spent,
661
00:48:29,620 --> 00:48:32,000
because you want it to be nothing but
the best.
662
00:48:32,001 --> 00:48:33,899
It's just going to be the big thing.
663
00:48:33,900 --> 00:48:37,079
Money, Inc. against Hawk and Animal in
the Road Wars. It's going to be a big
664
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,820
night for us, and we're all excited.
665
00:48:38,821 --> 00:48:42,819
It's SummerSlam! It's SummerSlam! And I
can't wait, baby! Legion of Doom, don't
666
00:48:42,820 --> 00:48:46,490
think this is a chance for you to get
even with Money Incorporated and IRS.
667
00:48:46,660 --> 00:48:49,010
These are two of our major tag teams,
you know?
668
00:48:49,060 --> 00:48:51,650
Two of the biggest tag teams we've ever
had up there.
669
00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:57,879
But then we get ready to go, and
Ellering comes to me and he goes, Oh, my
670
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,800
said, What's wrong? He goes, It's Hawk.
671
00:49:00,140 --> 00:49:01,580
He was not in good shape.
672
00:49:07,530 --> 00:49:10,120
How much do you want me to tell you
about that night?
673
00:49:12,130 --> 00:49:18,249
He was really unhappy with that little
puppet thing that they had going at that
674
00:49:18,250 --> 00:49:22,350
time and seemed to be in a very self
-destructive mood.
675
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:29,289
Hawk was by the sink and he just took
about four or five Placidyls and threw
676
00:49:29,290 --> 00:49:30,340
them in his mouth.
677
00:49:30,990 --> 00:49:36,630
I've never taken a Placidyl, but for
sedating a horse or elephant or
678
00:49:36,990 --> 00:49:39,520
You take enough of them, I'm sure
they'll kill you.
679
00:49:39,550 --> 00:49:41,660
I remember he stuck them out on his
tongue.
680
00:49:42,430 --> 00:49:47,650
They were all stuck to his tongue, and
then he just downed it with a drink.
681
00:49:48,430 --> 00:49:50,780
That's like suicide. Like, what are you
doing?
682
00:49:52,770 --> 00:49:58,429
What was terrifying was riding the
motorcycle out, because he was in no
683
00:49:58,430 --> 00:49:59,480
do that.
684
00:50:02,170 --> 00:50:03,220
It wasn't good.
685
00:50:06,500 --> 00:50:10,420
Hawk was just a train wreck that day.
686
00:50:10,820 --> 00:50:13,410
I'm not sure Hawk ever knows where he's
at right now.
687
00:50:13,700 --> 00:50:19,039
With Hawk, you never knew what you were
going to get. So we dealt with that as
688
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,000
best we could, and that's all I can say
about it.
689
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:26,050
It doesn't look much like Hawk. To me,
it looks more like an old dirty pigeon.
690
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,220
I felt so bad for Joe.
691
00:50:29,221 --> 00:50:33,419
Imagine how frustrating that is for an
animal who's looking on. Sometimes Hawk,
692
00:50:33,420 --> 00:50:35,770
as a partner, really failed him. Ring
the bell!
693
00:50:38,140 --> 00:50:43,319
When you're a team, it's so important
that one half of that team doesn't let
694
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:44,370
other half down.
695
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,920
Everything with your career is tied in
with his.
696
00:50:48,740 --> 00:50:52,899
With Hawk, everybody really jumped in to
try to cover up what was going through
697
00:50:52,900 --> 00:50:54,040
and happening with him.
698
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:05,739
So we kind of pulled it
699
00:51:05,740 --> 00:51:06,790
out.
700
00:51:21,181 --> 00:51:27,829
You know, I wish it could have been a
lot better looking back if we could have
701
00:51:27,830 --> 00:51:28,880
done it over again.
702
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:33,970
Animal, Joe, he was very disappointed.
703
00:51:35,050 --> 00:51:37,330
Joe was a very proud man.
704
00:51:38,270 --> 00:51:42,690
He lived the road warrior gimmick. He
was proud of that.
705
00:51:42,910 --> 00:51:49,310
And now for it to be tarnished, that did
not sit good with him.
706
00:51:51,170 --> 00:51:54,530
After the match, Joe and I met at the
airport.
707
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:56,610
Hawk's not here.
708
00:51:57,470 --> 00:51:58,770
We flew back.
709
00:51:59,750 --> 00:52:03,810
At the next TV taping, which was shortly
after that event,
710
00:52:04,830 --> 00:52:06,470
Joe Laurinaitis is there.
711
00:52:07,390 --> 00:52:08,630
Animal's ready to go.
712
00:52:09,050 --> 00:52:14,090
Here is Animal of Legion of Doom!
713
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:18,750
Hawk's nowhere to be found.
714
00:52:25,140 --> 00:52:28,400
After SummerSlam, Hawk, he just walked
away.
715
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:31,520
Where's Hawk? I don't know.
716
00:52:31,820 --> 00:52:32,870
Where is he?
717
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,440
After that show, Hawk went.
718
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:43,719
He met up with some bikers in England,
and he disappeared for, I don't know,
719
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:44,770
or three weeks.
720
00:52:44,771 --> 00:52:48,759
He disappeared, and there was all kinds
of rumors that he had taken off with the
721
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,400
Hells Angels, and it was just nobody
knew.
