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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,019 --> 00:00:01,060 ¿Qué pasa, amigo? 2 00:00:01,176 --> 00:00:02,622 我是水獺 3 00:00:02,892 --> 00:00:04,860 相信喜歡騎車的各位 4 00:00:05,284 --> 00:00:07,614 對於WSBK和MotoGP 5 00:00:07,618 --> 00:00:09,893 這兩個單詞應該不陌生 6 00:00:10,067 --> 00:00:13,134 身為地球上最頂級的二輪賽事 7 00:00:13,365 --> 00:00:15,448 他這兩種賽事有什麼區別呢 8 00:00:15,641 --> 00:00:17,049 他們車看起來很像 9 00:00:17,357 --> 00:00:18,514 但有哪些不一樣 10 00:00:18,746 --> 00:00:20,231 我今天準備了一部 11 00:00:20,501 --> 00:00:21,870 曾經在這兩種賽事 12 00:00:21,870 --> 00:00:24,474 都曾出戰過的車手的採訪影片 13 00:00:24,783 --> 00:00:26,094 希望透過他的心得去了解 14 00:00:26,152 --> 00:00:27,753 這兩種賽事的差異 15 00:00:28,081 --> 00:00:30,646 畢竟相較於技術規範 16 00:00:30,935 --> 00:00:33,288 賽事規定那種冷冰冰的文字 17 00:00:33,558 --> 00:00:36,489 我覺得這種第一手的感受資訊 18 00:00:36,856 --> 00:00:37,859 是更可貴的 19 00:00:38,167 --> 00:00:40,559 那我首先會先從這兩種賽事 20 00:00:40,771 --> 00:00:42,237 有哪些基本的差異 21 00:00:42,526 --> 00:00:45,728 第二個就是這位車手的生平背景介紹 22 00:00:45,998 --> 00:00:48,891 第三段是這位車手的採訪內容 23 00:00:49,026 --> 00:00:52,092 第四就是我看完這部採訪影片的 24 00:00:52,208 --> 00:00:53,346 心得還有感想 25 00:00:56,142 --> 00:00:57,184 那我們就先從 26 00:00:57,357 --> 00:00:58,765 WSBK開始說起 27 00:00:58,997 --> 00:00:59,691 他的全名 28 00:00:59,826 --> 00:01:01,311 Superbike World Championship 29 00:01:01,716 --> 00:01:03,510 世界超級摩托車錦標賽 30 00:01:03,702 --> 00:01:04,725 最主要的 31 00:01:04,763 --> 00:01:06,595 跟motogp的差異就是 32 00:01:06,846 --> 00:01:08,428 他的賽車必須是由 33 00:01:08,717 --> 00:01:09,797 市售量販車 34 00:01:10,048 --> 00:01:10,742 改裝而來 35 00:01:10,973 --> 00:01:12,459 他的研發費用 36 00:01:12,748 --> 00:01:13,982 天花板也被定的比較低 37 00:01:14,175 --> 00:01:16,200 在25萬到30萬美元之間 38 00:01:16,605 --> 00:01:18,322 他的車輛ECU是可以 39 00:01:18,322 --> 00:01:19,614 自行選擇 40 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,394 引擎的形式也比較多種多樣 41 00:01:23,722 --> 00:01:27,540 你可以從雙缸850-1200cc 42 00:01:27,695 --> 00:01:31,571 或是三缸和四缸750-1000cc 43 00:01:32,304 --> 00:01:34,349 輪胎統規使用Pirelli 44 00:01:34,619 --> 00:01:35,892 那MotoGP呢 45 00:01:36,065 --> 00:01:39,305 全名 Moto Grand Prix 46 00:01:40,597 --> 00:01:43,780 講這種原本是法文的單詞 47 00:01:44,320 --> 00:01:45,419 你需要把那個R 48 00:01:45,747 --> 00:01:46,904 發的很喉音 49 00:01:49,855 --> 00:01:51,841 不信你去問你會法文朋友 50 00:01:52,073 --> 00:01:53,770 法文的R是不是這樣發音 51 00:01:58,399 --> 00:02:00,289 中文是世界摩托車錦標賽 52 