722
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:54,920
No one had heard from him.
723
00:52:55,340 --> 00:52:59,540
The last known place that he had landed
was in Amsterdam.
724
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:06,640
Well, Hawk, he was a cat who had 13
lives.
725
00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:08,700
I knew he'd be alive.
726
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,140
I just didn't know where, and I was
hoping he wouldn't get hurt.
727
00:53:16,940 --> 00:53:21,539
Then, finally, he had his lawyer drop
something where he wasn't coming back to
728
00:53:21,540 --> 00:53:22,590
WWE.
729
00:53:26,180 --> 00:53:30,239
Hawk had called and talked to Vince, the
secretary at the time, and said, this
730
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:31,290
is Hawk.
731
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:32,680
I've had enough. I quit.
732
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:34,930
And that was it.
733
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:42,540
It's hard to say why Hawk would just
walk out on WWE at that time.
734
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:49,419
Despite whatever at SummerSlam 92,
despite Rocco the dummy, the Legion of
735
00:53:49,420 --> 00:53:50,800
were on top of the world.
736
00:53:51,380 --> 00:53:57,139
But when you have this side of you that
is just... desperate to rebel, it
737
00:53:57,140 --> 00:53:59,600
becomes real hard to silence that side.
738
00:54:00,660 --> 00:54:04,460
Now, everything they built up is gone.
739
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,080
Joel, he was disappointed.
740
00:54:08,860 --> 00:54:10,000
He was hurt.
741
00:54:10,860 --> 00:54:12,160
He was angry.
742
00:54:13,620 --> 00:54:15,120
He was devastated.
743
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:17,880
He was mad.
744
00:54:18,980 --> 00:54:20,720
Hey, I've got a family.
745
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:22,100
You know, I have kids.
746
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:27,839
Animal said, I'm so disappointed. I am
so hurt. We got a great tag team. We're
747
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,040
the biggest company in the world. And
now he goes and pulls this.
748
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:35,539
He said, that hurts not only him, but it
hurts me. It hurts my family. It hurts
749
00:54:35,540 --> 00:54:36,590
everybody.
750
00:54:37,340 --> 00:54:39,570
Felt like I was being deserted by my
partner.
751
00:54:40,100 --> 00:54:44,939
He forgot that we're a team, and he made
a personal decision which affected a
752
00:54:44,940 --> 00:54:49,179
team. And you can't do that when you're
a member of a team. There's no I in
753
00:54:49,180 --> 00:54:50,230
team.
754
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:52,250
So now...
755
00:54:52,380 --> 00:54:56,350
Hulk's gone, and all of a sudden this
partner's dangling out there by himself,
756
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,430
and they had to put him with other
members and single matches.
757
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,680
Joe never really made it as a solo
performer.
758
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:10,960
I think people looked at it as a lesser
-than version.
759
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:17,119
It just didn't work, because people
wanted the original Road Warriors, the
760
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:18,480
original Legion of Doom.
761
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:20,920
You separate them.
762
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,920
They're just not as good as the sum of
both parts.
763
00:55:27,100 --> 00:55:29,080
So, Animal needed Hawk.
764
00:55:30,500 --> 00:55:32,940
Joe, on his own, didn't have as much
success.
765
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:34,420
That's just the way it was.
766
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:36,700
It just wasn't as important to Hawk.
767
00:55:39,220 --> 00:55:44,220
Hawk didn't need Joe as much as Joe
needed Hawk.
768
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,150
I ain't saying that on camera because,
like, you know.
769
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,320
He was going to try to make it work.
770
00:55:53,820 --> 00:55:58,540
But I can't imagine him not being with
Hawk.
771
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:09,819
At that point, Hawk decides to go to
Japan and tag with Japanese wrestler Ken
772
00:56:09,820 --> 00:56:10,870
Sasaki.
773
00:56:11,340 --> 00:56:16,580
When Hawk went to Japan with Sasaki,
they did a road warrior clone.
774
00:56:19,180 --> 00:56:23,300
Joe was very, very upset about it. Kind
of like a stab in the back, you know.
775
00:56:24,500 --> 00:56:28,499
I wasn't sure at that point that they
would ever, you know, would ever be back
776
00:56:28,500 --> 00:56:29,319
to normal.
777
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:30,940
You know, you can make that right.
778
00:56:31,420 --> 00:56:34,060
It kind of had maybe taken a little bit
too far.
779
00:56:35,460 --> 00:56:39,539
Hawk being heavy in his addiction at the
time, instead of saying, hey, I screwed
780
00:56:39,540 --> 00:56:44,519
up and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you
know, he just went, oh, I didn't do
781
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:45,570
anything wrong.
782
00:56:46,740 --> 00:56:48,790
At that point, I was really pissed at
him.
783
00:56:48,791 --> 00:56:52,859
I wasn't so much against him doing it. I
was against him going without asking me
784
00:56:52,860 --> 00:56:53,910
to go with him.
785
00:56:53,911 --> 00:56:56,479
He should know after all those years
that anybody that was going to have his
786
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:57,560
back was going to be me.
787
00:56:59,660 --> 00:57:04,480
At the time Joe had injured his back,
that one was pretty bad.
788
00:57:04,481 --> 00:57:08,359
You know, it's one of those where you're
like, do I keep going or should I maybe
789
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:09,410
take some time off?
790
00:57:09,620 --> 00:57:10,670
And I think...
791
00:57:11,050 --> 00:57:15,349
With the situation that was going on
with Hawk and with him having to do
792
00:57:15,350 --> 00:57:19,230
singles, and it was just kind of a
perfect storm for a perfect time off.
793
00:57:20,690 --> 00:57:22,010
Put your arms up, James.
794
00:57:23,810 --> 00:57:26,270
Hey, like Daddy does in the ring.
795
00:57:26,590 --> 00:57:29,050
At that time, he was away from
wrestling.
796
00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:33,589
Every game, every practice, any school
event, anything that we were doing, he
797
00:57:33,590 --> 00:57:34,670
was just always there.
798
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:38,650
I just think it's...
799
00:57:39,210 --> 00:57:41,370
A true testament as to who he was.
800
00:57:41,850 --> 00:57:42,900
He was a dad.
801
00:57:44,970 --> 00:57:51,389
As far as Joe and Mike go, I would say
that it was probably over a year
802
00:57:51,390 --> 00:57:57,069
that they did not speak to one another
because of that stab in the back, you
803
00:57:57,070 --> 00:57:59,970
know. Joe was very hurt by it, very
upset by it.
804
00:58:01,050 --> 00:58:04,030
So we talked a lot about, you know,
quitting.
805
00:58:04,530 --> 00:58:07,030
We talked about, you know, getting a
normal job.
806
00:58:09,090 --> 00:58:14,989
That pull, I think, of being Road
Warrior Animal and the business was just
807
00:58:14,990 --> 00:58:16,040
strong.
808
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:23,570
Mike realized that the beauty of them
was together, not separate.
809
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:36,830
It's almost like they got divorced, but
they needed to reunite.
810
00:58:37,130 --> 00:58:40,680
to get back together again because they
were meant to be kind of a thing.
811
00:58:40,850 --> 00:58:45,110
But I think they were just drawn, drawn
to the business, drawn to each other.
812
00:58:45,530 --> 00:58:48,720
It's like, you know, having a fight with
your brother, you know.
813
00:58:48,721 --> 00:58:52,009
You're mad at each other for a while,
and you make up because you love each
814
00:58:52,010 --> 00:58:53,060
other, you know.
815
00:58:53,350 --> 00:58:55,310
So they loved each other.
816
00:58:56,770 --> 00:58:57,820
They were brothers.
817
00:58:59,010 --> 00:59:01,050
No matter what happens, you're brothers.
818
00:59:03,490 --> 00:59:05,250
It was a blood thing with them.
819
00:59:06,690 --> 00:59:11,449
It took Hoff to learn for a while who
his true best friend in the wrestling
820
00:59:11,450 --> 00:59:13,250
business was, and it was me all along.
821
00:59:13,251 --> 00:59:16,589
Because I stuck with him through thick
and thin. I stuck with him because I
822
00:59:16,590 --> 00:59:19,629
believed in him. And he was my partner,
and I loved him, and I grew up with him.
823
00:59:19,630 --> 00:59:22,889
I grew in the business with him. My
family learned to love him and grew with
824
00:59:22,890 --> 00:59:23,829
and loved him.
825
00:59:23,830 --> 00:59:27,010
So I said, let's just try it again and
see what happens.
826
00:59:34,860 --> 00:59:41,639
In 1996, we met with both of them, and
Animal and Hawk seemed
827
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:47,399
like they were in a really good place,
and they expressed to us the desire that
828
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,280
they really did want to come back.
829
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:54,620
Coming up next, we have a huge surprise
right here on Raw.
830
00:59:54,980 --> 00:59:58,680
It was one of those, look, we're going
to try this. If it works, great.
831
00:59:58,900 --> 01:00:02,060
If it doesn't work, then we're going to
cut bait.
832
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:24,939
It's cool when you've established
yourself to a point that you can go away
833
01:00:24,940 --> 01:00:25,990
be missed.
834
01:00:28,660 --> 01:00:35,099
And then when you come back, people are
super hyped to see, oh my God, these are
835
01:00:35,100 --> 01:00:36,150
my guys, they're bad.
836
01:00:37,819 --> 01:00:42,419
And that energy carries, and they still
have the same energy, just like they
837
01:00:42,420 --> 01:00:43,470
never left.
838
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:48,060
For me, it was even cooler because I
just hadn't seen them in a while.
839
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,990
LOD had some great moments when they
came back in 1997.
840
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,160
Winning the tag titles.
841
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:05,620
To see them in the ring together was
fun.
842
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:10,319
And their charisma was so good with each
other and the wrestling, good
843
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:16,060
wrestling. But for me, I think it was
more about the trust.
844
01:01:17,060 --> 01:01:18,280
Can we trust him?
845
01:01:18,281 --> 01:01:22,879
Are we going to be able to trust that
he's going to show up or that he's going
846
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:23,930
to be sober?
847
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:30,700
Animal gave Hawk another shot because
they were so closely bonded together.
848
01:01:31,780 --> 01:01:34,960
But Animal sort of was...
849
01:01:35,910 --> 01:01:38,050
waiting for the next meltdown for Hawk.