00:02:00,443 --> 00:02:02,835 誇張一點說呢Moto GP的廠車 53 00:02:03,066 --> 00:02:05,168 他只要符合賽會技術規範要求 54 00:02:05,361 --> 00:02:06,730 你可以從零開始打造 55 00:02:07,540 --> 00:02:09,932 你可以自己實驗十幾種車架都沒有問題 56 00:02:10,260 --> 00:02:11,629 他基本上是原型車 57 00:02:11,861 --> 00:02:13,114 你有什麼新想法新點子 58 00:02:13,172 --> 00:02:14,541 只要符合賽會規範要求 59 00:02:14,599 --> 00:02:16,528 你都可以把它加在新廠車上 60 00:02:16,644 --> 00:02:19,035 那這些被驗證可行可靠 61 00:02:19,382 --> 00:02:21,697 可運作的方案假如適合的話 62 00:02:21,909 --> 00:02:23,567 那廠家也會把這些新技術 63 00:02:23,664 --> 00:02:26,017 下放到他的市售車上 64 00:02:26,190 --> 00:02:28,524 他的引擎規範就比較統一 65 00:02:28,659 --> 00:02:31,648 只能使用四行程四汽缸1000cc的引擎 66 00:02:31,899 --> 00:02:33,847 他的ECU目前是統規的 67 00:02:34,001 --> 00:02:36,007 然後輪胎統一使用米其林 68 00:02:36,316 --> 00:02:37,878 那他的研發費用也會比較高 69 00:02:37,878 --> 00:02:39,189 根據我所查到資料 70 00:02:39,614 --> 00:02:40,829 都是上百萬美元之譜 71 00:02:41,022 --> 00:02:43,317 約莫坐落在100萬到300萬美元之間 72 00:02:46,171 --> 00:02:48,312 那我今天找到了這位車手 73 00:02:48,408 --> 00:02:49,450 名叫Ben Spies 74 00:02:49,681 --> 00:02:52,555 他是1984年7月11號 75 00:02:52,555 --> 00:02:54,541 生於田納西州的曼菲斯 76 00:02:54,946 --> 00:02:57,242 在有著The Lone Star State之稱的 77 00:02:57,242 --> 00:02:58,669 德州 Longvies長大 78 00:02:59,112 --> 00:03:00,520 5歲起就開始騎車 79 00:03:00,790 --> 00:03:03,625 8歲開始參加CMRA賽事 80 00:03:04,146 --> 00:03:07,193 14歲開始比600cc賽事 81 00:03:08,138 --> 00:03:10,723 2000年的時年15歲的他 82 00:03:11,089 --> 00:03:12,516 和Suzuki簽約 83 00:03:13,056 --> 00:03:15,660 開始了他在American Moto Association 84 00:03:15,679 --> 00:03:17,647 也就是AMA賽事的生涯 85 00:03:17,878 --> 00:03:20,810 2006他開始嶄露鋒芒 86 00:03:20,964 --> 00:03:23,085 連續三年 06 07 08 87 00:03:23,336 --> 00:03:25,535 贏得了AMA Superbike組別 88 00:03:25,920 --> 00:03:26,750 年度冠軍 89 00:03:27,251 --> 00:03:29,238 他也在2009年拿下 90 00:03:29,334 --> 00:03:30,646 WSBK冠軍 91 00:03:31,051 --> 00:03:33,056 隨後在2009年10月 92 00:03:33,596 --> 00:03:34,908 YAMAHA官方宣布 93 00:03:35,139 --> 00:03:37,666 Ben Spies將以外卡選手的身份 94 00:03:37,955 --> 00:03:40,617 為當時的衛星車隊Tech3出戰 95 00:03:40,713 --> 00:03:43,548 2010年以賽季第六名的成績 96 00:03:43,548 --> 00:03:44,840 完成他的菜鳥年 97 00:03:44,956 --> 00:03:47,213 並獲得了年度最佳新秀的榮譽 98 00:03:47,483 --> 00:03:50,221 2011隨著Valentino Rossi 99 00:03:50,646 --> 00:03:52,401 離開山葉投奔杜卡迪 100 00:03:52,671 --> 00:03:54,422 山葉也將Ben遞補進 101 00:03:54,422 --> 00:03:55,429 YAMAHA廠隊 102 00:03:55,718 --> 00:03:57,184 Ben似乎一直不大能適應 103 00:03:57,319 --> 