850
01:01:39,570 --> 01:01:43,629
You know, it's like nobody could stop
it. He was going to self -destruct, he
851
01:01:43,630 --> 01:01:46,849
going to self -destruct, and it didn't
matter what the consequences were.
852
01:01:46,850 --> 01:01:51,770
It didn't matter how it affected
everything else that maybe Joe had on
853
01:01:52,530 --> 01:01:55,910
Like, whatever happens to Hawk affects
him.
854
01:01:56,850 --> 01:01:58,670
That was kind of the sad part about it.
855
01:02:01,850 --> 01:02:05,190
Hawk was really, like, he was going
through a rough spell then.
856
01:02:07,070 --> 01:02:11,309
It just made you sad, you know, and you
try to look out for him because he was
857
01:02:11,310 --> 01:02:13,050
the kind that would look out for you.
858
01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:18,850
It's Hawk, man. He deserves our respect,
and we need to look out for him.
859
01:02:23,970 --> 01:02:27,450
Sometimes it's a good thing to work in.
860
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:35,119
real -life situations into the creative
because you can feel it and it
861
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:36,170
is real.
862
01:02:36,580 --> 01:02:43,519
In this particular case, we took Hawk's
real -life
863
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:49,239
addiction and real -life issues that he
was dealing with on a daily basis and
864
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:50,380
put it on screen.
865
01:02:51,020 --> 01:02:53,260
He's walking drunk, it looks like.
866
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:57,790
Not only falling off the wagon, but the
wagon is running over.
867
01:02:58,900 --> 01:02:59,950
I hate it.
868
01:03:01,980 --> 01:03:08,640
I hate it when they use this addiction
and storyline stuff.
869
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:14,559
It was
870
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:20,200
painful. You know, it was painful.
871
01:03:22,300 --> 01:03:25,200
It didn't help him with any issues.
872
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:28,920
It was just like, what are you doing?
873
01:03:29,180 --> 01:03:30,230
Look at you!
874
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,000
Look at you! I didn't like it.
875
01:03:33,380 --> 01:03:35,540
And I know Animal didn't like it.
876
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,660
Things he had them doing on live on TV.
877
01:03:38,860 --> 01:03:42,819
He said, this is too close to home, man.
This is opening up some old wounds
878
01:03:42,820 --> 01:03:44,020
we're trying to put away.
879
01:03:44,460 --> 01:03:49,019
I don't think Hawk can even defend
himself here. And if Hawk would have
880
01:03:49,020 --> 01:03:51,039
don't like it, well, that would have
been perfect.
881
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:52,120
But he said, I'll do it.
882
01:03:52,420 --> 01:03:53,600
So we did it.
883
01:03:55,300 --> 01:04:02,239
In addition to that, we introduced
another character in Draws where the
884
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:08,919
if Hawk can't work, because Hawk was
dealing with issues, well, you've got
885
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:14,740
Draws that can now be a part of the
Legion of Doom with Animal.
886
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,600
Nice teamwork there by Draws and Animal.
887
01:04:18,430 --> 01:04:22,450
Remember Hawk from his problem with
painkillers is now an alternate.
888
01:04:22,950 --> 01:04:29,049
Anytime you do that, it doesn't work.
The audience doesn't accept it. They
889
01:04:29,050 --> 01:04:30,100
the original.
890
01:04:30,750 --> 01:04:35,689
Well, let's just say that dwelling on
the past is something the old LOD would
891
01:04:35,690 --> 01:04:38,050
do. They want their guys, man.
892
01:04:39,410 --> 01:04:41,750
Draws and Animal were not the Legion of
Doom.
893
01:04:42,170 --> 01:04:43,990
Oh, what a rush.
894
01:04:44,450 --> 01:04:47,190
Hawk, you know, like, he wasn't happy.
895
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:49,920
He was trying to be a pro.
896
01:04:49,921 --> 01:04:54,679
There's Hawk right there. What is he
doing? I thought he was going to come
897
01:04:54,680 --> 01:05:01,159
He's climbing up on the Titan Tron. The
storyline culminated when Hawk is now
898
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:05,060
threatening to jump off the Titan Tron.
899
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,240
Hawk has threatened to jump.
900
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:12,800
Droz climbs up to help Hawk to get him
down. Get up!
901
01:05:13,020 --> 01:05:16,700
And then they do this thing where Droz
puts his hands on Hawk.
902
01:05:17,259 --> 01:05:19,020
Don't touch it! Don't touch it!
903
01:05:19,740 --> 01:05:22,560
Get his shirt! Oh!
904
01:05:23,031 --> 01:05:24,519
Every
905
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:31,979
fan
906
01:05:31,980 --> 01:05:38,539
hated it, I think, and as a family, it
bothered me, you know, but I guess I
907
01:05:38,540 --> 01:05:41,879
thought there might have been a better
ending to it than how it ended.
908
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:44,940
The audience didn't believe it.
909
01:05:45,260 --> 01:05:52,259
And the audience didn't want it. And as
far as Hawk went, the
910
01:05:52,260 --> 01:05:54,500
audience just felt sad for Hawk.
911
01:05:55,320 --> 01:06:01,959
This character who was once just this
invincible force of
912
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:06,240
pure and utter destruction is now almost
pathetic.
913
01:06:07,220 --> 01:06:10,980
It was another negative to be brought
up.
914
01:06:11,260 --> 01:06:14,580
And when you lose your respect,
915
01:06:15,500 --> 01:06:20,280
And your pride, that's a lot in this
business.
916
01:06:23,100 --> 01:06:26,940
Maybe a look at reality is the end here.
917
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:29,960
If it isn't, it's close.
918
01:06:35,420 --> 01:06:42,360
The sad fact was,
919
01:06:44,170 --> 01:06:46,640
Legion of Doom wasn't the Legion of Doom
anymore.
920
01:06:47,770 --> 01:06:50,430
Father Time does no jobs.
921
01:06:51,150 --> 01:06:54,090
And Father Time, it hit them.
922
01:06:55,270 --> 01:07:01,090
And during that time period, the
Attitude Era is exploding.
923
01:07:01,490 --> 01:07:08,189
There's new massive stars that are
popping up every single week on Monday
924
01:07:08,190 --> 01:07:11,250
Raw. So the Legion of Doom...
925
01:07:11,770 --> 01:07:16,329
I think they were more looked at as kind
of a washed -up old team because this
926
01:07:16,330 --> 01:07:17,530
is now a young man's time.
927
01:07:21,850 --> 01:07:27,369
They would have made a nice little year
or two run and retire as champs, you
928
01:07:27,370 --> 01:07:28,870
know, in a fairytale world.
929
01:07:28,871 --> 01:07:32,629
But unfortunately, you know, we don't
live in a fairytale world and that's not
930
01:07:32,630 --> 01:07:33,680
going to happen.
931
01:07:34,670 --> 01:07:37,970
So, unfortunately, we left WWE.
932
01:07:40,330 --> 01:07:44,949
When their contracts weren't renewed,
they were not quite ready to hang up the
933
01:07:44,950 --> 01:07:46,990
boots. They hit the independents.
934
01:07:50,590 --> 01:07:55,689
In 2000, Hawk and Animal are bouncing
around the independent circuit in
935
01:07:55,690 --> 01:07:56,740
Australia.
936
01:07:57,370 --> 01:08:03,670
And one night, Hawk collapses with a
medical emergency, a heart issue.
937
01:08:05,810 --> 01:08:07,630
It was the toll of all the drugs.
938
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:12,179
that he had done over the years and not
taking care of himself the way he should
939
01:08:12,180 --> 01:08:13,230
have.
940
01:08:13,860 --> 01:08:16,020
Animal got him to the hospital.
941
01:08:16,460 --> 01:08:18,930
They wanted to keep him. They wouldn't
let him out.
942
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:25,159
And Animal took him out because Hawk
said, I can't stay here. I just can't. I
943
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:26,560
don't want to die here.
944
01:08:27,300 --> 01:08:29,420
And he lived in Florida now.
945
01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:36,380
So Animal flew him back to Tampa, and
Animal went back to Minneapolis.
946
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:39,800
And that was it.
947
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:47,220
Mike was looking at life after wrestling
and trying to figure out what to do.
948
01:08:48,540 --> 01:08:53,439
Announcing or doing something and trying
to figure out next steps.
949
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:57,130
He was working out with me every
morning.
950
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:01,579
One of the girls there that did aerobics
was this gorgeous, dark -haired lady
951
01:09:01,580 --> 01:09:02,630
named Dale.
952
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:06,220
And Hawk, well, Hawk, get over there.
953
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:08,320
So I introduced him, you know.
954
01:09:08,779 --> 01:09:12,919
I said, Dale, I don't know if you
remember Hawk or not, but he wants to
955
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:15,080
out. So they ended up going out.
956
01:09:15,939 --> 01:09:17,899
And they ended up marrying her.
957
01:09:19,220 --> 01:09:23,540
She was a great influence on him in a
huge part of his life.
958
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:29,898
He loved her a lot. She loved him a lot.
And they were, I think, good for each
959
01:09:29,899 --> 01:09:30,949
other.
960
01:09:31,899 --> 01:09:35,680
At the time, Joe, he did a lot of
independent wrestling.
961
01:09:36,440 --> 01:09:38,300
But he never really liked it.
962
01:09:38,301 --> 01:09:42,119
You know, when you don't have that
person in the corner that you've kind of
963
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:47,239
always relied on, whether he's reliable
or not, he was, you know, they had gone
964
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:48,380
through a lot together.
965
01:09:49,500 --> 01:09:52,580
You can't have Rotary Animal without
Hawk.
966
01:09:53,300 --> 01:09:55,280
You couldn't have one without the other.
967
01:09:59,660 --> 01:10:00,740
One day...
968
01:10:01,350 --> 01:10:07,149
I invited Joe to a conference out in
Phoenix, Arizona. It's called AIM,
969
01:10:07,150 --> 01:10:12,110
International Ministries for College and
Professional Christian Athletes.
970
01:10:12,310 --> 01:10:15,990
Joe immediately said, can I invite Mike?
I want to invite Mike.
971
01:10:17,810 --> 01:10:22,869
I'm like, Joe, you know it's like a
Christian conference, right? And he
972
01:10:22,870 --> 01:10:26,030
know, but I just feel like I'm supposed
to invite him.
973
01:10:26,490 --> 01:10:30,130
I'm like, well, by all means, invite him
then.