00:03:58,572 Motor GP的賽車 104 00:03:58,784 --> 00:04:01,581 2012年在馬來西亞賽事中發生車禍 105 00:04:01,735 --> 00:04:03,683 導致他的右肩韌帶撕裂 106 00:04:04,204 --> 00:04:05,650 並且在該年的賽季尾聲 107 00:04:05,689 --> 00:04:07,637 宣布將離開山葉廠隊 108 00:04:07,946 --> 00:04:10,356 以便讓位給即將回歸的猴王 109 00:04:10,781 --> 00:04:12,709 隨後加入了杜卡迪的衛星車隊 110 00:04:12,709 --> 00:04:14,850 繼續他的Moto GP生涯 111 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:16,740 那在2013年呢 112 00:04:17,126 --> 00:04:19,845 跑完了兩場賽事後便因傷缺席了一陣 113 00:04:20,192 --> 00:04:22,815 他在Indianapolis試圖重回賽場 114 00:04:22,989 --> 00:04:24,127 但卻發生車禍 115 00:04:24,358 --> 00:04:27,097 導致多處嚴重程度不一的傷勢 116 00:04:27,386 --> 00:04:30,568 導致他缺席該賽季接下來大部份比賽 117 00:04:30,838 --> 00:04:32,941 並且在當年10月26號 118 00:04:33,192 --> 00:04:34,484 日本大獎賽週末 119 00:04:34,561 --> 00:04:36,567 因為傷勢宣布了他的退役 120 00:04:41,410 --> 00:04:43,406 但我騎在GP賽車上時 121 00:04:43,406 --> 00:04:45,051 從未有人車一體的感受 122 00:04:45,123 --> 00:04:50,042 你覺得最主要的差異是甚麼呢? 123 00:04:51,492 --> 00:04:56,286 GP賽車的剛性遠比... 124 00:04:56,498 --> 00:04:57,814 還有回饋感更少 125 00:04:58,025 --> 00:05:03,642 對 回饋感少了很多 126 00:05:04,065 --> 00:05:09,565 MotoGP的輪胎比SuperBike剛性強很多 127 00:05:11,398 --> 00:05:13,936 車輛騎乘起來完全不一樣 128 00:05:14,077 --> 00:05:17,837 SuperBike騎起來回饋感明顯很多 129 00:05:18,307 --> 00:05:20,352 你可以更好的轉動他 130 00:05:20,352 --> 00:05:23,219 可以在彎中調整車輛指向 131 00:05:23,713 --> 00:05:25,945 因為輪胎抓地力沒有那麼好 132 00:05:25,945 --> 00:05:28,390 但是胎型有比較順滑的弧度 133 00:05:28,742 --> 00:05:32,902 但GP廠車完全是另外一回事 134 00:05:35,534 --> 00:05:38,378 如果在彎中想讓前輪增加更多抓地力 135 00:05:38,378 --> 00:05:41,081 騎Superbike時可以 136 00:05:41,175 --> 00:05:44,935 輕催油門然後收油 137 00:05:45,052 --> 00:05:47,191 讓重心轉移到前輪上 前叉壓縮 138 00:05:47,262 --> 00:05:48,883 收緊彎線 然後出彎 139 00:05:48,930 --> 00:05:50,129 但在GP廠車上 140 00:05:50,223 --> 00:05:52,620 在彎中輕催油門然後回油 141 00:05:52,643 --> 00:05:53,960 會打亂車輛動態平衡 142 00:05:54,030 --> 00:05:55,981 或是車子根本不理你 143 00:05:58,190 --> 00:06:01,880 催那一點油只會讓後輪動力滑胎 144 00:06:02,021 --> 00:06:05,734 車身幾乎不會前後俯仰 145 00:06:05,781 --> 00:06:07,356 因為那懸吊真的超硬 146 00:06:07,802 --> 00:06:10,951 我感覺煞車 或是催油的時候 147 00:06:10,951 --> 00:06:13,302 GP廠車只有Superbike一半的重心轉移量 148 00:06:13,936 --> 00:06:16,944 懸吊真的是關乎一切 149 00:06:16,991 --> 00:06:18,096 當我在騎車的時候 150 00:06:18,284 --> 00:06:21,269 第一件事情就是把前後懸吊平衡搞定 151 00:06:21,504 --> 00:06:26,580 確保不會重心轉移過度或是不足 152 00:06:30,669 --> 00:06:33,677 這就像是一輛越野車 153 00:06:33,819 --> 00:06:36,075 只改了滑胎車的框胎 154 00:06:36,545 --> 00:06:39,929 跟一台設定好的滑胎車 155 00:06:39,929 --> 00:06:42,068 他們兩者的重心轉移量差異 156 00:06:42,397 --> 00:06:45,734 約略等於 MotoGp跟WSBK 157 00:06:45,969 --> 00:06:49,471 當你車輛傾倒越大角度時 158 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,996 避震器會停止壓縮 159 00:06:53,537 --> 00:06:56,122 遇到坑洞會將輪胎抬離地面 160 00:06:56,169 --> 00:06:58,378 那時候就遇到路面坑洞 161 00:06:58,378 --> 00:07:00,846 輪胎就會被抬離地面 162 00:07:00,869 --> 00:07:03,830 這時候剛性跟彈性就很重要 163 00:07:03,971 --> 00:07:07,379 如果有彈性車子傾倒時 164 00:07:07,661 --> 00:07:10,481 輪胎貼地性就可以更好 165 00:07:15,300 --> 00:07:17,533 這聽起來很瘋狂 166 00:07:17,533 --> 00:07:19,623 因為車架是金屬製的 167 00:07:22,749 --> 00:07:24,653 簡單來說 168 00:07:24,653 --> 00:07:26,039 當車子傾倒到一定程度時 169 00:07:26,580 --> 00:07:27,779 避震器就不會再被壓縮 170 00:07:28,131 --> 00:07:30,693 車架就會變成你的避震器 171 00:07:30,904 --> 00:07:34,178 前叉的作動 172 00:07:34,178 --> 00:07:36,733 還有車架的彈性 173 00:07:37,673 --> 00:07:39,953 我有兩個很好的案例 174 00:07:40,235 --> 00:07:43,172 在WSBK Imola賽道比賽時 175 00:07:43,313 --> 00:07:45,992 我在09賽季的時候在那比賽過 176 00:07:46,321 --> 00:07:49,118 在該場比賽我不是去拚第一的 177 00:07:49,189 --> 00:07:50,881 只能拚第三或第四 178 00:07:51,492 --> 00:07:53,067 不管我怎麼做 179 00:07:53,067 --> 00:07:54,900 車子騎起來都不太對勁 180 00:07:55,205 --> 00:07:57,367 當時的Ducati是編織車架 181 00:07:58,143 --> 00:07:59,694 他們車架超有彈性 182 00:08:00,094 --> 00:08:02,655 他們在彎道中可以輕鬆拋下我 183 00:08:03,078 --> 00:08:04,653 我跟他們差距真的很大 184 00:08:05,264 --> 00:08:07,357 我在AMA時期 185 00:08:07,357 --> 00:08:08,930 有條賽道叫Brainerd 186 00:08:09,259 --> 00:08:11,327 第一個彎速超快 187 00:08:11,421 --> 00:08:16,216 在大直線可以用拉到六檔 188 00:08:16,686 --> 00:08:18,824 進彎不剎車 退一檔 189 00:08:19,318 --> 00:08:21,927 幾乎油門全開 很瘋狂 190 00:08:22,138 --> 00:08:24,958 路面外側比較高 刺激到想挫賽 191 00:08:26,110 --> 00:08:27,661 我永遠記得 192 00:08:27,708 --> 00:08:29,753 Kazinski騎著Ducati過那個彎 193 00:08:30,411 --> 00:08:34,195 Ducati在那個彎道優勢很大 194 00:08:34,218 --> 00:08:35,816 因為他們車架很有彈性 195 00:08:36,568 --> 00:08:39,036 一個好的車手 技師 196 00:08:39,083 --> 00:08:40,540 可以坐在直線盡頭的pit wall 197 00:08:43,078 --> 00:08:45,005 看Chandler通過那個彎 198 00:08:45,005 --> 00:08:46,251 然後是Ducati的Kazinski 199 00:08:46,486 --> 00:08:48,225 你可以目視出兩者的差異 200 00:08:48,225 --> 00:08:50,599 如同日與夜般 截然不同 201 00:08:50,599 --> 00:08:52,927 剛性跟彈性有個很微妙的平衡點 202 00:08:52,927 --> 00:08:54,712 要有彈性 但又不能過多 203 00:08:54,923 --> 00:08:57,532 Ben Spies在剛剛的採訪當中 204 00:08:57,696 --> 