974
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:39,500
And he called me back, and he said, man,
he wants to come.
975
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:49,699
That first night, Mike's whole
personality, attitude, everything
976
01:10:49,700 --> 01:10:50,750
changed.
977
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:54,760
Oh, my gosh, like there's a genuine
change in this man.
978
01:10:55,460 --> 01:10:59,680
There was a sense of genuineness about
him, a sense of joy.
979
01:11:00,300 --> 01:11:06,299
that he maybe didn't have prior to that,
and a change, not just a change of
980
01:11:06,300 --> 01:11:08,420
attitude, but a heart change.
981
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:17,999
After that, he was just trying to
straighten up all
982
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:19,740
around. And here we are.
983
01:11:20,500 --> 01:11:27,459
Finally, he was ready for that, and Paul
got clean and
984
01:11:27,460 --> 01:11:28,510
sober.
985
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:33,720
which is a great story on Hawk Whip.
Nobody thought Hawk would ever pull it
986
01:11:35,420 --> 01:11:37,180
It was like night and day.
987
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:43,460
It was just a wonderful thing to see. It
was a miracle.
988
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:49,240
It took us all by surprise, and
obviously in a good way.
989
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:52,080
He just seemed really happy.
990
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:58,980
Life will be good. You have Dale, you
have your place in Florida, everything.
991
01:11:59,420 --> 01:12:04,539
It seemed like it was falling into
place, knowing that, okay, you don't
992
01:12:04,540 --> 01:12:06,500
worry so much about Mike anymore.
993
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:13,600
The road he was on is no longer the road
he is on.
994
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:20,719
Now he's on a new road. On this road, he
will fulfill his life and his
995
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:21,920
destiny in life.
996
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:34,800
September 2003, I got to spend time with
Hawk.
997
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:42,119
We just sat there and soaked up some sun
and talked about the
998
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:46,200
old days and where we can go from here.
999
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:49,880
It was Saturday morning.
1000
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:51,860
He was getting ready to move.
1001
01:12:52,580 --> 01:12:56,479
He calls me up and goes, I got to get
right in here. I got to go help Dale
1002
01:12:56,480 --> 01:13:00,040
and help her move. He goes, I'll call
you back later tonight. He goes, Joe.
1003
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,000
I said, what? He goes, I love you.
1004
01:13:03,001 --> 01:13:06,079
He goes, you know that, don't you? I
said, yeah, man, I know that.
1005
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:07,980
I said, brother, I love you too, Mike.
1006
01:13:08,220 --> 01:13:09,780
I said, I'll talk to you tonight.
1007
01:13:22,259 --> 01:13:23,309
Yeah.
1008
01:13:25,220 --> 01:13:26,920
I always get this way.
1009
01:13:31,660 --> 01:13:36,220
Mike and Dale,
1010
01:13:36,380 --> 01:13:43,199
they were moving, you know, and they
were moving a lot of
1011
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:49,519
furniture and boxes and stuff. And from
what I understand, he wasn't feeling
1012
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:50,580
well, you know.
1013
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:58,340
He said, I'm tired, I don't feel real
good or something, and laid down.
1014
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:03,360
And, you know, yeah.
1015
01:14:08,060 --> 01:14:13,200
I think an hour later, Dale went in and
he had passed.
1016
01:14:18,780 --> 01:14:20,920
The guy with the big heart dies.
1017
01:14:22,570 --> 01:14:23,620
What a heart attack.
1018
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:33,069
Yeah, the hardest part was just, you
1019
01:14:33,070 --> 01:14:36,910
know, didn't expect him to die.
1020
01:14:43,030 --> 01:14:49,949
All the times that he could have died in
his life, it was unexpected, which
1021
01:14:49,950 --> 01:14:51,000
sounds crazy.
1022
01:14:55,660 --> 01:14:56,710
Joe's phone rang.
1023
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:58,010
It was Dale.
1024
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:05,980
He just, like, like, collapsed. He,
like, just, like, fell to the ground.
1025
01:15:07,140 --> 01:15:13,679
Joe told me when he got that phone call
that Mike had passed away, he said he
1026
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:15,940
sat down and he just cried like a baby.
1027
01:15:19,860 --> 01:15:22,420
Animal called me up, said,
1028
01:15:23,980 --> 01:15:25,080
Hawk is gone.
1029
01:15:31,020 --> 01:15:33,300
And I cried and cried.
1030
01:15:38,480 --> 01:15:39,540
It was hard.
1031
01:15:41,871 --> 01:15:48,719
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
We're live here on Raw this past Sunday
1032
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:52,680
morning. Road Warrior Hawk passed away
unexpected at the age of 46.
1033
01:15:56,220 --> 01:16:02,019
Even though he had gotten clean, I
think, as we all know, that kind of
1034
01:16:02,020 --> 01:16:06,499
was strained on his heart. It caught up
with him at a time when he had gotten
1035
01:16:06,500 --> 01:16:08,260
clean. So that was kind of sad.
1036
01:16:08,500 --> 01:16:10,940
We definitely lost him way too early.
1037
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:15,000
Hawk was a nice guy.
1038
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:20,300
So it was just a really, really tough
one.
1039
01:16:24,940 --> 01:16:30,079
Growing up in the 60s, I don't remember
my
1040
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:33,800
dad ever giving me a hug.