00:08:58,895 不斷強調他覺得 205 00:08:59,130 --> 00:09:01,692 GP賽車的車架跟懸吊都更硬 206 00:09:01,692 --> 00:09:02,326 stiffer 207 00:09:02,538 --> 00:09:03,760 他舉的例子是 208 00:09:03,924 --> 00:09:06,416 這種重心轉移量的感覺就像是 209 00:09:06,768 --> 00:09:08,554 你拿一台越野車你只改了 210 00:09:08,601 --> 00:09:09,659 滑胎(口誤)的框胎 211 00:09:09,847 --> 00:09:11,492 跟一台正港的滑胎車 212 00:09:11,492 --> 00:09:13,748 他們兩者在柏油路上 213 00:09:13,913 --> 00:09:16,404 重煞時候的重心轉移量的差異 214 00:09:16,639 --> 00:09:19,247 覺得MotoGP廠車的重心轉移量 215 00:09:19,247 --> 00:09:22,491 約莫只有WSBK賽車的一半而已 216 00:09:23,055 --> 00:09:25,099 他覺得前叉下沉量不同 217 00:09:25,828 --> 00:09:28,108 整體車架的回饋感也不同 218 00:09:28,390 --> 00:09:30,834 那他也提到這兩種賽事的輪胎 219 00:09:30,904 --> 00:09:33,325 胎體結構跟胎型差異都很大 220 00:09:33,773 --> 00:09:37,251 我為了確認在09年Imola賽道 221 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:38,660 Ducati是不是真的很強 222 00:09:38,801 --> 00:09:41,151 我還特別回去找14年前 223 00:09:41,151 --> 00:09:43,125 充滿濃濃歷史味的Highligt 224 00:09:44,277 --> 00:09:47,191 Ducati在Imola賽道的Race 1,2 225 00:09:47,544 --> 00:09:49,424 都分別拿下第一名 226 00:09:49,706 --> 00:09:52,361 Ben也誠如他在採訪影片中所說 227 00:09:52,690 --> 00:09:54,876 他真的就只拿下第四名 228 00:09:55,252 --> 00:09:56,968 他在Race 1拿下第四名 229 00:09:56,968 --> 00:09:58,566 Race 2拿下來第五名 230 00:10:07,308 --> 00:10:09,180 看來這個賽道還有Ducati的車 231 00:10:09,180 --> 00:10:10,674 真的讓他留下很深刻印象 232 00:10:11,483 --> 00:10:13,158 在這14年後採訪 233 00:10:13,513 --> 00:10:16,763 對於賽事的種種細節還是了然於心 234 00:10:17,146 --> 00:10:18,878 我覺得比較神奇的是他對於 235 00:10:19,091 --> 00:10:21,206 編織車架的評價真的很高 236 00:10:21,717 --> 00:10:23,506 他有提到Ducati當時的 237 00:10:23,633 --> 00:10:24,683 trellis chassis 238 00:10:25,138 --> 00:10:26,273 也就是編織車架 239 00:10:26,373 --> 00:10:27,054 很有彈性 240 00:10:27,224 --> 00:10:29,254 在彎中的可以把 241 00:10:29,283 --> 00:10:30,347 Ben遠遠拋開來 242 00:10:30,546 --> 00:10:32,008 因為鋼管編織車架 243 00:10:32,065 --> 00:10:34,577 他的彈性會比鋁合金方管車架好 244 00:10:34,890 --> 00:10:37,331 但近20年在MotoGP賽場上 245 00:10:37,416 --> 00:10:38,666 也只有Casey Stoner 246 00:10:38,666 --> 00:10:39,886 在2007年 247 00:10:40,028 --> 00:10:42,100 騎著還是編織車架的Ducati 248 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:43,988 拿下了世界冠軍 249 00:10:44,045 --> 00:10:46,075 隨後Ducati在2009年 250 00:10:46,089 --> 00:10:48,332 放棄使用鋼管編織車架 251 00:10:48,516 --> 00:10:50,759 現在MotoGP賽場上 252 00:10:50,858 --> 00:10:52,604 持續使用編織車架的 253 00:10:52,675 --> 00:10:54,591 也只剩下KTM的廠隊 254 00:10:54,790 --> 00:10:57,558 那對於KTM持續使用編織車架 255 00:10:57,672 --> 00:10:58,765 頭很鐵的行為 256 00:10:59,006 --> 00:11:00,212 就連他的衛星車隊都 257 00:11:00,255 --> 00:11:02,100 放棄使用編織車架的時候 258 00:11:02,455 --> 00:11:04,017 還是繼續使用編織車架 259 00:11:04,556 --> 00:11:05,791 就讓我一點好奇 260 00:11:06,103 --> 00:11:08,573 於是我就去搜尋一下相關文章 261 00:11:08,658 --> 00:11:12,150 找到這一篇2019年5月份的採訪 262 00:11:12,292 --> 00:11:13,754 KTM的CEO表示 263 00:11:13,995 --> 00:11:15,841 編織車架是我們KTM 264 00:11:16,039 --> 00:11:17,757 神聖不可分割的一部分 265 00:11:17,870 --> 00:11:19,616 放棄編織車架不是選項 266 00:11:20,397 --> 00:11:21,958 並且在這篇報導裡面 267 00:11:22,114 --> 00:11:24,400 還直接臭Ducati的車他說 268 00:11:30,092 --> 00:11:31,454 這句話就是想說 269 00:11:31,582 --> 00:11:33,280 他覺得Ducati的賽車 270 00:11:33,314 --> 00:11:34,918 跟他們的市售車 271 00:11:35,046 --> 00:11:37,090 根本沒有什麼血緣關係 272 00:11:37,260 --> 00:11:40,326 那他有提到他希望KTM的賽車 273 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,668 跟他們的市售車能有所連結 274 00:11:49,552 --> 00:11:51,028 他希望有點連結 275 00:11:51,298 --> 00:11:52,448 我想這個連結的扭帶 276 00:11:52,462 --> 00:11:54,194 他就希望是編織車架 277 00:11:54,350 --> 00:11:55,074 他接著說到 278 00:12:09,226 --> 00:12:12,760 這一段就是重申他不會放棄鋼管車架 279 00:12:12,931 --> 00:12:15,514 他同時可以保有彈性又可以減輕重量 280 00:12:15,755 --> 00:12:17,657 這是他們稱霸許多不同 281 00:12:17,856 --> 00:12:20,936 摩托車賽事領域的秘訣之一 282 00:12:21,149 --> 00:12:23,562 並且他發下一個豪氣萬丈的宣言 283 00:12:39,939 --> 00:12:41,203 他這段話是說 284 00:12:41,203 --> 00:12:42,708 在Supercross賽事 285 00:12:42,827 --> 00:12:44,631 他們花了11年 286 00:12:44,631 --> 00:12:46,316 碰了11年的牆壁 287 00:12:46,466 --> 00:12:48,090 才獲得第一座冠軍 288 00:12:48,300 --> 00:12:49,594 但拿到冠軍後 289 00:12:49,594 --> 00:12:50,917 一連拿了五座 290 00:12:51,127 --> 00:12:52,481 在達卡拉力賽也是 291 00:12:52,872 --> 00:12:55,157 他們花了7年去測試 嘗試 292 00:12:55,308 --> 00:12:56,115 得到成功之後 293 00:12:56,115 --> 00:12:58,827 找到成功的秘訣方程式 294 00:12:58,977 --> 00:13:00,872 他們就一連拿了18座冠軍 295 00:13:01,263 --> 00:13:03,458 那他是說他們可能會需要花上 296 00:13:03,669 --> 00:13:04,902 可能10年的時間 297 00:13:04,932 --> 00:13:07,165 但遲早他覺得KTM 298 00:13:07,165 --> 00:13:09,293 是能稱霸MotoGP賽場 299 00:13:10,285 --> 00:13:12,842 對這位CEO豪氣萬丈的宣言 300 00:13:12,842 --> 00:13:13,893 你有什麼想法呢 301 00:13:13,893 --> 00:13:16,860 不管你對KTM這種頭很鐵的行為 302 00:13:16,860 --> 00:13:18,593 有什麼想說或是想聊 303 00:13:18,904 --> 00:13:19,950 都歡迎在下面留言 304 00:13:20,212 --> 00:13:22,174 那我們就下次影片見 ㄅ19455

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