1041
01:16:35,140 --> 01:16:38,340
And Mike brought that back.
1042
01:16:39,980 --> 01:16:45,740
He got our dad to hug us, and we hugged
our dad.
1043
01:16:47,620 --> 01:16:49,260
And we hugged each other.
1044
01:16:51,440 --> 01:16:52,900
That's the way I remember it.
1045
01:16:54,621 --> 01:17:02,309
My brother Hawk, man, I'm telling you,
there's not a day that goes by that I do
1046
01:17:02,310 --> 01:17:03,730
not think about that man.
1047
01:17:05,530 --> 01:17:10,089
I knew Hawk better than anybody. If I
could explain the connection that Hawk
1048
01:17:10,090 --> 01:17:16,989
I had, I would, but I can't explain it.
And Hawk, we fed off
1049
01:17:16,990 --> 01:17:20,430
each other, man. It was one mind, one
team, one body.
1050
01:17:21,250 --> 01:17:24,610
And I will forever miss him and be dead.
1051
01:17:32,650 --> 01:17:37,829
that time we were in Missouri we lived
in Missouri for a long time my brother
1052
01:17:37,830 --> 01:17:43,169
was playing for the St. Louis Rams and
then we were down there for quite some
1053
01:17:43,170 --> 01:17:48,589
time that St. Louis really became our
home my dad he you know he did wrestling
1054
01:17:48,590 --> 01:17:52,649
appearances here and there you can tell
he definitely missed it but he continued
1055
01:17:52,650 --> 01:17:56,989
to be a family man and he was just a
grandpa to you know all of his little
1056
01:17:56,990 --> 01:18:01,319
grandkids and just loved that I mean he
wished he could have been living near
1057
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:04,419
everybody in his family and just we all
could have just lived on a compound
1058
01:18:04,420 --> 01:18:11,019
together and he would have been happy
when i had my son
1059
01:18:11,020 --> 01:18:16,499
jacob which was april 19 2011 my dad
ended up like
1060
01:18:16,500 --> 01:18:22,559
not being able to breathe like very well
so he ended up going into the hospital
1061
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:28,960
and he got diagnosed with congestive
heart failure but after that
1062
01:18:28,961 --> 01:18:33,099
He definitely was, like, hyper -focused
on his health and just trying to make
1063
01:18:33,100 --> 01:18:35,360
sure that he was as healthy as he could
be.
1064
01:18:36,420 --> 01:18:42,060
It was his family, 100%. You know.
1065
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:50,170
Sorry.
1066
01:18:53,340 --> 01:18:57,840
She told me that he wanted to watch
Jacob grow up as his grandpa.
1067
01:18:59,690 --> 01:19:05,329
And he wanted to watch him play high
school sports and go to college and all
1068
01:19:05,330 --> 01:19:06,380
that stuff.
1069
01:19:06,550 --> 01:19:12,929
So at that moment, he wanted to be there
for him and for everybody else in the
1070
01:19:12,930 --> 01:19:19,190
family. And that was definitely what was
driving him.
1071
01:19:21,490 --> 01:19:27,329
There were times that I know he wasn't
feeling okay, but I know that he
1072
01:19:27,330 --> 01:19:29,230
pushed through it.
1073
01:19:29,500 --> 01:19:34,180
like every day, you know, just to be
there for us and whoever else needed
1074
01:19:34,220 --> 01:19:35,900
He was just determined to be there.
1075
01:19:39,980 --> 01:19:46,759
I knew Joe had some heart issues, but I
didn't know just how serious they
1076
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:47,810
were.
1077
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:53,200
It was September 22, 2020.
1078
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,040
She ended up going into...
1079
01:19:58,050 --> 01:20:02,510
The hospital, he was having a heart
attack.
1080
01:20:04,830 --> 01:20:09,309
I remember at one point, they told me
that they had been, like, trying to
1081
01:20:09,310 --> 01:20:10,970
him for, like, 30 minutes.
1082
01:20:14,630 --> 01:20:17,310
And I knew at that point he wasn't going
to make it.
1083
01:20:20,590 --> 01:20:21,640
I just knew.
1084
01:20:22,370 --> 01:20:23,990
You know, it's just that feeling.
1085
01:20:27,510 --> 01:20:32,090
Seeing him laying there on that table,
just knowing he wasn't coming back.
1086
01:20:36,270 --> 01:20:40,390
I just like fell to the floor. My whole
world just,
1087
01:20:40,510 --> 01:20:43,890
just stopped.
1088
01:20:48,790 --> 01:20:52,729
I didn't think I was going to get upset,
but it was a very, she was very
1089
01:20:52,730 --> 01:20:53,780
emotional.
1090
01:20:55,980 --> 01:20:59,620
The Minnesota professional wrestler
known as Animal has died.
1091
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:02,480
Joe Laurinaitis died at the age of 60.
1092
01:21:02,860 --> 01:21:05,840
TMZ is reporting his death was from
natural causes.
1093
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:11,560
To get that call of his passing was
heart -wrenching.
1094
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:20,420
I saw Hawk a month before he died, and I
saw Joe a month before he died.
1095
01:21:22,700 --> 01:21:24,520
I never got to say goodbye.
1096
01:21:31,740 --> 01:21:37,860
Well, we're going to the hockey rink to
go meet my son and play a little hockey.
1097
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:43,139
I've got to still try to school him a
little bit, you know, because I still
1098
01:21:43,140 --> 01:21:46,260
him I'm better than him, but I don't
know, he's pretty good.
1099
01:21:46,531 --> 01:21:47,979
The
1100
01:21:47,980 --> 01:21:54,759
way
1101
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:57,720
that my dad raised us was just to love
each other.
1102
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,070
You know, and of course, everybody's
parents.
1103
01:22:01,210 --> 01:22:05,369
I think, a little differently than,
like, how they were raised. But I catch
1104
01:22:05,370 --> 01:22:07,050
myself. I'm the same way with Jacob.
1105
01:22:07,630 --> 01:22:09,250
Let's pass around a little, huh?
1106
01:22:10,250 --> 01:22:11,300
Oh, yeah.
1107
01:22:12,410 --> 01:22:13,830
That love for family.
1108
01:22:13,831 --> 01:22:17,929
I just don't know anything different
than that. That's literally all I was
1109
01:22:17,930 --> 01:22:18,980
to.
1110
01:22:19,030 --> 01:22:23,549
My dad, he's just in the back of my
mind, you know, all the time. Just what
1111
01:22:23,550 --> 01:22:25,110
would he do or what would he say?
1112
01:22:25,330 --> 01:22:26,380
Can you rip it?
1113
01:22:27,130 --> 01:22:28,590
And, of course...
1114
01:22:28,810 --> 01:22:32,829
The dedication, the hard work, like just
teaching the work ethic, I've
1115
01:22:32,830 --> 01:22:36,369
definitely kind of instilled that in
Jacob. And I do explain it to him like,
1116
01:22:36,370 --> 01:22:39,989
hey, Papa would have done this. You know
what I mean? I kind of use that because
1117
01:22:39,990 --> 01:22:44,449
there's a lot of stuff that my dad and,
of course, my mom taught us that it's
1118
01:22:44,450 --> 01:22:48,809
like you need to keep going. You need to
try to be the best. You need to try to
1119
01:22:48,810 --> 01:22:53,169
do this. And I definitely will have to
kind of throw Papa's name around a
1120
01:22:53,170 --> 01:22:55,210
bit just to get Jacob to listen to me.
1121
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:10,559
Go back to the early days at the gym and
Grandma B's and them crossing paths
1122
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:16,039
with one another, whether it be fate or
whatever else it is that brought the two
1123
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:20,340
of them together to go on to have this
legendary tag team career.
1124
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:23,900
It's pretty amazing to think about it
and look back on.
1125
01:23:26,740 --> 01:23:28,240
For the Road Warriors.
1126
01:23:28,620 --> 01:23:32,060
Brother, you talk about vicious, bizarre
individuals.
1127
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:39,439
I think the legacy would probably be...
And, brother, they are carnage
1128
01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:40,580
unlimited. Oh, wow!
1129
01:23:41,140 --> 01:23:44,810
Nobody was tougher, nobody was stronger,
nobody was more intimidating.
1130
01:23:44,811 --> 01:23:46,399
You want a piece of the Warriors?
1131
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:47,450
Hop in the ring.
1132
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:49,900
They made their own destiny.
1133
01:23:50,300 --> 01:23:52,800
What a moment for Legion of Doom!
1134
01:23:53,180 --> 01:23:54,580
They wrote the book.
1135
01:23:54,940 --> 01:23:55,990
Oh, look at this!
1136
01:23:57,180 --> 01:23:58,280
Forget about it!
1137
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:00,820
Then they lived the book.
1138
01:24:01,820 --> 01:24:03,720
They were the best of their time.
1139
01:24:04,140 --> 01:24:05,600
They were the best of all time.
1140
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:12,500
But the best things in life are not
things.
1141
01:24:13,140 --> 01:24:14,500
They're relationships.
1142
01:24:19,060 --> 01:24:24,560
Outside of being known as Animal and
Hawk, they were Joe and Mike.
1143
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:28,960
And they developed the loyalty to one
another.
1144
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:33,780
and stayed together through the highs
and lows, the thick and the thin.
1145
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:40,400
And it led to a long -lasting love for
one another.
1146
01:24:41,140 --> 01:24:45,560
Joe Laurinaitis and Mike Hegstrand were
true brothers.
1147
01:24:45,820 --> 01:24:51,659
They would have never found the success
they had in life without each other. The
1148
01:24:51,660 --> 01:24:54,300
road that they traveled was together.
1149
01:24:56,090 --> 01:24:59,760
They may have drifted apart at times,
but they always came back together.
1150
01:24:59,761 --> 01:25:04,509
They never really left each other. They
were really always there for each other
1151
01:25:04,510 --> 01:25:05,560
right to the end.
1152
01:25:08,750 --> 01:25:10,310
It's a lot of destiny.
1153
01:25:11,870 --> 01:25:14,340
The next thing you know, you're making
memories.
1154
01:25:16,630 --> 01:25:23,349
Of all the things in the world, it's the
memories that
1155
01:25:23,350 --> 01:25:24,400
matter.
1156
01:25:25,740 --> 01:25:27,020
The boys are smiling.
1157
01:25:27,070 --> 01:25:31,620
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